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double standardsCheesy_toe/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 02:42 PM
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The ones up top realise that the more serious men's issues will require funding and not just virtue signalling about TM on social media. They see it as a zero sum game. We saw Women's Aid oppose funding for male victims of abuse not that long ago and now they're claiming female perpetrated abuse is reactionary to receiving abuse from their victim, they're not even saying in some cases. 'When women are the perpetrator there is substantial evidence to support the case that it is after being a vict…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 11:13 PM
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It is a strange outlier. There’s always a few feminists on that subreddit to either troll, debate or play devil’s advocate so I wonder if they’re the cause.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 03:47 PM
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Small correction, it’s not a percentage, they are 25x more likely to comment or post on trollx lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 03:42 PM
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If the subreddit overlap is anything to go by, the vast majority of users are either women or trans men. https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/menslib
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 02:59 PM
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Even in cases of childhood sexual abuse, there is often a double standard in which abuse involving older females having sex with boys is considered less traumatic (and often "more educational") than equivalent abuse of girls by older men. The whole reason that statutory rape was brought in was to take consent out of the equation in order to convict the perpetrators, whether or not the victim wanted it at the time. People and the law seem to forget this when it’s an older woman with a boy and ass…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 09:42 AM
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I don't think tories will help but I have no faith that anyone on the left will either. Labour had the chance to make rape legislation gender neutral back in 2003 but decided against it stating that female on male rape isn't equivalent to male on female rape.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 09:55 PM
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IMO it is due to how rigid male gender roles and societal ideas of masculinity are. Fear of male sexuality also plays a part as well. Besides gay men, men in general aren’t trusted around children that aren’t their own. I see these issues as misandry. This can even be compared to hatred against butch women. It’s always been seen as misogyny not misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 08:01 PM
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This is why they push the term toxic-masculinity whilst denying that misandry exists. With certain men's issues like suicide, this just means people will be focusing on solely telling men to open up rather than actually addressing the root causes and lack of male focused services in most countries. Telling men to open up is just virtue signalling, it requires little to no effort or funding since feminists employ a zero-sum approach. They've admitted to framing DV as a women's issue to secure fun…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 05:04 PM
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Henry Cavill? Incel? Thats a new one lol. I believe it's because he said he's wary of dating women after the metoo stuff. Can't say I blame him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 02:48 PM
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This is why they're so adamant to call it toxic masculinity. They want society to believe men's issues stem from misogyny and not misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/23 04:33 PM
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Gamma bias? Gamma bias operates within a matrix of four possible judgments about gender: doing good (celebration), doing harm (perpetration), receiving good (privilege) and receiving harm (victimhood). The theory predicts that within mainstream western cultures, masculinity is highlighted only in the domain of 'privilege' and 'perpetration' but hidden in the domains of 'celebration' and 'victimhood'. This means for example that the heroism performed mainly by men (e.g. firemen) will be gender ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 11:26 AM
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Because I was seeing this from the perspective of the future. I got that from what you wrote but it seems some people misunderstood. They call these men the "traditional masculine liberal man". Lol, they want to have their cake and eat it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/23 04:15 PM
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I interpreted that as OP pointing out feminist hypocrisy. Feminists should support men moving past their gender roles but instead they write articles complain about it. I could be wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/23 04:10 PM
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And also men aren't pressured to perform gender roles The problem is that people aren't against gender roles when applied to men, usually the opposite. I think they're trying to create meek men, but they still want those men to initiate romance and marriage, pay for dates, provide and protect, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/23 04:00 PM
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The media and people always try to explain why mothers do this in the best possible light. Here’s a post from the uk subreddit with similar comments. https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/yydrpf/young_mother_27_behind_on_bills_and_rent_took/ I don’t have the link but I remember a father who killed himself and his child in a similar way but he was seen as a narcissist who viewed his child as an extension of himself. When a mother does this it’s because she thinks nobody will look after h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/23 08:45 AM
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There's that classic advert regarding a guy and girl being drunk but it says if they sleep together then he's a rapist. The funniest is when they invent things to defend women. On relationshipadvice a guy was fed up of his wife feeling ill every time he booked a vacation, resulting in him cancelling it. One of the top comments was saying that there is some phenomenon where people feel sick when they know there is a holiday coming up, lol. They also will diagnose women with depression, autism and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/23 07:49 PM
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It's very intentional. When women feel that their only role in this world is to be a housewife, feminists have always labeled it internalised misogyny. You'd naturally assume that when men feel shunned by society for opening up that it would be internalised misandry or misandry, but nope, they want to call it toxic masculinity. The reason for this is that they believe men have control over their lives whereas women don't (hyperagency vs hypoagency). It has also been pointed out on this subreddit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 05:27 PM
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My main issue is how blurred the definition of incel has become since it's now synonymous with misogynist. To the point that some people view male virgins as misogynists and genuinely think that men who bring up their societal or legal issues are incels. Society has always insulted male virgins in some way; neckbeard, virgin living in mum's basement, incel, etc., it's not confusing to see why some men don't want to be in that category. The people over at r/foreveralone are not hateful and they v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 01:33 PM
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They just twist the stuff we're all able to read to fit what they want to believe. The funny part is how they fail to convince everyone else lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 12:41 AM
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Thank you. I don't consider criticism of feminism to be misogynistic so I was only curious about the 'how terrible women are' part. 7 - About a specific woman spewing misandry, nothing to do with how terrible women are. This would be like saying people who criticise a guy spewing misogyny are misandrists which doesn't make sense. 8 - Again about a specific woman and others like her who have ruined it for others. Unfortunately we live in a world where some people lie so we cannot blindly believe …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 12:35 AM
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half being about how terrible women are Which half of these posts specifically? Also please explain how these posts are claiming that women are terrible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 11:55 PM
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Similarly, not all these laws are written or recommended by men or men alone. Most of us know that women are legally incapable of committing rape in the UK. People say that these laws were written by conservative men. I'm no conservative but this is complete bullshit. Tony Blair was prime minister when sexual offences were last reviewed in 2003. The review involved a mix of men and women and was led by three women. Membership of the Sex Offences Review Betty Moxon OBE (Home Office) Chair Su McLe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/23 01:09 PM
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You know how women say doctors don't take their concerns seriously? I've had similar experiences at my GP so I feel like it's just a waste of time going in unless it's serious. I think it's a result of lazy, overworked or incompetent doctors. Each surgery has a catchment area in the UK and I fall under one so it's not like I can register elsewhere unless I move houses.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/23 12:24 PM
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Yeah, I hold egalitarian values but I hate how advocating for men is lumped with Tate, FreshnFit and mass shooters, under the manosphere umbrella.
/r/MenSupportMen12/07/23 09:24 PM
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I wanted to say the same thing. I know that not all people on the mensrights subreddit are tradcons but there’s quite a few of them that are and they ruin the sub for me. They talk about men losing half their shit in divorces, which is not wrong but then they tell men to marry traditional women and provide for them. Feminists aren’t great but tradcons aren’t any better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/23 06:16 PM
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Women's issues are never ending so I see it as cop out
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 02:31 AM
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It wasn't a false accusation by the victim but by social services. My girlfriend's sister had a piece of tissue shoved up her vagina by another girl at school. Doctors found out around 5 months later once they did a scan after recurring UTI's and constantly smelling bad. Social services got involved and investigated her father and brother because they suspected she was being sexually abused by one of them. Nothing happened beyond their investigation but I imagine that was scary for them. They ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/23 11:52 AM
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No problem :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 09:35 PM
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I believe this is intentional. Men's mental health and "toxic masculinity" are the only issues they acknowledge and say they want to help fix. They do not want to acknowledge, bring attention to or actually fix the root causes responsible for mental health. For example, when discussing that male rape victims aren't taken seriously, they'll say female victims aren't either. I agree that many victims do not recieve justice but that is besides the point. It ignores non-gender neutral legislations o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/23 01:27 PM
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consent that can be, ahem, withdrawn at any time. This is the main part that people forget when discussing it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/23 02:26 PM
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Can’t comment on Beau is Afraid since I know nothing about it other than the fact it’s directed by Ari Aster. Midsommar, one of the directors previous films, a male character was drugged, raped and then burnt alive. The first search result for it leads to a Reddit discussion where some acknowledge it is rape but the top comments still think it’s funny. Others believe he consented to sex by taking drugs. Some women describe the movie as a revenge fantasy. If it were reversed, people claiming it t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/23 10:57 AM
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I could have written it better in hindsight but I meant that as a separate example, I just couldn’t recall the name of the guy who directed Dark Fate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/23 12:13 AM
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I’m glad r/saltierthancrait exists. I feel like the Star Wars subreddit has people from Disney on the mod team. The same goes for most subreddits for any franchise or TV show which is frustrating. Elizabeth Banks, the director of Terminator DF and a few others have said that men who dislike their movies, hate women. It’s completely asinine. The content they are producing are just garbage.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/23 08:36 PM
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I agree. With stuff like being made to penetrate, it seems to be the only data we have. Sadly we have nothing similar in the UK as CSEW aren't interested in covering 'sexual activity without consent'.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 10:31 PM
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Thanks, I'll have a read through some of the links you posted there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/23 05:38 PM
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They give off a lot of confirmation bias vibes too. They've made up the worldview they want to believe so they manipulate data into fitting their narrative and pass it off as fact. Your spot on though, reminds of the that technical jargon video on YouTube. It's a technique that works on a lot of people. You can even make a long wall of text on Reddit and use clever sounding words, people assume you know what you're talking about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/23 03:06 PM
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Checked their forum expecting a huge number of members given how often they're discussed. A mere 20k registered users which, assuming those members are all male, are 0.0005% of the male population.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/23 02:44 PM
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It really sucks but they've been doing this for a while. It is a zero-sum game to them so they do not care. Here's an article regarding how domestic violence organisations have hidden male victims of domestic abuse to acquire funding for their organisations: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/72839546.pdf The article is from 2011 but this goes back a further few decades as they mention in the article. They talk about how DV groups and feminists have employed a "strategy of containment": The strateg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/23 02:23 PM
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It’s really frustrating how prevalent the myth about men not seeking help is. Clearly there is something wrong since 80% of their assessments were incorrect. Also, great point by Dr Barry. Therapy isn’t always going to magically make your problems go away. The root of the issue needs to be discussed and addressed. People are willing to acknowledge that male mental health is a problem but are hesitant or deny the issues that cause them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/23 05:56 PM
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I think I agree with TisIChenoir about why. In some places you're more likely to lose your house and custody to your children if you leave the family home.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/23 12:42 PM
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There’s got to some reason behind it. I know women only organisations have had their funding pulled by some local authorities. Unless I’m mistaken, this doesn’t mean that each local authority has to fund gender neutral organisations but it that it should be based on need in their area. I wonder if categorising men as victims of “violence against women and girls” is related to fudging statistics so that women only organisations continue receiving funding. Could explain why there still seems to be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/23 03:59 PM
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I’ve been saying this for a while as well. Internalised misandry should be the equivalent term to use. However, it seems that toxic masculinity conveniently allows them to not acknowledge the existence of misandry. If you believe in the patriarchy theory then misandry cannot exist since men hold power. Things often change when it begins affecting women. You can see it in your example with Rose McGowan. MeToo was all fine and dandy until it begins affecting themselves and now suddenly we shouldn’…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/23 05:06 PM
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Have no intention of seeing it but heard about it from others. 40 Days and 40 nights. Male character is tied to a bed and gets raped by a woman. He is then expected to apologise to his girlfriend because she considered it to be cheating. Director did an ama on Reddit where someone mentioned it but he just deflected by making fun of the persons username.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 07:52 PM
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I really disliked how Merope was given a sympathetic angle in the book and Riddle Sr was written as a wealthy asshole. I somehow doubt Rowling believes women are capable of committing rape, so in hindsight it makes sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 07:41 PM
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It’s refreshing to see a report that doesn’t victim blame for once
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/23 05:58 PM
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Toxic masculinity is often used to victim blame. For example, the wildly held belief that toxic masculinity is responsible for male suicide due to bottling up emotions. There are studies which show that the vast majority of suicidal men did seek help but either didn’t get it or didn’t find it useful. If we simply say it’s due to toxic masculinity, nothing will get solved. Men bottle up their emotions because of how others react to it. It’s something that they usually learn from a young age. I he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/23 07:01 PM
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It’s ruined a lot of TV/Movie discussion subreddits for me. If you’ve ever seen an analysis by The Take on YouTube you’ll know what I mean.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/23 12:39 AM
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Excellent post, I’ve not thought of it that way before. They employ a lot of tactics that abusers themselves use like gaslighting and manipulation. The reality they’ve painted is often easy to expose because it’s based on lies and omissions. The bad thing is that most men are oblivious to it or don’t question it. Similar to how some religions work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 03:51 PM
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I find the whole “women did it themselves” idea silly. They have had government funding as well as media campaigns to help them. How did they get those funds? Domestic violence groups have historically framed DV as a women’s issue. They still do it in the UK by associating male victims of DV with “violence against women and girls”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 03:41 PM
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Men are raised to not hit women so they’ll be hesitant even if it’s self defence and know that they are more likely to get in trouble with the law. So I’d argue that there is a power imbalance. Feminists only see the world in black and white, men (the patriarchy) are the oppressors and women are the victims. Talking about Love Island and domestic abuse, the subreddit still pays tribute to Caroline Flack on the death of her anniversary. For those who don’t know, she was receiving flack in the med…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 04:06 PM
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The good ones ones only seem to pop up when their ideology is called out, otherwise they seem to stay pretty silent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 07:10 PM
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It's sad that they go there to push their ideas on men seeking help than to actually offer any help. Thank you for creating that subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 03:52 PM
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I wanted to become one whilst studying at uni but changed my mind. The salary is around £30k which may sound good at first but you will be working outside your paid hours, marking work, preparing lessons, etc. so you're really working between 10-12 hours a day and possibly on weekends as well. So for me, the salary wasn't enough. Plus I noticed that my male secondary school teachers had cameras in their rooms, which I later assumed was to protect themselves from accusations. I'd rather not put m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 03:44 PM
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I try my best in not engaging with them, although I find it difficult when they’re being intentionally dishonest. On Reddit they usually will stop replying when you prove them wrong after providing sources, at least in my experience. Thankfully, they aren’t common in my circle irl.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/23 08:29 PM
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When men receive sexism, it’s their “toxic masculine gender role” that oppresses them - in other words, they oppress themselves. But when women receive sexism, they are just simply victims to misogyny. This goes back to what you wrote earlier; the belief that any discrimination men face is actually a result of misogyny. If they began using terms like misandry or internalised-misandry then they cannot claim the men’s issues root from misogyny. They seem adamant on denying misandry exists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/23 03:39 PM
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It’s not but a lot of people genuinely believe it isn’t as bad, some will go as far to say he actually enjoyed it. It also helps obfuscate actual statistics. Domestic violence groups did a similar thing with perpetrators of domestic abuse to obtain government funding for their organisations. Women’s Aid recently petitioned to maintain government funding of women only organisations but it failed to gain traction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 12:52 PM
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Thanks. It's a big reason I'm grateful that this community exists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 08:22 PM
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One of the women I spoke to, Cailey, had been repeatedly raped by an older woman for years, starting before she turned 16. She spoke to a close friend of hers who worked in the police force, and who advised her against reporting her rape. She told Cailey: “This is a minefield. If it was a man we might be able to get somewhere but prosecution is unlikely because it’s a woman – you’re talking about 1% prosecution rates or something.” This is seriously appalling
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 08:19 PM
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Yes, it is due to both sides that we're in this mess. Conservatives don't take female perpetrators seriously and feminists like to pretend female perpetrators are extremely uncommon so they're irrelevant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 05:41 PM
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Also, we should remember that there are also female victims of women who are not counted as rape under the law. You are absolutely right. I had planned to include this fact but forgot to do so once I began typing everything up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 05:34 PM
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I’m still reading through but great job on this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 04:38 PM
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I see that UK rape legislations have been discussed on this subreddit before, I just wanted to make a post that goes more in depth and covers everything that I could think of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 02:49 PM
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For clarity, things have flipped around since I last viewed the post. The mods have deleted some comment chains and the currently fifth top comment describes height shaming men as sexism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 04:58 PM
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I literally just saw a related post on askuk about a teenage boy who was suspended from school after a girl bullied him for his height and he retaliated with a 'why aren't you in the kitchen?' joke. The school and most of the commenters are pretending that height shaming is not a thing that short men face. Anyway, I completely agree with your post. There's some sort of mental gymnastics going on when people try to justify their use of terms like "short man syndrome", "Napoleon complex", "SDE", e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 02:09 PM
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I would say I'm only left wing based it's on paper values but mainstream left is another story so I don't fit in. That doesn't mean I'm now a right winger. I often see tradcons over on mensrights advocating for traditional gender roles, not men. I get that it's a neutral sub but it makes me glad that this sub exists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 01:39 PM
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I expect they are going to make terms like extended suicide a legal thing in some countries. The most recent one I saw from the BBC, they wrote that a “woman and her three-year-old daughter were killed by a train”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/23 08:44 PM
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The levels some people go with hyper/hypoagency is insane. There was a post about a man who committed murder-suicide with his children. People are completely adamant that he wasn't mentally ill and is just a piece of shit. He killed his kids because he's a narcissist who just sees his kids as an extension of himself and not human beings. On the same subreddit, there's an article post about a woman who did the same and the reaction is the complete opposite. She must have had some sort of mental i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/23 03:01 PM
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"well if men don't like restrictive gender roles, they shouldn't have made the patriarchy." The annoying part is that feminists seem to only tackle select parts of traditional male gender roles that they don't like and label it toxic masculinity. They are completely silent about the parts of male gender roles that works in their favour and ignore that society, including women, had a role in creating/maintaining them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/23 02:47 PM
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The CDC stats for “made to penetrate” is what initially made me question the statistics in the UK. What’s crazy is that women’s rights groups fought against gender neutral rape laws in India and I think Israel as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/23 12:01 AM
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Yes. Where I live women cannot be guilty of rape other than in exceptionally rare circumstances. From what I can tell, this only happens when they played a significant role in planning and aiding a man to commit rape. Naturally, this means that 99% of rapists are men according to The Office for National Statistics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/23 05:40 PM
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Think Before You Sleep is a tradcon anyway
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/23 04:00 AM
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I did my bachelor's degree in chemistry and in my final year I had to do an additional unrelated module of my choice. None of them interested me so I chose health and wellbeing at random. It was taught by psychology lecturers who based a lot of their ideas from feminist theories. Most of my class thought it was a load of bull to be fair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/23 05:32 PM
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