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only women face gender-based discrimination That's not the narrative I hear when feminism comes up. I don't see conspiratorial suppression. I see a lot of people in this thread on some whataboutism shit connoting resentment toward the progress of feminism, talking trash rather than fighting their own fight. driven by representation bias Someone told me to go read the Karen Straughan copypasta. Whole thing struck me as decontextualized examples to suit a narrative. lighter sentences for the same …
/r/MensRights02/12/21 05:01 PM
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Suppressing what? From where I'm standing, it sure looks like suppression of misleading 'facts' driven by representation bias, promoting the exception to imply a norm. Also looks like men are a protected class when their transgressions are overlooked. Brett Kavanaugh comes to mind.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 03:35 AM
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Seems like Hoff Sommers is the primary proponent of that idea. That's not a voice I trust. What's the primary source on this? The stereotype threat against male students on English courses? I'm worried about English because the effects aren't compounding. Falling behind in math means president struggles thereafter. A bad grade in an English course can be negated by the next one more readily. I'm also more worried about the factors that limit women from going into stem positions. These careers ha…
/r/MensRights30/11/21 03:29 AM
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The narrative that elevating women causes men harm doesn't make sense to me. Yes, there are places where bias results in systematic injustices toward men, but I don't see those as a byproduct of recent feminist efforts. I see them as a product of the same systemic gendered stereotypes from a bygone era, that men cannot be abused, or raped, or be child-caregivers. The same burden of proof in legal cases should be applied regardless of gender. My understanding of feminist efforts is to bring gende…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 11:18 PM
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Post-secondary education is not the reality for the majority of the population. Fine art auctions might have a pretty nasty racial bias, but I'm more worried about the thing that impacts all people - equal opportunity and achievement in primary education. Grad degrees are particular red herring because it reflects the lack of opportunities for women in the workforce. I don't think you would see achievement gaps in favor of women for higher education if there were equal opportunities without. All…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 11:10 PM
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I don't think it's the role of an outsider to be prescriptivist about how progress should be made in Saudi Arabia. My desired outcome there would be for women to manifest their own societal reforms. My lack of connection to the culture leaves me drastically under-informed to make meaningful progress from status quo to egalitarianism. I donate to empower women there to make progress, but I don't have much to say. My own culture/society, however, I am more informed about. I can generate nuanced su…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:48 PM
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I'm not looking to 'whatabout' any other group, I'm saying that this critique of feminism is a byproduct of a social media era and is applicable to just about any discussion. You'd be missing the value of any stance by taking talking heads as representative and overlooking those who do something worthwhile by labeling them as hypocrites. Sure, virtue signaling is a problem; feminism as a whole is not.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 07:39 PM
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they wanna get rid of literally doesn't exist here So no claims are true? None? Surely, it can't be the case that there's no systematic issues that women face. I think that if you're looking at the status quo and seeing no problems, you're either accepting of current asymmetries or not listening to any reasonable first-hand accounts. Is there any woman in your life who works in a male-dominated field? Ignoring the virtual signaling keyboard warriors, have you ever talked to someone who tried to …
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:15 PM
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That's a myth, blue collar jobs just have less flexible working conditions. It has been proven that women value schedule flexibility more then men Do they value it more, or are they placed in a position that dictates their value system? Chicken/egg - The expectations placed on women take a greater role in child rearing gives rise to this priority structure. I think all workers would benefit if blue collar work permitted more flexibility, not just women. higher education usually leads to higher f…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:06 PM
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Why are post secondary degrees the measure of success of the whole system? ~13% of the US population well get a grad degree. I'm much more interested in the success of basic education. It's also no surprise to me that women would go on to pursue more higher education when the blue collar fields that don't require college degrees are less welcoming to women.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 01:49 PM
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That feels like a critique that could be leveraged against just about any modern social media community. Men's rights YouTubers included. The shit that gets views is more controversial to get the opposition hate clicks. The notion of virtue signaling fits well as a critique on more extreme options expressed when preaching to the choir. I read this thread and I see a lot of baby thrown out with the bathwater on moderate egalitarian feminism.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 07:04 AM
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Girls aren't doing fine in school now. Math achievement gaps will tell you that. Stereotype threat is still an issue
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:31 AM
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Propped up by whom? Anti-feminist talking heads who use them as counter examples is where I saw a lot of propping. I saw much more reasonable opinions when I left that world. The critiques in this whole thread don't really seem targeted at a PR problem. If that was the case, I'd expect to see much more support for moderate feminist talking points.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:30 AM
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In the circles I run in, the part you identify as implied is neither implied nor the intent. It is, however, often part of what is heard by people unaccustomed to pushback. Here's how I would rephrase the claim: men are trained differently than women by participating in a culture that values their opinion to a greater degree. This results in more condescending explanations, on average, coming from men than women. Of course anyone is capable regardless of gender, but my cultural training as a man…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:27 AM
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That doesn't seem like a good faith conversationalist from your summary. But, I could also read your summary as reductionist, missing nuance that I would've read from the same transcript. The term 'mansplaining' doesn't feel great as a colloquial term for condescending explanation. Anyone is capable of that, regardless of gender. I think an explanation coming from a source that the listener does not expect to be authoritative feels condescending. There are men who feel condescended to because th…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:20 AM
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I'm looking for specifics. The messaging is that women aught to be looked after. I don't think the nature of this care a) fully lives/lived up to the messaging or b) was desirous I'm all cases. A caged animal is cared for, but it would prefer to be outside. If it's dangerous outside, it's within our collective power to change those circumstances rather than accept them as a given
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:14 AM
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I guess seeing these as just laws really require an understanding of the world that understands women as having faced systemic issues worth redressing legally to promote a more equitable world. Having been underserved my the education system or having been the victims of discrimination in the workplace. VAWA had gender neutral language, even if that wasn't the nature of enforcement. When it comes to healthcare, isn't it the case that different biologies will result in different care needs? I don…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:12 AM
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It sounds to me like you're only listening to very extreme cases. That was my only representation of feminism when my primary understanding was though YouTubers who highlighted idiots to make their case against feminism writ large. Once I widened my scope to the folks that they did not cover, I found much more reasonable cases, and folks I didn't think we're hypocrites or virtue signalers
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:38 AM
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Men oppressed women to stay at home in an immoral practice. Immortality is not superior.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:34 AM
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Men built there world and then permitted women to take positions in it? First, the notion that men built is is contingent upon womens' role having historically not allowed such contributions. Even when women contributed (e.g. DNA Discovery, GPS tech), men took credit. Second, your wording implies their ownership is under their control, and that one class grants rights to another. No one grants control. People take it though natural means regardless of group identity, just like one generation to …
/r/MensRights28/11/21 10:57 PM
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How did they do better out of the deal?
/r/MensRights28/11/21 10:48 PM
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"Personal responsibility" is an internal attribution of control, that someone could change circumstances by doing more. Describing a "broader societal issue" is an external attribution of control. It can be both things. Are women 10% of the manual labor force because that's what they chose, or because they were taught not to be from an early age? It can be both things. I don't think equality is raw numbers. That's a rough imprecise metric. Equality is equality of choice and opportunity. The fawn…
/r/MensRights28/11/21 10:47 PM
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I don't think it's a zero sum game, both efforts can be made. "It's worse there" also feels like whataboutism, not actually engaging with the critique at hand
/r/MensRights28/11/21 10:30 PM
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Could you provide an example of the latter? Do you mean at the federal level?
/r/MensRights28/11/21 10:27 PM
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I'm interested in a concrete example
/r/MensRights28/11/21 10:25 PM
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I think the reach for CEO positions among women reflects a change in culture that cracked open the doors to white collar work for women. I don't think we've had that shift among blue collar work, the kind of work that makes tables and beer. Best case scenario, the original video was taken out of context, like someone who exclusively dates women joking about her lack of attraction to men. Yeah, ignoring her would have sufficed. The outsized response, and the attribution of material goods exclusiv…
/r/PussyPassDenied14/03/21 12:39 AM
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Some of these videos/comments treat the gender divide like it's a result of women being unwilling to do some things. We can look further up the chain at what shapes women's expectations of themselves. That's a culture of expectations placed on girls, shying them away from those jobs. That's also often workplace cultures that aren't super welcoming even if the desire to go in survives all the childhood subtle messaging. Lack of women in the field makes it harder for women to get in the field, chi…
/r/PussyPassDenied13/03/21 10:16 PM
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I'm defining certain role models as subpar, including those that define masculinity via aggression and criminality. Gang members are not good male role models. Money/Fame obsessed celebrities are not good role models. Many alt-right pundits are not good role models. "Men are defective girls" is a bad narrative that I disagree with.
/r/MensRights10/03/18 05:08 PM
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This is a gross oversimplification of larger issues. It's not as though these boys need more or less masculinity in their lives. It's that they may be getting it from other subpar sources. Society, at present, communicates the idea that children should grow up to be more like the adults of their own gender than the adults of the opposite gender. You could say this is a good thing, or that it's bad. Either way, a male child in a single mother household is going to look to other role models for no…
/r/MensRights10/03/18 08:46 AM
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I'm not saying her work was of the most major consequence, but neither was it of no consequence. The State Children’s Health Insurance Program isn't nothing. Same deal with the caregiver tax credit program, or that 05 bill about flu vaccines. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/mar/28/fact-sheet-clinton-obama-bills/
/r/PussyPassDenied09/11/16 09:17 AM
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I disagree. I think the healthcare bills matter. I think knowing how to get things done matters quite a bit in a time of partisanship and gridlock.
/r/PussyPassDenied09/11/16 08:59 AM
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She worked on quite a few healthcare bills as a senator. She negotiated that ceasefire and made women's rights an issue on the international stage as sec of state. I won't say she's great, but she knows how to work DC, enough to get her name on the ticket. Even if someone said her work didn't benefit the average person much, that's a lot of behind the scenes getting things done.
/r/PussyPassDenied09/11/16 08:29 AM
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I don't think this was a case of a woman feeling deserving of something based on her gender and being denied. She's a career politician who can get shit done, regardless of the fact that she's a woman. The American people voted for change and got it. The results would've been the same if Hillary were a man, her history would still represent establishment and Trump's represent outsider.
/r/PussyPassDenied09/11/16 07:59 AM
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Right. To get an accurate representation, I would want to pull all tweets with "called me a slut," "not a slut" and "slut shaming" There would still be some left that shouldn't contribute to the numbers, but we might see a more balanced gender split. What's harder to isolate is when people are discussing use of the word.
/r/MensRights08/07/16 05:56 PM
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After the camera fell I skipped through it to the end and appreciated the last second so much. Cop: "Does she use drugs or anything...?"
/r/PussyPassDenied29/07/15 05:24 AM
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I saw it on FB too.. If you look at the bottom, it provides a link to a deleted TwoX thread. I'd like to heard from them why they deleted it.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 09:01 PM
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I read science papers daily and it was still tough. Most of what I read is psychology, though. I really hope people outside my field don't feel like I just did when they read my work.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 08:36 AM
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It isn't always word-count that drives my own writing to look like that; it's a scientific lit system that collectively defines specific cumbersome terms that I then have to use. There's no other way to say "significant correlation" when I'm referring to statistics and the only way I can make "superior temporal gyrus" easier to read it to abbreviate with STG.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 08:33 AM
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It's not surprising, but I would hate to have gotten it from an authority figure. My influences were primarily female peers complaining about a lack of dating prospects because "all men (this or that)"
/r/MensRights15/03/14 08:48 AM
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Hearing "boys are stupid" all the time eventually got me to the point of making me instinctively agree. I grew ashamed of my gender as a whole rather than identifying the behavior I disagreed with in specific males. And that's why I joined this sub.
/r/MensRights15/03/14 08:01 AM
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I thought this was good.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 02:48 AM
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After years of exposure, I'm still astounded that this shit is put on "news" stations. They're inflammatory talking heads.
/r/MensRights05/02/13 06:46 PM
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