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I'll admit I mispoke by using right instead instead of need at the start of my second sentence, but the fact remains that by asserting that love is something inconsequential that nobody has a right to be upset about being deprived of, you implicitly assert that there's no reason for gay people to be upset about having their sexuality repressed, as it should be easy for them to do exactly what you're preaching lonely hetero men should do about their own loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:43 PM
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I have never mentioned a human need for vagina, stop strawmanning. Again, if you think love is not a right, then you implicitly don’t give a shit about gay rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:17 PM
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Sex is not a human need Sex is not vital to keeping your body alive, but if love were not a very serious psychological need, the gay rights movement never would've been a thing, because they all would've been perfectly fine just going on in loveless marriages or being chaste for life. Oh and if you're gonna try and claim that you specified you only meant heterosexual sex, that implies that you believe gay people have a legitimate need, but heterosexual people don't, which itself is a pretty wild…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 05:26 AM
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You’re conflating two distinct trends. The first group primarily targets men who are successful but dangerous, whereas the latter group comes from men who are unsuccessful but harmless. For the record, I’m not asserting that women wanting to “tame” hot psychopaths is a gendered phenomenon, I’m merely saying that this form of “I can fix him” has very little correlation with the manic pixie dream girls that depressed, socially malnourished burnouts fantasize about coming to save them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:30 AM
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I'm speaking on this as someone who has spent a good deal of time browsing r9k and r/incelswithouthate (and it's various attempted revivals), as well as this sub and r/ForeverAlone, but has never closely followed any of the sorts of creators you discuss, unless you count me going through a brief phase wherein I listened to a lot of Negative XP. So I'll answer the influencer-related questions by discussing him. What kind of messages or creators feel genuine, helpful, or comforting to you? For Neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:40 AM
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Why would I specify something we aren't even discussing? When you said people have 100% control over their emotions, you implicitly included everything. If you said “people have 100% control over their emotions except for some really crushing stuff”, I could’ve been nuanced and tried to make a case for why I think lifelong romantic rejection fits the really crushing stuff, but instead you made an absolute statement. Edit: also you said “You can absolutely decide to feel any sort of way in any so…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:05 PM
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When you said, “You do know you have 100% control over your emotions and how you conduct yourself, right?” you never specified any exception for emotions brought on by losing your entire family. Pivoting to “it’s not equivalent in emotional weight to this comedically extreme hypothetical,” is a massive moving of goalposts, and indirectly concedes my point that nobody has total control over their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:48 PM
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Female rape victims have say in whether the baby is born, the male victims have nothing to do but essentially have a large chunk of their work be turned into slave labor for their rapist. (IMO modern republican movements to push back against abprtion rights are a slightly separate discussion. I oppose these anti- abortion efforts, you probably do too, let’s just leave it at that.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:23 PM
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Rape victims are still made to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:45 PM
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“Unrealistic standards” are whatever the person chooses them to be. Nobody else can deem somebody’s standards unreasonable or unrealistic. They are what they are. It's incredibly bad-faith to address that single phrase without acknowledging that they were speaking in reference to mass media skewing our standards. It's undeniably fucked up that we're at the point where people are unironically calling stars like Taylor Swift or Jennifer Lawrence "mid" in reference to photos where they're caked in …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 06:35 AM
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<image> I'm sorry for being bullied as an adolescent and being neurodivergent. I fully acknowledge that this is a crime that renders me justly deserving of being condemned to lifelong suicidal depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:12 AM
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You didn't ask to prove that women aren't disposable in those ways, you asked for someone to list ways in which women aren't disposable. If you had clearly set the goalposts there I never would've bothered because that's a ridiculous claim nobody made.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:40 AM
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Everybody's equal but some are more equal than others. it's never women who send men to war There have literally been propaganda movements to encourage volunteering for battle by having women go out and publicly humiliate men who aren't volunteering. it's never women who hire men for dangerous jobs Are you seriously going to argue that no woman has ever been involved with the hiring process for a job in a field with a high rate of workplace accidents? It's ok to admit that women are fallible hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:30 AM
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If I didn't answer the question then explain how women are disposable by the metrics listed in the infographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:21 AM
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Problematic cultural norms aren’t really measurable but here <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 01:15 AM
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You do realize that you're repping Ayn Rand right now, right? If you're a die-hard objectivist then I can't really confront you without going outside the topics of this sub, I just doubt that's the case. (and before you start putting words in my mouth I don't think sex should be a state-mandated right, I think general human companionship is a base emotional need and no moral system would neglect to fulfill said need in it's citizens, and at minimum cultural norms should encourage sympathy for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 12:16 AM
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Ok, what’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:54 PM
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Nobody said it was logically and objectively unjust, only that it can feel unjust from certain povs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:47 PM
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The one me and my tech bro friends financed because we felt like the cause sounded good while we were high.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:43 PM
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LMAO did you think this was real?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:38 PM
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Beautiful subject transition, amazing how you directed the entire conversation to revolve around a single point that was tertiary at best to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:07 PM
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It's nonsensical in the first place to try to make men hating women "expressing their frustration" analogous to support groups for an addiction. In the Anonymous group, there is a single recognized common enemy, of sorts. Everyone is struggling with an addiction, which isn't a person. Addictive substances don't require consent to be used or stopped. You can talk about it for the poison it is. You can demonize it, you can hate what it has done to you and your life. It's a substance. It seems clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:38 AM
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Op is saying if the general public agreed and upvoted men's frustrations that would decrease misogyny? Why are you framing it as though we can either be completely silent about issues harming men, or we can be misogynistic? Why is non-misogyny incompatible with giving a shit about men as a group? Are you genuinely incapable of imagining a man that is upset with modern dating but doesn't literally want A Handmaiden's Tale to be reality? People down vote misogyny. Upvoting misogyny will decrease m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 04:41 AM
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Reread OP: "Especially with the current internet culture, where ppl are quick to cancel ppl just for saying something controversial or offensive. So men would rather hide & internalize their frustrations in a un-healthy manner without release, which would create women hating incels." This is very clearly saying that there's more to what makes an internet space friendly/unfriendly to certain things than what admins will and won't take down. Let's take a politically neutral example: Even if the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 03:36 AM
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Fair. My point still stands that the "safe spaces" become toxic echo-chamber wastelands. Would you say that of drug rehab and alcoholics anonymous? History has already proven wrong the idea that allowing "non-judgemental safe spaces" for these men "helps improve misogyny, incel hate towards women ect.." Not only does it not do any of that, it actually does the exact opposite. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 03:30 AM
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OP is literally discussing how we should discourage men from going to those spaces by creating alternative spaces that are more appealing. Like did you think the title meant "I believe resolving this will help improve misogyny, incel hate towards women ect." in the sense that it was increasing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 03:14 AM
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Ironic coming from someone looking for an excuse to dismiss a valid point with a snarky “So about what I posted….….”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:55 PM
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Is the title some bullshit clickbait you don’t believe in that has no relevance to the body of your post? Because it seems pretty clear to me that the entire body of the post is comprised of attempts to support the claim made in the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:45 PM
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How is it not relevant to what you posted? <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:47 AM
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Men are not infants. Infants and children get special care and attention (none of which is sexual) till they are roughly 16-18. I'm not asserting men should be cared for like babies, I'm disputing your claim that no person has ever died from lack of affection. If you want to say that it's unfair for me to tear down your assertions without making any myself then I suppose my position is that If men need more attention that’s on their parents for not helping them grow up properly and on the adult …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:30 AM
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This isn't a thread about whether or not men are overeager to cry misandry you're free to make one yourself. The only relevance "kill all men" has to this thread is the comment made by OP where it's framed as one end of an extreme. They say nothing about how common or uncommon the sentiment is, just that it's extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:41 AM
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I'd be happy to engage in an on-topic discussion about OP's point in a thread directly responding to him (as my own views on the subject are slightly different from his), but in this thread you engaged with a derailing claim of OP asking for something he explicitly denounced, then when I pinned you down on that, you suddenly changed the subject to what OP was actually saying. So I'm not going to engage with you shifting the subject based on one tiny fragment of a passage I quoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 10:24 PM
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Actually there are old studies indicating that babies completely deprived of affection will just give up and die. You unironically suggesting that people suffering from crushing loneliness should just pay someone else to pretend to be their partner for a bit is the most cold, capitalist thing I've heard. You're cheering for full steam ahead towards Japan's idol culture where a fucking weather woman isn't allowed to be seen in public with a boyfriend without causing a 10% dip in the stock value f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 10:10 PM
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You didn't set the bar at "are some weirdos on the internet saying it", you set the bar at whether we were doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:57 PM
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Why are you pretending that OP presented "kill all men" as a serious idea when both ends are cartoonishly extreme?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:51 PM
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Why are you pretending that OP presented "kill all men" as a serious idea when both ends are cartoonishly extreme?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:50 PM
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Why are you pretending that OP presented "kill all men" as a serious idea when both ends are cartoonishly extreme?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:50 PM
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Yes, which is why OP and myself are talking about how this should shape our general attitude towards these men. OP directly spelled this out: I agree that these are not perfectly analogous to each other, which is why I'm not proposing state mandated girlfriends. However, I think the least we could do is stop shitting on incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:49 PM
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My point is that it’s inhumane for a society to expect citizens to only get the bare essentials necessary for survival, be that for physical or mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:29 PM
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This take is only possible if you assume incels are all idyllically raised and just woke up one morning then decided to become suicidally depressed misanthropes. Even Elliott Rodger the fucking poster boy of incel entitlement that complained about not getting results when he sat at a park bench and waited for women to approach him had a dozen different childhood traumas detailed in his childhood that very clearly spells out how he winded up the way he did. Also it’s really funny you cite jregari…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:27 PM
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When you move the goalposts to say that lack of essentials is the only problem with capitalism, you say that every capitalist state that houses and feeds prisoners has no problems, as it’s incredibly easy to voluntarily enter the prison system.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:16 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 09:36 PM
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Why did you change the topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:50 PM
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Yeah there were tons of studies done on it due to the pandemic. This is just one of the top search results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 07:53 PM
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Yes I know, I’m saying I don’t see why you care so much about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:45 PM
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I’m rereading this and I legit don’t see the issue you have with that shit. If life expectancy is top priority then wealth is far less important than finding a partner given loneliness lowers your life expectancy by about 30% and increases the chances of conditions like Dementia that make life not worth living.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:32 PM
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He directly stated that his low standards are directly influenced by his limited pool of partners. He’s choosing dating with low standards to decrease his odds of staying lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:14 PM
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And loneliness is worse for your life expectancy than smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:03 PM
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Whether we’re talking about dance/tennis or sex, it’s already unhealthy for a partner to look down on the other based on experience to something. Ironically, if we’re talking about virgin women, it’s the opposite of dance/tennis, where more experience is apparently frowned upon in this thread. I just don’t understand why. That’s my point, if you are in the middle of actively handicapping yourself so you can engage with someone far below your level that you are nonetheless forced to engage with f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 11:10 PM
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Where your Strawberry analogy completely falls apart is by ignoring the fact that eating is a naturally solitary practice whereas we’re talking about an inherently social act. It’d be much more honest to say something about finding a partner to practice something like tennis or dancing with, but then you’d be directly faced with the fact that of course there’s a big difference between being personally tutored by an expert who is dumbing things down from how they’re used to it versus learning alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 09:50 PM
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I could see that if it was small or reasonably-sized but in this hypothetical it’s like if you asked a woman whether she’d rather date a male virgin, or the same male virgin after he’s magically had all of Hugh Hefner’s, Andrew Tate’s, and Rollo Tomassi’s sexual experiences blasted into his head.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:51 PM
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There’d be an imbalance of lived experiences in the field of sex unless you also had a ridiculous amount of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:32 PM
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Which page of the Fountainhead did you pull that from?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 08:36 PM
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I doubt the “I can fix him” people are realists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 07:38 PM
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That's splitting hairs, we both know he's not asking for government mandated tradwife fuckdolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 06:37 AM
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Huh I wonder why /u/Obvious_Smoke3633 forgot to respond to this and responded to an hours old comment that was substanceless snark. I guess she knows you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 11:58 PM
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So male teachers should never help their female students and female teachers should never help male students. If you’re heterosexual there are base psychological needs that can only be filled by a woman. The only ways you can deny this is by making arguments that implicitly deny the need for gay rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 11:45 PM
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Are you seriously gonna argue that there’s nothing misogynistic about this video and the comments? Because that’s literally the same as what you’re doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 11:37 PM
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Just like how there’s no life-threatening need for sexual relations, so that means we can completely ban all sex if we feel like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 08:44 PM
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But you didn’t prove that lacking it directly leads to death so therefore nobody needs it. They should just go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:57 PM
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How about this: Why do women think voting is a human right when they won’t die without it? Sure it improves political autonomy but political autonomy is just a psychological need you can learn to overcome. After all, who likes a control freak that needs to have a hand in everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:45 PM
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Yes, because romantic needs and friendship fulfill completely different roles. If romance was really this unimportant, gay marriage never would’ve mattered for gay people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:01 PM
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You do realize that he’s criticizing society for enabling the rise of Tate, rather than praising him for dropping truth bombs, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:22 AM
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Someone directly asked why romantic/sexual loneliness is morally wrong, and you dismissed them by asserting that “not getting one’s dick wet is not loneliness” so I countered by illustrating the blatant absurdity of asserting that there’s nothing one could be lacking that isn’t fulfilled by male friendships and seeing a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:52 PM
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That’s exactly my point, when you called out the “I’m sexless and need romance” people you chose to ignore the romance so you could strawman them as wanting to get their dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:51 PM
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And here we get to the classic “there is literally no difference between a wife/husband and a lifelong FWB” absurdity where you imply that the only thing people get from a life partner that they couldn’t from a friend is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:55 PM
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I think the meta-philosophy you’re discussing is too broad to be applicable in cases except for those of evidence veracity, but I think there’s a lot to be gained from ethics and political theory. I have had a lot of conversations about male loneliness that had a big conversation breakdown over people who believe I’m specifically demanding stuff of women reading my post rather than discussing how society’s preexisting belief that people should help the downtrodden and unfortunate should extend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 07:47 PM
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It is mind-boggling to me that you would not only support but engage in this starvation comparison while talking about your transition and miss the hypocrisy. None of the trans movement has concerned physical needs, only those that are 100% psychological. Not only that, by denying that psychological needs are a real concern which should be dealt with by society, you indirectly attack almost every single LGBTQ movement that isn’t directly tied to AIDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:56 AM
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We probably agree that poor people arent entitled to get $1000 from everybody they politely ask, but going to a place where people discuss poverty and constantly bringing it up unprompted is just a passive-aggressive way of demeaning and insulting poor people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:34 AM
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You’re the only one who brought up this stuff being equal in severity, the other poster was discussing how unproductive and combatively demeaning it is to be dismissive in the way OP is by using a reductio ad absurdum, and I never even addressed their comparison. There are dozens of different schools of thought as to what should be done as a long-run solution, and I’m not even that committed to any of them let alone there being a solution. Right now all I want is for people like you to stop fram…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:46 PM
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I've seen this enough times that I'll just copypaste my favorite takedown of that attitude. The “sex doesn’t matter brah” and “just be confident bro” people always reveal themselves to have no empathy or introspection. You’ve never once examined why you are the way you are, how things make you feel, how you behave based upon your feelings etc. Just imagine you’ve gone through ~25 years of life and never once has a girl given you any signs of attraction, never looked at you a crossed the room, ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:58 AM
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For those guys "you need to stop or you'll never find a gf" is an empty threat because they already believe that they're already never going to find a gf. You're appealing to them by asking them to hold onto a shred of hope that they gave up on long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:51 AM
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If I'm a paraplegic I'm entitled to feel bitter when I see someone entering a building that lacks wheelchair accessibility. It doesn't justify me committing or wishing violence on that person, and it would be unhealthy to stew in that bitterness, but there's nothing wrong with feeling bitter and shitty about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:33 AM
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No, I just missed out on the Autism database that enables me to see a comprehensive rundown of other autistic people in the area, and don't know how I'm supposed to live up to the dating gender roles enforced on me. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:29 AM
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Bro you can't come swinging with "Women don't want me and it can't possibly be a problem with me" then cry foul when a RP type swings back. And the original comment wasn't even an accurate description of RP's problems. If anything, it's problem is that it goes too far in assuming women have no agency to dislike an "objectively alpha" dude and all of them will be charmed by the same flowchart if it's coming out of a buff guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:57 AM
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Yes children with a bad school life tend to engage in less extracurriculars. No, but it’s not as if I had an idyllic upbringing up until I noticed both in high school or spawned out of the ether as a high schooler, I was a human being who had human issues, and out of desperation, I turned to a flawed solution for my spiraling mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:26 PM
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IMO that's not a root cause on par with the shit he mentioned, it's just one form of looking for an escape from said problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 05:23 AM
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Nothing in there was talking about having the alpha dog pack leader genes, just a basic fact that the human mind is built to feel distressed when utterly unable to secure a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:15 PM
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Bro people passing on legacies through ideas is an incredibly recent development on the scale of mankind, and wanting to pass on a legacy is THE thing evolution prioritizes above all else. The only way you could argue otherwise is if you’re a creationist that thinks the earth is a few thousand years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:58 PM
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I don’t know what that post has to do with this discussion. This entire thread started as discussing whether or not it's reasonable for a man in that position to have social confidence tied to romantic success. Unrealistic expectations of others is destructive. Men want to skip all the steps and magically discover a wife at the bus stop. It’s the same delusional most cold approachers suffer, they expect hacks and cheat codes for romance and sex instead of putting in the work the rest of the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 12:22 PM
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I agree very much with that, I just suspect we greatly differ in our takeaways on the subject. I've got another writeup to quote/screencap that verbalizes my position well, but I'll just share the last paragraph for the sake of brevity: Social resources are the most real thing there is, you cannot replace, simulate, or quickly create people that care about you and are trying to secure opportunities for you. It just cannot be done. Social resources start being accumulated at a very young age, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 12:17 PM
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immortal makes sense for the original, there's nothing immoral about severe social anxiety. Nope. People go out to hang out with like minded people, and maybe flirt with some to check for mutual interest. Springing a request for a date on someone who has expressed zero interest is a crazypants strategy which will almost certainly fail. Do you believe this to be the deranged ramblings of a schizophrenic? <image> Because what I see is a socially maladjusted indiviudal trying and failing to allevia…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 08:49 AM
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I think you're making the mistake of assuming that it's 100% incels wanting 10/10 bangmaids, IME browsing incel-adjacent spaces and interacting with them, most of them are hurting for something like this when they're not in a "rebellious provocateur" or hornyposting thread. <image> I never really see people doing these sorts of writeups about the fact that they'll never be a chad, the most I'll see is mourning that they'll never feel wanted by a woman. There's also the element of just not knowin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 08:42 AM
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"immortal, insane, or stupid" is completely unfitting for your comment, and the fact that you tried to plug it in mad libs-style serves as evidence that you never tried to actually understand what they were saying with their comment. Immortality is the only way a sane, smart person could be completely unconcerned with losing their finite time alive, and has absolutely no meaning for your comment pretending that people reacting emotionally to success and failure is equivalent to being servants to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 08:03 AM
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For the kind of man we're talking about, this pic sums up how one comes to view things that way. <image> Therapy can help you mentally prepare to reject that, but the mindset can't truly be discarded until your success rate gets above 0%, and every time one fails to get any sort of a positive outcome, the mindset becomes validated a little more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 07:54 AM
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acronym for pick-up artists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 07:36 AM
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Yes, feminism means equality between the sexes by [x] means, but that description of the movement’s goal is so broad that you could use this to argue for literally any ideology (for example fascism’s goal is “make society better”, if you believe in making society better, you’re a fascist). Feminism is defined by advancing gender equality through a focus on the female experience, and I personally find that unproductive compared to focusing on experiences between both sexes. Edit: Just noticed tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 02:58 PM
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You’re conflating feminism with gender equality for the purpose of saying that everybody who doesn’t identify at feminist opposes gender equality. You’ve been repeatedly faced with people clarifying that they believe in gender equality, but don’t have any faith in the methodologies of modern feminist movements and therefore identify under the wider umbrella of egalitarian. Your response has been to repeat the professed goals of feminism as if that’s a silver bullet that proves feminism has a mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 02:52 PM
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And your mental gymnastics only go so far in unevenly distributing it, before you need to put on a clowns mask. They're probably evenly distributed in knowing how to liven up the bedroom, but the graphic undeniably proves that they're unevenly distributed in the basics, which is what the subject of this thread is about. Pretending that it trickles down is the real mental gymnastics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 07:20 PM
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<image> You weren’t supposed to think he was right
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:22 PM
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The entire RP claim is that BP has been the status quo for decades. The BP is largely unchanged from that time aside from BP dropping the homophobia, which I would argue is a fairly inconsequential to this discussion about heterosexual dating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:35 AM
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That is part of the Blue Pill ideology, because that is the status quo of the time. The Blue Pill isn’t defined by being an Agent Smith or a Cypher, it’s defined by comfortably accepting the status quo narrative. Ultimately anyone coming at the RP from this angle will wind up having to argue that the dating world was perfect before pick up artists spontaneously manifested out of thin air. I would say you’re much better off fighting the root causes of why men feel like RP is the only viable sourc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:28 AM
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If a grown man is still thinking about his school days, he has personal problems. Not all of the men I'm talking about here are introspective enough to bother figuring out the origins, but all had a childhood trauma in their school days, and idk why you think I would be afraid to say that these guys have personal problems. I befriended people like that and they deserved it. Did you stare into their soul to view their pasts, look at every negative event in their childhood, and say "god what a fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 08:24 AM
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People don't become like this for no reason. When you're bullied for years in school (usually for things that you have no control over), it gets drilled into your head that nobody wants to have anything to do with you. You become bitter and crazy. This doesn't just go away when school ends - That programming stays with you for the rest of your life. It's completely understandable why someone would dive right into the /pol/ cringe shit when you think nobody wants to have anything to do with you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 08:17 PM
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I was pretty clearly referring to his approach of sitting in public waiting for women to approach, but I don’t see anything wrong with referring to his spree as stupid shit, given how incompetently planned and executed his “retribution” was.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 01:47 PM
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The negative experience isn't that they tried the Elliot Rodger "approach" of sitting at a park bench waiting for women to throw themselves at them (even in the case of Elliot, his manifesto leaves a clear trail of childhood trauma leading to the man that tried that stupid shit), the negative experience is the shit described in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:03 AM
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idk why you're pretending that lashing out isn't one of the human mind's default responses to pain, and lashing out is only a bad thing when it costs you something you would otherwise have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:10 AM
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"If you act unpleasant after having a negative experience, then the negative experience was your fault" I don't see any way this line of thinking could result in victim-blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:05 AM
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Alright well those are the types of social structures he was talking about earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 10:01 PM
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I'm not asking you about the platitude you'd give to anyone having trouble with it, I'm asking about how you would try to shape social structures to facilitate more of these friendships. Saying "you should open up a bit more" is a non-answer, it's like saying you plan to erase poverty by telling people to try harder to find work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:59 PM
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You don't will a close friendship into existence, it happens naturally, and social structures like the ones he mentioned act as an environment to facilitate that stuff, therefore making it more common. How else do you propose we increase the amount of close male friendships?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:32 PM
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Yeah idk why he felt the need to escalate to throwing around horrible insults like d*mb. All the other guy did was call him a sexual predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:39 AM
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It's basically just a form of negging that RPers will prescribe to dead bedrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:34 AM
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That is best summarized through a passage from Radicalizing the Romanceless All I got a chance to do was to tell him I respected his situation, that he was in a really sucky position, that it wasn’t his fault, and that I hoped he did better. I’m sure my saying that had minimal effect on him. But maybe a history of getting to hear that message from all different people – friends, family, doctors, social workers, TV, church, whatever – all through his life – gave him enough mental fortitude to go …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:08 PM
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I'm not asking that you treat sex and friendship as a state-mandated right that autistic people can buy with vouchers they get for free, I'm asking that people try to have some basic fucking empathy for autism-related social mishaps, the same way people rightfully give people with Tourettes some slack when it comes to cursing-related social mishaps You're basically being ancap about social resources (shit on where I drew the comment from all I want, but if you completely ignore the content of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:37 AM
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I know many people have had terrible experiences with therapy, but that's not how it's supposed to be. I have very little in the way of truly awful experiences with therapy outside of one example, I just cannot financially afford to spend hundreds per session when I'm getting little more than a shoulder to cry on. I have a high-functioning autistic friend whose therapist practiced social skills, recognition of emotions based on facial expressions and other cues, helped him basically learn how to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:21 AM
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I'm not saying this as someone who refuses to go because I've heard one or two horror stories. I've been to handful of therapists, each for several months straight, and never gotten anything more out of therapy than a shoulder to cry on. I simply cannot financially afford to keep rolling the dice with Therapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:19 AM
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Everybody finds walking up stairs more difficult than walking on a sidewalk, but you wouldn’t bring that up in response to someone complaining about wheelchair accessibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:02 PM
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I refuse on principle to try and gaslight myself into becoming comfortable dying alone without an ounce of a form of social validation I’ve spent my entire life craving. And when I say craving, I’m not talking about a “my tummy has been rumbling for 10 hours straight” hunger, I mean that I’ve been malnourished for years when it comes to fulfilling base psychological needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 08:59 PM
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The point isn't that the stereotype is based on nonexistent strawmen, the point is that it's based on weak men (when you use an absurdly small minority of people to craft a strawman), and actual nice guys get caught in the crossfire because you refuse to use a more apt name. The exact point of the argument is best exemplified by an earlier passage that leads into the bit I quoted: When I was younger – and I mean from teenager hood all the way until about three years ago – I was a ‘nice guy’. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:03 PM
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From Radicalizing the Romanceless since you guys are still making points refuted by a 2014 blogpost: It was wrong of me to say I hate poor minorities. I meant I hate Poor Minorities! Poor Minorities is a category I made up that includes only poor minorities who complain about poverty or racism. No, wait! I can be even more charitable! A poor minority is only a Poor Minority if their compaints about poverty and racism come from a sense of entitlement. Which I get to decide after listening to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:50 PM
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It's not a matter of being better. The thing is that their choice is not "change" vs "don't change." It's "try to change" vs "don't try to change." The change is not guaranteed. It comes with the risk of failure and with failure comes a hit to your self-esteem. If you've got plenty of reserves of self-esteem and have ways to replenish it when lost then that's not a huge problem. You can gamble a little with it. When you have very little self-esteem you hold on to it tightly. You feel like anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:55 PM
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The point isn't that "the child not embraced by the village" is an existential threat who literally has the capacity to go 1v100- against whatever local police force. The point is that when you have a culture that creates these sorts of individuals, everybody loses in some regard, as the only way you can go about 100% mitigating the damage caused by these people is through the use of a totalitarian police state.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:30 PM
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How the hell do you read that when I hold up FWB as an example of what I don’t want?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 05:19 PM
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The only way you can believe that SOs don’t provide more intimacy is if you think they’re just a long-term FWB who happens to be a roommate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 01:17 PM
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I put “recruit” in quotes because I didn’t want to have a run on sentence about how I’m in the group of people the blackpill is most likely to appeal to. Though I agree with everything else you said in the comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:42 PM
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I don't think I'm an incel ideologically, but I'm definitely in the target demographic that they try to "recruit" from. Were your parents outcasts? Socially idk, but we were economically middle class living in some normal suburbs. Was your dad around? Your mom? I actually had a pretty normal nuclear family with a stay-at-home mom (though she did go through night school and start up a career while I was going to Middle School). Did you have siblings? 2 little sisters, one of which is a literal Pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:12 AM
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Damn, I can’t believe I never considered pulling myself up by my bootstraps, thanks for the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:57 PM
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These problems are often symptoms of a bad home life as a kid and/or neurodivergence in general. I don’t have any issue with the idea of looking down on incels for failing to be productive in the current day, but when you imply that an incel’s problems are 100% self-inflicted, you’re implying that some 10-year-old a few decades ago deserves to become a suicidally depressed loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:54 PM
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Both articles go into the societal issues that create men who are incels in all but belief, but they're primarily focused on the harm caused by the way feminists tend to react to said men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 04:58 PM
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Let’s keep doing the thing that’s not working! It’s our only chance! This is literally what you're doing when you say "No one hurt them. That's the problem." Make some friends/seek help/lift weights till you puke/ go to church/ whatevs. Just don’t expect the same old to suddenly make things better. I just finished a job search getting a physical labor job and am getting along well with my coworkers. I don't expect the same old to suddenly make me feel better, I'm just offended because 90% of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 04:53 PM
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There's a pair of articles written by a psychiatrist that are now over 8 years old that answer this question pretty thoroughly Radicalizing the Romanceless B is possibly the most feminist man who has ever existed, palpably exudes respect for women, and this is well-known in every circle feminists frequent. He is reduced to apophatic complaints about how sad he is that he doesn’t think he’ll ever have a real romantic relationship. Henry has four domestic violence charges against him by his four e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 04:49 PM
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Look at a community of suicidally depressed, highly neurodivergent men who suffer from intense social anxiety Decide that their problem is that they haven't been ostracized enough
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 04:37 PM
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If a business owner selling luxury goods doesn't want to serve a certain ethnic group, they aren't being denied food and shelter, but it's still marginalizing them. Your only grounds for claiming that incels aren't marginalized is by outright denying that there is a social stigma against lonely, socially awkward, neurodivergent young men, and/or denying that loneliness is as bad for your life expectancy as 15 cigarettes a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:41 PM
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He's talked about this before many times. I wished I could have friends, I wished I could go to school without being constantly bullied, I wished I could get a girlfriend, long before I knew what sex was. I was an autistic, empathetic, abused, hopeless romantic, even from an early teen. I carried that with me, for so long, and I'm sure it's still somewhere in me even now. It's torn at my insides for all these years, desperately wanting those connections, just wanting to be normal, but because I …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 06:55 PM
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Well you haven't been actually arguing that point at all, you've just been accusing myself and OP of making unreasonable demands and/or saying that abuse doesn't cause a certain type of trauma because not everybody who goes through abuse suffers that exact type of trauma from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 01:14 PM
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Nowhere in that post did I imply anybody is obligated to participate in the concentrated effort I mentioned. On the contrary, I brought it up to concede that not everybody can be saved. The actual meat of what I'm discussing is whether or not one should believe that poverty is an actual issue, and you've dodged that question at every opportunity to argue that you can't afford to give your all to stopping poverty. That's ok, I don't need you to give it your all, I don't even need you to become an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 04:08 AM
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This is like saying that you met a few crazy homeless people so nobody should give a shit about poverty. It’s entirely possible that the individuals in question are too far gone to be fixed by anything less than a concentrated effort from multiple volunteers solely focusing on them, but that doesn’t mean we should discard the idea of treating people at risk of becoming like that with some dignity, as I’ve teetered on that edge, and the dismissive rhetoric you’re displaying was one of the biggest…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 09:06 PM
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That's not what I or the OP are talking about though All I got a chance to do was to tell him I respected his situation, that he was in a really sucky position, that it wasn’t his fault, and that I hoped he did better. I’m sure my saying that had minimal effect on him.But maybe a history of getting to hear that message from all different people – friends, family, doctors, social workers, TV, church, whatever –all through his life – gave him enough mental fortitude to go back to his horrible jobs…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:00 PM
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This poor person grew up in a shitty environment There are people who grew up in circumstances that were similar or worse, and they managed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps 🤷‍♀️.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:17 PM
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The longer you go without success, the more you feel like a sucker buying lottery tickets.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:17 AM
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Cant figure out where I ever claimed to be novel. Mockingly pointing out that the other party isn't saying anything new is hypocritical if you're also saying old shit. Why would I literally say “I’m sorry you’re lonely” If I wasn’t acknowledging that their loneliness was real and a problem? To cover your ass the same way one might when they say "I'm not racist, but". The original quote literally reads "I'm sorry you're lonely, but" They're looking for companionship and they'll blow everything up…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:47 PM
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Ctl+C Ctl+V of a post I’ve read? Okay We're both using arguments the other has seen a hundred times before, I'm just dropping any pretense of novelty. It might be relevant if I reached into the millennia-sized pot of “womenshoulds” irl, but if you ask me, calling up recent posts in this sub inresponse to a post on this sub is fair game. It's a derailment tactic that ironically proves the OP's point that no woman here wants to actually acknowledge that lonely guys have a raw deal. OP made no clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:11 PM
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Posting 13 examples of misogyny from a sub of 105K proves absolutely nothing. There are over a billion Chinese people. If even one in a thousand is a robber, you can provide one million examples of Chinese robbers to appease the doubters. Most people think of stereotyping as “Here’s one example I heard of where the out-group does something bad,” and then you correct it with “But we can’t generalize about an entire group just from one example!” It’s less obvious that you may be able to provide li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:04 PM
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Oh wow look at all those quotes that were posted by OP, and are 100% representative of him, it sure is convenient that men are a monolith (unlike women, of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:28 PM
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Someone who's been in relationships before isn't allowed to say that anymore than a rich person gets to say that money can't buy happiness. I know for a fact that most of my self-esteem problems stem from the fact that I have an unbroken losing streak in the world of dating, and the longer that streak gets, the more it feels like I'm being indirectly told that I'm garbage. I also take offense to the implication that I haven't been trying and failing for years straight to make do with platonic re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:25 PM
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You're straight up putting words in OP's mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:42 PM
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I can translate for the reading comprehension impaired: If [women don't need men fighting for them or protecting them], then [women can fight their own battles], right? Why do you need [male strangers that you'd probably never give the time of day] to defend you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:45 AM
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He didn't try to prove the opposite, he asserted that women deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:41 AM
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Usually it's because they don't want an imbalance in dating experience, as the alternative to both parties learning as they go is a weird dynamic where the woman has to play a somewhat maternal figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:40 AM
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Some children get excluded in the social groups of the classroom, and are forced to spend months in their environment due to the fact that they lack the agency to go "there's plenty of fish in the sea" and move to a different town. This means that they spend an extended period of time receiving constant negative reinforcement from their peers, during which, they often have no choice but to come up with some "lone wolf" copium. And unlike girls, puberty won't help the boys who've gone through thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:09 PM
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From what I've gathered, Japan has had a few "she can fix me" stories, but I wouldn't know because consuming romance-based media as a virgin will just make me feel envious of fictional characters, and I know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:01 PM
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You keep on describing what I'm requesting as though it's an action that takes considerable effort, when all I'm asking is a suspension of judgement in light of mitigating circumstances. That can certainly carry some opportunity cost or restrict you, but it doesn't require any active effort, and most people are already used to doing that kind of thing when dealing with various persecuted groups (note that I'm not asserting that lonely men are persecuted, just that people already know how to susp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:12 PM
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There is some ambiguity in that regard, I’m mainly just pushing back against the idea that literally the only thing you can do to help these people is dating them or inviting them to stuff out of pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:08 PM
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I’ve seen it happen as a result of stuttering, not knowing when to engage in conversation, or speaking out of turn, frequently in scenarios involving adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:48 PM
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Obviously not if you feel unsafe but there’s a massive amount of much smaller mistakes I see people get completely shunned over.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:43 PM
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Let unavoidable rookie mistakes be inconsequential, and don't let them completely shatter your willingness to tolerate their presence. I'm talking about giving leniency for error, that requires very little of you, so you can stop trying to bend it into being some sort of burden I'm expecting you to shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:44 PM
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I read it. You just don't like that I wasn't moved by it lol So you admit that you redundantly tried to drop a "truth bomb" that I already agree with. So what's your solution? Force people to befriend strangers they don't like? Pity dates? As I've said multiple times, I'm not talking about hanging out with people out of pure pity. I'm talking about a willingness to look past rookie mistakes, and criticizing your insistence that it's literally impossible to do that without taking a part time job …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:26 PM
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has it occurred to them that if socializing is THAT difficult for them, they need something more along the lines of professional help? Therapy has an inherent limit in how many social skills can be learned in the same way that Tee ball can only teach you so much about how to bat. At some point, you need to hit a ball being thrown at you, and it's much easier to learn when you're not being thrown 110 mph fastballs. In the same way, you eventually need to interact with people in a setting that isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:14 AM
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"Be social" as advice for the socially illiterate is like giving this guide to someone that's just getting into drawing. The entire point of the "Social Resources" thing is to illustrate that there's nothing you can do if you don't already have a well-established network of people who attend parties and are willing to vouch for you in front of their peers Right now you're actively validating the ways in which blackpillers stereotype non-blackpillers We all understand that "just be social" or "go…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:46 AM
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Literally every account I've heard about those kinds of places is that you can't just walk in without any preexisting connection to the place unless you're already relatively hot, and most of these people are bankrupt in terms of social resources (the "sharing of social resources" described in their is another one of the things I mentioned when I was talking about giving people a chance).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:25 AM
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Why are you under the impression that this is supposed to be fair? I don't expect the world to be fair, I expect your anti-blackpill advice to actually provide some upwards mobility in terms of dating skills, and "stay in your lane" doesn't work when low-n count men drastically outnumber virgin women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:58 AM
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In that case I'd say the main problem with your reasoning is that virgin women have far more options than virgin men, and therefore are far more capable of losing their virginity whenever they please to experienced people, leading to an inevitable disparity that can only be reconciled by non-virgin women giving virgin men a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:28 AM
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What I believe is that they should focus on people on their level So you think they're right to want virgins and low n-count women? Didn't expect that from a bluepiller.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:17 PM
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How do you expect these people to learn if you believe they should never be given a low-stakes environment where rookie mistakes are forgiven? "Giving a chance" doesn't mean you go out on a dozen dates with them out of charity, it means you be willing to look past inexperience. You preaching that women should be never look past inexperience in men is literally just preaching the blackpill to any nearby men I'm going to reuse an argument here, but I feel like that's fair game since I've lost coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 10:56 PM
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Could you cite where they mentioned trauma dumping? All I saw was calls to give more people a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 08:56 PM
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I'm not arguing that coddling is the way to go. I'm arguing that the years of bullying I've endured have done far more to prime me for accepting the incel worldview than exposure to the internet at a young age has, as it's conditioned me to subconsciously believe that the social world is a cruel, unfair place to be avoided at every opportunity. Just as there's some middle ground between beating your kid and spoiling them, there has to be some middle ground between leaving kids to bullies and fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 11:49 PM
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Not shoving them back into the lion's den to get their self-esteem torn to shreds all over again is only abuse in the same sense that "spare the rod, spoil the child" is abuse. Your core argument is that the only form of socializing that exists is bullying, when that's patently false.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 11:28 PM
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"Socializing" through the abuse of their peers isn't that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 10:15 PM
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This is literally the argument people use to defend beating their kids when it's the only method of "teaching a lesson" they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 07:47 PM
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Can you put a few more words on the ways in which, historically, women have betrayed and the ways in which men have trusted? Redpillers typically don't assert that women have been betraying for centuries or millenia, they usually cite late 20th century feminist movements that profess women should put themselves 100% first, and the fact that these movements do nothing to come into conflict with the movements saying Men need to be more caring. And how could men reciprocate betrayal in this context…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 07:43 PM
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Betray how in that situation? Betray as in put yourself 100% first, I literally explained it. Maybe "put the other partner 100% first" is the wrong way to phrase trust (the healthy option), but the general idea stands. And do you seriously think that there aren't women who have blind trust towards everyone? This is the biggest proof that you just skimmed over my comment, I literally said "although there are of course a few outliers who self-teach the inverse."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 02:09 PM
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You should care about self improvement for reasons that are unrelated to women so that you will be more desirable to women. Not everybody has the capacity to gaslight themselves into believing whatever is pragmatically optimal for making themselves happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:15 AM
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I stay home and use the internet because every time I didn't do that growing up, people would bully me, or tell me to go away, or tell me that I wasn't attractive enough to be around them, or would simply ignore me. In general my treatment by others has always been poor enough that I would actively HOPE for the "ignore me" option. "Wow, everyone ignored me today. What a great day!" So don't try to pin this on the internet. The internet was there for me when no one else was.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:09 AM
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Nah there's plenty of "mentalcel" blackpillers out there. There are some infographics I could post as examples, but I'm pretty sure that'd get me hit for Rule 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:00 AM
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The Red Pill view on this subject is this: The dating market as an iterated prisoner's dilemma where betrayal represents putting yourself 100% first, and trust represents trying to put your partner first. For the past several decades, women were raised to always betray and men were raised to always trust, although there are of course a few outliers who self-teach the inverse. The only way women will ever be incentivized to trust is if men have the option of mutually assured destruction by recipr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 04:54 AM
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There are some men who, given a choice between simping and mutually assured unhappiness, will take the latter out of spite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 04:43 AM
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That's a nice spicy combo of Just World Fallacy and Chinese Robber Fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:29 AM
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It probably happened when this guy went completely uncontested in a sea of arguments, strongly giving the impression that bluepillers had no rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:44 AM
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You don't have to mask around men? He is saying that not only does he not need to mask around men, but doing the absolute inverse of masking to ward off gay men did nothing to dissaude them. You've never had to mask in any other social situation? Being hit on by a gay man is very much a different situation from having to approach a woman, see above.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:00 PM
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The nice thing about this as a rhetorical tactic is that there's literally nothing you can post which will disprove this poster. No matter how hard you've tried, no matter how good your track record, he can always find some way that you should've tried harder or been better, no matter how unrealistic. Or when really pressed, he'll just state that you're lying about what you've tried. No poster like this has any standards of what's "reasonable" or any line for where they might admit you couldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:32 AM
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This comment just furthers my theory that class struggle at its core is about the winners claiming that winners and losers are chosen based on means founded on justice and merit, as the losers claim that the world is founded on chance, backstabbing, and exploitation, and dating is subject to that tension just as economics is. “Everyone has options, you just need to try harder” is literally bootstrap-tier advice. And to top it all off, you never even answered his question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:28 AM
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The point is that "sending signals" isn't a thing in the minds of the inexperienced, because there's a ton of room for ambiguity, and the punishment for seeing signals where there are none far outweigh the reward for recognizing signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 06:09 PM
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Why did you source your friend group instead of statistics, in that case?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:56 PM
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All my friends feel the same way. You surrendered the right to use this argument when you accused the other side of sampling bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 01:03 AM
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Women are not a charity for broken men. I never made any demands, OP asked for a reason why, and I figured compassion for the downtrodden is a good enough reason for the average non-sociopath. Then they should be worth giving a chance to? If they want success they need to put the work in themselves, not sit there and whine about how nobody gives them a chance because they somehow think they are entitled to one. The best way to "stop that mindset" for those men is to go to therapy. Someone else h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 05:53 PM
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You're severely overestimating the amount of bootstrapping that the average human mind can do to mend it's own mental health, independent of external circumstances. There's a middle ground between r/wowthanksimcured methods of building self-esteem and entitlement to unearned affection, and I feel like "give more people a chance" fits within it. I don't reject the idea that lonely men should seek to improve themselves, I reject the idea that there is nothing other people can reasonably do to make…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 05:56 AM
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IMO the main source of social anxiety for these men is the knowledge that "I never be learned how to be intimately social in my formative years and now nobody wants to bother letting me learn how to do it now", and it's a completely legitimate concern for lonely guys, in a way that I don't think lonely women face. Knowing that women in general are willing to be forgiving of a guy in his mid 20s who's making rookie mistakes in dating would do a lot to ease the social anxiety of men that are in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:54 PM
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Most men who wind up with this self-image got there from years of no women ever giving them a chance. If you're saddened by the fact that someone earnestly made that image and it got shared around enough for it to reach your eyes, consider the possibility that the best way to stop the spread of that mindset is to give more people a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:06 PM
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Nice dodge!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:39 PM
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The nice thing about this as a rhetorical tactic is that there's literally nothing you can post which will disprove this poster. No matter how hard you've tried, no matter how good your track record, he can always find some way that you should've tried harder or been better, no matter how unrealistic. Or when really pressed, he'll just state that you're lying about what you've tried. No poster like this has any standards of what's "reasonable" or any line for where they might admit you couldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 06:13 AM
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Not really, both arguments use the exact same source.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 06:05 AM
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And I bet if I went to any country, I could find a rich person, so poverty isn't that bad in any country.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 06:01 AM
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You know what I see when I look around? Lots of people of varying levels of inherited wealth that are financially succeeding, you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:57 AM
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I share the same belief, but I guess your original position must be a lost cause if you're going to go this far doubling down on condescension and personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:56 PM
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So the definition of a Chad is different every time What definitions of chad does this contradict? Why? It's basically the ultimate demonstration of self-control, and basically proves that he is 100% interested in love rather than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:47 PM
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All of my comments both discuss gender dynamics in general and phrased exactly like your comment to draw comparison between a position you hold, and a position I believe you’ll disagree with. In this case, “why don’t you date women who meet your standards” is basically an open admission that HVM are right to pump and dump anyone who’s good for nothing more than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:42 AM
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The true volcel that maintains his virginity for cultural/religious reasons despite having women simping over him is already considered to be the ultimate chad, but he's basically a unicorn in this day in age. Volcel > Stud > Incel Women cannot be incels, so stud becomes the bottom of the totem pole, and turned into an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:22 AM
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It's not a "hotdog through a hallway" analogy, it represents the fact that men are the ones who approach 99% of the time. When it's 50/50, the analogy will stop holding up. This is a direct result of women overwhelmingly waiting for men to approach. If you guys don't want to approach you don't need to, but don't complain about the natural consequences of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:20 AM
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I was literally quoting you, to illustrate the comparison being made here. If you sincerely meant that as a personal attack, then I don't have any interest in going any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:27 PM
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Who you're married to has no relevance to this argument unless we're going into ad hominem territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:25 PM
1

Then go out with men who offer more. The comparison still holds here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:36 AM
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And the bar is offer something other than your pussy if you want commitment. That is not too high. I don't know why you think you'll be able to break the comparison by insulting the men who fail to meet the bar, that can easily be matched by degrading the women who fail to meet the bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:48 PM
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If your parents are bullying you it will adversely affect your social outcomes in life. Pretty people get more validation true, it's not all positive though. This is attacking a made-up strawman that ugliness is literally the only factor. Your original claim was that ugliness isn't a factor, and I'm disputing that. If ALL your socialising experiences are bullying, it can fuck you up. But Chad and Tinder isn’t relevant to that. Tinder isn't, but the only way an attractive person gets bullied is d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:12 PM
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I know that’s your argument in other comment threads, but the comment I replied to pretty boldly asserts that the bar is right where it needs to be for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:11 PM
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Then the bar for these women is reasonable, and them being wanted for nothing but sex reflects on them more than it reflects on the men who view them that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:08 PM
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So you admit that sometimes the bar is set unreasonably high?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:43 AM
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Being bullied, ostracized, humiliated, and/or rejected are all forms of socializing that only give you a net positive on happiness if you’re a masochist. The halo effect makes you more likely to receive social validation (which is the part of socializing that improves your psyche) and less likely to be denied it. Lots of people who were born poor or mentally ill didn’t grow up to become homeless, that doesn’t change the fact that those are the leading causes of homelessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:37 AM
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Who the fuck cares about being a good employee when you can’t even get past a successful job interview?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:29 AM
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The halo effect means that socializing objectively gives more positive feedback for attractive people, meaning they’re far more likely to walk away from social interaction having a net gain on their own happiness. Nobody winds up like this unless they were bullied as a kid for shit that was probably outside of their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:24 AM
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Sure, in the same sense that the only women who struggle with commitment are the ones that offer literally nothing but sex. After all, it’s literally impossible for the bar to be set too high, so anybody who fails to meet it is just shit. I’m
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:19 AM
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If we’re going to work off of a “they failed, so it must be due to them being garbage rather than the bar being too high”, then all the women who disagree with OP are coping with the “fact” (unless you admit that the bar can be unreasonably high) that these women offer literally nothing but sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:15 AM
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Poor social skills and inceldom are a chicken-and-the-egg situation, and I would argue that the vast majority of poor social skills are a result of childhood rejection. In fact, I would argue most "lone wolfs" are just giving themselves sour grapes copium to deal with consecutive years of social exclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:10 PM
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Let's view dating as a prisoner's dilemma, where trust represents putting net happiness within the relationship first, and betrayal represents putting self-interest first. When both parties trust, there's a functional relationship. When only one party trusts, you get simping. The Red Pill posits that the post-sexual revolution western world teaches women to betray, and men to trust. Obviously there are outliers who self-teach the inverse, but mainstream cultural insituitions have been upholding …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:49 PM
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Literally every single testimony from a Trans man on the subject agrees with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:34 PM
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Because that "advice" relies on being bland and non-specific. They're made by people who live in crippling fear that if they gave actually actionable advice, they could take a hit to their credibility if the advice turns out to be bullshit. So instead they just make it as vague and generic as possible, so that they can respond to every "I tried that and it didn't work" with "wow you must be a fucking retard" instead of actually elaborating on the advice and being more specific than "try more". T…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:07 PM
2

If "have you tried improving your personality" isn't used as a "have you tried not being sad" cop-out, then explain what improving your personality means.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:23 AM
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"One Click away" Give us the link then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 03:23 AM
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You know gamblers are actually pretty responsible with restraint. After all, they always manage to stop right after they hit it big.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:46 PM
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People don't become like this for no reason. When you're bullied for years in school (usually for things that you have no control over), it gets drilled into your head that nobody wants to have anything to do with you. You become bitter and crazy. This doesn't just go away when school ends - That programming stays with you for the rest of your life. It's completely understandable why someone would dive right into the incel cringe shit when you think nobody wants to have anything to do with you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:25 PM
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Job's are actually fairer because you can give a job out of pity or as some sort of welfare/disability thing and it'll work out, the same can't be said for romantic experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:53 AM
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Posting the full writeup it's from would probably get me banned, but there's a passage that's fairly relevant. The USA has developed a new solution to pacifying young men that does not depend on marriage, children, love, community, business ownership, or ownership of a little plot of land to call their own. The new solution is drugs, pornography, videogames, junk food, and social media. So far, it appears to have worked to sedate the young men. Even the angriest young men are so physically unfit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:49 AM
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People don't become like this for no reason. When you're bullied for years in school (usually for things that you have no control over), it gets drilled into your head that nobody wants to have anything to do with you. You become bitter and crazy. This doesn't just go away when school ends - That programming stays with you for the rest of your life. It's completely understandable why someone would dive right into the /pol/ cringe shit when you think nobody wants to have anything to do with you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 04:46 AM
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People don't become like this for no reason. When you're bullied for years in school (usually for things that you have no control over), it gets drilled into your head that nobody wants to have anything to do with you. You become bitter and crazy. This doesn't just go away when school ends - That programming stays with you for the rest of your life. It's completely understandable why someone would dive right into the /pol/ cringe shit when you think nobody wants to have anything to do with you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 04:20 AM
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Sociopaths in general are evidence of this not working, I could bring up thousands of cult leaders, scam artists, and crooked politicians if you still have unflinching faith in the social free market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 03:13 PM
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I wish I was a message board mod instead of a babysitter for angry ITjerks who had to be constantly monitored for rude behavior and badattitudes. If you mean IT as in the job and not r/IncelTear, then you're making a lot of assumptions about these guys instantly jumping to manosphere stuff the moment they hit puberty rather than being pushed there. Because, and let’s be perfectly transparent here, they assumed theycould just use hacks and cheat codes on human beings instead of doingthe work. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 02:55 AM
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I worked two years in IT. No, they didn't. They never made friends inside a mixed social group, they pored over manosphere blogs in search of cheat codes for pussy. How to hack women. How to gamify dating. They never liked women because they never bothered to make female friends. Objectification from the first day their dick popped up at 13. Working two years modding a community that cherrypicks rage-filled venting does not make you qualified to diagnose that incels are the way they are because …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 01:00 AM
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That implies that the free market of social rejection and acceptance is 100% rational without any market failures, and Ted Bundy can attest to this very much not being the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 12:48 AM
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"Not working on the issue" is never the root cause of an issue. Not working on issues can lead to inefficienctly trying to resolve the symptoms of said issues, but sometimes there are root causes that are just too big to be treated with self-care. In this case, social rejection is most likely the source of the self-esteem issues and it helps to reinforce said issues. This idea that the "free market" of social acceptance and rejection is 100% rational without any dumb prejudices or psychological …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 12:42 AM
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I honestly think most losers start off like this: Try to make friends as a kid coming in with a bad starting position Other kids haven't been taught that you're supposed to pretend to care about the downtrodden and unfortunate Overwhelming majority of the kids give you responses ranging from a polite decline to the adolescent social cue equivalent of "fuck off" You lack any agency to approach it as a numbers game, so you probably spend several years with these same classmates as a perpetual voye…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:00 AM
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men get the same shit food, and have to pay for the privilege. Edit for those lurking archives: The orginal comment was one of those "the food is all garbage" responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:58 PM
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The person selling you the car isn't a faceless NPC, they are a real person who is just as subject to moral judgement within hypotheticals as anybody else. For the third time now: The morality of a person running a scam is independent of how easily the mark gets scammed. You have consistently dodged the question of "is selling someone on a product you know to be far more dangerous than you make it out to be indirectly harming them", so I want to cut to the core. Do you believe easily manipulated…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 02:43 AM
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Bleach companies are held liable if someone drinks from it and there wasn't a "DO NOT CONSUME" label, even before you get to the dozens of other disclaimers that commonly exist on toys or various cleaning agents because a company got sued over it and the plaintiff won. Find me one time a company's defense lawyer successfully argued "Your Honor, what kind of idiot doesn't know that you're not supposed to drink bleach" in that kind of case. If Peggy Hill gave this advice knowingly, would you consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 11:17 PM
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Theyre stupid, and those are the people who lose the lawsuits Companies that fail to disclose the risks associated with using their product lose lawsuits to those people all the time, and let me remind you, you're on the side of "shut up about the risks, nobody cares about the risks because they're avoidable if you look up something that the layman doesn't even know about" Don't bother getting a car if you're gonna be that stupid. I am not discussing the intelligence of the customer, I am discus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 09:54 PM
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The government gives measures to avoid alimony with prenups And the brand offers cars without the spikes if you special order them, this has already been factored into the hypothetical Do you constantly make uninformed choices for yourself? Is it ethical for people who just learned to never crash into the spike or got a spike-less model to talk about the brand of cars as though they're safe? Obviously there are caution-minded people who will trust but verify when they're recommended to buy from …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 07:11 PM
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In this case the "brand" represents Federal marriage laws in America. There's nothing that can justify spikes being the default until you specifically ask for them to be removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 05:38 PM
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Yes and in the case where this brand has a monopoly on all cars in America, do consumers have a right to be upset about the situation? Is death proportional to the sin of not doing research about something that is advertised worldwide as perfectly safe?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 05:11 PM
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If the spikes are standard issue for all cars from a brand, and removed spikes are special order, then the brand fucking hates it's consumers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:55 PM
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LOL at how stupid driving is! Why bother driving if you need to wear a seat and have an airbag! It's a sign we need to abolish driving! There's a difference between belaboring that cars will fuck you up if you're going at 60 mph and come to a sudden stop and complaining about a specific model of car that has fucking spikes pointed towards the driver to maximize bodily harm for anybody who isn't wearing a seatbelt or one who's seatbelt fails them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:36 PM
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I don't care about the assertion you were replying to, I just think your counter-assertion is complete nonsense, so I spent 30 seconds voicing my issues with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 08:09 PM
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I just think lonely people are entitled to the same sympathies that poor people have. To say that social success or failure is based on nothing but moral virtue you would have to make the same leaps in logic as someone who says financial success is based purely on one's willingness to work hard combined with their talent. My main problem is that "Ew! A lonely person!" is magnitudes more accepted than "Ew! A poor person!", and I believe it reveals that normal people are just as prejudiced against…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 07:45 PM
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I don't believe women are shit as a group and never said so, so if you want to defend your original assertion you're going to have to actually defend it instead of changing the subject by putting words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 07:37 PM
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This sounds like a textbook example of Just World Fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:28 PM
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At their core both revolve around convincing the other party that their life/business would be better with you in it, and if you don't have any universally valued virtues to sell yourself with, you have no choice but to gamble on charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:23 PM
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Average people have jobs, therefore poverty is not an issue at all Then go out and get a job. Don't expect everything to fall into your lap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 05:13 AM
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I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about the companionship that can only be gained from a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:02 AM
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Endless hours of slacking off makes them lazy and cuts into their time to do good able bodied work. The comparison hasn't been broken yet Then their outcomes are primarily determined by external factors (genetics, parents money) when most have more agency You pretending these people have omnipotence if they would just bootstrap harder is exactly why I made the rich person comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:31 AM
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Do poor people seem allergic to effort from the perspective of a rich person that fervently believes the Free Market is just?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:15 AM
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Trouble dating encompasses a lot more than being in a relationship, just as poverty extends beyond unemployment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:56 PM
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Shit, I should have realized before I rolled out of bed and told myself "I have been incredibly well socialized, and have been continuously welcomed and accepted within mainstream ideologies and social groups, but I feel like joining a fringe ideology full of people who are shunned because Satan told me it's the cool thing to do", if I ever have a son I'll make sure to tell him that psychological needs don't exist and there's nothing wrong with living on the brink of death so long as he doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:50 PM
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If 49.99% of young men weren't getting laid you'd still be technically right in saying that most men get laid, but it'd be disengenuous to pretend that a 30% rate of poverty by [x] metric means most citizens are doing fine so who gives a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:40 PM
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And were you trying to convince someone who will never get happiness that other people get to have it or trying to convince a cynic that there is goodness in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 12:44 AM
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"Happiness exists. I'm sorry you will never be happy but..." is not something you say to a person in a bad place mentally that you hope may one day find happiness, it's something you say to someone who has no hope of finding happiness regardless of what happens to their mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 12:27 AM
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Going "I'm sorry you will never experience" instead of "I'm sorry you haven't experienced it" makes it clear that this was more of a roast than a discussion in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:51 PM
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Someone can't rely on a single other person to cure their loneliness. That lies with them themselves. If you have a lot of fat, you can survive weeks of starvation subsisting on it, just as someone who has had previously successful relationships can reminisce on them when they're panicking about the prospect of never finding permanent love. Stop thinking your experiences with a dry spell are 1:1 with people who have never gotten anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 12:45 AM
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People have yet to catch on that telling socially unsuccessful people they're just not trying hard enough is just as enraging as telling the same thing to financially unsuccessful people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 12:32 AM
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Because men approach women more often than women approach men, so the layman assumes that when someone is in a couple it's because a man met the woman's standards rather than the other way around. So a sexually promiscuous man can pass the standards of countless women while a sexually promiscuous woman has countless men who pass her standards. You guys can either even out this dynamic or accept that reaping all the benefits of guys having to approach first comes with downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 10:47 PM
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"Don't see women as people" is a few steps removed from "women who devalue themselves for an orgasm while getting zero commitment are not marriage material", even if you could use the latter to infer the former given limited information about the other party. My issue is that you don't have limited information since he has demonstrated a clear willingness to elaborate on his stance, so the least you could do on a DEBATE SUB is try to ask some probing questions before you start shitflinging.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 09:30 PM
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In this argument you're essentially saying "you believe it's immoral yet you want to do it", except you emphasize him being unable and imply him calling it immoral is just sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 09:26 PM
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"You are big mad because you wanted to [do pleasurable yet immoral act]" doesn't emphasize moral hypocrisy, it emphasizes the other party being emasculated by failure. There is moral hypocrisy within the sentence, but it takes a backseat to the accusation that the other party is venting anger that turned out to be nonexistent. The only way you could've been solely trying to argue on moral grounds is if you've just developed a subconscious habit of trying to demean the other party in every argume…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 07:23 PM
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Accusing someone of being mad because they wanted to do [x] but can't isn't a moral attack. It can be if [x] is inherently immoral, but that way of phrasing the argument is 100% about making the other party look and feel worthless. If you were making a moral attack you would've emphasized why it's immoral to do [x] rather than how mad he is about being unable to do [x].
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 03:04 PM
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But you are big mad because you wanted to bang hot chicks without committing... Are you telling me that this was you attacking him on moral grounds and had nothing to do with trying to win the argument through shaming tactics?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:38 AM
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You accused him of being salty that he wanted to do it but couldn't, he said that he already has done it, so you hamstered by pretending your original claim was a moral argument that he was a bad person for wanting to do it rather than an argument that his judgement was clouded by rage over not being able to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 06:16 PM
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Women have been killed and sexually assaulted in PUBLIC without any help. More often than people have been struck by lightning? Until the statistic is lower than 1 in 6 women being raped, you can take your advice for yourself. 19% of rapes are committed by a stranger and I'd like to see you cite something with reliable methodology
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 05:22 AM
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This is a chicken and the egg argument, I made a case for how women have the means to change things if they're so unhappy about it and you made a case for how men have the means to change things if they're so unhappy about it. But imo your argument is inconsistent because comparing casual sex to committed relationships is apples to oranges, and I think my argument is generally strengthened relative to yours by the fact that anti-slut shaming movements are far more massive and institutionally-bac…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 02:04 AM
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Women know they’re in high demand so why should/would they approach men when men will do it anyway/out of desperation As I explained this lock and key analogy is the natural consequence of women refusing to approach. If they are unhappy with the tradeoff they're free to start approaching, but until they do so they have no right to complain about the fact that actions have consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 12:00 AM
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That "A lock that can be opened by any key is worthless, a key that can open any lock is priceless" thing is the direct result of men being the ones who have to approach. As a woman having a high N-count means you have low standards, and therefore are probably low value, as a man it means that you're good at meeting women's standards, and therefore objectively high value. Women can even this out, or grow up and accept that you can't reap the rewards of never having to be the ones that approach w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 09:21 PM
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Patriarchy is yet another motte and bailey trick. The motte is that patriarchy is the existence of different gender roles in our society and the ways in which they are treated differently. The bailey is that patriarchy is men having power over women. If you allow people to switch between these and their connotations willy-nilly, then you enable all sorts of mischief. Whenever men complain about anything, you say “Oh, things are bad for men? Well, that sounds like a gender role. Patriarchy’s faul…
/r/MensRights22/03/22 07:42 AM
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There is literally no other group you could get away with pulling this kind of generalization on.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 07:38 AM
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Feminism is the ideology that claims gender equality is best achieved through specific methodologies that tend to focus on women's rights over other men's rights. The claim that all attempts at gender equality are feminist is analogous to an anarcho-socialist claiming that all attempts at freedom are socialist or an anarcho-capitalist claiming that all attempts at freedom are capitalist, as there are multiple perspectives on which means can most quickly advance society towards the same end. One …
/r/MensRights22/03/22 07:30 AM
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Loneliness is as unhealthy as a pack of cigarettes a day
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 05:33 AM
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I’m just saying that he shouldn’t be And depressed people shouldn't be depressed. I don't see how the "just be happy" comparison falls apart because you said "here are some reasons not to be depressed, you shouldn't be depressed".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 03:24 PM
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Every part of your post that isn't "this guy shouldn't be so insecure" is directly giving reasons for him not to be as though that will make any more of a difference than giving a depressed person advice about how their life isn't really that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 03:19 AM
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Do you pull out a blanket and a hot cup of coffee for every homeless guy you see? All I got a chance to do was to tell him I respected his situation, that he was in a really sucky position, that it wasn’t his fault, and that I hoped he did better. I’m sure my saying that had minimal effect on him. But maybe a history of getting to hear that message from all different people – friends, family, doctors, social workers, TV, church, whatever – all through his life – gave him enough mental fortitude …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 05:18 AM
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That "key that can open any lock/lock that can be opened by any key" analogy is the direct result of men being the ones who have to pursue. You can even out this dynamic or accept the consequences of refusing to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 09:43 PM
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The impending mortality is only half of what makes starvation suck, are you implying that being deliberately kept on the brink of death by starvation can't lead someone to steal food?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 09:24 PM
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Do you think he's asking you to become a pornstar to answer this, or do you just think your mind will be corrupted by seeing another woman's vagina?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:43 PM
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The only way you can divorce your self-image from how others seem to perceive you is through some "cognito ergo sum" bullshit where you deny the existence of everything you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:09 PM
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You never really refuted the premise, you just said "if that was true, isolation-driven downward spirals would exist" and assumed that everybody would be as uncomfortable with admitting that the world can be unfair as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:06 PM
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People are magnitudes more likely to get struck by lightning outside then I am indoors. Would you fear going outside everytime it's raining because of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 04:03 PM
1

So if I'm told by a magic genie "every time you drink a glass of milk, you must rip off a fingernail" and quit milk I just never really wanted milk?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:54 AM
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Would you rip off your own fingernail in exchange for a glass of milk or do you just not like milk?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 04:39 PM
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"The juice isn't worth the squeeze" doesn't mean "I don't like juice", it means the squeeze is so shitty it overpowers whatever good the juice had.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 06:33 AM
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Because it's almost beside the point of the full quote to the extent that it seems more like a "I learned what was wrong with men's perspective" thing than a quote that paints a comprehensive picture of an aspect of the male experience you hadn't considered. Given the way you expressed confusion at the accusation you may not have intended it to be interpreted that way, but that's the way it seemed when I wrote that comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 10:50 PM
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This is advice to solve men's issues, not an opinion that gives you insight into their perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 08:47 PM
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The tax rate for your hypothetical society is 100% until you give an actual number.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:00 PM
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suppose, in the depths of your Forever Alone misery, you make the mistake of asking why things are so unfair. Well, then Jezebel says you are “a lonely dickwad who believes in a perverse social/sexual contract that promises access to women’s bodies”. XOJane says you are “an adult baby” who will “go into a school or a gym or another space heavily populated by women and open fire”. Feminspire just says you are “an arrogant, egotistical, selfish douche bag”. And the manosphere says: “Excellent ques…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:18 AM
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Radicalizing the Romanceless continues to age like a fine wine My patient – not Henry, the one I started this whole thing off with, the one who works two minimum wage jobs and wants to know why he’s still falling behind when everyone else does so well – he wasn’t listed as a danger to himself or others, so he had the right to leave the hospital voluntarily if he wanted to. And he did, less than two days after he came in, before we’d even managed to finalize a treatment plan for him. He was worri…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:40 AM
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Men have been burned too many times by Patriarchy to take any use of it as sincerity (source for the fourth paragraph here) Whenever men complain about anything, you say “Oh, things are bad for men? Well, that sounds like a gender role. Patriarchy’s fault!” And then the next day you say “Well, since we already agreed yesterday your problem is patriarchy, the solution is take away power from men and give it to women. It’s right there in the word, patri-archy. So what we need is more feminism.” Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:22 AM
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Eventually you learn not to pay the cost of a self-esteem hit for the first date Self-esteem is yours to control, it's not realistic to expect most women to be interested in a relationship with you The worst she can do isn't decline, the worst she can do is get visibly disgusted by the prospect of a date with you Obviously failure outweighing success isn't the end of the world here, but there's no way to silence the bad thoughts of "no woman can has, or will love you" on your own. You people ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:40 AM
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I view dating as a lottery where you have to buy tickets with various tangible and intangible costs like the self-esteem hit of rejection or paying for a first date that went poorly, one where your odds of getting a winning ticket depend on whatever factors shape your SMV? I don’t think my odds are bad enough to give up, but how do you think someone who thought the odds are too steep would view those who said they just haven’t bought enough tickets?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 09:48 PM
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"It's just thrown plates nothing serious" is equivalent to "it's just a slap nothing serious"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 10:37 PM
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Don't let your happiness be defined by others No not like that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:14 PM
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How do you "treat all guns like they're loaded" nutjobs explain why I didn't die when I pointed this gun at my face, turned the safety off, and pulled the trigger? AWALT can mean "don't hand her a knife, turn your back to her, and shout 'boy I sure hope nobody stabs me in the back and takes my wallet'" deal, it just depends on whether you're dealing with Redpill as a pragmatist analysis of the dating market or Redpill as an ideology guided by said analysis. Just as "treat all guns like they're l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:38 PM
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durr human brain complicated No man has an incel switch on the back of his head, it would probably take several thousand dollars per incel in therapy fees alone for society to address them through systems. This stuff is never inconsequential My contention is that the only reason you guys aren't waking up in a cold sweat thinking about how you might get struck by lightning yet you do for incels is that the former hasn't been sensationalized. There are over a billion Chinese people. If even one in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:20 PM
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Your original point was one of these two: Incel shootings are human problems and human problems are inherently easier to solve than physics problems, in which case you're forgetting that every education system breakdown ever proves that the human mind can't be simply bent to the whims of society Incel shootings are easier to solve, and therefore it's a false equivalence. I assumed you had this to give you the benefit of the doubt. My point is that the difference in how easily each is changed doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:18 AM
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So you admit that it's an inconsequential number of deaths and that anyone who genuinely fears lightning strikes is hysteric. Now what does that make people who genuinely fear incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:27 PM
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Are you genuinely afraid of dying from a lightning strike?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 03:42 AM
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When you exist in a world where everyone is loved, accepted, and happy, you protect it because acknowledging otherwise threatens your sense of self. You're better off thinking that someone's lonely because they're a terrible person rather than entertaining the possibility that good people can end up lonely for a lot of reasons. Lonely people barely exist to normal people and when they're faced with understanding them, its easier to attribute their character to personal faults as opposed to the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:29 AM
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You deserve to be condemned to dying alone (unless you spend several years repeatedly destroying your own social circle making embarassing mistakes trying to self-teach social skills teehee) because you were cowardly as a child Support life sentences (with 5 year parole assuming prison doesn't negatively shape you mentally teehee) for teenagers who do literally any gang activity or you're a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:15 PM
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There are few if any incels who were made by some 10 year old rolling out of bed and saying "My peers have consistently done everything in their power to reinforce my self-esteem and have never done anything to diminish it, but as I am psychotic sadist who was literally spawned by Satan, I shall do everything in my power to attack them."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:02 PM
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There were over 300 killed by lightning strikes between 2007 and 2017 in the UNITED STATES ALONE, would you consider those serious problems that we need to restructure society to address?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:52 PM
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I don't think it's remotely a stretch to say that the Duluth model has probably driven at least one man to suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:47 PM
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I wonder if getting told "sounds like a you problem lol" at every possible turn would increase or decrease bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:45 PM
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I will have to use virginity statistics as a proxy for the harder-to-measure romancelessness statistics, but these are bad enough. It's still more substantive than pure anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:07 AM
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At the start of the seventh section: I will have to use virginity statistics as a proxy for the harder-to-measure romancelessness statistics, but these are bad enough. In high school each extra IQ point above average increases chances of male virginity by about 3%. 35% of MIT grad students have never had sex, compared to only 20% of average nineteen year old men. Compared with virgins, men with more sexual experience are likely to drink more alcohol, attend church less, and have a criminal histo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:48 AM
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You could have literally hundreds of anecdotes and it would be meaningless without stats like OPs. There are over a billion Chinese people. If even one in a thousand is a robber, you can provide one million examples of Chinese robbers to appease the doubters. Most people think of stereotyping as “Here’s one example I heard of where the out-group does something bad,” and then you correct it with “But we can’t generalize about an entire group just from one example!” It’s less obvious that you may …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 05:22 AM
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There are very few if any incels who were made by some 10 year old rolling out of bed and saying "My peers have consistently done everything in their power to reinforce my self-esteem and have never done anything to diminish it, but as I am psychotic sadist who was literally spawned by Satan, I shall do everything in my power to attack them."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:36 PM
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I'm assuming that we're actually trying to follow the spirit of the OP (the old being ignored vs getting unwanted attention debate) rather than following the wording in it to the letter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 06:01 AM
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Using a marriage counseling journal's survey with "over 1,000 Women" (which almost certainly means under 3000 if not under 20000) as a source doesn't really contradict my claim that we can't tell if it's just a vocal minority. t’s not about having ANYONE available to you, it’s about having people you think you are compatible with available to you. And it wasn't about having wins for that guy, it was about having wins that he felt were meaningful. I still think the analogy holds up that we can sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 12:43 AM
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Most women do not orgasm from casual sexual encounters. The ones who complain will always outweigh the ones who express happiness in situations like these, all I can say is that it's nigh-impossible not to get sexual pleasure unless there's an absolute breakdown in communication. And sex isn’t as easily attainable for all women as you lot seem to believe I don't think Chadfishing is that representative of women as a whole, but the experiments where "My 500 pound life"-tier tinder accounts got do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 12:06 AM
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They place more emphasis on their current woes than the ones they escaped, and most seem to be more upset about being invisible now than being objectified in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 11:59 PM
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You're saying that undesirable men have the same chance with women that a gay dude has with a straight dude in effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 11:31 PM
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Sex isn’t a ‘win’ for a lot of women precisely because they are used and their bodies are used for someone else’s pleasure You're still getting pleasure, it's just a hollow victory because you're not getting the commitment you really want just like the twilight zone dude gets the money but is denied the thrill he really wants from gambling. In both situations something that may have once seen as difficult to attain has become devalued in your eyes by how easily you can get it. and constantly bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 11:30 PM
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Why is a mod perpetuating the idea that women view undesirable men the same way heterosexuals view people of the same sex? I thought blackpill content was banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 10:35 PM
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People who experienced the FtM to incel pipeline are pretty qualified imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 10:25 PM
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I don't care how you frame it, that dude from the Twilight Zone who had a personal hell where he's incapable of losing and has nothing but meaningless wins has a better deal than Tantalus (the Greek mythology guy who has to spend eternity standing in a pool underneath a fruit hanging from a branch who has to watch as the water recedes every time he tries to quench his thirst and the branch sways away from him every time he tries to sate his hunger)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 10:16 PM
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That's like saying it's impossible to want someone who isn't broke without being a gold digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 08:18 PM
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Having standards that begin with the bar raised higher than yourself isn't the same as being willing to date someone who is better than you in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 03:59 AM
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I suppose China could also be included in my definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 03:39 AM
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There are men who self-teach cheating and women who self-teach trusting I literally included this to clarify that this wasn't a 100% thing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 06:20 PM
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And I would say that those people are either looking at third world countries or the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 04:07 AM
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The only thing I would say the Red Pill is definite about on this is that if we view dating as a prisoner's dilemma, men are being raised to "trust" (putting the other party first), and women are being raised to "cheat" (putting oneself first). There are of course men who self-teach cheating and women who self-teach trusting, but generally men are told that there is everything wrong with cheating, and women are told that they deserve to cheat. The Red Pill is about giving men the tools to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 02:23 AM
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Any time you assert that it is a problem to someone that doesn't already agree with you, you are trying to persuade them. This persuasion becomes more difficult when the name is polarizing and off-putting. If you've never seen such an argument, it's because you either frequent echochambers or the people you do see already understand that it's a bad idea to come right out the gate saying masculinity is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 02:22 AM
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And any argument where you try to convince people to fight toxic masculinity is more polarizing than just saying people should fight all of the toxic practices you believe the term to be a proxy for. I understand that feminist academics believe unhealthy expressions of masculinity to be at the root of several problems, but trying to address all of them at once by neutering masculinity is a far more uphill battle than trying to address them individually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 11:52 PM
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That’s not what you said and also that’s not what I said in the quote either From what I can tell the sentence is "obviously they don't [assume men are the perpetrator] based on their interactions with male abusers", which might as well be "they don't practice the duluth model". I probably should have used "Not used in practice" instead of never (especially since I used the word literally), but the point remains that you used a couple of anecdotes of male abusers getting away with shit to refute…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 11:42 PM
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Men take offense to describing a gender-exclusive thing as bad because it's basically an indirect attack on men as a whole. By saying that you don't care how others perceive your argument or saying "you're just too dumb/angry to get it", you're admitting you have no interest in persuading people with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 06:26 PM
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Obviously they don’t based on their interactions with male abusers. You literally state the Duluth model is never used in practice I mean that’s what he was saying, I was just clarifying because it’s a crazy thing to say He was saying that male victims are arrested instead of female abusers in female abuser situations The fuck are you saying? That's the only reading I can get out of "ok but they don't arrest anybody"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 06:24 PM
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You say that none of the guys ever calls the cops on her Teflon brings up the Duluth model and how men are assumed to be the perpetrator You deny the existence of the Duluth model based on anecdotal evidence of men getting away with abuse, then sarcastically ask if male victims are arrested instead of male abusers Teflon explains that a man will generally be arrested regardless of whether he was the perpetrator or not You say that doesn't matter because nobody was arrested, implying that the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:49 PM
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Toxic Masculinity will always set off more "this is some misandrist shit isn't it" alarm bells than "male gender roles bad" because it's literally [negative] [man-exclusive concept]
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:40 PM
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When a man has a high N-count, it indicates he passed the vetting of a lot of women. When a woman has a high N-count, it indicates a lot of men pass her vetting. You have two options to deal with this double standard: Equalize the amount of women and men making approaches, so that it will be unclear what a high N-count represents accomplishment-wise You made your bed, now lie in it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 06:55 AM
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Male victims don't call the cops because the Duluth Model means they stand a good chance of being perceived as the abuser Female abusers don't call the cops because they already have the upper hand and don't see any point in bringing in a ref to break up the fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 06:50 AM
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No grown adult who speaks English as their first language thinks it's impressive to know the meaning of "data". I used the word "data" because I liked the way that sentence flowed more than "Every time toxic masculinity gets brought up, there's a misunderstanding."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 06:31 AM
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I don't have a link to any gathered data, hence why I said "possibly gathered" hypothetically speaking. The only people I've ever seen being on the same page as feminists when it comes to "toxic masculinity" are those who are already into feminist theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 07:46 PM
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Just call it bad male gender roles. If you can’t comprehend the concept of modifiers, you don’t get to lecture people on language This isn't about grammar or language. Literally every single bit of data you could have possibly gathered on "does Toxic Masculinity effectively communicate to third parties that it's about gender roles, and not men in general being awful" gives a resounding no.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 06:39 PM
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Yes, hence why I said that a small amount of delusion is perfectly healthy here or there when you subconsciously know you need that delusion. But the longer you go with continuous failure, the more delusion that belief requires, and the more difficult it becomes to sustain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 06:37 PM
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Yes and I'm saying that not only am I not the kind of person your comment was directed towards, but that person doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 06:36 PM
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How many times do people have to get turned away by the phrase "toxic masculinity" before you guys stop using it? The impetus isn't on the people you're trying to sway to think more like you, it's on you to use a phrase that's less divisive if you actually care about getting them on your side and not just shaming them. I know that the first person to ever think that male gender roles might be harmful called it toxic masculinity, but it's safe to say that some rebranding is in order if you ever w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 06:31 PM
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Confidence without a track record is delusion. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of self-induced delusion for situations like ensuring that you follow-through once you're already committed to taking a risk, but most people here have a limited capacity to self-induce delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 06:26 PM
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This is probably a response to the people who cite Maslow's Pyramid so I think I should clarify for OP that Maslow's Pyramid is not about human rights, it's about how humans prioritize getting shit that they lack, and how badly their lack of something hurts them. Safety is above Physiological because humans will consistently endanger their safety to fulfill physiological needs, because lack of external threats aren't as important as sustenance. Similarly Esteem and Self-Actualization are both ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 06:19 PM
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Target audience for your comment. As in that is the group your comment was directed towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 05:01 PM
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You can just stop doing the behavior This directly implies that your target audience was people who are engaged in the behavior but oppose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:31 AM
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Literally nobody here hates that shit but does it to fit in. We're discussing how to stop that shit from propagating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:32 PM
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Everybody here already thinks we need to stop. "Join with the people saying we need to stop" implies you should join in on attacking "toxic masculinity"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 09:48 PM
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If you cared you would join with the people saying we need to stop. How isn't this saying "trust feminists to deal with your problems, we have a great track record for addresing things that don't effect women but severely affect men"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 09:18 PM
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Men are getting tired of playing this game. Patriarchy is yet another motte and bailey trick. The motte is that patriarchy is the existence of different gender roles in our society and the ways in which they are treated differently. The bailey is that patriarchy is men having power over women. If you allow people to switch between these and their connotations willy-nilly, then you enable all sorts of mischief. Whenever men complain about anything, you say “Oh, things are bad for men? Well, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 08:15 PM
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But if we are talking together, between me and you as two human beings who's definition of morality is not imposing harm unto others, and we can deduce that based upon our own morality we can expect our INDIVIDUAL stances to apply toward ourselves regardless of others definitions, then I don't see the need to point out something so trivial and technical in a purposeful attempt to disregard my point. Whether or not you can be held morally liable for stuff as indirect as "you promoted [x] ideology…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 06:11 PM
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How many times do people have to get turned away by the phrase "toxic masculinity" before you guys stop using it. The impetus isn't on the people you're trying to sway to think more like you, it's on you to use a phrase that's less divisive if you actually care about getting them on your side and not just shaming them. I know that the first person to ever think that male gender roles might be harmful called it toxic masculinity, but it's safe to say that some rebranding is in order if you ever w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 06:01 PM
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The issue isn't that they were going to execute Chen Sheng, it's that once his execution had indirectly been scheduled by the bad weather, those he rebelled against had nothing to threaten him with. Every time someone is shamed for espousing misogyny, it is an indirect threat that the other person should change course lest they lose the respect of women or that the group they represent may have it's reputation tarnished, and virgins have nothing to lose in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:10 AM
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And there are plenty of "Alpha-Males" who prefer cold showers, but most people would agree that having showers with warm water are part of humane living conditions during the winter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 09:48 PM
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Monke brain prioritize companionship in living conditions that most believe to be in violation of human rights over isolation in humane living conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:19 PM
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These kinds of men blame feminism, the economy, society, dating apps etc on the fact that they can’t get laid. Never is it THEIR problem, it’s everyone and everything else’s problem. Most become like this because there's literally nothing you can post which will satisfy the "you haven't tried hard enough" crowd. No matter how hard you've tried, no matter how good your track record, they can always find some way that you should've tried harder or been better, no matter how unrealistic. Or when re…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:50 PM
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Skip to step 4: repeated tournament of this Most Redpillers believe themselves to be Copycats using that prisoner's dilemma scenario as analogy, they spent a good deal of their childhood playing trustfully, but they know better than to reciprocate distrust with trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:45 PM
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Day 2000 of seeing shit easily refuted by a 7 year old blogpost I know that feminists are not always the biggest fans of evolutionary psychology. But I feel like it takes a special level of unfamiliarity with the discipline to ask “Sure, evolution gave us an innate desire for material goods, but why would it give us an deep innate desire for pair-bonding and reproduction??!” But maybe a less sarcastic response would be to point out Harry Harlow’s monkey studies. These studies – many of them so s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:37 PM
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He meant literal involuntary celibates, and you meant people who frequent incel communities. Back to the point, when was the last time any woman called out another woman for being shitty to virgins? Chen Sheng was an officer serving the Qin Dynasty, famous for their draconian punishments. He was supposed to lead his army to a rendezvous point, but he got delayed by heavy rains and it became clear he was going to arrive late. The way I always hear the story told is this: Chen turns to his friend …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:32 PM
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How long did it take feminists to identify TERFS and expel them? How long have "true feminists" been dragging their feet on doing the same for feminist misandrists?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:25 PM
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We're agreed on that, now: Care to link to the stories of women getting fired for being critical of or making generalities about men? Edit: you don't need to respond to me and Im_The_Daiquiri_Man seperately
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 06:31 AM
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Cool you defended the practice of firing men for sexism being commonplace. Now stay on topic and defend the inverse being rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 06:14 AM
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Didn't expect to see the elderly here, but I don't suppose there are rules against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:59 AM
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"Penises are not keys and vaginas are not locks" goes into "let me explain how an analogy works for you" territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 07:15 AM
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The message is that being sexually promiscuous as a man is an indicator that he's a skilled seducer, whereas being sexually promiscuous as a woman is an indicator that she doesn't set boundaries and/or has low standards. The only way this stops being true is if women approach men as often as men approach women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 07:12 AM
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Women are focused on refining their vetting to avoid LVM and men are focused on refining their approach so that they can pass said vetting. So long as this applies to the majority of people, the analogy holds up imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 07:08 AM
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This isn't about Barry not being treated well by pop culture media. The fact that Barry and Henry (a pseudonym used for one patient of the author because he doesn't want to disclose things) exist within the same dating market is evidence that it is not one based on justice. We wouldn't be arguing this point if you actually read the article instead of skimming it for things to nitpick so you could use it as proof that the entire article lacks a single solid point. When I was younger – and I mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 06:31 AM
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You're free to respond however you like to that individual, the article is about what "we" should do on a broad scale to prevent the spread of the blackpill given that incels continue to spread their ideology as a forbidden fruit even after being censored and made pariahs. Barry is possibly the most feminist man who has ever existed, palpably exudes respect for women, and this is well-known in every circle feminists frequent. He is reduced to apophatic complaints about how sad he is that he does…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 01:54 AM
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This isn't about if incels deserve to be rewarded. This is about whether you want to maximize or minimize the number of men who hit a low enough point that the blackpill looks viable. Believe it or not it's very difficult to whitepill someone by ruining their livelihood and/or using insults intended to chip away at their self-esteem. That's why it's called "Radicalizing the Romanceless" and not "Punishing the saintly paragons of virtue"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 01:34 AM
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Sweet we're back to you saying things directly refuted in the article I didn’t get a chance to give him any medication – not that it would have helped that much. All I got a chance to do was to tell him I respected his situation, that he was in a really sucky position, that it wasn’t his fault, and that I hoped he did better. I’m sure my saying that had minimal effect on him. But maybe a history of getting to hear that message from all different people – friends, family, doctors, social workers,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 11:02 PM
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I always disliked the "All it takes is one yes" claim. Women tend to gravitate towards men who are liked by other women, and if you've only got one "yes", she's probably not giving you a strong "yes". Also, it puts guys in a very scarce mindset. If you only have one "yes", then a guy can get clingy and worried about losing her. This can cause him to put up with a lot of shit that he shouldn't put up with in a relationship. It can shift the balance of power to her. And if it's not working out, he…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 06:37 AM
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Saying that the entire article lacks a single argument because several points use anecdotal evidence to illustrate ideas that are themselves backed by being logically sound is absurd. Anyways here's a few examples of what people who call themselves feminists say about suicidally depressed young men, and a reminder that he cited several high-profile feminist publications.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 04:35 AM
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I've mainly been quoting stuff because you keep on making arguments that he went out of his way to preemptively respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 05:39 PM
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We will now perform an ancient and traditional Slate Star Codex ritual, where I point out something I don’t like about feminism, then everyone tells me in the comments that no feminist would ever do that and it’s a dirty rotten straw man. And then I link to two thousand five hundred examples of feminists doing exactly that, and then everyone in the comments No-True-Scotsmans me by saying that that doesn’t count and those people aren’t representative of feminists. And then I find two thousand fiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 03:43 PM
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The literal next passage adresses this. This also serves to illuminate what I think is the last and most important difference between Penny’s experience and Aaronson’s experience. When Penny bares her suffering to the world for all to hear about, she gets sympathy, she gets praised as compassionate, she gets published in important magazines whose readers feel sorry for her and acknowledge that her experience sucks. When Aaronson talks about his suffering on his own blog, he gets Amanda Marcotte.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 03:54 AM
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It's explained earlier in the article. And this is more than a little weird, because the actual nerds I know in real life tend to be more like Scott Aaronson, who is spending less time feeling entitled to sex, and more time asking his doctor if there’s any way to get him castrated because his sexual desire might possibly offend a woman. Or more like me, who got asked out by a very pretty girl in middle school and ran away terrified because he knew nobody could actually like him and it was obviou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 08:23 PM
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Untitled is a sort of follow-up by the same author that does a good job of tearing down the idea of nerd/incel/beta/LVM/whatever entitlement The past is over. I do not hold, and have never held, any ill will toward the women who rejected me. Some of them continue to be my close friends. Some of them I’ve talked to about this Scott Aaronson thing, and even they agree with me on it. Nor did Aaronson mention any ill will to anyone who rejected him. Talking about how nerds should let go of our past …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 04:42 AM
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[Simping] is the obvious definition of abuse of power differentials inherent in things like statutory rape, or bosses sleeping with subordinates, or messing with the disabled, except nobody calls out women who similarly take blindingly horrible advantage of men who would give anything for them because he has no experience, no one else, and no social protection. Coming into [incel spaces], where thousands of men have no experience with romance or boundaries or healthy relationships, and promising…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:14 AM
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There are over a billion Chinese people. If even one in a thousand is a robber, you can provide one million examples of Chinese robbers to appease the doubters. Most people think of stereotyping as “Here’s one example I heard of where the out-group does something bad,” and then you correct it with “But we can’t generalize about an entire group just from one example!” It’s less obvious that you may be able to provide literally one million examples of your false stereotype and still have it be a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:54 AM
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When you break down their position to the most basic aspects, most Red Pillers see the dating game as a prisoner's dilemma where boys are raised to trust and girls are raised to distrust. There are some men who self-teach distrust and women who self-teach trust within this analogy, but the current generation was raised for men to trend towards trust and women to trend towards distrust. Some believe that they can incentivize women in general to start trusting more (skip to step 4: repeated tourna…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:44 AM
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You found time to reply to the one made two hours ago but not the one 3 hours ago, obviously the 3 hours old one is at the bottom of your to-do list, and was moved below new comments on at least one occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:38 AM
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Judging by the lack of replies to this comment and the reply to the one right below, it seems like /u/lipstickmami474839 knows when to back out of a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:17 AM
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Earl Silverman's blood is absolutely on the hands of the general group that FDS belongs to in the same sense that incel killers you're citing are in the same general group as TRP. And in fact I would argue that this is worse than any sort of Elliot Rodgers scenario given that he chose his targets by convenience whereas Silverman was singled out for trying to open a male domestic abuse shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 04:38 AM
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from what I can see most of them have adopted that sort of outlook in response to society giving men an ancap-tier "fuck you, got mine" whenever they ask for any sort of address to their problems. To those who agree with OP here, describe how this outlook is contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:24 PM
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But this isn't about telling others to avoid something you've partaken it, it's about telling others to endure something you haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:19 PM
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You're telling them to focus on self-improvement. If it doesn't improve their condition then it by definition isn't improvement. Or to avoid the accusation that I'm putting words in your mouth, if the goal is yourself, what reason is there to avoid "the lazy trap"? The only real answer is that it turns off women, and most of the guys consciously turning to "the lazy trap" feel like they don't have anything to lose in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 09:44 PM
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Why the fuck would you say nobody cares about something then spend the next sentence complaining about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 04:00 AM
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The tax rate is 95% for every cent above $100K the purposes of illustrating a point, nobody actually thinks any government would institute it outside of absurd scenarios It's the same deal here. I'm legitimately impressed by your inability to comprehend that hypothetical scenarios can have unrealistic parameters to demonstrate a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 12:46 AM
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They already do comparisons between him and Beast getting the girl after straight-up kidnapping her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 05:34 AM
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The hypothetical guy earns $100K a year already The tax rate is 95% for every cent above $100K the purposes of illustrating a point, nobody actually thinks any government would institute it outside of absurd scenarios His boss offers him at $100K raise to work twice as hard He declines because in practice, he would get a 5% raise for working twice as hard after 95% of that raise was taxed The government effectively lost however much money they could've taxed if the tax rate were low enough that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 05:28 AM
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Nah the only way that makes sense is if they're factoring in women who die widows or are saying lesbians die alone more often than gay dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 06:28 AM
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That depends on your libido but imo 1:1 is the threshold between relieving stress/horniness and being a coomer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 11:28 PM
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I've started measuring how healthy people are by taking how many times they brush their teeth a week and dividing it by the amount of times they masturbate in the same week.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:01 PM
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I always see people mentioning this Karen but I still don't know who she is. Is she an actor?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:00 PM
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I thought we're supposed to stop treating the other gender as a monolith?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 09:25 PM
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Radicalizing the Romanceless gave you an answer to use half a decade ago and you guys are still ignoring it so you can go back to taking joy out of mocking incels. My patient – not Henry, the one I started this whole thing off with, the one who works two minimum wage jobs and wants to know why he’s still falling behind when everyone else does so well – he wasn’t listed as a danger to himself or others, so he had the right to leave the hospital voluntarily if he wanted to. And he did, less than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 09:18 PM
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If you guys can come up with the phrase TERF and expel that group from your communities within a decade, you should've been able to do the same for misandrists within half a century.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:46 PM
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The best anti-redpill comedic material bluepillers have is "Skyrim man eats 50 wheels of cheese mid-fight, and it's funny because fights don't work that way" tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:43 PM
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Referring to a post holding a mirror up to you as a meltdown Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:23 PM
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Radicalizing the Romanceless shill because it's aged like a fine wine in regards to the thread topic: My patient – not Henry, the one I started this whole thing off with, the one who works two minimum wage jobs and wants to know why he’s still falling behind when everyone else does so well – he wasn’t listed as a danger to himself or others, so he had the right to leave the hospital voluntarily if he wanted to. And he did, less than two days after he came in, before we’d even managed to finalize…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:19 PM
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I swear to god next purge week I'm commissioning some "Is Karen in the room with you right now, ms. retail worker?" comics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 05:59 AM
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It's easy for ostracization to bar one from learning social skills at a young age, and the stigma against socially inept people only grows as you get older. Though I appreciate your astute observation that people who were denied the opportunity to socially interact with peers without fearing humiliation at every turn grew up to lack the social grace of said peers, I don't accept that as proof that the former are inherently evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:14 AM
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It's easier for people to believe that lonely people deserve it because of their own failings rather than accept the fact that certain people in society just aren't equipped for life. When you exist in a world where everyone is loved, accepted, and happy, you protect it because acknowledging otherwise threatens your sense of self. You're better off thinking that someone's lonely because they're a terrible person rather than entertain the possibility that good people can end up lonely for a host …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 06:33 AM
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I hope you preach natural selection for every other issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 06:25 AM
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You deserved to develop crippling loneliness problems because you chose to have low self-confidence going into high school
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 06:24 AM
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I was attacking the idea that anybody who reacts to stimulus is a dog or child. Anyways your argument has shifted back to the old "I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" Lilith classic so I feel satisfied disengaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 09:10 PM
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If I consistently give a waiter a bigger tip when he berates me than when he treats me with respect, that waiter will think that berating me will lead to better tips. That doesn't mean the waiter is a child or a dog, that means I have implicitly informed him that acting that way will guarantee he gets what he wants, so he does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 07:11 PM
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It feels like you're holding up a worst-case scenario for finding a partner and using it to say that I should learn to live with loneliness. I don't disagree that I should be able to bail if I find myself in that worst-case scenario, but that doesn't make me any happier about the reality of my situtation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 06:24 PM
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There is a ceiling of satisfaction I've hit for enjoying life in solitude, and the only way to escape it is years of meditation and religious indoctrination or escaping solitude. I don't see what's hard to get about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 06:20 PM
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My core issue is that you draw a false dichotomy between seeking an SO and enjoying life, completely ignoring the fact that humans are social creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:57 PM
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There is absolutely a middle ground between a zen contentment with dying alone and spending every waking moment in a frantic panic to get an SO. I find the implication that I can't dislike the former without becoming the latter insulting. Just because that shit keeps me up at night doesn't mean I'm constantly ranting about it whenever I try to break the ice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:42 PM
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Telling me that I have to be comfortable with dying alone is some "YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND LIKE IT" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:06 AM
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I would argue that's no worse than an unemployed person calling someone else uninformed about the realities of the job market.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 06:31 PM
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That’s the myth! You can’t look to a girlfriend to fix your issues, sure they can help but they can’t be part of your plan. Telling people that dying alone and childless is the default and anything more than a luxury won't improve morale any more than telling them that homelessness is the default. Can leave you feeling even less loved an more unvalued than when you were single Bad food could leave me hungrier than before once I throw it up, that doesn't change the fact that I need to eat and may…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 03:40 AM
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Companionship is a psychological need and I would wager a large percentage of suicides are attributable to loneliness as a deciding factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:31 PM
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Having a girlfriend is a general net positive toward having the strength to solve one's own problems and many problems directly stem from not feeling loved or valued. Disputing this because bad relationships can do more harm than good is equivalent to using a few quacks to say that you shouldn't be reliant on doctors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:30 PM
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Love/relationships is economics It's known that you've got to have money to make money. The same applies to friends and everything else in life. If you get to zero, you have to declare bankruptcy. You can't do anything unless someone takes pity on you and helps you reboot your social life. Just "talking to people" was never the real problem. Communication, in and of itself, can encompass any useless or miserable exchange. What matters in real life is the value you bring to others. Never be retar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:49 AM
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I didn't suffer from being deprived from [x] for a few months therefore nobody would ever suffer from going decades deprived of [x] is universally dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:46 AM
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There are plenty of people who enjoy living "free" of material wealth, nobody uses that to justify poverty not being a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:44 AM
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I wasn't hungry before I ate my second meal of the day, I'm not hungry now. Therefore I won't feel any negative effects for going days without eating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:41 AM
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There are over a billion Chinese people. If even one in a thousand is a robber, you can provide one million examples of Chinese robbers to appease the doubters. Most people think of stereotyping as “Here’s one example I heard of where the out-group does something bad,” and then you correct it with “But we can’t generalize about an entire group just from one example!” It’s less obvious that you may be able to provide literally one million examples of your false stereotype and still have it be a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 12:24 AM
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"'Treat all guns like they're loaded' huh? Well what about this unloaded gun? Checkmate cowards!"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:30 PM
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There are over a billion Chinese people. If even one in a thousand is a robber, you can provide one million examples of Chinese robbers to appease the doubters. Most people think of stereotyping as “Here’s one example I heard of where the out-group does something bad,” and then you correct it with “But we can’t generalize about an entire group just from one example!” It’s less obvious that you may be able to provide literally one million examples of your false stereotype and still have it be a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 04:13 PM
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I'm just waiting for the day a lonely dude expresses frustration about his loneliness and he gets anything other than mad libbed Ayn Rand quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:50 AM
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I don't know where you heard me saying that women don't get fired for that shit, becuase it wasn't in this thread. The point is that everybody acknowledges power imbalances until it comes to socially inept people getting taken advantage of by charismatic people. Then they all develop Ayn Rand-tier attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:41 PM
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And why are acting like those situations are exclusive to men? How many fucking times do I have to say that I think this is two-ways before you'll stop having a goldfish memory? You think female managers don’t get fired for sleeping with subordinates? Just because YOU don’t hear about it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. If all the female teachers who get paternity checks from their students are anything to go by, they probably get less consequences I have no idea who Callmecarson is. He was an 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:37 PM
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How does no one see this happening in our culture? How do they get away with it? A manager sleeping with an employee is a fireable offense, a 19 year old man sleeping with a 17 year old girl has people literally calling for their gruesome death, but the capitalization on isolated men's sheer starvation of emotional comfort and experience is okay? It's girlboss? It's "consensual"? Callmecarson absolutely got death threats and had people calling for him to get a life sentence despite the fact that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:15 PM
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Please give examples if you're going to use whataboutism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:49 PM
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I hope you feel the same way about literally every other victim of scam artists, because there are some legitimately disabled/opressed dudes getting caught in this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:26 PM
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I think it's hypocritical to not examine this for what it is. The passage makes it clear that this is a two-way issue that people like /u/IntegrityDJones are pretending to be one-way
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:25 PM
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Knowingly fostering simps can be entrapment imo. This thread is the obvious definition of "abuse of power differential" inherent in things like statutory rape, or bosses sleeping with subordinates, or messing with the disabled, except nobody calls out women who similarly take blindingly horrible advantage of men who would give anything for them because he has no experience, no one else, and no social protection. Coming into a place like this, where thousands of men have no experience with romanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:01 AM
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-Man who still does everything in his power to convince his teenage son that santa is real
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 07:55 PM
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Radicalizing the Romanceless maintains relevance I will have to use virginity statistics as a proxy for the harder-to-measure romancelessness statistics, but these are bad enough. In high school each extra IQ point above average increases chances of male virginity by about 3%. 35% of MIT grad students have never had sex, compared to only 20% of average nineteen year old men. Compared with virgins, men with more sexual experience are likely to drink more alcohol, attend church less, and have a cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:34 PM
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It's known that you've got to have money to make money. The same applies to friends and everything else in life. If you get to zero, you have to declare bankruptcy. You can't do anything unless someone takes pity on you and helps you reboot your social life. Just "talking to people" was never the real problem. Communication, in and of itself, can encompass any useless or miserable exchange. What matters in real life is the value you bring to others. Never be retarded enough to think that "nice" …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 06:29 AM
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This is probably the bluepill's weakest argument. Have you ever wondered why men can't complain about sexual frustration without being defamed? This is the just world fallacy. We treat attractiveness like a moral value when it isn't. The reality of modern dating can't be the way that it is, because if it did that means manipulative assholes who think women are inferior are getting laid. And any self-professed nice guy who complains about having woman problems must not really be nice and must act…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 06:18 AM
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Mad at a group that radicalizes people by telling them they have nothing to lose ​ Tries to turn members away from the group by taking away what little is left of their livelihood as punishment for joining the group
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 04:35 AM
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The challenge of a genuine volcel*
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 04:00 AM
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How many times do you lot have to be told that "patriarchy" is and will always be awful for optics before you start using different vocabulary?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 03:02 AM
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Social anxiety that is caused by and perpetuates an inability to befriend people in their formative years for one reason or another. There are many potential causes, but I think the only important thing is that most people generally agree your life shouldn't be ruined over mistakes made in that time period so long as they don't ruin someone else's life. There's a really big blackpill write-up on r9k that I disagree with overall, but there is a segment that verbalizes the general position of most…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 11:44 PM
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My opinion has been basically forged by this old forgotten /r9k/ post. This thread is the obvious definition of "abuse of power differential" inherent in things like statutory rape, or bosses sleeping with subordinates, or messing with the disabled, except nobody calls out women who similarly take blindingly horrible advantage of men who would give anything for them because he has no experience, no one else, and no social protection. Coming into a place like this, where thousands of men have no …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 03:53 AM
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Knowing you failed to perfectly play a bad hand is better for morale than knowing you horribly failed to use an amazing hand, to use an extreme example.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 09:44 PM
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Radicalizing the Romanceless maintains relevance yet again. My patient – not Henry, the one I started this whole thing off with, the one who works two minimum wage jobs and wants to know why he’s still falling behind when everyone else does so well – he wasn’t listed as a danger to himself or others, so he had the right to leave the hospital voluntarily if he wanted to. And he did, less than two days after he came in, before we’d even managed to finalize a treatment plan for him. He was worried …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 09:30 PM
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Barry is a real person the author knows and Henry is based on a psychiatric patient he actually had.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 10:42 PM
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Radicalizing the Romanceless is aging better with every year. Barry is possibly the most feminist man who has ever existed, palpably exudes respect for women, and this is well-known in every circle feminists frequent. He is reduced to apophatic complaints about how sad he is that he doesn’t think he’ll ever have a real romantic relationship. Henry has four domestic violence charges against him by his four ex-wives and is cheating on his current wife with one of those ex-wives. And as soon as he …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 10:07 PM
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Most of the notoriety on the subject comes from this news report, where the differences in dress code are never brought up and instead complaints are made about having to put on a jumper instead of something more fashionable for the summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 11:42 PM
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The complaint was, "If I wear a suit, I'll be hot outside. If I wear a dress, I'll be cold inside." Which is basically complaining that you have the luxury to choose between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 10:07 PM
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They literally send pics by dm to dupe guys into believing that they're personalized messages and not sent out en-masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 09:37 PM
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"I don't know" is the most thoughtless response to "how common are these people you claim to be insignificantly small" you could possibly give and betrays your unwillingness to reflect on so much as your thought process, so that isn't much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 09:35 PM
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Because Onlyfans is about deliberately fostering and profiting off of parasocial relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:33 PM
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I did. You just didn't like my answer. I wasn't aware that "you need to reevaluate your life choices" was a percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:26 PM
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If feminists can push the TERFs out of their mainstream, why can't they push out the misandrists?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 06:19 PM
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I'm talking about simps, and they mostly express their loneliness by entering parasocial relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 11:33 PM
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I don't think therapy is useless, I just take offense to the implication that you can't be motivated by isolation or desperation unless therapy/friends are what you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 03:23 PM
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Learning to make friends is almost exclusively taught in a sink-or-swim manner, and there are people who "sank" throughout their teens until they could no longer endure the humiliation and stopped reaching out. I only found my high-school friends through circumstance, and I have absolutely no clue how I'm supposed to expand my friend circle or get closer to them when we're already meeting as often as our weekly schedules will allow. Every therapist I've had basically just told me platitudes and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 05:14 AM
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Imagine trying to cheer up a homeless man by telling him about how much it sucks to file taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 09:03 PM
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By saying a trait is a red flag, you are saying that people with that trait tend towards universally disliked behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 12:55 AM
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So you don't belive red flags exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 06:29 PM
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you heavily implied that it is as widespread as "you deserve better" among women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 03:39 AM
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The post seems to be about how our current legal system is: Woman doesn’t use BC or insist her partner use protection. Gets pregnant OOW. Is free to get an abortion. Man doesn’t use protection. Gets woman pregnant OOW. Is free to pay 18 years of child support or become a fugitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 06:59 AM
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Caveat: "Just be yourself!" only works for charismatic and/or servile people. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 08:55 PM
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Chad predates Karen as slang for a type of person. Chad started as basically meaning jock, but these days the meaning has shifted to mean "alpha" man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 05:41 PM
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If I waterboarded you with your favorite beverage your tastebuds would probably like it.
/r/PussyPass24/01/21 04:55 AM
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Based on a whopping sample size of two incels who are confident enough in their looks to show their face online, incels aren't ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:21 AM
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Where do you think "don't stick your dick in crazy" comes from?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 07:32 PM
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Elliot Rodgers searched for a girlfriend by being in public and waiting for women to approach him because he saw it happen to Chads. He never got buff and never tried to get "game"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 10:51 PM
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Those threads follow this description so well that it's almost scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:32 PM
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The way to cure a person of substance abuse is to take away every other comfort the person has.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 08:49 AM
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Based on the incels that are public figures who are secure enough in their looks to display their face, incels aren't ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 01:52 AM
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Yes, that is the LITERAL PREMISE OF THIS THREAD
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:55 PM
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Slut shaming exists so you may hurt a girl's reputation if you brag about having a one night stand with her, so avoid mentioning her by name if you brag about the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:11 AM
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The way people on here talk about "Karen" is hilarious I don't know if I can handle reading anymore Karen fan fiction without bursting into unontrollable laughter. She has to be the most despised, written about woman in existence on this subreddit, except she doesn't actually exist. It's slang
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 01:57 AM
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The meme is actually "I date short men, BUT IT JUST SO HAPPENS that my Husband is 6'10"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 07:37 AM
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Out of all the videos tagged by haircut that's probably a larger percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 07:26 AM
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No responses Their silence is deafening
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 07:58 PM
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Sure but it's not hypocritical to support shaming of a lifestyle and oppose shaming of a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 04:16 AM
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Calling out an apples to oranges comparison isn't hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 03:55 AM
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What do conspiracy theorists have to do with climate change awareness?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:12 AM
1

Most incels believe in sexual marxism on some level, even if they don't believe it should come from the state, which leads to most incels bearing resentment for economic leftists who constantly mock the sexual underclass.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 01:47 AM
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A lot of modern incel stuff gets into how being white is comparable to being tall to the point that JBW has become known as an acronym for "just be white", which is usually used to mock the people who unironically say that by bringing up really horribly deformed white guys. I would go further but I honestly haven't looked much into it personally and I've seen a lot of [deleted] in these threads citing Rule 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:45 PM
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You're taking for granted that everybody knows how to strike up convos beyond walking up to your kindergarten classmate and asking if they want to be your friend. It seems like everybody is expected to intuit everything else but anybody who falls through the cracks and just spends a large chunk of their formative years without ever making any friends is left without these social skills that everybody else perceives as normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 08:33 PM
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I think the funniest thing I ever heard from the incel community was jokes about how in a few centuries anything below 15 feet will be considered a manlet-tier and anything less than 3 feet will be considered dicklet-tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:49 AM
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Blue pill is basically just conscious rejection of the various pills, FDS is it's own thing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 02:34 AM
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no u
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:19 AM
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Regardless of whether his comment is correct or incorrect, what he said is relevant. Don't criticize him for being irrelevant when he directly talks about what you talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:13 AM
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Better time travel back 20 years and tell the LGBT movement that sexuality is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:04 AM
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If men hate gold diggers then women can hate sex diggers There are already women who hate sex diggers How is that relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:03 AM
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We only call the angry bitter incels, incels I'm an incel and I'm not angry or bitter. That fell apart fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 07:03 PM
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better specify low n-count instead of virgin or FDS is gonna use this to imply that our standards are in orbit
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:57 PM
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Bro why are you upset I "scammed" you, are you trying to prevent citizens from engaging in freedom of speech and free trade?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 11:01 PM
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*AHEM* Despite making up just 73% percent of the population, sex havers commit roughly 96% of the mass shootings in the United States. According to General Social Survey made for Washington Post 27% of under 30 men didn't had sex since they turned 18. According to Wikipedia 6 mass shooters in history were incels and we noted 163 mass shootings since 1967 in US. Gun Violence Archive, frequently cited by the press, defines a mass shooting as firearm violence resulting in at least four people being…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:25 AM
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If you lack pain tolerance for life kicking you while you're down, that makes you a whiner. This is why incels love Joker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:16 AM
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odd how this thread died the moment you were asked to make an actual argument instead of just making claims about the opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:34 AM
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I'm too young to be blackpilled (and I know I haven't gone far enough into self-improvement to conclude it's worthless), but from my browsing of Incel stuff I know that a lot of Incels have set their standards for social life so low that at this point they just seek the social validation and knowledge that someone likes them enough to have consensual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 02:14 AM
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/u/red-tea-rex said it best They could ban alcohol at college. Or mandate chaperones for all women. Or better yet, ban coed universities. But don't stop there, they could ban coed workplaces... and mandate you can't even see any part of a woman's body until you're married to her. Hmmm wait a minute... don't they already do this some place or culture? We could just offer free one way airline tickets there to whomever believes there's a rape culture. You're welcome. If you want us to do something …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:53 AM
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You haven't given ANY advice. You have yet to refute "I don't need to be an expert at giving advice to recognize bad advice anymore than I need to be a 5-star chef to recognize when something tastes like shit." He is talking to me in pm now actually about "how." I had literally no way of knowing this, and good for the both of you in that case, but that doesn't change the fact that I feel your (public) advice was bad from the perspective of someone who was lurking in the hopes that I may find use…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 05:07 AM
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And I appreciate you not assuming that I haven't been through it. I have. I stated that it can make people FEEL like their struggle is being trivialized by someone who never had to deal with it. The point is that the advice can do more harm than good if it demoralizes without giving actual instruction, and I felt "talk to people" is one case of that. It's certainly not easy to break out of anxiety, the advice is simple. But simple doesn't always mean easy, the only option he has is to challenge …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:35 AM
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The "easy" was put in by me to emphasize the point I was trying to make, said point was that "talk to people" is non-advice that everybody has thought of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:17 AM
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I was memeing mainly, but I don't see how it's my fault if I get double crossed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:43 PM
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Yes, and the only way to atone for this sin is to unsimp myself by taking action.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 06:39 PM
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I don't know, I'm one of those people. But I do know that "just talk to people it's that easy" can make them feel like their struggle is being trivialized by people who never had to deal with it, much like "just get a job it's that easy" could be soul-crushing advice for those who are struggling to enter the job market.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:59 PM
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The point is that "talk to people" is comparable to this advice and that the text I posted is a fairly strong argument for why the problem isn't "just throw more effort at it." I personally feel that I have avenues I have yet to self-improve on and won't give up until I improve on them and then some, but there are people who are willing to put in effort but only have extremely vague hints if they want to figure out where to throw that effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:05 PM
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thx for the advice
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:03 PM
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While I don't agree with it, this 4chan post does a decent job of summarizing the problem most face. >You keep trying, until one reciprocates. >There's eight billion people on the planet man. Odds are good at least one of them is willing to put up with your bullshit. It's funny how people will tell you this your entire life but can never explain, "If the only way to stop being lonely is to make a self-supporting effort to socialize with others, why has nobody tried to socialize with me?". In you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:22 AM
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"There's this one guy I know" is literally used in incel meme threads alongside "have you tried showering" and "I actually prefer short guys but it just so happens I'm dating a 7'2 guy"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:13 AM
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I haven't gotten a gf, but I aspire to reach this level of completely justifiable, yet incredibly petty and satisfying action if I ever get played for a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:51 AM
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Yes, men have to put in more work than women, but that's just nature. Natural doesn't mean moral anymore than legal means moral. It's natural for those with violent urges to act on those urges, but we should still discourage that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 01:02 AM
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I'm not him but the point was that "boyfriend material" is a very prudeish or conservative phrase while her actions were very sexually liberal. He clearly felt immensely disrespected as he felt this was effectively her saying that he would be a great betabux, which one could argue is worse than being treated as a (extremely valuable) object.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 07:59 PM
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But she still respected you right? And she didn't treat you like an object. *ahem* You know how disrespectful it is to call someone "boyfriend material" while she was having sex with people I know who were bums and straight players.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:24 PM
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Well it was definitely odd timing for you to turn on a dime from arguing to disengaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:28 AM
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I love how the moment you got cornered you just threw your hands up and said "I'm tired of arguing"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:05 AM
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It does not mean “I am nice in some important cosmic sense, therefore I am entitled to sex with whomever I want.” It means: “I am a nicer guy than Henry.” Or to spell it out very carefully, Henry clearly has no trouble attracting partners. He’s been married five times and had multiple extra-marital affairs and pre-marital partners, many of whom were well aware of his past domestic violence convictions and knew exactly what they were getting into. Meanwhile, here I was, twenty-five years old, nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:52 AM
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Most of what I've seen by peeking over at incel subs in 2020 expresses a sentiment of wanting a serious partner and believing that the closest they'll ever get is being the BB to a AF/BB girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 03:35 AM
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Men and women today have equal responsibility for the consequences of sex. For every man that gets a false rape accusation, there are probably 5 women who were literally actually raped. But let me guess, "her fault for dating assholes", right? Men have a legal responsibility to ensure that their sexual partners are sober, women don't. Men and women have equal responsibility for their behavior and actions. The fact that men get harsher penalties because they commit more crimes and violence and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:20 PM
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So yea, no. They aren’t basing it off your fucking gender lol It’s not about gender, it’s about the fact that men don’t bother reporting women for crimes. Men aren’t just poor little victims who no one believes, and cops aren’t just arresting you because you’re a man and she’s a woman. What a crock of bullshit. So what you're saying is that fear of reporting and getting blamed for the fight makes him responsible for the system failing to catch his abuser?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 06:54 PM
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When I was younger – and I mean from teenager hood all the way until about three years ago – I was a ‘nice guy’. And I said the same thing as every other nice guy, which is “I am a nice guy, how come girls don’t like me?” There seems to be some confusion about this, so let me explain what it means, to everyone, for all time. It does not mean “I am nice in some important cosmic sense, therefore I am entitled to sex with whomever I want.” It means: “I am a nicer guy than Henry.” Or to spell it out…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 12:21 AM
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OP have you read Radicalizing the Romanceless? it makes a decent case for how feminism actively alienates men who are legitimately nice guys and pushes them into anti-feminist groups of thought. Henry has four domestic violence charges against him by his four ex-wives and is cheating on his current wife with one of those ex-wives. And as soon as he gets out of the psychiatric hospital where he was committed for violent behavior against women and maybe serves the jail sentence he has pending for …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 02:59 AM
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