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How did farming go from the majority of the country’s labor to the a tiny minority? Because we automated the repetitive parts. Why is manufacturing a dying industry? It isn't. A lot has left the US because of cheaper labor elsewhere, but there is plenty of manufacturing that still requires a lot of labor. Why is it so hard to talk to a human when calling a company? As I said, computing is better at replacing people sitting in front of a computer. What do you think will happen when self driving c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:50 PM
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If you limit your definition of autism to those who are partially non-verbal, then yes you're right. But you have a bunch of guys who aren't that type of autism who still struggle with dating. On the other hand, "bad social skills" of not reading people well is not a bad thing for guys in terms of dating success so long as they're extroverted and their misreads are assuming there is mutual attraction when the women is not actually showing any signs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:07 PM
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Yes, I have worked with machines and computers that attempt to replace human labor. They do very, very, poorly at any job with many novel tasks or that requires feedback from the surroundings. If you want to make exactly the same weld on exactly the same model car frame a thousand times per day they're great. If you want a robot to help someone get dressed in the morning we are nowhere near that technology. Advances in AI and computing are better suited at replacing jobs that exist purely in fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:02 PM
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Yes, I'm sure a population with majority seniors will vote to end benefits for seniors... You should read the OP, it goes over a bunch of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:56 PM
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Very true, but it's not something you can just label as "social skills". There's a subset of people who would get commonly labeled as being on the spectrum who don't really lack "social skills" as far as reading others' behavior, they're just introverted. These men still struggle because, obligatory not all women, most women are very turned off by certain behaviors that are coded as feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:55 PM
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Agreeable is not the same as not having opinions or wants, it's more about how comfortable you are causing conflict with someone else. And the distress about things being a certain way is a somewhat different aspect of what we call autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:51 PM
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Autism is like 3 or 4 different things all lumped together. The most mild version is just men with personalities we stereotype as feminine, being more introverted and more agreeable. That's why there's so much bad data about women being partially on the spectrum: we don't pathologize women acting feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 09:52 PM
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Did you read all of the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 09:49 PM
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Visit any assisted living facility. The societal problem isn't that your children won't visit you, it's that there won't be people to work in the assisted living facilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:09 PM
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Lots of responses in this thread from people who didn't read the OP beyond the title...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:07 PM
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Are you volunteering to be one of the people killed off at 65 so the overall population is small enough for the amount of labor?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:06 PM
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The 20% accounts for that. For individual women it's only like 5% of guys that are attractive, but because different women have different tastes 20% of guys will be in that top 5% for at least some of the 80% of women with standards like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:46 AM
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If the share of women outearning their husbands has decreased over the last 10 years, the trend of more women outearning their husbands has indeed slowed down.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:18 AM
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This you? with no signs of it slowing down I'd assume a flip in the direction of the trend over the last 10 years counts as "slowing down"...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:16 AM
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Women have agency How dare you say the most anti-feminist thing imaginable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:15 PM
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Oh yeah. The current "obesity drugs" just lower appetite. So when people continue to choose foods with high calories relative to essential nutrients, the drugs cause symptoms of malnutrition. So people lose weight but keep relatively high body fat percentages, and keep the long term health risks while gaining better BMI metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:16 PM
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Most overweight guys not being fit does not invalidate what I said. The key is whether BMI is wrong about the men having the most sex, which is exactly the group it is most likely to be wrong about in this fashion. The flaws of BMI aren't some magical thing beyond our comprehension, we know what the issues are: It measures weight per height squared but as 3 dimensional object our weight actually varies proportional to height cubed. So BMI is artificially high in tall people and artificially low …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:11 PM
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This is just more evidence that BMI overestimates being overweight in men but not in women. For men, being overweight increased sexual activity but being obese lowered chances, and being more active increased chances. So who are those men who are "overweight" according to BMI but not obese and are more active? The men who are taller and more muscular of course, which is exactly who you would predict to have the most sexual activity, especially among single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:59 PM
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I've used Hinge, looking for relationship. I don't use it that much, only send 1-2 likes per day when I'm using it actively and will go months without sending any. Haven't had any success on the likes I send out. However, I have had dates including one woman I dated for about a month from women who sent likes to me. Have a date from the app set up for later this week. Pretty sure my profile is only shown when I'm more active, the likes I receive come after changing a photo or starting to send li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 04:49 PM
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It's a bunch of young men looking for male role models who are the opposite of their fathers, because they see how their mothers treats their fathers and want exactly the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 03:04 PM
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I mean, if you count 40% of women as hot and only 10% of men as above average, then of course average men with hot women is common.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 01:24 AM
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I've volunteered at the local food bank, some nights/days are open for anyone to sign up and others they might have a corporate group or church group or other organization volunteer where they are the only people there. So if a women-only professional society signed up that event would be only women. Habitat for Humanity does some days that are specifically "women's builds" where only women can come. I've done both of those organizations as an individual and a bunch of others through a corporate…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:22 PM
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Not in my experience, at least not open volunteering events. Maybe there are enough women-only events or women-only groups that volunteer to counteract this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:49 PM
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The problem is the boys see how their mother treats their father. The boys don't want a relationship that looks like their parents' so they aren't going to model themselves after their fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:53 PM
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Because men are not as strict in their beauty standards for women as women are for each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:46 PM
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People mostly ask as a "gotcha" to convince themselves online dating is their best option. One major problem of online dating is that there are more men than women, so the women can be picky and still have options. Tinder is probably the worst, but even more relationship-focused apps like Hinge are 60% men to 40% women. The trouble for guys is all these great examples of meeting people in person are 3 men for every woman, especially if you filter down to single people. Of course these places wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:43 PM
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Just look at who buys commercials on each side. The left gets funded by the richest and most powerful companies on the planet, the right gets funded by fruits and veggies in pill form, gold scams, and the pillow guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:23 PM
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Those women that are living longer were less fat than the men when they were younger. The young women today are fatter than the young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:33 PM
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women store less fat in the belly than men Men average a lower waist-to-height ratio, 0.587 for men vs 0.609 for women. their lower life expectancy Lagging statistic. The excess fat on women currently 25-45 could drop their life expectancy by 5 years but we won't know it for another couple decades. Also, life expectancy in general is more strongly influenced by outliers, so the gap is more due to the fact that men are more likely to die from suicide, addiction, and alcoholism (deaths of despair)…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:12 AM
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a person has to be a pro athlete or on steroids to gain so much muscle mass to place them in a high BMI of obesity Who said obesity? The claim I was responding to included people who were just overweight, which is way easier to get to with just height and muscle mass. In fact excess fat on women is less dangerous than for men. Yes, but the percentages are not that different and tend to get dwarfed by higher muscle mass for men. women tend to carry this excess fat in their thighs, hips, and breas…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:45 AM
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You brought up the BMI statistic. Yes, most men are in that 60% of actually overweight. That doesn't mean there are enough fit women out there for all the fit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:41 PM
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I ignore these because the cases like it I know of I can look back at their wedding pics from 10+ years ago when they were more matched. The fat women with fit men are the ones still dating and not yet married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:59 PM
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Going by BMI? BMI has a couple issues with it. First, it measures weight per height squared. But since humans are three-dimensional objects our weight is proportional to height cubed given the same body composition. This means a person's BMI will be artificially high if they are taller, and artificially low if they are shorter. Second, it just measures weight and does not distinguish between muscle and fat. This means people with more muscle will have artificially high BMI, and hypothetically pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:57 PM
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Most couples are pretty looksmatched A lot of that is looking at couples that formed a long time ago. There are a lot of couples out there with fit, normal dudes and women who are obese enough for it to negatively impact many different areas of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:39 PM
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OP: "Between this one dad bod and five guys on roids which do women find most attractive?" People need to join some sports leagues and see what natural athletic builds really look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:13 AM
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I knew plenty of the former who were in LTR's When did they meet their partners? In my experience being more shy/reserved is a negative in the eyes of most women but not all. The women for whom it is not a deal-breaker tend to enter long-term relationships in their early 20s and the shy/reserved guys who are successful match up with those women. But there are more shy/reserved guys than there are women like this, so the guys who are leftover tend to be single for quite a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:48 AM
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Good point, just trying to get eugenicists to fully explain the system they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:13 PM
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I don't know her story but just based on the picture I'd say more likely than not she is chemically enhanced, probably not a realistic model for inspiration unless you also plan on incorporating some, um, needle work into your program. I know women who are great athletes and who would have a serious hit to their goals if they ever had a positive drug test, none of them look like woman A.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 03:57 AM
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I wish I lived in a world that works the way you think this one does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 02:08 AM
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Sexual past could be one, but I think money could be another for a lot of guys. Now I agree with most on here that guys aren't as concerned with income, but I think many are concerned with debt. If a guy was dating a girl for a while, maybe even thinking about marriage, but then learned she had over $100k in student loans and $50k in other debt, that might be a boundary if he was unwilling to take on such debt himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 01:54 AM
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the average man can't be shamed for having standards, because no one knows your standards untill you tell them. "Tell them" or just "act on them". If a woman breaks up with her boyfriend when he quits his job it's clear "having a job" is a standard for her, even if she's not broadcasting that out to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:19 AM
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So from that same biological standpoint we should allow the men who do pass the threshold to have multiple wives, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:14 PM
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What's your cutoff for "disabled" in terms of social anxiety? A majority of women have high enough levels of social anxiety that they would be unable to date as men. Should we weed those women out of the gene pool too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:03 PM
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I put the big 5 up there with the mbti, just above astrology, love languages and dnd personality axes, as popular pseudoscience This is just celebrating ignorance. The only part of the Big 5 up for debate is what we call the five factors, the general idea that personality breaks down into five factors is a statistical certainty with as much data behind it as any theory we can collect data on. It's not astrology, it's not even climate science, it's akin to whether you believe the earth is round o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:21 AM
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Barbie movie was basically making fun of feminists, but the feminists didn't realize it and neither did the right wing youtubers who are so against it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:46 AM
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Based comparison since the right tends to "punch up" with boycotts and cancelling while the left tends to "punch down" towards individuals. Leftists really think Big Tech and Big Pharma are funding the resistance against the real capitalist overlords, like the pillow guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:40 AM
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Touch grass in that sense is rather saying that dating in person is easier, because it removes a lot of problems and perceptions that are induced by OLD Right, this is the inaccurate part of your post. Yes, dating apps are stacked against men because of the ratio of users, but so is touching grass and going to any in-person events where you are expected to meet new people. Yes women on dating apps will select for shallow characteristics you have no control over but so will women in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:08 PM
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Often criteria that the women themselves cannot meet. So a fat woman will only date fit men, or a woman with bad debt will only date men in good financial situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:02 PM
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Are you unable or just unwilling to read what I wrote and understand it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:03 AM
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Strange how women can ever pick abusive guys then if they can mind read to tell which guys have bad personalities without getting to know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:40 AM
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I meant in the context of: Men recognize that a large percentage of women will filter out all but the most attractive men, but that doesn't mean they think it is the only filter. How do you know they're saying "looks are the only filter" instead of "looks are the first filter"? Because, for some fucking reason, they cannot comprehend personality being a huge factor in some succeeding or failing in dating I mean, the reason isn't all that hard: these men have only ever been rejected for their loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:01 AM
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Not shitting myself, just stating the numbers. You made the original claim which was 100% wrong, so I corrected it. Then you've chosen to insult me for being correct? Like, if the chance of being killed by a spouse was less than 1% for men and 8% for women, would you say that doesn't matter since the difference is only 8%?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:01 AM
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How am I extrapolating anything? I'm just reporting the numbers. Totally fine looking at other data, but there just aren't other reports like this very often. The idea that a high relative disparity is meaningless so long as the occurrence is small relative to the total population is the laughable claim. For example, by your logic since less than 8% of people become Fortune 500 CEOs there is no issue if 100% of those CEOs are men. Or since the Fortune 500 is only one data set, it is meaningless …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:56 AM
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You really don't understand how statistics work, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:44 AM
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It's the one linked in this thread: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ For 30-49 age bracket: 17% of women are single vs 25% of men. 17 is 68% of 25, basically 2/3rds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:27 AM
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The data you are talking about reaches parity. 30+ men and women are in relationships at similar percentages. No, they aren't. In the 30-49 age bracket there are still roughly 3 single men for every 2 single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:21 AM
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Where are the guys claiming women only care about looks? Men recognize that a large percentage of women will filter out all but the most attractive men, but that doesn't mean they think it is the only filter. It might be the filter they are least willing to compromise on, given complaints from the women themselves about what bad personalities their partners have had.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:16 AM
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Short, mediocre-looking women get big mad when you suggest they date short, mediocre-looking men...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:19 AM
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Women want to be the smaller one in the relationship, but also like the look of fit guys more than fat guys. So as women get fatter they need taller and taller men to still have those men be bigger than them if the men are fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:30 AM
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do you exercise regularly? have a good diet? a stable income? Lol, as if that's all it took.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:02 PM
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Problem is we give the biodegradable straws to the people with good trash disposal and let the areas that dump trash in the ocean keep their cheaper plastic straws.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:13 PM
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In my experience social skills are more an issue for women than men, we just have higher expectations of men so they get blamed for failure by either side. For example, I went on a date last year with a woman and as an ice breaker asked what sort of hobbies she had or what she liked to do. Her answer: "oh, I'm just open to anything I guess, just like anything outdoors." Now in her mind this was a great answer, it makes her sound fun and open and active, but this is horrible for conversation. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:11 PM
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Well, that's the trick with analogies: they are similar but not exactly the same, and it's often up to the listener to understand the ways they are not exactly the same. Not everyone will understand all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:43 PM
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Yes, the point of the analogy is to shame women who "give the milk away for free" because that would be a stupid thing to do and doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:17 PM
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In part because she doesn't actually have this higher standard of cleanliness, it is used as an excuse to shame men in cases where they bring in a majority of the income. I've seen the apartments and houses of women who live by themselves, not putting dishes in the dishwasher immediately is not a male-only trait, it's not even a trait more common in men. However, women develop different standards in relationships when she's not just creating work for herself, but can use this as an opportunity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 07:28 PM
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In this thread: women attempt to read the OP and do basic math, challenge level - impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:16 AM
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Laundry is like twice a week, dishwasher runs every other day, lawn and groceries are each once a week, then if I could spend 1 hour per day cleaning I could get every room in the house at least once a week. Cooking dinner is like 30 minutes. Cool, 2, maybe 3 hours per day to get all the chores done. Working full time given the commute is like 10-11 hours a day if there's no overtime.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:03 AM
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Ignoring what I'm saying and making personal attacks is not a decent counter argument. I guess all my friends who have kids where both parents work should be locked up for child abuse since they don't have someone individually cleaning up after their kid 16 hours a day...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:52 AM
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And yet nobody can provide a decent counter argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:18 PM
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So when a couple gets married then the woman changes her behavior it is the man's fault for not expecting that change in behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:20 PM
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Ah, ok, so if families have one parent working and the other staying at home the working parent only needs to help if they have 3+ kids and multiple of them are infants?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:52 PM
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Right, a dozen endless chores like what exactly that takes all day? Are they washing clothes by hand? Cleaning the whole house every day? Getting groceries every day? It's amazing I can survive as a single person since apparently normal chores take 8+ hours a day...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:25 PM
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I see a lot of fat, ugly women with average looking guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:23 PM
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Right, so the working parent can't get a break when getting home because the stay at home parent was "on call" during the day when the kids were at school?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:22 AM
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Yes, women have other criteria they are picky on, but based on just looks they are significantly more picky than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:19 AM
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I really don’t think cooking your family dinner, doing their dishes after dinner, reading bedtime stories to your kids and getting them to sleep are “hobbies”. I didn't say that. I said letting your kids run all over the house and then needing to constantly clean the same rooms over and over to make it look like you don't have kids running everywhere is turning cleaning into a hobby. Much like mowing the lawn is a chore, obsessing over it every day for hours on end is a hobby. Maintaining a car …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:19 AM
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This is the main issue with dating and why guys feel "lied to" about standard, blue-pill logic. It's not that they think "looks don't matter to women", it's that they think women are only a little bit more picky in terms of looks than guys, when in fact women in general are way more picky about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:12 AM
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Well if dinner and baths and nighttime routines are all at night what is going on during the day? Are you just cleaning the same rooms every 30 minutes and then letting kids mess them up again? Get your kids a play area and know it will be a little messy, or let that be your house since you have little kids and that's what houses with little kids are like. Like there are required chores and there are extra hobbies, a working parent shouldn't need to go without any sort of rest because the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:59 AM
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Kids need 24 hour care and supervision until they are 8 or 9 I went to school quite a bit before I was 8 or 9, and neither parent was sitting in class with me. Even when younger or over weekends and summers, my parents were close by but not directly interacting with me every single second. Y'all are giving your kids anxiety being helicopter parents like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:51 AM
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What sorts of chores are needed for your house that there would still be any left when you got home? Like I get young kids just need lots of attention regardless of whatever else is going on, but normal household chores don't take more than 3-4 hours per day unless you're trying to keep surfaces surgically clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:37 AM
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If these men are dating up it's just in terms of weight, the women in total have to outweigh the men in total by at least a hundred pounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:13 AM
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Was the original statement just one thing? Where is the peer reviewed research on who thinks just tights or sweatpants are appropriate attire for their office jobs? How is the split of massive student loan debt between men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:20 PM
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Not in my experience. I'm sorry my claim that men and women are roughly equal in this regard has gotten you so upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:42 PM
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If women actually worked the way you think they work there wouldn't be so many men complaining. As I said: Women are just as likely if not more likely to make impulsive, unnecessary purchases, get junk food they don't need, skip good hygiene practices, and wear inappropriate outfits as men are. The difference is women criticizing men as seen as men's fault, men criticizing women is seen as abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:37 PM
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Men want a relationship with sex and where the woman matches his effort. Failing that, they want either similar effort if waiting on sex or easy sex if the woman is putting in no effort to the non-sexual parts of the relationship. It's telling that women are so unwilling to put in romantic effort they think guys only want cheap sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:33 PM
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So you've never been lazy or sick or tired after being out partying and gone to bed without brushing your teeth, and neither has your wife? You've never just gone out in an old t-shirt or sweats because it was comfortable, and neither has your wife? Neither of you have ever made a purchase that in retrospect was a bit stupid? Neither of you had junk food that really shouldn't have been part of your diet? Because 100% of the people I know do those things from time to time, both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:20 PM
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I find it kind of fucked up men view being viewed as being someone that a woman wants to spend the rest of her life with and fuck exclusively a bad thing. If this higher level of commitment meant a higher level of effort into the relationship by women I don't think men would complain, but in reality it doesn't. Being viewed as the guy she wants to settle down with means having to wait for sex, but it also means having to take on more of the work planning dates. It means she acts less like someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:14 PM
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Who says women giving those instructions means men for sure "need" them? Women are just as likely if not more likely to make impulsive, unnecessary purchases, get junk food they don't need, skip good hygiene practices, and wear inappropriate outfits as men are. The difference is women criticizing men as seen as men's fault, men criticizing women is seen as abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:00 PM
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Yes, you two enjoy a more-transactional-than-average relationship. Your post is claiming that everyone ought to want such a relationship or only accept such a relationship, but not everyone wants that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:39 AM
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You're making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:59 AM
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Some relationships are more transactional than others, not everyone will want their relationships to be as transactional as yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:37 AM
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Usually, I'd walk away eventually. If she's interested in me, she'd leave the conversation and find a chance to talk to me later. The most common mistake of men here who struggle: assuming women are independent adults with agency and control over their own lives. That's only like 10% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 01:59 AM
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This assumes the guy's standards don't change along with his self-improvement. I think a problem for men is that, in the measures by which they self-improve, women in general are not as objectively as high-achieving as men, so if their standards change to match their own achievement their likelihood of finding a partner goes down, not up. A fat man has better chance with fat women than a fit man does with fit women because a higher percentage of men are fit than women are. A man who is in a bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:02 AM
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So, not all women are like this, but the woman making the video is significantly more interested in validation than in an actual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 03:07 AM
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Lots of women walking around with zero chins though...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:07 AM
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Of all the overweight guys, only one was with a girl that was normal weight, but she was also not great looking in the face. The rest were with overweight women. But of the overweight women, more than half were with fit/normal weighted men. This is the real root cause of a bunch of men complaining about dating in 2023: there are simply more overweight women than overweight men. BMI hides this a bit because it tends to overestimate obesity in taller and more muscular people, and men tend to be ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:59 AM
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Funny, I'm part of a rec sports league that is mostly mixed but does have a women's only pickup and a men's club team. No men ever show up to the women's pickup, but there are often a couple of the women who come to the men's club team practice. I guess I shouldn't touch grass so much if I want to believe the blue pillers on here...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:48 PM
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So women react badly because they don't understand men or just in general don't understand rejection?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:53 AM
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Well, people presenting as women. I’m convinced the more troll-y women on this sub are just men role-playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 02:45 AM
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Lol, you gotta make it personal I guess. Never mind all the women on here talking about “oh, I never really noticed my husband until he started flirting with me.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:54 AM
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Right, just after the men flirt first.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:11 AM
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Men don’t hate sluts, they just don’t want them for long term relationships. I don’t hate my doctor for not being able to fix my air conditioning, I respect them for the choice they made on who to be. But I’m not letting them fix my A/C. Contrary to what feminists will teach you, women are totally capable of making their own choices and dealing with the consequences of those choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:04 AM
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Most women tend to have very small social circles. They socialize a lot with their close friends, but don’t really interact with people outside that small group. Pause the app, limit their interactions to work, errands, and hanging out with their besties. If they want to keep doing a hobby with a wider group they just limit their interactions in that hobby group to their closer friends and other women. Fairly easy for women to go 6 months without meeting any new men just to the surface level of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:48 PM
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Actual sexuality isn’t what matters, and I’m not sure there’s actually a difference. Men are taught to only approach women who give social cues of attraction. Most women won’t do this until after the man flirts with her first, since their attraction for most men is “responsive”. Men are more likely to approach women with bipolar traits since those women are more likely to give these cues of attraction with less overt flirting required on his part.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:39 PM
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Right, just like you could starve and be homeless rather than working a bad job or having a bad landlord.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:53 PM
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But if you marry them after you know them, that’s on you. So people with no choices are responsible for choosing the only option they have? I suppose the same logic applies to shitty employers, no need for labor laws because people chose those jobs! Same thing for shitty landlords, no housing crisis because people chose to live in those apartments with high rent and nothing getting fixed by the absent landlords!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:05 PM
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You have formed a significant level of desire...and she hasn't yet. This isn’t true for most men, but men are required to pretend it’s true or women won’t bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:47 AM
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Humans don’t need to have changed much for the market to change considerably. Why I brought up the housing market as a parallel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:10 AM
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“Saving for a house is better than renting, once you’ve saved up roughly 3 months’ income you should have enough for a 20% down payment.” Advice can become outdated, most of the married people on here haven’t asked someone on a first date in 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:39 AM
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You were talking about married people not single people Yes, marriage only happens after single people start dating each other? I’m confused what your point here is. Women don’t generally initiate Men certainly ask more, but of my close friends it is slightly more often that the women pursued (or at least the men think the women did). Men certainly cannot wait until they know a woman’s character and values to pursue them. With how rare relationships are for most men, by the time they learn their…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:35 AM
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No, they tell me about how they and their wives have different values and goals. I don’t spend hours per day “on the manispere”, I know real people first and base my beliefs off of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:29 AM
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Most men aren't choosing because they have no choices, they just accept whatever woman chooses them. A small percentage of men are dating many different women. Men are choosing these somewhat bad relationships because they want families and children, and partially because orgasms are a biological need and they find porn morally reprehensible and masturbation in general depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:16 PM
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but not relationships and marriage Most married men I know have not had multiple long term relationships, and did not know their partners well enough to judge if they had compatible personalities before reaching a level of commitment they did not reach in any other short term relationship. For most married men, if you picked out 5 women at random from the population, at least 1 of the 5 would be a better match in terms of personality and character than their current partner. I think a huge reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:03 PM
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It’s funny how bad the advice of blue pillers on here is, shows they’re mostly just here to troll. “You need social skills bro, don’t approach women unless you get the subtle signs that they’re interested in you.” Meanwhile every woman: “I didn’t really notice him until he started flirting with me.” Guys’ social skills can be perfect, they’ll never have success if they wait for women to show interest before engaging with them, unless they’re gigachads or whatever the term is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:14 AM
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If she’s already rejected him it doesn’t really matter if she’s now less attracted to him, what matters is his internal confidence for his next approach with a new woman. Again, most men don’t say these things out loud, but it is beneficial for men to think them when faced with rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:26 AM
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Men are required to be confident in their own attractiveness in order to be attractive to women. At the same time, men have real world feedback on their attractiveness based on how women respond to them, with almost all men being rejected almost all the time. If a man wants to keep his confidence in the face of rejection he needs to turn that rejection into either something wrong with the woman or something he doesn’t care about. Some men do this internally, some men lash out. A man putting down…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:39 PM
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Having a boat is a luxury, even if you can barely afford the upkeep on it. Having a large house is a luxury even if you can barely afford your mortgage payment and the cost of upkeep on it. The difference is that taxpayers are absolutely helping cover the cost of those children in most western nations, certainly in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:58 PM
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Yes, having 5 kids is a luxury. It’s like a man complaining the work to upkeep his boat takes up so much of his time he can hardly make it to his vacation home.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:39 PM
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“When you come from a place of privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Women are used to having emotional support from men in relationships while the men are stoic and get no support, so modern pushes for men to show their emotions leave women with a new responsibility to listen to and support their partners. To women this feels oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:56 PM
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So, your source basically agrees with what I said: If the suspected father receives a paternity request from the court, it's critical for him to comply promptly. Failing to reply to the petition could result in the court issuing a "default judgment" against you, meaning the judge decides that you're the biological father without a paternity test. If the alleged father never actually receives the request he can be named the father of children biologically not his. Also says: In most states, the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:50 PM
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Not a lawyer, but from cases I’ve heard about it is when the mother names a man as the father (usually when applying for government aid) and then the state sends out notices that fail to reach the man. Basically instead of the state needing to prove the man is the father the man would need to prove he isn’t, so if he doesn’t get the notices he is deemed the father, ordered to pay child support, those notices don’t get to him, and then years later he gets arrested after a traffic stop or somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 07:05 PM
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As a man you don’t even need to be the father to have child support obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:28 PM
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Common problem. Democratic politicians would rather lose on legislation to get a 3% boost in reelection chances than pass legislation that 97% of their supporters like but that would hurt them 3% in reelection chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:24 PM
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Great guys with good jobs don't have women chasing after them, especially of those guys aren't making the first move and flirting with the women. As I said, most attraction from women is responsive, and if you met a guy who had a great personality but gave only friend vibes I doubt you're going to push for a romantic connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:20 AM
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If Jane actually likes Jack and thinks something could be there This requires Jack to either be in the top 5% or so of guys in terms of attractiveness Or For Jack to flirt with her so she sees him in that light. Women will be attracted to at some men who are their match, but that attraction is responsive. Basically Jack will friendzone himself before even realizing he likes Jane as more than a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:09 PM
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if it's just a choice and not emotionally fulfilling, then you will end up with a partner you don't really care about and who you will eventually begin to resent Yes, this is the situation most men find themselves in. There’s plenty of criticism from women about how men don’t seem to really care for their wives, this is why. Most men don’t have enough options to be picky about someone they feel a genuine connection with. Not all men of course, but a slight majority. By the way, this is why “redp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 09:30 PM
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Earns "as much" or earns significantly more? The hygiene thing is women telling on themselves that they value tingles more than whether a guy has his life together. I've met women, they in general are just as gross as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:04 AM
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I have a bunch of close friends (6) who are pretty average guys who are married. Each of them has only had a single relationship post high school that lasted over 2 months. Most of them only had that single relationship ever. For men love is something they choose to do, not something they feel. They find someone who has mutual interest and before they really even know the other person's character and personality they enter what will be their only long term relationship. So the next time you see …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:02 AM
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Don’t we mock women for complaining about being lonely despite having plenty of options, just because they don’t meet some standards? This is the relevant section, we don't mock women for having standards the women themselves can meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:34 PM
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The key is whether the individual with the standards can meet their own standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:18 PM
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None of what you said is a counter argument to what I said. Plenty of fit, financially stable, socially well-adjusted men whose dating market is women who have none of those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:42 PM
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Self improvement is a trap for men: as a man improves his standards rise faster than the quality of woman he can attract. Getting fit would be fine if there were enough fit women for every fit man, but there aren’t. Being financially stable would be great if there were enough financially stable women for every financially stable man, but there aren’t. Having a wide social network would be great if women had similarly wide social networks, but they don’t. Self improvement for men just breeds rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:58 PM
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And there’s not many companies with promotion quotas anymore. I would guess over half the S&P 500 have some program in place tying executive compensation to meeting gender promotion quotas. Also it’s not jus wearing a low cut top, it’s who is even hired in the first place. Women have very little understanding of just how pervasive gender bias in hiring is. Most women with full time jobs work for companies who would hire a woman over a man if both had equal qualifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:22 PM
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But they do get grades. We have data saying attractive women get better grades in high school than they would if appearance was hidden, such as by online learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:03 AM
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Or that engineer helping to map out the blueprint for a new highway system was only hired because her boss and coworkers wanted to date her? It's not about wanting to date her, it's about wanting DEI numbers they can parade around. I've seen my company post job openings for engineers that were only available to women, it certainly makes you question if the women who get hired get there on merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:01 AM
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Is it just OF models that get ahead based on sexuality? What about servers and bartenders at restaurants, which can pay very well for very little training and education? What about promotion quotas for women in large companies?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:58 AM
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BMI also handles height fairly poorly. It measures weight per height squared, but being 3 dimensional objects, humans’ weight actually varies by height cubed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:46 AM
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That’s why the military looks at a tape test or waist to height ratio rather than BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:17 AM
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The difference in essential body fat is far less than the difference in muscle mass and even the higher BMI that comes from being taller. There are better measures of health like waist to height ratio, which even tend to favor women since women store body fat throughout their bodies while men store it more preferentially on their waists. But whenever a measure other than BMI is used the results show the women as more overweight relative to the men compared to BMI alone. Nobody is getting to “sev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:16 AM
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What exactly do you mean then, and why do you think this is more common for women than men? Why ignore that severe obesity is 50% more common in women in the post about “land whales”?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:33 PM
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And the threshold for having visible abs as a woman is basically unhealthy body fat levels. That’s why I said chemically enhanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:05 PM
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I know girls who are “overweight” with abs I doubt it unless they are chemically or surgically enhanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:56 PM
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The obesity rate is only similar due to the shortcomings of BMI. It overestimates obesity in taller people and underestimates it in shorter people, overestimates with more muscle and underestimates with less muscle. Men are taller and more muscular, women shorter and less muscular. What BMI considers to be an overweight man. What BMI considers to be an overweight (but not obese) woman. As far as “land whales”, that’s more likely severe obesity than just normal obesity, and at their level there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:50 PM
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How are you defining “match”? The problem for a lot of guys is that you can define match by sort of where you fit relative to the population, or can define it based on objective traits most people find attractive (are you a healthy weight, do you have a decent job, keep your home clean, have a solid friend group, have a mature and adult style, are able to handle conflict respectfully). Guys look across at their match relative to the population, and see someone fatter, poorer, less social, and le…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:19 PM
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Dating apps being bad in general is not the same thing as them being bad compared to other options. Dating apps are male dominated, but so is every in-person venue where people reasonably can go and meet new people. A significant amount of socializing women do is very insulated, even in large events like concerts, where people really only socialize with their own small group.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:47 PM
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Lol, you think those two are matched?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:59 AM
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Clip seems like the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:03 AM
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Women on here be like "I see matched couples all the time" The couples they see...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 12:55 AM
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I just think it would be easier to make the general population of men more desirable Women's taste in men is relative, making all men more desirable doesn't matter because women judge them against other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:14 AM
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men aren't judged as harshy on their appearance as women are I'm not sure this is the case, just that age has less of an impact on the ways men are judged. Women who are skinny-fat are still often considered attractive in their 20s as they put on weight every year, until their 30s where they are solidly overweight. Men who are skinny-fat are judged harshly right away. Women will get downgraded in terms of facial attractiveness if they have poor skincare or drink too much and age starts to show i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:13 AM
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You didn't mean too, but after a few drinks Isn’t that considered rape now? Too drunk to consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:04 AM
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Yes, financial responsibility and not income is what men look for. I don’t think this responsibility correlates with income, and even the uncertainty with income only happens in some situations at income extremes. It’s just not relevant for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:46 AM
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You said most of them do, but your data to back it up is that most of them did. The thing that’s not checking out is the time scale and dating changing over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:25 PM
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A high earning woman will be more likely to pay off her own debt and pay some of the bills, while a poor woman at McDonald’s is less likely to be able to contribute as much. At the extremes this is true, but among the middle of college educated women it is less clear. I have met and dated plenty of women who still have significant college loan debt into their 30s. They usually aren’t super high earners but aren’t making McDonald’s wages either, they just have lifestyle expectations that go beyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:23 PM
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Most people have houses, therefore houses haven’t gotten more expensive in the last 5 years, and there’s no reason people in their 20s can’t save up and buy a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:31 PM
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For men self improvement is the perfect mix of worthwhile and grift to keep you coming back to redpill content creators. On the plus side, it absolutely is worth it outside of dating for the improvements to your own mental health and confidence. On the negative side, because self-improvement mostly focuses on objective measures where men outperform women, engaging in self-improvement will increase a man's standards more dramatically than it increases his options, actually making finding a partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:00 AM
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Why would women want men with such a lack of confidence? Those men who don't take no for an answer and assume women are interested even if they've gotten zero signs of interest from the women, those are the men most successful in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:03 AM
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Toxicity towards men is the byproduct, not the root cause. The root cause is romanticizing and validating all female anxiety. So it’s not that guys can’t open up, it’s that if women have anxiety about needing to be the stoic one in a relationship, even temporarily, then it is abusive/toxic for the man to have put her in that situation. If a woman feels anxiety about her weight it is abusive/toxic for men to have made her feel that way. We as a society are teaching women to be more anxious and to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:21 AM
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Examining domestic violence shelters or emergency rooms may miss many male victims—males tend to underreport their own victimhood—but when surveyed, women generally acknowledge using violence at equal levels with men. Since the 1970s, evidence has demonstrated that domestic violence is perpetrated by females as often as males This is the first link saying rates are equal. As I said, I did not save the link on here showing abuse by women as more common, but it is clear from the variation that vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:22 AM
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I saw the study on here but didn't save the link. Searching again, here's one saying the rates of physical abuse are equal, while acknowledging that men will under-report. I will also say some of this is anecdotal, physical violence by women is so societally accepted that I have seen many cases of it with friends and family, while never having witnessed cases the other way. Here's another putting the rate at 1 in 4 men experiencing physical abuse at some point in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:09 AM
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women less often resort to physical violence Women are more often physically violent, they’re just physically weaker so there are fewer consequences for them. More wives have hit their husbands than husbands that have hit their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:52 PM
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And where does that say fatherlessness is not causal?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:50 PM
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Please read the study. Extremes on the edges don’t impact the median, they impact the average. In the Pew study it is older couples where the woman is more likely to be the breadwinner, suggesting the opposite of what you claim. Women want higher earning men, and it is likely cases of men being disabled or unwilling to work that account for female breadwinners, since those cases increase with older couples. The Pew study shows that more modern couples need multiple incomes, but if anything young…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:12 PM
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Got proof of this? Since you ignored the actual study results which say fatherlessness is causal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:06 PM
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The median income gap in marriages is still higher than the overall median gap. In a majority of cases men earn over 60% of the household income, meaning the median couple has a wife earning less than 67% of what her husband makes. For the general population, the median income gap is women earning 83% of what men earn. Also of note from the Pew study, the lowest rate of women breadwinners was among the youngest group surveyed. Male breadwinner rates stayed fairly consistent, but it seems younger…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:04 PM
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The study does not say those things don't happen, rather it uses statistical methods to isolate causation. So it's not that poor children do worse, it's that fatherlessness causes children to grow up in poorer circumstances, rather than poorer circumstances leading to higher fatherlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:15 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation. But there is evidence of causation. The literature on father absence is frequently criticized for its use of cross-sectional data and methods that fail to take account of possible omitted variable bias and reverse causality. We review studies that have responded to this critique by employing a variety of innovative research designs to identify the causal effect of father absence, including studies using lagged dependent variable models, growth curve models, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:18 PM
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It's also to be expected that the vast majority of women won't appreciate your vague generalizations regarding their innate sexual preferences. Regardless of your statements' accuracy and validity. The problem with modern society. We call the truth misogynistic and pretend misandry is truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:53 PM
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It’s not all women, just like 70-80% of them who would get the ick from a guy not being traditionally masculine. Most guys don’t even need to be vulnerable of their own accord, most women will create their own shit tests to give themselves the ick if their partners fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:12 PM
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There aren’t enough fit women for the number of fit men out there. BMI underestimates obesity in women and overestimates obesity in men, because it treats taller and more muscular people as more obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:45 PM
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Lol, so you think "and/or" means only the last option listed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:39 AM
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Anyone who wants attributes in a partner they don't have themselves is gonna struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:49 PM
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Where does it say they're only looking for casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:22 PM
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Wouldn't that happen for both men and women though? Why do you think only men would build up issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:21 PM
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Or maybe it didn't used to be this bad, because people who dated 10+ years ago and are also dating now see a difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:15 PM
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Men here who have been dating as adults for 10+ years: things have changed. Men here who haven’t dated in the last 5+ years: nothing has changed! Wonder who to believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:58 PM
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The same survey had single men being significantly more likely to say they were looking for a relationship than the single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:45 PM
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Certainly not always. I have plenty of friends and family with no kids where the wife is 5-8 inches shorter and the same weight or heavier than the husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:40 PM
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Women valuing authentic guys and women being able to identify authentic guys are two very different things. Women’s behavior doesn’t match what they say their values are, but it’s not so much that women are lying about their values as it is they misidentify some characteristics and behaviors in men as being other things. Women say they want confidence but in practice they want disagreeable men, because they perceive disagreeableness as confidence and cannot identify confidence in agreeable but c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:23 PM
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You seem to be posting how women’s attraction ought to work, but in practice men know this isn’t really the case. As you said, you don’t know of anyone with these qualities who struggles, so it’s not like you can tell causation. If the key is traits not pre-selection, but every man you know with the traits also has pre-selection, who says it isn’t the pre-selection? But guys know the change when having no change in traits but having more pre-selection, and what that does to their dating prospect…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:16 PM
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Yes, that's the part guys know isn't true, based on how women treat them. Women will avoid men who have all those good qualities if other women aren't interested, and improving those qualities as a guy does not come close to the difference you see from other women when entering a relationship. Good qualities are 40% of the formula, pre-selection is 60%.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:08 PM
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Most men celebrate their partners’ accomplishments, even if there’s no benefit to anyone beyond their partners. The exceptions are usually men whose partners have a “your money is our money and my money is my money” attitude. This goes beyond romantic relationships, in business this is referred to as givers, takers, and matchers. There are some men who are takers, but most people are matchers. If everyone a person meets seems like a taker it probably means they are a taker and everyone else is m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 04:21 PM
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So your OP was that pre-selection isn’t that big of a thing, it’s just that some men are more attractive, but your argument as to why is that pre-selection is definitely a thing but men who are just looking for casual shouldn’t care?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:59 PM
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Why would he want a boost if he is already in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:15 PM
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The difference from men’s perspectives is seeing how many women will treat you differently after you enter a relationship or after they find out you’re in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 02:59 PM
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Not all broke women work at Walmart. Plenty have masters degrees and work for nonprofits or government or education and have negative net worths into their mid 30s. I’ve dated multiple women where there was more than a $500k difference between our net worths.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:15 AM
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Honestly, I think this is a big reason why “pink collar” jobs exist: women will take lower pay to work a job with good social standing to allow them to date higher earning men. I’ve met plenty of white collar women working for non-profits or government agencies that have masters degrees and negative net worth into their mid 30s but will date men with much higher incomes and much more assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:13 AM
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Guys get told they need "social skills" and should only approach women who give signs of interest, but they aren't told that most women won't know if they're interested until after guys interact with them, unless the guy is like top 5% most attractive. So guys get this fatalistic notion that unless they're near perfect in every outward measure to be in that top 5% they're creepy if they approach, so being perfect is the only morally correct way to build a relationship (since it's immoral to be c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 10:58 PM
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Men in the friend zone have way more of a chance. Women rely more on shared decision making than men, so it’s easier for them to change their minds. If men in the friend zone become involved with another woman, it can change her perception of him. Men who fuck zone women are far less likely to change their minds, especially since these men are more likely to not want long term relationships at all, rather than just not with this particular woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:59 AM
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It’s women like this that give the other 20% a bad name…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:42 AM
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“There are a lot of bad cliches in dating but one I happen to believe in is that anything that isn’t a hard yes is a no, and that successful relationships come when both people are hard yes’s. I hope you find that kind of partner.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:37 AM
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There’s evidence that weight or BMI are less effective at predicting health than waist to height ratio. Realistically judging attractiveness by whether or not someone has belly fat is as good of a stand in for health as we can reasonably judge from the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:11 AM
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Only if you believe in larger age gaps among older couples. The gap is smaller, but the data still show roughly 2 single men for every single woman in the 30-49 age group. Add that to the number of these men who must be dating women in their 20s to make the 18-29 numbers work, and you’d need roughly 1/4 partnered women in the 30-49 age group to be dating men 50+. But we have stats on age gaps, and that average gap of 5 years just isn’t realistic, the median is like les than 2 years difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:57 AM
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And yet, hasn’t been my experience with friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:27 AM
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So why wouldn’t that affect the husband just as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:03 AM
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Yeah, no pregnancy in the case I’m thinking of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 08:45 PM
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So what’s the equivalent for women gaining 30 lbs in the first two years of marriage while her husband is basically unchanged?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 08:17 PM
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More than half of men likely haven’t had sex outside of a relationship. Of those who have, a lot of the “coercion” is like the song “baby it’s cold outside”. There’s a play at modesty from the woman, but if you have any level of social skill you understand she has agency and is driving this situation as much as the man is. Of course feminists want to cancel the song and view women as having zero agency, because most of those feminists lack any sort of social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:23 PM
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Having close friends and having large social circles are not the same thing. Women tend to have a few very close friends but do not socialize much outside of that small group, men have larger social groups through shared hobbies or interests but don’t have deep connections with many of these friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:22 PM
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Yes, most “social events” are not very social at all, people go with an already established group of friends and interact only with that group. Other events that actually encourage meeting new people have way more men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:45 PM
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Confidence is about how people view themselves. Arrogance is about the looking glass self, or how people believe others view them. Specifically, arrogance is when someone assumes others have a higher opinion of them than those others actually do. For dating, women care about a man’s looking glass self, but generally do not care about his own self-image.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:16 PM
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More of them are fat, more of them have too much anxiety to meet new people, and more of them have unreasonable student loan debt well into their 30s with no plan to repay it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:07 PM
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Meeting in person is better, but only if you have a time machine and can go back 5+ years. In 2023 women in general are just less healthy than men. More of them are fat, more of them have too much anxiety to meet new people, and more of them have unreasonable student loan debt well into their 30s with no plan to repay it themselves. A “matched” couple that formed years ago would be one where both partners have similar flaws, in 2023 whether they meet in person or online the woman will have more …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:18 PM
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How were they calculating messages? If men are the only ones initiating and women only respond to messages then the outcome makes sense: men will message all women they find attractive, women will ignore all but the most attractive men who message her, and will respond only to those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:59 PM
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Meeting in person tends to have the same problem as dating apps: fewer women than men out there looking. Women tend to socialize more with a small group of friends and in activities where they are not expected to interact with strangers, while men have fewer close friends but overall wider social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:25 AM
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Did most of those couples meet online? I know plenty of evenly matched couples who met in college, dating apps or even dating in person in 2023 is not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:14 AM
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If you're a guy who's a 5 on that scale and a healthy weight you should get some matches, but only with women 4.0 and below on this scale who are also 20+ lbs overweight. Also assuming the guy is over 6 foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:04 AM
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Depends on how old you are. If you’re 50+ then yes, good ‘ol boys clubs have hurt your career advancement and men’s opinions are more respected, but that is not true for younger generations. Millennials have grown up with such a focus on how sexism is rampant everywhere and they always need to be on the lookout most people below 40 will explicitly force them to more respect women than men. The numbers of women vs men under 40 who are promoted to management in my organization being drastically in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:36 PM
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Less pretty privilege. Also they may not qualify for jobs that exclusively interview at women’s-only conferences or corporate quotas to increase the number of women in management.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:49 PM
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Women who wear makeup will have some amount of pretty privilege over women who don’t, but that doesn’t mean women who don’t are any worse off than their male coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:39 PM
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That’s a great question to ask them. Maybe it’s like the data on men cheating more when their wife makes more money, some kind of defense against an imbalance in the relationship. Women who know they don’t bring equal resources to a relationship want to have something they can hold over their partners. But I’ve seen the apartments of enough single women I’m friends with to know they don’t keep things any cleaner than men when the housework is all on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:04 AM
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Men should do half of a reasonable amount of housework. The trouble is when women in relationships decide the couple needs to do 3x or 4x the amount of housework she was willing to do when living by herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:40 AM
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Men like other men more than women like other women, but women hate men way more than men hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:37 AM
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It’s not contempt or disgust. Men are taught that it is immoral to give romantic attention to women who don’t reciprocate, and that men need to improve their social skills to recognize these signs. So when shy and awkward women don’t flirt back, guys back off and treat those women as if they’ve rejected the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:30 PM
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Yes, men are struggling with dating if they can’t find partners who are their match.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:27 PM
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Go out and meet some single men, there are plenty who are objectively above average but still struggle. Or at least they objectively have their life together more than the average woman, but still struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:16 PM
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It’s not only those average overweight and poor dudes that are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:58 PM
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Where he living? My city, and it’s a plural “they”, not just a single “he”. US coastal city, not super large but not small town either. You are definitely not talking about guys with dating problems and absolutely not about the guys in the manosphere. Not talking about guys in the manosphere, but yes talking about guys with dating struggles. The ones not struggling have settled on some of these criteria, have their wives that are 8 inches shorter but a little heavier than the men (or a lot heavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:57 PM
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The difference is women want a man above their objective traits, men just want someone near their objective traits. I have no problem if women with good jobs and wealth don’t want men with 6 figures of debt. Do you have a problem with those women having that standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:48 PM
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Men be like: I work out 4-5 days a week and have 14% body fat, I’d like a partner who is fit enough that when she goes to the doctor the doctor doesn’t talk about her weight as a problem. Also men: I make 6 figures, own a home, have a degree and am completing another while working, and have a net worth above half a million in my early 30s, I’d like a partner whose is educated, has a job, and doesn’t have 6 figures of student loan debt. PPD women: Ugh, stop chasing Stacy!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:25 PM
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If you see the guys getting the most girls are usually confident/charismatic/funny etc And your just a awkward/shy dude then take notice of your surroundings Confident/funny vs awkward are the wrong measures. An extroverted guy that is awkward and has trouble reading social cues, talks over others, etc. will do way better than an introverted guy who reads social cues well and has confidence in his own abilities and intelligence. Women select for genetics, not things you can work on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:06 PM
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Unemployment only measures those looking for work, men’s labor force participation is far higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 02:02 PM
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Women’s social anxiety impacts more than just apps, it’s not like trying to meet people in person is any better for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:35 PM
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If the rate is the same the difference is just that men are disappointed for a longer period of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:23 PM
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Do you think this problem is unique to women? Women’s problem with dating apps is that while they have a lot of options 95% of them are bad personality fits and go nowhere. Men’s problem with dating apps is that they have almost no matches… and 95% of the ones they do have are bad personality fits and go nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:03 PM
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This was an engineering position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:12 PM
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I’d rather focus on the misandry of creating women-only job openings and promotion quotas for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:04 PM
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What if you get fired from your job, can’t work in your industry for a full year, and then are still looking for a job after that year when evidence comes out showing you didn’t do the thing you were accused of? Does that count as being cancelled?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:17 PM
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Nope. It means if you file for divorce in California the state will force child support, whether the receiving side asks for it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:58 AM
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“Child support is mandatory in divorce.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:38 AM
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No, I think there is a disparity in just socializing as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:16 PM
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Yes, if men only liked women as much as women like men the dating world would be incredibly different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:04 PM
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But I think men can improve a hell of a lot more than they think they can. I think you have an inaccurate view of which men are struggling, or at least which men are at this particular level where they could find someone but just need to hope her personality is good enough because the guy doesn’t have enough options to be picky on personality. You’re giving advice to the bottom 30% of men, but this problem exists for 60th to 80th percentile men, those already solidly above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:45 PM
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Women’s pickiness is what causes some men to consider approaching a numbers game. You’re asking why women should address the complaints when women dislike the consequences of not addressing the complaints…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:40 PM
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Mid to late 20s. Youngest maybe at 24 or 25, I don’t think any of the oldest hit 30 before marriage but multiple were 29 and in one case the wife was 30 when they married. None wanted to “rack up numbers”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:38 PM
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It would be better to take a few years off the market entirely and improve yourself and come back when you can have options and negotiate from a position of power The problem is that actually achieving this is too rare to be a real option for almost all men. Of my five closest married friends, all are college educated, well above median income, average height or taller, all at a healthy weight, and all take care of their appearance, are hygienic, and have mature, adult styled clothes. Also, only…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:34 AM
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Same reason women want abortions to be legal rather than just needing to pay to transfer the unborn to a surrogate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 10:07 AM
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“People” or “a person”?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 10:05 AM
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I didn’t say no one states it, I said men in general don’t which is true so long as it is generally rare. Even your counter example, as one person saying this, isn’t saying that it happens all the time but just pointing out that it has happened once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:50 AM
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No, I’m pointing out how the different independent pieces of advice don’t work when put together. First advice is many cold approaches, then do warm instead of cold, then don’t do many warm approaches, and sometimes all the way to don’t do any warm approaches unless there is clear interest on her end. Then back to it’s your own fault if you aren’t approaching. The advice is contradictory. Would you agree that "women flirting" might be the most vague, indirect actions a man would have to decipher…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:44 AM
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It’s more how you define consent: “no means no” or “yes means yes”? A lot of fantasy for women is “no means no” style consent. She doesn’t say anything or need to be clear on her intentions, but the guy just knows how she’s feeling and acts on it, leading at every step. A lot of the MeToo movement is “yes means yes”, a women is paralyzed or fearful in a situation where the guy advances and while she might not fight back she never explicitly consented so it’s sexual assault. In general either sys…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:22 AM
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So you think getting arrested like this is something that happens commonly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:37 AM
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There’s a strange motte and bailey with what type of approaches to do. Men should approach a bunch of women, but should look for those they have something in common with like hobby groups or extended social circles to increase their odds, but shouldn’t ask out a bunch of women in your social groups unless you get indications of interest from them. So men need to put themselves out there more, but also should not make any move unless the woman has already flirted with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:36 AM
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Guy said it happened once in this thread. Exactly the same as guys saying it all the time. You’re making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:25 AM
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Men don’t say this. Men say that asking out a high number of women will get you labeled as creepy and desperate, have social consequences, and could get you put on one of those Facebook groups to shame men. The women and blue pillers on here claim that you won’t be arrested, rather than address the actual complaints. It’s a common tactic that their arguments depend on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 12:53 AM
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Not all, but some would prefer that to their current relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 12:41 AM
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For better or worse, a lot of men will select partners just for the sake of having children. It’s not so much that they don’t want someone valuable as a partner, but they settle because they don’t think they can attract someone with all the characteristics they want. Among my 5 closest friends married friends none have had more than 2 girlfriends in their life, and only 1 of the 5 has had more than 1 long term relationship after high school. Men simply don’t have enough options to select for wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:20 PM
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Most are overweight or obese, but most guys will say a woman who is slightly too moderately overweight is not fat. There was a post maybe last week showing 3 women who were supposedly average, and the first was generally considered above average in the comments despite being overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:00 PM
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Like approach in general or cold approach at a club or in the grocery store or something? The problem for guys is when you specify one or the other. For cold approaches I don’t think they work for a majority of guys, and the risks they talk about here are more real. For warm approaches where you have something in common and start just getting to know each other as people, the odds are better but you need women to actually go out to places where this can happen. Outside of school and work modern …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:06 AM
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Girl Scouts doesn't do things some girls are interested in, therefore boys can't have their own spaces? Which is the responsible gender again? Men "lacking social skills" just means being introverted, which is fine for women but seen as problematic for men. Men very much need competition, you're proving my point by treated men as defective women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 05:05 PM
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PPD men are rattling off their personal attributes like their height + income + fitness and therefore they expect to find someone who's at least a 7+ because of that. I think it’s less wanting someone who’s somehow overall 7+ and more thinking “if I’m above average in X, Y, and Z, I can expect a partner who is also above average in those areas. Even if I’m below average in A, B, and C, that just means my potential partner might also be deficient in those areas.” The problem, which we see in how …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:03 PM
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Was Boy Scouts about encouraging violence, and that’s why it can no longer be for boys only? teach them hygiene, how to care for themselves, how to build, how to be creative, how to healthily express themselves Yeah, this isn’t what men need, you’re making my point. Men need spaces where others teach them how to be competitive without developing hatred for their opponents. They need to experience others relying on them, the combination of responsibility and trust that comes with that. These are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:53 PM
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You don’t see it because you think if men aren’t helping each other in the way women help each other then it doesn’t count. Women deal with pain by sharing, by feeling heard and loved, men deal with pain by finding a purpose to endure it. You don’t see men helping men because we’ve labeled that as toxic masculinity, it still happens but only hidden away in male only spaces, which continue to be attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:53 PM
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It’s just more evidence that the dating market has more men than women active in it, so men need to date down in terms of attractiveness if they want a partner. Being fit isn’t the only measure of attractiveness, but it’s easily visible and something both men and women almost universally want in a partner. It’s a visible indicator that men are also dating down in terms of financial stability, emotional maturity, kindness, and other traits almost universally considered attractive, but not as easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 09:08 PM
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I don’t know of any who have met that way in the past couple years. I know couples who met at school or work, those who met on apps, those who met at groups where getting to know strangers was more common like hobby groups, but there aren’t enough women in those groups for the men in those groups. And for every one of those couples that’s looks matched I see one of those couples with a fit man and a woman overweight to the point where she won’t live to see 80 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:56 PM
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That would require women to go out and interact with friends of friends, which doesn’t really happen. And how would you know values and interests if you don’t know each other well?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:32 PM
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How do you judge rehabilitation when you’re locking people up for crimes they haven’t committed yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:45 PM
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That’s basically the problem: for most men such hobbies don’t exist, and if all the men hoping to meet women through shared hobbies moved to hobbies with more women those dances classes would be 75% men. We’ve seen the studies on how men have so much trouble forming close friendships, the other side is that women have more anxiety about meeting new people and therefore in general meet fewer new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:41 PM
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It might not be exactly right, but warm approach would be any situation where you are somewhat friends first and learn a person’s personality and character before developing any romantic interest. There’s some study about a majority of relationships starting as friends first that blue pillers here like to link, but it ignores how this is heavily dependent on school because of how small the average woman’s social circle is after leaving school.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:37 PM
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Nothing destroys the idea that growing your social network can help with dating as a guy like seeing just how rarely most women make new female friends. Outside of work and school, women going out and socializing really just means sticking to their small circle of already close friends, even at packed events they don’t really meet and talk to other women. So “warm approaches” at events like concerts and festivals and hiking and whatever else are all looks-based, just like on a dating app. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:11 PM
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Self improvement is good for your personal life but I think for guys it has a net negative impact on their dating life. Self improvement tends to look at objective measures, more net worth and muscle/body fat and less subjective ones like charisma. The problem is women in general fall short of men by these objective measures, so men will improve and find they can’t attract a similarly fit or similarly financially stable woman, and it just increases bitterness about the dating market. Self improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 02:59 AM
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We have plenty of other data to say the average gap is much smaller. Means a lot of the difference is women who say they’re in relationships with men who don’t view themselves as in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 01:28 AM
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You’d assume that would be compensated for in the next age bracket, but it’s not. While the overall rate of being single is lower in the 30-49 group, there are still roughly 3 single men for every 2 single women. To account for the disparity with just age gaps you’d need like 1/4 partnered women in the 30-49 group to be dating men 50 or older (and zero 30+ women dating men in their late 20s). I guess red pill guys are right about dating younger if a 5 year age gap isn’t just possible, it’s actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:09 PM
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Waist to height ratio has been shown to be a better health indicator than BMI, with a general cutoff that waist circumference should be half a person’s height or less. I don’t think guys can look at someone and judge this exact ratio, but in general can tell how wide they are at their waist compared to how tall they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:23 PM
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There are a lot of people with average jobs who own houses, that doesn’t mean that an average job is all you need to afford a first house as Gen Z. Markets change over time. I know very few couples who are both out of college and met since the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:46 PM
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Saying something doesn’t matter for attraction doesn’t mean people shouldn’t do it. Learning how to golf is not a hobby that will lead to meeting women for most men, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it. Also, having a career and putting that career above all else are very different things. I am getting a masters and have a good job, but I wouldn’t put my job above my family or friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:34 PM
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The threshold is different, but it’s not that different, women mostly want the same things in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:34 PM
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Some women want the top 20%, others want the top 22%, it’s different for everyone!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:25 PM
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I’d imagine at least a third of all marriages wouldn’t exist if guys didn’t want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:22 PM
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So were you talking about every guy in the manosphere, or just some of them, or just a behavior that is common among most of them? I think it’s reasonable to say “the manosphere does X” when you really mean “a common behavior for most people in the manosphere is to do X”. The latter is overly wordy and reasonable people should assume the former does not necessarily mean “absolutely everyone in the manosphere does X”. My problem is your criticism is that the manosphere uses that shorthand, while …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 06:50 PM
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You’re still denying people can vary. Where did I say that? You might just entertain that 1 out of 100 isn't a monolith, but that’s still unacceptable. Where is your evidence that it’s 99% and not 80% or 51% or a loud 40%?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 05:30 PM
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Is that all manosphere types or just most of them? Or even just your anecdotal observation of most of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:56 PM
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Behavior of absolutely all of them or just most of them? So if studies and statistics to back up a claim I make would be hard to come by I can make that claim without sourcing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:55 PM
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Do you have a source on this being true of a majority of the manosphere? You’re committing exactly the same sin as you’re alleging with your initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:20 PM
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Some of it is conflicting standards: women want men bigger than them, not just taller, but also prefer the look of fit men. So shorter, heavier women will prefer more of a height difference so that her fit partner still weighs more than she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:18 PM
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Because its dumb to whine about simple facts and he should also know he’s rare amongst men. So fit men shouldn't complain about only having fat women as potential partners because fit men are rare amongst men and therefore they shouldn't have this problem? Or they shouldn't whine because their problem is a fact? I don't understand what you're saying here, it seems like logic that could be used on any case of someone complaining about a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 05:22 PM
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People arent always able to see someone’s stomache, especially if they tuck their shirt in or wearing a corset. You would certainly be able to before entering a relationship with someone, right? This is part of why men will claim to be catfished by online dating. Who said that? You said: complaining about girls being fat means nothing if you’re talking to an American Why would that be true for fit American men complaining about only fat American woman being interested in them? Shouldn’t the fit …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:36 PM
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Turns out just looking at how fat a person’s belly is gives a good estimation of health. Women naturally store more essential body fat but store less of it on their waists than men. Some people store fat in different places but there’s evidence that specifically looking at belly fat is a better predictor of health than overall body fat or BMI. Only 1 in 4 adults in the USA are the recommended weight for their size. How does this mean fit men should expect to have fat women as partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:57 PM
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How do you get "aren't worthy" out of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:31 AM
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tell them they aren’t worthy of someone who treats them well and loves them Where does this happen? Men tell women to pick better because they say they want these characteristics but then don't select for them. Women tell men to pick better because they say they want one thing but then select for other characteristics: It can't be “I have bad taste in women”. No, it has to be “AWALT”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:08 AM
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Who women choose as partners and which men father the most children are not precisely the same thing, women who have more children essentially get more votes on which genes (of the father and the mother) pass on to the next generation. Now this is anecdotal, but I see women having more control over the number of children couples end up having and see the child-free movement being much more common among more intelligent, or at least more educated women. Women are basically choosing to breed (thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:45 AM
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If you think of this place as a sub dedicated to hating men on the autism spectrum all the mod behavior starts to make sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:58 AM
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Define “at least some romantic success”. In my experience there are plenty of guys who meet all of those and don’t get to the point of introducing dates to their friends, if not falling short of early steps in the process. Wasn’t as much the case in college or 5-10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 09:15 PM
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Oof, what a sad day. I was going to just say no, that you need to be able to argue without getting upset, not just in romantic relationships but in work groups as well. Then thought about how most people can’t do that, and how I’ve never actually worked with a woman who could. I’m sure they exist, I just haven’t met one yet. What a sad realization…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:57 PM
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Men actually like other men, that's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:40 PM
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Like the woman from Roe v Wade? I wonder if they teach that part in schools now when going over the case...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:37 PM
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Please read the sub rules on trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 06:29 PM
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Who did you last vote for in the FBI election?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:35 PM
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Men dating and marrying women they don't like but want to look at also exists Who says this is ok? Is there any woman on this sub who wants to be in such a relationship with someone who doesn’t like them as a person or respect their opinions? I see plenty of women saying men should settle for women who aren’t attracted to them and it’s not an issue, but none who would accept a partner who doesn’t like and respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:51 AM
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I wouldn’t be surprised if much of that is people from different generations acting differently. Just because 35 year olds in 2023 have more sex than 25 year olds in 2023, doesn’t mean that 35 year olds in 2033 will have more sex than 25 year olds in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:43 AM
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Turns out fascists can win elections…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:33 PM
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Did you watch the video? I post a link, you ignore it, then ask for a link? Trolling is against the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:32 PM
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Is it just violence? Someone is facing jail time for a meme about being able to vote by text, despite the government having zero proof anyone was actually prevented from voting, and of course having b no consequences for people of other political ideologies posting similar content. These watch lists are looking for an excuse to bend the law to go after people they view as threats to their party winning elections.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:57 AM
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Yes, criminalizing any non-approved ideologies is a common occurrence in fascist states.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:26 PM
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Based on the spending habits of women in the relationships I’ve seen this is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:59 PM
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Most people marry others with comparable incomes. The median income gap is the man making 50% more than the woman. Imagine if the median age gap in relationships was the man being 50% older, would we call them people of comparable ages?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:21 PM
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Guys can only sell a living relationship if that’s what the woman is looking to buy. But an increasing number of women don’t care about that, they want social status from their relationship the same way they want social status from their filtered photos and boss bitch IG stories and luxury goods bought on credit and curated public-facing lives. Most women aren’t like that, but the women who are like that tend to be the ones still single as they get older, until it seems like they’re a majority o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:00 PM
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Not all women. Some women not wanting to date in their league has the same cause as many of those same women making a bunch of heavily filtered social media posts, taking pictures of their food instead of just being present with their friends, and needing safe spaces in schools away from anyone who disagrees with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:45 PM
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No, because I don’t see the same discrimination from hiring managers in other fields. We have these survey results showing bias against men in women-dominated fields, but in male-dominated fields like engineering I have seen job openings that specify only interviewing candidates at women’s-only conferences. There is discrimination in favor of women on both ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:53 PM
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Bartenders are about 2/3rds women, 1/3rd men despite being fairly lucrative for the low barrier to entry. From anecdotal evidence the cause is blatant sexism in hiring, and the same is likely true for jobs like childcare. The men who would want those jobs, for whom those jobs would be pay increases, cannot compete with the resumes of the women applying and deal with blatant sexism where women are preferred almost to the point of it being a requirement. Research on men being perceived as less cap…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:35 PM
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And women do jobs men don't want either, they just pay less. The men don’t want those jobs because they pay less. Or in some cases like servers or bartenders there are men who would love those jobs but there is a strong preference for women among hiring managers so the men don’t get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:56 AM
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If we assume women would never lie there’s nothing to fear. Unfortunately, there are many examples of women lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:59 PM
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Just like people who ask for std tests before having sex, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:57 PM
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The issue is less a moral one and more a practical one. Women tend to look for certain attributes in men, and while all these criteria are reasonable their independence makes the math difficult for most women to find an adequate partner. For example, I would say most women look for men who are: Somewhat tall In reasonable shape Facially attractive and who take care of their appearance Have decent jobs / incomes Have decent social skills / aren't mean Can cook / clean / plan dates / show up to pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 03:25 AM
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If we assume I’m right, then aren’t I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:28 PM
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How do I prove a question? You said not incels, but implied you were talking about people who bitch constantly, wouldn’t incels be the ones bitching constantly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:34 AM
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So your advice is for the men who bitch about not having dates or sex but that do frequently have dates and sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:25 PM
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Ah, I should have assumed you were talking about the problems for men who don’t have problems, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:12 PM
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Except for being ‘loyal and dependable’ and ‘kind and understanding’ incels had lower minimum standards across 15 different mate characteristics. I find it funny how some women here will keep posting the same advice while ignoring studies that show the exact opposite to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:03 PM
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It’s not even that, However, the interesting thing was that non-incel men made the exact same errors for every trait we looked at. So the results were that all men, successful or not, felt the traits women valued did not match the traits women said they valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:47 PM
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There’s this pervasive myth that defies reality that woman are not going for average men, which isn’t true. Who says it’s not true? We know there are perpetually single women who would like to be in relationships with the right guy, and many of them are above average. They have good jobs, are educated, stay in relatively good shape, take care of their appearance, and are fun and interesting people to be around. On the other hand we say perpetually single men are overweight, live in their parents…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:47 AM
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So how many rules need to exist for it to no longer be a free market? Do laws against polygamy or laws around child support and alimony mean today's market is artificially inflated in favor of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:19 AM
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I think this is only true if you define neurodivergence in the broadest sense, to the point where any man being introverted qualifies as being on the spectrum. In general I think people mix up being socially "skilled" with just being extroverted. It's like playing basketball with no refs where the bigger player might be viewed as "more skilled" but really they just push people around and aren't that good at the game. Extroverts can be very awkward but as long as they're loud people just sort of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:16 AM
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Equalizing social conditions starting in the latter half of the 20th century means that women don't need to pair up at all. This allows them to be much more selective about who they do sleep with, date and marry. Logically, this isn't a market problem, but a market correction. But why does this mean the previous market was inflated for men instead of the previous market being equal and the current market being inflated for women? Social limits on sex outside of marriage, or at least outside of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:35 PM
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Wanting fit partners is one of the most universal traits men and women look for and one of few traits that is attractive to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:27 PM
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I hear this a lot but this is so opposite of what my experience is irl. Really? Among couples I know in their late 20s and especially early 30s, the woman is in general the heavier one in the relationship despite being 5-6 inches shorter. Not all couples, but more than half.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:41 PM
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the entire market was massively, artificially inflated by the fact that women depended on men for their entire social, economic and political value. That doesn't make sense when the population is still mostly equal, it forces women to pair up faster but with the same number of men and women in the population that behavior by women will force men to pair up sooner and even out the market. Top 10% men still paired with top 10% women, same for middle quintile, same for bottom 20%, it's not like wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:29 PM
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Plenty of other analogies as well: if I say marriage is like a journey does that mean I'm saying women are like dirt because hiking a dirt trail is a type of journey? Lots of women on here (or men pretending to be women) like to play dumb and then report people for personal attacks when they get told their takes are dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:33 PM
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You would need to make an actual comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:30 PM
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The secret is to find a woman who doesn't have unrealistic expectations for your behavior, and is grateful for whatever you contribute. If only that was more than like 10% of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:49 PM
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How does it not work? Red pill isn’t about changing women or changing how the dating market works, it’s understanding how it works and changing individual behaviors as a guy to get their most optimal outcome. Women might feel shame at the descriptions, but the red pill doesn’t tell all women what they ought to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:46 PM
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I’d do a lot more for a good looking woman than a homely looking woman. And women would be well within their rights to judge you for that behavior, or attempt to pick men who didn’t behave like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:00 PM
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Why would anyone dobany sacrifice for the team when there is no team ? Given how women treat relationships as transactional you’re getting so close to understanding why men behave the way they do in marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:25 PM
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The issue is that these guys here who call themselves 'alpha' have never left their rooms, yet somehow they feel entitled to a young beautiful '10/10' woman. How does the work? That hasn’t been my experience of guys on here who claim to be struggling. Mostly they label others as Chad and use the term only to describe women’s behavior. Also, most aren’t saying they want someone who is 10/10, but lamenting that supposedly “average” women won’t date “average” men like them. You have a small subset …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:51 AM
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Yes, people have different standards for how clean things should be. The strange part is in my experience when women live alone they tend to have standards closer to men. Somehow the same woman who cleaned the toilet in her apartment once a month needs to clean the toilets in the house her and her husband own twice a week. Now, given married men earn more than single men, wouldn’t it make sense men are doing something similar with work outside the home? Putting in more effort and leaving themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:37 AM
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"Social skills" and extroversion are not the same thing. It's best to have both, but awkward extroverts do better than well adjusted introverts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:15 AM
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The men who struggle like this aren't the only ones who can't accept their reality, basically all of society can't accept that their situation exists. A man who is overweight and has no job and doesn't have his life together will of course know that his dating prospects are poor, the trouble is for men who seem to be at least decent partners who can't seem to find similarly decent women. So a guy might think that since he's in good physical shape and good financial shape and has hobbies and frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 02:19 AM
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What exactly do you think globalism means? Your comment comes across like saying someone can't be fascist because they drive an American-made car.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:12 PM
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Is it so hard to accept that surveys during years where data collection methods needed to be changed would be considered less likely to be accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:10 AM
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Men choosing to not do those things is viewed as sad. The difference is that men are assumed to have a longer window to achieve those things and are assumed to have less control over whether they achieve those things than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:43 PM
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Waist to height ratio above 0.5
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:40 PM
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Of the times I've been in a library or bookstore or really any type of store I've basically never had someone who didn't work there come up and start a conversation with me, nor have I done so with anyone else. I also don't know of anyone in my friend group who met a partner in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:25 AM
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Who said superior or that one works better? I said men have more friends in total but women have more close relationships. And when it comes to men's "isolation", it's mostly others saying it for them. The men themselves are perfectly fine saying they're mostly complaining about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:15 AM
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Sure, it's not 100% and 0%, but there's still a huge difference. Guys complaining about isolation is basically just due to relationships, finding friends as a guy is super easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:43 PM
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Yes, there is a huge crisis of social anxiety among women. Wanting to put down men with modern feminism comes from the same place as wanting to be special with brightly colored hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:40 PM
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As I said in another comment, the key with what we think of as women's spaces is whether or not you are expected to socialize with people you weren't friends with before you got there. Plenty of men like to play golf, but it's a poor way to meet people because you mostly just stick with your group. Similar story for all the places you listed, sure you can try to cold approach but the expectation at a library or museum or concert or painting class or farmers market is that you only need to talk w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:34 PM
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It's like claiming millennials who can't buy a house didn't go to college. Obviously having a college degree helps your income, but plenty of people who have them still struggle because of the overall market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:25 PM
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Friendship. Men who struggle with dating obviously have no friends, and especially have no female friends. Except for most of the men here who claim to struggle. They must be having friendships wrong somehow though, it can’t be the system that’s broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:09 PM
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It’s not that social networks are male dominated it’s that male interests will be male dominated and female interest will be female dominated. Go to a paint and sip venue - packed with women. A man would feel awkward there I’m sure. Spin class, yoga, yumba, boba places, restaurants, go to places that women go to you’ll see women. And what’s the difference between those male dominated spaces and female dominated ones? The spaces women dominate have the expectation of little to no interaction with…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:04 PM
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You pointed out the real issue - no friends. My point was that this issue of “no friends” is not true for many men, even if those men struggle with dating. The issue OP was talking about, a lack of third spaces, or as you said, a lack of friends, doesn’t explain the issues for men in dating, which is the problem OP is trying to give a cause for. I agree with you that such spaces exist, and disagree that a lack of friends is an issue for men. The root issue with dating for men is that women have …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:21 PM
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So when the Democratic Party talks about getting back to 70% marginal income taxes or upholding Roe v Wade or undoing banking changes that happened under Reagan, that means the Democrats are the right wing and Republicans are left wing in the US? A focus on tradition is the hallmark of any political ideology that is in power, whether right or left or anywhere on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:46 PM
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You can have friends as a guy and even find third spaces to go to and still not have any luck dating. I went to a rec center to learn pickleball with a guy friend within the last week, while they’re even met new people, but they were all guys. Similar stories with volunteering and professional organizations: either meet new guys or meet couples. There is maybe something to be said about guys having few close friends, people they can count on to pick them up at 2AM if their car breaks down. But i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:24 PM
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The difference is that your study was a meta-analysis of bunch of different studies and the data includes people meting anywhere from 2002-2020 indiscriminately. Not meeting between 2002-2020, the data was collected from 2002-2020. It could very easily contain data from couples who first met in 1990 or 1950 but answered the survey in 2002 or 2020. I also brought up that the data was mostly from people still in college, but got no response on that other than personal insults that I must just hate…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:19 PM
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The claim was that most people were friends before dating. Don’t want to link to avoid breaking witch hunting rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 10:00 PM
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That's not the same statement as was made in the previous post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:13 PM
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It’s amazing how quickly they start to insult you if you say that how dating works has changed in the last 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:36 PM
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Published study: “Between 2002 and 2020 we asked people who had been in relationships for an unknown amount of time how they met.” Blue pill logic: “This is data on how couples meet in 2021”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:25 PM
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Where did I cite anything? Also, you failed to answer the question which is telling. Please read your own study.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:32 PM
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How much of that data was from couples who met in 2020? You really should read the study before citing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:59 PM
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Date the article was written != date data was collected != date the relationships in question started. Also, a majority of the couples sampled were current students at the time of collection, which the study gives as 2002-2020. So yes, being friends first is a great strategy for college students in 2009. That doesn’t mean it works for single adults in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:19 PM
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Yes, dating today is far different from even as recently as the early 2010s. If you have been married for a while dating was significantly easier for you than it is for men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 04:00 PM
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The real moment he was talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:11 PM
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This is sort of the issue with dating: the problems women face men also face but since men have worse problems they don't complain about them as much. Women have loads of options, but almost all of them aren't the right people they want for long term commitment. Men have very few options, but also almost all of them aren't the right people they want for long term commitment. It's just that since getting a date at all is so hard for most men they don't believe they have the right to vet based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:31 PM
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If you go by BMI where any guy who's 6' and can bench 200 lbs is at least overweight, the rates are similar. If you want better measures then we don't have data. But if you look at severe obesity, where muscle and height are less likely to have an influence, the rate is 50% higher for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:58 PM
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But I've never seen any data that even in terms of fat % over norm, men in America are significantly less obese than women. Because we don't really collect that data. You also haven't seen any data saying that going by body fat percentage or waist to height ratio that men and women have roughly even rates of obesity. What we do know is at the extreme end, when viewing severe obesity where it's harder for muscle or height to have a meaningful impact, the rate for women is 50% higher than the rate…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:36 PM
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They don’t, they claim being fit as a man is not enough to be able to date fit women. Whether this is fit women sharing men or opting out of dating, or that BMI is a bad measure and there really are more fit men than fit women, these men know their dating experiences. It’s the women and 40+ crowd who warp the discussion into men being fat to invalidate and ignore other people’s experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:47 PM
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A lot of the guys here suffer with main character syndrome They don’t acknowledge that ugly (even normal/attractive women) don’t want to just get fucked by some stranger and want a relationship instead, to them if you CAN get sex then you have nothing to complain about These aren’t comments about what men think?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:40 PM
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You: “men think X” Me: “no, men think Y” You: “why do you have to make it all about men?” You made it about men first.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:19 PM
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Why did I bring up how men think I response to a comment on how men think? Is that seriously your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:02 PM
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Just because it’s harder for women to get a committed relationship than it is for women to get sex doesn’t mean it’s easier for men to get a committed relationship than it is for women to get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:09 PM
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Are we pretending beard thickness isn’t just as genetic as height?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:54 PM
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But surprisingly, you also can be equals and just…talk your issues through. Not all women! Being able to talk through disagreements in a mature manner is something of a skill and not all people have it. Modern relationships give men very little recourse if their partners cannot argue reasonably. You see advice like this for men that is basically survival tips for dealing with an abusive partner because a substantial number of women are verbally abusive partners. Not all women of course, just lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:07 PM
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For age gaps to be the reason for the difference we’d need the average gap among 30-49 year old women to be 5 years. Given the number of men who must be dating younger to make the 18-29 numbers work out and that 30-49 year old men are more likely single than 30-49 year old women, you need slightly more than 1/4 women in this group to be dating men who are 50+.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:03 PM
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I can’t even remember a time where someone on here made an actual counter argument, it’s mostly just stating non sequiturs or insults. Take financial abortions for an example, you might make an argument that they shouldn’t exist. Instead, people on here will say things like “since women have to physically carry children, they should be the ones to choose if the pregnancy is terminated”. None of that is an argument against financial abortions, because you can have financial abortions and still ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:57 PM
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Also interesting that all the paired off people were with SO's for at least 15 years. More evidence that when people say couples are looks matched, they mean couples that formed before 2015, not the current dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:46 PM
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This is the biggest difference. Obviously for casual sex, but even for committed relationships women just don’t like men as much as men like women, so women are more likely to be fine just opting out of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:23 PM
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Might not fix housing or education, but for the low price of doubling every income rate we could come close to funding M4A.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:41 PM
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The social security administration? Only in America can we take a flat 12% tax, let rich people get out of it, and then give retirement returns as if those funds were invested at 1% growth and think “ah yes, what a great program for the poor and middle class”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:56 PM
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Makes sense evolutionarily: pregnancy is tough on women so a woman’s body in poor physical health will seek to prevent getting pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:51 PM
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Why would everyone else pay? There’s a shortage of healthy infants available for adoption, if a woman lacks the ability to support the child herself even if she isn’t allowed an abortion she can give the child to a couple who really wants it. After a paper abortion she wouldn’t need to worry about the father seeking custody and needing to pay CP herself. I believe most of these programs even have the adopting family cover medical costs of the pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:17 PM
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So it’s virtue signaling for men to advocate for a system that treats men and women well, over our current system that treats women well and men shitty, because those men also don’t want a system that treats both men and women shitty? How is that a reasonable argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:29 PM
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Having men and women as friends, seeing how they spend money, talking to friends and family in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:45 AM
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No, we go based on years of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:19 AM
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I'm saying if a fit, financially literate man wants a fit, financially literate woman he's going to have a hard time because there aren't enough of those women for those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:21 AM
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Guys who make $30k but have no concept of how money works can spend the same as a person making $150k who saves money responsibly, the $30k dude will just have a lot of debt. The problem is for the responsible guy making $50-75k, even though he's above average he won't spend as much as guys making less and now has to limit his options away from women who don't know how to save money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:09 AM
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Yes, guys who make $30k can get women if they spend as if they’re making $150k. I don’t think this problem is true for all women and certainly not unique to women, but it’s frustrating for guys who struggle when their only criteria is “not fat” to learn that 90% of women are also incompatible due to differences in personality or values.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:07 PM
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Who says I ruled them out “from the start”? How many years have you spent flirting with and dating women in their 30s to tell me my years of experience are wrong? This is why men claim women here love to gaslight, because they will invalidate men’s lives experience because it makes women look bad. Imagine if I told women that no men on dating apps send rude messages because as a guy I don’t know any men who do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:37 PM
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Not stereotypes from the internet, personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:24 PM
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How do you know they don’t care about looks? In my experience the women who claim to be in this group “don’t care about looks” so long as their potential partner is fit while she is not, has a mature style and takes care of himself, is taller than she is. Shaming men for not dating down in terms in terms of looks while simultaneously claiming the women don’t care about looks doesn’t make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:45 PM
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Who says there’s more difference? If I want a partner who’s more mature I’m almost forced to date women under 30. While any individual woman of course gets more mature or stays about the same as she ages, the set of women who remain single into their 30s seems to highly correlate with being immature, at least in terms of dating. I can find a 27 year old who understands that whole plate spinning and keeping people around as backups might feel good in the moment it hurts your ability to actually s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:05 PM
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As a man, somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 are women. Work is heavily male, and while hobbies are mixed there are just more men involved with a bunch of different hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:07 AM
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You don’t grow conspiracy theories with evidence of the theory, you grow them with evidence of the conspiracy. We have a class problem in America, and not the upper/middle/lower classes that people talk about, but rather having an administrative class that work in media and government and HR and academia who believe it is their place to set rules for everyone else, and that it’s ok to lie to and manipulate people in order to get the right outcomes. The conspiracy is real, so grifters can sell wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:22 PM
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Women outlive their husbands Have so far, not necessarily guaranteed that this trend will continue. There’s research showing that measures like BMI that have men and women fairly similar tend to underestimate negative effects of obesity on women. Life expectancy is also tricky, we treat it as a measure of health in older people but it can be impacted greatly by causes of death at younger ages. There is certainly a disparity between men and women in “deaths of despair”, from suicide, alcoholism, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 05:15 AM
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What's the difference? The difference is having extra to share with someone else. From men this is expected, but for women the idea of having less to spend on herself in order to be in a relationship is beyond the pale. Even friends I know where the woman makes more the spending is unequal in order to make up for it (she'll have a nicer car, more to spend on her hobbies, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 04:20 AM
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Most women don’t view sex as transactional, but viewing it as such is sort of a requirement to buy in to the sex strike movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:42 AM
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Seek out situations conducive to meeting and interacting with new people in a less formal setting. I mean, this is sort of the larger issue for men with dating in 2023: the gender ratio in any such setting is so skewed about half of the men there have basically zero options. For all the doom about how dating apps are 2-1 men to women in even the best case, that's kind of everywhere for men. You can try sports leagues or trivia nights or volunteer organizations or professional societies, the best…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:23 AM
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It's a good example of how privileged women are in dating, that we treat problems men and women face equally as women's problems because men have other problems only they face. Unless you're fully bought into the idea that one gender is way more wonderful than the other, it makes sense that for both men and women the hardest part of dating would be finding someone with the right personality and values among the larger pool of people with whom there is mutual surface-level attraction. But we trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:58 PM
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How can someone know they'd even want to hang out/hook up with me without some casual interaction first? Unless you’re looking to date guys you’ve been platonic friends with for a significant amount of time, going on dates is how guys make this determination. Whether through online dating or through in person social groups most women do very little to show any sort of personality other than attempting to be unobjectionable. Guys just know that when you ask someone on a first date there’s a serio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 09:39 PM
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Exactly, every possible issue is so nuanced that there’s absolutely no way we can talk about so men should just shut up about their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 08:54 PM
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Yes, the dating market today is very different from 2010 or earlier when most of those average people paired up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:19 AM
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When posters here say “most people”, they neglect to mention that “most people” aren’t in the dating market now, haven’t been since covid started, and honestly haven’t been single at all in the last 5 years. It’s like people who bought houses before 2015 telling you there’s nothing wrong with the housing market, how most average people they know own homes they can afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:14 AM
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The point was that insurance generally doesn't cover the cost of these lootings, and the stores that are victims end of bearing the cost. Blaming victims happens everywhere in society, but we only treat it like a tragedy when women are the victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 03:52 AM
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Unless you own a store in any large city in the west coast of the US. In that case any theft you lose money to is your own fault for not having insurance. Kinda misses the race part since “Antifa” doing most of the looting are UMC white kids living off their parents, but point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:17 AM
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It's really funny as a guy in his 30s, listening to the Gen X-ers and 30-somethings who met their partner in college talk about how easy dating is. Yeah, it was easy for me too in the early 2010s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:51 AM
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Having female friends who are already in relationships is the biggest red pill. For all the talk of how guys who have trouble dating must be misogynistic, boring, and have no social skills for some reason women already in relationships don’t care and enjoy saying hi and catching up. Or maybe the social skills aren’t the problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:57 AM
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So if someone who isn’t fat filtered out fat people based on looks, they should expect to not find anyone interesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:51 AM
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On the other hand, if put in a male role, I think they may learn quickly. There’s nothing stopping them from taking the “male role” today if they wanted to. It’s like claiming women would be better athletes if they were allowed in the NFL, while ignoring that there’s no rule against women playing in the NFL today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 11:21 PM
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PPD men are the worst. I mean, not all of them, or even most of them, just the ones who create new accounts to LARP as women and say the stupidest shit while breaking sub rules to troll men before their new account gets banned. Those PPD men are the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 01:41 AM
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The math doesn't work based on what we know about average age gaps. If the gap in 18-29 year olds is from older men dating down, you'd need to account for those men in the older groups. So 30% of 18-29 year old women are dating older, assume that means 15% of 30-49 year old men date younger (since the age range is roughly twice as big). So for men 30-49 15% are dating younger and 25% are single, leaving 60% to date within the age group. But 83% of those women are dating, so 23% must be dating ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 12:10 AM
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Juggling is easy if you never have to meet or talk to the women, they just wait around not dating anyone hoping you'll change.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:51 PM
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If that was the case there wouldn't be enough men in the 30-49 age group not dating younger women to date the 30-49 women, so the rate for men would be lower. But instead the opposite is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:51 PM
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So when you say "hypergamous with youth", you mean how men would prefer to date women younger than their own grandmothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:46 PM
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What are they doing? Just gonna wait around their whole lives for the top 20% ? Are you friends with any single women? Especially single women 30 or older? In my experience this is exactly what they're going to do. The reality is that "not all women are like this", but the ones who aren't, even if they're a large portion of the population, pair up earlier in life and make up a relatively small portion of the dating pool the older you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:44 PM
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Men weren’t much more likely to be single It showed 3 single men for every 2 single women in the 30-49 age group. 50% more isn't "much more likely"? Imagine if the wage gap was such that men made 50% more on average, and guys came out and said "that's basically equal".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:37 PM
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Who says muscular is the only surface level criteria women can use?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:34 PM
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Women typically reject based off availability and perceived character. Men reject based off pure physical looks. No, this is wrong. If this was true women would agree to first dates with any guy who asked them, since you can't judge character and personality without getting to know someone. On the other hand, if men reject off pure looks then they would never break up with any woman who they went on a date with after seeing in person, because they can judge looks before getting to know them. Ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:04 PM
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Men are far less superficial, they just aren't zero percent superficial. Everyone has some percentage of the opposite sex they'd reject, and that can be split into two groups: those you would reject superficially before a first date and those you'd reject based on personality after a couple dates of getting to know them. Women will have a relatively larger percentage of the men they'd reject fall in the former category, while men would have a relatively larger portion fall in the latter category…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 08:23 PM
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Yes, but the difference is more than made up for with differences in muscle. The WHO defines obesity based on body fat percentage at 25% for men and 30% for women. When going by these cutoffs women are more likely than men to be obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:11 PM
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Did you read the links? The cutoff they use is not the same percentage, and is based on recommendations from the WHO.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:07 PM
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That's why I put dad bod in quotes. It's the sort of leanest possible definition, a guy with 13-14% body fat, just enough to not have visible abs, but he would still be considered "overweight" according to BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:30 AM
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Women naturally have more body fat than muscle so measuring obesity by body fat isn't completely accurate. There are different cutoffs for men and women, set by WHO, they're listed in the articles. Women tend to have wider hips that give them an hourglass figure so waist circumference measures work against them as well. Waist not hips. Again, not directly in those articles but I believe they link to other studies comparing waist circumference to health outcomes and why the health organizations h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:28 AM
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From other comments of mine: If you look at body fat percentage, the rate of obesity goes up for both men and women, but goes up significantly more for women. Similarly, this study found a population where being overweight or obese was significantly more likely in men when measured by BMI to switch and be slightly more likely in women when measuring by body fat percentage or waist circumference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:21 AM
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I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but use of the word "laymen" in this context is just brilliant satire of modern science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:02 AM
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Welcome to 2023, where "asking questions like 'I wonder'" is firmly anti-science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:59 AM
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You're about where I'm aiming for. By tape method I've cut from about 17% to about 14% this month, starting a slow bulk again next week. Goal for end of the year is adding muscle to 190 while staying at or below 15% BF. Hopefully a couple more cycles will get me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:49 AM
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They literally say they have a higher BMI. If you measure whether a person is healthy/obese in terms of body fat, the results change. If you look at body fat percentage, the rate of obesity goes up for both men and women, but goes up significantly more for women. Similarly, this study found a population where being overweight or obese was significantly more likely in men when measured by BMI to switch and be slightly more likely in women when measuring by body fat percentage or waist circumferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:39 AM
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This is only when using BMI. If you look at body fat percentage, which has a better correlation with negative health effects, the rate of obesity goes up for both men and women, but goes up significantly more for women. Similarly, this study found a population where being overweight or obese was significantly more likely in men when measured by BMI to switch and be slightly more likely in women when measuring by body fat percentage or waist circumference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:35 AM
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Sacrifice the forehead to keep the cleavage in frame, lol. The problem is more a symptom of "not all women are like this". Women have a bunch of different attributes they look for in a partner, and while none of them are necessarily unreasonable, the number of them and how independent they are makes it wildly unlikely a woman finds a guy who is even above average in all of them. If you have 6 different attributes, the chances a guy will be top 20% in all of them is only 1 in 15,000, the chances …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:54 AM
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I doubt that. BMI measures weight per height squared, but being three dimensional objects actual humans' weight grows with height cubed. BMI will overestimate obesity in taller people and underestimate it in shorter people. It's also far less likely for women to have enough muscle to put them in the wrong category. Almost all the women who are overweight according to BMI will also be overweight according to body fat percentage. Maybe some of them got lucky genetics with where they store it so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:43 AM
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How many men in public are shouting out their BMI? You don't notice the fit looking men who are technically overweight because they just look fit. Like Paul Rudd is right on the cusp, and because of how poorly BMI deals with height his build would be overweight on a 6' guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:19 AM
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BMI obese but body fat percentage fit is rare, BMI overweight but body fat percentage fit is relatively common, especially among taller guys. It's not 50% of men, but I'd bet 10% of men are overweight/obese according to BMI but fit according to body fat percentage. Meanwhile that's only like 2% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:14 AM
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I’ve seen it more often where the person giving the generic advice gets mad. Especially the “go outside and talk to people” crowd. Can’t imagine that guys can be fit, have decent jobs, and be social and still struggle, so if you claim to do all that you must be lying. They know because when they were single 15+ years ago it worked for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:44 PM
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If you look at the difference in single men between age 18-29 and 30-49 from Pew, it goes from 63% to 25%! So, one possible theory is that a lot of women are dating older men. It's only a theory if you can't do math. If the gap among 18-29 year olds is because something like 30% of women in their 20s are dating men 30+, we'd expect to see that reflected in the older age groups. But even though the percentage of single men goes down, the percentage of single women is even lower. So if 30% of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:53 PM
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You have it backwards, fat is less dense so you need way more volume of it to be higher BMI than muscle. If a woman can get perfectly lucky with genetics and only store fat in her butt and boobs, sure, she can look fine overweight. That’s less common than the guys who have visible six packs and are technically obese due to muscle mass. And the issue for BMI is also how it relates to height, you don’t need to be super muscular to be “overweight” as a guy if you’re taller. Here’s Juju Smith Schust…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:43 PM
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In terms of health and fitness it’s not “way more”, it’s like 7% body fat more. Only about enough to cover the excess muscle that even men who don’t regularly lift will have. Most of those “bad bitches” that have enough fat to be overweight are only attractive to a minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:01 PM
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About as heavy yes, but equally fit? Not so much. We know that based on BMI the rates of being overweight and obese are similar, but the limits of BMI mean it will overestimate obesity in men and underestimate it in women. BMI measures weight per height squared, but since humans are three dimensional our weight in reality scales by height cubed. So BMI will measure taller people as being more obese and shorter people as being less obese than they really are. It also fails to differentiate betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:58 PM
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So for the women in my social circle, it’s not special nor difficult to find a six figure man. But that’s only half the equation, it also depends on how many women those men have to interact with. Average guys can follow IG models, so for them it’s “not difficult to find” someone very physically attractive, but those women have huge numbers of men following them. Same thing with those high earning, tall, handsome men: with dating apps they aren’t limited to just dating their social circle. Once …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:13 PM
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There are way more behaviors than just career choice. There's how much time is taken off for child care, how many hours are worked in general since working more means not just overtime in fields that have it but also increased opportunities in fields that don't. Also how willing people are to change jobs or actively negotiate for higher salaries. Male Uber drivers earn more by driving faster and at times when the pay is higher. From your source: Previous research has found that women physicians …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:57 AM
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So same thing as women in STEM, or the wage gap? Never mind how having almost exclusively female teachers and learning environments geared towards women might impact how men make that decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:02 AM
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Look at new enrollment, not total that counts people who got their degrees 60 years ago. Women outnumbered men in 4 year college enrollment starting around 1980, and have outpaced men for the last 40 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:16 AM
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I think the difference is that feminism attempts to change society at large and male behaviors, the various men's movements today attempt to change... men's behavior. Men's rights movements are significantly smaller than things like redpill. It sorta gets brought up here but the gender gap in college education is as bad today as when Title IX got passed, but there's no real political movement out there to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:12 AM
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I don't think there's anything stopping it from inverting at some point The way society treats women differently than men is the reason it won't invert. I think men and women suffer from similar societal problems, but because men and women are different the impacts of these problems show up differently. So in the face of perceived societal stagnation and a lack of power and control over their own lives, men retreat to videogames and getting high, while women retreat to small friend circles and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 12:38 AM
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Until you see the stats for the 30-49 year olds. If 30% of women in their 20s are dating men 30+, you’d expect roughly 15% of men in the 30-49 age group to be dating these younger women (since the age range is roughly twice as large). But single men outnumber single women in the 30-49 age group, at 25% of men and 17% of women. That means you have 60% of men aged 30-49 dating women in that age group, but 83% of women in that age group dating in general, so 23% of women aged 30-49 would be dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:07 PM
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There are about 2 single men for every 1 single women in that age range. "That age range" is broader than you think. In the 30-49 age bracket there were 3 single men for every 2 single women, but the survey in general found men were more willing to be looking for a relationship than women, 50% of men vs 35% of women. That would mean even in the 30-49 age bracket there are 2 single men actively looking for every single woman actively looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:49 AM
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regular people dating regular people Lotta couples looking like kermit and miss piggy. Among my friends there are 2 groups: couples where both are in the top maybe 20% of people in terms of attractiveness, and those where the woman is 5+ inches shorter but 10+ lbs heavier than the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:37 PM
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I know, right? So a guy says he likes thin women, why do so many people need to get mad and come after him?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:24 PM
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That might mean it gets better for older guys, but might just mean it was better in the past than it is now. Dating in 2005 for 25 year olds being better than dating in 2023 for 25 year olds doesn't mean dating in 2040 for 42 year olds will be any good. Lots of blue pill gen X guys on this sub assuming what worked for them 20 years ago still works fine today.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:49 PM
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I think a comparison to legal but morally bad behavior is a poor argument for making the similar case illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 02:53 AM
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I don't think we have any laws against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 12:52 AM
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To not serve them more drinks that could be dangerous, sure. But no bar is getting in trouble because a drunk person ordered nachos.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 11:53 PM
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1 in 4 is “such a low percentage”? Especially since that includes all men 30-49, I’d expect early to mid 30s to be closer to the 60% single of men in their 20s. I think there’s a huge assumption that people will settle down more as they get older but the proof is that people settled down more when the dating market had different rules and norms from 2000-2010. Plenty of users on here will claim there’s no issue because when they were in college in 2004 dating was fine and they met their partner.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 09:44 PM
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The argument is they didn’t think it was a crime at the time, and in fact were enthusiastic participants. Just like the person buying things while drunk might complain the purchases were theft because they were too drunk to understand how much money they were spending.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:11 PM
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It happens to men more often because even when the mother has a history of mental illness and drug abuse courts tend to grant women custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:16 PM
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What? There are laws that say men need to take care of children they don't want, unless they are ok with also taking care of women they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:58 PM
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The OP used neutral language and specifically pointed out how both men and women could be victims of baby trapping when talking about the general issue. Then talked about men for the specific cases that are much more of an issue for men than for women. How is that lame? Are we not allowed to talk about women's issues if any men might experience the same thing, even if the magnitude of the issue isn't the same for the men? Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:15 PM
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Rape. Same as a guy claiming to be wearing a condom when he isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:01 PM
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Multiple things can be true. Both men and women can be baby trapped. Women have more options to avoid being trapped because abortions are legal in most places. Child support is not as bad as forced pregnancy but is bad enough that men would rather be married to a person they aren't sure they like that much rather than need to pay child support. Like, the fundamental problem with child support is that 95% of the population isn't bringing in enough income as parents to support owning/renting two r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:00 PM
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Some of the problem is how getting older will change which subset of all women are still single. It’s not even that women who are still single at 30 or 35 or 40 are less attractive than average for women of their age, it has to do with expectations. Most women understand if they have 6 different attributes they want a guy to be top half in, that’s 0.5 to the 6th power and only like 1.5% of men. So they go for guys who fit most, but maybe not all. A minority of women hold out for that 1.5% and fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 04:39 PM
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Yes, it is far easier with men. If a guy and I only talk when I initiate I’ll assume he doesn’t like me that much and we’ll stop talking. If I hold women to the same standard they get mad that I’m avoiding them. Not like super angry, we’ll just talk at some point later and they’ll say something like “I feel like we haven’t talked in a while, what happened?” What happened was I was initiating 100% of the conversations, so I stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 04:16 PM
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If I could read it so can you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:53 AM
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Go test put the formula with some actual salaries. The formulas list “discretionary income”, but it’s not, it’s basically all after tax income. Kids might make having a life hard but so does needing to have roommates in your 30s and 40s since you can’t afford to rent your own place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:20 AM
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And I’ve never seen any data ever that concludes men get zero custody 50% of the time when they request it. That doesn’t seem accurate. Read the published research linked in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:13 AM
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Check the link in my other post, it goes into numbers from a couple different studies. The basic idea is that even if you limit to men who push for custody, they only get at least partial custody 50% of the time. So they aren't averaging 50% custody, half the time they get absolutely nothing, even if only looking at the men who fought for it, and when they get greater than zero it's often split. Hurray equality!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:47 AM
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Based on the post yesterday? a couple days ago? about how child support is calculated I would push for as much custody as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:42 AM
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Exploring current societal norms of post-divorce fatherhood, she concludes that the law's and society's treatment and expectations of divorced fathers may be facilitating their disengagement. Academic articles linked in post. Now, do you have a source for your claim besides "trust me bro"? Or like this article says, is it when fathers seek custody, they get full or joint 50% of the time, while women get full custody 50% of those times?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:49 AM
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I'm in Europe but the last statistic I saw said that when men actually asked or wanted custody, they had it almost 50% of the times if the child was of school age Asked and wanted are not the same thing. Men are discouraged to seek custody because of the legal expense and unlikelihood of winning, so they only seek it in cases where they have the best shot of winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 11:42 PM
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Like what? I figured income taxes would be best since they’re progressive, I guess if you wanted a more regressive way you could increase payroll taxes instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:37 PM
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Personal insults everywhere All reported, mods don’t care. Same thing with the “parasites” post. Please update the sidebar so the rules match the enforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:36 PM
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You can’t just multiply them. The average premium for single coverage in 2022 is $7,911 per year. The average premium for family coverage is $22,463 per year And yes, M4A costs less in total. It also requires doubling all income and capital gains taxes, plus a little more to get to the extra $2-3T per year needed to fund it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:24 PM
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Mods when someone calls people on the spectrum “parasites” who need to be eradicated: totally fine. Mods when you tell someone the dating market is different today than it was 10 years ago: Be civil. Can we get a sidebar change noting that the rules on civility don’t apply when making fun of people on the spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:16 PM
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Right, it would reduce costs for everyone in total, and also cost the federal government an extra $2-3T per year. Income and capital gains taxes right now bring in $2T per year. So you’d need to double all those rates plus find some extra revenue sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:05 PM
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Spoken like someone who hasn’t been on the dating market in 10+ years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:25 PM
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So after we double all income tax rates to pay for M4A, where do we find the additional taxes to pay for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:24 PM
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Yes, as a guy who’s fit, has a good job with no debt outside my mortgage, and has interesting hobbies beyond sitting on my couch watching Netflix, I would rather be single than have a partner who is none of those things. If that’s somehow unreasonable to expect a partner who is roughly my match, I’m going to assume it’s because women in general just aren’t as good at life as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:18 PM
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Lol, you think women get more fit when in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:02 PM
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Blue pill advice: be happy about failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:59 PM
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Do you think only friendless shut ins struggle?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:17 PM
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What standard is so difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:52 PM
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I don’t know if any woman who struggles if her standards are just things she herself meets.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:35 PM
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How does talking to people on here mean you know their weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:13 PM
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Do you think that’s realistic, or should that be a struggle for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:39 PM
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How do you know? Have you seen them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:48 PM
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PPD guys have such unrealistic standards, thinking they should have a fit partner just because they’re fit themselves. Thinking they should date someone without kids just because they don’t have kids themselves. Thinking they should date someone 2-4 years younger since that’s the average for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:37 PM
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Ugly woman. Men treat ugly men better than women treat ugly women. You're mostly invisible to the opposite sex either way, might as well go for the option that has an easier time making friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:19 AM
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The problem with most male role models is the same problem with bluepill advice: for men who are unhappy with their outcomes in dating the advice boils down to "change nothing and maybe something different will happen." There are a lot of good arguments against redpill, especially Tate's version of it, but so long as the alternative is "change nothing and hope" guys will seek out other ideas. OR If guys truly believe bluepill is the best strategy and it doesn't work for them, where else can they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:50 AM
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Fit women tend to have fit husbands, but plenty of fit husbands do not have fit wives. My brother and his wife have been married about two years, she’s up 30ish pounds and he’s the same. The guy I work most closely with is probably 70 lbs lighter than his wife. My friend from the rec league I play in travels with a city-wide team out to various tournaments, wife is obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:38 PM
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I agree on women with kids and fat women, not as much on over 40. I think some of this is Reddit bias, the idea of not wanting kids is way more common here than in real life. I won’t go as far as some here thinking women at 30 basically can’t have kids anymore, but at 40 I don’t think it’s in the cards anymore. At that point it’s a different market and such a small piece of it the default is to not include it. It would be like talking about the housing market and including people who buy full ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:26 AM
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If you think understanding terms within the context of a conversation is “regressing”, I guess go ahead. I’m going to keep following the context of conversations just like I do everywhere else in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:28 PM
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So when I quoted you talking about “their older, married mother”, you took that to mean I’m talking about single mothers? Explain that to me. Better, explain how I should to the behavior of women who have tossed one marriage aside already if I want a relationship that lasts, but if I avoid those women obviously I just want casual sex. Further, why should women of different generations behave the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:57 PM
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I wonder what word the use to describe the gender of their older, married, mother who birthed them. Not necessarily a different word, they just wouldn’t talk about her in the context of discussions around dating. If I go to a sub that talks about careers, when I say “men” I’m not including my retired father. It’s not that I don’t think he’s a man, but I know his behavior isn’t relevant to current career markets because he’s not in them. So if I’m talking about the dating market, when I say “wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:17 PM
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It’s close by bmi, not as close by body fat percentage. Bmi does a poor job of accounting for height and muscle. It measures weight per height squared, but since humans are 3 dimensional objects their weight actually scales by height cubed, so bmi overestimates obesity in taller than average people and underestimates it in shorter than average people. It also just measures weight so it counts muscle and fat as the same thing. On the extremes this means NFL players with six packs get classified a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 02:05 PM
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Why does construction pay more than double childcare or eldercare? Because the "paid" versions of these jobs are often for consumers relying on state funding and going for the bottom of the market. Households with more resources either hire private nannies / butlers / housekeepers that earn a much better living or more often have some member of the family do the work, but with a quality of life far above what they could afford on a construction worker's salary. It is like if we defined "construc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:35 AM
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It's easy enough to blame men when the patriarchy is some vague concept, but as you define it as specific behaviors it turns out women are the primary contributors to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:29 AM
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Yes, that’s why women are more picky about physical characteristics than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:05 PM
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For a first date or marriage? Outside of being overweight/obese most criteria guys look for are things you can’t tell until you spend a couple dates getting to know someone. Women have more surface level criteria and do more of their rejecting before even getting to know a guy on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:27 PM
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Imagine viewing relationships so fundamentally as transactional that when someone talks about having a deeper emotional connection to their partner than to their friends and family all you can think is “free therapy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 04:56 AM
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I have never saw any boyfriend as my free therapist. Where the fuck is this man's friends and family? Making my point: women expect relationships with friends to be closer emotionally than with their partners. Never mind viewing relationships as so inherently transactional that you confuse emotional closeness with "free therapy".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:15 AM
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You ignored the arguments about why the study was flawed, and either just restated the study or insulted the people who brought up criticisms. If you respond to criticism with an insult you’re not ignoring the person but are ignoring the criticism. You insulted me for restating one of your arguments but changing the subject, which was rather funny to watch you insult yourself, but not very productive debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:52 PM
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Did you read the thread? Like the top comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:47 PM
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It’s no wonder so many men look towards women for comfort Men don’t look to women in general, they look to only the women who are their partners, because they are their partners. It’s like claiming women view men as servants because they expect their partners to help cook but don’t expect that from their female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:47 PM
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Well this particular study was crap, people explained why in the comments of the original post, and the OP has just chosen to ignore them and act dumb about any criticisms of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:08 AM
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Have you read scientific research? Like, it's better than people doing their own research on facebook but it's closer to facebook than it is to what people who don't understand it think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 12:50 AM
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Most people treat romantic partners better than friends and friends better than random people you don't know. So yes, I'd expect a partner to treat me better than my friends do, but that doesn't mean my friends "treat me like shit". The trouble is too many women give better treatment to female friends > random people > male romantic partners > male friends. As a guy if you match their treatment then women can't take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 12:16 AM
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You could make a case for looking at other behaviors. If a group reports the same level of happiness but is 2X as likely to need medication for depression and 5X as likely to use illegal drugs that might be a sign they aren't really as happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 12:09 AM
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Buy that ones environment have an effect the ones decisions? I don't buy that women are helpless creatures with no agency whose environment is entirely controlled by the men in their life. You know the in-depth diet dynamic of a bunch of couples? Why do you believe that it's a fantasy? Yes, I have friends, family, coworkers, and in none of those couples is the woman a helpless creature with no agency whose environment is entirely controlled by the men in her life. So when you say: If your SO got…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 09:22 PM
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as long as the composition of what you eat is reasonable You can’t just ignore half the statement and call the other half ignorant. Trying to eat enough to put on muscle is really hard if you actually have a healthy composition to your diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 06:59 PM
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Unless you’re force feeding them junk food I don’t buy this. The couples where I’ve seen it happen are cases where the woman has agency and control over her own choices, not whatever fantasy ppd women live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 06:55 PM
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If the composition is good it's hard to overeat for both men and women. If the composition is shit it's way harder for men to only eat the same amount as their female partners. It's the man going on a diet while the woman does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:52 PM
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It's natural for food intake to sync when cohabitating. No, your body knows how many calories you need, and as long as the composition of what you eat is reasonable it's rather hard to overeat. If only one person is gaining body fat then only one person is overeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:03 PM
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Diets are hard unless the whole household participates. Yep, this is the source of a lot of resentment from men. Knowing that they’re sticking to a diet and have a steady weight while their partner gains 30 lbs in 2 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:40 PM
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Family Guy did it first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:43 AM
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People in relationships are matched. Long term single women are generally beautiful and successful and high value, while long term single men are weird incels with bad hygiene and no jobs whose only hobby is video games. So those people in relationships being “matched” only makes sense if you consider women to be in general more attractive. An 80th percentile man with a 70th percentile woman is “matched”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:56 AM
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What takes hours? Maybe cooking but like I don’t vacuum my whole house every day, only do a couple loads of laundry per week. Setting up a date takes about as much time as setting up a doctors appointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:19 PM
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I don’t think guys are romantically attracted to most women, or that the attraction is based on who they think they can get. Guys who struggle getting dates at all are just more likely to settle for people they don’t find all that attractive based on personality because they have so little opportunity to date women and see which personalities they mesh with best. It’s similar to how all people want to work at a job that treats them with respect, but if you’re unemployed for too long you’re more …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:52 PM
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Same could be said of household chores, or setting up kids doctor appointments, or anything else that is considered “mental load”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:35 PM
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It is about 98-2, but only for some women. Women (rightfully) look for multiple different qualities in men, but these qualities being independent means it is hard to find a guy who fits all their criteria. So a woman might want a guy who is: tall fit has a good income has an attractive face is outgoing/funny is confident/can handle conflict without getting upset Individually, each of those things is reasonable. But since they’re all independent, just being top half in all six will only be true f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:32 PM
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Men are expected to carry more of the mental load when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:52 PM
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No they didn't. And if they did, they wouldn't fucking tell you because that is illegal. Clear giveaway OP has never had a corporate job. Companies will brag about supporting diversity by hiring exclusively from a women’s-only conference or about retention rates that imply gender quotas because the management don’t understand statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:54 PM
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“How come we never hear about the MGTOW guys who just quietly go their own way and don’t say anything about it?” Because they’re quiet about it. The existence of fake MGTOW doesn’t mean no real ones exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:06 AM
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But a guy won’t know if he makes her uncomfortable until after he does so. The same behavior from a guy she finds attractive is fine, but one who’s unattractive is not. Women make the same excuse: they don’t want to initiate because it makes them seem desperate. But guys don’t assume every woman who initiates is desperate, if he finds her attractive she’s confident, if he doesn’t she’s desperate. The woman doesn’t know until she actually does the initiating. Same thing for guys, if she finds him…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:41 PM
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But again, the complaints clearly aren't stopping anyone. They are stopping some people, they just aren’t stopping everyone. Women are preferentially selecting men who don’t care about making women uncomfortable in order for those men to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:01 PM
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Q4W: we hear about how couples are mostly matched up, but what about the single people? Is the average long term single woman as unattractive as the average incel / long term single man?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:54 PM
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It’s less of a big deal if both people involved are attractive. Women want a man bigger than them, not just taller. So if a 5’4” overweight woman who’s 50th percentile can pull guys who are 70th percentile because they’re “looks matched” she’s not gonna be happy with a 5’8” guy who’s 70th percentile because he weighs less than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:53 PM
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Lots of average couples with 5'10" guys and 5'3" women who weigh the same, looking like kermit and miss piggy. Treatment of each other also about like kermit and miss piggy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:21 PM
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The help seems a rather poor trade. Helping women is about allowing companies to post jobs and promotions that are only available to women, helping men is about outlawing something that happened to me as a baby that I have no memory of and saves me ten seconds in the shower every day. Would you support quotas on college admissions to bring male enrollment up to 50%, and in exchange we'll outlaw abortion because some people use abortion as a way to select for male children over female children? O…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 05:16 PM
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How does the “be civil” rule apply for when people accidentally insult themselves? Should I report those comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 03:57 PM
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You still don’t get the analogy was to show how ridiculous YOUR argument was. Your reasoning for why sex wasn’t a need could be applied to absolutely anything, so I chose the most absurd conclusion that was obviously a need to show how bad your argument was. Then you insulted me, not realizing you were insulting yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 03:51 PM
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Do you think it’s only fat, unemployed men who live with their parents who struggle?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 03:44 PM
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Calling people children is an insult, not an argument. You said men who want sex and don’t get it are not unhappy, and your reasoning is that they are unhappy because they act like children. That’s not an argument, you’re arguing against your own conclusion just for the sake of being able to lob an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:35 PM
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But how does that back up your assertion? You’re saying that sex isn’t a need because people who go without it can be happy. Except if people who want it and go without it might be unhappy, then happiness isn’t a good measure because being unhappy about not getting something you want is common? You’re saying X is not true, because X is obviously true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 08:13 PM
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That was a lot of work to avoid the mention of childhood abuse and the effects that has on adult behaviors. Also seems to strawman the more rage-y arguments from unsuccessful men. Basically I don’t think it’s hypocritical to on one hand say “doing X is the best strategy in the current system” and saying “the current system is unfair and should be changed”. Certainly don’t wait on others to change and make that your only hope for success, but the existence of a best course of action isn’t defense…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:22 PM
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The study shows the absence of sex itself does not lead to unhappiness. Sure, but that’s not what you claimed. You claimed the absence of sex when you want sex isn’t harmful, which is not supported by the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 04:58 PM
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Not having sex when you want sex isnt harmful either. How are you backing up this claim? The post you’re responding to makes a good argument that the study linked doesn’t actually back up this claim, because it doesn’t control well for desire for sex. Yet you’re just stating the now unsupported claim as true to argue why that same claim not being supported doesn’t matter? How does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 04:30 PM
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This okcupid data? https://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/5i6m5y/women_have_unrealistic_views_of_how_men_look/ It drops off at the extremes, but is mostly uniform. Basically it shows a 1-7 scale, with about 20% each at 1-2, 3, 4, 5, and 6-7. Truerateme would say the bucket for 4 should be much bigger than 3 or 5, but it’s really not. For the gap yes, I mean the difference between model and average is less than between average and deformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 05:37 AM
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The idea that everything is a bell curve doesn’t match reality, especially for something like attractiveness which is a combination of other factors. For instance, we know excess body fat is generally not attractive for men or women, and we know body fat is not a bell curve. Similar with different aspects of facial symmetry: most people will be close on any one metric with decreasingly smaller numbers of people having greater deviations. If you’re judging symmetry you might have very few people …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:56 AM
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You can get married before having a career. In fact, say you’re a woman who wants to have both a family and a career. Maybe you plan on having two kids two years apart and even staying home until the youngest is 5 and going to school, so you’ll miss 7 years in the working world. The best option for having a successful career in that case is to miss time at the start, rather than missing it somewhere in the middle. Delaying marriage until after getting a career set only makes sense if that career…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 08:36 PM
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Would you want to go into a relationship with someone who has a chip on their shoulder about your whole sex. It would really hurt my chances to disqualify 75% of women right off the bat like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:36 PM
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Should this apply to hiring as well? Would you support a company opening a developer / engineer position that only women are allowed to apply and interview for?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:24 AM
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Making money isn't the only reason to do something, and is two steps away from fraud instead of just the direct reason for the fraud. You can have: I will commit the fraudulent scheme -> so that people invest money in my scheme -> so that I can keep that money for myself. You can also have: I will commit the fraudulent scheme -> so that people invest money in the scheme (by voting to continue it) -> so that I win elections.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 05:57 PM
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Ponzi scheme means payouts come from new investors paying in rather than the underlying value of the fund. Social Security started by paying out to people who had never paid in, and today pays out more than it collects in revenue. That's how Ponzi schemes work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 02:27 AM
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Yes, Ponzi schemes work well at the start. If you tax workers and businesses 15% of their income then pay out benefits like those workers had invested 5%, doing better than people who saved 0% isn't really a big win.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:48 AM
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It pays out less than if the money put in went into a basic market index fund, it is currently subsidized by other taxes because it pays out more than it generates, and the trust fund is on pace to run out by 2035. "Doing fine".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:45 AM
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Ah yes, all those people before social security who were forced into saving 7% of their income (really 15% but we hide the employer-side) who still didn't have enough to retire on... Oh wait, no, that wasn't the case at all. Ponzi schemes work really well at the start, but only idiots and I guess most American voters think they can go on forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:06 AM
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Socialism is working class owning the productive capital. But the working class have a tendency to trade any ownership they do obtain for cash they can spend to like pay bills and such because life is hard. Therefore, the government decrees that they must "save" 7% of their income for retirement, but not in a way that lets them own anything, just by giving that money to the government. The government will totally pay them back in retirement, just maybe not as much as their 7% would have grown to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 12:51 AM
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Allowing people to opt out of social security is the single most “socialist” policy proposed by either party in the last 30 years. Yet Reddit socialists hate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 12:12 AM
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I think this line of thinking is the cause of a lot of misogyny. It’s easy to tell an overweight slob that people end up with their match and he should stop being so picky. But when you take a guy who is fit and has a decent job and not much of any debt and dresses well and takes care of himself and has friends and hobbies outside of drinking, watching Netflix, and having a pet, and that guy says “I want a woman who also has these objective qualities”, it’s tough to tell him he’s being unreasona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 03:52 AM
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Highest meaning most volume per person or using alcohol more often? Based on the people I know I’d guess men drink more when they drink but the women drink more often. It’s been strange being more active in dating just how many women drink more often than not on days during the week. I don’t think the same is true for my guy friends, but maybe they just don’t talk about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 03:53 AM
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There are more women than men graduating with college degrees, so some percentage of women who have degrees and value education won’t be able to find a man who similarly went to college. I wouldn’t say those women have “sky high standards” and shouldn’t be able to complain. Similarly, if you go by body fat instead of just bmi I think there are more men than women in the healthy range, so most men who complain about their looks match are the guys whose match is overweight while they are not. Thus…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:16 AM
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Does she meet her own standards? Most men don’t complain about their match, but the ones who do have 6 inches and 0 pounds on their looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:34 AM
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Two big issues in the US: Other countries currently benefit from the US subsidizing research costs by paying higher prices. While the increased negotiating power of having a single payer would decrease costs in the US, they wouldn't match what other countries are currently paying, but rather those other countries and the US would meet in the middle. We know companies in highly technical industries that sell solely to governments can still make a profit because we have the defense industry. So mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:26 AM
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I do not think “normalizing” changes preferences. Men’s preferences haven’t changed due to fat acceptance, why would I assume women’s standards would change?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:10 AM
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Just women’s preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 02:45 AM
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The Big Bang Theory I love how a show built around the idea of a couple where the man is way less attractive is actually a pretty looks-matched couple just because the guy is shorter and they don’t dress him as fashionably. Imagine if guys could just go to the store and purchase their way from a 4 to a 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 02:35 AM
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If your generalization is that we shouldn’t generalize and use it to shut down discussion people will be upset. If you say we need to limit the cost of college because student loan debt is too high, and I respond that debt is variable and some people have no debt, therefore we shouldn’t treat student loan debt as a problem, you’re going to be rather upset with my generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:29 PM
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Preference is zero. Like, unless you live on a farm or something it’s hard to provide an adequate environment for your cat without wrecking the local ecosystem. Most people, like 99%, who have indoor cats don’t play with them enough or give them enough stimulation. Your cat was built to hunt, if you aren’t simulating that for like 3 hours a day it’s going to be extremely bored. On the other hand, people in cities and suburbs who let their cats outside end up destroying local ecosystems which are…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:32 AM
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Such convincing examples…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:25 PM
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Republicans don’t do the first three and democrats/ the left do. People all over the world define fascist as anyone they disagree with. Which aspects of the republicans specifically are fascist? Which groups of theirs are inciting riots to prevent political opponents from speaking? Or setting fires and breaking windows if court cases don’t go their way? Who on the left is being silenced by big tech at the request of the White House? Which democrats had their phone lines tapped due to information…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:12 PM
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Aspects of fascism I care about: Close cooperation of government and corporations to attack political opponents. Non government groups that engage in low level violence aimed at average citizens and businesses to intimidate them into supporting one side politically. Never ending criminal investigations into political opponents, often based on lies or made up infractions. Election denial, enacting changes to election procedures in order to aid the favored political party. Democrats hit all four, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:01 PM
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Far right and fascist are not exactly the same thing. Libertarian is also far right and very different from fascism, while the CCP in China is probably the best example of fascism in the world today and somehow they went from far left to fascist without ever really being in the middle. If you list all the bad parts of fascism they apply more to the democrats than to the republicans, given more close cooperation between democrats and media/tech companies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 09:56 PM
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Somebody should tell the democrats what the left wants, I don’t think they know. Remember: build back better did not include tax rate increases on the rich, but did include raising the deduction limit for state and local taxes above the current $10k per year maximum. Leftists may want more taxes on the rich but democrats want tax cuts for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 09:32 PM
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You were the one claiming they would filibuster the sick day option if it was the only option.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:17 PM
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If actual math worked the way Bernie thinks it does we’d be in a very different place. The cost of M4A is somewhere on the order of needing to double income tax (including capital gains). If you have accurate cost estimates support among democrats would plummet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:09 PM
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M4A is not supported by the majority of either party. Whatever majority democrats have there will always be just enough “garbage” democrats to go against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:00 PM
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So why not make the sick day bill the only option? If the GOP is only going to cave to avoid a shutdown why give them two options when one option you don’t like?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:42 PM
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They can only charge money as a package with other channels. Nobody is paying for Fox News without also paying for CNN and MSNBC which are similarly biased but left wing. The broadcast channels make more money because they can advertise to a larger audience. It’s like arguing that Coke is not a big soda company because Red Bulls cost more. If Coke and Pepsi were on one side and Red Bull on the other which side would you say big soda is on?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:41 PM
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They don’t need GOP support to pass either bill, and if they want to ensure the bill with the sick days passed they should have made that the only option to avoid a shutdown.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:35 PM
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No. Fox News is among the second tier of news channels in the US, with the broadcast channels that are free over the airwaves being significantly larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:33 PM
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Democrats have controlled the house, senate, and presidency for two years now. When does the M4A bill get passed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:28 PM
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Why not make it an actual amendment to the original bill then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:11 PM
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So the Senate will need to vote on them separately, it did not amend the single bill going to the Senate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:08 PM
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Was it an amendment or separate bill? Everything I’m reading says two separate bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:59 PM
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Supporting workers today means not forcing them to not strike. Making the “forcing them to not strike” look marginally better does not help that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:48 PM
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How is the spending on MAGA candidates a hypothetical, it actually happened. If this vote is proof republicans don’t want to help workers then that spending proves democrats believe the 2020 election was fraudulent and stolen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:45 PM
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Why would they want a very bad bill to have a slight PR win? Remember how Democrats have a bunch of money to MAGA candidates in GOP primaries? Same thought here. If parties were switched you’d be defending democrats shooting down the amendment, that it was being used trick the public into accepting a bill that is overall bad for workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:33 PM
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Men refusing to be gaslit is not misogyny. When women say “men should do X to achieve better dating results because women are like Y”, a man who has tried X and not been successful will not “admit defeat” because doing so would mean disregarding his own observation of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:26 PM
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If the parties were reversed Reddit would be all-in supporting Dems for voting this down. It’s an amendment to a shitting bill that shouldn’t be passed to begin with, attempting to save face with a bill that still overall screws over rail workers because the government was unable to force the companies to agree to an actually fair deal. Saying republicans should support this is like saying democrats should have voted for ACB for Supreme Court because she wasn’t as extreme as others the republica…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:36 PM
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I’ve seen it more in response to the idea that men have it easier in dating or even that men and women have it equally bad. Basically men and women have different roles, but women could choose to have the benefits and disadvantages of the male role just by choosing to take on that role, men do not have the option to choose the female role.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:25 AM
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Your source is a study you didn’t actually link to, just an opinion piece that vaguely references it. I’m not saying the research is wrong, I’m saying it’s a big jump from what the research actually says to the claim you made. Classic Reddit debate tactic: make some wild claim, enter keywords into Google, link an opinion article that references some research, then claim anyone who questions the link between the research and your wild claim is anti-science.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:33 PM
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Ah yes, IT management and HR management require the same skills, I’m sure there’s no bias in this research. I’m also not seeing a link to the Cornell study, just a reference to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:17 PM
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It’s the same source as your claims of male centric thinking or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:04 PM
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No, not just one, but not as many as someone who works for Facebook or Google. As for spending, I have friends and family who are couples. Do you know any friends where the husband bought a house the wife didn’t like?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:21 PM
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No, for the most part hedge fund managers have many clients, not just one. And of course there are some exceptions, but that doesn’t mean the general rule cannot exist. As far as spending, it’s not just groceries, it’s everything. Food, clothes, home goods, entertainment, even large purchases like cars and houses are driven primarily by women in couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:06 PM
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Reach is about “how many”, not “how important”. My point was that less important work that impacts a very high number of people can be compensated better than more important work that only impacts a small number of people. That’s basic math, it is very misogynistic to claim such math or logic is “male”. We have also as a society had women making more purchasing choices as consumers than men for multiple generations. Observing primarily female behavior and applying logic to it is not patriarchal …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:47 PM
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Low value to me or lower value to both men and women? The main difference that drives differences in income is the relative reach of your work. Someone working with things can design a thing that many people use, so their value can be less per customer and their pay can still be high. If you work more with people for the most part you are limited in how many people you can work with. Taylor Swift makes millions because hundreds of millions buy her music, a teacher isn’t going to have a hundred m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:49 PM
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Every serious relationship I’ve been in has had an emotional component, but none of them would be described as “a free therapist” or “dumping all your baggage”. Most women are not exclusive in terms of these close emotional connections but most men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:06 PM
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There has been absolutely no cheating statistics that shows women cheating more than men. Because a relationship has both a sexual, physical component and an emotional component, and you’re looking at statistics for sexual cheating only. then your wife must be bisexual because women “emotionally cheat” with other women the most. Not bisexual because it’s not sexual cheating. Maybe these women are biromantic, but more likely just not romantically attracted to their partners (or maybe not romantic…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:40 PM
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Men here: emotional intimacy is a relationship-level benefit, not something I’m willing to do with platonic female friends. Also men here: I do want such a relationship though. Just because women have normalized cheating when it comes to emotional intimacy doesn’t mean men have to go along with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:01 AM
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Calisthenics generally are compound lifts/movements, the trouble is there aren’t always good ways to regress them if you can’t do the correctly. Like 95% of people can’t do a proper pistol squat, but if you can they’re similar in effectiveness to barbell squats.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:23 PM
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No, sex in the context of a loving romantic relationship is not the same as sex with a prostitute, or even casual sex with someone you just met.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 04:19 AM
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I mean like blatantly wrong. If a guy orders a salad and requests chicken on it as an extra and it comes out with no chicken, should he say something and send it back? Most women would get the ick from a guy who would just accept the dish that didn’t match his order rather than say something. That’s highly agreeable behavior, and negatively correlated with violent crime like rape and domestic violence. Women aren’t rewarding rape and domestic violence, they are getting the ick from highly agreea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:07 AM
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Women are attracted to guys who are “confident”, but are poor judges of actual confidence. Guys who are more disagreeable (in terms of psychology big 5) are seen as more “confident”. They are more willing to make others uncomfortable to achieve their own wants and desires. These disagreeable men are more likely to be rapists. This doesn’t mean all disagreeable people are bad or rapists, just that almost all people with antisocial behaviors are disagreeable. So women don’t reward rape (of themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:48 AM
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Which party in America is for redistribution of wealth?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:47 AM
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The unreasonable part is mainly women who can’t do math and don’t understand just how picky they’re being. Women have a lot of different criteria. Most women are reasonable and understand not every criteria will be met, but many assume so long as no single standard is too high there’s no issue with having a lot of standards. So a woman might want a guy who’s top half in terms of height, income/intelligence, overall fitness/physique, handsome facial features, being extroverted, and being confiden…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:01 AM
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Getting pregnant is not a “random chance”, at least not by our legal standards. It would be negligence, just like a corporation not following safety regulations. Should people be held legally responsible for having unprotected sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 02:17 PM
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Unless you did the attaching. If I attached someone to myself such that we shared organs, then unattached and killed them, I’d be charged with murder. The reason people love the attachment idea instead of organ donation is that there’s more ambiguity in terms of whether the killing would be legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:31 AM
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Unless you count the unborn at whatever stage as a separate person. If my doctor and I conspire to poison my 2 year old child the state will absolutely get involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:54 PM
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You can infringe on a person’s bodily autonomy, but once that autonomy is lost the person has no recourse to harm another person to regain it. Say someone drugs me, steals one of my kidneys, and then gives the kidney to a child who needs it due to some disease. Can I kill the child to take my kidney back? The argument about bodily autonomy is a great argument for rape being illegal, but does not defend abortion at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 10:53 PM
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Based on all the professors I met in college I’m not sure “neurotypical” being the most privileged option is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 03:09 AM
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The difference between having an excuse for an action and having a reason for an action is whether or not you stand by the action. These men aren’t running from their choices, they just won’t stand for people with the same exact morals acting superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:46 PM
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Basically. Now Adam and Billy are going to fight it out. Also I guess Adam is chasing Sophie instead of Stacy? Not as sure what the difference is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 07:39 PM
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It’s an example to argue that women view relationships as transactional and don’t value the love and companionship enough to be with a guy who doesn’t have something else to bring to the table. So most women here countered that the idea of personality and love and companionship was missing from the original post, because most women actually do value those things. Other women responded that they were better off alone than with an average guy and they don’t need a loving relationship with a partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 07:17 PM
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Women teach men that sex and relationships are transactional, so men treat sex as transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 07:11 PM
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What constitutes a “good relationship”? If the benefits of the relationship are just the love and relationship it doesn’t count as “good” to these women. That’s the point of their posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:38 PM
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That’s sort of the argument by all the “women are just fine alone and don’t need men” posts: Love and relationships just by themselves have no value to women because women can get all that from normal friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:26 PM
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They could end the filibuster. Honestly they should. Given the makeup of states Dems have a reasonable shot at a majority any given election but only Republicans have a shot at 60 votes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:35 PM
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Wish democrats had won the house. Would’ve been hilarious to see them do nothing about abortion despite controlling congress and the presidency after all the campaigning they did on abortion. Now they’ll do nothing but have an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:10 PM
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Right, the behavior is based on feelings, just like the Madonna-whore complex. That’s what I’m saying. The difference is we treat these feelings in women as natural but feelings in men as a problem. It’s a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:25 PM
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But what is the benefit to them being bored and giving up? If you’re a woman who’s fine having casual sex in general, with a guy who’s more attractive than the guys you normally have casual sex with, and the goal is to quickly determine if he wants a relationship or just a fling, the easiest way to do that is to sleep with him sooner. He’ll either do the dump part of pump and dump or stick around and you know he’s looking for something longer term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:16 PM
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I’d say they’re both the same, both are good for the person’s feelings but don’t help the chances of the relationship. Logically, there’s no point in waiting to see if a guy is just interested in pump and dump, all waiting means is you spend longer in a relationship that isn’t going anywhere. If you’re waiting because you don’t like casual sex outside of commitment that’s fine, but the case here is with the disparity of sleeping with some men right away while telling others you find more attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:00 PM
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But not due to a lack of attraction based on what I’ve read. They’re afraid of “ruining” some sort of “purity”, it’s not that they don’t find the person attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:59 PM
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So also perfectly fine for men with this Madonna-whore complex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:46 PM
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I think settling is a different issue. It’s more the idea of a woman saying that she’s fine having a ONS with a guy she doesn’t really care about, but doesn’t want to move too quickly with a guy she likes more and thinks can be a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:22 PM
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Eh, not necessarily. By BMI it’s close, but BMI tends to overestimate obesity in taller and more muscular people and underestimate it in shorter and less muscular people. The measure scales by height squared but being 3 dimensional objects a person’s actual weight will scale more by height cubed. BMI also tends to assume very little muscle. It’s one thing to say a guy like Chris Hemsworth would be wrongly categorized as obese, but you also see cases like Tom Holland being listed in the middle ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:39 PM
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Almost certainly women. Apps have a huge disparity but even in-person groups that can be used to meet people are mostly male. Lots of women who just aren’t putting in any effort to meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:46 PM
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Because women are the ones complaining there are more attractive women than attractive men. It’s easy to believe a guy who says women who are his equal aren’t attracted to him when you have women claiming they only see like one guy a month she finds attractive and the guy says most women are attractive to him. Unless you’re the guy on here earlier that thinks 80% of women are too bitchy and 90% are disloyal. You need to be pretty misogynistic to agree with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:43 PM
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Fascist movements generally need an external enemy to be at war with so any internal opposition can be painted as treasonously supporting the foreign enemy. But I’m sure it’s just coincidence that the party supporting public-private cooperation on censorship with the richest, most powerful companies in the world is also the one hell bent on a proxy war.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:31 PM
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Can you imagine a guy dating you saying they did something partially because women like you would dislike it? Like if 100% of her reason for not shaving was personal preference, fine. But doing so partially to spite someone you’re in a relationship with is rather toxic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:49 PM
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There’s two sides to flirting, some people are bad at reading and some are bad at doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:18 PM
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In normal, everyday life it’s not a huge thing. People will be pleasant with me instead of more guarded or avoidant of others, but not like free stuff or going out of their way to talk with me. Professionally the standards are lower and I notice more of a difference. It’s less about being super handsome (which I’m not really) and more just being tall and fit and generally well dressed and cleanly kept. Also helps that I speak in an even tone and matter-of-fact manner and I’m ok pausing to think …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:37 AM
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Sure, if you don’t want a career it doesn’t make much difference. The strange thing for me is how the women who do want careers seem to choose having a family in such a way that the time off is most harmful to their careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:45 AM
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I guess it depends on how long someone is in school. In general I’d say if you want to take a couple years off from your career to care for young children, that gap will only be more harmful to you the later in your career it happens. A person with 10 years experience who takes say 5 years off will need a year or 2 when coming back to be even with where they were at 10 straight years working. Someone who takes time off right away will only be entry level when they come back, but will retain all …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:31 AM
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“Get them to do something” and “show your interest” are two very different things that can look somewhat similar. I’m general flirting is acting a certain way to show interest and begin a relationship if the other person reciprocates, that doesn’t mean all flirting is manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:04 AM
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That’s just because Kanye is also the epitome of, um, “kindness” and “being funny”?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:32 AM
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If all women are happy with the results they get from the dating market they should not change their approach to dating. In reality many women dislike how dating goes for them, but are not willing to change their approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:11 PM
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People who've never had a job talking about what interviewing is like. If the problem was how to act in relationships you'd assume the unsuccessful people would have a bunch of dates but no relationship lasting longer than a couple weeks. That's only true for unsuccessful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:50 AM
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When your definition of attractiveness includes 95% of fit women and 30% of fit men posts like these are a mathematic inevitability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:19 AM
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Casinos don’t need to change games because they can grow to new locations or grow market share in places they already exist like Vegas. The idea that Match Group doesn’t care about growth or somehow isn’t a modern business is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:36 AM
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Making the same profit is basically death for modern businesses. Tobacco companies now own most vape companies and are trying to grow that way, even though they have a steady market for their current products. It’s hard to understand why Match Group should be different from all other businesses when it comes to chasing growth when your argument is other companies that actually chase growth and prove my point. Go take a business class, expand your horizons a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:25 AM
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That’s a fine business model when apps are not ubiquitous and the overall pool of users keeps growing. That’s not the case anymore. Cycling through new apps isn’t growth if you own all of them. Match Group either needs more users or more money from their current users. Why would they not be interested in marketing boosts as helping with some new filter they give women for free? Your insistence that businesses are more afraid of negatives than chasing after growth really makes me question your re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:12 AM
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If that’s business 101 then the Match Group failed that class, they already add a bunch of slight tweaks and stuff with Hinge all the time. Make it free and advertise to men that boosted profiles are more likely to show up as hot commodities or something. In reality businesses rely on growth, and will take risks that might upset their core business in order to remain growing. Tinder has very little growth potential because it’s very well known in the main market it monetizes, it either needs new…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:02 AM
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If they’re so scared of losing their female users then why not put it in for free to prevent that exodus? I don’t know what women you normally interact with but the ones I know aren’t so flighty that they would ditch a service that kept 100% of the functionality they currently use because it added a paid service they don’t want. Somehow in your mind Tinder simultaneously is so desperate to keep female users that it can’t risk scaring them with a new feature that needs to be paid for while also b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:33 AM
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I don’t understand why you think adding this as a paid feature is bad for anyone. How is it bad for women if they can continue to not pay and have the same experience they have now? How is it bad for Tinder if only a small portion of the women want to pay for it? Why would there be fewer women on the app by adding a feature some of them might want enough to pay for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:17 AM
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Paying is an option, not a requirement. Women can pay for boosts now, they just don’t want to. Should Tinder remove boosts entirely because some women might pay for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:58 AM
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Why would this cause women to migrate? Giving women more power to filter makes the app more appealing for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:13 AM
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So this would be a way to monetize the women on the app since they don’t normally care about boosting their profile? Also gives women the option of more control over who they see, could mean more women using the app. Why would they be against a new revenue stream?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 01:58 AM
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I’m not sure how it works, tinder doesn’t like make ad revenue from you being on the app, right? It’s all paying for different boosts or special features? Even if your user base is mostly men what you really care about are people who will pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 01:23 AM
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Make it filterable but only for people who pay. Anyone can see hot commodity, but if you pay for super user or whatever you can filter to see either only those people or filter them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 01:11 AM
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This doesn’t make much sense. If dating is instead thought of as a collaboration the idea that the man should go and do a bunch of work approaching many different women while the woman in the collaboration does… waiting(?) doesn’t make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 01:05 AM
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I think the number of people who move away from religion is far less among those who study engineering and data science than other degrees. I also know that not everyone who attends college must take classes on engineering and data science, but everyone is required to take general education classes. I had to take classes with a very obvious political and ideological bias to get my engineering degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:19 AM
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I mean, the counter there is education vs indoctrination. Converting people to a new religion will of course decrease their participation in their old religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:56 PM
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I mean, this is a general issue with dating advice. If the best advice out there for guys is something like “shower, have a job, get out of your house and have some hobbies, and get in shape so you’re not overweight”, guys who already do those things aren’t left with much other than being angry at the system. None of that advice works for the single guys I know, because it’s all about fixing problems they don’t have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:46 PM
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“Primarily” and “fully” are two very different things, New York for example covers 40% of public schooling with state level revenue. I also think whether states can afford the higher taxes to cover higher pay is a complicated issue. The fact remains that young graduates leave red states for blue ones well before they have kids, that simply does not happen unless their are more jobs in those blue states, so attracting jobs ought to be important for red states. Further, even if they were to follow…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:27 PM
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They are also higher risk. Asking out 20 women at a bar over the course of a month who I might never see again is one thing, asking out 20 women in a hobby group I want to stay part of would completely change my reputation. There are situations you can play a numbers game and situations you can have better chances, but no overlap between the two. Especially if we treat this as general advice for men. It’s one thing if you have that one guy in the hobby group who asks out a bunch of women, but if…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:04 PM
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The lottery is a numbers game, that doesn’t mean lottery tickets are a good investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:45 PM
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I can see that as a rural area in a blue state, it’s not really something red states can emulate though. Like, if I’m New York with the highest average salary I can give great pay to rural teachers by taxing wealthy NYC property and the income of Wall Street bankers to fund my state’s education system. Mississippi at the low end of teacher pay can’t do that. They don’t have the same high value real estate and all those millionaire bankers to collect income tax from. So even if the COL in rural N…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:42 PM
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Based on this list of average teacher pay I have trouble believing the COL change would be negligible. The state I grew up in is near the top of this list and my current state in maybe the bottom third, but despite living in a similar type of neighborhood my current house is valued at about half the house I grew up in. Similar neighborhood, current house is slightly larger, housing cost is half as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:07 PM
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Strange, I’m the opposite. Grew up in a liberal area and now work in a more conservative one, with the company I work for having offices in both. Even though the pay is higher in the liberal area it does not justify the COL increase. My monthly change in net worth, between lowering principle on my house and adding money to various savings, would only be about half as much in the liberal area despite a 20% pay increase for the same job.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:28 PM
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That’s certainly a theory, but not necessarily backed with data. Given ages people have first children I doubt those “raise a family” decisions are happening right after graduation. There’s also issues of which direction causation goes: school rankings often have less to do with how well the actual school is run and more with how much support the students receive at home. So it’s not that parents leave due to bad schools, it’s that educated parents leaving causes school rankings to fall. Higher …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:18 PM
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Read the source you linked in your other comment, only around half the people who graduate college in Mississippi remain in the state after 5 years. Mississippi, in funding their state universities, is subsidizing the education costs of other states who gain the tax revenue from those workers who leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:52 PM
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Read your source, page 10. This issue isn’t students leaving after high school to schools in other states, it’s students who receive state-subsidized education within Mississippi leaving shortly after graduation. If Mississippi is prioritizing jobs over education they really aren’t getting their money’s worth since they have more graduates than they have jobs for those graduates. Thank you for linking a source that proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:49 PM
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If all the educated people start off getting degrees in liberal areas how would educated people move from conservative areas to liberal ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 05:22 AM
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But that’s not what the data says. If only people in liberal areas were educated then there would be no one to migrate to those liberal areas. The data right now says that conservative areas educate more people than they have jobs and liberal areas educate not enough people, so the educated people move from conservative areas to liberal ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 05:03 AM
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Expecting success for employing what you’ve been told is optimum strategy is not entitlement, it’s how all humans act all the time. If someone buys a computer from a store, takes it home, and it fails to turn on and work they’re going to go back to the store and demand it be fixed or their money refunded. That’s true of men, women, people who are single, people who are in relationships, attractive people, unattractive people, absolutely all people have this insane entitlement problem where if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 04:46 AM
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It is an interesting question, the idea of educated population moving for career opportunities implies that poorer states should not focus on educating their own population but rather on bringing in high education jobs and “steal” education funding from other states to fill those jobs. Also could help to have poor housing opportunities and force your poorer residents out. I know you brought it up to dunk on conservative states but in reality it just paints liberal states as rather dystopian.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:23 AM
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Also, wouldn’t a lack of new housing limit growth but not cause negative net migration? Like if there are fewer overall people there should still be as much housing as there was before. It might not be the housing people ideally want but if it’s so bad wouldn’t that have previously hurt population numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:35 AM
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Yep, definitely lack of developer interest and not NIMBY red tape slowing housing development in California. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:30 AM
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New York, Illinois, and California have the largest negative net migration in the US relative to population. If educated people are leaving for these liberal areas then huge amounts of less educated people are leaving for some reason. I guess liberal areas really cater to the rich at the expense of everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:14 AM
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But OP didn’t say all women, you claimed that’s what he felt. A better example would be if a gay person says all Christians claim gay people are pedophiles, therefore they won’t give any Christian the time of day. OP’s post is about women who complain about a lack of male friendships that aren’t about seeking sex. The women in my social circle generally don’t complain about that, so I don’t think OP meant all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:55 PM
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You know how traveling and experiencing different cultures is supposed to prevent bigotry against immigrants and people who look different than you? Anyways, strange how when couples pair up and have a vested interest in both male and female success they vote more republican.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:43 PM
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Men who are set on viewing women poorly for not respond to “but I’m not like that” Maybe OP would, you don’t need to generalize such men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:38 PM
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That would be a much better comment than saying the OP must hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:26 PM
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So you made a top level comment on a CMV thread, but not to try and convince the OP? Just to say you think he hates women? That doesn’t seem in line with the rules of this sub… And by favors I meant the rides or drinks or helping fix a toilet, you know the things actually listed in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:31 PM
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Well the best way to not generalize would be to provide counter examples. For instance, I know I am friends with women through work and shared hobbies that I don’t want to sleep with, but those friendships generally don’t involve gifts or working through their traumas or being constantly available like you would expect from family or a partner. On the other hand, I can’t really think of counters to the OP’s examples. Do you give favors like the OP describes to any of your male friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:11 PM
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I’m still not getting the “preemptively” part of your argument. The OP is stating “in my experience, women behave like X”. You’re saying “OP is preemptively saying all women behave like X”. It’s not preemptive, it’s a conclusion after observation. It’s also basically the definition of gaslighting: stating that a person’s observations of reality are not correct and instead due to some sort of bias or error by the observer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:53 PM
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How do you get that from the examples given?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:32 PM
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Arguing fake women are popular with men and then giving examples of women whose audience is almost exclusively women doesn't make a lot of sense. The Kardashians are most popular with women, it is women who most prefer fake women. Similarly with men: roided out stars like Hemsworth and Evans do well in superhero movies with primarily male audiences, these fake men are most popular with men. If you want women popular with men you need to look at leading ladies in media geared towards men, I'd say…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 01:45 AM
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therefore the % of narcissistic men is naturally going to be higher than narcissistic women This assumes the only method a person might be taken advantage of is by someone with NPD, essentially saying that there are more men than women who are bad people. I don't buy that at all, especially given your next bullet is about how women might be less likely to be diagnosed with a social disorder than men. because they’re encouraged to mask far more, and the problem with masking is that it basically g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 01:29 AM
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Why do you think it is more likely for the women? I’d say that of the neurodivergent people who enter relationships, the percentage who are taken advantage of is similar for both men and women. In gross terms there are more women taken advantage of, but only because they have less problems entering relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 01:04 AM
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If she was posed just standing normally like the body fat pictures you'd see it. Seriously, there are guides on how to pose like this. She looks like the 40% picture in her arms, her legs, her hips, her butt, her boobs, everywhere except her stomach, which looks like 30%? Or is hidden in half her pictures? Yeah, that's 100% posing. Honestly makes sense why so many women have body image issues if you can't tell when pictures have obviously deceptive angles. Kim Kardashian is probably around 27-28…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:51 PM
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She had a bunch of people on here fooled with posing and camera angles. Her arms being that big is a giveaway. She’s basically in line with the 40-44% body fat picture on this site, well above the 35% cutoff for obesity for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:31 PM
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I like how none of the advice in the comment contradicts the statement in the OP. OP: women don’t like men, they like the feeling of status that comes with being chosen. Comment: here’s how you treat women to make them feel high status, and the mindset to keep dealing with rejection over and over and not thinking the system is broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:44 PM
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Pretty sure number 2 went away a long time ago, mostly due to political bias by Twitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:51 PM
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What is “the purpose of being verified” if it’s free and how does it change if there’s a cost? Being verified just means you’re for sure who you say you are, they can still do that check with the cost. If you’re not a public figure or business or something what does it matter if you’re verified?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:21 PM
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If you didn’t know the left wing history of the term “no justice no peace” sounds like the most fascist rallying cry you could think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:33 AM
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Yeah, I strongly disagree with your take and have stated why the bias exists that would lead women to this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 04:35 AM
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I disagree about any “society says” or that any such norm changes behavior in men. I think women will report that when they’ve tried to chase it didn’t work and men on their level rejected them, but their complaints are biased by not chasing often. A woman chasing men of equal attractiveness will do as good or better than a man chasing women of equal attractiveness. Men are just more used to rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 04:26 AM
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Most women don’t like it when most men chase them. This isn’t any difference for women, it’s just how chasing works. I mean, the OP’s whole point on the difficulty for women is that many options who chase them aren’t men they want to choose. How does that square with saying women shouldn’t chase because then men would be chased by some women they don’t want?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:45 AM
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Chasing and choosing are different roles, in general men chase and women choose. Women could switch this and become chasers just by deciding to. Men cannot become choosers unless women decide to chase. You can argue which role is better or worse, but women are the ones who decide which gender has which role, and I think women in total are smart enough to not pick the worse role for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:16 AM
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It’s not “well rounded” if you’re expecting to continue with that personality whenever you’re with your partner for the rest of your life. Also I very much disagree that extroversion and disagreeableness are useful outside of dating. It’s different, but not necessarily better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 11:49 PM
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But it's not confidence and social skills, it's extroversion and disagreeableness. Also women being introverted does not matter, as in many cases women have standards that they themselves do not meet when it comes to potential partners being extroverted or disagreeable. It's "good advice" in the same vein as telling women they should be more "submissive" or whatever: advising others to change their personality in a way that provides no benefit outside of dating solely for the sake of dating is g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 11:20 PM
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Learning to mask traits and changing those traits are two different things. Telling people they ought to change base aspects of their personality to conform with societal dating expectations is quite the ask as well. Sounds like something I’d expect to hear from the people who think women should just be assigned by the government to men who can’t get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:02 PM
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It’s like height and weight, one is genetic while the other is something people can change with behaviors. Also, both qualities being “good” means we should ignore they are different and some people might have one but not the other? Is that true of any other pairs of “good” qualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 09:38 PM
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Think of it like placebo effect in drug research. If I say healing crystals cure cancer 5% of the time and you “what about” how people with no crystals have similar recovery rates, the answer isn’t that healing crystals and the placebo both cure cancer, it’s that healing crystals do nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 09:09 PM
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If a guy is an asshole to everyone but his gf he’s an asshole and she’s dating an asshole. What women consider “confidence” is a mix of being extroverted and disagreeable as defined by the big 5 in psychology. Maybe not exactly that, but that’s the better definition than anything else I’ve seen. Very different from an actual definition of confidence, which I’d say is “a high estimation of one’s ability to overcome challenges without knowing the exact nature of those challenges”. If you think the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:35 PM
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Yeah, let’s pretend those asshole men only interact with their girlfriends, and not say, other men ever. The “confidence” women value is not actual confidence. You do know med school starts right after undergrad, right? First year med students are most often 22 turning 23. Sorry that I assumed you were bringing up verbal skills to counter my point about social skills because you thought they were the same thing. That would mean you didn’t read the study but were at least trying to make an intell…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:12 PM
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So you wouldn’t be in the group of women I’m talking about whose high standards keep them perpetually single. That doesn’t mean no such women exist. The trouble for guys is that there’s only so many reasonable women to go around, so if you’re still single at 30 it’s mostly delusional women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:03 PM
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Men have no idea of women’s standards, but can look at other men and see who is selected and who is not. Where do you think all the “women like assholes” comments come from? It’s also pretty easy to figure out when a woman who wasn’t previously interested suddenly becomes interested what might have changed her opinion. Women have experience being approached so they know what’s going on the guy’s head and whether he thinks she’s on his level or just an option for cheap sex? Yeah, not so much. My …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:51 PM
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At what age did you and your partner start dating? If you look carefully I said this wasn’t an issue with all women, but way more common for women still single at 30. Meanwhile I see a lot of couples where the man has 5 inches on the woman but she has 10 pounds on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:23 PM
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So people can’t observe dating unless they participate as a given gender? I guess that means no woman can talk about how delusional women’s standards are unless they’ve experienced dating as a man? My guess is all those “incredibly ugly” guys are really just fine but you need some non-quantifiable standard to justify being picky with other standards. Men say they won’t date a woman who makes them wait if she previously did not make other men wait. Very different thing. What couples do you see wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:13 PM
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Delusional women say all men are ugly to justify their delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:19 PM
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“Most guys” then the example is a hookup app… Most guys are looking for a relationship, that’s why women who are fine matching with their actual match find relationships fairly young. Delusional women who only date guys way above them will find those men only want them for easy hookups, because that’s the sort of man they’re selecting for. The Venn diagram for men who are 8s but willing to date 4s and men who are just interested in hookups is a circle, but the women who are those 4s think “all m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:18 PM
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Do women have more friends or more close friends? In my experience women will keep close friendships but mostly socialize within that small group, men are more likely to engage in hobbies with a wider circle of more casual friends from the hobby group. Also conflating education and intelligence is not quite right. Higher education for women is somewhat due to less aversion to debt, which given how much more risk averse women are in other pursuits really shows how imbalanced cultural expectations…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:11 PM
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Women will see a couple where the man is more fit, has a better job, is more funny and outgoing, has more interesting hobbies, and is more confident and secure in the face of issues and claim the woman must have settled for him because she’s pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:42 PM
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The people claiming women have to sift through their match in looks are the same ones claiming there are way more attractive women than men. If you think 30% of women and 5% of men are attractive then yeah, those 30% have to sift through the 5%, but they wouldn’t need to sift through the top 30% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:32 PM
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It’s only a challenge when the woman 5 isn’t going after men who are 5s. The issue is a woman who’s a 6 Will want a man who’s top half in terms of income and height and face and fitness and humor and confidence and intelligence and and and. She thinks she’s looking for a 6 but really only 1% of men meet all her different criteria. Obviously not all women, because there are a lot of couples out there, but there’s a reason most of those couples were together by their mid 20s, even if they weren’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:10 PM
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I think you have the driver of hypergamy wrong. I don’t think this is true of all women, but I do think many who remain single into their 30s have very unrealistic standards. Basically even though no single standard they have is unreasonable they have so many different criteria the chances a man meets all of them become extremely small: a guy being top half in six independent measures has only a 1.56% chance of happening. I think this is a symptom of anxiety for women. Those more secure will acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:32 AM
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All else being equal a guy being nice is a negative and a turn-off for most women. A good definition for the “confidence” women find attractive is a willingness or fearlessness of being in conflict with those around you. Someone being too often “nice” is then seen as being less “confident”, and therefore less attractive. Women here will say “bad” men aren’t attractive but that’s just changing the definition to be those who are antisocial about how they resolve conflict, not just those who are wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 09:37 PM
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Have you met many single women in their 30s? Obviously “not all women”, but enough that it matters, have a warped sense of just how picky they are. They want a guy who’s relatively tall and relatively fit and has a good face but doesn’t need to be a movie star and has a good job but doesn’t need to be a millionaire and is generally outgoing and funny and is “confident” (which ends up meaning well respected in their peer group). Their cutoff point for any one criteria isn’t that high: they don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:35 PM
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You said 40-70 minutes of cleaning per day in response to a post that listed out tasks I would consider “internal cleaning”, but did not include things like laundry. I took the average of those being 55 minutes per day, which is double the source data of 0.4 hours per day. I then assumed this average from the BLS would be for an average house/apartment 2-3X the size of a “small apartment” as was discussed in the thread. Twice as much time for a space 2-3X smaller would be 4-5X as much work per l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:37 PM
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Interior cleaning averages 0.4 hours per day. Basically if you clean for 3 hours on a weekend and not at all during the week that’s slightly above average. Also includes living spaces far larger than a 1-bedroom apartment. Per living space, your standard of cleaning is probably 4-5X higher than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 06:49 PM
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I think they’re mostly upset about this. Trigger warning: sexual violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:03 PM
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Wasn’t that post just complaining the men at 24 weren’t as attractive? The wall for men is 24, for women it’s not until later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:58 PM
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You can try to control things as much as you want but can't change your body or face shape. Not to any shape you want, but enough to be considered attractive you basically can. Some people have good genetics and can be attractive with higher body fat, but if you work on being fit and athletic it basically doesn't matter what body shape your genetics give you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 11:27 PM
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Depending on your age, if you’re not into blindly labeling things racist or sexist you are more conservative than average for women. It would be like having a 5’10” woman complain about a 6’3” guy hitting on her because the height difference is too much, asking why he can’t just find a tall woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 05:00 PM
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So on the dating advice post, you would disagree with the majority of replies and say the women in this case were wrong for saying they wanted a fwb when they truly wanted a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 02:47 PM
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But it’s not “really tall/really jacked”, just moderately tall and jacked. Again, Paul Rudd is one big meal away from being overweight, which is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 01:44 PM
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If a random girl slid into my dms and I wasn't interested in her I wouldn't blame it on getting the ick from an emoji.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 01:50 AM
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The problem is your topic isn’t focused on a full society, it’s on a small population in this “top 20%”. Maybe the overweight and obese percentage for guys should be 65% instead of 70%, but that would mean those 5% of muscular but fit guys are all in the top 20%. I think there’s also some bias from men about which women they’re trying to attract, being in some top 40% just by being healthy isn’t so great if the “overweight or obese” percentage for women is a more accurate 70%, suddenly you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:50 PM
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BMI tends to overestimate obesity among taller people and those with more muscle mass. So of course a guy like Chris Hemsworth is classified as obese despite being very lean, but even Paul Rudd is probably in the overweight category, or within 2 pounds of it according this website. A good indication of the trouble with BMI is that “severe obesity”, at which point factors like height and muscle mass are not as impactful, the numbers are significantly higher for women, roughly 3 women for every 2 …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 05:48 PM
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What do you mean juvenile features are idealized? Media pushes young women to appear older, the same makeup that hides signs a woman has aged out of her 20s also hides that a girl/woman might only be in her teens. Movies and TV shows set in high school cast actors and actresses in their 20s, sometimes 10 years older than the characters they are meant to portray.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:23 PM
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Donating a kidney/lung comes up a lot but it's a false equivalence. Even with organ donation, compare it to losing bodily autonomy in cases of rape: Say I get drugged at a bar and the person who drugged me steals my kidney, to be used as a donation to a sick child who would otherwise die without it. My right to bodily autonomy has been violated, can I kill the kid and take my kidney back? Nope. We have laws that make it a crime to violate someone's bodily autonomy, but once violated people have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 03:02 AM
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What about access to different careers I might choose? The education gap through high school in basically all western countries is as large today as in the 1970s, just in favor of women instead of men. Where differences in income exist they are basically just due to choice, like a men are more likely to choose physically demanding or dangerous careers, more likely to major in higher-paying stem fields even though women average higher math and science scores. If you look at the largest and riches…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:25 AM
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Lol, if Biden came out and said this before 2024 he wouldn’t crack 20% of the popular vote. TERF is a hell of a drug…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 09:19 PM
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There’s already a shortage of infants up for adoption. Children in the foster care system is an issue but it’s not due to a lack of abortions, it’s mostly older kids whose parents wanted children but had problems (crime, drugs, or orphan situations). Supporting abortion in order to limit the number of infants up for adoption is really just making sure gay and lesbian couples have more difficulty having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:14 PM
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Patrick Mahomes haircut.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:18 PM
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Why are people unhappy and do they get happy if women spend more time on their profile (?) descriptions? I'd say in general people who are open to dating but not in the relationships they want are at least somewhat unhappy, and I can see some men being unhappy about being unable to select for personality traits they find attractive given the shallowness of many women's profiles. I think it’s generally a bad strategy to wait for someone else to change (rather than changing yourself) I think this …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:03 PM
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Are they? It’s a very strange dichotomy between “women don’t need to change behavior on OLD because they’re getting the outcome they want” and “there’s way more men than women on OLD because OLD doesn’t give women what they want”. In general with dating it seems those happy with the system include super attractive men who want and are getting casual sex, and couples who partner up in college / when young and then get married young. Everyone else is unhappy in some way. What’s strange then is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 04:01 PM
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If your OP title had been that we shouldn’t expect women to try ALL awkward men as sweet little nice guys, I don’t know that anyone would’ve pushed back on it. Sadly that wasn’t what your post said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:44 PM
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What proof are you looking for? Like I don’t have a peer reviewed study saying most awkward guys aren’t abusive because no one is studying that and even if I did you’d just claim there was reporting error and the number is really way higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:52 PM
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I’d say mostly struggling, again most have been in relationships in the past, just single now for 6+ months.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:43 PM
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And you insist you don’t just hate men you aren’t attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:42 PM
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Unless we’re casting a wide net with “social problems” that isn’t my experience. Like most guys I know like this are more introverted, but not to the point where I’d call it a problem (or if it is a problem then over 50% of women also have this social problem).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:42 PM
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I mean, I would also agree on “most” but I’d say still 1/5 in their 30s up to 1/2 in their early 20s, mid-late 20s somewhere in the middle of that are long term single. You’d need a pretty small social circle to not have anyone you know of like that. Edit: clearing up language, most coupled but still many single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:38 PM
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Early 30s, the people I know like this are 20s and 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:28 PM
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Like, has never had a gf or just is single now? Because if people are saying no to the latter y’all need to have more friends. I could come up with like a dozen men from my larger social circle who have been single 6+ months and are socially competent, have friends, have good jobs, even are reasonably fit (since I know most of them from rec sports leagues).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:24 PM
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So you could’ve said something and had only the misogynists upset but instead you went further with it to get more people upset? If your point was that just some of the time awkward guys are abusive you really need to improve your writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:22 PM
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When did I say anything about Chris Chan? If you said some awkward men and some attractive men are abusive people wouldn’t have gotten upset. But that’s not what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:43 PM
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Some can be bad people. Your example was all of them though, and called for having no sympathy. Maybe you’re just really poor at writing, but that’s why you’re getting pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:41 PM
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Weight is a behavior problem, 99% of the time. Sorry I seem to have hit a nerve there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:38 PM
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As if being awkward can’t be caused by genetic issues like being on the spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:23 PM
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But that’s not what you’re doing. You’re calling out all awkward men whether they do the disgusting behavior or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:56 AM
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Weight is an outcome of behavior. The point is that both cases are conflating two behaviors that aren’t actually related. A woman having a bad diet can be abusive, but plenty of women with bad diets aren’t and plenty of women with healthy weights can also be abusive. Same with awkward men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:55 AM
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I didn’t report, just stated why I’m not going to get sucked into a discussion on race here. I do love the two threads here, one where you claim I’m misrepresenting your position by saying you claim all awkward men sexually harass women, and then this thread where you say I’m wrong for claiming most awkward men don’t sexually harass women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:35 PM
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On it being a CMV, my point wasn’t that people were disagreeing, but what their issue was, meaning they took your position to be the same as I took it as.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:33 PM
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I gave an example earlier. If I told you every time I was friendly with fat women they groped me or something so no men should be friendly with fat women you’d rightly say I’m full of shit and just hateful towards people I’m not attracted to. That’s how you sound with this OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:01 PM
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Keep gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:08 PM
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Yes, I translated your post saying women shouldn’t have sympathy for awkward men, where the reasoning you gave was examples of them all being sexually harassing, to you claim that all awkward men engage in sexual harassment. You know, like how any normal human would read the post. There’s a reason you have like 30 different top level comments on this post all saying the same thing. Also nice try with the race baiting, I think if you look closely you’ll find that’s against the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:08 PM
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I think the vast majority of socially awkward men don't sexually harass women, unlike you who claims it is a 100% correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:39 PM
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I absolutely abhor when men demand women feel sorry for the “I am so lonely!” social outcast men: There were three instances where my friends and I gave those guys a chance, it was a fucking disaster. Situation 1: A 20 year old tried to ask a female for nudes (the particular situation is illegal in my area), but he had no plans of actually dating her. Situation 2: A 21 year old pressuring another person to engage in sexual roleplays with him. Situation 3: An 18 year old who would not stop postin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 04:37 PM
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Nobody says that. Except OP. Who says they shouldn’t have sympathy for men because they’re all like these examples where the guy is committing some type of harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:36 PM
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That’s the strawman OP is arguing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:02 PM
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They just don’t care, except for when they go out of their way to insult these men. It’s like fat acceptance, no one’s shaming men for not wanting to date fat women. Just saying you should treat them as people with basic respect. Imagine if a man made some post claiming that seeing plus sized models is akin to being forced to have sex with them, and also all fat women make sexually harassing comments so why should I be responsible for their mental health? Basically that, if being fat was purely …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:45 PM
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No one’s saying that. Except OP. Who listed examples of why they don’t care about sexually unsuccessful men as men who are committing some form of sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:08 PM
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“Every guy who’s awkward with women is committing sexual assault / harassment.” So many women treat this sub as a hate sub against men on the spectrum. Most guys who can’t get relationships just have the problem of not picking up on weak interest signals and fearing rejection about as much as the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 01:56 PM
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That doesn’t mean pro-life people need to share that belief with you. Or that pro-life people don’t believe their favored poverty alleviation methods are the best way to fight poverty. You’re judging their intentions based on your beliefs, not their beliefs. But hey, politics is more about sports team trash talk than honest logic and debate, so you’re not alone at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:25 AM
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Go read my link again. It’s all couples, not just marriages. You’re claiming the average for all relationships can’t be 2.3 years because the average for first marriages is roughly that and later marriages is higher. But all those are counted in my source. I’m not disagreeing with any of your sources, it’s that YOU are unable to read and understand them. So you ignore my source.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:19 AM
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Nope. It’s the average for all couples, taken in 2014.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 02:57 AM
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Every pro-life person I've ever met was also against murdering babies after they're born. Just because they don't like your favored solution for poverty doesn't mean they don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 02:26 AM
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Given that there are significantly more women aged 65+ than men aged 65+ the total percentage in relationships ought not be the same. That means the age gap for couples who get married at a substantially older than average age have a much larger than 2.3 year age gap on average -- especially in second marriage relationships. But the average still needs to be 2.3 years across all marriages. If it's higher among older people then it needs to be lower among younger people to get the same average fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 12:37 AM
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Joking about it and actually accepting it are two very different things. I know a lot of people who joke about huge student loans they'll never pay off, but we still just had cancellation which is surely just the first of many.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:23 PM
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The problem with assuming this is all from age gaps is how the disparity continues into the group in their 30s and 40s, this can only happen if the prevalence of age gaps increases as people get older. Assume the population of men and women by decade is roughly equal by decade and gender, that single rates are the same for 30s and 40s, and that there are basically zero relationships with 10+ year age gaps or where the woman is older. We can simplify the population to say there's 100 men and 100 …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:21 PM
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Falling birth rates are a good way to make sure those that are born end up unable to support an aging retired population. I’m sure those childless millennials will be fine increasing the social security age to 75 to make sure it stays afloat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:25 PM
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There are some issues with that study, either huge age gaps are common, a significant portion of women are in harems, or the man women think they are in a relationship with doesn’t consider himself in a relationship. Among people aged 18-49 the study claims there are 3 single men for every 2 single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:16 PM
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I think you’re misreading the graphs. Say in total for the entire app there averaged 10 messages to women for every woman on the app. The graph says the 5/5 women are 6% of the female population, but they receive 18% of the messages, so they’d average 30 messages per day. The next bullet point to the left at 4/5 are 15% of the population and receive 28% of messages, so a little less than 20 messages per day. The distribution goes down because the population goes down, but per individual woman th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:48 PM
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Dating for most men is like a job interview. You can learn the best strategies to prepare, what skills and education you need to set yourself apart, and how to write a good resume, and give yourself the best chance to succeed. But that doesn’t mean the job market isn’t tilted towards employers in most fields or that interviewing for jobs will stop being stressful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:26 AM
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Oof, you and I had very different classes then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:47 PM
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Most guys couldn’t agree on which women are in the top 10-15%. There’s a cutoff but it’s the top 30-40%, not 10-15%. Think back to your HS English class senior year. This will be somewhat socioeconomic class adjusted because that’s how schools work, but otherwise a good slice of the total population, and by senior year people pretty much looked like how they will as adults. Are you going to tell me in a class of 30 kids, 15 women, all but 2 were invisible to the guys? No way, it was at least 5 “…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:29 PM
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If the numbers are right (debatable), it’s not “every single woman”. Just enough of them that among the entire population of people under 50 there are 3 single men for every 2 single women. Either that’s a lot of men with multiple girlfriends or a lot of women in relationships where the men they think they’re in relationships with consider themselves single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:09 AM
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