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"Game" isn't a magic potion! It's more like a calculator at a Black Jack's table in Vegas! There's nothing you can do with a bad hand, but the Calculator will increase your odds the more hands you play! - ZM
/r/seduction02/08/23 02:59 PM
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It's really that easy. No woman is going to respect you if you put them there. As a rule of thumb, God/Goddesses don't fall in love with mortals! - ZM
/r/seduction08/06/23 04:13 PM
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At 40, I started my 2nd life, left a 10 year sexless Marriage/15 year relationship. I left with my 2000 Jetta and whatever worldly possessions I could fit in it. I got into the Game, lived life like a pornstar for a couple of years, found the perfect woman(for me). 10 years later, we're married with a kid both making mad money! Life is good. Can be for you too, if you want it bad enough! Look me up if you want more details! ZenMachine PS at 40, I was bald, short (5'5"), minority and BrokeAss ren…
/r/seduction05/10/22 11:53 PM
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Not matter what the result, just remember as long as you learned something, than every failure is one step closer to a win. - ZenMachine
/r/seduction19/09/22 02:59 AM
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Do you like being Catfished? Because that's literally what you're doing. That's up there with putting a banana in your pants. Don't do it! Be short! Own up to it! Brag about it! Turn your insecurities into a strength! The woman will be impressed. Btw, I'm 5'5"! ZenMachine
/r/seduction16/09/22 11:07 PM
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Woah, EZ big guy?! Leave some truth telling for the rest of us!!! I forgot to mention both of my stripper GF I met clubbing not at a strip club. What's funny is years later I find out my brother had several gigs as a DJ at strip clubs. Considering we both live in two different states with differing demographics Portland OR/Tampa FL the stories were practically identical!
/r/seduction16/09/22 05:51 PM
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What everyone has posted here is true. It's Fool's Gold. The Servers work harder than the strippers there because they have clothes on. She's just working the tip! Before I retired from the Game I dated several strippers and can tell you it's probably just the opposite. At the end of the night, ALL girls sit there and trade loser stories of guys they scammed. I'd show up at closing to pick up my GF and there would always be a couple of stalkers/creepers hanging out hoping to get laid. Half the t…
/r/seduction16/09/22 03:35 PM
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I'm commenting strictly to track this thread.
/r/seduction12/09/22 05:25 PM
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This isn't Grade school! If it were to happen it needs to to occur organically. Remember, YOU are the prize not her! She needs to cuff you, not the other way around. ZenMachine
/r/seduction12/09/22 03:40 PM
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This is how I live my life: "I don't pay for dates with Women I just met. Nor do I pay for drinks, that's what the AFC does, I do pay for dates with Women I'm Fucking and have a relationship with!" If you want to be someone's meal ticket good for you, but that's not me! ZenMachine
/r/seduction11/09/22 10:09 PM
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In business it's called opportunity costs! We've all been there, and sometime in the future, you just like everyone else will be annoyed at all the wasted time on someone who didn't care enough to give you the time of day! Don't do it! Move on! ZenMachine
/r/seduction10/09/22 01:40 AM
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7 hour flight time is standard. Push too hard, she'll assume you're only around to get laid. Create the sexual tension, calibrate then adjust game plan as needed. Also did you pay for the dates? She may have just used you until she figured out she can only hustle you so far, because you were escalating. Never pay for the dates, that's what the AFC does! You only pay for dates when you're already in relationships, not when you just start dating. ZenMachine
/r/seduction07/09/22 06:14 AM
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Msg Me.
/r/seduction07/09/22 06:02 AM
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Also don't "Work on Yourself just to get laid!" Work on yourself to better yourself. I promise once you do, everything else will fall into place! ZenMachine
/r/seduction06/09/22 06:53 PM
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Women will never approach(99%) you, because they don't have to. My Wingman and I had this theory we called the Bearded Lady. Which goes like this: At 2:30am Bar Time, The Bearded Lady with the Peg leg will go home with whomever she wants to Fuck, but the Tall Good-looking Rich Guy will go home to Jerk off alone! ZenMachine
/r/seduction06/09/22 06:51 PM
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It's still around! But since Masculine Toxicity is a thing now, I think alot of the PUGs and PUAs are laying low. I've been retired for over 10 years now, and I can say the Classics are still relevant. Mystery/Styles and Ross Jefferies to name a few. I've seen the current PUGs and it appears to me to be rehashed material. Another piece you need to have is the LayGuide. It's pretty much the Bible of the PUAs. Hell I still have a copy on my phone just to read. Besides that, you have Reddit and Goo…
/r/seduction06/09/22 06:13 PM
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When I got into the game it was from a sexless Marriage/Relationship of 15 years. My initial intention was to make up for loss time and I did! But if I was completely honest, my pursuit was for the ideal mate! I didn't think it would happen in just a couple of years tho. My Wingman on the other hand retired about 10 years later with crazy numbers! But has also found the ideal mate for him! ZenMachine
/r/seduction05/09/22 02:46 AM
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Fuck Bro?! Leave some truth telling for the rest of us! Until then you get my upvote! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction03/09/22 11:13 PM
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Sure. You can always look me up
/r/seduction02/09/22 12:47 AM
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I live in Florida specifically Tampa, so it was easy. My roommate and I live next to Ybor which is Florida version of the French Quarters. So we basically clubbed between Thu-Sun. Also in 2010 Pof, OkC were relatively new. It was like shooting fish in a barrel, you still need Game, but it was minimal! ZenMachine
/r/seduction01/09/22 03:29 PM
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At 40, I started my 2nd life, left a 10 year sexless Marriage/15 year relationship. I left with my 2000 Jetta and whatever worldly possessions I could fit in it. I got into the Game, lived life like a pornstar for a couple of years, found the perfect woman(for me). 10 years later, we're married with a kid both making mad money! Life is good. Can be for you too, if you want it bad enough! Look me up if you want more details! ZenMachine
/r/seduction01/09/22 05:10 AM
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I've always had the Mindset: "I'm the prize, not you!" Don't even think about comparing yourself to other guys, as soon as you do, the Mark will sense it! Just like some people have Resting Bitch Face, I've always had this Half Smile that relays I know something you don't know. Which has always helped when I spoke to women. Go forward and fornicate! ZenMachine
/r/seduction31/08/22 05:55 PM
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Odds are it's a guy, but play it safe if it works out great! I admit I had a older woman fwb when I was 22, although I don't think 10 year difference necessarily counts. I can say from that experience I realized it's possible to live a "Porn" life. It was epic! Good luck! ZenMachine
/r/seduction30/08/22 03:23 PM
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That's funny just saw the Netflix documentary on that! I kind of wondered in that time, did Man Two have phone/cyber sex with the other guy?
/r/seduction30/08/22 03:14 PM
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"I don't kiss n tell. I respect the women I've been with enough not to say anything. If you absolutely need a number: it's a lot! So that can be 10 or it could be 100! What matters is us. Not my past!" If you lose them, you would have lost them anyway. "There's a nicer, better looking bus that comes by every 15 minutes!" - ZenMachine
/r/seduction28/08/22 05:58 PM
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Totally true! After my divorce, I became the Asshole I was truly meant to be, no more compromise. No more pretending to be someone I wasn't. And literally the Heavens opened up and everything went my way since! I'm truly happy and for the first time in my life I understand the idea of Joy.
/r/seduction04/05/22 03:46 PM
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You know that's fair! Also quit Trump Sex Doll shaming!
/r/seduction21/04/22 01:08 PM
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Nah ... Men or Women are attracted to people who have their Shit together... Which unfortunately many times is defined by society! I can only speak for myself, but I don't recall a time I've EVER been attracted to a woman who looked like Dumpster Fire! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction15/04/22 07:49 PM
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Everything is a matter perspective, I would love to be 5'9" and 110lb. Instead I'm 5'5", 190#. But I didn't have problems with women 7-up because I learned Game and was already good at being social. Just keep pushing, ignore negative shit, be consistent and you'll pull it all off! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:32 PM
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You have to remember all the PUA material was made for the masses. From the Incels living in their parents basements to the celebrity that pretty much has everything but needs a little edge. My roommate and I were considered "Naturals", but were out of our game for many years because we were previously married. I retired at "24", while my roommate stayed in the game until recently his number is over 100, 10 years later. My other buddy who was a natural stopped around 200-309 The more "Natural", …
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:35 AM
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You are in subreddit on Seduction, or the Game. It's essentially a hack into seduction, sex and Relationships. Biohacking is the same thing, but for your body. Imagine healing and fucking like Wolverine? Or not needing any real sleep or building muscle and dropping weight extremely quickly. Or even ... Time distortion? All that shit is real! I can personally attest to ALL of it. Look up Biohacking. You can start with Andrew Huberman on YouTube. But make sure if this is what you want. Otherwise y…
/r/seduction31/03/22 09:30 PM
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There's nothing with being your own "Man", But no matter what you decide to do. Always push the envelope in everything you do! This isn't just about Women, Sex and Relationships. For example I'm currently looking into Biohacking the body. Good luck! If you have any questions look me up! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction31/03/22 07:36 PM
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Ok I get I'll most likely get downvoted, but it should be address to be thorough. Is it possible you maybe Gay or Bi? You give a safe vibe for women, but nothing ever happens? Otherwise I'll go with the need to escalate with the women. No matter what they say about equal rights most will expect the man to initiate.
/r/seduction31/03/22 05:37 PM
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When I was in the Game, I was short(5,5") overweight (#203), balding and penniless. I dated Models, strippers and 7-ups. Stick with it, have faith in the knowledge and experience of those before you and you'll be fine. Success isn't overnight! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction21/03/22 09:18 PM
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I think a more accurate statement is: Women are more attracted to personality than looks vs men who "typically" is the other way around. The truth is being good looking whether male or female helps and is the foot in the door. Anybody who says otherwise it's lying to you. BUT from my observations if you have a good personality it compensates for looks quite a bit. ZenMachine
/r/seduction12/03/22 09:19 PM
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It's ok to have a short penis, it also helps to have some girth! Either way make sure you have skills and you'll be fine.
/r/seduction08/03/22 01:03 PM
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You're overthinking it. Sounds like a great date. You need to put in your flight time. Don't sweat it and don't try to short cut it. If it happens sooner awesome! ZenMachine
/r/seduction01/03/22 02:01 PM
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It's actually more like in Sales. You have your Yes and No(s) but there is a significant part of the no(s) that are actually Maybe(s). All that PUA materials and advice on here is for those cases. - ZenMachine
/r/seduction26/02/22 06:48 PM
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The one equalizer among all countries: Having Wealth! You can be ugly AF as long as you got money some hottie will Fuck you in any language!
/r/seduction19/02/22 02:42 AM
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Dude, I'm Asian so I'm not white either. However anyone who tells you skin color doesn't matter is Bullshit too! Dating sites is a numbers game! But you need to be good at the online game which I was, compared to my roommate who was my wingman. I retired at "24", I would say he just got into a committed relationship and his number now is over 100(he lost track). Btw he's Cuban and was fatter, but taller than me. Both of us were scoring 7-ups. Don't give up, rebrand yourself! - Z
/r/seduction10/02/22 04:30 AM
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This was over 10 years ago. It was PoF and the other free one: OK Cupid. Before Tinder. It really shouldn't matter, because there is literally a whole science behind dating sites, marketing and Seduction. Don't give up, rebrand! - Z
/r/seduction10/02/22 04:12 AM
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Before I retired, I was getting decent numbers from dating sites and I'm short (5'5"), fat, balding and penniless. Sounds like you just need to rework your profiles and pics. - ZenMachine
/r/seduction10/02/22 03:36 AM
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Put on porn, raise the volume and masturbate loudly. They'll catch the hint!
/r/seduction10/02/22 03:30 AM
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It's just part of the Game, most of it can be overcome IF the image you are trying to portray becomes who you really are. In the beginning you literally have to be "on" as soon as you leave your house, in time The Game becomes 2nd nature. I've retired from the Game for over 10 years now, my wife tells me she can always tell when I switch into my "Zone". I never recognize it because that's who I've become. - ZenMachine
/r/seduction05/02/22 02:24 PM
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Yeah, I'm stealing that term!
/r/seduction19/01/22 11:02 PM
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If Sex isn't an issue, then deal. But if it is this is clearly a Red Flag! Dump her and move on. Don't try to change her, that's not your place. The phrase "plenty of fish" for a reason. - ZenMachine
/r/seduction04/01/22 04:12 PM
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Let it go and move on. Txt back and tell her it was a pleasure and when she's ready to move on, to reach out. IF you're still available you guys can go out again. If she suddenly realizes she doesn't want to lose you, she'll get over it, if not, you don't have time to supplicate until she does. - ZenMachine
/r/seduction23/12/21 07:20 PM
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Pretty standard. Neg her, Neg her, Neg her. Don't forget, YOU are the prize! Not her! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction20/12/21 12:33 PM
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Why would you ask? Whether they have one or not, the woman has no issue throwing that out. And two if she has one and she continues flirting with you, then he's on the way out anyway! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction18/12/21 03:02 PM
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truth Part of my roommate and I's success was not about getting laid, but it was always about having fun! Getting laid was just the byproduct!
/r/seduction08/12/21 10:26 PM
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10 years ago was a different time period, pre "Me Too" movement. We used Styles/Mystery and Ross Jefferies SS methods. To me, they are the Founders of The Game and Seduction. Although I'm happily married, my favorite current SS author who focuses on long term relationships is Ian Ironwood. The truth is the modern Pugs just rehash old material. To supplement your education start training in the Venusian arts as well! Multiple Male orgasms, Female Ejaculation, Tantric Massage. Hope that helps? - Z…
/r/seduction08/12/21 09:59 PM
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I was 40, fat, balding and penniless recently divorced than between my roommate and I gamed until I found the perfect woman, married had a kid, turn my life from a loser to a success story within 2 years of my divorce. During my single time, fucked strippers, models and an adult entertainer. I retired at #24. My roommate continue to game for another 8+ years. In a LT relationship currently with over 100 confirmed. He too, was brokeass and fat. So "The Game" works! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction08/12/21 09:05 PM
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Online dating is like shooting fish in a barrel. If you understand sales and marketing you'll be successful. It should cover 10-20% of your sarging max. The rest of the time you should work on your cold approach.
/r/seduction03/08/21 12:07 PM
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Find a target rich environment to Sarge. Whether it's day or night game. At the end of the day, most PUAs won't tell you; It's a numbers game. Of course if you have the confidence you're basically half way there! Get Laid! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction09/07/20 06:40 PM
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When you realize your worth, you realize about 95% of Women have nothing to offer besides a Fuck Hole. The New challenge for you is to find that other 5%!
/r/seduction04/07/20 12:28 AM
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This guy gets it! I always imagine the girl getting face fucked choking down fat cock. While her eye liner is running down her face. All while I'm destroying the punching bag! Good times!
/r/seduction26/01/20 07:00 AM
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For those who understand, I'd sum up the game in three words: "Be The Alpha"! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction14/01/20 11:47 AM
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It's done. You need to let it go. You're about a text or two into being a creeper/stalker. Sounds like you got one-itus. Go fuck 10 other women, if you still have feelings come back and the community will help you! As my first mentor use to tell me, "There a bigger, nicer, better bus that comes by every 15 minutes!" I wish you good luck and God Speed! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction27/12/19 12:37 PM
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2020 New Year, New Goals! You can do it!
/r/seduction26/12/19 04:57 PM
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That's true, this is typically my end goal which happen last night for most of the night, but it's usually me who gets restless and shifts!
/r/seduction26/12/19 03:56 PM
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truth there's a difference between getting a job, and keeping it! For some seduction really is just about getting laid, for me it's always been getting laid and keeping the right one!
/r/seduction26/12/19 03:39 PM
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I get that, the difference is my Wingman and I have a mission statement: "It's all about getting laid and getting paid!" He and I have always pushed beyond "The Game". It's actually easy to get laid if you understand the fundamentals, getting paid is a little more challenging. Part of getting paid is enjoying what you do. My roommate was a brand manager to a cigar boutique, I was a Fight choreographer for Indy films. At nights, we would drink and smoke cigars, knew where all the parties were, bo…
/r/seduction26/12/19 03:06 PM
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At the end, depends on the girl, but I'd argue you're safe playing Portishead. The other night my wife put on Tiesto while we were gaming and I called her out. "You fucked to Tiesto? She blushed...2 hours later, she's on top, trying to rip my dick off with Tiesto in the background! Thank you Spotify! The lesson here, is find out what music is already anchored to the mark, no reason you need to reinvent the wheel! - ZenMachine
/r/seduction24/12/19 06:39 AM
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My Roommate/Wingman and I had a general rule: No matter what happens we're going to have fun! Getting laid was ALWAYS secondary and because of that, we had a blast and we pretty much always got laid! It's a cliche, but it's true. When you don't look for it, is when it happens! I suspect it's because 1) you're having a good time and people tend to gravitate to "The Party" and 2) you don't look needy. Don't talk about the adventure, make it happen! Give yourself some downtime to discover yourself,…
/r/seduction24/12/19 03:28 AM
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I believe in gambling when it's in my favor. There's too many reasons for her to say no if you ask her immediately. She's just about to go on major travel in a couple of days, the last thing she needs is to complicate things before the holidays. It also doesn't feel like you have her hooked, so waiting until she returns from the holiday is what I'd do. No reason to come out anxious. When she returns you both now have something to talk about when you connect.
/r/seduction22/12/19 09:55 PM
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After 2 dates? I'd let it go and move on. My first mentor who was a natural and a PuA long before the founders, use to say to me. "There's a faster, nicer better looking bus that comes by every 15 minutes." After two dates if you're not able to close, it gets exponentially harder and you're already on your way to being friend zone. There are plenty women out there and at the same time if you move on if she was interested, she'd come back to you anyway.
/r/seduction22/12/19 08:16 PM
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It doesn't sound like you got her hooked, but if you're just looking to up your numbers then go for it now, otherwise I'd wait until she returns to hook her.
/r/seduction22/12/19 08:05 PM
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It depends, first determine what kind of woman you are interested in pursuing. You can hit high numbers at a fat farm or buffet, but doesn't mean that's what you want. For my type I tend to find at higher end grocery stores, cafes, libraries and bookstores.
/r/seduction22/12/19 07:59 PM
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Good for you! It's small steps, and what they say is true it does get easier and you'll never fully shake that feeling. I've been doing it for nearly a decade now and I still get anxious. Remember You're the Prize!!!!
/r/seduction21/12/19 02:43 PM
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My roommate/wingman and I were known among friends and the community as Zen/FX. Zen which was short for ZenMachine.
/r/seduction21/12/19 02:32 PM
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Basically it's nonverbal cues from your mark. Ie longer than normal eye contact, kinesthetic contact tonality, on the advance levels you also observe speech patterns, breathing, etc.
/r/seduction21/12/19 02:29 PM
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It's in the tonality, plus I typically give them the WtF are you looking at look. If they yes, I soften the nonverbals. If they say no (only happen once), I continue the slightly annoyed look and tone then moved on
/r/seduction21/12/19 01:20 AM
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Indicators Of Interest. Ie Eye contact, touching and laughter.
/r/seduction20/12/19 10:49 PM
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1st Congrats for pushing the envelope and taking the big step. 2nd Don't do that again, unless you get at least 3-5 IoI(s). Call me old school, but the Classics work! "Do you want to kiss me?" If she's already given you the IoI(s), then that's just the closer. If you're wrong, she'll say no, in which case you say, "I didn't say you could...? It just looked like you had something on your mind". You drop the thread and go into another topic w/o missing a beat. Remember YOU are the Prize. NOT HER! …
/r/seduction20/12/19 08:47 PM
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I tell them "I'm an Asshole, and most women can't handle a honest secure man."
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:58 PM
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It's like fishing. You Cast your line out and reel it back in slowly. If you feel a bite, you don't yank on it immediately, you reel it in a bit, then let it loose. Only when you feel they have it "hook, line and sinker" do you reel it in! Nobody can really spell it out for you, you really need to "feel" it out yourself. That's what the flight time is for.
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:22 PM
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You pretty much have the standard material, also get the Lay Guide, and whatever material you can get from Ross Jeffries. These guys were the founders of PUA World. To me, everyone else is just rehashing old material. Read/Study the material and do your flight time. Was it successful for me? Yeah totally! I was 40 years old new divorcee. spent the next several years living my life like a Porn Star. Most of the women I dated were swimsuit models, strippers and eventually married a former Adult ac…
/r/seduction19/12/19 05:24 PM
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