Clearhill Archive

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1	Isolation with traditional wants in feminist spaces Again with the intemperance - have we hit a nerve somewhere? I can't see where I've even strayed into controversial. You're really going to try to use the occasional queen to challenge patriarchy? That only demonstrates that nepotism is stronger than sexism in the system; exactly what you would expect if it were primarily about bloodlines and inheritance, as I stated. It doesn't change that none of them would have been queen if they had had a suitable brother (there was the odd widow too, but th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/22 08:40 PM
1	Isolation with traditional wants in feminist spaces Patriarchy doesn't rest on that premise at all, and I don't see how you could have that idea of you've studied the literature around it. It depends of course on how exactly you define it, but no version is really contestable when you look at the historical record. You could define it in legal terms - were women denied the right to participate in the authoring, enactment, and enforcement of the laws that governed them? Absolutely. All those activities were reserved for men only - and importantly,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/22 07:04 PM
1	Isolation with traditional wants in feminist spaces Patriarchy doesn't rest on that premise at all, and I don't see how you could have that idea of you've studied the literature around it. It depends of course on how exactly you define it, but no version is really contestable when you look at the historical record. You could define it in legal terms - were women denied the right to participate in the authoring, enactment, and enforcement of the laws that governed them? Absolutely. All those activities were reserved for men only - and importantly,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/22 06:57 PM
1	Isolation with traditional wants in feminist spaces I think the title 'random on the internet' belongs to you. Am I in the presence of their king? I acknowledge that a narrow focus is a problem for equality- based groups; in the case of feminism however you could argue that the goal is the eradication of patriarchy rather than the elevation of women (although gaining political power for women was a necessary first step). Patriarchy oppresses men as well as women; there are schools of thought that it's main priority is actually to establish a domi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/22 08:20 AM
1	Isolation with traditional wants in feminist spaces Wow, you're showing your colours. Cool the rage. Feminism is a huge, multi-faceted movement. In any sociopolitical movement there are hard-liners. You can't take them as representative, any more than most left-wing people completely agree with Karl Marx, or all religious people are hardline. They agree with some of the underlying principles, not the small print. They might have read it, that doesn't mean they can't think for themselves and have a personal version of the ideology. I notice you ig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/22 07:01 AM
2	Isolation with traditional wants in feminist spaces I think the problem people have with it is that it wasn't just about who did what and whether the man was the provider and the woman focussed on the home; it was more about the fact that part of this arrangement was that the man had control. His was the final word on all issues. The woman was seen as his property, to the extent that he could beat, rape and starve her if he wanted, and as far as the state was concerned these were not crimes (this was repealed legally surprisingly late in my count…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/22 06:29 AM
1	Regarding the post about women being “paranoid” about assault, what are things that women do in this regard that upset you? Court case last year in Ireland, rape - footballer for away with it because IN A COURT OF LAW they made the case that because her underwear was black, she was intending to have sex. Jury obviously bought it. You ignore everything about the planet you live on that doesn't suit your "me me me" worldview	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/22 12:21 PM
1	Regarding the post about women being “paranoid” about assault, what are things that women do in this regard that upset you? Hepatitis isn't a being with agency. If you're raised, it's because someone chose to rape you. Extremely poor analogy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/22 11:50 AM
1	What's wrong with being cautious in a world where you're on your own? I still think both mansplaining and toxic masculinity are phrases that are in common use for good reason, neither are worse than other common phrases that represent complex constructs. 'Lovebombing' and 'gaslighting' have similar problems in that they are widely misapplied; it does not follow that the original concept they described didn't exist or wasn't valid, or isn't something that people recognised and were glad to have a word for. The issue is the misapplication / overuse, more than the ph…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/22 08:36 PM
1	What's wrong with being cautious in a world where you're on your own? I think you could potentially take issue with any term that's reached a certain degree of popularity and show that often it wasn't being applied in the way it was originally intended. The example you bring up of 'mansplaining' is a good example - the term was coined after a female writer attended a dinner party. When one of the guests, an older male, heard that she had recently written a book about something, he, despite having no knowledge of the field except having read one book about it, bega…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/22 05:00 PM
0	What's wrong with being cautious in a world where you're on your own? Agree. I'd go farther - I've never heard a feminist argue that men are inherently rapists - most feminists that I know are all about how people are socially programmed, there are very few who advocate for 'biological' predispositions. Feminists generally see the problem as being with society and want to reform it. The only people I have ever seen say that men are naturally inclined to rape are on here, redpillers, who were saying it conferred an 'evolutionary advantage' because it meant your gen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/22 08:22 AM
8	How many more hours would a man have to work to balance the effort/stress in a relationship? It sounds like you're saying it's her job to split the chores and she is the problem for not doing that? Why - they're not hers to distribute, they are communal chores. Why can't he work out what needs done and do half? It sounds like you're asking her to be his manager too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/22 09:23 AM
2	How many more hours would a man have to work to balance the effort/stress in a relationship? Disagree. It is soul-destroying to see yourself overworked, frazzled and stressed week after week while your partner gets to come home and just sits in a chair. The amount of hours of your life - more than that, your youth, that you're spending on thankless, menial tasks just to keep a household running really starts to grate when the other person just ain't doing them. There is a weird resistance to answering the OPs question which I don't get. If you leave out childcare, I put in an extra 10hr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/22 09:15 AM
3	What evolutionary reasons would make a beautiful face more important than a strong body ? When I did undergrad embryology, one of the things they pointed out was that as species evolve, adults begin to look more and more like the young of the species - the mature adults will have a more child -like appearance. There was a lecture about it where they showed reconstructions of previous hominids, adult and child specimens, and the children looked notably more like adult modern humans (they didn't look just at how we perceive it visually, but at ratios of bone size and prominence, crania…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/22 02:29 PM
1	Is Love even fckin real? I think the fact that these ideologies don't account for human connection, bonding, or the meaning inherent within relationship is primarily what is wrong with them. They miss out a huge part of why people want to be together - the biggest part, in fact. We are social animals who live to bond - with friends, family, partners. By reducing sexual relationships to this transactional model, all that information about people is just discarded and ignored, so you end up with an incomplete, poorly fit …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/22 11:37 AM
–	The rapid societal decline in sex and relationships is solely due to women's lack of interest I think you're right in a sense - women are less interested - but you're missing the why. This is where the link is. A lot of women blame porn and video games, because men who play a lot of video games are often poorly socialized, and difficult to have a conversation with, and men who watch a lot of porn are often a chore to have sex with - they are more likely to hurt you during sex, take forever to come, and demand bizarre rituals from whatever weird porn rabbithole they are currently inhabiti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/22 11:02 AM
1	Men, women and murder - effects on the SMP/RMP Again with the insane. You're ramping it up now. Saying suicide is caused by mental illness is totally not the same as blaming someone they are in a relationship with. Mental illness is a disease process. When I talk about society contributing, I am referring to things like stress, social threat, the availability of free mental health services. Not "oh it must be his girlfriend's fault", which is an ethically indefensible and scientifically unsupported statement that you have just made up. "Rela…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 05:51 PM
1	Men, women and murder - effects on the SMP/RMP With respect, that's insane. Is suicide really caused by the person themselves, or by mental illness and an unsupportive society? This is you looking for any way to attribute blame to women over men. If you were to look at male deaths, suicide rates are high there too - I bet homicide by women isn't fourth or anywhere close. Diseases are not largely caused by unhealthy lifestyles, at least not in this age group. It takes a long old time to kill yourself with cigarettes and alcohol and eating bad…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 08:31 AM
1	Female beauty standards are not that hard to achieve. I don't think you have thought through what beauty standards actually are for women. Sure, healthy weight, but it's not easy to acquire the 'right' figure. A lot of women are not curvy, don't have a heavy bust, tiny waist, round buttocks, long legs - and you can't get those things just by going to a gym. They require surgery, and many of them are impossible even through surgical means. For men, yes, testosterone means that if you exercise to build muscle and eat protein, you will build muscle, a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/22 09:57 PM
1	Men, women and murder - effects on the SMP/RMP No, if homicide by men alone is fourth, then homicide by men + accidents caused by men + medical malpractice caused by men + manslaughter caused by men + cancer caused by a man's passive smoking + every other feasible cause of death caused by a man, any man, anywhere, must equal a greater number than just homicide; therefore a greater proportion of the total deaths. Therefore all-cause deaths by men could never be less than fourth, if homicide alone is capable of taking fourth place. I haven't s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/22 09:33 PM
1	Men, women and murder - effects on the SMP/RMP Homicide caused by men will be a subset of all deaths caused by men, so all deaths caused by men must represent an even greater proportion of young women's deaths than the homicide component alone. So I fail to see your point. Besides which OPs meaning (which you have still failed to engage with) is pretty clear - they reference the homicide stats directly with the statement on men being a leading cause of death - it's obvious that is what they are referring to. What's less obvious is why you ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/22 04:32 PM
0	Men, women and murder - effects on the SMP/RMP Nope. You are not being objective. 4th is not just top ten, it's top five. Think of the thousands of ways there are to die. You would have to get homicide by a man down to below 20 in the rankings before you could even begin to argue that is not a 'leading cause'. And yes, everyone knows it is mostly men who kill women, there are publicly gathered statistics on it in most countries. I live in the UK - here homicide is 93% committed by men, pretty standard for Western countries. So even taking ou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 12:50 PM
-3	Men, women and murder - effects on the SMP/RMP It is true. You are simply wrong. OP said a leading cause of death, and it demonstrably is. They didn't say the leading cause. It would not have to be the leading cause before it became worth talking about. Your reply emphasises that not every homicide is by a man. Why should they all be by men, before we talk about it? The great majority are - why is your threshold so absurdly high? It's like saying you won't discuss drink driving until ALL road fatalities are caused by alcohol. Your reply just…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 10:37 AM
1	UK: Domestic abuse charity loses £5M in funding because it is not gender-neutral: Brighton council chiefs said an equality assessment found more support was needed for straight, gay and trans men — and Rise is mostly a women-only service. By "break it down" you appear to mean "seek to minimize and invalidate because it challenges my narrow worldview". I'm afraid that's not how evidence works.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	03/03/21 01:42 PM
-1	UK: Domestic abuse charity loses £5M in funding because it is not gender-neutral: Brighton council chiefs said an equality assessment found more support was needed for straight, gay and trans men — and Rise is mostly a women-only service. Neh, no one said anything about women's labour. We're talking about unpaid labour, which happens to be done more by women than men. You can engage in the monumental effort of clicking the ONS link I posted above if you really need a list. Unless that sounds too much like... work	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/03/21 09:03 PM
-1	UK: Domestic abuse charity loses £5M in funding because it is not gender-neutral: Brighton council chiefs said an equality assessment found more support was needed for straight, gay and trans men — and Rise is mostly a women-only service. No. Still a hobby. A weekend to maybe catch two quids worth of fish isn't labour so much as pissing away your time. You're making me doubt that you're able enough to get the concept.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/03/21 08:01 PM
-2	UK: Domestic abuse charity loses £5M in funding because it is not gender-neutral: Brighton council chiefs said an equality assessment found more support was needed for straight, gay and trans men — and Rise is mostly a women-only service. No. Fishing is leisure. Cooking yes. Vintage car no. Unpaid labour has to be to the advantage of the family or society, not a hobby that benefits no one but himself. Classically it is considered as unpaid care work (childcare, elderly relatives) and housework, and women do an awful lot more of it than men. This is relevant to the argument that 'women take more out than men' because it decreases the time they have to earn money, so decreases their tax contribution, plus leaves them poorer than me…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/03/21 09:11 AM
-9	UK: Domestic abuse charity loses £5M in funding because it is not gender-neutral: Brighton council chiefs said an equality assessment found more support was needed for straight, gay and trans men — and Rise is mostly a women-only service. You may want to look into the concept of unpaid labour and how much it is worth to the economy. And who does it.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	01/03/21 05:00 PM
1	Unrealistic expectations of sex is a bigger problem than the "rise of sexlessness". If you're penalized for every person you sleep with, it's only going to be worth it for someone you find genuinely attractive, and overall you will sleep with fewer people. That's not even difficult to work out. Plus, there are still huge swathes of society where women are not having sex anything like freely. Shaming women isn't the entire problem, but it's a huge part of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/21 04:43 PM
21	Unrealistic expectations of sex is a bigger problem than the "rise of sexlessness". I think this is a really valuable point, and not one that is communicated enough. The problem is that that isn't often the way it's presented - it comes across very much like entitlement to sex, and/or aggression and blame towards women. Whereas women feel like they are penalized (by other men) for sleeping with men at all, so it can't be their fault - if their value decreases with every man they sleep with, why sleep with more? The only logical thing to do is limit your sexual availability - wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/21 12:46 PM
0	Are all women disgusted whenever a man opens up or is vulnerable? Like subconsciously? No, not at all. I think it's a sign of someone who is capable of emotional depth, and openness, and that they trust you. All good things. Never ever thought less of a man for crying or any display of vulnerability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/21 07:37 PM
3	Men and women's lives are too incomparable for us to find common ground on dating Spot on. If you're going to meet a stranger who is going to have 30-40% more muscle mass than you, plus statistically probably a lot of extra height, you are extremely vulnerable. If they attack you, you have very little chance of being able to fend them off. And you have absolutely no evidence that they won't attack you, and a lot of people do get attacked, every day. So I don't think that fear is "irrational" at all. Just yesterday I read a sociology paper in which college men were anonymously…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/21 09:49 AM
1	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? Oh dear did I hit a nerve? Go read a book	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/21 08:42 PM
1	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? It's not moving the goalposts at all - OP is talking about power throughout the post, and the theory she's discussing refers to power too. Also, in most of the world, OP is absolutely correct and men monopolise wealth too - the US is an exception in this regard, there's absolutely no reason to assume that OP was referring exclusively to the US - why would they? The US is not the planet. As to your contention that women are underrepresented through choice, that's a convenient fallacy for those wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/21 07:53 PM
1	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? That literally doesn't make sense. I don't even know what you are trying to say	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/21 07:38 PM
1	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? Disproportionately one gender - your average reader of English would easily be able to infer that. Women don't comprise half your legislators in the US or even close, so you don't have a point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/21 04:30 PM
3	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? Does this mean we have to now have an exact proportionate system where everyone gets the exact same representation based on their numbers in society. Yes. Welcome to ethics. Except this is the quiet spoken contract for women to find an eligible man to marry. And it is also how women perceive the capability or status of a man. I'm afraid I have to call that unqualified rubbish. How do you plan to support that completely unfounded claim? Are you even a woman? Even if you were, you would have only …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/21 11:47 PM
5	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? Nope. Holding power allows you to do what you want with it, to literally change the system to reflect your will. Since we are all products of the system, that power affects everyone in the society. As said, wealth is not a proxy for the power to control the conditions of the system as they effect your own life, and definitely not for the power to control the conditions of others. If it was, women would occupy 51% of those positions by merit of controlling 51% of wealth - they don't. The men who …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/21 10:46 PM
6	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? No one is saying all men benefit if men are in power. Nor is that relevant. What I'm saying is men are disproportionately in power. Just a fact. It's proved because despite holding equal wealth, women don't hold equal power. So measuring wealth cannot be a proxy for measuring power, because that fact alone proves they aren't the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/21 06:27 PM
5	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? No, gender completely disproves the case that wealth automatically begets social power. As OP has already pointed out to you, the positions of social power are irrefutably occupied by one gender, and this is disproportionate to their net wealth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/21 06:06 PM
4	A Quote by Dr. Lundy Bancroft in “Why Does He Do That?”: Thoughts? That stat is true, and also approximately what it should be - but we're talking about social power, not wealth. OPs point is that women do not hold powerful positions with equal frequency to men, which is just a fact	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/21 10:48 AM
3	Kindness, and Respect are not sexually attractive to women I think you're over-reaching there. You're absolutely right that a woman won't sleep with a man just because he's kind and respectful - but that goes for any component of attractiveness. Say somebody likes tall guys - doesn't mean she's going to sleep with anyone who is over 6ft. I also think that often when women discuss what's attractive they mean "attractive in a potential partner" - they're thinking about a relationship, not a hook-up. Most women would say kindness and respect are a prerequi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/21 01:20 PM
1	Q4Women: Has a man ever reacted aggressively when you rejected him? Sure it's happened, and I've seen it happen to loads of my friends on nights out. I once had a guy yell and swear in my face with his fists clenched and accuse me of leading him on because apparently I had been looking at him across a dance floor. Thankfully I wasn't alone, but it was still unsettling. He was a lot bigger than me. Although I'm not sure it's fear alone that makes women give indirect rejections. A lot of it is that we're conditioned that saying no is rude, so you don't like to, an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/21 09:22 PM
1	Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners? It's not that I'm unhappy with how it's going, talking with misogynists only ever goes one way, after all. It's more like some conversations are more productive than others, and the hostility is monotonous. I don't think either of us are going to expand any horizons here - but you don't need to start swearing over everything, it's tedious is all	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/21 11:41 PM
1	Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners? Well as said good luck with that. No one is asking you to support or defend anyone, we can do all that by ourselves. The hostility is entirely unnecessary, in many ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/21 11:10 PM
2	Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners? That wasn't my statement. I'm sure you can get laid if you try hard enough, hell you can always pay for it. But 'picking up the tab' for someone implies long term partnership - an admittedly warped view of long term partnership, since as said women pay their own way. But a meaningful, fulfilling relationship based on trust, reciprocal caring, that sort of thing. And you ain't cut out for that. But good luck with your life and all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/21 10:51 PM
2	Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners? Haha Only someone with absolutely no grasp of reality could twist 'women like working' into 'slave masculinity'. You don't need to worry about picking up anyone's tab. No woman on the planet would want you to - another great thing about women's lib is now we get a paycheck, we can pick the good ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/21 10:15 PM
1	Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners? Uh, women like working. And the whole having political representation and human rights thing is pretty nice too. Plus, if your partner is an asshole (statistically most men) you can kick him out without repercussions because you can pay for yourself. There was never a pussy cartel, those women were owned and I do not want to think about what they had to put up with to avoid destitution.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/21 07:47 PM
2	Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners? I think you've hit the nail on the head - when women couldn't work (or when their wages were held beneath subsistence level) it forced them to marry. The physical attractiveness of a man was therefore less important than his earning potential. Now, a woman can support herself. She doesn't have to settle (although eventually she may have to partner up to afford kids, unless she is a very high earner). So the physical attractiveness of men is much more relevant, advantaging a small number of attra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/21 07:39 PM
2	Despite men and women being roughly equal in population, attractive men are seen as scarce, why is that? I'm not sure attractiveness is what women are referring to when they say "a good man is hard to find". They're referring to a number of factors that go into making a good partner - and one of them probably is actual "goodness" as in moral goodness. For example, 30% of men in my country (standard industrialized western european nation) have criminal records - not good people, and going to be an incredibly shaky bet for a partner. Compare that to under 5% of women who have one. More men have probl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/21 05:34 PM
0	Marriageable men do care about N-count That's an interesting perspective but I think it's very much dependent on the culture. Here in the UK we don't really have a divide between 'nerds' and others the way it seems to be in the US. That's not to say that good-looking guys don't have an easier time dating and getting sex, although of course that goes for women too. But all kinds of people date successfully and being seen as a 'geek' isn't really a negative, particularly - they are often seen as someone likely to do well financially an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/20 11:15 AM
86	Women don't NEED to be successful, funny or interesting to be a valuable partner. That's the difference. You really don't get it. Women want to be successful because it makes them happy to be successful and valued in society. They don't want to be funny, they are funny. And they want to be interesting because you get to be interesting by finding out about and getting involved in the stuff you love - it's called personal growth. None of these things have anything to do with pleasing men, or making themselves 'better partners' - did you notice that your list was just a list of properties they would n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/20 01:35 PM
-1	UK: Men with advanced prostate cancer denied life-extending drug because NHS watchdog says £30,000-a-year cost per treatment is too high. OP: But for females: New breast cancer drug costing £90,000 is now available on the NHS NICE will approve or disapprove treatments based on their cost effectiveness, not their cost. The prostate drug is life extending only. It saves therefore saves no lives, and cannot have made the threshold in terms of Quality Adjusted Life Years. This is a non-story and posting it reveals nothing but ignorance of basic epidemiology.	/r/MensRights	27/06/20 08:27 PM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? Her having slept with one hundred models is as unattractive as her having slept with one hundred ugly men (to men who care). I meant more that she wouldn't be prepared to sleep with guys she found borderline attractive because presumably she is trying to keep her number as low as possible. If you're judged negatively for your count, it's only worth adding one to the count if they're spectacular - so the net effect is both that women are choosier, and they sleep with fewer men. That's up to women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/20 03:00 PM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? A higher social status than me. I clawed my way into the lower end of the middle class by my early 40's. I have the bearing and intelligence to hold my own in polity company. By driving a hard bargain I'd be ascending the social status ladder. I'm genuinely surprised by that answer - so you'd say that matters more than say, financial resources, emotional support, or reproductive potential? I mean that list is pulled out of the air, I have to admit I've never really thought in that way about rela…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/20 02:45 PM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? It's a self-respect thing. No man wants to wife the neighbourhood bike, as they say. Again, interesting - do you think that might be part of why women are less willing to have sex with someone they don't find particularly attractive? Like, if every partner is incrementally held against you, you're only going to be prepared to have casual sex with someone phenomenally attractive, or it's not worth the 'damage'. In some ways it feels like holding that attitude exacerbates the problem? Out of inter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/20 02:31 PM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? So you'd say the problem is that men have lower standards than women for casual sex, therefore there is a shortage of partners for men? Or, that's how you would summarize the situation, but you don't see it as a problem? It depends. Is this a sexually experienced woman in the sense that she's had one partner who she's learned from? Or is she sexually experienced in the sense that she's slept with many different men? Would that matter? If so, why? I can't see that it would alter much in terms of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/20 01:49 PM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? Okay, so it sounds like men also see themselves as either alphas or betas? I agree that men are biologically capable of fathering more offspring - but most that I know would prefer to have a relationship with their children, and appreciate that their children will prosper better - and ultimately have better reproductive odds themselves - if they are provided for financially and emotionally. What I was driving at was that something similar applies to sexual relationships - people want to have gre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/20 08:25 AM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? That's interesting. I would have said that women have the power of refusal, but that's not quite the same as choice - often women aren't able to ask men out because the assumption is that if he's interested he would ask, and therefore if she asks she is some kind of bunny-boiler. It's not scientific, but among my friends I know of many girls who had massive crushes on some of the guys for ages but never approached them and the guy never even knew about it - so I wouldn't say they were able to pi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/20 11:02 PM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? Okay, I think I get it (maybe some of the confusion is because people use it in different ways here). I mean I would never describe anyone as a slut or a whore, because I don't see sex as being morally relevant (I'm more in the 'something has to cause suffering to be morally wrong' camp) - but terminology aside, that Tinder effect does sound like sex is being commoditized. Although some would argue it always has been, in one way or another. Again, I think that's morally neutral as long as it's n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/20 10:39 PM
1	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? Okay so if I follow you correctly you are saying that it's actually subdividing women into those who will have sex with men only in return for something, or those who will have sex with men without wanting attention/commitment in return?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/20 09:22 PM
2	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? That wasn't really my query - it was more why there needs to be a terminology for this because it seems to me like it's something everyone does, not just women or subsets of women. The people you date in your early 20s are probably not going to be the person you end up with, you're looking for a different type of relationship so you go for a different type of person than when you want to settle down, and suddenly you need to consider a lot more about their personal qualities. How's it any differ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/20 04:52 PM
3	For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men? I gotta put my hands up here and say I don't understand the term really. It seems like it's just saying that people look for different qualities in a casual short-term relationship than they would in a long term partnership - isn't that just normal? I've heard a lot of people of both genders comment about exes that they were fun but not the sort of person they wanted to settle down with. Why does it need a term if it's a woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/20 04:31 PM
1	The idea that women are "sharing" a minority of men is vehemently rejected outright Um, that comment makes no sense. It appears to be totally unrelated to anything in the post.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/20 09:02 AM
9	[Q4M] Men, those of you who admire women in media or out in public who look/act/dress a certain way but are vehemently against your partner looking/acting/dressing like that...why? Isn't this just mate-guarding? It sounds like he doesn't want other men to hit on you, and is trying to control your behaviour to stop that happening. Probably based on insecurity, or perhaps a lack of trust in you. Either way, it doesn't say good things about him, really...	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/20 07:00 AM
1	The idea that women are "sharing" a minority of men is vehemently rejected outright I see. So the reaction is because they are assuming that you have leapt from "here's a thing, what might be causing it" to some kind of dystopian psycho-state that forces randomly-assigned dating. Which is a bit of an assumption, especially in liberal countries. But I guess it could explain the overreaction. Still very surprised that anyone would take it like that, but hey.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/20 09:44 PM
1	The idea that women are "sharing" a minority of men is vehemently rejected outright To be honest I'm more surprised that you've encountered a reaction like that. But I guess if people are annoyed at the suggestion that this might be a feature of modern dating, it might be because it implies monogamy is on the decline? Or do you think they take it as an attempt to justify misogynistic attitudes among young men - perhaps that's why they react strongly? Not saying it's either, because honestly I don't know why people would go nuts at a theory.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/20 09:35 PM
2	The idea that women are "sharing" a minority of men is vehemently rejected outright I'm still not sure I understand you - you mean you think people's 'emotional reaction' is because of the word 'sharing'? I think women are still for the most part heavily invested in the idea of monogamy (even though there are arguments that it's a system that's not in their interests). So perhaps that is why you see that reaction - but I have to admit I'm surprised that anyone would react particularly strongly against a theory like that, sex doesn't really have the moralization it used to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/20 08:27 PM
2	The idea that women are "sharing" a minority of men is vehemently rejected outright I don't think these charts are evidence of much, frankly - they just show such a tiny amount of information. First of all, it's self-reported. So it could just be that men are more honest about the amount of sex they're having than they used to be, because of changing ideas about masculinity and notches on bedposts, maybe. Meanwhile women are more liberated and so haven't seen a similar decrease - it could be that this has always been the pattern, but young men used to inflate their numbers more…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/20 08:13 PM
1	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? It's not victimhood to point out that this is an attempt to reverse the polarity of responsibility here. Someone who is interested in "personal responsibility" as you say you are should be aware of that - the weight of such responsibility is overwhelmingly on the side of the asshole partner. There may be a shade of "should know better" in some cases - but you would have to establish that this was a consistent pattern - that over multiple partners very similar warning signs had been evident and c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/20 10:56 AM
1	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? There's nothing self-righteous about calling out someone who blankets 50% of the world's population as "like children". Just because your dubious behavior is questioned, it does not follow that the person questioning it is being sanctimonious. You shouldn't have lowered the tone with a ridiculous statement like that, it compromises no one but yourself. I have seen a number of papers myself that claim such findings - abusive men may have more partners but that doesn't mean their "success" is down…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/20 05:43 PM
1	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? Nope, straw men are not rhetorical tools. In this context, they are fallacious arguments, because this is an argument, not a teaching session. But good to see you went and looked it up. Your point was completely fallacious because you stated that I was saying women are 'responsible for nothing', no one said that. It's a barn door straw man. As I have already pointed out (as have others), these people do not advertise themselves as abusive. They conceal it, otherwise they simply wouldn't get into…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/20 09:51 AM
3	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? Sorry, straw men arguments are a failure of basic logic. And as this is (as you point out) a debate sub, pointing out logical flaws is pretty much debating 1.01. It is not a "bad choice" to be deceived - be it about a partner, about an unscrupulous employer, a politician who wasn't worth your vote. I will repeat - you cannot expect one sentient being to take responsibility for the behaviour of another. It is not anyone's responsibility, regardless of gender, if their partner chooses to behave ba…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/20 11:03 PM
7	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? Not in the slightest, but I'll shame anyone who makes offensive misogynistic generalisations like "women are like children" and on top of that can't use basic logic. We are talking about whether or not a woman should take responsibility for a man she is dating turning out to be an asshole. Well, one sentient being can't take responsibility for the choices or behaviour of another, nor should they be expected to. I imagine there's a lot about life you find baffling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/20 10:17 PM
0	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? Oh look, misogynist uses a straw-man argument. It's almost like being sexist and not being able to recognize your own logical fallacies are in some way connected.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/20 09:03 PM
2	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? Typical misogynist nonsense. Aggression is always the fault and responsibility of the aggressor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/20 08:42 PM
8	What do you think men are talking about when we question women’s view on personal responsibility/accountability? Couldn't agree more. It is a simple and obvious attempt to shift responsibility from the man for being an asshole to the woman for not recognising him as an asshole - which is ridiculous, because a man trying to get laid is never going to advertise himself as an asshole. It's not like he turns up wearing a placard that says "I'm toxic" and you go "oh goodie". Interestingly, I have only ever heard this "personal responsibility" garbage from men who were also, in fact, assholes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/20 08:08 PM
1	How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex? I think the premise of your question is flawed (but I will get to it). Women don't have disgust for men who 'can't get sex', but they do have limited sympathy for men who feel (or seem to feel) entitled to sex. And please don't forget the amount of effort women put in to be attractive - you can't access any form of media as a female without being bombarded with images of how men want you to look. We're not just talking hair and makeup here (these take a lot of time, money and effort) but also re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/20 12:59 PM