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-1

It's the specific points he makes, for example women not being as good at programming or leading as a result of biological differences. It's bonkers.
/r/MensRights09/08/17 04:29 PM
1

What part of her physical actions say to you that she's looking for sympathy?
/r/PussyPassDenied21/04/17 12:22 PM
1

He has literally argued in favor of "ethical genocide".
/r/PussyPassDenied21/04/17 11:37 AM
0

there is literally nothing to show that she didn't think she'd get in a fight. From everything we know it's pretty clear she knew what she was getting into.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/04/17 11:36 AM
-6

Sorry, didn't double check the context. In terms of whether it's ppd, she knew she was going to be in a fight, so I don't get why people are saying she's surprised or that she comes off as upset. As if the guy didn't go in expecting violence either?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 06:39 PM
3

OK where is this assumption that she's surprised coming from? Every single facet of this story shows that she's not.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 06:34 PM
3

No court would call that a threat. You're seriously reaching. Why are you defending a nazi doing the same exact thing?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 06:31 PM
2

In this case you would need to point to a previous antifa riot where nazis were scalped, in order for this line of thought to have any substance.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 06:00 PM
1

The thread was about people saying she didn't think she'd get punched in a fight, an assumption sprung from thin air.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 05:59 PM
2

Because their ideas are tantamount to or outright genocide. how is this hard for you to understand? I'm not saying anyone has a right to violence. But if anyone advocates normalizing this shit, they will get hit. That's a foregone conclusion.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 05:53 PM
-7

Then why do you care what her position is?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 05:51 PM
-2

You think she doesn't? With what she posted? Why on earth would you think that?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 05:50 PM
-1

His information and positions have been posted multiple times across these threads.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 05:49 PM
1

No seriously, are you blind? Do you not see his fist? Do you think this is before the punch landed or something?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 05:47 PM
2

You realize the voices they want shut down in this instance are NAZIS, right?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 04:16 PM
1

Wait so we're assuming she didn't want to get in a fight? What supports that assumption? Looking at all the evidence it seems like she knew what she was getting into.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 04:14 PM
1

OK, but what does any of that have to do with her gender? What aspect of what you described is a pussy pass?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 04:12 PM
7

That's fair, but what does that have to do with gender? How is this a pussy pass?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 04:02 PM
1

Dude, it's just a single punch. You really think she didnt expect to get hit at some point?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 04:00 PM
4

Please show me where she didn't think she'd get hurt? If anything it seems like she went there with the assumption she'd get hurt. If you watch the whole video she immediately gets right back up.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:58 PM
3

To express a general emotion. Not a literal action. Why on earth would you take it literally?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:37 PM
1

So you're saying you admit she's not using her pussy pass and wants to get in a fight?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:35 PM
2

For what it's worth, she didn't get knocked out. She stood back up after the image cuts.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:28 PM
10

So then it stands to reason that she knew that. So then the obvious question is, why is this in ppd? She knew she was in a fight, she was ready for a fight. She got right back up and stood her ground. Seems like this place has devolved into an alt right subreddit that is just celebrating violence on women in general.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:26 PM
4

Because he's literally advocated for "ethnic cleansing". Stop making excuses.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:16 PM
1

Are you blind? He was already winding up that punch way before she put her hands out.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:15 PM
0

What does that have to do with her gender though? How does what you said change if it's a guy?
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 03:02 PM
-9

And the guy supports "ethical ethnic cleansing". Not really an ideal hill to die on here.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/04/17 02:55 PM
3

That subreddit hasn't been about that for a looooong time.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/04/17 11:12 AM
3

How is that any worse than "name any woman who can outlift a male who holds the record for lifting!"
/r/PussyPassDenied13/04/17 11:09 AM
1

she was not like "uhhh yeah" she was like "lol". I didn't say she was some comedic master. And how on earth do you not see a level of difference from 'lol' to 'your face is fucked up'... could not be more different from each other.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/09/16 02:35 AM
-4

She was honest about her preference and tried to do it in a light hearted way, you called her ugly. You don't think you're being a teensy bit thin-skinned here?
/r/PussyPassDenied10/09/16 02:57 PM
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Right there with you. I just feel more disgusted that I gave up when I was younger. Now I'm having to somehow dig up out of a hole.
/r/seduction15/07/14 04:27 AM
-1

Because no one uses that title?
/r/MensRights23/02/14 01:18 AM
-5

You've dehumanized and created an enemy to fight against that no longer represents anything or anyone in reality. congrats?
/r/MensRights23/02/14 01:15 AM
-4

You're ignoring what he said and mindlessly churning out talking points with no context. What are you even trying to say?
/r/MensRights23/02/14 01:13 AM
1

Read the comment he's replying to: "I took some fairly ambiguous comments she made and cut them together with carefully chosen clips that appear to say the opposite" Fine. Prove the comments are "fairly ambiguous". Prove us wrong. Prove this is jut clever editing. Show us the ambiguity of her comments. I'll even tell you how, because I'm such a nice guy. It's really simple: all you have to do is UPLOAD THE UNEDITED VIDEO. People, join me as I chant: UNEDITED VIDEO NOW! UNEDITED VIDEO NOW!
/r/MensRights18/09/13 05:19 PM
2

The original uploader is now saying that the video was a troll: http://youtu.be/zGSAk2K_qoA
/r/MensRights18/09/13 07:51 AM
2

You were dead on. The Youtuber that made the first video recently put up another that reveals it was all a troll by /b/. http://youtu.be/zGSAk2K_qoA
/r/MensRights18/09/13 07:49 AM
-16

You do know she has access to the world wide web, right? and the internet?
/r/MensRights02/08/13 06:06 AM
5

How does that "block all discussion/critique"? There's always a glut of Youtube responses to her videos, and plenty of opinionated people bloviating about this on every related forum. That's hardly blocking discussion.
/r/MensRights01/08/13 10:52 PM
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but /r/mensrights[2] shouldn't discuss Women vs. Tropes because it has nothing to do with men's rights... and I am the one contradicting myself?! That's not what I'm saying at all. This video, this issue at hand here, has nothing to do with feminism or men's rights. It has to do with attribution of video content, and whether taking clips from public LP's was right or wrong. seems like more of a /r/games issue, doesn't it? The reason I'm pointing this out is because the majority of the comments i…
/r/MensRights22/07/13 04:57 PM
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Well, can you agree with her through her blog and YT channel? Can you? I can both agree and disagree with her right now. See, look at me typing here. I can type my opinion here. If I wanted to say something to her, I have more direct access to her through twitter or email, which are both ways she'll be more likely to see than a dumb comments section on any site.
/r/MensRights22/07/13 04:54 PM
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Did you not bother clicking the link? the whole reason I linked it was because he goes much further in depth. ALL the clips were covered under fair use. They didn't ask for permission or pay to license a single clip. but getting the all clear from the people who hold the IP rights would likely override that. In what universe? How many musicians have complained about or tried to sue their labels for their music getting used in car or fast food commercial? You can't seriously think the directors o…
/r/MensRights21/07/13 08:04 PM
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It was funny how you managed to somehow turn this into a rambling political screed about them eeeeevil libruls. Good show. I mean, you somehow completely ignored what I was talking about to spout something completely unrelated. Good show.
/r/MensRights21/07/13 07:40 PM
-1

Kitetales focuses way too much on the context of individual games, which isn't at all what Sarkeesian is talking about to begin with. Whether she does a good job getting this point across or not, she's not condemning individual games, she's trying to use the multitude of games that use the trope to show why she thinks it's a problem. And anyway, the accusations being leveled in the video have nothing to do with whether you agree with Sarkeesian or not, so I really don't see why you're bringing t…
/r/MensRights21/07/13 07:30 PM
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Realize that feminists behave in exactly the same way and can be as petty. What is it about feminists Wait, wait, wait. First you point out that feminists behaving just as petty many other people do, yet then single out feminists as the only ones feeling entitled to judge? Do you not see how you managed to contradict your own point?
/r/MensRights21/07/13 07:29 PM
-1

Because she made a point out of showing that she bought the games (and claimed she/her team was be doing research) which clearly implied she was going to play them, as I just pointed out. And what does that have to do with recording them? Also, not getting the footage herself could lead to copyright trouble down the line, as the video points out. I've already mentioned to someone else the documentary This Film is Not Yet Rated, which is full of clips of other movies, all covered under fair use. …
/r/MensRights21/07/13 06:10 PM
1

It absolutely irrational to claim that, because someone didn't record their playthroughs, that somehow means they didn't play. This is ridiculous.
/r/MensRights21/07/13 06:01 PM
-1

No, they definitely didn't. From page 2 of an interview with the director, Kirby Dick: http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/unfair-use-an-interview-with-kirby-dick/P2 Fortunately we were working with an excellent attorney, Michael Donaldson, who was very clear that our film was completely covered by Fair Use. And IFC was a very courageous network to come forward and stand behind the rights of filmmakers. And it's kind of groundbreaking in that way. So we were very fortunate to have both…
/r/MensRights20/07/13 10:52 PM
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Have you heard of the documentary, "This Film is Not Yet Rated"? It uses tons of movie clips under the fair use law, and is sold on DVD. It's not infringing on copyright to sell something that uses footage under the fair use law.
/r/MensRights20/07/13 10:26 PM
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That's hardly an explanation. If anything, it shows about how mindless and mature this argument is to begin with. I thought /r/MensRights was supposed to be about real issues pertaining to men's rights, not karma-whoring paper thin excuses to complain about feminists?
/r/MensRights20/07/13 10:18 PM
-4

Ted Nugent, is that you?
/r/MensRights20/07/13 10:00 PM
-2

they're in a very grey part of the law No, they're not. That's why Sega can come in and indiscriminately remove Shining Force 3 videos. LP's are not fair use. many games allow the monetization of the video if it has commentary. No, it's just that companies have avoided shutting them down because of the bad PR. That's why Nintendo reversed their decision; not because they were legally wrong to claim copyright, but because it was bad PR among the gaming community to do so. Why would I assume that …
/r/MensRights20/07/13 08:48 PM
-1

When you sell people on the idea that you will make your own videos... and you get funded with more then enough to do so, you should do so. If she never claimed that she would record hours of gameplay footage, why in the world should she? And why in the world should we assume she would? If this is for profit, why doesn't she have pre-roll ads on her videos? Why did she drop her Blip account when they started forcing pre-roll ads? That's a funny way to make a profit. And infringement suits by who…
/r/MensRights20/07/13 08:15 PM
-5

You...you seriously think she can't afford a capture card? .... At what point did I say anything about whether she can or can't? The problem is that you assume she would record herself playing, when she clearly never said or even implied she would. Why in the world would you assume she'd record hours of gameplay to find a few seconds of footage?
/r/MensRights20/07/13 07:59 PM
-4

But that's a completely different assessment than, "she didn't record her own gameplay, therefore she clearly didn't play the game." No, that's evidence that she didn't record the game. It's not at all evidence that she didn't play the game. It's one thing to disagree with her, but to jump to such irrational conclusions is to do your own argument a disservice. I haven't seen the claims about her plagiarizing tvtropes or wikipedia, but even still that to me would say she's just a bad, lazy writer…
/r/MensRights20/07/13 07:41 PM
-5

So what? Fair Use somehow suddenly doesn't apply? On top of that, are you saying LP's themselves are somehow under copyright of the LP'er to begin with? No. Because she plans to sell DVDs. I know she'll have an expanded resource, that includes the videos, available to educators who are interested, and that she'll be sending DVD's to the people who donated a certain amount on Kickstarter, but I haven't seen anything from her on actually selling DVD's outside of that. Got a source? I'm obviously s…
/r/MensRights20/07/13 07:39 PM
-4

At what point is she required to? Even under the Fair Use law she's not. More importantly, at what point is she implying this is her own gameplay footage? At what point did she state or imply that she would be recording her own gameplay footage? Why would I assume she was going to? On top of that, what does this have to do with feminism or men's rights? Seems more like OP and others are looking for excuses to fuel mob anger than discuss actual issues. It's the same kind of shit that infests /r/a…
/r/MensRights20/07/13 07:22 PM
-4

If she had actually played the games she wouldn't have needed to copy game footage. She would have had hours of her own footage to use, Why in the world are you assuming she'd record her gameplay? What does playing a game have to do with recording the game? At what point did she ever say she'd be recording the footage to begin with? Also, it's fair use, not pirating. There's a clear difference.
/r/MensRights20/07/13 07:00 PM
-7

What does recording the gameplay have to do with whether she played the games or not? How in the world does this prove she didn't play the games? You're jumping to a conclusion based on tangential evidence.
/r/MensRights20/07/13 05:29 PM
-14

Yes and? At what point did she claim she would record her own gameplay to begin with? Why would people call her a con artist for something she never claimed she'd be doing in the first place?
/r/MensRights20/07/13 05:01 PM
0

What about the hate the guys recieved? Oh.. but you don't care about them because feminism. How can you compare that with the sheer amount of hacking, DDoS'es, doxxing, death/rape threats that she received? How can you claim they're anywhere near equal levels of hate? How can me even saying just that equal militant levels of feminism? Your kind is a PLAGUE, an INFECTION on this world. How can you say something like this with a straight face and not see how militant you yourself are being? Not on…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 08:04 PM
1

She posts a racist comment that is misandrist, I believe she said "Single white male: Life on easy" How is this misandrist? How is this an example of hatred of males? How are you not acting exactly like a "feminazi" by jumping to such an extreme conclusion? They weren't AT work. They were at a convention attending as members of the tech industry. That still means, "I am representing my company and industry at this convention, during a presentation about bringing more women in...maybe I should ac…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 07:34 PM
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What would you say the difference is between 'listening in' and 'overheard'? What I don't understand is your stubborn refusal to see any point of view other than your own. Because you're defending your "right" to be immature at work. I don't see how you're so unwilling to even consider that it's more than just "militant feminists" who are sick of having to let dumb manchild shit slide everyday. Yes, Adria went overboard. But the punishment does not fit the crime. Firstly: It's not my place to in…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 05:34 PM
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Like I said, this is just plain short sighted. The punishment doesn't fit the crime, for anyone here. Where's the doxxing or rape/hate messages for PlayHaven CEO Andy Yang? You are still not looking at the main issue here. She intruded into a conversation that had nothing to do with her. She butted in. What's so hard to understand that she was in the wrong in all her actions? And you're making excuses. To begin with, how often are these jokes made at a woman in the workplace? Most of the time it…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 01:08 AM
0

Her initial action is what LED to this problem, hello! No, it was her dumb blog post and tweets that completely exaggerated and sensationalized what happened, and their getting fired is what led to this thing getting completely out of hand. If all that had happened was they got kicked out of that presentation, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as much of an issue. noted it down to a couple of techs being immature I don't think you realize how often so many women in the workplace do in fact do …
/r/MensRights26/03/13 04:39 PM
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It wasn't hers to "take care of". It wasn't her business. She stuck her nose in a conversation that didn't involve her in any way. That's like saying no one should stand up against people talking in a movie theater. It doesn't matter if they were talking to her or not. She was eavesdropping. They were sitting in a crowd surrounded by people during a presentation. Everyone could hear them. That's not eavesdropping, that's them being rude. You can easily argue that when she championed herself as a…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:45 PM
1

I've discussed the content plenty, with the people around here who bothered to sound literate.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 08:20 PM
1

It's funny how you are so quick to label and dehumanize anyone who doesn't conform exactly to your specifications, then turn around and denigrate militant feminists for doing the same exact thing. That's total hypocrisy. You set back any positive message this movement has by reacting the way you do, and by seeing anyone even willing to discuss it as SRS trolls. Sorry for not 100% agreeing with you, I guess? Apparently I'm a monster for not falling in line.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 04:14 PM
0

she knew could burn down the whole forest. But how do you come to the conclusion that she knew this would get them fired? Also it seems the public didn't react the way you say she thought they would. This is why I bring up Occam's Razor, because the most simplest answer is likely the correct one. She posted the picture, tweeting to pycon, maybe some public shame, and that's all that was considered.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:50 PM
1

Who's the militant frothing at the mouth here?
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:45 PM
1

Yet again, you make total assumptions of what my opinion is and label my entire personality on those assumptions. You have no clue what my opinion is, because you didn't bother discussing anything, instead deciding to lump me into some vague stereotype you've concocted in your head. You are exactly why no one takes this subreddit seriously, whether there's any reasonable arguments here or not.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 01:21 PM
1

Or you could, you know, argue the issue instead of calling people names like a child. You give people no reason to listen to you when you do that. Calling anyone a white knight just makes you look like have no defense, especially since so many people use that term for so many different reasons. Whatever definition you personally have for it doesn't matter anymore, because it's been overused to the point of banality.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 11:56 AM
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Do you know the meaning of "didn't think ahead"? You're accusing her of planning this whole thing when it's clear that's not at all the case.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 11:52 AM
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Look, all I'm trying to say is that you're implying she's some kind of mastermind, when it's clear based on her reactions and behavior that the only thing she planned was the initial post. Accusing anything else is irrational overkill.
/r/MensRights24/03/13 10:20 PM
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You're raging spitefulness toward men and your generalization of them is fucking laughable... What? Where? Self defense is self defense, if a woman is intentionally trying to harm a man for no good reason, then he has ever right to harm her back. Well, NO SHIT. At what point did I say anything otherwise? All I did was point out your blatant hypocrisy of comparing 'feminists complaining' to 'males taking advantage of women.' As though those two things are anywhere on the same level. But you're sa…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:26 AM
2

I was banned from SRS, so the fuck do I care? Prove there are hundreds of rapes that happened in any one day in Sweden in 1995. Oh, you're right. I can't phase my body through space and time, so I can't prove my clearly arbitrary number of rapes, so obviously only the ones reported on happened. yup. Congrats, you ignored my point to call me out on the number I used. you win. You're a hero now. Go save men.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:21 AM
1

What? Are you suggesting sex is a part of work? sex is a part of human nature. One part. We're about so much more than sex.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:16 AM
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I don't get it. That teacher deserved retaliation. He was being a child. He didn't need to be fired(though technically resigned) but that's on the school, not Greenbaum.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:10 AM
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Then most of those people are dead set against rubbing their only two brain cells together. The words we say have meaning and weight to them. That's just a fact. If so many women, feminists and not, have issues with latent sexism in the workforce, then maaaaybe it actually is a problem?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:01 AM
1

So you're being pedantic then? As far as I'm aware Doxxing isn't just exposing confidential information, it's abusing this personal information. false flag radical feminists what the fuck does that even mean? I've said it before but this is exactly the kind of bullshit that degrades any salient message MRA's have to make.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:53 AM
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I'm saying the guy in the pic is being militant MRA. Of course he's technically correct, but starting facebook arguments over semantics and total lack of context is just about the dumbest thing anyone can do.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:40 AM
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She clearly didn't think very hard about what she was doing, that's for sure. But there was hardly a lynch mob out for these guys, compared to the Mongol elephant brigade going after her and anyone daring to have associated with her. Posting the guys pics was hardly a vicious act itself, especially when compared to the reaction. Whatever she said after that I'm not going to defend or speak to, though.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:36 AM
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You're analyzing the photo under the text, completely separating it from the context it's been put into. It's like looking at a demotivational poster and pointing out that the shark and the helicopter are spliced in from two different photos. Ya don't say!
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:30 AM
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Sure, but that's a whole different beast. It's corporate news. A pretty woman or a fragile woman gets raped, they're going to put that up because according to focus testing, viewers stick around for that. But they're only going to use one rape story, because following a rape story with another rape story, man or woman, would kill ratings. It's unfortunately the business of news. But again, that's a whole different beast from the subject at hand.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:26 AM
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The idea that one rape getting national headlines somehow means there aren't hundreds of other rapes happening at that same moment has got to be a joke. You can't seriously be claiming that.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:15 AM
1

OK, does that excuse this treatment?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:13 AM
0

"Post a vulgar comment while you're at work, lose your job" guy? Yeah, that's gonna happen when you use company property to act like a child online. All that proved is how paper-thin internet anonymity is.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:08 AM
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She provides her personal phone number? Her address? You want to keep being dismissive instead of actually considering what I'm saying?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:00 AM
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The fact that she didn't know what form this trouble would take is meaningless. Actually I'd say that's the underlying important part of all this. The initial act, and the initial goal wasn't vicious. These guys were being annoying during a presentation. She got it taken care of in an unorthodox way. That's all there was to that. Everything that happened after that was the vicious part.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:59 AM
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I don't have enough grains of salt to take with this. edit: hahahah this is devolving into right wing AM radio levels of smug. I can feel the narrator smirking through the microphone.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:41 AM
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The idea that you lump all those into one basket kind of bodes ill, doesn't it? You don't think you're exagerrating a smidge there? YOu don't actually think SRS represents feminism, do you? It's a fucking community of trolls. If you're looking for actual feminism on Reddit you should check out /r/TwoXChromosomes or at least /r/girlgamers.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:22 AM
1

Jesus fucking Christ do you even read what you write hey Charlie you're not in Da Nang anymore, you're a civilian now
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:17 AM
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just being a typical feminist Stopped reading there. If you're not interested in being an adult about this I'm not interested in discussing it with you.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:14 AM
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echo.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:06 AM
0

She Knew Exactly What She Was Doing. Oy.... this is quickly falling into conspiracy theory territory. Next you'll imply there's a cult of women controlling society and oppressing men. Occam's Razor dude. Bro's were being childish, she publicly alerted Pycon. I think it's pretty clear based on her ego-stroking after her "victory" that she didn't know what she was doing.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:06 AM
1

A lot of groups? Like who?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:57 AM
1

but 1) This incident shows how quickly they get fired when they're publically outed over it. that's an incredibly important distinction you're ignoring. You can't seriously think every single case is out there and known by everyone. One look at the #1reasonwhy trend will tell you that there's tons of these little cases that women have to try to ignore just so they can get somewhere in their career instead of jumping ship.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:53 AM
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It's not any one play on word, or any one limerick, or any one sex joke that's the problem. It's the when, the why, the how, when it comes to these things being sexist, that keeps getting ignored in these cases.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:48 AM
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No, just a sentence I probably could have worded better to avoid using a trigger phrase. Also, memes lol so funny
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:44 AM
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In this case it's creating a hostile working environment for women. Hostile in that, they're having to hear these same sex jokes, or comments about their appearance, ignorance of their abilities as professionals, trivialization of their abilities because of their gender, assumptions that they're secretaries or assistants, etc. just go check out the #1reasonwhy trend that happened a while back, it's a pretty good read of how prolific this all is. It's never one single comment that is sexist. It's…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:42 AM
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jesus christ, it was just a picture directed at them to take care of it. "fuck them up?" Where are you getting that from that one tweet? Everything she said after that, and everything that happened, wasn't trivial, but that's a separate story.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:28 AM
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Why do these guys even have to filter that shit? Because you and they are supposed to be fucking grown ups and should start acting like it? They were representing their employers there. It wasn't a fucking bar. They weren't off the clock. Oh and by the way, whether you think that silly little conversation is harmless, that doesn't matter. Put yourself in someone else's shoes for once in your life. imagine a woman hearing that same stupid 'harmless' conversation day in, day out, from almost every…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:09 AM
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How do I know what "it" is when the definition keeps changing? Don't do what? Agree with women ever? Disagree with men ever? You're not really giving me anything clear to go by here.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 02:00 AM
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She had every right to complain; But, the way everyone(including her) reacted is insane. He should've never been fired, she should never had been fired, she shouldn't have treated it like some huge turning point in sexism and likened herself to Joan of Arc, the internet shouldn't have DDoS'ed and doxxed her. Just a shitty situation all around.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:53 AM
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You're also right, but this speaks to the larger issue of the (for lack of a better term) boy's club mentality. So many guys seem to think they can still act like manchildren when they get into the tech field. This wouldn't happen if there were more women in the field, but more women aren't going to come to this field if guys keep acting like this.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:41 PM
1

I'm not going to defend what she labelled them or herself after the fact, but bottom line is she wasn't out to get them fired, and this clearly had gotten out of anyone's control waaaaay before they were fired.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:38 PM
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Yes... then her phone number and address were proliferated, email spammed, attempted phishing of her social media accounts, obligatory rape and death threats, DDoS on her blog, DDoS on her employer(even though she was already fired)... seriously, don't trivialize that crap.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:34 PM
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You don't get what I'm saying. The joke isn't at the expense of girls and isn't inherently sexist. It's the thoughtless mentality inherent in constant casual use of that dumb behavior, that's the sexist part. I don't think you realize how often that kind of stuff goes on in the workplace. This instance was the straw that broke the camel's back.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:27 PM
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You don't actually think every rape of a female is in the newspaper or news stories do you? That would be an incredibly irrational implication to make.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:21 PM
0

A bigoted feminist that says men are everything that's wrong with the world is just as bad as a male chauvinist who violently takes advantage of innocent women. Really? just as bad as a male chauvinist who violently takes advantage of innocent women. ......Really? A feminist complaining about men is as bad as assault? fucking REALLY?! Your total dissonance is exactly why this place is a laughing stock.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:12 PM
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If anything, it appears that she's looking at something in the distance through a window, like an album cover. This is a PERFECT example of ignoring context.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:09 PM
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We're saying that the premise that a man can hit a woman under absolutely no circumstances is foolish and sexist. And he's saying: no shit, sherlock. But learn some social cues and context instead of going militant MRA on any little inconsistency you see your niece share on facebook.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:05 PM
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Nobody argues that women shouldn't be hit if they're attacking you. OP seems to have become obsessed with being a champion of semantics.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:56 PM
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Exactly. Has everyone around here become obsessed with pedantic arguments and lost all mental capacity of social context? Of course there's an exception! It's clear this image and message is talking about physical abuse, not fucking self defense. Obviously you have a right to defend yourself. Way to go, you started an argument on facebook! You're now on the level of an angry teenage atheist.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:52 PM
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It's easy to see at that point she wasn't thinking about those specific jokes the guys were making. She was thinking of the countless other times harsher jokes of that nature were made at her or other female colleagues. Unfortunately, while I get the thought process behind why she decided to do it, the situation she was in, in this specific instance, did not deserve the self-professed label of feminist sainthood. All this amounts to is that she's a narcissist, feminist or not.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:00 PM
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I agree the overreactions have been insane, but I think when Adria all but proclaimed herself a patron saint of feminism she unfortunately lost sight of the issue she was dealing with. I think the best way to expose casual sexism is to show just how often and casual it is, not to incite mob rule over one instance of it. the #1reasonwhy trend on Twitter was awesome, and I wish that kind of thing happened more often.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:42 PM
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Do we really have to turn this into another lame battlefield metaphor? Is there no possibility for level-headed discussion with people who have different opinions than you? Are you that blood-thirsty?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:37 PM
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She didn't try to sink her company, assholes with bots did. Her ego definitely got the best of her though, thinking that a tech company would actually stand behind any of their employees. What an ugly situation all around, for all of us, not just those involved.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:32 PM
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Casual sexism? Fucking please. A joke involving sex is not sexism. A joke involving sex during a presentation about how there is a need for more women in the tech field? Yeah, that's sexism. Unkowing and childish, but still sexism as a result. They didn't deserve to get fired for it, and Adria is a narcissist for everything she said afterward, but don't misunderstand why their comments are seen as sexist.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:29 PM
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Human beings recognizing shitty behavior are the ones reacting here. No one deserves getting doxxed, DDoS'ed and rape/death threats. No matter who is doing it. Don't downplay anything that happened here.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:23 PM
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Maybe someone else can explain it better than me, but SRS is less feminist and more FYAD. It's troll-town. We really need to stop labelling SRS as some kind of champion of feminism, it just makes the whole subreddit look naive and childish.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:33 PM
1

Wait, I thought one of the tenets of Mens Rights has been the right to be un-PC? I see comments in that vein all the time in these threads, just directed at females. You don't think you're being even a tad bit hypocritical?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:30 PM
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It's not that he's innocent. He admitted to doing what she claimed. The problem is that the punishment didn't fit the crime. Getting an embarrassing talking to by security, or getting a bit of the ol' public shaming is one thing, losing your job is quite another. Nobody deserved that.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:23 PM
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Unfortunately, that means that only people with financial power are the ones doling out real punishment (i.e. everyone who might cause any level of trouble for a company gets fired). Shareholders Über Alles.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:19 PM
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If there's one thing I'll defend: Maybe I'm mistaken but at no point did I see her try to get them fired.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:14 PM
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What really irritates me about the situation is that people keep equating sexual jokes with sexist behavior. It's all about context. When you're in an audience surrounded by people, and you're there on business, representing your company, that's probably not the right venue for that! It's about being adults in your profession. You're not in fucking college anymore, stop acting like it. It absolutely sucks what happened to these guys, and everything that happened afterward, but that doesn't chang…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:12 PM
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No, it means the companies' service was getting DDoS'ed. It had nothing to do with her behavior, and everything to do with money. The same exact situation could happen to anyone, by any mob with access to spambots.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:01 PM
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No, it's not. Now any mob can attack any person and their employer, for any reason, and likely get that person fired. This isn't a good situation for anyone.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:58 PM
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There are going to be people trying to martyr her for being fired. There's plenty of people here waving her head around as some kind of victory in a battlefield. This whole situation was ugly all around. Nobody "won" from this.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:54 PM
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feminist indoctrination? You realize you're becoming as much of a conspiracy theorist as someone who'd say there's a literal patriarchy of oppression?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:50 PM
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Or the idea that "all of feminists=feminazis" is irrational and hyperbolic. No, that can't possibly be it! We're always right! Feminists should all be lumped into one big definition, they're not people!
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:47 PM
1

So what kind of name would you give this stronghold?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:39 PM
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But this is still a gain for us. It's the first time a feminist has been fired for defaming men. That's not why she was fired. She invited controversy to her employer. That's really all there is to it. Don't try to slap a "Mission Accomplished" banner on this. This episode has exacerbated the off-with-their-head style of business. Now, if anyone sticks their neck out for any reason, it's getting cut off. Everything that happened from this is ugly and shouldn't be celebrated.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:37 PM
1

To be fair, there's plenty of those people here, too.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:29 PM
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Are you 12 or something? How does spamming her help anything?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:24 PM
1

Half of the problem is that this is getting labelled as a battleground to begin with. Hell, half of MRA claims to be above this kind of stuff, but then so many who claim that, turn around and proclaim shit like "revenge is sweet" bullshit. This doesn't need to be a war.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:21 PM
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Someone posing as anonymous publicly sent a ransom to Sendgrid, threatening that if Adria wasn't fired Sendgrid would be DDoS'ed to hell and back. I'd say no matter the circumstances, that amounts to terrorism. Don't label this as a protest or boycott, it's a fucking hyperbolic mob out for blood.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:11 PM
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Patent trolls and corporate shills as far as the eye can see, son...that's how the apocalypse started.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:04 PM
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Feminists love to make speaking honestly It's not speaking honestly, it's speaking irrationally and emotionally. Something that women often get insulted for in here. It's blatant hypocrisy that needs to stop.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:52 AM
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It's about fucking context. Here's a checklist to help you out: Are you surrounded by an audience watching a presentation? Is the presenter talking about bringing more women into the field? Are you there on business, representing the company you work for? Then maybe you should avoid silly forking jokes! I swear to god, I can't understand how unaware so many people seem to be of context these days. It's like the whole rape joke debacle. It's possible to have jokes about rape, but only in certain …
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:50 AM
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Shedding someone of their anonymity is really the only thing that works anymore. She was right to post their picture and complain to Pycon. Everything else she did is pretty indefensible, though, and honestly Playmore deserved more DDoS and backlash than that the company she worked for.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:30 AM
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Thank you! I'm a guy who is trying to give this subreddit a fair shake, but when I see comments that equate any guy who defends a woman as "just trying to get some pussy" it infuriates me. Then the comments like buster's just makes the whole thing look like an echo chamber for a bunch of children who got dumped right before prom.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:27 AM
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You bring the whole thing down to this immature level when you do that. stop. It's not about appealing to 'militant feminists', it's about appealing to level-headed people who are curious. When they come in and see this kind of shit peppered throughout the subreddit, they roll their eyes and shut down any consideration for rational arguments. Just fucking stop.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:20 AM
1

Alerting Pycon to a couple of annoying children was a triviality. Everything that snowballed from that is a whooooole different story.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:17 AM
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Honestly I thought they came out looking like a fucking Brazilian kidnapping gang. Hostage negotiation is not the way to be seen as a liberator of the downtrodden or whatever they claim to be.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:12 AM
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I'm not going to argue about everything else that happened, but we've got to stop making this ridiculous claim that it was a private conversation. They were surrounded by people in an audience, at a presentation where a speaker was talking about getting more women in to the field, and they were representing their companies. It was about as private as a Twitter conversation, and that should have been obvious to them.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:07 AM
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That's not all she said about the next video. go look again.
/r/MensRights08/03/13 04:08 AM
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High quality.writing isn't as needed as it once was to achieve the same level of immersion. I think higher quality is needed, but it's not being made. They create Hollywood level productions, but still fall on, like you say, these old power fantasies, that inadvertently place women in a weak position.
/r/MensRights08/03/13 03:16 AM
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I'm talking about the damsel in distress topic. it's in 2 parts.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 10:58 PM
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Whatever the male protagonist does, his entire motive and ambition is to go through immense trials, in order to protect and save a woman he finds desireable because this is the only way he can define himself. And at risk to his own life. Maybe back when it first came together, as she points out. But I don't see how it's possible to lay all that on the multitude of lazy instances of the trope in so many games out there.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 10:49 PM
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Then the remaining 0.1% of the video is Anita basically saying that the use of damsels disempowers women in exchange for male empowerment. And it stops at that. You do realize it's a 2-parter, right? Oh, and throwing in an insult about her appearance? Real classy. That really helps your argument. That's some real "decent criticism."
/r/MensRights07/03/13 10:43 PM
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It doesn't matter what you're sentiment is, because your "word choice" shouldn't have been made in the first place. Shut her up with your dick? hatefuck? You're not doing MRA's any favors with that kind of shit.
/r/MensRights07/12/12 10:09 PM
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So now it is my dick in her mouth, eh? oh come on. You can't address that argument, so you attack the words I used? And they wanna hatefuck her? really? Is this Men's Rights or dudebro fraternity? fucking come. on.
/r/MensRights07/12/12 11:02 AM
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The fact you think to label my comments which you do not like as "being a man" or whatever twisted thinking is leading you to believe I am justifying my words for that reason is a reason why this sub is needed. No, I'm trying to say that using comments like that in a Men's Rights forum does zero to help your cause, and only perpetuates the common notion that the guys who define themselves as MRA's are only doing it so they can keep saying misogynistic shit like "shut her up by sticking my dick i…
/r/MensRights07/12/12 01:50 AM
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Look at how you cited me here is my citation: "I'm talking about the kind of guys I've met in my life who act like it's not a super shitty thing to say." How am I citing you? I'm citing the guys who you are acting like right now. It is possible grammatically the way what you wrote was structured, just really "convenient" how that worked out. I'm sorry if I somehow implied that I'm a master wordsmith.
/r/MensRights07/12/12 01:28 AM
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Why did you take out the "someone like you" part of that sentence? Just willfully ignoring that part? I didn't say you, I'm talking about the kind of guys I've met in my life who act like it's not a super shitty thing to say. I would love to see actual examples of that strawman. Just speaking from personal experience. I never implied anything more than that, either.
/r/MensRights07/12/12 01:09 AM
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The fact you think to label my comments which you do not like as "being a man" No, I'm labelling your comments as childish at best and reprehensible at worst; I'm saying that you bring down this forum when you spew that kind of thoughtless shit, but based on my experience with the average Men's Rights Advocates I'm also not surprised. From what I've seen, Rape and sexual assault seems to be the usual insult when women are brought up around them.
/r/MensRights07/12/12 12:05 AM
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I'm saying comments like yours is what makes Men's Rights a laughing stock. Because somehow someone like you always ends up making a disgusting comment like that and trying to defend it as "being a man" or something similarly thoughtless and immature like that. And why belittle how far the harassment got? You're still basically equating it to name-calling. You know that's not what it was, but you still hand-wave it away as something banal like "boys will be boys."
/r/MensRights06/12/12 12:46 PM
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Maybe examination is the wrong word. She's presenting to a conference of people who know nothing about her, what she experienced and how it correlates to women's plight for equality, same as the other presenters. So, how is that 'attention whorish'? She's in a forum focused on women's rights...(hint, hint) I will assume you mean aside from taking in all that kickstarter money, completely changing her project, not returning on any deliverables, It's interesting how the only people who make these …
/r/MensRights06/12/12 01:48 AM
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With songs being remixed and covered they totally hold no meaning in today's society Who said anything about remixes? Nobody's talking about what songs are being used in remixes. I have no idea why you brought that up. What true point did she have ? that girls are bred from birth to be mothers ? Yea thats been happening since the dawn of humanity. Boys learn different traits based on war ? Yea same thing. That's what is called normalization. We're raised to believe that this is supposedly normal…
/r/MensRights05/12/12 11:22 AM
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you cannot deny she is a polarizing figure. How is she a polarizing figure? What did she do that was at all polarizing except try to point out(fairly obvious) sexism in gaming and media. Not quite the same thing You're still ignoring my question: How does an examination of what happened to her come off as whorish?
/r/MensRights05/12/12 11:13 AM
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attention-whorish != actual whore. Big difference. I said whorish too. how does an examination of what happened come off as whorish? Her personal development was not a stated goal if I remember correctly. No, but her ability to put out a good series is. I don't see how any of this is some kind of horrible issue. What irrational backlash? The backlash that she was talking about for 12 minutes... did you even watch it? You don't call that shit irrational?
/r/MensRights04/12/12 11:36 PM
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cause a 1950s song isn't relevant in today's society, It's a song that's still being played during Christmas time. How much more socially normalized can you get than that? That was the entire point of the video. Looking at Christmas songs from a certain time that are still played today, and that they happen to be great examples of tropes that still pop up today. actually voice concern towards real issues Again, say what you will about her ability to make points, but you can't seriously imply tha…
/r/MensRights04/12/12 11:25 PM
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a guy getting into a woman's pants Oh come on. So those lyrics aren't odd to you at all? How are they different than the kind of stuff you'd hear some creepy frat boy say? The women's rights aspect is that she's pointing out the normalization of female subjugation in our culture. Case in point, the woman defeatedly giving up at the end of that song is somehow supposed to be considered ok or normal. the average person really doesn't care. Then it's probably good that more people than her are poin…
/r/MensRights04/12/12 10:22 PM
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How is it unrelated? One of the more legitimate criticisms is that she's not very experienced at presenting an opinion that well, and the people at TED that she got to work with are. And how does an examination of what happened come off as whorish? People love to claim that she only talks about herself, but this accusation is completely ignoring the level of irrational backlash that happened, and continues to happen.
/r/MensRights04/12/12 10:08 PM
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First off don't put words into my mouth cause i never insulted all feminists I'll take that part back. The way you worded it made it sound that way to me, but I can see how you might not have meant all feminists. It's still a dumb overgeneralization either way. You're still basically insulting her just for trying to talk about women's rights. She's clearly not a pro at this(which is part of the reason It's infuriating to see so much fervor against her), but I hardly see how she's going in the wr…
/r/MensRights04/12/12 01:23 PM
1

Instead of? As if presenting at TED somehow consumed her life 24/7? You don't see how ridiculous accusations like this are?
/r/MensRights04/12/12 12:34 PM
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No, what I'm saying is the only people who seem to be complaining about "missed deadlines" or spread lies are people who don't actually give a single shit about her videos. Has she produced anything tangible yet? Well, considering she's had constructive presentations like the TED Talk, I'd say so. For one, it'll improve her videos to get experience with actual professional speakers. She basically said the same about the rehearsals for this talk.
/r/MensRights04/12/12 03:32 AM
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How can you be a part of a forum dedicated to rights of men, then turn around and insult all feminists for doing the same thing?
/r/MensRights04/12/12 03:30 AM
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So? If you didn't donate any money then why do you care about that?
/r/MensRights04/12/12 03:00 AM
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It's all on her Kickstarter. It's only available to people who paid money. Kind of how it should be, really. Why are so many people who didn't donate so invested in burying her?
/r/MensRights04/12/12 02:59 AM
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Considering how her budget completely changed, you don't think it's possible that she expanded the project? She directly addressed this in her Kickstarter updates, but of course people with irrational hate willingly ignored this and instead spread lies about it 'missing deadlines.'
/r/MensRights04/12/12 02:45 AM
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That's not what it was. She simply sent a survey to those who donated, asking a few questions about what people generally wanted the video series' direction to be, and what games they want her to focus on. This, of course, got taken completely out of context and misappropriated.
/r/MensRights04/12/12 02:44 AM
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Honestly, I have seen maybe one or two valid criticisms about her views. There are plenty of things to have reasonable discussions about the stuff she talks about, but I haven't seen one bit of that. Not to mention, She hasn't missed deadlines, the entire project changed just a teensy bit when she was given 25x more than what she was budgeting for. She hasn't been silent either, she's been updating her donors regularly on Kickstarter. Both of these are lies that were spread by 4chan.
/r/MensRights04/12/12 02:40 AM
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