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Someone just needs to tell men the dirty truth: If you want kids and don’t want hand them off to a stranger for daycare: they *need to make more money.* Having kids and a stay at home mother used to be the standard: now it’s a luxury. If a man wants that: he needs to EARN it (including investing in his partner and relationship to build trust.) Want a family? Go earn six figures. Can’t afford it? Cry harder. The problem is that this financial dilemma ISN’T THEIR FAULT, it’s the fault of late stag…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:10 PM
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What do you consider to be “the best” sex? Ticking all the boxes and running through a laundry list of rote stimuli? Or sharing spontaneous, unguided, unguarded, and honest moments of sexual joy? It’s clear that she prefers sex with her husband to be organic, not performative. That should hardly seem surprising or controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:02 PM
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As a fellow bipolar guy with similar struggles: keep trying. It took me a while to find a therapist who clicked. It’s amazing once it does. Also, it’s important to note that for a GOOD therapist the process IS a scientific one: you need to shop around for the right fit, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:23 PM
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This sounds like a broad generalization. Conservative men are, perplexingly, MUCH more likely to be into femboys, and that doesn’t make them “progressive.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:34 PM
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I think you’re overestimating how many men are hamstringing their own chances through shitty, manosphere-driven strategies. Yeah, they’re out there, and they’re loud: but they’re the minority. Most of men’s frustration stems from generally decent men who cannot begin to hope to stand out from the crowd, competing with taller and wealthier men in a sea of app driven dating options. These guys aren’t single because they have shitty values and expectations: they’re single because there is far too m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:30 PM
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For a date or two? Sure. But can he KEEP a quality woman? Nope. Unethical manipulators and get a lot of doors open, but they certainly can’t seal the deal. Women want good men, but they want CONFIDENT good men. It genuinely isn’t any more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:04 AM
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A bad person may be better at landing more (mostly low quality) dates but would really struggle past the getting to know you stage. A good person doesn’t necessarily have trouble finding dates, but sticking to honesty mean they won’t get quite as many as an unabashed manipulator. They would have much better luck getting follow up dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:07 PM
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Yes, I think that they should. They’re serious and can really impact someone’s ability to function, least of all be productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:03 PM
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You realize that you’re cherry picking specific cases of short sighted legal decisions, right? And that those decisions, while certainly bad, pale in comparison to the violence, disrespect, and culture of discrimination that women experience on a day to day basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:02 PM
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I see - yeah my internal calculus on this is different, and I feel other men (particularly BP men) feel the same as well. Namely: if there is any significant chance that a woman will feel unsafe being approached, then NO man can approach any woman - because "risking" whether someone responds well comes at the expense of HER feelings of safety, not HIS feelings of validation. If a woman feels uncomfortable being approached it is the man's fault for having approached. That is, it is the man's resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 07:07 PM
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Not entirely - though I appreciate the response! I'm still trying to parse this: men are welcome to approach but its sensible not to? It sounds contradictory. Personally, I don't cold approach (I do warm approach, with people I have mutual connections with in social settings), but that is largely because the "risk" involves someone else's sense of personal safety. But oftentimes it seems like even warm approaches or approaches in socially acceptable settings are also being labelled as inappropri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 06:46 PM
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You just said that you hate being cold approached…but assert that men are welcome to cold approach? I don’t follow this statement at all. Can you elaborate? Obviously you don’t want them to approach YOU - but it’s still okay in general? Most men who don’t approach do so not because they think ALL women hate approaches, but because SOME women hate it. That it makes them uncomfortable. Nobody can tell whether a woman is pro or anti approaching, so the sensible thing to do is not approach at all, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:12 AM
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And who forced him into that position? The women he loved? Or the patriarchal military hierarchy that governed the country he lived in?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:51 AM
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Male objectification and Female objectification are two very different things. The latter leads to more violence and strife than the former, even if the former can be in poor taste. The things that men are objectified for, as you laid out, can be construed as extensions of his character, personality, and work ethic. This is not equivalent to women being objectified as a fuckable piece of meat (even if MOST men don't do this - enough do to make it a problem in the culture.) Different roles confer…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:03 PM
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I mean, everyone talks about how gripping Prince Zuko’s character development is from jaded, prideful teen, to self-actualized, honorable adult. But I don’t think enough people appreciate how strong a character arc this is when placed in contrast to that of his sister, Azula. Seeing Zuko grow away from a place of hatred and pride hits that much harder when we see Azula simply double down on her own fury and (pointless) appeasement of her father. Doubly so as they share the same roots, but wound …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 10:29 PM
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I can understand that perspective. But I think you’re overestimating the amount of women the typical guy approaches. Outside the (slimy) pickup artist crowd most men will only approach a girl if she REALLY stands out to him specifically. Per usual, it’s the aggressive slimy dudes who poison the well. At least from my perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 10:25 PM

Absolutely not. I want a life partner to love, cherish, respect, grow, and age with as an equal. And most men feel the same way. The only guys who want trophy wives are immature, insecure, obnoxious and loud - which is why women think there are more men like them than there are in reality. They are a minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 10:57 PM

If we’re somewhere in public at night, like the bar or a game or whatever, I’ll walk her to car. I’d hold the door for her, but in a casual way, not a “gentlemanly” way where you turn around, make eye contact, and watch as she walks through. Super basic common courtesy stuff. Combined with a bit of “safety is more an issue for you than me so I’ll help you out” kinda thing. But pumping their gas? Thats deranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:47 AM
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Your premise ignores a critical point for how thought out your write up is: Most women would rather remain single, even long term, than entertain the notion of being some “high value” man’s side piece. Shoot, the same is probably true of most men as well, when the chips are down. But women in particular are vastly more comfortable enjoying their own company than putting up with infidelity with added steps. And tons of women are doing just that. It’s the reason why we have a loneliness epidemic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:25 AM
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It’s about 50/50 But a consistent pattern I’ve noticed is if struggles or things I was dealing with started dragging me down - causing spikes in depression or anxiety - my partners have had tendencies to complain or grow resentful of having to pick up the slack. Granted these are usually temporary setbacks. It’s hard to be partner of the year if you’re dealing with depression, unmet needs, or anxiety - but they definitely notice when you start dropping the ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:26 AM
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Early 30s. I'm quite attuned with my mental health. And Millennials and Gen Z (especially Gen Z) tend to be VERY pro-mental health and pro-therapy. But it feels sort of...as if its more about validation and *self* care than it is about interpersonal relations. We can talk about the importance of mental health all we want - but if anything it makes me feel like ME sharing MY problems and MY issues with my partner would cross a firm boundary. As if the answer is an obvious "well that's *your* prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 05:45 PM
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I mean, this sounds nice in theory, but I’ve never in 15 years of dating a variety of women felt it was safe or appropriate for me to come to my partner for support beyond the most trivial matters. The value I bring to the table, to help support them, hasn’t ever been something that I or many other men feel we can just ASK to receive in return. Because then we would go from supporters to liabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 04:07 AM
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Rape culture, normalized misogyny, the fact that men commit so much more violent and sexual crimes. It’s a pretty baked in part of our culture that only gets worse literal sex offenders get elected to our highest public office.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:42 AM
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There is TONS of shame against women these days. The difference is that there is less of it now than there was 50 years ago, while shame against men has (rightfully) increased. This feels as if women no longer are shamed for anything, and that feminists are rallying against “fake oppression” because it goes against a perceived status quo. That men receive NO shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:53 PM
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Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:51 PM
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No, it would not. Even if only for the fact that it would lead to MORE ostracized men committing acts of violence and hate. It’s a cynical take, but we all know that nobody is entitled to happiness and connection (least of all men), and the fact remains that men secluding into themselves and “dropping out” of society won’t shield them from the grief that drives extreme behavior on some men: it would merely exacerbate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:50 PM

You’re still arguing from a presupposed position. Applying a middle class framework to a lower class scenario. When you get to the lower levels of economic strata - the working poor and those locked into generational (but not necessarily abject) poverty: aiming to optimize one’s “sexual market value” is a fool’s errand because no market outside their own low social strata will accept them, sexual or otherwise. They’re just chasing cheap thrills. They have no illusions about being able to better …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:45 AM
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Its clear that you have no intention of looking at this from any perspective other than the assumption that all men see women as sex objects, and sex itself as self serving and mechanical. If this stems from experiences with men who actually treat sex that way, and consistently? I can hardly blame you for feeling that way. But that doesn't mean that all, most, or even many men approach sex in such entitled, reductive terms. Believe or not - men, like women, are humans with needs for connection a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:20 PM
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You’re confusing a pathological desire for hyper-macho sex servitude for a very reasonable desire for human connection and acceptance in (and outside) the bedroom. Do some men fit your description? Sure, but they tend to be incel weirdos who struggle to get laid at all. Most men who want to be “truly desired” are feeling a deficit of acceptance from their partners, not a deficit of validation, which you seem to insist. They don’t want to be worshiped: they want to be SEEN.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 06:05 AM
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This is such a bad faith argument. The men who want to be truly desired aren’t feeling desire when a woman fucks them or wants their company. If their partners are having sex with them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:27 PM
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Yes, but BOTH forms of desire are predicated by someone initially feeling it. It’s just difference in initiative, when you really get down to it. Spontaneous desire is just a desire (rather, a desire FOR shared desire) that one partner is taking the initiative to act on - pending consent, of course. If there is no initial desire in responsive desire then how can there be any desire at all? You can’t reasonably expect someone to engage in foreplay when they aren’t already feeling desire - and thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 05:30 AM
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No amount of ticked boxes can ever make up for an unticked “sexual intimacy” box. She could be the most gorgeous woman on the planet who holds undying affection for me, emotionally and intellectually meshes with me, is a billionaire, and pays for my every need and desire - and if sex is permanently off the table, a romantic relationship isn’t even up for consideration. Period. Sex is not a sufficient condition for marriage but it IS a necessary one. There can be ups and downs and dry spells and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:23 PM
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Men who care about women’s pleasure tend to be inversely correlated with men pursue and hook up with lots of women. I.E. the men who get lots of casual sex, and the PUA community at large, typically aren’t as concerned with women’s pleasure as they are with clout and their own gratification. Hooking up with one person, once or twice, before moving on is very different from getting to have lots of sex, consistently, and over time with the same person. There are exceptions to the rule but still. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:36 PM
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In a large enough hierarchy? Sure. But this wouldn’t apply to the scale of a 1:1 partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 01:43 AM
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“Submissive” is code for “won’t speak up against me.” It isn’t masculine or attractive to want that: it’s desperate. The values you’re seeking in a partner are gross in that they very clearly serve your interests and control in the relationship: Won’t talk back to me Won’t abort if accidentally impregnated Abides a religious doctrine that places husbands on an artificial pedestal It just reeks of insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:47 AM
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It’s a sliding scale that runs in opposite directions for each gender, and each system can be “gamed” in a way that the other cannot. Women’s attractiveness diminishes faster than a man’s if she doesn’t take care of herself, but if her self care routine is robust and consistent, she might even increase her attractiveness over time - at least until she hits 50 (assuming she isn’t competing with 20 something’s for attention.) Men can kind of get away with sloppier self care, but are also (interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:37 AM
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That isn't being taught to be kind, that's being taught to be subservient. Which is VERY different, extremely problematic, and (rightly) breeds resentment. Which fuels the fire that OP is upset by. It's complicated. But he is making a lot of assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:12 PM
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Get to episode 4. That's where they get into the responsibility of the parents. It a big theme of the show. Jamie's behavior is VERY atypical but very clearly informed by the manosphere. Specifically a 13 year old kid trying to emulate it, after having internalized it - which is markedly different from an adult adopting the mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:04 AM
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Based on a true story. One man's individual liberty ends the moment it threatens the life of the next. To believe otherwise, to me, smacks of sociopathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:00 AM
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Yes. That's precisely what I am suggesting. Maybe not outright censorship, but restricted access for minors would be a good start. Then kids might stop fucking dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:54 AM
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So you haven't seen it. The gall it takes to call this propaganda is staggering. Propaganda against who? Men? The entire theme of the show is how our institutions and communication habits are failing men. It's all ABOUT being and better connecting with one another as men. You've made such a bad faith analysis without even touching the material? Do you really feel so offended by imaginary criticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 02:20 PM
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Have you seen it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:39 PM
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How is this misandrist? Not trying to be clever: genuine question.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/03/25 01:12 AM
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Hahahaha True Honestly it's for the best
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:54 PM
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That's true. But it's about how Redpill content can warp reality. Jamie, the 13yo murderer is NOT ugly at all. But he IS depressed, anxious, and vulnerable. And redpill content convinced him he was ugly, insufficient, and unwanted. The only person who every calls Jamie ugly is Jamie himself. Hell, the girl who bullied him (who he murdered) bullied him because he was talking about Redpill/incel stuff, not because of his looks. Redpill content can warp perceptions. Especially among children and te…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:53 PM
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Appreciate the write up - I can tell you're pretty guarded about this but I'd still encourage you to watch the show: its very good. The show wisely avoids actual political debate. Redpill content is established a driver behind Jamie's actions but they don't dive deep into the minutiae because it doesn't want to muddle the message or stray into politics. The absolute biggest factor the show focuses on is the tragedy of how our institutions are failing young men. And people are losing their lives …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:42 PM
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The manosphere content absolutely leads to more pronounced violent behavior and gender tensions that weren't there 20, 10, or even 5 years ago. Its a point that isn't up for debate. Some of it is purely about self improvement, stoicism, building good habits. But its a breeding ground for toxicity to seep in. ESPECIALLY for those who cannot process the information or discern bullshit artists from informed individuals. Jamie's brain isn't even fully developed: he cannot be expected to act in an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:31 PM
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That's a real source of the problem and tension. One thing that I liked about the series is that it never pointed fingers at the young boys as "the problem." Instead it focuses on the environment, influences, and information that surround the young boys and how we're failing them systemically - leading them to violence and extremism. It would've been very easy for Adolescence to point the finger at men directly as "the problem" - but it doesn't. The term 'toxic masculinity' didn't even come up o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:22 PM
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That's an angle that I really loved. That the father and son clearly loved each other so much, but struggled to really chat and connect because their differences in interests and generational communication styles were so stark. And that lack of connection drove division between them - and drove Jamie into manosphere rabbit holes at his angriest, most impressionable, and most vulnerable. As contrast, the relationship between the detective and his son at Jamie's school suffered from the same dista…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:57 PM
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Agreed. The manosphere causes violent behavior. Its a proven fact. There may be some inherent volatility in teenage boys but manosphere content, which is often tailored to hook them in, can warp and direct that volatility away from personal development and towards violence and hatred. Adolescence is a wake up call for us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:55 PM
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Very interesting to see young men as such an important turning point. There IS potential for violence, and redpill rhetoric stokes the fire. Adolescence really lays that all out in a grounded, compelling fashion, without feeling preachy or biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:51 PM
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It does. That's one of the biggest messages of the show. That the parents were well intentioned, but ignorant of the kind of things their kids are exposed to. That they didn't talk to them enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:49 PM
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I agree - to a point. Teen boys are volatile by nature. I don't think they're disrespectful to girls by default, but if they aren't taught how to properly interact with girls they can drift towards harmful ideas. Redpill theory, when in the hands of the young, impressionable, and volatile, is prime fuel to set violent fires. That is a big part of the show's message: it takes a village. That boys (and all children) are impressionable, that they can be influenced, and that parents and teachers nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:43 PM
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It's a holdover from the idea that a wedding ring I supposed to be a woman's financial parachute when she files for divorce. Important back when domestic abuse was met with a legal slap on the wrist and women couldn't open their own bank accounts. These days? It's pure greed and the shallowest form of vetting.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/02/25 05:01 AM
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Honestly it reads as a relic of the 21st century. As recently as the 90s the cultural norm of talking down to women, like they were children, was shockingly common. It appears that our sense of moral progress shifts more quickly than our capacity to manufacture and dispel irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:54 AM
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If I were a woman I would be outright insulted by your accusations that women cannot "love" men in a way that goes beyond a temporary "lust" sensation or a function of economic social utility. And you turn around and blame men for seeking this out? If you really were tuned into the "oneness" of human nature like you claim, you would recognize that love is less gendered and less cynical than you assert.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:31 AM
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I hate that saying as well, but I think conflating it with Nazi mindsets is more of a liability for men than anything. Nazis wielded broad institutional and legal power and were eager to enact violence against their targets in systematic, fatal processes. Women, even if they dismiss all men, see themselves as doing so for their own safety - not out of hatred. The problem is that by ostracizing men in this way, and operating in this framework, they can certainly come to hate men. But they do not …
/r/EverydayMisandry28/11/24 05:19 PM
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Who asked if you were trans? What was the context? Maybe they were confused, or just trying to throw shade, or be weird. You look very feminine and objectively very beautiful. And 5'8" is by no means too tall to be feminine - its hardly qualifies as tall at all to men 5'10" and up.
/r/RedPillWomen20/11/24 08:02 PM
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Having suffered from anorexia when nobody around me, neither my family nor my doctors, believed that I could have an eating disorder. Because I'm a man. Even after losing over 100 lbs my issue was never taken seriously, and while I eventually recovered, the lack of early intervention likely shaved a few years off of my life.
/r/MensRights18/11/24 08:00 PM
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I agree. Very strong, well rounded answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:08 PM
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whoosh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 09:30 PM
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I have absolutely no problem with closing the gap in terms of preferential treatment among women when it comes to access to funding/scholarships/stipends in higher education. You're also right on when it comes to the point of boys falling behind in primary/grade/middle/high school. Those are issues of the way education is systematized and administrated. I agree with you there. Where I (strongly) disagree is in the notion that the materials being taught are somehow at fault or flawed. We need to …
/r/EverydayMisandry10/11/24 11:07 PM
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Pure anti-intellectualism. The ideas and policies that the social sciences criticize and tear down are targeted for a very good reason. It isn't a matter of bias or "propaganda," it's matter of academic rigor.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/11/24 09:49 PM
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Let's be crystal clear, here. University and educators are not the problem, they're a straw man. Even the most left leaning of sociologists and philosophers are multifaceted in their approach and acknowledge men's issues as real and valid. Bashing them is simple anti intellectualism. The real problem is social media and the activists who take their words out of context to generate rage bait, likes, and retweets.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/11/24 05:54 PM
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Great. Yep. Because men are incapable of empathy. All we think about is fucking and killing, amirite? I'm all for women protecting themselves and fighting for their rights, it's just a crying shame that they insist on tearing down men in the process. I'm not happy with the election results, but I'm hoping that it's at least a wake up call for the left, in that they MUST take men seriously if the ever want to win another election.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/11/24 05:50 PM
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Hot take: with Trump this is different. Voting for Trump isn't like voting for a typical Republican. He is a convicted sex offender and blatant chauvinist. To vote for him is to give those violent actions a pass at the highest level. Is it any wonder Trump voters should be having a hard time getting dates? I know this is a space where men should be given breathing room and vindication from aspects of modern culture that attack men. But this is ridiculous.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/11/24 06:36 AM
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The majority of these headlines are good messages about important things. A few of them are absolutely heinous, though. "How to stop this boy from becoming a MONSTER" and the articles on blaming young boys for assault/misconduct that they haven't committed (because they're boys, it's inevitable, right?) raise huge red flags.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/11/24 05:32 AM
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"Mansplain" is a loaded term, but this isn't BAD advice. The problem is that it misses the point of the question. It doesn't say anything about becoming a good MAN, it's simply about being a decent person (mostly.) Our culture is so terrified of accidentally teaching toxic masculinity that it never teaches boys any masculinity at all.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/11/24 05:24 AM
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This is correct, except for two key points: They don't know they're sharing. They aren't typically looking for just a hook up. Why do you think almost ALL of women's articles, videos, and discussion threads are about "how to keep a man," "how to get a man to commit," or "how to go from 'situationship' to 'relationship'" - and never about "how to attract a man?" Basically, they're feeling duped and betrayed when the same 10% of men woo them, fuck them, and then move on to someone else. Most decen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 09:50 PM
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Who the hell is exalting male sexuality in 2024? Andrew Tate, maybe? The phrases OP cited, "he fucks, he's a player," etc, are usually said ironically and/or in jest. And rightfully so. I'm a man and I'm first to admit that male sexuality poses a dire threat to women. It doesn't mean that most MEN do. But women can't tell the good men from the sex offenders just at a glance, so it's best that they're suspicious of EVERY man. Which, to OPs point, causes major problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 04:39 AM
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Brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 06:02 AM
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That's...not really how relationships work for men, from a man's perspective. For women, romance is a noun, a wonderful thing that they receive from their partner, that validates their love for them. For men, romance is a VERB. Its emotional labor, really. It isn't something we receive, it's something we do in order to satisfy their partners and earn their loyalty and companionship. Don't get me wrong, we aren't unfeeling machines: like most forms of labor romance, as emotional labor, can be imm…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 05:55 AM
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I mean...duh? I'm a fairly decent "catch" by the standards for men. Educated, conventionally handsome, fit, very tall, good career, etc. But I have the double whammy of juggling both depression & anxiety (panic attack disorder, specifically.) It has been made abundantly clear that romance and love for me must preclude my being symptomatic. If I'm stressed or depressed I make others feel disgusted. If I cannot always be "on" to support my partner, I'm dead weight, and by no means deserve companio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:14 AM
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As someone with an academic background in social psychology and a professional background in digital media and PR - this reads as both conspiratorial and fairly interesting...if your claims are legitimate. What kind of sources do you have for that claim? Not trying to call you out: I'm interested in learning more about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 05:40 PM
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That makes it worse, not better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:29 PM
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That's a pretty disgusting generalization. A small subset of men who are chronically online and indoctrinated members of the redpill Tate cult absolutely see it as an act of dominance and degradation. This small subset of men happens to be very loud in the discourse and tend to be over represented in discussions like these. But the vast majority of men - men who are actually mature and empathetic - find that notion ridiculous. And to assert it as the truth is a slap in the face of male sexuality…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:28 PM
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I used to worry constantly over my wedding with my partner: how I could afford to pay for it, how to make it happen, feeling stress/shame over not being able to afford a "good" wedding. Probably because I know her ex was extremely wealthy and would whisk her off on wild trips. I make slightly more than she does but slightly less than six figures. I've never really been money motivated but this seriously stressed me out. Lo and behold once actual/serious discussion of weddings came up, she reveal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:33 AM
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Brilliant I'd upvote this a thousand times if I could
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:37 PM
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I can believe it Oof
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:33 PM
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Of course it is. Its genital mutilation - and culture, religion, and medical lies cannot change that. Its frankly an outrage that it is still legal in the US, let alone it being such a common practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:31 PM

Girls are either: A: Dating other girls B: In a cycle of "situation ships" with men who sleep around C: Aren't actually taken but tell everyone they are because they're sick of men bothering them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 07:23 PM
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Men are starting to become much more open towards and supportive of each other, broadly speaking. Bro/Lad culture is still a thing but it isn't the 90s anymore and being mean/crass isn't fashionable in the way it used to be. /R/Bropill is one of many great examples of this. But it happens offline, too. Men still can't really open up to women in many cases, but we're starting to support each other more emotionally than we used to, which is huge. Also, parenthood. Millennial men are much more acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:39 AM
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Many men who want to "have kids" mean just that. They want to have kids. They don't want to necessarily raise them. Or at least not put in the effort past the point of where it inconveniences them. Sure they want to play with kids, maybe grill them up some dinner, play catch, read them some books. For an hour or two after work a couple times per week. But they don't want to do the full time grunt work of being a parent. They're raised to believe that its the woman's job - even if its just subcon…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:12 PM
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The craziest bit is the first sentence. "We just tolerate the murder of women as one of those things that just happens." In what universe is the murder of women tolerated? You could make a case for it in, say, Iran or Afghanistan. But those countries are outliers. Murder isn't magically tolerated if the victim is a woman. If caught the perpetrator pays with their life (be it literally, or behind bars.) If anything, when women are murdered, it is even more sensationalized. Murder is murder.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 02:10 PM
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"Women in prison are dramatically more likely to suffer from mental heath and sexual assault problems." Oh! That's a serious problem. So we should invest more in mental health training, security, and safety in our prisons, right? "No we should just stop putting women in prison altogether." ...Oh.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/07/24 11:28 PM
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Totally!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 06:48 PM
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Sleeve tattoos are hot, too. It may be trend chasing, to a degree, but its a hell of a lot more interesting than a boring conservatively dressed, traditional woman. At least with a girl that has a punkier look I can get a feel that we'd have something in common, that we'd have fun things to talk about, and that she'd be open to fun experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:41 PM

I think the nuance here is: "Women are too picky" about who they match and message. & "Women should choose better men" to ultimately end up dating. OP's frankly troubling talk of "the optimal play" boils down entirely to maximizing initial points of contact. Behind it is the very legitimate issue that far too few men get so much as a foot in the door while far too many take advantage of women who roll out the red carpet due to optics, persuasion, and expectations. It's like job hunting. Everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:39 PM
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ITT: Redpill dudes who only like cookie cutter tradfem types. Septum piercings are hot. Short, dyed hair is hot. Tattoos are hot. Butch energy is hot. Basic blondes in sundresses can also be hot but usually are some combination of boring and unapproachable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:35 PM
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Could not disagree more. Something about that look screams fun/interesting/approachable/chill. I'm in the minority here but women who have that look just do something to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:32 PM
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Nah, those are hot. Makes a girl look alt/goth/interesting. So long as they aren't too big.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:30 PM
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Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:27 PM
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This might be a cop out but: how does she carry the weight? Personality goes a LONG way - yet obesity is undeniably a factor. If we're just talking 'overweight' - of course I would date her. Practically a non-issue. But if she's obese it depends entirely on how she carries it. If she carries it in her hips/bust/rear - its a non-issue (and I don't think I need to explain why.) She'll still have a sizeable belly but that literally doesn't matter if her other curves balance it out and our personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 05:25 PM
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This seems unique to affluent east Asian populations, particularly Koreans. On the one hand, Korea is VERY expensive and VERY competitive, with high costs of living and very long working hours. However, unlike the US or western Europe, men are still expected to pay for everything and support a partner and family on their sole income. Those who don't or can't are seen as undatable. And even a degree and a good job won't cut it. Only the top earning Korean men (or those born rich) can be the finan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:42 PM

Individuals don't exist in a vacuum. Society exists. Social spaces exist. Some are malignant. This is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:16 AM

I agree, in theory. The problem is that there will be individuals who simply don't see it as a problem, because they see those businesses as evidence for their chauvinistic ideals as culturally and socially acceptable. Or at least not harmful. Sex work is very much open and ingrained in, say, The Netherlands. But it isn't embraced as apart of mainstream culture and is seen as more utilitarian than anything else. The Hooters and Twin Peaks of the world, by contrast, sell a narrative of acceptance…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:04 PM

Bingo. And defending those businesses, even if you don't take part, isn't much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:01 PM

I mean, its borderline unethical even for a single man. Or at the very least: trashy. And trashy because its objectifying while commoditizing and demeaning women. This shouldn't be a hot take, but apparently it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:01 PM
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At least 5'4" (I'm 6'7" so this is a practical matter.) Not obese (overweight is fine, in fact I prefer chubbier women, but not obese.) College educated (like myself) Earns a decent salary ($45K or better - I make about twice that - in my 30s I'm basically not interested in retail workers, bartenders, or baristas. I want someone with a bit of a better foundation under them.) Not too religious and not too conservative - but she doesn't need to be liberal or atheist, either That's about it. I'm pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:34 PM
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Sure it is in their interest, on paper, and on a macro level. But it would make things harder for businesses/employers. And America prioritizes the needs of businesses and employers over the needs of families. Any politicians (especially conservatives) who claim otherwise are lying through their teeth. In America, everything boils down to keeping our ecosystem as business friendly as humanly possible. It's why our corporate/business taxes are unfathomably low. Its also why corporate pollution is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:29 PM
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The women who actually leave work to care for a baby for a couple of years is very rare. Basically it's an upper middle class thing. Middle class wages cannot afford to support families on a single income. Working class wages cannot afford childcare and tend to rely on grandparents or older children for childcare (or, increasingly, try to bring their babies to work, because their workplace pays as much or less per hour than it'd take to pay for the baby's daycare.) Low class wages cannot support…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:23 PM
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Why? It's better for business. Why would a company willingly deal with an employee being off the job for months on end? The child isn't their responsibility. They have a business to run and workers are expected to take responsibility for that above all else. Don't like it? Find another job, they say. American culture is incredibly business-centric and individualist. Families and children be damned. Our politics and culture lets companies get away with this kind of thing, and they're frankly more…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:18 PM
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I agree. That's a LONG list. But it's not a very difficult one to hold yourself to if you're empathetic and take care of and responsibility for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:44 PM
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Does it? I'm certain that some men and women think this way but I highly doubt that it represents a majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:40 PM
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How does this impact your dating habits? It's a perfectly valid preference to hold, but I'd imagine that if I were a woman with your wants, it would present a real risk in terms of finding a man who is a true provider because he wants to express his care and support in the context of that traditional gender role, and winding up dating men who think they can simply buy your affection with material goods. Do you find that there is some difficulty in separating the wheat from the chaff? In finding …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:39 PM
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That would imply some sort of biological imperative towards men who purely have more resources. And there aren't any reputable or replicable studies that support that claim. There's plenty of pseudoscience but it's largely anecdotal, or a case of conflating otherwise attractive personal qualities (responsibility, education, hard work, being supportive) with material ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:34 PM
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No, that's pretty reductive. Sometimes there just isn't any chemistry. No spark. And you can't really manufacture that via money/status/looks, at least not entirely or authentically. Sometimes - oftentimes, there simply isn't anything there, feelings wise. Being, say, Henry Cavill, will draw attention but it won't conjure those feelings or sparks out of thin air. On the other hand, you don't need to be Cavill-tier for those sparks to manifest. Honestly a lot of it is just up to chance. That's wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:36 PM
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Interesting question. Although the generational gap is still pretty minute, it is there. I think a lot of it has to do with nuts-and-bolts socialization. Millennials and Gen Z communicate and build connections differently from one another (even if they do so more similarly than, to say, Boomers.) Specifically, Millennials are the last generation to grow up without smartphones and social media. Sure social media and smart phones started to become pretty common once Millennials were of dating age …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:01 PM
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I'm a man in my 30s and I do not want kids. In America the entire system is set up against you: no public daycare system, no paid maternity/paternity leave, insanely expensive birthing costs (even with insurance.) It is logistically and financially unfeasible unless you make a VERY good (i.e. above middle class) income. But finances aside: I simply don't want a child taking up a huge portion of my life. I might derive some joy in raising a child...maybe 15% of the time. But ultimately it feels l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 06:46 PM

I wouldn't. If they were truly perfect then I'd break up with my partner and THEM sleep with the person. Cheating is for gutless cowards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:17 AM

The numerical framework is basically nonsense but the heart of your argument rings true. For example, I have a number of qualities that would prevent me from being dateable: loose skin/abdominal fat (despite being fit and active), mental health problems (depression, anxiety, bipolar), and a sub six figure income (a deal breaker at my age.) That said, I HAVE dated a wide variety of women, because I have enough other aspects to offset the drawbacks: I am objectively attractive (even dabbled in mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:11 AM
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That doesn't sound irrational at all. It's a great, easy proxy to find out if someone is conservative/ignorant/misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 10:21 PM

Actually we do. At least in America. I'm a conscientious objector. Also, the difference in the amount of men who fight wars and the amount of women who become pregnant is astronomical. This is false equivalence, and not a particularly compelling one, at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:08 PM

Sure, you can feel that way. But don't think you can force or impose that belief on others. Human rights begin at birth, not conception. If you consider an embryo a human life, you can believe that. In fact, I don't necessarily disagree with that claim: I simply don't care. If abortion extinguishes the "life," so be it. I'm not carrying the child: I don't get a say in what happens in the process. Because life of the person carrying the child supercedes it in importance. It's their body. It's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:05 PM

"Why should a woman have that privilege?" Because it's her body. Carrying and giving birth to a child can irreparably alter and damage a person's body. Weight fluctuation, massive cognitive changes, the tearing of vital organs and bodily tissue, and death. Until such time as the child is born it is a matter of woman's health and woman's choice. Because its a woman's body. It isn't complicated. Critics can cry all they want over how "life begins at conception," but that does nothing to tangibly a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 06:37 PM
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At this point I don't know who is more entitled? "Traditional" women demanding a work free life and the assumption of a free house (regardless of economic realities) or Men seeking "Traditional" women who they can neglect and abuse in the name of "feminine subservience." Traditionalism is a cancer upon society. And this isn't a novel observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 11:42 PM
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Commenting on this redditors weight is pretty tasteless my dude. Ad hominem. Attack the argument, not the arguer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:29 AM
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Man, it must be hard work being so fatalistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 12:48 AM
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Milo Yiannopoulos is a chauvinist and a charlatan. But in that specific instance he had something of a point. I'd stress that this hostility, particularly in Japan, isn't coming from gender dynamics or misandry as much as from economics, however. Japan is one of the last modern nations where men are still expected to provide 100% of the family's income by default...in an economy with sky high housing costs, a stagnant economy, relatively low wages, and a weak yen. If you lived in a version of NY…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 12:33 AM
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The fact that someone would feel "guilty" for dating someone who is neurodivergent strikes me as highly problematic. They aren't "underdeveloped" or "flawed," mentally. They're just different. The stigma is real, though, and I know it all too well. The real reason fewer women date autistic men than vice versa is because autistic people struggle with approaching and flirting, and women by and large aren't responsible for making the first move and can get away with seeming awkward provided that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:01 PM
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Do you have a source for that claim? Not calling you a liar but I find that very hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 05:22 AM
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Purely based on observation and a fair bit of reading in social psychology, I would rank it as follows: Easiest: Gay Women. They tend to have the healthiest relationship dynamics as they understand one another on deep, fundamental levels, and do not have loads of testosterone rattling around in their brain to drive impulsive or violent behavior (not a dig on men, it's a biological fact that testosterone is a volatile hormone.) Easier: Straight Men. Might get some flack for this because really it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 09:30 AM
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Fair enough. Interestingly I was raised by a Beatnik and a Hippie (my parents had me late and my dad was the older of the two) and to this day he strikes a great balance between individualism and informed progressivism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:01 AM
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Well sure, that's easy for you to say now that we're both apart of the generations that benefitted from the 60s cultural revolution. Also calling people who dared rebel against a hyper conservative, hyper regressive status quo hedonistic freaks is pretty messed up. Shit, far more people benefitted from sex, drugs and rock n roll culturally, personally, and politically than were harmed by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:43 PM
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This is absolutely deranged on so many levels. My brother in Christ, you need to go outside and touch some grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:35 PM
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If it's a male thing why does it originate from female dominated spaces like FDS and TwoXChromosomes? I mean, men online (especially here) definitely have a tendency to run ideas into the ground/off course/over the wall, but 666 is pretty intuitive, too. Women have all the power in choosing dates and relationships. Daily life is only getting more expensive and women can not only access most men in their region via OLD but they can afford to stick to their guns on 666 because, in my experience, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:31 PM
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No. Women have tremendous choosing power when dating. They'll always date up, and have no incentive to do otherwise. More importantly, most women would literally rather be alone than be with a partner who doesn't match their ideal. This is even more apparent now that what used to be a reasonable middle class expectation of a husband (he should buy us a house, pay the bills, afford multiple cars, children, & vacations) is now exclusive to men who are RICH (thanks to conservative fiscal policy and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:26 PM
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An ideal relationship is one which is 60/40, in which each partner is putting in the 60.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:06 PM
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Why would you hate what happened in the 1960s? It was a massively positive (if significantly messy) cultural shift. I think it's easy to fall into the trap of assuming that all of the "traditional" and "stepford" marriages that TV and films of the era promote were genuine. TONS of marriages back in "the good old days" were cold, miserable, and oftentimes abusive. People stuck in them because it was either illegal or extremely taboo to seek a divorce. Hell, that's why divorce rates in the 70s sky…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:02 PM
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Interesting take but it's hard to take him seriously when he claims that toxic masculinity "doesn't exist."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:59 PM
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Oh I'm not calling you pushy at all! Setting two dates seems fair enough. It sounds like she was the one acting weird/in the wrong. She sounds like she has strange expectations in a man. Nothing assholish about your behavior. I HAVE met women who try very hard to sniff out "red flags" and would consider a man not immediately suggesting one date time and location (ideally with reservations) as a red flag for being wishy washy or a pushover. You read that kind of stuff all the time on FDS. Nah you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:47 AM
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You're conflating initiative with asshollery. Planning dates proactively is more about being considerate and performing emotional/courtship labor than it is about being aggressive and arrogant. My partner loves me because I am a strong but gentle man. I plan dates, I make reservations, I make her feel safe, but I'm never, ever pushy. What women are turned off by, and have always been turned off by, is being wishy-washy and failing to take initiative in planning stuff. This is different from bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 08:57 PM
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I seriously doubt that. Some might. But most? Ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 12:59 AM
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Dating? Yes...within limits. It's okay to go on 3-5 dates with someone while also doing the same with someone else. It's important to suss out which choice is the right one for you. But after a small handful of dates/a month has passed establishing exclusivity is critical. Also: sex. I never have sex with multiple people within the same timeframe. I always establish exclusivity beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:58 PM
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Thousands upon thousands. But you can't name many names because they were omitted from the history books by not caving to forced marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 08:41 PM
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4) The physical trauma/body horror of a human being exploding out of their genitals 5) The realization that their life as they knew it before motherhood is now over: that their child takes priority over everything from here on out, and that unless they're very lucky and found a stable partner who understands that parenting is a full time job for the father as well (as in: their job doesn't end when they get home from work, it begins when they get home from work), then they're doomed to carry a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:18 PM
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That's because it isn't. There have been countless neurological studies demonstrating that fact. Doesn't mean you need to put off kids until you're 40 (if you can manage to afford them)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:07 PM
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People are largely putting off kids because they can't afford them. Gender politics haven't fucked us but late stage capitalism sure has. I've tried explaining to my boomer parents that I simply can't afford children - despite being a 33 y/o earning north of $80K - and they simply can't wrap their heads around it. The problem with this is how undesirable this makes men feel. Both about themselves and towards women. You can do everything right: hustle, go to college, get a good job, take care of …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:03 PM
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This is a really good analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:30 PM
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Your SMV will fall unless you take care of yourself. The only men who "age like wine" are those who keep up with the gym and lay off the drinking. Many women in your dating pool will be mothers. Many more will be divorcees. When dating women in your 30s finding a woman who is childfree and has never been married or engaged is the exception: not the rule. Money matters more. A LOT more. If you can't make enough money to buy a nice house and pay for a nice wedding: good luck landing a serious rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:28 PM
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IME it doesn't really impact a guy dating in his early-mid 20s that much...but if you're in your late 20s and beyond and are looking for a relationship? Yeah the majority of women are going to demand a degree. When they want to settle down it's naturally that they want an intelligent man with a good income. Yes both can apply to some blue collar men but having a degree is effective shorthand for "I'm invested in myself." If you live in a proper city many women are demanding advanced degrees. Nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 09:02 PM

The most serious relationship I've ever been in involved some serious emotional entrapment centered around this. First they were a normal, high libido straight woman. Then they convinced me to move in with them. Then all of a sudden they were asexual. Then they claimed they were bisexual. And convinced me to buy a house with them and get engaged. Then they were poly. Then lesbian. Then I finally left. Now last I checked he is a trans man living with his "lesbian" girlfriend. I get that it takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:43 PM
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Not a bad idea - you'll meet more people who better align with your values outside the bar scene - especially if you want a more traditional man. Just keep working at it and keep your hopes up. And be proactive! A lot of men these days don't feel comfortable making the first move as it feels invasive and impolite (but once they know that you're interested they'll take the lead) - so really do put yourself out there, especially in the right environment. You're absolutely an attractive person but …
/r/RedPillWomen05/12/23 06:22 PM
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Absolutely not. I mean, I wish it were, but modern discourse around men is getting worse and worse. The dominant progressive cultural paradigm constantly tears men down for being lazy, broke, sloppy, emotionally unintelligent pigs that are complicit in a patriarchal system of abuse. I say this as a self-identified progressive. The other, significantly smaller half of the discourse is a reactionary backlash against this that is deeply misogynistic and encourages the exact behaviors that many men …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:17 PM
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Not wanting to date someone because they have an untreated and unmanaged mental health problem is perfectly valid (and wise.) But assuming that all people who take medication for their mental health (you know: treating and managing their own wellness) are automatically undateable? Do I need to spell it out? You're entitled to your own preferences but that strikes me as pretty closed minded and judgemental.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:06 AM
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This post is utterly closed minded and hateful. It's medicine, not poison. Get over yourself. If people who need medication to function could function just as well by simply cleaning up their diet and working out don't you think they'd already be doing that? Shoot, most of them ARE doing that and it isn't enough because they have physically different brain chemistry from you. How dare you assume so little of people who are struggling so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:22 PM
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...And you honestly don't see that as problematic?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:15 PM
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This sounds like a great idea only if you fail to think about it for more than a minute or two. Yes, it would take the guess work out of whether or not a partner has been honest - but actually exposing that dishonesty through a mandatory system could be very harmful under certain circumstances. Consider the following: Woman is pressured into marrying a more powerful, controlling man They are trying to conceive Woman is raped by another man, keeps it a secret out of shame and fear for her own saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:51 PM
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The idea that women dress provocatively in order to get an attention boost is inaccurate and reductive. They dress sexily because it makes them feel good about themselves. They often do it just for the fun of it (kind of like a guy dressing up for a Renn Faire or something.) Doing so can also draw male attention that they want: the two aren't mutually exclusive. Compare it to men hitting the gym to lift: yes apart of it is looking more appealing but a big part is also just feeling good in your o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 08:37 PM
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Your argument seems to suggest that "good" women fail to receive the attention and support they desire from being "good," because men actually don't like women that are "good." That's not the problem. The problem is that the gendered submissiveness ingrained into your idea of "good" women results in women who are easy to take advantage of. The fact isn't that "all men dislike 'good' women because they don't treat them well." The fact is that "some men disproportionately mistreat 'good' women bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:11 PM
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You aren't wrong, but you're still overestimating where the "bar" for sexual harassment really is. In the past, to your point, sexual harassment had to be extremely blatant and physically violating to be considered valid. Now the term also encompasses rude, pushy men or catcallers. But you really need to be pushy, rude, or completely unable to read signals to push past the 'harassment' line, even today.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:36 PM

"Love is blind." Having seen the film that is a hilariously, painfully accurate assessment of it. Outstanding film. It really does a good job of observing and analyzing human partnership in a transactional framework, exposing precisely why it is so dangerous to treat it as transactional in the first place. Probably the most anti red pill movie I've seen, despite being predicated on circumstances that red pillers might tell cautionary tales of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:47 PM
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Most prefer slim to fat, but increasingly most men prefer thick to slim (thick meaning chubby in the hips, legs, rear, and bust, but still relatively narrow in the waist.) Thick with good proportions > Thin with good proportions > Thin > Fat with good proportions > Thick > Fat It all comes down to how she carries the weight. If she's a pear or hourglass yeah she'll pretty look good even if she's a little fat. If she's a apple shape slim is by FAR the most attractive look. But again: everything v…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:31 PM
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The problem isn't that it's "not difficult" to lose weight. The problem is that it's incredibly easy to GAIN weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:27 PM
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So...what kind of compliments would you want to hear from a man? If they're basic and superficial: they're fake. I can kinda get that. But if they're thoughtful and contextual they're all of a sudden gay? Or should all men just never compliment women or start conversations with women, basically, ever because they "can't be trusted?" What's your angle?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:34 PM
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I don't disagree with that. That's a verifiable fact. I know as well as you do that the data very clearly leads to that conclusion. It isn't up for debate. What IS up for debate is whether it is ethical to act misandrist towards men because a minority of them disproportionately target women for violence. I argue that it's unethical, as it follows the same line of thinking as a shopkeep being racist towards black people because that ethnicity commits disproportionately more petty crime than other…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:15 PM
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As someone with a background and degree in Sociology, the answer is simple: Men are seen as a powerful, privileged class of people. Have you ever heard the opinion that Black people cannot be racist towards White people? This phenomenon follows the same logic: namely that racism fundamentally involves leveraging institutional power and privilege to oppress or hate another, less privileged people group. Women calling out men for being trash or engaging in casual misandry is a consequence of the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:05 PM
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Approaching is easy as hell. The problem is that the success rate is low.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:00 PM
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We were all raised to believe that striking up conversation with the intent to flirt/ask out is sexual harassment. It isn't social anxiety, it's simply the social rules we were raised to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:59 PM
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It gets harder for both. Harder for women because they are now competing with 20-somethings in addition to similar aged peers. Harder for men because women's income/career requirements increase drastically across the board. In your 20s, as a man, you needed to show a bit of motivation and potential, and maybe work SOME sort of job and not live with your parents. As a man in your 30s you need a healthy 401K, savings, a good career with experience and momentum, and ideally a six figure salary. Bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:43 AM
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True. You need to: Earn six figures Be tall Not be fat Be fashionable Have a degree (preferably Masters or PHD) Be charming Not be neurodivergent Not be an "unattractive" minority
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:11 AM
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This is a great point, and it ladders up to some important points on economics as well. If you set aside factors such as charm and appearance financial success becomes BY FAR the most important variable in a woman choosing a man. Yes the world of dating apps lets women consider only the best looking men out of an extremely large sample set, but it just as crucially allows them to consider only the highest earners. With skyrocketing living costs in our late capitalist society being what they are,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:18 PM

Neither of those are bad things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 09:43 PM

Even worse, women have periods and in some of those days they may hate men even when they are perfectly fine otherwise. That's a pretty sexist thing to say, dude. I agree with your first point, but you can't let that anxiety dictate our actions or keep you from making approaches. I've been stuck in that trap before and it's terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:57 PM
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Interesting. My learnings are as follows: One could write an entire book on how to make yourself look more appealing and get more matches. But its impossible to build a profile that appeals to everyone. You can be the most attractive and wealthy urbanite in Brooklyn and you won't have much luck with country girls looking for a bearded, blue collar, traditional man, for example. Just focus on presenting the best, most authentic version of yourself. Texting chemistry doesn't always translate to in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:42 PM
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Literally America in the late 90s - specifically around a larger metro area but not necessarily in a big city: The era was largely liberal and socially progressive, which is great, but not so progressive that conversations and flirtation can become a minefield of accidentally offending someone. Lots of people go out to the mall or festivals or bars with the intention of approaching and being approached. People actually mingle and you weren't seen as weird for making an approach. Women were encou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:17 PM
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Yeah no. You definitely are told by popular consumer culture that you need to meet all of those qualifications - and that's pretty messed up. But asking was men find attractive and what popular consumer culture SAYS you need to look like are two wildly different things. The majority of men do NOT expect their partners to meet all or even half of those qualifiers (and the small portion of men thay do are delusional.) A woman can be: Masculine and attractive. That kind of energy is sexy to tons of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 11:44 PM
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If by young you mean late 20s to late 30s sure. But any younger than that and you're basicaly talking about boys, not dateable, successful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:36 AM
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Younger men literally have nothing to offer. They're losers by virtue of their age: No career (no being "in college" doesn't count, you need to have a career before dating) No car Doesn't have his own place (lives with roommates: juvenile, or worse with his parents) No savings (and lots of student loans, or no degree - and you'd better have a degree if you want to date.) What kind of girl would want to date a guy like that? Women have nothing against young men. They have plenty against losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:33 AM
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But WHY? Why would a woman WANT to be someone's anchor? It doesn't benefit them in any way. Women are to be provided for: not to be providers. They are to be supported, no to be supportive The very fact of this dynamic is what makes women interested in commitment in the first place. Men, or course, enjoy being a provider for the right partner - but even if women did enjoy being supportive, it's not the same as for a woman. For a man to need to be in the receiving end is emasculating and immediat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:26 AM
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"They haven't" implies that there are no men who fit this description. Now you're backpedaling and stating that they're unlikely to exist. Let's talk about the ones who do exist. Where do they stand? And why? More importantly - there is something inherently problematic about the statement that a person isn't worthy of love unless they're constantly on the self improvement treadmill. Yes, that's an expectation that men are held to nowadays, but it isn't one that should be put on a pedestal. That'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:29 AM
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Only if you date shitty men. Your error is assuming that what makes a man shitty is whether or not he is rich enough to fund your lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:11 PM
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That a defense mechanism, bro. You think it's making you strong to avoid relationships where you "have to give a shit," but it's obvious that you're just terrified of being vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:08 PM

My counterargument is that you sound like an entitled little shit. So you have good grades? Big deal. So you're going to go into a lucrative field? Whatever: you don't even have the job yet, why are you putting yourself on a pedestal due to imaginary money that you MIGHT earn someday if you finish your degree, manage to land a job (very hard) and avoid getting fired (very common for fresh grads.) It's funny how you criticize older women for being "more demanding." Do you not see the hypocrisy he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:07 PM
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If you aren't born (relatively) wealthy or have a heavy dose of luck, most men cannot be "traditional" in the sense that they financially provide for all of a woman's needs. I would LOVE to be the provider...if it made economic sense. I've done everything "right:" I graduated from University and built skill sets I worked multiple jobs in college to keep my head above water I earned nearly $50K in scholarships I climbed the corporate ladder, moving and job hopping frequently to further my career …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:58 PM
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I agree, by and large. The best long term relationships were with people of similar intelligence to my own. The last girl I dated long term was incredibly intelligent. Ex-Philosophy professor at a prestigious university, tested into MENSA, read hundreds of books per year. I could keep up most of the time (I'm college educated, with some grad school, and am better read than most) but certainly not all of the time. Over the months and years a soft power imbalance arose. It caused real tension desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:21 PM
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Yeah now you're just arguing in bad faith. I agree with you on most of the points of your post but "they haven't" is a complete non-answer to that criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:14 PM
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I appreciate the feedback but this advice just flies in the face of what I was brought up to believe. The notion that women already know my intentions would make the whole prospect even more untenable. It's almost as if you're implying that I SHOULD lead with those intentions, rather than shielding women from them in favor of better manners. As men, we have a moral obligation to ensure that women around us feel safe, even if it hamstrings our ability to aggressively chase women. Which is for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:33 AM
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As a man, none of this feels particularly irrational. Yes men can cry "not all men," (in fact in reality it's very few men that are creeps) but that's beside the point. It's still "SOME men," and women can't tell at glance which men are the creeps. Chances are low, but they're non-zero. Ergo it's safest to assume the worst in all men until they prove themselves otherwise. I assume most women in the dating/social sphere have the same opinions and expectations of men that you expressed here, irrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 03:44 AM
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As a man, raised by a combination of Catholic school and progressive feminist parents (odd combo) managing women's innate distrust and fear of men has defined my dating life for nearly 20 years. Since I was a kid, really. Don't approach women you don't know in public. Ever. No matter how polite or well intentioned you are: that's harassment. Flirtatious banter is only permissable if the woman initiates, if the man initiates its predatory Never make sexual advances unless you KNOW the woman wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:45 AM
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Not particularly. There has definitely been a downtick due to the rise of OnlyFans as a side hustle and sugar dating. But it's been accompanied by an uptick as more women are going to college and earning better salaries, which is a big point in their favor. There's a massive shortage of marriageable MEN though. Men aren't graduating college and when they are they aren't making nearly enough money. Granted that's more a systemic issue. Mental health issues in men are also skyrocketing, which are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:14 AM
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It's a defense mechanism for low value men (and I'm saying this as a man.) If these guys were marriage material they wouldn't single bachelors.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:46 AM
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I'm not going to apologize for being a creep FTFY Guys like you are the reason why women are abandoning the dating market. Even if you're "polite" you're still violating their personal space and time. Women in general don't like being approached, regardless of how attractive or polite the guy is, expressions of sexual interest from strangers are unwanted by most women because it makes them feel unsafe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:42 AM
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It's not about ego, though. At least not for me. It's about feeling like a creep. Not even if they call me "creepy," to me, cold approaching is categorically creepy. It strikes me as presumptuous and skeezy to cold approach women. Like...it's so obvious that cold approaching is about wanting to hook up with a girl. Even when done in a "polite" manner it still edges dangerously close to harassment. You only need to spend 10 minutes online reading about dating to learn that women do not want to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:37 AM
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Not RP at and the very notion of a woman "aging out of her prime at 25" is ludicrous at best and harmful at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:26 AM
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Person #2, assuming they're a 5. If their personality is as attractive and we have an amazing time, their so-so body will be attractive to me, too. If they were more of a 3, it'd be a harder sell. But a middle of the road average girl who is otherwise an amazing match beats out a super hot girl that I only kind of get along with or share interests with - every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:55 PM
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They racking up more experience, more bodies, more fun then most young men will ever have in there lives. This smells of jealousy and bitterness. Just because you imagine that women "have more fun" and "experiences" in their life, you're given free reign to approach dating from a manipulative, transactional mindset? That you don't need to care for or respect women because you're butthurt at the idea that they get "easy sex" and you don't? Go outside. Touch grass. And work on your grammar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 05:35 PM
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As someone who works in the social sciences: qualitative data is enormously important. Without sharing, analyzing, and considering individual experiences, any numbers you might associate with them become meaningless. Numbers are important, sure, but an over reliance on them is tremendously reductive and results in a weaker discourse overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 05:14 PM
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You're allowed to find joy in something and still be annoyed by the fact that you're societally obligated to engage with it. They aren't hypocrites: they're just (reasonably) upset that they can't CHOOSE to opt out without raising eyebrows or attracting criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:08 PM
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Amen to that!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 01:51 PM
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You raise some good points but, bro: you're only 31. That's pretty young. You still have at least a full decade to find a woman who is compatible with you and wants to settle down. My dad was 48 when I was born. Mom was 45. No complications or irregularities. Yes fertility and birth defects become a little more common but they're still very rare. The real problem is that women just don't want to be approached by men, yet refuse to approach men themselves. The only real solution is to ignore that…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:12 PM
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"The numbers don't matter if you look at different numbers."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:42 PM

This is the stupidest garbage I've heard in a long time. Steadfast fascist power grabbing with the naked goal of forcefully imposing "traditional values" on autonomous adults making critical decisions. All dressed up in pretty language and tucked next to a bible. You cannot legislate, codify, or otherwise centrally control the sexual behaviors of individuals, no matter how hard you thump your Bible on the value of "traditional marriage." And I have nothing against traditional marriage! I'm all f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:05 PM
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Not everyone wants a boring, sheltered, demure tradwife, my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:03 PM
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Obvious conservative bias in this post. Lots of men are attracted to ink, piercings, short or colored hair, and loathe conservatism. These aren't exactly outliers, and failing to fit some tradwife Fox News ideal doesn't preclude women from long term dating viability.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:03 PM
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So, if a guy approaches a girl at a bar or party or social function where conversations are expected to occur - that's ok? Even if she doesn't know him? This is assuming the guy isn't pushy or weird. Or is it categorically creepy unless he already knows her?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:46 PM
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Not entirely sure if this post is serious. On the one hand, I agree with you that most men are laughably bad at social media, selfies, and profile optimization. On the other hand...it's just categorically "wrong" for men to try and strike up conversations with women out in the real world now? What about the men who simply don't like using social media? Why would women put so much effort into their appearance before going out just to hope and pray that none of the dudes out there in the real worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:58 AM
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This is delusional and hilariously wrong. It doesn't matter how handsome a guy is, if he isn't putting himself out there, he'll be just as lonely as a plain faced shut in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 05:36 AM
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Because leftist women aren't willing to settle for less than what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:31 AM
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I'd wager that conservatives are more likely to have their personal goals met, but are also more likely to have less ambitious goals (partner doesn't need to have a degree, doesn't need to financially contribute to as high a standard of living, doesn't need to be as experienced in the bedroom). Liberal men are... well...more liberal. They seek and value diversity in experiences and that aligns much more neatly with dating success and promiscuity than conservatism. But in terms of relationship su…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:25 AM
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Where are you getting this stuff? Like I said: its how I was raised. My parents are both highly educated liberal progressives - but I also went to a private Catholic school for elementary. The lessons were pretty clear: Always be a gentleman Never ever make a girl feel unsafe Approaching girls you don't know makes them feel unsafe - ergo gentlemen should never initiate The real thrust of it is that masculine sexuality is inherently predatory: good men never expose others to it. Regardless of how…
/r/RedPillWomen21/02/23 12:43 AM
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That's definitely a factor. Reading those signs is something that a lot of men can and should improve on.
/r/RedPillWomen18/02/23 03:12 PM
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As a millennial man (hope you don't that I weigh in): it all has to do with *implied consent." It's creepy and uncomfortable for men to approach women they don't know. Not just creepy and uncomfortable if a man gets too pushy or does it somewhere unexpected. It's creepy and uncomfortable categorically. It makes women feel unsafe (rather, that's what I was raised to believe). And the worst thing a good man can do is make a woman feel unsafe. Very little of it has to do with a fear of rejection, i…
/r/RedPillWomen18/02/23 04:46 AM
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As a millennial man: you hit the nail on the head.
/r/RedPillWomen18/02/23 04:37 AM
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Don't get bitter: get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 10:29 PM
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It isn't the risk of somebody else apprehending or reprimanding you for harassing a woman by approaching her. It's that (most) men who don't approach, above all, don't want to make women feel unsafe by being approached by a stranger, so they don't approach categorically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 10:38 PM
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Most men who stare at women they like essentially are trying to signal that they want you to approach them, or are trying to get you to say hi. They aren't going to be rude or make you feel unsafe by approaching you out of nowhere. So that's pretty much as far as a guy can take it without broaching on harassment (i.e. approached by a stranger) territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 10:33 PM
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Attractiveness has surprisingly little to do with it. Approaching women you don't know is rude at best and harassment at worst. Modern men don't approach categorically due to this. Honestly the MORE attractive women are even less likely to be approached because men assume that all they ever do is get bothered by men they don't know and don't want to ruin their day. If you like a guy: approach him. Feminism and social media have rewritten the rules: men aren't going to approach you because it's f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 10:30 PM

FWIW I'm a successful, socially skilled, very tall, fit handsome man (consistently rated a 9 or 10 on /r/rateme) and it can be a real struggle for me get relationships. Women very (very) occasionally approach me (once a year or less) - but there are no socially appropriate venues for me to approach them. Perhaps a club (too loud to even talk) but that's about it. And I hate clubbing. In 2023 it is essentially sexual harassment to approach a woman you don't know in public - at a coffee shop, book…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:07 AM
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If anything that version of Momoa is benching more weight than ever, since he has a healthy amount of body fat to fuel heavy lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 06:38 AM
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If you don't want to treat your partner like a 10 you shouldn't be dating them (or in general) in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 06:25 AM
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I think you're letting the pervasive negativity of the online dating sphere get to your head, which is all the more potent given your relative lack of experience. Many men suck. But most men don't. And the nature of the internet dictates that you'll hear people vent more about the ones that suck than praise the ones that are kind, considerate, a good catch, etc. It's just the nature of discourse. At the end of the day: we're all just people. Yes you should vet guys, yes you should pay attention …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:20 PM

Virgins are less sexually appealing than experienced girls. Who wants to have sex with someone who doesn't know how to do it well? Ascribing sexual value to someone due to perceived "purity" is utter bullshit and should be regarded as such. Furthermore: the importance of body count is blown WAY out of proportion. There is such a thing as a number that's too high, but that number is in the dozens (assuming the girl in question is a fully independent adult: not a teen or college student).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:35 AM

The most attractive woman I've ever dated was 34, and among the nearly two dozen of them: it's not even close. Crucially, this wasn't in spite of her age. She wasn't passing for 20. She was in the cusp of middle age and you could tell: she had faint crows feet that crinkled when she laughed, and noticeable streaks of silver in her hair that shimmered in the sun. She was half a decade older than me at the time. She was, in a word: gorgeous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:31 AM
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No... that's pretty much how it works my dude. Real life isn't a Hallmark movie, to your point, because what I just outlined doesn't have a perfect (or even particularly high) success rate. But it DOES work. It's a numbers game, man. Don't over strategize. Just be honest and confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 10:41 PM
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If you're playing that game at all: you've already lost. If you need to "convince" her to like you, rather just rolling the dice and seeing if she likes you on a one off date, then you shouldn't be asking for her number in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 10:11 PM
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It's hard to see that from the lived perspective of a man. It's a comparison between hard earned value, or value that - while granted by default - is a total facade. Value that commodifies you rather than distinguishes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 09:50 PM
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Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 09:49 PM
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I feel like - and this is just me speaking of the cuff - women are more open to the idea of dating someone who is neurodivergent than men. But men seem to have a better tolerance for actually managing a relationship with a neurodivergent person - if they find themselves partnered with one - than women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 08:14 PM
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I'd upvote this a hundred times if I could. As a neurodivergent person dating has been...difficult. I'm bipolar and have an anxiety disorder as well. I manage it well and am perfectly high functioning...but you can tell on dates where their interest falls to 0 when you finally disclose your diagnosis. Even if they try to save face and act sympathetic. You can see it on their face: plain as day. Then, maybe you might get in a relationship with someone, if you play your cards right. All it takes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 05:08 PM
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100% correct. I was very fat and unattractive growing up and later became very good looking. The rateme sub rated me a 9/10. But inside I am constantly second guessing myself the same way I did in high school. In my formative years I had no such positive reinforcement. Meaning that in club/mingling/flirtatious/party environments I immediately shut down and am unable to strike up conversations with other people...thinking them very attractive while myself really weird for finding them good lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 06:43 AM
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At 20? More than 5 partners. At 25? More than 12 partners. At 30? More than 25 partners. 35+? The number is no longer relevant. I'm more liberal than most users on this sub, though. Shit really speeds up in college and early young professional years. Hookups and short term relationships become more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:13 PM
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There is literally nothing wrong with stockpiling sexual partners, as long as consent and protection are consistent. Judging others for being sexually active because you, for whatever reason, aren't? Very mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:11 PM
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The majority of grown men (in their 30s+) do not care how many partners their partner has had. And they certainly don't "settle" for "used goods" because they're "wimps that can't do any better." For mature adults selecting a partner to settle down with promiscuity literally is a non factor for most people. It's the kind of shit only teenagers obsess over.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:39 AM
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It isn't fair at all. Left wing politicians have been pushing for change here for over a decade but it hasn't quite gotten mainstream traction yet. The US is still reeling from the deindustrialization of the 90s and recession of the 00s - meaning that ANY policy that can be spun to "hurt business" or "cause layoffs" is met with immediate scorn and ridicule. But the people who blame women for "not being grateful" seem to operate under the assumption that women stay home with the children long ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 03:09 PM
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If I get it correctly, women in the US don't have a proper paid maternity leave, do they? In Russia we have a year and a half of paid leave and two more unpaid years with saving their workplace if one still wishes to stay at home. 12 weeks comparing to it don't look good. To be honest, if you get 12 weeks of paid maternity leave in the US, you are lucky as hell. More common is 12 weeks unpaid. But even more common is that you get nothing: as this applies to the majority of jobs in America. Why? …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/21 07:37 PM
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Hey, wanted to let you know that I did exactly what you suggested. It went amazingly well! We're getting dinner next week - thanks a ton for the simple, but impactful advice!
/r/seduction09/11/17 03:50 PM
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Gotcha. Thanks a lot for the advice.
/r/seduction08/11/17 06:29 PM
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Cool. Any tips on flirty conversation? Regular banter? I'm not awful, but I'm usually a bit reserved about being too forward, conversationally. Physical flirtation is pretty strong, though.
/r/seduction08/11/17 06:29 PM
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This is fantastic advice... So you find out as you test her personal space and physically escalate. You DON'T do this through conversation. Plus, most girls will draw the line for you, whether or not the other guy is right there, if you simply carry on as if you would normally. You don't stop a damn thing just because some guy MIGHT be a boyfriend. She's a big girl. She'll draw lines if you're not welcome. I'll keep these in mind. It's that you aren't even trying to gather information about the …
/r/seduction08/11/17 06:28 PM
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I suppose I was more asking for encouragement and how to get over my old mindset - it's the mindset (thinking I'm still that fat ugly weird butterball when I'm actually quite successful and attractive) that I could really use help with to push me over. The actual techniques aren't all that confusing to me, they make sense, mostly, but some motivational mantras or something along those lines, that's what I'm looking for.
/r/seduction06/10/17 02:26 PM
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At first I thought this was a troll response. Now I get it. Thank you - that's just what I needed to hear.
/r/seduction06/10/17 04:33 AM
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