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Outer Game Club__Paradise/r/seduction19/10/25 09:22 AM
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Inner Game Club__Paradise/r/seduction29/03/25 09:41 AM
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Haha that makes a lot of sense, thanks man. I'll apply that if I'm in that situation again
/r/seduction21/10/25 02:01 AM
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I'm not talking about trying to change her mind, if I know she's not going to be the one, then I won't bother, but I'm talking about initially, before I've gotten to the point of trying to leave with her.
/r/seduction20/10/25 12:55 PM
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Thanks, I'll keep this in mind. But what if we've already kissed etc, won't it look shitty if I then hop over to another set and she sees me talking to other girls?
/r/seduction19/10/25 11:04 PM
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Damn, yeah. That is true, it's really hit or miss with night game. All the best with it, interested to hear how you get on.
/r/seduction19/10/25 11:00 PM
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This is excellent advice, thanks. How would you deal with her friends trying to drag her back to the dancefloor? I normally approach on the dancefloor and then take her to sit down somewhere we can connect more easily. Thing is her friends will then come up to us and want to dance again and next minute the girl is leading me back to the dancefloor. Should I be more assertive and just say no and potentially risk her going without me?
/r/seduction19/10/25 10:56 PM
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Thanks, this is definitely something I'll keep in mind. I suppose I've been falling into the trap of getting caught up in the moment and losing focus on the end goal. If all is going well, what would you consider an appropriate amount of time before trying to get her to leave with you?
/r/seduction19/10/25 12:09 PM
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It probably depends on where you live, I live in a multicultural area and I haven't observed non-white guys having any difficulty, it's more down to the individual's level of grooming and appearance.
/r/seduction19/10/25 09:26 AM
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If he's interrupting then that's rude, but ultimately it's her choice whether she wants to engage with him or not. All you can do is make sure your conversation is good enough with her that she doesn't want to engage with him and instead her focus is on you.
/r/seduction19/10/25 09:24 AM
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I don't think it has anything to do with your ethnicity. It's more likely related to your presentation or how you're going about these approaches. You could just be unlucky, but getting repeated harsh blowouts would indicate maybe something is going on in your approach. But it's hard to say without being in the field with you.
/r/seduction19/10/25 09:00 AM
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Exactly
/r/seduction26/09/25 01:17 AM
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Well if she's on the fence then she's not ready to be your girlfriend. If she has decided she wants to be your girlfriend then you should sure hope that she loves you. Girls are the gatekeepers for casual sex, guys are the gatekeepers for relationships. This is how it works in most scenarios. I've met far more girls that are more committed to their relationships than I have guys. I honestly feel sorry for any guys out there who feel like it's a chore or a struggle to manage to keep their girlfri…
/r/seduction15/04/25 02:50 AM
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Well then she was never your girlfriend. I mean seriously, falling for someone means you're falling in love with them. How on earth you could consider someone your girlfriend if she doesn't even love you is mind boggling.
/r/seduction14/04/25 09:40 PM
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I don't know what you're doing wrong or what type of "good ones" you're dating, but I find it the complete opposite. Managing to break away from being "just another guy" in a girl's mind to having her actually fall for you, should never, ever, be more easy than keeping a girl who's supposed to already be in love with you and be committed to you. You always have to be on your A game to get a girl to even notice you, let alone consider you over all the other guys and actually develop feelings for …
/r/seduction14/04/25 10:10 AM
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Really appreicate your advice here, thanks a lot!
/r/seduction30/03/25 08:50 AM
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This is really great stuff. Excellent to hear. I remember a wing I used to go out with when I was first starting out, I asked him what his goal for the night was. He said it was to get 20 rejections. It seemed crazy to set such a negative bar like that, but his mindset was absolutely spot on. By aiming for a negative, he killed off any outcome dependancy. He approaches a girl and gets rejected? Good, that's another one off the list. Realistically though he'd never succeed in his goal, he'd alway…
/r/seduction30/03/25 08:41 AM
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What u/Ok-funny-19 said. That's the only way you can guage it easily. But it's no big deal. Brush your teeth and use a mouth wash before going out. Avoid onions. Keep some gum or a mouth spray in your pocket. Freshen up after eating. You'll be sweet.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:44 PM
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There's no better feeling than being able to see a girl, be worrried about approaching her, worried about rejection, finally committing, talking to her and then realising "oh shit, this girl's actually into me". And even in the cases when she's not and you do get "rejected", you still leave with the confidence that you took action, a quality that is necessary for anyone who wants to be successful in life.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:38 PM
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Thanks man, yeah feeling like a bit of an outsider is probably a cause. Especially when going out, seeing all these friend groups and I'm always having to awkwardly insert myself in social situations. I've never been too keen on the idea of marriage either, especially with the way society is now.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:28 PM
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That definitely makes a lot of sense, I guess it's easier to deal with when you realise the logical reasons for it and how you can minimise it. Thanks man.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:26 PM
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Thank you, will do some further reading.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:25 PM
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Thanks, that definitely sounded like it would have been a rough time. Good to hear you managed to get over it. I think you definetly could be right there, every other day I'm just cruising. Not necessarily happy, but not sad either. Living on autopilot.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:24 PM
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Thanks, it has to be other external things causing it. I don't take drugs, but maybe drinking less alcohol and trying to leave earlier in the night so I'm not so tired may help.
/r/seduction29/03/25 11:23 PM
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It's just not how I operate, I don't want to think up an "excuse", it seems calculated and needy in my mind. I'd rather just keep it simple and ask if she wants to come back to mine, without feeling the need to give her a specific reason, especially if that reason is constructed to hide the fact I just want to bang. But hey, I'm not saying it doesn't work, if you feel better asking her in that way, you do you man.
/r/seduction29/03/25 03:34 AM
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Every time I've done it, it's felt like the right thing to ask at the time. It's not something you just ask out of nowhere, you definitely have to escalate up to it. I'm not a fan of the sneaky ways some guys go about it, all the "I just installed X cool thing in my living room, want to come back to mine and check it out?". You want sex, she knows you want sex, it's just unattractive if you try to hide it and pretend you want her back at your place for something different. I escalate from sittin…
/r/seduction29/03/25 12:11 AM
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Haha damn, all the PUA lingo takes me back. Last night I went sarging. I approached an HB7 to get into state, then ran some kino on an HB9 and I activated God Mode, she was giving me strong IOIs. All the chodes and AFCs in the bar were watching me. She then told me she was with her friends and as I looked to my left, her AMOG boyfriend came towards us. "Is this guy bothering you?" he said. I knew I had to act fast, so I turned towards her and went in for the K close but her boyfriend punched me …
/r/seduction28/03/25 11:46 PM
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I just turn it back on her if she asks questions like those. I used to just give an obviously fake exaggerated answer, but I find it more powerful to deflect back to her. It'll put the pressure onto her and she'll have to think a bit more. E.g: “When’s the last time you had sex?” "Haha you're interested in my sex life are you?"
/r/seduction28/03/25 11:19 PM
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Very true. Personally, I've never been scared of rejection. I sometimes find rejection relieving, it means I can go back to concentrating on myself or meeting other women - no more time invested in someone not worth my time. Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly enjoy it and I'm sure if I got rejected all the time, it might feel a bit shit, but it means nothing to me. I am who I am. My past dating experience and relationships prove to me that there are girls out there who like me. But I'm not…
/r/seduction22/11/24 10:47 AM
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I hear girls saying what you're saying all the time and yet it rarely coincides with reality. The way a lot of guys act is a result of the way girls behave. Let's say I really really liked you and I knew that if I gave you more attention over text, you'd like me more. Do you honestly think I'd leave you on read then? I can't count how many times I've had a girl chase me and then start to pull back once I've given them more attention. Especially with girls that already have a lot of guys in their…
/r/seduction07/11/22 10:22 AM
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Text her something to remind her of the night. Here's the deal, unless you developed a strong connection with her at the club, your chances of something ongoing are slim. Clubs aren't real life, it's like a game. There's music, alcohol, people act completely differently to how they normally act. She wakes up the next moring tired, hung over, confused. She's not playing that game anymore and any memory she has of you is a blur. The only times I've texted club girls are when we've spent literally …
/r/seduction02/11/22 02:22 AM
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I struggle to imagine anonymous MRA anti-feminist op approaching. I struggle to imagine there are many Asian guys within this community who do subscribe to the "it's over" bullshit, this isn't an incel sub. Is it true that the media plays a role? Of course. However, most guys my age literally grew up watching SimplePickup. An Indian guy, a Vietnamese guy and a half Japanese/white American guy picking up. There was no whinging about race or using race as an excuse. People are obsessed with race i…
/r/seduction02/11/22 01:58 AM
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Say on Monday, you ask her out for coffee on Thursday, she says yes and then gives you a long response. Just acknowledge it briefly or don't respond at all. She knows you've just shown interest and asked her out/set up the date so it's ok to pull away a little bit. Then on Wednesday evening, flirt a little and confirm the time. "How does coffee at 5 tomorrow sound? You better not be a soy latte type of girl ;)"
/r/seduction01/11/22 10:51 PM
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People get caught up on this stuff. "I'm a lone wolf", "I'm a sigma male". In reality you're an introvert with no friends. Now I'm not saying that to hate, because hey, that basically describes me. But I'm not going to make it my entire personality. I appreciate my alone time, I focus on my personal goals and every now and then I go out at night and meet women. Some women find me interesting and we get on great, some women might not even notice I exist. C'est la vie.
/r/seduction01/11/22 11:47 AM
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Yeah for sure and that's a great analogy. Unfortunately a lot of guys with deep issues get into pickup. I know for me, it's hard to find a good wing nowadays because most of the guys I'm seeing from the community are fucking weird. Like if they weird me out, I can only imagine how women would think. I saw some guy walking around the club the other night like something out of WWE, looked like he wanted to kill someone. Whatever, just a random guy. Next minute he starts storming towards me and I'm…
/r/seduction01/11/22 11:32 AM
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What should you do? I'm sure you know the answer, it's quite easy - do nothing. If you're thinking of going for that double text. Don't man. The ball's in her court. We've all heard the tennis analogy before. "What are you up to today?" is not a good question to be asking a girl over text at this stage of talking. It's sucking energy rather than giving energy. She's either got to take time trying to explain her day or she's got to be boring and say "nothing much" - in which case she probably tho…
/r/seduction01/11/22 11:09 AM
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Texting in that early stage of knowing a girl is always going to be the riskiest time. When you're with her in person she can see you, her attention is solely on you, things don't get misinterpreted, if you say something slightly off you can instantly see her reaction and correct yourself, you can physically escalate, you can experience moments together etc. Texting takes 95% of the human connection away. It's just words on a screen. She can't see your face, she can misunderstand what you say, h…
/r/seduction01/11/22 11:01 AM
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I once went out with a guy who was caught up in one of these tiktoks in my city. He gave off snakey used car salesman type vibes, but he was pretty harmless. He'd been spam approaching with the same line and was coaching other guys to use that line as well, hence the girls on tiktok talking about it. Different people have different types of game. As long as there's no malice or harm and they have good intentions, I'm fine with it. I don't particularly like cold approaching so these things don't …
/r/seduction01/11/22 05:04 AM
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You've given her a chance with you that she's turned down, she's made no attempt to resechedule (clearly showing she doesn't value your "chance") and yet you're prepared to still give her another chance if she decides to come back and tell you when she's free. If you think you're the one holding the power and value in this situation then I salute your mental gymnastics.
/r/seduction31/10/22 03:22 AM
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A quick look at your post history reveals that you haven't been laid in 6 years, and yet you want to come onto a seduction community and expect people to listen to you? Look, I could laugh. I could hate. But I'm not going to. I feel sorry for you. You're not writing this from a position of sincerity. You're writing this out of resentment. Ok, you've given up. Things haven't gone your way, you're tired and you've decided to take the easy way out. You've decided you don't have "it" (whatever that …
/r/seduction31/10/22 02:44 AM
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Saying that gives her the power. Basically she's busy, she's in demand, she can't possibly make an arrangment with you now - But that's cool, you'll just sit by waiting for her to "let you know" incase she has nothing better to do in the future and decides to give you a chance. But with that being said, if you don't think it's beta and you want to say it, go right ahead man. Do what resonates best with you as authenticity is key. I'm not interested in convincing people to act in a way that they …
/r/seduction31/10/22 12:42 AM
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What you're doing is fine. For me, I'll go a step further. If she says she's busy and doesn't attempt to reschedule, I wont respond at all. Saying "no problem" to her is polite. But if we're talking purely in terms of power and value, come at it from the perspective that you're giving her the opportunity to hang out with you and if she's not on your wavelength, she moves way down on your priority list to the point that you don't message her, it's like she suddenly vanishes. For me I set this up …
/r/seduction30/10/22 11:59 PM
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If they literally ignore you, it's not worth it to continue. You can only lead if they're willing to be lead. I was at a club the other night and these guys were standing at the entrance, awkwardly tapping girls on the shoulder as they came in, saying awkward lines, getting ignored. It was just sad really. A positive conversation would be you opening and her stopping, smiling, looking at you and responding. You then have a mutual exchange from there.
/r/seduction30/10/22 11:00 PM
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Escalation is effortless when it's mutual. You start off light and see how she's feeling you. It's not too difficult to tell if she's into you or not. If you move in closer and she stays where she is or better, moves in closer herself - she's comfortable with you and wants you. It's so easy to escalate from this point and you're taking the lead by doing so, thus retaining power. I've been rejected from kisses before, still retained power. The girl was obviously into me in these situations but ju…
/r/seduction30/10/22 10:36 AM
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Yes, absolutely shoot your shot. If you're waiting for an IoI eye contact is the best you're going to get in most situations.
/r/seduction30/10/22 10:13 AM
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It can be hard. You'll see groups of people having fun and you'll feel like an outsider and a loner. You'll then feel like you can't game because you don't belong. You've got to stamp these feelings out. You've got to force yourself to talk to anyone and everyone there. Crowded places are usually better, you'll blend in more. Later in the night is better, people tend to get separated from their friend groups by this time anyway. Depending where you live there could be venues where guys go to gam…
/r/seduction30/10/22 07:09 AM
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Game on your own then. Just have fun when you're with your friends. It doesn't hurt to change it up anyway.
/r/seduction30/10/22 06:57 AM
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Maybe give an example. If you open and it goes nowhere beyond that, I wouldn't usually return. I normally only return if we've had a positive conversation.
/r/seduction30/10/22 06:55 AM
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You're overthinking it imo. Putting her hair down can mean she's more relaxed but this really isn't an indication of interest or lack thereof.
/r/seduction30/10/22 06:53 AM
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Force yourself to go out. Channel that loneliness into something positive rather than something negative. Go out, listen to some music and exercise.
/r/seduction30/10/22 06:51 AM
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- He didn't say to focus on your passions when talking to women. Your main driving force in life should be your passions, rather than women. That doesn't mean you can't focus on the woman and let her talk about herself when you're talking to her. - He never said don't approach until you're in shape and he clearly said you don't have to be jacked so I don't know why you've put "V-shape" in quotes. He simply said maintaining your physical appearance will give you confidence. - Where on earth did h…
/r/seduction30/10/22 04:17 AM
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Then go for safe approaches. Talk to them as a friend and ask if they want to hang out. They don't know whether you're asking them out as a friend or as something more, therefore it's less awkward. From there you can guage their interest in a controlled manner. It doesn't have to be like a cold approach where you basically reveal your sexual interest and ask them out.
/r/seduction30/10/22 03:59 AM
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If that's her last message to you, don't respond to it. You're definitely putting in more effort than she is. At this point it's time for you to pull back and give her the opportunity to chase. I'm not going to say that she's not interested. But when they don't make an attempt to reschedule if they can't hang out with you and they don't roughly match your reply length - it's not a great sign. Honestly bro, a lot of girls will just text you for non-sexual attention. It's good that you're analyzin…
/r/seduction30/10/22 03:23 AM
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It absolutely is true. Statistically look up the number of people who are offering coaching services and see how cost effective and beneficial they actually are. I've gamed with guys who are experienced enough to coach, but are happy to pass on knowledge for free and I've gamed with coaches. I don't see the point in paying. If you want to pay thousands and you think it's benefitted you, excellent. I never said all coaches are a waste of time for everyone. I'm not OP and I'm not being a cheapskat…
/r/seduction30/10/22 03:14 AM
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Style is entirely personal and it should reflect you. The types of venues you go to should also reflect you. I always wear chinos and a dress shirt or polo. Sports coat in the colder months. Leather sneakers etc. This is smart enough to get me into the higher end venues, but I can easily go to the more casual venues too. For a more casual venue, I can roll up the sleeves, pop the collar (some may say douchey but don't care). At my age (mid twenties) I keep my shirt tucked in with a nice belt. Sh…
/r/seduction30/10/22 02:58 AM
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Shit nights dude, these happen. This is part of the game. It's why it's so addictive. You can go out and you really won't know what to expect. Some nights I'll go out and I'll be radiating energy, have girls eyeing me, end up pulling and I'll feel great. Then I'll have nights much like the one you descirbed here, where I feel shit, outclassed, like a loner and wanting to go home. Howevever, I'm starting to notice a predictable cycle with me. A great night is always followed by a shit night. Alwa…
/r/seduction30/10/22 02:15 AM
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Good on you, that's the mindset man. All the best.
/r/seduction30/10/22 01:43 AM
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Don't take a girl with you unless you're in a committed relationship or have bad oneitis, you'll see all the hot girls there and feel locked in. Go there and meet girls, if you watch someone like David Bond, this is his bread and butter. He'll go to a country, meet girls, get girlfriends, explore places with them etc.
/r/seduction30/10/22 01:07 AM
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Why do you need a list? I see a cute girl, I'll try and make eye contact and talk to her and see where it goes. There's not even any time or care to mentally put her on some "list".
/r/seduction30/10/22 12:37 AM
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The opposite I think. Women are more sexually free now than they've ever been. After lockdown was great, you had women who were desperate to get laid. If you want women who want to have fun, go out in the city at night and they'll be everywhere. However, with that being said, I have seen statistics that suggest that younger groups are more lonely and have less sex on average than other generations did at our age. So I'm not too sure.
/r/seduction30/10/22 12:35 AM
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For me I start off by making sure my tinder/bumble is on point. The app tends to give me a boost when I travel because I always get more likes when I first touch down in a new city. During the afternoon I'll try and set up some dates through that, if I get lucky with that all good. If not, I'll just go to some clubs in the area. Go in solo, I'm going to be honest, I'm not a pro at this, if I go around and see everyone is in tight groups with their friends, I feel like an outsider and it messes w…
/r/seduction30/10/22 12:30 AM
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How will they take advantage of you? Think of possible ways they might and make sure you're prepared for each one. But if you're confident and you have the knowledge you'll be fine. My first relationship, the girl had no idea it was my first until months down the line when we got into a fight because she thought I didn't love her so I decided to show some vulnerability and tell her she was my first.
/r/seduction30/10/22 12:22 AM
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Dude, that's a strong opener. Nice. You call it half-assed but if you compare it to what most guys are out here opening with, it's great. From a logistics standpoint this is where you'd really want to get a wing in to distract the friend. If the friend is feeling that you're vibing with her friend more than her, she's going to start to feel left out and jealous, so this is where the cockblocking antics start to come in. She'll try and pit her friend against you. If you're in a night game environ…
/r/seduction30/10/22 12:18 AM
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The would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that most "professional dating coaches" are snake oil salesmen who massively overcharge for their services.
/r/seduction29/10/22 11:48 PM
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I remember when I first went to clubs I'd be scanning the whole time, looking for girls, looking for IoIs etc. Girls would make eye contact with me and I'd notice and then immediately look away and continue looking all around in every direction. In the end I probably looked completely lost and/or high lol. Here's what I do now. Breathe, relax, slow it down. I'll do a calm and slow scan of the environment. When a girl makes eye contact with me, I'll hold it for a few seconds. I'll then look eithe…
/r/seduction29/10/22 11:37 PM
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I'd avoid saying you're getting out of your comfort zone. Yeah it shows vulnerability, but that's not necessarily something you want to do in a night game environment. It's easier just to say you're going solo.
/r/seduction29/10/22 10:40 AM
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The only guys who do well with online dating are guys who are male model tier in terms of attractiveness. For every other guy it's going to be a slow grind and a waste of time. It's still possible to have success, but you have to be prepared to waste your time for sure. Even the top tier guys will get their time wasted, just not to the same degree.
/r/seduction29/10/22 10:38 AM
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I think your biggest issue is the fact you even need to ask this. The way you described yourself, I hope you realise you'll be considered unattractive in the dating market with what you mentioned. Show some ambition, stop being lazy, get your body in shape, work on your social skills, get out the camera and start shooting some cool shit. This will all increase your value. And other than that, forget about your value. It's irrelevant. In my case I'm confident and I have reasons to be confident wh…
/r/seduction29/10/22 06:02 AM
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Dude, who told you that the only place you can have sex is at your place? Or her place? I lost my virginity at the beach on a Summer's night. After that I used to do it in the back of my car. Sometimes I'd get a hotel every now and then. A guy I used to game with would take girl's up to this fancy high rise restaurant and they'd do it in the toilet overlooking the city. Doing it in more unconventional places can actually excite the girl, it adds risk, the risk of being caught. The moment she goe…
/r/seduction29/10/22 05:47 AM
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Yeah in that case you're going to have to get their attention somehow, perhaps by tapping them on the shoulder and introducing yourself, see how they react. Other than that there's not a whole lot you can do.
/r/seduction22/10/22 07:49 AM
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I didn't present girls as the enemy, everything's mutual with me. I'm not going to respect someone who doesn't respect me.
/r/seduction21/10/22 11:48 PM
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Don't try to impress her Amuse yourself ​ Just comment random shit from their profile man and have fun. For example a girl was holding a bow and arrow in one of her photos, I messaged her "Lookout, she's armed and dangerous". From that point on we just had a flirty role play going on. Balance it out, but definitely avoid being too serious or having dry conversations. If she asks "how are you?", the literal worst thing you can do is to respond literally. This isn't Jeff at work at 9am on a Monday…
/r/seduction21/10/22 11:40 PM
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Reminds me of this video haha www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8zwIphm5r4 ​ Girls come to clubs for different things. Some girls are just there to drink and dance with their friends, they may have boyfriends. Some are there just to get cheap attention from guys but have no interest in engaging. Some are there to hookup. This is why Richard La Ruina talked about high fiving every girl in the club, it's a simple and easy way of working out which girls will most likely be open to you. If they're huddled in…
/r/seduction21/10/22 11:20 PM
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Dance floor game isn't so much about talking, lean in close to her ear so you can hear a few basic words and then focus on eye contact and kino.
/r/seduction21/10/22 11:13 PM
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I know some people are discounting this, but I'm the same as you. I'm going to try and answer this carefully because it's easy to come across as arrogant or bragging when talking about this. When you have girls approaching you, wanting to hook up etc. It naturally inflates your ego, it feels good. So then you're afraid that your ego will start to crumble if you start approaching girls for yourself and they reject you. Throw your ego out the door. Rejection is normal, we all go through it. Some g…
/r/seduction21/10/22 11:06 PM
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Why do you think we feel we're more slick than we are? I'm sure a guy who gets rejected all the time wouldn't feel this way. I try not to get too caught up on my own self worth, especially because I get so many mixed signals. The same women that tell me how hot I am when I meet them will ghost me later. It puts me in this state of limbo and I'm like fuck it, my value is irrelevant.
/r/seduction21/10/22 10:48 PM
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Yeah man, I do see where you're coming from. Unfortunately the girls I'm used to like me more the less I give them. They chase me and then act weird if the dynamic shifts. It would be cool if I could operate like you do, put my interests first and not care what they think.
/r/seduction21/10/22 10:08 PM
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But it is needy if you're asking a girl out who has ignored you. There's no chase for her in that. If she doesn't respond to your message it's usually because she's unsure and needs space, you then send her another message asking her out and it just loads a lot more pressure on her, pushing her away further. It also signals that you don't have a lot of options and even if she disrespects you by not responding, you'll still be open and available to give her your time, which shows that you don't r…
/r/seduction21/10/22 09:47 PM
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Well they can leave then. As guys we have had to put up with a whole line of reasons why she wants to wait before having sex with us, but all she has to do is make herself available to have sex and if we don't instantly take her up on it, she's gone. If that's the case then I'm not going to play that game, I'll leave as well.
/r/seduction21/10/22 09:28 PM
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Getting back to her a week after she hasn't responded to your last text is definitely a good way to show desperation, lol.
/r/seduction21/10/22 09:24 PM
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If you listen to your instincts, would you stop talking to her or just say less? I get my instincts but then I usually just go, hey, I'll keep talking, see what happens and of course I get bitten every time.
/r/seduction21/10/22 09:20 PM
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This man this, she thinks you're a player on the first night and she wants to have sex with you, the next day it's the player vibes that send her packing. I'm not a player, I was just giving you what you wanted at the time. Had I made myself emotionally available and been more serious, you would've gotten bored.
/r/seduction21/10/22 09:17 PM
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I don't think anyone is making excuses. I know in my case, it's not that I haven't seen the text, I just don't have the mental energy to respond to it. I overthink when I text and I try to text her the best thing possible at the time, this distracts me so if I'm busy with work or other life things going on, I won't bother responding until I've got time. It's why I hate texting. In person you can talk freely, you can see eachother's face and emotions and there's far lower chance that things will …
/r/seduction21/10/22 09:08 PM
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Doing this would make the guy appear very needy and low value in her eyes. If he doesn't care what she thinks of him and wants 100% certainty that she's no longer interested, he could do it, but I don't see the point. If she can't even get back to him, why would he want to hangout with her again anyway?
/r/seduction21/10/22 08:49 PM
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Either letting you down nicely or they value your presence but they're not attracted to you. One or the other I would assume.
/r/seduction21/10/22 12:38 PM
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I've had enough women compliment me in the past in order to be unfazed if a random woman insults me. I try not to care, some women find me attractive, I'm sure some don't like me. It is what it is. But I'm no care free Chad who doesn't give a f*ck. If every woman I approached started to treat me negatively I'm sure it wouldn't take long for my confidence to take a hit and I'd probably stop going out.
/r/seduction21/10/22 12:33 PM
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How you come you say you became good looking and now you're "ugly"? Some guys run the whole "persistance" thing, but I hate it. I'm not going to chase women or play into their 'hard to get' game. I'll initiate and show I'm interested and from there the interest has to be mutual or I'm out. If a woman isn't interested and you keep persisting it's just bad game as far as I'm concerned. It shows that you're coming from a position of scarcity, that you're low value and that you're really into her. Y…
/r/seduction21/10/22 08:26 AM
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It's not inappropriate, but I strongly recommend you ask her in person when you're with her. You'll come across better if these things feel more natural rather than forced.
/r/seduction21/10/22 08:17 AM
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In person is always 100% better. From what you've said here I definitely think it's worth a shot. I can't imagine any bartender who would go to those lengths with everyone.
/r/seduction21/10/22 06:00 AM
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Yeah true that man, got to accept that fact and be prepared for it. Otherwise they can have us go from feeling on top of the world to nothing more than a speckle of dust within the space of 12 hours. Just the way it is I guess..
/r/seduction21/10/22 05:10 AM
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I don’t think you’re leaving in an amicable way like you said if you just disappear from her life randomly just because she’s not attracted to you. Doing that is way too extreme, you’re giving it more importance than you think and it seems resentful.
/r/seduction21/10/22 03:41 AM
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And it's a meme based on women traditionally generalizing men for only wanting sex, something for the whiteknight to consider.
/r/seduction21/10/22 03:31 AM
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I hate this whole "ick" thing, it's f*cking lame. It perfectly sums up the fickle nature that exists in today's society. The idea that someone could be attracted to you and interested in you and then suddenly you say or do some little thing and suddenly "ew, gross - I'm not into you anymore". Dude, drop the outcome dependency. I say this for myself as well because it happens to me too. We text a girl something and suddenly she goes distant or doesn't seem as interested as she was earlier...We th…
/r/seduction21/10/22 03:24 AM
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Thanks man
/r/seduction21/10/22 03:13 AM
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First kiss: 20 Lost virginity: 21 Main reason is because I was an introvert with little to no social life. I then started going out regularly and did exponentially more in one year than it took me 21 years to do. But yeah, I wouldn't really call it a success story, I didn't have to overcome much other than stepping out of my comfort zone and actually putting myself out there for once.
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:20 AM
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What does it matter? Everyone's different, everyone will have different experiences? Do you honestly need someone to tell you that it's possible for short guys to get laid? Because newsflash, they do, all the time. Yeah, I get you might be looking for an inspirational confidence boost, but really the best thing you can do is throw the idea of height completely out the window and just go in there and live in the moment.
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:16 AM
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I find it hard to believe this to be honest. Sure, depending on the crowd you hang around there will be girls who are only interested in hookups, but most will want to tie down an attractive guy, especially if they don't think a guy as attractive as you will come around again soon. I wouldn't call myself an objectively very good looking guy, I've had no problems converting girls who are attracted to me and want hookups into ongoing fwbs or relationships though. If you're more attractive than me …
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:11 AM
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Sure
/r/seduction18/10/22 10:24 PM
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Yeah, it's been said before, but a lot of women really do tend to ride off emotion. Things will be going great, you'll be building tension and escalation windows will open. Sometimes we miss those escalation windows and they may never open again. The moment passes, she no longer feels the same way and things move on. You can definitely learn things from it, like you said in your other comment, be more direct, don't be too nice, tease her, be playful, show disinterest when appropriate, make her c…
/r/seduction18/10/22 02:47 AM
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Saying the girls aren't hot enough is the most pathetic attempt chodes use to hide the fact they're too scared to approach. I don't want to appear racist or judgemental as I've gamed with a lot of Asian guys who have been great, but I've also noticed a few tend to have these toxic and negative mindsets. The worst guy I ever winged with was complainging the whole night, apparently the music was too loud, the girls were too slutty, there were too many white girls, his ears were ringing, he felt di…
/r/seduction18/10/22 02:38 AM
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I agree. If they're a good wing, their personal situation is irrelevant. I know a guy who lives out in the suburbs and drives an hour into the city just to game, I respect him for that. Sure he might be on minimum wage, but if he wants to use game to escape the reality of his life, why's that my problem? If girls happen to think he's low value later and leave him, that's his issue to work on, nothing to do with me. The fact is when he's gaming with me, he presents well, he's confident and he exc…
/r/seduction18/10/22 02:11 AM
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It's not very easy to help when your question is so vague. Give some examples of your convos and it'll be easier to point out areas where you can improve.
/r/seduction18/10/22 01:54 AM
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I think you're overthinking it dude. Playful teasing is flirting 101. The key is to tease, but to show interest in her at the same time so it balances it out. Now if you can tell that she took it the wrong way and was genuinely offended, sure, you can apologise for it and say you didn't mean any harm, but I doubt this will be the case. Girls are the opposite to us guys when it comes to height, they're more likely to be insecure about being too tall than they are about being short. Be careful not…
/r/seduction18/10/22 01:19 AM
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Definitely if casual hookups are your main game, you're going to want your own place. I'm not going to say it's mandatory, but it'll make things so much easier. When I first started out and was living with my parents, there was zero chance of bringing a girl back home at night. I'd just focus on makeouts, getting her number, working out the logistics later. I never bothered trying to push for anything more on the same night because I knew it would be too difficult unless she had her own place. T…
/r/seduction18/10/22 01:07 AM
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Wayback machine was the best I could manage, I downloaded a few of the old ones a while back. My favorite one was with the chode who was whining about him approaching women outside a club. Damn, good times..
/r/seduction17/10/22 09:51 PM
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What does this have to do with seduction?
/r/seduction17/10/22 09:47 PM
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That period between getting her number and texting her is like trying to make it over a steep canyon. You make a strong connection when you're with her and you'll be well equipped to make it across and get a response at the other side. If you rush the interaction, quickly go for the number before developing a connection and then bounce, it's like blindly jumping and hoping you'll make it. In many cases you won't. I know when I first started approaching, I was so nervous and worried I wouldn't kn…
/r/seduction17/10/22 08:25 AM
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I agree, but I'll also add that game is also about keeping a girl attracted and/or increasing her attraction. If they're flat out not attracted right from the start, it's obviously not worth it to try and change her opinion. However there are plenty of girls who will find a guy somewhat attractive and give him a chance before later losing their attraction if he's unable to excite them or make them feel a certain way...And it's game that allows a guy to be able to prevent this from happening in m…
/r/seduction16/10/22 09:30 AM
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In these situations, if in doubt, assume she's interested. Think of it like this, do you think a girl is really going to go to the effort of starting a conversation with a random guy who she has no interest in? Chances are she won't. Sometimes I've been tired at a club and spaced out, I've had girls come up to me and ask if I was sad. I've just brushed them off and told them I was tired. I assumed they were just being nice. That was until one of them then started making out with me and then aske…
/r/seduction16/10/22 09:17 AM
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I don't get what you mean when you say cold approaching doesn't suit your introverted personality, but then want to rely on social proof game - which means not only do you have to talk to the girl, but you've got to talk to countless other people in order to build your social foundation as well. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how much effort you put in to make yourself appear more approachable - you will always be heavily limiting your options if you wait for random girls to come to you…
/r/seduction18/09/22 12:00 AM
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Honestly, I think this level of thought is overthinking it. Are people generally more depressed on Mondays? Sure. But should that stop you if it feels right for you? Absolutely not. You should be going into the interaction with the idea that you're a high value guy who's going to show her a good time. If she happens to be depressed because it's a Monday, lucky for her, she's got you to take her mind off things. If a girl actually wants to go out with you, she'll make the effort, the day won't ma…
/r/seduction27/08/22 07:34 AM
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It happens man, I know it's annoying, just use it as motivation for next time. Don't let it happen again.
/r/seduction21/08/22 11:23 AM
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Haven't read it but will have to at some point, it's a legendary book in the pua scene for sure. Richard LaRuina was one of my favorite PUAs alongside HonestSignalz if you know him.
/r/seduction21/08/22 11:22 AM
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I see it at clubs every now and then, guys wearing hats with neon lights on them and stuff. Idk, to each their own. I think it makes them look like a joke, but if they can pull it off then good for them. I'd rather have a girl notice me for my style and presence rather than some flashing light on my head.
/r/seduction21/08/22 11:19 AM
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The ultimate goal of texting is to get her to see you in person. But that doesn't mean the only times you text her are to say "Hey, want to go out tomorrow evening?". It's dry, there's no emotion to it. Women feed off emotions. What you want to do is build interest and excitement over text, get her high on your energy and then ask her.
/r/seduction21/08/22 08:02 AM
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A few things to remember. Everyone gets rejected. I don't care who they are. No one will be liked by everyone. The worst form of rejection is when you reject yourself on her behalf. You go "she probably won't like me or I'll embarress myself, so I won't approach her". Rejection doesn't even necessarily mean she doesn't like you. There could be a variety of reasons for why she didn't engage with you at that particular time in her life. By cold approaching a girl, you're doing something that 99% o…
/r/seduction21/08/22 04:37 AM
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There's the tinder experiments where they have an unattractive overweight female profile and they still get loads of matches, guys trying to meet up etc. Attractive guys too. That's the type of pull that any woman has. It always goes full circle, it will inflate her ego temporarily because she'll think she's attractive if she's pulling these guys, but these guys never stay around, it's just easy sex for them, so her ego will crash when he leaves her and then she'll find another hook up and repea…
/r/seduction21/08/22 02:29 AM
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I'll tell ya man, I'm a huge introvert, especially in big groups. I'm always the one who says nothing and will prefer to be alone if I can. But with that being said, I've never struggled talking to a woman who was fun to talk to. If she wasn't giving me anything back and I had to literally carry the conversation, sure it would be draining, but then I'd probably not bother with a woman who was dry to begin with. I guarantee if you find a girl who you really like and she's talkative and fun, you w…
/r/seduction21/08/22 01:57 AM
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That last bit really hits home. I remember I used to get really beat up when I first started out because a girl would be so into me and I could literally watch her interest diminish the closer she got to me when she learned I had no game and missed every escalation window. Especailly in a club environment, game>looks.
/r/seduction21/08/22 12:33 AM
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The main issue I see here is your confidence. It happens dude. I went out to the club before and then the next morning I'm thinking back to things I said and I'm like "Fuck, that was lame", but then I remind myself, "hey, it felt fine at the time and at least I'm talking to girls". When you told those two girls that you fell in love with them, you're only cringing now because they rejected you. Had that turned into a great interaction you would have been like "Damn, that was a good opener, I'm g…
/r/seduction21/08/22 12:21 AM
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I agree. But coming from the mindet that they've wasted your time is coming from a low value mindset. It insinuates that you made them a high priority and had nothing else going on in your life that you could do instead. Sure, I get annoyed when a girl flakes sometimes, but I never tell them that, because I instead remind myself that I should have backup plans going anyway. So if a girl does flake on me, unless she tries to reshedule when she flakes (in which case she'll have to fight for it), I…
/r/seduction14/08/22 02:25 AM
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I don't care what your height is, there will be a sizeable number of women who will be shorter than you. It's just a fact. For most women the only thing they care about when it comes to height is that the guy is at least the same height or taller. But even still, I went to the club the other night and was surprised by just how many shorter guys were hooking up with girls taller than them. So yeah, I'm not going to BS and say that height doesn't play a decent role, but it's certainly not a reason…
/r/seduction14/08/22 01:43 AM
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Good on you man, it's all mindset. I have nights where I kill it and then some nights where I feel like a complete outsider and can't bring myself to approach - those are the worst nights - 100%. I could have a night of brutal rejections and yet it would still be better than a night where I just stood there looking around doing nothing.
/r/seduction14/08/22 01:31 AM
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Yeah, I've been there too many times. I don't really do social media and live a fairly private life. I'll approach an attractive girl, she'll seem into me, we have a good conversation, I get the number and we plan to go out. I get home, curiousity gets the better of me and I look her up and find she's some instamodel. I immediately feel my heart start to sink to be honest. Had someone told me the girl was an instamodel I never would have approached her to begin with. Maybe it's a limiting belief…
/r/seduction14/08/22 01:21 AM
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Np, if you're already getting makeouts then you're already doing a lot of things right. You'll kill it in no time.
/r/seduction31/07/22 01:01 PM
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This happens man. All girls at the club will usually draw the line somewhere. For some it could be at touching, for others it might be at making out, others at leaving their friends, others at going home with you etc. It could just be that you reached their limit. They had no desire to do anything beyond casual kissing. However, that's not to say you can't go further with the right game. In my experience when this happens to me, it's because I've gotten boring. We just keep dancing and making ou…
/r/seduction31/07/22 12:36 PM
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It's inevitable that will happen, obviously that girl who blocked you is probably a write off, but don't let it get you down man. Just keep doing what you're doing. I know guys who have had tiktok videos made about them, calling them creeps simply for cold approaching.
/r/seduction30/07/22 06:03 PM
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Your opinion. Daygame is more productive for getting an ongoing relationship, sure. For me the club is the adults playground. It's not real life. You go in there and can be far more intimate with women than you would be during the day. You have a far higher chance of getting laid and you're in a situation where it's socially acceptable to approach and get laid. I personally love it.
/r/seduction30/07/22 01:59 PM
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If your Instagram is on point and you're confident that her seeing your instagram will build attraction, it's the better option. I don't use Instagram so just go for the number. However I also push for a date early on too.
/r/seduction30/07/22 01:50 PM
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I wouldn't talk about it. You'll often find it's women who bring up these things, so just leave it to her. If you want to have sex, then bring things down that route and place less emphasis on dates/emotional talk. If she has an issue with it, she'll tell you.
/r/seduction30/07/22 09:55 AM
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You're coming from a mindset of scarcity so it's going to be hard for you to attract women this way, especially online. A high value man doesn't message a girl twice. Yes, there could be the rare time it works..But honestly, why bother? I don't care if you have a plethora of women on tap or if you have none. Come from a position of abundance. There is an unlimited number of women out there that you could be talking to, do not waste your time on one who didn't value you enough to respond to your …
/r/seduction29/07/22 12:22 PM
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This. I met a girl online once, she had a lot of emotional issues from her bf cheating on her. She came to me for advice and I helped her. I wasn't in "game" mode, she had no profile photo and meant nothing to me. Anyway, we start talking more and eventually she wants to video chat with me, she was like "please don't change once you see me". I wasn't sure exactly why she thought I would, but as soon as we connected I was shocked. She was a dime. I'm talking top 1% type. Never imagined the insecu…
/r/seduction29/07/22 12:14 PM
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It's not black and white, it's always good to mix things up. There are plenty of times where making a statement will come off as more engaging than simply asking a question.
/r/seduction29/07/22 12:00 PM
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It's good that you're approaching. That's the biggest hurdle quite honestly. Just be more casual. "Hey girl in the blue dress, I was just walking past and randomly felt like hitting on you". Don't overcompliment them by calling them pretty right off the bat and don't mention boyfriends at all, for all you care she's single and available until she states otherwise.
/r/seduction26/07/22 11:52 AM
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That's true but for me if seems to make a huge difference, I can't explain why. I literally have crap nights full of blow outs or I have amazing nights, rarely anything in between. The amazing nights the whole time I'm thinking, girls have already seen me with multiple girls, they're going to be turned off by now, but nope. I suppose it could be my confidence too. If I start off with rejections I feel crap and maybe that projects hence I get no action. Whereas when I get girls into me at the sta…
/r/seduction26/07/22 11:25 AM
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Exactly how I think too, which made me think girls would be the same, but all my experiences have told me otherwise.
/r/seduction26/07/22 11:21 AM
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I've found this too. Some 5/10 girl pulled me up to the top VIP section where everyone could see and started making out with me, I held it for 5 seconds before pulling away and going "fuck, literally every girl in the club has just seen me makeout with this chick, now I'm going to be undesirable for the rest of the night" and then literally 20 minutes later I'm getting approached by 2 attractive girls. It makes no sense to me as a guy, I don't understand it but it is what it is.
/r/seduction26/07/22 11:19 AM
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