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Was the figure ever lower?
/r/MensRights02/05/13 10:48 PM
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I don't even bother when it comes to Marcotte any more. It can be taken for granted that it'll be riddled with false claims, strawmen and just about everything else in between. She's the murphy's law of feminist blogging incarnate.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 10:13 PM
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I think you may have screwed up the formatting a bit. You need to put another blank line between what you've written and what you're quoting. Otherwise reddit mashes it all together like a toddler playing with it's food XD
/r/MensRights02/05/13 10:11 PM
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A study from the University of Southern Queensland, published in the Radiation Protection Dosimetry journal, found that beards block 90 to 95 percent of UV rays, thereby slowing the aging process and reducing the risk of skin cancer. The delicious irony of this is that they guy in the picture immediately below was wearing a tank top. So he prevents the sun from hitting maybe 30% of his face, but his entire arms and shoulders are exposed XD Interesting article though :)
/r/MensRights02/05/13 10:03 PM
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Few Feminists say anything about the treatment of women in the middle east and north africa. That's not true at all. The treatment of women in the middle east and north africa are examined in minute detail by western feminists as proof of patriarchy theory.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 10:00 PM
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There isn't much detail about number 3. It's possible she is the victim, although how she could have innoculously engaged in something which is blackmail worthy is hard to say.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:57 PM
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I'd tend to agree with that. I wasn't saying she should have been charged.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:54 PM
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But if no one forced you to do it then it was your choice and you should face the consequences of your actions. Plenty of women would rather do housework than get a job because they think it would be easier, should they be rewarded for making that decision? I think not. It's not so much a "choice" as a compromise within a relationship, from which the other party derives benefits. If I agree to support someone financially it would be wrong of me to withdraw that support without warning. I agree t…
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:53 PM
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That's just the point though. It's impossible to determine the likelyhood of unreported crimes being unreported. If they can get a high result from a survey with a very vague and loose definition of rape they can claim that the reporting rate is just about anything they want.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:51 PM
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So if the government of whatever jurisdiction you happen to reside in decided to say, "Sorry citizens, we really can't provide infrastructure or social services anymore, it's just too hard. We're still going to collect taxes though! That part is easy." you'd be OK with that? The principle is that, if one partner has sacrificed their career for the other, the other partner can't withdraw their financial support without due warning. The citizenry don't have a moral duty to support the government, …
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:47 PM
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Like I said, a limited amount of time and I think 60% is excessive.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:42 PM
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The 1 in 4 stat includes sexual assault (and alot of stuff which isn't even sexual assault)
/r/MensRights02/05/13 04:52 PM
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Trouble is, not all rapes are reported. So it's easy for rape culture proponents to claim that this shows that rape is massively underreported.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 04:51 PM
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Do you understand the words you are using? MUTUAL support. Alimony is not mutual support because the payor receives nothing for the money stolen from him (rarely, her). I'd actually agree that the recipient of the alimony should have to provide services in return, but in practice that would be impossible. They didn't do something hard in exchange for doing something easy. Seems like that is its own reward. Giving up your career for housework can be a sacrifice if you really liked your job.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 03:05 PM
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Why? When a relationship ends, the benefits end with it. If we're not friends anymore, you don't get to use the government to force me to help you move into your new apartment. Because you entered an agreement of mutual support. If, on that basis, your partner gave up their career in order to keep house, they deserve some degree of notice that it's going to be over.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 02:48 PM
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I agree, 4 years is pretty generous.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 02:45 PM
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It should be eliminated. Once two people are no longer in a relationship, neither one owes the other anything. I disagree. If one has entered into a mutually supportive financial relationship it's unreasonable to expect the other to pick up immediately where they left off when it ends.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 02:18 PM
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How many women are there in the fishing industry?
/r/MensRights02/05/13 01:55 PM
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Yep, they can get another job, which is why alimony should be limited. Just like regular redundancy. Ideally equal custody would be the rule.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 01:48 PM
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Of course they do. It's easier to argue with someone who isn't there than an actual MRA.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 01:35 PM
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In fairness, we don't know who actually made the phonecalls. Or if they even occurred. I have to feel sorry for the London Irish centre though, they must have had no idea what they were getting into when they accepted that booking!
/r/MensRights02/05/13 01:26 PM
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In my mind, if one parent can't support themselves, they aren't fit to be adult parents, and the kid should be primarily with the one who doesn't need financial support, barring other circumstances. Doesn't quite work out. In most marriages one partner is a primary earner and the other is the primary caregiver. For the primary caregiver divorce is effectively losing your job aswell as your partner. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the primary earner to contribute a certain amount toward…
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:57 PM
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So long as it's the thin end of the wedge, sure. There's guys out there who'll be funding their ex's lifestyle for the rest of their lives.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:54 PM
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Yeah, true actually, forgot about that bit.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:51 PM
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In a letter to state Senate President Don Gaetz, Scott said he could not support the legislation because “it applies retroactively and thus tampers with the settled economic expectations of many Floridians who have experienced divorce.” He has something of a point. I think there should be some kind of "weaning off" provisions for spouses which would otherwise be cut off immediately.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:35 PM
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So we'll fill that in with the doctor ranting about the double standards faced and why they prevent men from seeking help or being believed when they do. Or better still: "Unfortunately there aren't services available for male victims of DV as they rarely attract anything near the funding female oriented DV services do." What area do you live in? I'd be interested in helping but it's hard to know if I could or not without knowing where it'll be made.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:31 PM
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I think it's important to point out that feminism isn't always about respect of equality. But it would help to acknowledge that sometimes it is.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:28 PM
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It's just about remotely possible she thought they were 18, but it doesn't sound like she was making much of a home for her kid.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:17 PM
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/r/mrmemes or /r/MRAHumor would probably be better.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 12:09 PM
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I'm a woman (girl?), and I'm doing post-graduate study in a field that is disproportionately represented by women. If you're doing a post grad course you're almost certainly a "woman" ;) I want to apologise to all of you for my cowardice, and that I didn't have the guts to stick up for the rights of men at that moment. Don't worry about it. Honestly, what would the outcome have been if you had pushed your point? A DV worker who's actually come into contact with abused men and still insisted that…
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:56 AM
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Sticker sets are popular with children, that doesn't mean all sticker sets are aimed at kids. Without more detail, like where he found them, it's difficult to assume they're being aimed at kids. There are such things as novelty gifts aimed at adults. One often finds them in €2 shops right next to kids stuff.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:43 AM
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I doubt that. Occupy died because it couldn't get it's shit together. I don't think it was taken down by a conspiracy from the inside.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:38 AM
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I know the blogger considers them to be aimed at children, that doesn't mean they were.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:09 PM
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Even ignoring circumcision there's still castration and penile subincision among many others. The history of human culture is replete with examples of ritual body modification, men are no exception whatsoever.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:07 PM
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I emailed the London Irish centre about why they cancelled the event, but I didn't get a reply.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:03 PM
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Is that a kid's toy? Here's the original blog post (with a picture of the stickers). To me it looks like some kind of novelty product aimed at adults, and Lego did say it was produced by a third party company under licence. Even all that aside, "Hey Babe" isn't street harassment.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:01 PM
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As interesting as this is, is it actually on topic? I know SRS are one of the main anti-men's rights groups on reddit, but there isn't anything in there about them taking down an MR group or something. Maybe /r/SRSsucks ?
/r/MensRights01/05/13 09:46 PM
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Not the first time I've heard about OWS being hijacked by "progressive stack" type people. I'm no fan of occupy in the first place but given the size of the thing it wouldn't be in any way difficult for 20-30 shitsisters to form a voting block and start swinging it their way.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 09:43 PM
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Interesting, I thought the term meant something else completely XD.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 08:39 PM
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Hi, I'm really sorry that this happened to you. All I can say is to keep your hopes up, it must be hard to think of it now, but I'm sure this will get better with time.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 06:50 PM
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Note: when I say conservative I am not referring to political conservatism rather to the belief in a deeply strict interpretation of various religious texts. "Fundamentalist" would probably be a more descriptive term in that case. While I believe that I would be just one of many to agree that religion has been one of the leading forces, combined with nature and the environment, behind a societal outlook that holds men as being disposable. I think that's putting the cart before the horse. Religio…
/r/MensRights01/05/13 05:08 PM
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I wonder this often enough about everything. So far (with regard to most MRA issues) the answer has been "no." It would take a hell of alot of data to make me a non-MRA.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 04:55 PM
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I saw this, a friend of mine (female) pointed out that this isn't a gendered issue and male cosplayers put up with all of this too. She was shamed out of it by another woman though.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 04:25 PM
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Women need to constantly be given affection and validation otherwise their minds overthink the situation and conclude that they aren't being loved. You seem to be talking about "girls" or "toddlers," not adult women.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 03:49 PM
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In light of the men's shelter suicide, this thread has me PISSED. This all the fucking way. I wanted to send him some resources that could help him (like therapy groups, shelters or violence control groups for his wife) but the fact is there aren't any.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 01:24 PM
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I know at least too men this happened to (one of them was related to an ex, the other's children were friends of mine growing up). Actually, I can think of a third off the top of my head. Two of them won eventually, another finally managed to convince the authorities when it was too late and the children had mostly grown up. You're definitely not alone.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 12:41 PM
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"Any group that gets their kicks pretending to be idiots will get overrun by real idiots thinking they're in good company." Whom, when exposed as idiots, like to pretend they were only pretending.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 12:38 PM
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Put it in quotes and italics maybe?
/r/MensRights01/05/13 11:51 AM
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That's goddamn fantastic!
/r/MensRights01/05/13 11:51 AM
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So, SRS are a troll group who have convinced themselves they are serious? This explains so much...
/r/MensRights01/05/13 11:02 AM
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In fairness, she's being prosecuted, and hopefully people will learn to take "mean words on the internet" less seriously next time. I'd say it backfired on her.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:51 AM
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Ah! Gotcha :)
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:50 AM
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I think oppression is the wrong word, it applies better to things like caste systems or slavery. It's true that women, as a gender, have suffered disadvantages in particular areas at particular points in history, but so have men. Any gender studies course that only gives one side of that story isn't so much education as propaganda.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:49 AM
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:(
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:47 AM
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I assume they're backtracking to cover the policies in place before this happened, but it's still a completely inappropriate response to the situation.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 10:47 AM
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Current trends push for men and women to be hairless. This is not a gendered issue. Where social trends allow/require one gender to be hairy and the other to be smooth, it's invariably men who are supposed to be hairy and women who are supposed to be hairless. Even the "current trend" you refer to is more complex than that: At the same time there's countertrends encouraging beard and moustache growth. So how do you explain the appeal of long haired rock stars, and subreddits like [1] /r/shorthai…
/r/MensRights01/05/13 01:16 AM
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It's all very well to argue with the welfare officer, but (unless you have a very unusual SU indeed) I strongly suspect they don't actually have the power to mandate the creation of a "men's officer" even if you convinced them to do so. SU Officer positions are usually constitutionally defined and mandated. In order to change the constitution you'll have to convince alot of students to vote for it, and convincing students to vote for anything, or even to vote at all, is really really hard. The b…
/r/MensRights01/05/13 01:09 AM
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In the future I'll say group instead of class in this context. Fair enough. To my mind, while an oppressor is implied, it is not necessary that the complicity of the oppressor is deliberate. I don't agree that an oppressor of women exists (other than, perhaps, evolution). I would agree that gender roles are the result of natural processes rather than the result of any effort on the part of men. This does not change the fact that women had to actively seek equality under the law. That simple fact…
/r/MensRights01/05/13 01:02 AM
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How do you mean?
/r/MensRights01/05/13 12:05 AM
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However, if you concede that women were an oppressed class at any point in history (and some of us do) then it stands to reason that young women should be given the opportunity to learn about that. Actually I wouldn't agree with that at all. Firstly: "Womanhood" isn't a class, it's a gender. And that's not just mincing words, gender operates very very differently to class. Secondly: The term "oppressed" implies an oppressor. I don't agree that women's issues with their gender role are the result…
/r/MensRights01/05/13 12:03 AM
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which feminists criticized and fought to shut down. Not that I'd disbelieve it, but can you provide examples of this?
/r/MensRights30/04/13 11:55 PM
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It's different when the SPLC do it /s
/r/MensRights30/04/13 11:46 PM
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Even if the "Gender Studies" class was actually going to be "gender studies" and not "women's studies with a superficially inclusive title," high school isn't the place for that kind of political schooling. Keep politics out of the classroom please.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:36 PM
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“This episode has sparked an important discussion reaffirming that the UW community has no tolerance for sexual violence or violence of any type. The fact that the Facebook post apparently was a fabrication does not change the necessity for continued vigilance in assuring that we have a campus where everyone feels safe,” UW spokesman Chad Baldwin says. “It’s important that this event does not undermine the progress that has been made in this area.” Nobody calm down! It's very important that you …
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:29 PM
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This thread is about people in long term same sex relationships. You claimed that these are more common in the male population. Your data must therefore show this is the case in order to back your point up, not merely that men are more likely to fool around with other guys (even then, as I mentioned, your figures were pretty up and down).
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:04 PM
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Hello, irrelevant non-response that does nothing to distinguish apart between misandry and homophobia, and what's a mens rights issue. You fucking suck at arguing. Says the guy resorting to an ad hominem. As I said, the mechanism used to force them out applies to same sex couples of either gender. It's specific to same sex couples but it isn't specific to men. Hence it's an LGBT rights issue rather than a men's rights issue. I'm not sure how I can make that any clearer for you. Interesting, and …
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:01 PM
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Top level comments meaning direct replies to the OP. Comments replying to top level comments are second level and so on.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:53 PM
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I wasn't referring to any specific comment, I was just anticipating a horde of people rushing in and agreeing with him :) Fortunately people seem to have actually read the sidebar.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:49 PM
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Which guy in Canada?
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:48 PM
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Take a break. Ignore reddit completely for a week. Come back to it when you don't feel like crap. Most of the time posting to reddit isn't actually changing anyone's minds, it's not worth sacraficing your peace of mind for.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 01:51 PM
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Guys, about the whole blaming the girlfriend thing, that article gives no detail whatsoever. We don't know she was hounding for more and more money, we don't know why she didn't show up at the hearing and we're certainly in no place to speculate that "she got what she wanted." For all we know he agreed to the CS when they broke up and she had no idea he was under such stress.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 01:20 PM
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Not really an option if you want to see your kids again, or if you were genuinely willing to pay CS.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 01:19 PM
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Germany's a pretty nice place too.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 01:18 PM
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Ok, first off, learning to deal with idiots saying idiotic things is an important part of life. I'm pretty sure we all learned that lesson in one way or another. Touching is a completely different matter: sexual assault. I'd like to say he should have reported them to the police or the staff but I'm not sure they'd have taken it seriously.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 01:13 PM
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I think you might want to read what's actually written in MensRights if you want to respond to it. You're arguing against a point noone has made.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 01:07 PM
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Actually, alot of the time the people bringing up abortion as comparison are the ones arguing for men to have the ability to opt out. But I agree that it's a poor comparison.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:44 PM
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NB: The OP in that thread currently supports the principle of male financial abortion and has posted a CMV (change my view) thread. This means that top level posts supporting the OP are against the rules of that sub.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:43 PM
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When did "it wasn't me: it was the drugs!" ever keep a man out of jail?
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:36 PM
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It's justified: Men are more likely to reoffend. /s See how that works?
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:34 PM
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I get that Trauma can cause people to snap and react violently, but people who are out of their mind with rage don't typically plan their actions out in advance. Drugging someone isn't like lashing out in anger.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:23 PM
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Good for you :) Glad it worked out ok for you.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:21 PM
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"Sexual contact with the same sex" and "extensive homosexual experience" aren't necessarily predictors of the likelyhood of men and women to engage in exclusively homosexual relationships. The only source you had for this are the Kinsey reports, which are a bit outdated to say the least. The rest of your figures were pretty variable.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:14 PM
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You don't know that. You simply know the mechanism used to force them out. But we already know that homelessness has a male character because of male disposability. The mechanism used to force them out is only applicable to same sex couples. A hetero couple would have access to full marriage rights which prevent this kind of thing from happening. Gay teenage boys are more likely to be kicked out of the house and become homeless than lesbian teenagers. This is the disposable-male, protect-the-fem…
/r/MensRights30/04/13 12:07 PM
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A related straight couple issue is when men are forced out of their homes by women using false accusations, restraining order abuse, etc. Ok, but in this case they were forced out because they were a same sex couple, rather than because they were men. Homelessness in general is accepted as a core men's rights issue, BTW. I'm aware of that. Men are disproportionately likely to become homeless compared to women. Wheres I'm not sure that gay couples are disproportionately likely to be broken up com…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:35 PM
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That sounds pretty awful alright, but were there any instances of girls being murdered and their death's reported as "heart attacks." What surprised me about this case wasn't that parents would send their kids off to camps on a no-questions basis to "fix" them (I already know that happens). It was that they continued not to ask questions even after several of them died. In the link you gave it's at least possible that the parents didn't know what was going on.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:09 PM
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Did anyone see the slideshow at the bottom? "Notable anti-domestic violence campaigns" All aimed at women, most of them described as "anti violence against women." To look through them one could be forgiven for thinking that men don't suffer from DV.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:05 PM
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This is absolutely terrible, but it's a gay rights rather than a men's rights issue. But since it's been posted here: I hope they receive justice. No elderly couple deserve to be broken up like that.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:00 PM
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Not sure I agree, white people make up the majority of the homeless in Ireland, but that's because the majority of people in Ireland are white. That doesn't mean that homelessness is a white rights issue in Ireland (or anywhere else that I'm aware of). This is a horrible horrible story, but it happened to them because they were a gay couple, rather than a male couple. There's no way this could have happened if they were a straight couple, but I see no reason to believe it couldn't have happened …
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:59 PM
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I think this is what happens when people demonize men based on no evidence True, and rapist demonisation existed long before feminism (contrary to the claims of rape culture theorists), but currently feminists are the ones fanning the flames the most.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:52 PM
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"Feminism" didn't kill Earl Silverman. But feminist groups supported and sponsored the laws and policies which ensured that his life's work was doomed to failure.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:44 PM
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Phone surveys are also inherantly non representative as they exclude homeless people, people in prisons, people in psychiatric institutions and anyone who doesn't use a landline any more.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:43 PM
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Well, in fairness, most of the gay conversion camps I've heard about have had a pretty strong emphasis on christianity (or at least, their version of it).
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:39 PM
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Both of those links are studiously gender neutral, I couldn't see any actual examples of girls being physically abused in a similar manner to boys. Not that those kind of camps are ok for either gender, but people seem to have a lower tolerance when it comes to what they're willing to have their girls put up with than their boys.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:38 PM
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I think you're missing the OP's point. He's referring to an tendency among some feminists to argue that the MRM is redundant and that feminism is the real movement fighting for these issues. His point is that the general sidelining of men's issues (such as this one) within feminism means that we'd be waiting a long time if we expect a solution to come from within feminist groups. I don't think anyone thinks the camp was feminist, or aligned with feminist ideas.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:30 PM
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If you ever send your kid away because you can't help them,its b.c you sucked as a parent I'm not sure I agree with that. There are genuine programs out there which help teens cope with various issues (like overeating or drug abuse) or academic programs (I went on a few as a kid). That said, I think it's your responsibility as a parent to check up on the camp before you send your kid there. This place sounds like a nightmare.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:25 PM
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Good christ... the kid in the picture looks like a holocaust survivor. I hope whoever is responsible for that place gets serious jailtime.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:23 PM
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Jail is not gonna happen because of our lovely government. Agreed, that has nothing to do with "She's an evil bitch and I wish she'd committed suicide" This person would not hesitate to kill your own children without regret. Citation needed. She didn't randomly go out and kill some kids off the street, she killed her own children. I hope social services intervene if she becomes pregnant again in the future but I see nothing to suggest she's a danger to other people's children. Some people are en…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:11 PM
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Come to think of it, this isn't a million miles off what Josef Fritzl did. Granted, there isn't the false imprisonment, but other than that...
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:08 PM
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Third personal insult: End of conversation.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:06 PM
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I'm not trying to create an enemy, I'm pointing out that actual legal systems aren't always as reasonable as they should be. For instance: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130103/kansas-sperm-donor-sued-child-support I don't know that the sperm donor can be considered legally responsible in a case like this, but I've seen enough weird rulings not to rule it out.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:05 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducio_ad_hitlerum But since you bring it up, Hitler hurt alot more groups than Jews.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:02 PM
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I guess the "as a woman" comment came off differently than I intended - I didn't mean to say I don't have empathy or that I'm totally blind to men's issues, just that I've been more sensitive to women's issues because I've experienced them first hand, and so I am more knowledgeable on these but open to learning more! I didn't mean it as criticism as such. I just find the emphasis on perspective found within some groups to be unhelpful, also the distinction between "member" and "ally." I don't be…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:00 PM
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Agreed, unfortunately there's groups like lizlibrary who seem rather determined to buy into it.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:00 AM
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@OP: Might be worth cross posting this in /r/FeMRA
/r/MensRights29/04/13 09:52 AM
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Firstly, this abuse is about as sexual as it gets. Secondly, I'd like to believe the donor would be immune, but I've seen too many other people charged for stuff they shouldn't have to imagine that any justice system on the planet works like it should.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 09:33 AM
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That article has my head spinning: The move, combined with treatment programmes for women with alcohol and drug problems, is designed to reduce the number of families that are broken up when a mother is jailed.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 09:30 AM
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Details of the shocking case have emerged in a previously secret court judgment, which can be reported today for the first time and which raises serious questions over loopholes in international adoptions and the regulation of the global traffic in gametes. Wow... they actually seem to think the issue here is that you can buy semen over the internet or that conception isn't regulated.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 09:29 AM
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That's terrible, but incredibly beautiful. Thank you for writing it.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 09:20 AM
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Firstly, I'd like to disagree with this: "as a woman I can only speak from a woman's perspective on the gender discrimination I face, and I feel that this gives me an incomplete view of the whole picture" As a woman nothing prevents you from seeing what's going on around you, or men from seeing what's going on around them. Some of the most prominent voices in the MRM are women (Typhon Blue, Dr. Elly Tams, Erin Pizzey and GWW to name a few) and they have just as much to say as any guy. If you're …
/r/MensRights29/04/13 09:16 AM
1

Good luck! I hope your friend makes it ok.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 09:01 AM
1

"By extension" Read: By putting words in her mouth.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 08:57 AM
1

we can only wish death, but wishing is still too much for that poor little angel right? If you can point out the bit where I called her a "poor little angel" you might begin to have a point. She's a criminal, and she deserves to be in jail. That doesn't make it ok for you to wish for the death of some stranger who never did a thing to you in their life.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 08:56 AM
1

Well President Herbst, the new Husky logo may not be capable of frightening small children, she explicitly states here that the logo isn't frightening or intimidating at all perhaps you need to learn how to read. Nope, I'm pretty sure that's still you.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 09:36 PM
3

-reads letter the article is based on- No... she's talking about the logo. Maybe you need to read it again?
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:48 PM
1

WHEN THEY'RE IN THE FUCKING DICTIONARY Protip: There is no "The Dictionary." There's several dictionaries.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:44 PM
8

Wait, what, they had a camera in the dressing room?
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:38 PM
-4

What she did was clearly alot worse than wishing for the death of a stranger. But that doesn't make wishing for the death of a stranger ok.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:30 PM
-1

Agreed, but if the only way to exhonorate a person's statement is to point out that it's not as bad as child murder then it doesn't say much about their ideas.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:28 PM
-1

I never said any such thing. All I said was that it's pretty messed up to wish for the death of someone you've never even met and have no personal reason to hate.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:27 PM
1

I haven't any advice to offer, but good luck and I hope you find the help you need.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:25 PM
1

Oh... and in the name of all that is holy. Use a freaking throwaway until you've discussed it with your lawyer. This.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 06:24 PM
1

I've seen that before, but it's very startling alright.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 10:41 AM
-3

Guys, all these posts saying "I wish she was dead" are really off. Sure she's a horrible person, certainly I think she should have spent more time in jail (or in care if she's genuinely mentally ill) but I don't wish she was dead. The issue here, for me, is that men are rarely treated with such understanding when they commit a similar crime. Not that she should have died.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 10:40 AM
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It's a damn shame this evil bitch didn't die jumping off that bridge, or at the very least was seriously injured and had to spend the rest of her miserable fucking shitty life as a vegetable trapped in her body. That's really screwed up dude.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 10:36 AM
6

Go to the police station and make a formal report. Not sure about the law wherever you live but they usually have to listen if you make a formal declaration. Getting it on record at this point is probably important. Aside from that, get in touch with the guy's lawyer.
/r/MensRights28/04/13 10:23 AM
1

Ok, but if she's a feminist that actually does believe in equality doesn't that make her likely to cover this?
/r/MensRights27/04/13 10:39 PM
6

Time and place dude XD Although it is an interesting reference to make as fight club touches on a heck of alot of men's rights topics.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 10:34 PM
1

Might make more sense if it's legal to smoke in the workplace there. Over here it's a non-issue as smoking has to be done outside work anyway.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 10:30 PM
1

It would probably be more comparable to refuse to hire people who over eat. Though how you could determine that is beyond me.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 10:30 PM
3

I'd prefer people not to copy paste if they don't mind, but it's a free world :)
/r/MensRights27/04/13 10:05 PM
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I was about to play the devil's advocate and suggest that they were bound by the US federal definition of rape, but they don't seem to be. I don't dispute that rape can be defined as "sexual assault wherin the victim is penetrated." But I don't see why it's useful to separate such instances from "Non consentual sex" in general.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 04:11 PM
21

I wrote the following: I'd like to inform you about a tragic event which happened recently: A man running the only dmonestic violence shelter for men in Canada killed himself. Earl was himself a survivor of domestic abuse and ended his life when the shelter he had been running for several years closed due to lack of funding from public or private sources. Even after it closed he offered his own home to any men, and their families, who might need a refuge due to violent spouses. I really think th…
/r/MensRights27/04/13 04:07 PM
4

Done.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 04:06 PM
4

I tried emailing him to see if he'd be interested running a fundraiser here to get the shelter going again. I didn't even stop to think he might also be under personal stress as a result of it's closure :( His work had an amazing track record and the men and families he helped are a testament to his life. RIP
/r/MensRights27/04/13 04:00 PM
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/r/Egalitarianism is the sub you're looking for. This sub focuses on men's rights and there's nothing wrong with that. Some people here oppose feminism, others don't. Differing opinions are allowed.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 03:55 PM
4

There's a difference between "being excluded" and "a select group wishing they could exclude you."
/r/MensRights27/04/13 03:53 PM
1

As someone who is identified by society as male, men's rights issues apply to you. Even if they didn't, you'd still have a place here if you didn't want to be a part of the conversation. Welcome :)
/r/MensRights27/04/13 03:52 PM
0

The link is gone, but she said that he began talking about feeling her belly button and she told him to stop, but he went ahead anyway. He then shoved his hand and only stopped when she asked him again. Are you sure you read the story?
/r/MensRights27/04/13 03:27 PM
1

How do you figure? He touched her without permission, or even reason to think she might have wanted him to (it's not like they were making out or something). She told him to stop, and he went further. If that's not sexual assault I don't know what is.
/r/MensRights26/04/13 09:11 AM
5

Copping a feel isn't ok if you don't have permission. If she'd been making out with him or something that would be completely different, but that's not what happened.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 09:42 PM
1

No idea. I gather the rationale is not to give them web revenue. You'd have to ask a mod about that one. Edit: Mod has confirmed :)
/r/MensRights24/04/13 07:43 PM
3

Hardly matters, either way it's sexual assault.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 07:42 PM
5

Yes, the victim. Assuming her account is accurate she was sexually assaulted.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 07:42 PM
2

Civvies, not skivvies ;)
/r/MensRights24/04/13 07:41 PM
3

and before anyone brings it up yes,I think private companies can and should be allowed to do what they want when they choose who they sell too based on race age color anything In that case I completely disagree with you. Discrimination from one, small, private company might not be a huge issue, but if there's alot of them discrimination in a serious manner (like how hotels in Ireland used to refuse admission to suspected gay couples) it becomes a real civil rights issue.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:31 PM
2

I'd say alot of them wouldn't. Not in feminism anyway, maybe in feminisms.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:29 PM
2

No linking to gawker media, jezebel included. If you need to, you can link to a screenshot.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:28 PM
6

She asked him to stop before he put his hand down her pants. I can't imagine how a reasonable person wouldn't have known she didn't want him to go further.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:18 PM
0

It's considered sexual assault if he did it without her consent first, but is it worth ruining his life for if he stopped after she said no? - Absolutely not! He was probably just trying to be passionate, thinking she'd like the spontaneity, just like people do in the films he may have watched. Whether charges are pressed or not is for the victim to decide, not us.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:17 PM
3

Example 1: The post itself is reasonable, it's just someone trying to deal with a great deal of stress and worry. The response started out ok but, my god, "It seems certain that you were on the receiving end of sexual abuse prior to 7th grade." That's just nuts. Without having examined it even a trained doctor couldn't possibly conclude what such an "open sore" was actually herpes, as opposed to a regular spot or a chafemark. Example 2: She was sexually assaulted. It would be absolutely reasonab…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:15 PM
2

Touching is completely wrong, I don't think anyone has an issue with that (including the people criticising the campaign). It's the other stuff that gets tacked on that's not so big an issue.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 01:56 PM
3

Restraining him was reasonable, just as one guy was restraining the woman. Tackling him down a steep bank of seats was unnecessary. If a cop did that in Ireland they could potentially face charges of excessive force, let alone civilians doing it.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 01:55 PM
1

I'm not so convinced, look at the film industry: There's plenty of "male" movies there aswell as "female" ones. I strongly suspect that the game industry will be the same, media that tries to cater to everyone is typically pretty bland, there'll still be games which are primarily aimed at men. It's not like there's a fixed output of game which has to be shared around.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 01:54 PM
1

It does seem to be inflated beyond the actual problem alright. But at least they're being gender neutral about it (at least in that article).
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:50 AM
1

Wow! I guess upper class europe was a small place back then...
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:36 AM
1

We don't link to SRS because there's no point making this sub about some tiny community on reddit that noone listens to (outside of manboobz and possibly the splc on a slow news day), We have bigger fish to fry. They have their own rules about us not posting there, but we don't reciprocate on the basis that free speech and open dialogue are important, not to mention that no one ideology gets to define the mrm.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:35 AM
3

Great find. Definitely bookmarked.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:32 AM
5

It looks more like the old guy reacted to whatever he said rather than randomly punching him while he was sitting down. That said, the old man and woman were the only violent ones involved in the dispute. It's absolutely shocking that the crowd tackled the young guy. Edit: Could anyone hear what they were arguing about?
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:19 AM
1

Good point.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:12 AM
1

Haven't played the game, but that kind of thing will always exist while there's a market for it. Even if some of the larger companies decide to make bland games, they'll pay for it financially when people buy from indie developers instead. Unless of course there's a real market for that kind of game in which case both kinds of game will be produced. Anyway, my point is that the game industry growing to accomodate new markets doesn't mean they'll junk the old ones. Even if some individual compani…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:11 AM
3

In fairness, the female gamers I know buy games based on how fun they are. I don't know many people who buy games based on their having "strong female characters" (the very few that do aren't really representative, and incidentally aren't very nice people either). You've identified this problem of sanitisations as being due to the influx of female gamers, but in fact it's more due to a particular type of gamer, some of whom are male, some of whom are female. The gamers in question claim to repre…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:34 AM
4

Even the concrete examples of ogling are somewhat dependent on interpretation and perception. The only ones that aren't are the ones like the assault mentioned at the bottom of the article, but pushing someone and spitting on them (while being pretty vile behaviour) probably isn't specific to people wearing costumes.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:25 AM
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http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/04/04/costumes-are-not-consent-combatting-cosplayer-harassment/ The article was posted above. Apparently it's what the photo is referring to. It's a feminist piece about inappropriate behaviour towards cosplayers, but it's surprisingly and admirably gender neutral. I've no idea if the rest of the campaign is similarly gender neutral but I've no evidence it isn't either.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:15 AM
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It's another grey area along with comments and photographs. It's also something which can easily be the result of an innocent activity like spacing out after spending three days playing games and socialising with virtually no sleep.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:13 AM
0

I can fully see how you might say that such a person doesn't really have a place in the gaming community. But surely you'd agree that not all gamers fit into that category?
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:11 AM
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Basicly they're complaining about the negative attention (or perceived negative attention) experienced by cosplayers. Some of their complaints are pretty reasonable: Like not wanting to be groped. Groping people without permission is absolutely illegal and recognised pretty much everywhere as being wrong. Some are less reasonable: If I wear a sexy and revealing outfit in public, do I have the right to insist that noone photographs me? How about people not looking at me for too long? Those seem t…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:09 AM
1

In fairness, she never said men don't have issues of representation when it comes to games (unlike many feminists). As for gaming being a male bastion, probably true, but why is that a good thing? Why do we need an entire entertainment sector to be reserved for one gender?
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:04 AM
3

Good point. Actually, now that I think of it, It's mostly the more commercial, marketing driven games that have the "wank fodder"
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:02 AM
7

We have no such rule. We aren't the male equivalent of SRS (thank god.)
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:57 PM
8

I was right with you up until: Girls and women actually do get harassed in costume. Some people actually think it's okay to catcall and even touch these girls and women they don't know. Taking photos is one thing, but being a total inhuman asshole is another. Learn the difference. The entire rest of this thread I was looking aghast at the commentators I normally respect bringing up instances of this problem being identified as a "women only" thing, even when there didn't seem to be much evidence…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:56 PM
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Trouble with that is, alot of the female geeks are going through the same thing, and weren't responsible for the social rejection in the first place. As for those that do look down on male geeks... what the heck are they doing at cons?? O.o TL;DR: It's wrong to lump all women into that group.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:52 PM
3

I agree, but that wasn't why he posted it XD Look at the youtube video in the first link.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:50 PM
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The "stared at" or "photographed" or "commented on" bits I find hard to sympathise with. The "groping" thing is perfectly reasonable, although I'd wonder how specific this is to cosplay, I've been groped walking down the street in my civvies.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:48 PM
4

Also, a lot of people don't like the portrayal of women in comics and games, including men. Why do you think so many men play as the awesome, not overly-sexualized FemShep in Mass Effect? According to an article I read on the subject, many of them did so because they felt the male version was so hypermasculine they actually couldn't identify with him. I do think it would be slightly hypocritical though, if someone were to complain about the sexualised depictions of female superheroes and then dr…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:46 PM
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In fairness, the article linked to above does that. It's a rare gemstone in that respect, but they actually did acknowledge that it happens to men too.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:43 PM
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Getting photographed isn't the issue. I've never seen or heard anyone say that. Getting touched without giving consent, however, is creepy. Have a look in the article posted above, they specifically identify being photographed and getting asked "lewd questions" as part of this general problem. They don't say what the question was, so it's hard to say whether it was relatively harmless or way wide of the mark, but if one wears revealing and sexualised clothing then it's not unreasonable for peopl…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:38 PM
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At conventions, most women don't mind things like compliments, as long as they're not rude or make them uncomfortable. I'd agree that most sane people, male or female, know a compliment when they hear it, and don't make a big deal even if someone tries for complimentary and ends up with creepy. Unfortunately in this sub we tend to come across people who try to roll "compliments" into the same bag as "touching without permission" and imply that both things only happen to women. You're not one of …
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:34 PM
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Exactly. I'm irked that a lot of the people here don't seem to understand the fact that women don't have a problem with the looking but with the touching and inappropriate comments. Actually, there's been quite alot written about how looking isn't ok either. I don't agree by any means, but it's not exactly a rare idea. As for inappropriate comments, that's a grey area. It's not an issue of consent, but it might be an issue of bullying if it goes to far. It's impossible to tell without hearing th…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:28 PM
12

That's all very sensible, I wish it'd been included with the OP.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:22 PM
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It's arguably true that girls and women are the focus since they cosplay the most, but it's not outright denying that boys and men can't get harassed. In fact, the article people are complaining about mentions this. Just on that point, any con I've been to there's roughly equal numbers of male and female cosplayers. I'm not aware of any academic studies examining it, but from what I've heard/seen I'd say that guys are about as likely to be touched without permission as women are. I suspect it's …
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:20 PM
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Actually you have something of a point, they're actually being reasonably gender neutral about it (at least in that article). That said, I don't agree with them fully. I absolutely agree that costumes don't = consent to anything that one would normally have to express consent to in order for it to be ok. For instance: It's wrong to touch most areas of someone's body without asking first, no matter what they're wearing, I think most people would agree on that (including the majority of con attend…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:13 PM
1

That doesn't include shipping mind you but it was the first link on google. I'm pretty sure you could get them cheaper if you knew where to look. Alibaba is a frightening site, anyone need 3,000,000 novelty plastic cats?
/r/MensRights23/04/13 10:56 PM
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Hahaha! I hadn't realised she'd actually started singing.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 09:15 PM
4

I love how the article "This is what MRAs look like" is stuffed with strawmen and has a picture of a feminist at the top.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 09:13 PM
2

Here, 10,000 posters for $100 from China. That's the minimum order. They can produce up to 500,000 per day if it so tickles your fancy/wallet :D Edit: You could probably use them for construction materials to build a men's center at that volume!
/r/MensRights23/04/13 08:55 PM
1

He mentioned it's located in a men only dorm. It's fairly reasonable to assume that the main audiance of any poster placed there will be men.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 08:44 PM
1

Yeah, good point.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 04:45 PM
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I'd say it is FAR more pathological to demonize male sexuality as a "political lesbian" because you feel threatened by heterosexual men as rival mates for heterosexual women. Wut?
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:55 PM
1

"Potential" is minimising the impact of what they've said. If they claim that men can't control their sex drive around women, then (in their eyes) it's only a matter of time before any man actually commits rape. Whatever wording he goes with is up to him. I think most people will realise how screwed up the poster is even if someone complains that it was only "very misandric" instead of "extremely misandric."
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:51 PM
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He publicly identifies as a feminist on his twitter. Not all feminists are anti-MRA, but the ones who are typically aren't amenable to reason, and don't usually base their objections on reason either.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:40 PM
1

Congratulations for leaving your abuser. It was absolutely a step in the right direction. The only way to change things is to spread awareness. If you feel you're up to it, don't hide what happened to you, when people talk about DV in gendered terms feel free to pipe up and correct them. Once the myths about male abusers and female victims die it'll be difficult for the hardliners to insist that others conform to their sexism.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:15 PM
1

Did she? That's incredible.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:13 PM
2

It can be, it's possible to hold a deep seated hatred for your own gender while simoultaneously being attracted to them. It's even possible for gay people to be homophobic.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:12 PM
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The poster states that men are fundamentally inable to control their sex drive. It doesn't state it as something that's potentially true.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:07 PM
1

That's reasonable, I just don't think the fact that he's begged for food is relevant here. Unless you're suggesting that maybe he needs help.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:06 PM
3

This is what integrity looks like. Bitch. I'd have upvoted if this bit had been left out.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 01:49 PM
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Feck me! Avoid the great lakes. That aint no safe place for a foreskin at night.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 01:25 PM
1

Not sure we should mock someone for asking for food. People ask for money on the internet for all kinds of reasons, some reasonable, some selfish, but generally speaking, if someone's begging for food they're probably in a bad way. At any rate, I'd agree that he's probably not a big issue.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 12:27 PM
1

Not really. A lot of the most prolific school shooters recently have been young men, but I'm sure most Californians haven't forgotten the sixteen year old girl who shot up an elementary school because she disliked Mondays. I agree, clearly it's not purely a male thing. Nonetheless there's plenty of gender ideologues out there who delight at the chance to suggest that another of life's problems is caused by men. Just because it's something that happens to a man doesn't make it a men's rights issu…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 12:20 PM
1

If it were a game I might agree. Game developers and scriptwriters tend to have different priorities when it comes to content, as opposed to advertisment and, from what I've seen, typically aren't as concerned about marketing. Advertising is mostly based on demographics, in this case Irn Bru is being marketed to men in their late 20s and choosing three women as the counterpoint wasn't an accident. He represents men, they represent women. He's clearly shown as having no real power to object to an…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 12:16 PM
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Even if it's just a case of them choosing not to prosecute, it's still a law on the books which openly declares that your rights are conditional on the basis of your gender. And the fact that you can be denied federal aid available to women is bad enough.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 12:02 PM
1

I got that, don't worry.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:57 AM
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And a male rape victim if he can find one willing to come along.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:56 AM
2

I saw one such flyer in Ireland. I didn't know the political context at the time so I just thought it was ridiculous and poorly thought through.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:56 AM
2

Well said.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:54 AM
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Use it as an opportunity. Start a discussion. I'd be inclined to leave up a note saying something like: "Whoever made this poster thinks that you area rapist because you're a man. What do you think? Meeting in room GXXX at XX:XX for anyone wanting to express their opinion regarding this poster"
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:53 AM
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Just ot be clear: I think that post is absolutely hateful and wrong, but they make the same claims about us. If we insist on having free speech on campus and the right to discuss men's issues as we see fit, surely we can't argue that they don't also?
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:50 AM
1

It very well could be caused by "toxic masculinity." It could also be caused by phases of the moon. It's mostly just conjecture and guesswork. Exactly, which is what makes this a men's rights issue. Yes I didn't find the EXACT situation. However those examples made it pretty clear that this isn't just anti-male policy gone wrong. No, you couldn't find a situation of comparable force to a comparable action. All the examples you found were either too vague to compare or involved a reaction to actu…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:40 AM
1

I agree that he should be able to decide whether he becomes a parent or not, just like she should. I'm just saying that, in general, the assumption that both parents should have to bear equal financial responsibility for a child should be contingent on them also bearing equal responsibility for actually caring for that child. It doesn't really apply to this case because she's the only one who's actually choosing to become a parent.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:31 AM
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I agree it's safer (and probably better in general) to insist on absolutely clear communication around consent, but we're left with the fact that nearly every couple out there, gay or straight, negotiates consent primarily using body language, leaving verbal consent as a fallback. If a woman says "I don't want to have sex" and then five minutes later straddles him and begins putting his penis inside her, then it's perfectly reasonable to assume she's changed her mind. I've changed my mind like t…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 08:02 PM
2

Given what she said I'd say it's likely she liked his status.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 07:58 PM
1

http://www.angryharry.com/reTeaAbuse.htm
/r/MensRights22/04/13 07:49 PM
2

Is the marital age of consent where he lives 16 or the age of consent to sexual activity? If the age of consent to sex (to which the term normally refers) is 16 then I don't see how he could possible have been prosecuted, unless the sex was unconsentual. If it's the age of consent to marriage (or alcahol, or tabacco, or some other age restriction) then it's entirely possible that the age of consent to sex is higher than 17 and he was prosecuted for having sex with what the law considers to be a …
/r/MensRights22/04/13 07:46 PM
2

"The age of consent" is widely used in the English language to refer to the age at which one can consent to sex. Certainly in Ireland and the UK it almost exclusively refers to that. If the term is used differently in the states you've mentioned, then that's very interesting, but it's hardly the definition of the term. If you have premarital sex with a 17 year old, you will still be put on the list of people to keep kids away from for life. In some jurisdictions, yes, in others, no. In Ireland, …
/r/MensRights22/04/13 07:43 PM
1

Ah, sorry, I thought you were implying the latter. Yep, I'd agree with that.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 07:07 PM
1

To an extent. Ignoring the fact that he doesn't want to be a parent (which is another issue) she will be doing all of the work in actually caring for the child, which doesn't exactly make their positions equal.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:54 PM
1

That's still just under $1,000 per week, which isn't exactly poverty (although, granted, if she keeps working there she'll have to shell out alot of the $200 a week he's giving her on childcare).
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:53 PM
1

In fairness, there's nothing in that thread which suggests she was golddigging. And even if she was she appears to be pretty terrible at it. Agreed that men should be able to opt out of parenthood though, just as women are.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:50 PM
1

That does sound rather like blackmail if person Y were a member of a group which is much more likely to be considered responsible for the accident than person X.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:49 PM
0

The question isn't whether men are more likely to commit a terrorist act or school shooting, the question is whether this is ultimately a product of "toxic masculinity" or some such notion. As you point out, she didn't get arrested. Hardly confirms your theory about gender neutrality. That girl was handcuffed for actually acting violently. Without actually seeing it happen it's difficult to judge whether the handcuffs were truly necessary or not, but it's clearly a step above wearing a tshirt so…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:41 PM
0

Was that sarcasm?
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:21 PM
0

Some still do. Thankfully their predictions have failed to materialise.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:17 PM
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The advert was clearly implying that the man would be wrong to object to the women's decision. The fact that he avoids doing so is presented as a positive achievement (aided by Irn Bru). The advert comes with a cultural context of men being traditionally excluded from parenthood and childrearing. What have feminists got to do with this?
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:14 PM
2

When people need sex, they seek it out. A pedophile's prospective list of satisfying partners from which to seek out sex are all victims. The children they are attracted to are not available, and well that they aren't. Again, you're suggesting that humans can't control their sexuality, which is clearly untrue. At any rate, even if what you were saying was true, "seeking out partners" or not isn't influenced by pornography. People have been doing it since long before porn existed (aswell as choos…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 06:11 PM
1

I disagree, he was about to object until he took a swig of irn bru. The fact that he said nothing any went along with it is presented as a positive thing. It's also, very clearly, implying that it's women's decisions that need to be put up with. Unless you think it's an accident that all three of them were women?
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:36 PM
1

What's wrong with this exactly?
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:34 PM
1

The implication is that men shouldn't question women when it comes to children.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:26 PM
1

You can buy generic irn bru.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:22 PM
0

Not someone, some woman.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:22 PM
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It's offensive because it suggests that it's men's place to put up with whatever women decide with regards to parenting.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:21 PM
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Because it implies that fathers aren't real parents, and need to learn to put up with whatever decisions women make.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:19 PM
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That's just ridiculous. I don't think prostitution is necessarily exploitation (of either the john or the worker) but I can't even imagine this kind of language being used in relation to male sex tourists.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 04:03 PM
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Ireland was 16 until recently. It's 17 now. There also used to be different ages for lesbiand and gay encounters. As you correctly point out: even within the US it isn't 16 everywhere, some states it's 18. Edit: The Bulk of the Western World is 16 or higher. I see how you're confused. That's not what he claimed, he claimed that the most of the western world was 16. One could get into a great deal of trouble by making that assumption in a country where the age of consent was 18. Personally I'm lo…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 03:55 PM
0

That sounds pretty awful. If your friend did what it sounds like he did then that's absolutely wrong. There's no point tying yourself into knots about something that mightn't have happened though. I'd say it's time to find a new friend and look forward to the many wonderful things ahead. You're still the same person you were before this happened.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 03:53 PM
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I'd fully support that. Rape is too poorly defined and loaded a term to be used rationally in a legal context.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 03:33 PM
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http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-20/india/32763268_1_gender-sexual-violence-crpc That source refers to them as "women's rights activists" but I've seen them identify as feminist elsewhere.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 03:32 PM
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Is it within the scope of affirmative action to realise what amount of candidates there are for each relevant position? From what I've always seen it just becomes a range of quotas that must be adhered to that has no real bearing over the employment ecosystem. It certainly should, although I'd agree that it often doesn't. The fact that PD is often poorly implemented isn't an argument against it in general. Edit: The EU proposals say that companies must have clear, gender-neutral criteria for cho…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 02:33 PM
0

They're restricted from coming into contact with children because they're considered to be a danger to children. They don't represent any danger to caroons.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 02:27 PM
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That's patently ridiculous and falsifiable. By that same argument anyone who goes through a long period without a sexual partner must necessarily become a rapist because "the urge to act out what you are attracted to is as strong as the urge of all animals to mate. And that's a mighty strong urge to overcome." Back in reality people control their urges all the time and porn (especially cartoon porn!) has nothing to do with it. Childporn is a problem because it hurts children, molestation is a pr…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 02:25 PM
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I disagree. Victimless crime and whether this fits there are debateable. What's to debate? There's no positive outcome from punishing someone from doing something which hurts noone. But that doesn't make it ok to criminalise expressions that don't harm anyone. Depends on the country. By and large N Z seems to not have problem with Child Porn or Simulated Child Porn being banned. They aren't marching in the streets demanding their daily dose. Again, you're mixing up "it's legal" with "it's moral.…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 02:18 PM
1

Hiring practices are discriminatory if, of two people who are equally qualified for the job, one person is more likely to get the job due to unrelated characteristics such as gender, ethnicity or religion. Difficult to prove in individual cases of course, but it's easy enough to determine if such a prevaling attitude exists through statistical analyses. If there are a large number of qualified candidates from group X, but relatively few of them gaining employment, then there's discrimination at …
/r/MensRights22/04/13 02:05 PM
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How do you mean?
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:58 PM
0

All in all it sounds like a place worth avoiding.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:52 PM
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It's entirely possible that was just intended as a joke, rather than something which actually reinforces sexism.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:48 PM
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Oh I'm fully aware. I'm just saying that by any meaningful definition of the word that isn't rape.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:46 PM
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What "balance"? If a law punishes someone for doing something that hurt nobody, and could never have hurt anyone, then it's bad law. Balance doesn't come into it. Freedom of Expression is not now nor has it ever been in any country, an absolute. I never said it was. But that doesn't make it ok to criminalise expressions that don't harm anyone. And convincing people that Men's rights materials are objectionable enough to ban them would be a stretch. Not really. It's been happening quite alot in C…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:39 PM
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If it's a misunderstanding then it's not rape. It's a misunderstanding.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:32 PM
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Not only "screw him for more money" "screw him for more money because it's the right thing to do."
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:18 PM
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The point is that the people in that murkiness were never rapists in the first place, and never should have been identified as such.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 01:05 PM
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In some instances feminist groups have also opposed gender neutral definitions of rape, one the basis that women might get falsely accused (this is not a joke).
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:44 PM
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I support affirmative action in the job market where there is reason to believe a group is available for work, but is underrepresented due to discriminatory hiring practices. I oppose affirmative action where a group is underrepresented due to a tendancy for individual members of that group not to opt for that particular type of work.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:40 PM
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We can't have a universal definiton of rape because it's a vague term that not everyone agrees on. My own definition is: When one person has sex with another person despite knowing that they're not consenting. Trouble is, one now has to define "sex"
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:37 PM
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I agree with gun control 100% and I think the NRA acts in an inherantly immoral manner. That said, that kid's shirt was a threat to noone.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:31 PM
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Finally, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MENS RIGHTS?!? NOTHING! Women can and do own guns. It's likely the same argument would have happened if this was the mans daughter wearing the same shirt. In fact, you could randomize the gender of EVERYONE in the story and get the exact same result. Please, take this crap elsewhere. Not so. A large part of the conversation regarding school shootings is the supposition that masculinity is the source of the issue. In addition, it's well established that men…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:30 PM
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School shootings are identified as something inherantly wrong with men. This is a man who is assumed to be violent and a threat based on a t-shirt he wore. This is a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:28 PM
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Except that this wasn't a "relationship" and the action for which he was being punished caused no harm. Unless you consider fictional elves to have human rights.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:24 PM
1

Well said.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:23 PM
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The law exists because N Z doesn't want child porn in the country. He had porn that the law considered to fall under the ban on child pornography. He was sentenced for it. That part is simple. Whether they were watching him on account of his record is another matter. Tautology. If the law considered "reading reddit" to be childporn then laws against reddit would exist to prevent childporn from being brought into the country. Laws (including anti-childporn laws) should exist to protect people. If…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:22 PM
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Can you give examples of that? The post is ambiguous as to his age when he had sex with his stepmother. It's possible he was underage, it's also possible he was of age to consent. It's not rapey to point out that consenting to sex might not be rape if one is of age. Even if it's questionable of his stepmother to have sex with someone she was supposed to be helping to raise.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:13 PM
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(which seems to be 16 in most of the western world) That just shows how little you know. The age of consent varies quite alot across the western world.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 12:09 PM
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Good article, but just a couple of points: 1/ We don't need to get into the men/women are the oppressed gender game. Both genders face challenges to their human rights. 2/ I'm not sure oppression is quite the word to use when it comes to either gender: Oppressed people don't typically enjoy privileges based on their status.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 11:49 AM
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The law under which he was prosecuted exists on the basis that (it is claimed) his actions indicated he might commit a crime in the future. I don't support laws based on guesswork. If an action harms someone it should be illegal to perform that action, plan to perform it or attempt to perform it. Looking at a drawing of fictional characters simulating the performance of said action threatens noone. Unless you're the kind who thinks that books and video games cause violence. I'm not debating whet…
/r/MensRights22/04/13 11:27 AM
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Depends where you live.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 11:19 AM
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Who determines that and according to what criteria? It sounds like you're saying such a law should be unconstitutional.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 11:19 AM
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That works pretty well actually.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 11:17 AM
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Like I said, clearing up miscommunication won't stop date rapists, it'll stop innocent mistakes.
/r/MensRights22/04/13 11:14 AM
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Who said they were working for me? They need living room for goodness sake. Your livingroom to be exact.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 11:21 PM
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I don't know what information they had when they wrote it, which is kindof the point. Maybe if I had had the information they did, and not the exhonorating information from the first article you posted, I might have come to the same conclusion as them. If that's the case then it's certainly reprehensible, but I haven't seen any organisation I'm familiar with make such claims. The rhetoric I've seen surrounding gay bullying is that it's a serious issue, not that it's the only issue.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 11:16 PM
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You'll be sorry when the 4chan army kick down your door and plaster your walls with memes.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 11:14 PM
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Nope? So balance is not required? You prefer some thing more extreme? The crime is simple. Possession of objectionable material. He had it. Who decides if it's objectionable? The State. 3 months. I don't see what this prosecution has to do with balance. And, yes, I'd like people to at least attempt to commit a crime before they're punished for doing so. Cool, so the state decides what's "objectionable" (not even "dangerous," just "objectionable") according to some politicians discussing men's ri…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 11:05 PM
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According to that article they withdrew support once they became aware that the project's purpose was to fight homophobic bullying. If that's true then, yes, that is somewhat bigoted. According to the other article they misunderstood what the project was about and so, had no recollection of supporting it. If that's true then they didn't act in a bigoted manner, and the accusation of bigotry and homophobia was a misunderstanding. Whichever way you care to read it, it's hardly much of an argument …
/r/MensRights21/04/13 10:59 PM
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And false accusations are a type of slander/perjury, but it helps to have words which refer to specific cultural phenomena.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 10:22 PM
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Right, but presumably you don't agree with it.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 10:19 PM
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Hi! Lgbt activist here! I don't see anything in that article which identifies anyone as a bigot, even the guy who actually did make bigoted statements on the radio. In addition, the fact that the "It get's better" project focuses on helping the victims of homophobic bullying hardly implies that they're "taking over" bullying or something. I also don't see how you can claim that the statistics are made up just because they don't explicitly source the quote using the harvard referencing system (as…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 10:18 PM
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I've been around the internet since soon after it came into existence, but I'm pretty sure not all of it is 4chan, unless they're annexing neighbouring regions again, I hate it when they do that.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 10:11 PM
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Downvoted. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that poster. If you can point out an example of people in that conference trashing men's rights then it has a place here, but otherwise this doesn't have much relevance.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 10:09 PM
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Why stop at internet history? Everything they've watched on TV, everything they've seen in the cinema, everything they've read. If they really believe that thinking about something leads to doing it then they'll have nothing to hide.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 10:01 PM
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But if someone remains a danger to that society, or is on their way back to the behaviours that made them a danger, then that requires some sort of corrective action as well. Balance is required. I don't think there's an easy answer. Nope, we don't jail people for being "on their way to committing a crime" we prosecute them for committing a crime, trying to committ a crime or planning to committ a crime. Fantasising about fictional nonhuman creature committing a crime doesn't really cut it. This…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:59 PM
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Because they'd prefer us to be sitting at home, reading a nice book, aware from all those nasty internets and cinematographs. "Here! Read something clean like Othello, there's no sex or violence in that!" Oh wait... And it's virtually impossible for anyone to argue against them because if you do you must be on the side of the pedophiles/school shooters/insert moral panic here.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:53 PM
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I've no problem with prison rape jokes in the right context (like on south park or at a stand up comedy gig) but we're supposed to be having a serious discussion here.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:50 PM
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As I posted in [1] /r/newzealand, if he wasn't even aware it was objectionable I can't believe he could be punished this way for it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, otherwise people could just claim they weren't aware law X existed and they couldn't be touched. That said, there's no reason for this to be criminalised in the first place. Maybe if he'd stuck with the troll/elf porn in the past he wouldn't have sexually assaulted that kid.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:48 PM
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Assuming he appeals it of course. He might be inclined to just keep his head down and hope for the best.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:45 PM
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If watching faked media of something makes someone actually likely to do that thing, shouldn't we be banning the likes of Macbeth from being read in children's schools?
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:40 PM
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*/s
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:19 PM
2

How have we "taken it over" exactly?
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:17 PM
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To broad, we're looking for something which specifically refers to going after someone's job due to a percieved slight based on ideology.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:16 PM
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"crowd slam" Sounds about right.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:15 PM
2

"character massassination"
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:13 PM
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e-McCarthyism sounds the best to me. Adriatising: is too specific to one event, plus it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. Digilynching/iLynching: "lynching" is a pretty sensitive word with regard to race. It has other meanings of course but there's other equally good words which don't have racial connotations. iMob McCarthyism: Too long Viral Blacklisting: Doesn't really sum it up to me.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:09 PM
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The irony of accusing Farrell of enabling rape culture is that the chapter that is frequently cited is one in which Farrell tries to talk about what he thinks might help reduce the incidents of rape. People communicating more clearly wouldn't stop rape, it would stop misunderstanding. If someone has unconsentual sex with another because they had every reason to believe that person was consenting then it's hardly rape, even if it has avoidable negative consequences.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:05 PM
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I think you're misunderstanding him. He's drawing attention to the fact that "sometimes no means yes" in order to point out a problem in our discourses about consent which needs to be solved. Not to glorify blurry methods of communicating consent. If you read the book it's pretty clear he wants a world where both men and women communicate clearly what they want and don't want.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:01 PM
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They then went on to make exceptions for gay white males on the basis that they're more likely to be bullied. Is having your college fees paid some kind of therapy? Not to mention that, even if such a rule were to be put in place, I'm pretty sure half the men in the country would suddenly become "gay" for four years. They also want to cut college funding for war vets, because somehow signing up to defend your country makes you personally responsible for any dodgy war you're legally required to p…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:56 PM
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I don't expect one of those because most of the people on this sub are used to supposedly gendered crimes turning out not to be. Just because noone's surprised doesn't mean it's not useful to have some extra evidence.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:51 PM
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Brigade warning btw
/r/MensRights21/04/13 07:34 PM
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I think you need to do some research, then come back. The only reason we know that men's rights issues exist in north america is because people are (slowly) beginning to examine them. India hasn't benefited from such examination. TL;DR: You have no data to back up your (dubious) claims.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 07:23 PM
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Maybe try the one I mentioned then? There's also a Spanish and a Swedish study (based on large samples and comparing like with like) but I can't seem to find them right now.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 07:17 PM
1

As opposed to slicing her arm off?
/r/MensRights21/04/13 07:15 PM
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That's pretty speculative, if they'd declared such a motive I'd have downvoted. As it is it probably makes more sense to assume they posted to show that this isn't a gendered issue (as is often reported).
/r/MensRights21/04/13 07:14 PM
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Possibly, I think it's at least possible that people browsed past the title in MRMain and upvoted without reading the source. Pretty much everyone who actually read the thing and bothered to comment saw it for what it is though.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 07:13 PM
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Downvoted, sorry, that belongs in /r/MRAHumor or /r/mrmemes
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:19 AM
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I have no idea what the rest of the objections were about, but why on earth does standing up for men's rights issues have to be opposed as inherantly anti-woman? What are they afraid of?
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:18 AM
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Actually abortions aren't legally available in Ireland and you need ID to buy the morning after pill, so those aren't really options for underage girls wanting to avoid pregnancy. But, as you said, teenagers are teenagers and women are perfectly capable of "all the blood rushing from their head."
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:12 AM
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Not a study (afaik there aren't any studies on the topic) but this article is great for debunking the idea that mens rights issues are restricted to western countries and in poorer countries only women suffer sexism.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 09:09 AM
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I forget the actual wording, but that is, honestly, their rationalisation.It's as if they've never heard of condoms, or even teenage hormones.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:57 AM
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This is more like neo-nazis saying the sun is in the center of the solar system due to a jewish conspiracy. There's a grain of truth in there, and their sources exist, but practically everything else in the article is pure bias.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:55 AM
1

The reason why Mensrights and Feminists don't get along is because Mensrights related things tend to subscribe to gender essentialism. Mensights related things tend to go into discussion with already defined ideals of what a man and a woman are and what their purpose is. Whereas feminists do not subscribe to gender essentialism, rather they analyze various social structures and study why oppression happens in the first place, developing academic language and thought to explain it. Neither of tho…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:53 AM
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Nb. The OP's article refers to more than one study. Here's the one the title is talking about: http://www.terry.uga.edu/~cornwl/research/cmvp.genderdiffs.pdf Still doesn't mention feminism, but it does show that sexism plays a part in boy's lowering scores.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:44 AM
2

Yeah, noticed that too.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:38 AM
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Except that they're wrong about this too. The original study contains no mention of feminism. It's primary conclusion seems to be that further research should be done into gendered teaching methods.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:33 AM
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Yep, downvoted for that very reason. Although I will say that it's perfectly appropriate to attack feminist institutions where they cause, or worsen, men's rights issues. Have you reposted the study or do you mind if I do it? Edit: That report isn't the one which attributes boys lower scores to teacher bias. This is: http://www.terry.uga.edu/~cornwl/research/cmvp.genderdiffs.pdf It still doesn't specifically mention feminism, but it does show that sexism is clearly playing a role.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:25 AM
1

So if I get in a fight with my friend and hit her in the solar plexus, I'm just hitting her, but if I punch her in the boob, I'm committing an act of hatred against all women?
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:22 AM
1

Written consent is useless: You'd still have to prove that they didn't withdraw consent /s
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:21 AM
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It's a mr issue to show that women at not morally superior, but it's not an mr issue to demonize women or to name and shame random women who did evil things. I agree, but I'm a bit confused by your post, are you saying that this is pointing out a double standard or demonising women?
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:13 AM
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The person I was thinking of was actually quite anti-feminist, but I'd agree that most women (actually, most people) don't like being peppered with consent forms every few seconds.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 12:33 AM
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I'd make an exception where transrights and men's rights overlap, like challenging things like the radfem conference 2013.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:58 PM
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I've heard some transpeople express that very opinion. Some of them opt not to have surgery and instead try to live as ungendered a lifestyle as possible.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:56 PM
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Transrights typically aren't men's rights issues (or women's rights issues) except where one gender over the other is singled out for particular prejudice. One example of this would be the claim that transmen are less relatively visible or that transwomen are less likely to be accepted as their identified gender (particularly by aforementioned radfems). As for accepting transpeople as being the gender they claim to be? You're partially right, in that SRS (sex reassignment surgery) doesn't automa…
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:55 PM
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Honor killings are often described by feminist commentators as evidence of men excercising power over women. If women do it too then clearly it's a human issue, rather than something wrong with men.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:43 PM
1

I commented on the thread essentially what you just said here. I have never once in my entire life had a dialogue of request for consent and response. Not once. I've talked about stuff beforehand plenty of times, but only once in the middle of things, she told me to stop asking XD
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:36 PM
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Like I said, happily nothing to do with us :) Apparently reddit knows bs when it sees it.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:29 PM
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It wasn't a serious question, I was being sarcastic. Morally neither of us raped/was raped, we both very clearly consented to everything. Legally (in Ireland at least) we had consentual sex.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:26 PM
1

I'd agree that studies often make conclusions not backed up by their data (if that's what you meant). For instance, I've seen one study in this area which claimed that the children of gay parents had poorer outcomes by including the children of opposite sex parents, whose marriage ended due to one parent coming out, in with the "gay" set, and only including continually married opposite sex parents in the "straight" set. As for the studies which have compared like with like though, there generall…
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:21 PM
1

I'd be able to laugh at that if it weren't for the fact that it's a real issue :(
/r/MensRights20/04/13 08:22 PM
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They seem to be plunging steeply down. And I don't attribute that to us either: They're at -12 right now and this post is only +2.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 08:14 PM
1

What?
/r/MensRights20/04/13 08:02 PM
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It's already been made an issue for them, they're merely responding to unfounded criticism.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:49 PM
1

Just read your article, it's fantastic :) It's really absurd how the PotUS can publicly screw around with established facts like this.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:48 PM
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A friend of mine who studies women's issues, stereotyping, prejudice, that sort of thing -- she told me their rule of thumb is, "if you find yourself wondering whether consent has been given, chances are that it has not been given." But that poster tells us to wonder about it all the time...
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:43 PM
2

Even then, people often (usually?) give nonverbal consent to sex through their actions and body language. I would oppose a law which requires that only initial verbal consent be considered valid. What happened the number of times I had sex with a partner and neither of us explicitly said "yes"? Did we rape each other?
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:41 PM
3

They aren't being singled out as being more valuable, they're being referred to as a counterargument against the false claims that the group is undiverse and/or prejudiced. Equality is equality, and skin and gender shouldn't mean a damn thing, but when a group has been accused of making such attributes an issue it's important for them to point out that, actually, they don't. Their diversity is evidence of that fact.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:38 PM
2

It won't work on the people spreading the disinformation, but it might make the people who have been subject to it think twice.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:35 PM
14

"Bullying" Read: Someone tipped off the venue about the nature of what they were hosting again.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:03 PM
5

Why are you surprised, alot of people feel very threatened by the idea of an active and healthy discussion on men's rights. Disinformation is their first and last line of defence.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 07:01 PM
9

I'd say that was a case of miss-typing.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:59 PM
5

In Ireland he would have been required to refer the matter to the DPP (kindof like an attorney general) who would then have determined if an "element of coercion" was involved. Element of coercion is undefined, and if the act in question is PIV sex between a male and female minor the female partner explicitly can't be charged under any circumstances on the basis that "girls don't rape because they run the risk of pregnancy."
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:51 PM
3

This is not needed. We don't need poster boys and girls to fill a demographic. The black, female, and gay members of the MRM are just as valuable as the white men, and to pander like this feels wrong to me. Who says they're poster boys? I see no reason to assume they're not every bit as much members of the community as everyone else. It's not pandering or belittling to point out that a group is diverse, especially in the context of unfounded accusations of prejudice.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:46 PM
4

It's important to point out because MRA groups are constantly accused of being racist and homophobic, even if there's no actual evidence of such prejudice.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:45 PM
-3

Downvoted. This kind of thing belongs on /r/MensRightsMeta
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:43 PM
1

That's not a study, that's an opinion. Can you give an example of an academic author saying such a thing? An example of a study would be the national longtitudinal study of adolescant health, 2004, which found (based on a representative sample of 1,200 families) that the children of same sex parents had pretty much identical outcomes to those of opposite sex parents.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:38 PM
1

Is it not at least possible that she did it as an act of hatred against him, rather than men in general?
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:27 PM
1

Ah, my bad XD
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:26 PM
1

I suspect that most women want the jobs they're brought up to want, just like men. For some women this means being a hyper-feminist exec, for most it seems to mean keeping house. It's not a question of moral judgement, just how we were all brought up.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 12:24 PM
1

*balkans The balkans are basicly the coastline between Italy and Greece. The caucasus are the mountains between Russia and Asia Minor.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 12:20 PM
1

I wonder how many of the police and firefighters trying to save people were women. If you think the gender of the bomber says something about the moral character of men then you can't have it both ways.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 12:17 PM
1

His lawyer advised him to take the bargain because he knew there was a good chance he'd be convicted based on her word against his. In a working justice system there would have been no bargain to make.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 12:07 PM
1

While being threatened with prosecution. The reason he took the deal (and was advised to take the deal) was because he knew that, if he didn't, his liberty would be staked on someone else's opinion and he'd get a much harsher sentence. He should never have been faced with prosecution in the first place, let alone offered a deal.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 12:05 PM
2

Why am I not surprised.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 12:02 PM
2

4chan, it could be anyone.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 12:00 PM
2

From what I can see it was mostly due to a reaction from the python dev community, rather than specifically MRAs.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:59 AM
1

Glad to hear it :) It belongs there.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:58 AM
2

Well, maybe, the article doesn't give a victim impact statement. She certainly risked giving them psychological trauma though, even if he turns out to be ok. Labelling alcahol as candy? -shudder- I hope she sees time.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:54 AM
-1

Possibly, but unless she started screaming stuff about all men being pigs that would be pretty hard to prove.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:52 AM
2

So if I try to kill you, but I screw it up, it's all ok? Better luck next time?
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:50 AM
6

She does, it's the fact that noone says this when the offender is male and the victim is female that's the issue. When women commit crimes they "need help," when men commit crimes they "need to be locked up."
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:49 AM
3

I don't have an issue with single gendered spaces, but I'm pretty sure plenty of men feel like that too. At any rate, I agree with his proposed fixes, either men shouldn't have to pay for the hours the gym isn't available to them or they should have similar facilities available.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:34 AM
1

So if a study examines the actual outcomes of children of gay parents relative to straight, and finds virtually no difference, that's worth as much as your opinion? You'll forgive me if I'm inclined to side with the data.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 11:15 AM
2

Good for you, it's a very important question to ask people. I'd suggest you have a look at the 2010 CDC study on sexual violence and see what happens to the figures then "forced envelopment" is included in the figures for rape.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 10:04 AM
1

He got so many downvotes at first I wasn't sure ;)
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:35 AM
1

Because they contradict your opinion? /:)
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:34 AM
1

Good for you. I just keep hearing "It worked fine for me so why does anyone have any problem with it?"
/r/MensRights04/04/13 10:53 AM
1

Me too :) Homophobia (in my experience) tends to have a slightly different character than just fear of unwanted sexual advances, it's often a fear of having one's sexual identity (and possibly gender) called into question. Which isn't usually the case with a straight person who is made to feel uncomfortable by a person of the opposite sex. Not that one is any better/worse than the other, they're both bad, but they are two very different things.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 10:45 AM
1

The ones I read were based on statistical studies of gay vs straight parents in Sweden and Spain (two countries where gay marriage has been legal for quite a while). They found no difference in outcome. Edit: Just been reading around, there are a few studies which show the children of gay parents as having worse outcomes, but they included gay parents who had recently come out and were going through divorces with their straight former partners, so it's hardly surprising.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 10:39 AM
1

They do even worse. You sure about that? There's been quite a few studies examining the success rates of gay vs. straight parents and the conclusion has generally been "there's no real difference."
/r/MensRights03/04/13 11:50 PM
2

Well said.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 11:40 PM
6

Does he get paid even if none of us buy anything?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:51 PM
2

Seriously? FFS. I suppose it's to be expected though given Germany's image problem in that area.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:46 PM
1

I can think of a few reasons, for instance: Maybe they have a policy of not making the details of internal disciplinary matters public?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:45 PM
3

I'd agree to an extent, but do male role models have to be a boy's parent, or can they be teachers/family-friends/public figures etc?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:42 PM
-2

No problem, I posted the wrong stuff here too before.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:41 PM
1

Well, it is in Germany, but that's the only country afaik.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:23 PM
6

Is it just me or is this particularly literally "infantalisation"? She basicly got grounded.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:01 PM
27

A woman can't teach a boy how to be a man. Not sure I agree, I've known some pretty respectable men raised by single mothers, and if women can't raise boys then why do lesbian parents do ok? I think it would be better to say that men aren't any less able to parent than women.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 08:00 PM
4

Reported and downvoted. Sorry, but this kind of thing belongs on /r/MensRants /r/MRAHumor or /r/mrmemes :(
/r/MensRights03/04/13 07:55 PM
9

Ok, so he's just a salesman? less disgusting I guess.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 07:42 PM
1

They're not required to, they don't exist to explain themselves to us. If I were one of the parents I'd be pretty ticked off though.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 07:34 PM
2

It's a completely loaded statement, and like I mentioned it completely ignores the fact that women can be homophobic too.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 07:28 PM
1

I'd pretty much agree with that.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 07:01 PM
3

I don't think they got the reference... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ai7w8Ar4uOc/UMbPGTBQtbI/AAAAAAAAA2w/gktJ4EQrRS4/s1600/animal_farm.jpg
/r/MensRights03/04/13 06:15 PM
1

Yes, and those people have a name: Idiots.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 06:11 PM
4

Everyone likes to pretend there are only egalitarians here for "the cause," but I'm sure quite a few traditionalists have popped in here and decided they like the direction MRA is going as well. Who ever said the MRM has to be exclusively traditionalist or progressive? Both groups have their own opinions on the nature of gender and useful contributions to make to discussions of men's rights.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 06:10 PM
11

Clearly you don't know who you are posting about. He mods nearly 100 reddit. Just had a look around, you seem to be right about him modding alot of reddits, but that still leaves the question: why on earth is he advertising faux-misogynistic humour on men's rights?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 06:03 PM
3

If you're doing extra duties you should get more pay period, seniority be damned.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 04:34 PM
4

Aren't these two statements contradictory? Yes, the people who are uncomfortable can leave instead, but what are they going to do, build a new locker room for prudes only? Not contradictory at all. If people want to change and shower publically they're welcome to do so, but they don't necessarily get to call the shots about what other members of the public do so. If people want to change privately that's ok too and those who wish to do so should be accomodated. And for all the gay guys saying yo…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 04:18 PM
3

"The points also apply to allies of the movement for equal rights for men, boys, and their children." Er, how do you mean? Those sound like terrible points for the allies of any movement. Actually, I even hate the term "ally," supporters are either a part of our movement or they aren't. Don’t demand that those you are supporting produce proof of the inequality they are working to resist. Noone is immune to having to prove their claims Do recognize that the shield of your privilege may blind you …
/r/MensRights03/04/13 04:13 PM
8

Wow, someone really hated this post, anything not arguing against the OP got a downvote, even RightsBot! Yep, that sounds like sexism alright. Edit: Seems to be an active thing, just got a nice fat downvote.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 04:02 PM
2

That might explain the pay difference, and possibly the cubicle, but it doesn't explain any other aspect of what he's described including the fact that she was proactively offered more money.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 04:00 PM
1

I'd keep an open mind, from what I saw it's possible the kid was genuinely outraged and wanted to do something.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:53 PM
7

Glad to hear it :D
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:47 PM
5

Yeah, noticed that. Are those sponsored links actually targeted at specific subs or are they keyword based?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:46 PM
7

just an asshole misogynist. I think it's more likely to be a pisstake, even misogynists tend to be a little more subtle.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:45 PM
4

Probably nothing as far reaching, but I'm certain there's at least a student charter guaranteeing equal access based on gender.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 03:35 PM
2

Nearly wrote an angry response, that was sarcasm right? ;)
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:50 PM
4

Complete guess based on the article posted in this thread, not surprised it's true though. If she told the children not to look at the photos and they did... that just makes it worse. It means she was aware she was keeping personal images on a school system and that kids would have access to them. She also must have known that, having told them not to do something like that, there's a good chance they would. I've no problem with them being punished, but suspension seems a bit much for something …
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:49 PM
5

5 million years is a long time. It's so far ahead it's hard to know what will even constitute human. Basicly this is a meaningless discussion no matter how you approach it.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:18 PM
5

I'm sure there is, hence "relevant laws with regard to inclusivity"
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:16 PM
1

Not that I disagree, but I can't see how this relates to the topic any more...
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:15 PM
4

Even if she quit, they were right to kick up a fuss: Why on earth should she have to change with the guys if she doesn't want to?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:14 PM
15

I keep hearing that homophobia is "the fear that men will treat you the way you treat women all the time." Now, ignoring the fact that women can be homophobes too, are we supposed to learn from this that, because it's not ok for a straight man to feel uncomfortable and objectified around gay men, it must also not be ok for women to feel uncomfortable and objectified around men?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:13 PM
2

Speaking as a bi guy, if someone felt uncomfortable showering/changing with me I'd completely support their right to privacy. Not everyone is ok with getting naked around people who might be into them and there's nothing inherant about playing sports that requires team-mates to get naked together (although it might be different for some other things, like military units, where being in the field necessitates a lack of privacy). If, on the other hand, they want me out of the locker room they can …
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:10 PM
1

Ah, fair enough. Yep, obviously Y-chromosome specific disorders aren't all that worrying to women.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:59 PM
1

x-linked recessive disorders being more of negative consequence for men? Where is the disputed hypothesis in this? None, but then that's not what she said. The disputed hypothesis is the idea that the y-chromosome will die out altogether.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:48 PM
-2

Why did you expect them to be reasonable?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:33 PM
1

It's been covered in mainstream newspapers. Some details are off but this actually happened.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:27 PM
1

Also, being expelled for a teacher accidentally sending you a nude photo is crazy. I agree with the rest, but we don't actually know about this bit. Firstly, they were suspended, not expelled. Secondly, we don't know what they were suspended for, I doubt it was for "just looking."
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:26 PM
3

Ok, there isn't really enough detail there to comment. I'd imagine that the students in question were suspended for something more than "just seeing the photo." As for the teacher, according to the article it was a mistake, and she is "facing action" as a result, even if she isn't being fired, which sounds about right. My own guess goes as follows: School give teacher an iPad for work, along with guidelines about use/misuse. Like many work phones/tablets the iPad ends up getting used for persona…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:24 PM
4

Did the kid come up with that or was he just reading a script? If the latter then I'd tend to agree.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:16 PM
3

TW: Feministing Damn, I thought that was an actually a quote for a moment.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:11 PM
1

It's not even "scientific fact" it's a "disputed hypothesis" accompanied by several unscientific and questionable comments. Edit: Maybe she didn't mean to tie in to the whole "end of men" crap, but as a geneticist one would think she'd be aware of the political complications associated with her field.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:04 PM
6

Isn't Title IX a US thing?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:01 PM
6

Well said CAFE
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:58 PM
1

Couldn't find that in the article. What happened exactly?
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:36 PM
16

I just emailed the publication asking them to pass on my contact details, I'm going to try to get in touch with the people involved to see if they need help fundraising. If they do it might be a good activism project for /r/MR
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:25 PM
11

Another one? Interesting, they're joining a trend which does their argument no favours.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:16 PM
14

The latter part is unlikely to work, when you join a university you enter into a contract with them which includes paying your fees. It would probably be more practical for them to look up the student charter and relevant laws with regard to inclusivity and see if the SU even has the right to block the group.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:15 PM
3

In fairness, this is the SU's action, not the university admins.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:14 PM
2

By the same argument vaginal birth is "bad design" and our trend towards larger craniums is "bad news for all the women out there."
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:04 PM
4

Also, even if it were, that's hardly "bad news for all the men out there." No individual that makes it to birth will be affected by a declining Y cromosome. It's possibly "bad news for all the humans out there" given that, if her predictions were correct, the entire species is going to stop reproducing.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:01 PM
1

Sorry, just noticed it went up by 12 cases, not 1. Still the data set is way too small to conclude anything from that. It would be more accurate to say that the number of reports went from "really really low" to "slightly higher, but still really really low"
/r/MensRights03/04/13 11:57 AM
1

There's bits of movember aimed at women, they aren't expected to raise more than the men to partake (any participation is welcome). That said, if there is an organisation associated with movember which is excluding women then I'd say women have every right to feel sore.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:50 AM
1

If women were being expected to contribute around 40 times what men were I'd say that's something to complain about alright.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:48 AM
1

Old news and from an account with no posting history.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:43 AM
21

She's an evolutionary geneticist and she thinks genes were designed? Oh dear... Edit: Also, aren't all genes "mostly junk"? I was under the impression that the majority of our genome doesn't actually do anything any more.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:41 AM
2

Answer: Yes. I'm not sure I agree that this sub is conservative geared, if anything it's pretty mixed. MRA means someone who advocates for men's rights, there's nothing in those three words which excludes most other liberal causes (or most conservative causes for that matter).
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:31 AM
1

One in five? It was one in six last year. He must be behind the times: According to the internet yesterday it's one in two.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:29 AM
3

Given that definition I (male) was sexually assaulted by both men and women multiple times in college.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:29 AM
3

While both are important issues, I think it makes more sense to directly compare men's right to opt out of parenthood to women's right to opt out of parenthood: Adoption. Abortion is a slightly different issue.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:25 AM
5

This should be number one on this page.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:21 AM
1

Don't come to reddit for this answer, only a lawyer can answer this. Keep in mind that the people who answered don't even know were you live: so they can hardly know what jurisdiction they're referring to.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:19 AM
1

Depends how drunk, he said "a few drinks."
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:17 AM
2

Encouraging, but I couldn't help but notice this: In 2009, there were 66 reports of ­inappropriate touching on the T. That number decreased to 54 in 2010, and 43 in 2011. But in 2012, the number of reports crept back up to 55, according to T officials. Oh for god's sake an increase of one case is clearly a statistical fluctuation, not some kind of dangerous trend.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 01:00 AM
1

Over in 2x, a woman defended the men's rights movement, to the point where those of us who had been burned by this subreddit had to admit logic and love was on it's side....and a duly self appointed MRA representative called her spineless. Apparently, we're either with you in all things, or against you, in all things. It's just the same mentality as radical feminism, disguised with a dick. I think your problem is that you're expecting ~66,000 human beings to act in the same, homogenous, reasonab…
/r/MensRights03/04/13 12:39 AM
1

Ah, fair enough, never trust a jimmie rustler.
/r/MensRights29/03/13 07:38 PM
2

Sounds nice, I would like more academic studies and intellectual debate, but I think the relative open and deregulated nature of the sub is valuable.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 06:22 PM
1

I'd tend to agree, but it's an area with alot of leeway for skew and bias.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 06:13 PM
1

Afaik gay divorce varies hugely by jurisdiction, as does gay marriage. There haven't been enough gay divorces yet to say whether there's any difference overall.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:15 PM
3

Basically, if Feminism shits on you, you're one of us. That sentence has some strange connotation, but fuck it, it stays. Not sure I agree. Feminism sometimes shits on people who deserved to be shat on, like genuine racists and sexists. I don't think we have common ground with them just because some feminists also lump us in the same boat.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:14 PM
1

Ish, gender and sexuality are very closely related.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:12 PM
2

But what about the problems that happen because you're gay and a man, or trans and percieved as male/not accepted as male. I'd say there's a large overlap between the two movements, even if they're not 100% the same thing.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:12 PM
2

I think they're naive rather than malicious. I had a look at his posting in SRS and they seemed to mostly have pissed them off by being too egalitarian and not sticking to the party line that "misandry don't real."
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:10 PM
4

Just had a look, he seemed to be taking a gender egalitarian view with them and consequently had his posts deleted. I don't think he's a concernt troll.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:08 PM
-2

I've been a regular here for over a year and I can't see the difference between a few months ago and now.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 04:53 PM
8

There's no way you're going to convince everyone that your vision of men's rights it the "one true way." If you think MR needs more activism (as you define it) post it. Or found another sub with new rules. If you post a link here. I'll even subscribe.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 04:53 PM
4

Referring to opposition to the MRM doesn't in any way imply that all women are against men's rights, any more than referring to manboobz implies that all men (or even many men) are like Dave Futrelle. If anyone says "All women are sexist" or something equally stupid I'll downvote them, but you're confusing two issues here. Edit: Also, these posts belong on MR Meta, not MR Main.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 04:49 PM
8

Ironically, the most obvious example of such a problem is exclusion of trans women from women's events. Obviously there are problems with making that part of the Men's Rights platform, since women aren't men. It's a really weird situation, but despite the fact that transwomen identify as women and are identified as women by anyone who cares about their feelings (certainly I do anyway), their exclusion from some feminist groups is actually misandry: It's fuelled by an irrational fear of masculini…
/r/MensRights28/03/13 03:56 PM
1

Is it really censorship to have different levels of formality in different spaces though? It's not as if those words are necessary to get their idea across.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 12:06 PM
1

And will likely be namable again once a date is set for the retrial.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 12:57 AM
3

Right, but the title just says his conviction was quashed on the basis of the video, not that a retrial was ordered.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 06:24 PM
1

Ah, fair enough, I'm always curious about how people find us.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 04:02 PM
38

That title is really misleading. As it stands it sounds like they found him innocent based purely on a wedding video. In reality they ordered a retrial because at least some of her testimony was clearly proven false. I'm not sure what other evidence was available at the trial, but if the defence has to resort to this kind of thing then I'm guessing there isn't any cast iron physical evidence. One persons word should not be enough to put another person in prison.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 03:25 PM
2

I think you were probably right to end it, especially given how you felt about her, but running away like that was a pretty uncompassionate thing to do. I really think you should try to mend your bridges with her.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 11:30 AM
6

Firstly: When a quarter of all rape victims, that we know of, in the (US, civilian, non-incarcerated, settled) population is male, and the majority of their rapists are female, why on earth would such a message be directed only at "our sons"? Secondly: The vast majority of people know rape is wrong. Some of them do it anyway, this doesn't prove they were never taught not to. I'm pretty sure you'd agree we're taught that murder and theft are wrong as kids, but guess what? People still kill and st…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 11:15 AM
1

That's not the system working at all. If she still hasn't paid for her crimes she should be still in prison, if she has paid for her crimes then she should be able to move on with her life. I'd tend towards the former, but whichever way you look at it this is hardly justice.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 11:04 AM
1

When the heat turned up, she damselled and conned one of her cohorts into knocking her up so that she could get out as scott free as possible. And she still got treated less harshly than the males involved. All worthy topics of discussion, but none of that is in the article or mentioned by the OP. All there is to discuss her is the fact that, having served her time, she can't get a job. If she were a man we might be able to discuss that as a men's rights issue (on the basis that most ex-cons are…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 11:02 AM
0

Ok, so your position is that this is a case of the system being broken? PS Adhominems put your argument in a poor light. Not mine.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 10:59 AM
1

Good point actually.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 10:57 AM
1

That's pretty much exactly their argument actually. For a non monolithic movement, they certainly have pretty fixed expectations about what feminists can/can't believe.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 12:52 AM
6

The title is misleading: "Adult woman (pretending to be a 9 year old child)'s kickstarter campaign" would be more to the point.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 12:50 AM
3

Progress, it exists :D
/r/MensRights26/03/13 10:19 PM
3

It's a bit different: "Feminist" means whatever someone thinks/says it means. There are no true feminist. "MRA" means someone who advocates for men's rights. There's no implied ideological position.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 07:55 PM
1

Around a month ago and apparently most of feminisms and SRS think they're MensRights. The post announcing them got brigaded to hell and back.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 07:51 PM
4

Oh god, it's perfect, the (literal) feminist postergirl quit her job because she was afraid to face run of the mill workplace injuries so many male workers have to live with, married a rich professional and became a housewife. You couldn't make this stuff up!
/r/MensRights26/03/13 07:49 PM
1

Some of the comments begger belief. Apparently, if someone finds something offensive, noone else may question the reasonableness of their objection.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 07:10 PM
1

Was the joke something like "wow that rep is hot, she gets my dongle hard and I would love to fork her" Or was it closer to "check out that hot ass bitch, hope she likes a dongle up the ass while we rape her and pass her around for a good forking" According to the only available descriptions of the incident (the guy who got fired and Adria Richards) it wasn't like either. It was "I'd like to fork his repo (not a joke, an actual technical term)" and "I'll bet he has a big dongle (that one was a j…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 07:07 PM
2

Nonetheless, your original comment implied that anyone who wasn't a silent majority feminist was one of the loudmouthed assholes. That might not have been what you intended to say but that's how it reads to me. Just for clarity, I have no problem for the non-asshole feminists who post here, any more than I have a problem with the non-asshole anti-feminists. I just don't see either group as being more/less of a problem.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:51 PM
0

If it's a case of "The system works" the OP should probably have highlighted it. The raison d'etre of this sub is to point out examples of the system being broken.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:48 PM
1

Agreed, I respect this sub's hands off comments policy but it does allow for alot of ugliness. There is/was politemensrights but I don't think it's very active. Like it or not this is the main sub for the forseeable future.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:47 PM
5

I've seen feminist assholes on this sub too. MRAs have no monopoly on assholery.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:45 PM
1

Were you not aware of them? There was a huge fuss recently when feminism was picked for sub of the month and they weren't (apparently /r/feminism is an MR sub, lol)
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:44 PM
7

Great news!
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:42 PM
2

Nitpick alert. Just to point out: Flanders Fields was WW1, not WW2.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:07 PM
0

Exactly, we do, which needs to be emphasised (hence the poster). Besides, the woman upon whom the original is based quit that job almost immediately because she didn't want to hurt her hands. Hardly worthy of homage. Wow, seriously, did she actually? XD That's hilarious, do you have a link?
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:06 PM
1

Crap! Speaking of, I actually need to do some cleaning. But normally I'm good, honest!
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:04 PM
3

I like to picture "The Man's Realm" as some kind of arboreal kingdom where supremely muscled centaurs run around eating raw deer.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:03 PM
11

Not even just outside the house, fixing shelves, rehanging doors, oiling locks, assembling flatpacks... Women do these things too of course, just as men do the dishes, but it does tend to get overlooked.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:02 PM
4

Meh, I can take changing nappies, plus, it's only for the first two/three years if you're doing it right.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:00 PM
-1

Are you suggesting that being non/anti-feminist makes you an asshole? Not that there aren't very many assholes here but being an asshole is being an asshole, being a feminist or not is a separate and unrelated feature.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 05:59 PM
1

Love it :D That baby looks slightly scary though.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 05:56 PM
4

Well, yes, and in my experience the crazy-feminists typically aren't able to handle different opinions. Hence why I can't be friends with them. If I have to walk on eggshells around someone they're not a friend.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 05:54 PM
0

The OP might have made it more clear that this is an example of things actually working well. As it stands, I think this implies that he things things should be otherwise.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 05:52 PM
3

Other than the over-the-top censorship that place doesn't bother me so much. /r/feminisms on the other hand...
/r/MensRights26/03/13 05:51 PM
1

It's a composition class, not political science. The video has zero to do with the subject she's teaching. If you really want to fight this I'd suggest finding a few other like minded people in your class and fact-mine the hell out of similar depictions of men in advertising.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 04:04 PM
6

He's a guy who was studying gender studies in the London School of Economics. He left because the course materials were sexist and he sued them for false advertising (he even completed a statistical analysis of their course materials showing that they overwhelmingly referred to women's issues and only identified men as oppressors). The LSE backpeddled like crazy. First they claimed their reading list wasn't "required course materials" that it was just a list of suggestions, but the books in ques…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:59 PM
9

In my experience, it's best not to hang around with people who are too deeply feminist if you're an MRA. It's a bit of a timebomb. The moderates are ok, but the ones who insist that men are uniformly privileged are never actually going to be your friends.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:43 PM
8

Normally I hate these posts but, agreed. I can't see why this is here.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:38 PM
5

I can't believe I'm saying this, but how does this relate to men's rights? It's not highlighting the fact that women can be violent offenders too, her case is already more than well documented, and it's not highlighting any kind of double standard, I can't see how a man would be treated differently in this case.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:37 PM
10

Calling the police is no answer if the law is against you.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:22 PM
1

Ok, but in this particular case, the facts they're reporting seem to be exactly the same as those from other publications. Unless there's a specific distortion I've missed I don't see the issue in referring to their article.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:19 PM
5

Thank you, it was very important for you to say this because there are so many people out there that genuinely believe that women aren't capable of doing this and that all men are empowered to stop it if they do. I'm not sure if it's possible, but would you consider sharing your story (even anonymously) with a publication? It could mean alot.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 03:11 PM
10

"Work event"? It wasn't a business meeting or a client tech demonstration, it was a convention, and he was having a few jokes with his friend before a talk started. As it happens, I support both of their rights to say those things where they did, even though the legislator's comment was way off topic and based on false assumptions. But the comparison is perfectly valid. If donglegate had erupted over a man objecting to a woman referring to vaginas I have no doubt whatsoever that the discussion w…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 02:16 PM
3

I hear it's really rare though... /s
/r/MensRights26/03/13 02:10 PM
1

I'm guessing that's a lost in translation thing. Wow, that's really stupid. Women's bathrooms have long queues for a reason.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 02:03 PM
1

I can see where you're coming from but I don't think it makes a difference. The fact that this is being suggested at such high levels is of interest regardless who is pointing it out.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 02:01 PM
7

Can you link to that? Sounds like comedy gold (pun not intended)
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:49 AM
3

My point is that this is part and parcel of the kind of oppression that leads to women being raped, getting lower salaries, and being exposed to violence in relationships. You couldn't make this stuff up, sitting with your legs spread too much leads to rape.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:37 AM
10

Absolutely. I think one of the most problematic aspects of having such an extensive power structure is that a lot of people aren't even aware that how they act affects others. The dwarves pretended to spin the gold thread into oppression and they said it was so fine that only idiots were unable to see it. And so the feminists began photographing the oppression and writing blogs about it until a small child began laughing and said "The opression doesn't exist!"
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:35 AM
1

Ok, but they're by no means the only ones covering this: http://genusdebatten.se/2013/03/20/grav-2013-ljudinspelningen-avslojar-journalistkarens-sexism-och-logner/ http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/03/22/kultur/debatt/lordagskommentaren/kjetil_rolness/26348198/ http://www.friatider.se/forslag-gor-det-straffbart-kritisera-feminism http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/03/22/kultur/debatt/lordagskommentaren/kjetil_rolness/26348198/
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:26 AM
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It's been covered by quite a few other newspapers. I don't think they made it up. Just out of curiosity, where did you come across this post? Edit: From AC's link: http://genusdebatten.se/2013/03/20/grav-2013-ljudinspelningen-avslojar-journalistkarens-sexism-och-logner/ http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/03/22/kultur/debatt/lordagskommentaren/kjetil_rolness/26348198/ http://www.friatider.se/forslag-gor-det-straffbart-kritisera-feminism http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/03/22/kultur/debatt/lordagskommentare…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:24 AM
1

As in, on this subreddit. Like: "God that woman is such a bitch/he's a fucking manwhore." Stuff like that. I'm just wondering if you support the move towards making a rule against facebook posts do you also support the move against slurs? They're two very common suggestions on here.
/r/MensRights26/03/13 01:21 AM
1

Actually, yeah, good point, we should keep this place more serious. What's your opinion on abusive language out of interest?
/r/MensRights25/03/13 08:51 PM
1

More evidence of "Fund my life": My Mom said I can put any extra toward a laptop. I asked her if I raised even more than that, would she let me spend another week away at RPG camp. She said if I raised the money, she'd send me to RPG Camp all summer (which would be amazing because my friends at home are great but they're not really gamers like me so it'll awesome to hang out with hardcore gamers like me that are my age).
/r/MensRights25/03/13 07:47 PM
3

It doesn't exactly read like a 9 year old wrote it, does it?
/r/MensRights25/03/13 07:44 PM
1

I'm guessing from the tone of the kickstarter that they probably won't see any of that money.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 07:36 PM
2

Can you imagine how those boys must feel right now? With their mother, very publicly, coming out against them like that?
/r/MensRights25/03/13 05:51 PM
3

White cis men. They must be the devil incarnate.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 04:30 PM
1

Agreed to an extent, but I think examples of sexism from facebook/wherever have their place too.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 04:11 PM
1

That's fantastic, really inspiring. Thanks for sharing. He seems like an incredibly forgiving guy.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 04:07 PM
5

Great article, thanks for sharing.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:58 PM
2

If they wanted to stop people advocating gender traditionalism they should have said so. Instead they used incredibly vague terms which could refer to anything from opposing women's right to vote (not reasonable) to advocating for the victims of false accusations (perfectly reasonable). Even then, is it really necessary to stop people from publicly voicing their views? I support laws which combat incitements to violence, other censorship doesn't belong. Edit: Also, that wasn't the only newspaper…
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:47 PM
1

I disagree. I think some, very specific and limited laws against hate speech are useful, like incitement to violence for example. More general ones excusing an entire ideology from criticism are abhorrent.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:44 PM
1

Depends, if a person is so drunk that they can't even remember who they slept with last night then that's rape (assuming the other person wasn't similarly drunk of course). It's a shades of grey kind of thing rather than pure black and white.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:41 PM
2

Been there, apparently I'm a racist homophobe reactionary because I question the idea that men are all that privileged. The projection out of some of these people is just delightful. They could find work in a cinema.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:31 PM
5

That's brilliant :D Thanks for sharing!
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:18 PM
2

I'm pretty sure she did anyway, but compounding the punishment by hanging them out to dry for the whole internet to see is pretty much child abuse.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:13 PM
5

Words are not enough... If I had a kid that said something mean like that to another kid I'd tell them off and reassure kid B. I absolutely wouldn't publish pictures of them all over the internet, turn Kid B into some kind of cause celebre and demonise Kid(s) A. Why the heck does she even need $800 to make an RPG? The internet is literally littered with tutorials and free RPG maker programs.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 03:10 PM
2

They're probably trying to backpeddle about the Steubenville thing.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:57 PM
3

Even if the number were as low as 2-8%, that's still thousands of people every year who have their liberty put at risk for no good reason. The issue with this is the perception of the proportion of false claims versus reality. That same article reports that college students believe that 50% of reported cases are false. That's the real issue to me - that someone, whether male or female, reports a sexual assault and is immediately written off. "She came to this bar wearing that, she was obviously …
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:49 PM
1

Exactly.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:13 PM
1

Too late, there's no way to define those things after a term passes into widespread use. It'd be like trying to define feminism.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 02:12 PM
0

Mutton is meat from mature sheep. It's still available, it's just not eaten as often. Lamb is meat from lambs. -checks wikipedia- Apparently there's also "hogget" which I've never heard of.
/r/MensRights24/03/13 12:03 AM
1

Oh, sure, that makes sense.
/r/MensRights24/03/13 12:01 AM
2

I was under the impression that most of the male calves went the veal/rennet route... Edit: At any rate, even if they do make it to adulthood, their destiny is still beef :(
/r/MensRights23/03/13 11:57 PM
2

There is something to that, but generally speaking I suspect that if you pulled a woman off the street and asked her "Is it ok to have sex with an unconcious man" she'd say "No."
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:26 PM
1

I can't see the feminist rape-advocacy organisations like RAINN going for anything that involves admitting women rape too.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:22 PM
14

And how women adopting what she identifies as a male archetype is somehow reinforcing said gender roles. Oh the irony. Not to mention that most women eat meat too, it's hardly a male only pastime.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:14 PM
5

But he's so good at sports!
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:11 PM
2

Oh god, not that crap again. We say "beef" and "veal" rather than cow and baby-cow because we've developed a complex vocabulary for foodstuffs which were an important part of our ancestor's lives. If we have such a huge need to erase animal names from the meat counter how come I can buy lamb?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:10 PM
2

Not to mention that nearly all milk (and hence, cheese) production involves the slaughter of the calves which would otherwise drink it. Her moral highground is more of a trench.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:04 PM
1

I assumed that from the headline too, this is ridiculous.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:02 PM
11

So this means that women don't eat meat?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:02 PM
4

Speaking as a vegan: This is fucking nuts.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 08:00 PM
2

Oh did she? I missed that bit. Fair enough then.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 07:57 PM
1

It sounds likely, in both the US and the UK it's impossible to consent to assault (a fact which makes spanking and hickies illegal) so it's pretty likely that sex while asleep is out too.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 07:57 PM
1

Oh, fair enough then. Which legal system out of curiosity?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:00 PM
1

Think so ;)
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:58 PM
2

We do to the kind of person who's definition of misogyny is "talking about men" or "questioning a feminist"
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:54 PM
2

Mostly the people on here hate rape (just like everyone else), we just don't go as far as saying that accusers should be assumed to be telling the truth on the basis that sometimes they're not. In some people's minds this means that we "don't believe in rape." I can live with their disapproval to be honest.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:51 PM
2

if I were dating a guy who liked to fuck me while I was passed out I would feel really violated. Well fair enough, it's your right to say "no I don't like that". But don't you think the people who do like that kind of thing should be able to consent to it, and have their consent taken seriously?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:47 PM
1

Not sure about where you're from, but there was a case in Canada a while back where a woman gave permission to a man to have sex with her while she was unconcious (they were into asphixiation). She later changed her mind and reported the incident to the police. She eventually admitted that she'd given permission but the court ruled that it didn't count and that a person can't permit someone else to have sex with them while NCM.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:45 PM
2

I've given permission to people before to initiate sex while I was asleep, they did so, I don't agree that I was raped or had my consent violated.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:43 PM
3

I've fallen asleep with a partner (after telling them I was tired and didn't want to continue) and repeatedly woke up to them groping me and, well, trying to keep going. I eventually moved to the floor. It was more annoying than traumatising but it still shows that women aren't the consent-aware angels some feminists seem to think. I'd done stuff like that with another partner before, but only after we'd discussed it and agreed that it was ok. This was out of the blue with no discussion or conse…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:38 PM
0

Again, it doesn't matter whether or not it's the worst thing that ever happened to someone. That's the point. The people who spend time trying to portray rape as the worst thing possible aren't trying to deal with the issue, they're exploiting it for political leverage.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:30 PM
1

I think in the case of the saner ones it's more ignorance than devillment. She probably isn't aware that women rape too or that most men aren't rapists.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:26 PM
5

I'm wondering what he said.sends like an odd thing to be upset about. It's a very odd thing to be upset about. He made a joke about the size of someone's "dongle" to a friend of his while waiting for a presentation to start.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 04:09 PM
5

Exactly. The discussion about rape is dominated by oppression olympics crap about how it's the worst thing that could possibly happen to anyone. The fact that this woman doesn't buy into that is promising.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:49 PM
15

Did you read to the end? She says "We have to teach men not to rape."
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:47 PM
1

clothing is irrelevant after the crime was commited, its only relevant to reduce the chance to get victimized It can also be relevant as circumstantial evidence.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:32 PM
47

Nasty bunch of words. Thanks for digging them up.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 03:22 PM
1

I thought that was a bit weird, but, in fairness, she could be studying biology.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 01:20 PM
2

Agreed, that should absolutely be taken into consideration, and if someone had been arrested I'd hope to hell she'd get a bit more than "counselling."
/r/MensRights23/03/13 01:20 PM
1

I'd agree that the justice system needs to include rehabilitation, but an important part of the system is deterrence. If troubled people know they can get attention and sympathy by ruining someone's life, guess what they're going to do?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 01:17 PM
1

Well, for instance, if she's a compulsive liar the consellor might be able to teach her coping techniques.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 01:15 PM
1

I agree, but in this particular case she didn't actually accuse an individual. It was a case of "some puerto-rican guy." The chances of anyone actually ending up in prison were fairly slim. If she'd accused an ex boyfriend or something she should have the book thrown at her.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 01:14 PM
10

If she'd accused a specific individual or someone had actually been arrested over it I'd say she should get whatever that person stood to lose if they'd been convicted. As it stands... she's guilty of wasting police time and scaring people. I'd say a fine and community service are enough. Counselling should be offered, but it's not justice in and of itself. People pay to go to counselling, getting it for free isn't a punishment.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 01:11 PM
4

Actually I agree about that, I think we'd do ourselves alot of favours by insisting on cleaner language. I posted something to that effect here previously but the reaction was mixed. When I said that "noone is a cancer in the MRM" I meant that we shouldn't be picking and choosing which ideologies are/aren't compatible. So long as someone acknowledges men's rights issues, and has something to say about them, they fit the definition and have a place here.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:48 PM
1

The only question is whether a labour court is likely to see sexism against men as still being sexism. I'm guessing she has a good chance.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:44 PM
0

All that means is that she had her phone with her. It's very easy to take pictures and tweet things these days. That's how they sell smartphones in the first place ;) Yep, true, but I'm more inclined to think that she's just a particularly nutty feminist rather than a walking conspiracy.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:16 PM
3

It's absolutely wrong and I never said it wasn't objectification. I said it isn't proof that her actions were the product of a culture which encouraged her to rape men. They were the product of an individual who knew full well rape was wrong but tried to do it anyway.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:13 PM
1

So the joke wasn't sexist, but someone was offended by it because other people allegedly made sexist jokes in completely unrelated instances? That's just ridiculous, it's more like an imaginary straw making an (unladen) camel pretend their back is broken.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:11 PM
1

So you agree that the IT sector has a culture of firing anyone who makes a joke which is even mistaken for being sexist? Hardly the den of misogyny the Adrias of this world would like to pretend it is. I ignore jokes I don't like all the time, do I get to be a martyr too?
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:08 PM
-1

4chan for one. The news about the guy being fired for saying "dongle" and her contribution to the situation was all over the internet. Just because you don't like MRAs doesn't mean that they're responsible for everything you disagree with.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:05 PM
1

Clearly racism or something /s
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:55 PM
5

Nah, I think it's more likely that she goes everywhere with that attitude, and just happened to hear the joke at pycon.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:55 PM
1

Nice collection :D
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:53 PM
2

Well if one rapist is guilty they all must be. Believe the victim! /s
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:44 PM
3

She also described the people who helped them prove their innocence as "rape loving scum." Decent article about it here: http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/marcotte-and-empathy-a-letter-to-the-editor/
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:43 PM
6

"The men who were making sexual jokes and creating an unsafe space at a professional conference in specific violation of the code of conduct were wrong. I do not support them." Oh wow, making a double-entendre about the word "dongle" is a health and safety hazard now? XD Not to mention that, at the time, they weren't violating the code of conduct at all. It's been updated since to appease the Adrias of this world.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:41 PM
2

Great comic :D But doesn't that belong here?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:54 PM
15

There's guys out there who do this to women too, but I don't agree that there's a culture encouraging unconsentual sex with either gender. I seriously doubt the woman in this story would happily tell her parents how she had sex with someone who was passed out asleep. She knew it was wrong, she just decided to do it anyway, because that's what rapists do.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:49 PM
3

Well done, and thank you for sharing. Even if your friend has said the next day that you should have let her have sex with him you still did the right thing: he was in no condition to consent at the time. Kudos!
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:46 PM
2

It does look that way from the cover but Sigil seems to have actually read the rest of it and found it full of the usual same old...
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:40 PM
1

Oh, fair enough. It's probably like you said then. I just wasn't sure if you were going by the picture or actually knew something about them.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:32 PM
1

Fair enough then. That's clearly dragging them into the mess.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:25 PM
1

I'd imagine major companies do. Sendgrid is a startup so it's understandable that they mightn't have the necessary alarm bells to catch this kind of thing early.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:23 PM
1

Have you seen the rest of the leaflet? From what the OP posted it could be either way. Maybe it's "Sexual violence is something that happens to women but it's up to everyone to stop it" and maybe it's "Sexual violence can happen to anyone and everyone has a part to play in stopping it." I was just pointing out that it's a little ambiguous.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:20 PM
3

“I think there’s a problem finding mentors,” Sawyer said. If you're persuing a career because someone who looks like you or has the same peeing apparatus also persued that career then you're probably in it for the wrong reasons.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 04:07 PM
1

True.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 04:00 PM
1

Ok, if the account is part of her job then that's strike two. I'd been under the impression it was a personal account.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:59 PM
-1

Except that it wasn't even casual sexism. It was a dick joke.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:58 PM
1

They were standing behind her right up until their existence was threatened. Maybe. They didn't fire her until she tweeted "SendGrid supports me in this" thus implying association between them and her political views. I suspect that may have been the straw which broke the camel's back. Edit: Also, anonymous attacks rarely go very far beyond DDOSing and annoying phonecalls. They're pretty easy to deal with.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:52 PM
1

They said something about "Forking his Repo." which is a non-sexual technical term for using someone else's code to start a new project. They did make a sexual joke about the size of a "dongle" but it wasn't directed at anyone and was more of a pun than any kind of serious joke.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:49 PM
1

That was my first reaction, but if AVfM ever out someone for something as stupid as making a vagina joke they'll lost alot of support, and rightly so.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:47 PM
-5

She got alot of nasty emails alright, but I'm not convinced that the group that did it can be summed up as "a bunch of MRAs." Alot of groups were pissed off with what she did.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:40 PM
0

My opinion: They're screwed. It's not about public opinion anymore.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:38 PM
1

My comment was awaiting moderation last night too. Gone now.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:35 PM
2

They're not going to give him his job back. Even if nothing else, if they offered to take him back then firing him in the first place was de-facto wrongful dismissal. Hopefully he'll get a job elsewhere though.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:31 PM
22

Scrolled down through the comments. Naturally there was a few of the "Men are rarely/never raped, we shouldn't even be talking about it." Self. Fulfilling. Bloody. Prophecy. :(
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:28 PM
2

Agreed. I posted this because the comments were saying more or less exactly that. Not sure what his motivation was for apologising, maybe he genuinely thought he'd done wrong, but imho he had no reason to.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:22 PM
2

Agreed, I mostly posted the link for the comments. I don't think he really has anything to apologise for.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:20 PM
6

I'm not a Libertarian, but noone is a "cancer in the MRM." Anyone who acknowledges men's rights issues and has something to say about them has a place here. It's not up to individual MRAs to decide which ideologies belong or not beyond that.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:19 PM
0

Meh, It's 4chan doing what 4chan does best: Pissing in the well. The only way to deal with a 4chan raid is to get DDOS protection (which is worth having anyway) and to ignore them. Taking them seriously is giving them exactly what drives them to do it in the first place. As for terrorism? Comparing shutting down someone's server for a few hours to detonating an IED in a crowded market doesn't really fit. They're not out for blood, they're out for attention.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:18 PM
1

But that's kind of the point... that twitter is her "office". Her entire job is networking and shit on social media, and her twitter quite clearly states her position at send grid. Was the twitter account she tweeted it on a company account or her personal one? If someone doxxed the account you're currently using would it be ok to fire you for the stuff you post here? As I said though, she quite clearly said "Sendgrid is with me on this"... or something along those lines, I'm sure you can find t…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:14 PM
1

Countless other times? You'll forgive me if I'm not terribly confident in her ability to spot actual sexism. I'm sure some people out there do make horribly sexist jokes in IT, but 1) This incident shows how quickly they get fired and 2) People generally don't choose a field of study on the basis of jokes made in a workplace they have yet to even visit. Blaming the lack of women in IT on workplace sexism is a very convenient and simple, but ultimately wrong answer.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:11 PM
1

There's two separate issues here: Parenthood and bodily autonomy. A more "like for like" comparison would be... "I have to pay child support if she has a baby, even though I don't want kids. If she has a baby she doesn't want she can give them up for adoption without even asking me."
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:00 PM
3

Fork you buddy! Fork you right in the dongle!
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:55 PM
0

That over-reaction was the responsibility over their company, not her. What she did was publicly criticise something someone said on a private blog. MRAs do that all the time, do we deserve to get fired for it? Also (being ruthlessly pragmatic about it) the developer who got fired wasn't the customer, the company he worked for was. If anything retaining her would have made them more likely to consider sendgrid than firing her. Edit: Just to be clear, I don't support her actions or ideas either, …
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:52 PM
2

I emailed him last night, I'll see if he gets back.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:48 PM
3

Well said, very upvoted :)
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:45 PM
1

Going down that route anyone who is publicly an MRA could be fired the moment there's a feminist backlash. After all: They're affecting the company's image by holding political beliefs that some people strongly disagree with.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:42 PM
-2

I agree.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:30 PM
1

Lol!
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:29 PM
1

I disagree with firing people for their political opinions period. Unless they bring it into the office it's none of their business. Same goes for the games developer that got fired. Ok, if she claimed her political views were those of sendgrid that makes things a little different. Where did she do this?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:29 PM
2

Me too! I mentioned this on the last post about this. Maybe a kickstarter?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:40 AM
-8

Actually: Even better than correct, sendgrid could have gotten a PR slamdunk by hiring the guy that got fired (assuming he was interested and qualified).
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:39 AM
3

Yeah, it's not their fault really. Wow! They actually rehouse the animals they test stuff on over there? I'm not from the US and I don't have space for a rabbit but if I did I'd totally take them :)
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:37 AM
1

In hindsight, not so much.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:36 AM
1

This is great news! But my own personal gripe: Was animal testing really necessary for this? It's not like it's some horribly toxic chemophagic drug which could kill someone.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:32 AM
-10

Criticism without the insults, and her job keeping out of it. Unless she was tweeting on behalf of her company or representing her company in some regard, I don't agree that what she did should have any bearing on her job. On the same basis I argue that the guy's joke, unless made while representing the company, should have been none of his boss's business.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 02:23 AM
-11

This is a really great article, I hope it gets alot more upvotes. Firing her and slinging insults were exactly the wrong things to do. The only thing it achieved was to make her into a martyr.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:05 AM
-1

I don't think she should be fired at all. I think she deserves all the ridicule she gets but that guy's job was terminated by his company, not Adria Richards.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:52 AM
9

Richards explained her perspective on her blog, But You’re a Girl, saying she took the comments for as long as she could, but when she saw a picture of a little girl onstage, she felt she needed to make a stand for her and all the women who have not considered technology as a career path “because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so.” Riiight. Women don't persue careers in coding because of jokes about "forking" and "donglas." Keep in mind that the joke wasn't even …
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:50 AM
2

Sorry to be a downer, but are you sure that when they say "sexual violence" they actually mean "sexual violence" rather than "sexual violence against women"? I hope it's not, but that flyer looks like it could be right at home with the "men need to work to stop violence against women" crowd.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:42 AM
2

Some of his ideas involve gender essentialism, but mostly what I've seen him say is that we need less gender essentialism and more freedom from gender and mutual understanding. He's a bit of a hippy really ;) The term comes from the greek work "kyrie" meaning "lord." I set alot of stock by etymology when it comes to meaning. Definitions are all well and good, but everyone has their own private ideas about what complex words mean. When a word has a clear etymology leading back to simpler words it…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:39 AM
1

Nope, I'm complaining that she used examples of nasty comments to damsel her kickstarter. Yes I've seen them, no, they aren't any worse than any other trolling I've ever seen, yes, I've been told the same and worse before, no, the age of the people saying them doesn't make a difference. And honestly to this day I don't understand what she has done that merited the outburst reaction she got. She put up a kickstarter asking for free games and claimed expert status in an area she'd shown in the pas…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:30 AM
1

Well, she's a retired judge, but the blurb that runs before the show heavily implies that she's still a judge and that the show depicts actual court proceedings. Alot of people get confused over that and wonder how a US court gets away with such loose practices. I know I did before I looked it up. They can't. Well, technically, they can. But they wouldn't be. You then have a new contract case to deal with, the contract made with the show. The only way for it to be overridden is if the show has m…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:22 AM
3

Holy crap that's terrible. How much would he need to keep it going? This really seems like an issue MR could pull together on and do some good.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 02:05 PM
9

It's important to keep in mind that she's not actually a judge and that's not actually a court, she's an arbitrator. The only way she has any power to make decisions on a case is if both sides sign a legal document agreeing to her terms. Even then, her rulings can be overridden in any court of law. So it's entirely possible she didn't allow the defendant to speak, there's virtually no obligation for her to let them do so.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 01:59 PM
1

She didn't have to. As far as I can see the only point at which she did was to screencap them and use them as leverage to promote her kickstarter. Like I said above, I have no problem with someone who disables comments because they don't feel like moderating them, I have less sympathy for someone who disables them because they feel the need to take trolls seriously.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 01:52 PM
2

Doubleplusgood duckspeaker!
/r/MensRights15/03/13 10:59 AM
1

I've seen some handles on beds, but they're cloth ones that tear off after two or three moves. I swear it's some kind of conspiracy.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 10:30 AM
1

I'm not so sure that he is. I haven't read Mary Daly's works, and I'm not really inclined to, but didn't she argue that the social structures she identified as patriarchal should be replaced by matriarchal ones, with women in power instead of men? Afaik she also argued for the reduction of the male population and was pretty transphobic. Granted this is based on quotes I've seen around the place, but I can't think of a context which would justify the ones I've seen. I haven't seen Farrell advocat…
/r/MensRights15/03/13 10:29 AM
1

The machine needed replacing anyway ;) Yeah, that orientation also meant it wasn't cooling properly, but the whole thing was on it's last legs so I didn't mind getting an extra month out of it.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 10:08 AM
1

Afaik she never allowed comments on her videos. The only video she allowed comments on was the kickstarter one, and she closed them once she had the money. I think "a repeat of what happened the last time" makes it sound a little more dramatic than it actually was. Most videos on youtube (certainly the political ones anyway) attract those kinds of comments, it's nothing rare or unusual.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 10:06 AM
1

Basicly he's a feminist academic with a bit of a murky past. He used to be an alcaholic and a sex addict but he turned his life around when he found god and feminism (and fair play to him). The trouble is that he tends to ascribe his former bad behaviour to patriarchal culture rather than the fact that he's a human being. This got him in the good books with alot of feminists, but then he published an article about something particularly awful he did and he got banned from one of the sites he reg…
/r/MensRights15/03/13 10:01 AM
2

Ugh, that's annoying.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:59 AM
2

Well, yes, but breeze blocks are easier to carry up stairs than a smooth metal box which is wider than my body and has no real handholds. Just my personal bitch and whine. Also, bed bases and desks should have handles. Ikea stuff is the worst for having no grips anywhere.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:59 AM
1

Meh. I won't say I've had that volume of abuse in such a short space of time (not even remotely famous enough), but I've had similar "threats" "stalking" and "heavy bullying" made against me before, on youtube and off it. I wouldn't have much trouble with her disabling comments if it was because she wasn't bothered to moderate them, but for any other reason I'd say she's taking it far too seriously.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:46 AM
2

I did something with my desktop once. The fan in the PSU started groaning horribly so I disassembled the entire thing and remounted it upside down. It solved the problem, but a few weeks later the thing fell into the casing, crashed into the motherboard, and fried the whole machine.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:33 AM
3

I used to haul those things around for a living. I was very angry the day I discovered most of the weight was inert ballast in the bottom of the thing. If they made it removable I swear my back would be five years younger XD
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:31 AM
1

What? So how do you check your oil levels now?
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:30 AM
4

Sorry, I may have been overly subtle, that last sentence was satire. Again, I'm not sure if it's been proven that one gender is actually more resilient to pain than the other, but I think it's definitely true that men are expected to put up and shut up as a part of the whole male-disposibility thing.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:26 AM
3

That's the trouble though, if that kind of feminism was unique to the 1980s (or 60s or 70s or wherever you think the cutoff point for "bad" feminism was) it wouldn't be such an issue. The thing is that there's still feminists like that today, especially when it comes to men's rights issues. Hence the opposition within the MRM. I'd agree that there's alot of interesting stuff coming from individual feminists who aren't really worthy of such criticism, but from my experience they're either less vo…
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:21 AM
4

Occupational first aid, didn't come across that one though. I can see what you're saying though, like in primary school the way it's completely ok for little boys to cry, but if girls do it the teacher reminds them that "Girls don't cry."
/r/MensRights10/03/13 01:04 AM
3

Saddest part of it all is, Hugo Schwyzer didn't even speak against the party line, he unfailingly supported (and continues to support) it. His past experience told him that the sins of his pre-feminist life were forgiven so long as he blamed them on men and the patriarchy, so he came out with something spectacularly lurid and overly honest. It must have been a slow news week because it got picked up and passed around like 99 green bottles and he was crucified for having admitted to it.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:54 AM
4

It's funny, I actually agree with this comment so much, but I have yet to come across a feminist who hasn't attempted to establish that women are more oppressed than men (or that women are oppressed and men aren't). If there is a mainstream feminist opinion that that kind of oppression olympics stuff is a bad thing, then great :) But I've never come across it's adherents.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:43 AM
0

Didn't you know? Female MRAs are men pretending to be women. Real women would never say stuff like that ;) /s
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:26 AM
1

Naturally, I can see the evolutionary advantages that male disposability brought us as a species back when the human race was in it's infancy. However, it has been a long, long time since we needed that mindset to thrive and survive. But it wan't me! Patriarchy did it!
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:25 AM
4

Not so sure about the communism and socialism, but it's definitely a major event in the oppression olympics calender if the newspapers are anything to go by.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:23 AM
4

I keep running up against that too. Turns out I've internalised misandry :(
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:22 AM
3

Not sure whether either gender can be supremely proven to be more/less suceptible to pain, but I think it's pretty provable that one gender is socialised to ignore pain more than the other.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:20 AM
3

No idea why this got downvoted so much. Maybe it got linked to?
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:18 AM
0

Naturally, I can see the evolutionary advantages that male disposability brought us as a species back when the human race was in it's infancy. However, it has been a long, long time since we needed that mindset to thrive and survive. Firstly, he acknowledged that, secondly, (from an evolutionary point of view) it hasn't been very long at all.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:18 AM
6

Yep, it's true, they lived in different times, but that's all the more reason to acknowledge that they weren't the progressive angels they're made out to be.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:08 AM
1

Oh, sorry, quotefail. I thought they just stared at him.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 06:52 PM
2

You're right, they leave less room for F-14s and speedboats. Real men change nappies at Mach 2
/r/MensRights07/03/13 03:43 PM
1

Damn, Risa sounded nice.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 03:41 PM
1

Monty python quote.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 03:41 PM
5

It stands for /r/ShitRedditSays . I gather it started out as a place for people to point out racism and things on reddit, but it's turned into something of a monster. These days they mostly post stuff about a particular kind of feminism which doesn't allow any mention of men's rights. Basicly if you try to talk about men you're an evil oppressor.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 03:40 PM
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I was wondering why someone talking about their rape might have to be afraid of SRS, then I saw "genders were reversed." Gotcha.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 06:29 PM
3

Forcible envelopment is illegal in most countries afaik, it's just almost never called rape, rarely prosecuted and recieves almost no public censure.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 06:25 PM
0

Look, have a nice night, it's pretty clear you're not actually interested in a discussion. You asked for sources, I gave you them, if you want to call them bullshit, fallacies or anecdotes feel free. I'm out.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:43 PM
0

Not necessarily any of those actually.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:42 PM
1

I've no doubt that you can find a source showing that women are oppressed, I doubt you can find one showing that men aren't.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 05:41 PM
-1

Wow, you stalked my profile to try to find a way to insult me I check most people's comment history when they don't seem to be arguing in good faith. Reason being: I've wasted far too much time with SRS and AMR. If I think someone is willing to listen I'm willing to do a bit of research for them and show them the facts. If they aren't I don't see why I should bother. This isn't stalking, it's reddit. I didn't insult you once, but I do find it genuinely scary that someone so unwilling to acknowle…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 03:09 PM
1

Around the country there are plenty of cases of underage boys who got a woman pregnant and then tried to avoid paying child support. The 15-year-old in California who was seduced by the 34-year-old mom next door. The 13-year-old boy in Kansas who had sex with his 17-year-old baby­sitter. The 15-year-old boy in Florida who impregnated a 20-year-old. There's just so much wrong with that paragraph...
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:53 PM
0

Absolutely agreed. I just took a weekend long break and came back to this Sometimes I'm not sure why I bother doing other people's research for them XD. It's not like they're ever going to change their opinion anyway. Oh well, I've a friend coming over for games later so it's not a total loss.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:50 PM
-2

My confirmation bias is in your imagination. The data shows at least a quarter of all rape victims are male and that the number is very likely higher. It's pretty sad that there are people in this world who think there are any significant number of rapes committed against men. 25% isn't significant? And you accuse me of confirmation bias? It's pretty sad that you can't even question your assumptions. This is not to mention that the overestimation of sexual violence could very well have been an o…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:41 PM
1

Of course no one's blatantly said that, but there's clearly an attitude that if someone isn't found guilty of rape then automatically it is a case of a false rape claim. I don't think that's clear at all, in fact I think that's your biases talking rather than ours. As far as I can see there's an attitude that false accusations aren't being adequately disincentivised by society and the legal system, which is completely true. Yes, more should to done protect the accused until they're proven guilty…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:30 PM
1

I am saying that the argument to restrict X due to its access to the mentally ill because its use by the mentally ill is dangerous to society is not an appropriate argument for the restriction of X. Not just the mentally ill. There's all kinds of regular people that I'm glad don't have access to firearms. Some things have just too much destructive potential to be commonly owned.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:15 PM
1

MRA means Men's Rights Advocate. While I haven't seen anything to suggest Thomas Ball was involved with other MRAs, he fits the definition. To say he isn't one is slightly "no true MRA." As for the Spearhead and Traditionalists, I'd agree that (in my experience at least) the majority of the MRM isn't traditionalist and generally looks askew at the extremists. But they're still a part of the movement. I have no problem with this, MRA is a catch-all term that includes all kinds of ideologies. Ther…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:13 PM
1

Ah, right, gotcha. Yeah, the whole "18 years old" as a line in the sand of adulthood isn't really perfect, but people have to take responsibility at some point. The most disappointing part of all is this entire thing was preventable. She was a young child when this started. She could have been educated and treated about her prior false rape claims. Our system failed her and it has failed us as the society she harmed. It's certainly a big part of it. I think that, as a young adult, she certainly …
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:06 PM
1

I think morality is at least partially a biological imperitive and partially a social thing. But even that said, sometimes people do horrible and inexcusible things to each other without having any treatable condition which caused them to do so. I'm sure you've never done something like falsely accuse someone of rape, but have you ever said something mean to someone? Or pushed another kid when you were in school? Going up the ladder of anti-social behaviour is just a matter of escalation, it doe…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 02:01 PM
-2

Do you actually check your sources? Or do you just read the headlines (when they confirm your biases)? That little canard was drawn from the U.S. Department of Justice. 2003 National Crime Victimization Survey. You can find the details here. Now I was previously aware that the US DoJ definition of rape was (and still is) defined in such a way that excludes most male victims, but I went to the trouble of reading through the document and came up with this: "Forced sexual intercourse and includes b…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 01:57 PM
1

Tough :(
/r/MensRights04/03/13 01:16 PM
1

Oh dear... ... This whole entire comment you just wrote is a perfect example of why some people don't take mens rights seriously. Some people say... You keep on saying that he needs evidence to support something that 99% of the people around the world know. It is extremely common knowledge that the women of SA are oppressed, as with the women in more than half the countries of the world, but he doesn't need to post an article stating that when its obvious. It used to be "extremely common knowled…
/r/MensRights04/03/13 01:15 PM
1

Non, ce n'est pas. I don't dispute that women make false accusations. I don't even absolutely claim that she's not making one, maybe she is. What I do dispute is whether the fact that she's his ex, or that she didn't go to the police, proves that she's lying. I think it's horrifically misguided but there's a tonne of propaganda from rape culture theorists out there telling people that going to the police is useless. Maybe she just thought she wouldn't get justice that way?
/r/MensRights04/03/13 01:09 PM
0

Evidence that it exists, not that it is the majority of the crime's victims. Evidence that it exists and that it hasn't been studied even nearly enough to start guessing as to how prevalent it is. Men have a thirteenth of the chance of getting raped that a woman does. Oh I see you decided to anyway, nevermind.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 08:01 PM
3

She turned me into a newt!
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:50 PM
1

Just thought, imagine having that kind of technology, and a gay pill. Bye bye gender roles! :D
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:49 PM
2

Ever read "Y The Last Man"? It's basicly this comment played out to it's conclusion. There's alot of misandry in there, but it's still worth a read.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:48 PM
1

No I'm saying it's a fact that only 2% of rape charges end in conviction. Which both makes women like this pretty much a non-issue as the claims being made are rarely if ever going to end in conviction. While it makes actually raping somebody incredibly easy to get away with. Actually, no, they don't and no, it isn't. http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=4838 But even if the false accusation rate is as low as 2%, that still means that innocent people are going through a hell of a crooked justice system…
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:39 PM
-1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:34 PM
1

Being questioned?
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:22 PM
1

They were right to question him, yes. While doing so they should absolutely take into account the likelyhood she was lying, but they should still check to see if there might be any truth to what she's saying.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:09 PM
1

I understood that. I was just saying that the reason the justice system exists is to punish the guilty. If it wasn't able to do that then it wouldn't have any purpose. But the priority, while doing so, is to protect the innocent first.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:07 PM
1

I wasn't saying digital or handwritten evidence doesn't exist, or can't be found. WHEN it exists, its easy to get. I'm talking about situations where the perpetrator was not stupid enough to text about their falsifying exploits, or hand write what amounts to a confession on paper. If there isn't enough evidence then they walk. Just like any other crime (except, seemingly, rape). If everyone did this, there would never be a question of whether it was false or not. But it would also call into ques…
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:06 PM
1

Nope, it needs to go further. False accusers should be prosecuted for endangering the liberty and damaging the reputation of the accused, not just lying to the court.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:04 PM
1

Your previous post was a whole load of conjecture. Neither you nor I have any idea which one of them is telling the truth.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:03 PM
1

Everyone needs to be educated on what constitutes it. For various social and legal reasons boys can't make false rape accusations (or true rape accusations for that matter), but girls can rape boys too.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 07:02 PM
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I believe that murphymc was referring to the recent push to control guns because mentally unstable people can use guns to harm people. However, this mentally unstable person did not use a gun and greatly harmed 11 people. You think that if Lanza hadn't had a gun he would have hurt those kids with false rape accusations? Comparing the two incidents is pretty absurd. Basically, society shouldn't try to restrict the usage of tools that mentally unstable people use but rather treat the mentally unst…
/r/MensRights27/02/13 06:58 PM
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I think you've misunderstood me. I support the fact that children are tried differently to adults. What I don't support is the idea that an adult criminal, who also has a history of criminality as a child, should be treated more leniently.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 06:56 PM
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Despite "getting away with it" doing that sort of damage to another human being is still a form of sociopathy and shows significant focus on only the self and not enough attention to the effects of our actions on others, or the care to not want to harm others. People can "get away" with stealing from a nameless-faceless big box store, but crying rape on someone you know is a very different type of mentality. People do horrible things all the time, they only avoid jail if their mental condition i…
/r/MensRights27/02/13 06:54 PM
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That's not to say that they shouldn't take her history of false accusations into account, but they were still right to investigate.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 06:34 PM
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They were right to take it seriously, but the system should take it equally seriously if the accusation is proven to be false.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:34 PM
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It already is perjury. It's just not prosecuted.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:31 PM
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Forgive me if I'm wrong but is anyone arguing that gun control laws will reduce false accusations?
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:29 PM
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Maybe, or maybe not. It's not difficult to make a false accusation, especially if you've done it 10 times before with no consequences.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:28 PM
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By that argument we shouldn't imprison rapists who committed crimes in their childhood.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:27 PM
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Maybe, or maybe she's kept doing it because she got away with it when she was a kid. If other crimes were treated in a similar way to false accusations (in terms of immunity from prosecution) I'd expect to see alot more multiple offenders. Also, what has her age got to do with it? 30 - 40 year olds are still capable of being mentally unbalanced.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:26 PM
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There's multiple studies out there, placing the number anywhere between 1% and 90%. Unless the figure can be absolutely be proven to be 0% or 100% we still need trials and the presumption of innocence for both parties (and I'd argue anonymity aswell).
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:24 PM
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It should have been 1 Assuming there was enough evidence to convict the first time.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:22 PM
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As far as I can see it is...
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:21 PM
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Nope, emails and phone calls can be intercepted, handwriting analysis can be performed on written documents and texts can be read off a sim card/message center. There's all kinds of ways incontrovertible evidence of intent can be discovered that don't rely on someone close to the accuser.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:20 PM
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Agree with you whole heatedly, I don't like the attitude most of these comments have. I think making the accused anonymous until proven guilty is the best way to go, but no matter we still need to treat all "victims" medically and legally in order to achieve the most good. Show me even one comment here, with any amount of upvotes, that says "victims shouldn't be treated medically" or that "accused people shouldn't be questioned."
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:18 PM
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Questioning is fine, prosecution and conviction aren't justified on the basis that "some of them might be guilty." That's how the gulags happened. And the standard goes both ways: "Better 11 women get questioned than 1 victim fear being falsely accused again."
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:15 PM
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Mandatory prosecution of false accusers with a penalty upon conviction equal to a rape conviction. Mandatory assuming sufficient evidence exists I assume?
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:12 PM
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Well, the purpose of the justice system is to punish the guilty, but their priority is to protect the innocent.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:11 PM
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If they admit to it, there's recordings of them planning it or multiple independant witnesses attest to them planning it. Most false accusations would probably be unprovable, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't prosecute the provable ones.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:10 PM
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I'm so sorry that happened to you, and I have to think what might have happened if you hadn't been ticketed.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:01 PM
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Since he could literally pull just about any man and woman off the street and have as much of a case against them as you, I don't understand what he'd say other than that the victim identified you. Fixed it for you ;) Women are virtually immune to rape accusations.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 03:00 PM
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Unfortunately, they are, if only in the way I've described above. And to those, I say : "Defect! Stop the gender war! They can't win if you don't fight alongside them!" Thing is, they could easily say the same to us, on the basis that we're lending credence to extreme MRAs like the spearhead or Thomas Ball. Well, our message as always been that we care about goals and actions, not ideas. But I think we left ourselves vulnerable to misandrist ideologies by doing that. We have to refine it to "we …
/r/MensRights27/02/13 02:50 PM
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Presumably because the person who uploaded the video didn't intend it as a fantasy.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 02:42 PM
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Sounds fair enough.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 02:41 PM
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That's ridiculous, big brother did those right after he invented the aeroplane ;)
/r/MensRights27/02/13 02:40 PM
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Because it happened she claimed it happened on school property.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 02:39 PM
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She might be, or she might be a rape victim who just doesn't have any more evidence than her word.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 02:38 PM
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That's alot of snickers bars.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 11:50 PM
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Wow! :D I'm actually surprised. I'm still waiting for a pampers ad that looks like this though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AaDYzr1BBM
/r/MensRights26/02/13 11:09 PM
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Well, that feminist did anyway. I'm not sure about any other ones (although it does seem to tie into the whole rape culture deelie a bit).
/r/MensRights26/02/13 11:05 PM
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"OMG! That guy has been staring at my boobs and shaking his head for like five minutes!" "Now he's facepalming!!"
/r/MensRights26/02/13 11:03 PM
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I think that's missing the point. As far as anyone can tell, the original video was created consentually as an expression of sexuality. But the reposter and the woman linking to it argue that it should be a general measure to "fix" men.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:58 PM
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I did.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:56 PM
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She's changed the blog article and taken down the video. I should have screen capped it the way I found it. She was very much in favour even if she did say the video wasn't hers or made by anyone she knew. Incidentally, anyone else noticed the new "HUB" appended to their group name?
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:55 PM
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Not that I disagree, that makes sense, I was just curious. Over here shoplifting usually gets community service plus damages.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:51 PM
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Oh, sorry, I get you now.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:51 PM
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Er, dude, our whole argument is that we don't know who's telling the truth. Assuming she's lying is just as bad as assuming he is.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:46 PM
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I didn't know that actually, thanks.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:44 PM
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Was that us, or them?
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:43 PM
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The school didn't really have anything to do with it. They didn't put him in jail. Equally, even if he had raped her, it's not like they did something to cause it.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:35 PM
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Is stealing from a supermarket not a felony?
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:32 PM
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2013: 6 men killed, 0 women killed 2012: 67 men killed, 3 women killed 2011: 46 men killed, 1 woman killed 2010: 44 men killed, 0 women killed 2009: 65 men killed, 9 women killed That's pretty specific. In 2009 men represented 88% of murdered journalists, 2010 100%, 2011 98%, 2012 96% and so far 100% of murder victims this year.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:31 PM
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Indeed, it is more dangerous for everyone. Did they state that it wasn't more dangerous for men? If it's getting more dangerous for everyone they they shouldn't imply that the danger is something specific to women by reporting it as a gendered matter.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:18 PM
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Quite a bit of rage here from folks that didn't read the article. It doesn't compare female casualties to men at all. Which is exactly the problem. Given the fact that the article was reporting on relative danger based on gender, and it failed to mention that men are several times more likely to be killed than women, it's misleading to focus only on female deaths. Especially considering that, given the small numbers involved, death tolls (when represented as percentages of previous years) are bo…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:12 PM
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From above: 2013: 6 men killed, 0 women killed 2012: 67 men killed, 3 women killed 2011: 46 men killed, 1 woman killed 2010: 44 men killed, 0 women killed 2009: 65 men killed, 9 women killed Given that the numbers involved are less than ten women per year, even in the years with the highest death count, a rise of 8% is statistical fluctuation. If one more woman is killed this year than last year it would be technically true that it's "more dangerous," but that doesn't mean that it's part of some…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 10:07 PM
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We are opposed to feminist ideology by principle, except if you believe in patriarchy / wage gap / rape culture / oppression of women. What would it mean to be welcoming to feminists? Stop saying that such tenets are either false or misandrist? That people supporting / believing them support misandrist attitudes in society? Lie? Feminism isn't a well defined term. There's feminists who disagree with all of those ideas (except the oppression of women obviously). "We" aren't opposed to feminism on…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 09:54 PM
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If it was between strangers, then yes, it would be an issue, domestic violence is a completely different thing: It's harder to fight someone you love, or who you think loves you. Violent spouses can often be incredibly caring and kind when they aren't acting a violent manner, making it psychologically difficult for their partners to defend themselves when they are, or to take the opportunity to leave. They also often use psychological violence to dominate their partners, something which isn't de…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 09:43 PM
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Again, given the nature of DV, that doesn't in any way prove that it's rare. It was also considered rare in the west until people began to actually research it.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 09:39 PM
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Feel free to make changes needed to make it more balanced, I would like to see what happens. I've tried, they get changed back. Unless there's enough editors on the article that care more about information than their ideology it's a waste of time.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:53 PM
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As much as it's important to point out the hateful feminists, "No true feminist" works both ways: The good feminists are just as feminist as the evil ones.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:52 PM
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Social sciences employ scientific methods to test their theories, but by the very nature of what they study, a good deal of unprovable assertions are also necessary. Unlike pure sciences like, say, physics. It's a joke, but I think XKCD put's it quite well: http://xkcd.com/451/
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:24 PM
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Who said anything about excluding? As long as they do not try to silence critics of feminism, feminists can do whatever they want to. This forum does not believe in silencing dissenting opinions. If they are offended by these critics and try to shut them up, then they are not the kind of people we want fighting alongside us, that's all. I wasn't saying we censor anyone, just that we should be welcoming to the feminists who don't oppose the MRM, rather than stating a general opposition to all fem…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:20 PM
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I really appreciate your taking the time to thoroughly answer my questions. My pleasure :) but keep in mind I'm not exactly a neutral party. If you're interested in the theory behind those terms it might also be worth talking to a feminist. I actually saw on another reddit thread that there are certain studies which point to false rape accusations being as high as 90%... Wow! Seriously? Can you give me a link to that? It would be really interesting to see some professional reliable research... B…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:13 PM
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Nope, sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. The article we're discussing was blaming male culture for wikipedia's shortcomings. She also said that Wikipedia's posts are edited by "anal retentive" male "computer guys" so the posts become "a little wordy and expansive," which can become overwhelming.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 01:46 PM
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Also, men regularly and openly joke about stealing things. Clearly society has no problem with theft and we should spend more resources informing men that stealing is wrong.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 01:42 PM
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Social sciences, not quite the same thing. Psychology has some pure science researchers (like in neurology) but afaik Sociology doesn't work like that.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 05:00 AM
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Most psych primers have alot of pictures, presumable to fleece undergrad freshmen.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:59 AM
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By "political correctness" do you mean "factual accuracy"? It's an academic textbook, not a standup routine, it's supposed to be correct. ;)
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:58 AM
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I was reading all the gender neutral stuff and I thought for a moment you were going to complain about the picture being of a woman. I was about to come in with "Ah, come on now, they have to pick one and photobanks of crying women are probably more plentiful." Then I read further and, "Oh no, there it is, they ditched the pretence of equality."
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:55 AM
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Meh, just thought it was amusing.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:42 AM
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The sub was created by feminists, many of who had posted regularly at manboobs' blog. Did they leave it, or do they still agree with that stuff?
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:41 AM
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The term MRA doesn't specify for or against agreement with either concept, but if I had to guess I'd say that most people don't agree with them (as they're usually described) no. Patriarchy theory usually requires that gender be interpreted as a structure which privileges men and disadvantages women in a similar manner to class or race. This falls down a little when you consider that both male disadvantages (due to gender) and female privilege are also observable in any society. Some proponents …
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:40 AM
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Brigade warning btw: http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/1983wo/mras_refuse_to_believe_that_stats_prove_that_only/ Apparently your post is us "citing no evidence to back up our claims."
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:10 AM
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the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. I can think of a few possibilities, statutory rape is an obvious one, in such a case they'd only have to prove that the perpetrator is the biological parent. Other's might be as the result of a confession or witness statement, video evidence etc. Rape kits aren't the only way to prove rape. Edit: Also, one of the main points of a rape kit is to get DNA evidence establishing the suspect's invo…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:05 AM
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You mean like Brian Banks was?
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:02 AM
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Brigade warning btw: http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/196wft/on_an_article_about_the_lack_of_female_wikipedia/
/r/MensRights26/02/13 04:01 AM
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Agreed, splitting up non-gendered crime into gendered components is a bad idea.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 03:29 AM
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Warren Farrell: Afaik he still identifies as feminist given a certain restricted definition of it. CHS: Same. But even leaving those two aside, there are quite a few feminists who are interested in working with us and acknowledge our goals and arguments as valid. It would be worthwhile not to exclude them.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 03:19 AM
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Look it up yourself if you really wanna find out I have looked it up, that's the point. The figures you're making up don't seem to exist. and what do you mean the ones who I claim don't exist? You're arguing that women don't abuse men in 3rd world countries, then you're saying I would accept this as a fact if I looked at some of these cases. What cases are you referring to? Honestly are you guys trying to argue that woman against men abuse is a problem in third world countries worse than male ag…
/r/MensRights26/02/13 03:06 AM
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Inferences It's not usually a good idea to cite personal experience as statistical data. I'm not saying you didn't see what you saw, but I'm not at all convinced that you saw the whole picture. The fact that you're boiling the whole thing down to a matter of physical strength alone shows that you've missed alot.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 03:01 AM
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Because it is the natural order of places such like that that the male is dominant in every aspect of society, especially the household. And all men and women fit this natural order? I lived in Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine and husbands beating wives is in almost every single poorer household, and it is unsurprising to see it in richer households as well. I've seen wives do the same.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 02:58 AM
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The pay gap is something which is somewhat disputed here, but aside from that there's a grain of truth in what both of you are saying: Gendered societies do objectify women in terms of their looks, but at the same time women's safety is generally put ahead of men's.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 12:03 AM
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We're already talking about a population that represents small probabilities. Sorry, what did you mean by that?
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:56 PM
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Ok, fair enough, in that case I apologise: We get alot of people coming here who have quite alot of hostility towards the idea that misandry exists. I'd agree with you that misandry and misogyny are the same problem, but based on my own experiences with gender identity (mine and quite a few others) I'm not convinced it's likely to derive from a feeling of one gender's inadequacy over the other so much as an innate drive to define oneself as a part of society.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:56 PM
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Given that DV is usually something people don't speak about, especially in poorer countries, and especially when men are the victims, you'll forgive me if I don't accept that as proof that it doesn't happen there.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:53 PM
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If you are seriously going to say that woman abuse men in 3rd world countries commonly then you really need to look at some of the cases there. Which cases? The ones you claim don't exist? In certain countries, you can get away with murdering a woman if she sleeps with the wrong person. A huge percentage (way more than the US, albeit I can't link an article because i'm on my phone) of marriages in these 3rd world countries have severe domestic abuse towards women, not just a small percentage, so…
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:31 PM
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Or, as I know for a fact used to happen in Ireland, the husband would be shamed and the woman would get away with abuse/possibly murder. As I said, these are issues we've barely even begun to talk about in the west. It's not all that crazy to suspect that they might also exist elsewhere.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:28 PM
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So the 5% and the much higher percentage are just guesses then?
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:27 PM
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I suspect that at least some things have a biological basis and are difficult to change environmentally.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:25 PM
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True.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:24 PM
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I'm sure that's a joke, but you're feeding the comment-miners.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 10:06 PM
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"No memes or rage comics." but that makes the point so perfectly that I've no problem with it.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 10:05 PM
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Yeah, some people here assume that bad logic == feminist. It's a bit crazy.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:49 PM
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II don't have anything to cite, but I guess I'm using logic considering the nature of the male and female roles in society before feminism became into action. In a society where females were considered a lesser gender, dumb and unable to do the work men do, I cannot see how male domestic violence would've been as common. I personally know several people who grew up with violent mothers while those roles were firmly in place. The rest is a highly subjective and unprovable interpretation of pre-fe…
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:45 PM
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If you're actually looking at the equality between men and women in SA, women are several times more oppressed than men. Were you using metric or imperial units of oppression? That's not painting things in black and white, that's a fact. Facts need evidence to back them up, otherwise they're what I like to call "opinions." Trying to white-knight men in SA doesn't work because it is a real patriarchy with real oppression towards women, much much moreso than men. Ever been? Women aren't allowed to…
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:39 PM
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Not that I disagree, but how do you mean?
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:31 PM
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Multi-partisan I think. The libertarians, at least, usually don't cast themselves as being left or right.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:31 PM
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From what I can tell, most of use are, but no one person owns the term "MRA" and if he thinks gender traditionalism is the answer to men's rights issues then that's his call. What isn't his call is to assign this view to the rest of the movement.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:29 PM
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You've just discovered why being anti-feminist is a pre-requisite to true advocacy of men's rights. Otherwise white knights and feminists just take over and explain to you how to be a better male : just shut up, wear dresses and skirts, and learn to check your privilege. As much as it's important to address the feminist voices which oppose men's rights, there actually are feminists who aren't like that, eg. Warren Farrell and CHS. None of use own the term MRA and get to say what it should mean (…
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:24 PM
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Put it this way, if someone posted the following in /r/Feminism when /r/MensRights was starting out, would you be ok with it? /r/Mensrights is mostly people new to this sort of thing, and could use some guidance before the MRAs hijack it Most of the people there don't even believe in the patriarchy and think that rape culture isn't a problem/doesn't exist. I am trying to guide them more away from the evil MRAs and toward Feminism. Any help would be wonderful.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:21 PM
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Remember that violence in relationships is mostly psychological rather than purely "who is stronger". Well put.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:16 PM
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How much do you actually know about the life of men in the countries that you're talking about? What is your claim that domestic violence is mostly an anti-woman thing in those countries based on? Given that we've only recently begun to examine and acknowledge anti-male DV in the west how can you possibly back up the argument that it's rare in other countries where it's almost never discussed or examined?
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:15 PM
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Just that you're asking people from one sub to go into another to steer the conversation in a direction you'd prefer.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:13 PM
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Depends on the historical information, if it's non controversial and is the focus of alot of real world research then yes. But there's some minor topics out there that aren't particularly well sourced. Yeah, it's a shame. I just wanted to point out to the people saying "wikipedia is neutral" that it actually can be quite partisan and biased.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:12 PM
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Wikipedia is non-profit dedicated to neutrality. If you reach a critical mass of folks commenting and changing the layout, then there is no reason it won't change. The organisation is, and the rules aim to be, but that doesn't mean the editors are. That's like the OWS movement saying, "We can't run for office because the system is corrupt." Have you seen those people lately? No, because they never actually did anything to change anything (and this is coming from a supporter.) I take what you mea…
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:09 PM
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It's a trustworthy source when it comes to non-controversial facts, like the hubble space telescope. When it comes to politically charged debates like domestic violence, pages have a tendancy to be taken over by whatever ideology is strongest. The problem isn't that said feminist editors draw attention to women's rights issues, it's that they often try to suppress men's rights issues.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:03 PM
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I can almost assure you that in terms of the type of domestic violence, perhaps 5% of those are any farther than slapping or shoving when its a woman towards a man, simply because a woman knows that that is what they can get away with. That doesn't make it okay, but still. However, I am also sure that in terms of repeated or severe domestic violence, man against women violence is a much higher percentage, simply because men are almost always stronger than woman. Citations needed.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:55 PM
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And anyone can change them right back. If there's a largely feminist culture of wikipedians surrounding the page (and there usually is on pages concerning women's rights) then trying to post information about men's rights is a waste of time.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:51 PM
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It used to be a predominately female victim base that has this issue Citation needed. Given that, as a society, we've only just begun to acknowledge and examine anti-male DV I don't see how you could possibly back that claim up.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:47 PM
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When there's an entrenched culture supporting a particular viewpoint surrounding a group of articles that becomes virtually impossible. It's like saying we should go over to SRS and downvote the posts we don't like or trying to troll /b.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:42 PM
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And how much do you know about men's lives in Saudi Arabia exactly? I'm not saying such places are a paradise for women, but trying to paint it in such black and white terms isn't doing you any favours. This is the reason nobody takes the Men's Rights movement seriously. I keep hearing people say this. When you say "nobody" takes the MRM seriously do you mean "none of my friends" take it seriously or have you actually performed statistical analyses on the opinions of the world's population?
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:40 PM
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I'm thinking someone's linked to this page, there's alot of upvotes going to comments that don't seem to be aware of basic MRA issues like anti-male DV.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:37 PM
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Don't worry about it. Forms of domestic violence other than male on female are rarely talked about or depicted in the media. I'd say most people are under the same impression you were. It's just a bit of a sore point with some of the people here since we often end up having to prove the same points over and over.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:37 PM
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I think this is a misconception of how wikipedia works: Articles are often grouped into series based on topicality. On any individual article's page it'll have information in the right hand sidebar about the rest of the series. This doesn't necessarily mean that the article only contains information relating to the subject matter of that series or that it can't be a part of another series, just that it's relevant to that one. That said, wikipedia is like anywhere else and acknowledgement of anti…
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:18 PM
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Thanks for the grin that gave me :D I think role models are important, but sometimes those kinds of ideas can be taken too far.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:15 PM
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Afaik he's not ridiculing women, he's ridiculing a movement known as atheism+ which consists of both men and women. Thanks for your support though, it's important to build bridges.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:13 PM
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Isn't this brigading? Edit: Also, I don't agree with patriarchy theory, but I accept that others are allowed to. I don't have a monopoly on truth.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:10 PM
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I haven't seen that episode, but that's really interesting, thanks :)
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:08 PM
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Possibly, but even if the encyclopedia could do with trimming down a bit, it's hardly something that can be blamed on gender.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 08:00 PM
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If that's true then why do female to male transpeople exist? Also, going by the MtF transpeople I know, they don't really hate maleness in general, just in themselves. I suspect the same would be true of cisgendered children if they were regularly censured for acting like their own gender. As far as anyone can tell, gender identity has a biological basis which can't easily be influenced by environmental factors.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 07:46 PM
3

Wow, that sucks :(. Yeah, I don't have too much problem with socialism as an ideal, I just find some of the people associated with it are a little hard to stomach.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 07:43 PM
2

Incidentally, if anyone wants to measure the truth of this, go over to the sub where this was posted, scroll down to the bottom and see how they deal with criticism. Spoiler: Dissent == Hate speech
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:34 PM
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Basicly the SU is controlled by feminist groups and they were ticked off that men's rights groups were postering around college and contradicting their message. When Warren Farrell turned up to lecture, the women's studies department sent around an email asking people to protest and a few far left groups from outside the college turned up aswell.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:30 PM
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Not a statistical claim, but in my experience they're alot rarer and tend to accrue alot more controversy.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:27 PM
3

Is this how they feel when people bring up mens rights issues? Probably, but you could just as easily reverse the genders in that comic and make the same point about feminists. It's a visual strawman argument: They're standing up a perfectly meek and reasonable depiction of a feminist and an unreasonable and raging MRA in order to imply that feminists are meek and reasonable and MRAs are full of rage.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:25 PM
2

I like the cut of his moustache.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:02 PM
2

Not quite the equivalent of real life, but still not entirely irrelevant. I'd be much more concerned about a real life stalker than I would an online stalker, but online stalking is still an issue.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:26 PM
3

Agreed, that and the namecalling. I can understand why people are pissed off but it doesn't help our argument.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:22 PM
1

As pointed out elsewhere, the video itself is probably fake, which just leaves us with the troubling notion that someone out there thinks it's a good idea/is funny.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:21 PM
3

You can report it under: "Hateful and abusive content" "promotes hatred or violence" then draw attention to what the poster wrote in the description and their link to femitheism.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:20 PM
1

There's a new blog post on her site (which is where I found it) which effectively commends it and says that it's a great idea.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:18 PM
6

Checking someone's reddit history isn't cyberstalking any more than walking over to someone in a cafe you happen to be in is stalking. Following someone around multiple sites is cyberstalking, just as tailing them out of the cafe and following them home is stalking.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:02 PM
1

Ah, I see what you're saying. I think it'll happen naturally as gender roles erode. There's a bunch of women persuing combat roles in the army for instance.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:48 AM
4

Trouble is, it's hard to accept this until you've been burned a couple of times. Cynicism is a hard won gift. ;)
/r/MensRights25/02/13 11:46 AM
6

I think it'd be good for MRAs to understand (and accept) a broad spectrum of genders, including identifying as neither. Implying we don't already. I've no problem with people who identify as whatever they feel they are, but your profile has existed for around five hours, contains almost exclusively posts criticising MR and you've come on to a discussion about misandry to talk about misogyny instead.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 03:35 AM
3

Like I said above, even if it's just a repost, the intent behind it is the really scary bit.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 03:07 AM
1

Thought you were being homophobic there, didn't realise she was.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 03:05 AM
8

Which posts did you have in mind?
/r/MensRights25/02/13 03:04 AM
6

Having looked over your other comments I'm beginning to think this is less than genuine.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 02:59 AM
4

From what he posted I think he's looking for information about boys who grew up hating maleness due to environmental reasons, rather than boys who's innate gender identity swung the other way. The two aren't really the same thing.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 02:32 AM
7

They now prefer gender-neutral pronouns and would rather be called a 'person' than a 'woman', since it's become so insulting. Sorry to hear that, but is that their interpretation of it or yours?
/r/MensRights25/02/13 02:30 AM
7

Transsexuals (MtFs) don't necessarily see men or being male as evil. They just don't think they are men.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 02:28 AM
4

Wait until you know someone better to get intimate Reasonable, but not all nutjobs come with warning flags. There's plenty most people can do to make themselves safer, but nothing anyone can do to make themselves completely safe. Those issues will continue to exist even if we all walked on eggshells.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:55 AM
1

Can we please stop suggesting that the other side of the debate does/doesn't want equality and instead properly represent the argument that the other sides belief of society's current state is erroneous? Thank you I'm not sure if this is a proper godwin since we're discussing political extremism: But the nazis also described themselves as an equality movement. Some groups just don't deserve the title, plain and simple. I don't think all feminists are that bad, but some are and saying "Feminism i…
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:53 AM
1

No, because probably in the eyes of the law the father stops being the father the moment he is proven to not be, therefore he still owes the money for the period of time while he was the father. God that's twisted!
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:49 AM
2

They were true insofar as she didn't make any false claims, but the harassment wasn't anything more than mean words on the internet. Basicly nothing more serious than anything any one of us (as internet users) get subjected to every week.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:36 AM
1

Afaik they ran into problems because the manufacturers could see what their warchest was like (the kickstarter itself) and demanded sufficient money that the whole thing was highly unprofitable. Basicly it was going to cost twice what the donors payed just to make the stands.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:33 AM
1

The people who donated aren't going to be interested. They didn't donate because they actually wanted a video series, they donated because they wanted to show support. it's like upvoting with dollars.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:30 AM
1

Bad publicity. They couldn't afford the backlash at the time, and now there's actual proof there's no money left to sue for.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:28 AM
5

True
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:25 AM
0

Interesting, I actually didn't know that.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:23 AM
1

The only way to damage her image is to get video proof of her saying/doing something sexist...or utterly deplorable. Give her time.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:17 AM
1

Welcome to wikipedia. When it comes to politically charged articles the spin basicly falls to the community with the larger number of posters. Men's Rights was merged with MRA on the basis that most of the sources related to the MRM. Not surprisingly, the same logic isn't applied to the article on Women's Rights and Feminism.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:16 AM
7

Assuming it's genuine. Down in the comments there's a femitheist saying it was reposted from a BDSM website. Even if it's fake though, it's the intent that bothers me. Heck, even if it's a troll, it's a bit wide of the mark.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:12 AM
8

True, I'm just saying that misandry is misandry no matter where it comes from.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 01:01 AM
8

The website is dead, the group isn't. They're trying to organise another conference in the UK atm.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:55 AM
6

So, basicly, a lesbian-separatist commune? I think there's a few of them still around. I gather radfemhub has links to one in the US.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:51 AM
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It's got nothing to do with gender. If a man posted this I'd be equally disgusted.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 12:50 AM
2

They don't exist, remember?
/r/MensRights24/02/13 11:11 PM
1

Hmmm, I'll agree to differ on that. Certainly if someone is posting "Article about female racist X" just to hate on women, I'm not terribly in favour of that and I don't think it has a place here.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 11:03 PM
1

If the MRM actually had a significant correlation with white-power/white-rights groups I actually would be generally concerned. I think that stuff goes beyond being merely non-PC. Fortunately the correlation is small to the point of being virtually non-existant.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:59 PM
1

Because the MRM is a conservative movement, and has been for the last 15 years. It's only in the last 2 that the liberals have flooded in and taken over by numbers. The MRM has no definition beyond being a movement in favour of human rights. There's no defining document or ideologue that requires that it only includes conservative values. Heck, even if it did, the term conservative is pretty subjective anyway.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:57 PM
1

I don't think his argument is that it's too hard to try, so much as that trying will make things significantly worse. I'm not convinced this is so, modern technology is such a leveller between men and women that gender roles have become unnecessary.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:56 PM
1

I'm not convinced that egalitarianism necessarily excludes equal disposibility.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:53 PM
2

Men and women are not equal. I am not sure why you begin arguing this. It's a concept often presented by gender traditionalists to back up their idea that traditional gender roles are innate, inevitable and necessary. Personally I think it comes creepily close to the whole "different but equal" Jim Crow thing.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:51 PM
1

regardless of what they think they don't lead the MRM movement, and can't tell people to "get the fuck out" of the movement. Exactly, noone does, and (unlike feminism) noone can argue their ideas define it :) That's what I love about it.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:49 PM
1

LGBTQAI
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:48 PM
1

Well said. I agree. I admire "MRM" as an ideologically inclusionary term.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:47 PM
1

I'd suggest otherwise: The term "MRA" covers several movements and ideologies including: "Masculism" "The red pill movement" "MGTOW" and (arguably) "Egalitarianism" There isn't any implied association between them, despite them being referred to be the same umbrella term, in the same way that a democratic political activist doesn't have much in common with a communist political activist. If you want a new term which specifies which MRA ideas you agree with and which ones you don't (eg. gender ro…
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:45 PM
0

That said, I think it's important for individual MRAs and MRA organisations to openly express support for LGBT rights given how our (supposed) rampant homophobia is often used against us.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:38 PM
1

Nah, whatever term we use most of them'll throw on the scare quotes and either put on the blindfolds when it comes to men's rights issues or claim that feminism is the movement actually dealing with men's rights.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:36 PM
1

If we want to come up with a term which splits us from the trad-cons we need something either more specific or better defined than MRHM. The term itself doesn't exclude the idea that gender roles are desireable or necessary. Basicly the best bet is to come up with a new term entirely and write a manifesto defining it. That way it's clear what basic principles those associating with the term believe in.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:34 PM
2

It should. The MRM needs to split from egalitarianism. The two are incompatible. How so?
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:32 PM
1

Meh, both terms describe what we're about. I'd be happy with either.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:31 PM
1

It's also relevant when examining unreasonable caution of men on the basis that women aren't dangerous.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 10:28 PM
1

The issue is that it is still less acceptable to move into girl space, versus moving into boy space. Yep. I actually don't believe girl space is any less accessible than boy space, I just have issues with the acceptability of girl space, particularly for men in pink-collar jobs. Fair enough. None of that shows how any of this is due to femininity being universally less valued than masculinity.
/r/MensRights24/02/13 09:26 PM
1

Cutting out the hate-speech would be a start XD.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 10:11 PM
1

I feel so sorry for the OP, I sent him a nice message to cheer him up :)
/r/MensRights23/02/13 10:10 PM
1

It's relevant. The issue isn't so much that "woman does bad thing" as "women are just as capable of doing bad thing as men (despite myths to the contrary)" and "observe the double standards in play when woman does bad thing compared to when man does bad thing."
/r/MensRights23/02/13 10:09 PM
1

Not sure about any other sites, but I seriously doubt radfemhub are as advanced as hiring reputation managers. If that's what you were saying anyway.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 09:34 PM
3

I can't feel my legs and I'm only halfway through the first top-level-comment.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 07:44 PM
1

It still remains, though, that boy space is far and above more acceptable than girl space. Not really, some areas of boy space have (recently) been opened up to girls (in western culture) due to the activity of women's rights activists. This hardly supports the hypothesis that girlspace is less accessible because it's seen as being less acceptible. It's less accessible because the MRM hasn't been around for as long as feminism.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 06:08 PM
2

Incidentally, a user called Roughcaster has been spamming similar copypasta around that thread. I think they didn't like it when the first one was torn apart. Copypasta 1 Copypasta 2
/r/MensRights23/02/13 06:03 PM
5

Did you see the actual statistic the mod quoted? Apparently there's a shocking 17 person overlap between us and whiterights. That's around 1/36th of a percent of this sub's readership and barely over a percent of theirs. Some conspiracy we're running, that's barely enough people to fill a small pub.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 05:10 PM
1

Ish, both spheres have positive and negative stereotypes associated with them. "Girl space" is seen as being weaker, but more caring and nurturing, "boy space" is seen as being stronger, but rougher and more violent. Examples can be seen of both genders being discouraged from exhibiting traits associated with the opposite gender. This doesn't suggest that either gender is universally hated or seen as being less worthy than the other.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 04:26 PM
1

Not really, it goes both ways, girls were also traditionally discouraged from engaging in overly masculine activities. The cultural acceptance of "tomboys" is a fairly new thing and somewhat culturally specific to the west.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 04:07 PM
2

Hmmm, the "London Irish Center" seems to be the hosting venue. Maybe someone should drop them a line and clue them in on what they're actually taking under their roof?
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:44 PM
2

Not cowardice, just incompetance/apathy. It doesn't require bravery to pay your bills.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:41 PM
3

True, but they've lost control of it and their forum/blog has been taken over by cybersquatters.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:41 PM
1

If it's even a tech blog, more likely it's just content sponged from somewhere else to generate adviews on a formerly popular URL.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:36 PM
1

First link didn't work, but again, that looks more like cybersquatting to me than some kind of weird plot to take down their own pages. What benefit could they gain from doing so?
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:35 PM
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That's a bit too machievellian even for them. What could they possibly get out of pretending they were too stupid to pay a $50 fee? The site content on the page that's up there now is pretty typical of cybersquatter pages.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:30 PM
2

Also, I just read her manifesto, she does actually identify as a feminist, just not a "mainstream feminist." She also rejects the suggestion that she's a straw feminist. As crazy goes it's an interesting read, a bit like the SCUM manifesto but slightly more coherent and calmer. Which, of course, just makes it creepier as it's impossible (rather than difficult) to write off as satire.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:26 PM
1

Seconded, although I just bookmarked the site linked to by the OP and another one from the waybackmachine radfemhub page as samples of feminist transphobia. There are other groups out there, but radfemhub was a goldmine for showing that feminism isn't always about equality.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:21 PM
1

I'm not saying that it's easy, just that a male role model doesn't necessarily have to be a daddy.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:05 PM
2

TW: Hypocracy?
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:04 PM
2

Or "pro-feminist." God forbid they should have their own opinions, rather than supporting the opinions of others.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:03 PM
1

Victims by association. If she implies that gay men are really women, it also implies that sexism is a one way street like homophobia.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:02 PM
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TL;DR: Everyone should agree with me, I'm tired of trying to convince people I'm correct. Other people's opinions aren't really valid.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 03:00 PM
1

Firstly, I think it should be noted that the focus of the poster seems to be anti-feminism rather than men's rights, the two aren't necessarily synonymous, even if there's alot of overlap. Secondly, I'm not sure this is in quite the same league as the tearing down of Warren Farrell posters in UT, or of the AVFM posters by the local feminists where they were put up. I don't exactly admire this, but it's reasonably restrained compared to other actions. When stuff like this comes up I try to flip t…
/r/MensRights23/02/13 02:58 PM
1

It's for two reasons: To discourage people from not paying in time and to make the cost worth taking to court. Personally I'd call it extortion.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 02:31 PM
1

First off, no inanimate object is dangerous - it's inanimate. An object only becomes dangerous if a person decides to make it so. Hence why there are more than twice as many deaths in the US each year from punching / kicking than from all rifles Yeah, but some objects are easier to make it so. Personally I'd rather be up against a pair of fists than a pair of bullets. Secondly, the ad isn't "shaming" anyone but people who have a childish fear of an inanimate object. It's no different from mockin…
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:57 PM
2

True, but speaking from my own experience, we still live in a culture where men have to act like men to socialise successfully. Men acting like women tend to be treated with suspicion or worse. Not that we shouldn't try to change this, but kids deserve to go into that kind of thing with their eyes open, knowing that it might be an uphill battle.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:53 PM
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Some feminists question it, others don't. Fortunately that kid's mother seems to be one of the former. I know many men who are uncomfortable with stereotypical gender roles. Reddit is the only place that I hear them blame it on "feminism." Feminism isn't solely to blame, but some pretty prominant feminists and feminist organisations have been responsible for demonising men and enforcing male gender roles.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:48 PM
2

The good thing is that he's a future anti-feminist / MRA because of the resentment he's likely to have towards feminism and girl power. In fairness to her, it sound like his mother is doing her best to combat that.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:46 PM
4

Just to point out: Role models don't have to be parents. Like it or not, most humans have an innate sense of gender identity and it's important for them to be shown ways to express it. Same sex teachers, neighbours, relatives, family friends, plenty of scope for role models even if they're not in the immediate family.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:44 PM
1

I admire the amount of leeway she's giving her kid, but I have to wonder, given her own background as being very big into princess culture (as she puts it) and having had a slight tinge of misandry to begin with, is she also steering her son away from "boy's toys"? Nothing to directly suggest that, but it did make me wonder.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:40 PM
0

Toy guns are a bit politically charged, but certainly other "boy's" toys should be available to all kids. Lego is awesome.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:39 PM
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Putting aside the fact that some inanimate objects are inherently more dangerous than others, the real problem with this ad is the gender shaming: "Women do X, therefore as a man you must also agree with and do X." It's bad for women because it suggests that "anything you can do men can do better" and it's bad for men because it's attacking their gender identity to score political points. Edit: Incidentally, I'd say exactly the same if it was some kind of "Real men support gun control" kind of t…
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:33 PM
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Nasty stuff :(. No matter what way you swing in the gun debate I'm pretty sure we all agree that selling guns as penis extensions is a bad idea...
/r/MensRights23/02/13 01:31 PM
0

I read "the bitterness of never coming out" as 'feminists=angry closet lesbian, amirite?" Fair enough, I can see where you're coming from but I don't read it that way. I have seen a few people openly claim that lesbian = feminist = anti-man but fortunately their opinion seems to be a minority one, I'm not sure that this is an example of that though. I don't think homophobia has a place in the MRM. Yep. Me too.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 12:43 PM
1

Some of those comments are unbelievable, apparently the real scandal is that he asked her out.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 06:00 PM
1

Given her particular words, I wouldn't put it beyond possibility that her sexuality is a factor in that. This isn't to say that all lesbians are like that, so much as a that this particular lesbian's misandry might be informed by her more general distaste for male sexuality. If you saw a straight person preaching homophobia, might you not think that their distaste for gay people is partially caused by their own preference for straight relationships?
/r/MensRights22/02/13 05:45 PM
1

Ascribing someone's issues to them being in denial of their own sexuality is incredibly condescending. But sometimes it's absolutely true, even just from reading that tiny extract it's pretty obvious she has issues with men and a pretty deep vein of misandry.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 05:13 PM
1

Just wondering, what's the source for this and where did you encounter it? Was it part of the curriculum of a current gender (women's) studies course?
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:39 PM
3

You just linked to a sub about sex reassignment surgery. /r/ShitRedditSays is probably what you meant.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:37 PM
3

You just linked to a sub about sex reassignment surgery. /r/ShitRedditSays is probably what you meant.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:37 PM
5

It's different because they can quote each other with footnotes and the government will consult them as "experts" on the subject.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:35 PM
8

As do plenty of men, thus completely fucking her theory.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:34 PM
1

All I could think of
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:33 PM
3

Or as an act of... love?
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:31 PM
2

I actually used to know a pair of feminists who spent alot of their time joking about how men they didn't like must be submissive. I don't think they ever realised how hateful they were being, to men or subs.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:30 PM
3

If they're being quoted in other literature I doubt it was by a freshman.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:27 PM
1

I don't think this is very typically lesbian at all. Typical misandrist maybe...
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:26 PM
1

I preach tolerance. Alot of feminists just don't realise what they're backing up. Others think it's ok because feminism has moved on and "we're in the third wave now" (I've actually heard SRSers referring to themselves as "4th wave" god help them). Basicly I've found that there's alot of feminists out there I can work with, if not the movement in general.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:24 PM
4

When guys compete with one another to see who can fuck more chicks, does that not necessarily entail the objectification of their targets? Yes, but that kind of behaviour isn't restricted to men, or heterosexuals and it doesn't apply to all men, or all heterosexuals.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:07 PM
2

Just wondering, did you find bunny's comment homophobic, or was that sarcasm?
/r/MensRights22/02/13 01:05 PM
1

Good to see, but I think it strays a little into the "Real men/Real women" category of gender essentialism. What's the context incidentally? Is this a men's rights group or a mainstream DV NGO?
/r/MensRights21/02/13 01:07 PM
10

Even then she doesn't face the same jeopardy: People generally don't believe women can rape.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 10:55 PM
4

That actually sounds fun...
/r/MensRights20/02/13 03:01 PM
5

Should have read your version instead. Ten minutes I'm never going to get back XD.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 02:25 PM
1

Both are, and (from what I can see) it isn't trying to. If people go there expecting a unified political viewpoint, they should prepare for butthurt, that's not what the place is about.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 02:25 PM
6

This kind of thing crops up alot, the GMP is mostly a feminist site, but they do post material from a variety of viewpoints (including those critical of rape culture and feminism in general). Some people like to think they should be purely pro-feminist/pro-whatever-this-one-thing-is-that-I-believe-in. That kind of people tend to get in a tizzy when the GMP publish dissenting material. @SinCitySiren: Welcome to the world, not everyone's going to agree with you.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 02:23 PM
23

Wow, I guess SRS really doesn't want us to see this.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 01:23 PM
1

Guys, I think we should calm down with the trollcalling. If the OP is fake, we're doing nothing bad by offering genuine advice. if the OP is genuine, and the Amanda account is just stirring up shit, we're making the situation alot worse and playing right into their hands and upsetting someone who needs support. Edit: Either way it's shame on the twitter account.
/r/MensRights19/02/13 03:45 PM
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In fairness, I doubt the OP of that image was a feminist, even if feminists refuse to recognise this kind of stuff as misandry.
/r/MensRights19/02/13 03:39 PM
3

What the holy shit???
/r/MensRights19/02/13 03:37 PM
3

I'd tend to agree. AA can make sense where the problem is with prejudiced HR depts, but I don't think that's the case here. It would be much better to start further down the line and try to get more male, minority kids to train as teachers in the first place. It's nice to see they care, but I can't see this solving the problem.
/r/MensRights19/02/13 03:36 PM
5

This would be a worthy quote next time someone throws up the 'ol "The MRM are against women's rights, unlike feminism."
/r/MensRights19/02/13 03:33 PM
1

Devil's advocate: The people voting no could be doing so on the basis that they don't think anyone should have to register, rather than that they think only women should be exempt.
/r/MensRights19/02/13 03:30 PM
3

Thanks :)
/r/MensRights19/02/13 03:28 PM
4

Good thing I'm a woman then. Somehow I suspect that doesn't improve your standing with herb ;) True about Warren Farrell, not sure if he still does but certainly when he wrote TMOMP he still identified as a feminist (given a certain, limited, definition of the term).
/r/MensRights16/02/13 08:07 PM
1

Norah Vincent spoke about a similar phenomenon when she started dating women as a man, and she only did it for a few months!
/r/MensRights16/02/13 07:28 PM
2

Women aren't the voting bloc he's pandering to, feminists are.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 03:46 PM
2

I also wonder what they think of lesbian porn. Clearly only misogynistic patriarchs look at porn. Women are pure and innocent and think about butterflies all day.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 02:02 PM
2

This is pretty different to Lulu App. Both are bad ideas but they're not really the same thing.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 02:01 PM
1

Well said. Harvey Milk stuff right there :)
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:55 PM
19

Sounds good, reading, sounds good, wait a sec... Men are also the main perpetrators for sexual assault and violence. Ninety-nine percent of rapists are men, according to One in Four USA. Additionally, one in four college women will be sexually assaulted at least once in their lifetime, according to surveys done by the U.S. Department of Justice. and In an interview with the Media Education Foundation on his book “The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help,” Katz argues t…
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:54 PM
8

they brought in campus security and told us there was to be no recording of any kind, and any suspected recording would be asked to leave (I counted three in the room). God forbid there should be a record of what people say. Makes it so much harder to memory-hole the incident afterwards.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:43 PM
1

Oh my god XD by that standard I'm a murder victim.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:39 PM
25

So basicly: "Only the people I agree with should be able to speak"
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:38 PM
2

Looks good, especially the focus on the positive.
/r/MensRights14/02/13 02:29 PM
7

I was actually ok with her for the first bit, then she got to the "it's different when women do it" bit. Oh dear... Maybe your boyfriend doesn't want to give you head because he hates women, or maybe he just doesn't like the smell/taste. I'd say the latter is more likely.
/r/MensRights14/02/13 02:24 PM
1

What's the sweetest day?
/r/MensRights14/02/13 02:03 PM
3

That's one solution, the other one is to celebrate the 14th of March in all it's glory. ;D
/r/MensRights14/02/13 02:03 PM
1

I'd agree that that title isn't helpful to the MRM, but it might make sense in context. If the rest of the debate titles are crazy and out-there it might not be all that inflammatory. The real problem is their sponsor warning them not to appear to be sympathising with men's rights. No matter what title they pick they're basicly being told they have to come to a particular conclusion.
/r/MensRights14/02/13 01:56 PM
2

Who is your sponsor and what relation do they have with the society? Is it a corporate sponsor, or someone in the SU? At any rate, I'd be inclined to bring it to the group and discuss with them the appropriateness of an outsider attempting to dictate the agenda of your group.
/r/MensRights13/02/13 03:24 PM
1

Great article, thanks for posting. Although I do think it's a little ironic that he plugs his book on an article about media manipulation.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 04:15 PM
2

Yes actually. She bought me coffee, and another one where she insisted on paying half. I was a bit surprised but very happy :)
/r/MensRights11/02/13 03:48 PM
2

Or this.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 03:27 PM
1

It's been a minor contraversy for the past few days. Basicly she had a whiskey at her friends house and was stopped for turning right on an intersection where there's no right turns. The garda who stopped her smelt alcahol on her breath so he brought her back to the station for testing. She took a urine test a while later and tested as being under the limit, but she complained that the gardaí handcuffed her and were rude while she was in the station, also that the media got hold of the story. Pe…
/r/MensRights11/02/13 03:10 PM
1

Which has no bearing on the fact that she was drink driving. You're not supposed to drink any alcahol when you drive.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 03:00 PM
6

Anyone who attempts suicide should be helped, but it's not a gender neutral issue. Clearly something in our society specifically makes men more likely to kill themselves. Part of our suicide prevention strategy needs to be finding out what that is and eradicating it. Any, yes, doing so requires a gendered approach and disposition of resources. I'm glad to say that many anti-suicide organisations already take this approach, as do NGOs focusing on other primarily male issues such as homelessness a…
/r/MensRights09/02/13 08:23 PM
4

Was there one to begin with? It's easy to say you're for equal rights when you're going to be the sole beneficiary.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 08:14 PM
3

Depends on your reading of that: For instance, if women are more likely to attempt suicide as a cry for help, it's not the same as a man attempting suicide because he thing he doesn't deserve help. If anything the "more likely to succeed" bit is the one we should be using to analyse which gender needs more help right now in terms of suicide prevention. But I'd agree that women's issues exist too if that's what you were saying.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 08:13 PM
1

I wasn't the one who made the comparison, in my opinion they aren't comparable.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 08:08 PM
4

Thankyou for your support! :)
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:55 PM
6

Because it fucks with their idea that sexism is a one-way street.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:54 PM
0

People looking for help fixing their car wouldn't usually refuse help from a knowledgable female, whereas people looking for care workers often do refuse males and treat them with mistrust.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:53 PM
17

Wow, she was actually found guilty and she walked?? I know it's unlikely she'll reoffend, but surely a message should be sent.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:47 PM
2

"roles" surely. Or is that the US spelling? Glad to hear it. Women should have the same chance to match themselves up to the same standards that men do, aswell as experience the same encouragement from society to do so.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:46 PM
2

Not to mention that she was caught drink driving, and then had the gall the complain that she was brought to the station and tested.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:20 PM
1

Me too.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:19 PM
1

Given that they specifically advertised looking for female carers to work in a field which usually discriminated against males, I still say it's a reasonable starting position to guess they were prejudiced against men.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:17 PM
2

Because male children are more likely to be diagnosed (and misdiagnosed) with ADD. Noone is saying you shouldn't have access to the meds you need. They're saying that those same meds shouldn't be used as some kind of cure-all for behaviour problems.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:11 PM
1

They also immediately oppose anything that is against feminism without looking any further into it. And the flipside is that they tend to immediately endorse anything that is feminist without looking any further into it. Hence stuff like VAWA.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:03 PM
1

Not automatically, but given the industry in question I'd say it's a pretty good guess.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 07:01 PM
2

and meals that fit inside a pill! Red or blue?
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:39 PM
1

Good for her :)
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:37 PM
1

Positive discrimination for non-whites in the US occurred against a background of a large non-white labour force who wanted to work and were often equally qualified to work, but were being denied the chance to do so based purely on unrelated prejudice. Positive discrimination for women occurs against a background of a small female labour force who are often less qualified to work than the candidates over whom they are selected and are only rarely disadvantaged due to unrelated prejudice. The rea…
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:33 PM
1

"I then told him that we should focus more on merit and not gender, to which he responded "but then women would be underrepresented". " So he thinks women have less merit than men, and we're the misogynists XD.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:21 PM
2

The problem is, that by doing so we're giving legitimacy to the feminists who oppose equal human rights for men.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:18 PM
2

There isn't one and it's far, far too late to supply one. The word has multiple and changing definitions, the content of which depend entirely on whom you're speaking to. MRA has a definition: Men's rights advocate. It's an umbrella term that includes extremists but doesn't imply association, in the same way that just because the nazis were political activists doesn't mean that all political activists are nazis. Feminism (and masculism for that matter) lacks a definition and those who associate …
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:16 PM
2

Well said. I doubt they'll respond but still :)
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:11 PM
10

"It's a common courtesy to favour one gender over the other? Cool. Do you like voting?"
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:05 PM
0

I could imagine grown up men and women wanting this kind of thing. People love dirt.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:03 PM
3

Well, yes, it's only just been launched.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:03 PM
1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_dilution Not necessarily. Intel has successfully sued people for using the form "x inside" a few times.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:02 PM
-2

So it's basicly "register her," expanded to every male person.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 11:58 AM
1

I think you mean well, but there is serious prejudice against men when it comes to kids.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 11:54 AM
4

"tame their masculine energy from growing into a destructive world force." I don't see any way this can be saved. Write everything down, record as much as you can, then lawyer up.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 11:51 AM
1

Wow, congratulations :)
/r/MensRights09/02/13 11:47 AM
2

Thanks for sharing I meant.
/r/MensRights08/02/13 10:38 PM
35

Just had a look, seems some people don't like others having opinions different to their own.
/r/MensRights08/02/13 10:18 PM
3

What a great article. Thanks OP :)
/r/MensRights08/02/13 09:55 PM
2

Thanks for your support :) Personally I find that when people start going off like that there isn't much arguing with them. Only do so if there's other people listening who might be swayed. Maybe drop a few links to something like these: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/01/women-raping-men-a-surviv_n_2224204.html http://www.disinfo.com/2012/09/male-soldier-writes-about-surviving-female-on-male-rape/
/r/MensRights08/02/13 09:50 PM
2

Good luck :)
/r/MensRights08/02/13 09:32 PM
3

Generally I'd agree, but check out the how ideology is calculated section on the far right. Generally speaking "liberal" philosophies and social concerns will tend to stack together, like gay rights, ethnic minority rights, women's rights etc. But when it come's to men's rights there's a spanner in the works because the whole thing is predicated on the idea of extremes. Straight people have rights, gays don't. White people have rights, nonwhites don't. Gender doesn't work like that, it's a subtl…
/r/MensRights08/02/13 09:12 PM
13

My response: The author lost all credibility when he linked to jezebel and an "intelligence brief" (blog article) based on a manboobz writeup. Roy should probably learn something about the MRM and the issues it's trying to solve before he compares it to hate groups. I guess I'll just go back to my "bigoted and hate filled stances" like thinking that male victims of DV are just as important as female ones.
/r/MensRights08/02/13 08:45 PM
1

Gender Identity Dysphoria.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 03:17 PM
1

I didn't realise there was a word for it with so many vowels! It's almost like reading as gaeilge. The rest sounds familiar, but I suspect that the empowerment feminists aren't being that machievellian for the most part.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 03:16 PM
1

All good ideas, but he didn't say he was going to go and yell at them.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:41 PM
1

I once spent a few months in a foreign country with a valid visa but no documentation. I used to spend around six hours a day jobhunting, but there comes a point where you just can't walk into another place that plainly isn't going to hire you. Never been homeless as such, but I can see how someone in that situation might spend time on reddit.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:37 PM
1

There's all kinds of ways a homeless person can get internet access. And alot of the younger ones do.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:35 PM
3

Not doubting you, but is it active censorship or just supply and demand? I'm guessing most libraries won't have a full-text of "A Brief History of Time" either.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:34 PM
1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Self-made-Man-My-Year-Disguised/dp/1843545047/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359923417&sr=8-1 Not exactly a men's rights book, but it's still an interesting read. Basicly a feminist woman cross dressed as a man for a year expecting to uncover all kinds of privilege, but instead found that being a man or a woman comes with serious ups and downs no matter what site you're on. Also she managed to give herself GID along the way. I wouldn't agree with all of it, but it's a very very …
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:32 PM
5

If it is, it's so veiled that it actually ends up reinforcing their prejudice.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:28 PM
3

Fair enough :). Maybe try out the people at /r/egalitarian or [this guy][http://ozyfrantz.com/]. There are people out there who are partners, but for the moment there's probably too much bad blood to expect the mainstream MRM to accept feminism as a whole.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:27 PM
8

Ugh, pretty much: "Real men are white knights"
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:22 PM
9

Well no it still up to us to prove to them we are not anti feminism. Except that some of us are, and it's just as valid a viewpoint as pro-feminism. Maybe do some good will. They'll never step down and I am willing to cross the bridge if it'll mean MRA not being synonymous with mysoginistic There's been plenty of goodwill in the past. If you're hoping for the vast majority of feminists to "see the light" and suddenly accept that the MRM is actually quite important just because you threw them a b…
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:18 PM
7

Maybe she was cheating on him, maybe she wasn't, it's all guesswork. At any rate I don't think he should be able to force her to keep the child.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:12 PM
8

We need to lose the stigma that MRA is anti feminism! First of all not all MRAs are anti-feminist, some MRAs even identify as feminists themselves. But the ball is really in the feminist court at this point. If they dropped the misandry and ostracised the haters on any kind of scale they'd probably have more MRAs being interested in what they have to say about equality.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 08:10 PM
6

Really? I thought they were keeping that stuff out.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 07:52 PM
11

I don't think the developer was motivated by feminist misandry, but they're tapping into general misandry all the same.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 07:41 PM
12

Fetish!? Begone evil sexual content! Appstore wants none of your vile erotica! ;)
/r/MensRights03/02/13 07:37 PM
11

Video games aimed at kids shouldn't promote abusive behaviour. Whether it's abuse of men or women it doesn't make a difference, it shouldn't be out there. Adult games are a little different, expecially if they're obviously not serious like GTA.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 07:36 PM
1

Empowerment feminism has more in common with the morality of the master than the slave. Either way Nietzeism is a useful set of ideas for reading feminism.
/r/MensRights03/02/13 06:22 PM
-1

If it was tissue from just one donated foreskin it would be much less of an issue. The fact is that this industry is dependant on ongoing genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 05:06 PM
2

A decent laundry list? Social and legal recognition of male rape, and the prevelance of male rape, including envelopment or "made to penetrate" Social and legal recognition of anti-male DV, especially that perpetrated by women. Recognition of infant circumcision as genital mutilation Efforts made to address men and boys increasingly falling behind the education system That the laws which allow the dismissal of men from the US college system on the basis of unfounded accusations be immediately re…
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:46 PM
2

Just a thought: Are there similar "good PUAs" for women?
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:35 PM
16

It was really weird watching people cheering for the possibility of women (people) being forced to go to war. I didn't see anyone cheer that personally. All I saw were people hoping that exposing women to the same risk as men might kickstart society into actually doing something about it.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:34 PM
7

Did they? I didn't see anything in the article saying that they didn't convict her because they couldn't imagine a woman killing someone. What they did say was that, in their opinion, premeditated murder hadn't been proven.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:31 PM
5

Again, I don't know what evidence was presented, but people are occasionally framed, yes.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:25 PM
2

You know live in a patriarchal society when the word feminist has a weird connotation. So "patriarchal" means "demands a standard of proof for extraordinary claims"? Incidentally, calling yourself an MRA definitely has a "weird connotation." By their logic this is proof that society is biased against men.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:24 PM
4

We do?
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:22 PM
3

Not at all, there's a control: Women being feminine. If society were genuinely opposed to femininity, rather than just men being unmasculine, there would be similar censure when women act in an feminine manner. Also, women do receive criticism for acting/dressing in a masculine manner. The codes have just changed to the degree that some masculine dress is also considered feminine. I don't see feminists arguing that this is evidence that society universally reject masculinity.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:21 PM
1

Yep, in that they both derive from "The Martyr" as the social ideal.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:13 PM
21

In the absence on any significant proof Er, presumption of innocence? I'm unwilling to judge too harshly without seeing the evidence they were presented with. It's possible there simply wasn't enough to convict her. Sometimes criminals get away with it. It's this ridiculous attitude most people have where they can't imagine a woman killing somebody without good cause. Juries aren't supposed to convict people on the basis of their imagination.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 04:05 PM
43

From the comments on the photo: Jemal (with male photo): "Wow! I've been so upset by all the harassment, but looking at that pile, I can see that there is certainly a silver lining: playing all those fantastic games. Now you have both my respect AND my jealousy! :-)" So let me get this straight, you were upset by mean words on the internet, even though they weren't directed at you and you aren't a member of the social group they slurred? But you're happy that the person who they were directed at…
/r/MensRights28/01/13 02:57 PM
0

Well said, upvoted.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 02:52 PM
10

Give her a break, it must be hard to have to play her way through all of those games for the first time /s
/r/MensRights28/01/13 02:51 PM
1

Nope, it's definitely a gender issue. While circumcision certainly wasn't caused by misandry, the lack of concern about it is definitely an extension of society's double standards when it comes to the well being of men and women. Something can be a concern for men's rights, that doesn't mean it has to be because of, or use women as a blame catalyst. Who said describing it as a gender issue has to lay the blame at women's feet? Everyone's involved in this. I'm pretty sure alot of the pediatrician…
/r/MensRights28/01/13 01:43 PM
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