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ScienceCommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 08:12 PM
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CMVCommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 08:16 PM
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CMVCommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:01 AM
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Purge CMV!CommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:07 PM
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Question For WomenCommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:16 PM
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DiscussionCommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 08:53 PM
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Question For WomenCommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 08:51 PM
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CMVCommanderBobcat/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 10:33 PM
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Because people need to cope with their just world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:46 PM
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Copium. Women don't need society to convince them that tall handsome guys with big dicks should get their pussy wet. That happens automatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 08:45 PM
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Sorry I wish things were different, but I can't change the computer inside every woman's brain that calculates net SMV as a function of a guys height, face and frame in tenths of a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:44 AM
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And that's a good thing. Must guys are too ugly to deserve sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 05:32 PM
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What are we to use without stats? Made up personal anecdotes?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:54 AM
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Online dating magnifies hypergamy. I know because I was a participant. I was a student at a university on one side of a major city and fucked women in universities on the opposite side of that city. before Tinder that would be nearly impossible, but nowadays the guys who fuck any subset of women are sourced from a narrower and more exclusive group. In fact I was a member of that group in the mid 2010s, but now I only barely edge in because I got facial surgeries and do roids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 01:35 AM
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There are only 2 criteria Is he sexually attractive? Will he kill me? However if 1 is high enough women will even ignore red flags caused by 2. Any relationship where anything beyond these factors matter is not a relationship, it's a tactical arrangement for resources/emotional support.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:30 PM
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Yes. That's where the cultural meme of women not liking sex comes from. In reality women very much like sex but only with men in the top 20%. It's more culturally stable for men on the whole to believe that women generally don't like sex than for the non top 20% men to discover that it's just their inferior genes that keep their wives from getting wet for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:28 PM
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The obvious answer is that men who don't need to make more money than their SO's to be with them are more likely to be sexually attractive chads, and chads are more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:27 PM
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People here exaggerate how difficult it is to get pussy on online apps. If you're short, facially below 5/10 or bald dating apps might as well be an offline only app.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:26 PM
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It's ok for a woman to want a guy to wait for sex, but guys make no mistake it means that she doesn't find you that viscerally attractive. If she did she wouldn't make you wait for sex. Whether you're ok with that is up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:05 PM
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Women cant empathize with anything. they can empathize with this dick
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 12:03 AM
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for men, visuals are literally everything as far as raw, base physical attraction is concerned That's not true. For men it's visuals and sexual attitude/enthusiasm. A guy will get way more turned on by a 4/10 who really adores his dick and wants to fuck him like an animal vs a 9/10 who is willing to have sex with him but shows minimal enthusiasm. That's an easy trump card ugly women can pull, but doesn't work nearly the same way for men. An ugly man is no more sexy to women if he shows high sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 07:45 PM
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I think it's rather those on these pages are most likely to be Analytical and cynical, not taking positive and bluepilled as default (goes for men and women) Likely to have been treated less than positively at some point in their lives by the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 05:34 PM
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Likewise there are a few things about women which go against the narrative here Many women will tolerate men "showing their feelings" or being vulnerable. Women can empathize with the "incel problem" and men not getting sex. It's not that they don't care and want ugly men to die, it's just that the trouble of helping sexually desperate men is more than its worth. Just because someone doesn't help every single homeless person they see doesn't mean they don't care about the problem of homelessness…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 01:37 AM
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Sorry but if the thought of fucking you is a more tantalizing prospect to these men than their entire friendship with you then that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 12:34 AM
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the more important thing to me is why women have these feelings? Is it just arbitrary? Do sexual fetishes like that exist in a vacuum?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 12:33 AM
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more important to sculpt your face bro
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 12:31 AM
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Men only see uninteresting women as sexual resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 12:30 AM
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It's weird because you don't see that used w.r.t. women. I've never seen something where a woman does a horrible thing and someone comments "no real woman would do that". Maybe the connotations for men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 09:06 PM
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So you believe now that everyone is the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 09:01 PM
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That women loved sex as much as men They do but not often with men they're married to. Marriage for women is the opposite of an aphrodisiac. A man who has been "conquered" by domesticity is inherently unsexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 09:00 PM
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It basically implies men are better by what it teaches. The core of the red pill is that the men most attractive to women are men who are outwardly better than them and respect them only as fuck toys. The implication this makes about the feminine sexual psychology is that men are better than women, in that women are wired to getting off to being inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 10:16 PM
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TRP argues that men are better than women, but men have to work and prove that they are worthy of being better. Incels argue that men are better than women, but men don't have to work or prove that they are, they just are by virtue of being men and being mistreated by women. FDS argues that women are better than men, but women don't have to work or prove that they are, they just are by the virtue of being women and being mistreated by men. It's obvious where the equivalent is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 09:09 PM
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Who women choose to fuck freely using condoms and birth control doesn't correlate to who they marry and raise the children of. In western nations there is still a bias for the biological parent to raise the child or at least financially provide for it, though in a natural society it would be harems where only 1-2 men fuck hundreds of women and the entire community raises them. The somewhat monogamous system for children we have now allows dysgenics, as ugly men and women can still breed. Even in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 08:50 PM
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I'm sure there'd be negative redpill men going AWALT but I'm also certain the vast majority of comments would be ok with it and echo the sentiment "you can break up with anyone at anytime for any reason, your choices are your own and you aren't obligated to stay with this guy, especially if you feel that doing so would lead to resentment over feeling left out".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:40 AM
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Delusional women get what they want for 15-20 years. Delusional men never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:36 AM
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Yet a lot of them still actively try and pursue women, except this time repeating blatant misogynistic red-pill rhetoric and like... how do you expect any self-respecting woman to be okay with that? Their goal is to be the kind of man who can say those things and still get enthusiastic pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:35 AM
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Randomly implies that for every person there's an equal chance he or she will marry any member of the opposite sex. Statistically it looks like two bell curves overlapping at their edges. In most cases it will be some 5'10" guy with a 5'4" woman, 5'8" guy with a 5'6" woman, and occasionally a shorter ~5'5" guy with a 5'7" woman. Throw them all together like throwing shit at a dart board and most couples will have the man be taller, but some won't just by pure randomness. Pure randomness assumes …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 01:41 AM
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*92.5% of couples the man was taller by an average of 5.6” / 14.1cm. Standard deviation of 5.6” / 14.224 *3.4% of couples were the same height. *4.1% of couples the woman was taller. Standard deviation of 3.7” / 9.3cm If choice were out of their hands, 10.2 percent of heterosexual couples would have a man either the same height or shorter than the woman — the reality is 26 percent lower than that. So basically randomly the pairing would be 10.2% equal or greater height women in couples, but irl …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:49 PM
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It helped me understand the manipulative tactics women use towards beta men, so that I understood I had to looksmax until I no longer encountered those tactics in women, as it indicated they no longer considered me beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:32 PM
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Every one of those mutable traits is at most 50% mutable. Your physical health is dependent on what food you can afford, your genetic predispositions to gaining muscle/weight. Income is largely correlated with how much your parents made. A lot of personality is genetic and doesn't vary much throughout one's lifetime. if you focus on status and behavioral presence, even if she doesn't desire you the way you wished, she'll respect you, and quite frankly what's the difference? A dutiful wife is a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:30 PM
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That's because 92% of men are taller than the average woman. If there was no height preference at all then that would be about the rate that men, at complete random, would pair up with women of relative heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:28 PM
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Pick up a skin care routine, go to the gym, dress fashionable for your age bracket/target market, and improve your career prospects. Then join the class of Chad that gets to enjoy having rotations of 2+ women at all times. Not me though, but would you say this to someone short and unattractive? IMO chads need to have good faces or be tall. Skin doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 02:54 AM
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No one is plowing through hundreds of sex partners, male or female. This is a juvenile fantasy. Thinking it never happens is just as juvenile as thinking it happens all the time. Of course not every women is hooking up with high value men over and over, but a large number are and significantly aren't revealing it to these studies. Women routinely understate their sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 01:22 AM
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Well the fact that what women seek chiefly in men (height, facial dimorphism, dick size, wealth, and status) all are fall along a normal distribution with a centered mean, I would contend that they are universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:39 AM
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Most women have 5 or less sex partners in their whole lives because they're not men. Most men aren't Chad and at most will have the ability to fuck approximately 5 people in their lives. Where are you getting that source from? Things I've read vary the average lifetime number of sex partners between 5 and 13 for men and women (though these are from older studies which may not be accurate w.r.t nowadays). You don't really have an argument or address anything in my post so I'm going to have to ask…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:36 AM
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I'm sorry but in my experience the guys who fuck the most have the least empathy for women. They're popular and hot and know women will still worship them even if they treat them like shit. You could have lied to me when I was a naïve child but I have too much life experience to think that niceness means shit with respect to sexual attraction. I'm nice to people because they're humans, not because I want to fuck. Most "nice guys" probably are too but since most of them are unmasculine and ugly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:32 AM
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It's a struggle to find someone to fuck as a guy, the fucking with a woman attracted to you isn't tough. By conquest I mean the long journey between no attraction and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:29 AM
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Maybe we have a disagreement on semantics. For me there's Ugly - bottom 10th percentile Unattractive 10-30th percentile Average 30-70th percentile Attractive 70-90th percentile Hot 90-100th percentile Being average means you're neither unattractive nor attractive, you're neutral. However women see the average (i.e. 50th percentile man) as ugly or unattractive. There is a default disgust bias towards the average man, the same bias men have only against bottom 20th percentile or extremely fat wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:27 AM
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I never said average meant attractive, I'm saying that it's clear women's perception is skewed when they see average as ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:10 AM
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You need to stop being jealous of better looking people. I am better looking people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:07 AM
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No that's a choice. Men who are desperate choose to be desperate. I refuse to date or even sleep with women that I don't find attractive. for 30-40% of men that means never getting to have sex ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:54 PM
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Of course there are exceptions, but I'm trying to flesh out a trend. I can't of course describe the exact parameters of every sexual encounter ever had in the last 10 years by every one of the 100 million young people in the western world, but if that was the requirement for making an argument then no arguments could ever be had about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:48 PM
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Everyone goes after their best offer. That doesn't mean women are going after a small percentage, that's not how math works. It does mean they are going after a small percentage. If there were 100 men and 100 women in a group, and the 10 most attractive of those men fucked all 100 women, then all the women fuck but 90% of the men don't. This may be hyperbolic but there's nothing mathematically impossible about it. Paying for a date that results in sex, is still paying There's no date. High value…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:47 PM
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Like a lot of people you misunderstand cause vs effect. Guys are playing videogames, watching porn, and masturbating a lot more nowadays not instead of going out and fucking, but because they've been relegated to that position by a sexual marketplace that doesn't want them. These people try, very hard actually, yet if they have a bad face or are short it becomes far harder than it is worth, and the women they do get with will constantly see them as inferior to the other men she could get with if…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:44 PM
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It actually is realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:38 PM
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It's something that is difficult, involves risks, but has rewards. Women may feel the same way about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:37 PM
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80%...I don't think you understand how averages work lol. That's literally the point regarding how women have high standards. They fail to see the humanity of ugly men, so they think "average" is where the 80th percentile actually is. "Become the next Bill Gates poor person" I'm sorry you don't understand what an illustrative analogy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:36 PM
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Things are bad now, but they could be worse so you should be happy! Not an argument. Things could be better but the systems we have today actively make them worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:35 PM
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What someone finds attractive does not change based on whether it's an average trait. Average men need to realize that being average means nothing It means a lot. The average height for men in the US (5'9") is seen as neutral or unattractive to the majority of women. Average penis size (5.5") is seen as small and unsexy, average income for young men (30-40k per year) is unimpressive and would not be enough to compensate with. There is no average trait a woman finds attractive. Women will always …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:33 PM
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Thank you for admitting it. As an average man you are worth less than nothing nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:30 PM
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I never said entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:29 PM
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I agree that most of the problems that face men are their own, and can be solved to some extent. My gripe is not with the men who fail to improve, but the caustic nature of the sexual marketplace that matches significant efforts to improve with little reward and enhanced misery. Please enlighten us, how did you find yourself in the situation where, despite being married you are going to fuck 2-5 women, and how would an average man develop himself into securing that lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:31 PM
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First, no ones fucking hundreds of women a year lol, people have jobs and things to do. lol There's always the dudes not getting laid, that's a story as old as time. The fact that that number is way higher now seems to be ignored by people like you. It's like working in a Radium factory and saying "people get cancer all the time, it's nothing new". If everyone was more miserable those apps wouldn't be booming "If meth was bad there wouldn't be so much demand for it"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:27 PM
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I’ve seen plenty short guys who are just doing fine I've seen this comment probably 500 times. It's delusional to think niceness has any positive effect on a man's sexual prospects. You can have one bad trait, but other things have to compensate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:26 PM
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Plus, it boils down to the same thing men in this sub post all the time: women should lower their standards, or become as desperate as men are. Except we don't have to, and we aren't. Women rate 80% of men as below average. Men have to be desperate because the female brain only gets horny for the best of the best. What I don't understand is why men don't behave the same way. It's not our fault that you're willing to settle. Go for that top 1% of women. Enjoy yourself. I wish most men could but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:21 PM
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Guys can't be blamed for being 5'5" and ugly. It's only their genetics. Or they're systemically poor and can't afford surgery. Either way most benefactors of the modern sexual marketplace didn't earn their advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:19 PM
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While you apparently are enjoying a carefree slayer lifestyle you seem upset for some reason. If you were really enjoying yourself you'd be more chill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:00 PM
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Women are not whole sale going after top men, that's just an excuse little boys with no ability to talk to women make. Yes they are, or rather they go for the highest tier men they can manage to attract. Assuming there is some truth to your story I would say the guy who sleeps with all these women benefit a whole lot from the exchange, at the expense of his wallet ofcourse. Chad doesn't have to pay for sex, how bluepilled. Women don't compare the man infront of them to their past in order to qua…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 08:45 PM
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it is not a compliment, it's a veiled "you're lucky you got into a LTR with me, I could easily go and fuck a big dick stud if I want to really get dicked down, but I guess you're comfortable enough for the moment"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 07:54 PM
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currently the technology for hair restoration and facial surgery is very very advanced and any average guy could turn into a male model if he knew how not to go overboard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 07:52 PM
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My dad's been happily married to my mother for more than 40 years You can't compare an average guy's potential for sexual success in the 1970s to an average guy's potential for sexual success today. It's like comparing two entirely different universes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 08:59 PM
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They disgust you because you imagine them as being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 08:56 PM
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Actually it is their looks. Most guys overestimate their attractiveness. If a guy thinks he's average he's likely no higher than a 4/10. Average guys think they're a bit above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 08:55 PM
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I don't agree with much of the redpill but at least it offers men an end-goal that they want, namely genuine sexual reciprocity. In no bluepilled circles this is not offered as an end-goal. At best you get into a polyamorous relationship and your girlfriend fucks 4x as often as you do. The bluepill myth seems to imply that we can live in a sexual free-market yet romantic rewards are distributed equitably. It's like imagining that we can live in a pure free market economy and hope that capital is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 08:51 PM
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There's no way to fix it for most men, you can't change biology, I just wish unattractive men were told the truth about their sexual prospects. It seems that a lot of things depend on people living in delusions. Maybe once sexbots and good VR comes out less attractive men will have enough to be placated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 06:52 PM
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The term "husband material" was made up to placate unattractive men who dont get sex no matter how much they are liked personally. The term "fuckboy" was made up to disparage attractive men who can get sex no matter how much they may be hated personally. In either case the label doesn't affect the sex they get, and attractive men continue to win regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 04:39 PM
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What specifically did you do to looksmax
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 12:54 AM
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Biggest winners: wealthy, attractive, sociopathic men and all women Losers: every other man
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:45 AM
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his penis was a few inches shorter than yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 07:12 PM
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I don't think most guys want to pressure their girl into doing things they don't want to do. But maybe I'm wrong and the guys I know aren't representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 05:00 AM
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If it's not my problem then what is? I tend to do very well with women in the flirting/foreplay stage. It's not like I can control how they react to my penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:59 AM
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Most guys are turned on by their partners being turned on. That's why they like wild, raunchy sex, if their partner enjoys it it means she is very turned on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:38 AM
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The thing is my penis isn't even a micropenis, it's like 35th percentile. I feel that my experiences are bad but they must be even worse for everyone below that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:34 AM
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Do you think I would have signified “genuine passion and arousal” if I was nagged and pressured into sex I didn’t enjoy? Well i imagine not because it seems that you didn't enjoy it. However I do not think this is the case for the majority of casual sexual encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:33 AM
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There's no equivalent of a breast implant for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:26 AM
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Obviously I don't know that because I wasn't there in the room with you when it happened. I imagine you want me to answer your long-term partners, which seems to be the case since you said you enjoy it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:25 AM
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I, and a lot of men, don't care about the quantity of things done during sex, but rather the quality. When guys think about sex, they recall: how firmly did she press her arms against me, how quickly did she unbuckle my pants, how deep did she stick her tongue down my throat, how loud did she moan, etc. All these things signify genuine passion and arousal, and imo matter more than whether a girl is into anal or anything else you'd see on Pornhub.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:17 AM
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No she gave me a pity handjob and left. In general I'm excellent UNTIL my dick is involved. Sadly all the claims reg. motion of the ocean vs size seem to be bullshit because in every case women I'm with go from boiling hot to lukewarm in terms of arousal when I penetrate. Even before that, just looking at it seems like a turn off to them. I contrast my lived experience with places like /r/bigdickproblems (humblebraggers anonymous) or even worse, /r/bigdickjoy, and I seriously question how love i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:15 AM
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I'm talking about number of people a woman has killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 04:05 AM
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I don't think sex should be an award, it should be a mutual, embracingly intense and wrought experience of tenderness and passion. Sadly it has devolved into an award because most women know that men want sex a lot more than women do on average. However the reality is is that women do want sex, so my big concern is whether or not what makes women want sex correlates to things men can control or things men can't control about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:58 AM
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I have a below-average penis, not significantly so, but enough that it could be honestly described as "small" as a 5'7" guy could be described as "short". And I wouldn't say it was laughing, but more a beat that bifurcated the night in two, from sensual and serious to pathetic and cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:47 AM
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I've never seen a good plastic surgery result for men where the before didn't involve a significant, definable deformity. Please share some if you know any.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:38 AM
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Trust me man the average penis is widely accepted by the vast majority of women. 5.5" is statistically average but considered small, just as 5'9" is statistically average height for guys in the USA but considered short. I know you're trying to equivocate but you've obviously never been in a position where a woman laughs at your dick size and ghosts you from then on out. At that point you understand just how much the things you can't change matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:37 AM
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there are thousands of stories about men who get with women who then break up with them due to their small penis, and then share that fact with their friend group who are aware of it. Likewise a guy with a big dick will more likely get repeat visits and referrals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:28 AM
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weight can be changed, same as wealth (though that's harder). IF YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON AND HONEST WITH YOURSELF AND OTHERS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT, YOU WILL FIND SOMEONE. Sorry that's magical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:26 AM
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why do you think it should be removed completely
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:25 AM
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And likewise a woman can hide the fact that she's a mother until well into the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:22 AM
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I don't want rules, I want to see how this post makes people feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:18 AM
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It's based on how women tend to negotiate sex as a bargaining chip, esp in longer term relationships. Of course I'd love it to be something where extreme enthusiasm is 100% mutual all the time but that is rarely the case it seems in most relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:17 AM
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I don't care about body count, but it seems to matter quite a bit given how often it's brought up here and in culture in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:14 AM
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All a guy has to do is to not be a weirdo and to go talk to women, and invariably he will meet women who will be attracted to him. That comes from a very privileged position. Either you're a naturally attractive guy or you're a woman. The average man cannot just go out to "talk to women" and expect to get any sort of sexual interest. It's like telling a an average golfer to "just play golf" if he wants to hit a hole-in-one. Sure the more he tries the higher his chances, but nowadays natural sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:10 PM
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The problem is most guys can't get into short term relationships because they aren't hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:05 PM
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I mean, its probably more than feet fetishists, but I'm sure there is a moderate group of women that don't like the cocksure IDGAF tude-dude. When I say fuckboy material I mean in a physical sense. Being a fuckboy is a reaction to the natural success you get with women. An ugly, weak man can act like a fuckboy but it isn't going to help him at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:03 PM
26

fuckboy material can only attract a very specific demographics of women So being tall, handsome, low-inhibition and hung are niche traits that only specific demos of women go for?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 07:57 PM
17

perhaps as a tactic to get them to commit, but it's so common that women lose attraction to the men they marry quickly that it's hard to believe that they were their ideal pick. It's much more likely that among the women who marry, the person they marry is below the tier of the men she had short NSA flings with, as those men are likely a higher percentile than her given the pareto distribution of male/female sexual value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 07:56 PM
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Regardless of whether you're into ONS and short term flings or not, it's better to be fuckboy material in all cases because women will treat a fuckboi adopting a beta role (alpha-bucks or Disney prince mode) far better than they'll treat a beta adopting a beta role. The former is actually listed after and rewarded for sacrificing his many sexual options for one woman, while the latter is given starfish sex and considered "lucky" he even gets to fuck at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 07:28 PM
1

I don't agree that them "caring too much" is anything but their natural sexuality. No matter how many essays we pen on this matter, noone's going to change human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:47 AM
1

There's something about female attraction you have to understand. Women see themselves getting with men in the third person. That's why social proof matters so much to them, they get off on the idea of a neutral observer seeing them get with a top-tier guy. It's not so much an affect they put on for social clout, but the way they use their social brains to evaluate mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:35 AM
1

The secret is facial harmony and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:33 AM
1

If you have a butt ugly face does that naturally make you more attracted to ugly people? Yes but only as a coping mechanism. I think guys are much more open to getting with non-conventional partners, while women tend to be less tolerant of unfortunately formed men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:33 AM
1

You are correct. You will never get sex. You didn't make the cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:31 AM
6

It does happen but only if you're attractive enough. The idea of facilitating an ugly man getting sex gives women the icks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:27 AM
2

It's perfectly plausible but accounts for a small minority of sexual attraction and couplings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 03:16 PM
4

True but the difference in income between tall, handsome men and ugly short men is miniscule vs the difference in income between intelligent, contentious men and unintelligent, lazy men. However it's been shown that intelligent men actually have less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 03:15 PM
4

The commitment for a man who wishes to reproduce is a small percentage of his sperm and maybe 2-10 minutes of time. The commitment for a woman is 9 months plus however many years that kid is dependent on her. The difference is astronomical. It's literally a 1,000,000:1 difference in needed investment. Naturally, absent of cultural coercion, women's preferences and level of sexual discernment is that degree removed from men. There is always a cost to allowing a less than perfect man potentially i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 05:32 PM
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True. The only disadvantage to sharing a top-tier man is his dick can't be in multiple women simultaneously. If you're not literally the best women will see getting with you as a compromise as they could easily have secured better genes getting with the relatively superior man. People have to realize that a woman's sexual preferences require strict hierarchal ranking of men. If you're letting a guy inseminate you, that's 9 months of devoted parasitic growth, so it better be fucking worth it. Why…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 05:22 PM
1

5'10" guys don't get to be models
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 05:18 PM
1

Send me a pic of yourself and I'll tell you if you're really a 9 or a 10, or you're getting scammed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 06:12 PM
1

Because abusive = powerful, and women like powerful men, far more than weak, acquiescent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 06:09 PM
2

Again you misunderstand what the 80/20 or 90/10 rule means. It basically states that absent of artificial barriers the top X% of men are engaged with the top 1-X% of women. In more permissive environments (like online DMs) X is a lot smaller, in less permissive environments with more barriers X is a lot larger. Online X is like 0.5%, in the world of casual sex and hookups X is like 10%, but in long-term relationships X is like 45%
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 06:24 PM
1

So what do you think, that men don't overestimate their attractiveness? It's obvious looking at the male ego that men generally have a higher perception of themselves than fits reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 05:45 PM
2

More like 0.5% of the men have 99.5% of the sexual experiences/interactions. Chads get more unsolicited nudes in a day than a community college's entire engineering class gets in a year. The only reason it's more like 90/10 in the real world is that high tier men can only fuck one girl at a time, which limits them to like 5 a day maximum. However a top tier guy could sext 200 girls a day if he wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 05:29 PM
2

By bar I mean the level at which women are honest and open regarding their libido. Though for women it's only inches away from the ceiling.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 02:55 AM
2

Surprising? No, but they do let a man know what the bar is. Never encountering 1/100th of it in his lifetime and he knows where he stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:26 AM
7

Chad is just a shorthand for the basic effect of high-tier men having an effect on women similar to the effect women have on men. It's easier than saying alpha male or handsome guy, or catchier. By making it comical it allows average men to more manageably deal with the truth of how easily they are passed over and seen as robots next to these guys. I wish it was some other way but I've seen no evidence to the contrary. Whether it's 80/20, 95/5 or 99.5/0.5, it's growing every year due to OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:01 AM
1

Which makes them higher value, or higher status. It's very difficult to become high status as an introvert.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:39 AM
9

Women like to pretend that Chad is an unrealistic exaggeration of how men see themselves and not the way women think, but just look at any comment section of any video with Henry Cavill, Jason Momoa, or any other tall handsome superhero actor in it. It really seems to be how heterosexual women perceive top tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:38 AM
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It's the 99.5/0.5 rule if we're being honest with ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:50 PM
1

Extraversion = constructive to social networks = significantly higher value in tribal societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 11:49 PM
7

AF/BB still applies, just not contemporaneously. Women will try to LTR the alphas but only the top 10% of women will succeed. Every other women will have to compromise and get with betas later on after they've had enough of their failed attempts to pin down alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 09:35 PM
18

Giga-IQ. People hate anyone who's interest is actual improvement. They'd prefer sexually unsuccessful men to fret over meaningless bullshit that doesn't change their sexual destiny. Double jaw surgery, under eye fillers and implants can turn any guy into a 7 at the very minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 09:33 PM
2

Women's preferences will only evolve if there's a selective pressure to do so. Rich, more successful men have fewer children, so the pressure is in the other direction. Even if rich nerdy men did have more children, their wives still likely fantasize about tall Chads so they're going to pass that AF/BB instinct along to their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 09:31 PM
1

The answers are very obvious. Online dating, increased financial success among women, and social changes leading to later marriages in the western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 09:29 PM
2

Guys are presented the truth, they know the truth, but they don't want to believe the truth, otherwise their copes shatter to pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 06:35 PM
3

People make simple things more complicated because it lets them cope that there's a way to succeed that hasn't been discovered. Attraction is plain and simple, and the vast majority is based on genetic factors. However if sexual success was some vast labyrinth of techniques, philosophy, and application, then success is a matter of understanding the "deep complexity" rather than it being more a matter of predestination. To realize that who gets pussy/high value committed dick is as simple as it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 06:33 PM
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If women had to face the dating environment of the average guy, 9/10 of them would fall into a severe clinical depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 03:06 AM
3

That's my point. A lot of red pillers perceive reproduction as the only imperative when there's more to it than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 10:53 PM
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They don't want a beautiful domestic slave, they just want a similarly attractive woman who finds them sexually attractive who does an equitable amount of the paid/unpaid labor in the relationship. Sadly that's a pipe dream for mediocre men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 09:43 PM
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For hypergamy to work in a society where at least half citizens are men, a large portion of the men have to be excluded from sexual relationships as a mathematical rule. The fundamental principle that has made most civilizations successful is the family unit. Men without families are far less productive and selfish in their behavior. Hypergamy assures this will only increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 08:45 PM
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This is literally a parody. 8/10 Chad gives advice that means nothing to ugly guys because any technique they try won't benefit them either way. It's like a trust fund millionaire giving guys advice on personal finance. I remember this one guy used pics of the guy in OP's video on Tinder and had attractive women across the globe sending him nudes and videos literally begging for sex. He would leave them on read for weeks then message them and they'd be back on his dick in 8 seconds. There really…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 08:38 PM
2

Because the power they have over bottom 80% men means nothing to them, they only care about the power they don't have over the top 5%
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 08:35 PM
3

You're only assuming that. What makes you think he has hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:41 PM
7

Michael sounds like bitter full of insecurities redpilled dush. A big No straight away But if Michael didn't do those things people would say he isn't trying hard enough to get the results he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:32 PM
3

That's only true because men have a much wider range of what they find attractive due to their low disgust threshold. Women have far higher disgust thresholds and thus have a more narrow acceptance of what they find attractive. Just look at the morphology of male strippers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:35 PM
2

That's a significant exaggeration and you know it. It's super easy to find a date even as a below average looking woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:29 PM
5

You're reaching if you think what some people say in this subreddit besmirches the whole male gender. Should I refrain from dating women because one might be an FDS poster? I think you get the perception that people's opinions are more toxic than they really are. People are drawn to hyperbole online because its more likely to invoke a passionate response. Some people like debate because it hammers out the truth more than polite sharing of opinions. As heated as debate can get on gender issues, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:05 AM
3

A poor person can become rich. Can an ugly guy become Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:58 AM
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I've read 100 different versions of that last sentence of your post. It's usually levied as a trump-card checkmate, a la "you silly sex-obsessed men so fraught over not being Chad that you think his life's a nonstop orgy". You complain about us putting words in your mouth and then you strawman us like that, lol. All I'm saying is unremarkable men should be allowed to feel bad after seeing how top-tier men are treated generally by women and then contrasting that experience with their own. I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 05:00 AM
2

That's something I've thought about. IMO most collective progress depends on shared delusion. Cultures, religions, nationalistic mythos historically have propelled societies to farther and more productive ends than they would have reached otherwise. To be a good soldier, you have to believe the possible lie that you are on the good side and your enemy is the bad side. To be a productive worker, you have to believe that your efforts will be rewarded in the end, and your superiors are looking afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:34 AM
1

If they had strong egos this wouldn't make anyone depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:21 AM
8

Lmao, and guys worry about their emoji choice when texting women. If emoji choice mattered you've already lost. It's either "fuck yes" or no. However I'd wager only a strict minority of guys get to hear all the fuck yeses.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:19 AM
2

It's interesting, a lot of short guys complain that "culture" has persuaded women not to want to fuck them. This is a further defense mechanism. In reality biology abhors imperfection, and the cultural bias against shorter men is an extension of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:16 AM
1

Reality is polychromatic, just one pill doesn't suffice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:13 AM
4

This is true. Maybe you had plausible deniability in the days before social media/online dating but now a man has no excuse besides the obvious culprit: ego-preserving delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:03 AM
8

No, but if you're a guy and not one woman, among the thousands you've met, has treated you that way, then you aren't "hot" as per the collective evaluation of the female gaze. There are of course more subtle and less subtle women, but among all women there are enough who are direct with those they want to get with that those men would have no doubts as to their sexual market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:00 AM
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what happens to the vast majority of average men — how come they pair up? A mixture of serendipity, assortative mating and compromise. The average man isn't attractive to the average woman though there is a subset of women who likely find him comparatively more attractive than the limited options she might have at some point of emotional insecurity. However no average man meets a woman's "I have to fuck now" threshold so he will remain perpetually removed from a woman's more primal passions. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 03:50 AM
1

If every post was purple there would be no debate. The redpill posts have to balance out the bluepill posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 03:35 AM
5

If someone pays a prostitute, does that prostitute find him attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 03:05 AM
7

He's lying to boost his appeal. He slept with Mike Tyson's girl before he was famous. The only reason it would be hard in LA is that there is a huge nexus of men there who are very attractive and high status (in fact they are high status solely because they are attractive). However I don't think literal Brad Pitt had struggles with women, or if he did his idea of "struggle" is like millionaire trust-fund Elon Musk struggling to make it as an entrepreneur.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 01:46 AM
3

Only because of money. He's not considered attractive by women who don't stand to get his money directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:44 AM
4

I think most guys exercise very infrequently but eat healthy on a semi-regular basis. However only about 5% I imagine are looksmaxxing as hard as they can, aware that they "aren't good enough" and need to be. Most guys seem to be content, and if they aren't, still inflated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:01 AM
5

Then how come no woman finds Mark Zuckerberg attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:49 PM
3

Men don't overrate themselves - they constantly shoot above their league regardless of what they think of themselves. Which is a result of overrating themselves. The average guy thinks he's a 7 despite being a 5. Of course they work out and shit because they want to be a 10 even though their ceiling is an 8. And it's still a minority of men working to actively looksmax.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:47 PM
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A woman is afraid of being exiled from the tribe for promiscuous behavior. Therefore she doesn’t approach. College campuses in western countries don't enforce this degree of shame culture. Maybe in the 1950s. I do agree that IOIs constitute the majority of a woman's flirting strategies. However the less ambivalent a woman is about fucking a guy, the more direct those IOIs become. Nowadays with snapchat one doesn't have to risk being "exiled from the tribe" if she wants to directly flirt with a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:43 PM
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I've been thinking about this for a while. I have narcissistic tendencies, so seeing how easy other guys have it makes me feel that any amount of extreme effort I put in (which would be necessary to have high sexual success) proves my natural unworthiness. Even if I cater my status, personality, body, mind and behavior to increasing the amount of sex I get, I'll know then that I can only be successful due to going full speed at all times, staying focused 24/7 to not fall off the tightrope while …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 08:40 PM
1

bro just hold frame. lol It's hilarious that some men think they're attractive but girls are just "shy" or intimidated by them. Newsflash: if you're not getting this kind of treatment, girls don't find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 07:55 PM
7

I don't think people care about other people having sex. The gripe is more that in public people will emphasize how it's not important, or just window dressing to an otherwise more substantial life, but in private orient their entire lives around being able to routinely get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 04:00 AM
3

A guy talking to a camera isn't very good evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 11:00 PM
9

TRP defines "chads" by their status, frame, and muscles. Blackpill/incels define chads by height, facial bone structure, and dick size. What percentage of this "chadness" would you say is the former, and what percentage is the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 09:50 PM
9

You sound very bitter. Not every girl is just a slut for chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 09:01 PM
9

The reality is usually in between the two extremes. There are of course the misanthropes who think life is like a porn movie for high value men, but there are likewise people who will reflexively state "porn isn't real life" to any suggestion that young people have anything more than lights-off missionary sex in committed relationships three times a week at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:45 PM
7

I imagine most pretense around sex is out of fear of being judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:21 PM
5

Speaking in absolutes... very helpful
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:21 PM
2

True. We live in an "equal" society but the expectations set for men and women are dictated by biology, and unless every human on earth takes hormone blockers starting at birth nothing is going to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:40 PM
2

Most "ugly hot" people are guys with high-quality traits and a few bad ones, like Adam Driver (shitty facial development, but deep voice, tall, etc). I've never seen a meek, narrow shouldered guy described as "ugly-hot", that label is solely for masculine types who lucked out genetically in an unconventional way. Same with "butterface" women though. I remember playing marry/fuck/kill with my coed sports team and every guy chose "fuck" for this one ugly woman with a big ass. I think every guy fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:37 PM
3

Regardless of whether "You don't need a relationship to be happy" is true or not, it's more important to understand that the point of this phrase as a piece of advice is to placate ugly, undesirable men who can't get any sort of relationship due to those factors. Obviously those with a sex drive who can pursue the opposite sex do, so those who wish to but can't have to either deal with the anxiety of potentially never being good enough due to genetic factors (even after self-improvement), or cop…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:29 AM
3

When women are put in an artificial position that is similar to the natural conditions of men, men begin to behave more like women. Seems really fucking obvious. Give men the illusion of options and they become pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:26 AM
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My dude, huge settled farming villages that have a warrior caste =/= a nomadic hunter-gatherer society Settled states with actual armies =/= small tribes Not sure what you're going on about here. What is the history of South America? What is the history of every polity overtaken by the Mongol empire. What is the history of the middle east? What is the history of Europe? What is the history of the spread of the Indo-European language family? Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "tribes" because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:55 PM
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humanity is defined by tribes conquering one another. While it is evolutionarily advantageous to be cooperative when your tribe is at war with another (group-preservation instinct), it is more evolutionarily advantageous to be selfish when there is no risk from an outgroup (self-preservation instinct). Nearly ever human on earth is a descendent of one empire or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 06:26 PM
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I'd recommend "just be hot" but you can't take a 5'7" guy with a squeaky voice and recessed chin and turn him into a 6'4" jock with a deep voice and a lantern jaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:19 AM
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It sucks that the best dating advice for men is to be ruthlessly sociopathic. I wish cooperation and general welfare correlated with the qualities that maximize a man's sexual success, but anyone who doesn't live in a fantasy land knows it isn't the case. Redpillers often make the argument that marriage and cultural enforcement of fidelity allows societies to flourish by keeping female hypergamy in check. I'd argue that male ruthlessness and anti-social tendencies is the bigger problem that marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:37 AM
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Because women don't want to marry socially inept nerds. Also they'd have to compete with Asian women which sets the bar high for average white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:26 AM
3

Same way it's been going for the past 30 years. Higher standards for men. More financial independence for women = more easy casual sex for the top 5% of men More women putting off marriage due to these factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:24 AM
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These "focus on yourself first, let relationships come later" create this retarded false dichotomy that constructs reality in black and white terms. You can't seem to understand, or maybe you seem to lie purposely, that the individual can be forged through the context of relationships. This advice isn't meant to cater to higher minded self-actualization. If you and everyone else touting it were honest it's meant to make sure ugly men don't complain about never once touching a woman throughout th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 09:37 PM
3

More generic advice that ignores the impact of OLD and creates a false reality where looks/status are negligible that can't be easily contradicted because it has no supporting evidence. Please try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 09:33 PM
5

Economic inequality leads to homelessness, imprisonment, debt slavery and premature death. Dating inequality means less than perfect men have to work a bit harder to get pussy. Not really equal are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:26 PM
1

Way too much reading
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:54 AM
7

True. Chad gets to see her true passion. To beta males she will always be a "mystery"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:53 AM
2

It's possible to work out, get cosmetic surgery and become an extravert. That however is too tough for most men so they will continue to complain about women's expectations being unfair when they could be spending their time hacking biology to turn on the tap for unlimited puss. Their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:50 AM
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