Concreteforester Archive

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1	My [40m] 5 year marriage to my wife [40F] just blew up and my wife ended up in jail and I don't know what to do. Because you probably think that you're a good man. And unfortunately society tells men that in order to be good, they need to protect their wife even at the expense of themselves. And now you're running up against the cognitive dissonance that that societal standard inflicts on men. It sucks, but I found that sometimes it helps to recognize that's where it comes from. I think that most husbands usually want to protect their wife from anything, but the part society leaves out is that men also hav…	/r/Divorce_Men	27/06/26 08:03 PM
2	My [40m] 5 year marriage to my wife [40F] just blew up and my wife ended up in jail and I don't know what to do. Look at it this way OP. I don't know if you have a sister or not but imagine that you did. If that sister came to you and asked for your advice and told you the same story that you just related, do you honestly think that your advice to your sister would be you should try and reconcile with your husband? I think that you should follow the advice that you would give your sister in that situation. I very highly doubt that that advice would be don't press charges on your husband that physically abu…	/r/Divorce_Men	27/06/26 08:01 PM
4	Thinking about divorcing my wife of 10 years after her MS diagnosis and severe behavioral shifts. Need perspective. This is only one perspective among many and please don't take it that anymore than a single person's opinion. But it occurs to me that your wife may never seek psychiatric help while you are with her because you have an effect on her life. As long as she can blame you, it may be that she never decides to take to the steps required to help herself. Obviously I could be wrong, but you could be both hurting her and allowing your child to be hurt, by someone who actually does have an illness. Or it …	/r/Divorce_Men	10/06/26 09:31 PM
4	Wife started calling me "weak" and talking about divorce after I had a rough couple of days this week I'd encourage you to think a bit deeper about why men love believing and teaching others to believe in that. Almost all men are primarily raised and have their initial set of morals imposed by their mother. The father is primarily a disciplinarian, but the mother primarily governs through moral authority, right? They look up to their father, but where do their fathers get validation from? Where did they get that belief from? We might not like to admit it, but most of the time, the approval of wo…	/r/Divorce_Men	19/12/25 06:01 PM
23	Post Divorce First Failed Relationship (Freaked out when she said ILY This might sound callous, but one thing in general I think most men need to get a bit more comfortable with is that it is okay to make decisions that other people don't like or wish were different. Everything you said makes complete sense, and that woman was rushing you. You not wanting that yet isn't less important than her feelings. Ultimately, you should be the main judge of your actions. I think men are very quick to give that up to other people because in a weird way it makes it easier. And…	/r/Divorce_Men	22/09/25 07:18 AM
5	Rebuilding seems impossible Do what you can for your kids but (I hate to say it) you may have to accept that you might not be able to support them as much as you would like. If you fought for your marriage and didn't make it explode - you have to try and realize that isn't your fault. If your wife has a ton of money from her parents I wonder why you feel solely responsible for car insurance, medical insurance, cell phones, tuition costs, cost of living. Why are you taking all of this on yourself? If not just for yourself -…	/r/Divorce_Men	10/09/25 01:46 PM
2	How do you build up the courage to ask for a Divorce? If you only see your wife 1 to 2 minutes a day and in fact, one of your concerns is that you don't want to ask for a divorce over text, because that is the main way you communicate, you don't really need more advice. I suspect possibly that you are deep down clear on what you need to do, but you are finding the current situation bearable. What you need to consider is that this situation is not the worst. It could be. As soon as something shifts it's going to go to hell. Could you recover and hav…	/r/Divorce_Men	31/08/25 11:16 PM
5	Social Media to Men: Abusive Wives are HILARIOUS!!! If you take a look at the analysis of media from about 50-70 years ago, you might (like me) notice some striking parallels between how abuse was played for laughs back then and now. Really, what's happened is that the locus of acceptable marital abuse has shifted from husbands to wives. Society has transitioned from normalizing men beating their wives to women beating their husbands. What's weird is I can't even think of terms that are parallel because there's been such a turn in societal views …	/r/Divorce_Men	30/05/25 03:50 PM
10	Dating is so much work! Not like there aren't a lot of different options but it's funny how all dating apps actually make less money if you find someone. I think maybe 10 years ago they might have been okay but today they're vampires. If you find it exhausting - like the other comments said, you don't have to do it. In fact it's better if you don't. If your ex found someone quick, who cares? That might be good or that might just be more shit for her that hasn't exploded in her face yet. Maybe look at this as an opportu…	/r/Divorce_Men	13/02/25 03:02 AM
1	Feminists dehumanize men and it's time we admit it You were so excited to have a gotcha moment that you didn't read the article. It's not 130 women; it's 130 feminist organizations. The National Organization for Women signed this. That's the largest feminist organization in the USA by far. Your argument is like someone standing outside the DNC conventions saying "now...these people don't represent the real democrats". It's looney.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/24 11:35 AM
1	Most women are okay with not being in control of their emotions. And? Are you actually arguing that emotional and verbal abuse and the point of my comment should be ignored because physical violence is also scary or abusive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/24 04:08 AM
0	Women are poor communicators Again, respectfully, that is assuming that the way women communicate is the correct way for humans to communicate. Thought be easier to agree with if we replaced gender with ethnicity. If a traditional Japanese man met an Australian man and the Australian called him him a good cunt because he liked him and the Japanese man was offended, who's fault is that? That's an expression of goodwill for a lot of Australians. It's not for the Japanese. Is it the Australian for not fine tuning the message? …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/24 03:18 AM
5	The best thing any man can do is to stop chasing women. Of coursee men are reacting in different ways to this premise - men are not a monolith. Especially on this issue. And to be clear, I'm not saying that having a partner isn't a really important part of having a fulfilling life for most people. But I am arguing for and encouraging the approach that there is a limit to what should be sacrificed in the pursuit of that goal. The same way that there should be a limit to what should be sacrificed in the pursuit of wealth or power.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/24 03:06 AM
3	The best thing any man can do is to stop chasing women. I agree with you, but I do think this post is good in that (although exaggerated like every single PPD post) is it pointing out that there needs to be a limit. Put effort in - yes. But be willing and comfortable with walking away and trying again. After a certain amount of time you may have to settle for nothing, but nothing is certain in life. I'd rather have my self-respect and worth than sacrifice everything in order to get some kind of magic pussy-validation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 08:47 PM
7	The best thing any man can do is to stop chasing women. Wanting to have a relationship with a loving and attractive wife who thinks the world of me would be a great addition to my life and I'm willing to put in quite a lot of work to have that happen. That doesn't mean that want overrides my own self-respect. If a woman doesn't want me - why would I want them? If I find them attractive, I'll put in the effort to see if they're interested. If they aren't interested, why should I care about that? If they are interested, but too much of a coward to show…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 08:44 PM
2	Most women are okay with not being in control of their emotions. Yes - exactly this. It's infantilizing women but by doing so it is making monsters, so to speak.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 08:33 PM
1	Most women are okay with not being in control of their emotions. I agree with some of your points. I don't know about the anger from women not being tolerated. I think maybe it's just a matter of viewpoints. Being seen as a bitch because you're angry is bad. Having police being called on you is probably worse. And I think it's reasonable to say if you had a man who yelled and screamed and a women that yelled and screamed in the exact same way those two results are possible (EDIT) - the women is seen as a bitch, but the police are pulling up for the man. Even …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 08:30 PM
1	Most women are okay with not being in control of their emotions. I think almost everyone agrees with this (if you filter out the broad brush that almost every post in ppd uses to paint the sexes). What I'm curious about is if you think in general women are given more leeway with inappropriate emotional outbursts? I do personally. I think it's a combination of societal expectations placed on both sexes and the inability of society to control things that aren't in the physical realm as easily. Going by stereotypes: if men lose control they are taught to default…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 12:32 PM
–	Should average men complement their dating life with escorts? I don't care if you're Priyanka Chopra. I read that study the first time you posted it. Posting 3 more times doesn't do anything except annoy everyone. Stop it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 12:19 AM
–	Should average men complement their dating life with escorts? Stop spamming the same damn report every five comments. It makes this thread very annoying to read. and if it's not against the subreddit rules it should be. Edit: or you're an annoying bot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/24 08:36 PM
1	PPD Demographics Survey Will you be sharing the results for analysis afterwards? It was an interesting set of data.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/24 12:28 PM
–	THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXm7CRXbsE from 1955. Having said that, this is the clip that gets reposted all the time - but this is the end of the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4lpdP7uKeA (FYI it's a good movie if anyone wants to chill for like an hour). EDIT: and - the girl in this also gets shit on, not redpill/bluepill I think. Just honest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 02:33 PM
–	THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD Yeah - it sucks when it's the 20th rejection. BUUUTTT... still good, friend. You don't want that woman, not worth your (valuable) time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 02:26 PM
84	Women are poor communicators I'd say that one thing to consider when thinking about this is what exactly is being "poor at communication". You can look at this two ways, and both can be right. On the women's side, there is the argument that if you can't pick up "common social queues" then you need to improve your skills, which is correct, to a point. On the mens side you have the argument "the way most women communicate is unnecessarily subtle and confusing". That is also correct, to a point. This is something that isn't al…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 12:15 PM
2	The problem with the paternity test debate ...seriously? That's your argument? In 18 years, this kid might realize something is strange, so lying to them is okay? You sure you're going with that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 08:38 PM
1	When it comes to preferences and standards, men should handle them the way women do—by being subtle, selective, and unbothered by societal judgment. This is great advice. I mean, it will be horrible for women if/when implemented in general, but at the same time - there's isn't anything stopping you from implementing it personally. Honestly, most people probably do a variation of this when confronted with unpleasant people that they can't avoid (for example - annoying relatives at their house during Diwali or whatever you celebrate). So, implementing it during dating will probably work as well as it does then.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:47 PM
2	The problem with the paternity test debate Id like to re-post something I posted in another thread about paternity tests because I still havne't figured out a good argument against it. I'd like to say though, that this is not from the point of view of a husband asking his wife for a paternity test. It's an argument for paternity tests being mandated by the state, if that makes sense. Something I haven't really seen raised in any of these threads much: not knowing their real father harms the child. In the case of a woman committing patern…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:33 PM
9	High earning women don’t intimidate men from dating them Yup that would work well. Both partners have self-worth in different areas and probably respect each other for those values.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 08:32 PM
0	High earning women don’t intimidate men from dating them Holy shit. If you were a man and you were dating my sister with this attitude I would tell her she was with a huuuuge asshole and to leave him . The problem isn't that you are a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 08:22 PM
2	High earning women don’t intimidate men from dating them Sorry but you should take your own advice. I'm one of those men responding. I explicitly said what would bother me about a women who made more than me and it was not about money. You seem to be cherry picking the responses that for your predetermined opinion. Which means you won't really learn anything and makes this post useless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 08:16 PM
0	High earning women don’t intimidate men from dating them That sucks but I don't think it should be surprising though. Or a dig on men in general any more than women usually wanting a man who is taller than them. What I mean by that is that even though women don't actually need a man to protect them too much any more, social norms are taught to people as they grow up and those social norms include the idea that women are delicate and should be protected by their man. And a taller man is seen as more protective, even if the shorter man is actually much …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 08:11 PM
11	High earning women don’t intimidate men from dating them Personally, I have no problem with dating a woman that makes more than me. I would have a problem dating a woman that makes more money than me that: Believes that because they earn more money than me that my value in the relationship is less for some reason Enjoys an elevated standard of living and then shames me for not being able to match it Assumes that because we are in a relationship that I must "raise" my financial net worth to match theirs and that if I don't or won't than I'm not "a real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 03:40 PM
2	Q4W: Do you hold your female friends accountable for how they treat good men in a relationship? What's wrong with your friends?? Lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 12:33 PM
1	What is the appropriate response for a gamer bf/husband to his woman that protests his hobby? No problem! I've played dead space and stuff like the dark picture series (ps) or the quarry (Xbox) are more like movies, so I personally found them less scary than the jumpscare ones like dead space. Just mentioning it because I haven't seen that type of co-op before outside of party games and I thought it worked really well for couples playing together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 12:31 PM
2	What is the appropriate response for a gamer bf/husband to his woman that protests his hobby? If you can put up with horror games at all the quarry was really fun for me and my partner - they split the action by character, so you each take over the controller at specific times. I really liked that system for co-op	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 12:15 PM
1	Women consider a woman’s company to be more valuable than a man’s Yeah, according to that data. I did download it and took a closer look when it came out. (here's my original post: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18bfc10/what_is_your_take_on_the_ppd_surveydemographic/kc4m7ll/) Just to be absolutely clear, as maybe I wasn't specific enough in my original comment - those averages are for the users in that survey that reported that they don't just lurk (post and comment or just comment) AND reported either "10-20 hours" or ">40 hours" per week o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 06:00 PM
4	Women consider a woman’s company to be more valuable than a man’s I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak but funnily enough PPD has done surveys of users in the past. Although you may be right when looking at the overall average responder to that survey, I took a closer look at the users who reported on that study to spend upwards of 10 hours a week on PPD ( so the prolific posters and commenters - the ones that make a lot of comments on everything and generate a fair percentage of PPD - to me they set the tone of the subreddit much more than someone on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 11:47 AM
1	Women, what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of men? Would it be easier if you were a man? Yeah - sorry, like I said there wasn't anything in that post that I could see that was directly related to your comment, but I thought it was interesting enough to be put somewhere in this thread. They're the one group that has practical experience on both sides - I'm honestly surprised their points of view don't come up in this subreddit more often.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 07:57 PM
1	Q4W: When/How to approach I don't agree too much with the government part of that comment... but I don't think it's that weird, when confronted with a variety of completely opposite opinions about how and why to approach with only 12 (at the time) comments to throw up your hands and say "there's no consistency here, I'm just going to go with whatever I think is right". I mean, what do you expect honestly? Side note: I don't think anyone is lying in this thread, but I do think that if every single woman has a different se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 04:17 PM
1	Women, what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of men? Would it be easier if you were a man? Couldn't find a good place to put this - sorry it isn't directly related to your comment - but I thought this thread might be interesting for anyone who wanted to see this question answered by some people who probably are the closest to experiencing it from both gender's side: https://np.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/1bs79u4/what_surprised_you_about_the_male_experience/	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 03:50 PM
2	Women, what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of men? Would it be easier if you were a man? Yeah, sorry I agree that this is a bit naive. Depending on your looks as a man the amount of effort to overcome those looks can be a LOT more than you think. Plus, I hope you have a very strong and confident personality, because no matter how much work you put in you better get used to being rejected - continually some days. have you ever approached a man (just asking, because some women haven't)? Have you ever approached a man and been rejected? Harshly? Like publically insulted harshly? That w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 03:34 PM
3	Women, what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of men? Would it be easier if you were a man? Sorry, I'm not the original commenter but what is so surprising about that? As a women you are vulnerable to predatorial men, but coming across men who will go that far is comparatively rare (Note: I'm not going to engage further with rape stats and assault stats, etc. on this - the scenario we're talking about is average everyday life on a day to day basis. If you decide to take the position that you will get assaulted as soon as you step outside your door as a woman and that's the typical ever…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 03:15 PM
7	Q4W: When/How to approach Sidenote: right now as I read this there are 12 responses and at least 3 different completely opposed answers: - approach at public event or social gatherings NOT gym, shops or other places where she might be doing something - approach at night clubs or gyms is ok - approach only at singles events when a woman is participating - don't approach at all, I'll approach you Also, direct advice NOT to flirt several times.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 02:40 PM
22	Women complaining from not getting approached anymore Yes! How this is even a debate is blowing my mind. We have had decades of public messaging about how male attention is unwelcome to women. And getting nuance across in mass marketing campaigns is almost impossible. All that advertising boosted the public understanding and awareness of sexual harassment, etc. massively. But to think that would happen without any secondary effects is ridiculous especially when it's messaging about something as varied as what is acceptable in dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 02:32 PM
–	The case of Gisèle Pelicot has me wondering, what percentage of guys would rape if they thought they could totally get away with it? If it helps provide context I mentioned some specifics about that study in my own comment. It was a survey of about 80 male college students in North Dakota. Having said that there have been other studies but please check my other comments for the specifics as it's too much to retype. Long story short (in my opinion), there is a variety of percentages that result. Although 30% I only found in one other study which was 30% if you include verbal coercion. And when you did the gender split was abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 10:13 PM
–	The case of Gisèle Pelicot has me wondering, what percentage of guys would rape if they thought they could totally get away with it? Not sure honestly. Like I said it's a subjective opinion and 3 out of 10 just seems like it's too much. I think about the mass of people I see each day and that seems like too high of an estimate. But I really do believe my estimate could be different if I had different life experiences so that's all I have to base it on, really	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 10:02 PM
–	The case of Gisèle Pelicot has me wondering, what percentage of guys would rape if they thought they could totally get away with it? I've made comments in the thread but I haven't actually answered the question directly so I think I owe that. I also have a comment about the study you included. Since your original question is just asking for a personal opinion....my personal opinion is 30% seems too high. Having said that, when I think about it in terms of out-of-10 numbers ... 1 out of 10? 2 out of 10? To be completely honest, 10-15% seems maybe what I hope would be realistic, but I also am aware that I could be underestimati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 08:46 PM
4	Why don't women respect submissive men? I don't have much to add to this thread of comments but really just want to say how great this discussion is. There's a lot of shit on this subreddit but then you come across intelligent conversations like this and it makes the browsing worth it. Having said that, it is a really interesting idea to dig into. I've heard "women are sex objects, men are success objects" before but it is interesting to think that applies to sex as well. Men are sexual success objects. Validation through sex and more…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 12:29 PM
1	THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD Well, I don't know you or anything so take this with an internet sized grain of salt but it seems like you got two choices: 1. Accept that she will control when things move forward 2. Decide to stop putting up with it. Id probably pick option 2. There's tons of bad takes on this subreddit in general but one point I do agree with is men need to decide what is acceptable to them and stop accepting shit. Really you aren't helping her or yourself by avoiding the conversation. People only change when…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 12:04 PM
1	THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD Not being sarcastic - if you don't like that you can change it. Just try small things first and over time you'll probably care less about what other people think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 11:52 AM
-5	The case of Gisèle Pelicot has me wondering, what percentage of guys would rape if they thought they could totally get away with it? Why is no one else addressing this point? If we want to have a theoretical discussion about what percentage of men would rape them fine, let's have it but this example was included for some kind of reason. So the fact that the men that participated were not from the same village, but from a much larger area and were specifically recruited from a niche website seems pretty important. But there's silence around this point. Why?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 11:43 AM
2	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends orrrrrr (as the OP is arguing) the default position should be "I won't share intimate details of my partners sexual habits" because that is the appropriate thing to do. Most consent arguments are Opt-In not Opt-Out last time I checked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 03:00 PM
2	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends To steal an argument against the OP that I do agree with, none of us actually have any idea how prevalent either of these behaviours are in real life. All we have to go on are anecdotes. We have lots either way in this thread. So, no I don't agree that "straight men" don't care about other people's consent, because plenty do, as shown in this thread. I'm disagreeing with your argument that this is perfectly fine to do, because you don't actually know it is, without asking people their preference…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 11:22 PM
2	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends Apparently, not care about other people's consent, according to your logic. OP doesn't like his sexual activities to be discussed. Me neither, honesty. I'm sure there are lesbians, gay men and women who also prefer that not happen. But you argument ignores their consent in favour of....what? You can argue freedom of speech and sure, yeah you can say anything you want I guess. But theres nuance - and the LGBT community I think is pretty familiar with freedom of speech being used negatively.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 11:01 PM
2	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends I do think it would be interesting to explore further why and how that was normalized. Not kidding, it would probably be quite a historical ride	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 10:48 PM
1	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends You realize I could take the same logic you used and use it to justify almost anything I wanted to say about "gay men, lesbians and straight women" right? I don't agree completely with OPs argument, but saying "get over it" doesnt go over well most of the time when the complaint is reasonable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 10:43 PM
4	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends There was a criticism made of the OP right above your comment making the point that there aren't any real studies or data to back up their premise, which is fair. However I'd say the same thing to you. Writing a sex comedy does not equal a judgement on the writers personal life, or vice versa. And how do you KNOW men are more likely to share intimate details? Aren't you stereotyping and prejudging in the same way OP has? What makes your assumptions any stronger? Personally I tend to side on the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 10:34 PM
4	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends Was that generally perceived as strange, uncomfortable and criticized by the majority of society? Or was it handwaved away? As far as I can tell the premise of the post is the commonality of over sharing intimate details in women vs men. Bringing up a public figure renowned as being a ridiculous troll as a data point doesn't seem to add anything useful as far as I can tell.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 10:23 PM
2	Do you think women are more bigoted then men? It's quite complex and a three-book series, but basically, it tries to answer the question as to why we don't see any other alien civilizations in the universe (in a very long and complex way). Having said that, the specific part I'm referencing is the experience of one of the characters, a woman who grows up living through the communist revolution and sees her father killed during a struggle session by one of his students (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session)	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 06:47 PM
1	Do you think women are more bigoted then men? Sorry, but how can you think feminism is not one of the most successful and dominant social changes in the past 50 years?? That blows my mind - in what way has feminism not succeeded in its aims? One of my favorite arguments is what we see out of feminism now is what happens when social revolutions actually succeed - they run out of easy targets to keep things going, hence the smaller and smaller issues that current day feminists push. I mean we went from "women should be able to work just like …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 04:52 PM
2	Do you think women are more bigoted then men? The poisoned M&M thing (I'm pretty sure) is based on the "poisonous mushroom" child's book - which was published in Germany in the build-up to WW2. You can google it, and it's the same argument.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 04:41 PM
1	Do you think women are more bigoted then men? I've been watching the 3 body problem on Netflix and the way the "flip" of solidarity to hatred is described in these comments reminds me of the struggle session depicted in the first episode.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 03:58 PM
1	Men: what are some ways that women have treated you "horribly"? Man, I think I will just let you stand on that comment and come back to it and marvel in amazement once in a while.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 12:03 AM
3	Men: what are some ways that women have treated you "horribly"? Yeah they shouldn't have worn that skirt right? So short, I mean, we all know that about that group - I knew they were going to get into trouble, honestly, an adult should be smarter than that... See how this doesn't work as soon as you turn it around?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/24 06:11 PM
1	Women resent men by default, so they shouldn't act so shocked about men having negative views on them too. Their argument is LITERALLY the "poisonous mushroom" analogy that Hitler used to whip up hatred against the Jews... same exact pattern. It's craaaazy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/24 05:59 PM
6	“Women aren’t a monolith” vs “Not all men” Ask that question please about Jewish people, Palestinian people, non white people, first nations people.... Replace man with any other signifier and see if this argument seems okay to you. Hell, replace it with a trans woman going into a women's bathroom instead of a man on a street at night and you basically are a far right Republican, you know that right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/24 12:30 PM
1	Wife left after almost 5 years. I'm still trying to figure things out over a year later. There you go - you already know what I was trying to tell you then. I'm a people please too. I think a lot of men are or become one over time - I think it's easy to substitute someone else's needs for your own because it's something we're told when young. So just keep on keeping on. Only other thing I can add is maybe keep in mind that being able to understand and recognize your own needs is something that needs to be learned, it's not going to feel natural. You're probably going to have to watc…	/r/Divorce_Men	03/09/24 11:32 AM
10	Wife left after almost 5 years. I'm still trying to figure things out over a year later. From what you've written you seem like a nice guy but I think maybe you need to start living for yourself and consider putting your own needs first a bit more You didn't state it out loud in your post but reading between the lines it looks like you took a lot of pride in your relationship with your wife and you put her needs first a lot of the time. You talked about how you bragged at your work about your relationship and how you got into that cycle of overtime because of how your wife felt. But…	/r/Divorce_Men	02/09/24 12:24 PM
6	If attraction is non-negotiable then cold approaching is just as legit as any other way of meeting women That's fine - but just to be clear, are you saying that the "normality" of dating is not the man approaching the woman directly FIRST? Because I can see you have switched to specific examples as opposed to talking in generalities, so that might be true for you, but that doesn't really mean anything when we're talking about dating "in general". And, not to be rude but you've changed my argument as well. I never intimated that women's strategy is "sit and hope he notices me". But I do think that w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/24 02:41 PM
8	If attraction is non-negotiable then cold approaching is just as legit as any other way of meeting women That can all be true, but I wish women would just admit they're cowards about hitting on men they like, honestly. All this double talk about how signals indicate blah blah ... It's exhausting. I'll play the game, that's fine - but pretending like it isn't due to just being too scared of societal standards and the hit to ego women would take if they actually got rejected directly is silly. Let's just call a spade a spade here. Edit: sorry this comes across as pretty grumpy I'm sure. I just really…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/24 01:53 PM
2	Society and women definitely equate being unable to attract a woman with being a loser Genuine question here - could you see an alternative POV where it might be more of an insult around self-control and decision-making rather than men being contaminating? I know it might not be that, but when I flip the gender and try to think of the male equivalent of the base insinuations of the "slut" insult I don't just think of a man who has slept with a LOT of women, but a man who has slept with a lot of women who are generally not good choices for that guy. It's not just that he slept with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 04:46 PM
1	CMV: Men should stop initiating Dates What do you think the advice to a man would be if they said they were too afraid to ask their crush out or didn't know how? I'm just pointing out that the problems you highlight here are not exclusive to women. What seems to be is the lower expectations around having to be vulnerable and take that first step. They could learn and get over it if society held them to that standard (an equal standard to that of men btw) but they aren't. There's nothing unique to men that allows them to ask women ou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/24 12:04 PM
5	Instead of complaining about being pumped and dumped, women should try to understand why some men only seem to value them for only sex...namely that they don't add much to a man's life "you're one of the good ones"...from my ex wife's racist cousins (like racist enough to hang confederate flags ...in Canada)... It always sounds the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/24 03:44 PM
3	Telling men that doing a certain thing will help them improve their dating chances is toxic and damaging if that thing doesn't improve their SMV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXm7CRXbsE This is from 1955.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:21 PM
2	Thoughts on Kevin Samuels? Fair enough. I haven't seen that clip before but that is out of it by today's standards - and pretty far out for the older demographic he's from even. I'll edit my comment to reflect that. I do think he expresses a common frustration from men where there does seem to be much more of a limit to what men will say to each other than what women will say to men, but his proposed solution is nutty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/24 04:36 PM
5	Thoughts on Kevin Samuels? EDIT: He did advocate for "domestic discipline", which is crazy by today's standards and backwards even for the older generation. The clip is posted by Eulenwatcher below - I was wrong. Edited to remove my original take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/24 04:18 PM
3	Thoughts on Kevin Samuels? (Not the original person you were replying to). I do think he leaned harder into the women for the views, but I also think that women were much more eager to engage and argue against his points, when they were mostly (although harshly stated) correct for the specific people he made them against. One of his more infamous takes was the "you're average at best" comment to a women - who was probably pretty average in most people's opinions. But I think the point stands in that if he said that to a m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/24 04:06 PM
0	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? Actually, it's not men. It's fatty food, it's metastasizing cancer and it's falling down stairs. In 2022 in the USA, 299,000 women were killed by heart attacks and various other heart issues. 274,000 to cancer. 26,000 to the flu or pneumonia. 39,000 women died accidentally (poisoning and car accidents were the top causes). In contrast, in 2022, 3,653 women were murdered in the USA. 95,000 women were raped. 89,000 women were murdered in the entire world in 2022. 12,700 men were murdered in the sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 04:33 PM
2	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? That annoyed the hell out of me because it's not like women-focused networking doesn't exist. Hell, most women I've met have a huge social community as compared to most men. If men are getting jobs by networking, then how the hell are women not taking advantage of theirs?? Men's only clubs were crippled like 20-30 years ago. If you want to talk about class-based networking being important then yes. But that's not gender-based, that's wealth based.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 03:53 PM
1	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? holy shit. Do you enjoy blaming victims as a hobby or is it more of a full time job?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 03:47 PM
7	Feminisim will either help men or lose men-- there is no 2nd option. I'm not trying to be snarky, but I think you missed my point. Feminist ideals don't have to be rolled back for feminism to be going through its death throes. Feminism is going through its death throes because it (mostly) won. All those acts and laws are passed, you're right. So what is the point of feminism at this point? People are (generally, in the West) fairly equal (not perfectly no, but nothing will be perfect). Because of that, feminists have been having to cast a wider and wider net to f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 12:39 AM
5	Feminisim will either help men or lose men-- there is no 2nd option. No, not necessarily - but having an enemy provides many benefits when it comes to social and political power. It unifies followers and brings clarity to goals in a much more coherent way than having a very abstract goal. And my point wasn't so much about if feminism should have men as an enemy or not. My point was that without a clear enemy, the social and political power of those who see themselves as activists will be reduced. Less people will pay attention, less money will be spent, less "pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 11:56 PM
1	Feminisim will either help men or lose men-- there is no 2nd option. Have current-day feminists improved or harmed the overall societal opinion of feminist doctrine? I'd argue that the current way of feminism is actually doing more harm than good to their actual stated cause. Because it is eroding away any sense of moral authority that feminism has, therefore making the people who have to make changes to improve society in the way feminism would like less likely to actually do those things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 08:09 PM
8	Feminisim will either help men or lose men-- there is no 2nd option. As I mentioned in another comment, I think that would reduce the social relevance of feminism, and by extension the societal power of those who see themselves as activists of that group, because it removes a very obvious and impossible to win against enemy. And without an enemy, feminism doesn't really have any reason to exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 08:05 PM
8	Feminisim will either help men or lose men-- there is no 2nd option. I think it's simpler than that, honestly. I think that feminism started losing men when it refused to gracefully fade into societal irrelevance and instead chose to try and maintain the same level of social power after it accomplished the majority of its initial goals. It's a pretty familiar pattern - once a problem is mostly "solved" then what you've done (as an activist) is remove your own power. And people don't like to give that up. So, instead, you come up with reason after pressing reason …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 07:59 PM
3	Is RP No Longer "I Am The Prize, DGAF, Spin-Plates"? 100% agree with this. I think it could have been handled better but do you think it was a necessary belief that those men needed to be stripped of some of their illusions about the opposite gender or would you have approached it differently? Just to be clear, I'm talking about early redpill - not the current situation we have now. I actually don't know what would work for the guys who are just too sunk into their negative beliefs about themselves, or who have serious issues in terms of attractiv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 04:59 PM
1	The reason women have stronger communities/support networks than men is pro-female bias and male disposability. We've had at least 40 years of criticism of male gender behaviour. Does it surprise you that some men have believed the message? Look at any visible minority group for some good studies on self-hate and just apply the theories there to men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/24 12:36 PM
2	Why is there no movement to teach girls and women how to treat guys better? I think you are underestimating the number of broken, or downright abusive marriages (where the mom is the abusive one) where a girl grows up with a horrible example of how to be in an relationship. I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I am tweaking it a bit - I think a lot of that basic advice in magazines etc are about getting a man. I don't think there is much about how to treat your male partner in a long term relationship - at least much that is actually useful. I don't often bring up a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/24 04:50 PM
1	what experiences with women have shaped your view of them? That's fair, but I do have sympathy for some of those men because the stories told to them are different from those told to women. So it makes sense to me they could be upset about that. I don't think it's controversial to say that men and women are held to different societal standards, so what each gender would be mad about when they figure out they've been lied to would be different as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:50 PM
5	Men Need to Embrace Scarcity. They're not just hard-headed, society and media train men to link their self-worth to being in a relationship. But being in a healthy fulfilling relationship is not always part of that story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 03:53 PM
5	Men Need to Embrace Scarcity. I mean, couldn't cat ladies just be the flip side of MGTOW? In both cases, they decide that the "juice isn't worth the squeeze" and try to become happy with not having a relationship. They may actually be right (i.e. "I'm done with romantic relationships") or they could just not have enough motivation to continue. In either case, they just don't want to continue trying. Which is a valid option (for everyone, at pretty much any time).	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 03:50 PM
5	Men Need to Embrace Scarcity. Very well put. Especially having to filter through women who aren't right for you. The point is often mentioned here about women picking the wrong man and how they could not notice beforehand, but really - that applies equally to men. People in general can pick the wrong partner and find out later somehow. The key point that you spoke to very well is that it is still everyone's responsibility to learn from those mistakes and accept what responsibility is reasonably theirs for the mistake they ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 03:46 PM
2	what experiences with women have shaped your view of them? That's fair. I guess what I was trying to talk through was that while female beauty is a pre-requisite for men to be interested in a woman, it's not the ONLY thing (again for anything longer term). There is still that adage "no matter how beautiful a woman is, somewhere there is a man who is tired of her shit" (don't mean that in a sexist way, just that people can be attractive but assholes)	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 03:17 PM
3	what experiences with women have shaped your view of them? I think there's almost a shell of expectations that has grown around dating and relationships that strangles a lot of the fun and joy out of it. I've always felt like the male side of it makes me feel like I'm performing a show. But I've also had great experiences and as I've gotten older I've realized that some people (me) have a tendency to overthink things. The best experiences I've had is when I didn't really give a shit if anything came out of a date. There can be fun in the process - but i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:22 PM
3	what experiences with women have shaped your view of them? I felt the same way growing up. I think there's a certain personality type that deals with expectations by flipping them the finger, metaphorically speaking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:15 PM
4	what experiences with women have shaped your view of them? Surprisingly I think women get lied about this about as men are lied about what standards they need to meet for women. To be fair, this is in terms of long term coupling and not one night stands. One night stand requirements are probably where redpill theories are more accurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:12 PM
1	Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop. It's funny how much of the change in red pill over time looks a lot like the same change pattern in feminism. I don't mean that in a derogatory way or anything. I'm just saying it might it's a common pattern to social movements. Little ironic though	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 06:07 PM
1	Why does TRP make people so angry? That's not actually my point. I didnt say people would not get angry when someone said something insulting, it was that when something could possibly be partially true it can make people more angry than something that is obviously completely wrong. After all, that's what we're talking about right? Why do redpill ideas make people "so" mad? In your examples, you mention men being controlling, violent apes. I think that might upset men who have had problems with their tempers but are trying to con…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:27 AM
0	Why does TRP make people so angry? No...I think what I said is valid. I'm not debating your point that what some red-pilled men have said can be insulting and paint all women in a bad light. Because that's true. I'm making the point that isn't unique to red pill. It seems pretty universal actually, among social movements that have a societal structure they're pushing against. I used feminism as an example because it's a pretty good match for red pill, with the genders switched and it's easy to find shitty examples. I did throw in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 07:47 PM
0	Why does TRP make people so angry? Do you reserve the same attitude and energy to feminists on twitter, etc. who throw out stuff like "#allMen should shut up and sit down" or "#killAllMen"? It seems the point you're making is pretty universal honestly. You just have to switch around which group is being shit on this month.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 07:27 PM
2	Why does TRP make people so angry? Not the person you are replying to but just pointing out that I think you are right in a lot of points you bring up. There is a lot of parity in how women are pressured by society to do certain things and how men are pressured to do certain things, etc. Having said that, women have a movement that (I thought) was about breaking the restrictive gender stereotypes that force them to do those things. That is/was feminism. Did you expect men to not have a movement themselves? Please note before you …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 07:23 PM
3	The red pill has gained momentum because a bunch of mid guys who are mad they won't be first choice are trying to logic women into being attracted to them. Thanks. In your opinion, does feminism have any negative points or downsides to society in your view? I'm specifically speaking about feminism as it is today in generally western countries.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 06:46 PM
4	The red pill has gained momentum because a bunch of mid guys who are mad they won't be first choice are trying to logic women into being attracted to them. I see you woke up and chose the "shame" option.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 06:34 PM
2	The red pill has gained momentum because a bunch of mid guys who are mad they won't be first choice are trying to logic women into being attracted to them. Very good point. Almost any cause can result in an angry, bitter person if the person latches on to it hard enough. Because most causes are about things being wrong. I'm sure somewhere in Sri Lanka there are like ... 5 monks who are just really angry about how Buddhism isn't respected enough by those damn kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 04:59 PM
5	The red pill has gained momentum because a bunch of mid guys who are mad they won't be first choice are trying to logic women into being attracted to them. I'm curious, how do you think you could tell if a woman is a feminist? Can you do the same thing for the "other side"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 04:56 PM
16	The red pill has gained momentum because a bunch of mid guys who are mad they won't be first choice are trying to logic women into being attracted to them. If that's such basic advice, why is redpill information so popular? Shouldn't men (and people in general) know this already? I'd argue that advice has actually not been given to men for quite a while ... by anyone. Which explains why a lot of men are finding it useful now. And if that upsets you or you don't like the way it's presented, then I'd argue you should present your ideas and see if they can outcompete them. Actually outcompete them - not just shame everyone into compliance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 04:54 PM
1	Women, what percentage of you would "pursue your own pleasure" while your country collapsed (due to your refusal to give up some of your own time / effort to do something that would stop the collapse)? For sure. I didn't actually read the question in the way some people did and jumped directly to Gilead Lite. I kind of assumed we were talking about a democratic country. But I do wonder if actually "facing" that as a real possibility (your country literally running out of children) would make a difference. Maybe a small one? In any case if we did take Japan as a real world example it's obvious they don't care that much about it yet as the number of work hours and work culture is still toxic as …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 03:16 AM
1	Would you gossip (i.e. tell other people such as family and friends, in a slightly to very mocking way about your man/woman not being good in bed?) Question for BOTH In all seriousness, I am very glad all of my kinks are pretty normal. I cannot imagine how people bring up certain things that are out there a bit. Like, do you cook a nice meal, bring out some cake and then hit them with the "once in a while I would love it if you just nailed with a soccer kick right in the balls....oh sorry, are you choking on your flan?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:56 AM
2	Would you gossip (i.e. tell other people such as family and friends, in a slightly to very mocking way about your man/woman not being good in bed?) Question for BOTH I cannot imagine how I would feel if someone threw out "daddy" in the middle of things at me...like..I would have to stop and just reverse walk right out the door.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:53 AM
1	Women, what percentage of you would "pursue your own pleasure" while your country collapsed (due to your refusal to give up some of your own time / effort to do something that would stop the collapse)? It might be worth looking at the question through the lens of Japan. That's a country and ethnicity that could very well be extinct within....what....100 years? That seems a bit quick, but I guess it could work. 200 for sure. Now, if you were Japanese and living in Japan, would that affect your decision to have kids? Personally...maybe a bit? The first thing I feel when I try to visualize that is just deep sadness. But not really a personal urge to counteract it	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:46 AM
1	Women, what percentage of you would "pursue your own pleasure" while your country collapsed (due to your refusal to give up some of your own time / effort to do something that would stop the collapse)? Honestly that seems a lot more understandable than the water one. The one I heard growing up in Canada was that they probably ate some paint chips as a child (paint used to have lead in it before it was banned, and apparently it made it taste sweet, along with causing severe mental problems later in life)....which now that I think of it is .... oddly specific... (Edit: sorry, not who you were talking to before)	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:41 AM
1	Red Pill Schism - Defining a fault line Forums in the early days were all nuts. Something awful, 4chan and the rest of the various chans. And there were other more estoric boards that were either nuts or full of really interesting people. I cannot imagine being a mod on one of the popular ones back then	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:31 AM
5	If you’re white male, move to an Asian country ASAP No...no it could not	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:29 AM
3	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences I don't think the pattern you are describing is unique to men. I think in fact it's an incredibly common pattern for most social movements. Everything from feminism, to civil rights, to gay rights exhibits about the same thing that you're describing here: it starts with valid criticism and discussion about the actual issues and moves from that (over time) to more and more discussions that are about getting a response. Because the discussions are no longer really about the problems. It's (for som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:10 AM
5	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences I think that maybe you (and by extension, men in general) should give much less of a shit what women or any other group thinks of what manhood is. Question: What typically happens in this subreddit when a man defines what a woman should be? What is the reaction of women commenting?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 01:04 AM
2	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences Who are these men you are talking about?? I have not seen any examples of this in this thread anywhere. Is this something you are basing on real life, twitter, this board....where is this audience of men who are getting hyper offended about violative behaviours. And what the hell do you term violative behaviour? Last time I talked to you we went round in circles but I'll give this a good couple of comments before I give up again.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 12:41 AM
13	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences Expand that to "people in general" and Id agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 10:24 PM
9	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences (arrrgh... I just finished typing in that last thread when it went. Reposting here as well) I'm cautiously optimistic on this one honestly. I just think you aren't looking at things on a long enough time scale. Think about the difference in terms of men discussing these issues over the past 20 years. Neil Strauss's "the Game" was released in 2004, so we are talking about PUA just making its way to the mainstream .. all the way to what we are talking about now. There's been a ton of changes made …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 10:08 PM
0	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences I don't buy into it being a threat. I mean, if you flip the genders it's the same argument "if men keep ignoring the problems women are having then women will eventually get fed up and force their voices to be heard"..... I mean .. yes?? That's the suffragette movement explained in like 20 words? It's the civil rights movement explained in 20 words?... It's Trump's election in 20 words? You just switch the group in each case and the process is the same. Any society that ignores issues that a siz…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 09:39 PM
2	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences I'm cautiously optimistic on this one honestly. I just think you aren't looking at things on a long enough time scale. Think about the difference in terms of men discussing these issues over the past 20 years. Neil Strauss's "the Game" was released in 2004, so we are talking about PUA just making its way to the mainstream .. all the way to what we are talking about now. There's been a ton of changes made in men's rights and discussions about gender. Societal movements are just so much slower tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 09:31 PM
1	Our culture’s trashing of boys and men is having toxic consequences That's fair. But you are missing the point that social media, advertising, and other forms of mass media ALSO do this. There isn't too much nuance in society's message to boys. I was listening to a podcast (for the life of me I can't remember which one) and it made a perfect point about this: the point of all this messaging is an attempt to correct the extremes of the bell curve of men's behavior. By that I mean I think we could all agree that a minority of men are leering at women, bullying, et…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 08:40 PM
2	Good nuanced representation of relationship dynamics in Literature, and Cinema Yeah, I really hope (although they won't get there) they get to Leto and his choice vs Paul's. Always though that was a great concept.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 02:14 PM
3	Good nuanced representation of relationship dynamics in Literature, and Cinema Falling Down, Fight Club, American Beauty. The trifecta of male desperation lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 02:11 PM
5	Good nuanced representation of relationship dynamics in Literature, and Cinema I'd agree with most of these. Dune 2 is basically a wash though - having one member of the relationship who is prescient pretty much handwaves away most things. I'd suggest Marriage Story (2019) or American Beauty (lol)	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 02:10 PM
1	Is it truly in the nature of men to chase women? If yes, then is the RP wrong for suggesting that men should be the centre of attention and make women flock around themselves? There's a variety of crap out there now, with so many grifters, etc. realizing they can just shit on women for 30 minutes for views.. but what I've always gotten out of it is that they tell men to self-improve so that they can have more options to choose from, and be more confident when ending a relationship that they will find someone else. It's a lot easier to have self-respect and keep boundaries in place when you are more confident that you can find someone else. Since you can't magically ch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 01:55 PM
3	Is it truly in the nature of men to chase women? If yes, then is the RP wrong for suggesting that men should be the centre of attention and make women flock around themselves? 100%. As I've said before, that is one of the things the red pill has provided that is needed for men. There has been so much weight put on women's approval being the ultimate approval for men for years. Men learning that they should not try and make women like them - that they should pursue women who like them back is important. Some men have forgotten their self-respect in pursuit of approval.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 01:43 PM
2	Online dating will not decline in popularity because women aren’t receptive to approaching or being approached Don't really care about this argument but I keep seeing that account pop up in every PPD thread so I checked. She has 60(!) comments over the last 24 hours... and you're telling someone else to go outside??	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 01:45 PM
1	Men of PPD, what are your standards? Do you think they are high? Initially: Attractive (to me). Note: I say this because I have been attracted to a variety of women in my life. I'd say that weight is important but I feel like I have a fairly normal sense of dis-like of obese people for sex. Pleasant to be around and funny. Similar level of respect that I give to her (pretty much a more specific addendum to "not a psycho") Obviously attracted to me. I am specifically done with women who act aloof and put the majority of sexual work on the man. For long-term re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 08:42 PM
3	Men of PPD, what are your standards? Do you think they are high? I think it's actually can be justified. I suspect if you asked men to RANK those requirements, that would be one they'd be flexible on. Kind of like how many women say they want a lawyer or doctor or X and what they end up with ... it's not that important overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 04:16 PM
1	Men of PPD, what are your standards? Do you think they are high? 100%. It's really sad that most men can't articulate what they want until they've been through a couple of shit shows and THEN they start maybe showing a bit of pickiness. It does a number on women too - never getting called out or realizing you're a horrible partner is not a recipe for a good life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 04:14 PM
1	How do you tell if a guy is 'Red Pill' and not just a guy who has a basic level of respect for himself as a man? I agree with your general point, I just think you could find a general parallel in those older revolutions as well. You've actually made me wonder if there were any companies that made bank off of supporting the French revolutionists. The Russian revolution is kind of the exception because one of the points of that was to ideally eliminate the idea of companies in a capitalistic sense...but someone still got rich and I'm pretty sure they got there by corrupting the social movement in some way...…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 03:11 AM
2	Men are never allowed to be "Good enough" ?? Can you explain what that has to do with what I posted? Or are you not replying to me?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 11:20 PM
2	Why do RP men argue that they shouldn’t have to compete or work hard to get with women? Yeah - it's very easy to fall into the rage part. Although I do see it as two sides of the same coin really. The one side is telling men that to be successful in dating/etc. they can't just sit there and expect a perfect relationship to fall into their lap. They're responsible for their success in the relationship sphere (now, what "success" means in RP can be different to different men, but the process is still the same. Sleeping with 150 women seems like a pretty hollow "success" to me, but to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 05:25 PM
2	How do you tell if a guy is 'Red Pill' and not just a guy who has a basic level of respect for himself as a man? LOL Sure, ok - if you want to speak in obtuse declarations and waste server space with comments like this go ahead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 05:01 PM
1	How do you tell if a guy is 'Red Pill' and not just a guy who has a basic level of respect for himself as a man? This sounds like McCarthy in the 1950s talking about communists. I mean it like tracks almost word for word. That's nuts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:57 PM
1	How do you tell if a guy is 'Red Pill' and not just a guy who has a basic level of respect for himself as a man? I agree. I actually keep thinking back to other famous social revolutions in history and there seems to be a repeating pattern in most of them where the revolutionaries actually achieve what they want and it just all goes to shit. It's like the dog that caught the car moment in the movement. When you are pretty much successful, what happens then? Feminists from the 1900s had a lot of good points. French peasants in 1789 had good points. Russian workers in 1917 had good points. But after a while.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 02:43 PM
0	How do you tell if a guy is 'Red Pill' and not just a guy who has a basic level of respect for himself as a man? Academic standards when you get into this stuff is not the magic word that people seem to think it is. There are plenty of academic studies that were well thought of in their time and are now thought of as ridiculous and unfortunately patriarchal theory is probably one. It may have some narrow application in some societies but it is used as a cudgel in gender studies in so many ways it's pretty much at the same point as "toxically masculine". An okay theory used to represent something that could…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 02:35 PM
1	How do you tell if a guy is 'Red Pill' and not just a guy who has a basic level of respect for himself as a man? Why do you think this is a bad thing? Men SHOULD reject women who are bad partners, who treat them badly, or who don't meet their standards - whatever they are. And yes, that's even before you meet someone. Hell, talk about the pot calling the kettle black - women don't reject men based on a few pieces of information about them, or 5 minutes talking, or even just seeing them on the street??? That's probably one of the best parts of the red pill - being told you actually should be picky as a man …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 02:24 PM
3	How do you tell if a guy is 'Red Pill' and not just a guy who has a basic level of respect for himself as a man? It's weird because people talk about the red pill as if it's some kind of secret mind virus or something. If you look at the original red pill, it's not that horrible a theory. Personal interpretation of course, but really it just boils down to "don't sacrifice yourself on the alter of what society tells you you are supposed to do". There's a ton of self-improvement in the red pill space as well. That can be taken to unhealthy extremes, which is what I think you are thinking of when you wrote yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 02:11 PM
-2	Men are never allowed to be "Good enough" Voting this up wasn't enough. So thank you for one ray of reasonableness and good thought in a post full of horrible posturing. And THANK YOU for talking about both sides of the issue, both your own issues with inadequacy as a woman (which I agree are tough) while also acknowledging the unique struggles of men in the same way	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 12:39 PM
3	Men are never allowed to be "Good enough" Did you have to walk 2 miles to school everyday, uphill both ways in snowstorms? I mean that's what my grandparents told me. Jesus, you work hard and succeed and that doesn't mean you're special or that you had to overcome massive trials. Grow up on the rez in Northern Canada and get out of there and I'll maybe give you some respect. OR immigrate from Africa to the West and arrive with 500$ in your pocket and that's it. But being a women....that's it? Get in the back of the line in this oppressi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 12:34 PM
6	Men are never allowed to be "Good enough" I disagree, I think they actually would like it. Hell, I would. Don't get me wrong, it would still be annoying to be rejected by everyone but it would help. I think it's still underestimated how FEW compliments and positive feedback men get in general. Hell, just compare women self-improvement media vs men's. Men's is almost "here's how you get better work, work, work, work," and even with alternative lifestyle channels, it is still phrased in a competitive way. If I want to feel better in gener…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 12:20 PM
–	It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. A couple points: I didn't actually say I was talking about the men in this sub. I don't remember any discussion of this debate being limited to only members of this sub. I don't know why you suddenly shifted the goalposts of this argument to that. My main point was that men in general in society over the past 10-20 years or so have been asked to change their behaviour. Now some have tried to change and some haven't, but you have to be kidding me if you want to argue men aren't AWARE of that. Als…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 11:58 AM
–	It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. No, I really don't want to continue a conversation with someone who writes about themselves like you did. If you can't see how many times in your comment you justified your own behaviours and personality as harmless and amusing while preemptively insulting and belittling any criticism (justifiable or not) before it was even brought up.... No thank you. And for the record, I don't think you are bullying me. I said you SOUND like a bully. That's what it looks like, once you take your comment and s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 11:35 AM
8	Whats an acceptable way for men to express their frustration and difficulties in life around/towards women? That sounds like a pretty biased view of genders to me. You want to shout into the void go ahead. My position is pretty reasonable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 05:31 PM
7	Whats an acceptable way for men to express their frustration and difficulties in life around/towards women? 100% agree BUT I hold women to exact same standard. If you do too then we have zero problems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 05:12 PM
0	Whats an acceptable way for men to express their frustration and difficulties in life around/towards women? Maybe you should just put your foot down. Tell her why that's fucking annoying and then sit somewhere else if she doesn't get it. I do have sympathy, but this is a 100% covert contract (of No More Mr Nice Guy fame). And the only one who is permitting this behavior is you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 05:07 PM
2	It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. I agree, defiance is the perfect word. And I'd even extend the argument to it being a general personality trait that is annoying to everyone. I'm sure some people have run into guys who are just needlessly defiant about anything (!) and it is fucking exhausting to be around after a while. "Hey - can you pass me that wrench?" "Get it yourself".... it's like.. why the fuck can you not just work with me here...	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:46 PM
1	It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. What is your reaction when a man says "I don't need any woman. What do I need them for"? Does it maybe make you feel a bit like... "well then fuck you"? That's how a lot of men feel. With justification in some cases I think. No one likes being called out as extraneous to anyone's life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:30 PM
0	It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. Jesus, I had something nice typed up then I re-read your comment in more detail, and.. I just can't do it. You say you love honesty, then you sockpuppet anyone who might disagree with you: obviously demonstrating their gender conditioning without realizing it. "plenty are turned off by it coughthreatened by itcough" "you probably do like women who are more submissive / passive / deferential, but don't want to admit it for some reason." The entire presentation of how you interact with others ju…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:27 PM
2	It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. Would you be more cautious dating a man who said he was "red pill aware"? "Independent" is a bit of a catch-all. That woman could be "independent" in the way that you mean it. She could also be "independent" as in "I am independent of any partner's control or wishes and will never compromise on decisions because comprise has the same meaning as capitulate in my mind". I'm exaggerating a bit, but as someone who's had several woman that meet the second rather than the first definition in my life -…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:06 PM
0	It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. This is it - right here. I will admit that in this specific area, men are having a language issue as well. Just like how "Defund the Police" was a great idea with an extremely stupid catchphrase, wanting a "submissive" partner is probably the wrong word to use for the vast majority of men (there is probably a minority of men that actually want that of course, just like there was a minority of activists that actually wanted to just defund the police and not reallocate funding to more appropriate …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:49 PM
0	There's absolutely zero logical reason why child support is still a mandatory thing Glad you agree. There are only 5 countries in the world where that is the case. In fact, in the majority of the world women can retire several years earlier than men. By retire I mean receive a government pension, etc. So even though they have shorter lives, men have to wait longer than woman. And that's one example of a spectrum of unfair practices. It's just the one that I remember first because it's so cruel. It seems to me like trying to equalize biological differences through the law is app…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/05/24 03:37 AM
1	There's absolutely zero logical reason why child support is still a mandatory thing Meh....I'd still rather avoid that whole thing. Custody means the courts have to get involved, there's a fight, etc. etc. Plus YOU (the one asking for full custody now) might be a shitty parent as well. But like I said, I lean on the side of having basic stuff provided in general in abundant societies, I don't mind safety nets because I see them as counters to complete 100% full capitalism survival of the fittest. And I'd prefer that those safety nets be handled as evenly as possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/24 07:09 PM
1	There's absolutely zero logical reason why child support is still a mandatory thing That's fair. Then -in this debate - you'll have to put up with your ex-wife/ex-husband using your child support money to treat herself to a new lease while telling your child that they can't afford new clothes for school, because that's the alternative (exaggerated of course - tons of custodial parents take great care of their kids.. but we're not really talking about the good parents here).	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/24 06:34 PM
0	There's absolutely zero logical reason why child support is still a mandatory thing Yeah, sorry - I'm guessing you lean libertarian and/or live in the USA. I've lived in Europe and other more left-leaning countries. It is completely possible to have laws structured in such a way that the government can provide enough services that children with a single parent have at least a basic chance at being a productive member of society. There's wastage of course and it's not as efficient as it could be... but the alternative offered here is that you give the money directly to the custo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/24 06:27 PM
2	There's absolutely zero logical reason why child support is still a mandatory thing Women live longer than men in most countries, on average by 8%. So you'd be okay with men being able to retire a couple of years earlier than men to compensate for that biological unfairness, right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/24 06:10 PM
0	There's absolutely zero logical reason why child support is still a mandatory thing I'd be happy to pay child support and higher taxes if single parents were provided more government-run programs. Because then at least the usage of money would be transparent and would more likely lead to better outcomes for the child. The solution of providing the money directly to the custodial parent is less effective because it depends on them not being an idiot and being wise with the usage of money. Children with a single parent are already behind the eight ball in terms of producing a pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/24 06:01 PM
1	There's absolutely zero logical reason why child support is still a mandatory thing That's interesting, I would agree - if child support was paid to the child in some way. But it's not, is it? It's to the custodial parent. It's also incredibly one-sided in enforcement (to be fair, it's not enforced too much either). Funnily enough, when you look into it, women are more likely to not pay child support when they are required to pay it (which is a minority of the time). https://www.npr.org/2015/03/01/389945311/who-fails-to-pay-child-support-moms-at-a-higher-rate-than-dads EDIT: by…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/24 05:48 PM
–	POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREAD Because moving the standard for society is a thankless task that often takes years of work that no one recognizes. This is like asking why did it take so long for workers to get 40 hour work weeks. Answer: it's fucking hard. I can't get developers to contribute to a codebase that actively reduces their effort. And that's been in 4 different software dev teams.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 10:58 PM
–	POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREAD Have you tried talking? It's weird but surprisingly something that seems to have worked for about 1.5 million years or so. Grunting works too but that's a bit old school.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 10:53 PM
–	POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREAD "Everyone's got a plan until they get out-fucked by a 20 year old weeb with a bass guitar" Albert Einstein (probably)	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 10:34 PM
7	Do most women choose the Bear? I think this is an interesting post because it's a great collection of murders that were heavily covered by the media, which is why you've probably heard of them and posted them. I googled Athens Georgia murders myself and the first 5 pages of Google News results were all about that one incident. But I wanted to dig into it a bit more and I apologize in advance - I know you were making a point about women getting attacked in the woods and contrasting it with bears. I'm not arguing that point. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 07:19 PM
0	CMV If 2 people agree beforehand that if the woman gets pregnant she’ll abort, and she subsequently changes her mind, the man should be able to opt out of all rights and responsibilities Why would you need a contract? I'm not being facetious - I really want to know. Because I can't square that with current abortion regulations in most of the western world. There doesn't seem to be any kind of contract involved there, just an appointment and the will to go through with it within the legally required timeline? Why would a male equivalent require some kind of contract-type tool to enforce?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 03:09 PM
1	CMV If 2 people agree beforehand that if the woman gets pregnant she’ll abort, and she subsequently changes her mind, the man should be able to opt out of all rights and responsibilities Isn't this just the "she should have kept her legs closed" argument with the sexes switched around?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 03:05 PM
0	CMV If 2 people agree beforehand that if the woman gets pregnant she’ll abort, and she subsequently changes her mind, the man should be able to opt out of all rights and responsibilities This is a fallacy. Arguing that people disobey the law doesn't mean that the law itself is unjust or just. The same logic could be used to argue for the repealing of speed limits. After all, millions of people speed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 02:51 PM
–	Hypothesis on the Bear Situation. Choosing Bear is a statement, not a real life decision. This is true and a good take on why women and men would answer the way they generally do. Having said that... It doesn't matter to me that I understand why women say bear because: It's horrible communication. If you want to communicate the message that men should be nicer to women, then just SAY THAT. Consider the number of threads and effort expended on this stupid experiment that involved bringing up stats about bear attacks or whatever. This use of sidebands of communication to provide the re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 07:09 PM
23	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television For all those who couldn't bother to google The View's ratings (and there's so many I don't have time or the energy to individually call you out). For the 1st quarter, [of 2024] The View” ranked No. 1 in Households (1.71 rating) and Total Viewers (2.512 million) among all network and syndicated daytime talk shows and news programs (from https://www.dgepress.com/abcnews/pressrelease/the-view-ranks-no-1-in-households-and-total-viewers-among-the-network-and-syndicated-daytime-talk-shows-and-news-pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 02:23 AM
2	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television I had a whole paragraph written out about how ridiculous it is to bring up historical oppression to try and justify sexism today but it's not worth it. All I will say is that your argument is the most infantilizing thing I've seen in a long time. Because women were historically less effective at oppressing others (and I mean, some women - hands drenched in blood), you will treat these grown women - who have more money and power than 99.8% of the world's population - like their words are just sil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 02:03 AM
–	Around 1 in 50 fathers are unknowingly raising children that are not theirs. Should we normalize paternity tests? Exactly - this is a reasonable take. It's very weird to me that the argument is "just have the conversation, loser" (paraphrasing). There are plenty of laws that were passed to replace individuals having to deal with things personally. The first one I can think of off the top of my head is how some places require seniors to re-test to maintain their driver's licenses. In places where that isn't the law, the responsibility passes to the family or others who often don't restrict them from driving …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 12:59 PM
1	What more can be asked of men? It's a catch-22 unfortunately. How can a jewish family in 1932 somewhere in Germany prove they are not dangerous? How can a Japanese family in the United States in 1942 prove they aren't dangerous? How can an actor in Hollywood in 1950 prove they aren't a communist? Spoiler alert: they can't. Because individuals might be able to understand nuance, but people are stupid and easily led, especially when they buy into a belief system that encourages absolutism. The best approach I've found is to mai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 04:30 PM
1	Q4M: When you say “women are wonderful” effect, can you provide some examples of why, how, and what is causing that effect? Having said that the women-are-wonderful effect isn't really about the woman herself. It's how other people perceive her actions, right? That is what that study is looking at. Although I am not sure how you would measure it, it would be interesting to try and measure this effect on women about themselves. So in that example, the WaW effect is implicit how the requirements for women are presented in a positive, virtuous way and men's requirements are shown in a negative, demonized way. I'm not tr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 08:05 PM
1	Q4M: When you say “women are wonderful” effect, can you provide some examples of why, how, and what is causing that effect? Mmm... I'd disagree with this a bit - women benefit from implicit ASSUMPTIONS that they are more competent interpersonally as a gender. Individual women may be more competent socially than some men. However, there are plenty of women who are WORSE at interpersonal communication than men. I'd suggest that the women-are-wonderful effect comes into play when someone interacting with a woman gives them the benefit of the doubt about their intentions more than they would with a man. Just to give an e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 07:46 PM
2	Dating apps and the over-abundance of options: why this illusion of choice is a bad thing Ah ok - thank you. I couldn't figure out why you would apply it only to one gender. I agree with dropping users like that. Although it would never happen because those users probably fund the app.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 02:51 PM
1	Dating apps and the over-abundance of options: why this illusion of choice is a bad thing Ok, you didn't actually answer my question fully. You said No, you wouldn't apply that rule to women, but you didn't say why. I don't see your logic in getting rid of men who don't match but not getting rid of women who won't choose anybody. Why not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 02:46 PM
2	Dating apps and the over-abundance of options: why this illusion of choice is a bad thing That's interesting. Would you be in favor of the same type of rule being applied to women? If not, why? (Took a quick look and found some stats about match percentages on tinder, but I could do more research.It seems like there is a stark contrast based on attractiveness, but I could see someone unattractive easily having to go over 500 swipes to get any responses at all. Does that change your mind? https://paulvanderlaken.com/2019/07/31/two-tinder-experiments-an-unequal-economy/ )	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 02:20 PM
3	Dating apps and the over-abundance of options: why this illusion of choice is a bad thing Oh yeah - I'm not saying it's a GOOD approach. I'm just pointing out that the gender imbalance and the design of dating apps themselves kind of make that happen. I've heard of men trying this kind of shotgun approach in real life, but only in online stories/embellishments. Never in real life but I can't imagine the level of "don't give a fuck" you'd need to pull it off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 02:13 PM
0	Dating apps and the over-abundance of options: why this illusion of choice is a bad thing <shrug> Note I said if they weren't that smart or just didn't care. Dating apps are (when you think about it) basically to in-person dating as the internet is to in-person commentary. I don't have very many people telling me to go fuck myself in-person - but online I've been told everything under the sun, sideways. Apps encourage low-effort browsing which encourage low-effort approaches. Throw in the internet and I'm not really surprised. Might even just be from the frustration of swiping on 500…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 02:09 PM
0	Dating apps and the over-abundance of options: why this illusion of choice is a bad thing Do you think one of the contributing factors to men going straight to sex right away (creepy or otherwise) is because from that side of the app it's mostly a numbers game? I could see a guy just giving up on trying to spend a lot of effort on each approach and (if they're not that smart..or if they just don't care enough) just defaulting back to "u up beautiful" because at least if they get some interest it's already pretty clear what both sides are interested in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 01:10 PM
–	Study finds feminists don't hate men Yeah, I agree somewhat on the colonial part. Plus different societies might think about things quite differently (see the recent thread on dating in France for example, and the stats on acceptance of adultery, etc - and that's a first-world western country), so they'll have their own path to things. But I think that's where some of this fatigue is coming from. How can feminism deal with winning? What now? Just keep going forever, finding smaller and smaller gender issues to fight?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 09:00 PM
20	Would you hate even more the french dating scene ? Yeah .... the president's relationship with his former teacher is way, waaaaay beyond what would be considered acceptable in the USA. he was 15, she was 39, and his high school teacher. They had an affair. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/emmanuel-macron-parents-how-discovered-affair-drama-teacher-brigitte-trogneux-dating-french-president-election-win-a7724201.html So basically imagine if Vili Fualaau became the president (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau) and everyone kind of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 07:15 PM
23	Would you hate even more the french dating scene ? That sounds great honestly. But I should point out that France has made private paternity testing illegal to "preserve the peace within french families" (https://www.ibdna.com/paternity-testing-ban-upheld-in-france/). That, along with a general attitude towards adultery much more permissive than other areas makes me wonder about anything past dating. 40% of french people surveyed considered having an affair morally unacceptable. This is compared to 80% in the USA. (https://www.pewresearch.org/sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 07:08 PM
–	Study finds feminists don't hate men Well, I think it's kind of useful feedback that feminism as a group is missing out on. Would you agree that third-wave and fourth-wave feminism are focusing on less impactful shit? It's easy to argue for women to have bank accounts -it's something that is common and affects a lot of people. But maybe it's just that the stuff that is coming up now is not important enough for the rest of society to care. So it's not so much that it's entrenched and hard to change because it's cultural - it's just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 06:59 PM
–	Study finds feminists don't hate men Sorry, I'm going to have to call this argument on account on reasonableness :) If stuff is said on network daytime TV... it's pretty far-reaching. It's not like the 80/90's and it is dying slowly, but that's one of the primary media channels for western society. Hell, if you really want to go down this road, I'd argue that for this specific case, it's actually more damaging that this was said on daytime TV. Although we're normalizing stay-at-home dads, the primary audience for daytime TV is stil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 06:33 PM
–	Study finds feminists don't hate men This is what I was talking about in one of my earlier comments. A lot of women who identify as feminists probably appreciate or are at least neutral towards men. I believe that. But society doesn't hear from them condemning or at least pushing back against stuff like this. So, in reality, you have loud women voices saying shit like this, push their identity as a WOMAN and by extension, feminists and then wonder why men are starting to dislike women call themselves the same. It's like the skinhea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 06:27 PM
–	Study finds feminists don't hate men I actually agree but what worries and bothers me is that the loudest members of a group are usually the ones that sway POLICY. I'm happy that most women don't seem to hate men, but if the small amount of them who scream at journalists and politicians aren't shouted down by the rest, then that large group of benevolent feminists aren't really doing anything benevolent - in terms of men's issues. FYI I'd argue the same for MRAs but a bit more in reverse - lots of complaining, a lot less impact. I'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/24 06:19 PM
2	Can you prove women's alleged "mental load"? Not to butt in but you both are right. This is a balancing act. Both partners have a different set of expectations. The best way to resolve the conflict is to meet in the middle. So maybe the one who wants things cleaner relaxes a bit. And the one who doesn't works a bit more than normal. But considering you both are strangers on the internet and can't discuss this without throwing in jabs (bratty child, weird dislikes) shows how well this goes. It's amazing how quickly everyone tries to use sha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/24 02:57 PM
0	Can you prove women's alleged "mental load"? Best take. The primary problem with this discussed-to-death conversation is that everyone involved seems to skip entirely over the "what I think is normal is entirely subjective to me" stuff and go right to "my partner is deficient and therefore a bad person". No - maybe you are just applying your own subjective standards to someone else without telling them and then shaming them for it. Maybe when you grew up and your mother screamed at you when you didn't clean the toilet every 2nd day you sho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/24 02:51 PM
5	As a feminist what can i do to support men’s rights without diminishing those of women? It's one of the best ways I've seen to understand how the genders have a very different experience through life. I would suggest that you take the ending with a grain of salt - for context Norah ended her own life a while ago, but unlike what you might hear in some parts of the internet, I don't think that her experience in this book that caused that. She also had written a book much later in her life about her experience in mental asylums, for example. Another suggestion for a great POV on curr…	/r/MensRights	11/04/24 03:25 PM
2	Women today are the ones slut shaming men and trying to control men's bodies. I think you might be reaching there in your assumption that it isn't true sexual harassment accusations don't bring desireable outcomes for the victim, because it assumes that the only desireable outcome for the victim is for the accused to suffer the "maximum" penalty. As shown in other discussions in this thread, the result of an sexual harassment claim where there is no clear evidence can vary widely. You're right that in some cases it can end with the accuser actually suffering more than the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 06:20 PM
1	Women today are the ones slut shaming men and trying to control men's bodies. It's tough. I can't find any studies that try and tackle this specific issue, because it's at work as opposed to through police force stats. I was able to find a couple references for legal cases: A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault found a 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009). A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Boston from 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010). Using qualit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 04:16 PM
5	How valid are womens fears of men? That is what is BLOWING my mind in this thread. There is so much fucking panic in some of these replies it's crazy. It is the safest time in history in almost everywhere on the planet. Crime is at historical lows compared to almost every other era in history. But in this thread it sounds like rape and crime central.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 04:27 AM
27	If a large amount of "dating age" males and females were gender-swapped (including brains and sexual orientation) for a year, how would they do and what would they learn? Not trying to offend but this is just making me smile. Makes me think of the Mike Tyson quote: "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." As a man, you would have no invisible social defense and getting into fights...I would be incredibly surprised if it took more than one before you never wanted to get to that point again. Fighting hurts lol - there are a ton of people who get killed accidentally every year just hitting their head or something in a fist fight. This is a surprisi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/24 07:51 PM
2	Women egocentrically define "maturity" and "responsibility" in terms of their own gender role I don't have a horse in this race but this is the biggest strawman I've seen since I saw wizard of oz about 20 years ago.. and I live on a farm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/24 05:31 PM
3	Why do men get so much hate from women nowadays when lesbians have the highest rates of divorce & domestic violence and their relationships don’t last? All right, I'll bite: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091110105401.htm Enrolled 515 patients in 2001 and 2002 and followed them until February 2006. No retractions that I could find. So this study stands. One thing to consider is that is a fairly small group of people to track. The total number of divorces you are basing this on is 60 couples...you realize that right? https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/mar/30/the-men-who-give-up-on-their-spouses-when-they-have-cancer Men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/24 03:32 PM
3	Society looks the other way a lot more with women's toxic behavior in heterosexual relationships than with men's Don't know about less capable of violence. Depends on how you define it. Maybe less capable of physically damaging the other person to the point where it becomes a concern. Plus, replace "Women" with "asian people" and "Men" with "black men" in this sentence and it becomes incredibly easy to see where judging everyone in a group as a monolith might be problematic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/24 03:30 PM
5	Society looks the other way a lot more with women's toxic behavior in heterosexual relationships than with men's Just an aside (I agree with your comment FYI and not trying to attack it) - I find it interesting that you added that caveat to male-only spaces. That they can turn into a "den of toxicity". I'd argue that female-only spaces ALSO can very easily turn into a toxic mess. A current-day example is some of those "are we dating the same guy" facebook groups. But once I started paying attention, I can't unsee it. In general, when speaking, only men's concerns have that "watch out! It might be dangerous…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/24 03:21 PM
2	Have you ever been abused, sexually assaulted or harassed by a woman? I'm not the original poster but to answer your question: if I had to bet, I would bet that maybe 20% of the men who respond in a gender-flipped version of this would be huge assholes. Maybe another 20% would try to insert their own experiences and turn it into victim Olympics but the rest I would think would probably be "that's horrible" or the "I'm sorry that happened to you" or maybe some questions. BUT I am willing to bet the participation level of men on the woman thread would be much higher…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/24 02:26 PM
2	I am completely lost, and nobody can actually help me except the one person who refuses to do just that. I'm not okay. (HUGE post) I'll be brief - you are still letting your wife's opinion of you drive your sense of self-worth. Until you learn to take value from your own actions, and judge yourself instead of relying on your wife, you will be stuck in this cycle. I mean - now you've found out something. Feel better? Did it have ANYTHING to do with you? Because from what you wrote, it didn't. And now that you have found out something, are you thinking in your head - "well, now I won't joke with people and my wife will love m…	/r/Divorce_Men	28/02/24 01:30 AM
1	I am completely lost, and nobody can actually help me except the one person who refuses to do just that. I'm not okay. (HUGE post) Thought experiment: What would you do if your wife was impossible to talk to somehow - how would you deal with moving forward? Would you be unable to start addressing your issues because you needed her answer so much? What would you do? Imagine you are 100% sure you will never get those answers. What then?	/r/Divorce_Men	27/02/24 12:34 PM
6	I am completely lost, and nobody can actually help me except the one person who refuses to do just that. I'm not okay. (HUGE post) I'm sorry to say this but I think you need to try and figure out why your self worth has gotten so low that you are willing to put your marriage above everything about yourself, including your health. You should really work with a therapist to try and explore that. You are basically a huge people pleaser, to the point where you have sacrificed a ton of things about yourself on the alter of having your wife want you. If it isn't your wife it's your job. I think this because I am also one. Most of…	/r/Divorce_Men	26/02/24 09:59 AM
1	Why is it that women are confused about why men don’t want to be open about there vulnerabilities ? You completely dodged the assertion. Motive: couldn't deny the hypocrisy so just ignored the argument.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 05:23 PM
1	Why is it that women are confused about why men don’t want to be open about there vulnerabilities ? Why did he touch your bum? What were you wearing? Are you sure he touched your bum DELIBERATELY? Maybe it was just an accident? I mean, you didn't provide context for when this incident happened. What was the motive behind him touching your bum? We found, when pressured, the woman admitted that although she phrased it as the man sexually assaulting her, the actual issue was that there was a wasp on her bum and that the man didn't want her to get stung. This shows how exaggerated sexual assault s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 04:55 PM
1	Why is it that women are confused about why men don’t want to be open about there vulnerabilities ? Isn't this the EXACT same argument men make when the topic is about women being afraid of men because of the possibility of being assaulted? Men say: "I've never met a man who has assaulted a woman", "the number of men who commit crimes like this is incredibly low - the odds you'll run into one are so small", "not all men are rapists, don't judge us based on your fears". And (somewhat justifiably) women talk back: "don't invalidate our experience", "it only takes one", "you don't know what it's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 04:34 PM
1	Why is it that women are confused about why men don’t want to be open about there vulnerabilities ? I'm not the original commenter but the way I interpret it is that when women ask men to express their feelings, they're expecting the same type of emotional sharing that they have experienced (or have been shown through media/etc.) with other women. But men are both taught to not share their emotions (so when they do they'll be horrible at it - why would you expect them not to be?) AND have different emotions, drivers, and processes from women. Not better, or anything - just different. To use a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 04:15 PM
10	Why is it that women are confused about why men don’t want to be open about there vulnerabilities ? What's the phrase? "Privilege is invisible to those who have it"? It's funny when people realize that also applies to them. Women have the privilege of expecting to be able to open up and be supported. They can't understand what it's like to have the opposite expectation as a baseline. If a man doesn't support his women when she's expressing vulnerability, the world tells him "Be better". When a man expresses vulnerability and isn't supported, the world tells him "what did you expect"? (FYI look…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 03:39 PM
5	Why is it that women are confused about why men don’t want to be open about there vulnerabilities ? You know what - I had a whole paragraph written out showing how many assumptions and bad-faith judgements are encapsulated in this comment, but it's getting late in the week and I've got better things to do so I'll leave it at this: This is a great comment - because it so succinctly shows exactly the type of partner that everyone should try and avoid. If someone you are interested in having an intimate relationship talks like this - just leave. They have assumed that you are lying, they assume t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 03:34 PM
4	Women on this sub really need to stop calling men who struggle in dating "socially inept" Meh. You aren't taking into account the frequency of posts in that survey. If you look at the small subset of users who post the most ("My life is PPD" or 10-20 HOURS per week) you'll see that they lean older, and have an average partner count of 13. So the people who read PPD might be virgins, the people who are most active (and who you see over and over again in threads) are not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 04:26 PM
3	What will be the longterm implications of the erosion of the "Women's are wonderful" effect in dating and relationships? I'd add a little codicil to that prediction - I think the tide will begin to turn when the issues RP men highlight are addressed, one way or another. As you highlighted, there aren't a huge number of positive masculine role models that are addressing this, so there isn't an alternative for those boys EXCEPT for RP (and some are grifters, definitely). Plus, this stuff didn't just appear overnight, there have been years and years of building up of women (which a lot of was required) and pushing do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/24 09:09 PM
5	Are women not getting approached anymore? Just piggybacking on your comment to highlight the dichotomy because I think it's a GREAT example of how dating has shifted over the years. I agree that he should probably try with this girl and see, but society - especially media - has hammered home for the past 20+ years that men approaching women is a grave sin if it's done "incorrectly". The problem is that "incorrectly" is pretty vague. I know that you could easily argue that "no it's not vague you just should do X and Y and not Z". But tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 09:32 PM
6	Why do men not tell other men to be vulnerable, AND, why do women tell men to be more vulnerable, en masse? This is making me laugh because it pretty much seems like the emotional version of "be attractive/don't be unattractive" meme about dating. Share your vulnerability, but just you know... the parts that make you seem a bit more human and like... sexier. It's so amazing to know you shared that completely gender appropriate struggle-meme about having issues with culture. But don't talk about that icky depression - I mean I like that dark brooding thing you have going on there, but can you just not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 08:03 PM
1	Why do men not tell other men to be vulnerable, AND, why do women tell men to be more vulnerable, en masse? I don't normally do throw away comments but if I could upvote this more I would. That's 100% true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 07:52 PM
1	Why do men not tell other men to be vulnerable, AND, why do women tell men to be more vulnerable, en masse? Why would anyone want to share their burdens with a partner that says that if they can't get their shit together they're a child, or uses infantilizing and emasculating language like "huffing and puffing about whatever it is" and "don't be a child and a grown woman will want you". I'd say for men (hell.. for people in general) one of the most valuable things to know is that their partner accepts them for who they are, even when they aren't perfect. I would say, on average, women give men the opp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 07:47 PM
12	Why do men not tell other men to be vulnerable, AND, why do women tell men to be more vulnerable, en masse? It depends on what you term aggressive though. Women in general express their anger through verbal aggression and psychological aggression much more than men. This makes sense, since societal and historical stereotypes teach most people that men and women should express their anger through those channels. I don't think you should assume that men are more aggressive because it's easier to "see" (holes in the drywall, etc.). I think women will become aggressive much more quickly than men, but it w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 07:18 PM
2	Is it becoming a growing trend for women (and especially young women) to casually disrespect and sexually demean men they believe are less attractive than them with no provocation? 100% this. As human society has become safer, physical strength has become less and less useful as a way to resolve arguments. By arguments, I don't just mean you should do X, not Y. I also mean Person1 made me feel uncomfortable, so I will make myself feel better by making you feel uncomfortable. In the past, the default resolving mechanism was physical violence. Men are generally better at that than women are. But women learned how to compensate for that disadvantage by using other channels fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 03:37 PM
3	What is your take on the PPD survey/demographic results? I think the straight average isn't the meat of the survey because what you interact with is probably more dependent on what users are most active rather than the average. Instead of just the straight average of everyone who replied to the survey, filter the data to look at the users who reported they spend 10-20 hours or more on the subreddit AND "post and comment" or "just comment". That subset of users (13 total) is 53%/46% men/women. The age breakdown is 15% younger than 24, 46% between 25-30…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/23 07:21 PM
1	PPD 2023 DEMOGRAPHICS SURVEY Thanks for letting me know	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/23 11:20 PM
1	Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women. I was replying to dmatthews021120's comment. Not you. You want to rephrase your attack now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/23 08:48 PM
2	PPD 2023 DEMOGRAPHICS SURVEY Keep going. You're only not sticking with it if you give up. :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/23 08:37 PM
2	PPD 2023 DEMOGRAPHICS SURVEY Is there any way to see the average number of posts/comments per user over time? I'm very curious as there's a small subset of usernames I keep seeing over and over. I can pull it per username but I don't want to bias myself but am also lazy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/23 08:36 PM
1	Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women. I could write a lot in this thread because I do think it's a rich vein of masculine and feminine gender roles and a particular hobby horse of mine, but LillithofBabylon is one of the commenters that I really don't like very much so I'll just say that while I think you're kind of right, I think in most cases you're wrong about why. I think women are completely unprepared for a man who actually shares his true feelings. I think (and it makes logical sense when you think about it) that when women t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/23 08:11 PM
1	Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women. Not trying to start a fight with this, but this is one of the reasons why men commit suicide at such a high rate. You might be fine with that or not, I don't know - sometimes I wish people would just be honest about having a certain percentage of the population get ground under the wheels of whatever philosophy they're proposing right up front instead of having to tease it out of them later. I think there's a lot in the red pill that makes sense. But I really do hate how passive it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/23 07:50 PM
0	Karen are just normal women that lost their halo effect While horrible, threats on the internet are pretty much standard. I'd say threats are pretty much a given in ANY system that allows relative anonymity. I've been threatened explicitly, up to telling me the neighborhood in which I lived, in the 90s, while on bulletin boards, before the internet was widely available and I was a teenager. I was annoying of course, but I don't think I was THAT bad. The most to-the-point meme I've seen about this is the greater internet fuckwad theory (https://knowyo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/23 01:36 PM
2	Karen are just normal women that lost their halo effect I might be treating this comment with more seriousness than you expected, if so I apologize - but it's not actually real fights most of the time. It's the POSSIBLITY of getting into a fight more than anything. It is true that in current society getting into fistfights is less prevalent but the option is there for men a bit more than for women in a way that's a little hard to quantify. I think most men know the feeling of being in a situation where you can feel things about to go wrong - or the f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/23 01:29 PM
1	Are men here weaponizing their victimhood against women? That's a funny way to put it because obviously, it feels exactly the same on the "other side" so to speak. At least there's one thing everyone has in common.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/23 01:09 PM
4	Are men here weaponizing their victimhood against women? ...who is the majority of suicides again? I've forgotten. Oh well, I'm sure that situation will resolve itself without any horrible societal impacts over the next 20-30 years and has nothing to do with the issues being raised by men mentioned in this thread. I also enjoy your extremely unique way of taking issues and quantifying how important they are based on who is having the issue. Here's a tip from history. Telling people that their concerns are just a game and will never be taken seriously …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 05:40 PM
3	Are men here weaponizing their victimhood against women? I'm not speaking on behalf of who you addressed earlier but I would like to add that participating in a conversation like this is a valid way to start to address men's issues. I think most of society underestimates how much friction there is around this topic - bringing it up and making it seem normal to talk about is a valid step forward to addressing those issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 03:43 PM
1	Are men here weaponizing their victimhood against women? What do you think the threads that were the point of this post are?? People always underestimate the amount of effort it takes to get a social movement off the ground. With men, triple that effort, because you are working about the biological out-group/in-group bias that is often discussed here (so I won't go over it) AND societal pressure since birth to NOT COMPLAIN.... And you are wondering why it doesn't happen?? Try 10,000 threads like this, then a couple of years of effort. Considering that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 03:41 PM
1	Are men here weaponizing their victimhood against women? This here - 100%. A lot of the arguments in this subreddit are pretty extreme - and honestly, some of the people commenting are too far gone into their rabbitholes to ever change (seriously... check out the profile of some of the regular commenters, no one who makes that many comments has anything useful to say anymore). But, these discussions can be very useful for men to start to understand what they feel is acceptable and not acceptable, the same as many other parts of society over the past y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 03:33 PM
2	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. That doesn't seem to actually make any arguments invalid. All that seems to say is that people judge a subjective trait subjectively. This thread seems to be simply pointing out that discrepancy and highlighting the hypocrisy of it. This is still a useful discussion, I'd argue, because just letting subjective measurements rest without analysis leads down societal pathways we've gone down numerous times, without any good results. For example, see here: https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 03:10 PM
1	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. Good people but bad societal standards. Lots of people have enforced bad standards while bein very nice people overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 09:01 PM
2	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. Ok, let's do a small thought experiment. Can you think of a scenario in which your husband crying makes you feel the "ick" (sorry, that's a horrible term but in this specific case I think it's a useful concept)? What if he cried because his favorite team lost a game? What if he cried because of a hard day at work? What if he cried after a slightly hard day at work? What if he cried two or three times in a week? What if he cried because of something you did, which you didn't think was that impact…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 09:00 PM
2	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. Eh, I wouldn't be that harsh about it. The argument I've heard about that - that I think makes sense - is that many men have tried but when they do open up the woman can't take it. Not because the woman is actively lying but because this is something subconscious that they can't control. And like many worries, it might not actually have to happen to that man directly in order to be a concern. What I find weird and a little sad that you missed is that for a lot of men, we are so used to not havin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 07:35 PM
0	Feminists and People like Tate,Myron and Pearl are two sides of the same coin When some people are dying of thirst they'll drink salt water. Maybe give them some fresh water instead of asking why they're so stupid to drink from the ocean.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/23 02:01 PM
1	A big deal about dating is that it feels like work for men, and work is never fun! Yeah, I'm not saying that some people that have this attitude aren't talking out of their ass. But I AM saying that I could see how someone could get into the position of saying "this is not worth it" after two or three bad dates. Plus, you add in the online world, where maybe you don't even have to go on the date yourself, you just read 3-4 threads that collect those experiences, or you see 2-300 horrible dating profiles where the stated minimums are way above what you could provide.... I think…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 02:58 PM
3	A big deal about dating is that it feels like work for men, and work is never fun! In that analogy, don't buy bread. Encourage others not to buy bread because the companies that produce it are price gouging. Sex and relationships with the opposite gender are not worth your self-respect. Think about it - what's the alternative? Sacrifice your self-respect for mediocre sex and a relationship that's more trouble than it's worth?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 02:53 PM
2	A big deal about dating is that it feels like work for men, and work is never fun! This I disagree with. I see a lot of redpill that I think is correct if upsetting to one gender or another, but this approach doesn't make sense to me. If you sacrifice your standards to get something, at best you'll be unsatisfied, at worst you'll get something that will actively hurt you. Plus, by sacrificing your standards, you're making this situation worse for everyone else. If this is really your position, why not pay for sex with an escort? That would be understandable at that point. If y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 02:38 PM
6	A big deal about dating is that it feels like work for men, and work is never fun! Perhaps look into online dating profiles. I would pay a non-insignificant amount of money to have access to Tinder or Bumble datasets which quantify success in terms of messages back and forth. How many men and women are going on multiple dates? What's the curve? Is it in fact making fuckboys out of the top 5-10% of men? What's it doing to women? I do think (although it is tinged with a little hysteria) that some women on dating sites are probably spoiled for choice. Having a lot of options prob…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 02:26 PM
4	A big deal about dating is that it feels like work for men, and work is never fun! That is something that someone who hasn't been with shitty women long-term would say. Trust me, it can get way worse than being alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 02:20 PM
9	A big deal about dating is that it feels like work for men, and work is never fun! If you want women to be "better", to improve overall in terms of attentiveness to the opposite sex - hell, all the complaints that are regularly debated in this sub... then you SHOULD be picky. You should be encouraging other men to be picky. Affording has nothing to do with it. If the girls you are trying to date aren't reciprocating, stop rewarding that behavior. Full stop. And if you don't get sex, then you don't get sex. Done.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 02:19 PM
1	Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives? That's it though, DeSantis is a trump lookalike. What I mean is someone smarter than him with his charisma - and they probably won't come from the party, just like Trump did. That's the real timer. If what is driving Trump voters isn't resolved by then.....then you have Gilead, or insert your USA dystopia of choice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 03:33 PM
1	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) Just an FYI, if you are referring to the study by Paul Dolan that seems to be a fairly dumb mistake in interpreting the data https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/41408/are-single-women-actually-happier-study-misinterprets-data-researchers-say If you are referring to other studies please ignore this. (And I don't have a dog in this fight, I just try and clarify sometime when certain canards come up - like Norah Vincent killing herself only because she experienced life as a man)	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:58 PM
3	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) This is a great point. In a lot of ways, an incel puts themselves in their own prison of shame by agreeing with what they think society thinks of them. Many bachelor single men are having a very good life. The key is their life is not revolving around if they have a women or not. They have decided on another unit of measurement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:50 PM
3	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) ....you know, that actually makes women look worse right? You're saying that women are so bad at communicating that society in general shouldn't listen to the words coming out their mouth, and instead spend time and energy trying to predict what they actually meant? Or are they somehow so insecure or so lacking they are somehow hyping themselves up by inflating what they say their partner should have?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:48 PM
–	What this sub has taught you about dating and the other sex in general ? That more people should check on the amount of karma and comments someone has before replying. The amount of noise provided by a select group of posters in this Reddit is insane. They way most people post it seems like they think they're talking to a large audience...no - you are talking to a very small group that has a lot tied up in their positions...since they fucking post 24/7 about them	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:41 PM
1	Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives? Whoever wins, if they don't address the reason Trump won the first time, another Trump will come. And you (and I!) Better pray that Trump 2 is half as incompetent as the first one, because if they aren't, good luck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:33 PM
3	Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives? It is a bit rich that men complain about women not being direct when rejecting them, while at the same time wondering why no one tells far women to lose the weight. Because no one likes to put up with the reaction to bad news. You can tell a fat woman to lose weight. Some men do, but they're confident enough to not give a shit about the consequences. Same as women who tell men why they don't want them. But most people are not willing to put that much effort into a disagreeable situation. And why…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:24 PM
5	Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives? There is a good point. I do think those lessons were lost with the uptake of girlpower/feminism over the past 20 years. I certainly know that while I was raised the societal party line was completely blue pill. So red pill has served a useful purpose. Unfortunately like all social movements it will eventually metastasize into some kind of cancer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:16 PM
1	Is it just me, or are RP men becoming indistinguishable from American conservatives? 100% agree. The general quality of debate here is depressing. But then I catch myself forgetting this is the internet. I miss the 90s, when you were shit on for 3 months and learned how to behave. Now it's eternal September and we're all arguing with the town idiots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:13 PM
–	What happened when I asked my neighbor is she wanted to go for coffee? I do wonder why you feel pathetic. You didn't actually do anything wrong. In fact, at least you asked her out. She didn't even have enough courage to be direct with you. This is something I've noticed that men do before they have a lot of experience dating. You have subconsciously put yourself in the position of having lost something. She might be evaluating you but never forget that you are also evaluating her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:08 PM
–	What happened when I asked my neighbor is she wanted to go for coffee? No it was not. It was fine. Different people have different ways of expressing themselves. I hate to say be yourself, but in this case, bear in mind the average Reddit user. There's something weird when people read things written down - it's better to imagine just random people on the street yelling advice. Take it all with a huge grain of salt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 02:06 PM
2	What does the popularity of AI girlfriends say about real life western women? I know! I'm reading through this thread and the amount of actual discussion over his point vs the amount of shaming, blaming, and "well, REAL MEN wouldn't even have this problem"... fucking insane. Honestly, dumpster fire of reactions here on the pro-women side. For those at the back of the room - he's not saying AI is better than actual women. He's pointing out that even a dumb AI Bot is making him feel more like a person than the last series of dates he went on. I do not understand how many pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 12:48 PM
1	Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA? I remember Emmett Till. And then I reserve judgement until a court goes through the evidence. Because further down the road of "I know I'm right, they did it" lies worse things than you think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 01:17 PM
1	The idea that « the bar is so low » for men is more and more prominent among women. Do you think that it’s true? Does it match reality? I think saying those expectations are a low standard for modern men is pretty much the equivalent of those who argue that physical limits for women in the armed forces should be the same as for men. After all - being able to do 50 pushups + ruck, etc.... that's a "pretty low bar" physically - why can't more women just do that? Or be assertive enough to ask for a raise (https://www.benefitnews.com/news/why-women-dont-know-how-to-ask-for-a-pay-raise)? It's basic expectations, right? The problem I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 01:22 PM
1	Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles? Long story short: yes, all of those points are based on some kind of data - you can argue about whether the studies had enough participants or if online dating "counts", or whatever, but you can't argue those data points are made up. Here's a quick google of each point with sources as close as I could get to the originals Women consider 80% of men ugly while men think most women look fine with some being beautiful and some ugly. Looks like this came from a study conducted by OK Cupid in 2009. ht…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 04:19 PM
26	You have the Power to give man's problems to women for one day. What would you give them? Norah Vincent. I actually owned and read her book when it came out quite a while ago. I have to correct this when it comes up because I think she deserves it - she commited suicide almost 20 years after the publication of that book , and after another similiar book called voluntary madness which chronicled her experiences in multiple institutions (somewhat like her novel). I think linking her suicide directly to her experiences writing that book simplifies her life too much. Shortly before her s…	/r/MensRights	20/08/23 09:34 PM
9	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” Yes - this exactly. All the threads on this issue are so extreme. It's either she is an incredibly bitter ex-girlfriend or he is an "almost-but-not-quite" abusive douche. Without context, it's impossible to tell. I mean maybe Jonah Hill is incredibly controlling..orrrr...maybe he found out after they started dating that things the way she acted and the way some of her friends acted were incredibly disrespectful. I mean, couples break up over strip club visits occasionally. I don't really want to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 08:10 PM
1	Question for the 35+ crowd Since you asked in your last paragraph... I disagree with your first point. I think, mostly caused by the rise of bragging-style social media (instagram, Facebook, other sites that focus on sharing things publicly) and online dating (which flattens people out and reduces them to filterable data and photos) that looks do matter much more for men now. I also think it is impacting men a lot more because it is relatively NEW. Not to say that handsome men didn't have it easier before, but now all you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 12:27 PM
2	The left doesn’t need to cater to straight young men because they largely don’t need help Wait ... doesn't the EXACT same argument apply to those arguing the women's side in this thread?? Or do the problems that women faced historically count, while those that men faced don't? I'm confused.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 07:01 PM
0	CMV: TRP romanticizes men and demonizes women That seems like an incredibly sexist thing to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 04:11 PM
2	Arguments against Paternity Test at Birth are WILD Because for hundreds of years men had to trust that their children were theirs. Over that time, that trust became part of the societal model of virtue for womanhood. So now, if you bring up DNA testing, you run right into that bedrock model which says that a good woman would never lie or cheat. Even the implication is enough to trigger a rejection of the premise. Having said that, I think this is a great argument to bring up whenever a woman starts to talk about how she feels when men walk behin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/23 04:28 PM
1	In complete honesty…what exactly do most of you on here want? Off topic - but I have to say - I didn't realize you weren't a native speaker from your posts. Mind blown. Don't think you have anything to worry about there!	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 12:25 PM
1	Do women really want a man who opens up in a relationship? I agree with the above. The point about "emotional space" is a telling one. I do think that the definition of emotional labour in many of those studies seems to be somewhat focused on activities that are performed more often by women, BUT I think that definition is somewhat narrow. I think men probably have quite a different definition if you dug into it with them. Not to bring too much of a personal anecdote into this but I had to draw a boundary with my girlfriend quite a while ago where I wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/23 03:16 AM