Consistent_Leek_1825 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
27	A useful opinion piece about men's health on International Women's Day?	progress	Consistent_Leek_1825	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	08/03/22 09:00 PM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
5	i feel so worthless in our society (rant) Just want to say that I feel the exact same way. It is compulsive and after a while just makes me tired and angry while wasting my time. I never understood why people get addicted to facebook, etc. but for some reason this medium right here is my kryptonite.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 04:20 AM
2	New trend of women contemptuously recommending men get therapy? as many people in the comments say, therapy isn't always the most accessible thing for a lot of people It's also evidence that current mental health services are not tailored very well to men's needs overall. I highly recommend this resource exploring male friendly services.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 04:12 AM
2	New trend of women contemptuously recommending men get therapy? She's their friend, not their girlfriend.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 04:06 AM
1	Man set alight by ex partner, media attach number for men's behavioral adjustment service at the bottom. I know Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone is a little dated now, but it catalogues the decline of all of these community-level, voluntary civil institutions in the US between 1960s and 2000. Everything from the masons to sports clubs to churches. Among the main culprits he explores long commutes (ie. urban organisation and suburbia), generational change, and television. Since 2000, the Internet has pretty much finished the job. I would note that there are very few designated female-only environments …	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 03:52 AM
1	Woman asks husband to pay her $50,000 for giving birth to their child Some would say the end point of capitalism is that everything is commodified. If so, conservativism and late-stage capitalism are strange bedfellows.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 03:30 AM
3	Eating disorders among men on the rise Good point. I think it's both. Yes, eating disorders have a legacy of being seen as a female issue. Yes, increasingly unrealistic male body ideals combined with instagram and other social media are resulting in increased problems among boys and men.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 12:50 AM
7	Man set alight by ex partner, media attach number for men's behavioral adjustment service at the bottom. I agree it doesn't show many signs of turning around. Every year we get public outrage (including from politicians) over DV against women and dead silence about male victims. I have noticed it's a little more common now to see and hear gender neutral language, so that's one bright spot. See, eg. this page at 1800RESPECT, which was the first resource listed under that article.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 12:31 AM
0	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. So we agree. I am saying that they feel more disposable than the people they love and I think that is a common human feeling. If it were a common human feeling and if men were universally understood as equally capable of raising children, then we would reasonably expect a 50:50 gender split in volunteering to stay.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 12:25 AM
1	Woman asks husband to pay her $50,000 for giving birth to their child Good bot. Grammar rule I wasn't aware of.	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 12:23 AM
-2	Woman asks husband to pay her $50,000 for giving birth to their child I don't have an issue with this. Kids are an investment. Basically he's employing her with a direct sum to parent their child (instead of a nanny, I guess?), rather than the more traditional arrangement of being the breadwinner during that time. Rather than a single payment, a more logical solution would be for the $50k to be held in a trust under conditions that she gets to take it if he leaves her after the birth. Otherwise, it's paid out in installments to her and he is compensated for any lo…	/r/MensRights	11/03/22 12:21 AM
19	Man set alight by ex partner, media attach number for men's behavioral adjustment service at the bottom. It's process. News Corp likely has a policy to attach all those services at the bottom of any article that mentions domestic violence. They'll have similar policies for any article that mentions suicide. Having said that, Australia has a bizarrely chivalrous blind spot towards male victims of domestic and intimate partner violence. We literally have multi-year government policies and initiatives with names like "ending violence against women and their children", so it's no wonder that referral s…	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 11:59 PM
4	Man set alight by ex partner, media attach number for men's behavioral adjustment service at the bottom. Men's advocacy seems to have always had this problem. As you say, I suspect it will take things to get worse before attention is given, eg. boys education and levels of tertiary involvement will have to hit even more dramatic lows compared to girls, male suicide and mental health much worse, etc. For all the comparisons to feminism and civil rights in the above comments, I don't think those forms of grass-roots movement would even be possible today. Those movements were preceded by decades of co…	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 11:37 PM
25	'Tactical retreat' of the MeToo-ideology? looks like something of a tactical retreat I find movements in the currents of social attitudes always feel like this - whether they trend in a direction you approve of, or one you don't. It doesn't necessarily mean that there's a tactician pulling the strings. Trying to force consistency from the average person is a mug's game because most people aren't tracking the change itself - they're bobbing on top of the wave. It doesn't occur to someone that what used to be obvious one way is now obviou…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/03/22 10:45 PM
1	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. I don't know how to please you? There's only a limited number of options here: no war (Nirvana fallacy) no one forced to stay (Ukraine didn't and/or can't take this option) only men forced to stay (unjust) every adult forced to stay (horrific and presumably unnecessary) individual families forced to choose an adult to stay (less unjust) In the end, though, Ukraine probably made the decision they did by thinking about how it would look, particularly when broadcast into the TVs of Russians and the…	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 10:20 PM
1	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. I'm not in charge of Ukraine. They made the decision to only force men to stay. In a perfect world there wouldn't be a war at all, I guess.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 10:03 PM
1	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. Sure. But apparently that's not an option in Ukraine. It's interesting that peoples' mindset changes from one of courage and honour to one of wellbeing as soon as the possibility of women being forced to stay is presented. We've seen the same happen as women have entered various industries. Suddenly everyone's demanding better safety conditions.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 10:01 PM
1	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. I'm not a monster. Families with kids can decide for themselves which parent stays and which goes. Given Ukraine's culture, I expect most families would still choose for the male parent to stay, but that's a matter of cultural change that will take decades, not one of rights.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 09:58 PM
2	A lovely UK advert about Men and Prostate cancer. Worth watching. Many interpret Hamlet (Shakespeare) as employing irony in this passage - that he is actually cynical and negative about human nature. By combining with visuals, the ad is using these words to highlight the positives of men in the world. The inclusion of the "dust" line reminds people of our vulnerability.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 09:53 PM
6	Eating disorders among men on the rise The research is limited, but from what I can tell gay men are still overrepresented in eating disorders and general body image issues. But, the rise in male eating disorders over recent decades affects males across the board. The muscle dysmorphia trend ("bigorexia") and steroid use is strongly associated with pursuits like lifting.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 09:44 PM
0	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. We really haven't come far in terms of equality if most men still feel they're more disposable.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 09:32 PM
1	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. If you want both equality and the ability to conscript or force people to stay (as Ukraine has), then the latter is the only option. Sorry if it's not chivalrous enough for you.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 09:26 PM
1	Why are people still blindly defending feminism in 2022? Hell, even some leftist colleagues of mine are starting to admit it promotes bias and invalidation against mens welfare in society In terms of how generous it is, that depends on the country and region. See, eg. Quebec in Canada. But yes, there's only a few countries in the world where it has been generous enough to bring about even the smallest amount of cultural change, ie. where men see their friends and colleagues taking it, form fathers' groups, etc.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/03/22 09:15 PM
1	A reminder that men in America are 93 % of work place fatalities, start 81% of businesses, receive less college education but still make up 73 % in STEM fields. If they become millionaires half get taken to the cleaners by a wife. Don’t let feminists tell you that we live under the patriarchy. OK, so it can mean a number of different things, got it.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 09:07 PM
7	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. Regardless of what women do, only men are being forced to do it.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 04:00 AM
1	A reminder that men in America are 93 % of work place fatalities, start 81% of businesses, receive less college education but still make up 73 % in STEM fields. If they become millionaires half get taken to the cleaners by a wife. Don’t let feminists tell you that we live under the patriarchy. Can I ask, when did the definition of patriarchy change so that it's only about the "ruling class"? From what I can tell, it has meant men in general having power over women, from the government right down to the household? Fighting the "ruling class" seems more like the job of economic or political revolution.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 03:45 AM
0	A reminder that men in America are 93 % of work place fatalities, start 81% of businesses, receive less college education but still make up 73 % in STEM fields. If they become millionaires half get taken to the cleaners by a wife. Don’t let feminists tell you that we live under the patriarchy. I personally don't think anyone should have to do those jobs. Nirvana fallacy.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 03:28 AM
2	Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality. We need to focus on how much these men are literal heroes and that, sadly, many will die. Have to disagree. Being a "hero" has always been the carrot used to convince boys and men to willingly throw their lives away. Being forced to stay and fight has always been the stick.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 02:53 AM
3	A lovely UK advert about Men and Prostate cancer. Worth watching. "Oh, I know Hamlet. What he said with irony, I say with conviction..." - Jean-Luc Picard	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 01:28 AM
1	i say post about male fragility and wanted to add my opinion to the table Again, appreciate your reply. We've deviated a little from the initial comments. I'm just going to say that our approaches to scripture and salvation are quite different, but I don't want to get into a big discussion about it. I will say that your experience of encountering a feminine spiritual presence during the night echoes some other men I've read and heard. One tended to identify the presence as Mary, which I imagine is common among Catholics.	/r/MensRights	10/03/22 12:17 AM
1	i say post about male fragility and wanted to add my opinion to the table I appreciate your replies. (Fellow Aussie, BTW.) Much of the language and concepts you're using are archetypal and spiritual. While it's fascinating, it's difficult to argue with that in much the same way that it's difficult to argue with a person expounding on their faith. Jung had a concept that places, continents possessed a kind of spiritual template that gradually influenced the worldviews of those living there, including the expression of society and even religion. eg. The North American s…	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 11:34 PM
1	[New research] In the last 35 years, men's attitudes to male victims of female rapists have become more understanding and sympathetic. Women's attitudes to male victims of women have instead gotten much worse. I think this change could be consistent with a Systems view of gender expectations. Start with a legacy system of gender norms, roles and expectations with men expected to behave one way and women another. (Some feminists call this "patriarchy", but I think that term fails to capture the full nature of it.) Now, the expectations within that system have to be policed. I think it can be argued that the system required men to do this more directly, with the writing and enforcing of laws and rules, …	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 11:23 PM
11	[New research] In the last 35 years, men's attitudes to male victims of female rapists have become more understanding and sympathetic. Women's attitudes to male victims of women have instead gotten much worse. Tbh, it's kinda disheartening as a woman to stand up for male victims of rape, only to see multiple men laugh it off, "he probably enjoyed it". The statistics in this post are literally the opposite of your personal anecdote. See Malkor's direct quote in another comment. According to those stats, women are now more likely than men to take the view you've seen men taking.	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 10:55 PM
1	i say post about male fragility and wanted to add my opinion to the table Like I said, you're working with different definitions. If, as you said, "Boldness, bravery or courage are masculine", it might be useful to ask who told you that? Do you believe it just bubbles up from biology? Did you pick it up because that's how you see men (in fiction or in the real world) behaving? Was it a subtle pressure from parental figures since you were a toddler? Or is it a combination of all these? The strict academic definition does not include biology at all. It is purely cultura…	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 10:41 PM
1	i say post about male fragility and wanted to add my opinion to the table Here I go: For those few who actually try to use Toxic Masculinity by its current academic definition, they define masculinity very differently to the way you seem to. From what I can see, you see masculinity as a kind of deep, innate expression or source of maleness / male energy. This is not uncommon among the general public, hence the problem with this term. The academic definition is that masculinity is purely cultural. That is, it is the expectations, roles and pressures placed on men by so…	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 10:28 PM
3	Men’s Rights Activists Are Making the Ukraine Crisis All About Themselves You've explained their technique for smearing a diverse group perfectly. I don't see how your advice can be implemented though, at least on this sort of social media platform. This sub, in particular, has taken a light-on approach to moderation and people who say dumb misogynistic stuff do get downvoted. But that isn't evidence enough. Remember that they only need one bad example to continue using their smearing technique, so even if you had a near-perfect community with most dissenting opinions…	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 10:17 PM
1	i say post about male fragility and wanted to add my opinion to the table Yeah, I think you guys are working with completely different definitions of terms like masculinity and femininity. That is, of course, one of many things that makes Toxic Masculinity a bad term.	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 09:59 PM
2	We should be pressing feminists on the male issues they claim to address. I'm a man who left the teaching profession (high school) after over a decade because of the conditions and stress of the job, not the pay. Pretty much all of that stress came from additional responsibilities that had nothing to do with delivering educational content. In my current job, I am actually paid less but much happier. The problem is that being a teacher ends up being a lifestyle, not a job. Some teachers make it work by setting firm boundaries, but that's very difficult if you're someon…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 09:45 PM
3	Why are people still blindly defending feminism in 2022? Hell, even some leftist colleagues of mine are starting to admit it promotes bias and invalidation against mens welfare in society Absolutely, and what you've just said is perfectly consistent with my point - that even when we see support for a policy that would benefit men in some way, other evidence tells us that it's not being done with men in mind.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 09:26 PM
1	Why are people still blindly defending feminism in 2022? Hell, even some leftist colleagues of mine are starting to admit it promotes bias and invalidation against mens welfare in society I wouldn't judge if a man wanted to refer to himself by that term. I would rather someone not use it for me if I were in that life situation. I agree about the broken system. Ultimately, I see households moving back to being hybrid places of both productivity and rest: homesteads. Also, the gradual return of multi-generational and multi-family households.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 07:42 AM
3	Why are people still blindly defending feminism in 2022? Hell, even some leftist colleagues of mine are starting to admit it promotes bias and invalidation against mens welfare in society house husbands Not loving that term.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 05:21 AM
0	Why are people still blindly defending feminism in 2022? Hell, even some leftist colleagues of mine are starting to admit it promotes bias and invalidation against mens welfare in society Perhaps you can help by providing some examples of feminists organisations recognising men's issues ? These have been talked about many times here. One area where feminists may be helping men is in pushing for better paternity leave. Even here, though, we typically see a rationale that centres women - better for their careers and to reduce the lifetime earnings gap. As I stated, feminist approaches to men's issues usually fail to centre men, and their concepts and vocabulary (eg. patriarchy, tox…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 04:28 AM
7	The prominence of the term "male fragility" shows the double standard it carries. It's actually worse than toxic masculinity. TM is a disaster of a term, but at least if you already view "masculinity" as referring to gender expectations, not maleness, you might be able to interpret it usefully. Male fragility just directly labels males as fragile. In this sense, it's no different to completely discredited terms like manflu or manspreading, but with a more academic ring. To top it off, it actually perpetuates male gender expectations since being strong and not fragile is a cla…	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 04:02 AM
1	Why are people still blindly defending feminism in 2022? Hell, even some leftist colleagues of mine are starting to admit it promotes bias and invalidation against mens welfare in society I don't believe it is possible to advocate for equality and feminism at the same time I didn't argue that we need to advocate for feminism. Criticism is warranted in many cases.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 03:20 AM
4	Men’s Rights Activists Are Making the Ukraine Crisis All About Themselves I'm no expert on socio-political strategy, but this (now, not 2011) just seems like such a poor one and misjudges the wider public mindset. In the decade since 2011, he clearly hasn't learned that male advocates are diverse - especially politically - and that the lines between self-identifying MRAs and other male advocates are increasingly blurred. You don't have to spend long on this sub and others (eg. LWMA) to see that. If Flood thinks that the same strategy of blanket discrediting today's MR…	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 03:16 AM
-5	Why are people still blindly defending feminism in 2022? Hell, even some leftist colleagues of mine are starting to admit it promotes bias and invalidation against mens welfare in society Thanks for calling out the echo chamber, though I think that's an in-built consequence of Reddit and of most social media, regardless of the issue in question. For me, feminism is a mixed bag. It's clearly struggling to stride a gap - taking beloved old concepts and vocabulary that were first developed for pushing women's equality (and which are undoubtably still useful in parts of the world) and trying to make them relevant and useful in tackling men's issues, instead of throwing them out and r…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/03/22 01:19 AM
8	Men’s Rights Activists Are Making the Ukraine Crisis All About Themselves Yes, the cited comments and posts were cherrypicked very selectively. The myth that tradcons and MRAs are one and the same group continues to be spread, almost like they want male advocacy to be infiltrated and taken over by the right...	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 12:38 AM
23	Men’s Rights Activists Are Making the Ukraine Crisis All About Themselves Damn that magazine is harmful to men. So sad that a publication that claims to be about and for men would take such a one-sided approach, painting with such a broad brush the motivation of men's advocates / MRAs. From what I can see, very few posts or commenters are blaming feminism for this draft, as stated in the subheadline. What they are doing is calling out hypocrisy. For all our apparent progress in gender equality, the truth is that men are still more disposable. I don't care if that's be…	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 12:33 AM
30	Ukrainian border guards arresting draft-eligible men trying to flee and congratulating them with the international women's day Modern day white feather. Holy shit, yes. The irony is palpable.	/r/MensRights	09/03/22 12:10 AM
1	Honest question (not trying to rile up anything) This makes no logical sense. If men are overrepresented in suicide (up to 4 times in most developed countries), the common factor is their gender. If men are the selective target of military draft, the common factor is their gender. If men are far more likely to die than women from preventable causes before the age of 65, the common factor is their gender. If boys and men are doing more poorly in education than girls and women while race and income factors are held constant, then the common fact…	/r/MensRights	08/03/22 11:57 PM
2	Ukrainian border guards arresting draft-eligible men trying to flee and congratulating them with the international women's day There's no time for luxury beliefs of feminism Let's be consistent then. I'm willing to wait until after the war to see if, since men have been forced back into their "firmware" to be protectors, that women will be forced back into theirs, ie. to be breeding machines.	/r/MensRights	08/03/22 11:43 PM
1	What are your personal examples of internalized misandry? I understand. I have been tempted to "play their game" and use a term like internalised misandry in the way I mentioned, but I agree that to do so would not be consistent with an honest and genuine approach to language.	/r/MensRights	08/03/22 11:20 PM
1	I'm doing an assessment on Female on male domestic violence and my teacher accused me of female-bashing and tried to invalidate my points by saying women suffer from domestic violence. She is now very hostile towards me and I feel I won't get a fair grade. This is an Australian high school, not university level.	/r/MensRights	08/03/22 09:21 PM
2	What are your personal examples of internalized misandry? I'm not sure why you'd think I disagree with anything you wrote. It's no surprise to me that TM was popularised while TF was not, that instead feminists broadened the meaning of internalised misogyny as they did. But that damage is already done. (BTW, the use of 's' instead of 'z' is correct British/Australian English.)	/r/MensRights	08/03/22 08:40 PM
71	This is how Burger King India wished for women’s day I'm not sure that I care what motivated this (besides profit of course). It is drawing attention to IMD - good flipping the script on "but every day is IMD" - also good	/r/MensRights	08/03/22 05:40 AM
1	I honestly feel like male spaces no longer exist anymore I appreciate that you replied. I actually do worship at a church that is gay-affirming and takes a nuanced view on that issue, while still avoiding the problem of being wishy-washy about faith overall. It does care if I wrestle with demons and does not, as far as I know, want me to be a woman in a man's body. (However, I totally agree that many churches have a problem with being too "feminine" in the traditional sense and not a place that men want to be - that's a fascinating topic.) You're prob…	/r/MensRights	08/03/22 03:03 AM
6	Gay MaleAdvocates Because of where you are geopolitically, you're experiencing a pressure and dissonance that men like myself in further-flung parts of the developed world haven't had to (yet). I have been reflecting on this too, even though I live on the opposite side of the world. I think you're right that it has a lot to do with individualism vs collectivism. I think there's truth to the view that Ukraine didn't order their men to stay because they thought "we hate men", but because, culturally, they still ret…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	08/03/22 02:22 AM
1	What are your personal examples of internalized misandry? I think it may also depend on how you define "internalised misandry". I'd say you've taken a very literal definition - hatred of men. However, you could also assume a defintion that is the male equivalent of internalised misogyny, which - despite the vocab - is not widely defined as literal hatred of women but something more akin to an internalising of gendered expectations or roles in the context of an oppressive system.	/r/MensRights	07/03/22 11:35 PM
5	So International Women's Day's Tomorrow... I think this is a misunderstanding, regardless of whether you think IWD or IMD are necessary. IWD celebrates women as a gender. The rest of the year does not celebrate men as a gender.	/r/MensRights	07/03/22 11:18 PM
35	So International Women's Day's Tomorrow... The two days have taken on very different foci. From what I've seen, today's media coverage of IWD is typically about celebrating the achievements of women, pointing to lack of recognition of women in various fields, or to things like the lifetime earnings gap. IMD was originally intended as a celebration of men and raising awareness of issues affecting them. At first, it was laughed at by mainstream media and feminists - you know, "every day is IMD". Then it was dismissed or derided. Over the l…	/r/MensRights	07/03/22 10:52 PM
1	"Men’s health needs to start in the workplace. The problem isn’t about men’s lack of interest, it’s about them having access to the right health support, at the right time, expressed in the right way." This is actually a decent article. Men do need health care, especially mental health care, that is tailored to them. The article cites some ways that this can be done, obviously not a complete solution. We're still in early stages of this work and some of the ideas mentioned are a bit cringe to me. I'm not buying the cited stat that two-thirds of employers offer support in the workspace specifically for men. That seems completely detached from reality. Importantly, this piece shows you can say a…	/r/MensRights	07/03/22 09:49 PM
1	I honestly feel like male spaces no longer exist anymore I'm glad you've found a place that you enjoy belonging to. The following is in no way written to dismiss your experience. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how Christian I am, how masculine I am, how pro-male I am, I would never be able to have the same experience at a church like that, simply because the person I spend my life with is also a man. That's why those "churches with big rainbow flags" exist - and, though it may seem otherwise to you, they remain a tiny minority of churches in the US …	/r/MensRights	07/03/22 09:12 PM