ContrarianZ Archive

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–	If you’re unhappy with the state of western women why not travel or move to another country and date the women there? A law professor at the University of South Carolina, Marcia Zug, wrote a convincing paper on how mail-order brides were a net benefit to everyone (feminists included): https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1397&context=wmjowl She admitted before doing her research that she anticipated the practice to be harmful to women and western ideals, but the results ultimately showed differently. Traveling and dating abroad is a bit different from mail-order marriage, but a lot of the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/22 08:57 AM
1	What are some warning signs that a potential or current partner is settling for you and was never sincerely attracted to you? Appreciated. People with shitty pasts are probably much more likely to end up in this situation, but I think it can still happen to anyone	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/19 06:36 PM
2	What are some warning signs that a potential or current partner is settling for you and was never sincerely attracted to you? There are whole threads on Reddit of people admitting to this. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/awf6xu/women_who_datedmarried_a_man_you_settled_for_why/ I mean, even without evidence, do you really think this sort of thing has never happened in the West?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/19 05:52 PM
2	What are some warning signs that a potential or current partner is settling for you and was never sincerely attracted to you? The all or nothing mentality of love fades very quickly when someone come face to face with the idea of ending up alone forever, especially if they've never been alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/19 05:43 AM
4	The Not-So-Great Reason Divorce Rates Are Declining Imagine the pain and cost of 4 actual divorces	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/19 05:22 AM
28	The Not-So-Great Reason Divorce Rates Are Declining Cohabitation is on the rise though. I don't think the desire to be in relationships have changed that much, just a lot of people, especially lower income ones, not seeing the justification on spending so much on a ring/license/ceremony for something that can easily be nullified in a month or two. Just moving in is so much easier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/19 10:06 PM
7	Women actually love red-pilled lyrics. Honestly I think a lot if not most of these rap / hip hop artists perpetuating this kind of disturbing music are just putting on an act to sell records. Half of them never even lived near a bad neighborhood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/19 07:08 AM
1	Why do women constantly complain about “unrealistic” beauty standards? Men in woman's clothes make a fuss. Woman in man's clothes is just wearing clothes. Since male is seen as default, then wearing female clothes is adding on — adding makeup, jewelry, stockings, heels. It's always decorative, while male is stripped of all decorations. The court case is not even close. There is no push for men to wear man's clothes because it's the default. Similarly, you could say someone was fired because they wore punk clothes. That would be the same as this case with a guy wear…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/19 06:28 AM
1	Why do women constantly complain about “unrealistic” beauty standards? Well, clearly men wearing dresses are going to be discriminated against. But that's not my point. Well you said that men have never faced something similar to the Ann Hopkins Case, and this case is literally the closest thing to the male version of discrimination happening. I was just providing evidence against that claim. The bar for men is to dress up in a suit, that's it. The bar for women is much much higher. I mean, you talk as though a suit is no big deal, something you can slap together i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/19 03:05 AM
3	Men don't like feminine women, they like feminine LOOKING women with "masculine" energy little to none social influence. But how can you say these careers have little to no social influence when they are social service type careers. Maybe "social influence" isn't the right word here because IT and engineering are very low socially influence careers. Doctors though, yes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/19 02:03 AM
4	As you get older, does the importance women place on mens looks decrease? Most people become less shallow as they age. But I don't think the importance of looks (in relation to sexual attraction) changes much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/19 01:17 AM
1	Why do women constantly complain about “unrealistic” beauty standards? Men are all literally same — regular guys wearing suits. There is really not much pressure. Lot’s of studies show taller and more masculine men earn more and are more likely to have successful careers. Sorry but trans and gay men are a totally different issue. They are clearly discriminated against, and I'd say more than white women. Especially transgender people are most discriminated today. However, they don't fit the category I was talking about. Oh please please look more into the paper I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/19 01:07 AM
1	Why do women constantly complain about “unrealistic” beauty standards? Looks help men, but they aren't as necessary. problem is that women must look good to be respected throughout their entire lives, not just in dating. Good but not "too good". Men don't need that. Sure it helps in dating, and sometimes at work, but it's not as necessary and there is certainly no social pressure. It sounds like what you are trying to say is that looks are just a tiny cherry bonus for men while a woman who is conventionally unattractive has zero chance of making it in the world… I’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/19 11:35 PM
1	Why do women constantly complain about “unrealistic” beauty standards? I am half agreeing with you. Looks do still matter for men, you absolutely can’t get by with only charisma and talent. It’s just that for women, beauty matter a little more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/19 09:49 PM
1	Why do women constantly complain about “unrealistic” beauty standards? I don't think anyone would disagree that men have LESS pressure to look attractive than women, but there is still a minimum threshold. Someone like Danny DeVito, or Matt Lucas is never going to be swooning over a majority of women no matter how charming or talented they are. I’d also argue that there is less pressure because there is the expectation of men to compensate with charm and charisma or money. The pressure to be attractive is still there, it’s just not 100% looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/19 09:28 PM
2	Obsession with blame and fault is counter-productive for both redpill and bluepill I think the notion of blame relates a lot to whether the culture is predominantly individualist or collectivist. Individualist cultures give everyone agency, and so the blame is entirely on the individual's shoulder. Basically no-one owes you anything because you don't owe anyone else anything. Collectivists cultures are the opposite. Because everyone is bound by strict rules and responsibilities, it is society who shoulder's the blame for everything. Either for not enforcing the rules correctly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/19 03:12 AM
2	36 and single. I want to marry someday but not to a man who is divorced or has kids Yeah that's possible. But it's also possible that she was perfect as a girlfriend but then blew up as a wife. Not every bomb has a timer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/18 05:30 AM
3	36 and single. I want to marry someday but not to a man who is divorced or has kids What if she divorced him and he was the one against it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/18 05:22 AM
2	CMV: The desperate hamstering in this /r/funny thread suggests that there's more redpill brainwashing in modern society, than blue. Not really a red pill thing. People are always shocked when the fat guy lands a hottie. That being said, people on reddit are not really a good selective representation of people in modern society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/17 05:13 PM
6	Women's PHYSICAL Weakness compared to men actually Creates a strong MENTAL Weakness. What I'm considering is that this notable difference in physical strength actually creates a mental difference due to a constant layer of stress. While men are more tribal, women are more herd-like in their decision making, heavily policing, shaming, and ostracizing any dissent. Assuming you were right, which I don't think you are, why would you consider this difference in mentality a weakness? Should any deviation from the male way of thinking automatically be considered a weakness?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/17 05:00 AM
2	Q4RP: CAN monogamy work? That's interesting. They probably presented it that way because they thought it would be best for you. Can't argue this is right or wrong since there isn't a lot of research out there concerning the welfare of polyamory kids. I personally think it could work just as good or even better as long as both parents are amicable with each other. My only concern would be if too many partners are moving in and out of the children's lives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/17 09:41 PM
1	Q4RP: CAN monogamy work? My parents hid it from us kids until we were adults. I know this is a hindsight question, but do you think the appearance of a monogamous relationship is necessary? I.e. do you think you would have felt differently if you had grown up watching your parents with other people?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/17 07:02 PM
1	NSFW Q4All: Are masculine/alpha men sexually open-minded? Conventional masculinity defines that men are in the dominant position within the relationship. I think the more masculine a guy is, the less likely he will be open to submissive type sexual roles. For any other type of sex role, his chance of being open to it would be the same as any other man. That being said, it is noteworthy to mention that many people have a completely different role preference sexually than they do in real life. A lot women have very dominant personalities in the workplace…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/17 05:59 PM
1	Are masculine societies really more desirable than feminized societies? This works out if there is a stable reproduction rate with a stable economic production rate by the next generation. If that's not happening, you may end up burdening the next generation with more and more taxes until it's more than they can handle and the system collapses.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/17 11:27 PM
1	billy beta orbiter and the married woman He looks creepy and acts creepy. He needs to fix that. Perhaps in his culture it is acceptable or even customary to show affection to random strangers by passing them notes and buying them gifts.. in America that's seen as creepy. His appearance is very important, and until he fixes that first, there is not much he can do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/17 08:20 PM
1	Are masculine societies really more desirable than feminized societies? The major downside of feminist societies is decreased fertility. they don't tend to grow organically, but rather maintain a replacement rate of reproduction. I think a lot of feminist countries are well below replacement rate. This probably has to do more with economic wealth than anything. People with wealth tend to see children as a burden rather than an investment. At the same time, women in feminist countries tend to work less and choose jobs that traditionally pay less, ultimately leading t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/17 08:02 PM
2	How is the OkC study that proves women find 80% of men unattractive totally infallible, but the OkC study that shows women prefer men their own age isn't? 2 means 80% of women are attracted to about 20% of men they meet, but those men vary between women (more men than only the "top 20%" have women attracted to them). This makes sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/17 04:26 PM
1	How is the OkC study that proves women find 80% of men unattractive totally infallible, but the OkC study that shows women prefer men their own age isn't? In my mind, if women (collectively) are attracted to 20% of the male population then those 20% of men can be regarded as "the same" top 20% of men regardless if every women was attracted to each one or not. If you consider each women individually having this 20% preference (but not necessarily the same one), I can see where OP is coming from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/17 04:22 PM
0	How is the OkC study that proves women find 80% of men unattractive totally infallible, but the OkC study that shows women prefer men their own age isn't? If you really think about it, 1 & 2 are the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/17 05:34 AM
2	CMV: Despite what the Red Pill says, most women are not psychologically bound to 'bad boys' who apply 'dread game', but they may feel bound to a genuinely good man. In Africa, women are expected to be very fat to be seen as beautiful. uhhh.. what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/17 09:07 AM
1	For those who believe marriage is a bad deal: What would have to change culturally/legally to change your opinion? No, unless it was done intentionally to hurt the other I wouldn't necessarily consider it abuse. Needless to say though, cheating, or any other vow breaking actions usually put the marriage in an unrecoverable state. If all the trust is gone and there is only spite and resentment left to foster, the family might be better off in a split.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/17 09:37 AM
4	For those who believe marriage is a bad deal: What would have to change culturally/legally to change your opinion? The way I see it, in a marriage you give up looking after you own needs and feelings in favor up the needs of your family. Imagine if a guy's partner were to lose a limb, or get cancer, and he decides "Well, this is no fun anymore, time to bail", he would be severely stigmatized by society. I really don't see how this is different from bailing out because you're feelings have changed. The whole point of a marriage is to guarantee you'll have someone by your side "for better or for worse". The on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/17 10:22 PM
2	CMV: Given that women are deemed the owners of unborn babies and have full control over their reproductive health, they bare 100% of the responsibility for pregnancy. Sure it can be during or even before the pregnancy. It would work just like a surrogacy contract. This is the fairest solution.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/17 08:10 AM
16	CMV: Given that women are deemed the owners of unborn babies and have full control over their reproductive health, they bare 100% of the responsibility for pregnancy. The father should never officially be considered "in". I'm going to have to agree. Unless he signs a document acknowledging paternity, he should not automatically be held liable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/17 07:56 AM
1	[Discussion] Do you agree that high partner count is an entirely male preoccupation which women don't care about if raised in a non-patriarchal, sex-positive, feminist environment? If you found the perfect girl who you knew was super into you and shared almost all the same philosophies as you, but the only thing was she had a high N-count, would you pass that up for someone who had a similar N-count but didn't really click well with you? Personally, I would find #3 the easiest to get over, but obviously everyone is different. If you regret the past that much it probably wouldn't be easy to have a reminder staring you in the face every day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/17 06:01 AM
1	What sort of personality do women find attractive? lly, ask a vague question, get vague answers. As Atlas pointed out, the type of personality a particular woman is attracted to depends heavily on her own personality. Scientists very often gather useful information by asking vague question in surveys like "What sort of TV shows do you like?". Vague answers are still answers. As Atlas also pointed out: the vast hump of women are xSFx though, so that helps I would consider that useful information.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/17 10:58 PM
7	[Discussion] Do you agree that high partner count is an entirely male preoccupation which women don't care about if raised in a non-patriarchal, sex-positive, feminist environment? Women are not wired to care about their own partner count. Why do people think preference for low N-count is a male only thing? There a lot of women, some on this board, that express a clear preference for low N-count men. The reasons are clear and have little to do with paternity. Difference in sexual philosophy. People who have and want a low n-count person view sex as something very personal and intimate and believe high n-count people are less capable of seeing it that way. Insecurity. Fear …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/17 10:48 PM
5	What sort of personality do women find attractive? A scientist once said- "Looks like everyone is different. We expected every person to give the exact same results. I guess there's no point in looking at any potential trends or patterns."	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/17 10:31 PM
1	There's more attractive women than attractive men. No data on this, but it's obvious. I saw it. She doesn't look hot, she looks pretty average. If it wasn't for the male hairstyle she wouldn't look all that masculine. Either way I don't think she would look better with makeup. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-2309598-19508D19000005DC-579_306x553.jpg	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/17 07:01 AM
1	There's more attractive women than attractive men. No data on this, but it's obvious. Nah I'm going to have to agree with /u/80_20 here. There seems to be a big disconnect in what men find attractive and what women see as attractive on themselves. I think most women look fine not being dolled up. Like in this article. I would say 18 of those women look better without, 5 look about the same, and 4 look better with. And this is supposed to be some of the best transformations. There isn't much criticism from men when it comes to female looks, usually because it's met with a lot of h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/17 05:39 AM
3	Q2men: what pc of non overweight women in the age range of 30-40 do you find attractive enough for sex? You've revealed your true from. I shall call upon Perseus to smite thee.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/17 12:05 AM
2	CMV: For Many Low-Value Men TRP/The Manosphere Is Too Little, Too Late... If Not Counter-Productive This is where the Manosphere really can’t do very much. In fact, usually it hurts members. You trade in naiveté for rampant paranoia, anger, bitterness and potential misogyny. I think you are very mistaken here. Men who have bad luck with women are just as angry and bitter as the men in the manosphere, they just don't know why. After a while, their unfounded bitterness will cause other problems. At least in the manosphere they have a direction to move in. I find the idea that you can become char…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/17 09:57 AM
0	CMV: Men Are Not Exclusively the Gatekeepers of Relationships A better way to put it: Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships, after sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/17 05:07 AM
3	Is the appraisal of womens' attractiveness directly or inversely related to a man's options IRL? Do men rate women in good faith? Most the negative appraisals you see on the web are merely part of internet culture. People tend to say more extreme things here because they are anonymous (or at least they think they are). Men actually do negatively appraise women all the time. It is done only in the company of close friends, and usually when a women is not present. Also I disagree with the idea that average men who do this are "representing their available options in an exaggerated way". Attraction is pretty homogeneous. The …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/17 08:30 AM
1	A different look at the preference for younger women. Even if he's religious and wanting to wait until marriage I wouldn't consider that being voluntarily celibate unless he explicitly decided not looking for a wife or partner until later. A guy like this is rare, and chances are, he has a very low libido.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/17 07:46 AM
4	CMV/CHALLENGE: men who claim that constant attention paid to females by unsuitable men is an "advantage" should all go to a gay bath house or "judy garland park" tonight and put their money where their mouth is At some point it all reaches an equilibrium. The number of men who opt out will correspond directly with the drop in expectations of men. Unfortunately, a lot of lonely old people will be made before that happens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/17 06:41 AM
1	Non-RPers - are there any issues you have seen the other side of, softened on, or become more sympathetic to, since reading subs like this? I respect their right to reject me for whatever reason, since I want my right to reject people for whatever reason respected, too. Even if you think their reason superficial, it might matter to them or me. I completely support free will and equal opportunity. That being said, if people are making choices that are generally causing negative trends in social stability and overall happiness (of both men and women) don't you think society has an obligation to discourage such behaviors? E.g. hooking …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/17 08:05 AM
1	Women do not really have the advantage in dating You can argue it's why many marriages end in divorce. Women end up with low self esteem then they marry men below their league because they think they don't deserve better AKA settling. I'd like to know if such a woman actually takes the initiative to go after the men she wants. Then losers online complain of women "divorce raping" men. Little do they know, the losers started the whole thing to begin with I think being unhappy about losing your family and your finances is a little more concernin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/17 07:48 AM
1	Women do not really have the advantage in dating Do you honestly think there is some sort of huge trend going on? Women losing their self esteem due to loser men negging them? If a woman is attractive and generally nice, she can probably do better than some idiot who says hurtful things to her. Trust me when I say attractive women know their self worth. I doubt her self esteem is going to get crushed by one random dude if she's getting hit on daily. Also please clarify, when you say "do better" do you mean in terms of looks, or personality? Is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/17 06:24 AM
1	Non-RPers - are there any issues you have seen the other side of, softened on, or become more sympathetic to, since reading subs like this? You'll have to take it out with your fellow redpillers then While I agree with some of their points I wouldn't consider them my "fellow redpillers". I'm very open minded and don't really care for labels. Whatever side you are on, as long as you can make a rational argument with supporting evidence, I'm all for being convinced. Many of the angry frustrated redpillers post illogical misogynistic crap not worth reading, but this mirrors the same kind of crap super radical feminists often post. If s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/17 08:15 AM
3	Thoughts on the Women's March Having a Convicted Torturer/Murderer as a Guest Speaker? That's a pretty shitty/insensitive thing for an activist to say. I doubt he'd have that tone at the Sandusky trial, where men had been raped.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/17 09:56 AM
2	Thoughts on the Women's March Having a Convicted Torturer/Murderer as a Guest Speaker? You can share it with all the starving homeless people of the world. Stand outside your balcony and shout "Let them eat cake".	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/17 09:16 AM
1	Non-RPers - are there any issues you have seen the other side of, softened on, or become more sympathetic to, since reading subs like this? I'm pretty sure I've read tons of posts where redpillers state putting yourself first and setting boundaries for what you want/you don't want is what you should do in order for your relationship to work. I agree; that's why I set my own boundaries. See if anything, this is one of the things I don't agree with. If you are only casually dating or FWB, then yeah, this makes sense. But if you are in a marriage or a serious relationship, you should stop thinking about "what's good for me" and start t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/17 07:00 AM
2	To those who respect/support men for going their own way, rejecting relationships, traditional father/provider role, do you extend the same respect to women who act similarly? Why/why not? No but there is a definite trend in who's endangered.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/17 11:00 AM
6	To those who respect/support men for going their own way, rejecting relationships, traditional father/provider role, do you extend the same respect to women who act similarly? Why/why not? When men and women go their way, society goes a-way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/17 06:46 AM
1	Non-RPers - are there any issues you have seen the other side of, softened on, or become more sympathetic to, since reading subs like this? No it's really not. Terpers advise against marriage because they want to avoid financial responsibility, yet they want a live together girlfriend who acts as a wife except without the financial responsibility. Many RPers expect things like their girlfriends should give them sex on demand, do all the housework and prefer a stay at home wife, but are against alimony. They are against marriage because of divorce, alimony and family court biases. Most of them still expect to fill the conservative ro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/17 06:37 AM
1	Non-RPers - are there any issues you have seen the other side of, softened on, or become more sympathetic to, since reading subs like this? And again what the fuck is "putting women on a pedestal and becoming a doormat"? Is it respecting what legit thing a woman wants and not being abusive to her? Oh come on, stop playing dumb. You know what I mean when I say doormat, in case you really don't, here's an example. Yeah, that's why organized religion has always been oppressing women for wanting to freely express their desires too No religion was always designed to do what they thought was best for society. Imagine you were a village ch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/17 05:43 AM
3	Non-RPers - are there any issues you have seen the other side of, softened on, or become more sympathetic to, since reading subs like this? Why the fuck do terpers believe that doing nice things for a woman makes you seem desperate? "doing nice things for a woman" is an oversimplification of the issue. Putting women on a pedestal and becoming a doormat is unattractive to most women. This is what most "terpers" advise against. Also, your argument about religion. No, it is not useful for a person or society. It only leads to unfair oppression and injustice, just like terp shit. Religion exists to stabilize and control society, not opp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/17 08:51 AM
6	TRP, the manosphere, and guys striving to become Chads and Alpha Fucks is the natural result of women's lib and undermining traditional male roles. dumb chad sounds pretty low value for anything but ONS or maybe FWB, honestly. That's the thing... Chad only wants ONS or FWB, doesn't that make it a win win for him? can't say i'm sad about the departure or decision not to pursue relationships of anyone who truly believes women having more choice is destroying society, though. Who's leaving? I don't think women having more choice is destroying society. People having more choice, and making the wrong choices are what's destroying society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/17 06:41 AM
2	Q4RP -- what advice would you give a female virgin? Well 1 and 3 seem pretty contradictory... If only there were an endless supply of virgins willing to have sex quickly in a relationship... If you find a guy you like, you're sexually attracted to him, have nothing against casual/premarital sex, have a high confidence he's not using you, then have sex with him. You're welcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/17 04:34 AM
3	Is dating more difficult for men or for women? It's not extreme at all to potentially lose one's job. It happens all the time, even to decent employees (layoffs). The extreme I'm referring to is "not being able to keep a roof over their heads" (Incel). I'd argue that overall, the rate at which employers have layoffs is very close if not equal to the rate at which employees leave for a new job, or just quit. If they truly are the best employer, there's not going to be another company who A) will spend the money to poach from them and B) will …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/17 08:19 AM
3	You guys are asking the wrong question about "Stacy's" and why sluts are not desirable. If it came out that Chad was secretly a virgin, it'd ruin him. If it came out that Stacy was a virgin, desirable men who didn't look at her before would now come running. Chad is not at all going to be ruined by his exposed virginity unless he acts like a stereotypical virgin (at which point you might argue he is not really a Chad). Stacy probably would gain some ground from an exposed virginity, but it probably isn't going to change her predicament by very much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/17 07:55 AM
7	Is dating more difficult for men or for women? 99% of employees aren't going to be an existential threat to even a small business. A realistic downside is that they're an ongoing headache until you fire them, and then they bitch and moan about that for another few weeks before moving on. I'd say that's comparable to women's risk in dating. 99% of men aren't going to be rapists or murderers or crazy psycho stalkers, and a realistic downside is him being a shitty partner until he's dumped The rapist, murderer is more comparable to an employee …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/17 07:26 AM
15	Why is having standards seen as a bad thing? Nothing wrong with standards, as long as they are realistic and attainable. Otherwise, you're shooting yourself in the foot. A good rule is to not expect something you yourself cannot provide or compensate for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/17 06:38 AM
2	So we gon act like y'all don't like Stacies? (Part 2) You have to consider the fact that men are known to inflate their numbers while women deflate theirs. This study is a pretty clear example of that. Also, most studies don't consider the level of attractiveness of each partner between the encounters. I do think it's unbalanced to some degree, but definitely not as extreme as the "80/20" rule frequently stated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/17 06:27 AM
22	Is dating more difficult for men or for women? I think a better analogy would be finding a job vs finding the right job candidate. Sure, almost every employer can find someone to fill the position, but they risk a lot if they hire the wrong person. The typical job candidate has a much harder time finding a job, but he has much less to lose once he's hired.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/17 06:24 AM
1	Red Pill has a fundamental misunderstanding of the Sexual Marketplace I'd imagine a system were marriages or cohabitations receive more tax deductions and benefits the longer they last while divorce, separations, breakups, children outside a relationship, get the opposite. Personal freedoms are subjective and always come with responsibilities and or restrictions. I may have the right to own land, but I still have to pay property taxes, and I can't just build whatever I want on that land.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/17 04:03 AM
1	Red Pill has a fundamental misunderstanding of the Sexual Marketplace A society that rewards committed LTRs / marriages and penalizes players and gold diggers could be a start.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/17 06:33 PM
1	Red Pill has a fundamental misunderstanding of the Sexual Marketplace Well I don't see too many challenges here, probably because your ideas already align so well with RP philosophy. To offer a different perspective, capitalism/free market is not a fool proof system, it has major drawbacks. Most free markets you see today (USA, EU, etc..) are not true free markets, they have tons of regulation and safety nets. A true free market (china probably being the closest example) is riddled with fraud, corruption, extortion, monopolies etc... If / when the SMP becomes like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/17 08:49 AM
2	CMV: A woman's high n-count has at least 5% relevancy to her fitness for a relationship. With just the information given, both of these women have a high chance of being unstable, but the 1-man woman would be a better choice. Like I said before, you can't measure this directly, her ex might be an honest man telling you the truth about her nature, or he could just be bitter and projecting his insecurities. Even if she was that way with him, she might be a different way with you since she has only been with one type of guy. The 100-man woman has had much more experience and odds are s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/17 04:20 PM
2	Can Successful Women Can Solve AF BB Issue? No. There are two issues here. "Alpha" Men (both physically and mentally) are more likely to cheat or leave their partners. There is a much higher chance the LTR will fail. Even if 1. weren't true, there is a much greater demand for these guys then there is supply. The losers of the auction will either have to take a courtesy gift, or go home empty handed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/17 07:44 AM
5	CMV: A woman's high n-count has at least 5% relevancy to her fitness for a relationship. I agree that N-count without context holds less value, but you'd be hard pressed to tell me that a woman who has been with 1 guy has a similar probability of being unstable as a woman whose been with 100. There's no thermometer you can use to directly measure how selfish, manipulative, or emotional unstable someone is, you have to use the clues that surround them. Previous relationships / sexual encounters is one of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/17 07:32 AM
0	Q4RP: why is your chance at sex more important than the wellbeing others? Randomly groping women is probably the least effective sexual strategy and an easy way to get kicked out of a bar, or land yourself in jail. On the other hand, subtlety using your hands on her body while carefully reading her body language can be a very effective strategy. Problem is, many guys who aim to do B inadvertently end up doing A.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/17 06:13 AM
2	[Q4RP] How do transgender people factor into your view? Challenging social expectations seems like the more logical thing to do, but social expectations is an immensely powerful force and it takes a very strong will to fight it. A lot of times people would rather just take the easy route and change their superficial features.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/17 02:54 AM
2	[Q4RP] How do transgender people factor into your view? Wanting to be tall doesn't make me tall, and elevator shoes would only make me look tall. Let's take it one step further. Let's say a short guy aspiring to become a basketball player decides to get limb extension surgery to increase his height by 6 inches. Would you consider this to be a tall person? What about a tall man who loses his feet, develops scoliosis as well as severe degenerative disc disease and is now 10-20 inches shorter than he used to be. Would you consider this man to be tall? W…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/17 06:26 AM
1	What views do we have a near-consensus on in PPD, which would be controversial in r/TRP or r/TBP? She doesn't have to try very hard. It's not like winning a lottery. You can try this yourself by creating a fake tinder profile as an obese woman. You'll likely find an athletic guy willing to have sex with you by the end of the night. (Other people have tried this.) No I think you misread. I said a 2 guy with a 10 girl. I don't think an average guy (5) is going to have much luck on tinder on most nights with female 5s. He can generally get female 5s by setting up dates and paying for dinner, et…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/17 05:03 AM
1	[Q4RP] How do transgender people factor into your view? How do we describe a gender identity in the same way? It's the gender that produces the most positive feelings when you encounter it? No, that sounds more like sexual/romantic orientation. It's the gender that produces the most positive feelings when you think about being it? That sounds better, but again it's hard to distinguish "I wish I was the other gender" and "inside, I really am the other gender". Whether you are something or just wishing to be something is a matter of perspective. It's l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/17 10:13 AM
3	Why would a high N-count woman want a low N-count man anyway? I think women are more likely to be ambivalent about a man's low n-count because it's not a very reliable predictor of sexual compatibility for men. A high n-count obviously speaks for itself, but a low doesn't necessarily mean the guy has conservative sex values. Since men typically chase women, a low n-count man could just indicate hes not as aggressive or ambitious as his peers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/17 06:41 AM
1	What views do we have a near-consensus on in PPD, which would be controversial in r/TRP or r/TBP? Sure if she keeps at it, it's possible, sure. Technically if a 2 guy keeps trying, he might get pity sex from a 10 female. His chances are probably similar to winning the lottery, but the chance is still there. The rule is dealing with averages though, and it implies that the average guy (5), or even the above average guy (6-7) is not going to do better that a 2 most of the time. Those numbers are way off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/17 06:21 AM
2	Discussion: Using N-Count to Avoid ''Crazy'' I think the type of "Crazy" guys are more concerned about is the emotionally unstable, manipulative, unpredictable type crazy that manifests as a result of too many unstable relationships / ONS. Most people probably aren't too thrilled with the ADD type crazy either, but I doubt it has any correlation to n-count.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/17 11:06 AM
14	What views do we have a near-consensus on in PPD, which would be controversial in r/TRP or r/TBP? The 80/20 rules is terribly over exaggerated. You'd have to ask yourself why an 8 guy would even consider 2 if he could get a 4 or 5 with little to no effort. Men have standards too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/17 10:54 AM
1	Subbed here a few weeks ago, and have already seen incredible improvements. SO grateful to have found this! Oh wow, I never knew such miserable people existed. Quite an eye opener.	/r/RedPillWomen	30/12/16 11:31 PM
1	CMV: Redpillers do not understand women. They still think of them as men. Hey, with the right surgeon you could be the next Carmen dell'Orefice. Dream on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/16 12:17 AM
2	CMV: Redpillers do not understand women. They still think of them as men. So goes the old saying, women marry hoping their man changes and men marry hoping their women stays the same, and the opposite happens. In a perfect world women world always stay young and attractive and men will always be new and exciting. But we don't live in a perfect world so we learn to compromise. If your husband is a decent guy then he'll learn over time to be more attracted your personality and your experiences together more so than physical beauty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 11:28 PM
2	What do you think is the long term solution to the sexual marketplace? I disagree. Women could use common law to their advantage and put off sex until cohabitation. This would be no different then women holding out, or requiring commitment before sex. Men are not going to fall for it unless all or most women do it. The impulse to play with shiny things is no where near as strong as the instinct to find the best mate to reproduce with. Total false equivalency. The strength of the impulse is irrelevant. The point is, if you are going to look for "the best mate" to re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 10:05 PM
2	CMV: Redpillers do not understand women. They still think of them as men. Yes I agree with 90% of what you're saying, female sexuality (on average) is definitely more fluid than male sexuality, and changes over time. I disagree that by simply understanding this resolves the majority of the problems in the RP worldview. None of these points are going to change how RP feels about being left out during youth, or being second choice for marriage, or being unexpectedly divorced. If male sexuality is more constant, then they are going to be unhappy when things don't stay th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 09:15 PM
2	What do you think is the long term solution to the sexual marketplace? If they have a natural tendency toward submission, then they're already unappealing. No loss there. That's a pretty baseless statement. Why do you think r/theredpill or r/seduction or the whole PUA cummunity exists? How would this hurt them? It would simply incentivize marriage and cohabitation. They're already very unlikely to pursue relationships. What is there to lose? Exactly, if the point is to try and incentivize them toward relationships > cohabitation > marriage, then common law marriage…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 08:33 PM
2	What do you think is the long term solution to the sexual marketplace? More player shaming, more romantic themed media aimed at men This is more likely to make non "alpha" men more submissive and unappealing, further increasing the gap in the SMP. more common law marriages Not sure at all how this could help. It would likely make "alphas" far less likely to pursue relationships. more tax breaks for married people, as well as the addition of a bachelor tax This could hurt them, but is more likely to hurt regular men (and women) more since they are the ones strugglin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 11:31 AM
2	CMV: TRP has lots of truth but is also a cesspool of selection & confirmation bias and can be toxic to healthy relationships I don't agree with many ideas that circulate within TRP or "the manosphere" either, but I'm still glad they exists because it offers a counterpoint to (radical) feminism, and a place for men to voice out their concerns in a world where mass media and government are reluctant to hear them. There are plenty of philosophies, viewpoints, religions, etc. out there that offer a narrow perspective of the world. It's the job of the reader to contextualize them properly and rationalize it based on his/he…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 06:06 AM
2	CMV: Nothing is wrong with the fact that women have sex with "alphas" and marry "betas". Is that a legitimate fear to have about men who have many partners? If it's not, why should it be for women? Women are more likely to be concerned that their SO's high partner makes them just another number, a sex object, and not something intimate and special. This is probably related to your concern of sexual ethics. Again, this isn't always the case. Plenty of men with a high partner count are looking to treat their next partner as "the one", but that doesn't invalidate the fear.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 05:22 AM
3	CMV: Nothing is wrong with the fact that women have sex with "alphas" and marry "betas". The insecurities boil down to one fear. Her past involves more alluring partners and now she's either burned out or settling for him only to get his financial/emotional support. Obviously this isn't always true, but it's not an unreasonable insecurity to have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/16 03:51 AM
6	There's no downsides to being picky for the majority of women Imagine you are shopping to finance a car. When you are too picky you tell yourself that you won't settle for anything less than a Lamborghini. No dealer is willing to sell you one though. The best they can offer you is a Corvette. You decide to hold out and wait for the dealer who will offer you a Lamborghini. As time goes on, life gets rough, your credit gets worse and you tell yourself, Ok, the Corvette isn't too bad, I'll go for that. But now the best the dealers are willing to give you is a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/16 11:14 AM
1	CMV: Outright denying the existence of alpha or beta personalities is a coping mechanism. Even then, you can't separate the two so easily. His ability to support her is part of her sexual attraction to him. Women go crazy for the rich and famous, not because all these men are good looking, but because the promise of status, security, and wealth that he offers makes him sexually more attractive to her. They really aren't thinking, 'I want to use this guy for his money'. They just think he seems super hot, and perhaps they aren't even sure why. Certainly, there are women that genuinely…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/16 06:42 AM
2	CMV: Outright denying the existence of alpha or beta personalities is a coping mechanism. Whether someone squarely fits into it isn't the point it's like "Chad" they're just archetypes. These are phenomena found in our social relations & culture that're applied under understanding why things work the way they do. This is pretty much what I said. They are used for conveying the ideas of RP Philosophy i.e. are archetypes applied to help people understand why things work the way they do. The actual categories that individuals fit in are usually far more complicated(Sigma's, Higher-Beta'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/16 06:05 AM
1	CMV: Outright denying the existence of alpha or beta personalities is a coping mechanism. I agree the, alpha/beta dichotomy isn't very useful for describing real men, there is simply too much grey area between the two categories. However, I think they exist though to more easily convey the ideas behind RP philosophy. Rather than saying the more desirable a man is the more likely he is to be used for sex and the less desirable a man is the more likely he will be used for only money/support, RP just say "alpha fux, beta bux". It's more or less marketing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/16 04:29 AM
1	Is masculinity fragile? The same could be said for femininity. Wearing makeup, shaving legs, avoiding playing certain sports, avoiding weights at the gym, you could also argue that these are a very narrow set of behaviors that women conform to in order to be a "lady". Whether it is fragile or not is kind of irrelevant. Femininity and Masculinity both exist primarily to appeal to the opposite sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/16 07:08 PM
1	CMV: Contractual waivers before sex is the “fairest” way to permit legal parental surrender What would complicate this IRL is that you have to account for the fictional children's rights in all of it. It wouldn't be the potential complexity of this plan which would prevent it from materializing, it would be the fact that there is a third party here--children. I think there are still complications in the planning aspect. For example, if the contract is only valid for 6 months, does that mean after 6 months the man is on the hook for any biological children born after 6 months, or only t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/16 12:14 AM
1	CMV: Contractual waivers before sex is the “fairest” way to permit legal parental surrender Things tend to be balanced when you look at the big picture. People just like to have a narrow view of things. If women have a harder time achieving orgasm, a lower average sex drive, a risk of pregnancy, a shorter biological clock, a higher risk for STIs as well as long term complications from them... well then of course they are going to be picky with who they sleep with.. It's not fair or unfair, but it is balanced.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/16 11:33 PM
1	CMV: Contractual waivers before sex is the “fairest” way to permit legal parental surrender Regardless, why would it be anymore complicated than any other area of contract law? We contract about all sorts of shit. We just add a few other entries to the UCC. Not saying it is not doable. I don't see it being much different from a pre-nup. Like a pre-nup, it isn't exactly something you would pull out while things are getting heavy, sign real quick, then jump right back into it. It would require days, maybe weeks for lawyers to draft up the terms, consider if and when it is void, and witne…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/16 11:21 PM
1	CMV: Sex is the ultimate validation of masculinity for men. I never said they were. I'm just clarifying that sexual fulfillment and validation are not the same, and that you can get one without the other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/16 11:53 PM
1	CMV: Contractual waivers before sex is the “fairest” way to permit legal parental surrender How is this not fair? Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand. If you don't have the rights, you shouldn't have the responsibilities and vice versa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/16 11:49 PM
3	CMV: Sex is the ultimate validation of masculinity for men. Plenty of women set up profiles on hookup apps with no intention whatsoever of actually hooking up. Are they not being validated when they get tons of messages from attractive guys? You don't need to have sex to feel validated, it's all about knowing the opportunity is there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/16 08:45 PM
5	CMV: Sex is the ultimate validation of masculinity for men. Validation works the same for men and women. It's less about sex, and more about being sexually desired by sexually desirable people. The only difference is that most women have a higher standard than men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/16 07:26 PM
0	CMV: Contractual waivers before sex is the “fairest” way to permit legal parental surrender A waiver before sex would never work. It would be a fairly complicated law to legislate and would end up being a waist of time because no one would use it. IMO, everyone should be required to acquire some sort of waiver/parental license before having a child, or before having sex. This should be an either be an 'intent to conceive' with a specific partner, and is essentially treated like a surrogate contract, or a 'prepared to conceive' which would pretty much work like how things work today, bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/16 09:26 AM