CorDra2011 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
4	A Question		CorDra2011	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 05:37 AM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
3	Hanna Rosin - Male rape in America: A new study reveals that men are sexually assaulted almost as often as women. Already been done	/r/MensRights	30/04/14 01:40 AM
1	A Question It's hard to continue when you fundamentally disagree about what I accept as facts and issues. Kind of futile to keep fighting. Especially when I've been up all night doing this... yawn lol sorry. Peace guys.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:46 AM
1	A Question Sorry but I've spent several hours on this in the middle of the fucking night. Quite tired. But I enjoyed the debate, and as egalitarians we always find common ground and hopefully will work together as parts of differing groups despite fundamental differences. Like the anarchists and socialists in the Spanish Civil War...	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:45 AM
1	A Question Not really. Your arguments were well founded and I honestly enjoyed talking to you. While we fundamentally disagree on some issues, it doesn't mean all is lost. We're still at heart both egalitarians with what I hope is the best interests. If we truly both believe these ideologies our groups can always find common ground and hopefully work together. Not name calling, demeaning, and dismissing. Cooperation between activism is the way to go not exclusion.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:43 AM
1	A Question Well I've had enough. You've argued well. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:40 AM
0	A Question No, he doesn't and I think it's troubling that you misrepresent what he said. "No. The western media for various reasons basically posts feminist propaganda which made a lot of claims that were simply false. For example i found pictures of Taliban schools for girls on-line while feminists were claiming the Taliban had outlawed girls education - something hotyl denied by the taliban who said they had build female universities even (well one - it's a shitty country after the US and russia got thro…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:30 AM
2	A Question This is an extremely accurate statement thank you.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:16 AM
1	A Question So you believe people who have bias for them* Not when it's independent studies and federal agencies, no. Yes, they have. They really have. Links please? Again, you are accusing us of having a bias against it. But you clearly are biased for it. Except I'm not, this is a neutral egalitarian viewpoint. I haven't been to r/feminism yet. Nor have I been to the myriad of other feminist organizations or forums. This is a viewpoint I've formed by empirical evidence and personal experience. And I'm not …	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:15 AM
0	A Question Look at my conversations with /u/DavidByron2 that's why. He denies the fucking Taliban abused women for God's sake. I'm sorry but the reason it's dangerous is because it allows promotion of frankly misogynistic people to express their views under a thin veil of equality for men. I'm not denying feminism allows it too, but from all the posts I've read on this subreddit, most of them are once again, frankly biased against women & heavily anti-feminist. It took 3 minutes to find numerous comments c…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:10 AM
0	A Question You can link to any study on it here at /mensrights and our best MRAs will show you the flaws in it. It's often not easy to understand the method/maths behind them. I've read them. And they're wrong. I will take professional studies over the opinions of people on here who have a natural bias against them. Have any of them actually done statistical work or are they working off of statistics or opinions given to them. The problem is that we never get to that discussion if we perpetuate the myth of…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 10:03 AM
1	A Question To be honest, I think I do. As far as I can tell I still think MRAs is a somewhat dangerous ideology that means well but I believe is mostly unnecessary. We don't need a movement to redress problems anyone can contend with. Right now Feminism's issues are in my honest opinion more important. Feminism can be just as dangerous, but I'll accept the imbeciles, every ideology has them.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 09:54 AM
1	A Question I know what it looks like thanks. Apologies if I misunderstood your point about it's importance. And to answer my question around 90% of women in Somalia for example have been victims of FGM. I don't know if you've seen the state of the Somali medical system but it's pretty bad. And the bad thing is that don't have the same medical care afterwards as those South African men do.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 09:45 AM
0	A Question I didn't concede it, because I don't think this is necessarily the case. sigh It's a labour issue that primarily affects men making it a gendered issue. Feminists are happy to talk about the gender imbalance in the boardroom Because that is a sexist issue. Also if it overtly effects men isn't it also an issue for women because they're underrepresented in that work force? Then why are they not simply taking these employers to court? The imbalance you're referring to largely disappears when taking…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 09:43 AM
-2	A Question Okay then... If a man told you that his wife divorced him and he can't see his kids that he loves very much because of family court bias in favor of women... would you tell him: "sorry but your problem pales in comparison to the problems in other countries?" Honestly I would. It's terrible but an accurate statement. We are addressing this man's issue and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. And that's great. As for genital mutilation in Africa for males this all true, but it's not an almost c…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 09:28 AM
0	A Question I think everyone here would agree that globally both women and men suffer inequalities that dwarf those experienced in western nations. Will you at least concede globally women have it worse off? Haha. It's not really, the workplace rate for death and injury is over 11 time greater for men. To put this in context, imagine what sort of outcry we'd be facing if men were paid 11 times more than women. Once again is this due to discriminatory work practices towards men or just all around safety conc…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 09:14 AM
1	A Question Absolutely not needed. It's a bit of my fault because before I posted it I put: Before I begin I know this is probably useless and I have a strong inkling about the reactions I'll be getting but oh well. Which kind of screwed with the flow of my post.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 09:00 AM
1	A Question You say the mrm is "a localized and unnecessary ideology". Why is it unnecessary. Because honestly as I've stated I don't agree that men are disadvantaged in a way enough to warrant the MRM that can't be addressed by an egalitarian or feminist viewpoint. Do we really have to solve issues in other countries first and then address our own issues? Yes because those injustices are much more serious. Why can't we consider both necessary? Because in my viewpoint female genital mutilation in Somalia, f…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:57 AM
0	A Question Yet given an entire ideology, you still can't give me a single example of where men have rights, that women do not. Are we speaking globally or isolated to Europe and America. There is a distinction. It has to do with taking action to improve workplace safety. If the situations were reversed, I'm sure we would see feminist groups taking action. Since they are not doing so, why would you begrudge the MRM from doing so? Fair enough but is that really an issue reserved for men. Sure it effects men …	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:48 AM
1	A Question I'll agree to that. And I honestly won't ever call myself a MRA because in the global sense a few injustices facing men in the western world pale in comparison to the issues plaguing women. I find it a very localized and unnecessary ideology. But by all means continue to be one. You have every right, nor am I demeaning you for it. Just to be clear.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:41 AM
1	A Question Now to be fair I haven't been on Reddit long and what I've heard about this particular subreddit can be grouped into two camps. Also the fact that I did never say I agreed with them. And it is a statement of fact, a statement of how you have been perceived to me. Also how can I believe two contradictory viewpoints. If I truly believed the latter I would not be here.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:35 AM
0	A Question No they were mostly bullshit. if you want to get into it be my guest. But since one of us has already studied it and it aint you... you're gonna have a bad time. So all the laws and decrees passed by the Taliban didn't happen? So did men. And in Saudi Arabia... did you know it's a monarchy? it's not a democracy. Men don't get a vote either. Because... it's not a democracy. Voting in a country which isn't a democracy... not really worth much. Not worth much in the USA either of course. half the c…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:32 AM
0	A Question So if we have a long standing, institutionalised system advocating for the rights of a single gender. Is it "unequal" to seek to redress the balance? No but I don't see a balance that requires the bashing of an entire ideology. But feminism isn't interested in talking about the reproductive rights of men, nor are they interested in mens contraceptive options. I have never seen any feminist group talk about the workplace death rate of men, nor the gender gap in the health and education system. Ho…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:25 AM
1	A Question Except I don't really identify as a feminist. Nor have I been in contact with many feminists. The ones I have are the reasonable ones to be perfectly honest. I've simply observed the events taking place and formed this conclusion.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:21 AM
-1	A Question It's late and I'm starting to get a headache from debating you so forgive me if I'm not going to be quoting the exact passages I'm dealing with as you have already. Firstly I can't even fathom your logic on men in charge because I can't help but note that all the nations with extreme laws against women are almost 100% male. They are clearly not interested in the benefit of women. As well I don't see your claims of anti-male sexists laws have any foundation. And you seem to blur the lines between…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:16 AM
-1	A Question Context please. I said I heard these. I never said I agreed with them. I wanted to point out the place I'm coming from.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:10 AM
3	A Question So far the best place I've found, believe it or not, is Tumblr in Action, they approach everything with an egalitarian viewpoint. Also some comedy. Thank you for your well thought out input.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:08 AM
0	A Question The problem is not that feminism isn't doing anything for men. I don't care. The problem is that they say we don't need a men's rights movement because they have it covered. I've honestly never heard that argument made.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:06 AM
1	A Question The MRM is NOT an egalitarian movement. They are specifically interested in advocating only for the rights of men. This makes the Wikipedia section for the MRM correct, and the MRM not hypocrites. Many people in the MRM may identify as egalitarians, but the scope of the MRM is for equal rights for men. Then I am confused. Because if you believe in equality you should also believe in egalitarianism by default. At least in my opinion. This not within the MRM scope, but for arguments sake, what rig…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 08:05 AM
2	A Question Fair enough lol.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:59 AM
0	A Question Are you kidding? These were upper middle class women with servants. They were the most privileged demographic in history. Their husbands still had to work for a living but they did not. You see the pattern here? You claim feminism is about equality. I point out that the actual recorded behaviour is the exact opposite of equality. You then say, "Oh well that's OK because women were just really really fucked up" and then I say "like what?" and you draw a blank. Do you know that the great majority …	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:58 AM
-1	A Question The sum total of MRM activities are not solely encompassed by the the suggested author list in /r/mensrights. True. If you believe the feminist movement to be egalitarian, do you think the wikipedia definition is incorrect? Then by that logic wikipedia is also wrong about MRM. Do you think that after 4 decades of feminism there should be more progress being shown to addressing mens issues, rather than the works of a few authors? How much has the MRM done in that span of time as well for women.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:51 AM
0	A Question How does that advantage men? Men in charge tend to promote women and undermine other men. The situation you just outlined is an example of female privilege. I asked you for an example of male privilege not yet another example of female privilege. We all know there's a ton of those. Do you have any proof of this? I'm talking about disadvantageous to women not advantageous to women. Like which countries? Saudi Arabia, Iran, the UAE, Argentina, Ecuador, Egypt, Guatemala, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Peru,…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:47 AM
1	A Question As I stated with /u/GunOfSod I don't appreciate rabid tones and I was hoping that this was not the case here as I had been led to believe.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:31 AM
0	A Question So why did the feminist movement at it's "beginning" at the Seneca Falls convention issue a "Declaration of Sentiments" that was modeled on the US declaration of war against England? Why did it characterise sexual relations between men and women as one where men and women were in separate waring camps, men against women? With men being the evil assholes of course. Because at the time, women were subjugated in a manner we would call genuine oppression. Name one thing those early feminists said to…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:29 AM
-1	A Question So you think these authors writings, are sufficient to address mens issues? Yes the same as your subreddit uses Christina Hoff Summers on the suggested reading list. I believe they and many others represent true equality in feminism and that if we actually actively participate in feminism instead of simply arguing against it we can help men as well as women. Do you have anything more concrete? I assumed since you used the exact same article as evidence for your argument, me doing the same would …	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:20 AM
2	A Question You have no ability to even articulate let alone defend your views -- which aren't your own views at all of course, just unexamined slogans handed to you by others. Then I plead with you to reread my post 3 up from this one. As far as I can tell they had legitimate concerns in the bills others have mentioned. The fact that the majority of positions in government are undeniably in the hands of males, that legislation is passed and proposed regarding both sexes with unequal representation, the fac…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:15 AM
0	A Question Can you raise a specific objection rather than tone policing? Perhaps there is a specific fact you disagree with? Firstly the title, I don't respect an article that begins with such a radical generalization. As well several of the issues made the author makes broad statements about the opposition in a clearly inflammatory manner. I'm sorry if you take this as "tone policing" but I don't respect nor consider input given that is meant to be radically reactionary to be worthwhile of interest. If yo…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:12 AM
-1	A Question You're conflating "equality" with "equal rights for women". Can you provide some examples where feminism has advocated for the rights of men? If you had read on you'd also find my example: "Feminism is mainly focused on women's issues, but author Bell Hooks and others have argued that, since feminism seeks gender equality, it must necessarily include men's liberation because men are also harmed by sexism and gender roles."	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:05 AM
1	A Question You come on here with a patronising and insulting post, calling the people here woman haters and demanding that your opinion must be accepted. What did you expect? Oh that's right you expected to be criticised for it. I don't remember patronizing you. I shared what my perceptions Reddit and other people have given me of you lot. I never said I agreed with them. In fact I came here in the hopes of being proven wrong. I expected to be criticized because of the preconceptions I've been given. So fa…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 07:03 AM
-2	A Question I am against viewing the worl in "privileged" and "not privileged". That's a black-and-white view that will help nobody. Feminism now uses "intersectionality" to better this. But even with intersectionality it is at best adding some shades of gray. People have advantages and disadvantages. Genders have advantages and disadvantages. But a pseudo-scientific explanation of issues with "male privilege" doesn't help anybody. Then you truly are a egalitarian. But you can't deny in a global sense a pri…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 06:58 AM
-1	A Question Yes I have. Feminism fought hard for equality in age when women were genuinely disadvantaged in grievous ways. All the while feminism has preached equality for both males and females.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 06:52 AM
3	A Question That's also something I'd hear from them to be honest lol. What I'm saying is the wording and elements of this article are overly favorable to a male point of view & have an over use of buzz words and reactionary topics.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 06:46 AM
-1	A Question This is a tactic I've seen on here. Demeaning attitude to anyone who attempts to contradict your established views. That's not fair nor is it intelligent. To address your questions: If you disagree please explain why feminists lobby for anti-male discrimination in law. As far as I can tell they had legitimate concerns in the bills others have mentioned. Like what? The fact that the majority of positions in government are undeniably in the hands of males, that legislation is passed and proposed r…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 06:44 AM
1	A Question I'm sorry but this is just...I don't want to say insulting, but rather...reactionary. This is something I would see over at r/conspiracy or r/conservative to be perfectly honest.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 06:37 AM
-7	A Question Not by feminist definition. In a patriarchy only the "oppressing" group of power, that is men, can have privilege. Male privilege. Women can't have privilege, because they are not the group with power. If they have anything that someone would call "female privilege" it is "benevolent sexism" according to feminism. For example if someone says "it was female privilege that women didn't have to fight in world war I and II", a feminist would answer "No, that is not female privilege, that is benevole…	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 06:33 AM
1	A Question I have thank you.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 06:26 AM
2	Bill Maher says uncut penis looks like sea creature And of course everyone should be against FGM.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 05:42 AM
6	"women-and-children hurt the most" is statistical fraud Yep this is sexism towards males and females. It should say adults and children.	/r/MensRights	28/04/14 05:41 AM