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Right, but you're not providing any evidence that their response comes from feminism. It could come from a traditionalist view of gender, never challenged by critical examination of the gender system. What makes you think it has anything to do with feminism?
/r/MensRights21/07/12 06:24 AM
3

Two female hosts on E! News are the voice of feminism? Why are you conflating infotainment hosts with feminists or the feminist movement? Wouldn't that be like conflating every misogynistic rapper and rape-joke-spewing comedian with men's rights advocates?
/r/MensRights21/07/12 02:46 AM
-9

So let her move on; you know the nightclub game and know how not to get played for drinks. Nobody's forcing you to play along.
/r/MensRights21/07/12 02:41 AM
-42

Yeah, 'cause if you buy a woman a drink, she's obligated to have sex with you. Or something.
/r/MensRights21/07/12 01:49 AM
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His unbending categorical imperative was flawed, but the underlying principle of 'treat people as means instead of ends' is still pretty compelling. No ethicist is without flaw.
/r/MensRights19/07/12 04:57 AM
-6

Ha, you're agreeing with me? Prepare for the downvotes to come a-floodin'. And MRAs wonder why people call the movement misogynistic. If these chaps are in charge of liberating us, we're screwed.
/r/MensRights19/07/12 02:16 AM
-1

No, no, and no. None of that is implied by the definition of objectification I gave or by Kantian ethics.
/r/MensRights19/07/12 01:59 AM
-3

Yeah, I think I'll go cast my ballot in North Korea now. Like I said, words have meanings. I can call myself a socialist while advocating capitalism, but that wouldn't make me a socialist.
/r/MensRights19/07/12 01:09 AM
-4

Someone can call themselves something without being one- or do you think North Korea is a democratic republic of the people? Words have meanings, and declaring yourself something does not make it so.
/r/MensRights19/07/12 12:51 AM
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And you switch the topic when you can't refute or prove a point. Also typical. Begone.
/r/MensRights19/07/12 12:22 AM
-2

Kay Hymowitz is a feminist? She works for a conservative thinktank, writes for the Wall Street Journal, and wrote a book blaming 'the rise of women' for 'turning men into boys'. Try again. Or don't. It's sort of sad when you do.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 11:48 PM
-2

Aaaaaand.... no source, no demonstration of where these alleged baffled man-hungry feminist traditionalists are. Yeah, I'm done here. Got better idjits to argue with.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 10:21 PM
-5

Actually, no, I haven't ever read an article by a feminist like that. In fact, most feminist articles I've read on marriage are either about legalizing gay marriage, mocking traditionalist obsession with marriage, or the division of household chores in married couples. I've yet to see a feminist article on the so-called 'man crisis'.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 10:00 PM
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"Nobody's bashing women on here! Let me tell you about how the women in my country are awful people!" OK, yeah, sure. You go do that. Women are awful unless they know how to submit, keep to their traditional gender role, and keep their burqas on like good girls. Only way we can win liberation from gender roles for men is by attacking women who've already challenged theirs. 'Cause nobody's found way yet to argue for one sex's liberation without denigrating the other sex, apparently.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 09:24 PM
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Lady, I know what it's like to be a guy a good deal better than you do, seeing as I am one and whatnot. But, you're still putting words in my mouth. All I objected to was the bitter, woman-bashing language others were spouting on here. If a man is happy masturbating and hanging out with dudes, that's fine- same for a woman who wants to masturbate and hang out with women. But if a woman justified her decision to do that by making blanket declarations about how awful western men were, I'd be calli…
/r/MensRights18/07/12 09:01 PM
-6

Ooooh, I'm a-shakin' in my boots.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 08:54 PM
-5

Ah, apparently my belief that women (or western women) as a whole are not incompetent, selfish, horrible people who could be replaced with sex robots and resent people saying that this is the case (read the thread) means I think men can't be happy without them and I think men should be forced to spend time with them or some shite like that. OK. That seems like a reasonable assumption.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 08:48 PM
-4

Viewing your relationships with other human beings through the same lens you view buying lettuce is probably a healthy way to go about things, I'm sure. It is a pity about that 'being friends with women' tax the government imposes though, amirite?
/r/MensRights18/07/12 05:27 PM
-10

Yes, the first step of bigotry is believing that women might be good for something other than sex.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 05:18 PM
-13

Yeah, those damn western women! Why can't they be like exotic foreign women, who know how to keep in their place? Don't you just hate your sisters, mothers, daughters, wives, girlfriends, and female friends and neighbors?
/r/MensRights18/07/12 05:15 PM
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As we know, these are highly valued and glamorous jobs. Only half trolling, of course, because 'pink collar' jobs are the gendered flipside of low-paying blue collar jobs and there are professionals of both genders, but still.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 05:11 PM
6

Actually, most of the 2nd wave was still 'women should be allowed to have any career they're willing to work for, should have autonomy of their own bodies, and should be socially equal to men insofar as respect goes, in an addition to being legally equally'. Also, third wave is mostly 'attempting to look at intersectionality', more queer theory, and sex-positive feminism. Radfem is a trans-wave phenomena that you should not use to typify any one wave.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 05:07 PM
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Ah, I see. You apparently live in a sad place where women are incompetent, selfish, and go around accusing their friends of rape for no reason. Oh, and where peer pressure is a thing that only women levy. Remind me never to move to such a horrible place.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:47 PM
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So, you're talking while I'm present, but not talking to me? It seems like you're talking to me, and thus relating to me, and yet you don't seem to be trying to bone me. I'd have to say that if you were carrying on this conversation with the grass, and talking to the grass, I'd get the impression that you just might be trying to relate to the grass. Especially if said grass were sentient.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:38 PM
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I'm honestly not sure how to respond to that, because you very clearly interpreted that in a ludicrous and absurd manner. Like, really, I have no idea what part of that sentence leads you to believe that I don't think women ever objectify men. I cannot see how you got 'women never objectify men' out of 'Hey dude, you might want to have reasons to talk to women besides boning them'.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:34 PM
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In caring enough about men to post to an MRA forum and to further respond to my comment and ensure that I believe cannot be faulted, aren't you demonstrating that you do, in fact, relate to men for reasons other than sex?
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:29 PM
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So much wrong with that statement. Friends are not a fungible commodity. If you're cutting off half of our species from friendship, you're cutting off all of the best possible friends from that group. Being friends with a woman you're not trying to have sex with does not cost more than being friends with a man you're not trying to have sex with. People often find sex with people they have an emotional connection to more enjoyable than sex with lifeless automatons. Perhaps you do not.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:26 PM
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Interesting. Do be a dear and point out exactly where it was that I implied they didn't.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:19 PM
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You don't think the idea of sentience is an important one? You must have a hard time in ethics, not being able to differentiate the moral person-hood of a child from that of a rock. Of course we're more than the sum of our parts. I have neurons. Individually, they're nothing special. Together, they create a mind, an emergent quality known as sentience. Don't indulge in bullheaded reductionism- it's counterfactual. If the idea of objectification being morally wrong is absurd, then Kantian ethics …
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:18 PM
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Don't strawman me. I wasn't demonizing anybody's sexuality. I was expressing a hope that a person has reasons to interact with the opposite sex beyond sex. Sex is awesome. Sex is glorious. Relating to people only through sex, and viewing the opposite sex as a thing that could or should be replaced by sex robots, it not a healthy way to approach interpersonal relationships.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:12 PM
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Wikipedia sez: "Sexual objectification refers to the practice of regarding or treating another person merely as an instrument (object) towards one's sexual pleasure, and a sex object is a person who is regarded simply as an object of sexual gratification or who is sexually attractive. Objectification more broadly is an attitude that regards a person as a commodity or as an object for use, with little or no regard for a person's personality or sentience." Not making a call whether he did or not, …
/r/MensRights18/07/12 03:54 PM
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No, because the sexuality of women is seen as nonthreatening.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 03:50 PM
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One would hope you attempt to relate to women for reasons other than those a sex robot could fulfill.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 03:49 PM
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There is no 'solution'. It's her body, not yours.
/r/MensRights12/07/12 05:58 PM
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But it’s not just resources, it’s ambition and potential, too. So... it's not just resources- it's the possible future resources, too?
/r/MensRights10/07/12 09:17 PM
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Actually, a woman was charged with child pornography for using such a picture in testimony regarding the effects of coal mining on water quality in Appalachia. It was a picture of a young child sitting in a bathtub full of visibly contaminated water. http://grist.org/climate-energy/bathtub-photo-lands-coal-activist-in-child-porn-hot-water/
/r/MensRights10/07/12 08:19 AM
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Er... I wasn't talking about circumcision, which I oppose. I was correcting the statement that livestock sacrifice isn't tolerated- it is. I just wanted to set the record straight on that. My comment had nothing to do with the circumcision issue.
/r/MensRights10/07/12 02:26 AM
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Um... yeah, the violence may have been a bit much. That said, don't joke about raping people. Seriously. Not cool. She was wrong to punch, but the guy she punched is no martyr, and pretending he is one discredits you in the public eye.
/r/MensRights10/07/12 12:39 AM
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Well, the goats and livestock is pretty well tolerated. I can set you up with a halal butcher who can help with an eid sacrifice, if you live in the Twin Cities.
/r/MensRights10/07/12 12:27 AM
1

Ah, yeah, see, there's a disconnect. I meant conservative to mean generally right-wing. I think the Moderates are described as a 'liberal-conservative' party. Here they'd probably just be described as moderate conservatives. Again, i was going by the political spectrum here, as you'd asked. Here, tough on crime usually means dealing with the problem through more cops and tougher sentences, which is considered a conservative approach, while the progressive or left-wing approach would be to look a…
/r/MensRights09/07/12 10:08 PM
1

Deregulation, privatization, tax cuts, and the strong stance against crime. Wikipedia says they're in favor of "increasing and promoting the value of working, and quality in the educational system.", which, in the states, is often code for cutting social welfare programs and privatizing education, but I don't know what it means in Sweden. I read that it used to support more military spending, less labor laws, and fixed rate income tax, all of which are considered right-wing. Unfortunately, I can…
/r/MensRights09/07/12 08:48 PM
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If she can find no evidence of systemic misogyny or tries to rely on this one example to create an argument from confirmation bias and anecdotal evidence, her argument will sink or at best be a flimsy case easy to push over. If she does find evidence that this is widespread, then we would do well to take note.
/r/MensRights09/07/12 07:24 PM
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False, actually. The governing coalition of Sweden is a center-right alliance. The Moderate Party is center-right party which was founded by conservatives and which was previously known as The Rightist Party. Their ideology is conservatism and classical liberalism (which the US associates with libertarianism). They're both economically and socially conservative. The Center Party is basically a rural agrarian party. The Liberal Party advocates a form of social liberalism that we'd consider fairly…
/r/MensRights09/07/12 05:34 PM
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The World Economic Forum ranks Sweden no. 4 in gender equality (note: their metric seems to be based entirely around women's issues)
/r/MensRights09/07/12 03:16 PM
6

This is a rabbi making an argument. It has less to do with feminism and more to do with a religious figure grasping at any argument they can to justify ritual abuse. I'd hardly call it feminist, considering the rabbi makes the claim that boys must be purified of feminine blood and that only male blood is capable of making the covenant.
/r/MensRights09/07/12 03:10 PM
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Er, no. She actually found a mistranslation. She ascribed wide-reaching implications to the mistranslation, which you can interpret as valid or invalid, but she's not rewriting historical texts any more than the Church rewrites the original Greek text of the Bible every time it comes out with an updated translation, or the socialist movement rewrites the original French of the Internationale every time they translate it anew. She found a legitimate error in the translation and fixed it.
/r/MensRights09/07/12 04:53 AM
5

They probably imagine they're helping women, but all they're going to do is discredit a generation of women doctors in Austria.
/r/MensRights09/07/12 01:43 AM
3

The camera unabashedly focused tight on the dancer’s abs and buttocks, requiring viewers to objectify the male actors. When done to women, this is called the Male Gaze and it is not referred to as 'requiring' the viewers to objectify the actors, but rather as aiding their willful objectification- an objectification I can only assume is willful, also, by the scores of women who came to see a movie about male strippers and yell at the screen demanding more naked man-flesh.
/r/MensRights07/07/12 07:21 AM
1

Athens was an isolated pocket of history. Suffrage, especially suffrage to all men (not just property holders, as was the case in Athens) came about in the early modern to modern period.
/r/MensRights07/07/12 04:43 AM
1

Considering voting didn't become a thing until after swords stopped relevant and we transitioned to a proto-industrial society...
/r/MensRights07/07/12 03:50 AM
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It would seem I stand corrected- it was used as one of the arguments for black suffrage. Touche.
/r/MensRights06/07/12 10:44 PM
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Er, false. The right to vote for black men was given as a bundle deal with the emancipation of slaves following the Civil War (and, to the best of my knowledge, 'black guys fought for us' was never given as a reason for it- especially given that, with some exceptions, black volunteers usually were involved in manual labor and logistics, not front-line combat). Further civil rights were won by a civil rights movement which had pretty much nothing to do with war.
/r/MensRights06/07/12 09:38 PM
1

I've yet to see anyone argue that women got the right to vote without male sympathizers.
/r/MensRights06/07/12 09:35 PM
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Actually, the second wave involved very little bra-burning. That image mostly comes from a protest against Miss America in which activists were putting beauty supplies in a trash can as a protest against the idea that a woman's worth was tied solely to her beauty (and as a protest against the cosmetics and cosmetics-advertising industry, which basically makes its money off of trying to get people to be insecure, then selling them things to fix it).
/r/MensRights06/07/12 09:33 PM
1

Who owns the news? Leftists, or rich folk who probably aren't too fond of the people calling for worker control of their companies? What, you think no millions died in the transition from feudalism to capitalism? You think capitalist states have never killed million, turned to dictatorial tactics to enforce the rule of their social order, never funded wars and coups, never tortured, never imprisoned, never stripped people of their dignity? You think private capitalist companies have never mistre…
/r/MensRights05/07/12 11:14 PM
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OK, you go ahead and believe that. Have fun with that.
/r/MensRights05/07/12 10:43 PM
0

Yes, I'm sure 'everyone' 'knows' your personal political opinions regarding the Left. Because everyone agrees with you on political economy, and your opinions are facts that are known, not opinions that are held.
/r/MensRights05/07/12 08:51 PM
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Eh, I think you need to spend more time in these circles. The New Left identity politics types (though there are New Left-ers who aren't into identity politics, and some New Left-ers, like Hal Draper, have been pretty firmly in the tradition of Old Left socialism) who are super into critical theory tend to have a view of Marxism that is fairly divergent from the Marxist camp- namely, their socialism, if present at all, is secondary and fairly crude. If anything, they're mostly 'progressives', re…
/r/MensRights05/07/12 07:40 PM
0

That's a pretty superficial similarity (the French Revolution divided people into nobility and non-nobility; clearly it is the same as Marxism!). It relies on basically throwing out the actual thought behind Marxism (historical materialism and the development of class power in an era of industrial mass society based on the control of the means of production, traced through multiple levels of technological and social development to the dawn of agriculture) and just taking a simplified version of …
/r/MensRights05/07/12 07:28 PM
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False. The word Patriarchy comes from feminism, not Marxism. Marxist feminism roots women's oppression in economic conditions tied to capitalism and, further back in history, with the domestic and labor relations based around property. Patriarchy as a word is most historically associated with radical feminism, which was not Marxist, and in fact rejected the fundamental principle of Marxism, replacing a historical materialist view of class development with a historical cultural view of gender opp…
/r/MensRights05/07/12 06:30 PM
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Um... the Frankfurt School was a pretty big departure from most Marxist theory. It was more of a weird amalgamation of existentialism, Marxism, psychoanalysis, and the emerging identity politics of the 60s, which would have come about with or without the Frankfurt School's influence on the New Left. Also, this focus on the women victim could just as if not more easily be read as an example of traditional gender roles- chivalry and all that rot.
/r/MensRights05/07/12 06:26 PM
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Well, to be fair, a shit-ton of MRAs really, really hate feminists and feminism and say pretty shitty things about feminists and feminism, and though it's not universal, there's also a large, paradoxically traditionalist stream among a good deal of MRAs that also lends credence to this view. So, yeah. I mean, if you don't want people to think you don't support women's rights, you should come openly support women's rights. I mean, everyone's always demanding that the feminists support men's right…
/r/MensRights05/07/12 09:45 AM
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Right, and the context she used it in was offensive. She used our condition as a pejorative to attack people she didn't like. She should be called out for that.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 09:45 AM
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Calling someone a spergy neckbeard might not bother you, but are you autistic? Getting stereotyped and mocked once again sort of does bother some of us.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 09:36 AM
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Ha, I love the idea that everyone on the autism spectrum is a nerd. I mean, sure, I play Shadowrun and D&D, read a bunch of fantasy when I was a teenager, and read a bunch of sci-fi now, but I can't work a computer for crap, I don't get the appeal of anime, and I prefer wrestling, acting, or playing music to playing video games. Still, the aspie=nerd thing is entrenched.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 09:34 AM
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It's often less an immediately noticeable thing, than a subtle but pervasive thing. Also, a lot of us can learn how to sort-of-kind-of pass. It's also important to remember that 'mindblindness'-style non-empathetic social deficits is only part of the condition. Sometimes, especially if they've learned to pass or if you have defective A-Dar (autism radar), it takes knowing a person well to see it.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 09:30 AM
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A common myth, but a false one- there is little substantial evidence, beyond stereotype, of widespread false self-diagnosis. This is sort of like claiming that people with learning disabilities are just claiming it to have an excuse for failing to learn math. Also, if people have persistent, Asperger-like social shortcomings, that's probably a good sign they might be on the spectrum. Believe it or not, Asperger's is actually a pretty damn good 'excuse' for the symptoms of Asperger's, in the same…
/r/MensRights01/07/12 09:28 AM
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I like that, by spergy becoming popular, we can start using Ass Burgers as an affectionate and positive thing, because I've always wanted to do that.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 09:25 AM
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The standard answer is that the men all being in-shape Adonises represents a male fantasy, not a female fantasy, and does not place pressure on men. The evidence for this position is.... basically nonexistent.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 09:23 AM
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Also, straight up ableist bullshit. I'm autistic, and I don't appreciate my mind being used as an insult to cast on other people. I like my mind. My mind kick ass.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 08:51 AM
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http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19981117.html
/r/MensRights25/06/12 11:31 AM
1

Meh. When I made my anti-Bachmann propaganda, I chose an actual caricature. That's how it works. I've never in my life used a flattering picture of Bush for anything.
/r/MensRights25/06/12 11:21 AM
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Again, by Clinton's logic here, yes.
/r/MensRights25/06/12 11:18 AM
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Her words were delivered at a speech on worldwide domestic violence, in El Salvador.
/r/MensRights25/06/12 11:18 AM
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Full speech: http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19981117.html
/r/MensRights25/06/12 11:16 AM
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Um... Sinfest has had an explicitly feminist message for a long time, dude. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4299 http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4290 http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4289 http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4286 http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4283 http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4282 http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4275 http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4274 …
/r/MensRights24/06/12 10:30 PM
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By this same logic, the burqa is sexist against men because it exists to control over-active male sexuality or something. That's stupid logic. The burqa oppresses women. Cutting off bits of men's penises oppresses men.
/r/MensRights24/06/12 10:15 PM
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Oh, it's this troll.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 02:56 AM
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Yeah, more or less, though I'd say there's a variety of reasons men abstain from telling a woman that they're interested in them; it could be insecurity, awkwardness, lack of experience, ignorance about how one goes about that, any number of things beyond turmoil over being seen as engaging in objectification.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 12:27 AM
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We need to teach our children to respect people, and to know they deserve this respect to be reciprocated. ^ The proper way
/r/MensRights22/06/12 11:03 PM
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My stance on meat tends to be that, as an adult and as a man, I am called on to be a responsible person. Eating meat is often but not always socially and ecologically irresponsible when one considers the production process and effects, especially in terms of wasted cropland and the harms caused by the intense production of feed grains and concentrated feeding of livestock it takes to raise most (but not all) meat. There's also a responsibility to one's own body, and eating excessive meat can be …
/r/MensRights22/06/12 10:34 PM
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Yeah, it is kind of absurd that the article is basically attacking men who make an effort for body acceptance as being condescending. It reminds me that Hank Williams song, "Please Make Up Your Mind" That said, this article doesn't use Nice Guy the way most critics do. I'm pretty sure the criticism most articles I've seen on the topic (like the one at Heartless Bitches International or Geek Feminism Wiki), isn't that they're throwing away they're manhood to cater to women, but that they act enti…
/r/MensRights22/06/12 10:23 PM
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What if you're a dude on the [autism] spectrum who realizes that, all the issues MGTOWs cite aside, dating is more trouble than it's worth because it relies on a degree of social wizardry that you're not willing to spend time (which which you could be doing more enjoyable and beneficial things) on it? Such a person would be abstaining from dating, but would not be doing it for any of the reasons listed by MGTOWs- would they be called one, or simply an abstainer of a different variety? Does the M…
/r/MensRights22/06/12 10:13 PM
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Eh, if it floats your boat, go ahead and do it; nobody can force you to date. Best of luck.
/r/MensRights22/06/12 10:08 PM
0

Which has to do with feminism.... how?
/r/MensRights22/06/12 05:52 PM
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I have no problem with background checks for jobs that have people working with kids. I went through one at my last job, giving school groups tours of the woods.
/r/MensRights22/06/12 09:41 AM
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What does feminism have to do with it? The results, as Cracked said, were likely to do with social pressure to overstate or understate sexual partners.
/r/MensRights22/06/12 09:37 AM
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The ad doesn't say anything about being more like a lesbian. The ad says to win at sports. Most of the successful athletic women I know are, like most women, not lesbian. Shockingly, it could even be that sports and sexual orientation have nothing to do with each other.
/r/MensRights19/06/12 11:51 PM
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The writer evidently conflates predation with sexuality.
/r/MensRights19/06/12 11:49 PM
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I've seen that ad. It's not sexual. It's sports. If that was sexual, then I must be a raging homosexual for all the times I sized up my opponent between rounds to see how tired he was, or watched him from across the mat during warm ups to see how he moved. Sports are physical. People's bodies are involved. That doesn't make it about sex.
/r/MensRights19/06/12 11:49 PM
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Dude, the guy walked in on this scumbag raping his child, and still had it in his heart to even call 9/11 and try to save the guy's life after using the force he thought, in the moment, was necessary to stop the rape of his child. Justice has been served here; this man should not be in prison.
/r/MensRights19/06/12 11:47 PM
1

I can't relate a similar experience. My program does require one gender class, but gender is only one of the four things it covers (the rest are food systems, global trade, and the environment). The gender portion, like any mention of gender in any of my other classes, was explicitly related to the other topics- we covered the place of changing gender roles in the demographic transition, the gendered aspects of third world food insecurity, and the gender roles in the traditional rural communitie…
/r/MensRights19/06/12 06:51 AM
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Yes.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 08:44 PM
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Is it meant to imply that women normally do all the parenting, or is it meant to honor all the single mothers who do all the parenting due to a lack of a father in the house? Because I wished my old man a happy Mother's Day on Mother's Day.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 08:43 PM
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Eh, to be fair, the fact that there were women leading a rebellion doesn't mean that women weren't, in day to day life, treated poorly. I mean, the Arab Spring has a ton of women leaders- but are women treated well in Egypt, where they're undergoing military-imposed 'virginity tests'? Are women treated well in Yemen or Saudi Arabia? The role of somebody in a rebel force does not always or even often accurately reflect the role of a group in a society.
/r/MensRights16/06/12 05:18 PM
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How is this 'fighting back'? Why do people consider the 'tropes against women' thing to have been an attack on men in the first place? The project proposed in the link here may indeed have some good insights and is probably worth doing, but this isn't a battle.
/r/MensRights15/06/12 01:13 PM
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Who said it? Men? Women? Feminists? Masculists?
/r/MensRights14/06/12 08:48 PM
2

Eh, they might be open to it- have you asked? Have you discussed the splitting of domestic duties in a family with a feminist?
/r/MensRights14/06/12 09:53 AM
2

The feminists with whom I have spoken on the issue, tend to tell me that they just wish men would shoulder more domestic duties for a more even split.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 08:11 AM
2

My school had a poster campaign that included several examples of male victims of both sexual assault and relationship abuse, with both male and female abusers. Our other anti-rape campaigns also were gender-inclusive, including pictures of women holding signs that say, "I can take no for an answer". I do not recall any videos about sexual assault being mandatory when I matriculated. For the record, there have been 5 forcible sexual assaults and 0 non-forcible sexual assaults on the campus from …
/r/MensRights14/06/12 05:57 AM
3

The real question we could ask here is: Why do we still have a system, in which men are expected to earn the majority of the income once children arrive while women stay with the children? How does this system and the values implicit in reinforce other values and other systems, such as the widespread assumption in family courts that women are the more vital parent? In what ways can couples more equitably share parenting and earning opportunities, or at very least provide more options for working…
/r/MensRights14/06/12 05:38 AM
3

Eh, it's not really funny. It talks about women's violence, then has a huge arrow pointing to movies about violence, with the message that these movies should be bought for fathers. That's a really unfortunate mistake that sends, unintentionally, a pretty morbid message about men.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 05:25 AM
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Oh, r/MR- where evidence that women face problems is seen as an attack on men.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 05:24 AM
1

Meh. I've grown up with two feminist sisters and attended so many feminist reading groups and discussions that GWST majors keep asking me which one of their professors is my adviser and why they never see me in class, and by and large, at least in my experience in these feminist circles in the upper midwest, 'men' have not been cast as the enemy so much as 'sexism and double standards'. Even in those feminist groups that explicitly state that patriarchy is the problem and name it patriarchy, you…
/r/MensRights12/06/12 08:41 PM
6

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said the thing about it implying a one way street.
/r/MensRights12/06/12 01:10 PM
80

'Men have no right to put women down' Hold up. I agreed with all the 'no right to be a violent ass to people' thing, but what the hell is this? You have the right to put someone down. It's mean and usually stupid, but it's something you can do. Sorry, nitpicking and missing the point. Anyway, yeah, this pamphlet seems to perpetuate the myth that violence is a one-way street insofar as gender goes, which sucks.
/r/MensRights12/06/12 10:18 AM
27

There do, admittedly, seem to be segments of the feminist community who hold the idea that the modern discussion on masculinity should focus on ways men should change to benefit women, as opposed to challenging issues that affect and hurt men (not there isn't sometimes overlap there). There's also a larger group (probably a majority) who are of the opinion that MRAs are, by and large, opponents of feminism and women's rights- an opinion which seemingly sparks reactions like this, which drives MR…
/r/MensRights12/06/12 09:55 AM
12

I agree; point me to some and I'll get on that.
/r/MensRights12/06/12 02:08 AM
101

I want to start off by saying I agree 100% that gay-shaming is wrong, and that we need to stop forcing gender roles on men through homophobia, 'emasculation', and gender policing. I agree with that 100%. I just gotta ask, though- why mentioned slut shaming? Why attack the idea that slut shaming is wrong? Why call those who recognize that slut shaming is wrong, "feminazis" and "white knights"? Just because gay bashing is wrong, doesn't make slut shaming not wrong somehow. They both suck, and it's…
/r/MensRights12/06/12 12:26 AM
3

Zerglings make me happy.
/r/MensRights12/06/12 12:03 AM
0

As far as I can tell, the objections to shared parenting was an objection to mandatory shared parenting, and the changes to VAWA included disenfranchising tons of undocumented immigrants from services. I don't see how either of those help men.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 05:43 PM
2

No, that idea doesn't fly here- note the downvoting I got for suggesting such blasphemy.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 07:47 AM
-1

Look. What metric would convince you? Because frankly, at a certain point, talking to diehard antifeminists becomes like talking to a brick wall.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 07:45 AM
-2

I never said to make it your primary goal, but if strawmanning me is the only way to keep yourself from hearing anything but what you want to hear, go ahead.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 07:34 AM
-3

Dude, just do yourself a favor and spend, like, one month being a regular poster on a feminist forum, or going to a feminist discussion group, without trying to turn everything into a conflict. You just might get along with them better than you think.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 06:24 AM
0

Eh, speaking from years of contact and involvement in the feminist movement, I think you've got that backwards.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 04:26 AM
-8

Well, you can try to avoid the misogyny, anti-feminism (based largely on hugely misinformed ideas about feminism), and regressive traditionalism that some in the MRM project. A critique of male gender roles that recognizes that liberation isn't a zero-sum game, and that embraces an actual liberation of all people from the confines of gender roles, may be well received by many people.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 12:32 AM
3

Give, and ask her to give to a prostate cancer organization- they need it bad.
/r/MensRights01/06/12 04:16 AM
3

No; nor do you need her consent for a vasectomy. People own their own bodies.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 06:56 AM
1

I think that material conditions tend to be a major factor in most cultural changes- culture can push for changes in itself, and sometimes wins them, but material conditions are usually important, and the article clearly demonstrated the role of material conditions. I have to ask- is there anything wrong with what the 'grass eating men' are doing? They're not acting 'masculine' enough? Why should anyone police their gender?
/r/MensRights30/05/12 03:33 AM
1

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/u2c15/why_maleonmale_violence_matters/
/r/MensRights30/05/12 01:19 AM
3

Michigan Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence, help resources http://www.mcadsv.org/help/index.php
/r/MensRights30/05/12 01:18 AM
-1

I think everyone everywhere should be insulted by that ball of unfortunate implications.
/r/MensRights30/05/12 01:08 AM
2

It's silly, but I doubt there'd be much outrage if you made a version with the female characters- though I'm not sure what you'd use against them, other than Belle's Stockholm Syndrome and Ariel's stalking and hoarding. The princesses in a lot of these movies are pretty cool characters because they're sort of Mary Sues- quite a few (but certainly not all) Disney movies are aimed towards the 'Disney Princess' thing and the protagonist princesses have to be exemplary people for that. Actually, for…
/r/MensRights30/05/12 01:06 AM
1

I ain't sayin' that's my logic- there's a lot of ambiguity in consent. I feel that, when I am drunk, I have more than enough ability to consent or not. There are probably some other people who might not handle it as well as I am. I'm not dictating what is and is not a legitimate state to consent- it probably varies from person to person, and it is the legal system's unenviable position to dictate where to draw the line- it tends to err on the side of caution in drawing it, which is annoying for …
/r/MensRights30/05/12 12:42 AM
3

You might want to read up on what actually happened to the Japanese economy, instead of scapegoating women and workers. Unions in Japan, by the way, were essential to the arrangement of long-term job security that kept the earlier model of Japanese high-spending masculinity in place. The Japanese economy crashed in the 90s from out of control and reckless speculation, and has since experienced a transition that much of the developed world has been experiencing with the rise of globalization. htt…
/r/MensRights29/05/12 11:21 PM
3

Meh, the article pretty clearly noted that the phenomena had more to do with the economic conditions.
/r/MensRights29/05/12 10:46 PM
1

Nope- who's that?
/r/MensRights29/05/12 10:42 PM
5

Ah, the use of vegetarianism as an insult to 'masculinity' (on the part of those accusing these men of being 'grass eaters'). I wrote a whole editorial on that once, actually, when I was being shamed for it. Is there something wrong with eating a plant-rich diet? It's very healthy, and environmentally responsible as well (consider the extra farmland, fertilizer, pesticide, water pollution, CAFO air pollution, etc devoted to growing feed for cattle- it would preserve habitat and use less resource…
/r/MensRights29/05/12 10:41 PM
1

The last time there was any major hearing in this country over conscription, NOW and other feminist organizations were right there, opposing conscription. So, you can take your paranoid 'feminists are out to get me' conspiracism and shove it.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 05:29 PM
9

Once again, though I seem to have to mention this every single time conscription is mentioned- the official position of NOW, the nation's most prominent feminist organization, is anti-war, anti-male-only-conscription, and anti-male-only-combat-service, as has been, officially, since the early 70s.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 05:51 AM
2

Everyone's met the femitheist; she's been posted to r/mensrights repeatedly.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 12:35 AM
0

Never intentionally- the state tacks it onto voter registration, which I was unaware of while registering.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 12:33 AM
0

Well, the conversation is all recorded here, so you can tell for yourself what I said- I said I burned my draft card publicly and have not been punished.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 12:31 AM
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It's plausible that the government has a record of my registration, which in my state happens automatically when you register to vote, but is unaware that I publicly burned my own records thereof.
/r/MensRights27/05/12 11:35 PM
2

I say this not to discount your own experiences and feelings, but rather to contrast them with mine- I do not feel particularly 'dirty' unless I have actually done something that is legitimately an awful thing that someone should feel guilty about. Normally, I am clean of conscience and do not feel 'dirty'. Again, this is not to disregard that your experiences and feelings may be different- I am only speaking of my own.
/r/MensRights27/05/12 10:29 PM
2

Femtheist is either a troll, satire, or a nutcase- nobody's sure which. Her assertion that all of these make a person a rapist is, of course, over the top. As for the list- the overwhelming majority of stuff on that list actually is sexual harassment, and if we have 'all' done that stuff, then we've got some problems.
/r/MensRights27/05/12 10:23 PM
4

I have, and received them.
/r/MensRights27/05/12 10:03 PM
3

Seriously, I publicly burned my draft card and nobody's punished me for it yet.
/r/MensRights27/05/12 09:44 PM
1

Those expectations are changing, and it would behoove us to challenge the gender roles underlying them, so as to encourage their swifter change- they are restrictive and stifling roles.
/r/MensRights27/05/12 09:08 PM
-4

Quick questions: Why are MRM forums so hung up on this issue? Are MRAs regularly resorting to getting women drunk to have sex with them? Is the inability to have sex with people who are drunk, a serious threat to men?
/r/MensRights27/05/12 08:05 PM
2

From the level of anger she was exhibiting, I would infer that the courtship attempts were less than entirely civil; it's OK to be fed up with people making crude comments about your body, or persistently coming on to you despite your telling them you're uninterested, or otherwise harassing you about it. We don't know the exact circumstances of her anger and I acknowledge that my conjectures could be wrong, but if she, personally, wants to tell any person hitting on her to stop, that is her prer…
/r/MensRights27/05/12 08:02 PM
6

No; no more than signs for people in wheelchairs offend me. Pregnant women are often legitimately in need of accommodation.
/r/MensRights26/05/12 09:21 PM
1

'Every third rate artist has in his repertoire the image of “Madonna and Child.”' Ha, my second woodcut this year, which I just finished. To be fair, I had preceded it with a much, much larger, more detailed, more grand one of the Christ, positioned like a beggar, with the passage Matthew 25:31-46 cited- I was creating these for the local Catholic Worker house that just opened. I've got one more to go, though I think I'll return to making things for them when I've gone through my list of current…
/r/MensRights26/05/12 09:11 AM
2

This may be of use: http://www.peopleskillsdecoded.com/nice-guy-syndrome/
/r/MensRights26/05/12 05:53 AM
1

Have you tried telling these girls that you like them, and asking them out on dates, or have you just hung around 'being nice' and expecting their affection to fall out of the sky for you?
/r/MensRights26/05/12 05:44 AM
0

We've all said things we regretted, but this narrative that this guy's stated is something I've seen again and again, and, moreover, the sheer level of vitriol in his narrative indicates to me that there may be more underlying and pervasive attitudes of his showing through. I don't think the blogger is judging all men from that one guy. She says: "One of the worst outcomes of the “but I’m a good guy” phenomenon is that it overshadows the many, many men who don’t think this way and instead realiz…
/r/MensRights26/05/12 12:40 AM
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The man in the post certainly didn't seem like a 'good' or 'nice' person. A good person values friendship, and doesn't devalue it just because it's not sex. Every time I hear someone complaining that people want to be their friends, I feel like saying "Yeah, I hate friendship! God, it sucks!" A good person doesn't go around doing 'nice' things only because they expect sex in return. Nice things are nice because they're done without expectation of 'repayment'. When I make someone's dinner because…
/r/MensRights25/05/12 11:34 PM
0

I'm just saying- I've heard this gospel, this mantra, that women are after 'bad boys' and 'jerks', and I don't see it- most of the guys I know who are romantically active and successful are nice, interesting, charming young men. Assertive and confident, yes, but not 'jerks'. The jerks I know are mostly not very successful at dating. I'm not saying this is the universal pattern, but it is my lived experience.
/r/MensRights25/05/12 10:48 PM
0

Do women actually choose "bad boys" IRL? I have not observed this to be the case in my lived experience.
/r/MensRights25/05/12 06:29 PM
2

I'm banned from SRS and an active contributor to antisrs
/r/MensRights24/05/12 07:57 PM
3

They do, but they really shouldn't- I especially find it annoying that so many people claim that the black community doesn't 'get riled up' over black-on-black violence, as it's demonstrably untrue. But, yeah, people should not be bringing it up to deflect from white-on-back violence.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 07:54 PM
11

Well, it's RadFem- they're known for making womyn's-only spaces and womyn-born-womyn-only spaces. It's.... problematic, but there's not much hope on reaching common ground on the issue.
/r/MensRights23/05/12 07:36 AM
2

This is in very poor taste and is unbecoming to any group that aims to champion gender equality in any form. It is not only extremely sexist, but riddled with misinformation and fallacies. It is not an impressive picture nor does it help anyone.
/r/MensRights23/05/12 07:32 AM
1

Well, there are songs about being abusive to women, as others have cited, though they might get condemned a bit more often. I will say, that I never listened to the lyrics of that song until a few months ago, really until I was with a group of friends at a dorm shared by some of the women in the group; someone was going through youtube videos and chose that one. Having grown up in an abusive mother with borderline personality disorder (basically the "I'm going to hurt you now but don't abandon m…
/r/MensRights23/05/12 06:22 AM
15

If this is true, it would be more a case of 'why mechanics are awesome'.
/r/MensRights22/05/12 05:11 PM
1

Well, this post asserting that she made such a threat is a start; you can document that the threat was made and you can tell one or more people you know that such a threat was made. Why is she threatening you with false police reports?
/r/MensRights22/05/12 08:59 AM
2

That... sounds like sexual assault. He was drunk and it sounds like he didn't expect it, nor did he consent.
/r/MensRights22/05/12 08:54 AM
2

I know everyone hates the tone argument, but seriously, calling Roger Ebert a lesbian and using his wife's skin color as an insult? Not classy. I'm neither supporting or disparaging his central message with this comment. I'm just saying, those sort of attacks are not going to help his case.
/r/MensRights22/05/12 06:52 AM
3

I dunno, it does kind of come off as a 'be gentle with them' sort of thing. If you go back to the post where they were arguing it was sexism against women, I'm sure they've probably enunciated a perspective on how it seems patronizing to them.
/r/MensRights22/05/12 06:45 AM
2

No. Believe me, I know a lot of sexually frustrated women. The study you're talking about may be true, but not every woman is attractive, charismatic, confident, and out trolling for sex from 'average' dudes. Lord, the number of nights I've sat around in the dorms hearing girls complain about being single. One would suspect that many women are having just as much trouble as men. After all, I'm sure many people here have been hit on by a woman at least once and turned her down. Women aren't induc…
/r/MensRights22/05/12 06:10 AM
4

Once more, putting women on a pedestal (in this case, by assuming their incompetence) is both unfair to men and insulting to women.
/r/MensRights22/05/12 05:46 AM
5

False; you may go on their website and read their conference statements. They clearly state that NOW opposes all conscription, but would demand female conscription if the draft was to be put into action again. 1971- NOW condemns the sexist basis for compulsory military service. http://www.now.org/issues/military/policies/war.html 1980- BE IT RESOLVED, that NOW opposes the reinstatement of registration and draft for both men and women. NOW's primary focus on this issue is on opposition to registr…
/r/MensRights20/05/12 07:43 AM
1

Not that I've seen, nope.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 11:19 PM
1

Heh, trying to find anything there I disagree with now; it's always hard to have a discussion when you're basically in agreement.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 10:55 PM
2

Well, in the name of socialist post-Second-Wave gender deconstruction, I'll check it out.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 10:49 PM
1

I think the Nice Guy Shaming is mostly against the 'nice guys finish last' narratives, though, isn't it?
/r/MensRights19/05/12 10:27 PM
2

Actually, I explicitly stated that it was, on the whole, more harmful to men, but my point is that this gender role, like pretty much all gender roles, sucks for everyone in greater or lesser degrees.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 09:14 PM
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Several things should be noted in this discussion. One is that combat roles are being increasingly integrated both de facto and de jur in the US military. Another is that male-only conscription and male-only combat duty has been repeatedly denounced by the National Organization for Women (though admittedly, it isn't a front-burner issue for them and they've prioritized other issues for funding). But, yeah, this gender role is all-around harmful. It teaches men that we're disposable fodder for th…
/r/MensRights19/05/12 08:48 PM
3

True; lemme search real quick for 'relationship advice for girls' and see what I get. ... well, it's not a very scientific way of doing things, but a quick browse didn't reveal much about how girls should treat boys, which is admittedly troubling. Weirdly, searching both for advice for girls and advice for boys, a found a disturbing profusion of 'nice guys finish last/girls like jerks' stuff, which is all kinds of awful (for example, assuming that guys with dating success must be 'jerks' or that…
/r/MensRights19/05/12 07:20 PM
1

Yeah, that guy needs to give his reproductive organs a break. Goddamn.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 07:13 PM
5

That sounds like it might be right, but on the other hand, I can google stuff like "How to treat your boyfriend" and quite a bit of advice for women comes up.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 07:09 PM
1

There's so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start. I mean, besides the sexism, some of the national stereotypes are just terrible.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 04:55 AM
33

Huh. What 'journalistic integrity'
/r/MensRights18/05/12 01:16 AM
2

We have nuclear bombs and are building a missile defense system; even assuming that our military-glorifying culture and insane defense spending wouldn't summon up the troops and gear to fight if we ever had an existential threat on our hands (and assuming that we wouldn't be volunteering in such a case- I sure as heck would), the likelihood of such an existential threat ever appearing is ridiculously small. We haven't been invaded in any meaningful way since 1812 and we currently have an arsenal…
/r/MensRights17/05/12 08:58 AM
4

Seriously. When the government doesn't have to worry about whether they can get people to voluntarily risk their lives to go off and kill other people for some cause, they're not going to worry about whether that cause is something worth volunteering for.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 07:29 AM
4

I don't think adding women is anywhere near achievable- the specter of adding women was one of the big things people like Schlafly used to get people to vote down the ERA. I think ending conscription would be much easier, not to mention the obvious fact that it's much, much more moral. People generally dislike conscription and it's probably only still around because there is no draft and no real expectation of one starting, so people don't devote resources to ending it. But, I think you'd find a…
/r/MensRights17/05/12 07:25 AM
1

Not a gender issue, really- more like a general sense of entitlement issue. She's not suing for gender discrimination, but for the alleged failure of the school to provide services paid for (which is ridiculous, because she apparently didn't do her class work). A person suing because they squandered their expensive private education is ridiculous.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 07:19 AM
16

I'm no lawyer, but it seems like your case can be helped by the testimony of the friends who saw her begin to strike you, by any evidence of her striking you (photographs of your injuries, doctor's reports, anything), and by remembering to keep your narrative of events consistent. Since you are posting online, I am assuming (but not knowing) that you are out of jail. If you have a place to stay other than anywhere near her, I would suggest doing that. I'll let people with better legal experience…
/r/MensRights17/05/12 07:15 AM
4

I saw a link to this blog on r/feminism. I do believe the feminists condemned it there. Remember, this woman is part of a very angry fringe. Her views are not the same as the views of liberal/mainstream feminism.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 07:08 AM
0

Well, there's a lot of this in the world of super-radical feminism. I just was over on r/feminism and saw a blog similar to this being roundly condemned by the mainstream feminists there.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 07:01 AM
1

Most feminists actually condemn chivalry, and most that I've met oppose the idea that men shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves (you can cherrypick at a site like radfem to make it seem otherwise, but most mainstream feminist communities would stand by self-defense). Rights aren't zero-sum. Standing up for your right not to be hit, and treating people like equals, is not inimical to any form of feminism worth its salt.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 01:31 AM
1

I'd actually have no problem with this, if it applied to all single parents. This is why we need an equal rights amendment.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 01:24 AM
2

Not addressing the rest right now, because I'm still soaking in information, but... doesn't labeling the men 'seducers' sort of deny the women's agency? Women aren't naive beings getting tricked into sex by wily and eeevil men. Who's to say who 'seduced' who? Who's to say it's not more likely that maybe, just maybe, these working class men and working class women didn't 'seduce' each other, but (shockingly) both really wanted to have sex?
/r/MensRights17/05/12 01:14 AM
1

I... guess that whenever I'm the first to the door, and anybody is within a reasonable distance behind me, I hold the door open and they go through first. Everyone around here does hat.
/r/MensRights16/05/12 06:44 PM
1

Actually, A History Maker was written by Alasdair Gray, a man who is not known to identify as a feminist from what I could find of him. Gender does seem to be a recurring theme in some of his works, though. As for Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, I haven't read it, but I think Lisbeth is a repeated childhood rape victim, which would probably put it automatically out of the running for anyone's dream.
/r/MensRights16/05/12 04:39 AM
1

The Judge Rotenberg Center. As for how it's legal... I have no idea. The place needs to be shut down.
/r/MensRights16/05/12 04:28 AM
18

I don't know why door holding is still seen as so gendered. Maybe I grew up in a weird place, but we were always taught to hold a door for everyone, no matter their gender. I've held doors open for men and women, and they've held doors open for me. I've very rarely met one of these people who only holds it open for one sex (I've heard about such people, but never seen it happen), and I've never seen one of the famous stock stories about the straw feminist who blows up when you open a door actual…
/r/MensRights16/05/12 04:16 AM
3

Well, from your synopsis, I can say that the premise seems to rely on men being worse caretakers and teachers than women, which is essentialist and which we could probably demonstrate to be false. Also, on the premise that women wouldn't enjoy extreme ritual warfare, which judging by the following The Hunger Games has gotten, seems like a flawed position.
/r/MensRights16/05/12 04:01 AM
2

As an added treat, this video's been shared by Feministing, and possibly other feminist blogs. Which is cool, because, you know, fighting stereotypes.
/r/MensRights16/05/12 03:56 AM
5

Full quote: "How can a system be fair when a white boy is 2.4 times more likely to be excluded than a white girl, a white boy with special educational needs is 30 times more likely to be excluded than a white girl without them, when a poor white boy with special educational needs is 60 times more likely to be excluded from school than a richer white girl without them, when a poor black boy with special educational needs is 168 times more likely to be excluded from school than a richer white girl…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 11:30 PM
2

I was just going to say be respectful because with few exceptions, everyone deserves respect, but that, too.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 05:21 PM
3

It should be noted that a growing number of 'sex positive' feminists actually take a very nuanced view towards sex work that generally does not attack sex workers or even necessarily the Johns who hire them. But, I really don't have the time to outline the whole of the discourse of the 80s feminist sex wars right now, so I'd encourage readers to do some independent research into that.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 05:20 PM
2

This is good; challenging the stereotype that nurturing is a gender-exclusive trait. I remember I was watching LinkTV the other day (hey, I was brought up in a family that votes DFL and goes to Unitarian Fellowship- I like my LinkTV), and it being Mother's Day, they had a show on about the Great Mother of spirituality (LinkTV gets pretty New Age-y sometimes) and how religion and kindness flowed the from the mothers, which I found a bit heavy-handed, maybe in part because of my experience with my…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 05:12 PM
6

This is what I've found. Even at its kindest, it's a patronizing, infantilizing attitude. At its worse it's downright hateful and abusive.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 05:00 PM
6

I've shared them in the self-advocate community, but frankly, there are so many similar stories there that it's nothing special or new. Like I said, my experience wasn't the only one. We already campaign against the attitudes that caused this, but we haven't got much funding, and allegations brought by students from a half decade ago with no documentation are hard to build a campaign on, even when there are tons of similar allegations. Right now, a lot of activism in the self-advocate community …
/r/MensRights15/05/12 04:54 PM
5

Indeed. Professors in the GWST department at my university encourage this discussion. I've heard them remark not only that it is encouraging when someone addresses male experiences in the classroom, but also that they found my presence in the feminist discussion group (as the sole male) refreshing. Just remember to listen as well as talk.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 04:43 PM
24

Well, if anything, it does show how the balance of power in a situation shapes gendered behavior.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 04:42 PM
46

Well, I was in special education for my high school years, so I always was watched. I had a paraprofessional following me around to report on my moves, and she'd answer to the special ed teacher, and she'd report to my mother, and my mother would report back to the teacher, so there was a constant loop of information and surveillance going on. It really wore down my nerves. They always knew what you were doing, what troubles you had, how to bring them up- and you never wanted them to, because yo…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:53 AM
1

D'aaaaaaaw. I wished my old man a happy mother's day, too. Well, I did it in an awkward, roundabout way, because we're rural Minnesotan men and we don't say certain things, but yeah.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:41 AM
3

Well, my mother was abusive, but I wouldn't call her a feminist. I never knew her to express strong feminist sentiments, and her marriage to my father was very traditional- she quit her job and became a housewife in the country. The feminists in my family were and remain my sisters, who bore the brunt of her abuse (my mother stopped hitting us boys when we got big enough to make her afraid of us hitting back), and my sisters were always the most nurturing to me out of anybody in the family, and …
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:32 AM
3

That sentence does seem strangely light. I mean, I'm no fan of prison in general, but if you're going to use one, have some consistency in sentencing.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:26 AM
0

I am a little concerned, though- here in the States, the Pro-Family crowd is also the most virulently homophobic. Is the Russian conception of family open to gay rights? It is this same Putin who praises the family (as well family- all manner of family- deserve praise), who also oversees a very anti-GLBT government. I hope that the rhetoric of family in Russia does not become perverted there the way it has here, where the word 'Family' is used to attack families like my own (and my lovely GLBT r…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:23 AM
18

Go for it. Next time it happens, go for it, but remember to be calm and respectful while you do so, and to focus intently on the issue at hand, not veer off into other gender issues. If the teacher wants to go back to the lesson, don't obstruct the flow of the class, but bring it up.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:18 AM
3

No, skank is the equivalent of whore or slut. Creep means an undesirable, possibly threatening, possibly pathetic person. Different connotations.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:15 AM
2

I think I have, but I can't remember a specific instant. 'Creeper', maybe, but not creep. Creeping and acting creepy, as others have said, but I don't recall specifically 'creep'. The creep discussion I keep seeing popping up leaves me all conflicted (but then, I'm a very conflicted person in general). I was standoffish earlier today about 'creep', but I think I should be rethinking it a bit. On the one hand, I've seen it misused- I've seen people who were seemingly being well within their appro…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 08:14 AM
7

Did you speak up, in class, about the double standard?
/r/MensRights15/05/12 07:55 AM
31

Wait, 'women's psychology'? They need a separate class for... eh, whatever, I'm not a psych major, I don't know. Anyway, yeah, that's a pretty clear double standard. What the heck? The whole 'calling dibs' system is kind of messed up beyond the obvious objectification bit- what if the person dibbed on has eyes for someone else than the person who 'dibbed' them? It's just a weird way of doing things. But, then again, I'm not a very social person or a very dating-wise person, so take it with a gra…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 07:42 AM
1

I didn't ask for your pity, so don't give it to me. I need drugs, not pity. I do propose a single-payer health care system. It works. It works in Canada, it works in the UK, and it works in every other damned place. I've taken a good, long, hard look at Europe. They beat us in education, they beat us in in life expectancy, and their working class is better off than ours. I like Europe. The Eurozone crisis wasn't caused by health insurance. Besides, we could cut our military spending and raise ta…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:58 AM
1

But we do go without health care without government helping, and capitalism doesn't solve that. Why do you assume the government won't provide health care with a health care plan? Every other nation that has a health care service uses it to provide health care. Name one developed country that collects taxes for a universal health care system but then fails to provide. Just one. Oh, and I love how you assume the flow of wealth here is one-way. You've never benefited from services, public goods, c…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:41 AM
1

Getting medical care at an ER makes all of our bills higher already, not to mention wastes the time of the ER. People shouldn't be going to the ER for things that aren't ER-worthy, and shouldn't be waiting until it is ER-worthy to get treatment. The former burdens the ER that should be focusing on more important things, and the latter perpetuated suffering and wastes resources- a stitch in time saves nine. I suffer from an anxiety disorder. I can't get the medication my doctor prescribed me, whi…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:32 AM
1

"War victims have had a terribly tragedy brought upon them by an outside source that has taken away everything they hold dear." So do cancer victims. So do people who lose everything because the economy decides to take a nosedive. Not every poor person is poor by choice- not everyone has ultimate control over their own economic conditions. People can get laid off after years of loyal hard work. "The helping hand that they receive helps them get their life back together." Getting access to educat…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:23 AM
1

So the point of government is to stop invasion and crime but ignore other threats to our lives and security because..... that's the point of government? Thanks, Captain Tautology.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:18 AM
2

Yes, that's so much worse than the American system, where all those excess people just aren't on the list at all. It's easy to avoid hospital overcrowding when a large portion of your population can't afford to live. Somehow, the lack of health insurance doesn't translate to lack of need, though. Oh well- it's not like they need their life for anything, right?
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:13 AM
1

Well, that is where we smuggle prescription drugs out of...
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:11 AM
1

I do believe the entire point of my last comment was to answer questions like that, so... I'm going to have to refer you back to it.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 01:10 AM
2

Because some people have been burdened with needs that others do not have, and despite all the feel-good platitudes about a 'thousand points of light' and how civil society will take care of it, the cold hard truth is that good will and charity doesn't do the job, and people end up without access to the things they need- even when those things could be provided if everyone chipped in a tiny amount. Beyond the simple fact of human dignity that calls us to ensure none go wanting of the basic needs…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 10:48 PM
3

I haven't read it, but it sounds interesting. Could you give a more detailed synopsis for those of us who haven't read it? What's the basic analysis it gives? What solutions does it suggest?
/r/MensRights14/05/12 09:53 PM
2

No, that's 'boxing on ice'.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 09:50 PM
3

Ah, my mistake- I don't know much about tennis and should have read the story in greater detail.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 09:49 PM
1

The comments on the HuffPo article on this is disappointingly full of trivializing sentiments and jokes about the victim.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 09:48 PM
12

Who in the hell robs a bank for the thrills?
/r/MensRights14/05/12 09:39 PM
2

Well, your solution to the problem seems to be 'tough shit, let those with greater needs fall through the cracks', so I guess we have different priorities. Mine is to ensure that people have the things they need- yours seems to be ensuring that people keep as much money to themselves as possible.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 09:01 PM
2

My argument has been and remains that we shouldn't have to pay the hiked fees for car insurance, so that's a dumb argument there. Also, you never answered my question- should we charge the parents of special needs children higher taxes because their kids use more services?
/r/MensRights14/05/12 08:44 PM
3

So... we're penalizing people for having needs? Should the parents of special needs kids be charged higher taxes to pay for services?
/r/MensRights14/05/12 08:28 PM
1

Perhaps, but outside of the upper middle class and the upper class, most people here can't afford to travel to France and arrange that.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 08:20 PM
2

Well, now it's sounding like you support getting rid of the discrimination in auto insurance but not in health insurance. So much for equality.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 08:19 PM
3

Hey, read the whole post before responding. I clearly condemned higher premiums for men, too.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 08:18 PM
3

Well, he should be bitching about it- I drive much less than the average woman, and drive much more safely than the average person, and I shouldn't be paying more based on my gender. Likewise, a woman might not go in constantly to the OB-GYN and might delay health visits like a man, or a man might go in for regular checkups and use the doctor quicker. Insurance companies are basing their decisions off of stereotypes and assuming to know the behavior of an individual consumer based solely on thei…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:55 PM
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Equal access to quality modern health care? You whacky socialists with your ideas of fairness and human dignity. Heh, I've been coping with anxiety and depression for years now without medication because the insurance company wouldn't cover the medicine my doctor prescribed me- they'd only cover a different medicine with humiliating and dangerous side effects (rapid weight gain and sexual dysfunction, for example). I couldn't stand the side effects, so I went cold turkey, fought through the with…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:52 PM
2

That said, thanks to women entering the workforce and women's careers being recognized as viable, we're seeing an increasing number of women paying alimony and child support to men. My father payed alimony to my mother, but only because they had inhabited traditional gender roles in marriage- my father did paid work and my mother did domestic work. If their marriage has been more feminist-egalitarian, and she had kept her job, there would be little or no alimony in the situation (maybe some, bec…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:47 PM
1

Eh, to be fair, this is a worthy cause and insurance premiums are higher for women in health care. But, men face insurance discrimination in other fields and face health problems of our own including lower life expectancy. It would be better to just have a 'National Health Week'. But, with women forming up to be a major voting force in the next election (what with the reproductive rights issue on the table, though since these are mostly state initiatives it seems like the real fight should be in…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:33 PM
2

It's based on whatever the insurance company can squeeze out of you; they must figure that women are higher risks (I'm not sure why, because we men die earlier- maybe women need more geriatric care?).
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:32 PM
8

I... don't need mammograms or an OB-gyn.... but I am mighty thankful that my father got a clean bill of health on his prostate exam and I wish prostate cancer go the same concern as breast cancer.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:31 PM
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Men are no more 'weenies' than women are 'pussies', and both terms need to stop being thrown around to silence people with legitimate complaints. Women do complain, and they should- there are legitimate things that women have to complain about, as there are legitimate things for men to complain about. While we can all think of a time when we've heard some petty or unjustified complaining, we should never promote the idea that it is shameful or wrong for a person to voice grievances or advocate f…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:21 PM
3

Hey, between this and Norway, it looks like a change might be welling up in the developed world on the issue. It'll be slow to come to the US, though.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:17 PM
1

How is it anything but a delusion? Feminists have repeatedly denounced chivalry and 'putting women on a pedestal'. The whole concept of chivalry is basically, 'women are frail, let's treat them like children'. It's insulting and it denies female agency and strength. Here's Jessica Valenti on chivalry: http://feministing.com/2010/03/31/mandating-chivalry-is-mandating-sexism/ If you don't believe me, go to r/AskFeminists and ask about chivalry.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:08 PM
10

Well, at least some country is taking action on it. Shame it had to wait so long for common sense to kick in. Nobody should have had to die for this.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:03 PM
1

Interesting delusion. Where did you get it?
/r/MensRights14/05/12 06:08 PM
1

Yes, they should (also, form a sex worker's union, expand opportunities outside of sex work, and investigate and crack down on human trafficking).
/r/MensRights14/05/12 04:09 AM
-2

Nobody's denying male sexuality. No, not even the eevil nightclubs who so oppressively bring together men, women, and booze.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 02:27 AM
1

I have yet to see any evidence that the one suffragists's actions were indicative of the official or stated position of any suffragist organization or of the suffragist movement. I do see that the modern feminist movement has condemned war and condemned the draft. Considering they were only founded in the mid-1960s and their early work was with reproductive rights, I'd say it's not that bad that they got around to an official national discussion of and statement on the draft by '72. Could they h…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 02:24 AM
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Ooh, someone's sore.
/r/MensRights13/05/12 11:59 PM
12

We..... already have a Father's Day. Are you going to turn that one into Parent Day, too?
/r/MensRights13/05/12 11:45 PM
1

Several highly influential leaders of the Civil Rights Movement opposed the Vietnam War. Was the Civil Rights Movement therefor an anti-Vietnam-War movement?
/r/MensRights13/05/12 11:43 PM
-14

Sexually frustrated young men seem convinced that 'not getting laid' is an issue of civil rights. It's funny. In a pathetic sort of way.
/r/MensRights13/05/12 11:40 PM
3

Actually, two very different things- most feminists are very, very opposed to chivalry. Chivalry is patronizing.
/r/MensRights13/05/12 11:38 PM
1

Except we can find only one example of a feminist being involved in it, and we know that it was not started by the feminist movement, so....
/r/MensRights13/05/12 11:36 PM
-1

NOW's first condemnation of male-only conscription was made during the Vietnam War, before the end of the draft, so... yeah. They reaffirmed that statement in at least two subsequent national declarations, including the one you found. As for the rest- I go on feminist sites frequently and rarely feel demonized or dehumanized. I will agree that more time could be spent in gender discussions talking about ways that gender roles hurt men, which is why my activities on those sites tends to be about …
/r/MensRights13/05/12 03:28 AM
4

Ukrainian prostitution is often coerced, and the prostitution would be providing more funds to the pimps doing that coercing, so....
/r/MensRights13/05/12 01:00 AM
3

A lot of the time, in the Ukraine, sex workers are coerced into it, so the situation is a bit more complicated than getting them education.
/r/MensRights13/05/12 12:59 AM
2

Feminist rank and file also don't write battle plans and lobby for war- if you want to make the claim that feminists are warmongering, you need to be able to back that up with something other than cherrypicked examples.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:55 PM
0

Then, ask them what they think, and then ask them why they don't do anything on it. But before you go around claiming that feminists support crap like invading Saudi Arabia, you should ask the feminist rank and file, not cherrypick one or two columns by feminist bloggers you found somewhere.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:51 PM
1

I can cite many feminists who call those so-called feminists a load of imperialists who bring shame on the movement. I can also cite Saudi feminists who don't take kindly to endorsements of invasion. There's diversity within the movement- the third wave especially is not fond of patronizing western attitudes. I think if you polled feminists as a whole, and asked them to endorse or not endorse an invasion of Saudi Arabia, they'd oppose it. But, you can find out for yourself- why not go over to r/…
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:47 PM
1

Well, there is no draft currently, so putting it on the back burner is pretty understandable- even the peace movement isn't actively trying to get rid of the draft. As for women in combat, they've released demands for it numerous times, and, now, women are being increasingly phased into combat roles. Now, I don't know why that decision was made or what went into it- I'm not a Pentagon insider or even a Washington insider. But, NOW's made calls and progress is being made. The point is, their posi…
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:38 PM
1

I'm just sick of it- I'm sick of being shouted down as 'politically correct' when I criticize conservatives for homophobia, and then shouted down as 'anti-Christian' or 'unpatriotic' when I touch any of their sacred elephants. It's hypocritical.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:30 PM
-2

'You women'? I have a penis, man. But, I've read your ranting on here before- there's no way anyone's going to convince you that NOW's repeatedly stated position on military service is actually their position. That would conflict with your worldview.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:29 PM
0

This is a thread about militarism, not child custody.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:25 PM
2

Florida: Where shooting a black kid for being in the wrong neighborhood is 'standing your ground' and firing a warning shot at a person physically attacking you is worthy of 20 years in prison.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 10:05 PM
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Not so striking, actually, as modern feminism, especially third wave feminism, is harshly critical of those gender roles. NOW, in fact, has issued statements demanding an end to male-only draft and male-only combat. Her attitude is emblematic of her own hypocrisy and internalized beliefs about gender.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 09:57 PM
1

Then perhaps we, the public, should educate ourselves.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 08:46 PM
1

Well, yes, this is why there's so much advertising geared towards women (and young, bachelor men). Women still do the 'double shift' thing, doing most of the domestic roles, and that includes most of the shopping for basic necessities. For example, when I was young, my father worked at a paying job, my mother worked in the home, and the shopping was done by the domestic parent. Later in my life, after the divorce (long story- my mother was an abusive lady and my father engaged in infidelity), my…
/r/MensRights12/05/12 08:42 PM
3

Why is there this myth that political correctness is some left-wing thing? Right-wingers get all huffy and puffy and outraged if I fail to give extra privilege and rights to the Christian religion that nobody else have, and assemble into veritable lynch mobs if I fail to kowtow in awe and reverence at anyone with any involvement in the armed forces. That sounds like political correctness to me.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 08:31 PM
2

It's only a double standard if a woman watching kids at a playground wouldn't be thought to be creepy if it was known none of those kids were hers. I don't know how people would react to that, so I can't tell if the stigma against it when done by a male is just paranoia, or gendered paranoia.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 08:25 PM
1

Doesn't look like- he's being serious :/
/r/MensRights12/05/12 08:21 PM
4

You have one example of one woman (and her 'supporters'- it does not specify whether these were supporters of suffragism or of warmongering), which you pulled off of Wikipedia, and are using it to claim there was widespread support by the feminist movement for the white feather campaign. That is intellectually dishonest.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 08:11 PM
0

I just addressed that so-called argument on the other comment thread.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 07:59 PM
4

That's a leading suffragette (I can give more than one example of suffragettes who were pacifists)- and one who was a blood-crazed warmonger who advocated conscripting everyone and everything for the war effort. Do you have any evidence that her insane bloodthirsty antics were motivated by suffrage or women's rights? A person can have more than one position, you know- if I'm an environmentalist who also thinks that modern art is terrible, that doesn't mean that the universal and integral environ…
/r/MensRights12/05/12 07:58 PM
2

Actually, the Order of the White Feather was started by Admiral Charles Fitzgerald. It was supported by Mary Augusta ward, a prominent anti-suffragist and champion of conservative Victorian 'values'- in other words, an anti-feminist. I can find no credible sources that assert any prominent feminist involvement in the Order of the White Feather or in the campaign.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 07:44 PM
10

Not everything women do is something that 'feminists' do. This is a fallacy I keep seeing popping up in the rhetoric of anti-feminists and, sadly, too many MRAs. For example, that whole 'feminists want equality but want men to pay for dinner' mantra. Feminists don't want men to pay for dinner, because it's patronizing, and feminists don't go around handing out white feathers to deliver a gendered insult of cowardice to men to pressure them into warfare. This claim would be tantamount to saying '…
/r/MensRights12/05/12 07:22 PM
1

NOW issued national conference resolutions for women to be treated equally in all regards in the military in 1971, 1980, and 1990. These included calls for an end to the draft, calls for women to be included in the draft it continued, an end to all sex discrimination within the services, and a call for women to be placed in combat roles. I will admit that I can find no active campaign to end conscription from NOW- presumably their priorities are things that still effect people's daily lives, whi…
/r/MensRights11/05/12 12:23 AM
1

It's wonderful, then, that I am not taking that extremely dangerous position, nor have I ever taken it.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 09:31 PM
1

Well, the second piece of advice is an inaccurate view on how rape works, since it's usually people the victim knows, not random dudes in random attacks in 'bad neighborhoods'. But, I don't think the makers of this thing are saying people shouldn't take measures to defend themselves. They're saying, at the end of the day, responsibility lies with perpetrators.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 09:31 PM
1

Either one you choose.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 02:54 PM
2

Indeed. Now, what would you typify as your view on the nature or function of romantic relationships?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 02:25 PM
2

Looks like it, yeah.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 02:20 PM
7

Again, I'm not denying that- I'm just saying that the point of this was probably to highlight that final responsibility lies with the perpetrator.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 02:15 PM
2

Alright- what approach do you recommend?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 02:12 PM
4

Well, when our theory does not conform with reality, it is our duty to change our theory to something that does.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 02:00 PM
3

The problem is that the Nice Guy is viewing this is a 'put in niceness coins, get sex' thing. Now, I understand dating difficulty- I understand it damn well, being both fugly and autistic. But, if your worldview on dating is 'what do I need to do to get sex?', that can be a problem. Even if it's an honest view of your own priorities, it can be a problem.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 01:52 PM
3

'Be yourself' is an unhelpful tautology. What it should mean is, 'be confident'. This is, of course, difficult for men that have had a string of failures. Unfortunately, there is no substitute for good old fashioned self confidence.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 01:49 PM
2

It's not the Nice Guy phenomena when you have a crush that you do nothing about. It's the Nice Guy phenomena when you do that, and then go around complaining that 'Women don't like nice guys like me, they only date jerks'. People do that all the time (I'm sure we've all run across way more examples than we need of it), which is why 'Nice Guy Syndrome' became a thing. It's not about the failure to act on the crush- it's about the misplaced blame and bitterness that follows.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 01:47 PM
0

Yes, this is a serious issue. What have you done recently to address it?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 12:39 PM
2

Not at all. Do you?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 12:36 PM
7

Hey, I'll agree. Not all tips are victim blaming. I'm just saying, I can understand the frustration that some anti-rape campaigners might feel that might drive them to make materials like this.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 11:38 AM
3

What was under the bed?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 11:31 AM
8

Well, I agree they do nothing- that's why I said I don't think anyone expects them to make any difference. They're political pieces, not practical advice, because the people who need to follow this advice obviously aren't going to, as you pointed out. As for me, as a man, I'm not getting that sick of posters like this. I don't feel any guilt or attack from this at all. But I recognize that you might and that your feelings on it are valid. That's a productive area of discussion that should be foc…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 11:29 AM
3

I hear it in discussions, on message boards, those sorts of places. If there's a woman who got raped, and someone posts something like 'Short skirt and tank top? Well, what did she expect, dressed like that?', that would be an example. Women get raped wearing sweatpants or burqas, so acting like she should have expected to get raped for wearing a short skirt would constitute a degree of victim-blaming.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 11:26 AM
1

As I said, I was explaining, not defending. Plus, I hear victim-blaming a lot, not just from the idiot cop that set off the slutwalks.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 11:19 AM
1

Perhaps you should print up flyers telling them not to sexually harass and verbally accost you :P
/r/MensRights10/05/12 11:00 AM
6

I was explaining the motive of the flyers, not defending them. But, for the record, most rapes seem to be the sort of thing not prevented by the standard tropes like 'don't walk home alone at night'- most rapists know their victims well. So, even following all the rules won't protect you, and people working against rape get frustrated with rules that won't protect you. Obviously, one can avoid bad situations, but the message here is mostly just to emphasize that final responsibility lies with th…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 10:59 AM
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No, they're meant to make a political statement- people are angry that 'rape prevention tips' usually focus on things women should do to avoid being raped, which allegedly (and good arguments can be made on this) perpetuates victim blaming and de-emphasizes the agency of male attackers and the responsibility that lies on the rapist. These tips are meant to make a statement on that, though I don't believe anyone really suspects they will make a difference.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 10:48 AM
1

Kind of a 'What Would You Do' moment, though, innit?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 09:40 AM
1

Ah, mére chérie... she still tells her friends father 'brainwashed' us; can't admit any reason we could have left.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 09:00 AM
1

I'd agree on that. The talk should be 'education is Afghanistan is lacking, especially for girls'. That would be true (because there is an undeniable gender disparity in the little education that is available)
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:30 AM
1

To be fair, I've yet to meet a feminist who demands that men pay for everything.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:28 AM
4

Man, all the abusive people in my life have been women- my mom that beat me, the teachers in school that kept us mentally atypical kids locked up and under surveillance and forced-medicated us and belittled and dehumanized us, my first girlfriend with her weird 'pressing dull pencils point first into my hand until I couldn't stand the pain any more' thing, that cop that beat and tased me despite my nonviolent compliance.... ... my experience with abuse has been weirdly incongruous with what ever…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:26 AM
0

I think the point of those is to let rape-y dudes know that other dudes disapprove of their rape-y-ness
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:23 AM
1

Is that just three dicks sticking out of the ground with eyes drawn on them?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:22 AM
2

My friend's girlfriend is actually really mad at him over this, because he won't touch her if she's been drinking.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:21 AM
4

Fuck, you mean that one time the band and I found those drunk women in the Cities, provided medical attention for the fight they'd been in, and gave them that ride home while repeatedly turning down their aggressive sexual advances, and and we were really kidnapping them? I'm such a terrible person.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:19 AM
1

No, only anti-porn feminists. Sex-positive feminists are... actually, some of them are also anti-porn, but some of them are for it, especially under certain contexts.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:15 AM
1

I think that's the sort of thing they're protesting with this sign. Er... trying to protest. I mean, their heart's in the right place, maybe- the responsibility is on the rapist and proportionately speaking, most of those rapists are men. But, still, it's a problematic sign.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:14 AM
12

Wait, we smell like wet dogs? Since when has that been a thing?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:13 AM
-1

NOW opposes male-only drafts and male-only conscription. Their third president endorsed male financial-abortion, as did feminist professor Frances Goldschneider. The feminist movement has repeatedly pressed for an Equal Rights Amendment that would ban all gendered discrimination. Also, this argument that feminists must hate equality if they're not actively fighting for men's interests is kind of flawed. When did MLK Jr ever fight for the interests of white people? Did focusing on black interests…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:10 AM
5

Right, that's cool. My main criticism is that it could apply to any person with a belief that goes against a strong convention. I could post this in a socialist forum and say it's how I feel about capitalism, or in an anti-war forum and say it's how I feel about civic culture towards the military. It's a strong cartoon, but goes best in the context of another message. Which, I suppose to your credit and to criticize myself, it is- you posted it in this forum, so people know what the message is. …
/r/MensRights10/05/12 05:50 AM
1

It does imply that the education that does exist is predominantly male, though, which is pertinent. Obviously, of course, more and better education is needed for all Afghan students. But, nuanced and comprehensive views aren't usually made into sound bites for the political mill. That goes for any issue. Think about hunger. When's the last time you heard a news story say something to the effect of 'Food security in sub-Saharan Africa will be best tackled by a comprehensive developmental strategy…
/r/MensRights10/05/12 05:46 AM
0

World Bank on Afghanistan and education- over 85% of education in the southern provinces (where the fighting and the Taliban is) is male. I didn't see stats on the North, but one would assume more gender parity there (though problems could still persist). Note also attacks on girl's schools. http://www.worldbank.org.af/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/AFGHANISTANEXTN/0,,contentMDK:21682753~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:305985,00.html
/r/MensRights10/05/12 05:02 AM
8

Eh, as clever as the picture is and as heartfelt as your frustration may be, this doesn't make any argument other than "I am right and my opponents are wrong and they are persecuting me for it". In that sense, it is rhetorically flawed, however adept it may be at expressing a sense of frustration many people in all manner of arguments feel.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:53 AM
-2

To be fair, most boys in Afghanistan do go to school or at least are allowed to in principle and discrimination of women at work may be more than 'phantom'. There are double standard, but those two were poor examples.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:50 AM
5

Pretending the feminist movement has a singular monolithic agenda, goal, or ideology is counterfactual; it's a diverse movement.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:49 AM
0

I think blue discredited herself with the second statement, but prior to that, there was some degree of truth in her first statement. Despite the well-known problems our gender system poses for men (I say well known because in this forum and to the audience reading this comment, they are well-known), males still do inhabit most of the areas of economic and political power. But, yeah, her second comment was.... very discrediting to her.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:48 AM
2

Dear Vatican: "You no play-a the game, you no make-a the rules" -Assorted Heretics
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:39 PM
2

Wait, it that really a thing? looking it up OH DEAR LORD WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT WOMAN?
/r/MensRights08/05/12 05:03 PM
6

Oh, and hospital-run clean needle programs, plus decriminalization of IV drugs and provision of rehab services. Also, better testing for medical donations. Maybe community support where HIV positive mothers of non-HIV kids (it happens) can have breast-feeding for their children performed by non-HIV positive mothers in the area. But the sexual stuff is the main thing.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:50 AM
12

I have a better way to prevent new HIV infections in Africa- provide more and better condoms, expand AIDs education, and encourage people to exercise sexual caution. I'm pretty sure my snipped willy and I can still get AIDS.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:46 AM
1

We can thank media consolidation and the cult of militarism for that.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:36 AM
2

As an economist, you should realize that this reflects the non-working rate, not the unemployment rate, and I shouldn't need to tell you what that means.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:35 AM
2

Is helping with child-rearing and housework a requirement for yourself?
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:33 AM
4

One could well ask how many of the 43.2% of nonworking men want to work. There are probably more stay-at-home dads these days. ALSO, we need to remember that we have an aging population and we've already passed the demographic transition, so in the long-term, nonworking adults as a proportion of the population is going to go up.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:33 AM
6

And in a certain sense the labor movement and worker's rights helps men because men work in more dangerous jobs where safety rights and comp are more important and because union organizers have traditionally tried to focus hardest on manufacturing jobs dominated by men. And in a certain sense the anti-war movement helps men because men are disproportionately the ones being sent to die. And in a certain way the welfare state helps men because men are more likely to be homeless and not have access…
/r/MensRights08/05/12 06:06 AM
2

The same way I practice feminism every day- I consciously reject gender roles, challenge stereotypes when they are expressed, and treat everyone with respect unless they demonstrate that they are not deserving of it.
/r/MensRights06/05/12 10:37 PM
2

My mother was non-custodial after the divorce- the four of us kids went to my father. My mother had been very abusive to us, especially the girls (she stopped hitting us boys when we got big, but continued the emotional abuse on all of us) for years, and so after a protracted divorce (ostensibly triggered by my father's infidelity, though the issues in the family went much deeper), my father and she reached an out-of-court settlement, whereby she would receive an enormous amount of alimony in ex…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 09:46 PM
2

This lady wants to be patronized and put on a pedestal? That's disrespect on her part not just to those around her, but to herself as well. Chivalry is dead, as it should be- it was an awful idea that was insulting to everyone in the first place.
/r/MensRights30/04/12 01:33 AM
3

Oh, not denying that. As a regular reader of Jezebel, I was a bit disappointed, but I should note that it's not any worse than the mainstream media coverage of the case, from what I've read of that. On the whole, because the gender system is set up to paint men as strong and women as weak, these cases tend to get painted in a funny light. Obviously, they shouldn't be. I think the best part, though, comes in the comments. That's where the appropriate responses tend to end up: "How horrific. That …
/r/MensRights30/04/12 01:29 AM
5

Er... people laugh at female-abuse jokes all the time. Nobody should be laughing at either, though.
/r/MensRights30/04/12 01:24 AM
2

Two things: 1. Jezebel writers clearly condemn the abuse, as do many of the commenters (possibly most, haven't read them all yet). 2. That said, the tone at times is troublingly light-hearted about it, and is not without its problems, veering at a few points into borderline victim-blaming.
/r/MensRights30/04/12 01:20 AM
1

Not denying that, but that other stuff that had earlier been said about feminists- that they're anti-trans and racist- pretty clearly doesn't apply. Plus, take a look around. Don't stand here and tell me that there isn't misogyny in MRA circles.
/r/MensRights30/04/12 12:59 AM
1

As a young person who moves in feminist circles, I can honestly say that, no, the policy makers within the movement are not old, entrenched academics. In fact, everyone in the movement criticizes them and tends to follow younger, third wave feminists. Go on feministing, jezebel, or feministe- lots of third wave. That's the new heart of the feminist movement. Maybe they haven't taken over the heights of feminist academia yet, or of feminist lobbies (but they're working on both), but the actual di…
/r/MensRights29/04/12 10:43 PM
1

Well, nobody's legislating my body (and, no, my money doesn't count as my body). Even if we do consider men 'oppressed' by (gasp) having to pay for the care of our children, in what way does taking away the right of women to access contraception and abortion help men? It doesn't- at all. But, this isn't about a pissing contest- the point here is that the recent assault on gains made since the second wave demonstrate pretty clearly that, no, feminists are not the policy makers in the US.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 08:58 PM
1

You can look up NOW's position on conscription and combat duties under the military section on their website. They haven't been fighting it because, newsflash, we haven't had a draft in decades, so it's kind of on the back-burner while they continue to do things like, you know, fight for reproductive rights, equal pay, fewer glass ceilings, and less sexual assault. As for men at the bottom of society- eh, that's debatable, as 70% of the world's poor are women. Here in the US (insofar as anyone i…
/r/MensRights29/04/12 08:54 PM
1

Rights which are now being rolled back. That'd be like if the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was being repealed, and you were claiming that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had taken over our political system.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 08:37 PM
0

I wouldn't say that feminists of any type really 'control policy'. I mean, that's a pretty fucking bold claim to make when reproductive rights (you know, that issue that basically started the second wave) are being rolled back in state after state and the congressional hearings on birth control are kicked off with a panel of all-male religious leaders.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 08:28 PM
1

The old guard of feminist academics is irrelevant when the modern Gender/Women's Studies majors they're training are overwhelmingly third wave.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 08:03 PM
1

Well, I don't regularly follow NOW (I'm more a 'Feministing' reader), but it's not 'always' in the context of 'benevolent sexism'. Most feminists I talk to are very open about the fact that yes, men are seriously and legitimately hurt by the gender system we currently have (which one would call patriarchy if they believe the overall balance of power in that system leans towards men- which, given the proportional representation of men in positions of authority, would not be entirely unjustified).…
/r/MensRights29/04/12 08:02 PM
-5

Actually, third wave feminism is pretty adamant about respecting and including WOC, trans*, GLBT women, working class and poor women, and disabled women. It's also done quite a bit of talk and criticism regarding the problems that masculine gender roles press on men. So... yeah.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 06:39 AM
39

Um.... feminists aren't plotting to marry you and take your money. That's not even remotely what feminism is about, and most feminists would find such behavior abhorrent and demeaning. Don't be a paranoid twit.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 06:36 AM
3

It's the same concept as 'ladies night'- the goal is to get more women there for the men. It's stupid and it's insulting to everyone involved.
/r/MensRights29/04/12 06:30 AM
2

Well, first, don't misattribute blame for things on women or feminists. Most of the things MRAs have legitimate grievances about are rooted in the same system of gender binaries that feminists oppose, so, you know, do that. Second, listen to them and be open to self-criticism. If you accept that there may be misandry among some feminists, accept that there may be some misogyny among some MRAs (there is. Lord almighty, there is). Be open to self-criticism, and legitimately respect their perspecti…
/r/MensRights29/04/12 06:27 AM
2

I think the problem there is more an ableism issue than a sexism issue; a woman with a lazy eye might get called creepy, too. I know a girl with Aspergers who everyone calls creepy (I mean, I think she's groovy, 'cause I'm on the spectrum, too, but most people disagree).
/r/MensRights23/04/12 02:14 AM
2

Oh dear; Amazon Mancrusher's got some issues, huh? I mean, if men already were bonding with each other everywhere to the extent that there was no need for these sheds, there probably wouldn't be a demand for them. Should there be women's spaces, shelters, opportunities for women bonding, and opportunities for bonding by all people that challenge rather than reinforce gender roles? Well, of course. But, that doesn't mean there can't also just be a guy's shed where guys hang out. The latent homoph…
/r/MensRights18/04/12 12:33 PM
14

Which 'feminazis' are calling it sexist? Here's a piece from Feministing covering it. http://feministing.com/2011/08/30/mens-sheds-because-blokes-have-feelings-too/ Note how the contributor, Chloe, praises the concept, and how the person in the comments who dislikes it is criticized by everyone.
/r/MensRights17/04/12 07:30 PM
1

I've found that people don't tend to care one way or the other about doors.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 01:26 PM
1

You might want to try NOW's 'Women in the Military' page, here: http://www.now.org/issues/military/index.html Some relevant parts The 1971 resolution: http://www.now.org/issues/military/policies/war.html Which includes the language: "WHEREAS, men themselves are subject to loss of life and personhood by being subject to compulsory military service from which women are exempt, and THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that NOW condemns ... the sexist basis for compulsory military service." 1980 resolution htt…
/r/MensRights15/04/12 06:32 PM
-3

I don't see how my college's campaign against rape culture is hurting me. There are posters up reminding people that the clothing a person wears doesn't give consent, and there are posters up of people of both sexes holding signs proclaiming that they can take no for an answer, and there are reminders that using chemicals to drug people is rape and is unacceptable. I don't see how these posters hurt me- I never had any intent of raping anyone, and never will rape anyone, or how they constitute '…
/r/MensRights15/04/12 08:04 AM
1

I'd think her views represent fairly mainstream NOW views and policies. You can go to their website and read their press releases, statements, and archives if you want. NOW also opposed the male-only draft and female exemption from combat duty, and has continued to do so for decades.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 07:58 AM
-5

Unilaterally chosen pregnancy? Dude, if a lady wants to make a baby with me, and I don't want it, there's not a lot she can do to 'unilaterally' form a baby with me. I mean, I can go ahead and not have sex with her, and even if for some bizarre reason I do have sex with a woman who's actively attempting to have a child with me that I don't want, I could wear this nifty thing called a 'condom'. They even come with spermicide built into the membrane. Unless this lady is sexually assaulting me, the…
/r/MensRights15/04/12 07:55 AM
3

A society that objectifies women, portrays them as sexual but lacking agency and power, that portrays male sexuality and exclusively physical, that perpetuates rape jokes and casual attitudes towards sexual assault, that makes sexual assault cases extremely difficult for the prosecutor, or that casts blame of the victims of sexual assault, is commonly understood to be under the spell of 'rape culture'.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 11:20 PM
2

I don't know what feminists are like where you live, but I live in a pretty darned liberal place with a lot of feminists, and I have never been asked to open a door or carry a book, nor have I been told not to defend myself if attacked. In fact, all of those positions would be seen as patronizing and generally criticized by most feminists.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 11:18 PM
8

Clearly, Snooki was being assaulted and that is unacceptable- just as it would be unacceptable if Snooki had approached the man and assaulted him. Action against the aggressor to stop the aggression is justified.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 11:16 PM
3

The hilarity here- the idea that women should be protected and guarded and men should not is rooted in the same sexist 'women are weak delicate flowers and men are big strong powerful bruisers' crap that both MRAs and feminists hate- or, at least, the intellectually honest people on both sides.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 11:15 PM
2

Afraid of girls? The article says we're afraid of sex, not girls. As far as I can tell, though, we aren't afraid of sex. That's not been my experience in my community.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 11:13 PM
2

My grandfather had one after eight children and my father had one after four; neither reported any lasting discomfort or negative health effects and both were satisfied with the procedure. My father recommended it for men who were not interested in having any more children.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 11:11 PM
1

The 1999 statistics list 1% of offenders as female- so, as I asserted, they must have been counting female rape in some way. They also listed 9% of victims as male. I see no reason to believe prison rape was not counted in that statistic. You have yet to provide a single statistic of your own. Do you have any definitions from this year, as those are apparently the only ones you will find valid?
/r/MensRights09/04/12 04:52 AM
1

We're talking about sexual assault, not domestic violence, and seeing as how the stats from 1999 did include both male victims and female rapists, we can assume that they were not using a definition that simply excluded all the male victims. The fact that rape is a gendered crime is further supported by the following sourced statistics from RAINN http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
/r/MensRights09/04/12 01:25 AM
0

The 1999 statistics from the Department of Justice Statistics. What study are you using?
/r/MensRights08/04/12 09:17 PM
2

The US BoJ statistic includes the rape of males and reported prison rapes, so...
/r/MensRights08/04/12 07:26 PM
1

All the more reason to tear down the gender roles, because they're dehumanizing, restrictive, harmful ways for us to live- and while we're at it, we can all stop sexually harassing and assaulting everyone, and end any notion of any need for these single-sex cars.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 04:25 AM
-4

the US Bureau of Justice Statistics Disagrees with you.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 02:27 AM
2

Well, I've yet to hear of 'Adam teasing' or hear Indian men complain of harassment and groping, so....
/r/MensRights08/04/12 02:20 AM
3

I've heard horror stories, but assumed this was a fringe of rad-fems.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 02:19 AM
3

Um.... I don't think it was the feminists that criminalized and ostracized gay sex. Especially seeing as gay sex was criminal before the feminist movement, and the feminist movement generally supports the GLBT movement, and we men actually throw around a lot of homophobia even in all-male spaces.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 09:20 PM
9

Actually, at my university, a feminist-oriented group promoting consent uses all sorts of examples in their posters; there are a number where the man is shown to be pressuring the woman, but there are also ones with men pressuring men and with women pressuring men (I haven't seen any with women pressuring women, but I haven't been looking too hard). I will admit that some of their other campaigns focus mostly on m-on-f assault (their 'nothing I can wear gives consent' campaign, for example, is a…
/r/MensRights07/04/12 09:19 PM
1

Because of lingering, pervasive notions of sexuality that emphasize male agency (men are the ones doing things, women are having things done to them) and female passivity and that men are horndogs running around on the hunt for women, who want to protect their virginity and virtue. Note- this is a narrative that feminists, especially 'sex-positive' feminists, strongly and fundamentally oppose. It is not a 'feminist narrative', but, if anything, a narrative rooted in the same ideas about gender t…
/r/MensRights07/04/12 09:14 PM
-1

We... have a safe male contraceptive. It's called a 'condom'.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 09:10 PM
3

Nobody said anything about zero crime or completely eliminating groping. Cutting down on groping significantly so that women can tend to feel safe in mixed-sex cars without being constantly fondled by strangers would be enough. If a few groping incidents per line per month happen, that's not going to necessitate female-only cars- but the current pervasive groping does necessitate them.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 08:52 PM
5

The female cars are necessitated by the pervasive groping and sexual harassment women face in the mixed-sex cars; in India, this is called 'Eve teasing', but what it is is sexual harassment and sometimes even sexual assault. Men are not facing any equivalent 'Adam teasing', and can ride without fear of being groped.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 08:50 PM
2

That's not even remotely what I said. I'm not making a value judgement here on which is worse- slapping or sexual harassment. I'm just examining the reasons behind the slapping, and the women-only car- and that reason is groping. I'm just saying, that abolishing the women-only car would first require dealing with the groping problem that necessitates them. The car is a women-only space because of a very real problem of sexual harassment. In India's public transit system, women need that women-on…
/r/MensRights07/04/12 08:47 PM
5

We can infer that the majority of the groping is male-on-female by two facts: One, that the number of heterosexual males far outnumbers homosexual or bisexual women. Two, that women prefer the women's-only cars, which implies that they see an improvement in the situation when the men are removed. We can also cite real evidence, such as testimony from Japan where women said that womens-only cars reduced the groping, and men spoke up saying that the cars also decreased accusations of groping again…
/r/MensRights07/04/12 06:01 PM
10

A lot of these don't really speak to my lived experience. When I've broken up, it's been usually seen as faultless (we drifted apart) or as not my fault at all (that being the one where I was cheated on). I haven't seen men be made out to be jerks- I actually hear a lot of songs about women who tore men's hearts to pieces and are awful for it. Naturally, when there's a break up, each side tends to blame the other. Number 9 strikes me as untrue, but this might just be in my community; we're a com…
/r/MensRights07/04/12 09:00 AM
3

I'm just kind of confused as to why the writer of the column being referenced continues to think the bondage/dom/leather community is a degrading place. Some people just like kink, and I think it's fairly closed-minded to declare that some types of consensual adult sex are intrinsically bad or disempowering.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 08:42 AM
1

But, at any rate, you are right- the disparity between the attempt rates in women (which re higher than men's) and women's suicide mortality rate (which is lower than men's) is indeed a matter of method.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 08:34 AM
12

I do agree that this is a terrible thing- no person deserves to be slapped, and single-sex cars are a far cry from a post-gendered or egalitarian society. That said, one should also note the reason they have female-only cars in places like India and Japan: The pervasive groping and harassment that women face in mixed-sex cars in these countries. They have overcrowded cars (in Japan, it's so bad they literally have workers whose job is to shove people in tighter), and people get away with groping…
/r/MensRights07/04/12 07:50 AM
1

I would like to know what world you live in, in which slashing your wrists open or destroying your internal body making you die foaming at the mouth, spasming uncontrollably, or choking in your own uncontained fluids, counts as a 'peaceful' method of suicide. Slower? Yes. Peaceful? Frankly, I'd prefer the quick way.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 06:34 AM
5

To be fair, men 'succeed' (a morbid term here) at killing themselves more often, while women attempt it more often. Also, women worldwide own significantly less property than men, and often have less social and political rights. I'm not going to get into the oppression olympics here, but we should keep in mind that the rate of 'successful' suicides is not the only metric of quality of life, and is certainly not the only way of measuring social power.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 08:56 PM
3

I would certainly agree, that whoever was responding to you made a poor choice; the presence of suffering or discrimination in one group is not somehow erased by the suffering and discrimination of other groups- that is to say, the fact women do face immense discrimination in multiple fields and that glass ceiling do continue to exist, does not erase the fact that men continue to be put down for engaging in gender-transgressive roles (usually through 'feminizing' and other gendered shaming tacti…
/r/MensRights06/04/12 08:54 PM
2

This is one of the MRM's "most pressing issues"? Women stealing our sperm? Not violent and self-destructive constructs of modern masculinity, or the dangerous and dehumanizing gender roles stemming from them? Just how often do you expect me to believe this happens, anyway?
/r/MensRights06/04/12 07:37 PM
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