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sigh Even if we use her definitions, she's still a bigot and being discriminatory. Regardless, this is a prime example of people who don't fully understand concepts parroting talking points because they like the sound of them.
/r/MensRights13/05/15 04:59 AM
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I think the biggest thing this particular article misses is that there are a lot of other contributing factors, the importance of marriage being just one and quite a few people are living happily with their significant other in long term stable relationships with no intent to marry. It sounds mostly like an attempt to rile up conservatives against feminism based on the lack of conservative moors, to be honest.
/r/MensRights10/05/15 06:35 PM
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One of the fundamental tenets of consent when talking about sex is that being in a relationship with someone and/or having sex with someone in the past does not imply consent. That being said, "wife waking husband up with a blowjob" could be consensual sex depending on the stability and status of their relationship.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 02:17 AM
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Incapacitated, in regards to being drunk, is not a fancy word for drunk, it's on the far side of tipsy on the "drunk scale" where you are no longer capable of making decisions for yourself because your judgement is impaired to the point of being invalid.
/r/MensRights13/12/14 03:45 AM
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It's not anyone's responsibility to be inside your mind to see if you are too drunk or not, that's all on you and it's an unfair burden on everyone around you. No, but it is your responsibility to not take advantage of an incapacitated individual. Legally, once an individual is incapacitated they can't give consent, explicit or implicit and regardless of participation. Once someone has been intoxicated to the point of incapacitation, they can consent in the same capacity as a minor; what they sa…
/r/MensRights13/12/14 02:54 AM
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The point I'm trying to make is that there is a point that no matter what is said, a person is so drunk as to qualify as being out of your right mind and therefore not willing regardless of what is said because they cannot qualify as willing, which is the legal standpoint.
/r/MensRights13/12/14 02:47 AM
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Well, yes and no. If she's shitfaced and you're stone sober, then yes, that's you taking advantage of someone not in their right mind much like if they were drugged (though that my be more apt than I thought considering that alcohol is a drug). I'm of the mind that as long as everyone is at comparable levels of soberness then the usual rules apply, but things start getting screwy when that's no longer the case. That being said, the law holds that if someone is incapacitated, sexual intercourse w…
/r/MensRights13/12/14 01:54 AM
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if its such a grey area then it shouldn't be rape I think I see the disconnect here: you don't see how it's rape if it's not intended as rape, is that correct?
/r/MensRights13/12/14 01:50 AM
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Yeah, that I generally agree with, though I don't care how drunk she is. does give me pause, due to the fact that there is a point where you are so drunk that you can't give consent because you are not in your right mind. My issue with the earlier comment was that often rape is when you are forced to have sex against your will, not when you get drunk and do things that you other wise wouldn't. would be used as "since you were drunk and didn't express your will, it wasn't against your will." A "Y…
/r/MensRights13/12/14 12:26 AM
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That's where it gets funky. Is laying back passively and not making eye contact "participating"? What about just not resisting? Just kinda moaning? It's a gray area and while sometimes you can say with absolute certainty that while she didn't say yes, it was clear that she wanted what was happening, I don't see a problem with very strong encouragement to make sure when you don't have a definite yes or no. What about making out? She's generally implicitly agreeing to what that entails but again, …
/r/MensRights13/12/14 12:21 AM
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Actually, what is says in the prompt is: Mary drinks 5 alcoholic drinks and is slurring her speech and is off-balance when she walks. Mary is very flirtatious with John and is making suggestive comments to him such that he thinks she is interested in an intimate relationship that evening. John is tipsy too and takes her to his apartment. I'm pretty sure the word "drunk" isn't even on the page.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 09:21 PM
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As others have said, they make the statement "John is tipsy too" which implies that both are at a point that can be called "tipsy" though they don't actually say that which gives wiggle room to portray them at different levels of drunkenness even if they've equated the two. I believe others have called using "weasel words" which I admittedly had only heard of here.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:52 PM
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It isloose but it has to be when attempting to regulate human behavior. Ideally it would be used so that we could look at a law and say "yes this is what is says but it isn't meant to be enforced here" and push out of tight spots, though in reality it's often used to tighten those spots.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:48 PM
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The reason the bit about "incapacitated" was added wasn't "teh evul feminazis" so much as it was closing the "But she didn't say no" loophole. I don't agree that one should have to ask permission at every step because I believe in implicit consent, but you can still lack that and I am of the opinion that lacking at least that is rape because there is no consent.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:43 PM
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I think I agree with the spirit of what you're trying to say but what you're actually saying would practically give a pass to things like roofies.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:37 PM
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Their level of intoxication is clearly not the same, as described by the question It's actually presented as fairly ambiguous but with wording that has differing connotations to give the impression that it's not.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:35 PM
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Well that provoked a twitch.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:24 PM
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"Yes doesn't mean always mean yes" is the new policy. I honestly don't know if that's a joke/exaggeration.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:20 PM
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If you don't consent or no longer consent its on you to make me aware that you have decided to remove consent. As much as most of us likely agree with that, that's not the direction the law is moving, which is sickening.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:18 PM
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I see that other people had to deal with this blatantly sexist bullshit. Example 1 (The *correct* answer is the middle one) Example 2
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:15 PM
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It's likely run by the national government, at least that was the vibe I got from the one I took.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 08:01 PM
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If she's so drunk she's incapacitated Incapacitated =/= unconscious. As someone who had to sit through a metric fuckton of these seminars over the past few months, I can tell you that incapacitated is usually in the "stumbling drunk" category.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 07:59 PM
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So, did you actually look into the donkey sex thing? Because it's not actually related to feminism, objectification, or even women, for the most part.
/r/MensRights06/12/14 03:33 AM
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I feel like there are several intermediate steps between swearing off women and fucking donkeys. To be fair, to the best of my knowledge the two aren't really related.
/r/MensRights06/12/14 03:31 AM
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a strong woman is not a woman in a man's body. she is simply a strong woman. nothing more and nothing less That is true, but that's not what he's referring to. Yes, the idea of "a man in a woman's body" is essentially a strawman here, but at the same time, while he's addressing his strawman, you're addressing yours.
/r/MensRights06/12/14 03:28 AM
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Femininity is usually just another word for weak, submissive, and easily controlled by men. I've taken what amount to genders studies courses and know that's bullshit.
/r/MensRights06/12/14 03:20 AM
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Given that part 1 was posted today, I'm guessing "Still in progress".
/r/MensRights05/12/14 03:42 AM
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My guess? "Safe sex"/notions of relative purity.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 01:57 AM
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To be fair, it's my understanding that the fucking donkeys thing is a traditional cultural thing that's been around a while.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 01:53 AM
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I half agree in that yeah, it's probably a safer investment to pick up a degree for the money and do your art as a hobby on the side, but at the same time taking an art class is an investment in your skills in that area and increases your odds of actually doing something monetarily valuable with that hobby. That's why I write as a hobby and study people (psych) in my lovely higher ed.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 01:45 AM
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Or rape culture. Fear is a pretty damn lucrative business.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 01:41 AM
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It exists in that men, collectively, make more money than women, collectively. It doesn't exist in that a woman isn't paid less than a man for the same job.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 01:39 AM
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The information may not be bullshit, but the way it's presented it. "Women (as a collective) make X% of what men (as a collective) make" is true and potentially a good conversation point. "You, young woman, will only make X% of what this young man makes, even if you do the same job!" is a misrepresentation to the point of being an outright lie, and is bullshit. I've seen the former restated as the latter in person and it was actively surreal.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 01:36 AM
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...Fuck.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 01:25 AM
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"But the patriarchy!" /s
/r/MensRights05/12/14 12:50 AM
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I prefer to point out that have every right to participate in the dialogue about interactions between the sexes because that dialogue will always effect me.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 03:22 PM
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I'm personally of the opinion that neither argument is well presented in the linked image, though I only say that because OP comes across as condescendingly dismissive and to some extent appears to create a strawman (at least based on context). That being said, I've argued with so many feminists that use this logic that I wish I could be surprised any more.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 03:21 AM
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She slapped him. He punched her. FTFY In all seriousness though, would it have been acceptable if both of the above people were men of the same size of those involved? If the answer is yes or "it would be more equal" then that is an example of a bias in favor of the female gender. I mean, ffs * Rule one for hitting someone: Don't, unless you can accept that you will be hit back. Rule two for hitting someone: If they're bigger than you, keep in mind rule one.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 01:01 AM
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there may be a slight difference between men and women. I can agree with this. AND, maybe, and call me crazy if I am way out of line with this one, but maybe, equality doesn't mean making everyone act exactly the same and therefore equal.. cause that is impossible.. Again, something I can agree with. It means accounting for these differences. Possibly, but it doesn't mean enacting a blatant double standard. If we're agreeing that generally women are smaller and weaker than men, that's fine but i…
/r/MensRights18/11/14 08:00 PM
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Aye. Usually there is some kind of logic to be put forth, even if it's not solid or requires some mental mental gymnastics to get there, but this one never seems to have any answer at all answer.
/r/MensRights18/11/14 12:26 AM
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I've yet to hear any actual response to this logic that actually holds water.
/r/MensRights16/11/14 11:12 PM
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1) They are generally sweet-natured people who are preoccupied with techno/science geeky thoughts I don't know, most of the science geeks I know are more likely to tell you that they are running on three hours of sleep and don't have time for your bullshit.
/r/MensRights16/11/14 10:57 PM
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At least that's what reddit told me: Well that was a terrifying read.
/r/MensRights12/11/14 07:07 PM
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Why is it that intra-feminist disagreement so often boils down to mere disapproval, mildly expressed in polite editorials of no consequence? Politics. It's all bloody politics.
/r/MensRights11/10/14 02:51 PM
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I'd recommend looking into the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist. Meds aren't always the answer; sometimes it helps just to have someone you can talk to.
/r/MensRights11/10/14 02:32 PM
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I don't think things are quite so black and white. I agree with that. I'm still friends with most of those I've befriended and been rejected by, though the friendship itself is different, to some extent, and I'm very into having those uncomfortable conversations so I've at least heard what was going on from their point of view. In some cases it (rejections) has helped me clear my head, in others, it made me reevaluate my friendships, but ultimately I suppose my intent is to say that this is an a…
/r/MensRights10/10/14 11:24 PM
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I suppose my frustration should be more accurately directed at the images and tropes that informed my ideals of what "dating" should look like/be about. Perhaps dating has been tainted by this image of expensive dinners and trips to far off locations, but in reality, a date can be a trip to the park, or just cooking dinner in your home together Perhaps, but the idea of doing any of those things with someone I don't know well doesn't appeal to me.
/r/MensRights09/10/14 03:05 PM
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makes her feel like he's either waiting for her to change her mind or that he'll just see her sexually/romantically from now on In my experience, part of the problem there is that she doesn't say no directly as to avoid hurting him, but he interprets it as "not right now." I saw this first hand the other day when a female friend was trying to find a way to turn down the advances of someone she really wasn't interested in, and in truth didn't even want a friendship with. She was asking myself and…
/r/MensRights09/10/14 03:01 PM
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I just want the chance, as someone who is familiar enough with the "friendzone" to be passionate about discussing the topic, I don't think that (the vast majority of) women are actively trying to use/screw over men in this regard. I just want it acknowledged that the men who have been "friendzoned" (here used in reference to the realization that someone you have strong feelings for doesn't reciprocate) are often dealing with grief and emotional pain over the incident. We live in a society that m…
/r/MensRights09/10/14 03:18 AM
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when the woman says she's not interested romantically, but would like to remain friends, why is that her feeling entitled? she's asking to return to zero, to maintain the status quo in the relationship. when he says he's no longer interested in friendship, the woman is losing a friend. is it entitlement to want to keep something you'd already had for years? I personally don't think that wanting to remain friends in entitlement, but acting as if the guy has done something wrong in deciding to ter…
/r/MensRights09/10/14 02:40 AM
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This idea that you should be friends first before sex or dating is flawed. I find that really frustrating. Maybe it's just my personality, but I wouldn't want to go through the trouble and implied commitment of a date without finding out if I like the person enough to befriend them first.
/r/MensRights09/10/14 02:26 AM
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I myself was once guilty of it before I understood the problem - the "friendzoned" person doesn't take the hint and move on. I think part of the problem there is that you've usually got someone who is already looking at the situation through rose-tinted glasses so they honestly don't know they've been friendzoned, at least not when it was done in any way approaching subtle.
/r/MensRights09/10/14 02:19 AM
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Life advice I'm trying to actively embody.
/r/MensRights08/10/14 05:26 PM
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I saw the same article in my newsfeed the other day. Nothing but "he's so lucky" comments.
/r/MensRights03/10/14 06:36 PM
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The thought that occurs to me is that many women wear makeup to give them a "natural, no makeup" look. (covering blemishes and such)
/r/MensRights30/09/14 12:23 AM
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not sure if /s...
/r/MensRights28/09/14 11:39 PM
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Gender roles might be related to romantic personal preference but to make the unsupported comment that one is completely responsible for the other is largely ignorant
/r/MensRights26/09/14 01:58 PM
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That's not, strictly speaking, a completely true answer.
/r/MensRights26/09/14 01:41 PM
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once in a while someone will comment on how much time she spent doing her hair or picking her outfit or whatever and I've started to be like "Oh, it does look nice today, but I really didn't notice." Maybe it's just this bit that's coloring my perception of the rest of the post, but this makes me think that maybe you're just being douchey/acting like you've got a chip on your shoulder and that's what they're not liking. Personally, I find that I'm only "expected" to give complements when a femal…
/r/MensRights21/09/14 06:38 PM
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Well, psychology is a female dominated field...
/r/MensRights20/09/14 02:47 PM
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There's nothing like saying "hey baby, we have a good relationship going here, how about we get the government involved"? I disagree(d?) with most of this to some extent but then that comment. That's probably the best way I can think of to make me rethink my attitudes on marriage.
/r/MensRights20/09/14 02:45 PM
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I think you are correct that number of women>number of men are unaware of thoughts. I would argue that each is unaware within different areas and that the gap is small enough to be negligible.
/r/MensRights13/09/14 06:57 PM
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Obvious horseshit is obvious, however... Because fat bodies – regardless of gender – are constructed as less physically able, fat men are consequently seen as threatening masculine dominance. This is worth talking about, at least in the sense that it shows an oft under-discussed portion of their ideology: That we as men are apparently seen as part of some monolithic group, always looking out for the group and acting in such a way that benefits the group. Classic assumption that men share the fem…
/r/MensRights04/09/14 11:32 PM
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I dislike the implications but I'm kinda in the same boat.
/r/MensRights01/09/14 08:07 PM
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But if you assume all feminist are like that...
/r/MensRights29/08/14 01:56 AM
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This is one of the reasons I can't take feminism seriously: they have multiple ideologies that are actively contradictory.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 11:41 PM
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Would you say that feminism is done deconstructing the patriarchal gender roles for females? Yes and no. I think there is a ways to go to deconstruct the female gender role for women in the sense that nearly every negative has been addressed and discussed to some extent, even the result of that discussion isn't something feminism likes, which is important, though not necessarily done. The "pros" that women experience as part of the female patriarchal gender role are largely still firmly entrench…
/r/MensRights27/08/14 08:10 PM
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Smartass answer? Too many to list. Actual answer, it's complicated. Lets look at strength for a moment. According to patriarchal gender roles, a man is strong (read: brutish). Because of this, he is given the pro of being encouraged to seek out places where his strength is an asset and is never told he's weak (assuming he never tries to step outside his role). Sounds good? However, because he's assumed to be strong, he's given the con of not being allowed to be weak or display weakness, whatever…
/r/MensRights27/08/14 03:29 AM
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This is a false equivalence because Patriarchy and Misogyny are things. I shouldn't have laughed, but I did. This is effectively saying "Patronize me so I can blame it on patriarchy"
/r/MensRights27/08/14 02:52 AM
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I don't define patriarchy as gender roles. What we're seeing is patriarchal gender roles. It's IMO, an important distinction. "The Patriarchy" is generally a construct that exists in an attempt to evoke certain ideals regarding male superiority and the oppression of women and, from what I've seen, is generally used by those who don't have a deeper understanding of the idea of what a patriarchy is (a patriarchy vs the patriarchy). The attempt to frame it as a system designed by men for men at the…
/r/MensRights27/08/14 02:26 AM
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I have mixed feelings about this. I've been fortunate in that I've had numerous people in my life I could open up to (mostly women, but a few men as well) and while I do think that there is a good bit of similarity between how women are emotionally open and how men could be emotionally open in a healthy way, I still find it staggering how much emotional baggage we as men carry that most women simply don't understand, or are only willing to see through their own lens.
/r/MensRights24/08/14 02:33 PM
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If you had history posting here I'd imagine that was a contributing factor. It seems as though they check posting history for anyone that disagrees with them and call anyone with notable /r/MensRights (or percivedly similar) history a troll and ban them.
/r/MensRights23/08/14 12:21 PM
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*shrug* I'm not trying to sell the idea, just point out what it is.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 05:51 PM
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Even if there were widespread unconscious misogyny in the gaming industry, at what point would this even manifest? The idea is that it happens at the hiring stage or the idea submission stage. When trying to sell your "project."
/r/MensRights22/08/14 04:18 AM
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if your work is outstanding and will make money, i don't know why a company wouldn't want to develop your project. if it's mediocre, maybe it's easier to say jobs aren't rolling in because gaming is a boys' club. eh, the common logic used here is much the same as when people try to say the same but about race: that there is an aspect of subconscious discrimination going on. I'm not saying it's right but I find it important to at least try to understand where my conversational opponent is coming …
/r/MensRights21/08/14 01:00 PM
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This would be feminism backfiring. I love the irony here.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 12:56 PM
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The feminists who are taking advantage of society's willingness to side with them in a male-dominated area.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 12:53 PM
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That's true, but in cases like these not only is there misinformation to contend with, but usually a small jungle of legalese as well. I'm just of the opinion that when someone asks a question, what does it say about us that our first reaction is to tell them to figure it out themselves. It's not inherently bad, nor is it inherently good, but it is very much the picture of the the traditional male gender role. Take that as you will.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 04:16 PM
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Unlike certain other un-named movements (Feminism) we are here to teach.
/r/MensRights19/08/14 11:09 PM
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Eh, I think we can be oppressed by societal norms. Feminists tend to call it "The Patriarchy<sup>TM</sup> ." Personally I think of it as " gender roles/norms".
/r/MensRights15/08/14 09:40 PM
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I actually agree with this one. Religious institutions are one of the few places in modern America where institutional misogyny is a problem. Just a personal opinion, but I think that organizations you can opt out of that you join for ideological reasons shouldn't change because of outside ideologies and notions of morality.
/r/MensRights15/08/14 05:24 PM
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Being able to attack straw feminists and demonize unfairly helps prevent people from actually listening to feminists. I'm basking in the irony.
/r/MensRights15/08/14 04:21 PM
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Pretty sure you can suffer for your own choices.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 07:15 PM
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I don't know about studies debunking it, but I'm hoping to post a logical breakdown by the weekend. The heart of it, I think, is that there's "gender roles in a patriarchal society" as patriarchy (mostly what was discussed in the link) and there's "The Patriarchy" which oppresses women and backfires on men. The former is a cultural hallmark that isn't anyone's fault but affects us all in ways both good and bad. The latter is what people at large are hearing and repeating ad nauseum without fully…
/r/MensRights14/08/14 01:39 AM
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I'm reading a lot of "I left a dysfunctional home and started a dysfunctional family."
/r/MensRights13/08/14 10:35 PM
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Unlikely. Facebook has a 'ban first, ask questions later (if at all)' approach.
/r/MensRights13/08/14 06:04 AM
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Oh wow. That quote is painfully appropriate.
/r/MensRights12/08/14 05:42 AM
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Mandatory comment on gender being a social construct.
/r/MensRights10/08/14 02:59 PM
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I did a quick check of his recent posts. It seems we've discovered the male version of a RADFEM
/r/MensRights10/08/14 02:27 PM
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I would recommend seeing a counselor. Looking to the internet for psychoanalysis is sketchy at best.
/r/MensRights10/08/14 01:47 PM
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Let me clarify then: most of the above advice is geared towards women, painting rape as something of a "woman's problem" which is often part of the reason people are able to paint it as "rape culture." That is to say, that we give this advice to women (as opposed to everyone) says that women (but not men) have to take certain preventive measures in order to be as safe as men, thus pointing to a "Rape culture" Or, "we give women safety advice and tell men to just be men" Does that make more sense…
/r/MensRights10/08/14 01:41 PM
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I disagree. A victimization being made public does not justify insensitivity toward that victimization. It doesn't become any less insensitive because it's Duke LaCrosse Team instead of the guy down the street. Keep in mind I'm not trying to suggest any kind of blaming, certainly not personally. Rather, I'm thinking in terms of inevitable discussions on social media and the like.
/r/MensRights09/08/14 12:00 PM
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Note: I agree with you and I'm only wondering what your response to the following is. One of the common feminist replies to this line of reasoning is that men don't have to do the same things and use this as proof of "rape culture ". Do you have an answer to that?
/r/MensRights09/08/14 11:44 AM
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Right, but generally this kind of "advice" isn't given to the victim unless they try to publicize the event at which point it becomes fair game (IMO). In the case of the shotgun, yes the advice is insensitive, but if he replied "I shouldn't have to worry about that" or something similar, he would effectively be in denial and I think most would agree he would be wrong in that outlook.
/r/MensRights09/08/14 11:37 AM
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With a nice side of "if you don't get/agree with it there must be something wrong with you"
/r/MensRights09/08/14 03:04 AM
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When a woman has to pull part of her genitals off the inside of her thigh like overly clingy Saran wrap after being forced to sit uncomfortably for any length of time, then they can comment on male sitting habits.
/r/MensRights08/08/14 12:18 PM
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Most of the examples listed make sense given their setting or the real world inspiration for the prestige class. Besides, focusing on gender inequality in a product that has a supplement called "Oriental Adventures" is kinda like complaning that the basement is flooded while the house is on fire. The PC ship for 3.5 sailed long ago.
/r/MensRights05/08/14 05:54 AM
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Teens drink here in the U.S., too. It has nothing to do with the legal drinking age. Actually it does. Teens tend to drink more when it's prohibited, usually with the intent of getting drunk. In other countries where drinking at younger ages is more acceptable you don't see it treated as soley a party thing.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 08:11 PM
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I think it's sexist, sure, but I don't think it's mysoginistic. But then I feel the same about the gender-reversed examples used elsewhere.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 03:02 PM
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Really solid piece. I this is the flavor of feminism that I can support, even if I wouldn't take up the label myself. I would love to find a group of young women to discuss this with and find out if this is the message they are being given. I fear that this is another issue where each 'side' is getting completely different information.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 04:32 AM
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No, we don't need "advice" on how to choose our SOs based on idealized social conventions. That does nothing but play into the status quo and any response addressing that would just come across as needlessly snarky.
/r/MensRights01/08/14 04:37 AM
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I personally do hold to the notion that most "everyday" feminists are fighting for equality, to one degree or another. But by the same token, "feminism" has been attached to too many ideals and movements that have been distinctly anti-male for me personally to identify with the movement or buy into the idea that it, in terms of the policies put forth and the rhetoric it popularizes, is good for actual equality. I hold nothing against feminists, but I see feminism catering more strongly to your r…
/r/MensRights01/08/14 03:38 AM
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No, I can definitely believe this much stupidity came from mic.com It's sort of a bastion of extreme leftist views acting like they're either neutral or have the public opinion on their side.
/r/MensRights31/07/14 12:17 AM
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Which is a wonderful ideal, but one that falls apart when so called radfems claim the title and claim that their ideology is feminism. You're describing egalitarianism, not feminism.
/r/MensRights30/07/14 01:12 AM
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Thor has been a frog. The idea of Thor becoming a woman isn't exactly all that exciting.
/r/MensRights29/07/14 01:32 AM
3

I stopped reading after "male gaze" a kinda skimmed the rest. The tone was bad enough but then meaningless buzzwords made it impossible to take seriously.
/r/MensRights28/07/14 10:46 PM
3

I don't think there's all that great a connection between feminism and the rise of the smartphone.
/r/MensRights28/07/14 07:37 PM
6

I would put forth that the narrative that consent is something a man must gain from a woman (as opposed to something one person must get from another) is either partially to blame, or stemming from similar roots.
/r/MensRights28/07/14 02:58 AM
1

Physiological responses to stimuli are not consent.
/r/MensRights20/07/14 01:09 PM
1

It reads like the target audience is either other women or her implied group of friends while she lectures a hypothetical guy. This isn't advice to guys, it's something for women to get a feel good from reading with the bonus of letting everyone involved feel like they've proved a point to someone.
/r/MensRights19/07/14 06:34 PM
2

It’s when a bunch of my Latina feminist friends were having a conversation on my Facebook page about their experiences with the wage gap, and a male friend of mine popped in to add his two cents – playing Devil’s Advocate, don’t you know – about how he once talked to a professor about this when he was studying Finance in undergrad, and it’s all being blown out of proportion, “according to studies” and all. Because addressing what was actually said would require her to break out of her echo chamb…
/r/MensRights19/07/14 03:21 AM
1

Slightly conservative, mildly anarchist, libertarian.
/r/MensRights19/07/14 02:28 AM
9

You have your hobbies, we have ours.
/r/MensRights15/07/14 03:19 PM
2

Or psychologist.
/r/MensRights15/07/14 02:11 PM
1

I think it boils down to a bias against their outgroup heavily reinforced by "[your outgroup] is oppressive to you and those around you." with an unhealthy dose of "staying silent in the face of (perceived) injustices takes the side of the oppressor.
/r/MensRights15/07/14 01:59 PM
0

I largely agree, especially since most people hear "I hate feminism/I'm anti-feminist" as indicative of a misogynistic "women belong in the kitchen" mentality.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 06:19 PM
5

The relatively short and neutral-ish answer is that each gender has problems and obstacles unique to that gender and often the other gender doesn't see or understand them. A slightly less neutral portion is the way the media is talking about women's issues but not men's.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 06:07 PM
3

most of the girls look about the same as the feminists Because you can tell a feminist by her looks?
/r/MensRights13/07/14 02:25 PM
2

Just wondering, but can we get some context? Mostly on the "mature" bit?
/r/MensRights13/07/14 01:32 PM
3

I laughed much harder than I should've.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 04:17 AM
3

This isn't even about remorse after the fact, she actively tried to ruin his life. What the actual fuck?
/r/MensRights12/07/14 02:12 PM
144

”This approach does not contradict the fundamental principle that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty." Uh, in what way does it not?
/r/MensRights10/07/14 02:53 PM
1

Selection bias. Because you hang with some of the tiny, TINY minority of women who 'game', you ignore the proclivities of the vast majority of women. Hell, most women 'gamers' play the likes of Candy Crush and Farm ville almost exclusively... It's selection bias in the same way that everyone who doesn't bring better data to the conversation is preforming it: we're citing our personal experience. As a side note, I don't think I've ever even heard of someone serious referring to those who exclusiv…
/r/MensRights26/06/14 01:10 PM
2

I'm not advocating for the idea of more forced roles or the involvement of Feminism in general. I'm just pointing out that evidently there is an interest by women to enter the field, and that number appears to be increasing. I have never really understood the whole push for female game devs. I'm seeing this as female gamers pushing for female game devs via wanting more games that have a female lead (which is just the free market doing its thing) rather than a feminism push (which is a bad thing)…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 09:46 PM
2

Let me remove as much as the ambiguity out of this as possible: If someone new to the movement with nearly any experience with Feminism (which due to its pervasive nature is most people) sees your original comment suddenly we look like we're feminism with a beard.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 09:12 PM
1

I'll agree that with Feminism as the mouthpiece for female gamers very little constructive will occur, but there does appear to be enough interest that women are moving into the field. I don't disagree with the idea that feminism running rampant in the free market is a horrible idea, I disagree with the idea that the women as a whole don't like most games/genres of games.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 09:04 PM
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I see an interesting dynamic: over here this was discussed somewhat. It seems like a bit of a paradox in that we say "why do we need more female game devs?" while also saying "if female gamers want more games directed at them they need to go out and make them."
/r/MensRights25/06/14 08:45 PM
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My "point" is that to use phrases like that without citing data we end up with something that when viewed from anything other than an "in the trenches already informed" perspective seems makes the MRM look like it's just parroting popular Feminism points of view and to those who haven't already dived in one way or the other it makes Feminism look like the "legitimate" movement, largely because it has the history of existing in the public eye. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying "That l…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 08:19 PM
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No, I'm saying that if if you swap the genders in the section I quoted it's a common feminist argument. You often see the same with most of the other things said in this direct thread. I wasn't arguing the validity of either point, rather I was drawing parallels.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:14 PM
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I was only referring to the sections I quoted, not the rest.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 04:48 PM
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Er, that doesn't sound like goading someone, that sounds like someone (the guy here) pushing his views about how someone should act/be on someone else regardless of their lifestyle.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 04:21 PM
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To be fair, this is one of the few places where men's issues are allowed to be brought up without being viciously attacked. And female issues can be talked about anywhere. Interestingly (and not meant as an attack or disagreement), genderswap this and it's one of the most common feminist arguments for why men are commonly attacked in "feminist spaces" when they try to talk about the problems men face.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 04:08 PM
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I think I've seen some of what you're talking about and I think (hope?) it's the result of common arguments such as "replace man with black man" or in the case of "women are more privileged than men" people then applying that reversal of expectations to racial dynamic, sometimes their point is rather ambiguous and a racist interpretation is possible and sometimes obvious, other times you'll see a complaint about affirmative action for women and then someone will expand it to a problem with affir…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:17 PM
0

It may have been exaggerated, I can't dispute that, but from the perspective of a longtime gamer, I just don't see more than a handful of games with female leads.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:08 PM
1

I admit, I knew nothing of the existence of BFG and personally (keep in mind, the following in an opinion) have trouble lumping games like the kind I saw on a (very) brief scan of the website with other games and see them as more akin to pre-loaded games like solitaire, Mahjong, or pinball.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:05 PM
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I'm referencing personal experience because that's where I draw my examples from. I'm not going to give false data because you don't like my sources. I'm not arguing that all girls play CoD, that would be as stupid as saying that all guys play CoD. I'm just saying that from what I've seen (again, if I'm not pulling from my personal experience when discussing my personal experience, I don't know what you want) female gamers are not uncommon, nor have a seen a significant difference in approximate…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 02:59 PM
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I thought I had sources on hand in the form of a textbook, however it will require quite a bit of time to rule out the possibility that I'm recalling lecture/discussion material rather than from the text. I'll get you a source ASAP.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 02:54 PM
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No, I'm just listing them together because they could both be used there and be accurate. The longhand version of what I'm saying is More than once here I've seen people say some rather questionable things about women that on a surface level do look rather misogynistic and more than once here I've seen people say some rather questionable things about feminism that on a surface level do look rather misogynistic.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 02:48 PM
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Hrm. Source of any sort? I only ask because time spent in a Social Psychology classroom has told me otherwise.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 06:26 AM
1

Your whole stand is contingent on a lack of masculinity does imply the presence of femininity which myself and (IIRC) other have disagreed with. In reference to "You X like a girl" it is seen as insulting either because "you're like a girl" or "you're not like a boy," and given the developmental desires at that age, being removed from your "group" would be the bigger insult. As for "pussy" and "bitch"... "Pussy" is generally a slur used to somewhat police mens' gender while "bitch" represents a …
/r/MensRights25/06/14 06:25 AM
1

I think you may underestimate the number of Nintendo Gamers as compared to CoD gamers though I'm not certain we'd be able to get the numbers to prove that either way, and again, I may just be biased from my own samplings. I think there is room to say that certain games are marketed towards certain demographics but the gender role, with all the social implications it caries, is the constraint rather than the gender itself. I will also say the number of female oriented groups admonishing the gamin…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 06:16 AM
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You've got to keep in mind that most of the time when speaking of things like this we're not talking on a conscious "I'll imply his masculinity is in question therefore he is less valuable as a male!" level and more of a "I'll use an insult I've learned is appropriate for this situation!" level where the first statement is the subconscious, unpacked, version of the second. In that situation there is rarely an open unmanning-therefore-feminization. To your first two quotes I won't say you're wron…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 06:07 AM
1

Again, from personal experience: games like Animal Crossing have Nintendo Appeal; that is to say they appeal across the board and mostly across gender, as to the other games, I can only guess but most have the same Nintendo Appeal. Pure conjecture, but I think the "lack of games marketed to girls" falls into the category of diminishing returns; they're not getting boycotted/actively loosing sales now and any change would be risky and risky is something the gaming market can't really do now with …
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:57 AM
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I can largely agree with that. I only dispute the idea that there are "games for girls"; I think we see this because it is perpetuated, rather than because it is a gender difference. That is to say, it's a difference in the gender role rather than in a gender preference. I largely say this because I've seen gratuitous interest in some of those games by women but YMMV and all that.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:49 AM
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Yeah, that's the connotation. The feminist argument as I understand it is usually that we find it bad because we find female traits/femininity bad whereas the argument I'm seeing in this thread is that we're seeing the lack of, "genuine" femininity as bad or the lack masculinity/failure to live up to masculine standards as bad.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:44 AM
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Value as a sexual/reproductive partner, I believe.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:38 AM
3

Thought that occurred as I read your post: would we say that when women are willing to fuck and date a man with feminine traits with regularity those traits become either gender neutral or masculine?
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:35 AM
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Alternatively, it could be that a man having a pussy or having no balls is a negative. It's a minor difference but I think it's important because we again get to the "not a man" argument as opposed to seeing him as a woman. Potential negativity in the form of transphobia aside, of course.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:31 AM
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I don't necessarily disagree with that. Allow me to phrase the first portion differently, if I may: If you want to play as a male character, you have more options. To the final bit: I would like to agree but I keep thinking of the games with set characters such as the Drake games, GoW, MGS, etc. and how we end up with stories of manly men doing awesome things whereas we have all of... Tomb Raider for female protagonists. I still see a divide, now whether we choose to call that a problem or not i…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 05:21 AM
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A lot of times it's the pervasive social stigma, much like when I preface a good book that has a strong romantic sub-plot with "yeah, there's a strong romance novel vibe but if you can get past that it's good" when discussing it with my male friends: I've been told implicitly that those aren't the things I should enjoy, that that those who do like it are "odd" in some way. Gamer guys love that shit Which leads some to fear they'll be somewhat fetishized for being a gamer girl (by which I mean so…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 04:29 AM
1

My personal experience shows girls playing CoD and Halo with no one playing Quake or Doom since the early days and very little Battlefield, no one I know plays Counterstrike with GTA being a rarity. But I know girls who fangirl over the Assassin's Creed series just as bad as most of the guys I know, if not occasionally worse; I loaned out my copy of Skyrim for nearly 3 months because a female friend was into it and she currently has my Mass Effect series, my Fable series, Red Dead Redemption, an…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 04:20 AM
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Of the girls I know who play FPS, most refuse to headset because of the joke. Others game when they can because they don't have access to their own console because it was so strongly frowned upon up until they were "out on their own" or at least as out on your own as you can be being a full time college student (discounting nontraditional students).
/r/MensRights25/06/14 04:05 AM
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First and foremost, let me make one thing clear: Fuck. Social. Justice. I care about the true state of things, not some bullshit ideal wherein one will never be offended and one's ingroup is never wrong. To address the actual question, Perhaps the highlighted one describing the story arc of a typical video game, and its rank incompatibility with the things the VAST majority of women are interested in? That would be the one. I've seen no more interest in the things listed by women than by men. Ma…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:56 AM
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Most of the gamers I know go for action/adventure/RPGs with a side of shooter, male and female.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:45 AM
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Maybe it's because I'm relying almost purely on personal experience, although I suspect we all are, for the most part, but I from what I've seen the use of female avatars is a novelty after "the main playthrough" and out of the female gamers I know, only one of them goes out of her way to play more "feminine" games and she openly acknowledges supporting traditional gender roles while the rest cite a social stigma for not getting into gaming before they did.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:43 AM
1

I largely agree, and I think it's critical we maintain the ability to be self-critical and be willing to address legitimate problems when they arrive.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:31 AM
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Women are just as interested in playing games about war, fighting, crime, sports, racing, politics, and technology, as it happens, though some of them are put off by finding little to no relatable characters.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:25 AM
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Well there's this. I mean, I do consider myself an MRA, but evidently pointing out the potential existence of misogyny seems to be the quickest way to be labeled a "concern trolling SJW" by some members. Misandry is real, but so is misogyny.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 03:22 AM
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Yeah, that's usually the truth of it, but we do contain enough people who say things in such a manner as to come across as misogynistic to the casual observer. It is not uncommon to come across a statement (thankfully at the bottom of the page in most older threads) that looks like someone is racing to prove Godwin's Law or saying some dressed up version of "your argument is wrong because it disagrees with me." I'm just saying we have enough people who are, in fact, misogynists, that it shouldn'…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 02:40 AM
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If you choose to embrace logic and principles like Occam's Razor, the MRM's version is far, far superior. From a simple premise (that men and women have different sexual value in society, and that gasp women have more) you can come up with with a theory without any of the convoluted twisting, rationalizing, and outright contradiction that feminism/Madonna's version presents. Namely, that a man dressing himself like a woman (or acting feminine) is a person with lower sexual value taking on the af…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 02:24 AM
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Yeah, but if I walk across my college campus with my 3DS on I'll streetpass an almost equal number of men and women on any given day. Choosing your style of game to make a point doesn't really help matters when you use a setup that favors your outcome. Besides, which is the chicken there and which is the egg?
/r/MensRights25/06/14 02:07 AM
1

And that's the horrible part about Schrodinger's Rapist: even by a literal interpretation where you could be either, it still mean you could be a rapist and then it becomes safer to treat you as such because hey, you never know, right? That extra step makes it even more off-putting.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 10:09 PM
1

I think the core argument being presented here/in situations like this is the unbalanced lack of female leads. Put most games up on a dart board and throw a dart at it. You'd have to try not to hit a game with a male lead.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 10:02 PM
1

One would think, right? However one common theme I see is referring to the erosion of the due process rights of those accused of rape.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 09:53 PM
1

If I had to guess I'd say he(?) means "All rape accusations are both false and true until proven true" and possible that they should be treated one way or the other until proven.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 09:48 PM
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I'm referring to the general public's view of the MRM or the opinion one might form from a casual observance of r/mensrights at an inopportune time. More than once here I've seen people say some rather questionable things about women/feminism that on a surface level do look rather misogynistic (and sometimes are, because these people exist) and sometimes these viewpoints, once explained, make perfect sense and have changed the views I've held on the topic. I'm not saying r/feminism isn't a scary…
/r/MensRights24/06/14 09:10 PM
1

Raised by both parents before and after they divorced. Father was the disciplinarian. All teachers were female aside from the gym coach (net result ~84% were female).
/r/MensRights24/06/14 08:34 PM
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I don't think it's necessarily "criticism of feminism" that people see as "hatred of women" so much as outright hatred of feminism and equating it with Nazism. A deeper look at this viewpoint proves that even then it isn't hatred of women but that requires one to actually take that deeper look.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 08:30 PM
1

'other discussions' has /r/feminism talking about the same article. It's interesting to note the differences in the "discussions"
/r/MensRights24/06/14 02:28 PM
2

The only dismissal I see is in your interpretation; skirt isn't inherently dismissive when referring to it/them as articles of clothing or dress and was only used here to "dress" chauvinism to differentiate it from 'male' chauvinism.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 02:04 PM
1

It is not necessarily designed to dismiss or belittle so much as using skirt (which is traditionally associated with the female gender role and by extension, women) to describe chauvinism, which is traditionally preformed by men directed at women. It's a way of saying gender-swap chauvinism using traditional symbolism.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 01:58 PM
1

To clarify, by this I mean as a way to separate those that actively hurt and oppose men from those that are following an ideology (albeit misinformed) of equality. Lumping them together creates adversaries of those who would otherwise be potential allies.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 01:34 PM
1

No, but that's because no one that knows anything about the subject advocates that bacteria is inherently harmful or that we need to eradicate it all.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 01:26 PM
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The problem is that it's impossible to gain ground as long as they can define words how they choose. Sexism, racism, etc. already have firmly ingrained meanings in people's minds, meanings that tend to carry strong reactions, and if you can hi-jack those words, you can drum up a hell of a lot more support than you could otherwise, often by recruiting people who think you're fighting for one thing when you're fighting for something else altogether. Much like rape and rape culture, it seems
/r/MensRights22/06/14 03:07 PM
-1

Could we perhaps approach this by specifying Feminists In PowerTM as such when we talk about how Feminism and Feminists hurt us?
/r/MensRights22/06/14 02:56 PM
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I don't think it's a good idea to necessarily assume right off the bat that she's thinking/intending to make a false allegation, but that being said, it can't hurt to keep records of everything here. With any luck she's just honestly curious about what happened, and going on the (obviously) defensive just increases the chances she'll feel like something isn't right with the situation and it makes you look sketchy as fuck.
/r/MensRights22/06/14 12:57 PM
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Seems like they don't know the difference between racism/sexism and institutionalized racism/sexism.
/r/MensRights22/06/14 12:45 PM
1

I started a reply to someone defending this and rapidly realized it amounted to a gender reversed explanation of patriarchy. Make of that what you will.
/r/MensRights22/06/14 02:56 AM
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The problem with "this is just one potential explanation" theories like this is that they are often used as concrete fact which is, obviously, problematic. Now, if there is a "bad boy" draw that is significant enough to be mentioned with any credence, there would obviously be some sort of advantage but the learned-behavior model works much better in explaining it. With that being said, there is room to assume that there is also room for a cultural component. In short, I think your theory actuall…
/r/MensRights22/06/14 02:48 AM
2

I'm likely to have a class with a teacher who is, while not this bad, clearly of a "check your privilege" and "here's how this harms women specifically" bent. Any tips?
/r/MensRights21/06/14 11:14 PM
2

"psychology rape"? What the hell is the logic there?
/r/MensRights21/06/14 11:08 PM
3

Very well said and something I think we would benefit from if broadly applied.
/r/MensRights21/06/14 01:48 AM
1

No, Republicans just don't seem to put any racial issues in the limelight when it comes to political platforms. Race is no longer on the agenda. No need to insult just because you misunderstand my statement.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 09:38 PM
1

It's doing both; even before I started frequenting these forums I would peruse the occasional article about feminism and when it would bring up "this is rape" or "she was raped" I would have the visceral emotional reaction and then read the article where what was described didn't sound like rape so much as either poor choices or regret. The white knight types appear because they've (I think) largely only seen the veneer of "rape is rape is rape" (which sounds noble) without seeing what they're t…
/r/MensRights20/06/14 01:38 PM
2

And its "what." English mother fucker use it. "Wat?" or "Wut" are commonly used to show a totally lack of comprehension or extreme confusion. IRL it's the equivalent of staring at someone blankly because something they said made absolutely no sense to you. Or he could be someone who needed the Samuel L. Jackson quote *shrug*
/r/MensRights20/06/14 01:21 PM
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I think where he's trying to go with this is that while the above statement is true, the past of the organization doesn't reflect the current values of the organization. Am I right? Do I get a cookie?
/r/MensRights20/06/14 01:10 PM
1

I'm sorry, did I miss a memo? When did being a "bro" become a bad thing?
/r/MensRights20/06/14 04:42 AM
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I don't see the connection between the tittle of the link and the actual article. Yes the cite males often but they don't actually seem to be talking about raising the drinking age for one gender or the other.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 03:46 AM
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He actively says no, but would it matter?
/r/MensRights20/06/14 03:40 AM
1

Life largely isn't fair because we tell ourselves it isn't so we perpetuate that. Truthfully when equality is in play, it is fair, although we don't always label it as such.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 03:33 AM
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Odd. Every girl I know that does this is quite frequently asked why they are apologizing or told there is no need to and is only seen (in my experience) in those who have obvious social issues anyway. I've seen men using "sorry" in the same context as is mentioned in the article but it's often not meant as an apology so much as a throwaway statement when addressing in a superior position (professor, boss, potential business partner), or alternatively, when used to deliberately play social games.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 01:21 AM
1

As someone who has taken several counseling classes this doesn't sit well at all and flies in the face of even basic therapeutic practices.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 01:09 AM
1

Welcome to the mine field that is social science.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 12:24 AM
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That's the largest problem with this, I think. It's diluting actual rape. I think they're trying to get everyone to think of all these acts as rape so that we'll have the strong abhorrent reaction to them when all that's happening is we're getting to the point where the reaction to "rape" isn't the strong negative reaction so much as a "eh, I doubt he did anything really bad." And that's something that hurts all of us.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 07:02 PM
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Yeah, gods forbid I have the rights, let alone the desire to defend them.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 06:24 PM
0

Interesting that the "manly man" here uses (I think) Germanic sounding words as well as Latin. Does it seem like some sort of shot at Germanic Europeans and Roman Imperialism or am I just reading too much into this?
/r/MensRights19/06/14 06:18 PM
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as men, we have no right to tell women what rape is. We have no right to weigh in on the logistics of what constitutes rape. Our role is to shut up and stop raping people." I... I... What? This is not a purely woman's issue. Men get raped as well and men are effected by the definition of rape. The hell if our voices shan't be heard. /rant when she was asked how an innocent person is supposed to prove consent: “Your guess is as good as mine. I think it’s a legal issue. Like any legal issue, that …
/r/MensRights19/06/14 06:11 PM
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Does no one stop to think how this would sound with "man" replaced with any minority? Or hell, just the other gender? How are people this stupid?
/r/MensRights19/06/14 06:08 PM
1

I don't know that I've ever really noticed it. I grew up with the message that shaving is something that some men do and when I realized that I looked better with a beard I kept it, shaving only to create/experiment with different styles (chinstrap/goatee). Is "body shaming" in the form of facial hair expression really a thing (other than the occasional mocking of those who can't grow facial hair/those who choose the "neckbeard" look)?
/r/MensRights19/06/14 05:58 PM
2

Yup. Was my sci-fi base camp, although I worry about it given what the movies are doing.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 05:53 PM
2

Personally, within the dynamic of my relationships with other men, I find joking body shaming to be fairly common, especially as it extends to beards. One of my best friends can't manage more than a penciled in mustache/goatee and I myself am a rather hirsute fellow in all regards (Beard, long hair, etc.) and we often make passing jokes about it, but that falls into the classic "play fighting" that is a large part of the male gender role and not something either of us would permit outside of our…
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:48 PM
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Which changes the dynamic. It might not be better per say, but one can't necessarily use the past of prohibition as a basis for conjecture of how it would work in this context due to the altered nature of it.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:25 PM
5

The corollary to this is the number of young women in college who actively plan on getting drunk and getting laid, sometimes knowing that the only way this will go through with it is if they have had their inhibitions lowered with alcohol.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:16 PM
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Honestly it depends on the size of the college. If it's smaller, I would recommend doing what you can to build yourself up as an "upstanding citizen" and take advantage of word of mouth as far as who is "safe" in that regard and... Holy shit, I sound like I'm telling a girl how not to get raped. This is where we're at guys, telling each other how to make sure we're not falsely accused of rape. Fuck.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:08 PM
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Lets not give them plausible deniability by way of Poe's Law. The last thing you want to do is have them take a troll comment seriously.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:02 PM
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Honestly, why not just say "the dress code is this" (leave it non-gendered but note that a bra is an undergarment) and leave it at that? I honestly think we as MRAs should be calling from the hilltops to stop school officials from mentioning "distracting boys" from the equation. What you're wearing isn't inappropriate because boys might look, it's inappropriate because it violates the dress code.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:58 PM
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I was threatened numerous times at school for having long hair, I was told that if I didn't get it cut they would pull me out of class and take me to the barber themselves. I always just got it cut myself but they weren't empty threats and every now and then you'd see someone get carted off to the barber. I do believe my high school would have rioted. Nearly half the men in my graduating class had had hair that at least reached their shoulders at some point or another.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:51 PM
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As much as I sympathize with this, I think it would be unwise to take the "life isn't fair so why should we pretend otherwise" approach if only for the reason that then no one would care when it wasn't which is to say, if we teach people to try to make life fairer, we might see people have more sympathy and put in more effort for those who need it. Just my 2 cents.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:43 PM
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From what I understand the logic is usually that they become even more rowdy when confronted and some teacher just don't think it's worth it.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:30 PM
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It's not prohibition in the traditional sense, which makes the comparison moot.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:23 PM
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Even when both students consumed alcohol, “assuming it is a male and female, it is the responsibility in the case of the male to gain consent before proceeding with sex.” Well that's fucking horrifying, especially as a male in college.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:02 AM
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Maybe this is just me being a dick, but my honest first question to Finally, my turn comes, and I say my answer. How she replies to it is, "No, I wouldn't really say so," somewhere belong those lines. She didn't write it on the board. With in a minute, a girl raised her hand and said the exact same thing that I said. How she responded to it was, "That is the best answer we've have had yet! Give her a round of applause!" But did you? Not trying to be an ass, but as someone who does fairly well ac…
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:00 AM
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The point, I think, is that most of clothes that are chosen are of the "clearly displays your bra regardless of how you are standing" variety. I'm not far out of (public) high-school and I've never seen a girl get asked to change for something that didn't make the bra straps completely visible.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:35 AM
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Well, part of the problem here is that equality would be if necklines were roughly equal. Rarely do I see a man's shirt that reveals more than a hint of collarbone whereas the shirt of the average high-school/college girl seems to sit firmly below that. If to this you would cite the difficulty in finding the clothes that are both stylish and fitting of the code, stylish is what should be cut first.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:34 AM
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Except, according to common rhetoric, they didn't because patriarchy.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 02:27 AM
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Really? Why's that?
/r/MensRights15/06/14 06:07 PM
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What if his choice of clothing didn't leave room for keys, wallet, and phone? (skinny jeans, style choices that don't have many, if any pockets, etc.) And why should he be inconvenienced if he happened to be carrying his laptop? At the end of the day the argument there is "why do you need that right?" at least from my perspective.
/r/MensRights15/06/14 06:06 PM
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I've not experience anything I would label open misandry and came to the movement in response to my struggles in trying to understand what the "right" or "appropriate" course of action was in the dating world. I realized no one wanted to have a conversation about that and the inconsistencies therein and was mostly met with feminist rhetoric that I couldn't agree with, pushing me to seek out a counter-movement. I'm not autistic but I'm very introverted which was, at one time, considered to be on …
/r/MensRights12/06/14 02:26 AM
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I'm guessing Not All Feminists Are Like That/Not All Women Are Like That.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 01:50 AM
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I think it's well worded, or at least not poorly worded. I don't think I would try to word it any differently; I'm too likely to accidentally come across as condescending.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 02:02 AM
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I agree with the point but I think the tone and way it was written makes it harmful to the movement and gives (admittedly very shitty) justification for ignoring what is actually said.
/r/MensRights10/06/14 07:21 PM
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Also, I would advise against saying "women are this or that" or "feminists are this or that", we all know some feminists are not like that and women are not like that, so why say it like that? all it does is push people away, for example a feminist that wants to check her facts might see this and just walk away and stop listening. A woman might see this and think we think all women do awful things and walk away. Most people wont comment and dig deeper, most people will just stop listening. I thi…
/r/MensRights10/06/14 07:15 PM
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To look at it another way, we are being hurt and are in pain. Others who were hurt and in pain are being tended too while we are being ignored which only compounds our pain causing us to lash out, perhaps irrationally at times but not unjustly.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 10:43 PM
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After doing so, I think that the "men are more oppressed" bit is a direct reaction to having a movement specifically advocate for women that in turn began to hurt men. It's looking at the knife in your arm and going "HOLY SHIT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS, YES THE PERSON NEXT TO ME HAS ONE IN HIS ARM THAT'S 1/8" DEEPER BUT HOLY SHIT THERE'S A KNIFE IN MY ARM." And then most everyone does... nothing. Meanwhile, the person next to you is rushed to the ER with all haste. It causes more than a little bit…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 04:04 PM
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No, by all means those are absolutely fucked up statements by fucked up people, but judging all feminists by those statements will alienate potential allies. There are too many individuals who happen to be feminists that will call those fucked up statements the same as we will who we will never reach if we lump them all together.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:46 PM
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Hrm. Not entirely sure I agree there but I can't say I completely disagree either. To me, she's part of a broken system that encourages regret as rape and lets people define it after the fact and does nothing to discourage false accusations. I don't hate her, but I do hate the system.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:41 PM
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No no, not at all, I don't mean to imply that. I'm suggesting we celebrate the distance traveled while acknowledging the hurdles we still have. I'm not saying stand by and let it happen, you're right, fuck that, but take pride in what has been and is being achieved.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:38 PM
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Rape has been defined for 100s of years, until that definition was infected by identity politics and gender ideology. Are you implying that before this "infection" the definition of rape was "right"? I ask because I'm honestly trying to get an accurate understanding of what you mean. This woman refused to leave this guys place several times, even after he asked if she was alright. This is ludicrous. Absolutely. To me, rape shouldn't be the main focus of this event so much as that she clearly has…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:35 PM
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I think that because the movement is so underrepresented to the public (and often represented inaccurately), the face of men's rights is up for grabs to whoever can paint themselves as being "it" in the eyes of the public, rather than those who actually identify as part of the Men's Rights Movement. Until the MRM is a more widely known movement, we're vying for that mantle against all those that could be the face of it. As a side note, i find it pretty funny that people are taking Cracked, a dis…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:25 PM
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A little myopic to think women's sexual liberation is about you don't you think? Lesbians are a thing. I'm not saying it's about me, so much that I benefited from it. You're also pretty foolish to think A) sexuality has changed much besides the openness of it and risks The openness of it is a huge change in and of itself. Perceptions are powerful things. B) feminism is at all responsible for the sexual liberation of women. The factors that allowed more openness and less risks for sex in our soci…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:12 PM
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Reading. These types of posts have been made by many others. Use the search function. That is one way to do it, but not one that works for everyone. That's my understanding of why there is a lecture component with the potential for Q&A in addition to reading in most college courses. What do you propose, when other subreddits ban MR members for just asking questions? I'm not saying it's a bad thing mind, I'm just noting that it is. It's unavoidable and not limited to /r/MensRights . If there's ho…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:00 PM
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Basic human psychology: good acts don't balance out bad ones at a 1:1 ratio. Some of the people here view feminism as so bad they feel comfortable comparing it to Nazism so the amount of "good" that would need to be done for it to balance out is almost impossible to achieve. I think the only way to balance this out would be via "good feminists" to become public figures and set an image of "good" institutionalized feminism. That, and enough "good" feminists to provide contrast, much like with rac…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 02:52 PM
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True, but when you invoke being an MRA you get everyone's baggage with the MRM as well. That is, if I tell my very feminist professor I'm an MRA they associate it with the negative stereotype much the way MRAs will frequently associate being a feminist with the negative stereotypes that have been presented here.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:00 AM
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Given that I'm a larger guy I like baggy clothes as a rule. I think you misunderstand, my understanding is that most women don't want their choice in clothing to be made uncomfortable by social pressures. That is to say, most of us aren't comfortable walking around day to day in pajama pants but that's more a social thing than because they're uncomfortable.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:58 PM
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There is a difference between challenging your own views, and challenging others' views. How are you supposed to get a comprehensive understanding of the differences and similarities without asking questions that do challenge others? They defend and you end up with a better understanding of where they're coming from. Agreed. Lucky for us, we have no shortage of "opposing perspectives", since they're the norm. No but talking about Men's Rights in /r/MensRights is an echo chamber from what I've se…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:54 PM
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I have a feeling you wouldnt be quite as tolerant or asking people to try to understand why people identify with it. I understand the skepticism, but I pride myself on my curiosity even in the face of "obvious" answers. nothing but people supporting fear mongering of men. I think that we should as who those *people* are. There feminism, to an extent, but there's also a culture that does, to a degree, objectify women. It creates a double standard, yeah, but that doesn't make how they feel about i…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:50 PM
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That all of the "men's rights" movements (MRM, TheRedPill, PUA, PUAHate) spent time trying to distance themselves from other subgroups but they were really all evil, among other things. In the interest of full disclosure, they specifically called out Reddit but every link they used as a reference led back to /r/theredpill
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:35 PM
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I think the point, in these situations, is that some people have enough personal experience that even the idea of "Feminists are evil" is completely out of left field because they've never knowingly had a bad experience with a feminist.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:31 PM
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To be fair when you invoke the title of feminism you get everyone's baggage with feminism as well.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:27 PM
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If I promise to fight douchey 'feminists', will you promise to fight douchey 'MRA'? I'll chip in on this.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:23 PM
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Which is why you came here to convince us that feminism is good. Seems legit. /s I would argue that that is the ideal way to challenge your perception; put it up against others and compare and contrast. It's why I like PolicyMic and Upworthy on Facebook and yet still come here. Letting yourself get caught in an echo chamber is good for no one.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:22 PM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo6mlYlIgAAWwo8.jpg Got reblogged and liked by thousands upon thousands of feminists. It got reblogged because people identified with it, even if only for the length of time it takes for someone to hit "reblog." I think we should ask ourselves why that is.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:19 PM
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And there we have it. That's what it always boils down to. You're trying to convince everyone here that your feminism is the correct feminism. All those other feminists who say that their feminism is the 'one true feminism' are just pretenders. Neither of you have any way to support your claims about which one is correct. Wasn't that one of the points of the Cracked article from the other day about Men's Rights?
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:16 PM
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As difficult as it is, we are seeing progress. Hell, the fact that this kind of article is being written points to that. We argue enough and people start to take notice of the problems with the laws being passed. Feminism pushed for the betterment of women and got it. It's only natural that a movement such as this rose saying "Uh, there's some bullshit here." We're going though the hard times where the "old regime pushes back against those questioning it. Then we'll have our series of noteworthy…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:03 PM
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Honestly, I see two victims here, but I don't see anyone that should be actively punished except for a society that is struggling to define rape while also prosecute it as one of the most heinous crimes.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:47 PM
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Hm. Interesting. I'm mostly focused on asking questions that others may know the answers to because as far as MRM or feminism related things I consider myself more "on the ground" than focused on the institutionalized aspects of either so I have to recourse other than asking and looking for clarification and the spread of information. I mean, it's not that I'm trying to say that stupid people on either side somehow balances out the situation so much as neither side has a monopoly on stupidity. *…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:41 PM
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Not all feminists are evil, just virtually all the ones who matter, and yes every part of feminism is detrimental to men. I'm sorry, but living in an age where a woman is sexually liberated enough to approach me is not detrimental to me as a man nor is it detrimental to men as a whole. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEoTQB7h3NQ "You're fucking evil and can't understand why you're wrong. You're doing nothing but perpetuation the oppression of ____" Is that an MRA talking about feminism or a RadFe…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:34 PM
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This isn't a thread on really understanding the feminist argument, it's a thread about what we think about that stance. Er, that strikes me as akin to "this isn't about understanding the topic, this is about judging it!" with the implication that you don't/don't have to understand it to judge it. Just my perspective, of course.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:27 PM
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Ah, okay. Thanks for that. Makes sense now.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:19 PM
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It's hilarious that your example of "evil men with power oppressing women" is a politician who has yet to live down that idiotic statement. Meanwhile feminists who speak of gendercide are still hailed as icons. Are they? I actively have no idea who that politician is other than that he's male and only know him because of that statement. Same goes for the women related to those quotes. Where are they hailed as icons at? Is it in "mainstream" feminism?
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:17 PM
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It doesn't. But some people should not be complaining about other "undressing them with their eyes" if they dress to impress. Yes and no, I think. Some unwanted attention is unavoidable, of course, but at the same time getting eyeballed all night by the "creeper in the corner" is cause for some alarm, I would think. As a blanket complaint against getting more attention than was intended it's practically invalid. That doesn't mean it's never warranted. And honestly, I'm sure you're a lot more com…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:14 PM
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As of mentioned elsewhere, this kind of logic seems to lead to two parties both waiting for the other to admit they've done wrong first. Not all feminists are evil and not every aspect of feminism is detrimental to men. Sure thing...when they stop conspiring against the rights of men See, this is actively othering feminism as a whole and dehumanizing all those that are a part of it no different than talk of "Rape Culture" does to men.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:08 PM
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There is, but not immediately at my fingertips. It's fairly well established that the more partners a woman has before marriage, the more likely the marriage will fail due to her infidelity. The lack of easily accessed data is frustrating, although not unexpected and somewhat kills this talking point. This wouldn't be relevant either way. Cheating is cheating, it doesn't matter how badly it hurts. I think you misunderstand. Emotional cheating isn't how much cheating hurts anyone so much as it is…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:04 PM
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I'm not referring to Men With Power<sup>TM</sup> , I'm referring to the laundry list of American politicians that make statements like legitimate rape and other stupidity.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:50 PM
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How does she fit the definition of a "slut"? Even if she was promiscuous, how is that something to use to attack her? Seems like there's too little evidence to judge from the outside given that up to a point the two utterly disagree.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:45 PM
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What evidence is there that she is a "slut"? And if she is, how is that something that should be used derogatorily? It looks to me like there is too much conflicting evidence to declare it one way or the other.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:43 PM
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Part of the feminist argument is usually that the prevalence of male-on-female rape is due to a lack of respecting women as humans.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:30 PM
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that the general culture shouldn't be depicted for women as something akin to notorious areas for rich men Could you clarify that? Even after reading it twice it still makes no sense to me.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:28 PM
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The goal isn't to be invisible though, the goal is to be able to be comfortable in your clothing of choice without fear that that will be seen as an invitation to sexual acts. It's totally about attracting attention, but seeking attention doesn't equate "take me now"
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:25 PM
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-popular feminist sayings Phrases I've never heard in person, only in a bumper-sticker context. "Cool story babe, no go make me a sandwich" and every joke made about women in the kitchen. These are on shirts. They're no worse. Quotes The laundry list of quotes from men in power completely dismissing rape or the existence of abortion points out that this isn't one-sided stupidity.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:17 PM
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they're more likely to cheat on their boyfriends and husbands Is there proof of this? And if there is, does it take into account emotional cheating and the way the two (generally) effect men and women differently? As far as promiscuity being "bad"... Well it does bear its own penalties, does it not? It's pretty hard to argue such reckless behavior is "good." Why does it have to be either? Why can't people as a whole just enjoy sex without being labeled as somehow bad or immoral for doing so if t…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:08 PM
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And here we see the meaning of rape being diluted.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:04 PM
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The compromise could be as simple as being willing to not demonize or otherwise alienate feminists as a grounds for them to do the same for us.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 08:52 PM
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No but we could stop treating feminism as some monumental evil conspiracy. Treating it like that is no different than when feminists cite the evil "patriarchy." It deforms reality by taking a skewed version of the truth and presenting it as as undeniable fact. edit: spelling
/r/MensRights08/06/14 08:45 PM
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However, when I come onto MRA areas there seems to be the overwhelming feeling that overall in the world men are more oppressed, which is just clearly not true and I feel like that hurts our points more than anything. I've not seen that. From what I've seen it's more like we feel that the ways in which we are oppressed aren't acknowledged and we're often told that our problems "aren't real problems" and that we should be ashamed of acknowledging them ourselves if women still have problems. It's …
/r/MensRights08/06/14 08:13 PM
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But is that evidence of feminism creating/encouraging misandry or are those more likely to display misandry attracted to the pro-women space that is feminism? It seems like you've come to a conclusion on that without actually asking the question (no offense intended).
/r/MensRights08/06/14 08:12 PM
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That's not hating women, that's balking the beginnings of a stereotype.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 07:35 PM
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If I had to guess, I would say because it implies that the women actively did something unreasonably stupid to provoke the crime, which is extremely disrespectful toward those who have been victimized. It's essentially say "Of course this happened? What did you expect, being so irresponsible."
/r/MensRights08/06/14 06:58 PM
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Partially because one of the tenets of feminism is that "slutty" is offensive because it implies promiscuity is bad?
/r/MensRights08/06/14 06:51 PM
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The simple version? Declaring men to be subhuman inherently violent monsters that should be put down/"fixed" and all cisgendered heterosexual sex is rape. Spend 20 minutes looking at the results from a "social justice" search on Tumblr, there's a painfully large overlap between social justice and feminism on there. I'll admit, it could be a painfully overactive group of trolls but if it is they're painfully dedicated looking like women demonizing men. I'll also admit that they, as a whole, are t…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 03:43 PM
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Where do you get apologize from? Perhaps not the right word here; I'm meaning apologize/take the first step to correcting the problem. You are asking me to forgive them before they have stooped. I won't. I just expect this from women and teat them that way. That's what leads to the self fulfilling prophecy we expect them to be bitches and treat them as such and they, in turn can go on with a negative opinion of men because of that encounter and then it will be justified because of the way we've …
/r/MensRights08/06/14 03:01 PM
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That's rather unfair though, isn't it? This logic leads to two uncooperative groups refusing to acknowledge the humanity of the other unless they apologize first.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 07:44 AM
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True, but the same can be said of any group, much like why many MRAs have such issues with feminism. Tumblr feminists generally getting this dubious honor. Their position as the vocal feminist creates a rather substantial strawman to be disconnected with.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 07:39 AM
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I think that would yield a different result than an ideal Feminism/Men's Rights cooperation. Too much room for one thing to get prioritized over others and then we end up with something akin to modern feminism. I think the ideal would be neither movement stepping on the other.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 07:20 AM
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I'd say a bit of both. I would argue that the statistical differences aren't necessarily significant but most of the time a lot of feminist issues are at least politicized around statistics like that so while it doesn't appear your argument by itself was great, your method of holding them accountable to their own logic was admirable, I think. On the other hand, I could be making a strawman here given that she never actually tried to do much with a platform based on statistics with questionable m…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 07:14 AM
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May I direct you here? http://redd.it/27lpnl I'll be among the first to admit that there can be some rather toxic commentary that comes up during some Men's Rights conversations but I think it's important to understand where that comes from. We've gotten to the point where the response we can expect in these social spheres is some variation of "You can't talk about this, you're a man" or "you can't understand, you're male" and that, when in a climate supposedly focused on equality can create qui…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 07:02 AM
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I'd say your pros, cons, and where you went wrong are all wrapped up in the way you repeated yourself. While the repetition did add some nuance to each layer of the conversation, it was also the sort of behavior that can (and does) end up irking those who don't have the patience for that kind of conversation (most people). I do find it interesting that she(I assume) said It's not to put on a blindfold and just attribute stuff to gendered issues and go and whack anything that sticks it's head up …
/r/MensRights08/06/14 06:56 AM
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As someone who (somewhat) identifies as both my main thought boils down to be the change you want to see (as horrendously cliched as that is). We avoid being adversarial about it (that is, none of this "here's why you're wrong" and similar stuff that both sides pull). Call out BS when we see it on both sides. -Don't be afraid to argue with those within your community but stay on task when you do. When someone comes into /r/mensrights spewing what is unquestionably misogynistic speech don't be af…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 06:34 AM
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The number of people giving sound advice (that's not so different than advice usually given women in these situations) is heartening.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 06:27 AM
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Er, that's because by itself it is largely a useless statistic for all intents and purposes save for the number it provides. If you bring literally any other piece of information, which you would need to in order to provide the statistic with meaning, it's no longer on it's own. Anything that can be said or extrapolated from this data relies upon outside information providing some form of context. We have no way of knowing if that number is "a lot" or "nearly zero" without context. If I say "a s…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 06:01 AM
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To be fair, there's no nipple showing and that seems to be the only thing they normally care about. (Not to be insensitive to those who have been through it).
/r/MensRights08/06/14 05:33 AM
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Ah. I had seen that, actually. I interpreted /u/circuitology 's comment as saying that those "pointing out that the statistics had no context and therefore difficult to discern meaning" (again, paraphrasing for attempts at clarity) were being banned for that message rather than claiming anyone was being banned for saying "Women are getting treated better every year," which, if I'm not mistaken, was a phrase your brought into this conversation.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 05:30 AM
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To clarify I'm really not completely sure where this But still, there was never a person alive who said "Women are getting treated better every year," and was banned, silenced, or debated. or this If you're having a problem with getting banned for saying the treatment of women is improving that's because you're not saying the treatment of women is improving, you're saying something else. is coming from unless it was some post in /r/twoxchromosome that no one bother to actually link to. I'm more …
/r/MensRights08/06/14 05:15 AM
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I'm not meaning to imply that there has been. I'm saying that it appears that a relatively neutral statement "X% of women experience sexual violence. That's an improvement" (again, a paraphrased statement), and your interpretation of that is that seems to be that someone being raped is a good thing. I understand that, I just think it's essentially putting words in people's mouths. I'd ban and silence you from the subreddit too if you said that. Seriously. So you're saying if I don't compare 22 m…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 04:48 AM
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That's... not what's being said. The statement, paraphrased, is "The numbers are down, there has been an improvement." While technically the statement could be: "Ya know, 22 million woman being raped isn't that bad. It's better then last year!" that's a deliberately uncharitable interpretation. What's being focused on by most here isn't that there are still 22M women being raped each year and the relative morality of that number, but rather the state of improvement. What's being said isn't "X nu…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 04:17 AM
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Eh, not entirely true from my understanding. The idea of privilege isn't entirely based on "those at the top" so much as longstanding stereotypes/assumptions. The idea of "those on top" being singled out has more to do with the media propagating these stereotypes/assumptions, at least from my understanding.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 03:29 AM
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Sometimes depression is triggered by real events and it's always a real illness, but there are other times when it comes from no discernible outside source and is the result of brain chemistry acting abnormally. Sometimes the only trigger is biological and while knowing that certainly does help, it's not something that can be approached in the same psychoanalytic way more socio-environmental factors can. For the record, if the above was what you intended, sorry for the miscommunication.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 03:11 AM
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Men succeed more often, it's true but women attempt far more often. (Not sure if this is considered unspoken obvious knowledge here or not, just felt the need to point out that it's not totally one sided.(
/r/MensRights08/06/14 03:02 AM
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1: Not only is it (terrible) conjecture, it directly contradicts several of the studies I've already mentioned. I'm mostly casually skimming here, so I haven't looked at any studies in this particular thread. 2: The logical consequence of your line of thought is that it would also be worse to beat up someone who had never been bullied or beaten himself, compared to someone who wasn't 'used to it'. You know, I actually had a long response with a different example typed up and then I realized I wa…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 01:53 AM
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Not entirely sure about that, considering that rape is about the power dynamic and women could be said to be "used" to being under the threat of being overpowered (at least according to #YesAllWomen), men aren't, and that could mean they are even more affected by having their agency taken, though I admit this is nothing but conjecture.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 01:16 AM
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A white male virtually has 0 options for scholarship I think what's being said here is that by not being either of the above your chances of finding a scholarship catering to your group goes up.
/r/MensRights07/06/14 12:30 AM
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I've personally would not be okay with jokes about introverts that clearly don't understand us (such as one about them being unhappy) and make a point to call them out. Because they do, in fact, perpetuate a stereotype and spread misinformation. Honestly, rape jokes do too and a lot of the time actually looking at what the joke says brings out a "What the actual fuck" response. Because rape isn't funny. Potheads tend fall into a gray area, culturally, especially given the fact that "pothead" oft…
/r/MensRights07/06/14 12:26 AM
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the logic behind that?
/r/MensRights06/06/14 07:25 PM
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Then the question becomes which one caused the other? And if either is natural and one is the product of the other, how can either be anything but natural?
/r/MensRights06/06/14 07:25 PM
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If you find that woman who likes to be cat-called, go for it, just do it behind closed doors. When you're in public, respect the physical and mental space of others. Not that I disagree with the idea that cat-calling is wrong when it's unwanted, but something about this bit in particular irks me. It seems like he's saying "if it makes you and someone else happy but makes others uncomfortable you shouldn't do it in public." All I can think of is someone saying the same about a biracial/gay/trans/…
/r/MensRights06/06/14 07:22 PM
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Rape culture is the combination of a number of factors such as privilege and objectification that combine to cause us to do things that are "rapey" (God I hate that word) without realizing it. Rape culture is not condoning rape in an open, celebratory way, so much as it is the idea that we, as men, are more likely to look at women as sex objects rather than people (that is to say, we don't look at them as "people" so much as "people I want to have sex with"). Rape culture is that I take anything…
/r/MensRights06/06/14 05:04 PM
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Yes! That's it. Watched it in class and didn't catch the source. I'm surprised this isn't brought up more.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 11:49 PM
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But maybe it's time to acknowledge that the differences exist for a reason. I mean take a look at any "intimate encounters" classified. he ratio of posts between men seeking women vs. women seeking men is always huge. Even in the sections for regular dating the difference is notable. Everyone knows that dating and romance is a completely different story for men than it is for women, even if they refuse to acknowledge it. You're implying that it's biological. Whether this is true or not ignores t…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 08:52 PM
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Instead of "male privilege" it because "oh, she slept her way to the top" or "affirmative action got him that job". You've got a really good point, actually, and not one I've seen before (Although, I'm new here so it could be that). Is male privilege just another way of stereotyping a group, with this target being men?
/r/MensRights05/06/14 08:32 PM
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Stated this, and hoping I offended no one, I always felt as if when drunk I had a stronger libido, like something I couldn't stop myself from doing! It's like sex becomes the reason to breathe in that half hour. I think that's what makes women feel weak about alcohol. You know, this reminds me of something I heard on (I think) NPR about a trans man who noticed that after he began taking hormones the way he thought about sex and women (and their bodies) changed/began changing and actually made no…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 08:07 PM
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Why are the majority of posts about women? Does the men's rights movement revolve only around women? Why aren't there posts about legislation, changes that should be made in men's perception of each other? Much of feminism has to deal with the way women view eachother not just the way men view women. And of course the way women are legally viewed. I personally think this has to due with male culture's differing take on our roles as men and what that means in regard to how we interact. I firmly h…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 06:46 PM
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