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| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"By "radfems", do you just mean terfs? Because that doesn't really have anything to do with this discussion. No, but thanks for missing the point. Calling them "lib" is an insult to liberalism, since they support passing draconian feminist laws and pushing a negative public image for men. Bring it up with them, not me. They are libfem due to their reformist rhetoric and the likes. Look it up. I meant men in general. Then I disagree. Oh I'm sure there's some worse out there, but the only worse thi… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/18 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up""Radfems" are just normal feminists though. This has been the mainstream feminist position since nearly the beginning. I am going to have to disagree. If that was the case, transphobia would be even more ingrained. It certainly has its place in the movement, but it isn't THE position of the movement. Libfems have pretty much always been "the face" of feminism, especially what constitutes the pejorative name for it (that fits well) - white feminism. No, even when they claim to care, they still ma… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/18 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"So if you could, would you magically erase everything to do with feminism as it's been for the last few decades except the parts you agree with? Do you see any other good things in it apart from the gender roles thing and social attitudes? Everything? No. What libfems and radfems have largely done with their reformist ideals? Probably. Well yeah, because it was good for the women's movement. Or you think they cared about men? Of course they were praised, doesn't mean I agree with any part of fem… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/18 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"But I think feminist theory has spent a long time on the issue, and to throw it away because of one's grievances with them is a waste. Who said "the only lens"? I literally just said that even feminist theory is not a single unified thing, due to differences in ontology and epistemology, and certain ideological differences (hence TERFs and SWERFs are a thing). It was done barely before feminism was a thing. You could say people who would later be recognized with bringing up gender roles would ha… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/18 06:17 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I think I have answered this many other times, but the simple answer is that many people have built ideas into it as a lens for looking at attitudes that tend to damage themselves or others, and are perpetuated by a supposed idea they have as a man or woman. I have an issue with how it is presented in academia, even if I respect the ideas for its academics (to say it differently, "I like the theory, not the speaker"). It lacks the pluralism that sociology begs to have and wants to have, and rega… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/18 06:02 AM |
| 5 | Why are so many feminists obsessed with their genitals?libfems are weird and think weird provocative messages like that will change things. I am glad when I look on my fellow anarchist pages, they call it out for what it is - misaimed garbage that was dressed up as a "march for equality" that was purely to attack Trump, and didn't... DO anything. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/18 04:01 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Oh, an article written by one person! truly, that is "debunking" the thought! This is more or less a criticism of how a certain subject or set of courses is taught, not a "debunking" of theory. Yes, it turns out academics are themselves biased, and there is work needed to increase pluralism in sociology courses as a whole. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/18 03:52 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"There has never been a time in human history where women were "seen not heard." As for "in the kitchen", numerous studies show that housewives have the highest happiness rate of any female demographic. It would seem therefore that the "toxicity" here lies solely with feminists who -- via their resentment and hatred toward men -- are trying to encourage women to become corporate wage slaves while fear mongering about "patriarchy". Never, not once? Sorry, I find that hard to believe, that somewher… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/18 02:08 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Socially, Dems scratch the centre while the Repubs bounce around depending on the representative of the party. The overton's window in America is fucked though, hence why I still don't quite agree with shifting Dems out of the right. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/18 11:13 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Those behaviors are toxic insofar they perpetuate a system by which they have the supposed "natural" role in society, the "in the kitchen", "seen not heard" kinda deal. Several of the other ones you have listed aren't really specific to females either, and some are explained BY the above points. I am wondering if you read the above points, or the page linked, or if you just wanted to act chauvinistic to me. Let me spell it out: they are "toxic" by bringing harm to themselves and others around th… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/18 11:11 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up""debunked" by who? Are you saying this, or is there something to debunk it? The only group that largely thinks there is absolutely no merit are masculinists, and their ideas are mostly bond by biological essentialism. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/18 11:05 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Which in turn were historically pushed as what men "ought" to be, and are to this day still pushing men to be this ideal concept of "the manly man". The notion follows from observation, just like how, if one creates the notion of toxic femininity, would result from observations about the place women were expected to be, how they ought to treat men or other women, and how they were generally supposed to live their lives. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/18 03:15 AM |
| 2 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Its funny, because I don't think I have said I only care about women's issues in this thread once. If you want to assume my attitudes, then you might want to do so with more evidence than what you supposedly have. I am trying to express ideas about men and women that, to this day, lead them to being treated like shit for going against said standards, and that these are often what one refers to as the toxic parts of a stereotypical "masculine" or "feminine" attitude. And I would like to think I h… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/18 03:12 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I think its discourse around intersectional issues is important, as is the criticism of gender roles in society. Largely find post-structuralist theory to be interesting, and the interactions of ideas and societal norms in society. I think its useful when applied to not just explain oppression of women, but also of men. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/18 02:49 AM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"No. I also don't claim to be part of the main movement and have criticized it in the past. I aim to create more discourse on men's issues and how ignoring these issues only leads to discrediting of one's claims for equality. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/18 02:03 AM |
| 2 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I mean, I already thought that men have issues in current society, due to both men and women. It's not so much a change in worldview as it is a better "packaging" and conceptualization of gender role stereotypes that affect men and women. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/18 01:41 AM |
| 3 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Have you tried googling it? I mean, wiki has a decent explanation of it: The concept of toxic masculinity is used in the social sciences, to describe traditional masculine norms of behavior that are associated with harm to society and to men themselves. Psychologists include with such "toxic" masculine norms the traits of dominance, devaluation of women, extreme self-reliance, and the suppression of emotions. Basically, attitudes that in modern society bring harm to others and themselves (as see… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I didn't argue toxic feminity as a concept was discussed by romantic writers. I said that romantic writers had things to say about what are "bad" about the behaviour of women, and how they "ought" to act. If you think that is the same thing, then that might be what the issue is here. However, I don't think it is, because there isn't really a framework to attack said behaviours. It was, at best, simple repetition of what people thought of women anyway, at worst claiming that women had a "natural … | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 09:48 PM |
| -1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I would say that is part of societal expectation. If one, lets say in the 19th century, wanted to live well as a woman, without being able to exactly get an education and all, the best way was to marry into wealth and live that lifestyle. Does that quite translate into modern times? Not really, since women aren't treated nearly as bad as they were once then, regardless of benevolent sexism existing in both. I would point out that societal standards affect both men and women in a negative manner,… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I would argue that isn't a contradiction, since the use of competition you are using is different in both cases. However, I would note it is an oversimplification. The second point is still the use of another definition of competition. Actually, I never said "non-competition" in the first place, and mutual aid is simply cooperation within a species to their own gain. That doesn't remove competition with other species, which was maybe what you are confusing me with saying. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 09:03 PM |
| 3 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I think the theory in certain area has merit, but criticize the movement. Is that hard to understand? I am trying to have civil discussion, but your name rings true when it comes to your discourse. If you have nothing constructive to say after this, I ain't responding. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"They may not represent the party policies, but they sure make it known they support the more conservative choices, and commonly make known they support the current government. And more parties with the stupid system in America doesn't work, because of how the votes are delegated, and because of the issues with the electoral commission. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Sure, but as a competing idea to "competition", and is surely important within a species, since competition within a species generally has a negative effect. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 06:38 PM |
| 8 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I think Men's Rights are important, so I am not quite sure what you are on about. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 06:36 PM |
| 4 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"The difference is Social Darwinism is a stupid-arse concept, and not one Darwin himself supported. If anything it is a rejection of that, less so than Darwinism as a whole. Other evolutionary writers would place"mutual aid" as a strong driving force for evolution as well. And again, it really depends on the "school" of feminism looks upon - some are critical realist, some are post-structuralist, some are positivist etc. in their mode of thinking and postulating (of course I mean the academics - … | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 12:42 PM |
| 5 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I don't think democrats do either, so I don't get your point. Their fandom does in some respects, but the repubs have their own fringe that does the exact opposite (you know, redpillers, the alt-right (the lighter side of it), some big L libertarians), which doesn't solve the situation so much as polarize it further which means no one wins. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I don't think that is really a concept, and part of me says that is due to benevolent sexism - what as seen as toxic in females was covered alot by romantic writers (I mean romantic as in the movement - Rousseau and the likes) and generally seen by their "weakness" or "manipulative". | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 12:32 PM |
| 8 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"Honestly the only major difference between the AMerican Dems and Repubs is their fanbase. Past that, they are both centre-right parties that don't really give a shit about people like they claim. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 05:56 AM |
| 8 | Andrew Sullivan: #MeToo and the Taboo Topic of Nature: "this natural reality — reflected in chromosomes and hormones no scientist disputes — is rarely discussed. It’s almost become taboo. You can spend a lifetime in gender studies and the subject will never come up"I think that's why "toxic masculinity" as a theoretical concept became a thing - it is the idea that while masculinity might be biological (I mean, it is in part), there are parts of the stereotypical "masculine" behaviors that are dangerous in a modern, civilized society. Generally that means aggression, libido that expresses itself aggressively, overprotective behaviors (being protective is one thing, threatening to kill that person for talking to a family member is another), etc. The concept,… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/18 02:49 AM |
| 3 | "Equal rights are human rights." "Whatever happened to women and children first?" oh the irony... Seen at today's Women's March.I will watch it later tonight. The comments are sexist garbage, but I have heard she is pretty reasonable in her arguments. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/18 04:23 AM |
| 9 | "Equal rights are human rights." "Whatever happened to women and children first?" oh the irony... Seen at today's Women's March.True. I think it comes down to that idea that, since you want to save children, that the women are treated as helpless/more able to care for children and the likes. However, I think the larger reason was because men were assumed to be of more use in dealing with a disaster on a ship, from what I am reading on the wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_children_first The practice of women and children first arose from the actions of soldiers during the sinking of the Royal Navy troopsh… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/18 02:22 AM |
| 1 | "Equal rights are human rights." "Whatever happened to women and children first?" oh the irony... Seen at today's Women's March.This has nothing to do with this thread. At all. And half of these are more provocative than informative. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 11:33 PM |
| 1 | When someone says "but not all the feminists are the same" to defend feminism, what is a good rebuttal?There's a reason I tend not to identify with the mainstream of feminism anymore. The theory might have merit, but the praxis of the mainstream doesn't do anything they have of merit any credit. If they want to claim feminists aren't all the same, then they are stating an obvious fact. The issue is that there aren't enough of those "not the same" feminists aiming for pluralism in the movement to challenge the stagnating libfem and radfem rhetoric. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 10:42 PM |
| 28 | "Equal rights are human rights." "Whatever happened to women and children first?" oh the irony... Seen at today's Women's March.What confuses me more is that this is usually used as an argument against misogynists that claim that was a law, when it never was. Basically, it was never women and children first, but rather just seen as a common courtesy. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 08:50 PM |
| 2 | Schoolboy, 16, 'killed himself' after being falsely accused of tying a girl to a tree and raping her (he was accused by other guys, because he had reported them for selling drugs)Exactly. I think that would remove many of the issues in the current system, where external biases can warp legal situations. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 08:12 PM |
| 3 | Schoolboy, 16, 'killed himself' after being falsely accused of tying a girl to a tree and raping her (he was accused by other guys, because he had reported them for selling drugs)Weak, or looking for a better argument against poor ideas, rather than the use of a mental illness as an insult? | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 08:11 PM |
| 5 | Schoolboy, 16, 'killed himself' after being falsely accused of tying a girl to a tree and raping her (he was accused by other guys, because he had reported them for selling drugs)The issue is the publicity - rape is seen as such a heinous crime, and I think it needs to be removed from the public eye while there is nothing to really push for a case in the first place, and to prevent the muddying of the waters that occurs along with the accusations. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Schoolboy, 16, 'killed himself' after being falsely accused of tying a girl to a tree and raping her (he was accused by other guys, because he had reported them for selling drugs)There is no need to insult the mental state of another user to make a point. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 01:46 PM |
| 6 | Schoolboy, 16, 'killed himself' after being falsely accused of tying a girl to a tree and raping her (he was accused by other guys, because he had reported them for selling drugs)Rape is an issue for men and women, and any issue revolving around it, such as false accusations, whatever the reason for it being, is again a male and female issue. If Men's Rights is about equality for men and women, or if this is the central value to it, I don't see how this misses the mark of discussion. Whether it is an issue caused by an actual woman doesn't really matter - a false accusation was used again him as a psychological weapon. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 01:37 PM |
| 6 | 5 honeytrap gangs busted in 4 days, every 3 in 10 rape cases are falseI have to find the paper, but I think I read about false rape accusations in India, and how it is a strange case of parents dobbing them in, as well as other weird familial issues that can result in false accusations lodged by relatives. Will be back after a search for it, and seems to be part of the culture. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38796457 Her first discovery was that the media's alarm about stranger rape was overblown. "Stranger rape, the thing that gets most highly reported in India… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 10:16 AM |
| 15 | Schoolboy, 16, 'killed himself' after being falsely accused of tying a girl to a tree and raping her (he was accused by other guys, because he had reported them for selling drugs)Man, fuck those guys. I hope they rot for this, or get what's coming to them. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 10:13 AM |
| 10 | Affirmative actionIf there is any term to describe feminism in the mainstream, I think "white feminism" is the best. It signals at minorities when it wants to, but most only for aesthetic. Seen far too many that love to tell you what minorities want, but haven't asked them what they want. That, and many that like to push ideas that really only place a blanket over the socioeconomic issues of minorities, but not the actual cause. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 04:55 AM |
| 2 | Please don't use terms such as 'radical' and 'extremist' to describe feminists in government and mainstream media. They are MAINSTREAM SYSTEMIC feministsMainstream feminism is a mishmash of various ideological types of feminists, generally liberal and radical feminism. There are a small presence of other types, like Marxist, anarcha-, separatist feminists and the likes. Even then, the ideology itself doesn't determine if they support the main movement, but reformist types tend towards it. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/18 04:52 AM |
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