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First, you're citing a biased conservative site: https://ifstudies.org/about/our-mission If you've got institutional access to the original paper, here https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513821000222 it may be more useful, but as presented there's not enough to judge the modeling or the data sources. I mean, if you want to cherry-pick studies, https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/12/record-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 04:27 AM
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Who says men aren't allowed to have standards? Sounds like you're listening to the wrong people. There's a lot of envy, both on the internet and elsewhere, and a lot of obnoxious people talking out their rears. In almost all societies, people of either sex marry people of roughly the same social stratum (often literally the same one, in societies that have strongly defined classes or castes.) Hypergamy, such as it exists, is almost always along finer gradations within those classes. In a modern,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 03:49 AM
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1) ITYM "Lose" ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lose ) , not "loose" ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/loose ) 2) You vastly overestimate how easy women have it. Can't get married working retial min wage the way she could as a Woman Women aren't going to get far in life that way. People with skilled professions (whether requiring education, or just skilled trades) -- people in the process of getting through a quality education -- are not going to marry other people - of either sex - working a min…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 01:42 AM
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Well, yes. The reductionist socio-biologists would (I think, since I can just parody them for the sake of argument) say that of course women are already invested in their offspring, and if you combine that with the most reductionist version of red-pill, these are usually BB men not AF and therefore women aren't actually going to enjoy sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 12:38 AM
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It is primarily for recreation not only for procreation. There's also social/familial bonding, and the mate selection process towards eventual procreation. All of them inter-relate, at least somewhat. While it's reductionist, arguably incorrect, if we want to reduce this to a bad socio-biological way of looking at it, non-procreation sex is still important to procreation because it keeps men involved in the relationship in order to be invested in their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:12 PM
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That ignores that fertility averages are population averages and not predictive for any given woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:34 PM
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You're digging in on an argument founded on not understanding statistics. Life expectancy at birth was hugely lower than life expectancy at adulthood (in some poorer parts of the world, it still is today.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:32 PM
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Could have just stopped there. Given that zoophilia is a thing, as well as conditional homosexuality in same-sex congregate settings... yeah, really could have stopped there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:29 PM
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Thank you! I read OP's argument, and stopped reading once they committed to the fallacy of life expectancy at birth being life expectancy at adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:25 PM
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Depends on where you live. The median household income in my county is > $120,000 - and that includes single-person households, and retirees with negligible wage income. Moreover, if you look at individual income across the whole population, that includes a lot of people under 21, and a lot of people over retirement age. If you look at just 25-34 year olds, who work full time, about 12% earn $100k or more. If you limit that to people 25-34 with a Bachelor's degree or higher, that rises to 20%. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 08:47 PM
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If it's anything like the townies around the college I went to, they probably go out in groups of young women, vs. always with a dude. But that was rural New England, so still a relatively liberal part of the country by rural/small town standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 06:28 PM
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Human beings have had a material cultural and signs of cultural cooperation since long before anatomically modern humans existed, and there are very few societies whether hunting and gathering or modern where the highest status maps directly to physical strength. A strong grouping (whether a kin group, band or tribe) is always going to be stronger than any given individual. What leads to status within group varies a lot (even within hunting-and-gathering groups which survived long enough for ant…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 05:36 PM
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I have on good account from single friends that it can make a mighty fun vacation to go looking on your own. Not a guarantee of meetings someone, but hardly impossible. There's also plentiful internet, and (presumably) someone from the west would want someone from one of those countries who speaks enough English to get by. Much higher scam risk, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 10:01 PM
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If you're in the first world, once COVID is done you can fly there, and bring one home. He is literally their ticket to a green card or the local equivalent, unless he lives someplace that doesn't grant a permanent visa to spouses. If they've already emigrated from their country and immigrated to his, the opportunity value as a western husband is gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:52 AM
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You do know that most of the world population still consists of (Asian) peasants? Which for guys with a first world citizenship, and not a lot of game, should be seen as an opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 08:16 AM
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find someone in high school or college It's not like that's hard. If I can do it (short, tubby, and on the spectrum) anyone motivated can do it. If you competent enough to get into college and not a total schmuck, you should be able to find someone. If you're not competent enough to get into college, you should probably focus on finding someone else in high school (although it will probably be someone else not competent enough to get into college.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 08:16 AM
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In the manosphere in general, certainly. On Blind? Probably close to 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:20 PM
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Dunno, read Blind sometime. Lot of South Asian dudes who are complaining about not being able to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:23 AM
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I suspect even within the US there are cultural differences there; the circles I'm in are heavily weighted towards dual-income couples who are both in professional or similar fields (engineering, healthcare, academia) and at the same time, both a certain age range - I don't think I know anyone both under 30 and married, or over 50 well enough to talk about this sort of thing. Most married people that I know in my own generation or younger had careers and either our own apartments or roommates be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 07:48 PM
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It may depends on the state/country In the US, in a community property state, they are presumed to always be marital assets barring some very specific circumstances (and other than individual inheritances or wealth you had before marriage and never comingled, most of them are uncommon.) Non-community property states in the US, and other countries, have their own rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:56 PM
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There also can be some variants in-between that can work for both partners like having separate accounts and one shared, but surely not what the quote suggests From what I can see in my particular circles (and online discussions), some level of "in between" and some form of "2 individual accounts and one joint" is the most common, although I suspect how much weight is put toward the joint account vs. individual varies a lot. For my wife and I, the way we've always done it is that we divide the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 03:51 PM
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If you remember to turn your zoom off before standing up, who's to say you even have to wear pants these days? :D :D
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 02:27 AM
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It's extremely rare for a man to have one pair of shoes that matches with every outfit for every occasion. It's not impossible if he doesn't go to various different social functions and he has a limited wardrobe. I'm pretty sure that most guys in a non-snow climate could go through life with one pair of sneakers and one pair of decent black dress shoes. Add a pair of casual hard shoes if it's slightly snowy, or hiking boots if it's moderately snowy. There's always the slight risk of being overdr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 02:26 AM
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I assume most guys who do what I do (wear the same shoes most of the time day-to-day) also, like I do, have a few other pairs of shoes for special occasions or safety purposes. They just probably don't come out day to day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 02:23 AM
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Wearing the same shoes everyday haha that’s like most men. Best thing about COVID: most days, no shoes at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 02:13 AM
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Highest single immediate "nope:" Bad hygiene, especially bad smell. (Back when I was single, of course.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 02:11 AM
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Women in the west now make their own money so income in a partner is losing importance and things like looks and common interests are gaining importance OTOH, job security is at all-time lows, so BOTH partners making money is important, but from what I can see from my generation/class (which is mid-40s, so not all that young, and low-tier professional) people tend to be more concerned with finding someone in a similar ballpark than either not caring about the woman's earnings at all, OR women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 04:41 PM
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trad husbands ...true, but only because the social-conservative idea of marriage was never how marriage actually worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 07:37 AM
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Me: coder (well, for most of my career, management these days), short but not really short (5'7), and overweight for most of my life, and on the high functioning end of the autism spectrum. Me also: dated a bit (not terribly successfully) in HS, early college, married stably for 20+ years (25+ in the relationship) If I can do it, I won't say "anyone can" but it does suggest that many people protest too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:27 AM
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So you want to tell me the average husband spends 50% of his paycheck on his wife? Considering he still has to pay rent or mortage, groceries and all that stuff, that's imposible. The average US husband these days is in a two-income household, or at least it was before COVID. The percentage peaked about 20 years ago, from about 60% in 2000 to around 55% in 2016. Also, escort availability has gone way down since FOSTA/CESTA, and doesn't sound like it was ever very good outside of major metro area…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 04:18 AM
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Nothing wrong with a childish decoratioms, or hobbies/collections unless they take over. "Stuffed animals everywhere" could be obsessive, or could just be having a lot of old toys or finding them cute. Maybe it's a local thing, but there's like a whole thing with younger women putting a row of smaller ones in the back window of their car.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 02:16 AM
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That's a random as heck assertion with no particular reason to accept it as fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:31 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uMEE7eaaUA
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:46 AM
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"A true pessimist doesn't think the glass is half empty. A true pessimist knows that the glass is half full of deadly poison."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:44 AM
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The only red flag for the latter is that she's a grown woman with stuffed animals. That can be explained away, potentially, but it's a possible sign of emotional instability (Borderline). What's wrong with stuffed animals?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:43 AM
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Neither, at least as described. If you put a gun to my head, I'd pick the latter; boring beats unpleasant, if it really comes down to it. For the first, unless the she responded well to feedback about her behavior, smart or not I doubt I'm even going to stay friends with that one, let alone date her. The politicians/business thing isn't a problem, dominating conversations can be a bad thing (despite being well-informed a good one), and mistreating servers, or telling me things are trashy are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:42 AM
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"It is NOT a tumor"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:29 AM
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Poor, rich, uneducated, educated, new money, old money, etc… few people publicize that info. Plenty of class markers in pictures, and to the extent that people bother with text... even just does the person bother to spell correctly tells you quite a bit. I thought more traditional sites like Match also let you indicate things like your profession and educational level.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 03:36 AM
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I'm in a part of the US (California) where we see a lot of mixed couples, but it's mostly people who have met here (and mostly who've been here long enough to be fairly assimilated, whether that's marrying older or having grown up here.) Meeting someone abroad is not very common for Americans. (Edit to add yeah; I'm sort of familiar with stereotypes of the bar scene, but both the folks I know who moved there and married locals - in one case just to live cheaply to ride out the dot-com bust, in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:44 PM
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I'm sure it happens*, but is a professional in their 30s importing a low-education partner from abroad even remotely typical, or happening in significant numbers? (* I know one in my network: had a nasty divorce at about 30 specifically over not wanting kids when his ex-wife did, moved to Thailand to ride out the dot-com bust, and ended up with a local girl. He paid for her to finish college.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:44 PM
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In the modern west, education and social class mostly track. Sure, you get some folks who get a decent education and piss it away (or do it in the hope of the Mrs degree) but it's not the majority case. Mind, if you're an underemployed PhD (and there are a lot of them; it's a relatively poor investment of time in many cases person given the bad ratio of academic jobs to PhDs produced, at least in the US), your match is likely to be another underemployed but well educated person. The smart guy wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:43 PM
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Western guys very rarely marry random girls from abroad. Sure, it happens, occasionally when they're young and hormonal - but the number of gap year marriages isn't significant. Who they fool around with varies quite a bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:39 PM
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And how many of those marriages last? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/ Education and socioeconomic status tends to correlate to marriags lasting longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:37 PM
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You don't understand male attraction. I'm male, so I certainly understand my own (the mustache and lack of fashion sense on the avatar should be a tip-off), and I've observed plenty of other guys during my 45 years on the planet. I do not give a fuck about your damn career. In fact Id rather you didn't have one. Non career women are less stressed and more pleasant. In terms of short term game, I wouldn't care either. OTOH, if you want someone who's got genes for brains, it's a lot easier to judg…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:36 PM
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Doesn't need to be unemployed; there are plenty of non-career-track jobs that will leave you just as much out of the middle class in the long run as being unemployed. If you can make something of yourself, AND find a partner, great - many people I know did - nobody is suggesting "don't date in your 20s" and relatively few careers demand that. Of those that do, they often provide their own dating pool(**) Very few of them, as far as I can tell, prioritized finding a partner, however. ** although …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:29 PM
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Don't go accusing people of not understanding concepts that you, yourself, don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:18 PM
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A woman over 35 is considered high risk in the UK, if i am not mistaken. That's the same in the US, but it's an arbitrary line - and the main risks is of aneuploidies (Downs' and related things), and of infertility. The first has been readily tested for for 45 years, and as long as you're willing to start over and try again is no big deal. The second, you pretty much had to go by family history (if a women's mom/aunts had an easy time getting pregnant in their 30s or later, there's a decent chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:11 PM
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Many men will sleep around downward; some women will sleep downward. Relatively few of either, if they understand their social value, are going to make a serious relationship of it by choice. The one thing leaning in some lower-status women's "favor" is that some men still hold traditional views about "doing the 'honorable' thing" if there's an accidental (or "accidental") pregnancy, but in a modern post-pill, post-Roe, only-sorta-post-AIDS-epidemic world I wouldn't call it a useful strategy for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:02 PM
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I understand it perfectly well, at least when we're talking about humans where (at least in modern western society) it is mainly around social status. Middle and upper-middle class professionals, or those on track to be them, rarely marry unemployed or non-career-track people, regardless of gender, and the ability for a woman to leverage looks/youth to match up with a higher-earning male is substantially lower than it was in prior generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:14 AM
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This, I think, is the real answer. If you're doing either one to the exclusion of the other, you're probably doing it wrong. With the exception of a few careers; if you're able to get into medical school, for example. Although even there, I know a bunch of doctors who married their college girlfriends, or who married other medical students.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:32 AM
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The point is that no one can have it all. You need to prioritize something if it is that important to you. Pandemic or not, if you want a husband and a decent one at that, you will have better luck finding a man in your 20s. That's generally bunk, though. You're going to be meeting a better class of men at college and then at work in a good career, than you would as an unemployed hottie who or majored in something easy in the hope of an Mrs degree or who skipped college entirely to spend all day…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:28 AM
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Would you say it's safe and women should follow your example? My wife had two, one mid-30s, one late 30s, without problem. Yes, it's safe, although if you're a pro-lifer who'd object to ending a pregnancy in the event of a trisomy or other chromosomal abnormality you probably want to aim for more like 30-35 rather than after.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:23 AM
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Not all that obvious. Women have trouble having healthy babies in the later years of their fertility, if they can have one at all. Most women are quite fertile into their mid 30s and some into their early 40s. One can check for fertility decline medically - you don't have to go by guesswork and family history these days - and of course, some women have fertility issues in their 20s. Similarly, some employers are paying for egg freezing, etc. It's also much easier to go back to a job after 5-6 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:22 AM
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school and my part-time (nonprofessional) job (i.e. making money) do. I’m reluctant to sacrifice investing these priorities to instead look for a guy to settle down with because the last thing I want is to be at the financial mercy of someone else and lack my own financial and educational/employment foundation That seems sensible, and indeed, it's the advice I'd give my daughter. Build yourself up to where you don't need a relationship to make your way in the world - if you meet someone in the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 03:18 AM
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That's fair. And what worked for my friend at 17-19 may not work at all for older folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:27 PM
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And in general, I think fit but not jacked is usually a better approach. Specifically as a compensation for being short, not so sure about it as clearly-lean bulk can (within reason) compensate for height.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:00 PM
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Gear substitutes for time, and vice versa. Although the folks I know who got pretty built when broke (between free gear people were disposing of, and improvised stuff) were all in their 20s, when it is easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:28 PM
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I know people who put on a lot of mass in their 40s. It takes a lot of time which tends to be a commodity that kids, the very poor or the very wealthy have a lot of, and the majority of working-age adults don't. Can be done without a good gym membership or a trainer, although those both help.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:31 PM
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Money is a proxy for real forms of wealth, which are not so easily transportable if a country doesn't want them to be. Especially in the modern era of fiat currency. If you definite "no great solutions" as "in the present political mess of the US" there's no political will for it, then sure, but political messes aren't forever (or if they do approximate it, we'll have bigger problems than economic inequality) and after that, the solutions are well understood and have been applied elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 10:17 PM
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I don't see how equal pay would cause that. If you equalize pay on its own, that means you're not also equalizing wealth - the people who control land, factories, already have houses, etc, all stay wealthy (or less poor.) You have to take steps equalize wealth - otherwise equalizing income fully literally makes things WORSE by entrenching wealth differences (potentially forever.) Passive income is also, in my opinion, dodging the communal duty to contribute to society and hence immoral. You're e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 10:13 PM
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Carter actually had a very similar economic policy in many ways; he was liberal on some issues (although by present standards so was Reagan!) but he was very much of the same trickle down school and both of Reagans biggest fiscal sins (top heavy tax cuts and overspending on defense) started under Carter and I don't know that he was much better on the other macroeconomic issues. As you noted, though while they were things that were already going on, Reagan took to 11, and neither Bush 41 nor Clin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 08:11 PM
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Well, it might be possible; I'm not sure it's possible even in theory. There are certainly things that would be possible to try, with an impractical level of effort (maybe least impractical for a government with a lack of respect for free speech) and on timescales where it's difficult to judge success. It's definitely not a practically viable idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 05:51 AM
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I don't see the need to subsidize it for the able-bodied, but if a guy wants to blow some of his paycheck after he gets it on getting his ashes hauled, as long as the women involved are consenting and the working conditions decent (e.g. no trafficking) then all good for everyone involved. Judging by the fact that there's a market in the US where prohibition simultaneously artificially decreases supply, it's not at all clear to me that there will be a shortage of women willing to have sex for mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 01:31 AM
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How different are behaviors in states where abortions are difficult to get vs. states where they're easier? Doesn't seem to have done much to change behavior, and insofar as it has, mostly for the worse. Check out the divorce rate for states where abortions are harder to get vs. where it's easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 09:35 PM
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I've been in a monogamous relationship since before there were dating websites were well known*, let alone "apps" in the modern sense, so what I know of them is second hand but my impression of OkCupid is not a positive one. Like anything else on the internet, the barrier to entry is in theory quite low, but network effects being what they are, the nominal vs. practical barriers to entry are quite high. Particularly in the US, where the same parent company owns Match, Tinder, and OkCupid and qui…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 09:16 PM
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The levers for managing individual behavior via microeconomics are quite weak; taxing sugary sodas and cigarettes do lower consumption, but neither has been terribly effective compared to other measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 09:06 PM
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What I AM saying is you can't beat certain genetic things like height and face. What you can do is maximize other things. Almost anything wrong with your face can be fixed by a good enough surgeon. There is surgery to fix height, although there's only so much it can do. You can also get lifts. Plus a buddy of mine in HS who was like 5'3" did plenty well once he got what I think the kids these days would call "swole" - lifting at 16-17 was mostly unheard of back in the early 1990s, at least among…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:27 PM
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The difference between wealth and good looks is that you can create one but not the other. Oh, you can pretty much create either one with the other if you've got enough of either one... as anyone who's gotten plastic surgery or spent enough time with a trainer can tell you (money can buy good looks), and as any supermodel and many less-talented-but-pretty-enough-it-doesn't-matter actresses/musicians can tell you (good looks can bring you money.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:24 PM
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Systems can be changed, yep, but not the way human attraction works. I'm not convinced that how human attraction works is universal; I suspect it IS subject to change. Systems can change quickly. Human attraction is deeply ingrained and largely unconscious in any individual, and anything that might change it is going to take years (if not generations, as a lot of it seems to be imprinting prior to and during puberty.) There are some things that might be tried indirectly, but none of them are goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:21 PM
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And, if sex were actually considered a need, the solutions to solving this need are physically intrusive to others and therefore ethically problematic. https://www.mic.com/articles/85201/the-surprising-way-the-netherlands-is-helping-its-disabled-have-sex
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:16 PM
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How have economic regulations been going in America so far? Judging by the fact that the US has been largely rolling back those regulations since Reagan, the New Deal model of economic regulation worked great compared to the largely deregulated model we've had since.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:16 PM
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Economy tries to solve the issue of limited resources satisfying unlimited needs. Which works very well for impersonal commodities, and not so well for somewhat-personal things like art and commercial labor, and doesn't work at all for deeply personal things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:14 PM
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I'm 100% for a sensible sort of decriminalization or legalization of prostitution. Abolishing child support makes sense in the case where there's no established and active parental relationship. Indeed, the present model where the state can come after you years later for child support for a child you had no idea existed is downright Stalinist. Establishing a parental relationship should be 100% voluntary, but once that relationship is established you should not be able to voluntarily walk out a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:13 PM
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I'm specifically talking about things like marriage and divorce, alimony, child support and so forth. This changes the dynamics of relationships for better or worse, but it's not a net zero impact. Most of those, over the course of the past 5-7 decades, been rewritten to be not specific to gender/sex. Most of them are also primarily economic, not directly concerned with purely private sexual behavior. You see this very specifically in the decline of for-cause divorce where physical infidelity or…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:04 PM
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So why not build some structure into dating? People have built some voluntary structure into dating, some people voluntarily opt into it. You still have matchmaking services (etc) in the US; they are not especially successful (nor was eHarmony vs. Match/Tinder, not sure if they're even still around) which suggests they don't work that well. Also, the whole legal institution of marriage is basically a one-size-fits-all*, voluntary structure around long-term partnerships and household formation. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:00 PM
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Nah. They’d more likely just do what they’ve been teasing and work and then live communally with other women for help with childcare and the like. It’s much safer than dealing with men. Beta or alpha. They're free to do that now. Why don't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:55 PM
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Yes. And legalize polygamy and prostitution too. Go all the way. I'm all for coming up with a legally-equitable polygamous marriage, but most people who want to practice polygamy don't want it to be legally equitable. I've been part of some interesting hypothetical discussions of what it would entail, and basically, it's not that hard to make polygamous marriage equitable if everyone starts out single. It's pretty much impossible to add a third (or n+1) person equitably to an existing marriage w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:54 PM
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Decriminalize. Legalizing prostitution only benefits traffickers and the government Depends how you go about decriminalization and/or legalization. I realize in the political debate about prostitution those are basically terms of art at this point, and in that sense, I agree with you, but at this level of discussion largely tangential to the question it's a distinction without a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:46 PM
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Also no great solutions for economic inequality There are well-understood mitigations for economic equality; you just need political will. The US engaged in a very solid run of them for ~45 years until Carter and Reagan dismantled them, as did the UK for a slightly shorter run til Thatcher did the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:42 PM
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Take a silver, since you just improved on my response in like 90% fewer words.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:37 PM
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In some parts of the world, those are far from voluntary even today, and judging by some threads on r/relationship_advice the degree to which they're fully voluntary in some western countries is questionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:37 PM
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OK, clearly the implied "in a free society" should have been explicit. Criminalization of underage marriage is literally ABOUT inability to consent. Pretty much all of the other structural or legal "solutions" are incompatible with individual liberties, and indeed, in the sense of producing acceptable outcomes (in a modern western society and framework of laws) are not "solutions." One of the main premises of modern left-liberal* thought is the distinction between private personal choices and pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 04:09 PM
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not entirely. one could level the playing field of economic inequality by giving equal pay. That would, on its own, make things worse. Pretty much the definition of "rich" that makes the most sense is "if I never work another day in my life, not only will my needs be provided for via passive income, but I'll keep getting wealthier purely passively."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:24 PM
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For example (I'm not saying we should do this): As dating apps & social media have become more popular, dating has become harder. Unclear that it's true; it's easy to look back at a other times with rosy colored glasses, but speaking as someone who spent my formative years back when the internet (and BBSes) were essentially a text-only medium and an even bigger sausage-fest than today, let me tell you that dating was no picnic then. Who the chads were was different, but the 80/20 rule applied to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:20 PM
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That's a load of bull, because dating is NOT (at least directly) amenable to structural or legal solutions*, while economics is. You can do a lot to either encourage or discourage unequal economic situations via reasonable public policy: subsidizing education (or doing so more effectively) vs. leaving it to the private sector, taxing wealth (vs. taxing income from wealth more lightly than earned income), and many, many etc. Not sure what you'd suggest as public policy to improve dating outcomes.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:18 PM
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I suspect most of those are mutual enough that if we hear about it, it's from the conservative woman's side. Although I can definitely think of cases from r/relationship_advice where relationships have broken down because of people of either sex going full on MAGA-head or anti-vax. Which is the other case with these that gets interesting: when people are close enough to be compatible on the surface, but when thing break down either when they get to know each other better, or when their views cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 04:00 AM
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Why don’t you provide sources? Because why distract from a good line of 🐂💩 :D
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:24 AM
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When casual, sure - although abortion is a big enough issue that they oughtn't, at least unless they've been snipped. For serious, separating values from politics tends to be a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:21 AM
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I'm saying I hear both lots of "as a liberal woman I don't like conservative men" and "as a conservative man I don't like liberal women." I don't see any sign that conservative women are more tolerant of liberal men, or liberal men are any more tolerant of conservative women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:18 AM
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Of course politics reflect values. They always have. Pretending otherwise is a matter of extraordinary privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:17 AM
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I dunno, speaking as a very-liberal/somewhat-progressive guy, I wouldn't date an openly conservative woman, or for that matter a anti-abortion woman who was otherwise liberal/moderate. I've got no problem with friends of any political stripe, or talking openly about politics with sensible people of any stripe (and being the closer-to-mainstream liberal one from a deep-far-left family, I'm well aware that being insensible isn't just a right-wing thing) but "don't put your dick in a woman who has …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:16 AM
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Wishful thinking and outright projection is strong in both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:40 AM
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In the end, "younger women dating older men is not an issue" is only an issue in theory, whereas for any given pairing, it's pretty easy to see whether it's problematic or not. An 18 year old still living at home and an 18 year old living on their own and paying their own bills are in completely different situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 01:00 AM
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Socio-biological claims about social and emotional development are one thing; practical things like whether people live on their own and pay their own bills are another, and I don't see any sign that women are more likely to be functionally adult than men at that age, at least in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:35 PM
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The Anglosphere, and indeed, Americans, remain a majority on the English-speaking parts of the internet. A 20 year old who supports themselves (and in some countries, who's completed a year or two of mandatory military service) is very different from a typical 20-year old middle-class American who either has their parents paying for college or still lives at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:33 PM
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Legal status, plus social and emotional development are all more important than physical. This will be more common outside the US, but some 18 year olds have actual responsibilities and are at least approaching functional adulthood - in the US, that's probably most common among folks who join the armed services. Those folks are going to be much better prepared for a relationship with another functional adult than someone in their early 20s who has been supported 100% by their parents and in scho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 04:14 PM
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I'd be uncomfortable with 18 and 24. There's a good chance the 24 year old is a functional adult, out of college and outside of their parent's household, in which case there is a big power difference with a typical 18 year old who is either in HS or their first year of college, still supported by their parents. If not, said 24 year old should probably focus on becoming a functional adult rather than dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:05 AM
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9 year age gaps are not that common. But smaller age gaps are quite common around the globe. The older you are, the less the age gap matters. 20 and 11 is criminal essentially everywhere. 29 and 20 is sketchy. 38 and 29 is a big difference. 47 and 38 is isn't such a big difference. 56 and 47 is an very small difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:01 AM
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Depends on the age gap, or more correctly, the stage of life. Age gaps where the younger person is not legally an adult (even when the age of consent is younger) and the older person is non-trivially into adulthood are pretty much inherently predatory, and are why close-age exceptions are preferable to blanket lower ages of consent. Age gaps where the younger person is legally adult, but not functionally adult (as in self-supporting and outside their parents' household) and the older person is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:54 AM
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She seems nice looking enough in overall appearance, mod the usual "doesn't photograph well" stuff. For my taste, she'd probably look better with a little more makeup on her, and my impression is that she's a little plain as photographed but probably cleans up better or may look better in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 09:14 PM
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I've never gotten how the actual Nordic Model is supposed to match their stated intent; I mean, it sounds good for protecting "sex workers as victims" right up until you actually think about it logically, where it's kind of like "it's legal to sell drugs, but not to buy/use them"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 02:11 PM
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Men only "date down" in general in small ways; in the big ways, they are much more likely to look for people of a similar level. Choosing to literally date down is normally only when they have to, or lack confidence and think they have to, or people who are looking for a partner they can have power over.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 12:34 AM
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Men are as prone as women to status match. Status matching isn't always about money. Doctors marrying teachers is still status matching; you don't see many doctors marrying waitresses, or for that matter, plumbers/electricians (who more likely to be making comparable money to a doctor than a primary/secondary school teacher is, but who won't have a masters' degree.) Also, from what I can see, "an emphasis on their partner making more than them" falls off a LOT once both people are making a "prof…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 12:22 AM
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But did they marry women who had not career to speak of before they got married? Plenty of relatively high-status women drop out of the labor force later.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:59 PM
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Doctors are not highest-status, and teachers or other professions are still typically highly-educated. (Also, from what I can see, there's a really high doctors marred to other doctors factor of folks I knew who went to medical school. Unlike tech, the gender split is pretty even.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:58 PM
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A fair number of them get cheated on (Mackenzie Bezos, looking likely for Melinda French Gates) but ... if you're a guy that successful and getting married later in life (Gates), you're probably looking for someone you can see as a near-equal and who will maximize your kids' good genes. Unless you're an idiot LOOKING for a trophy wife as your first-wife (more likely to be a post-kids #2 for smarter guys) you also probably are mostly exposed to people in similar professional and social circles. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:52 PM
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Porn is meant to be purely mentally stimulating far past the point that real sex is(generally). So itd make sense. If so, you're doing the real sex very wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:27 AM
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That's actually further than I thought it was, but I guess once you're there it's not that far if you're not a Las Vegas local - that's still a lot closer than driving to Vegas from LA, or flying in from anywhere else. I looked up prices out of curiosity 20+ years ago, and they were off-putting then. Don't even want to know, now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:47 AM
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It is not. The fully legalized parts of Nevada are rural. IIRC, it's a longish drive out of town as it's definitely not legal anywhere in the county (Clark) where Las Vegas is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:25 AM
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Prostitution in the US is illegal, so I can't win there. Well, except for a small part of Nevada. Plus right now, COVID, of course. Absent COVID, there's always flying out of the country to someplace that it's legal. Neither that, or the small number of legal places in Nevada (unless you live nearby) is much good unless you're just looking to get it out of your system once. I do disagree about the interest groups, though. If you're doing it specifically to meet women, it will be transparent, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:20 AM
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You mean at 2nd/3rd hand? or do you mean, "Mr.X thinks he is a 4 and thus Ms.Y who is a 6 is only interested in him for his money"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:13 AM
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I'd assume that's usually the case. For most people, it is a necessary, but not sufficient condition. It's fine if it's the only thing you need for a casual relationship, but things often don't stay casual and that's how you get people on r/RelationshipAdvice wondering why they were going out for a while and then the relationship ends because the other half "doesn't see a future together."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:11 AM
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Until they try to borrow money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:11 AM
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I’m tired of this “financially stable” standard. It’s not reasonable or realistic. The average person is in debt. The majority of people are low paid hourly wage slaves. If you exclude them, you are basically saying “the average person is definitely not good enough for me”. It's often called 'classism; by those who think it's a bad thing, but it makes sense not to worsen your own financial situation in a potential partnership. If you're not a low-paid wage slave (by your own standards), why woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:06 AM
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I don't know which is more frequent - you may be about it right - but someone underestimating their own attractiveness isn't going to lead to the cases the OP was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:01 AM
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The urge to aim too high, whether it's social hypergamy (mostly female), or aiming for a much more physically attractive partner or multiple partners (mostly male in either case) is very often a case of people overrating their own value to the opposite sex. It's sort of a RMV/SMV version of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 12:31 AM
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Defining "significant time and energy" is the rub there; I think a lot of men are not very good at what you'd call spending "significant time and energy" on any relationship in that sense unless pushed from the other side, thrown together by circumstances (work/school, or actively on a hobby), or pursuing them sexually - the latter being impossible to keep up if the interest isn't reciprocated. I have long-term hobby friends, former work friends, and former classmates, who I've been in touch wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:00 PM
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Not sure what country you're referring to, then - Saudi Arabia? Or within the US, extrapolating the boonies to the whole country? (Hint: 80%+ of the US population is urban) Because I'm talking about the US. Most people will have a car in their household, regardless of age, but having an individual car before you have a full-time job is very much a class marker, and something of one even after. If you think most people have their own un-shared car at 21, you're extrapolating either from a well-of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 11:35 PM
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Marriage is irrelevant; there are plenty of people in unstable marriages or who are married but too poor to adequately support kids, and there are plenty of people who have long-term unmarried partnerships which are stable enough that there's no problem raising kids, as well as some purely single parents who have adequate resources to raise kids on their own. People have been having kids they can't support for as long as there have been people, and there's plenty of shame around that already, we…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 10:08 PM
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There are a LOT of states that have made access difficult: https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/abortion-access-tool/US (more detailed/nuanced version here: https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2019/08/state-abortion-policy-landscape-hostile-supportive ) From the latter source: U.S. Women of Reproductive Age (aged 13–44) Currently, nearly 40 million U.S. women of reproductive age (58% of the total number) live in states that have demonstrated hostility to abortion rights. In contrast, 25.8 mill…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 10:03 PM
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Not that uncommon at all. Having your own car at 16 is seriously privileged even by middle-class standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:57 PM
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There's a LOT of Texas where it's still Texas for 3 hours in any direction. No idea about Mexican abortion laws, but only one of Texas's neighbors (New Mexico, the farthest from any of Texas's major population centers) has relatively liberal abortion laws. If a woman is well off, she can fly out of state. Given how the crazier red-state abortion laws are going, she'd do well to stay out of state after.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:56 PM
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Having sex is a mutual benefit for the man and the woman, not just for the man. Only if you're doing it right. Not everybody does.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 08:47 PM
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Or the immigration status a marriage to you would bring, hey, don't forget that. And at least she wouldn't have a drug problem, and would probably be thinner than an average American let alone being 300 pounds with diabetes. *shrug*
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 05:17 PM
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Not sure I'd agree with: women in general don't like to date working class men (retail, food service, etc.) as I think this is just a special case of 'tend to not like to "date down"' and women from a lower-working-class background who haven't gone off to college or anything seem just fine with lower-working-class guys. (Further below very US-specific, and probably somewhat western or even Anglo-cultural specific.) Speaking more generally, one big difference is that age difference, which works a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 09:15 PM
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Out of about 2.1M incarcerated people in the US, about 90% are male. That's more than the gender gap right there. Moreover, the ever-incarcerated number is similarly large, over a larger number of people. For that matter, it's easier for men to pair up down because of the assumption of hypergamy for women. If you look at college graduates, the numbers of women graduating from colege are are currently greater, and while that only goes back a little ways... I don't dislike the odds that would appl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:53 AM
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I'm a medical student in the Northeast, 26 years old. Do you actually have time to date? By reputation, medical students (and residents) don't have much time. You're going into a profession with a ton of women relative to tech, and where they're women who aren't going to want to date down. There are are also a LOT of women in nursing and similar health professions, which are whatever the mostly-female equivalent of a sausage fest is. Worst come to worst, go abroad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:42 AM
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if someone can't get any, he's obviously secretly a piece of shit is just wrong. If your goal is just to get some, vs. to build a relationship, that's part of the problem. For a lot of guys, casual sex is going to be harder than relationship because the only thing that's going to matter for casual sex is attraction... and for most people of either sex, that visual first and rarely diverges from that. There are women and men for whom that isn't true, but from what I can see they're also the ones …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 05:49 PM
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I dunno, I think any girl looking for that the simps are doing everyone a favor by letting the girls self-identify.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 01:10 AM
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The number was clearly pulled from thin air as a placeholder for "tiny." The question is, rather like with drug legalization, is whether a small or even moderate proportion of abuses (which are almost always already illegal for other reasons) justify absolute or at least very broad prohibition of either drugs, or prostitution or both. Opponents in both cases focus only on corner cases; internationally, the common drumbeat is "legalization increases trafficking" - which is true, but it completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 06:15 PM
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That doesn't say what you're claiming; that shows that the Americans (generally) have the lowest rate of pretty much all sorts of slavery, and that an insanely large majority of persons trafficked for sex are women (plausible globally, although at least in the US, that the rate is as high as it is globally is implausible.) r/PurplePillDebate is a pretty US-specific sub; nowhere that I can see does it address even an estimate of the reciprocal percentage - what proportion of sex workers in any gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 04:22 PM
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Without knowing more of your demographics and location, you're either in a terrible pool, or you're fishing in the wrong one. If you're looking in the wrong pool, start looking for other pools near you to fish in. If you're in a terrible pool, move, get a better job, or both. I mean, judging by my wife's single friends, there is no shortage of single/divorced women in their late 30s/early 40s who are not particularly fit but not morbidly obese (ranging from "fat if you're picky" to by reasonable…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:59 AM
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Or, y'know, you're 20 years older, and calling women girls. The age-appropriate women are 20 years older, and if you're lucky enough not to be heavier, almost everyone else gets heavier as they get older, and America as a whole got fatter. In the late 1990s, you were still in your late teens, and if you were muscular and ripped at that age, well, there are more girls that age who go just for that than there are women around 30. The gym body culture didn't die off over time, it dies off with age,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 06:50 AM
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The usual ways ugly short guys improve their record is either getting by on charm, or on aggression/audacity. Both are kind of hard if you're on the spectrum, but charm at least can be a learned skill. If you're a 4 on a good day, you're going to have to compromise on multiple dimensions, that's just life. Without knowing your threshold for "morbidly obese," if that's literally a 40+ BMI, well hopefully she's got other things going for her. Keeping up a positive attitude, or learning to fake it …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 05:44 AM
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Part of the argument falls apart immediately the moment you look at top/average as binary; attractiveness, ignoring any "eye of the beholder" characteristics, is a continuous variable not a discrete one. There are plenty of people who are noticeably less attractive than average, if nothing else, and a smaller number hugely so. Within any group, yes, plenty of people of either sex overestimate their market value (whether for a relationship OR for casual sex) and focus on people who are out of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 02:49 AM
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I mean approaching it like a job search; if you're going to spend 1-2 hours a day crunching L33tcode, you can spend an hour or two a day going over Match and eHarmony, dealing with conversations there (which is a learned skill like any other), and picking up a non-sausage-fest hobby for the weekend. Plus working friends with spouses/partners networks; my wife is an RN, and let me tell you, health care has the same problem that tech has in reverse. My wife has quite a few single coworkers, many o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 01:41 AM
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Sure. I don't think either one is all that prevalent today, though, especially with people in professions that require a high degree of education. Plus, to the original point, if you're well-enough off to actively look for a would-be SAHM (or an outright trophy wife) you can afford to look for someone with a degree and some level of accomplishment who's willing to give up her job (or her career, depending on how good the offer is), rather than "Becky from the block who’s never had a job and stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 07:46 AM
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In general, most middle-class stay-at-home moms START as functionally independent adults. Even in my folks' generation, and they were a little too old to be boomers. Plus it's always been a bit of a luxury, at least beyond a few years when the kids are really young - there are a lot of families where the intent is that mom goes back to work pretty much as soon as it's practical. As for trophy wives, sure, it's a rich guy trope, and you do get some non-rich guys who do it, especially if they end …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 07:24 AM
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It's either part of them, or a reflection of them; I'd call that a distinction without a difference. If you're smart, you look at where the status/wealth come from as much as just a person has them are there. If you're only dating for the money, I guess it doesn't matter whether your partner earned it or they grandparents did, but if you're looking for a life partner, the more someone is handed life on easy mode, the less you can tell about their character from their relative "success."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 07:13 AM
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Visual sexual attraction is the only real kind of "attraction". Visual sexual attraction is the most immediate kind under normal circumstances, but it's hardly the only sort of sexual attraction. People are very good at imagining things, filling in details, and projecting. For that matter, a small number of people are truly non-visual in their attraction, but for most, the mental aspects of sexual attraction are real... just potentially additive to the visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 04:20 AM
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Barring an accident, in general, for age-appropriate partnerships in general you hope to age at around the same rate... both mentally and physically. There are some guys who are a*holes, and turn 50 and look at their ~50 year old wives and go "eh, I'm going to trade her in for a 25 year old," and use the money they have left over after the divorce to buy there way into the pants of a 25 year old who is otherwise below them, but most guys have better sense than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 04:17 AM
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The meatspace is just as much who you are as what's in your head, so yeah. And while your situation/history isn't always in your control, your choices and what you can control about your situation IS every bit as much who you are as the body and brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 04:15 AM
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Pretty inauthentic if you're not interested in someone because they can't provide you with stuff though. You don't want them for who they are, just what they can potentially give to you. Depends on where you're coming from. If you're already in a good place, it's about finding someone who you could potentially build a life with together. If they've got a lot more than you, it might actually be a negative, because there's going to be a power imbalance. If you're coming from a place of poverty, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 04:13 AM
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Plenty of people never get riches, but the guy who's making whatever the county median is where you live with a decent job and someplace to rent is always going to be a better choice than the guy who's big payday/recording contract/whatever is always right around the corner and ends up sponging off of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 04:08 AM
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Well, sometimes you do, but as they said, it's usually ones looking for someone to control, or especially for engineers, sometimes ones who don't "get it" in terms of social skills and are just trying to buy their way into a relationship. I work in tech, and I have a fair number of single friends who are single because either: their standards are impossibly high, or they've given up/never tried All of them have good jobs. Most of them are better looking than I am. All of them are sane, normal pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 04:04 AM
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We let a lot slide in terms of socio economic status. Depends on if you're looking for a life-partner, or a FWB. FWB = sane enough not to endanger you, not so broke she's going to be hitting you up for her rent, maximize for availability and looks Life-partner = sure, looks are important, but you want someone who's smart enough to be a good mother to your kids, and who's going to share your values. If you're a college graduate on a professional track, you're going to look for someone else who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 03:54 AM
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What's wrong with not wanting to date someone unemployed, or unattractive? People have different thresholds for how fat is unattractive, but everyone barring a tiny number of fetishists has one. Similarly, people have different ideas of what's attractive/unattractive, and there's no reason to apologize for that. If you changed, you may well fit more people's definition of attractive. That's your good luck. Similarly, everyone has different definitions of "a suitable partner," and for almost ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 03:48 AM
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tl;dr: I think young women with good job prospects were already in my generation[*] better served finding someone "not sexist" with generally good prospects than specifically someone with not just good but higher earning potential, and that has only become more true over time. tl;dr2: the single-income nuclear family has been basically dead (edit) economically impractical since Reagan was in office, and the sooner people (regardless of gender) readjust their expectations accordingly, the better …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 06:02 PM
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First, thanks for explaining the social dynamics there; sounds like my guess was hugely off the mark. As for my original statement, Just using the term "communism" as that was the western term for those governments. Last question, if it wasn't the socialist-dictatorship period itself, do you think some of being more egalitarian is a reaction to that period?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 04:38 PM
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Then you state that in marriages where the woman makes substantially more money that the couple would already be progressive so I presume it would follow that the men would have no problem stepping out of the workforce if need be. Actually, it's more like "the couple would already be progressive so I presume it would follow that they aren't going to be hung up on someone stepping out of the workplace in the first place." the couple has chosen to have one member of the relationship step of the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 04:35 PM
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And yeah, some schools take the politics of the moment way too seriously; by the time you're in college, forcing people to take "gender studies and tolerance classes" seems a little late, and goes way beyond making sure that people have a diversity of exposure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 02:52 AM
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College is about more than just career preparation, and career preparation is about more than just your major. I mean, frankly, relatively few majors directly prepare you for a job, and some of those set you up very poorly for long-term career progression. Even in engineering, as you become more senior, the practice having written in human language and working with other concepts becomes more important. I can't speak for every college, but I look at people who went into the sciences/engineering …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 02:47 AM
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Sure; at a certain point, the after tax income of the lower number doesn't pay for daycare + taxes + putting more miles on a 2nd car anymore. That said, it can still make sense to keep a barely-a-wash or even slightly negative net income job while the kids are really young because once you drop out of the workforce it gets harder to get back in, especially into the kind of jobs where you're not going to be stuck at that lower income for a long time. And yeah, I know couples that have had a high-…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 02:19 AM
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it makes no logical sense for Mom who’s making 150K to quit her job and stay at home if Dad is making 90K 240k is a lot of money most places. For a couple that earns 240k total, they are either in a very high cost metro area - in which case you get child care and deal with it (or move a grandparent/inlaw in), because you can't afford to drop to one income - or you are someplace where that's serious money, in which case you can just hire a nanny, or buy a nice place for one set of grandparents to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 01:37 AM
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Some of it is what the parents do. HR chick whose parents are immigrants and she's the first one in the family to have BA is going to have very different expectations picked up from family than HR chick whose parents were domestic and where both had degrees in not-upper middle-class white/pink collar jobs (nurse, teacher, engineer back before it was highly paid, etc) and whose parents expectations are to get some kind of white collar job. Then there's the HR chick whose family was upper-middle-c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 01:32 AM
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Or if you want to claim that the modern system of specializations doesn't matter, engineering degrees are also older than any women's college in the US or any co-educational college.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 12:52 AM
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My alma mater is a whopping 3 years younger... so what? Paris/Oxford/Cambridge/Genoa and a number of others in Germany are hundreds of years older than that, but the courses of study, whether in 13th Century Paris or 18th Century America would been unrecognizable by the end of the 19th. The modern university system (in the US) developed over the course of the 19th Century; a quick read up on Europe suggests that the transition was quicker there, but still started primarily after 1800, and the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 12:23 AM
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Nursing covers a wide range of things; LVN vs. RN vs APRN vs. almost-doctors like an NP or CNA. As someone whose BA is from an Ivy League school, and whose wife is an RN, clearly it happens :) although we got together long before she went back for a nursing degree (her undergrad degree and first masters' are in something else entirely.) OTOH, I live in a part of the country where RN wages are pretty crazy high and have been for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 12:01 AM
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Working-class != lower-class. At least except in the US where it's impolite to call anyone working class.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:34 PM
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People were getting specialized engineering degrees since before the civil war. That's before the modern university system developed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:29 PM
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Why unfortunately? I've never seen any sign that grads of top schools that have a strong gen-ed requirement do any worse on placements in tech fields or getting into STEM graduate programs than places that produce tools who never left the lab.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:27 PM
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Ultimately, plumbers are only a rung or two above strippers, at least when it comes to being considered for LTRs with women Depends a lot on the woman's background, I suspect. I don't know any plumbers, but I know a lot of guys in other trades in my neighborhood. Most of them are married, and their wives seem like perfectly reasonable people. Not a lot of the wives have jobs that require college degrees, and of those that do, the one I know well enough to comment got her degree later vs. being o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:20 PM
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Also when a plumber is making 90,000 usually he goes from plumber to "small business owner" (aka he owns his plumbing business) and I don't really think that's low status at all. Probably depends on where you live. $90k would definitely not be the business owner around here; my neighbor was a union electrician and on a good year was making $300k (including a lot of overtime) without working for himself. This is a weird, and kind of extreme area in terms of the cost of living and cost of labor, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:15 PM
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Possibly a side effect of communism?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:13 PM
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Class is weird here because we insist it doesn't exist when it obviously does. Other than that part, I don't think it's any weirder than anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:12 PM
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People of both sexes are marrying later, and choosing to marry at lower rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:11 PM
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This must be an American thing. Definitely an American thing, but not sure it's only an American thing. A 4-year college degree is a huge class marker here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:09 PM
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