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| 0 | Fuck you too GoogleIf you want to argue against feminists generalizing men, don't deflate your argument by doing the same thing to women. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 01:08 PM |
| 1 | Fuck you too GoogleI do not come from a background where anyone was able to choose to stay home with the kids. Who the hell can afford that? But if you want to argue that women have this choice, I only counter with the fact that men have the same one, class factors aside. Women don't have some kind of esoteric power to prevent men from staying with their kids, just as men don't have the power to force women to stay home either. These are societal pressures that we have very little control over. We should work to c… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 12:48 PM |
| 0 | Fuck you too GoogleWell, the fact that you're generalizing an entire gender without evidence does make your point kind of hard to understand. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Fuck you too GoogleI'm not arguing any of that, I'm just saying men can choose to stay home with their kids. Societal assumptions hold them back, which is what we must work to change. But the choice is still there. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 01:00 AM |
| 0 | Fuck you too GoogleHypergamy means marrying up. I thought you were saying that our society doesn't value the male parenting role because women don't find that attractive in a man. What does hypergamy have to do with this? | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 12:58 AM |
| 2 | Fuck you too GoogleYes, I can appreciate that men who must work rather than stay at home with the kids lose a lot of valuable bonding time. That's one of the reasons why paternal leave is so important. But in reality, men do have this choice. We should fight the societal assumptions which hold them back from it. Just as we should fight the societal assumptions that women who have kids become subpar employees, or that they are automatically responsible for childcare. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 12:55 AM |
| 0 | Fuck you too GoogleI'm not sure what your argument is. If someone doesn't respect your decisions about how to run your life, you should probably look for another partner anyway. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 12:45 AM |
| 1 | Fuck you too GoogleAre you referring to the choice to stay home with their children or to have a career? Because men absolutely have that choice too. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 10:40 PM |
| 4 | Fuck you too GoogleOk, I guess I just disagree with your interpretation. My interpretation is based on the fact that the quote was made in 1984, during a huge cultural shift where women were being encouraged and supported in seeking work outside the home after they had married and possibly had children. There was a lot of pushback from people who thought women were shirking their wifely and motherly duties by doing so, leading many women to believe that they had to seek out advice on how to do both. We still see t… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Fuck you too GoogleI am replying because I'd love to start a discussion. Maybe we can start from a fact or anecdote that we agree on. For example, that women seek advice on how to balance their careers with their families more often than men, which is all the quote is implying. Do you think this is true? | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 05:18 PM |
| 3 | Fuck you too GoogleI'm sure this is going to get buried but I'm going to comment anyway because it seems that many people in this thread have misunderstood the quote. The quote is referencing the general fact that the bulk of domestic duties are automatically assigned to women (the double burden) and thus when women want to have a career they are often asked how they can manage to perform all of their wifely duties while still working full time. It is compounded when women have children, and then the implication b… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 05:08 PM |
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