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Or maybe proof that men's mental health isn't taken seriously right now especially by mainstream media? Idk if we say that this is never gonna change it seems like the point of this space is to circle-jerk and commiserate. That's not a rights-movement, its a pity party. The pity party doesn't help men. I think it's good to call out how unfair it is that society turns male suffering into a meme, but a proper "call out" has gotta be founded in some sort of optimism that the behavior being called o…
/r/MensRights31/08/20 04:47 AM
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Thanks for the reply! I am elated and saddened-- elated that this comment chain has been respectful and informative, saddened that the information that has come out is more of the depressing same. I appreciate that you took the time to clarify.
/r/MensRights13/07/20 03:42 PM
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I guess I’m still confused. Are you saying that the image you linked is itself applying this stupid “let’s only count 5% method” when it says 1.6, or are you reading the “bringing the count” part of that sentence as a correction of another study? It’s not quite clear based on the limited screen cap. My earlier comment was based on the supposition that we were reading a sloppily translated sentence differently, specifically the sentence you had two circles around. There does seem to be ambiguity …
/r/MensRights11/07/20 03:59 PM
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1.6 mil is 5% of all men in France, not 5% of all men in France who claim to have been raped. This title is very misleading- the linked page is just a poor translation from a page in French.
/r/MensRights10/07/20 11:01 PM
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Fair enough. But would a self-identifying feminist pass your litmus test if they said they didn't want harsher punishments for female criminals, but instead less harsh punishments for males? TBH I struggle to make myself clear on this topic, because I think the word "punishment" itself often implies retribution, which might make us feel better but really accomplishes very little beyond the separation component, unless we emphasize rehabilitation instead of vengeance. I think our focus should be …
/r/MensRights17/04/20 07:19 PM
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I agree with you that there should be a "hue and cry" over the double standard, and you seem to agree with me that there should be a "hue and cry" over a justice system (or economy) which treats anyone as disposable. But what would happen if women suddenly started receiving equal sentences? I worry that some MRAs would see this as a win in and of itself. If you're like many on this sub who see feminists as aiming at the advancement/advantage of women rather than equality, you should worry that t…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 05:34 PM
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I'm saying that the conventional approach of being "hard" on criminals does nothing to stop crime or rehabilitate criminals. In the US, our idea of being "hard" or "tough" on crime is to force criminals to live in an environment that breeds criminality. To use them as slave labor and deny them any reasonable opportunity to improve themselves or their community. Of course, this is mostly just the standard for criminal men. Fetishizing punishment for "bad people" doesn't actually help anyone. I'm …
/r/MensRights17/04/20 05:01 PM
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It's interesting to ask "if there are two standards, which one should we be applying equally to all people?" Is our takeaway from something like this going to be "women need to be punished more", "men need to be punished less," or some combination of the two? Our idea of guilt and our social fixation of retributive justice is already skewed enough towards punishment and vilification in the case of men. I hope that outrage at the treatment of men doesn't manifest in calls to treat women just as o…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:28 PM
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Do you mind sharing the reasoning behind your second sentence? Benefits to such a general population as "parents interested in caregiving" is about as discriminatory as provisions for college loans or funding-- just because not everyone literally cashes in on a benefit doesn't mean it can't benefit society writ large. I can see how it would be discriminatory if a couple that adopted couldn't get leave, but not how it rises to being discriminatory against someone who doesn't have kids. Just cuz I…
/r/MensRights18/01/20 01:48 AM
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Thanks for appreciating my detailed reply, and for giving us all an occasion to think over these difficulties! What fascinates and frustrates me to no end about this community (and certain feminist groups) is the readiness to encounter neutral descriptions of fact as value-laden assaults on their moral character. I say that pregnancies are often unplanned, and that not all women are lucky enough to have a man who can or will (1) support them or (2) carry out the parenting himself... ... and I’m …
/r/MensRights29/12/19 06:09 PM
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Parenting is a blessing, it's a privilege, it's something you choose to do. Nearly half of all pregnancies are unintended-- either unwanted or unplanned. The rate of unintended pregancies increases drastically as income decreases. Parenting is a privilege, but pregancy is not always chosen. Women are treated like royalty when they take care of children In 2018, 39.6% of births were to unmarried women. Not all women are lucky enough to have kings. I'm not saying that dedicated, hard-working male …
/r/MensRights29/12/19 05:43 AM
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What makes you most unique and wonderful isn’t that your a female interested in male liberation (though that is a great thing to be!)— it’s that you are a person who is concerned about rights for all genders. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but it seems like you might take the view, uncommon on this sub, that there is valuable work to be improve the deal that society offers men and the one it offers women. I’m all for people picking their causes— your “ally language” suggests to me that…
/r/MensRights28/12/19 05:03 PM
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It is a good bit of faith, I'll give you that, and I respect your willingness to accept it as such. But I also think it is severely skewed to call him anti-male. The statements listed in OP and other comments don't strike me as containing anti-male sentiment. "Men use women as free labor" is OP's translation of "women perform more unpaid work in the home." OP is the one who reads misandry into the statement. The original message coming out of the Yang camp and being used for justification of the…
/r/MensRights28/12/19 04:40 AM
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If you want a candidate who promises to outlaw all instances of MGM in America, Andrew Yang is not your perfect candidate. But, if you want someone on the policy stage who (1) believes that most circumcisions happen because ill-informed and not-particularly religious people just never knew that their kids might prefer to remain uncut, and (2) that ignorance is not a compelling reason to promote genital mutilation, then Yang is the only person around speaking your language. He's making a clarific…
/r/MensRights28/12/19 01:20 AM
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Thank you for your patience with me and for an interesting discussion. You have instilled in me a caution concerning callous use of the words “misogyny” and “misandry”, a caution that Yang unfortunately seems to lack. I have given much thought to men’s issues, and I have given much thought to women’s issues. It seems to be that we all struggle in our particular ways, not because malevolent agents motivated by hate and feelings of gender superiority have set out to make us suffer, but because peo…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 09:10 PM
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Why would a candidate have to disbelieve in a problem of misogyny in order to effectively address men’s issues?
/r/MensRights24/12/19 08:35 PM
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I just think that if you're open to possible versions of "society has a problem with misogyny", then the statement "our country is deeply misogynist" shouldn't be cause to declare that Andrew Yang is a piece of shit who could never be helpful in addressing men's issues. I know you didn't say this personally, but its the spirit of the thread that I wished to speak against. I am frustrated that this thread has reacted so strongly against a not-unreasonable statement, the content of which boils dow…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 05:53 PM
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I see your point, but I’d like to resist your willingness to anthropomorphize society and treat it like a monolithic force (even if you’re doing so in the spirit of taking Yang’s words at face value). It’s tricky and frankly unproductive to ask whether society hates group X. If we treat this as a yes or no question, we will have to resort to percents or some other metric, and we will get an answer that isn’t really as informative as we’d hoped. Are we justified in saying that “American society n…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 04:51 PM
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So you've seen people make openly hateful statements about women? I don't mean to be trite (lol i really do sue me) but why are you asking me for evidence of people hating women when it is a clear a phenomenon as people hating men? I think there IS something to this subreddit-- people here are hip to the unfair reality that hating men is, in some circles, seen as cool, while hating women in public is generally frowned upon. But the fact remains: many women hate men because they blame them for th…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 07:33 AM
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If I could sum up my perspective in one sentence, it would NOT be "everything is fine guys, let's just act like nothing was ever wrong, and it will turn out okay by itself." A more charitable reading of my comment reveals at least three things that are NOT fine-- (1) men face unique and unnecessary challenges as men (2) women face unique and unnecessary challenges as women (3) men and women routinely find ways to blame each other for their challenges, in the process losing their ability to coope…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 07:22 AM
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I share all of your concerns and outrage. I appreciate you taking the time to list all the reasons that I stick around this sub, the real issues that are seen as non-issues because they affect primarily men. The only one that I'm not familiar with is "societally sanctioned negative discrimination in employment and higher ed", and I'd be interested in hearing more about what this refers to. You are correct that my phrasing does not capture the depth of the problem. Maybe I chose the words I did (…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 06:37 AM
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You're very much correct. It would be more accurate of me to say that "masculine" and "feminine" perspectives and energies necessarily counterbalance each other, but this opens up a can of worms over what exactly belongs to one and the other. There are all sorts of polar pairs-- aggressive/passive, destructive/constructive, implusive/planning, criticism/acceptance, righteous anger/forgiveness-- that conflict or give off friction for their differences, but at the same time are only whole, stable,…
/r/MensRights23/12/19 07:21 AM
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"Qualificiation" and "leadership" gets complex here. We can imagine that the perspective and lived experiences of white males and queer POC are different enough that the former couldn't possibly be "qualified" to "lead" the latter unless they were a *very* skilled listener. No man is qualified to lead abortion policy unless one of his qualifications is "sympathetic to women", and no female is qualfied to judge the value of male parenting unless one of her qualifications is "sympathetic to father…
/r/MensRights23/12/19 06:00 AM
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I would respectfully halfway disagree. Not really disagree as much as tease out the metaphor. Yin and Yang is not so much good and evil as it is positive and negative, in the sense of assertion & negation. We have no lack of candidates willing to contradict each other and define themselves as what the other isn't. What we don't have is any one "yin-yang candidate" who is able to recast apparently destructive conflict as constructive debate. Presumably because if anyone on that stage had mastered…
/r/MensRights23/12/19 05:50 AM
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r/MensRights is just as frustrating a sub as r/Feminism sometimes. Its like each group is so heavily invested in hyping up "their fighter" in the octagon, so heavily invested in winning "this bout", they forget that two fighters have to come together in a friendly agreement under respectful rules to get what benefits the both of them: a successful and profitable bout that leaves both bruised and winded but substantially richer and hopefully happier for the joy of mutual competetition and benefit…
/r/MensRights23/12/19 02:52 AM
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