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| 210 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits. | CMV | Damagedfool | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Do nice guy tendencies make a decently attractive man significantly less attractive? | Discussion | Damagedfool | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/22 08:19 PM |
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| 1 | You guys don't understand what social anxiety isI make plenty of cash because I have an advanced degree and don't mind spending months carrying heavy shit through the bush in the middle of nowhere, but women still don't like me lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/22 01:10 AM |
| 1 | Women don't make dating appealing to the below average menYeah man I've got a masters degree in a scientific field and a job straight out of national geographic (helicopter flights and adventures in the mountains/arctic), I've traveled all of the world. I make good money, and I'm fit as fuck and have a decent face. But, I'm short, so none of that matters. I'm occasionally able to get laid by lowering my standards considerably, but I want a woman who I really connect with. Problem is, all the smart, adventurous outdoorsy women can get a guy who is 6 ft … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/22 12:59 AM |
| 2 | Is there a "Modern Male Mating Crisis?"I guess it just so happens that most people I've personally known who are "monstrous abusers" have been women, not men, so that has colored my perceptions. I think a lot of people in general are just terrible. | /r/ExRedPill | 12/11/22 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Is there a "Modern Male Mating Crisis?"That's not real an answer, I'm wondering why you specifically think men are worse than women. A lot of women simply pursue terrible men, it seems to me. (Or are very bad at vetting) | /r/ExRedPill | 12/11/22 04:57 PM |
| 2 | I think I can ask women questions in this sub. "Women only like the tallest, richest, and most handsome men and don't give the others a chance" and "They don't care if a man with these qualities is an asshole." Why do you bother about when we say this?5 11' is tall lol | /r/ExRedPill | 12/11/22 03:30 PM |
| 2 | Is there a "Modern Male Mating Crisis?"Why do you say men are so much worse? I've been hurt by a lot more women than men. I'm straight of course so that factors into it, but I've been hurt by a lot of women who I wasn't romantically involved with in any way also. But most of the men in my life I'd trust my life to, but maybe that just means I've chosen my friends wisely. I do want to know why you think men are worse than women though, I really don't understand this. | /r/ExRedPill | 12/11/22 03:12 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Yeah I mean I'm actually kind of viewing this through a feminist lens in a sense, but even when you do that it's pretty hard to ignore this elephant in the room, imo. These systems are bad for everyone, but both men and women perpetuate them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/22 04:35 PM |
| 2 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Idk I'm looking for a women who matches my level of education or at least close to it, I've got a masters degree in a hard science and a good career, hoping to find someone else like that but most women of that type seem to be looking for a different type of guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/22 01:07 PM |
| 3 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Nothing, at least not that I'm aware of. I've become more comfortable in my own skin and found healthier ways of expressing masculinity. (Climbing is wonderful for this, it's got an element of friendly competition, but is a pretty mutually supportive, team environment where you and your bros literally keep each other alive and try to help solve the next "problem.") I still see toxic men getting more attention from women than seems reasonable, but that's not me and I'm not going to adopt toxic tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/22 12:53 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Well, this probably isn't the sub for that, lol. But generally building dual power through community is never a bad thing to do. But building those mutual aid networks is a lot harder when people of different genders have a hard time seeing each other as human beings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 10:20 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Yes, but fuck both rich men and rich women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 10:05 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Capitalism serves only the rich, it's an extraordinarily constraining system to everyone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 09:01 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Well, if you've got any recommended reading I'm always open to it. I really want to understand why the world is as fucked up as it is and be as decent a human as I can. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 08:21 PM |
| 0 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.I agree, I even basically said as much in my OP. As I've said elsewhere here, I also think capitalism encourages the kind of zero-sum, competitive thinking that encourages toxic behaviors. There are a lot of facets to this, and it's interesting to talk about but I don't know if we as humans will ever really reach a satisfying answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 08:10 PM |
| 2 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.I share a lot of my ideas in common with feminists aside from these. It's the incongruencies that I'm trying to explore. I've spent a lot of time in left-wing spaces and identify broadly with anarchism specifically, but my personal experiences make me believe there is more to the story of why there is so much conflict between genders/sexes. It really does seem to me that women frequently select for men with toxically masculine traits. Maybe it's just my own experiences, but I'm not the only one … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 07:51 PM |
| 2 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Oh, yeah they are, I guess I didn't get what you were going for. I thought you were saying "predators choose prey" was the normal state of things | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 07:48 PM |
| 2 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Well I'm actually interested to hear what you've got to say. What do you think is the best way to move forward and make things so that there is less internalized misogyny, if we're talking about the same thing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 07:29 PM |
| 3 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.This is a toxic way of looking at things imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 07:01 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Well, I've only been out for a few months now, our experiences were clearly different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 06:59 PM |
| 2 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Are there not a lot of nice men who are adventurous and attractive? It seems to me that even they get passed over for those who are attractive but with toxic traits a lot of the time. Depends on what you mean by adventurous, though. I work a job that's straight out of national geographic (helicopters, remote places, science, mountains) and still struggle more than a lot of much less ambitious, yet more, well, "fratty" for lack of a better word, men I've met. I do okay now, but I'm extremely awar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 06:56 PM |
| 6 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Nah I do agree with you at least somewhat, I just don't think it's quite that simple. I think capitalism itself has a role to play in how it encourages zero-sum competitive thinking, also. But nature has a role to play too, and reading about the behaviors of primates raises some interesting questions, but offers no particular answers. (The second time I've shilled for Carl Sagan in this thread, but Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors is an interesting read on that subject) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 05:57 PM |
| 4 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.As someone who has a masters degree and thus has spent a lot of time around "young educated women," I disagree wholeheartedly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 05:51 PM |
| 9 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Go to any house party full of young people and watch who most (yes, not all) of the women gravitate towards. Listen to the types of men women complain about, yet sleep with over and over again, despite getting burned. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 05:05 PM |
| 1 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.I even said not all women in my post. I've had good romantic relationships with women in the past. (Ended due to life circumstances, moving away, that kind of thing) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 05:03 PM |
| 5 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors by Carl Sagan is an interesting read on this kind of stuff and doesn't really argue either way, but is just kind of a long discussion of it. It's a fair bit more optimistic than I am. Good read though. I don't think we have to be enslaved to nature, but most people basically choose to be, imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 05:01 PM |
| 4 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.When it comes down to it, this does seem to be true, and is an example of toxic behavior from women around this issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 04:13 PM |
| 7 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.This is an absolutely great comment and I totally agree. This is the kind of constructive, honest discourse that I could actually see leading to real progress, instead of one gender endlessly bashing the other for not acting the way we want each other to act. I think personally I've found that middle ground, or at least am getting there, but I spent a long time being very confused and frustrated with the way things are, and it's been a long journey. I'll never have all the answers, as I still th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 04:10 PM |
| 14 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Evolution and how genes work basically dictate that living beings do what allows them to reproduce, else we wouldn't even be here. Women frequently choose their partners independent of ethics too. But yeah, that fact often manifests itself in extremely toxic ways. I'm growing to think humanity in general is often very toxic and neither sex is particularly to blame. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 04:03 PM |
| 11 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Nah toxic masculinity exists, but the emphasis is on the word toxic, not masculinity. For instance the idea that men have to only be completely stoic and not show any emotion is part of what I'd consider toxic, or the idea that men have to put down other men in order to be "alpha" or whatever. That's toxic masculinity. Healthy masculinity is like, collaborating with your bros and getting something cool done as a team or uplifting your fellow men in a mutually beneficial, supportive way. Or like,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 03:57 PM |
| 5 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Exactly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 03:51 PM |
| 5 | The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits.Can you please elaborate? Primary roles? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/22 03:01 PM |
| 1 | Bluepillers, what do you think the redpill offers young men?It's a Faustian bargain. It may drive you to become more attractive, you might even succeed, but it will permanently fuck up your views on society and cost you your faith in humanity in general. Spoken as someone who has struggled for a long time and don't really consider myself either "red pill" or "blue pill." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/22 01:50 PM |
| 2 | This sub just doesn’t believe in loveI mean, this just isn't the case that guys who struggle only stay at home. I'm a decent enough looking, fit guy and I have a really cool, well paying job where I do science in the mountains and carry heavy shit through the woods with the occasional helicopter ride. I'm adventurous as hell and I've been all over the world too, made friends along the way. I've had a relationship or two, but none of this stuff really makes up for the fact that I'm only 5 '7. I can attract women who can't match my l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/22 02:47 PM |
| 1 | Most men that aren't having sex are otherwise fairly normal dudes, not women hating misogynists like reddit and society would lead you to believeI mean, I'm really not. Got friends from all walks of life, good friends who I trust. Just feel like I ought to be doing better than I am. I just bitch here because it's a good place to bitch. I think a lot of redpill ideology is toxic but some of the discourse here is interesting, and it seems to me reality is somewhere in the middle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/22 02:49 AM |
| 1 | Most men that aren't having sex are otherwise fairly normal dudes, not women hating misogynists like reddit and society would lead you to believeI've got a masters degree and a job straight out of fucking national geographic. I'm talking, flying around in the mountains in a helicopter and carrying heavy shit up the side of a ridge, for science. I'm fit, have good facial features (been told this many times and I do get matches on Tinder with attractive women, which don't go anywhere) and I've traveled all over the world. Make friends everywhere I go. None of this really makes up for the fact that I'm "only" 5 ft 7. I've had some odd succe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/22 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Most men that aren't having sex are otherwise fairly normal dudes, not women hating misogynists like reddit and society would lead you to believeI think my next step might be to look overseas, tbh. I've got the kind of career that makes that possible so my thought is "why not?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/22 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Most men that aren't having sex are otherwise fairly normal dudes, not women hating misogynists like reddit and society would lead you to believeMan I have a masters degree and a job straight out of fucking Natgeo and still struggle immensely. I'm fit, have cool hobbies, and make friends easily, and I've traveled all over the world. Doesn't translate into romantic success. Only thing is I'm short, but not even that short at 5 '7. Fucking rough out there. I've had girlfriends, but currently working on a year long dry spell, idk what the problem is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/22 02:23 AM |
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