DankSinatra Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
15	Idealism Versus Pragmatism	Debate	DankSinatra	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/14 08:02 PM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
0	Look at TBP in all its "glory". TBP members post pictures on reddit and end up showing how beta it was. Fair enough, perhaps my understanding of the scope of TRP was incorrect. You're fundamentally incorrect in your understanding of feminism, though. Merely stating facts: it has three acknowledged waves, dating back to women's suffrage in the 19th century. the second wave is the liberation you mention, and the third is primarily the one addressing (and using the word) patriarchy. As far as your assessment that there's never been a patriarchal society - I disagree but I think its best to keep my op…	/r/TheRedPill	13/07/14 05:59 AM
0	Look at TBP in all its "glory". TBP members post pictures on reddit and end up showing how beta it was. feminist theory is very broad and dates back 150+ years - there's no way I can tell you with any specificity what research has been cited in that time. my point is that trp is not "essentially evolutionary biology". a TRPer can cite the findings of some evolutionary biologist that support it's tenants, sure, but at the end of the day TRP, by its own admission, applies to Western societies specifically. something that only affects the part of the world with certain societal prerequisites isn't "e…	/r/TheRedPill	13/07/14 05:30 AM
1	Look at TBP in all its "glory". TBP members post pictures on reddit and end up showing how beta it was. neither feminism nor TRP are either (or pseudosciences). they're ideologies - collections of social analysis under a guiding principle. either can cite scientific (or pseudoscientific) data in support of their analysis	/r/TheRedPill	13/07/14 04:51 AM
1	The Men Who Built America- alpha men in action I don't disagree with your fourth paragraph but I question the relevance of the third. i like the description of "a bunch of little lords of the flies" - that, in my understanding, is you referring to the economy-wide deregulation & globalization that's occurred since the late 70s? if so, I agree! legislation like NAFTA, the WTO, right-to-work laws, etc transcend any one specific industry and affect workers widely in a way a steel or oil baron's policies never could. As so many industries were d…	/r/TheRedPill	04/07/14 04:21 PM
5	The Men Who Built America- alpha men in action so totally untrue. Look up The Homestead Strike of 1892. Carnegie, through his proxy Frick, hired scabs and protected them with armed guards. People died. In the following years Carnegie Steel (later US Steel when Morgan bought in) hired aggressively anti-union. and the idea that pay periods somehow relate to worker empowerment - what? its one thing to admire business magnates, but don't pass off bad information trying to make them seem more admirable, Carnegie was absolutely not a friend of lab…	/r/TheRedPill	04/07/14 02:57 PM
4	Attraction has always been manipulation Emotional abuse isn't a newly invented feminist buzzword. its a real thing, has been since forever	/r/TheRedPill	02/07/14 11:51 PM
1	Let's be honest and cop to the "manipulation" this subreddit propagates in order to "trick women into having sex" with us. (Been lurking for a few weeks, this is my first post here) Right. nobody takes offense to what you're calling "the building blocks" - what other people call the "self improvement" portion of the ideology. nobody's calling that manipulation, it's internal to the individual. posts about dread game, withholding compliments, tinder/texting/Okc game, conditioning a potential LTR, "fake it till you make it" etc do strike me as textbook manipulation. that doesn't mean women dont do other manipulative things or that TRP is the only group advocating manipulation…	/r/TheRedPill	02/07/14 06:08 PM
1	Highly upvoted post in the EMSK subreddit - batteries included, as well as straw men, pedestaling, explaining what love is, emotional abuse, torture. But wait, there's more: "A healthy human being doesn't use sexual strategy." of course we do! look at public perception of religious people, of political activists, of fraternal organizations, of literally any like-minded group following some semblance of dogmatic ideology - they're all generalized by their extremists. its an issue of public discourse, and I'd agree a flaw. hardly unique here, though	/r/TheRedPill	30/06/14 10:03 PM
4	Highly upvoted post in the EMSK subreddit - batteries included, as well as straw men, pedestaling, explaining what love is, emotional abuse, torture. But wait, there's more: "A healthy human being doesn't use sexual strategy." I lurk here and I've seen far-right, ultra nationalist, and/or racist shit get posted fairly frequently. it disappears quickly, for what that's worth, but I think it's obvious that the rhetoric here attracts some fringe people.	/r/TheRedPill	30/06/14 08:08 PM
2	Lesbian wonders how her life became "so straight" well, yeah, saying it requires believing in the concept of a patriarchy. its not something you, or anyone who doesn't accept feminist analysis, would ever say. to someone who does believe in the concept, it's exactly as you described: subverting the perceived authority	/r/TheRedPill	04/06/14 05:25 PM
4	Lesbian wonders how her life became "so straight" its idiomatic speech, riffing on "smash the state"	/r/TheRedPill	04/06/14 05:10 PM
3	What are women trying to accomplish with the #YesAllWomen campaign? That's interesting - the dichotomy of striving to change society versus striving to change oneself. I guess my question would be: who's defining the scope of the "problem"? If I understand TRP rhetoric correctly, the idea is that feminist thought is pervasive in Western culture but RPers can and should overcome it in their day-to-day. I would think that purporting that something has drastically changed societal gender constructs within the last century amounts to more than "a small spoiled child…	/r/TheRedPill	31/05/14 08:54 PM
-4	What are women trying to accomplish with the #YesAllWomen campaign? Couldn't one say the same about TRP? That it's predominantly upper middle class white men seeking out an "oppressor" (feminism) to attribute all of the perceived societal injustices to? That TRPers enjoy acting like victims?	/r/TheRedPill	31/05/14 06:11 PM
2	Idealism Versus Pragmatism That's interesting. I think I better understand your initial reply better now, and perhaps I should have qualified my response to include mention of the fact that the crossing of moral lines is something I'm consciously avoiding - for an individual subscribing to this ethical egoism then you're right - it wouldn't require crossing morals or moral flexibility. Ultimately, any discussion of ideals has got to acknowledge the absolute relativity of the subject. For that individual, they very well co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/14 10:18 PM
1	Idealism Versus Pragmatism Ha, no you don't need to go on to me. I agree. Some of those to me suggest that manipulating others is the bad behavior. Some read more like extreme narcissism and cockiness are the at-fault behaviors. In none of those scenarios does the asshole treat others as his equal, valuing their opinions as equally valid as his own. I think that correlates nicely with my theory, as outlined in OP	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/14 09:49 PM
1	Idealism Versus Pragmatism For discussion's sake, that begs the question of what makes a good person? What behavoirs make you think badly of those people that do things because they can or because other people are doing it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/14 05:39 PM
1	Idealism Versus Pragmatism What about the people who realize that pragmatism is the appropriate course of action? They use any failure, anger, and confusion as fuel for the tactics necessary for success. From this, they actually become optimistic about the state of things now that they are able to use it to their advantage. Well, that's a qualitative judgment - saying that pragmatism is the singular appropriate course of action. I said in my OP that I personally fall on the side of idealism, as I've defined it. I don't ag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/14 05:35 PM
1	Idealism Versus Pragmatism While ideals are nice, I think the reason for the divide is simple: When you see a group of people (i.e. women) tout ideals that they themselves do not adhere to, it's difficult not to fall back on reality instead of ideals. Women say, "hey we like nice guys, just be yourself," it only takes a few times to see she's going to fuck the douche at the party minutes after telling you she values your friendship and wants to take it slow that you wonder-- who benefits from these ideals? You've assumed …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/14 05:14 PM
2	TIME: "How to help 'defective girls': What Schools Can Do to Help Boys Succeed. Brilliant article. Feminists are losing, and we are changing the world. Fair enough. It seems like a viable idea. Interestingly, I think I would prefer a coed classroom to a single-sex one for my future kids for the same reason you prefer the alternative: because there are real differences between boys and girls. I think that the real value of schoolwork isn't in what facts are specifically learned but instead in the teaching of critical thinking skills, what it means to work as an individual part of a larger group, and (perhaps depressingly) that schoolwork rewards…	/r/MensRights	29/10/13 03:37 PM
5	TIME: "How to help 'defective girls': What Schools Can Do to Help Boys Succeed. Brilliant article. Feminists are losing, and we are changing the world. I'll bite. I have never heard a rationale for single-sex education and, outside of gym class, was brought up in a co-ed academic enviornment from pre-school through college. For what it's worth, I also avoid this sub, /r/all got me here. I realize I may be un-informed about the benefits of single-sex education, so break it down for me: why would it be preferable? Also, when you say it's about gender what do you mean? Seems to me that separating schoolchildren by gender would be harmful once they…	/r/MensRights	28/10/13 09:24 PM
1	About the twitter hashtag: summed up perfectly in one tweet http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/4chan	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 06:39 AM