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There is a visceral hatred from these women when betas, looking for an equal partner, think they should hold equal responsibility when going out. The Red Pill is that women want to be provided for, so by denying them the free cash, you are actually deeply insulting them in such profound ways, they will use every inequality they can latch on to to name, blame, and shame you. This all can be avoided if you pay up. This confuses our beta sensibilities, because it means the difference between heart-…
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 12:36 AM
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Women hate failed men and men are indifferent at very best. If a man is in a terrible situation, he clearly did something to deserve it. Plus, humor is not politically correct.
/r/MGTOW22/06/21 02:14 AM
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Looking at the Let's Plays, it seems like all of the women saw the ending coming. Main character is basically a Redditor - listens to women, believes in transhumanism instead of Sky Fairy religion, ends up getting played.
/r/MGTOW08/06/21 08:58 PM
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Women detest explaining things to a man - because if he needs to be explained it, he cannot do it naturally through his genetics alone. He's not an Alpha in that field. This not only applies to masculinity, but also the attempted femininity when equality is called for. This is why SJWs screech out "Its not our job to educate you!" A person who needs help doesn't actually want it in their eyes. Meanwhile a masculine-minded person is very willing to share and defend his point of view or hobbies wi…
/r/MGTOW08/06/21 08:07 PM
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I detest women who dabble in politics. And if their dabbling extends to military matters, it becomes utterly unendurable. In no local section of the Party has a woman ever had the right to hold even the smallest post. It has therefore often been said that we were a party of misogynists, who regarded a woman only as a machine for making children, or else as a plaything. That's far from being the case... I told them that 90 per cent of the matters dealt with by parliament were masculine affairs, o…
/r/MGTOW08/06/21 07:51 PM
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A. Feminists do not care about men's issues unless they provide a path to subverting "The Patriarchy". In fact, its almost impossible to get women to admit that men have unique, severe problems that are not of their own making. Feminism isn't an equal rights movement, but a female self-interest movement - trying to appeal to them to help you with your problems stews resentment. B. Men do not care about men's problems either. What would seriously happen if r/MensRights marched on the streets to e…
/r/MGTOW07/06/21 11:33 PM
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...Medieval troubadours?
/r/MGTOW06/06/21 05:08 AM
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The problem is Briffault's Law. I think this extends to all of women's relationships, not just the romantic ones. So its not like you'll have a buddy whose always going to be at your side, but a girlfriend carefully making calculations in her head towards your value you aren't even fucking. If they don't ghost you with time, you're put on the beta backburner for the moment where they can extract resources from you. Come from a bit more masculine-brained family (higher-tier mechanics) ands its fu…
/r/MGTOW05/06/21 01:36 AM
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With women, they basically use these "religions" to justify their own solipsism. There is no universal orthodoxy to follow, so they can believe and behave in whatever way they want and justify it under "do what ye will". For example, a female Satanist might hold great contempt for the weak and the defeated, but still expect you to care for her and her own issues. If you try to point out the contradictions of her beliefs, you'll probably end the relationship. Meanwhile, masculine religion is buil…
/r/MGTOW03/06/21 03:43 AM
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Men fight each other for resources. Women lack the strength to win in any fair fight, so they must use their social ties to manipulate the results they desire. They can't beat a person out of their group, but they can use gossip to socially ostracize them. They can't physically blackmail you to following their will, but they can nag you to hurt you emotionally. If honey catches more flies than vinegar, why do women nag men? That's because they're not primarily trying to get you to do something. …
/r/MGTOW23/05/21 06:45 PM
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Looks + Money + Status. Confidence as well, but unless it is backed up by the former, she may wake up one day and see that his mentality is not backed up by his biology (hence the hate of PUA/Red Pill self-help.) Women don't like "assholes" that lose their shit, but "assholes" in that they do not particular need her beyond a fulfilment of their own desire. If you need something, that implies you are too weak to live without it, and women hate weakness. This makes the idea of "equal partnership" …
/r/MGTOW23/05/21 06:30 PM
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Women are in control of sex and reproduction. If women refused to have sex outside of child rearing, birth rates would go up. Now women aren't as interested in marriage and children as they used to, so they spend their prime years on other tasks. Men are to blame too, but they have less control over the dating market, more time to decide, and need more time to accumulate resources. Honestly, women not having kids isn't the biggest problem for me. But women don't own up respectfully about their h…
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 03:56 AM
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At best, men are responsible for the greatest achievements, inventions, and contributions to society in all of human history. But like how women are unable to recognize the sacrifices a beta husband has made in a relationship, so to men's sacrifice throughout human history. They then use the minor extreme of male violence to disparage all men, while painting themselves as angels for not committing extreme acts when they take every opportunity to humiliate those they see as beneath them. Once you…
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 10:42 PM
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Men are the romantic sex, who enjoy a sense of security with their woman. It is women who turn queasy at death do they part - what if she meets a more valuable man, what if he loses his job, what if he gets too comfortable? So even a "player" enjoys marriage almost as much as a woman whose only had two other men.
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 04:23 PM
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Since women are hypergamous and solipsistic, they inevitably idealize, devalue, then discard like narcissists. Idealize - She thinks you are an Alpha, with no needs of your own or will to serve anyone but yourself. She'll throw waves of sex, gifts, and validation when love bombing you so she can secure a high value male. Devalue - You can't be an Alpha forever. Inevitable, she sees your vulnerablities, the chinks in your armor. She'll start acting passive aggressive, shit-test at full gear, and …
/r/MGTOW06/05/21 04:58 AM
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Imagine thinking you're safe because you're a 1% man...and then a 0.1% man takes your girl.
/r/MGTOW05/05/21 09:18 PM
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Well, those are the best answers. Skimmed through a good bit of philosophy, purpose, friendship, and happiness are the general answers, with much of the rest snake oil. Know its hard, but those are your options.
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 05:08 AM
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Not going to sugar coat, but you're probably not going to do well with women. If one can ever truly feel secure these days. Not everyone gets a good draw in genetics. Basically you should rely on good friends to keep you company and help you with issues. I know its hard (I only got a real good friend or two this year) but I think that's the most honest solution.
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 04:40 AM
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His body, her choice?
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 01:32 AM
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Dalrock saw this coming. Complementarians BTFOed again. No matter how smart. No matter how rich. No matter how generous you are - all she wants is...MORE.
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 09:44 PM
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T.H.O.T.s Those Hoes Owe Taxes!
/r/MGTOW28/04/21 11:07 PM
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Pretty important fact to remember, or else some guys will bounce back into traditionalism. While feminists act like bitches about, they're being honest with the sentiment women need men like fish need a bicycle. Women couldn't leave men because they could not take care of themselves in a pre-industrial society. In fact, because of the inherent inequality of the era, they were probably more genuinely attracted to men as well. When given relative free reign over marriage, women do not seek to pair…
/r/MGTOW26/04/21 03:13 AM
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Based.
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 05:11 PM
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Damn. I did not remember the movie was that bad. Its like Forrest Gump. I think most men (betas) are programmed on the biological level to simp for women, even to excuse the blatant disregard women have for them as momentary foolishness - she'll get tired of the Alphas and see the good beta he really is one day. The masculine fantasy of compatibility is much more marketable than the female fantasy of, well, resource extraction. Now, formerly beta men are breaking out of this fantasy because of t…
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 10:58 PM
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Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit Issue was high class porn. Since the internet explosion allows men easy access to both high class and low class porn, the only purpose left is to prop up state propaganda.
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 01:02 AM
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I think the best thing for society is if men and women acted responsibly and decided to raise children together. However, just like the woman is under no obligation to not divorce her husband, he's under no obligation to be the baby daddy for an unwanted pregnancy. She's independent now.
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 09:04 PM
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First of all - never cohabitate. You're not the first man to notice the nagging go up and the sex dry up once you provide security and comfort. It makes logical sense, if men and women were natural compliments to each other...but they are not. Don't do it again. You have no moral obligation to stay with a woman, who you are not even married to, who does not fulfill your needs and actively abuses you. It will probably ugly for her, but she will eventually move on. NGL, with a seven figure bank ac…
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 08:37 PM
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Notice her problem isn't being a prostitute. Its being a FREE prostitute.
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 07:11 PM
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I think male-female friendships don't work out even if you are able to hold conversation together. Firstly, the awkward sexual tension will place limits on what you can do and share together that would not come up in unisex friendships. Secondly, male friendships are build on shared interest, experience, and reciprocity. With most women, she probably doesn't have the same interests as you, will probably feel to awkward if you hang out together too much, and doesn't feel obligated to enact recipr…
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 07:00 AM
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Chivalry is dead, and women killed it. We're equal now. I would not intervene to save a random male from assault, why would I be so sexist as to save the woman? Deep down, women still want protection from men. Even though they are less likely than men to be the victim of violence, they will still use the accusation of sexism to leverage privileges from men. And to their credit, this does work. To an extent.
/r/MGTOW31/03/21 10:19 PM
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I'm mildly disabled, so I struggle in tasks other people succeed in naturally. I do not want to spread my disability to another generation of family and I will not uphold a woman's burden of performance over time. I view women as more chaotic and selfish than men, so I feel greater kinship and good-will towards men.
/r/MGTOW30/03/21 04:36 AM
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Women's empathy is not formed on a rational basis, but an emotional one. If you're on her good side, she'll forgive you for just about anything. If you don't elicit those sort of emotions, I.E. you're an average male, so goes her empathy. This makes actually addressing men's issues very difficult, because most men don't care and most women will interpret struggle as personal failure on the man's part.
/r/MGTOW28/03/21 11:03 PM
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I think men still misunderstand what women mean when they say "I don't need a man." They try to assess the statement logically, then try to "debunk" the statement with facts. That's not the point. When a woman says "I don't need a man", she's speaking emotionally. She does not feel any emotional connection to men who can no longer provide for her. She'll still desire the efforts of men - attention, sex, income, infrastructure - but only because they, for now, have succeeded in performance. Same …
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 12:26 AM
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STOP ASKING ME WHAT YOU SHOULD DO TO HELP, AND JUST FUCKING DO THE THINGS. Really, the whole discussion of "emotional labor" is just female nagging with a bow of ideology to wrap around it. It isn't that these guys are bad people. They're trying to do their best. What they're guilty of is incompetence: they're not providing as a genuine expression of their desire. They want an Alpha who naturally knows what to do, even traditionally feminine tasks of house and childcare. Ironically, man's desire…
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 05:10 AM
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When we try to hold women accountable for their nature, women inevitably cry out "#NotAllWomen". When women try to blame men for everything and we try to defend ourselves, they shout "#YesAllMen". Broad strokes when it benefits women, narrow peculiarities when it paints them in a bad light. And they will get away with it. Because #YesAllWomen have some degree of value. Men hold nothing but the status they've earned in society. Attempts to logic both men and women into egalitarianism will fail be…
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:37 PM
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They're trying to fix the bad boy MGTOWs while the FAs pine for their affection.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:31 PM
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She wants a perfect man who has no problems for her to share a burden, but also wants that perfect man who fills her checklist to not exercise his options.
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 07:05 PM
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"Choreplay" doesn't work because women aren't sexually attracted to beta male providing. Women will say it themselves - they consider it the bare minimum of household duty - yielding to her is a reactionary defense against further nagging. It is better for each party to do what they're naturally inclined towards, but what is sexiest of all is to remove her leverage entirely and refuse to commit.
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 06:24 PM
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Studies show that, even when controlled for income, a two-parent home is healthier for children than single motherhood. The fact that women prefer to "cash out" over dealing with "low-value men" for the children's sake should question how strong their "motherly instinct" really is.
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 04:02 AM
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If marriage was made for the family, we would not have no-fault divorce, especially while the kids are still growing up. TradCons demands the best of both worlds: pick yourself up by your bootstraps, but also do the right thing with few protections from the state. There is nothing legally stopping a woman from divorcing you, taking your children and half your stuff, for any reason she sees fit. The discussion of who's really at fault is irrelevant - marriage as a system in-of-itself does a poor …
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 05:30 PM
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On a heartwarming note, at least some of the number is inflated by Chinese families who refused to report children.
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 04:16 AM
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Toy Story 1: "I was worried I'd be replaced, but there is plenty to go around." Toy Story 2: "I might be replaced in the future, but I'm good for now." Toy Story 3: "I was replaced, but someone else can now enjoy me." Toy Story 4: "Actually, I want to be replaced!"
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 08:32 PM
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StoneTossFormat.jpg "We're going to treat them like livestock and control their reproduction." "Wow, you're such a misogynist, Incel." "Misogynist? Incel?" shows r/FDS
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 11:41 PM
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State-Enforced Cuckoldry.
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 05:26 PM
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Society is built around protecting women, the limiting factor of population growth. Not only does this mean men are interested in women first, but also women are interested in themselves first. It took me years to understand what women meant by "putting make-up on for themselves", because its obvious that they're doing so to attain status and high value mates. But once you understand women are their own mental point of origin, it makes sense - it is about her attaining that value, not about a tr…
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 07:33 PM
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Trigger Warning: The Deepest, Darkest, Coldest Red Pill, curtesy of Coltaine. You have been warned. Abandon all hope, ye who enter. The murder rate of women in the United States is 1 for every 100,000. The murder rate of infants in the United States is 8 for every 100,000 (and probably underreported). As the child's age decreases, women make an increasing majority of the perpetrators. Women are significantly more likely to kill their own babies than to be killed by a man. Since we are not runnin…
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 06:47 PM
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Stanley Kubrick's work is the anti-blue pill, with Eyes Wide Shut one of the most RP films out there.
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 04:22 PM
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I think we can still hold our righteous fury to the system who not only does not intervene to make a more stable order, but actively tries to hide these truths to make any efforts or compromise impossible.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 09:32 PM
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When I think about my once nice guy, underneath our good times and our friendship was his lack of direction in his life. He always had big ideas, but never followed through with them. He was lost, burdened by his divorce, and couldn’t stick with a job after he lost interest. Thou he should really at least have some sort of job, women detest men who don't have a mission. If you are lost at sea, women will not let you on their life raft. We found common ground, friendship, and chemistry because we…
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 06:49 AM
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When it comes down to it, women are incredibly fine-tuned to selecting power. I don't think I could name a form of power women are not attracted to. Instead of natural compliments to each other, in reality women filter men for the best genes to pass on to the next generation. If the situation calls for it, women will abandon most men in favor of a particularly successful Alpha. Our popular view of romance comes from the illusion provided by changing conditions in civilization and institutional m…
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 08:05 PM
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she is a 3rd degree going for a 4th degree black belt in Shaolin and kempo karate and could kill me quite easily. What you expect. What would actually happen.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 05:36 PM
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Part of this reason is that, to be super informed about the world, you need to question everything you know, be open to everything, study things with great rigor. However, what we see as masculine is confidence - doing what you want, not giving a fuck, certain you'll succeed. These are diametrically opposed attributes that are difficult to balance in one man. But between the two, masculinity is preferable to women. Intelligence is one of the traits that emerged later, more higher order and sacri…
/r/MGTOW17/02/21 09:48 PM
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Because women find consistency and vulnerability unattractive. You have to be on your A game all the time just to break even. Its even one of the Iron Rules of Tomassi.
/r/MGTOW17/02/21 01:07 AM
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It is a mistake to think that the left or mainstream won't accept the fundamental ideas that make up the Red Pill ideology. As you can see with FDS, women can easily understand sex differences and dynamics. Their real problem with us is that we advocate for our own interests first ("misogyny"), or try to set things so mutually beneficial relationships can prosper ("patriarchy"). When women see the overwhelming evidence that liberal feminism is a boldface lie, they don't return to egalitarianism …
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 07:39 PM
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FDS is being very literal when they talk about seeking "high value men".
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 06:02 AM
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You don't. If the enemy is everywhere, retreat only means defeat. It is time to plan for a careful counterattack.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 12:16 AM
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SAHM? More like SHAM. This guy's going to get railroaded. RIP.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 07:24 PM
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You're making the mistake of falling into her frame. If a bitch starts giving you a fucking receipt to excuse why she feels entitled, the correct response is "Fine. You're fired." "Am I doing enough for you, Mastha?" "That's totally unfair, Mastha!" are exclamations of the slave. A free man can boldly look at the situation and declare "No." Not because of her terms. Not because of equality. But because of his terms alone.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:13 PM
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Crab bucket mentality in the comments. You don't get to decide who's Chad. Women do.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 05:31 AM
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Western Europe. Perhaps the only group in all of human history to see a mass sexual assault on them by a foreign group of people, then still ask for more.
/r/MGTOW10/02/21 06:40 PM
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I wouldn't make a hard cut off with people unless they don't disrespect me or general good will towards others. But ultimately you need to find people well you are at. Sucks to grow apart, but is what it is. Hopefully you can find people who have similar goals, values, and current position in life.
/r/MGTOW09/02/21 05:34 AM
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I'd respect women a lot more if they'd just admit they want to be provided for instead of playing the victim card over 15 bucks.
/r/MGTOW09/02/21 01:10 AM
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Women find a man's inability to lead not only unattractive, but personally offensive.
/r/MGTOW09/02/21 12:10 AM
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Nowadays? Once again you are projecting your masculine tendencies onto women. Men were always the disposable sex. Countless stone age men were abandoned in the dust or the grave while "their woman" was taken by a stronger invader. Women never "needed" men in an emotional manner. You were either mistaking financial dependence or portrayal of romance made by men.
/r/MGTOW09/02/21 12:02 AM
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I think when we started our Red Pill journey, we imagined that bad relationships were usually the guy's fault, or at least a combination of bad behavior among both parties. The image of a battered 50s housewife comes to mind. But, as we see here, emotional and physical abuse often have nothing to do with it. Its men being incompetent. Not providing enough money, not taking care of the house like a woman would, expecting "emotional labor" (I.E., a partner he can always turn to), and blaming him f…
/r/MGTOW08/02/21 08:19 PM
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You're trying to rationally engage with beings that are constantly changing and self-centered. Trying to argue with facts and logic is going against her "lived experience". The only way to deal with them is to not take them seriously. Not argue, not storm off, just a stoic smile and a light dismission.
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 05:56 PM
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Women do this shit all the time. If you think this is a troll post, you didn't slay.
/r/MGTOW03/02/21 06:49 PM
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He was one of the many men who gladly gripped the hammer of liberal deconstruction and bashed it against the foundations of society. Years later, either he was a legitimate abuser who should not be given a microphone or the victim of the very culture he created. Either way, the world no longer needs shock rock - and into the future, neither will we.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 06:55 PM
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There might be a filtering mechanism, since the worst moms will often keep their children, while the worst dads high tail it.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 05:56 PM
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Credit where credit is due, the sub seems to be giving good advice that won't total the family.
/r/MGTOW29/01/21 08:25 PM
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Based. I would also say that even among the best video games, very few are amplified by the fact they are a video game. For example, while I may love the graphics, music, and story of some of the better JRPGs out there, the fact is most of the time you're dedicating yourself to repetitive grinds that make up the bulk of the multi-dozen hour long experience. With any recreational consumptive media, for every 100 works out there, only one may leave a long lasting impression on you. OP should keep …
/r/MGTOW27/01/21 10:14 PM
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Dude your bitch took your bitch.
/r/MGTOW25/01/21 09:31 PM
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Comments: We both had dreamt of marrying together and living happily. She even seemed very enthusiastic about all this. Means nothing. When men start talking this way, they think these are serious promises, wills for something greater and secure. When women talk this way, it is because that is what they feel in the particular moment. If she thinks you did something wrong or meets a bigger fish, the promise is over. Men who've gamed taken women can attest how little their loyalty means. Now ever …
/r/MGTOW25/01/21 07:05 PM
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Equality is a false god.
/r/MGTOW25/01/21 06:27 PM
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I find when we talk about women's superior empathy, what we're really talking about is women's emotional vs men's rational thinking. Women tend to feel more pain and are willing to act based on that fact, while men are more stable in their manners. The problem with this is that, should a woman's emotions change, so goes her empathy. Women naturally do not care very much about the struggles of their provider, so they feel no obligation to nurture or stay loyal. It is also women, not men, who get …
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 03:45 PM
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All I particularly ask for are honesty, sympathy for our issues, and maintaining the marriage until children are 18. Everything else I can accept that we are two competing groups who need to go our separate ways.
/r/MGTOW21/01/21 07:40 PM
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Imagine getting MOGed by a 15 year old.
/r/MGTOW21/01/21 07:13 PM
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Gross.
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 11:26 PM
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Blue Pill would probably say he's "just standing up for himself."
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 09:04 PM
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Women abuse men all the time. But they are so covert about it, men have no recourse.
/r/MGTOW18/01/21 11:27 PM
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When pressured on this, women will deflect it by saying women attempt more suicides then men, therefore they're still the victims of patriarchy. Once again, their feelings are more important than your actual problems. The best way to avoid this bickering is to be honest - regardless of who has it worse, I care more about male suicides because I am a man. I do not not care about female suicides, but the people who suffer that are most like me come first.
/r/MGTOW17/01/21 09:44 PM
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"Terrorist" is basically as vapid a smear as "misogynist". "Oh my God, a (bad guy/man) did something (violent/misogynist) for absolutely no reason, whatsoever! Why can't they be nice while we crush them?" If Osama bin Laden wanted to destroy Western freedoms, he would have attacked Sweden.
/r/MGTOW17/01/21 07:33 PM
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Your advice is bad because mostly Married Red Pill isn't to tell men how to avoid prison. Its for how men are supposed to survive when they've already been caught.
/r/MGTOW16/01/21 07:54 PM
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The best thing you can hope for in a marriage is that you endure a barrage of shit tests, only indirectly validated when she feels like it, so she can become a copy of you. Women are almost perfectly calibrated for loving power.
/r/MGTOW16/01/21 04:02 AM
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"Meteor hits Earth. Only women are effected."
/r/MGTOW15/01/21 02:29 AM
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Let's face it - women don't date Virgos.
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 08:55 PM
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Now you are MALTing. "Look at this singular example, wow the sexes really are just like each other." And not even a good example: guys at stag parties are incurring little risk to their future for their good time, unless protection breaks. I guess I can't point to any singular fact and prove my point is correct. But in my personal experience, it seems to explain a lot. Men are very loyal to their friends, women less so. Men try to rationally understand their present and future, women turn to rel…
/r/TheRedPill14/01/21 08:46 PM
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Cohabitation kills attraction. Not only is it beta security, but the prolonged exposure gives her the full chance to see your faults and criticize your lifestyle. Essentially, you have to "Marriage Game" the love of your life, and marriage under COVID is the max difficulty settings. Unfortunately, men believe a wedding ring achieves his "Happily Ever After", when reality couldn't be farther from the truth. Honestly, I think the only reason men and women should get together is to have children. E…
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 08:23 PM
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You're NAWALTing. While all women lie somewhere on the spectrum, women's emotionalism is a fundamental difference between men and women. All women struggle understanding the consequences of their actions or developing loyalty from past benefit.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/21 07:34 PM
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All strengths and problems between men vs women can simply be found through the dichotomy of rationality vs emotion. Men are stable, women are chaotic. Men want to be needed, women want to be wanted. Men care deeply about the past and future, women live in the present. Use this as a general insight, and you will make more accurate predictions in the future.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/21 07:25 PM
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Ratting your mother, aunt, and uncle with up to 10 years of prison time for standing up to oligarchic elites.
/r/MGTOW11/01/21 04:26 AM
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I think the difference is that when men act friendly, they expect that women will act friendly back. Women act friendly because they feel like it. So when they are pissed off at you for doing something wrong, they feel free to withhold affection at a moment's notice - you're not entitled to anything, manbaby. Women feel little obligation to stay with their decades-long husband or their teenage sweetheart. And while they may enjoy the attention you throw at them, this shouldn't be mistaken as the…
/r/MGTOW11/01/21 12:58 AM
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There will never be an overthrow of society with men going their own way in unison. Biologically, while women are subordinate to the Alphas, beta men are subordinate to women. We are biologically hardwired to put them on a pedestal. It is relatively new factors like technology, liberal politics, and honestly what should be considered abusive behavior that has allowed the growth of manosphere ideas. Either things will progress into a stable dystopia or we eventually do revolt, but in a manner tha…
/r/MGTOW10/01/21 10:19 PM
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A misndrist is a woman who hates men, then uses the worst of men to justify her hate. A misogynist is a man who loved women, but was forced to love them less and less because of repeated behavior by the average woman.
/r/MGTOW08/01/21 08:02 PM
2

Woman "die" at 25 She's not wrong lol.
/r/MGTOW07/01/21 11:35 PM
2

Should have bought early. What's your guy's yardstick for investing? I'm a low-risk guy, but might be better to dip my toe...
/r/MGTOW07/01/21 11:22 PM
5

Basically men on r/AskMen are universally tired of the burden of performance.
/r/MGTOW07/01/21 08:59 AM
2

Or "Nothing's wrong" when everything's wrong, or even stating the notion literally.
/r/MGTOW01/01/21 09:45 PM
12

As I, Hypocrite points out: There are many reasons that women might leave a relationship, but there is one reason that is much, much, much more common than all the rest. Dissatisfaction. Say it with me. Dissatisfaction. Oh I’m sorry, is that a little more esoteric than you were hoping for? Welcome to dealing with women. Dr. Willard F. Harley Jr., a noted and well-respected author and marriage counselor, lists the following nine statements as the most commonly quoted to him by women seeking divor…
/r/MGTOW01/01/21 08:56 PM
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"Men think with their dicks" is projection. Men are highly motivated to seek out sex, but as far as his ideas are concerned, they're more influenced by his protection instinct and need for validation. It is women who think with their vaginas. A seduced man just wants to fuck. A seduced woman will grow to despise her "sweetheart" and contemplate throwing everything away for some dick. And once you are no longer giving her those tingles, the same fate will happen to you. Of the non-feminist female…
/r/MGTOW31/12/20 03:22 AM
5

Validation is the ultimate drug, and female validation is 100% pure Columbian. It is perhaps the ultimate gap between the beta and the Alpha: the beta does things for others, while the Alpha does things for himself. And while we all love to take our rounds on Billy Beta, at the end of the day most men do have an aspect of themselves that desires to be useful to others, to be the hero not because it is best for himself, but best for everyone. Unfortunately, betas rarely get the respect they think…
/r/MGTOW30/12/20 02:45 AM
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Women don't understand "The Patriarchy" doesn't exist. There is no solidarity between a multi-millionaire CEO and a sewage line cleaner. There are no popular organizations opposing feminism or claiming male supremacy. What appears to be "The Patriarchy" is really a system of order meant to maximize a culture's success by placing people into their roles. Men were placed in positions of power because of their physical strength, masculine demeanor, and because it is attractive to women. Today, wome…
/r/MGTOW30/12/20 02:23 AM
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I actually agree with this post. While you are posting from behind a Reddit soft ban, Female Dating Strategy gets relatively positive attention from mainstream sites like Medium and The Verge. Turns out, as a society we see nothing wrong with the nasty attitudes of the manosphere...as long as they're coming from women. I'm not even against more conservative outlooks on dating. But the acceptance of such blatant misandry shocks me even after all this time. Open Hypergamy is here. All of the shami…
/r/MGTOW29/12/20 12:31 AM
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Weimar with Wi-Fi
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 07:44 PM
4

To be fair, most men would be lazy to. They just need to do shit to get the women.
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 06:24 PM
1

What does critical thinking mean? And how can someone attain it? Critical thinking means attaining the objective value judgement of an opinion or ideology. It is taking the conclusions, then applying them to other situations to see if they hold up. Is X true? If X is supposedly true, but Y is also true, doesn't that completely undermine X? All things have their positives and negatives, so the best thing you can do is find what they are, then incorporate the positives of the opposite. A continual…
/r/MGTOW19/12/20 05:09 PM
5

"Men fantasize about being the hero and saving the day. Women fantasize about being the villain and getting away with it."
/r/MGTOW01/12/20 06:05 PM
4

Men can wear pink. But women don't fuck them.
/r/MGTOW30/11/20 05:25 AM
1

Dying to fulfil another man's destiny isn't Alpha. Unless you're honest and just in it for the cash. Don't get your legs blown up and get discarded just because it is the "right" or even the "Alpha" thing to do.
/r/MGTOW27/11/20 01:46 AM
2

Rape by deception.
/r/MGTOW23/11/20 10:08 PM
8

Based on the current politics, human sociobiology, and the philosophy of the ancients, I've come to the view that the best way to live one's life is ethical egotism (basically what Rollo Tomassi says). Your #1 goal should be your own happiness, which includes, but is not exclusive to, the happiness of others. Unfortunately, this leads to a cynical view on ethics and society. Ethical egoism general advocates against the "noble sacrifice", because it often leads you feeling unsatisfied and disresp…
/r/MGTOW20/11/20 09:38 PM
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People in the Past: "In the future, we will have flying cars, hoverboards, and shoes that will lace themselves!" The Future:
/r/MGTOW20/11/20 09:12 PM
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I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a daughter. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a girl for at least 18 years solely so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little girl - reading her stories at bedtime, making her go to sports practice, making sure she had a healthy diet, educating her, playing with her. All of it has one simple result: her body is more enjoyable fo…
/r/MGTOW20/11/20 09:07 PM
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Insults her independence Insults her maturity Downplays her despair/anxiety "Please be honest and thoughtful" Hey, maybe it works. But I would have been more short and direct. Just ask if she's truly invested in the relationship, and if not or she doesn't meet your standards, end it there.
/r/MGTOW19/11/20 12:07 AM
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A husband and wife should first and foremost be friends LOL if that were the case, men would congratulate each other for getting into her friendzone. Because of women's hypergamy and the light switch effect, there is no such thing as a stable end state for a couple, merely the hope that the relationship and society is strong enough to reduce the damage of time. This is the opposite of true, masculine friendship, where two men may have not interacted with each other for years and still are ecstat…
/r/MGTOW18/11/20 07:52 PM
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Mainstream conservativism is just liberalism 10 years ago without the free stuff. They have little in terms of positive ideology, so their issues with liberalism are purely reactionary, and thus easy to win over over time. Just give them 10 years, and you'll see TradCons just as nasty as any RadFem.
/r/MGTOW09/11/20 01:23 AM
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Women don't want to be needed. This may sound like I am joking, but I truly think the best depiction of this element of female nature was shown in the 1997 anime classic, End of Evangelion. Split into two episodes literally named "Love is Destructive" and "I Need You". The peak of the film has the protagonist Shinji, a complete emotional wreck, begging potential love interest Asuka to help him out. Not only does she refuse, she uses Shinji's most vulnerable moment to flip the script and verbally…
/r/MGTOW08/11/20 06:49 PM
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Those are all selfish endeavors, whereas men are social animals. Neither should be denied for the other (main reason why I can't support Christianity), but it seems the social elements have a stronger effect on the physique.
/r/MGTOW07/11/20 07:32 PM
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Simply put, manipulation. Instead of being direct in her attempt to win you over, she prefers the indirect route - playing up her market value so you snag her before she's gone. If you were already displaying interest, she'd probably be shaming those men to make you think you're special (while still extracting emotional benefits from those men).
/r/MGTOW07/11/20 07:29 PM
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Once woman is removed as the ultimate goal, men still desire something greater, so they sometimes turn to tradition.
/r/MGTOW07/11/20 07:25 PM
5

What did u/WithyWyndyl mean by this?
/r/BlackPillScience14/10/20 11:45 PM
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This guy knows what's up. Men want women more than women want men, and that's only going to be amplified under technological Open Hypergamy.
/r/MGTOW11/10/20 02:29 PM
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I'm actually going to agree and amplify. No, for the 10,000th time, we don't find independence sexually or even emotionally attractive. We want a submissive woman to care for who won't hypergamously monkey branch when it suits her. And yes, society was far, far better when they took away women's ability to choose for herself (and the man for himself).
/r/MGTOW05/10/20 07:29 PM
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A perfect example of gynocentrism in action. AKA why marriage is doomed for the foreseeable future. For most of these posters, the sacrifices of the father are not even considered. He is the one putting the long hours, the hard labor, and time preparing, practicing, and studying while the woman does what women are designed to do. Does he get all of that back from her when she decides to total their marriage? Seems like if women can't have it all, they'll demand betas and the State owe her back-u…
/r/MGTOW02/10/20 01:30 PM
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Honestly, this is a pretty grey black pill. Measured intelligence did not predict increased mate appeal in either study, whereas perceived intelligence and funniness did. More intelligent people were perceived as more intelligent, but not as funnier. Intelligence is attractive, but only if you can market it. Its the difference between being a competent savant and a sperg.
/r/BlackPillScience02/10/20 01:20 AM
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From their post history... Me, an ace lesbian: sigh I'm starting to think instead of talking about hypergamy, we need WAY more focus on women's solipsism: because their solipsism means they'll deny even the most benign discussion of hypergamy.
/r/MGTOW30/09/20 11:18 PM
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Eh. Think a lot of us has been there. The Blue Pill can be pretty hard to break unless you've had personal hardship.
/r/MGTOW29/09/20 12:23 AM
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A bisexual pastor and mum-of-three How does the father feel about this? Actually, WHERE is the father, period?
/r/MGTOW28/09/20 09:49 PM
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Wow, really glad you counter-signalled rape, murder, and wife-beating. Surely the feminists will not call you a misogynist this time around!
/r/MGTOW28/09/20 09:48 PM
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Never watched, but I could tell from co-worker's description it was the epitome of a chick flick: women getting what they want without consequences. A woman gets to screw 3 guys in rapid succession and, after successfully raising her daughter all by herself, the now rich and successful men come back not only for one to marry her, but all to share fathership with the daughter. Three Alpha Buxs for the price of one! Meanwhile, the daughter, gathering family and friends all the way to Italy for a b…
/r/MGTOW27/09/20 04:39 PM
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You thought feminism was bad? Just wait until we get a taste of Open Hypergamy. Constant nagging and shaming on a societal, intellectual, business-backed scale.
/r/MGTOW26/09/20 06:17 PM
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While you're not going to find women-rejecting, Nietzschean advice, there is a surprising amount of wisdom. Colossians 3:18-19: "Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the LORD. Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them." Ephesians 5:21-23: "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is t…
/r/MGTOW25/09/20 11:03 PM
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I more mean the Leftist assumption that the free love bonobo matriarchy is obviously better. But in reality, it serves the interest of women and Alphas at the cost of betas more than in the chimpanzee patriarchy. I can't say how the beta bonobos feel about this, but if we anthropomorphize the dynamic, it is a sharp critique of liberal attitudes towards sex and gender roles.
/r/BlackPillScience19/09/20 11:00 PM
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Although the mating dynamics of animals should not be considered 1:1 with the dynamics of humans, for decades the Left have used our two closest living relatives as a comparison between brutal patriarchy vs the peaceful, free-loving matriarchy. If only we could be more like bonobos and live without constraints. But, as with the rest of their observations, they only see things from a surface level. Under bonobo society, the Alpha Chads represent EVEN MORE of the group's reproductive success. The …
/r/BlackPillScience19/09/20 06:49 PM
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citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 02:31 AM
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Still Plugged In.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 12:44 AM
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There is a degree of truth to this. If women are attracted to dark, dangerous, successful men and see them as the ultimate ideal, then men who try to be good, safe, and fair are naturally going to be seen as faking it. Furthermore, if an Alpha acts from a position of power, then that means he is acting completely in his own volition - he didn't "need" her, he CHOSE her. The problem is, what women want is not only anti-feminist, but anti-civilization. Civilization was built on men sacrificing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:32 PM
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And if those men finally feel that is futile, you will become frustrated. Then you will despise us. Really the case with every problem men have. Which is why we hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:17 PM
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Like literally everything in life. Might as well unsubscribe from The Red Pill. They LITERALLY proceed, organize, structure, and present information to give it meaning!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 05:33 PM
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In the very post you put up here, you are bitching that men who think they are too ugly to be loved should stop complaining about it. Of course, you'll just say it can be improved upon, but my point is, as a woman, you will ALWAYS mock and belittle our deepest issues because you expect we'll all improve ourselves out of it. Well, some of us don't, and others just experience years of pain you just don't give a shit about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 05:08 PM
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Proves my point. You can post raw, unadulterated data, but because it is associated with men giving up, people will always discount it. Their feelings are more important than facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:59 PM
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If people were honest about how much looks matter, r/blackpilledscience would be in the sidebar. It is not, because people, including all women, despise the idea that some men have problems they cannot self-improve out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:34 PM
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Women don't like men. They like what men do for them. Once you are no longer able to provide what they need, they will slowly, sometimes even quickly, grow to despise you. Any misreported sightings of female affection are almost always the from the throes of passion, trying to win the approval of her situational Alpha. It is not actually from caring about his personal needs. If you actually take the time to deeply interview a woman, they essentially believe men have zero needs that they can't so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 02:16 AM
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I think the biggest dichotomy between Alphas and betas is that an Alpha wants, and a beta needs. Women and society view the highest man as one who acts on his own volition. Successful, self-motivated, and genuine. That's why you'll get strange advice like "Lift to attract girls...but lift for yourself, even if you don't attract them." We don't want to think the Hero is acting for validation, but enforcing his own will, which just so happens to be good for society. Selfishly selfless. Women love …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 09:23 PM
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In other words, women find money romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:48 PM
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A FemCel "Nice Girl" who thinks she's entitled to a relationship just because she has a good career. She should lower her standards. Maybe her issue is with her personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 10:39 PM
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I personally now support far right politics. But if other men want to try hardER, they can be my guest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 08:55 PM
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The feminist nightmare only ends when men stand up for themselves. If women care nothing about our struggles and loneliness, then it is time to return the favor - but with the full strength and barbarity God gifted us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 05:57 PM
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Do not interact with a female organism unless you're with another person or being recorded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 09:19 PM
1

It is really telling the only non-feminist female philosopher anyone knows is Ayn Rand, and all that amounted to was her pedestalizing her own sociopathic hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 01:37 PM
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People care more about women than men due to the "Women are Wonderful" effect. Even most forms of alleged oppression are packaged with gender roles that greatly benefit women. So the default for women is generally good, and certainly better than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 11:14 PM
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Women are responsible for most of the divorce. So obviously not. They care more about cash and prizes than Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 11:09 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 08:36 PM
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Hyper Reality is actually a very interesting and grave topic that we'll approach in modernity. Of course, instead of pondering the consequences for all of humanity, women see it as yet another opportunity to shame men. "Meteor hits Earth: Men too lazy to stop it."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 01:17 PM
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"Gee that sounds like it sucks. Hope you can achieve your goals."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 02:18 AM
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There are rare cases where a woman's "Alpha" is first and foremost an emotional provider, particularly in cases of a bad childhood or mental illness. However, even here she is still seeking a superior man - confident, motivated, and unmovable, with limited repriocity on her part. Woe to you who gets lovebombed by a quirky, special girl, only to see the relationship sour over reasons she'll refuse to even acknowledge. At the end of the day, all women are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 10:15 PM
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My wife got a "Foreplay" book from one of her cousins as a wedding gift. In it was a half naked buff dude petting bunnies, paying bills, cleaning out toilets and general husband stuff. The book should be titled "Choreplay". A passive-aggressive nag against men that, should it even be fulfilled, still leaves resentment behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 10:05 PM
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Women do not believe men have legitimate problems, especially if those problems stem from women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:58 PM
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People are NOT enjoying the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 05:03 PM
0

Play sloot games, win sloot prizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 04:13 PM
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It is called "waiting until marriage".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 03:01 PM
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I don't find it strange, because feminism is just BS used to justify female interest. All women hate unmasculine men, even feminists who think they hate masculinity. Sure, women shaming men for "fragile masculinity" is an oxymoron, but why should feminism have consistency? They get what they want anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:07 PM
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Words, words, words. The Red Pill shows women reality, and women scream at it. They think the Real is misogyny. That's why you're not Red Pilled. You just take the lies of feminism and double down on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:28 PM
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Pink Pill is the Blue Pill that doesn't care about men. They're still relatively ignorant on how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:22 PM
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These are the ridiculous arguments that happen when you allow sex for anything other than procreation in a monogamous for-life marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:02 PM
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Traditionalism is the true female Red Pill. The Pink Pill is the Matrix equivalent of staring at the Desert of the Real, then calling Morpheus a liar and doubling down on the system because it makes you feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 01:41 PM
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The typical female on here, gentlemen. The only difference between her and your "sweetheart" is at least she's honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:02 PM
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And point proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:12 AM
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The problem isn't the advice, but because it still maintains the burden of performance. That our feelings of vulnerability and negativity aren't valid, and we must continue turning the grindstone, hopefully becoming a high status, talented man in the process. If we fail at improving ourselves, or enter the dark abyss so we can't really try anymore, women are not only apathetic to our issues, but absolutely disgusted. I actually agree with the advice. Women sure as shit don't give a fuck about yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:51 AM
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This. There is a great Narcissism to our age where you owe nothing to anybody, nobody owes anything to you, and you shouldn't want things any other way. So, like a true snake oil salesman, you have to pretend that sweating your ass off moving a large object back and forth is more enjoyable than sitting your ass down and living all your greatest fantasies on TV/Internet. If women were attracted to fat asses fat assing, we'd see self-help gurus teaching the best way to chug down a gallon of ice cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 08:05 PM
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Women's definition of a loser is literally; a man facing difficult circumstances, and starting to give in/up. I remember the time I was in group therapy, and I had an emotional breakdown. I felt utterly hopeless and could hardly function properly. After it was over, my female therapist put me aside, not for personal advice or for disrupting the meeting, but to basically rant at me, literally calling my feelings bullshit. Like, I couldn't even attend a therapist without getting nagged in my most …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 07:52 PM
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Women date assholes with good social skills who kinda-hate women all the time. Just look at the black community - even Tupac knew blacks become thugs because women love thugs. And when these men don't commit, women raise their children in single mother households, decreasing their kids life outcomes in all fields. Of course, women will never take responsibility for this. Playing word games now. Women still value status far higher than men. Do men have standards? Yes. But they are very different …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:45 AM
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No man is claiming it is. But you are using one example among the totality of men's actions. In the past, men would control other men's worse nature, but women called that patriarchy. Meanwhile, women will label tales of rape and submission to power romance stories. I
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:36 AM
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You seem skeptical of hypergamy in the post. It is important because you are trying to pin guilt on men, when women cause far more damage to society than men because of their mate choice. Further, disloyalty isn't hypergamy. Hypergamy specifically refers to status. When men leave dying chemo patients, its cause she just ugggggggly. Also. I do not disagree that it is disloyal or a bit mean to leave. I just don't care. I am on #TeamMen, not #TeamSIMPfortheladyfolkuntiltheyseeyouasahumanbeing. If a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:21 AM
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Nobody is denying the damage of horndogism of men. It is women who refuse to say their hypergamy has any consequences. If women are the more "romantic" sex, then we will be forced to conclude rape and money are romantic, as that's the basis of their romantic fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 12:06 AM
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First of all - one niche instance of female loyalty doesn't change the facts of women as selectors, women preferring signals of high status, and women initiating most divorce. Men leaving when women are sick doesn't change women's fantasies for a werewolf pirate CEO billionaire who's kind of a dick. Secondly, why should feminists care about this stat at all? Marriage is just a patriarchal institution meant to restrain women. Men are not entitled to a woman until death do them part anymore. So I …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 11:04 PM
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Police brutality is disproportional towards men, especially certain groups of men, because men, especially certain groups, are the most brutal. Frankly, it would greatly benefit men if cops were 100x more brutal to these "men". Imagine hating men, but going to the bat for drug-addled robbers of pregnant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 02:37 PM
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I would contend that most men do not know that they need to keep gaming their wives, as women do not want to explain their needs to men, and men do not need game themselves. They believe in their happily ever afters. Maybe we're just stupid, but the idea that everything we've ever built in a relationship is free to collapse as soon as we stop gaming our wives is a strong Red Pill. It does make women's divorces seem frivolous when compared to the damage they deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:12 PM
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You've mistakenly bought into the feminist framework, and believed their word at face value. Women are not creeped out by the male gaze. They're disgusted by the BETA gaze. An Alpha can look over every piece of her body and treat her like a piece of meat. A beta will elicit extreme reactions for just a single glance. After all, a beta who's interested in her is threatening to spread his weakling seed onto her children. None of these feminist principles apply to Alpha Males. Women have no problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:02 PM
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Firstly - I have yet to see any evidence that romantically unsuccessful men all demand top-tier beautiful women. I'm kind of going soft MGTOW right now, but when I was more hopeful for permanent pair-bonding, I imagined dating an approximate looksmatch that I was attracted to, not the 11 out of 10 Stacey. To shoot for less than that would lead both me and her disappointed. "Well babe, you're not what I was looking for, but aren't you happy I settled for you?" Actually, that's kind of how women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:47 PM
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This is misunderstanding hypergamy. Firstly, when it comes to only looks, women are only attracted to the very topmost percentage of men. Men prefer the hottest women, but they are attracted to a much wider spectrum of women. But this presumes that hypergamy is mainly about looks, when it really is about the totality of a man being better than her. Higher wealth, higher social status, heavy musculature, the ability to attract other women. Most people are ignorant of the importance of these thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 02:52 AM
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This is the female gaslight on hypergamy that frustrates me to no end. Women: "OMG, you think we're hypergamous? What a bunch of misogynistic manchildren." Men: "Okay, here is indisputable prove that women like high status, powerful men." Women: "LOL not our fault you're low value men. What a bunch of misogynistic manchildren." Well, yes, it does hit me hard. Learning love is heavily transactional was not what was taught to me through most of my life. It isn't even a thought that comes to me nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 02:04 AM
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Well, first of all, women are never honest about their hypergamy, so it hits men like a sledgehammer that women will always be more attracted to fuckboi Alphas than romantic Betas. Secondly, one of the hidden assumptions about the sexual revolution was that it would give men more access to casual sex, or at the very least it would not change their success. Instead, women are now more likely to give what is most valuable (their sex) to the high value Chad with the least romantic investment. Bumbl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:41 AM
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Over 300 confirmed kills.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 10:59 PM
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Lul, why did you try asking women in the first place? "Fish, would you still be on my hook if I teared up on ya?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 12:35 AM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 05:27 PM
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Yes it is unrealistic in that it's not how romance works, but do you think it misrepresents how men love or what they want out of women and what they want to be valued for? I actually don't think so. Just because there is a duality between horndogism and romance in men, doesn't mean either is unimportant. In fact, the romance is his highest ideal, the sex merely a need to fill as it rises and falls. The stories that give him the most meaning are about love, not sex. Also, who doesn't want to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 05:19 PM
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Women will always find the male romantic fantasy difficult to relate to or disgusting. If he images a woman coming to his aide to bring inspiration to his melancholic life, he wants a "manic pixie dream girl". "How dare he not care about a woman's own ambitions! He should put women off the pedestal." If he saves the girl in the end, then that's the "male power fantasy." "We're not your damsel in distress looking to be saved, men!" The problem with these fantasies, that feminists are too dumb to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 04:55 PM
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Based. Everyone, including women, would be happier if women didnt make money.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:21 PM
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Hot - Dominant - Rich. You must choose two.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:03 AM
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One of the countless consequences of thinking of man as a rational instead of natural creature is that weight issues are seen as a failing of the individual instead of the failing of human nature. "If only he tried a bit harder! Oh, I know, I'll post another funny meme making fun of fatties. That'll show him!" Well, you can pat yourself on the back for posting on Fat People Hate, but you have accomplished nothing to stop this full-blown epidemic from raging on. This isn't to say I'm a fat advoca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:01 AM
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While I agree that we are raising boys ill-prepared to prosper in society as men, I don't think there is anything we can collectively do about it. Men's Rights is "negotiating attraction" on a meta level - it fails just as much to inspire sympathy for women as a collective as it does to inspire attraction on an individual level. Women have demands towards society, and if boys get lost in the crossfire, its their fault anyways. Solutions will only come from other men, and given we don't have an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 12:10 AM
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You're thinking the romantics are realists. It is only a fraction of what we ultimately desire. We want a partner who is with us through the thick and thin. Women want a partner who chokes them and gives them cash. If you disagree, then name a male romance story that is both as sexual and popular as 50 Shades of Grey.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 08:07 PM
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Princess Bride is an action-comedy film.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 06:14 PM
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Men are the romantics pretending to be realists, women are the realists pretending to be romantics. Women may enjoy validation and gifts from a beta male, but her ultimate fantasy is to be fucked raw and hard by an Alpha who ignores her Nos. Men may enjoy round after round of casual sex, but his ultimate fantasy is to be with an affectionate woman who loves him as he is. Men's romantic fantasy is The Princess Bride. Women's is 50 Shades of Gray. Which is better? Well, which would you rather show…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:06 PM
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The biggest problem people have with The Red Pill is not its core facts and philosophy, but because they're really, really mean and make some outrageous claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:49 PM
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I think all that and sex are valid needs. But I am not going to try and trick women into something that they clearly don't believe. You either care about a lifetime of loneliness in others or you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:39 PM
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To a degree, yes. I am not asking women any action, even foodie calls and literal financial exploitation. All I ask is that women to acknowledge male loneliness is a valid problem. For most women, even this is far too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:29 PM
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I have in fact pointed out this contradiction about 2 years ago in my history. I recognize that pumping and dumping sucks for women. But saying so isn't going to get women to reciprocate. So men might as well get some action. Sucks, but business is business.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:19 PM
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Then men will have to find them from other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:42 PM
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And women will never recognize that men have social and sexual needs they struggle to fulfil.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:37 PM
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Yes. Women want their men in life to be an emotional tampon while she screws a man who treats her as an inferior. And when men want to emulate that kind of man, women complain about it. Because they do not care about our sexual needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:28 PM
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It is not that a women doesn't like it when men simp. It is that most women, as a collective, aren't attracted to men simping. But women still want men to simp even if it leads them to being lonely. Sounds like entitlement to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:16 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:43 PM
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As said in the past, my problem isn't how women view the Manosphere, or how feminists view men, but how women view men. Women are not very supportive of me irl, and even someone as milquetoast as Jordan Peterson is a misogynist for holding up a clear mirror towards women. If Incels/Red Pill aren't their whipping boy, it was Forever Alone/Seduction communities in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:35 PM
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Yes. You are not entitled to our niceness, and we have other needs to be met. Of course I am going to treat girls who may want to fuck me more than those who don't. Now, I am not full asshole to every woman I meet, but how they view men as selfless human doings instead of human beings makes me lose respect for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:28 PM
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What I am saying, is that feminists think beating the "Patriarchy" will solve all gender problems. But because of women's innate attraction, they will still prefer masculine men, so all smashing the "Patriarchy" accomplishes is destroying the systems that maintained order. So if men are still unattractive to women after the Patriarchy, they'll just blame the men, as seen with FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:24 PM
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Literally just "Yeah, it sucks people aren't attracted to you." Not "LOL you just want to force us to have sex with you."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:16 PM
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I dunno. Seeing a large collective of women actually taking men's issues seriously, and not just to take digs at the "Patriarchy".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:14 PM
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Certainly more than women care about men. Most men start out as simps to women's desires. It's only after realizing how unproductive it is that we go Red.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:11 PM
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If women actually cared about men's struggles and loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:09 PM
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Hope he reads this, bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:51 PM
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Rather be ignorant than gay. Again though, you're free to live you life - nobody stopping you from chilling out at the local gloryhole bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:25 PM
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Or maybe gay people just kind of suck. The queerggot would sooner blame the entire world for his own suffering than spend even a microsecond in self-reflection - that would break his narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:12 PM
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Don't care. You can have all of the high n-count whores you want, bro. Another fun study: Pregnancy is more common among LGBTPADHD teens than their straight peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:50 PM
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As with the typical female shaming tactic, they sweep under the rug feelings of insecurity and jealousy as if they're unimportant things. Well, no, I don't want to deal with them. I'd rather be with a woman I feel stable and certain with, and I have no apologies. You're not entitled to my commitment. Women dating other women is a lot more appropriate because I am not a woman; it is a completely different playing field when it comes to past comparisons, and I don't have the deep-seated fears of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:17 PM
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Theorycrafting - Men get jealous of women having sex with other men. Women get jealous of men romancing other women. In my view, women are more likely to encourage open relationships, and this is because they don't view sexual infidelity too badly. Meanwhile, the men may think they're happy with all this additional sex, when in reality they're slowly brimming with jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:07 PM
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Perhaps so. But feminists did not demand for men to strive to greatness, to be above others and even his partner, but for equality. And since men are not all that attracted to ambition in women, they project their personality onto women, and wrongly assume they are loved for the way they are. This desire for men to do the right thing, even when they are being told to do the opposite, is the epitome of the female "shit test". They do not want to communicate their true desires - they want you to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:47 AM
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I don't find this surprising at all. The difference between reacting aggressively vs indifferently to this woman is the difference between the Red Pill still stuck down your throat vs fully internalized. Turns out, women aren't looking for a best friend when they want to fuck. They want a man with the best genes possible for her children. And considering her already hard physique, her hypergamny is going to be through the roof. By the way, there is nothing anti-Christian about being a dominant, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:33 AM
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Women: "OMG I can't believe you think women are hypergamous! You're a bunch of misogynistic losers." Men: "Okay, here is an undeniable list of studies, evopsych, and anecdotes showing women love men who provide more than they can." Women: "LOL you're low value men who can't provide for us. You're a bunch of misogynistic losers." Women aren't seeking truth or compromise. For the most part, women see non-Alpha men as workhorses, with no needs independent of providing for them and society. Complain…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 01:19 AM
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A. I don't believe in any absolute moral axiom. There are times where it is good for the human psyche to both hate and sexually conquer. "Might is Right", and most of our philosophical problems of today come from the constant ignorance of this fact. Doesn't mean I can't recognize socially inappropriate behavior. B. My problem is not with how people view TRP. My problem is with how women view men. Not how feminists view men, or women view TRP. But how everyday women view men's struggle for happin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:45 PM
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Pretending that external loci of control don't exist or sweeping it under the rug is what gave us the thousands upon thousands of derivative self-help books to begin with. The Red Pill isn't JUST about self-improvement - it is about understanding why you need to improve in those specific ways to begin with. Hence the title of "Red Pill" - it is the understanding of reality as it is, not what we want it to be. Of course, this relates to how we see men as human doings instead of human beings. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:33 PM
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While I agree with the general facts of this post, it isn't surprising that this builds a bad reputation for FDS. If FDS is built primarily for snarky anti-male content, they shouldn't be surprised they are viewed very negatively by men. And I give the same axiom to TRP: If you are going to host content like "Women want to be raped by a high-value man. Title is literal." you shouldn't be surprised when you are labeled as a hate group. You're not entitled to anything, least of all positive opinio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:12 PM
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"Men have valid emotional needs that aren't getting fulfilled in today's society" is as radical idea as Neo Nazism, Mormon fundamentalism, or flat Earth theory. We are only seen as human doings, not human beings, and frankly, it is easier to convince women their crystals have magic powers than otherwise, especially when they are responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:19 AM
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If most men fully understood that equality makes women's pussies dry, I think you would see at least some return of traditionalism, although gynocentrism is eternal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:56 PM
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Should be up higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 10:02 AM
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Marriage is "until death do us part", not "until Chad do us part". The problem is not no-fault divorce, but divorce itself. Divorce should only be allowed after infidelity, with no goodies to the violating party. Deadbeat moms and dads should have their wages almost entirely garnished.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:32 PM
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I think the answer to this is in the fembots themselves. In all of human fiction, how many tales have men building strong, independent, feminist robots? Even the chicks with missile launchers and laser guns are almost always young, feminine, and submissive. How would a feminist explain, for example, Blade Runner's Joi? She's everything feminists despise - a literal object built to fulfil man's sexual - and even worse, emotional - needs. They can only frame the relationship as consumer Capitalist…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 03:13 AM
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The big problem is that we can't get deep emotional connection from women. In terms of what we like, how we think, and even how we see our relationships, men and women are defined by difference. Not acknowledging this has led to the complete gender chaos we see today. So we might as well at least have sex. In fact, a woman's infatuation for you can lead to a very intense connection overlooking your incompatibility - just a shame it can break at a moment's notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:39 AM
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It is best to maintain plausible deniability.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 06:44 PM
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Feminism is the terraforming of our society for the thriving of open hypergamy. "Why, of course I have sex with other men! You're not entitled to my exclusivity. Besides, you left dirty socks on the floor."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 06:35 PM
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There is no reason to. Perhaps to make you feel better about yourself, but TRP is not about setting up a charity. In fact, pumping and dumping is going to hurt women naturally in the process of meeting your sexual needs. Furthermore, female behavior is so abysmal these days, the question honestly should be asked - why should you care about the petty, narcissist misandrist just because she fucks you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 01:56 PM
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No, because that would imply women are funny at all. Men ARE funny, women ARE NOT funny. Most of their shtick we call humor is just gossiping, gross-outs, and snark. Reason and empathy are essential to be a good comedian, and women have neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 01:40 PM
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IDK. I'm skeptical that 80% of relationships ever formed were COMPLETE disasters. Yeah, not visceral attraction, but enough so they can like each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:54 PM
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Women are only viscerally attracted to the Top 20% of men. For the rest of the 80%, they cannot win by appealing with their sex appeal, but by appealing to HER narcissism. Take her out on dates, give lavish gifts, full-body loving massages...then MAYBE she won't kill your bedroom. This narcissism also leads women to complete cluelessness about male sexuality and their gender role (see women's complaints about "the male power fantasy" and "objectification").
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:33 PM
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Baby killers don't have the ability to regret killing their babies. If they did, they wouldn't be baby killers in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:45 PM
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I find their behavior and view of the world repulsive. And even then, I just give them what they give me back. If I am not doing things that actively hurt them, then you should have no problem I do not wish them any aid in their plight.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:56 AM
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If you are my enemy, then I do not care that those things happen to you, as you act far from saintly yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:50 AM
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I will offer a fair handshake to competitors in the game of life if they acknowledge, yes, our situation sucks. That is the only thing I've asked of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:44 AM
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Not caring about my problems. If women are going to act like my enemy, I will treat them like my enemy. I do not care how many people they were too cowardly to not kill, they are still utterly unlikable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:40 AM
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When standards for women are so low, not killing people is the benchmark.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:33 AM
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If society allowed women to date who they were attracted to, there would soon be no society - just 80% of the women going to 20% of the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:31 AM
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I actually agree with this. As women said, they need men like a fish needs a bicycle, and we should have believed them. The biggest obstacle to our goals really comes from the simps who keep trying to support women regardless of what they have to lose. Things won't get better for men until they advocate for their own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 08:57 PM
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The objective list of Women, in order from hottest to ugliest: Japanese Chinese Hapas White Supermodels Whites Latinas Southeast Asians Indians Middle Easterners Ugly Women Retarded Whites Monkeys Dogs Rats Skunk Apes Blacks
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 10:58 PM
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Women will always be seen as inferior because women are inferior. The best they can hope to do is be mothers. Being a single mother is the ultimate failure for a woman because it shows she has poor mate choice - sacrificing her children's future because she'd rather have fun with an abusive asshole than settle with a stable provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 05:06 PM
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If you don't care, then the Incels will just have to try hardER
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 02:41 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 04:57 PM
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Then we don't owe you a damn thing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 03:28 PM
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Probably right. But there is a lie in society that we are not, in fact, transactional. I believe we should be transactional in all things, but suffice to say, a nation run like this would look very different than one perpetually anal about human rights and muh Constitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 03:24 PM
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Same species, different subspecies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 09:47 PM
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Why should we be attracted to your agency? You are projecting what you want in a MAN (strong, independent, dominant) and are shocked, SHOCKED, that they mean nothing for us in a woman (submissive, kind, supportive). If women had complete agency, they'd all be dating 9/10 Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 07:40 PM
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There's a difference between femcels and FDS?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 07:37 PM
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Those who give no sympathy get no sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 07:35 PM
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Then I suggest describing to each black man you date how much you love the white cock, so you can make sure they aren't reverse racist or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 07:30 PM
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Race mixing is cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 06:11 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:31 PM
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This. Chad has blood pumped with testosterone + a lifetime of validation on his side. Why would he need to be angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:07 PM
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Of course a Delta would think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:04 PM
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Men are forced to use their bodies during wartime. Therefore, women should be forced to use their bodies during wartime. And I'm not talking about combat. #ComfortWomen
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 03:45 PM
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Coolio.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 03:31 PM
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Not sure if you are sarcastic or not. It's not that you need to love yourself before you can love others, but others wont love you until you love yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:01 PM
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Woah. W O A H. Holy shit! I'm cured! Thanks man! I've never even thought of that!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:03 AM
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I didn't say he did. I was talking about u/veradreer .
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:00 AM
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There is no reason to believe that you would spare my faults from the same degree of parody as you do to other men. It would be an uphill battle to make sure you do not think I "just want Stacey". How much am I allowed to feel bad before you write it off as "whining forever"? Not shit I want to deal with. Those who refuse to give empathy to others will get nothing from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 03:18 AM
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See, I have no desire for your further advice because you don't remotely understand the situation. You will just write off my insecurities and faults as "just wanting Stacy" (never been true) and "whining forever" (sorry for being born depressed). What you really want is for me to pick myself up by my bootstraps, ignore reality, and solve my problems myself. And when I fail, like other times in the past, you will just give me more platitudes and shaming. The only person's company I'm interested …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 03:00 AM
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Well, then the situation becomes "Keep searching for people who accept you, but don't expect it." At the very least, I would like people to understand this is a pretty brutal life prospect. But on here, even the idea this is a hard thing to deal with is a topic of extreme debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:41 AM
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I don't even disagree with you. But growing up, I was taught to find people that DID understand my illness and were willing to take on some of that burden. Now people say that it is unfair and bad of me for expecting that. People just want to send you to therapy and hope it magically cures you of your problems. Well, I've been in therapy for over a decade, and it does not. I am cursed with mental illness, and if it pisses people off for them to deal with it, then I won't deal with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:31 AM
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I think you'll find a surprising number of posts like the one above, more focused on the humiliation of the depressed than actually helping them out. And if it is such a burden to people, I would have preferred to be taught that by society instead of dishonest acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 01:08 AM
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People are a lot more tolerant of depression in theory than dealing with it in person. I prefer not talking about it at all now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:44 AM
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LOL. But the situation looks more like this: Years later, the Good Man had indeed made it big and was enjoying the fruits of his success. He ran into Becky, Stacy, and Angelica. Becky was a single mother with a baby daddy in jail. Stacy had contracted an STD. Angelica was a junkie. "Who will woman up and marry me?" the Good Man asked. "Not I," said the three women with a smirk on their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 11:11 PM
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Me: "I suffer from depression." Society: "Damn, that's a shame. Don't you wish we spent more on mental health care? We'll try to be more accommodating of you in the future." Me: "It also affects my relationships with women. They don't seem too attracted to it." Society: "Well OF COURSE they wouldn't be attracted to you! What did you expect, a pity fuck? We're not responsible for your happiness. God, quit complaining already." Me: "...Thanks."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 10:14 PM
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Her: "LOL! Stupid gross manbabies who think they're owed sex! You should just stop wallowing in self-pity and be confident. You'll get no sympathy from me uvu Her Landlord: The rent's due tomorrow. Put out or pay out bitch. Her: "OMG I cant believe this is happening to me! Misogyny! Misogyny! Help me! HELP ME!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 02:54 PM
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Industry needs more regulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 07:49 PM
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Women are human beings, men are human doings. To imply that a man is anything other than a hyper-agent actor is as transgressive as putting a wig on him and calling him a woman. So you can post two dozen studies saying, yes, looks = personality, women aren't attracted to short men, etc, and she will debunk it with one clever anecdote. It is as hopeless as going to the middle ages and passing copies of The God Delusion. Faith > Facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:30 PM
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"All people who disagree with me are psychopaths."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 04:15 PM
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What you call "better tendencies" is for the most part just slave morality. Sure, you may SAY you want peace on Earth and proclaim the love of man, but you will then swear the nastiest of obscenities under your breath to those who oppress you. People may TALK about the rights of man, but wen they are in political power, will bomb some third-world shithole without a second thought. "Higher sensibilities" only apply when you give altruism to people you enjoy, or directly benefit you. Neither of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 02:31 AM
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Of course. All people enjoy inflicting humiliation and the suffering of others. But most only limit themselves to a few particular groups - their enemies, the ones they were told to hate, men who are stronger and more successful than they are, or men utterly beneath them. When you inflict the same humiliation to them, or one far more expertly executed, then they will bitch about the rights of man or the alleged evil of the act like the born cowards that they are. I say grow above them, above mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 02:10 AM
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Shit, you're right. Guess you'll have fun chilling out in a "Yay Black Guys!" shirt at the next interracial gang bang.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 11:19 PM
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No, you just don't understand Kin Selection Theory, probably because it is a live hand grenade to liberal worldviews. Where social organisms will take on sacrifice because relatives of the group share more genes with the organism than the out-group. A man will feel disgust at a white woman with a black man, because his subconscious understands genes that are not his will now have resources expended by the tribe to sustain it. Meanwhile, he may feel little shame with race mixing himself because h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:29 PM
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You are applying a biological truth of what men desire to an ideological method of control. White Nationalists may strive for men to marry only white women, but white man's nature is to spread his genes. He may lean towards white women, but the idea of sexual conquest is far from unquestionable to him. That is the first and foremost truth, and does far more to explain the world the sociological ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:49 PM
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Of course. I am not against competition. But I also have no need to apologize for my ancestors rightful indignation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:29 PM
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Actually agree with this. The big problem is that people forget the origin of morals and make false beliefs, or refuse to uphold those morals and expect society is just going to be fine and dandy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:18 PM
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Fairness doesn't exist in nature outside of temporary alliances. The only fairness is if whites only dated whites and blacks only dated blacks, and that could only by enforced by societal and legal power.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:12 PM
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Of course. And why should it be otherwise? Why should masculine men, concerned about their collective people's genes passing on to the next generation, cheer you on for diluting their gene pool? And why shouldn't these same men add a bit of their own genetic material to a population too meek to protect its women? Hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is only a consideration of the slaves. When the Master tells them not cheat, but the Master cheats anyways, the slave is mentally incapable of comprehending it in h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 06:57 PM
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Cursed are the pitiful for they shall receive no pity. -Ragnar Redbeard, "Might is Right" This is the typical abusive personality I find is usually lurking underneath the average man, especially those who pretend to be moralists for some cause. It is not that the morals are actually desirable - all people want to humiliate and destroy their enemies. Morals really are either constraints imposed by Masters to control the slaves, or used by the slaves to stop the Masters from beating their ass. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 06:43 PM
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Rape is the most common one and at most it is 20%. And the vast majority of men would want this man harshly punished. I would even support the death penalty for confirmed rapists in an ideal world, although your very same left-wing politics would consider this "inhumane". But even if we had a magic witch wand to kill off every rapist who ever raped, you would still be unhappy, because we needed to use that wand to begin with. So there is nothing men can do because they were born with the origina…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 06:21 PM
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FDS is such a confirmation of Red Pill Truths that I've even heard it speculated that it is a stealth-OP by TRPers to funnel more men into their quarantined subreddit. But I don't think this is true. The nastiness of Tumblr is truly infamous, and r/GenderCritical is so hostile, it makes people sympathize with the literal bottom rung of non-criminal society. What we are seeing is simply what happens when left-wing women realize The Blue Pill is built on nothing but ideology. It fails to take acco…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 06:07 PM
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You are probably not going to be raped, child molested, pimped, trafficked, enslaved, or murdered in a first world country - because a coalition of men has decided to give men who do that severe penalties. But as said, because men have the potential to do that, you subsequently blame all men, even when most do not do these acts. The only solution is for men to not exist. Radical feminists hate men, then look for reasons to justify their hatred. Misogynists loved women, but were forced by reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 05:08 PM
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For almost your entire list, you list crimes committed by men that other more numerous men will punish by force through the criminal justice system. Warcraft and nuclear capabilities are not even bad because they are requirements for the State to sustain itself. There is a study that's shown female European monarchs were 27% MORE likely to wage war than their male counterparts. Are you now going to admit women are even more evil than men in this instance? This is why RadFem critiques ring hollow…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 03:51 PM
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Whenever a misogynist correctly describes the aggregate undesirable behavior and general incompatibility women have with men, the response is never to dismiss the claims or show the deep, hidden strength of women. This would be impossible, as the claims are correct and women are naturally inferior. So instead, the defenders can only respond with dumb snark. "Who hurt you? 3.5 billion people can't all be bad! WOMEN ARE PEOPLE TOO!" None of these address the inherent problem of female nature: that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 02:57 PM
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I interact with women on a day-to-day basis just fine. Only difference is that I don't talk to them about any serious issues, and don't take their own too seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 02:29 PM
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The State. I would say it would be relatively stable, although you can adjust numbers to, say, select for soldiers during wartime, or focus on intellect during peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 08:56 PM
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Low quality people will be paid a stipend to not have kids/get sterilized. High quality people will be paid a stipend to have as many kids as possible. Middle/High quality people get a hefty tax as long as they remain bachelors/bachelorettes. No child support without marriage, but the state will mandate shotgun marriages for the knocked up. Men and women are educated in separate classrooms and under a completely reformed system - less time in school, less homework, more time properly socializing…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 08:09 PM
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I'm not an MRA. To me, one of the best philosophies introduced by The Red Pill is to put your own needs over others. Women do not care about our issues. So I will support my own group regardless if we are equal or even if we have it better. For example, I want masculine men in video games because I am a man. I want women to be subordinate and sexy because I think the strong, independent leads are unattractive. I don't want equality, I want what I want. If explosive over-reactions from nerds keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 02:29 AM
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Hey, cool it there with the antisemtic remarks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 02:16 AM
1

This is just the typical word game minutia The Blue/Pink Pill uses to address TRP talking points. For example, if we say parents love their children unconditionally, you will point out "But what if he was a PEDOPHILE! Still conditional love!" That doesn't detract from the point we are trying to convey, that parents will love their children even if they suffer from many failures. Women's attraction is based on a long series of performance tests that, if a man fails at even one, can kill all attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:19 PM
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We say men should only interact with women for sex and reproduction not because men only want sex and reproduction from women, but because they will not get the intimate and platonic bonding from her, due to the aforementioned conditional love (can't show weakness) and lack of shared interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 10:25 PM
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More unconditionally. Status, job, wealth, confidence, physical and mental health, etc are all signals of success that men care far less about than women. Even when it comes to sex, men still enter and get more happiness from marriages that often give them less sex then when single. Yes, men do care about looks and sex, but these are far less likely to change overtime, while men can lose their job tomorrow, and quickly lose attraction from their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 09:27 PM
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I like this analysis, especially when you look at which direction the gender is looking. With men, we are looking at the positives. Has this guy done something or acted in a way that will make me like him even more? With women, they are looking at the negatives. Has this guy done something or acted in a way that will make me despise him? It is confident vs neurotic, Master vs slave thinking, and explains the "Light Switch Effect" that hits men seemingly out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 04:26 PM
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There are two problems with admitting hypergamy without shame. First of all, you fail to account for the potentially disastrous societal effects of sledgehammering your relationships solely because they weren't "good enough". The biggest one would be single motherhood - a woman can potentially get more money from the welfare system alone than when she is married to the child's father. Not only is this morally nauseating, but single motherhood is know to decrease basically all positive life outco…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:56 PM
1

These are just the normals who do the grunt work for cash payment. They are not the primary influences of the field, and have the same faults every other woman has. No matter how many women play in orchestra, all my favorite musicians are still men, and I still would expect them to be as daft and petty as any other woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:26 PM
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At this point, I mostly care about understanding the world and beauty. Women do not understand the world, do not make our lives easier on this Earth, or produce things that are beautiful. Perhaps a handful do, but for every one you point out, you are ignoring the works of dozens of great men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 03:49 AM
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Don't agree with him on everything, but when he's right, he has some of the best hot takes. Can be a bit aggro thou.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:55 AM
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1) Especially so in a romantic relationship, but for the most part outside of it as well. Everything I care about in the world has been done by men. Women might make as much money as men in some job fields, but women have done or thought nothing to change my ideas. 2) 50-50. Sometimes they at least get along with each other, but many times there is just frustration just waiting to boil over. And the stability of friendships is something that should never be traded away. 3) At the moment, only fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:52 AM
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And I don't believe men who say they have female "friends". From my experience it's that they actually have are female acquaintances that they are friendly with. Truth that hits you like a bag of bricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:44 AM
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Women are free to do so. In fact, because of their high demand, they might not see any consequences for their actions. All I know for certain is that I would refuse to date a woman who gave Chad the sex and me the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:42 AM
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Often, the guy who is the "pretty boy" type grows up into the masculine type. Just look at pics of Zac Efron then vs today.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 02:38 AM
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In an ideal world, both sides would contribute equally to the relationship. However, sex dynamics cause frustration that prevent each other's needs from being fulfilled. Women want men to constantly woo them, while men never enjoyed the wooing to begin with. Men want emotional vulnerability, but women find that disgusting. Men love more unconditionally, women love more conditionally. If they try to be equal, both sides are forced to do something they don't want to do. Hence the importance of gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 11:16 PM
1

The possibility of true oppression over men by women is impossible. Men are stronger and braver than women, and if women tried to restrain their rights in a completely one-directional way, the only thing that would be protecting them is other men. Most of what is thought as virtue in women is actually just female weakness. You can play all the word games you want, but I have no respect for the malignant who are too weak to get what they want. I have far more respect for the stoic king, pillager …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:49 PM
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Primarily, they find all of men's issues are either super secret stealth misogyny or pathetic, since the man should be strong enough to solve them himself. Sometimes TRP goes too far, but at least we acknowledge women's very real issue of their ticking biological timebomb and need for high value males. That's why r/RedPillWomen exists. But since left wing women have no sympathy for my issues, I have no sympathy for theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:29 PM
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A Master looks at the slaves as beneath him, but too low for him to wish active ill-will. A slave thinks the Master is actively oppressing them. They want to BE the Master. "Equality! Equality!" And until that is accomplished, they are forced to wallow in resentment. I don't care if FDS thinks they are misandristic or not. Their behavior is absolutely grotesque. They can wallow with their own problems. Likewise, I don't care if TRP is misogynistic. We do not have to pretend women are equal when …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:08 PM
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Doesn't matter, had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:52 AM
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The fact that they term it "emotional labor" is proof enough that what men find as intimate and assuring is seen by women as exhausting. I don't want to be in a relationship where my depression causes her to be less attracted to me, and her loss of attraction to me makes me more depressed, and my depression causes her to be...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 10:43 PM
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There is a difference between being a high quality badass who doesn't respect her vs a mental nutcase. For example, this study suggests antisocial personality disorder gives people an early advantage, but causes decline overtime due to comorbidity with other disorders. ADHD also seems to cause a lot more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 10:38 PM
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As much as people try to push "neurodiversity!" these days, the simple fact of the matter is that mental illness is not attractive. I know this is not a perfect metric, but here's a graph of people's fertility decline by mental illness. Not that it should be otherwise - what mother would want to harm her children by giving them pain that lasts a life time? But unfortunately for me, this makes having a serious intimate relationship with a woman, or even just having a good friendship, essentially …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:35 PM
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Outliar.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:45 PM
2

When you are so Red Pilled, most do not even see you as a viable option.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:11 PM
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Men just don't seem to care that much about these things. Men are women are different. And emotionally, yes, there will come a point where you are such low genetic stock, women will feel violated when you lie to them about these issues. You're trying to cheat the system, then bitching that women feel disgusted by your manipulative strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:08 PM
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Staring at each other's eyes now is a contest for dominance? Even if your bitter assumption were true, most women enjoy dominant men. Just because you don't like, doesn't mean millions of women aren't fantasizing about a Christian Grey in their bedroom. There is nothing wrong with being proud of doing good for others. This is what women will never understand about the "Male Power Fantasy" - men really love the idea of being extremely competent AND useful. That we have superpowers that outmatch a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:57 PM
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You can't do that, because that's RAPE BY DECEPTION. And for once, I'm kind of not being sarcastic. Deep down in her subconscious, she realizes every sexual encounter could bring about childbirth. Imagine thinking you were going to be blessed with a strong stock of kids, only to realize they are just average - what a let down! But it'd be even worse for the 5'8'' man who pretends to be 5'10'' - that sneaky bastard has actively harmed her and her children by tricking her to fuck below her SMV. At…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:34 PM
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This is a common idea in the circles I'm in that I have seen discussed. The idea is that men are repulsed by/unattracted to women themselves, and that this is why we see such a disgust reaction over the female body in normal situations. Men are absolutely obsessed over the female body, and the lines of poetry dedicated to every part of her, stacked on top of each other, would form a skyscraper city the size of a country. The claims of "disgust" you are talking about are made by ugly feminists wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:06 PM
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I understand that women have problems. I'm sure they deal with the same types of unhappiness as many others in modernity. I just don't care about them. Women for the most part are not capable of virtue - what is mistaken for kindness from them is really just social conformity from beings without power and agency. So a women who is suffering from loneliness doesn't find loneliness to be an issue - but because loneliness is affecting her. That very same woman would be laughing at men for their lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:37 PM
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By not showing any signs of sexual interest towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:12 PM
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While I'd say most are aware of men's exploitive nature, I would say that the number of women who understand what drives a man and how we see the world and our relationship to others is close to 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:45 AM
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Based. But I do believe morality, to a degree, is good in-of itself, and would not go so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:20 PM
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So if it WERE legal, you would endorse it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:12 PM
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What is the valid reason for not taking advantage of a sub-18 year old who doesn't consent if you can get away with it? FoR iT's OwN sAkE is, as you said, slave morality pussy shit. So why even have an issue with pedophilia beyond personal self-interest? As usual, the Nietzschean, amoral master folds almost immediately to any suggestion of using force. It's just LARP and rejection of authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:05 PM
3

The best of humor always has an element of truth in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:47 PM
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Is having daughters the ultimate cuckoldry? I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a daughter. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a girl for at least 18 years solely so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little girl - reading her stories at bedtime, making her go to sports practice, making sure she had a healthy diet, educating her, playing with her. All of it has one …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:36 PM
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She becomes neutral to me. Not attractive, but not hated for being so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 10:48 AM
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From "observing their behavior", we've found that women have no idea what they want. The fish does not know why it caught the bait, and will then say it didn't like the bait anyways. You do not have medical records of female distress, writings on the woe of women, or mass revolts of women against their patriarchal oppressors because they did not mind their oppression all too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:33 AM
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Then we might as well call feminism a religion. It does not collect data because it is not interested in data, but ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:19 AM
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And, as usual when confronted with Red Pill truths, women always resort to snark. Because their arguments stem from emotions, they can only seek victory by appealing people's emotions, like through shaming. But that isn't working as much lately...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:18 AM
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Working the fields by the house and things inside of the house is still housework. It is just the maintenance of the household that offers no status in of itself. But this isn't the core of our attraction to women, which is why stay-at-home moms were still ideal when technology was introduced. Economics just don't allow this to be possible for many households. What I don't want is a relationship that will be capriciously thrown away over the slightest of alleged wrongs. If dirty socks alone are …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:07 AM
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The fact that you can only respond in snark proves that no such data exists and that you are a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 12:07 AM
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Men want women to work full-time Female projection. Men are not hypergamous, and were fine with women staying in the household for thousands of years with few complaints. Then automation came along, doubling the workforce and halving the incomes, so they were forced to accept women working full-time. And whenever a traditionalist tries to argue otherwise, you label him as a misogynist. and then do their laundry and clean up after them and cook for them while they watch TV. While I do believe men…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 12:02 AM
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Point A - It has yet to be proven by feminists that the period of pre-sexual revolution society was an utter hellscape for women. I am sure they can find a few snippets from women in the past who SAID they felt oppressed, but feminists have thus far been unable to quantify this unhappiness with actual data. In fact, some studies indicate women's happiness has been on the decline since the 1970s, especially relative to men's. The idea of compromise shouldn't be so impossible to imagine. Point B -…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 10:21 PM
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That's fair enough. But a lot of us became Red Pilled not because of the minutia of the details, but the fundamental argument if love was more unconditional or conditional. Which is not to say that we believed we could do anything and maintain the relationship, but that we thought there was relative stability instead of constant struggle to display value. You knock down money, market value, and status as less important...but not only does it fit very well into the transactional nature of love yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 01:44 AM
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You cannot negotiate attraction. In fact, by having to ask "What can I do for you, honey?", he is acting like a beta male - Alphas already KNOW what to do, and act upon it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 04:26 PM
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If we can't ask her sex, and she doesn't ask you for sex, then the only option left is dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 03:41 PM
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That women don't care about men's sexual/romantic issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 01:29 PM
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If you are serious about the whole Christian thing, then I think the best answer to the men vs women dilemma is that relationships were made to form families, not have fun sterile sex forever and ever. This is certainly the tradition of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. St. Paul condemns sex as a necessary evil. And Christ himself dismisses the idea of eternal soulmates with the parable of the wife and seven husbands. Part of the reason why this chaos comes about is because of avoiding sex's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 11:24 PM
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that is: in conjunction with an asshole mentality that is LTR-incompatible, it makes things even worse... [Citation Needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 10:57 PM
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Women find LTRs unattractive. Sure, they may like some serial monogamy, jumping from Chad to Brad, but full-blown, happily-ever-after romance kills attraction. After all, if her Alpha is committed to her and only her...then how Alpha is he really?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 10:52 PM
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I empathize with women's issues because I have a good ability to understand different perspectives. However, I do not sympathize with them because most women will never have sympathy or empathy for men. So the request for empathy for them is entirely parasitic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 08:32 PM
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like in all the books and movies girls read. Haha, maybe you should actually READ what's in those "romantic" books of theirs. Rookie mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:39 PM
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Most men are not aware of the transactional nature of sex. After all, isn't he a "Nice Guy" if he keeps putting in affection tokens and expecting sex in return? For The Manosphere, we understand this, but we don't want to play this game for decades while women hold all the cards. Your advice is also generally disastrous. We already tried being the emotionally available, caring sort of guys. Women just don't find it attractive. Women don't want attention from men, they want attention from an Alph…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 05:46 PM
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"Girls Just Want To Have Fun" is unironically one of the most accurate insights into female psychology ever made.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:28 PM
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"Virtue is rewarded in THIS world, remember. Natural law makes no false judgments. Its decisions are true and just, even when dreadful. The victor gets the gold and the land every time. He also gets the fairest maidens, the glory tributes. And — why should it be otherwise? Why should the delights of life go to failures and cowards? Why should the spoils of battle belong to the unwarlike? That would be insanity, utterly unnatural and immoral." Ragnar Redbear, "Might is Right", 1896
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 05:25 PM
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Men and women should only get hitched together to raise children, and the state should do its job in making this relationship as stable as possible. Any other relationship terms are doomed to failure over time. Remember: child birth is a natural consequence of sex, and all of these bizarre and terrible failings of our culture come when the natural ends are separated from the means.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 07:35 PM
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If women aren't lying, then feel free to point out the font of knowledge where women are Red Pilling men en masse. I find women to be a lot more likeable when they are actually honest about their natures and conform to their gender role. TRP doesn't just teach we were lied to about sex, but they're also critical of women's equality in general. And when you try to compare men and women on equal grounds, its hard to not see women as inferiors who are propped up by society to be seen as equals. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 07:30 PM
1

I'm not an Incel. They are too extreme for my tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:53 PM
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Message: Women are only attracted to looks, and its over if you are short, genetic trash. Also focuses on the complete inferiority of women. To an extent, its just venting that shouldn't be taken 100% seriously. Goals: Coping, Roping, Sexual Redistribution, Trying HardER, Beta Uprising. Making women's lives as miserable as they made their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 04:39 AM
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Savage!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:12 AM
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It’s more likely that the husband stopped chasing after the woman and acting in an attractive manner. This is because men don't really enjoy the chase. Sexually, we just want to start bumping uglies already. Romantically, we believe in loyalty over constant transaction. Sadly, men think "Happily Ever Afters" exist, when really love is a constant struggle. I mean, you could start applying "marriage game", but not only is one of the supposed benefits of marriage removed (easy sex from a loving par…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:00 AM
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I don't want women to be replaced by loving, family valuing, submissive robots. I want women to act loving, family valuing, and submissive, none of which are cold, sterile traits. In fact, these represent the ideal feminine throughout most of history, before women started thinking their crappy photography projects are better than raising a stable, two-person family with a high value, masculine man. Such a nasty movie. I wonder why the movie's director, Ira Levin, would make such a piece? Edit: A…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:28 PM
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I disagree with that personally, due to marriage statistics showing men are happier married than not. But this is mostly a snarky strawman of our ideology than an accurate analysis, primarily due to your personal disgust towards men's issues. Again, you are free to experience the consequences of your actions. Just don't complain when people start acting more misogynistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:19 PM
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So long as feminists don't provide answers to men's issues, the ideas of The Manosphere will continue to grow. And if you are completely confident in your ideas's power over the world, perhaps you don't need to worry about anything. But if you are worried about the rise of our ideas, then you really don't have anything to stop our growth beyond social shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:15 PM
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I mean, I could just as easily say that it is natural for me to grab my battle axe and sink it into my foes, yelling "Why is the suffering of others my problem?" Depression, suicide, and single motherhood are all epidemic issues, and they stem from female mate choice. But, as I say with every other low-agency female - You are technically free to continue mocking men. But don't be surpised when we turn to The Manosphere for guidance. You refuse to change the world yourself, so it gets to be chang…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:04 PM
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Then feel free to experience the consequences of your actions. You refuse to do anything about Red Pill or even Incel Philosophy, so expect the spread of our ideas and impact on the world in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 07:58 PM
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Then where is the disagreement? We both agree that women don't need men, and we both agree that women don't want to give men sympathy or empathy. It seems you only care that our movements will have consequences for yourself. In which case, men should start realizing that they were manipulated into a one-sided relationship this entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 07:56 PM
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You're using such a different definition of "care" in this post that it comes across as willfully disingenuous. We don't want people to just listen to our issues, only to dismiss them anyways. Even enemies "care" in that sort of manner. The absolute, very minimum we want is for women to acknowledge men's sexual/romantic issues in a modern world when women no longer need men, and how this kind of sucks. And, as shown here, even admitting that there is a problem, that men have sexual/romantic need…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 07:42 PM
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Then we will turn to those who will treat our desires as something important to us, such as the Manosphere. I don't even disagree that male sexuality as a dark side to it. I just don't have a pacified, equalist version of the world either. But in the past, people were willing to negotiate to incorporate our darksides into something productive for society. Today, women hate the growth of Manosphere sites...but simultaneously do not want to do anything about it. They do not have any sense of agenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 07:08 PM
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This is because we all fundamentally understand that women are not the ones suited for positions of power, status, and responsibility. So when you try to prop up women as one, it delivers a sense of revulsion. I hate Amy Schumer more than Jimmy Carr because when Carr is presented to me, I THINK HE isn't funny. When Amy Schumer comes up, I already KNOW WOMEN aren't funny. Ditto for Anita Sarkisian. While soyboys are detestable creatures, it is a problem of THEIR philosophy. When Anita does it, we…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 06:30 PM
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Like with marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 06:15 PM
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If you don't have a system to force them to do otherwise, they are free to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:58 PM
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You misunderstood my point. My point wasn't "Just be an asshole". My point was "be fit, well dressed, fun to be around and charismatic AND an asshole". We stress the latter point because women and Blue Pilled men keep denying that aggressive, dominant men who don't focus on her emotional needs get the most sex. But it really does seem like these guys were only nice because they thought it would get them love/sex. When I was a kid, I had $20 dollars to take with me to the zoo. But before we left …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:20 PM
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Don't disagree. We used to have a little something called "marriage" to lock the father and mother together. But it seems left-wing women would rather ruin the lives of their children then follow those evil patriarchal norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 05:13 PM
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All I ask for women is to acknowledge we have legitimate issues that are caused by the fundamental ways sexual dynamics are set up. Most women think even this is too much to ask for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:48 PM
1

Making your children more likely to fail in all aspects of life to own the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 04:43 PM
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Two reasons: A. One of man's most primal goals is to be free. In a way, a completely free man is the ultimate expression of power, since no man can control him. When women try to control a man, she is violating his will to power. Yielding to her shit tests doesn't make him happy, and really doesn't make her happy either, because she needed to TELL him, and he OBEYED. B. As seen in this very post, it is almost always paired with shaming. Frustration that he didn't just KNOW what had to be done, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 07:58 PM
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Yes. It is difficult to advocate for equality when women are sexually attracted to inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 07:43 PM
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This, but unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:23 PM
0

If you want to be an amoral, self-interested, Alpha Male badass when it comes to sex, but not so when it comes to your race, government, economics, morals, and all aspects of life, you are just another manipulated degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 06:03 PM
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I suppose you could wind up some Arab Shieks 8th wife You laugh, but back in the 1920s, a romance film literally called "The Shiek" was a great success for its time, and launched its star as one of Hollywood's first sex symbols.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 04:42 AM
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No. Nobody cares about men's issues, least of all their complete opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 08:10 PM
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or collecting plushies High quality woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 08:06 PM
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Question for Women What's even the point of this thread, then? Are we expecting women to be honest about their natures this very one, special time? Did women come up with The Red Pill? Did the fish become the fisherman? Any claim by women should be held in complete skepticism until proven otherwise. They would convince far more of us with studies and statistics than their "lived experience".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:53 PM
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Sex isn't a reward for being good. Then there is less incentive to be good. BP wants its cake and to eat it too. "Don't be an asshole just to get sex because TRP told you...but you're not entitled to sex, I can't believe you'd even THINK you deserve a partner!" Instead of working on traits that actually matter like": being fun to be around , charismatic , dressing fashionable, being and fit and ripped; they jump straight to I'm gonna be a woman beater. Of course those traits are all important. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:29 PM
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I think this just shows how The Blue Pill has no respect for bumbling betas who think being good to others is going to fulfill their needs. That even wanting a single, average woman is far too much to ask for him being an average guy. To ask for something in return for being good to others means they were never nice to begin with - which just means they see nice guys as door mats they can extract resources from. On any other issue, desire for fairness and give and take is seen as natural and jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:30 PM
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It's not just about 20 minutes of exercise with a sticky ending. It is about being desired on an intimate level with another human being, the small moments, the shared ideas, the mutual caring for one another. It is about the status or knowing you are good enough to pass your genes to the next generation. It is working towards a goal in an increasingly disorganized society. Its kind of a big deal. And women on here probably get that sort of backlash you talk about because of their demeaning dism…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 09:35 PM
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This. Although the smarter types stick to arguments like fetal cognitive function and avoiding lives of suffering. The "my body, my choice" arguments definitely seem narcissistic and degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 09:02 PM
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I am attracted to women with tits, therefore women should be attracted to men with tits? Hypocrisy is perfectly fine in a sexually dysmorphic species. And women are free to reject the player if they want to...but it seems like most women are attracted to that archetype instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 08:56 PM
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Biology. On a deep, visceral level, I am disgusted at committing with high n women. No further reasoning is needed for justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 05:34 PM
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Because single motherhood is correlated with crime, poverty, mental illness, education failure, subsistence abuse, promiscuity...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 01:03 AM
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I do believe some problems are fundamental to being a man. That getting people to care about male weakness is like getting women to hate muscular guys. The only solutions I advocate for involve men seizing their own power and working towards their interest, instead of women, society, or either's ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 12:56 AM
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Men shouldn't talk about their feelings because women aren't attracted to that, including the smart, feminist ones. Until society and women reward a man for being soft and sensitive as much as the hard-bodied, high status Chad, liberal gender deconstruction is another false promise, waiting for yet another utopia that's just around the next corner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 11:27 PM
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As I said, there is some overlap. But their framework is based on equality among genders that aren't equal, so their solutions to these problems ring hollow. And for every one of those threads, you have one about fatphobia, transgender visibility, and toxic standards. MRAs are pointless because any of their genuine attempts will either be deplatformed or have zero effect, due to male disposability. And I doubt Men's Lib will make much more progress when traditional masculinity is shown to be unc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 11:23 PM
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Let's do a brief comparison between what Men's Rights vs Men's Lib think are the problems affecting men today. Men's Rights - Feminism, male rape, divorce rape, false rape, double standards, male genital mutilation, pussy pass, suicide epidemic. Men's Lib - Patriarchy, misogyny, bigotry, gender roles, toxic masculinity. While there is a degree of overlap, Men's Rights primarily confronts the issues that can ruin a man's life. Men's Lib thinks the biggest problem is that men act and are treated l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 12:08 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:28 PM
2

The Virgin Peer Review vs The Chad "Somethin in Mah Gut Dun Like This"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:25 PM
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You think women who have a lot of sex are sluts? No. We think women who have sex with a lot of people are sluts. A woman is in fact highly encouraged to have sex...with her partner/husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:21 PM
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I remember reading it when I was in the waning days of my beta bux beliefs. TBP is fun to read when you are an edgy teenager/YA who already believes in their philosophy. But once you start seriously asking questions about sexual dynamics, their snarky remarks make their way back to YOU. Y'know, "Just be a decent person, its not our job to get you laid!" So really, I don't think there is much to talk about in terms of their ideology. There is an attitude among left-wing types that, despite their …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 01:55 AM
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As a man: Yes. We can help women on the way, but if I don't look out for my own group's interests, nobody else will. Does that mean sacrificing women's happiness? A little bit, but I'm skeptical of the idea that women are that much happier without patriarchy anyways, as seen in the decline in female happiness since the 1970s. If women don't know what they want, then maybe men should still be in charge of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 11:29 PM
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The alternative would have been living in the squalor of third world Africa. For that matter, is removal of patriarchy and parity with whites from civil rights worth the complete deconstruction of the black family? The materialist thinks the answers to happiness can all be answered through freedom and cash. But in a world where we have more freedom than ever and certainly more prosperity than our ancestors, I must ask - are we happy? Doesn't seem like it to me. So I do recommend roles and obliga…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 11:20 PM
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I know that women had less rights then. You have failed thus far to show that made women less happy. People can be happy without liberal values, a novelty that has really appeared only in the last 100 years or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:48 PM
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I mean, women sure do complain about a lot of things. Sometimes it's about muh human rights. Other times it's about the way a man holds his legs on the subway, a t-shirt a scientist wears, or air conditioning. So until you show these times were actually as bad as you say they were, I see no reason why to not chalk it up to more female complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:30 PM
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K. But unless you can show this had a significant effect on women's happiness, I am skeptical this was such a huge issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:01 PM
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To be fair, I wouldn't be bitter towards a female murderer if she was addicted to my cock, let alone a normie.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:15 PM
4

Woah. A fistful of Trad Pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 04:59 PM
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Ding ding ding. Relationships were perfectly fine for thousands of years without choreplay. Women are just looking for an excuse to justify why they aren't attracted to their beta male provider. No woman has ever gotten off to her SO doing the dishes. If she actually wants to save the relationship, she'd get him a gym membership instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 04:54 PM
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For women: Realistically: To be honest about their natures and have some sympathy for the plight of men in the 21st century. Unrealistically: To stop wasting their prime years with serial monogamy and education and marry early. Fantasy: For women to be like men - with a wide variety of deep interests, rational over emotional, and attracted to emotional vulnerability. Oh, but not as flakey.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 04:43 PM
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Shouldn’t you have empathy for them? Firstly, men are repelled by sluts. And being nice to them all the time is what got us here in the first place. Secondly, I only give my empathy when it is reciprocal. Women have made it clear they do not care about men's sexual issues. So unless they are atypical women, I do not care about theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:50 AM
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"Hey, liars, can you tell me why you lie all the time?" Stop asking the fish how to catch them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:23 PM
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Except when they give their sex for free and expect Chad to commit. Or run up their n count and don't understand why it ruins their reputation. Or get stuck with a dead-beat dad. Not that this matters anyways. Even if all these men are stupid, we're willing to teach them, while you are willing to shame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:51 PM
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The difference is, men do not complain about women not "getting it", while women complain about it to us all the time. Men like getting to the facts, while women set up a social maze for people to wiggle through. While men to a degree know what is attractive by instinct, societal conditioning and inability to reflect stop us from coming to the truth, and we can't all be evopsych-philosophers. Sure, looks and hobbies are easy to figure out, but if hypergamy, dark triad traits, AF BB, and shit tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 05:31 PM
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Women's attraction to confidence is just another form of hypergamy. For a man to be confident, he needs to be successful - with women, his status, his wealth, etc. The fact all women admit to their attraction to confidence, but not hypergamy, is frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:25 PM
1

Maybe a few would SAY they're slightly less interested in an LTR with a Chad. Maybe. But it doesn't seem to be reflected in women's behavior in the aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 10:22 PM
1

It simply comes down to biology. While we may like screwing high n count women, imagining ourselves committing to one is just disgusting. Meanwhile, neither men or women are disgusted by the high n count Chad. They may feel jealous at his success, or resentful he won't commit, but we are wired to see a high status man who gets all the chicks as even more high status. In fact, many women would find him even more attractive due to preselection. If women didn't want this type of man, they should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 10:03 PM
1

I am not against women taking measures to protect themselves. I am against women disrupting order in society, then wondering why things get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 06:51 PM
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His dick not being sucked will never be an issue...to you. It is an immediate interest to the manosphere. Of course women aren't trophies for nice guys. They are trophies for bad boys. We teach men to be the kind of guy that gets that prize. No need to apologize. Men have an element of rape and murder to them. I am not going to act guilty and meek just because I have these drives. And I will even give much further praise to 1 strong, honorable barbarian than 10,000 soyboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 04:24 PM
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Because fitness is a emperor who wears no clothes. The beauty, the status, "knowing muh physical limitations", and "being muh best self" pale in comparison to relaxing with a juicy McDs in your mouth. Its just not worth the effort for most men, especially due to the addicting nature of overeating. "They're just lazy!" is just a cope by fitness freaks who don't want to take responsibility for their complete failure to stop the world's obesity epidemic. It is a misunderstanding of nature that man …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:15 PM
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I don't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:02 PM
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As shown in studies, disgust is highly associated with holding conservative views and morals, so I few the two as inseparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 01:48 PM
2

The validation that incels and some manosphere guys want is one-sided. They want to be loved but dont want to love others. That is selfish. I've heard this phrase repeated many times, but I've never actually seen that validated. It seems to me that Incels/MGTOWs would love a mutual, loving relationship, but because of their inability or today's social structures, they are unable to do so. It seems more like a strawman to dismiss men's issues with loneliness and society. Rewards shouldnt be the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 12:01 AM
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My point is, you seem to value selfish independence, shaming, and apathy, but when these values come to bite people in the ass, suddenly they are evil people for having the same values you advocated for. If people didn't reward virtuous actions, there would be no reason for people to act in virtue. But then you simotaneously dislike the results as well as the cure. It is just nagging.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 10:58 PM
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Why would you have an issue with monsters? After all, they're just acting like monsters for themselves. Why should monsters need external validation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 09:25 PM
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You're putting in way too much thought into what men just consider to be a pump and dump. "But, what about the contradictions, the complexes, the moral failings? What about..." Doesn't matter, you were just used. Welcome to a sexually free society, enjoy your stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 08:24 PM
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Leave it to Sigmund Fraud to think men hate getting sex from women. We love it when women have sex with us. We just don't like committing to high n count women. What we really want is a Madonna on the streets, whore under the sheets - which doesn't even contradict The Bible, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 07:46 PM
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I didn't say only the left wing does this, but I do think they most exemplify this philosophy. At least Abrahamic religions have traditionalism that works with the grain of biology instead of false notions of equality. You have to take care of your wife and family and avoid vice, but you still have the power of patriarchy. Islam and Judaism especially empathize dominating rivals for the glory of God, even if it takes massacres and oppressions to do so. I just think things like capitalism and rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:34 PM
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"I'm just doing X for myself!" is just narcissism and coping to me. There is nothing wrong with trying to be better to make other people see you in higher regard. And a lot of this comes down to sexual dynamics. If hot women were equally attracted to fat men, or vice versa, I'd imagine gyms would look like ghost towns. As I've said in the past, I do not subscribe to the view that people need to be ashamed to having dark elements to them. It is up to society to either work with these elements (in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:10 PM
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While there's probably many studies I could find that yell out, yes, women like tall men, one of my favorites comes from data from the dating website Coffee Meets Bagel, which has a majority female user base. In a graph literally titled "Women Like Tall Men", the preferences of 5'2'' women are almost identical to 5'8'' women: a steep decline in interest for men as men get shorter than them, and a steady upwards tilt towards taller men until it maxes out. Which is to say, both 5'2'' and 5'8'' wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 05:02 PM
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Personally, my main concern is to convince men to stop acting like feminists, simps, or fence sitters, and fully embrace RP ideas. This place has women often "open up" more than the typical subreddit, so after a few counterpoints, hopefully at least some men give up on their equality fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:44 PM
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Imagine a guy being called a SIMP because he realizes life is more than just sticking his dick into things. He's a simp because he's lying about his nature so he doesn't offend the ladyfolk. Because they're stupid and depressed, but they think sex and hotness will cure their mental health problems (it wont). So men who lift weights and work hard to impress chicks, from getting talented to earning a lot of money, are all depressed? All of the hair dos, the make-up, and the expensive clothes women…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:37 PM
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I would say those men are either already getting plenty or are simps not trying to sound desperate. The mass use of pornography, the constant romance in all forms of art, the desperate lengths men (and women) will go to be sexually attractive - kinda indicate that yes, sex is important. Spinning a dozen plates is an exaggerated ideal, but getting access to more women is a huge positive in men's eyes, and getting anything is very important to the romantically unsuccessful. And as long as feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 03:06 PM
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If a woman won't empathize with my problems, why should I empathize about any of her problems? Empathy isn't as good as getting sex. Nobody is even saying that. But women's complete lack of empathy for men does fill me with complete disgust towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:47 PM
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This is the cucked left-wing outlook on life that thinks morals should come over everything else, and reflects women's complete inability to understand the male situation. Since most men they come across are unattractive to them, sex is no big deal (unless it is with an Alpha). No, volunteering at your local soup kitchen is not the same as knowing you are sexually desired by an attractive woman. Yes, sex is still important regardless of how shallow it is. I am a man, and I refuse to apologize fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:40 PM
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How many times do we have to tell you this? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:26 PM
1

Face vs Frame: The Final Showdown
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:25 PM
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I think society should be rebuilt as a system the maintains order, virtue, and beauty instead of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, which basically amounts to just hedonism. Encourage people to have families instead of meaningless sex, and give low value people meaning beyond relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:07 PM
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This isn't too surprising, because women are only attracted to the Top 20% of men. Intimacy with the average Joe, especially over the long term, is awkward and stale, and causes resentment in a woman. But with an Alpha? Suddenly she seems awfully eager to get down and dirty. TRP tells men to be that guy, not the average schlub that makes his partner feel like a rape victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:06 AM
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1st - It is not a logical contradiction to care about your own individuality while you impose restrictions on others. In fact, I'd say that's highly desirable. It also matters little if only a few individuals are the exception to the rule. So overall, I put little value in individualism as an ideology, beyond people using that freedom to benefit myself or the collective - which just reference self-interest and collectivism. 2nd - And what if my family and friends would be harmed by feminism, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 09:45 PM
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This would be like saying to a guy with no friends that he should just pay guys to hang around him. It is emotionally hollow. Men want to be desired, for their partner to actually enjoy the sex. Not to mention the nonsexual intimacy leading up to sex - physical touch, emotional connection, the shared moments with someone who cares about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 07:34 PM
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Question 1 - Why should I care about the whims of the individual when it does not benefit myself or my group? Question 2 - If I am able to put myself or my group in a superior position over others, why should I choose otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 07:19 PM
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What should a horny woman do? Have plenty of sex with her HUSBAND.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 07:10 PM
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"Wellbeing" = Sterile sex with non-committal Chads? I mean, you do you. Men still seem to be willing to bend over to women's whims. But I would never commit to a woman who thinks like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 07:06 PM
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No outrage here. The only pain a 17 year old dude is going to feel from the encounter is the endless series of high fives from his bros. I would feel the same about a female 17 year old who snags commitment from a high value man, instead of a pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 05:27 PM
1

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 05:18 PM
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I mean, it is a good mindset to have, cause chicks dig confidence, but for most men, this is blatantly dishonest. "Prizes" don't have to constantly try to give themselves away, failing many times with people who don't want them, then get thrown away when a better gift shows up. Women are the prize to the winners. And because of this, we will bend over backwards for them collectivley and individually.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 12:18 PM
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Chad represents the ultimate horror for men: the idea that their girl, who they sacrificed their time, affection, and emotions into, is willing to throw everything for one night with a high status Alpha. We're willing to do anything to avoid this fate, including becoming him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:56 PM
2

Yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 05:52 PM
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Let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. Ephesians 5:33
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 02:58 PM
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Because instead of settling down in her physical prime, she rode the cock carousel and put her career over love and family. It would be like if men consistently spent more money on their girlfriends than their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 01:53 PM
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Your FEMALE SO. Boyfriends and husbands should quit whining, cause they're not entitled to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 01:25 PM
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And I'm saying they're written that way, by the author, to defame pro-natalist authoritarian views - which would be the only way to save their society. I understand what happened in the fiction. But as fiction, you have to ask yourself: WHY did the author allow it to happen this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 08:19 PM
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My point is that it doesn't seem like feminists would be strict pro-natalists on thot patrol if they were faced with the same scenario. They just use such a sterotypically incompetent depication of a far right wing religious organization to then dismiss the idea of it in general, when in reality it would be needed to answer the scenario at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 08:05 PM
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You're commenting on the incompetency of a system made to look incompetent over the merits of the system itself. Yes, there is some unfairness and poor design, but that still doesn't change the fact that, yes, you must actually address the issue of low birth rates, and yes, wanton promiscuity, lesbianism, divorce, and adulatory should all be punished if you want to maximize birth rates while stabilizing the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 07:24 PM
4

This is why domestic self-defense should be legalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 04:50 PM
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I do not hate women who work in the parameters of their gender role, and try to give new people I meet basic human dignity. But I do think the vast majority of women are destined for inferiority. Their hypergamy means it is impossible to show weakness around them, but they themselves are too weak to yield or even advocate for unbrideled power. Man reaches his zenith when he wields both power and virtue together - I don't think most women can excel at even one. And other than child birth, they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 03:12 PM
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I think the book and the show are just to fuel women's narcissism: that any marriage where she isn't 100% happy is literally rape, and having many babies is just a way for the patriarchy to enslave you. Do anyone even offer an attempt at fixing the radically falling birth rate issue from a "feminist" perspective? Or do they not care if the human race dies off, in some antinatalist reverse will to power? Of course, Gilead is painted as an exaggerated and incompetent cartoonish fantasy, but at lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 02:53 PM
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Of course. But why should it be otherwise? Why shouldn't men use religion, ideology, and law to make women act in ways that are best for men and the group?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 04:02 PM
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Lul.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 03:59 PM
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I get that. But it still seems like it is the desired end goal, not spinning plates into your 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 02:32 PM
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A dead woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 11:50 AM
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I mean, you're free to say that, but until you show how the evidence is wrong, there is no reason to believe you, especially when studies from many groups constantly show married men are happier. Reality has a conservative-leaning bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 10:10 AM
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This is acting like casual sex is the end-all, be-all of life. Yeah, it feels great to be heavily desired, but at the end of the orgasm, you are still two people going their own ways in an increasingly disorganized, meaningless world. Hedonism isn't going to solve all our problems, and definitely has its consequences. The idea that marriage is such a burden to men is a PUA cope. All the studies I've seen show not only are married men happier, but men enjoy marriage more than women. In fact, whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 02:02 AM
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This seems to be the most common question on here: although we all understand The Red Pill is a controversial theory that can get you socially ostracized, women still don't understand why we didn't "just get it". One of the reasons why women hate The Red Pill is because we need to be TOLD The Red Pill. A natural Alpha doesn't need to be told; he already knows. And a manufactured Alpha still has the genes of a Beta. But to answer the question differently today - I will just say who cares if we we…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 06:55 PM
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We don't blame women for movies that lie. We blame women because women lie. Unless you are labeled as a Red Pilled Woman, I believe women on here are being dishonest about their nature. So of course I am going to uphold them to their responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 05:12 PM
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I never thought being nice would "get me laid" but I did think I would have more success getting a girlfriend and being nice is absolutely insufficient. This. It is only sterotyped as fat neckbeard incels wanting a 12/10 model to bang because you need intense social shaming of men uttering forbidden truths - that women aren't particularly attracted to men who cater to their needs. As the old saying goes - "Cursed is he who “doeth good” unto others, he shall be despised." -Ragnar Redbeard, "Might…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 02:52 AM
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Well, yeah, that's what the Red Pill is for. We know women want a winner worthy of respect, and will total her "death do us part" vows over dirty laundry. When they are not complaining about us being misogynists, women on here complain about men being weak. Our job is to make sure men become strong, and stop needing women - something everyone but Blue Pill men seem to agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 12:15 AM
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I would generally agree with this. The MGTOW community even has a name for this - Male Mother Need. In contrast, Female Father Need is easier to fulfill, as the father role is similar to the husband role, while the mother role is very different from the wife role. Notice calling a bf "daddy" is almost mainstream, while calling a gf "mommy" is seen as creepy. Of course, if they don't get their proper affection from their father, they can develop the infamous daddy issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:22 PM
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I'm not disgusted fucking that person. I'm disgusted loving that person. To put it bluntly, my dick does get hard to actions that degrade a woman's value both as a partner and as a member of society. It is far from a civilized force. If you disagree with this, then you are free to tell your BFs all about all the different guys you took. Maybe you can lie and say you have taken some gang bangs...after all, how else would you know if your BF is a true respecter of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:37 PM
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To make sure that, once society does burn, it is rebuilt to suit my ideas, even if I have a very small impact. I think that the last 10 years have proven to be a visceral body blow to liberal idealism - for the men on here, all I need is a few pushes in the right directions. I have little hope for the women on here, but I think interacting with them does show others the only way for men to be happy with them is...well, by acting like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 04:07 PM
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It depends on how you frame it. But that's just a moral judgment at the end of the day. You can give me the highest praises, or the worst of insults: I'm still not dating sluts, and I'm still going to watch porn. Do you want your "My Wife Did Gangbangs!" shirt in Large, or XL?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 04:23 AM
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There is a difference between using a woman for your base sexual gratification and actually marrying that girl. Call it hypocritical, but most men would not want to date porn stars. But hey, you do you. The gang bang girls are yours for the taking, trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 04:07 AM
1

These are just opinions, really. Even if you are a very mature individual, so long as TRP is right about attracting women, it is far more appealing than female-friendly alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 10:33 PM
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Well, this is the problem of debating. We are trying to convince men The Red Pill istrue, you already know it's true, but object to us on moral grounds. I cannot side against truth and my own interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 10:15 PM
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As an actual man, of course more sexual attention makes us happy. It isn't the sole end goal, but to dismiss men's need to be desired is asine. Do you even disagree with The Red Pill at all, or are you just angry it benefits men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 09:48 PM
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I mean, do you agree with The Red Pill or not? If you do, then I thought those men attracted women because of their looks, and only a subset of women. It took The Red Pill for my to understand The Prince was liked not just because he was good looking and heroic, but because he was rich and high status - and all women like that to some degree. If you are not Red Pilled, then you are still advocating a dynamic that differs from reality, but still want us to "just get it". I understood the problem …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 09:36 PM
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It completely blindsided me. I never thought women's attraction to men was so heavily based on utility, because it is so opposite to my attraction towards women. But I don't blame myself either. If the truth were common knowledge, we wouldn't even be on here debating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 07:50 PM
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Property ownership and social status signaling, yes. We're not saying if men go without sex, they'll die. We're saying men will work and sacrifice so much for it, it is almost as important to them as food, water, and shelter. And to a degree, it is for women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 03:16 PM
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That's why you need to find Christ, and by cynical about women AND men. 🙏🙏🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 03:10 PM
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If it is not natural, then show me the country whose men have not engaged in rape and pillaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 12:21 PM
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Your orientation wouldn't matter unless sex is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 12:46 AM
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It is a major reason, not the only reason. There are also aspects like family, God, country, and his own morals. But yes, sex is also a major incentive for moral behavior. School shooters and suicide bombers aren't exactly drowning in pussy. Also, if the sex leads to children, the man has personal investment into the future of his society. Just because sex is an important thing does not make it the only thing. You refuse to see this because of your personal vendettas against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 11:13 PM
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Why does it have to be guys? Are you saying you wouldn't love a perfectly matched, 90 year old woman, just because she isn't a guy? That sounds awfully shallow if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 11:09 PM
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Sex is not the only thing, but it is a requirement. I cannot stress the importance of shared intimacy, interests, and chemistry, but sexual compatibility is why the relationship is formed to begin with. Does that mean sex three times a day, every day, for 50 years? No. Does it mean physical and emotional affection, banter, eager attraction, and at least some consummations of love towards one another? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 11:03 PM
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If you do not think sex is important, then you are free to date and marry the kindhearted 90 year old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 10:55 PM
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In terms of War Brides…I mean, I guess you can justify sexual treachery in a "time of crisis". Heck, you can justify ACTUAL treachery in a "time of crisis". But why would any organization based on social cohesion support such behavior? An individual who benefits the enemy at the cost of their own group needs to be dealt with harsh punishment, especially if they partake in the sexual humiliation of a people. Head shaving is more than fair. Although in specific reference to the coronavirus? Not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 10:37 PM
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By virtue of it being romantic love, it is sexual in nature. You are going to love handsome, successful men more than ugly losers, because you are more sexually attracted to them. If sex didn't factor in at all, you'd feel the same romantic love for girls or the young and old. Of course, men want sex more than woman. No doy. But that doesn't mean we're hating you every minute we aren't getting sex, or that there isn't deeper intimacy going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 10:18 PM
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According to you, love and sex are the same thing...so you would have to take a complete wrecking ball to our culture, and start delivering products your consumers don't want. Your best chance would be to return to the old ways, where sex is seen as a evil to a degree, and marriage is primarily for childbirth. Not very passionate, but at least pure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 09:58 PM
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Yet look at how important we all place that love in our life, culture, and arts. I am very aware romantic love isn't the most objective measure of character, but to act like it is that shallow is just complete dishonesty. I don't think you'd tell gays who struggled for their marriage rights "But its just about sex, guys!" In fact, you probably wouldn't even like me for comparing gays to sexually unsuccessful men. Because you know love is more than just sex. Sex is usually a requirement, but it g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 09:38 PM
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If you take issue it, you can take your witch wand and wish all the men away. Alternatively, you can decide to live completely without men. You're welcome for all of the technology and hard labor that keeps your infrastructure running. You can even stage a revolt against men if you're up to that. But until you can live without men, you must deal with men. You can either learn how to make things better for both sexes together, or relish your hatred and make things worse for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 09:22 PM
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Masculinity is an eternal force responsible for the best and worst of humanity. Of course man's strive for greatness does not turn out well for everyone. But any plan based on ignoring it in exchange for equality is doomed to failure. Instead of shaming men for being men, I want society to endorse positive masculinity - strength, confidence in all fields, stoicism, and hierarchy. These cannot be achieved by acting like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 09:09 PM
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Man's instinctive disgust of promiscuous women in-of-itself is reason alone for them to be not interested in promiscuous women. A woman could be a great partner in many different ways - but if she screwed 100 guys before me, I probably wouldn't be romantically attracted to her anymore. While low-count partners can still settle for a sub-par relationship, this disgust reaction simply isn't present. Sorry, but nature is nature, regardless of fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 08:51 PM
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Disgusting? Perhaps. But is that assessment wrong? You would probably agree that there is plenty of male behavior shown throughout history that can be described as misogynistic in nature. But in the face of those thousands of years, your plan is still to transform man into a completely different animal. I simply refuse to be ashamed of who I am. You can either work with masculinity, or against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 08:41 PM
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How does one teach a wolf not to be a wolf? Are the creepy male feminists what you were aiming for? Feminism just can't paint over men's natural drives because its political incorrect. The best way to deal with it is to put it to good use - instead of encouraging men to have casual sex/relationships, encourage them to have families. But we are not saints who will sacrifice everything for the female imperative, regardless of your personal moral judgements.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 08:13 PM
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Personally? Yes. However, I think sympathy/empathy should be extended to all people, to some degree. Otherwise these values lose their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 08:00 PM
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This is just another round of word games that frequently goes on here. Akin to saying "We're not firing our employees! We're just downsizing!" Not really relevant. I would still not be happy with a 30-year-old former Chad Chaser either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 07:54 PM
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Then you'll come on here to complain that the men are acting like assholes. The problem is that society tried putting sheep's clothes on men in the first place. Instead of trying to turn man into the best sheep, we need to turn him into the best wolf.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 06:05 PM
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Firstly, that hardly includes most men on here. Secondly, while I don't think that you should be mandated to have sex with them, it follows that, if good behavior doesn't get them sex, they will be less inclined to good behavior and more inclined to bad behavior. You have your own interests, they have their's.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 05:52 PM
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It is kind of a shock to me that people take so much pride in not caring about other people's issues, especially on Reddit. Why should we like that you have no pity for those who are suffering? What would the world look like if everyone started acting this way? It seems like people care more about holding the right, socially acceptable opinions instead of maintaining virtue. Also - Other than insane Incels, how many people really are saying you should have sex with desperate men? You keep saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 05:27 PM
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I am empathetic towards the plight of women, and encourage them to seek high value men in committed LTRs. I have never blamed women for not putting out or splitting the bill. I just know that this empathy will never be returned by women or society in general, so I refuse to support mainstream gynocentric politics or any degree of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:28 PM
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Financially incentivize marriage for high quality people, financially penalize high quality bachelor/ettes. For true bottom of the barrel men, form a system of meaning heavily supported by the state that gives them purpose beyond material success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 06:45 PM
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u/Ambarino JUST SAID what this means for men who can't attract women - it also means they will miss out on love, intimacy, romance, and connection, which are far deeper needs than raw sexuality (which is why seeing a prostitute won't help them). And that would be fine if you were a Red Pilled Woman who acknowledged that these are actual problems men deal with. But because you hate low status men, suddenly love becomes this very minute thing that only misogynists care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 04:36 PM
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I myself want both. I want women to not selfishly think of themselves as the ultimate end-all, be-all, but society. This does not mean screwing the jobless, genetic trash Incel, but marrying with the intent to produce children. I also want women to understand our situation, because it is a sign of virtue. While men will always want sex, I think living in a less atomized society will reduce both depression and misogyny against women. Saying men don't find empathy valuable is just an excuse for yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 04:31 PM
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As a TRPer (or more accurately, a biological determinist), I believe that this is simply the nature of man, and fighting it is not only impossible, but would be detrimental to the species as a whole (I.E. - Stronger men should be more successful than weaker ones). As much as feminists complain about toxic masculinity, it really doesn't matter so long as women REWARD toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 04:12 PM
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The problem is, our guy friends also don't want to deal with emotionally deep issues either. They to, but to a lesser degree, are status driven and prefer fun times over emotional crisis. But I agree that this is the way forward to improving ourselves. However, the solution to our problems relies on gender inequality (men make better friends for us than women) and masculine stoicism. Feminists don't want to endorse these traits, but simultaneously find themselves deeply frustrated by the men who…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 02:40 PM
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Because women hate low status men. Women consistency refuse to have either sympathy or empathy for male loneliness not because it is a difficult task - all it requires is putting yourself in another's shoes for five minutes. But to the female imperative, a man who cannot provide for himself is useless - especially if the problem directly stems from female behavior. So they will write off the deep existential crisis of loneliness of our modern age as solely about sex, just so they can demonize yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 02:19 PM
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As a man, yes, my group's happiness/contentment and issues should be taken more seriously than women's, purely out of my own self-interest. It probably won't happen due to gynocentrism, but that is my own view. Are men more inherently valuable than women? Well, we do all of the dangerous, dirty jobs, we are responsible for almost all important inventions and significant pieces of art, I naturally gravitate towards male personalities and perspectives, soooo....yes. Except when compared to men's v…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 11:46 PM
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In society, men and women used to have defined roles, and needed each other to survive and be happy. Now they don't, and are free to look out after their own interests first. Because of technology, this situation will remain until a crash in the system or the rise of a very reactionary goverment running on raw trauma. Until then, OP is right. Not that reaching understanding/empathy is so difficult, but because doing so violates the moral justification of self-interest, it will be actively despis…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 09:32 PM
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This is not needed for Red Pilled men because we already know the experiences women go through via logic and research. We just don't care about serving the feminine imperative anymore. It is Blue Pilled women who refuse to acknowledge men's struggles and nature in the 21st century, especially if the trouble stems from women. And perhaps some of them understand, but just don't care about the male imperative (most of it is hateful snark, but radical feminists aren't entirely wrong). Then neither g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 05:28 PM
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I would heavily reward high value men and women who raise a large amount of kids, and if that did not get the results I wanted, I would implement a bachlor/bachelorette tax on high value men and women who refuse to contribute to a system they intend to leech off of. Do you value the happiness of men over the freedom/happiness of women? Of course. Why should it be otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 10:25 PM
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I don't disagree, because I already know feminism is about female self-interest. But then you expect men to support feminism when all it does is serve women and give snark to men's issues. That is a heavy incentive to start supporting our own self-interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 08:27 PM
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This is the most feminine post I've ever seen written by a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:43 PM
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Just be interesting, passionate, and flawless with an important career bro. None of this contradicts TRP, and flies in the face of mainstream advice ("Just be yourself"). Yes, everyone here knows women love confident, successful men. The only problem is getting women to admit it, instead of nitpicking the slightest discrepancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:49 AM
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So in other words, be an Alpha. Don't worry bro, we'll keep teaching that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:11 AM
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This is the male equivalent of "I put on my make-up for myself!"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 12:13 AM
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Well, they are getting more open, but unfortunately it is mostly to serve the feminine imperative. For example, the very same woman who says she likes it when her boyfriend is mean will then shame a man who notes, correctly, that "women like assholes". So instead of coming to an understanding and trying to find the best solution for both sexes, we get the worst of both the worlds of lies and truth - the fake virtue signaling to win social status over her enemies, and the ugly truth of open hedon…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 11:05 PM
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If the only reason men have to live is to have sex with women, then maybe we as a society have deeper problems. Actually agreed with this statement. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:58 PM
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Compromise? What kind of compromise exists between "I don't consent to having sex with you" and "But I want to have sex with you"? You either respect women's right to say no or you don't and you rape them. Examples include giving men a role in society where they can feel important as men, endorsing family creation with the intent of producing children, or even just giving men all they need to be consumerist pigs. Feminism, of course, is not interested in benefiting men at all, except as digs tow…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:44 PM
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That definitely sounds like a post from a woman brimming with sympathy for men. Loneliness is a major issue for men. If you don't want to sympathize with men on it, then we will.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 05:35 PM
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If you care about people's happiness, then you would be interested in finding a compromise between men and women's interests to benefit both parties. If you don't care, then you are free to continue living your life. Just don't be surprised when other people also begin to not care about other people's happiness, in increasingly amoral ways. Let's say 50% percent of men couldn't get sex. Heck even 80%. What's going to happen? Are men going to force women to find undesirable men arousing? Are men …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 05:24 PM
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I have personally never criticized a woman for following her sexual imperative as long as she was honest about it and treated those who did not meet her standards with respect. We even have an entire subreddit dedicated to Red Pilled Women trying to find high value husbands. You only think this way because of a few bad actors and your own personal hatred towards men's issues. Snark has not held back The Red Pill so far, yet it is the main backbone of feminist objection towards any given issue. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 05:10 PM
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This is a rambling post that doesn't acknowledge the nuance in theory and life. Perhaps some Pillers are too rigid in their thinking, but nothing said here disproves of the attraction women have to power and status. Hell, alot of them just cherry pick which women they watch. Like the few women who masturbate at the thought of Charles Manson. It is silly to think all women are hybristophiliacs because of these cases. It is not silly to think that, because most hybristophiliacs are female, that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 02:46 PM
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This is true, although one has to ask which is the stronger force here - women's sexual disinterest in homosexual men, or men's visceral disgust towards them. I know I wouldn't kiss a guy on the mouth even if sex was PROMISED to me. With marriage out of the way, LGBT advocates are going to have a real hard time trying to achieve future goals they desire when, fundamentally, queer men are seen as unsexy and low status.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 08:22 PM
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I don't disagree men prefer higher status women over lower. However, with women it is far more important and much more direct, so it is much harder to find compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 08:04 PM
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The problem, as usual, is that what you are describing is not hypergamy. Hypergamy specfically describes women being attracted to men of higher STATUS. Now, looks are correlated with status, but they're not the primary issue when we talk about women's hypergamy. Everyone understands that men are tempted by beautiful women. What Red Pill reveals is that women are tempted by powerful, successful men, in ways men can never relate to (as shown here to be honest). This is a major problem when you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 12:08 PM
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Call them Chads, call them Alphas, call them Hot Guys...it really doesn't matter. All I was pointing out is that men on top of the social hierarchy obviously are going to slay, and nothing about Gerard Way's success with women contradicts the Red Pill. There are multiple different hierarchies in life, so while men are not doomed to be forever alone, this is mostly a one way street, as men are not viscerally attracted to a woman's accomplishments. Let me put it this way - you cannot write 50 Shad…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 09:30 PM
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I do not use Chad solely to describe physically buff men, but any high status man popular with women. And there is absolutely nothing surprising about thousands of women being enamored by a successful lead singer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 06:41 PM
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This is just another NAWALT screed that acts like we should care about the minutiae of individual tastes and exceptions over the vast general trends. If you want to attract a personal type of woman, then there might be personal guides for you. But, when talking about women in broad strokes, yes, it is good to be fit, muscular, high status, wealthy, confident, etc. Regardless of the clique, these will be massive boosts as you establish yourself. As for personality, it seems to me that the confide…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 06:05 PM
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The aspects that make a man a successful player/"manwhore" (an oxymoron) are the same ones that help them get girlfriends. It is just they have enough positives to string the woman along so they can milk the cow for free as long as possible. But I wasn't seeking casual sex, so I didn't ask those questions. I wanted an intimate relationship. Unfortunately, nobody ever told me how women truly worked as a kid/teenager, so I just defaulted to Like-Matches-Like bonding theory until I was proven compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 05:42 PM
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When it comes to men's struggles, feminists suddenly become pick-yourself-by-your-bootstraps conservatives. For any other demographic, they will acknowledge that yes, society, government, and technology have had enormous factors on their life outcomes. These forces become infinitesimal when it comes to their outlook on the Human Doings. The Red Pill actually gives you a long list of ways to improve yourself, because they acknowledge that, since women are attracted to almost everything related to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:56 PM
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Of course. I have nothing against inequality of outcomes, so long as it benefits myself or the greater group I belong to. What I don't like is the mockery or dismissal of the problems people on the bottom of the hierarchy face. I think we would all understand each other better if we acknowledged each other's struggles in this world, and find the balance between ensuring prosperity while giving the less fortunate reason to live. Sadly, women are largely incapable of this kind of thought for anyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:30 PM
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It depends on how you define "rational" and "legitimate". Because, if you take away subjective moral judgements aside, moral complaints are really just an act of will to power. Your self-interest has been violated, therefore you appeal to others to fulfil your goals on the basis of perceived fairness. In this sense, all women's complaints are in rational self-interest, and thus legitimate. Women are fair to nag about Chads using and abusing them, not being taken seriously, or hubby using them fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:11 PM
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MGTOW is basically like the Atheist Movement. Their points are generally accurate in terms of the functions of female nature. However, because common culture is so heavily against them, and one of their most esteemed pillars of their lives has turned out to be nothing more than a lie, there is a perpetual rage phase that lasts for years. Thus the abundance of anger and occasional hypocrisy instead of seeking out solutions. Both groups are easy to mock, but the actual points they make are rarely …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 02:43 AM
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A little bit for both, but neither is anywhere near a death sentence. She'll still have plenty of men to choose from in terms of the SMV. And in terms of the RMV, there are plenty of awkward guys who'd mesh well with awkward girls who become their personal sluts. Unfortunately, these awkward women still want what all women want: the dominant, high SMV, socially adept Chad. So for any given man awkward women actually want to form a relationship with, she will be fighting a losing battle against m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 09:52 PM
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Or the cover of every romance novel ever made.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 06:00 PM
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The big error of this post is that it assumes that legitimate kindness is actually attractive to women. It is not. Women in fact primarily judge (and fuck) people via Halo Effect. A Chad with 4 DUIs and an aggressive demeanor is "legitimatily nice." A fat nerd who volunteers and displays unwavering loyalty to his friends is a "manipulative asshole" as soon as he autistically speaks to her. And to cope with this, we have both pills trying to warp the definitions of words to save their ideology. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 05:22 PM
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Men are more prone to autism because it is an exaggeration of our logic-oriented thinking. Women are more prone to borderline personality disorder because it is an exaggeration of their emotion-oriented thinking. Likewise, women are more prone to hybristophilia because it is an exaggeration of the Alpha-oriented bad-boy-seeking sex drive all women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 10:25 PM
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The human sex drive is pretty damn stupid though. Logic and Reason <<< Dopamine, Oxytocin, and Vasopressin Hits. It is true that men will often be insulted, exploited, and abandoned by women's narcissistic nature. But at the end of the day, we still want to be loved by women regardless. This has nothing to do with rational processes, but pure, raw, visceral emotions, which are extremely difficult, if not impossible to negotiate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 01:43 AM
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I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. What men are more surprised about are women's inherit hypergamous nature, always preferring the wealthiest man they can find (at least in terms of long-term relationships). They also generally have very little sympathy for men who cannot reach their standards. Even the income you mentioned elsewhere is still the top 50% of Americans. I'm rather happy with my current job, but it may take some time before I can match even your $40,000 standard. As long as …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 01:14 AM
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Unless you have a truly large family (maybe?), the modern household does not need a stay-at-home mother anymore. Once your kid reaches preschool, you don't need to watch out for them in the morning, and all the other assorted functions hardly require significant amount of time at all. My mother and father both had full-time jobs throughout my entire life. Our four-person household ran perfectly fine. There's no reason to deprive your family hundreds of thousands of dollars so a woman can enter a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 12:55 AM
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Yes, facial structure matters. There are conventions of male beauty that most people prefer over others. And the scientific reasoning for this is that attractive facial features indicate high testosterone, a strong immune system, and a tendency towards intelligence and against mental illness. As much as a woman's fertility is etched in her youthful glow, a man's masculinity is often told from his face, frame, and height. To the extent that personality also matters, your genetics contributing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/18 07:56 PM
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You could play the numbers game. Or perhaps use Christian-oriented dating websites. You could compromise, and give out sex after the third date or so. You could even lie about your previous partner count, should a more conservative man come along. IDK. I'm not a marriage-seeking woman looking for high-value men. There's probably multiple solutions. Again, all I'm saying is that this won't be easy, and you should plan accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 10:55 PM
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And good luck with that. I'm not saying its a bad decision, or that you should be doing anything else. This is just an explanation for why men are so resentful towards you, even ones that should be more traditionally inclined.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 10:42 PM
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You misunderstood my point. Maybe I made too many edits, which I have a habit of doing. Yes, this is a noble cause from your perspective and society's perspective. However, just because its good for you or society doesn't mean it is in the interest of men. Especially the men who have earned high status despite their age. Just because Red Pilled Men hate sluts (I don't care about whatever excuses they have to offer, they simply don't like them) doesn't mean they will stop slut-enabling behavior. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 10:33 PM
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Shouldn't? I mean, I suppose. There's a lot of things men "shouldn't do". After all, that 7-11 ice cream sandwhich I just had isn't going to do my body any favors. But here's the problem - there's a world of difference between how people are "supposed to act" and how people ACTUALLY act. And, unfortunately for long-term bonders, most men actually do prefer abundant sex over committed relationships. It just so happens that to get sex, most men do need to make an LTR. The proponents of "The Declin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 10:14 PM
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The best way to hide your "normal self" is to change what your "normal self" is. But that is a rather difficult task (that's the bitter Black Pill). Your goal is to apply Red Pill Philosophy while being realistic with your personal limitations. For a cold approach in particular, the good ole balance of carefree, stoic, and confident seems to work the best. Listen to her, but do not add consideration beyond that. Be fun and learn how to lead. The one thing I'd say that isn't really covered by TRP…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 07:34 PM
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This could have been written by me. And it still is my general MO when it comes to interacting with guys. I won't give my shirt off my back to everyone, but I always understand where they're coming from, and never condescend to anyone except for truly wretched people. I'm also fairly open about my opinions, although I do shut up about my far right ideas and general depression. Unfortunately, such traits are not seen as attractive to most women. You seem to know this already, but the pill has bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 04:16 PM
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There is no such thing as a non-shallow woman. Yes, not only are women out for themselves in terms of dating, they will treat handsome, fit, rich strangers far better than ugly, fat, and poor ones. Everything to them is about presentation, which is why they spend so much money trying to look good. Even once you do accept appearances are everything, you will probably not find a life partner that will support you through thick and thin, and explore the depths of human existence together. Most wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 03:40 PM
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Most women, yes. And it is up to their men to make sure they don't blow up in their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 11:01 PM
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Oh, I'm sure many women still have lovey-dovey imaginations over how relationships work. I'd love it if things were so simple. But the core of the "Red Pill" is that such fantasies are not reflective of reality. They still start conflict-enabling behavior when things enter a pinch. As men, it is our job to not let our guard down, because if we are seen as weak in their eyes, they will lose attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 10:49 PM
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I have never once said in my life that I find independence attractive, nor do I know of other men who've done so. What we don't like is BPD-tier negativity that will sink the relationship regardless of what we do. Confidence is sexy, but not in a Strong-Independent-I'm-Better-Than-You fashion. And being desperate for my dick is probably a plus. In the end, I think most men do have an idealic fantasy of them and their partner "needing" each other to be the best they can be. Just look at our pop s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 10:42 PM
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If this kind of attitude is so fundamentally ingrained in female nature, one cannot particularly hope to find a "better woman", but rather luck into a neurological deviant with more in common with a man that a woman. And there are simply not enough female autists to go around. Of course, you probably disagree with my assumptions. I'll just say that, in my personal experience, INTP-style logical tactics don't generally work once things get heated. Explaining your plan of action in detailed steps …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 10:27 PM
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If you haven't read about preselection before, what it actually means is that, if you take the exact same man, and surround one with emotional/sexual validation from women, women will prefer that men over one who is less liked, even though they look exactly identical. This has been proven by experiments. To the extent that men do prefer high status women over low status ones (something I know TRP will disagree with me), it is far less of a factor when considering dating options, and it usually h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 10:16 PM
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I'd argue that much of what the pills call "spineless"/"being a doormat" is not acting like a true pussy, but not acting like either an aggressive jerk or a disinterested player when a woman clearly disrespects you. As long as women "shit test" their men, either of the above are going to be needed to maintain your Alpha status in the relationship. As a man, I would not want my woman to use aggression to win arguments or act like I was an ignorant child in my ideal relationship. But as long as wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 10:06 PM
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But people do generally act in their or their own people's self-interest most of the time. The only thing I'm doing is cutting to the chase. More Mexicans support illegal immigrants because, well, they're Mexican. Most blacks vote democrat (even ones with conservstive views) because they're black. And while whites may be as anti-racist as possible in public, they usually don't interact with minorities in private. Everybody is racist and bigoted, and under today's definitions, most men are misogy…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 05:11 PM
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Do not disagree. That's not the issue. The problem is centering your viewpoint in ingrained perspective rather than what the actual tenets of feminism are, which is largely equality for women as a movement by women, for women. The fact that it results in short-term relationships is largely irrelevant here, because the point of feminism isn't to facilitate long-term relationships for this man. I'm not particularly concerned about the tenets of feminism (even though I do understand them) if they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 12:42 AM
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If most men learned that feminism generally enables women to sacrifice long-term relationships for short-term, vacuous flings with men that don't even abide by feminism's tenets, most would probably not support it. The whole idea of a Red Pill backlash was caused by men who assumed women wanted this post-modern, feminist kind of man, then went on to total their dating lives. Men want sex, first and foremost. Yes, everything is, in at least some terms, a question of "Will this get me laid?" What …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 11:59 PM
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I don't see the issue with the latter statement. Contrary to popular belief, most people don't have the thought process of "Oh, I'm very aroused by X, but oh wait, X is immoral, therefore, I should be aroused by Y!" For example, I know that most women don't want to do pornography, I know many of them suffer from mental issues, I know that people don't respect porn stars, and I know their compensation for sacrificing their dignity is jack shit. In this sense, porn is immoral...but I don't care. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 03:39 AM
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Yep. Another important add-on: both nice guys and sluts can have the best of intentions, yet still are treated like garbage by the people they try to please. In the slut's case, nobody is actually being harmed, and both parties are consenting and enjoying the acts. Yet this often harms both the woman's relationship value and even her personal value. Men usually don't take these women seriously, degrade them behind their back, and will ghost them at the drop of a hat. Even both pills, allegedly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 02:29 AM
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I mean, I didn't say otherwise. Just because men aren't AS attracted to confidence, doesn't mean they aren't attracted to it. But if you actually want an explanation for while female positivity is being disparaged, and aren't just seeking to start a flame war, well, there's your answer. I would rather date a suicidal gal with a rocking bod than a successful body-acceptance woman who's fat. I'd never date a self-professed queen who treats me like a peasant. I'd rather date the virginal, awkward n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 09:38 PM
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Men aren't as attracted to confidence as women are. And to the extent they are, I'd reckon it is a different type of confidence than the one of the world-conquering, arrogant Alpha Male brute. Confidence that is unfounded or explicitly drags others down is probably not too attractive on women. "Body positivity" often means shaming men for their personal preferences or boldface lying about physical health. "Princesses" are often snarky or dishonest about how they want to be treated. "Sex positivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 08:34 PM
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Uh, no, actual kindness comes from actual kindness. Where in any dictionary does it add power into the definition? Weak guys can be kind. Strong guys can be kind. Women generally prefer strong guys that are kind...and they also prefer strong men who aren't kind. This warping of definitions make me believe people are desperately rationalizing away women's extreme hypergamy - that essentially the only thing they really care about in partners is power. Kindness + power, indifference + power, cruelt…
/r/TheRedPill16/03/18 05:56 PM
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I mean, this entire thread is LOLing at feminists who've wrecked their lives, so I don't know what else you're here for.
/r/TheRedPill04/03/18 05:11 PM
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You can doll it up in whatever way you want, but this "teasing" is still just well-executed negging, something that most men would not be interested in. Its like saying "Oh, I don't have rape fantasies! Its just, uh, "ravishment" ". You still like more domiment men roasting your negative qualities. You just want them to do it in a socially skilled way. Instead of calling men who neg sadistic abusers, we should in fact teach all men how to neg without crossing personal boundaries, for both men an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 06:37 AM
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Of course. I mean, they're not going to say so, because they're socially aware enough to know that such beliefs would make them seem pretty shitty. However, when you watch how women act (even feminist women), they always seem to have especially high disgust towards sexually unsuccessful, unconfident men. No, they don't care about your depression. No, they don't care about your loneliness. To them, if you can't magically change yourself into a man of infinite confidence, you are simultaneously an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 06:26 AM
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If women reward "toxic masculinity", it isn't toxic, its just masculinity. Women punish vulnerability, weakness, and low status while rewarding men with a violent, aggressive edge. Even The Blue Pill generally despises these types of men, regardless of what they say. How do they expect something like virgin shaming to end when not even they sympathize, even on an abstract level, with male virgins? Until the day the effiminate, shy nerd is as attractive as the huge, confident jock, masculinity wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 06:25 PM
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Ah, the apex fallacy. Women think men have it all because they only notice (and want) the men who have it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 07:18 PM
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Being insecure is unattractive to any gender. Only if she's screaming and threatening to kill you or something. Men don't mind hearing about a woman's insecurities, issues, and depression, as long as she's good to them and gives great sex. Women sure as shit care about any chink you have in your armor, no matter how you attempt to phrase it. Of course, if you immediately fess up to your problems and go back to fixing them, then you can be okay. But that's not "vulnerability". You're still playin…
/r/TheRedPill24/02/18 01:45 AM
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Everybody wants fit people. It just so happens that women have far higher standards than men for what they deem "fit". Men just want a woman who isn't fat. Women want absolute collusi of men, far greater than 90% who ever lived. Now, most women learn to settle, but that still means that their looksmatch is far greater from their expectations then that of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 01:30 AM
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Incorrect. All women love (good-looking) thugs. Its just that some are better at restraining themselves than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 08:44 PM
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Because sex devalues them. Wooooooh, riddle solved for you. Men don't like women with high partner counts, and no matter how much they try to justify it, they know this is true. "Slut Shaming" was the norm for most of our existence, only called to question now that birth control is available and traditional values collapse. Making babies inside you takes time and energy. Meanwhile, while men want to make babies, they do not want to raise some other guy's child. That's why we don't like thinking …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 09:14 PM
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I don't think that someone who's genuinely nice reacts the way they do to unreciprocated feelings. I can point to dozens upon dozens of posts where feminists and blue pilled men mock a man not because he lashes out against women, but for making the (true) statements that women don't like nice guys and go for assholes. While the times a bitter beta lashes out are also mocked, at its core people are offended by their words, not their actions. And yes, women are not attracted to kindness alone, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 08:47 PM
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Doesn't matter. People, especially women, are very judgmental. It is assumed that marriage by your mid-30s is a fundamental goal of all people. Failure to achieve this implies either major incompetence with the opposite sex, or a stubborn unwillingness to uphold one of the major foundations of society. Neither of which are going to get you applause. "But what about low value men, who couldn't get a date to save their life? Shouldn't you consider his great pain and loneliness for not finding the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 06:34 PM
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And the reasons? Deep-rooted hatred towards unattractive men? Searching easy targets for bullying? Trying to profit from the male supplication? Or rationalizing attraction towards men who direclty contradict female self-perception of virtue? Probably a bit of everything. Pretty much this. We are now at a point where a sexually unsuccessful man can't even say "I think I'm a nice guy...", with no further statements, before he is accused of misogyny, desperation, and entitlement. Its not that Nice …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 06:17 PM
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To the extent that this is true, it is mostly a biological reaction to women's natural inferiority when compared to the myriad abilities of men. Women feel like they need to be ruled over...because, historically, men ruled over them. Perhaps it is a disturbing footnote to the man who believes that nature was shaped by morality, not propagation, but you are concerning yourself with the perfectly normal sex drives of every day women. Its not that "Women want dominant men because of rape, beatings,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 06:53 PM
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Poorly worded, but partially true. Most women don't give a single shit about your knowledge of the cosmos, expertise at programming, or encylopedic knowledge of a massive franchise. They like what intelligence gets - money and status. Just because women want to fuck the millionaire tech guru, doesn't mean they give a flying fuck about economics or tech. Women don't care about the details, they care about the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 06:12 PM
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Yep. Objectification Theory is basically creepshaming on a macro scale. Sex positive feminism has given women the permission to enjoy all sorts of depraved debaucheries...but if you are a (low value) man who enjoys said debaucheries, you "don't see her as a real, intelligent woman!" It has absolutely nothing to do with the acts involved, but the kind of man who does them. Women really, really, really don't like omega-tier betas. Their philosophy is just a post-hoc rationalization of this drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 04:25 PM
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being around someone who you end up having to mother or parent Incorrect. Women love men who can mimic the authority of their father, and men often play along with their wishes. Its just that women hate men who put them on as high a pedestal as their mother. Men and women are different. There's a reason why no guy dares to call their GF "mommy", while "daddy" is so mainstream, I've seen it reach PG rated films.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 03:25 AM
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Women can be pieces of shit, but it will be for different reasons than the Amoral Alpha. Hence the discrepency in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 12:09 AM
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You mean all the fields still dominated by men regardless? Men make up 90% of practicing engineers, two thirds of architects, the majority of writers people are actually interested in...(https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/feb/04/research-male-writers-dominate-books-world) In almost every field of that hinges of extreme competitiveness and creativity, women find themselves dominated by men. So par for the course I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 09:24 PM
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And even that minority is not going to be as interested. Because they're still women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 09:20 PM
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group of women Exactly. Women are far more likely to act this way when they are in a gaggle than alone. Women are like water. Women with one friend who divorces are far more likely to divorce their own husband. Most women don't marry with the intention of cash and prizes. In fact, many women will lose economic status in the long term after divorce. While they do have the potential to squeeze their ex for every last dollar, this is caused from very different biological factors than say, going on …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 09:03 PM
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Because men and women are different. Women, as a general rule of thumb, are cowardly, uncreative, and slow-witted when compared to men. It is the men who build not just the technology of civilization, but the culture, the religion, and the philosophy. Notice the absolutely pathetic number of female philosophers out there (most of the few spouting some variant of feminist garbage). Women have little motivation to be sociopathic badasses, nor do they have much reason to think about the greater fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 08:40 PM
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Of course he is a jerk. Should he do it though? Of course. Perhaps not socially acceptable, but everybody would be happier if we were at least honest with each other. Men mostly want sex, women mostly want power. Both will go great lengths to achieve them, throwing out traditional morals when nobody is watching. Someone who lives their life assuming otherwise is just begging to be burned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 02:20 AM
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There is a difference between being a high value man who further cements himself as the Alpja Male of the Group and a low value free-use emotional and physical tampon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 08:43 PM
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Being kind doesn't make you strong. Being strong makes you strong. And what is good for society is not always good for me. In term of self-improvement, I found it is far better to be extremly calculated with who I trust than generic, feels-good optimism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 06:16 PM
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And I haven't argued elsewise. Thus men should manipulate others to get the bodies, emotional labor, sex, and anything else they really want. You must be your own advocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 06:04 PM
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It definitely doesn't work. Nice Guys think it does because that same behavior is what they want done to them. So, are you saying Nice Guys want women to be "fake nice" to them? Or are you saying that, even if they were legitimately nice, it wouldn't work, because its not sexually attractive? I'm not sure why you have Red Pill flair when you still defend niceness/kindness, even though you acknowledge its not what women are attracted to. If kindness isn't attractive to women, you really don't nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 03:39 AM
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I mean, I suppose if you want to be the guy other people step over for cash and prizes, I really can't argue with that. But if a man should start abandoning his morals for more tangible, desirable results, I see little point in shaming him when reality rewards him handsomely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 03:02 AM
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Incorrect. If they really wanted to manipulate, they would do something that, y'know, actually worked. Women aren't these magical moral agents who have such a strong female intuition, it just so happens they successfully weed out all the manipulative men by virtue of their vagina radar. In fact, women are very easy to manipulate compared to men, given their heard mentality and their obsession with social status. Louis Vuitton handbags aren't actually worth thousands of dollars. Kindness alone ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 02:51 AM
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Nope. Just do what's in your self-interest. If there is a benefit for doing good, do good. If there is a benefit for doing bad, do bad. If giving a gift will improve a relationship, do so. If bashing an annoying, low status member of your friend group improves your standard, double down on the worst thing your friends have to say. Navigating the social/economic hierarchy is difficult to balance in terms of kindness vs assholery, but you will be more happy with that status then if you were a nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:28 AM
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If your goal is to make old people happy, that's fine. If your goal is to just generate warm fuzzy feelings, that's also fine. But if you have loftier ambitions and such acts are significantly detrimental to you, there's little reason to not cut them off. Ultimately, I have no problem if people don't change their ways at all from this post. All I want them to do is acknowledge that people are primarily self-interested, and when the motivating factors are removed or never present to begin with, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:14 AM
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As said in the "wall of text", you don't need to never be nice. Its just that you should only be nice to your own benefit. If you are sustaining greater loses, even if by a slight margin (I.E. - the gas and time it takes to help a car pool is more a cost than the rare benefit of a very slightly improved relationship with your coworkers), you are foolish to still perform the action.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 11:48 PM
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Then what is the benefit if there is no reward? You could do so for a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing you did "the right thing". But I think most people would enjoy wealth, sex, and social status far more instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 11:42 PM
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Of course. As I literally said, niceness can be a tool in your arsenal to advance your personal goals. However, if such actions didn't develop such contacts, your efforts would have been a waste of time. Many men have done their best to be nice and kind...and still find themselves at the bottom of the barrel. Many men have been utterly ruthless...and have yielded amazing fruits for their labor. The key is to not be a nice or an asshole - manipulate people as you see fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 11:40 PM
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