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Brother, let me give you some advice. Stay the fuck away from celebrity gossip and everything adjacent to it. It's a cesspool of woke toxicity and bullshit. I have no idea what you're talking about, these wife guys or whatever. But I know these circles and those "essays" you're talking about sound like the shit I used to encounter. Just stay away from them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/22 06:34 PM
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Another good book from that time is Christina Hoff Sommer's "Who Stole Feminism?" Tbh, in terms of really debunking some common feminist fallacies there's better books than that, but there's 2 things she does incredibly well in that book. Debunking some common feminist myths, like DV going up on Super Bowl Sunday or the 1 in 5 myth. What she does isn't just show stats, she literally got in contact with the people who published those studies and she got them to explain themselves how flawed their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/22 05:42 PM
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That sub is legitimately scary. I remember one time some guy made a post about being a college graduate who felt completely useless and like everything he's achieved in life has been handed to him for being a white man. Idk what was up with that guy - whether he just wanted attention and validation from woke people, or whether he spent so much time reading IPol shit he legit ended up shredding every bit of self-esteem he had. But everyone in the comments was praising him for that and agreeing wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/22 01:03 PM
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The thing about r/MensRights is that it's a much more politically heterogeneous sub that one would originally assume. I don't like posting much there because I believe there's a lot of panic-posting and terrible takes, but I wouldn't say those takes are necessarily representative of the sub as a whole. r/MensRights can be accused of many things, but I wouldn't accuse them of being an echo chamber. At all. Feminists can walk in there and comment whatever they want, and they often do. Yes, they ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/22 09:33 PM
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among educated people OMFG, this is soooooo true. You know, whenever people bring up Valerie Solanas as an example of terrible feminist misandry, I'm like... that's not it, imo. I'm not trying to justify Solanas or anything, but if you read her story, it's pretty fucked up. She grew up in the '60s, comes from a poor family. Uneducated. Had to work as a prostitute. IIRC her father sexually abused her? Like... I have no trouble believing that woman had an awful life, suffered plenty at the hands o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 12:17 AM
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I like how you used xenophobia as an example of their hipocrisy. That's the example I usually use - if you say men are garbage because of the culture they grow up in, then can I say foreign people are garbage because the culture they grow up in is morally incompatible with mine? Things like that are what eventually made me grow so disenchanted with the left. The hipocrisy underlying all that identity politics shit. All of these things are awful, but only when you do them against me. When I do th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/22 04:21 AM
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I'll see if I can find it and link it to you, it was in Spanish though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 05:04 PM
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Sometimes you have to pick and choose your battles. This is something I've seen way too many times. A blogger I really like adressed this perfectly well in an entry - how stressful arguing this can be. You need to have receipts at hand for everything, because everything you say is presumed to be false. You need saintly patience, because you'll get insulted left and right from the get-go, but if you retaliate just once you'll be labeled a rabid incel troll. You'll be outnumbered most of the time.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/22 06:54 PM
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Yeah I'm not a big fan of the discourse you often find at MensRights and there's some ugly misogyny there, but in merely objective there the misogyny of MensRights is still a lot more subtle and tame than what you'll find in any feminist sub, even the less ridiculous ones. If you wanna find that level of hatred, you have to dig deep into the web, and go search into these obscure MGTOW blogs that have a few dozen active users at most. There's a part in that transition from being a feminist to a m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/22 06:25 PM
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I wasn't banned from MensLib but I remember the first I posted, I did a long post about sth, I don't even remember what it was, but at some point I said "boys are growing up with the message they are trash and rapists instilled on their heads over and over again" and my comment got deleted within minutes for "making lazy and untrue stereotypes about feminism". It's weird because I've seen similarly critical comments stay up sometimes. I think I might've just caught a mod in a bad mood?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/22 02:45 PM
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Lol But when you find out that a man disagrees with your beliefs about women’s rights, your immediate response is to try to emasculate him by comparing him to a woman as an insult. Through my whole life in the internet I think I've probably seen like 2 or 3 MRAs call a feminist man a cuck. A feminist calling a MRA an incel or some variant of that? That's a few times a week.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/22 02:42 PM
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Michael Kimmel and Michael Kaufman. Why is Michael such a cursed name lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 10:54 PM
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In my country there's a constitution draft we're voting in September where it says men can take no more than 50% of administrative charges of all branches of government. That roof only exists for men, so 52% men is inconstitutional but 96% women not. This is right there, clear as day, in the first fucking page. And then, right after establishing this fucked up concept of "parity", they impose all judges must consider "gender perspective" when ruling their verdicts. I don't think I need to explai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 09:30 PM
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I've said this a lot... You get to know feminists a little bit, and you realize the stereotypes about them are unfair and exaggerated. You get to know them better, and you realize the stereotype was right all along.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 09:11 PM
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You just can't indoctrinate a whole group of men into feminism for too long. This doesn't even work in the LGBT+ community, let alone if you add straight guys into the mix. The misandry can seem appealing at first if you're a man who has been bullied for not being "man enough". If you're not too familiar with feminism, you can become familiar with the more mellow parts of it and think the stereotypes are just that. Feminist studies sound very convincing and serious when you don't wise up to them…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 06:48 AM
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regardless if there's any truth to it or not. I mean... If you followed the case it was pretty evident Johnny has substance abuse problems and often got violent and weird when intoxicated. He's admitted to this. I don't think he hit her every time she claimed nor that Amber was the only victim, but if you don't think he did anything fucked up, you're not getting the whole story.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 06:32 AM
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but that does not mean that they should be believed to the point of throwing due process out the window. And that's exactly what they are/were doing. You know, for a minute I actually sided with Amber. I remember reading those news about her using a brand of makeup that hadn't even come out, and then I read some feminist say how she never mentioned the brand by name and the whole thing was taken out of context. Then I started reading all her tumblr posts and reddit threads compiling Amber's evid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/22 03:12 PM
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I don’t know, the possibility that assertiveness is what’s valued and gender is only loosely related to that? Once you start seeing the world through the "patriarchy" lens, that's all you can see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/22 02:51 PM
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People use the name of this sub against us so much even though a lot of the users here don't identify as leftist lol. I post here because it's the best option out of the ones available, not because the term "left wing" particularly identifies me. It'd be cool to see more "left-wing" outlets advocating for men from a more feminist-critical perspective, but alas, that rarely happens 🤷.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 09:09 PM
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Activists operating under the guise of objective onlookers are upset because of what this means for their cause. I like how he called them out on their fake objectivity. If you go to ONTD, Deuxmoi or just about any other feminist shithole gossip blog you'll see exactly that, people whining about how this is the only sane place in the internet and how everyone is informing themselves on out-of-context tiktoks and youtube videos. You ask them for evidence and they'll direct you to a twitter thread…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 05:08 AM
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I know what the trial was about. The judge still went through all 14 pleaded incidents and assessed the evidence to determine if they were more likely than not to happen. The Sun was getting sued for calling Johnny a "wife beater" so that was the claim that he must've proven to be false - that he was a wife beater. It was not a criminal case but the judge did have to go through the incidents and the evidence for them. The verdict can be found here - https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/2…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 10:24 PM
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That trial did not find that she was telling the truth or that Depp was abusive. The judge went through their evidence for the 14 incidents he pledged and the judge accepted 12 of them were "more likely than not" to happen, as it's judged by the civil standard. The judge was biased as fuck, accepted incidents while admitting there was no proof of them happening, completely dismissed facts, logic and even grammar to support Amber's word.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 09:01 PM
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I've said to oblivion - this just goes to show how inconsistent and contradictory they are. The judge from the UK trial was disgustingly biased and was determined to not believe a single thing Johnny said, but I didn't just not see people call that out en masse, these same feminists were touting that verdict around as if it was irrefutable proof of Johnny's guilt. Now across the other side of the pond there's also a trial and there's a jury, but they rule in Johnny's favor, so it's all misogyny.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 03:35 PM
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What depresses me is seeing just how much it took Johnny to win the public back. I'm decidedly not on Amber's team, but come on. All of us were bombarded with "Amber is LYING!!!" type content on youtube relentlessly, right? Is that really what it takes? Do I need those mountains of money and have entire social media platforms devoted to smearing my abuser to be believed? Idk what to make of this case anymore, because I must say I'm skeptic of how much it'll really help male victims. Johnny Depp …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 01:41 PM
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Thank you very much, I'll check them out now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 01:32 PM
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I'll just say it's very interesting how much the tables have turned. Now that social media is on Johnny's side, suddenly these people are outraged over its influence, and are distrustful of the juries verdict. When judges rule in men's favor, it's because the system is broken and biased. Social media isn't perfect but it gives people an outlet to counter the courts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 03:21 AM
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Do you have a source to read the verdict directly? I don't trust the press or youtube or tiktok or anyone here, a lot of groups seem to have an agenda for this case so I'd rather remain as objective as possible and read straight from the source.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 10:26 PM
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That's how GG was going to win support from the mainstream, and that's how men's rights are going to win support in the future. But it's going to be a long ride. Feminism already has control over the Western press and most of the media, and they have already decided MRAs are some sort of evil terrorist group we have to fight against. As I said - there were plenty of people back in those days trying their damn hardest to defend GG while being as polite and eloquent as possible, and even then, the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/22 01:31 AM
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Dude I literally became aware of this other side of the whole Gamergate scandal like... 4 months ago? I even fought people over this, like I really thought it'd be best for everyone to just admit this was all misogyny and petty and that these men deserve no defense whatsoever. Like, how could anyone possibly deny Gamergate was anything but transparent misogyny by a bunch of whiny nerds? Then I started becoming familiar with this other side of the scandal, you know, the side no one in the press w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 10:55 PM
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You know how feminists say that MRAs like to pick and choose the most radical and irrational exponents of feminism and make them the face of the movement as a whole? EDIT: And thinking about it, the comparison isn't quite accurate. I mean in gamergate the most moderate and most radical exponents were all just a bunch of dudes online talking shit. Because that's all Gamergate ammounted to - online comments of varying degrees of toxicity. In feminism, the most radical and misandrist exponents are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 07:01 PM
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It's really bizarre just how institutionalized misandry is in Spain.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/22 08:35 PM
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It's interesting that so many of those youtube videos have the comments turned off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/22 04:46 PM
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There's a lot of us on the same boat. "Wokeism" is progressively turning into everything politics are supposed to be about - whether you're for it (left) or against it (right). When you're anti-woke without being right-wing, you're left without options. Leftists will think you're a closet bigot and rightists will think you're a liberal snowflake. I think we feel politically homeless now but I do believe a change is coming. Wokeism is a problem. And a problem with leftists is they are mindblowing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 04:19 PM
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I went through the exact same thing. This is why it pisses me off whenever I read these people blaming the alt-right for radicalizing people. Honey, your hatefulness is literally driving allies away, and it's making the people who already disagree with you hate you more. YOU are the ones radicalizing men. The right just comes by and picks them up. Let me tell you something about my country which perfectly illustrates why letting woke loonies take over the left is awful for everyone. I am from Ch…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 11:13 PM
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The basic facts of the case have gotten their day in court once already, having been heard in a British court in 2020, with the judge finding in Heard’s favor. But the basic, well-established facts do not seem to matter. Will feminists ever read this god damn verdict they so fervently quote? That was the most blatantly biased judge I've ever seen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 07:29 PM
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I understand your point and I think you explained it perfectly well, but I come to a different conclusion myself after spending a lot of time in feminist circles. Instead of trying to argue by their rules (as in, not calling out double standards and accepting their "false equivalence" thesis) I just don't argue with them. Because if I have to first place myself in the hypothesis the relationship between men and women is one of dominance and servitude in order to argue with them, I already lost. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 06:45 PM
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I made a post here some weeks ago about this exactly, how this trial alone has shifted social media dynamics. If you go to deuxmoi, ONTD, or pretty much any other pro-Amber forum, you'll find hordes of feminists complaining about how these are the only spaces they can talk freely because they are treated as idiots and get hounded everywhere else. They are shocked and disgusted by this. Because their pro-Amber spaces are safe havens, small pools of rationality among the insanity of the internet. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 06:31 PM
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What I meant to say is that men don't do that because they don't wanna seem weak, but because it's useless or straight up detrimental.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 12:47 AM
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People should listen and respect men when they talk about their suffering. This is the entire reason men don't talk. It's not because we're afraid of being perceived as weak. It's because other people - particularly women, and particularly feminists - either ignore or flat out mock us for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 04:13 PM
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Feminists only claim to give a shit about male suicides because it's something else they can blame toxic masculinity for. For a group that glorifies women's ability to bring life to the world they have very little respect for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 04:11 PM
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That men are weak and can't handle pain and we consider suicide because of having a runny nose. This coming from the same people that tell you that toxic masculinity teaches men to not go to the doctor and "act brave" in the face of pain.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 04:04 PM
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Read the verdict of the case. Unequivocally believing Amber's word without an ounce of logic was the entire reason 12 of the 14 incidents were accepted. Even judging by the civil standard of proof, I'd say like... 3 or 4 of those incidents seemed likely to happen. The judge would defy logic, grammar, actual facts, the word of witnesses, hell he'd even flat out say there was no evidence of the incidents happening but accept them anyway. I read that verdict because I didn't want to just inform mys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 03:19 PM
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Not exactly what you're asking but I'd like to say I don't necessarily care about seeing more female villains in fantasy or children's movies, because I don't think they are that rare. What I think is sorely lacking is more accurate representations of real life abusive women, especially in family dynamics. Chiron's mom in Moonlight is the kind of thing I'm talking about - without being black or American, I could deeply connect to Chiron's experience just because I grew up with a mom like that. T…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/22 12:44 AM
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afaik the whole pro-life argument is that the fetuses are innocent and don't deserve to get killed. I'm pro-choice myself but I don't see any hipocrisy in supporting both of those things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 05:47 PM
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Moreover, when it comes to sexual offences, rounded off to the nearest whole number, women constitute 0% of all offenders – that’s right, zero. I love how feminists treat courts and the law as either infallible or irredeemably corrupt depending on what they are trying to argue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/22 03:48 PM
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There's a lot to dislike about male feminist but I doubt sexual misconduct is as common among them as the right likes to claim. ... it is though. This is, like, a very recurring pattern.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/22 02:28 PM
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Same... I do visit feminist forums and read books every now and then because I think it's good to disrupt your echo chambers sometimes, but everytime I do I also remind myself why I had to leave such spaces and the feminist label as a whole.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/22 11:37 PM
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This sub gives people a third option between MensRights (which allows the demonization of women) and MensLib (which allows the demonization of men). I agree. I may roll my eyes or raise my eyebrow at some things I occassionally find here (no sub is perfect), but I've been a regular poster for months and don't find myself wanting to throw my laptop out of the window the way MensLib and MensRights often did. I can check those 2 subs every once in a while but regularly posting there... nope.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/22 03:40 PM
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I must say as terrible as I find feminist subs and echo chambers in general, I don't think them having ridiculous standards for banning people is that much of an issue. Reddit is more or less designed to be a bunch of echo chambers, and it's logical the subs with political discussions could end up like this. Does it suck? Yeah. But... why are you so preoccupied with making sure your voice is heard in a feminist echo chamber full of idiotic teens and hateful femcels? When it comes to colleges and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/22 03:29 PM
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Most celeb gossip blogs I know are pro-Amber and very feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/22 09:14 PM
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For all they complain about society invisibilizing women, feminists do a lot to invisibilize themselves. I can imagine there's some feminists that are pro-Johnny... But I can guarantee you every pro-Amber space you'll find is very, very evidently feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/22 08:28 PM
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American mainstream press is one of feminism's most powerful bastions across the whole world. Of course they're being like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/22 05:23 PM
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Well, they caught her lying several times throughout the trial and her witness testimonies seem to contradict each other. Could that affect verdict of the trial? She did all of that in the british case and the judge accepted her word, contradictions and all, without much scrutiny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/22 05:21 PM
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I've spent enough time in feminist circles to assert this, this is one of their main hipocrisies. When something bad happens to a woman, it's because of misogyny. Always. Feminists claim that misogyny is pervasive in society and omnipresent in every facet of life. Women are oppressed by men by simply going out to the streets. But when you call them out on this, you're exaggerating. It's nuanced. When something bad happens to men, it's mere happenstance, or it's because of patriarchy. Male privil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/22 05:09 PM
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Did you read the verdict for his British case? Feminism was the entire reason he lost that case. Look, defamation is hard to win, idk if Johnny deserved to win that. But that judge was obviously a feminist who took the "believe women" slogan very at heart. The judge would literally admit there was zero evidence of an incident occuring but then accept it anyway based on nothing but Amber's word.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/22 04:58 PM
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"What about abortion?!" He exclaimed. Because whataboutism is only a problem when someone else is doing it. What if I told you abortion is still legal in my country and there's no plans to change that? Am I allowed to complain about feminism's censorious ways? Did you forget there's an entire world outside of the USA?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 02:03 PM
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Censorship has always been one of feminism's most defining traits. Christina Hoff Sommers talks plenty about it in Who Stole Feminism? This goes back way further than the internet. Whether it's authors publishing opposing views, researchers coming to different conclusions, or students asking uncomfortable questions feminists have always had problems with people expressing different views than them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/22 06:09 PM
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This is one of the reasons why I think banning subs is ridiculous if you're not consistent. It's stupid to pretend trolls will stop being trolls if you brun their trollhole. They'll just migrate somewhere else and rot a place that used to be good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 02:02 AM
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I've had and read plenty of interesting and productive discussions on that sub, but unfortunately I do feel there are plenty of loonies that type out some rather unhinged stuff that gets a lot more upvotes they deserve. But what I saw a lot of in that sub which bothered me was just whining. These whiny type posts about getting downvoted in another sub or the comments being too mean. Like, dude, I get it. I hate that shit too. But whining so much about it makes you exactly like the feminists you …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/22 05:22 PM
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If she knew he didn't hit her and just said he did to be vindictive and cause him to lose his career, that's defamation from what I heard. That would be defamation, but the OpEd wasn't about that and he can't sue over what she alleged in the divorce. Amber being abusive to Johnny is of debatable importance in this case, because the difamatory claim was that he abused her so that's what must be disproven. Johnny's team argued if the abuse was mutual and he was acting in self-defense sometimes the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 09:58 AM
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I'm not a native speaker but I always assumed this was its supposed meaning. Calling a cowardly man a "scaredy kitty" makes more sense than calling him a "vagina".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 09:50 AM
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There's plenty of feminist literature, both fictional and academic, that deals with this. The whole "The Future is Female" line was born from an academic that claimed male population has to be reduced to 10%. What I don't understand is how some people are so vocal about their genocidal ideation. It's not genocide! They don't want to kill anyone! It's just about men not being born! That's totally not like genocide at all! They literally type that out as an unironic argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:46 PM
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that women are only violent in self-defense, etc. You know this is actually extremely relevant to this case, because the judge in the UK dismissed Amber's admissions in texts to being violent as her doing it in "self defense", based on nothing but her own account of it. Meanwhile, Jhonny's own texts were literally the main piece of evidence used to incriminate him. Please, please take the time to read the verdict. You can see his weighing of the evidence from paragraphs 206 onwards, though obvio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:33 PM
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This guy was absolutely absurd. A charicature. Please, please do read that fucking verdict so that next time you see a feminist asking you to "stick to the facts and not the edited clips on tiktok" you know what you're talking about. I insist - I was expecting to agree with the judge about Jhonny losing the case, but not for the reasons he stated. His reasoning while weighing the evidence was absolutely ridiculous and honestly infuriating to read. I'm currently writing a whole piece on the verdi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:08 PM
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¿She never mentions being beaten by Jhonny on any specific date on the OpEd, she just generally talks about becoming a face for domestic abuse and the aftermath of it. Indeed Amber's allegations of being beaten have a lot of shoddy evidence and contradictory testimonies. To be fair, Jhonny's accounts of being beaten face similar issues sometimes. But that's not really what matters, because this is not a criminal case. The thing is defamation lawsuits are civil, the statements aren't judged by th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:01 PM
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people can use it to as proof of how misandric the American justice system is It really wouldn't work as proof of that though. His case is weak. Famous men facing an impossible task trying to win a defamation lawsuit is just as much proof of misandry as rape cases not ending in convictions is of misogyny. They are very hard to prove, that's why people lose. If you wanna see some bizarre misandry then you should read the verdict of his british case. Start reading from 206 to see his reasoning but…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 06:57 PM
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they are using it to ‘prove’ that feminism is ‘toxic’ and to discredit women who are victims of abuse Oh yeah because the narrative of men being abusers and women being victims just came out of thin air and has nothing to do with feminism. Feminists have not spouted this narrative all over the social media platforms they are now so ardently condemning. This has nothing to do with feminism. I've not seen a single man share resources on how to spot signs of abuse Where are you looking? I've seen l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 06:49 PM
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This. Be prepared for Johnny to lose, but that won't necessarily come down to juries being swayed by a pretty woman's tears. Defamation is hard to win and imo Johnny's case is really weak (his UK case was stronger). This will sound cold but really, if Amber abused and hit Johnny is debatably and (imo) irrelevant to this case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 03:00 PM
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Moonlight imo had an eerily accurate portrayal of what it's like to grow up with an abusive mother as a gay boy. The examples you bring up about Harry Potter are certainly very interesting. Even if they accesory to the overall plot and kinda irrelevant, you do make a point that if the genders were reversed, I'm sure I would've read millions of people talking about what a perverse misogynist JK Rowling is for coming up with those scenes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/22 09:40 PM
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I don't think this is a fair comparison at all. I can certainly understand why women on conservative American states would be terrified about not having the choice to abort in the future if they need it. Not gonna lie but I've seen some takes on this sub lately that have a tinge of "abortion banned, men most affected".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/22 09:36 PM
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I called them youtubers because they are. I have never even argued that they are incorrect but that you're misunderstanding the terms and things they are talking about or not seeing the total picture. This isn't my case. I haven't read and studied the documents related to this case like I would one I'm seeing myself. His lawsuit in the UK not being appealable doesn't make his American case any better. I was wrong to think he could appeal that case, yeah, but that doesn't mean his case here is su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/22 09:09 PM
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I think this says it all. It says you've quoted the opinions of youtubers without formulating a single argument of your own. That's not looking down on them - it's looking down on you lol. You have strictly no value in this discussion, as shown when you straight up didn't know anything about the case beyond what happened in the UK. And even then, you went on a rant about what he should've done without even educating yourself on the subject. This indicated, even then, that your opinion was entire…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 10:48 PM
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You know I'm very much pro-choice, but if you read the conservative criticisms of Roe v. Wade, they do make sense. It did reek of judicial activism. That is, when you study the case not from the prism of whether abortion is good or not, but whether it's a constitutional right in the USA or not. I'm not convinced that it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 09:21 PM
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Now you claim that I'm arrogant and that me replying to your posts means that I'm some kind of dogmatic lunatic who can't understand the law. I'm just replying to you, that's the whole point of reddit. And this all started because you were replying to me aggressively. I say this lawsuit makes no sense to me because you can't prove damages. You say it's defamation per se. Ok, but that still means the presumption of damages can be disputed by the other part. You asked for a compensation, that mean…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 09:07 PM
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It doesn't need to be the central point is the point. He's inferred to being an abuser. That's literal defamation. No it's not irrelevant at all. Defamation requires statements to be false, even if we say we're judging this by the standard of negligence and that her omitting his name is irrelevant (which I agree with) that doesn't take away from the fact her statements weren't exactly falsifiable and most importantly that she wasn't disclosing anything in that op ed that wasn't already disclosed…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 06:05 PM
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Of course the op ed was referencing him, but that was not the central point of the op ed, she was discussing the way Hollywood treated her more generally. And, again, this op ed came out long after rumors of Johnny getting fired from Pirates because of his alcoholism. She only alludes to him in one paragraph where she says something like "I became the face of domestic violence". And whether it's true or not, that's not even the most important factor here, it's that he hasn't provided any conclud…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 04:06 PM
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This reads like a feminist argument tbh, I talk about facts and law and you respond with some long emotional take about being entitled to victim narratives. I'm talking about the lawsuit here, which was Johnny's choice. He decided to sue over this op ed where, as you can see, he's only alluded to in one paragraph. It was published in December 18. In order for a difamation case to be won you have to prove damages and causality - that this specific piece you're suing for was the cause of the finan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 02:45 PM
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Lol "have you ever seen men get this excited about a domestic violence case?" Well honey tell me when was the last time you had one of Hollywood's most profilic actors talking about being abused by his wife in court? Anyway, I feel like I must clarify. This lawsuit is about difamation, not domestic violence. Johnny will most likely lose it, and rightfully so, because his lawsuit makes no sense. EDIT: Also, and this is extremely important. Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are both extremely wealthy an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 06:14 PM
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I'm very much pro-choice but tbh I've read some of the conservative criticisms conservatives make of Roe v. Wade and I see a lot of merit in them. I generally agree with them that was a case of judicial activism and that their reasoning was pretty weak. I was quite shocked to find out the ammendment that supposedly gives American women the right to abortion is... the one about due process? Just to be clear I think women should have a right to abortion, and I think that those forced pregnancies p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 04:35 PM
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Kudos to her, that's quite brave to do tbh. For all their talk about intersectionalism and all the mental gymnastics they do to justify terrible behavior from women and queer people; I have noticed feminists tend to go very hard on women and queer people that disagree with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/22 07:34 PM
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The best examples are usually real things that actually happened. A friend of mine years ago complained about how pathetic MRA groups are, because they lock themselves in echo chambers where they talk shit about women, their stories and terrible ideas go unchallenged, everyone is just yes-manning them on their delusions and enabling their hateful behavior, and how they pretend like this is cathartic even though it's the very hatred they are willfully engaging on everyday that causes so much of t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/22 07:30 PM
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Yeah, things like this where what started to make me question feminism. So men interrupting women when they talk is an act of misogyny and hatred (instead of, say, poor etiquette because YES, men DO interrupt other men!), but women writing whole comedy routines about how terrible men are is not misandry because it's cathartic and a lot of women empathize with that? But when men do comedy routines about their wives that IS misogyny? While I do find rape to be misogynistic in essence and think tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/22 07:26 PM
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That's not really equivalent though, you're identifying people with a certain action (abusing children). People who abuse children can come from all walks of life. That's not the same as hating someone based on immutable characteristics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/22 07:12 PM
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I hate the term "toxic masculinity" just like everyone else, but I'd be careful about drawing comparisons like that. "Female hysteria" was an actual medical diagnosis for a long time and its "treatments" included things like exctracting the uterus and lobotomies. I see your general point but it's not an apples to apples comparison.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/22 12:21 AM
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Ok. Show me those examples.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 09:41 PM
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Could you define "louder"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 09:40 PM
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To be fair, it's not like he'd flatly admit he'd ban anyone who opposes him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 09:37 PM
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The divorce case and the media frenzy it caused were more likely to be known about than the op ed. How can you prove he lost fans because of that op ed and not the divorce? How can you prove Johnny Depp fans who were aware of the divorce case but still supported him stopped doing so after reading the op ed?
/r/MensRights27/04/22 09:35 PM
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Can you think of an argument for that or are you just assuming the lawyers will? If you pay a lawyer to defend you on court, they'll come up with something, because it's their job. That doesn't mean their argument is good in any way. If it should be "fairly easy" to show both then... can you provide an argument of causality? How did this op ed financially affect Johnny Depp in a way that he wasn't already affected before by the allegations made during the divorce?
/r/MensRights27/04/22 07:38 PM
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The people treating it like the fabric of the universe will unravel or be restored because of how Twitter works are amusing to me. I mean, twitter (and other sm platforms) played a huge role in spreading COVID misinformation, the capitol siege, and MeToo was literally a hashtag, among others. I haven't used twitter myself for years, but to pretend it's just another website at this point is being disingenuous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 05:32 AM
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It's midnight here and my internet isn't the best atm to be wasting time searching specific links, but I could try tomorrow if you want. But I imagine you could find some examples going through InitiatePenguin's comments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 04:13 AM
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I still think his lawyers should have a fairly easy time arguing that this negatively impacted his income though. Because of that specific op ed? Idts. Because of her allegations made during the divorce? Absolutely. There's no doubt in my mind about that. But those aren't the object of this case, and it was his decission to sue over that specific op ed. Even if the allegations are about the same thing, it doesn't matter. That op ed is what's being judged here. The fact the allegations are basica…
/r/MensRights27/04/22 04:11 AM
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Here's a series of articles talking about him being axed from Pirates or talking about his problematic behavior on set, all dated from before 12/18/2018 (the date her op ed came out). There's more articles, I'm just linking the first 4 google showed me. https://www.her.ie/celeb/johnny-depp-fired-pirates-of-the-caribbean-432862https://www.spinsouthwest.com/celeb/johnny-depp-apparently-fired-pirates-caribbean-139070 https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-reportedly-booted-from-pirates-o…
/r/MensRights27/04/22 03:00 AM
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This place is called left wing male advocates, but you get folks railing against anything "woke" as if that's not a term used by mainstream conservatives to paint any left-wing issue as radical. I agree with you in general that there's drawbacks to this sub just like any other, mainly that despite the sub's statement to not disagree with feminism's "genuinely egalitarian aspects", I've often seen some feminists making valid criticism get downvoted and replied to with a lot of hostility. Anyway, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 02:51 AM
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First of all, the object of this case is the op ed Amber Heard published on WaPo. I can't link it now because my internet is trash but you can look it up on google. This specific op ed is the object of the case, not any allegations Amber made prior or after that. This is what Johnny decided to sue her for. This is crucial and must be repeated to death. This is not a divorce. He's not suing for domestic abuse. He's suing for defamation, because of that specific op ed. That was his choice. The req…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 10:50 PM
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the trial is a defamation case over the op ed she wrote for WaPo in 2018 and he still hasn't delivered any concrete evidence that it was that op ed that cost him his jobs. Causality of damages is one of the hardest things to prove in defamation cases and one of the reasons they are most often lost. This isn't a domestic abuse trial. From what I've gathered the abuse was reciprocal and they already signed a document agreeing their relationship was very volatile. I empathize with Johnny's abuse, I…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 08:05 PM
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I mean, of course I'm gonna find pro-Amber content if I search for it.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 07:22 PM
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Yeah I've noticed that too. I know several women irl who are like crazy obssessed with Johnny Depp - 2 of them legit describe him as "their favorite movie genre". The guy isn't just a handsome Hollywood actor - there's something about his quirkiness and charisma that makes him particularly irresistible to many, many, many women. Of course a lot of people are willing to believe him and villify Amber. I legit can't think of a single other Hollywood actor that is as beloved and people (especially w…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 04:08 PM
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Amber Heard posts a heavily edited video of johnny depp angrily slamming cabinets and the entire world believes her I hardly use social media outside of reddit and the overwhelming majority of content I've seen related to this case is very pro-Johnny. all of Johnny's ex's all say that he was a very sweet and loving man he wasn't vilolent at all and heard has been convicted of domestic abuse in 2009 The victim of that alleged abuse has denied that story actually and she speaks positively of Amber…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 03:38 PM
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When I click on the title I'm linked to the Independen't Spanish site and I can't read anything specific. What is this article about?
/r/MensRights26/04/22 03:24 PM
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I'm confused. I think the second comic strip is obviously supposed to be ironic?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 06:33 AM
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I don’t know if much in the way of concrete alternatives were available if we’re looking at it in the context of a man looking to expose his experience with abuse. I wouldn't have sued for defamation. I would've written another op ed like Heard's detailing his side of the story and the consequences he perceives he's suffered because of it. He's Johnny fucking Depp, I'm sure there would be someone willing to give him a platform to write that. And if not, he could've... idk, made a youtube video o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 06:23 AM
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And even then some refuse to accept the idea that this is Depp trying to get justice for the abuse he suffered by saying things along the lines of “well it’s technically a defamation lawsuit and the concern is actually over him losing work thanks to the allegations.” As if somehow that then doesn’t tie back to Heard anyway because of her weaponising MeToo against him in the first place. Ok I guess I'll get downvoted for this but as a lawyer who has been reading the case recently I must say... De…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 05:09 AM
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Thanks for replying, since the thread was old I thought you wouldn't read maybe. What was this server for, specifically?
/r/EverydayMisandry25/04/22 03:17 AM
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Just wondering... what did men vent about in #men-vent? Because if it's the kinda space I think it is... I don't think that's a safe space for men at all...
/r/EverydayMisandry24/04/22 11:30 PM
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I used to feel bad about the shits they have to go through Trans women, just like trans men and everyone else, are not a monolith. Unfortunately censoriousness in the LGBT+ community is really rampant, a lot of queer people are militant as fuck and they ostracize queer people who disagree with them spiritually or politically just as terribly as small town conservatives would ostracize them for being queer. I hate this shit. I really, really do. I've started to hang out less in queer spaces for t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 10:38 PM
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Just dropping by to remind people to please NOT click on that article. Don't give them any clicks. The inflammatory language and headlines are all deliberate to lure you in just as much as the feminists. You know the shit it says. You know what to expect. Do NOT give them any clicks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/22 12:30 AM
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I've never been a fan of American comics but I've heard a lot of people say that sort of "woke" writing has ruined them in general. I've stopped watching American media for that same reason. I hate that preachiness. And I hate that people say it's that you hate "having the spotlight" removed from you. I'm neither white nor straight lol. I just hate the way Americans handle these topics and I find media from other countries much better at it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 03:15 PM
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I get that, but I already have somewhat of a reputation for being a messy bitch in those subs lol. Queer spaces are particularly gross about searching the depths of your comments to make you look messy in an argument, and tbh I think if they found out about my male advocacy I'd straight up get banned over whatever.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 06:31 AM
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After a long time avoiding it, at this boring easter afternoon I decided to do something I haven't done in a while: checking up celebrity gossip blogs. This is an awful habit I must drop. As some may know rumors emerged of ASAP Rocky cheating on a very pregnant Rihanna. The rumors came from some rando on twitter, and were published by The Sun. For those who aren't aware, The Sun is like the least reputable magazine on earth. They have no integrity and they will publish ANYTHING, credible sources…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 03:13 AM
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I feel you... After growing disillusioned with my feminist friends and feminism in general, I started dwelling into the "manosphere". It was not as terrible as they painted it, but I don't think its portrayal as a depressing place is without merit. The discussions you have here are often very frustrating and depressing to have, and let's be honest, there's a lot of cuckoos as well (as with every political ideology ever). I recommend taking breaks from time to time. As toxic as I find feminist sp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 03:07 AM
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This is why I use a separate account to post here and other subs. I feel cowardly for this at times, but I post in a lot of LGBT-centered subs on my main account and I know how they are... If they find out I'm a regular poster here I'll never see the end of it and I'll get bullied out of those subs. I hate how militant queer spaces have become. I hate that queer people are all about preaching about self-expression and being yourself, but disagree with them on political and spiritual matters, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 06:12 PM
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Here's Donald Trump's statement about the death of George Floyd. Should this lead me to conclude Donald Trump condemns police brutality and is a BLM ally who just disagrees on some aspects? Of course they are distancing themselves from this story. Only the most over the top and extremist people of any movement would flat-out defend attacking an innocent person for no reason. But analyzing if your misandrist propaganda and the paranoia you're spreading might've had anything to do with this takes …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 05:30 PM
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The other thing is the more you insist on demonizing men, the more you're normalizing it as well. You know how a lot of feminists defend their misandrist takes and jokes on the fact they are already stereotyped like that, and that making men comfortable is such a terrible burden for them saying shit like that is liberating? Well, same thing applies here - if men are stereotyped as being violent rapists no matter what we do, some will decide to just lean onto that stereotype, and they'll start se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 12:53 AM
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Could you ellaborate more? I do know of cases of anti-feminists that end up converting to it, but I'd say the opposite also happens quite a bit (I'm one of them). Funnily enough, most cases I know of feminists growing disillusioned with the movement and stop identifying with the label (or straight up go against it) are actually women lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 02:08 AM
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tr-nsm-n I legit had to google this and after coming up with no terms, I finally figured out you probably mean "trans men"? Why censor the vowels?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 06:50 PM
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But they seem to take a very GenZ approach to things and that's a bit out of my bag of tricks. What do you mean by this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 06:48 PM
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"If my brother was potentially accused of rape, I would believe the accuser since it's statistically more likely that he raped her". Imagine your own feminist sister saying that about yourself and then having the gall to say it's right-wing youtubers who are "radicalizing" you. It's feminists radicalizing young boys with all the misandrist bullshit they are always spouting on just about every media imaginable. The alt-right just comes and picks them up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 05:43 PM
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lmao. I learned about "weaponized incompetence" from The Simple Life - that '00s reality show with Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie. They didn't call it that, but there was one episode where they had to babysit a girl, and her parents asked her to do the dishes. Paris goes on and just wets them and leaves to dry greasy and everything. She then says "when your parents ask you to do these chores, just do them as bad as possible so they don't ask you again". I loved that show lol. Anyway... I hate th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 05:11 AM
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British press in general is pretty trash and their misandrist biases are so absurd it's like they are not even trying. That being said, I don't have trouble believing those women would get hordes of very inappropiate messages from lots of men. By "hordes" and "lots" I mean embarrasingly high numbers. I'm gay, most of my friends were women in college. I've been on the receiving end of those messages. I've seen my friends' phones with my own eyes. I know stating this makes a lot of men uncomfortab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/22 05:17 PM
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Could you provide the whole context of this article? If the article is about refugees, then pointing out most of them are women would be fair, as it's an observable fact. If it's about the war in general, and they are framing women as the main victims because they are most of the refugees, then that would apply. I must say, I'm really tired of this subject being brought up and the overall dismissive attitude I see from a lot of users regarding adressing the difficulties women are facing in this …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/22 05:11 PM
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Including myself, which is why I said their guidelines can be annoying to follow. But I have also come across some discussions that would've never seen the light of day in a feminist-dominated sub. I guess I should've clarified that - MensLib can be annoyingly censorious, but not as much as other feminist subs usually are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/22 02:15 AM
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The Guardian is so ridiculous about their misandrist bias it enters the realm of self-parody at times.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 10:28 PM
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But the only ethical solution is to work together to help men grow and meet the challenge. Making men more independent sexually and emotionally sounds like an ethical solution to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/22 03:23 AM
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I definitely took it that way. The worst is this was my college's therapist, because I didn't have the money to pay one myself. I waited 4 months for that session just to hear that. Idk what's worse - thinking that this is the type of treatment people who can't afford therapy should expect, or seeking solace in the fact I at least didn't pay to hear that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 06:36 PM
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Eh, yes. Yes there are. There are thousands of youtube channels, subreddits, media articles, etc. dedicated to demonizing and mocking men who don't want to be in relationships or have failed at establishing one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 05:52 PM
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a guy is the 'cool bachelor'. ... do you work in Hollywood or something? Your average Joe with a 9 to 5 job will most likely get mocked for not being married at 30. Afraid of commitment, too immature, probably gay, etc. All sorts of rumors start circulating about you. The image of the suave 30 sth bachelor that's too cool to get married is something that mostly exists in fiction or celebrity circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 04:17 PM
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Another example: even the fucking MENS RIGHTS sub is heavily anti men. What do you mean by this? Do you mean the feminists that constantly pop up in every thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 04:05 PM
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I think I know what you mean, but I'll ask anyway... which takes do you mean?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 02:09 PM
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Make sure to go to a male therapist if you’re able. It's not a gender thing, necessarily. I had an equally awful experience with a male therapist... completely dismissed everything I said, told me my suicidal ideation was just attention seeking, and that "men who are really suicidal don't talk about it and just do it".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/22 01:49 PM
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Just let your boy be and let him enjoy the things he enjoys. The most furious, loud, red-faced scoldings I got from my parents* were because I painted things pink, was caught watching America's Next Top Model or using female characters in video games. As a result of this, I never felt safe or comfortable in my own room. I had to watch TV and play video games with a lower volume so I could hear their footsteps if they were coming. I had to close windows and stare at my desktop, leading my dad to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 05:26 AM
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I hate #NotAllMen. It should be #MostMenDont. This is such an exhausting discussion to have, because they keep argumenting that they MUST blame men and not some abstract concept like "patriarchy" or "rapists". If you keep talking shit about men, it's gonna become increasingly difficult to support your movement and believe you when you say this is supposed to benefit us as well. It's so funny how language matters so much to feminists. I don't think there's a single other doctrine in history that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 07:09 PM
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He made a mild joke about Jada, I'm really tired of this whole situation and don't want to discuss it any further, but to be fair, Jada's pretty outspoken about her struggles with alopecia, and in general I don't think it's cool to make jokes involving others' medical conditions. Was Chris Rock aware that Jada had alopecia? Well, we don't know, but Will's reaction aside, I do think Jada had every right to be bothered. She isn't bald by choice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 11:04 PM
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It is, especially considering higher education in my country is some of the most expensive in the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 08:38 PM
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And what makes this truly terrifying is the USA is still the world's #1 culture exporter. We already saw what happened when Trump was elected, and all the copycats that came after. I'm really worried about how much my country is adopting woke culture, despite having literally nothing to do with the USA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 07:32 PM
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English isn't my first language and I struggled to write this. Sorry for the vocabulary. Every semester my college does an "expulsion" process where all the students that have had low enough grades according to some metrics they have, have to write an appeal. College was the worst time of my life (for a multitude of reasons), and I found myself in this situation many times. This made me notice 2 things. First, that the people who find themselves in this situation are overwhelmingly male. Second,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 07:20 PM
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If women took equally as many risks they would probably be victimized just as much if not more on crimes that don’t involve rape. I am honestly not so convinced by that. Women are more likely to report crimes, and usually are more aware when they walk the streets. In crimes like robberies, physical strength is irrelevant - your muscle and height won't mean much if you have a gun against your back. I'm South American, grew up in a rough hood, I'm currently attending law school and did some crimin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 06:03 PM
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I remember having some heated discussions with friends over this. I kept telling them men will never, ever buy that "feminism is for everyone" and that "Patriarchy affects you too" if the same people delivering that message are constantly justifying their hatred for men, wishing death upon us, and making "jokes"* about killing us. Then they say, feminism is not about making us comfortable, and having to constantly appeal to men's emotions would be falling under "patriarchal" norms again. Which..…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 05:50 PM
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Their argument is the fear of rape extends to fear of every other crime, which is like... well, ok. Then you bring up men are more likely (or a lot more likely) to be victims of just about any other non-sexual crime. Then they say, "that's not because they are men, that's because women are taking the precautions. It's because women don't go out at night that they aren't victims of those crimes". And, you know... That's a solid argument, actually. Except, suddenly, this whole narrative of "let's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 05:42 PM
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Yeah and it took no less than searching lines from a TV show from the '50s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/22 05:37 PM
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How much time and money do you spend on grooming?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/22 06:38 PM
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Everyone in this sub should start paying attention to Spain tbh. It's a perfect example of what happens when you let feminism take over the left - you have a lot of leftist men either leaving their support or straight up moving to the right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/22 06:06 PM
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But the "scientific" research is extremely misandrist, gets very slowly debunked and as soon as it is debunked it gets replaced by more misandrist "science" that supports misandrist ideology. Often times trying to keep using the same words but with new definitions. Thereby enabling those at upper levels to keep spewing their misandrist nonsense that even the people at the bottom would agree, when cornered, that it is nonsense. But they will do everything they can to avoid saying outright. I rece…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/22 05:53 PM
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Well as a gay man I'd say no, definitely not. That's not good for me, personally. Daniel Jimenez identified this as one of the big challenges the men's movement would have going ahead - trying to harmonize the interests of the more conservative, right-wing branch of the movement (which seeks to keep traditional gender roles) with the more progressive and left-wing branch of the movement (which is more challenging of them). I'm of a "live and let live" approach. You don't bother me, and I won't d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/22 03:47 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with being cautious, but the title sounds rather exaggerated. I don't think we've progressed to that point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 11:30 PM
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I wish I could quote the comment I read once on this, but some dude once explained my feeling on the matter very well. He was actually talking about the KillAllMen hashtags and this sort of misandrist things you always see popping up in social media, but the same principle applies. Basically, he said that by complaining too much or too loudly about it, you're still giving them relevance. That it's best to walk away and let these things fade into irrelevance. Like, facebook was the most important…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 08:44 PM
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but the title just rubbed me the wrong way, even though it’s extremely vague. Imagine that, nowadays people simply read the word "men" and immediately attach negativity to it. Misandry isn't real at all. No, no, no.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 11:00 PM
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Not surprised at all. Stopped consuming American media for years now because I'm done with their woke bullshit. I knew what the movie would be about when I read the title. It'd be hilarious, if it weren't so preoccupying, how feminists have so negatively loaded the word "men". Do you think that films or other instances of media like this are worth addressing at all, or should we be maintaining our focus on systemic and social issues? I don't think there's anything wrong with adressing it, but it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 10:25 PM
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Imagine being so entitled you expect complete strangers in the street to put their lives at risk for you (I'm refering to the woman writing, not the one from the story). As for calling the cops... I guess it could've been a good gesture, but honestly, it's not uncommon for cops to show up and only make things worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 06:30 PM
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Shit like that is why I'm thankful to be gay. My friends used to be like that all the time, making all sorts of exaggerated claims after they had some minor disagreement with their boyfriends. "I feel betrayed" "I feel like I can't trust him anymore" etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 06:28 PM
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There's plenty of people willing to empathize with men, you just have to go look for them outside of woke feminist circles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 12:45 PM
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Damn, I relate to so much of this comment, but this particularly hits the nail in the head: There is like a branching happening between the gay (male community) and the queer (alternative/non-binary/mostly female but not necessarily) community. From what I can gather, the "queer" community reproaches the gay one to be so normative and non-inclusive, which is ironical because as far as I can tell it's the "queers" I see all the time bitching about the "gays" and driving them away whilst not the o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/22 12:37 AM
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LOTS of queer folk feel this way. I remember last year a cis woman competed on Drag Race UK, and every gay man who had a problem with it was dragged to oblivion and called a mysoginist. Some guy tweeted sth about hating men that take all their straight gfs to the club, like 14 queens chimed in to drag him. Even though this is a VERY common complaint gay men have with clubs nowadays. I remember one time on r/RPDRDrama* there was a thread complaining about some dumb joke a pair of queens made on t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 11:54 PM
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My college implemented unisex bathrooms (they call it "non-binary" bathrooms) a few years after I graduated. Idk how it's going, but tbh, I did go there a few weeks ago and the bathrooms looked much better and more private lol. I also heard that bathrooms are cleaner now. I don't have a problem with it, I mean most bathrooms you've used in your life were probably shared with women anyway right? For prisons though... That's just kinda dumb, isn't it? Male prisoners outnumber the women by a lot. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 11:33 PM
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I'm gay and I have definitely seen this a lot. It's one of the reasons I've kinda strayed away from the "community" - as in, I still have plenty of queer friends I see often, but I rarely go to parties or pride or big gatherings. Oh, and I mostly avoid online gay spaces like the plague. Though tbh misandry is just one of many problems I have with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 03:19 AM
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Idk if that's really an apples to apples comparison, considering the Democrat party is an institution with formal requirements to be a part of. Both Krysten Sinema and AOC are objectively members of the Democratic party, because they are both registered as such an ran their campaigns as such. Whether we consider Sinema a "moderate leftist" or a "moderate rightist in disguise" is a more subjective matter, but objectively speaking she is a Democrat and not a Republican.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/22 04:28 PM
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One feminist buzzword I do find useful is "hegemonic masculinity". This refers to whatever type of masculinity is more socially acceptable and rewarded at the time. For hegemonic masculinity to work, men who don't fit that standard have to be shamed for it. I can see the tide is starting to shift so that "traditional" masculinity is in the bottom, and a "new" "feminist" masculinity is the hegemonic one. You can already see this in the examples you listed, where men who oppose feminism are often …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 07:25 PM
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As a lawyer this is a pretty annoying topic to discuss, because the discussion is so often about how "women are not believed", but it turns out men accusing other men or women of the same thing don't have better luck, or have it even worse. Idk if it's the same in the USA but I'd guess so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:36 PM
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Is this a thing in Western games? Genuine question, I've only played Japanese games for most of my life, and the very few times I play a Western game it's sth like Crash Bandicoot or Spyro (as in, a nostalgia thing that barely has a story). It's definitely a thing in other Western media (movies, TV, and ESPECIALLY magazines and newspapers) so I guess it wouldn't be too surprising.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:31 PM
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When you realise none of the things they listed were a counterargument to what was being said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:28 PM
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I think I'll make a post one day about all the things that made me stray away from feminism, but this was one of them. That it reminded me of dealing with my abusive mom, in the sense they are never satisfied and they'll always find a problem with whatever you do just because you're a man. Another and even more egregious example comes regarding talking about feminism itself. Men who speak against feminism are raging misogynists who are afraid to lose their privileges. Men who remain quiet are si…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 01:44 PM
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And every single time I bring this up people in leftist circles roll their eyes at me and tell me it's just because "men don't understand, it's not an attack against them". I would've went to the right if I hadn't appropiately identified my problem with leftism was really just the pervasiveness of wokeness. The more the left insists on demonizing men and masculinity, the truer the right's points about the "siege on masculinity" start to ring.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 01:33 PM
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Jail time sounds a bit ridiculous. As a gay man I've been on the receiving end of unsolicited dick pics and, yeah, it's never ever cool, and I think it's cool that there's pushback against it. But jail time, or even having a law about it, just reeks of populism to me. Exhibitionism is already a crime in many places, isn't this just another form of that? On the other hand, this messages can just be deleted and their profiles blocked. It's annoying, and I'm all for these men facing some sort of pu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/22 06:51 PM
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One thing I’ve never understood why gay specific communities on Reddit are very pro feminism. They seem to deny misandry and instead label everything as misogyny. Woke culture (in general, not just feminism) has absolutely destroyed gay spaces. Gays don't like anything more than dragging other gays through the mud, and cancel parties and woke lynchings have become the perfect opportunity for them to bully each other while pretending to be just and righteous for it. One thing I hate about being g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/22 04:06 PM
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I definitely think you're onto something, especially about the need to put counter-narratives out there and call out how damaging this is. I used to be a feminist so I believed that it really was straight men ruining the whole world for everyone. It took me a while to realize it was more complex than that, that literally every fascist dictator I used to quote as an example of toxic male leadership had a big contingent of female supporters, that some of the most sexist societies on earth are also…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/22 07:38 PM
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Oh yeah, I recently read a book by Christina Hoff Sommers that talked about that same thing - the comparisons to Christianity and masculinity as the original sin. I don't remember very well what it said but I'll go check. Fun fact: This book was published in the '90s, almost 3 decades ago. It was really shocking seeing how much more prevalent this brand of feminism she was calling out has become.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/22 07:13 PM
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A good blog I read once made a comparison between this whole "new masculinities" education thing and the reeducation programs from Maoist China. Once you leave aside the very obvious (and important) diffence - that this doesn't happen in a dictatorship where men were coerced to do it - the similarities are quite shocking. In particular, one point that caught my mind was how in Maoist China, there was so much emphasis on having these men betray their friends and relatives and snitch on them. Isn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/22 05:52 PM
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I've been speaking for years about how much of a problem this is becoming. I've read a lot of men from Spain, a country that has become kinda infamous for its ridiculous anti-male laws, have gone from being historical left voters to simply not voting or considering the right. I couldn't and wouldn't vote for the right, but they are the ones admitting this problem exists and they are the ones trying to appeal to men. Are they honest about anything? Maybe not, but they try to make themselves appea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/22 05:35 PM
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My ex would pull the "god men are so fucking fragile" card anytime I got upset about something she thought I shouldn't care about. Yeah my friends used to say this a lot too in our whatsapp groups, and it always bothered me. They literally spent ALL DAY, EVERYDAY complaining about things on this whatsapp group, but their boyfriends get bothered by 1 thing and it's fragile masculinity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/22 03:57 PM
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I stopped visiting r/MensRights too because there were too many loonies there. Some great discussions pop up here and there, some great articles are shared, etc. But there are moments that are just too much for me (too mysoginistic, too hateful, too delusional), and I can't in good faith criticize feminism while acting the fool about that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/22 04:16 PM
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As a gay man one trope I've always hated is that awful shitty men are closeted homophobes. Can't count the number of times I've read people insinuate dictators and the like become twisted like that out of their repressed homosexualities.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 01:40 PM
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It's crazy how long this has been going on. The other day I read this book called "No More Mr. Nice Guy" (great book btw). One of its opening lines was sth like "This book is unapologetically pro-male. Contrary to what society wants you to believe, it's actually ok to be a man". This book was published in like 2002. I also saw this video of Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers where they talk about the current state of feminism and how everything they were criticizing and calling out in the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 06:36 PM
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I don't think this is a fair generalization, considering the BLM movement was started by black women too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 01:59 PM
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Idk if you're being legitimately confused or just disingenuous. Do you think people here think sexual harrassment is ok and necessary for survival? That there isn't a distinction between that and regular philandering/flirting? Could you link specifically to the comment that said this sort of thing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 01:54 PM
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I am confused by this comment. What exactly do you think people are defending on this sub?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 01:05 PM
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Advert pissed me off when i saw it, i dont watch much normal tv these days, it seems its impossible to get away from the 'all men are evil, women are superior in every way' message even when im watching the chase ffs Same. I'm kinda done with Western media in general, particularly American TV, for this exact reason. This video explains it all perfectly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/22 10:33 PM
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I'm not from the UK but I definitely noticed this in the internet. Some right-wing podcaster from my country once said something like "When the right complains about crimes and economic crisis, we call it a "terror campaign", and it's manipulative. When the left complains about femicides, we call it "raising awareness", and you're a douchebag if you disagree". Can't say I don't understand his point, tbh.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/22 10:22 PM
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Look man, I'll put it like this. Every single corner of the internet is an echo chamber. Every single one. This sub is no different. I do have some problems with this sub, including the over-emphasis on criticizing feminism. I don't like feminism either, but I don't think having the same discussion a million times about any topic is productive. That being said, after many, many years of putting up with the bullshit of feminist echo chambers, I appreciate having a little space to vent. If you're …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 07:09 PM
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Yeah. This sub talks a lot about how that tradcon brand of male advocacy doesn't really work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:12 PM
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Women aren't to blame for men being disproportionately homeless any more than men are. Why do you keep making this point when absolutely no one is blaming women for that? But men were totally to blame for women not being able to vote, because at the time they had full authority. These generalizations are one of the problems I have with feminism... Like you already conceded most men couldn't vote at the time, and even if they could vote the ones exerting that political power (the elected politici…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 05:47 PM
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I'm always a little confused when I read men saying they've never encountered the most radical branches of feminism irl. I stopped identifying as a feminist because I had trouble finding feminists who actually weren't like that. I always wonder if this has to do with them being straight and not being familiar with the discussions women have behind closed doors? I do agree with you as a whole that centering your movement around anti-feminism isn't the best course of action, and yeah, I also agree…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 02:15 PM
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Wow... I never looked at it that way, but you're right. In school I was bullied a lot (by guys), so my female friends being friends felt like they were huge supporters. But yeah, being someone's friend isn't a favor. They had their own brand of homophobia anyway. My friends would mock me whenever I acted more masculine than I was supposed to, doing hyper-masculine macho things like... Wearing a baseball cap backwards, enjoying Dragon Ball, or speaking in friendly terms with the guys that didn't …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 10:30 PM
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I detest it. I used to be one of those gays. I wasn't just gay, but I've always been a little quirky and struggled with social anxiety. I felt like a pug. Like my friends loved me, but because I was this really weird failure of a creature. It was a condescending kind of love. To be clear, I'm still friends with them because I don't think they are necessarily bad people. It's hard to explain. But I always felt like I was some kind of joke. For example, one day we were caught stealing at a superma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/22 05:00 PM
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But mostly, I am fucking tired of being called "not really a man" as if it was a compliment, yet whenever there's need of a white knight, whenever I'm expected to "sit back and listen", whenever I have emotions that are not comfortable for others, suddenly I am a man after all. The identitarian left is treating us as accessories. This so much. So fucking much. My overwhelming experience in feminist circles is that gay men (and, to an extent, male victims of sexual abuse) only exist as a countera…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/22 04:54 PM
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People are just growing disillusioned and/or exhausted by woke mobs. I say that as someone who used to be a part of them. You can see it in the numbers. Overtly-woke series and movies consistently underperform commercially. In the year when COVID and the George Floyd protests happened, Donald Trump lost in a rather tight election, winning support from every demographic except white men. These woke mobs claim to speak for all minorities but it looks like these very minorities are not really feeli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 12:11 AM
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Male feminists are some of the worst hypocrites in the world. Starting with how god damn common it is for these fuckers to end up being accused of sexual harrassment lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/22 11:29 PM
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We have no way to tell they are real or not. I made the terrible mistake of actually reading it and what made me raise an eyebrow was the fact they preceded their story with the point they were trying to make - that men kill themselves for an environment we created themselves. That usually makes me wary of stories I read on reddit. When you start a new post telling a personal story trying to prove a point. It's not just about this experience you're trying to get out - it's about a political poin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/22 11:26 PM
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Movement, community, you get the drift. I'm cool with the lifestyle in theory. Hell I live like that myself in a way. It's just I have a very hard time relating to the overwhelming majority of the MGTOW content I've seen online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/22 01:42 PM
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I don't have a problem with the MGTOW lifestyle in theory (I kinda live like that?) but I do have a problem with the movement - mainly because of its rampant misogyny. It was really a struggle for me to find any MGTOW content that doesn't revolve around hating women and relationships with them as a whole. Of course men are allowed to have this discussion, but there comes a point I start wondering... is this really all there is to your movement? I don't think there's necessarily something wrong w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/22 12:02 AM
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That's truly frightening. As a queer kid, in school I got to be more effeminate (in that kinda cringey, gay-as-a-personality kinda way) because of many reasons, but mainly that I was surrounded by kids my age who weren't as homophobic as my parents. As I'm sure a lot of queer folk going through that sort of situation can attest - the idea that your parents could catch me being all fruity was absolutely terrifying. And also, this is about kindergarten kids and toddlers? As in... children that hav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 04:15 AM
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this is why I haven’t had anything to do with the mainstream press in years. It’s not really a conscious effort it’s just that a value their perspective so little that I can’t be bothered to read them. I stopped consuming American media in general years ago. Movies, series, news sites, etc. All that woke madness has truly ruined everything, and I don't think conservative sites spouting far-fetched conspiracies are a better alternative. I still consume some stuff here and there (it's unavoidable,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 04:04 AM
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In this video Hoff-Summers and Paglia do a takedown of many, many issues concerning the current state of feminism. It's intimidatingly long, but trust me, you'll get hooked. These women have plenty of experience working on feminist academia from the inside, and it shows. I particularly liked the part where they talk about these "safe spaces" and intersectionality and how regressive they actually are. Really, just watch it. I'm not even done watching yet but felt the need to share. It's really re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 03:59 AM
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What child abuser? I'm unfamiliar with this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/22 02:46 PM
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Same tbh. Men acting the fools about housechores is most definitely a pattern I've noticed. All of them? No. But enough to notice a pattern. I've known women like that, too, but it's usually just rich women who grew up with maids, while with men it's seen across the whole economic spectrum. And I've also noticed a lot of them seem to get really mad when called out on it. Idk about kids but when it comes to housechores I can understand the frustration.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/22 01:23 AM
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I dont wanna start a flaming war with feminists on reddit over a literal war that's going on somewhere else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 05:24 PM
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I'm South American. I dont feel right using this tragedy for hot takes and shit. It doesnt affect me like that. It doesnt sit right with me to be like "why are we paying attention to the women?!?" when they are obviously having a horrible time trying to run away from war. Worrying about how war affects everyone instead of turning it into a competition sounds like an egalitarian value to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 04:09 PM
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He's a Christian and a conservative with right wing values and some academic cred. He's more eloquent than your average tradcon but that's it. I'm not a huge fan of the guy but I think a lot of leftists aren't really aware that the more they whine about him, the more appealing he becomes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 04:06 PM
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They are turning it into a self-fulfilling prophecy by this point. JP causes terror in a lot of leftist circles and that's why his fans love him. The more terrified you are of him, the more messiah like he becomes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 11:32 AM
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Men are forbidden to leave their country so they fight an invasion by an army several times their size, women most affected... But really though, war is hell for everyone some way or another. Ukranian women are surely in no enviable position rn.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 12:58 AM
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I think women getting more starring roles and more pressence in this type of films is ok. I don't just support it, but I like it. What I can do without are all those misandrist jokes and characters that would never make it past the editor's room if the genders were reversed. Anyway, I must say, while I'm pretty annoyed by American media and stopped watching because of how pervasive and annoying the whole wokeness thing is... It's not really an issue, imo. We're all spoiled with options for enter…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:47 AM
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Well to be fair, X-2 is consistently mocked as being one of the worst titles in the series. X-2 also came out in like 2003, when the internet was at a completely different stage from what it is now when XV came out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 12:42 AM
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You can’t just log off and escape it, either. Idk if this is a thing everywhere else, but my country had a huge protest 2 years ago (against neoliberalism and a series of crappy govts). Feminists then turned this into a feminist protest as well (after some stories came out about police officers sexually abusing protesters) and you can find a lot of misandrist messages on the streets ("abort the male", "dead males don't rape", "men are done", etc.). And I guess we've all seen how very mainstream …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 12:56 AM
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Well I know several women irl who endlessly talk about how much they are victimized and how oppressed they are by the patriarchy. They were my friends from school. They all went to college. Most of them were much richer than me. Almost all of them had college paid for by their parents (in my country higher education is prohibitively expensive for most people). They are all "white" (in quotations because racial dynamics are different in Latin America). All of them but one came from fairly functio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 12:49 AM
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I'm not American - what's everyone's problem with Andrew Yang? I only heard about him when that article came out sometime ago talking about this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/22 07:12 PM
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You assume the former is the case. Why? Because I have never in my life met a single person - male or female - who has claimed to be turned on by that kind of agressive sexuality out of the blue, unless they were specifically participating in a S&M community or something of the sort, which is clearly not the case with Tinder. Women in particular seem to be turned off by this, judging by the mountains of posts and comments they've made on the internet making fun or expressing disgust at such inte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/22 03:03 PM
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I have no idea why they do it, but I've literally not known a single person who is into that (as in, getting sexually aggressive before you even exchange hellos) and they were DEFINITELY not "top percent". They were good looking enough to swipe right and that's it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/22 07:22 AM
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I think it's about changing the narrative about how and why consent is taught. It's not about "this is how consent works, so you stop raping" but "this is how consent works, so you be aware too if you're wronged in some way". Men don't grow up fearing sexual assault the way women do. A lot of men are raped or sexually assaulted and don't even realize it was that until many years later. It's not just about being scared or feeling like less of a man for speaking up - sometimes they aren't even awa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 07:49 PM
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In my experience it's just used to lure in minorities into feminism. Feminism is an academic movement, and in many countries, academic achievement is an upper class privilege. Ivy-League educated, white, rich American women are literally some of the most privileged people on Earth. If they want to be taken seriously when talking about oppression, they kinda have to be talking about other people's experiences. As a young gay kid that was a victim of bullying and abuse by classmates and a father t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 07:42 PM
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i think some people are so terrified of "the friend zone" that they forget how incredibly off-putting it can be for a complete stranger to be sexually aggressive. This so much, especially the "sexually aggressive" part. That's a good term. And it's disturbing how common it is. I don't understand how so many guys seem to think demanding a pic of your asshole is an appropiate follow up to "hey there".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 05:41 PM
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What other discussions do you deem necessary? Some examples: How underreported is sexual abuse among boys and men? What can we do to get more accurate reports? What specific needs do male victims of sexual abuse have that female victims don't, or viceversa? What form of domestic violence is most common among male victims? How should their shelters be like, accomodating that? What legal, economic, etc. boundaries would we encounter if we were to make a shelter? What can we do to reduce the horrif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 05:23 PM
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... ok, I'm interested. Please ellaborate. Especially because the main reason I had to leave a lot of MRA spaces was precisely because "activism" and "action" was something I was seeing very little of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 04:12 PM
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Online dating culture is really terrible. I understand both sides of the problem, dating as a man and dating men. Him: Hey Me: Hey Him: You're cute Me: Thanks, u too Him: I wanna baptise your face in cum and see you smile like that while I make you eat from my fingers. I can assure you every single person who has dated men online can attest this kind of interaction is terrifyingly common. This doesn't just happen in horny gay chatrooms. Even if I specify I'm looking for something deeper and not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 04:10 PM
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The discussion is inevitable and necessary, but sometimes I have to wonder how much space it takes from other necessary discussions. "Raising awareness" is an interesting concept to use. What are we becoming aware of that we weren't already? And yeah this sub does enforce that rule, which I appreciate. I guess I should've said that in my comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 12:29 PM
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Men dont have to identify as MRAs in order to have misogynist values. Patriarchy has brought over all the misogynist laws and biased privileges in favor of men, and they are happy to use these privileges against women when needed. Infuriating, right? That's how it reads. I dont want to fall into the things I criticize.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 12:18 PM
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when people go the “eh it all turns into incel shit” Never mentioned incels. Just that spaces like this often turn into anti-feminist circle jerks. Which I explicitly said I don't have a problem with. The reason why anti feminism comes up a lot is because there is no where else to publicly criticize it. Yeah. I explicitly said that in my comment. most of the feminists are women Are all women feminists? A sizeable majority of them, even? You have 0 knowledge whether your observations and opinions…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/22 11:30 PM
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Eh I'm just gonna be real here, a lot of forums like this end up being anti-feminist circlejerks. This sub isn't an exception. There's a lot of posts in the front page complaining about feminism. Now, is this bad? Not really, imo. I don't have a problem with it. I have my problems with feminism and I don't have much spaces to discuss them. The larger spaces you can discuss this at are right-leaning, so taking anti-feminist stances comes with dealing with a lot of other shit from them. This sub a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/22 08:37 PM
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I cant remember if he used the words "oppression" and "privilege" like that. That was my word choice, not his. I summed up a book of >1000 pages on 3 paragraphs. I recommend reading his work. I think you'd agree with him on most things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/22 12:46 PM
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I don't think his work has been translated, unfortunately :(. He has a blog, though. You can translate it on chrome I guess to get a grasp of what he's saying: https://hombresgeneroydebatecritico.wordpress.com/ I particularly recommend this entry, "the empty promise of male deconstruction". https://hombresgeneroydebatecritico.wordpress.com/2021/09/12/la-promesa-vacia-de-la-deconstruccion-masculina/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/22 12:49 AM
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My thoughts on him are similar to what I think about Warren Farrell. I don't completely agree with everything he says, but I appreciate that he's actually writing and having this discussion. We need that. JP is a tradcon but at least he's not some triggered incel with poor grammar making absurd claims he clearly hasn't stopped to think about. And if you've spent time in MRA circles then you'd be perfectly aware this is, unfortunately, a very common thing. If any of you speak spanish I recommend …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/22 12:45 AM
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Just ignore them. No one will benefit from that discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/22 12:15 AM
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Men around my age (30) grew up getting told our time is over and then people act surprised when it has an effect. This is such a good point and the reason I'm terrified of what the future holds for everyone in the USA. If there's one contradiction in feminism that really drives me insane, is their ability to demonize men and masculinity as the most disgusting of all evils and then simulatenously underestimate just how much damage men can do when you push them to the limit. Boys and young men are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/22 09:54 PM
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This is all anecdotal, but with men, my above preferences for our time are typically universally understood and respected, and we either click, or we don't. You occasionally run into those giga-horny-grindr-types but they reveal themselves typically before you make the mistake of meeting them irl, so most first dates with guys are just a vibe. Yep. I date men and these are my thoughts as well. Look, I'll be very blunt about this - when women complain about men being socially crippled and inappro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/22 09:11 PM
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Dude I literally just talked about this on the AskMen subreddit. If there's one tip I can give as a gay man to straight men is be aware everything your gf/wife knows about you, her friends know as well. EVERYTHING. If you sent her a dick pic at some point there's a 90% chance she shared it with them. I've seen plenty of those dick pics myself and I laughed and made jokes about them. I was like that but I've moved on. Not all women are like this obviously, but it's very, very much a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/22 11:55 PM
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Spare yourself from reading the comments on that. I know you're probably more tempted to do so now but really just don't. Don't ruin your day like that. Go watch a cute cat video or whatever you're into instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/22 04:37 AM
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It just baffles my mind that so many male advocates think that sub is good. I think they are just more casual users... I do think good discussions pop up on MensLib from time to time, but there's too much misandrist nonsense and despot modding over there for me to become a regular user. And the rules are just exhausting, it simply makes no sense to me that a sub about men's issues polices men more harshly for making generalisations and using harsh language against feminists, than feminists for m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/22 12:44 PM
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"men's liberation through self flagellation" lol, what an appropiate way to describe that sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/22 12:33 PM
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Yeah everything went to shit after Trump. It became infuriating to see how insistent so many people were on painting that issue as straight white men vs. everyone else. Political discourse everywhere started becoming really poor and focused on identity politics more than anything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/22 12:29 PM
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It's best if we don't supply the enemy with ammunition to use against us, and avoid summoning the demon that ate the soul of the "good feminism," i.e., police our own, admit that women's issues are real too. Kinda old thread but I agree with this. I hate to be this guy but let's be real here: misogyny among male-advocating spaces is a very real thing, and most of the time I don't see much effort to call it out. If we want to show male advocacy is not about hating women, we could start by making …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/22 01:14 PM
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Eh, I'm not American, but I'd say this whole thing definitely began a lot earlier than 2020. I started noticing in the early 2010s, with the growth of social media, but it started becoming really pervasive around 2016 with Trump's campaign and eventual win. It's like Trump became to symbolize and represent every male leader ever. And, unfortunately, because Trump is American, and Americans hold much more cultural power over the world than they should, copycats started to appear all over the worl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/22 01:04 PM
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I think he's eloquent in a way that makes people believe he's saying some revelatory, mind-blowing information when he's just stating rather obvious things. I'm admitedly not that familiar with him, but I don't get where the hate comes from either? I found out he existed because I kept reading about how "dangerous" his following is becoming, but then I read what he was saying and I was like... I am not finding anything here that sounds particularly out of left field? I'm not a fan of the guy, he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 04:23 PM
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I think limiting it to "rape" and court cases can be counterproductive. Nowadays the type of accusations most guys refer and are worried about happen within workplaces, college campuses, schools, etc. They aren't legal procedures.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 03:48 AM
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This checks tbh, on my last year of college they asked us to take a "gender relations" study which was worded in such a ridiculous way. Like, the "woke" alternative was worded in a very rational way while the other alternatives sounded really stupid and rude. It was very obvious what the "correct" answer was supposed to be. Unlike this one though we didn't really receive any sort of punishments for answering one way or another. It was anonymous, after all. But I was just shocked by how stupid th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 03:43 AM
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Honestly this. Online publications nowadays seek to write deliberately enfuriating articles because rage-bait gets them lots of clicks and that's what it's all about nowadays. Ironically, I found out about this after reading this extremely misandrist article on The Cut. It was something called like "Ask Polly", there was this woman asking how could she get past her hatred of men so she could enjoy dates more. The author's answer was sth like "most men are terrible, they are weak useless trash, t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/22 12:22 AM
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Wow this was so uncomfortable to read. Absolutely disgusting. Poor boy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 01:06 PM
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Ok so men die younger because toxic masculinity teaches us that going to the doctor is weak so we just have to man up and take it, but toxic masculinity also teaches us that we're helpless twats and that when we have a common flu we have to exaggerate our symptoms so everyone can help us. Cool, makes a lot of sense. Judging by the ammount of medical leaves a lot of my female coworkers have taken in literally every job I've had, if there's a gender that likes to exaggerate and make up illnesses t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 12:31 AM
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I think it was deleted lmao of course it was.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 12:24 AM
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Oh could you link that? I'd love to read it. Some weeks ago some random gay tweeted something like "For all the gays that bring your straight friends to the club, just know we all hate you" and then a bunch of RPDR queens started dragging him to hell and back. Obviously, the queens would react like this. Women outnumber gay men by a lot, so it's not like these queens can afford to alienate that fanbase. This is kind of an open secret in the gay community - a lot of gays are scared of saying this…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 11:32 PM
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Yeah, I remember there's this trans youtuber called ContraPoints that made a video once about how these super-progressive circles can go all the way round into becoming more uncomfortable for LGBT people. Like she said she could go to a random bar in Alabama and everyone just called her "Miss" and there wasn't any big deal to make about anything, but she'd go to progressive college circles and there'd be this awkward circle going through everyone's pronouns... I've definitely felt like that, lik…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 08:39 PM
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Well tbh I read bara like I watch porn lmao. I just wanna see hot muscle guys fucking, I can't care less about the story. I don't even understand the language they are written in most of the time lol. I suppose there's some non-cringey material out there but I'm not interested in it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 06:29 PM
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One girl from my hometown even went so far as to give me a drag name that on separate occasions was repeated by other friends from my hometown. OMFG. A similar thing happened to me. My group of friends at some point thought it was funny to feminize my name and call me with female pronouns. I didn't care, I thought it was funny as an inside joke or something. But it wasn't an inside joke. I then started noticing this is what they called me in front of everyone. Straight guys, their parents, all t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 06:25 PM
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Welp... I'm a bara fan lol. My experience with the yaoi community has made me a bit wary of the way a lot of women fetishize gay men and male emotions in general. It's frustrating, because they will claim to be your fiercest allies... But then you bring up something like gay clubs feeling more like havens for straight women than gay men, and now you're a gatekeeper and an opressor and in come the 3903 hot takes about how gay men are still men and terrible mysoginists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 12:33 PM
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That would be most countries outside of the first world tbh. And even first world countries have some shady places I wouldn't like to be alone at by night.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 04:34 AM
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For example, men being raised in ways that don't foster being in touch with one's emotions, to "look tough" or "be a man" etc. Jesus proposed that we create a peaceful world where we all love thy neighbors and we condemn violence and are more charitable with each other and we all know how that ended. Blaming crime and violence on "toxic masculinity" ignores the entire social context this violence happens in. Take Japan for example - sexist eastern society, known worldwide for producing media tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 04:09 AM
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We are social animals, and there is a lot one can get out of a good relationship. Such as what? Is it anything you can't replace with solid friendships or other type of relationships? There's the sex, I guess, but then again, is having a relationship a guarantee you'll be sexually satisfied? And having a relationship also comes with a lot of potential problems. I'm not trying to demonize relationships here. If people want one or are happy in one, good! I'm just saying, there's plenty of people t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 02:15 AM
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I still like and hang out with these friends, just not in groups. If we speak one on one we can listen to each other's troubles and they give good advice and it's empathetic and everything. But I feel like, for the past years, it's literally impossible for a group of 6+ of them to get together and the discussion not turning into man-hating blabber. I'm hanging out with more straight guys too lately, mostly through my geeky hobbies. As I said I do wish I could have deeper discussions with them so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 07:35 PM
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If I know both people extremely well, I'll consider weighing in with my perception, but only if I am asked directly, and I trust both people involved to respect me for what I have to say. Same. Everyone is a biased narrator. If people ask me for advice and idk their partner I just give general adivce, like "don't be scared of breaking up if you're not into it anymore" or "don't make yourself feel like your boundaries matter less than theirs". I think it's very toxic when people start making assu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 07:28 PM
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I don't think there needs to be a word for it. "It hasn't happened for me yet" is enough, imo. It would be good if people removed the stigma from it, though. I lost my virginity late in life, and to be completely honest with you, what made me feel terrible wasn't so much the lack of sex, but this feeling like I was a "ticking bomb". Whenever I got mad, there was this voice in the back of my head telling me my anger was a product of my "sexual frustration". If I read some feminist comments on soc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 02:29 PM
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Yeah, that's surely a dynamic I've seen too often. But I'll tell you this much: It's all about the size of the echo chamber. One of these groups was smaller, so my voice carried more weight and tbh they weren't as toxic in general. So the discussion could turn a bit toxic at times, but it wasn't echo-chambery. The problem starts when you have groups like that, and there's like 7 women who know this problem less than they do (hell, in your example, they don't even know them!!!) and yet they act l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 05:33 AM
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Well if you wanna go that route, go ahead. There's really nothing wrong with it. Just don't do that MGTOW thing of claiming to go your own way while devoting your entire time to hating women. That's not healthy for anyone. And also, I'm talking about feminist circles here. That's just the circles I stumbled across in school and college (which, as we all know, tend to be more keen on those ideologies). There's plenty of great women in the world. But if you don't want a relationship... Honestly, y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 05:27 AM
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their fun doesn’t really rely on bashing women. This right here. Look, I'll admit sometimes the sexual conversations straight men have make me a little uncomfortable. But here's the thing: They don't happen all the time. And while we could have a talk about these sexual conversations "objectify" women or whatever, they are not bashing them. They are saying so and so is hot and that they wanna do X and Y to them. Is it crass? Sure. Does it have negative effects? I'd say no, but ok, we could have …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 05:24 AM
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this dynamic was one of the things that drove me to the MRM. Dude I've met lots of gay men with this exact story. Straight men befriend women too, but they aren't "one of the gals" in the group like it is with us. And it's not just these groups, but also the female-dominated communities I posted in online that started getting too rabid with feminism. Of all the bullshit MensLib usually posts, the one that most pisses me off is when they push this narrative that you need to go "touch grass" and t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/22 04:15 AM
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Well I'm a gay man who used to mostly hang out with women. I was in 3 female-dominated whatsapp groups. I was "one of the gals". The conversations I read... The things they said about their boyfriends... Look, here's the thing. A feminist by herself is probably not that much of an issue. But if her entire close group of friends are feminists, be aware: You're not just dating her, you're dating the entire group. They will tell their friends everything about you. Your dick size, your erectile prob…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/22 01:12 AM
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Feminists: Men should be allowed be vulnerable, stoicism makes them violent and ruins their mental health. Man: Expresses discomfort or sadness at something. Feminists: LOOK AT THIS MAN BABY OVER HERE LMAO THE MALE EGO IS SO FRAIL. I know venting here is good and all but I'd just like to remind everyone here activism is sorely needed in this department. Not just complaining, actually doing shit too. Because feminists are taking over men's issues too, and we all know how that'd end up. Even the w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/22 07:23 PM
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I've seen that video before and yeah, she did a wonderful job of explaining everything I hate about woke productions. The main problem I have with woke productions is this need they have to always paint someone (a group, or a character as a representative of that group) as the oppressors, and the protagonist as the oppressed. And the narrative is for the oppressed to overcome the damage done by the oppressor. The oppressor is completely evil, and the oppressed is nothing but a victim. One of the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/22 04:40 AM
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OPs own post mentions emasculation. I'd say this could point out to services not catering to men properly as well, right? If they thought the act of seeking help was emasculating then they wouldn't have stepped through the door in the first place. Maybe it was something about the process that went wrong? I've had 2 therapists in my life (the ones I could afford as a student). One was absolutely terrible, I had 1 session with him and all he did was call me a wimp and straight up said "if you were…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/22 04:20 AM
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My version of masculinity does not require the oppression of women either, because I can do just fine on my own. I'm not even sexually interested in them lol. I'm not a feminist because the ideology is misandrist in essence. And I'm a lot healthier since I separated from that crowd 😊. I get the feeling that he’s implying that he’s more of a man with this statement. Feminist masculinity is the new "hegemonic masculinity" in feminist terms. Feminst men love to put down other men and question their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 06:09 PM
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This is philosophical and psychological question that goes beyond the subject at hand, but it's important: Which is our "real" self? The person we are online, or the person we are offline? Are they both real? Are they both fake? Is one faker than the other? Feminists always use this tactic - they say those pink haired KAM bitches only exist on the fringes of twitter. Go speak to a feminist irl, they say. They are all nice. They all care for men. You know who else I could say that about? Incels. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 06:02 PM
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It's a dogma for them. It's like arguing God's existence with a religious person. The most civil ones will agree to disagree, some will refuse to have their beliefs changed, some will try to convert you, and the worst of them will insult you and treat you like you're lesser. The woke crowd falls into this last category the most...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 01:25 PM
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The element I hate about woke culture is this desire for revenge they have, of demonizing groups they consider "oppressors", in feeling justified they can say something, but then gang on other person for saying basically the same thing. This element of "shaming oppressors" is what separates woke films/series from productions that more accurately depict minorities in a human way, for me. Perfect example: Moonlight. This movie wasn't about demonizing straight men or portraying its black gay lead a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 03:58 AM
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so much as I do with the idea that it's generally other guys that are policing this behavior. I do have a problem with the concept of "toxic masculinity" but I agree with this, especially when it comes to expressing emotions. Women will all tell you they like sensitive men who can express their emotions, but it's a very specific set of emotions and ways of expressing them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 03:32 AM
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You mind me asking what masculine nature is for you? Honestly? There is none for me. Masculinity has never been narrow. There's always been many socially acceptable ways of being a man. Like, courage is supposed to be a manly virtue, but men aren't necessarily considered unmanly for acting with prudence, right? Aggression? Sure, that's "manly". But I'm willing to bet most parents teach their kids to be "gentlemen" who can solve their problems with words. Men respect that, too. Men came up with d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 03:10 AM
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This whole thing about "toxic masculinity" and "male deconstruction" and acting like men just being more empathetic and kind to others will solve all the problems in the world is a stupid and naive idea. Jesus tried that 2000 years ago and we know how that ended. It's based on an essentially authoritarian premise - in order for violence to cease existing in this world literally every man in the world, in every culture would have to agree to this "male deconstruction" thing. When you keep telling…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 12:27 AM
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Call me radical, but I believe in the same way that the conversation of women’s reproductive rights should not be led by men, the conversation of male suicide should not be dictated or gate kept by feminism, or those not directly impacted. I don't have gold but if I did, I'd give you some for this comment alone. As a man who has deeply struggled with mental health, the way feminists frame this discussion deeply upsets me. I've never been shy about sharing my emotions and I've never even made the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 08:10 PM
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I was one of those handbag gay best friends. Took me a while to notice what was really going on. I have a lot to say about that actually but I'm on my phone and it's a long story. The sad part is I don't think they're aware of what they were doing. They legit "loved" me - the same way they'd love a pug dog. As this little weird creature that's so useless and weird it's cute.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 02:13 PM
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Sth about Americans being worried about the future for their sons. Just a lot uuggh-inducing comments... and then I found a mod deleted sth because you have to name specific institutions and people when adressing feminism because "mainstream" doesn't cut it. MensLib has useful discussions from time to time but when they don't it's the worst.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 06:03 AM
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Just made the awful mistake of opening a thread on MensLib and lost all faith in the world. God that sub is depressing. Whydo I do this to myself lmao.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 03:29 AM
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Just stop the discussion right there because there's no point going forward. What's the point arguing with someone who can discard every argument they don't agree with just because of your sex?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 12:05 AM
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Lol glad to see I'm not the only one who suspects that. I swear to God there's so many comments I read there where I'm like... is this an actual man writing? The way they describe their families and friendships sometimes is peak r/womenwritingmen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/21 03:24 PM
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Did they bother to tell you which rule you broke?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/21 12:04 AM
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There's 4 types of men who become feminists: Men who are really desperate to get laid. Men who have abused and treated women like shit all their lives and either want redemption or a cover. Men with deep-seated self loathing issues. (these 3 can often overlap) Gay men who feel identified to the cause and have not yet realised how little feminists actually care about us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/21 12:03 AM
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This right here. I've never been shy about hiding my emotions. I just learned the hard way to talk about them less because I just feel like no one takes me seriously, or they take me a little too seriously to the point they feel like they need to solve the problem themselves or start worrying I'll, like, kill myself or sth. It's so funny. Even if you go to a feminist-aligned sub like MensLib you always come across guys telling stories of their girlfriends laughing at their issues or any implicat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 11:59 PM
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Not just this sub, I find women in general better at calling out the bullshit in feminism. And that's not because I find women inherently smarter or anything - but because these women were usually feminists themselves that are more familiar with their arguments and know the bullshit of the movement from the inside. This is why I find it really important than MRA groups don't start becoming overly-misogynistic. Women's contribution to our cause goes far beyond simply adding numbers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 08:03 PM
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Those abuses didn't just happen in catholic schools, though, and the scandal didn't start receiving attention until the '90s. The whole thing didn't really blow up and become a recognised widespread phenomenon until the '00s. And I must say I find this link you make between pedophilia and homosexuality to be really problematic. The majority of the priests targeted boys. Are you implying gay men are just naturally more propense to devious sexual acts, and that's why they were so overrepresented?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 07:53 PM
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Best advice I can give non feminist men is: stop fucking consuming American entertainment!!! Start reading books, or consume productions from other countries. Americans have been at the helm of cultural globalization for far too long. Wokeism has become rampant in all corners of entertainment and I'm fucking done with that. I won't pretend anime isn't problematic, but in general I find its portrayals of male characters much more varied, rich, and healthy. Anime doesn't shy away from having femal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 07:40 PM
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That's... a fair point, actually. Didn't think of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 02:54 PM
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I believe feminists are taking a lot of things they learned from "the Patriarchy" and applying them back to men. Like the other day I read an interview of Olivia Wilde where she said something like "society likes to use guilt and shame to manipulate women". It was like, lol. Ok. So that's where feminists learned it from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:02 PM
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The sensation of safety some men have walking alone at night isn't a privilege, it's an illusion. Because men don't fear crime like women do, they are less alert, and easier to victimise. Women not walking alone at night means crime will happen to the men who do. "And who does those crimes"? Yes, it's men. But what I hate about this argument is that: It's the most stupid form of victim-blaming, isn't it? Like I do nothing wrong, a guy robs me, and we're both at fault because "toxic masculinity" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:00 PM
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Here you go. This is the entry I was talking about in my comment, but I recommend checking all of his entries - https://hombresgeneroydebatecritico.wordpress.com/2021/07/19/amos-del-lenguaje-amos-del-discurso-de-genero/ As for the article you linked, I have to study now and I have procrastinated enough for today lol. I'll get to read it eventually. But those critiques are worth noting, thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 01:15 AM
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Thanks for sharing a female perspective on this. I do get the impression women can be "damned if they do, damned if they don't" depending on the scenarios they are at. Female virginity is definitely not seen as some virtuous thing anymore in the West, unless you belong to a specifically religious community.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:57 AM
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Yep, motte-and-bailey. If you speak Spanish I can link you to a blog I read that did an excellent way of describing the way feminism manipulates language to weaponize all the words you use against you, while keeping all the words they use deliberately vague, so that they can mean whatever they want them to mean while also reading you on how you don't understand them. I feel like this vagueness of words is the problem I have with feminism in general, tbh. Literally every feminist space I stumbled…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:49 AM
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I think it'd do good to start separating MRA groups, not in an attempt to pit us against one another, but so that people can realize this issue is larger than what it seems. I was originally hestitant to go into places like r/MensRights because of it's association with the alt-right. But when I stumbled there, I noticed it was more politically diverse than I had expected. The movement seems to have a lot of variants. A more conservative kind that is more insistent on keeping gender roles, a more…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 11:51 PM
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I just consider myself to be center-left in general. I'm not married to any ideology. Regarding men's issues, I feel like neither side of the aisle is good at tackling them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 10:58 PM
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Yeah I don't think we should take high school bullies as representatives of society as a whole. Their hormones are raging and they are confused and they do dumb shit they cringe at as adults. Have you ever met a single adult who bragged about being a bully in high school? And if you did... what would people think of someone like that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 08:51 PM
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Yeah I'm undecided what I think about the censorship and removal of those kind of comments, since I criticize that from feminist spaces, but at the same time, I can understand why it happens. The comment I couldn't get to write was about how this discussion was a perfect example of why I hate the concept of "toxic masculinity". Because it's so vague, it can encompass literally everything, and then they treat you like an idiot for not sharing their definition of the term, when there is no such se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 08:41 PM
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Yeah I had a reply I wish I could've written. Sigh. Well, it's for the better I guess. Though it does bother me that people insist on pushing this notion that it's "toxic masculinity" that shames men for being virgins when my experience on the internet has been that men are overwhelmingly more likely to empathize with others about this. And the men who mock other men for being incompetent virgins are usually the white knight feminist kind...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 07:33 PM
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You keep reading the word "toxic" and "masculinity" attached to each other, and each new day you have 60303 feminists telling you new things that fall under that umbrella, and you have experts in male psychology telling you this concept can be problematic and should be reconsidered, and then you have people telling you that you're just an idiot and "genuinely damaged" for having a problem with this notion, for disagreeing with their terms. This is the academicist bullshit I hate about feminism. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 06:31 PM
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Dude, Mic magazine? Seriously? That's like pulling a Fox News video to prove a point. They don't even pretend to hide their political leanings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 06:20 PM
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toxic masculinity because it is other men that have determined male virginity as a kind of weakness. Women don't care half as much as men about that. And yet the men I see mocking other men for their inability to copulate with women are usually feminist-aligned. The people I see mocking incels as losers and threats to society are usually women. The people pushing for incel ideology to be branded as terrorism are usually feminists, and usually women. The manosphere is problematic in many ways, bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:56 PM
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Lol so "toxic masculinity" is about harming everyone but "toxic femininity" is just about women harming themselves because of patriarchy? I guess I should start writing about toxic femininity then. As the son of an abusive mother I got plenty to say about that. Toxic femininity is the dark side of women's motherly instinct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 03:25 PM
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Feminists roll their eyes and act like I'm an idiot when I say "toxic masculinity" attacks all masculinity. You know, it's not "toxic masculinity" as a concept that bothers me. It's "non-toxic masculinity" that pisses me off. If masculinity isn't toxic, then why are you adding the "non"? Shouldn't it be just "masculinity"? Isn't it funny how "toxic masculinity" applies to everything wrong in the world - corruption, rape, crime, war, racism, literally everything; but "positive masculinity" doesn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 03:22 PM
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An old man stares at a schoolgirl, this is an act of patriarchal violence. And old woman molests a young boy, it's a porn fantasy come true. I fully support green old men being held accountable for their predatory behaviour, but if you're gonna protect children you must protect all of them. Boys are easier to victimise. This is why the catholic priests went after them more than the girls...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 03:12 PM
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It certainly is eye-opening. I don't think any of the ideas I'm reading there are necessarily things I hadn't thought of or read before, but seeing it all laid out next to each other explaining why X is an effect of Y and how Z is a solution, really changed my perception of things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 02:31 PM
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I read a book the other day by a feminist author that said exactly that, and I've seen the idea floating around a lot. There was a post on MensLib the other day about why gay men outperform straights academically, and that theory floated around. It's just the wording of it that is such a r/womenwritingmen sort of thing. Like if they have said that there's "bad boy" types that think academic achievement is lame and they'd rather be cool and party, that'd make more sense. I do think a lot of men, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 02:02 PM
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I've been checking this book recently and just wanted to say: Thank you. I strongly recommend any men reading this to at least read the chapter about reclaiming your masculinity. It was really eye-opening to see how much the family dynamics described in that book (that fit my family like a glove) affected the way I establish my relationships. I won't go into detail, but I've never been in a romantic relationship with a woman, but I could kinda feel a lot of those things there applied to my frien…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:16 AM
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OMFG. (we're walking to the bus stop after work, or smoking a cigarette outside, etc. Casual conversation arises and for some reason we end up talking about his gf) Straight Guy: Idk man. It's like. Idk. Like I just don't know how to act. Like. Idk. I get mad sometimes and like yell stuff that I don't wanna yell, and she says I'm such an unpredictable monster, and it's like... idk... Like I'm exaggerated, I'm dramatic, I need to work on that, yeah... But am I really the bad guy? It's not like I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:07 AM
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As someone who was raised in a family of conservative right-wing women, I can testify women can be some of the most terrible bigots out there. Men can make some horribly offensive bigoted jokes. But the rants I've heard from my relatives on the regular... Oh boy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 12:56 AM
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This story has been written many times. I read a synopsis for a book called "The End of Men" the other day. Basically the same thing, a super deadly virus shows up that only affects men, and 90% of the men in the world die. The book is about a lot of weeping widows and a lot of idealization of how great the world would be without men. The reviews had a lot of radfems celebrating the title of the book and the smash of the patriarchy and how all women have dreamt of this at some point. You know a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 12:49 AM
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I totally agree on your point about the gender narratives out there - that women are these super complex creatures men can't understand, and that men are basic and simple. I think this is the reason why some feminists feel so comfortable coming up with ridiculous theories to explain male behavior - like the fact that academic underperformance is because academic achievement is gay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/21 10:52 PM
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Wokeness can be a terrible problem in a lot of LGBT spaces, but there are people who resent it too. And do it, I've had plenty of straight guys tell me they appreciate my company because they get too talk deeper issues but with a masculine understanding. Men are just not used to starting these discussions. But this whole "toxic masculinity" thing that men judge each other for showing emotion is horribly exaggerated. It's only old douchebags and frat boy types that do that (and you can always jus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/21 05:50 PM
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Similar situation here... Except for me it was more that growing up as a gay kid, hanging out with the girls just seemed more natural. The boys played soccer outside while the girls stayed at the classroom talking. My friends lately are just toxic af. We don't talk much. I do hang out with them from time to time, but I always keep it to small gatherings, so the discussion can center around ourselves and our interests (shows, movies, etc.). If they get in a group then the discussion will inevitab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/21 02:38 PM
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Say what you want about conservatives, at least they're open about what toxic expectations they want for men. True, at least I know their expectations mostly come from a religion I don't have to follow. I'm so done with these manipulative tactics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/21 02:15 PM
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I don't trust the left and feminism with men's issues much like I dont trust the right with LGBT issues. I believe that, ultimately, if you're voting for a candidate you fully support on everything, you've probably been brainwashed. That's why I don't have a problem with gay people voting right, as long as they do so because of their other convictions, and not because they were fooled into believing they gave a shit about us. As for the left and men's rights... Political homelessness, that's whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 11:17 PM
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I know plenty of right-wing people who are legitimately not homophobes and are quite supportive. But they align themselves with homophobes, and they often owe them political favors. It has happened plenty in my country, where more "moderate" right-wingers will vote against LGBT rights because of political shenanigans.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 10:24 PM
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I honestly don't understand how men can willingly have twitter accounts at this point. Like ffs at least misogynist comedians tried to make a witty punchline.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 10:02 PM
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Me too, I'm used to getting mean looks from other LGBT folk when I speak out against their ideas. I'm gay, but my mom comes from a conservative area, and I was raised by conservatives. I have problems with tradcons (plenty), but I also have a perspective on them my friends lack in their elitist bubbles. My mom and aunts are racist, kinda homophobic, kinda retrogrades at times... but they aren't bad people. I just don't expect this or demand this from people because I know it's not easy. It's the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 09:56 PM
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That being said I don't much see the importance of fitting in perfectly into any one political "tribe". Being honest about your views is far more important. When you belong to a minority (that you didn't choose), and this very same minority has decided there is only one political belief that is supposed to be accepted (when political beliefs are chosen), that is a problem. I understand your point in principle, but I just know the LGBT community too damn well to demand this from people. I can res…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 06:51 PM
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I believe it depends on the context tbh. To begin with, I hate the phrase "Not All Men" because "Not All" sounds like "A lot". I think a better phrase would've been "Most Men Don't". Because that's how it is. I don't like the "Not All Men" argument because I just feel like it doesn't really debunk anything. Even if feminists act like rape is embedded into culture and masculinity or whatever, most people (even some feminists) would agree it's not "all" men. It's a tautological argument that gives…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 06:47 PM
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What are your thoughts on hazing rituals? I saw a discussion on MensLib about this, but I couldn't comment on this account since it's less than a month old. Being MensLib, they were all whining against it because it's a toxic-masculine practice yadda yadda yadda. Personally I think they are totally fine, but I do think there's 2 minimal conditions that should be met: People who refuse to participate should not be alienated or face repercussions It shouldn't legalize what would otherwise be illeg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 06:34 PM
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The world has far too many people in it for exceptions to never happen. And if we're going there, I could find you a list of men who will claim feminism welcomed them with open arms and isn't misandrist at all. Doesn't mean it's true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 03:26 PM
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As a gay man myself I will say I appreciate this post. But I'd just like to explain something. The reason Jax took an approach like this is most likely because LGBTQ+ folks simply cannot express any anti-woke sentiments, ever. To be an LGBTQ+ man and be openly right-wing or any other anti-woke stance means getting ostracized by your community. And LGBTQ+ men are usually not stupid enough to think the right would receive us with open arms. Reading that post, as a gay man, I also got that impressi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 04:29 AM
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Oh yeah I do completely agree with that. Ultimately it comes down to this: Anti-feminist political discourse is not necessarily wrong. I'd argue it is necessary, just like every other political ideology deserves to be criticized. Anti-feminist discourse is frowned upon in a lot of spaces, and it's fine to have some safe spaces to do that. That being said, I ultimately don't consider spouting anti-feminist discourse to be a form of male advocacy. Men need to start helping each other, with materia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 06:05 PM
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I would even wager that the vast majority of feminists do not hate men. I just wanted to say this is all relative. My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. As a kid I hung out with more girls than boys. I have feminine interests that have led me to post in female-dominated forums. Growing up all of these female-dominated or female-exclusive spaces started becoming more and more feminist, and more and more misandrist. I keep reading about this intersectional branch of feminism that doe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 05:56 PM
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when you come down to it, feminism is only concerned about women. Which wouldn't be nothing inherently bad in itself.. If they were upfront about it. This is exactly my problem. Feminists decided to make men's mental health one of their causes when they decided to start complaining about toxic masculinity, stoicism, male emotions, male fragility, etc. If they had kept it about sexual abuse and teaching men consent and stuff I wouldn't have had a problem. But they started with the "toxic masculin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 05:42 PM
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Oh yeah I agree with that, I don't think feminism should be viewed as a mutually exclusive cause or an enemy, as bothered as I am by a lot of their views.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 05:06 PM
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I think it'd be a good idea to start making different movements with different names. "MRA" has become a dirty word that people associate with incels and wife-beaters. It's unfortunate, yes. But personally I'm more of a practical man, and I think instead of reappropiating the word and trying to prove people we're not actual misogynists, it'd be better to just drop the term and call our branch of the movement something else. So when people ask us, "whats's the difference?" we say "they are right-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 04:48 PM
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I wouldn't separate feminism from the woke crowd like that, because I don't see it working like that in the practice. Wokeists are feminists, for the most part. And it's the feminist influence of wokeness that inspires the wokeists's dismissiveness of male issues (unless carefully worded to either blame the "patriarchy", racial struggles, or sth else they have to agree with to not get canceled).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 04:41 PM
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It’s a way for privileged women to see themselves as overcoming odds. God, so much this. The misandry of all the feminist spaces I came across was obnoxious, but what was more obnoxious was knowing all the women it was coming from have had their lives handed to them on a silver platter. It wasn't just the ones I knew irl. On the online spaces I posted in too I'd often come across comments like "I come from a well-off family", "I've been very privileged to not struggle financially", "I studied in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 04:36 PM
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Those paragraphs were aimed at r/MensRights more than anything. It happens to a lesser degree on this sub, too, but I don't consider it as problematic, which is why I stick around. Reading my comment again I notice my wording wasn't the best, and I apologise for that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 04:03 PM
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Wow, good post. It never occured to me that speaking of "privileges" in plural would give a clearer scope of the picture.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 02:11 PM
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If it wasn't clear, I was talking about r/MensRights. Not this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 01:39 PM
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I have to ask this question. These spaces you're talking about - are they mixed? Were you willingly searching for spaces like that? I was in almost exclusively female spaces (posting under gender-neutral usrnames), and the offline spaces (as in, my friendships) saw me as "one of the girls". They weren't catering to the feelings of anyone but themselves. And the things I read and heard... Jesus. I repeat. I wasn't seeking misandrist feminism to prove my point like a lot of MRAs do. I literally ju…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 07:26 AM
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The problem I have with feminist male advocacy is precisely that, that for your problems to be validly adressed it seems like you must first admit you are the problem. Seeing other people share their views and criticisms of the misandry and hipocrisies of the feminist movement can be soothing. If this echo chamber is all you ever read then it's a problem, and I believe that's where the problem is. Not the perspective being shared, but the refusal to see other perspectives. It makes your views wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 01:44 AM
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Well... But we also oppose feminist attempts to deny male issues, or shoehorn them into a biased ideology that blames "male privilege" and guilt-trips men. we will criticize feminist ideology wherever it is inegalitarian and/or untruthful, especially now that it holds institutional power. Too often feminism has promoted a one-sided “equality”, dismantling male advantages while exploiting, reinforcing, preserving, and downplaying female advantages - particularly in cases involving alleged abuse. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 01:10 AM
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I hear so so much how "actually it's feminists that are the problem" rather than acknowledging privilege or sexism that happens. Like this thread for example. Personally, I acknowledge that there's a lot of sexist behaviors in our society that men need to check and that women face a lot of oppression under men. I just don't do that in this sub, because it's supposed to advocate for men, and that would be derailing. I don't bring up men's issues on feminist spaces either because of that. This sub…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 12:56 AM
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I'm not familiar enough with communist theory to answer that question, sorry. But I can tell you almost every campaign pamphlet or poster you'll see for a communist candidate will have feminist symbolism in it somewhere. Green bandanas are a favorite, which is a symbol they borrowed from the feminist movement in Argentina in the context of the abortion debate. This year had a lot of elections, communist candidates did better than ever before, and most of them were feminist women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 11:47 PM
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I think general protests for men's rights will do no good in the current political climate. Absolutely agreed, I straight-up would advise against them. I agree with the sentiment obviously, but it will inevitably be seen as reactionary and regressive. The violence you see in pretty much every protest ever will get demonized like never before. Perhaps more than any other cause I can think of, if there's gonna be action for this, it has to be as pacific as possible. Hell I think even a pacific pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 08:25 PM
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Yeah my biggest gripe with pro-lifers is how adamant they are about condemning abortion when the woman is pregnant, but how little they care about that baby's life after they are actually born. They don't care about protecting life, they are just against abortions. Does this overlap with misogyny in many cases? Well of course. But reducing it to misogyny, and particularly as an issue men have against women, is ridiculous. The most radical pro-lifers you'll find are religious women. The men you s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 08:09 PM
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It’s because of this line of thinking that feminists treat you as a denier for opposing concepts like toxic masculinity, as if it’s some clear cut law of physics. A blog I read has a good entry on this. If anyone is interested I recommend checking it out, it's in spanish though - https://hombresgeneroydebatecritico.wordpress.com/2021/07/19/amos-del-lenguaje-amos-del-discurso-de-genero/ He talks about how patriarchy went from being a concept that originally was meant to represent the father's aut…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 05:11 PM
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“only men wanting to control womens bodies.” Same, this has always bothered me as well, considering men are only slightly more likely to be pro-life than women, and the most passionate pro-life activists are almost always women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 11:46 AM
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Well... Women have always been more likely to join religious cults.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 02:55 AM
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Jesus. Imagine being so pro-women you start supporting women who trafficked teenage girls to rich pedophiles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 01:14 AM
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True and what bothers me is just how often the excuse of "worst case scenarios" is thrown around. Yeah, female on male DV ends up in less permanent injuries or deaths. But most DV doesn't in that, and these very same people are the ones preaching about no types of abuse being diminished. There's this book feminists love to reference, "Why Does He Do That?" which is about abusive men in relationships. The author goes on to list 10 (or was it 12?) types of abusive men, which are all so far-reachin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 12:53 AM
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That's really interesting. I'm from Chile and feminism is very much a left wing cause. The Communist party right now is just as much about feminism as it is about worker's rights. I must say though, what's interesting is that while the left has really embraced feminism, the right has yet to embrace anti-feminism the way Republicans have done. But it's just a matter of time tbh.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 11:23 PM
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This law was pushed by the right? Genuine question, I'm not from the UK nor familiar with British parties.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 02:31 PM
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Sarah Everard's murder was very tragic indeed but I don't understand how putting these laws in place would've prevented it? Did they think of writing any laws to reform their police departments, considering the murderer was a cop? I must say I've always found it funny how the woke crowd is really quick to call out the right on using fearmongering and milking crimes to push their political agenda (which is true!), but then they pull stunts like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 02:15 PM
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Yeah that's true, I remember that when I discovered MensRights I was actually surprised by how politically diverse it was. As whole I'd say the more conservative right-leaning demographic is probably the biggest (and loudest), but there's a bit of everything really. The tone of the threads there seemed to change depending on the starting comment, sometimes someone would share a really dumb video and the misogyny would be called out, other times you'll see some rather nonsensical misogynist rants…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 01:57 PM
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Yeah I feel like the tone of the discussion a thread will have on MensLib is usually a coin toss. Like, there's some questionable comments there, like a guy saying it's ok for rich educated women to scoff and laugh at the struggles of poor uneducated men, claim that uneducated men were privileged to score jobs because of having a male healthy body (oh yeah, those industrial factory jobs were such a privilege), and then end it on a note about how men's issues are just a distraction from class iss…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 02:40 AM
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The draft, women's exclusion, and men's obligation to it, is the issue that drove me from being a reactionary piece of garbage, so this one is personal to me. Could you ellaborate more on this? Not questioning anything, I'm just genuinely interested.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 02:15 AM
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Eh the argument she's making there is that some men are better off without those expectations of male behavior, which I don't think is really that crazy of a proposition. I don't masculinity should be demonized and men demonized for wanting to be more traditionally masculine. But we should be able to choose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 12:09 AM
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100 women = 100 births This is quite a statement to make amidst the whole abortion debate Americans are having right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 11:20 PM
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Yeah but we don't actually know what happened. The most crucial point in the video - when Read made the advance on Carruth - happened to be aiming somewhere else. Self-defense is supposed to be proportional to the level of violence that was to be expected. One guy was holding a gun, the other one wasn't. Yes, he threatened to take the gun away from him, but 1. That's, on the most literal terms, not a threat of violence. 2. Carruth was the one holding the gun all the time, and thus was on a posit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 10:31 PM
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she could have shot him in his car and not only kept the kids but avoided jail How often does this actually happen? I'm all for calling out the overly-lenient sentences and absolutions women can face in the court system, but let's not take this to exaggerated extremes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 09:06 PM
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The cops rarely ever solve anything so idk if this is an option. But yeah ultimately I don't think Read was entitled to break into someone else's home for being denied visitation rights, and they'd only be "kidnapping" the son if he was being held against his will somewhere else. I'm not saying being denied visitation rights isn't unfair or reprehensible... but it's not kidnapping. This seems to be a complicated case but I do think some people in this sub are supporting some rather quesitonable …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 09:03 PM
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Well as a non-American I must say I find this notion that you can shoot people for standing on your lawn to be extremely preoccupying. I find this case in general says a lot more about gun culture in the USA than it does father's rights to visitations. That being said, I don't think Chad Read was entitled to enter someone else's home to take away his son. Yeah it's suspicious they didn't tell him from the beggining he wasn't there, but that's still not a reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 08:56 PM
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Exactly. It honestly blows my mind how resistant some Americans can get about having their gun rights questioned. I live in South America - which everyone knows is a very violent region. A situation like this would've only had this same outcome if it happened in a drug lord's or some other criminal's house. I can imagine it escalating to a violent brawl with some ugly lesions. But I have a very hard time imagining a deadly outcome. Like sure, the dispute happened because of being denied the righ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 08:40 PM
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/National-Association-Opposed-to-Woman-Suffrage
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 02:40 AM
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I feel like incels and crazy MRAs are to feminism what Venezuela is to the Latin American right. They are indefensible enemies anyone would get chastised for trying to stand up for, which cause enough fear in a segment of the population to succesfully exploit for political advantage. This works for feminism/latin right because as long as this enemy continues to exist, irrelevant and powerless as it may be, they can continue to exploit that fear and reaffirm the relevance of their stance. This al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 09:04 PM
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You can look up Andrea Dworkin on wikipedia. She was most certainly a very controversial figure. I was actually googling criticisms of Daly and Gearhart now and couldn't find any, but I remember reading that their proposals of gendercide through reproductive choice have been disputed a lot. I mean, it is a very radical and controversial idea. But I could be wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 07:45 PM
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IIRC that Andrea Dworkin quote isn't an actual quote by her, but by a fictional character in one of her books. Also I must say those quotes by Dworkin, Daly and Gearhart were actually quite controversial back then and disputed by a lot of feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 07:26 PM
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When the perpetrator confesses Ok I just want to say this is problematic. Our entire due process was actually built to fight against this - because in the old inquisitive system, perpetrated by the church, the accused would often be submitted to awful tortures until they admitted to their crimes. They were broken down, and ended up confessing to end the torture. Nowadays, people aren't tortured to get confessions... or well, at least not as often. But there's still many ways in which cops can ps…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 12:51 AM
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Same. Honestly, it's not just the far-right elements to the MRM that concern me. If I had to make a list... They conflate being critical of feminism with blaming feminism for all of men's issues, which is bollocks, since men's issues date further back than feminism does. There's a lot of really blatant and really transparent misogyny that goes unchecked. You can usually find some racist and homophobic commentary there, which is completely counterproductive, as gay men and men of color probably h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 10:51 PM
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Menslib is so eye roll worthy. It’s the epitome of a dude pretending to care about equality while putting himself down to try and let girls know he supports women like it’s a personality trait. I feel like those radical feminist men can fall into one of many categories (or more than one at once): Being so desperate for female approval they are willing to display full misandry against their own gender to prove themselves worthy. It's the male version of "not like other girls". They were bullied a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:56 PM
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Yeah I do agree that the focusing on rape specifically harms the discussion of men being wrongly imprisoned in general, especially since pointing out this happens with all crimes as instead of just sexual crimes points out to the problem being much larger. This is particularly important when it comes to politically motivated incarcerations, arrests and murders. In protest contexts, men (and women too, but men more often) can be arrested for months or even sent to jail just for holding a sign a f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:43 PM
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Yeah that was really off-putting, especially since all the replies were saying like "this post isn't downplaying that at all", even though the post was literally about how rare this is and it isn't really a problem and how unlikely it is for men to be convicted of it. Also scary was that other guy saying that we should just accept some men being wrongly imprisoned as a price to pay for everyone's safety...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:34 PM
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What's bullshit about it? It's not that I don't believe you, but I like gathering arguments about this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 03:39 PM
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Statistically speaking femicide is not very common either. Are women delusional for fearing that? Also race, gnder, class, etc. Dont exist in a vacuum. A false rape accusation against a black man is about this blackness as much as it is his maleness. Would it happen to a white man? Less likely. A black woman? Less likely...if at all? Do women ever get falsely accused of sexual crimes? MensLib is trash. I normally like checking the original threads when I see posts like this but I won't bother no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 03:33 PM
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Do you have any sources on the number of homeless men that got to be in that situation because of DV laws? Not trying to be an ass but there's the housing market, ableism, low retirment funds, unemployment, etc... I have a hard time believing merely 1 out of 3 homeless men got to be in that situation because of these factors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/21 04:04 PM
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You know I used to think that way too, but the sort of misandrist views "pop feminism" spouts nowadays aren't exactly new and can be traced back to several decades. Social media just made it a lot more massive and visible, and its echo-chambery exacerbates radical discourses. I'm not sure your analogy to North Korea is quite accurate, frankly. A dictatorship calling itself a democracy is not the same as an ideology that seems to have contradictory principles and more radical members. When I'm ta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/21 03:50 PM
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I found it - https://www.out.com/2017/7/30/dear-gay-men-stop-telling-women-they-cant-be-gay-bars The article is trash but I'm sharing it for the first comment specifically, which perfectly adresses the issue with this. Straight women being all "I don't need your aproval and I can go wherever the fuck I want!" when it's like, honey... gay men can't do that. That's why gay bars came to be a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 10:32 PM
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Yeah, it's that hipocrisy that pisses me off. I completely respect and understand women's need for safe spaces. I've never questioned it. I know what women most do in those spaces is talk shit about men, and I respect their right to do so. It just pisses me off they can't return the favor, and that they act so fucking entitled to my safe spaces. I've read that argument that men's issues are already looked over by other ministries so they don't need one like women do. Mental health and suicide ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 10:18 PM
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I wouldn't say all of them, but one thing I've definitely noticed is feminists have a tendency to manipulate language. Like for example my college went on a feminist strike, and I remember they shared the results of a study they made that said something like 95% of female respondents had been sexually harrassed by a male professor or classmate. Shocking statistic. This study was something they presented as a justification for the strike, which, mind you, was putting a halt on the education all o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 06:52 PM
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I went to MensRights for one day and the feminist shit stirring is everywhere. It really is. There are legit trolls there that literally do nothing but pick fights in that sub. I found a guy yesterday that had literally posted MORE THAN 80!!! comments in the past 24 hours, on MensRights alone, picking fights with people. I'll say though, it's the feminist men who are the absolute worst. I'm under the impression the toxic feminist women at least keep it to their own echo chambers more often. It's…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 03:49 PM
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Yeah I like this sub as well for that reason, I feel like the discussion here is just... smarter lol. I believe the discussion here is better because men's issues and class issues go hand-in-hand and recognising that is an important part of criticizing the most questionable parts of feminism. Like for example these historical arguments about how "men" have held the power throughout all of history, when they are talking about a very small, very specific, and very privileged sub-set of upper-class…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 02:58 PM
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Dude. I literally started as a feminist lol. Growing up gay I had more female friends in high school and I felt the causes were intertwined. I posted in a lot of female-dominates sites. Idk if feminism became more toxic with social media and GenZ or if I just became more aware, but it was spending time in feminist circles which made me wary of the movement, and eventually lead me to the MRA cause. There was one specific discussion that triggered this change of heart in me. It's about gay safe sp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 02:43 PM
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Finally, yes there are bad actors on both sides, however I do feel that MRA's are more pro-active in shutting down / calling out misogyny within its ranks compared to feminism which turns a blatant blind eye to the misandry within its ranks. Agreed. When I first visited the MensRights sub I was actually surprised to see it really isn't that uncommon to see the users there (not just the feminist trolls that always pop up looking for fights) calling out some of the more preposterous mysoginistic c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 01:22 PM
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Discussing men's issues with feminists is pointless. They only care about men's issues if it can somehow benefit them. For example a woman accusing a man of a sexual offence is literally the only scenario where the justice system would be unfair to women in relation to men. And even then the subject would be debatable, as men accusing women of sexual crimes would have an even harder time getting them convicted. Women get less guilty veredicts and shorter sentences. Non-sexual crimes with female …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 01:02 PM
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For the first time in my life I understand why some people hate leftists with a passion. Too many of us pretend not to see realities and call anyone who doesn't play along a stupid bigot. YEP! As a leftist myself this is what I most hate about leftist discourse in general. This patronizing tone that the opinion you propose is fair and irrefutable and you must agree, otherwise you're a bigot, an idiot, and/or delusional. This discourse has become so embedded in leftist ideology lately, I felt pol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 12:39 PM
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when in reality if any man was oppressing anyone it would've been men of his class who oppressed all the common people, not all men. This is my biggest problem with this feminist historical arguments I keep hearing. Trying to hold "men" - just flatly men, half of the world - accountable for the actions of emperors, monarchs, and aristocrats. If I had been born in any of those ages I'd most likely be illiterate, without voting rights (if democracy even existed), and I'd be plowing the lands, buil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 12:14 PM
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Yeah trying to overlook the racial dynamics in this is gross. You can't complain about men being unfairly imprisoned while denying this disproportionally affects men of color. Of course a lot of people will grow to hate this movement if you drive away the men it could most resonate with.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 06:57 AM
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I have yet, in my personal life, to see a black man falsely convicted of a crime he didn't commit. Dude. Are you fucking serious? This thread is literally about a black man being falsely imprisoned.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 06:50 AM
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I come here from time to time because it's one of the few spaces people can talk about these issues... but yeah. I agree. That kind of defeatist, victim-y behavior is why I take breaks from this sub. It's very, very dissapointing when I see posts complaining about mean tweets and mean comment sections in other subs get lots of traction... while posts actually advocating for NGOs get like 6 comments.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 06:39 AM
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I mean. It's literally what happened lmao.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 06:29 AM
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When did I backpedal on anything?
/r/MensRights01/12/21 06:23 AM
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Eh, not really, my argument was that DV among LGBT women is understudied and invisibilized. Which you conceded.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 06:15 AM
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I explained what those concepts meant to me. If the english definitions weren't accurate then I'll admit that's on me, for not being a native speaker, but you twisted my words based on definitions I wasn't using. You mentioned aggression wasn't bad when lives are under threat. There's plenty of jobs that revolve around that. And I never said controlling others was good dominance.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 05:52 AM
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Yeah, murder outcomes are more common in straight relationships. That much is true.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 05:44 AM
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Competition is a form of collaboration if both parties are giving their best to push the other side to do their best. That's the whole point of improving through competition. "Mediocre men are concerned with being ‘better’ than others." Well yeah, that's what I said. "Great men uplift and support, cooperate, and recognize that we all grow and benefit from collaboration." This is in no way incompatible with what I said. I was talking about physical aggression which is a necessary part of many job…
/r/MensRights01/12/21 05:28 AM
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Women should be more afraid of each other tbh, while the subject has been understudied, several studies that have been done show that bisexual women and lesbians can be just as likely if not more to be victims of DV.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 05:13 AM
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Have you spent the whole day refreshing this sub? You've written like 40 comments in the past 14 hours on this sub alone. That's pathetic and sad even by average MRA-poster standards.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 05:00 AM
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Well I mean I don't understand why I'm supposed to empathize with the struggles of women that have been dead for thousands of years, while also ignoring that the vast majority of men living in those ages were second class citizens as well, plowing the lands, building the castles, and dying in wars started by nobles. The men you read about in history books were aristocrats/nobles/rich/etc that had very, very little in common with your average man. The sisters, wives and daughters of the emperors …
/r/MensRights30/11/21 11:40 PM
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Vasectomies are cheap, easy and reversible. Literally none of these things are true lol. At least not in my country. I'm so fucking thankful I'm gay tbh. Life sucked as a kid and especially as a teenager but now that I'm close to my 30's I feel blessed. Whenever I read anything about the straight dating world I'm like... how the fuck does anyone willingly engage on this bullshit.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 11:23 PM
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Eh idk. This sub is more politically diverse than one would originally expect. I don't think there's anything crazy about seeing opposing views on gender roles on one thread and another. If you're gonna call specific people out on their hipocrisy then call them out by name and post their contradictory statements. Really trying to split hairs on how to ‘healthily’ dominate people while stoically being competitive, hunh? Yikes. I don't see anything wrong with proper sportsmanship, good leadership …
/r/MensRights30/11/21 03:31 AM
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In my opinion, traditional masculinity is fine, all of the problems that supposedly stem from traditional masculinity stem from insecurities and violent tendencies some men develop because of their circumstances (usually, abusive households and marginalization). Toxic and dangerous men most definitely exist. Toxic masculinity? Eh. Being competitive is fine. Attaching your worth to beating other people in things is being immature and insecure, it's having bad sportsmanship. Making everything a co…
/r/MensRights30/11/21 02:29 AM
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You've written this comment like 20 times across different threads in this sub. It seems like you care a lot lmao.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 01:28 AM
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Perhaps at the time you searched this hashtag the tweets you shared were more common. In that case I apologise for being dismissive of your experience and assuming the worst. But as of right now, by the time I searched this myself, this wasn't the case. And I wanted to point it out to prevent any confusions. Again, I'm sorry for assuming the worst about your intentions.
/r/MensRights30/11/21 01:25 AM
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Upper class, white, college-educated American feminist women are literally one of the most privileged demographics on Earth. They like talking about intersectionalism so they can appropiate the oppression of women less privileged than them. This shit happens all the time. They are so myopic in analyzing things through their "gender lens" they ignore all the racial, and especially the class dynamics in place. There's a lot of series and movies about strong women facing adversity, especially nowad…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 11:37 PM
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I didn't find any news on such retraction. I think it'd be good if we actually taught boys how to be stoic instead of just assuming they are stoic by nature. I've met very few men in my life who are actually stoic.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 10:51 PM
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I can't watch the whole video now, idk if he adressed this. But one recurring thing I've seen in other conversations with men (online and offline) about this subject is women tend to be really weird around apologies. Like there's no correct way to apologize to them. If you apologise honestly they take that as a chance to keep dragging you for your mistakes. If you apologise in that "ok whatever" sort of tone, they call you out for not apologising honestly. If you don't apologise at all, that's e…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 10:43 PM
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Yeah I just searched the hashtag on twitter and there were surprisingly few tweets like the ones shared in this post. Some of ya'll need to touch some grass. Men face real issues and there's a lot to criticize about feminism. Cherry picking tweets to rage bait isn't helping anyone.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 10:02 PM
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Nobody is forcing men to take those jobs. Yeah I have no idea why men take risky jobs when they could just go collect money from trees like everyone does.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 09:41 PM
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Well damn, I wasn't expecting you to flatly admit patriarchy is a populist boogeyman lmao. I guess everything can happen in the internet.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 09:04 PM
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Patriarchy doesn't oppress women over men. I'd recommend googling the concepts you talk about before talking about them. Patriarchy oppresses everyone in different ways. No one is benefiting from patriarchy So patriarchy is an abstract system that benefits no one and opresses everyone, that can be blamed for all the issues in the world. So... a populist boogeyman?
/r/MensRights29/11/21 09:01 PM
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On the whole I actually agree with the notion there's a lot of men here that seem to only come here to complain about feminism and women. It's really upsetting that low-effort rants like this get hundreds of upvotes and comments while some more useful posts advocating for NGOs or stuff get, like, 8 comments. There's also a lot of factually inaccurate comments that get more upvotes than they deserve. That being said... A lot of problems that exist that affect men (crime rate, murder rate, rape ra…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:35 PM
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Ugh, again with this bullshit. How the fuck does this prove anything? If patriarchy opresses women in favor of men then why are the men in positions of power not sending the women to die? If patriarchy affects men negatively too then who is actually benefitting from this? Yeah most leaders and politicians are men, but they are not just any men, they are usually born with other privileges (class, race, even nobility) that enable them to reach those positions of power. These men have wives, daught…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 08:18 PM
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I agree with you. I usually come here and then stay away for some time because I do feel like there's a defeatist tone to the discussion here that's kinda depressing. And some users are definitely really condescending and rude. On the other hand, I understand this sub came to be that way because people are mad and there's very, very few ventures where they can express these opinions. I also feel like the very free-speech approach this sub has, while great in theory, makes guys angrier because ev…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:51 PM
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Yeah our movement is still in diapers for the most part. Where I live International Women's Day wasn't really that big of a deal until like 5 or 6 years ago. Just give it some time.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:36 PM
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Men have to suck it up and go through life and take it on the chin. Yeah, and it's annoying, because feminists will claim this is rooted in Patriarchy and that they are actually helping to dismantle it... But then they complain about "emotional baggage". Then they mock men for being irrational and emotional whenever they express rushes of emotion. They demonize male anger as the source of all problems in the world. They get to pick and choose when male sadness is just being whiny and when it's v…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:34 PM
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I've been saying... make help more available instead of blaming men and masculinity for thier own problems. Stoicism was never pushed on me, I had to learn to open up less to people because I noticed very few people ever took me seriously if I chose to open up. This whole crusade to demonize masculinity and men and blame us for all problems in the world, including our own, is only making this worse. And it will have horrible consequences for men and women if left unchecked.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:19 PM
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If a man disagrees with feminism it's because he's a mysoginist who is afraid of losing power. If a woman disagrees with feminism it's because she's been brainwashed by patriarchy and because she wants to assimilate into the spheres of power she can belong to under it. If gender non-conforming people disagree with feminism it's because of internalized homophobia and seeking to approval from hetero-patriarchy. Feminism applies the same principle a lot of left-leaning discourse does. "I'm good, I …
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:11 PM
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EXACTLY. This analogy you make with reddit subs is perfect tbh. You have an echo chamber. There's voices in this echo chamber that are not echoing what the others are saying. So you ban them, take down their posts, and tell them to go make their own sub. So they make their own sub, and it's a reactionary sub, because it was born from the bad experience of being expelled and censored by the other. So you formed a new echo chamber, and this is an angry echo chamber at that. And what happens next? …
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:06 PM
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On one hand I think it's fair and logical that private companies, such as social media sites, can get to choose and pick which speech they'd like to host and not. On the other hand, I think people are being willfully obtuse if they choose to pretend that social media doesn't have massive political power and is a huge platform to change people's views. I don't think all this political power should be left in the hands of only the party you agree with. And I must say... I think it's so funny peopl…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:17 PM
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Well I wasn't planning on watching this but maybe you could put a spoiler warning on this? xD It looks like you just spoiled a huge part of the show.
/r/MensRights18/11/21 01:36 AM
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What I found in this article is that a black woman will take on the 007 codenumber but James Bond will still be a guy. Anyway, couldn't care less tbh. Never been a fan of the franchise, I wouldn't watch anyway.
/r/MensRights18/11/21 12:42 AM
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What happened?
/r/MensRights18/11/21 12:31 AM
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I may be in the minority here but I find this perfectly reasonable tbh. My problem is more with people doing one while judging the other. I'm wary of women because of my bad experiences with them. If women do the same, that's fine with me.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 10:57 PM
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This is the first time you mention class in this argument. You said "the group to blame for men's problems are men" while listing a bunch of people in positions of power most men don't belong to and sought to mantain the privileges of themselves and the women around them. If it's a class issue then say it's a class issue. You literally said it's men's fault as opposed to women's when I never even blamed women for anything. I've watched enough American media in my life to come to the conclusion n…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 08:43 PM
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You said: infinite amount of films and shows where the men are always the heroes and the strong stoic good guys that define masculinity. They don’t need to show emotion, can sexually harass people and must look a certain way. When have the heroes in those stories gotten away with sexual harrassment? As for the thing about portrayals of female characters back then. Ok. I'll give you that point. The thing is I don't think the "non-abusive" portrayals of male characters in American media nowadays a…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 06:28 PM
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You have to let go of the idea that you're gonna change someone through a reddit conversation. The process will be longer and harder than that. But it can help.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 05:35 PM
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Your last point just shows how stupid you are. If you see a show like narcos and think “wow all Latinos must be like that” then you’re brain dead. I didn't say all latinos were like that. I said latinos are entitled to have a problem with these portrayals. Also “worse” in every way, the ways you mentioned and again in literally any other possible way. Ellaborate. Even huge mainstream films like gone girl? A few exceptions here and there don't change the rule. And your points about the problems a…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 05:32 PM
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Yeah, I also find that whiny and angry behavior unmanly. Especially when they come here to compalin about mean tweets and reddit comments some evil rude women made. But I feel like the best thing is to try to approach them with compassion and empathy, and try to show them the way out of that mentality in a loving way, like a big brother or father would. I know it sounds patronizing to put it like that... but I legit feel this misogyny is often born from men (usually young boys) feeling unloved a…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 05:03 PM
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First of all, I didn't make any specific mention of how men are portrayed in the media except for the last paragraph, were I said these shows can be easily ignored. You're just making a bunch of strawmans here and arguing with ghosts. Haven’t women been portrayed worse in media in almost every way? And it’s only in the last decade or two that has started to change? Define "worse". Having less representation? Less protagonic roles? Influencing the story less? Could you provide me a list of shows …
/r/MensRights17/11/21 04:52 PM
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Generation of men being marginalized will not bode well for our society. The unforeseen and yet unknown social issues of the future that will stem from men being second citizen could have catastrophic results to society. Yep. The most terrible of which is, if you raise boys telling them they are terrible people by nature, they will feel their nature is to be terrible people. "Oh, but men are already killing and raping, nothing is different!" Yeah, it is, and imagine how much worse it would be if…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 03:48 PM
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I think they are, but when I say "choosing your battles" I don't mean giving up but knowing when to fight. I don't think this particular post in this Formula 1 subreddit was the best instance to bring up the disposability of men's lives. On another post it could've produced a good discussion, but here, it got you banned. The discussion didn't happen, no opinions were changed, and you had a bad time. I am truly not trying to judge you here, I understand your frustration. I'm trying to help you be…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 03:00 PM
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This sub surely can be eye-opening when you first step in here. But it's important to not get suck up by the negativity vortex. Be aware, don't be hateful.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 02:34 PM
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I think some people may upvote it thinking it's ironic and supposed to be funny. I thought it was a joke when I read it. But when I read that user's posting history... well, yeah. Nagl.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 11:52 AM
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It does and it's important. But I feel like there's a really defeatist and often hateful element to this sub that's to be treated with care. This defeatist attitude and hatred is probably just a normal and natural consequence of the subjects it deals with. But it's important to keep that in mind.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 11:34 AM
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I think being in this sub is turning me into a woman hater! OR, am I just waking up! OR maybe I'm getting tired of seeing the same old shit on the 'screen'? OR, just waking up to a lot of stuff that is presented 'as normal' - when it is far from normal (in my world anyway). Careful with this. This sub is a place to vent and an anti-feminist echo chamber. That's not wrong. Every god damn sub in the internet is an echo chamber, and hell, this one isn't as ban-happy as a lot of them are, so we coul…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 10:56 AM
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One double standard I've seen a lot lately that bothers me is that, when a woman says she's had a series of abusive partners, people say she has a bad picker and should start noticing the red flags. If a man says his exes were all abusive, it's because he was the abuser all along. To the men that are tired of constant rejection, all I can say is you can't let your value be determined by women, or anyone but yourself. It's a hollow advice you've probably heard before. I know. Feminism aside I fee…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 07:10 AM
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What a wonderful initiative! I hope other countries take note. I'd like to donate but it seems they only take deposits into those swiss bank accounts and idk how to do that from my country.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 06:50 AM
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Well. That's a good point lol.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 06:42 AM
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The best thing that could happen for the mens rights movement is acknowleding and calling out those sorts of comments. Acting like they dont exist actively harms our stated goals. We actually do, just not all the time, and not in the way the internet likes to call out misogyny in other sites. I personally try to be as kind as possible, trying to be empathetic to their feelings, and showing them this hatred and misogyny is bad for them on the long run. This isn't always well-received, which is un…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 06:36 AM
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They never hid it, but I don't think they ever pushed it down our throats as shamelessly as it's done now.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 06:19 AM
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Latin America. Are you European? I can imagine it's different there. European education is also highly regarded here as well, but American education is probably more sought-after because of the geographical proximity.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 06:17 AM
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That Disney thing is so true. This subtle Americanization of the masses starts from childhood. It's not just Disney, but all cartoons. Thank God Japan invented anime so kids have at least another alternative. This feels like a cultural revolution to me tbh. Like my friends keep talking shit about Americans and globalization. Start practicing what you preach. Not just with your wallet, but with your brain. Don't fucking watch these shows and movies. Don't read those articles. I don't care if you'…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 06:14 AM
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I appreciate the intellectual honesty you're displaying here. That's hard to find.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 04:51 AM
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I really hate that the MGTOW philosophy and movement came to be lumped up with the incels and all those misogynists. I am convinced a lot of straight men would be much happier if they just let go off their need for female approval and seeked to improve themselves. I won't act like the label was completely unearned. I do recall reading a lot of MGTOW posts that sounded... disturbingly misogynistic. But honestly, what those guys were proposing was literally just the male version of being a spinste…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 04:47 AM
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unfortunately the actual misogynists that hang out here give the whole sub a bad rep and that’s hard to escape. yeah, and it sucks, because you then see people sharing those comments on other communities and make everyone look bad. You come here, and you actually notice some people here call the misogyny out. Not to mention, a lot of people come here precisely looking to trigger those misogynist comments. This sub has problems but one thing I like about it is it's actually a lot more politically…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 04:38 AM
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My old man actually did his PhD On this kind of brain rot in academia and the elitism of western (in particular American) academia and it's complete dismissal of history and concepts outside their own sphere of influence and language. Ugh totally and this fucks up education across the whole globe (especially in Humanities careers) because American colleges are regarded as the pinnacle of higher education, and it's pretty much impossible for you to study a Humanities career without reading a size…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 04:08 AM
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Yeah and frankly Americans have been at the helm of globalization for too long. All cultures in the world have become Americanized to some degree, and it's affecting politics everywhere. I keep reading people in my country try to apply American terms to discuss race issues, completely ignoring our histories with racial issues are entirely different. And why are they doing this? Because of American media (not just entertainment, press too). Nothing against the American individuals here. But it'd …
/r/MensRights17/11/21 03:25 AM
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Well. I respect your autonomy. If you feel speaking your truth helps you, go ahead. I'm just a random person on the internet. I'll just say I've been there, and I found myself less stressed when I just eye rolled and moved on. I just had to learn how to pick my battles. You can tell a post/article/etc. will be littered with "men evil, women victim" narratives by reading the headline. This was obviously the case here. You didn't have to open it. Reddit even has a function to hide these posts. You…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 02:19 AM
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I actually stopped watching most shows, films, tv series etc.. about 2 years ago. Same, except for longer. Most of the media I consume now comes from Japan. Japan has its own problems, mind you. I'm not saying it's perfect. But it's less patronizing and I find Japanese tropes and cliches less annoying than those of anglosaxon media. It wasn't even a conscious choice until recently. I just found myself so bored and annoyed by American media in general. I had trouble keeping up.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 02:05 AM
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I checked the thread and plenty of people told her to not pay attention to twitter and the comments are still there. I don't understand why bringing up men dying in wars or the Titanic was necessary in a discussion like this. Idk what rules that sub has to ban people, but I do find your response unnecessarily pointed. Considering that many comments of the same vein are still up, you could've just left it at the first paragraph. Or, better yet, just roll your eyes and move on.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 01:54 AM
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Detox yourselves from anglosaxon media. Especially American media. The internet has made this easier than ever. What I detest about American media nowadays is it's patronizing tone when it adresses any issue. They are almost always trying to push an agenda on you or change your mind about something, in a very obviously politicized (dare I say, partisan?) manner. Pop culture used to avoid being too obviously political, now they made it trendy. I feel like movies and series from other countries ar…
/r/MensRights17/11/21 01:10 AM
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It's an ideology like any other, with some more radical supporters that have problematic views and deserve to be called out. Just like any other ideology I don't think anyone should be forced to adscribe to it.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 12:55 AM
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Well man what can I tell you. You just made a reddit post to complain about a reddit post a woman made to complain about comments men made in twitter complaining about a comment she made in an interview. I think the most mature thing to do might be to just let it go and break the cycle of complaining about other people's complaints.
/r/MensRights17/11/21 12:45 AM
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Yeah I agree, and I think the fact the same misandrist spreading those messages are the ones blaming the mental health issue on men themselves and their "need to prove their manliness by not showing emotion" just makes the problem worse. Idk about any of you guys but if I stopped talking about my emotions it's not because I felt less manly doing it. It's because no one ever took me seriously. Therapists are the only people that take men seriously when we talk about our issues. Because they are p…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 04:37 PM
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I didn't understand this comment, but my point was men would be able to spot female abuse more easily if it were depicted more often in the media.
/r/MensRights16/11/21 11:54 AM
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Not to be rude but I'm sure it wasnt your friend who first said that xD It wasn't so much things they said but more like how I was treated in general. I was not an equal in that relationship. I was a pet... a clown... a joke. I felt like a pug. Like they thought I was such an ugly and useless creature, I was cute. And I was so lonely... so desperate for approval... I just went on with it... But all bad things happen for a reason. Now I know how to establish boundaries. And if people don't like m…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 02:23 AM
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Embrace it. Don't apologise for being yourself. If people don't like you, that's on them. It's easier said than done, but it gets easier as you keep doing it. It's a skill you get with age. Just go out there. Experience rejection. Experience people disliking you. Get used to it. A tip I have is to always be kind, even to the people you hate. Especially the people you hate. It sounds kinda weird... but you'll get it after you get this habit. I can't put it in words, but when you find kindness wit…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 02:18 AM
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I was in my mid-late 40s before I figured out the way my sister treated me growing up would totally be called emotional abuse if a boy had done it to a girl. I was in my mid 20s when I realized the (female) friends I made in school were actually bullying me in an extremey cruel way. I'm 29 now and I can tell you the "friendship" I had with them ruined my self-esteem much more than the straight-up bullying I received from my male classmates. You know that's a thing I wish people adressed about ma…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 01:51 AM
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As someone who grew up with an abusive mom, I can tell you one of the reasons my mom was so convinced she wasn't being abusive to me at all is because of this omnipresent depiction of mothers being the most benevolent, self-sacrificing and humble people in the world. This depiction of mothers go all the way from Virgin Mary to modern sitcoms and telenovelas. The phrasing of that paragraph is questionable, yeah, but I think it'd do a lot of good to start making women like my mom more visible in m…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 01:46 AM
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I think a much more positive representation of men, male friendships and male gender roles are the reason anime is becoming so popular with younger generations. Even women seem to prefer men being depicted like this. I'm personally done with American media. I hate how much power Hollywood - and the entire American entertainment industry - has over the world. The USA has been the world's cultural epicenter for far too long and it's time we stop that. I'm glad it's changing.
/r/MensRights16/11/21 01:39 AM
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One of my favorite things about the movie "Moonlight" was the way it depicted Chiron's emotionally abusive and overbearing mother. I could deeply relate to that experience. That scene where she starts screaming but you can't actually hear anything really resonated with me. I felt like I could actually hear that scream. Because I've been there. That one scene is imo one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen in a movie. It sounds terrible but yeah, I feel like the world needs more depictions…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 01:33 AM
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American media is trash. If you want positive portrayals of male friendships, literally watch any anime ever made. The sad thing is a lot of boys watch those animes... but they seem more interested in living in them as a form of escapism instead of actually trying to form friendships like that irl (without the epicness and superpowers, obviously). It really saddens me people talk so much about how "patriarchy makes it hard for men to connect to each other". This has only been true for like 30 ye…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 01:24 AM
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Thank you for conceding defeat gracefully. It's the classiest thing you've done in this thread. May your trips to your mixed weight-lifting club be productive and fun. I hope you make some positive and healthy friendships from that. Considering you barge into r/MensRights to seek fights with people, it looks like you need them.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 11:53 PM
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My point is, if we treat it like a cure to a disease - like men are both ill and the illness - men will just feel worse about themselves and will be less likely to seek out friendships. Think of it like obesity... if you shame the obese kids into losing weight, they'll grow depressed and self-loathing and binge-eat more. The best way to inspire them to lose weight is to portray weight loss in a positive light, and show them that it can be done, and give them tips and support to do it.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 11:47 PM
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It's the women "taking out" men to these parks like they were children or dogs that I find insulting. I grew up with an emotionally abusive and overbearing mom, so I'm not very receptive to being infantilized like that. This is one of the reasons I avoid relationships with women, tbh. Once you grow up with a mom like that you become particularly sensitive to all the small things women do that infantilize men... and they are so common... I believe men will start seeking out more relationships wit…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 11:16 PM
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"Because they want to". So, non-argentinians outside of Argentina have a reason to join an Argentinian club now. See? The example wasn't contrived, it was perfectly illustrative. As for your examples. I'm talking about gay bars for gay men. Lesbians have lesbian bars. If they want to ban gay men from their bars, they can go ahead. Lesbian bars are for lesbians. Gay men have no business being there if they don't want them to be. If women have bad experiences with straight men in bars, they can ba…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 09:57 PM
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Well why would straight women want to attend a gay bar? Why would women want to attend a gentleman's club? As for your other comment. It wasn't any "shitty people". It was straight women. Bad experiences with men are the reason women exclude men from their spaces. But when I have bad experiences with straight women I'm a bigot for wanting to exclude them. Because women cant make their own bars...
/r/MensRights15/11/21 08:52 PM
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Are you gay? Do you know what it feels like to attend a space that doesn't discriminate you based on sexuality just to be treated like a pervert? I like how you didn't have anything to answer to this comment beyond a homophobic quip.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 08:38 PM
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It wouldn't kill me, but it would kill the dynamic and purpose the space was designed for. If I made a club for argentinians outside of Argentina, should I allow people of non-Argentinian descent to not be xenophobic? Am I going to die if a non-Argentinian shows up? Well,no. But its no longer a club for the argentinian diaspora. Just so you know idek where Augusta country club is and what it does. I just followed the example posted above. Edit: if women wanted to golf why couldn't they make anot…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 08:31 PM
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That isnt a separatist space by nature, its just an activity that appeals to men more than women. It doesn't prove anything. Women are not invading your space because the space wasn't designed to exclude them. Gay bars would be a good example of women invading spaces for men and ruining the dynamics they were created for. "I shut the fuck up and get over it". Oh. You "got over" it. So it did bother you that there's women around. Even when your space doesn't actually need to exclude women to work…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 08:27 PM
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... and that is wrong because? Women have spaces that exclude men as well. Are women going to die because they cant attend Augusta country club? How does this negatively impacto them in any way?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 08:19 PM
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Instead of answering with these sassy comebacks that are not nearly as clever as you think they are, could you please explain why these spaces must be changed? Why is it wrong for men to crave separatist spaces? Why do you feel such a strong need to mock men who'd like to have spaces like that? Would it be ok if I decided to invade separatist spaces for women? If I have no ill intentions, should I be allowed my way in, the way women must be allowed in our spaces? Could women not bond with likemi…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 07:44 PM
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I get it! I was just ellaborating on that point. Like everyone deserves safe spaces... but when gay men ask for the same thing, it's misogyny. And what's worse is now men are asking for those safe spaces because straight chicks are running around policing the ways consent works within the gay community.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 07:37 PM
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Dude women literally celebrate bachelorette parties and birthdays at gay bars. You have this space for gay men. This safe space for gay men. That's supposed to celebrate them and let them express their femininity and explore their sexuality like they can't do outside. And women entered those spaces. And use those spaces to celebrate themselves. And gay men can't even complain about it. They started allowing it because gay men are a minority and you need customers to keep the business running. Bu…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:46 PM
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Go outside. Call your bros. You’re allowed to hang with them, I promise. I think the point was talking about spaces where you could go meet other men and make friendships. Spaces specifically designed for men to bond with each other. The user wasn't talking about not being able to invite male friends to his house. That's just a strawman you made up.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:42 PM
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What really pisses me off is I legit wanted to help. I wasn't like "you dumb bitch, don't come tell me how to be a man!". I just felt, as a man, that this would be more productive if it were separatist. But they were so dismissive of everything I had to say. And boy don't you even dare try to show up to those "new masculinities" courses and defend traditional masculinity in any way. They will roll their eyes at you and the cucks will yell at you. Because you know this thing feminism says, how me…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:35 PM
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Yeah that's unfortunately a big problem this sub has. It doesn't pay enough attention to solutions. I wish the community was more supportive in that regard. It does make you wonder where their priorities are. Men need their space to complain though. Which is why subs like this are so necessary.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:38 PM
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If you don't want to support someone emotionally then don't fucking be in a relationship. Sex and emotional support are things that are... like... supposed to happen in a relationship. Hell we could argue that's even the point of being in a relationship. But for some reason, if men expect this from their SOs... we are acting entitled... Women can complain about men being an emotional burden. Women can also complain about men not showing enough emotion. Women can also complain about men not pleas…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:33 PM
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"Masculinity makes it hard to form bonds with other men" Bullshit. Masculinity makes it easier. Historically men's friendships with each other have lasted much longer than women's. Men had an easier time getting along with other men than women did. The demonization of male spaces and the rise of the internet and video games made men prefer lonely activities such as those, and forming online communities instead of real-life friendships. Portraying men as bumbling idiotic children that need other …
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:26 PM
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Oh I'll keep trying. I'll never give up. I completely agree male community is fundamental in solving a lot of issues. And I think in order for this to work, we need women to stay away from this.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:12 PM
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This is soooooooooo true and it really, really pisses me off how women (especially feminists) are completely unwilling to own up to any responsibility. My college was doing one of those "new masculinities" courses. I legit thought they were a good idea, but I had a problem with it. They weren't separatist. When women made their feminists assemblies, they were always separatist and were very adamant about it. I kindly proposed making this a separatist instance. I said men would feel more comforta…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:10 PM
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