Desperate-Can-8729 Archive

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24	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them.	Debate	Desperate-Can-8729	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/25 10:32 PM

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8	Most Guys Learn This Too Late No human—does the —super—hyphen.	/r/seduction	01/06/25 04:14 AM
6	Women's attraction is relative, Men's attraction is absolute. This is 100% not true. Maybe a cute 35 year old, or someone by the margins younger, but most older men are not interested in relationships with people in their 20s at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/25 01:56 AM
12	What do you guys think of never stop dating It's frustrating advice because early dating places so much emphasis on men doing all the courting in a very one-sided manner. These romantic gestures tend to equalize as you get further into the relationship, but the beginning stages is almost 100% the man. When these beginning stages are over, and the expectation moves over to the female partner to reciprocate, you will have a large portion of entitled lazy people that just will not do so. Then the romantics almost entirely fizzle as the man s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/25 05:16 AM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I didn't expect you to pop in. I'm curious since you were in the other thread. What is your take?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 07:45 PM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Yeah I don't disagree, but I'd argue that men are disproportionately harmed by the obesity epidemic when it comes to their attractiveness than women are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 07:34 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I don't even know if we would disagree with each other lol, you are way jumping the gun. I just don't want to bloat out this discussion on general Hypergamy back and forth topics. I am only interested in the phenomena of women coming out and discussing how they are not attracted to the average man. Whether or not these women are misguided or lying? Or if there is a genuine dissonance between male female attraction dynamics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 07:33 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Still that's a very interesting place to compare and contrast even if we don't have good metrics, I hadn't thought about it. Will do digging on just anecdotal conversation and see if it comes up with anything interesting. Thank you	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 06:28 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. No I'm not trying to prove that claim. Only trying to dispute over the Why's of that claim with people that believe it is true, but that the root of it comes from different places. (Runaway Hypergamy with pure Relativist Attraction, or Real Decline with Absolute Attraction.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 06:26 PM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. <image> u/spanglesandbambi Was the only person in the thread with any substance, and it was just mass downvoted and ignored. So my answer would be to engage with opposing perspectives over the substance of their argument. Usually PPD is pretty alright, but that is easily the worst thread I have seen on this forum period.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 06:09 PM
5	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Yeah this is a take so outside of lived experience that it's hard to have a serious conversation around it. The obesity epidemic has raised the average weight of all people to an unbelievable degree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:58 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I feel that if there is a biological wiring part of women's brains, where they require male appeal to a certain threshold in order to be attracted to them; understanding whether or not this is a dynamic threshold that would just increase if all men raised their appeal to that threshold, or a static one in which men are simply in deficit of with great benefits for all if they just met it. Is very important in any conversation about hypergamy in spaces like this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:50 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. To clarify my contention doesn't have anything to do with relationship gaps or specific dating market woes, outside of whether or not women are speaking to a true claim when they comment that the average man is unattractive to them, even if they are dating or married to this average man of which they are unattracted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:48 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Interesting comment, and I like the comparison of obese countries and non obese countries (this is really interesting actually I will do more research here, since it could disprove my argument). I disagree with men becoming "better people" translating to attractiveness, and disagree with Marriage rates as a stand-in for attractiveness. Women that are married to men would still initiate divorce with far too many excess variables than just attractiveness for it to be a determining statistic when e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:47 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Interesting comment. I am curious where you get this from, "Women consistently rate men much lower in facial attractiveness than vice versa even controlling for obese individuals in study samples; there's simply a large gap in attractiveness levels from womens viewpoint even with fitness contextualization.", fit male facial attractiveness being higher as a result of not being overweight, is pretty foundational to my perspective, and if you could dismantle that I would definitely start to change …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:43 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. <image> This is the first comment under best, and every comment takes the same shape as this. I think this sort of discussion is very unproductive and puts men and women in a victim/oppressor dynamic with men as the victim, in place of discussing the contents of specific claims.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:41 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. The premise is in the context of women saying that they are unattracted to the average guy. This includes women being unattracted to their partners. Whether or not attractiveness as a concept matters for men to be in relationships is outside of the scope of the discussion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:37 PM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. This is interesting, I haven't heard this one before. Do you feel that artificial hormonal factors associated with modern life has raised a woman's threshold for considering a man to be attractive? Or is it a mixture of this, and Men having a genuine deficiency in appearance with the modern world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:35 PM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I'll take a look at this, thank you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:33 PM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I feel that the minimum attractiveness threshold is a very key component of the dating market that has remained relatively constant, but is in a place of unique failing for male appeal due to modern conveniences. Why do you feel the standards would go up? If you believe there is a threshold not being met, would it not follow that meeting that threshold does not necessitate the standards dynamically raising?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:31 PM
5	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I firmly believe that only 1/10 Men would not dramatically improve their facial attractiveness if they went to 12% bodyfat. This is a pretty foundational part of my POV.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 05:28 PM
-2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. It's a difficult discussion because I am including in this average women who are not attracted to their average partner. Which is just one step further from many women coming out and saying this about non-partner men in general, but is largely true from my personal experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 02:26 AM
7	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I do get what you mean, but I don't want the discussion to be over the extent of how much attraction matters. Only discussing the dissonance between the amount of attraction the average man or woman feels for the other, and whether or not that is a real phenomena that add to women's dating woes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 01:41 AM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Hey buddy, we are on the same side here. I just want to hear your point of view and maybe challenge my own. No jokes, I'm just curious what you have to say. None of this comes from a place of resentment, I've had a lot of improvement in my own life over the past few years, and my perspective is largely born from that experience. You'd say that when women say the average man is unattractive, it is the result of "simp-ish" woman approval seeking behavior that lowers their appeal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 01:30 AM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Interesting, I like the historical progression argument. I'd argue though that physical attraction / facial attraction for men is highly contingent on weight. If all women were 20lbs heavier, but everything else stayed the same, the average man would not be attracted to the average woman even when just factoring in that one trait. That a conglomeration of traits are invalidated by just few traits out of balance in a severe way. But this is the best argument for me so far, I'll think on it for ce…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 01:23 AM
5	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. While kinda funny, that's just him looking at his analytics, a bodybuilding influencers audience being mostly male doesn't say anything about appeal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 01:03 AM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Ok yeah we might agree? I think men as a whole would just need to hit a certain threshold of appeal, and then the average woman would be attracted to the average man. I don't believe hypergamous nature would have the standards suddenly shoot up for what is attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 01:02 AM
5	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Do you believe that women that say the average man is genuinely not attractive are misinformed or wrong in some way?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:58 AM
6	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. The big mistake is just that a bulking bodybuilding guy ends up with a round ugly face, which just looks fat. If muscle is buried under 20+ lbs of fat, it doesn't generate male appeal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:55 AM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I'm confused to the point you're making. Are you saying that weight is a good or bad value for assessment? It's pretty much core to my point of view that higher bodyfat harms men more-so than women, and that if men were all shredded male-female attraction would just be more equalized.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:53 AM
0	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Interesting thread, thank you. Pretty much the opposite perspective of my POV. I'll make sure to check through it. *Edit: This thread was maybe the lowest information most whining thread I've ever read from this sub.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:50 AM
12	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Low bodyfat + some muscular base on any guy will dramatically increase male appeal. It's pretty central to my pov that the obesity epidemic disproportionately harms male appeal in this way, and that other modern conveniences have lowered it in others. When women state that they have a lack of attraction to their average male counterpart, it's my pov that it isn't a result of runaway hypergamy, but a legitimate woe of theirs dating market wise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:45 AM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. Yeah I don't think we disagree, starving but practically strong was much more of a default male body type before modern conveniences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:38 AM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I am interested in your point of view really. I don't know what you mean by OP? Are you talking about the point I was making in the post? 16% bodyfat at one point was a male average, the center of the bell curve. At some point the bell curve got pushed to 20-30%, leaving the majority of men with significantly unattractive traits, is just my meaning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:37 AM
1	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I am very curious how your version of redpill works then. I disagree pretty strongly with the pure resource hungry gold digger psychology angle, and am not sure if that's where you are at. Really does seem extremely different from your usual 80/20 betabucks redpill pov.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:32 AM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. To be clear I don't think this is a fair or just dynamic, I think that there is a primate brain part of male appeal that is not working with the obesity epidemic. But whether or not this is a "real" issue women are having with the dating market is really important to underline any conversation with redpill people about hypergamy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:28 AM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I wouldn't want to derail this thread, but I disagree with this and would argue quite a bit with the use of the stats you're using. Just to the extent that there is a new category of "soft harem" relationship that attractive men are engaging in, and that the situationship epidemic is a real and pervasive new phenomenon. It's not directly related to this thread though so we don't have to argue about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:22 AM
3	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I disagree with this pretty strongly. A fat woman is not attractive. But a woman in the 20-25 (even really pushing 30%) bodyfat % range can look both youthful and gain sex appeal, with rounded features not losing them as much appeal. Whereas for a man, if you optimize for 10-12% bodyfat, you will dramatically increase appeal even compared to 14% or 16%. I don't feel this is a fair dynamic, but the obesity epidemic uniquely harms men in a way that I don't feel is often discussed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:09 AM
0	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. If you are a shredded, athletic, attractive man. Do you believe you would not have major success on Tinder today? It feels that with 20/80 style redpill hypergamy ideology, right now with situationship "soft harem" culture, today is the ideal time to be that man, is it not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:05 AM
6	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. I'd argue that using like ratio's as a stand-in for male appeal is interesting, but doesn't apply 1 to 1 with the circumstance. Women are socialized to swipe very restrictively, if for a test the game is suddenly changed, out of habit people will just use the system in the same way. It's a pretty good argument though, if I could see this phenomenon born out in another medium / test it could change my mind for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/25 12:02 AM
2	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. It might remain, it got approved by moderation. This is less a strictly lookism discussion and more one on hypergamy / female standards and all the redpill-isms that surround it. Whether or not women are describing a real phenomenon with male appeal decline is really foundational to any discussion about hypergamy, and I haven't seen good concise discussion of it here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/25 11:57 PM
4	If all men became athletic and lean, hypergamy would not have the average woman's standards suddenly raise to re-exclude them. A few questions, Do you believe that attractive men need wealth to have relationships with women that make more income than them? Do you believe that women are not attracted to men that are attractive? The asexual comment feels anti redpill / usual hypergamy rhetoric.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/25 11:52 PM
3	LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD What does "their niche" mean to you in this context? I don't want to be dismissive, but in my experience, guys that go for goth, alt, or some sort of fun facial hair, moustache, goatee, chop, etc- needs to already be attractive generically, before they can pull of the niche look as well. Otherwise it amplifies their unattractive features. Unattractive guys trying to niche-max is the opposite of when nichemaxxing is useful from what I see around me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 12:52 AM
0	LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD How would you try to convince me that this is not the case? Otherwise it's difficult for me to change my mind, since face gains substantially improving male attractiveness, (*to the extent that with good skincare and no deformities they would become attractive), and the general obesity epidemic hurting men more than women is a core part of my perspective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 12:29 AM
0	LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD My argument would be, if you are just good shape, well dressed, not below 5'7, good hairstyle/hygiene, and great face (Will happen just from having 10-12% bodyfat, skincare and no major facial deformities I listed above), will put you in the attractive tier. I am highly valuing the face gains from low bodyfat + skincare. Sure 5% guys will be notably better looking than a 18% guy. But as an 18% guy you are getting looksmatched with 30%ish (very fuzzy, depends on location, but the sentiment is alw…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 12:18 AM
1	LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Do you have any major facial deformities? (Recessed Chin, Excessively huge other facial feature.) Are you balding prematurely? If not for either, you should just be attractive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 08:52 PM
2	LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Does in shape mean low bodyfat % or do you have a lot of fat with the muscle? A majority of men are unattractive with higher bodyfat faces. Tall won't make up for a fat looking round face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 08:48 PM
-1	LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Huge comment but I'd love for someone to debate me out of this, and can't make it it's own post. Due to Lookism the majority of Men have ACCESS to a more advantageous and consistent dating strategy than nearly all Women. I am not interested in Meta-dating discussion over whether this is good or bad, or conversations about trade-offs, but only to debate over if it's true that vaguely the top 80% of men, from above average to some range below average, have access to this advantage over almost all …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 08:35 PM
1	"The bar is in hell" and other such sayings... If average guys are genuinely less attractive to women than vice versa, isn't this necessarily true, even if both genders have the same amount of losers?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 08:34 PM
1	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Yeah I agree it's a surprisingly large amount of women, and is a culturally relevant phenomenon to talk about. But this is specifically like 30% (at most) of the group of women that are casually dating. This is not a majority of women, or 30% of women total, it's just a surprisingly large portion of that subset.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 11:48 PM
1	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already If you'd just have said 'May Have' instead of 'Usually Has' in the title, it could have been a pretty good post. > Sharing a woman with other men is going to happen with dating, it’s inevitable. It’s a competition with other men, but you’re rarely the only guy with women who date. This is true when casually dating for a longer span, but this is less than 30% of the Women in the dating market. It is more common than you'd think, but it's not the average woman at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 09:34 PM