Destinyciello Archive

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–	Q4M: Would you ever pay for a woman’s vanity procedures? I've seen plenty of before and after pictures of supposedly "good" surgery. And it's like I can't even tell what changed. They look exactly the same. Some chick went from a 6.1 to a 6.101 and spent $10,000 on that procedure. That made effectively absolutely no difference whatsoever AT BEST. I've also seen a ton of really bad examples of those horrific fish lips or that weird Madonna/Michael Jackson face. They were way better looking before they got a single surgery done.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 10:03 PM
–	Q4M: Would you ever pay for a woman’s vanity procedures? No. And mostly because breast implants and nose jobs look FUCKING DREADFUL. Why would I spend $ to make my woman look uglier? That whole industry is a total farce. Best case scenario is that you completely don't notice that she even had surgery. Which means she looks exactly the same as before. As soon as you start to notice it, it universally looks like utter shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 09:49 PM
0	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage Not in my experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 08:27 PM
-1	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage One man's trash is another man's treasure is an accurate depiction of everything of value including women. We can say the same thing about houses, cars, jobs or really just about anything. Lebron James would think a $1,000,000 a year job is garbage. Most of us would kill for it. There's also another popular saying "show me a hot woman and I'll show you a guy who is tired of fucking her". That tends to be true in many cases as well. When the novelty wears off it's nowhere near as exciting. Men se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:38 PM
-2	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage disagree entirely. "want to fuck" = not all that attractive or has some serious defects "gf/marriage material" = attractive with no serious baggage that's it How long she makes him wait on sex. At least in my experience makes no difference whatsoever. And like I said the reason people make this mistaken observation is because a lot of men will gladly fuck women they would never date. So when the relationship turns into used for sex they assume it was because she gave it up too easy. When in real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:19 PM
1	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage If she's right in his league. Sleeping with him on the first date will not dissuade him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:12 PM
2	Men choose the wrong women for ltr or marriage I don't know too many guys who won't date a hot woman because she gave it up to him too early. I think what really happens is that men will very often not say no to free vagege even if they don't really like the chick. So if some woman is coming on to t hem. Free dick and nothing else is precisely what she will likely get. That gives this impression. But in reality men want easy and quick sex from both parties. They will just develop feelings for the hotter one's.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 07:01 PM
1	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy You don't choose who and what turns you on. You can't just look at some random homeless fucker turn on some switch and suddenly he's Jessica Alba. It just doesn't work that way. Attraction is involuntary.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 01:51 PM
2	What explains the difference in how some men respond to authority, admiration, and emotion when it comes from women versus other men. You never felt the urge to beat the shit out of someone? Like someone pissed you off or even physically assaulted you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 05:06 PM
3	What explains the difference in how some men respond to authority, admiration, and emotion when it comes from women versus other men. All men are tempted to be violent from time to time. Violence is part of our core. If a man never feels the need to be violent he probably has extremely low testosterone. Shit I imagine most women feel the urge to become violent in their lives from time to time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 04:59 PM
6	What explains the difference in how some men respond to authority, admiration, and emotion when it comes from women versus other men. Not at all. Understanding your biology and making sure you don't succumb to bad behavior is a major part of being a man. You have to understand that violence was the correct answer to a lot of situations for 99% of our species history. You have to recognize that you live in the 1% era where you should not succumb to that temptation. Knowing and understanding that is far better than whatever nonsense the people who pretend it's not innate suggest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 04:08 PM
6	What explains the difference in how some men respond to authority, admiration, and emotion when it comes from women versus other men. Until you realize we see the same exact behavior pretty much everywhere on the planet and that many of our ape like cousins also display this exact same behavior. Must be all culture. It's like the prerogative is to "deny the effect of nature at all costs".	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 02:54 PM
9	What explains the difference in how some men respond to authority, admiration, and emotion when it comes from women versus other men. The freshman cowering to a male PE teacher is pretty simple to comprehend. The woman teacher can't kick his ass. The male PE teacher can. The authority comes from the capacity from brutality. That is just how ancient ape like brain structure reacting in an innate manner. You can take the ape out of the forest. But you can't take the forest out of the ape. Our environment has changed a lot over the last 2000 years. Genes take a lot longer to adjust.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 12:44 PM
1	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy Not necessarily. You gotta look at the desired outcome. Let's say an NFL team owner puts his kid in as starting QB. They go 0-16. He had access to much better QBs but decided to play his child who sucks at it. Now yes technically his merit was being his dads son. But the actual merit is QB ability of which he didn't have enough. I think that is the mistake people make in dating. They think desired outcome is "you're dating a nice girl". When in reality most guys want "a woman I enjoy fucking who…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 12:06 PM
1	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy Men don't either. That is just human nature. God or the Spaghetti monster or random genetic mutations created it. We just exist within it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/26 11:06 AM
0	Q4Men: Would you truly spend a year or more with a woman with zero intention of being serious/ married? And let her think otherwise? Men do this ALL THE TIME. It is in our nature to lead women on. Just like it is often in women's nature to lead men on. It is normal human behavior. Sometimes these relationships turn into long term commitments. Often they do not. He was probably lonely and would take any kind of company. Even if he didn't really like her that much. Is it justified? I mean ehhhhhhhh isn't that what we tell people to do? The whole "don't judge a book by it's cover" thing. I've done this before. Dated people that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 06:22 PM
0	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy They do choose it on meritocratic features. The value is determined by what you bring to the table. If you are genetically good looking. That is all that you need to bring to the table. The thing people are really opposed to is how we select partners naturally. Yes maybe we should select based on good character or whatever. But we don't. We often select on superficial features that have nothing to do with effort and are often not what people THINK we should be selecting based on. Your talent at …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 05:44 PM
1	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy No. Equality of opportunity and meritocracy are two completely separate concepts. I had the same exact opportunities as Lebron James. But his merit would always be a million times higher than mine because of his genes. No matter how much time I spent practicing basketball. NBA is a near perfect meritocracy and they could give a fuck how much effort you put in. The only thing they care about is can you put the ball in the net and prevent others from doing so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 05:14 PM
2	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy Merit is not based on what you earn. It's based on your abilities. Me and Lebron James could spend the same exact time practicing basketball. I was not born a 6 foot 9 gigantic athletic freak. I would never command the same merit on a basketball court that he can. No matter how hard I work. Merit does always mean "more effort". Merit means what you can produce. Lebron James is simply a better basketball player. If your goal is to win basketball games you will take him even if I spent way more ti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 04:47 PM
1	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy Wealth, Family connections race and gender holding no weight is a fantasy. They are a part of what you bring to the table. If you're a salesman your connections are a HUGE part of your merit. In fact in the business world as a whole your ability to network is enormous. How can that not be part of it? Gender too. You really think it would be more meritocratic to have women playing in the NBA? They would get obliterated by the worst male players. Merit is not gender neutral. Men are much better at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 03:36 PM
1	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy I guess I disagree. Most of the hot women I see would likely be even hotter if they didn't have a pound of make up caked on their face. I do agree that being fat detracts a lot from it. That much is for sure. But even that is genetic to some degree. Overall though the merit aspect is the value you bring. Regardless of whether it's earned or not. Few would argue that a lot of sexual prowess merit is not earned at all but rather gained through genetics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 03:33 PM
10	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy I think you meant the exact opposite of meritocracy. Dating is not equitable is what you really wanted to say. I doubt too many people would disagree with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 12:44 AM
56	Attraction isn’t a meritocracy What exactly do you think meritocracy means? Meritocracy implies you are measured by your value. In dating your value is often determined by things that are outside your control. Like your genetics or your parents wealth. But that is meritocracy. It's just that people don't like how the merit is weighed. If a woman is a gigantic piece of shit. Who is an asshole to everyone. Who backstabs all her friends. But happens to be hot. Her merit is her physical appearance. Not all that other shit. Most d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 11:56 PM
–	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Not in my experience. I spent months paying attention to real life couples.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 05:39 PM
–	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Video Games, Social Media, Netflix etc are also part of the problem. We get flooded with dopamine at home. Why leave the house? Porn is just a part of the bigger problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:57 PM
–	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. You're missing a big part of that equation Porn + Social isolation. Most couples are looksmatched. But why? Why do people gravitate towards others of the same attractiveness level? Why does that instinct exist? How does that even manifest? Why does that instinct exist? Because if every single person ONLY had interest in the top 5% of the group. Then most people would never procreate. We instinctually "lower our expectations" based on what society gives us as opportunities. How does that even man…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 01:11 PM
1	Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else? I would argue that if you're going to show parents and daughters PICTURES. What else are they supposed to rate them on? Cause wasn't the methodology ask first then show them pictures and compare results. What else can they gleam from pictures? Have you ever read a brief description of you? Does that genuinely describe who you are? That is why online dating is extremely lookist. It's fairly decent at portraying information about physical appearance. Which works really well for males. But not part…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 10:51 AM
3	Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X this is my favorite study We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. 1000 times! not even 10 or 100 times. It's like that information was largely irrelevant to males.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 08:11 PM
8	Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else? So you'd fuck a homeless guy that made you laugh? I mean that's possible I suppose but would you say that is the average observation? If we took 1000 women and asked them how many would fuck a homeless guy what would you expect that % to be 1-2%? Yes women do look for money and status. It often presents itself in different ways. For example charisma is a sign of high social status. Talent is a sign of potential to attain money or social status. Ability to lead a group or even be an aggressive ja…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 04:04 PM
8	Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else? Have you asked yourself WHY they bring you genuine joy? Would a homeless man bring you genuine joy? It's a shorthand and it's useful. Women look for a combination of 3 things. LOOKS + MONEY + STATUS. Obviously every woman is different. There is all sorts of deviations and exceptions to that rule. But it's still far more useful than pretending it is completely random and impossible to quantify. It may be somewhat random on the individual level but plenty of patterns can be gleamed by looking at l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:30 PM
4	Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else? Yes but they like men who have a good combination of looks + money + status. Most people don't even comprehend that a lot of this "good personality" and "charisma" is just short hands for "signs of high social status". A man who is capable of protecting and taking care of the family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 03:15 PM
8	Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else? Both men and women are pretty shit at understanding how each other chooses partners. Women want the guy to love them for "personality" or their "career". When men simply don't select that way. You're either hot or you're not. Everything else is a distant #2. Men want the woman to want to sleep with him on first sight. The way a lot of guys feel about attractive women. The idea that other things get evaluated is lost on them because they don't function that way. So yes a lot of inexperienced guys…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 02:52 PM
5	Do men just want to be seen as attractive and nothing else? The whole concept of "settled for" is braindead idioticy. What you really don't want is a partner that is not satisfied with you. That can arise for all sorts of different reasons. If a Chad gets fat and loses his sex appeal. She may have been into him at first. But now she is not satisfied with him. She may have no "settled" for him. But she will cheat on him all the same. Not every relationship where the woman is better looking is her "settling". She might genuinely like the guy. Often due to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/26 02:48 PM
1	No matter who you are or what opinions you hold, if your views on dating and gender relations come from second-hand "online experiences", those opinions aren't worth much It's not always the biological parents. People died a lot more often back in the day. But it very often was and still is. We have parental instincts for a reason. Yes some children were raised by other adults in the tribe. No doubt about that. Probably why humans can develop parental like attachment towards non-biologic children. But that is not very common and often nowhere near as profound as the attachment people receive to their biologic children. The Cinderella effect is a very real and stu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 07:25 PM
2	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options Yes because human females select on looks money and status. A lot of men get selected on the latter 2 because they lack the looks. I don't agree with these "women have higher standards" framings. I think society as a whole has produced a situation where women get to pick between being used for sex and not having any options they find attractive. Because we have made it so that women and men have the same social status and make the same $. Men also have out of this world standards because they st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:37 PM
2	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options That's not options. I've been married for 7 years. I'm talking about the dating market as a whole. Bad options are not options. You can't just make yourself want someone. It's impossible. That is not how human sexuality works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:29 PM
5	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options I haven't used a dating site in 7 years. So you think that telling some lonely woman that there is plenty of stank disgusting homeless men would fuck her would be somehow beneficial to her? Do you expect to say "oh no way, shit let me go down to the local dump right now to spread my legs for one of these assholes". And realize the same reason she would never do that is why most men dont want to fuck fat women. BECAUSE ITS FUCKING DISGUSTING hehehe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:28 PM
3	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options A disgusting option you do not want is not an option. That's like telling some lonely woman "there's plenty of homeless men who haven't showered in a month that would love to fuck you". A lot of good that would do for her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:24 PM
4	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options ok so what? I also identify as a race realist. You think scary labels have any effect on me? My loyalty is to reality not political correctness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:23 PM
1	No matter who you are or what opinions you hold, if your views on dating and gender relations come from second-hand "online experiences", those opinions aren't worth much Humans have always assisted each other. We still have daycares. We still have k-12 education. But there has always been a primary caregiver just like there is now. If the default for our ancestors was to just dump the children to some communal pile. We wouldn't get so obsessively attached to them. It simply wouldn't exist. There would also be no reason for people to pair bond. There would be no love. There would be no couples. Those things were not invented. It is normal biologically based behav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 06:22 PM
5	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options It isn't. I'm not one of those that blames women for this mess. They are just doing what they are programmed to do (through nature). Same as men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:31 PM
4	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options Useless fat asses are not options for the same reason gay men and inanimate objects like watermelons are not options. Because they are not something anyone actually wants to fuck. The one's who do want to fuck them usually have plenty of options but they are a tiny proportion of the overall male population.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:15 PM
4	r/Bumble proves men do, in fact, have options Where is your source on this? Genuinely curious. Where do you see guys with dozens of options? Are we controlling for useless fat asses and spam bots?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 05:06 PM
1	No matter who you are or what opinions you hold, if your views on dating and gender relations come from second-hand "online experiences", those opinions aren't worth much Completely wrong. This is not biological determinism. This is the intentful introspection of why people do the things they do. Our instincts never went away. Our cognitive abilities far surpass our ancestors but we are largely still the same apes. Just look at the news. Look at the behavior of people around you. Soon as you remove the veil in becomes abundantly clear that we are just very intelligent apes that behave in a predictable ape like manner. If you seek to understand sexuality which is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 03:42 PM
1	No matter who you are or what opinions you hold, if your views on dating and gender relations come from second-hand "online experiences", those opinions aren't worth much Function and utility are god in my world. Science just happens to be a good tool to accomplish those things in many cases. But this is more of a sociologic subreddit. Why are young people miserable these days? Probably because they are not forming pair bonds. Humans are pair bonding animals and by about 25-30 we are expected to be pair bonded with our own biologic children. Historically that often meant 4-7 children as so many of them died before adulthood. That is science. When you look at HOW …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 03:24 PM
-5	No matter who you are or what opinions you hold, if your views on dating and gender relations come from second-hand "online experiences", those opinions aren't worth much That is a scientific fact. Human females primary role is to nurture children. If you strip everything down to basic biology. That is what it is. No subjective valuation required. Just good old genetics and nature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 12:35 PM
4	No matter who you are or what opinions you hold, if your views on dating and gender relations come from second-hand "online experiences", those opinions aren't worth much What you think we did is remove ourselves from our biology. What we really did is just add layers to it. That's the key distinction. People think "well if I'm working on my career I must not be thinking about family". You may not be thinking CONSCIOUSLY about family. But the whole point of you having a career is to help take care of your future family. That is where the instinct to be productive comes from. Apart from the obvious survival instinct where you need to be productive just to stay ali…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 12:17 PM
-2	No matter who you are or what opinions you hold, if your views on dating and gender relations come from second-hand "online experiences", those opinions aren't worth much "A woman's primary role is to be a mother-" no one fucking asked dude. I mean if you're a science guy how can you deny this? The primary role of any human is to be a parent. Without that our species goes extinct. We have the most helpless babies in the mammalian kingdom. They require a tremendous amount of upkeep to bring to adulthood. Why do you think pretty much every society on planet earth regardless of religion or how rich they are obsesses about love, family and child rearing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 12:07 PM
–	Panama criminalizing paternity fraud is a model for every country to follow Yes seriously. It's a despicable crime.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/26 03:20 AM
3	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. So you're saying that physical appearance is the only thing that can make you desire a man? There are some women like that indeed. But those are not the type that are leaving their countries to marry a foreigner. Unless they are the hooker types. Which I specifically call out in my comments. If you go to a country like Colombia, Brazil, Ukraine, Phillipines. You have to have your wits about you. 50% of the women who so called want to date you are going to be visa scammers, regular scammers, hook…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 06:10 PM
2	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. The rate of divorce is higher in normal American couples. All wives and husbands are capable of cheating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 06:08 PM
4	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. They do. Human females select differently form human males. Human females desire THEIR PARTNER. The trick is you have to make sure she is actually partnering up with you. Which means finding a real woman not some instagram whore or party animal. Or even worse prostitute.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 05:55 PM
1	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. Yes no shit. But that wasn't the original topic. We were discussing Passport Bro tactics. This tendency is precisely why it ends up working out for a lot of men and usually doesn't work out for women. If men and women evaluated in an identical manner then the whole passport bro thing would be worthless. You would indeed just be bringing home a useless long term prostitute who would abandon you the second she finds a better donor. But that's just not the nature of these relationships a lot of the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 05:49 PM
0	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. If she is unattractive she has no package. She can't be the "whole package" by definition. The physical attractiveness is the majority of the package to begin with. It's like if I gave you the french fry carton without the french fries and you said "well if you're hungry why don't you just eat the carton".	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 05:44 PM
2	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. People get called all sorts of IST words when they speak the truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 05:38 PM
-1	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. That ignores human nature. Humans are a pair bonding species. You're painting this as some "hot chick desperate". But a lot of these are just regular women. They have jobs, they have educations, they have friends, they may not even want to leave. Human females select on looks, money and status. Which is basically the equivalent of a fat American woman flying a plane to Brazil and losing 150lbs as soon as she lands. Obviously it doesn't work that way for women because women are primarily selected…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 02:50 PM
4	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. I believed that for most of my life. But it runs contrary to human nature. It's the grown up equivalent of this. You have Tracy a very sexy slim cheerleader with a pretty face. And Gabby a fat ugly chick with an ugly face and terrible body. But for some reason they are good friends. Tracy starts dating a guy that Gabby also likes. Tracy is so happy talking about their relationship. Of course Gabby the miserable jealous freak is going to say "you know he only wants you for your body, he doesn't c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 02:12 PM
0	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. I never understood the whole mail order bride thing. A proper passport bro will move to the country and live there for a while. So that whole mail order thing doesn't make sense at all in that frame.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 02:06 PM
-1	Passport Brooing is nothing different then cheaper Escort Spamming. The biggest difference is when a person Passport Bros they are looking for a wife not a hooker. It's simple biologic arbitrage. Males select on physical appearance. Females select on physical appearance + money + status. If you don't have enough physical appearance to get a high quality woman as a male. You're in luck because your money and status can complement for it. That is just how our species select partners. Most males are not attractive enough to attract women with looks alone. That too …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 01:50 PM
–	It is the government’s job to fix the male loneliness issue Eugenics implies stopping people from reproducing. This is the opposite. It's preventing people from self eugenics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 10:30 PM
–	It is the government’s job to fix the male loneliness issue It really boils down to one thing. Society which as you correctly pointed out means government. Has to MASSSSSSSSSSIVELY incentivize getting married and producing biologic children. Yes I know all those piss poor nations like Hungary and Romania already tried it. But I don't mean the pennies they were throwing. I mean massive incentives. Such as for example "zero property and income taxes for all married couples with biologic children under 18". Something like that. Now that would put a dent in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 09:39 PM
2	Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦‍♂️ lol is it really that hard to comprehend? Most males obsess about sex. That is just how their brain is built. You're basically asking a dog to stop barking. A lot of guys figure out that you don't actually put this on display. Pretend like there are other things that matter, as there often are. But do you want honesty or do you want a performance?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/26 01:16 PM
12	You can't LOGIC your way into a women's heart. For men here - autistic analysis of every single detail is one of the reason for failure in dating. Yes you absolutely can. If you want to maximize your chances of finding a woman you must do these 4 things. 1) Looks max. Get in the best shape possible (which doesn't mean steroid body builder btw, that's way too much). Learn how to dress and groom yourself. 2) Career/Money max. An important nuance is that unlike males who select almost entirely on looks female select on money and status as well. In fact a large chunk of men are selected this way as most guys tend to be average looking, but som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/26 11:39 AM
1	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical I never said "only want high status men". It's an average preference. Some women ONLY care about status. Some don't care at all. Some don't even want men. Just the average female tends to value looks, money and status. If your goal is to attract women you should focus on those aspects. You keep repeating yourself and I already answered. I agree its 50% nurture and 50% nature. Pointing out further examples of nurture don't actually get us anywhere. I already agree it has influence. The most impor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 06:34 PM
1	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical You are giving examples of societal influence. I never argued it had no influence. I am stating that the innate biologic factors are often glossed over. When in reality they account for about 50% of it. What you are giving examples of are usually the other 50%. Which I openly admit exist. Economically independent women is toxic to the dating market. Women are basically selecting the way upper 10% of women selected historically. Because only about the top 10% of women ever had enough status to be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:52 PM
2	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical What the fuck does foot blinding or lip stretching have to do with it? I never argued that socially reinforced pressures of any kind don't exist. Obviously they do. I am arguing that a lot of what people think is socially conditioned. Is just innate preferences. Like for example skinny/fit women. That is an innate preference. The argument is usually "yeah but look at all those rubenesque women the painters used to pain". You have to ask yourself. Who had the $ to get themselves painted? Was it t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:31 PM
2	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical Your brain has pre-wired behavioral patterns. That you are born with. Not everyone is the same obvious. But humans have instincts that are fairly common. Such as the male instinct to value fertile tits. Or how about a fertile looking ass. Or how about a pretty feminine face? All of those are wired instincts. Even if you dropped a bunch of young males and females on some deserted island completely separate from society. THey would still develop these patterns once they became of age. Because it's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:54 PM
0	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Never said it was. I said it was a characteristic we associate with human males.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:38 PM
2	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Using their brains. That is how.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:37 PM
-2	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Yes that is what I mean. When a butch woman acts like she is going to kick your ass. You know in the back of your mind that is akin to a 2 year old threatening you. Unless she has a weapon. I have had at least 2 different butch women threaten me. So yes it still happens even in the modern world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:37 PM
1	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? I don't think that really matters. We're talking about semantic definitions. Being big and muscular is a human male characteristic and thus considered masculine. The fact that female body builders exist doesn't discount that. Some guys are into that. But that is typically something women want in a partner not men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:31 PM
1	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? That is most definitely masculine behavior and thought pattern.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:28 PM
-2	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Human male characteristics. Defined by sexual dimorphism.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:28 PM
1	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Yes masculinity is often tied to ability or at least the threat of violence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:25 PM
-3	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Most Butch women can't back it up. So people just laugh at them behind their back. If push came to shove even most weaker males can easily overpower a typical butch woman. Which is why their tirades are usually looked at more like a 2 year old throwing a fit. Then something to be taken seriously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:15 PM
1	We shouldn't incentive young heterosexuals to have relationships, maybe the opposite Yes agreed. Me and you see things very differently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:02 PM
0	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical Equalizing under the law. Human behavior is a totally different ball game. Women don't need money and status. They are only selected on looks and the threshold is much smaller. Yes beneficial to the economy and detrimental to the dating market and nuclear family. You got it. For most of human history economic problems were a far bigger concern than people finding someone to fuck. Rich people problems to some degree, but problems nonetheless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:02 PM
6	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical Yes but the dating market for women sucks as well. Having a ton of bad options is not a good market. If you went to a gay bar or some nursing home. Where everyone wants to sleep with you. But they were all men or very old women. You would not feel content. If you invite a bunch of sexy women to America on "go get married" visa. You would make the situation even worse for women. I'm not arguing that men have it worse. I'm arguing that women also have it bad. Maybe not as bad because at least they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 03:40 PM
8	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical This would trash an already bad dating market for women. Thats the fundamental problem with doing that. Otherwise Western nations would already be doing it. Women are not "punishing" men by not having sex with them. Nature intended men to be selected on either looks or money/status. When you equalize men and women. When there is no obvious status difference. A lot of men seem unappealing. That is a structural flaw that is incredibly difficult to address. Because equalizing men and women has been…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 03:30 PM
0	We shouldn't incentive young heterosexuals to have relationships, maybe the opposite Climate change will get solved by technology. It's modern day Malthusianism. You're setting people up for failure if you're not teaching them simple shit like "most people will feel their life is meaningless if they don't get married and have kids". Teach them that. If they choose not to do those things. That is entirely on them and they have a right to make that decision.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 03:12 PM
0	We shouldn't incentive young heterosexuals to have relationships, maybe the opposite Climate change will be solved by technology. Not destroying your own nation and culture. High consumption is the default human behavior. It's not going anywhere until you start genetically engineering some kind of drone humans who act more like worker ants. We should do the exact opposite of what you're saying. Tell young heterosexuals that we are a pair bonding species and that if you don't have kids by 25-35 your life will feel empty and meaningless. Because it happen to be true and telling pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 02:25 PM
3	Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men? I am pleasantly surprised by all the replies. Allow me to double down. It's simple biology. Males don't get pregnant. They have the actual dual mating strategy 1) Fuck a lot of women. Preferably attractive ones. 2) Pair bond with one and raise children together. Both are perfectly viable in the wild where you don't have child support or paternal tests. This is why fathers typically hate when their daughters dress slutty. They innately comprehend this mechanic. This is why men are always chasing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/26 05:05 PM
0	Why doesn't accurate information bring women more comfort Trying to introduce logic into an emotionally driven argument will never produce positive results.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/26 03:15 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question Exactly. Which is why we are a pair bonding species. A man gets attached first to the mother. Then once the babies are born to the babies. Then he sticks around for a while. For nature it's preferably until the children can fend for themselves. Obviously that doesn't always happen. Or sometimes the attachment lasts a lifetime. But the general mechanics are pretty easy to understand. Flood the human male brain with attachment chemicals. He will stick around and help with the kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 03:34 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question I was explaining the dual mating strategy that males display 1) fuck fuck fuck 2) Pair bond with one and sire many children Both are perfectly viable. Yes sometimes the pair bond falls apart well before their children age sexual maturity. Definitely happens. Never argued otherwise. You're assuming a pair bond HAS TO last a certain amount of time. When it is obviously highly variable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 08:43 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question The same way that we raise our children is how we always have. The other humans in the community help now too. A large % of the time children spend in day care, k-12 schools, with their grandparents, aunts etc. But there has always been the primary caregivers which is usually their biologic parents. I did pick one. Humans are pair bonding creatures. Both the male and the female are capable of getting attached to their biologic children. If we weren't pair bonding only the females would get attac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 08:39 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question pair bonding doesn't have to be for life. Not sure why you think that. In fact human pair bonds sometimes last days. Sometimes last a lifetime. I never said that you couldn't have one without the other. But the attachment itself exists to facilitate child rearing. Nobody who studies human psychology would argue against that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 08:24 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question Huh? What do you mean why? For the same exact reasons. They get attached to their children because if they didn't they would die. They get attached to their partner because the partner helps them raise children. If there was no pair bonding. There would be no attachment. There are many species like this. The guy delivers his nutt and walks off forever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 08:23 PM
2	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question Again like I said. If what you were saying was true. Human males would never develop significant attachments towards their partners or their own children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 08:19 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question We are pair bonding animals. Human males would never get attached to their children or their partners if we were not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 08:08 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question You can be certain if you're the only one fucking her. Why do you think males are naturally disgusted by sluts. Even if they are attractive. That mechanism exists for that exact reason. Cause if you date some whole. Unless she is with you 24/7 you can't know if the kids she carries in your belly are yours. But yes our ancestors had concepts of trust just like we do now. You didn't need a paternity test if your pair bonded partner was a trustworthy person not a trashy whore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 07:37 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question I disagree. Both human males and human females are extremely jealous innately. To the point where they are willing to get violent. SO yeah monogamy is kind of baked into it. Particularly for males. If a male was fine with raising other males children all the time. Their genes would die. Cucks naturally breed them selves out of the selection pool. Which is why they tend to be outliers nowadays. Most men want to raise THEIR OWN children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 07:11 PM
0	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question I am saying they do. Not sure how you got that from what I said. Humans pair bond. Sometimes for life. Sometimes for a short bit. Their pair bond for the same reasons every other species does it. To raise children together. Our children require a gigantic amount of time to become adults. Thus our pair bonds tend to be longer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 07:07 PM
1	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question Males have a dual mating strategy. In fact males are the only one's that do 1) fuck fuck fuck 2) Pair bond with one and sire many children raising them together. If males didn't pair bond. Our species males would no give a flying fuck about their children. We do see that a lot in the animal kingdom. The sort of obsessive attachment male fathers display towards their biologic children suggests that this is not the case at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 07:00 PM
0	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question That sounds like complete nonsense. I'm sure some animals do this. But this kind of behavior would have led to our species dying out a long time ago. A man doesn't want to raise someone else's children. Even now they often react violently despite knowing they will end up in prison. Imagine how they took it when there was no law enforcement. Yes some males do cheat on their female. But again if this was "normal" most of our children would be bastards and it is extremely difficult to survive in th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 06:57 PM
11	Men who are successful, high earners, or providers— I have a debatable question No it's not. Humans are pair bonding creatures. You're effectively abusing your womans trust if you do that. You're ultimately setting everyone up for failure including yourself by behaving that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 04:39 PM
2	Men will accidentally push anti-male propaganda And your best example of that is someone popping a balloon? What crime was committed there? We have almost 2,000,000 people in American prisons and jails. Obviously people who actually act out get punished for it all the time. So I'm really not sure what on earth you're trying to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 04:18 PM
2	Men will accidentally push anti-male propaganda Does the red pill argue that prisons don't exist? Or that breaking the law will not cause you to end up in prison?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 02:50 PM
2	Men will accidentally push anti-male propaganda Yeah we have prisons for that 😄	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 02:46 PM
–	Men will accidentally push anti-male propaganda The fundamental problem for people like LillthOfBabylon is that they fail to comprehend that there is a wide gap between HOW THE WORLD REALLY IS and HOW WE WANT THE WORLD TO BE. People like that genuinely believe that the only reason we don't live in the world we want to be in. Is because people choose it to be this way. The idea that scarcity is a thing kind completely boggles their mind. Male human instincts are built around scarcity. Scarcity of food, scarcity of safety, scarcity of provision…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 02:07 PM
1	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. Well... It helped me piece it together. There's gotta be some cognitive dissonance for a lot of these more hardcore black pill type guys between the fact that Chads are maybe 5-10% of the male population and yet 60-70% of the male population end up married and with kids. That helped me figure out what nature was actually doing. When it comes to Chad. That screams "high quality genes". The rules for them are very relaxed. They almost have to red flag themselves out. But what about normies? We see…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 01:02 PM
2	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. Agreed and you got me there 👍	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:58 PM
4	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. hahaha. So not wanting a man in your line up is being a bigot? hot take. But not surprising from lillthofbabylon. What do you think a woman would do if they put some stinky homeless guy with missing teeth in the lineup? That's the comparable effect. There's a difference between tolerating the LGBT and some asshole producers putting a guy in your lineup. One is cool the other is a straight up insult. Whoever is teaching you ain't teaching you common sense either 😛	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:58 PM
4	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. The bag of gifts was the interesting take. It took me a while to piece it together. Women get hit on by chads and normies all the time. A chad can turn them on by just being Chad. But if only Chads turned women on our species would have fucking died out by now. She is describing the way a normie can get in her pants. But in a way that doesn't make it sound bad. She is literally saying "him doing that makes me wet". Something most guys can not comprehend because a woman giving us gifts will not p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:53 PM
12	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. Didn't we already go over this lol. Because most men realize that putting a man in a straight mans lineup is going to piss them off. They see this as a normal reaction. If a normal reaction makes women like you less then oh fucking well. I think they do realize that some cohort of women don't comprehend that men are insulted by the insinuation that they are gay. But they just don't give a shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:48 PM
7	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. You don't need introspection to vet out the shitty one's. You need logical deduction sure. But introspection deals with understanding your own motivations. Figuring out that Chad is selling you lies is a separate skill. That yes a lot of women do tend to develop over time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:45 PM
8	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. Sexual attraction is a hard gateway. Everything else happens after the "is she sexy" evaluation. Thus as a woman if you seek to maximize your sexual market value. You really only need to focus on your appearance. Everything else is in a distant 2nd place to that. Yes men are "shallow". That is how a large % of us are programmed to select sexual/relationship partners. Doesn't mean other things don't matter. Obviously they do. Nobody wants to date some Shanene with 5 baby daddys or some psycopath …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:43 PM
-1	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to women. Shit I went on dates for a year before I found my wife. One of the first things you learn is learn how to listen and compliment. It doesn't mean you have to take it as gospel. But you should listen. It goes a long way. What I'm really saying is. Listening to women is not going to help you figure out what is going on. In fact the most I ever learned was by listening to what my wife and her friends talk about once they started drinking. Before we ever …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:37 PM
8	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. They don't need to understand what makes them like a certain guy. With men it's very simple. Is she pretty or not? Any male with 2 functioning brain cells can easily figure out what he likes in women. For women it's a more complex issue. But one they don't need to understand fully in order to find mates. Mates come to them asking for their hand. They just need to select. In most cases they select on vibes and emotions. Not logic and reasoning. That's not a knock on them. That is how a lot of peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:33 PM
5	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. I agree that a lot of Red Pill influencers sell bullshit. So we don't really disagree. But you should listen to people who actually know how its done. Not the fish themselves. And yes I get that fishing is not exactly comparable since we're killing and eating the fish. But it's an easy way to explain that point. That women are not the best arbiters of what gets a larger amount of women into a guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:18 PM
10	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. Most women don't need any introspection whatsoever to find viable mates. SO they don't really practice it. The answer to "what kind of man do you want" lacks any nuance or serious examination. Just whatever comes to her head in the moment. Aka it's not because they are stupid. It's not something they genuinely spend a lot of time thinking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:11 PM
15	Red Pill men trust their self-motivated inccorrect observations of women more than women's own explanations. If you want to learn how to fish. Ask the fisherman not the fish. All pills have some truths to them. Red pill tends to be the one most grounded in reality for most situations. And really it depends on which flavor and interpretation of the red pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:09 PM
–	Why should women care that men don't have partners? 1) the fact that some people engage in shitty behavior even when they have kids or grand kids. Doesn't discount the fact that the proportions are totally different. Also you said "grand dad". I was a junky and when I had kids I made a deal with myself that I would stay completely drug free until my youngest child turns 18 (which is now 16.5 years away). SO maybe he made the same deal lol. 2) no that's not the argument. The argument is how can we structure the incentives in society to produce mor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/26 10:45 AM
–	Why should women care that men don't have partners? Good question. For a few reasons 1) Women are also significantly increasing in singledom rates. A lot more women don't get married or have children. That is utterly detrimental to their wellbeing. Humans are pair bonding creatures and if we fail to pair bond in our fertile years we get into shit like drugs and other destructive behavior. Simply because we have no reason not to. The family structure prevents a lot of apathy and bad behavior. 2) Nothing is more dangerous than a large group of men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/26 10:21 AM
2	Being a jackass and being a desperate Simp doormat is NOT mutually exclusive. But why can't you be factual. Obviously women who are VERY ATTRACTIVE are way above them on the dating market value. You have to be a moron to believe otherwise. I agree with your initial premise. That is quite hypocritical. But it's also true. Those women are literally superior to them in that frame. That man simping for them will literally never in his life have the same sex appeal. Even if he was a billionaire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/26 01:51 AM
1	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. Very simple. The simple act of insinuating that someone is gay is a MASSIVE INSULT in many cultures and societies. Even in United States. You putting a trans person in that lineup. Effectively a guy with a dick. Is the same as saying "hey we thought maybe you were gay". Him popping that balloon was basically saying "what the fuck are yall assholes thinking".	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/26 09:32 PM
2	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. Again what is the point of telling people who are very hungry to stop focusing on food? That is what people are doing with this whole "don't put women on a pedestal" regardation (with a t). THEY CANT. Anymore than you could stop thinking about food if you didn't eat for a few days. You can think about better approaches to getting food. But at some point you're not going to be able to just turn hunger off. It's not something you control. Otherwise there would be no fat people. Or very few of them…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 06:21 PM
1	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. This is how men behave when they are very hungry. Try not eating for 2 days and see how much you put "food on a pedestal". Obviously you can survive much longer without sex and companionship. But the longing mechanism is very similar.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 05:54 PM
1	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. It is also impossible to stop wanting food. Which is kind of the point. You can do more productive things to attain food. Which is what the Red Pill is or at least should be about. But you'll never make yourself stop wanting food. Unless you castrate yourself or some shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 05:45 PM
1	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. And also possibly that he sees women as though they're superior to him. On pedestals, if you will. Such that if not corrected he'll still have issues inspiring attraction in them even after he gets his shit together. They are though. He is observing reality correctly. A woman is the one that decides whether you get to hit it. Chances are if you're hitting on her you decided a long time ago. There are many ways in which guys are superior. Where guys hold an advantage. This ain't one of them. It's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 05:44 PM
2	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. I think humans making relationships about them is a very normal behavior that affects all walks of life not just TRP men. You have to learn how to even want to be a productive member of a relationship. TRP doesn't focus on that because most men can't get into a relationship in the first place. Those are rich people problems for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 03:48 PM
4	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. Someone who is starving will eventually resort to begging and flailing. The problem here is not that you're hungry. The problem is that you have no idea how to get food in the first place. Some fat guy who spends every waking moment playing video games when he's not working. His problem is not that he obsesses about pussy and gets nervous anytime he is around women. His problem is that he is a fucking mess and needs to get his shit together. If he gets in shape and starts socializing. He will ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 03:45 PM
5	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. Yeah and I vehemently disagree with that aspect of it. Men put women on a pedestal because we are humans which are animals. Men have dicks and brains. Both are wired through evolution to seek reproductive success. Telling men not to put women on a pedestal is like telling hungry people to think about something other than food. It's pointless. Even if you make them hate the food. They are still going to seek it out. Because our brains are wired that way. I feel like that would be a FAR MORE accur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 03:20 PM
5	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. So this is what a man with functioning brain cells would do. THEY WOULDNT TALK ABOUT IT AROUND WOMEN. Because you have to be an idiot to bring up trans related issues on a first date anyway. That is the sort of thing you talk about maybe once you're boning already. In fact most guys already understand this. Political beliefs are largely tangential but can really fuck you up if you bring them up. So don't. Leave it alone. Just nod in agreeance if she brings it up. It's mostly noise anyway. Me and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 02:45 PM
4	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. What you seem to be missing is that there is a gigantic disconnect between saying "yeah I don't blame that guy" and actually being disrespectful towards women. You don't have to pretend like you don't understand why a man would get upset about seeing a trans person in his lineup. To be respectful towards women. Being disrespectful TOWARDS SOMEONE is actively being disrespectful towards them. If I come up to a woman and say "hey bitch you got some nice titties". That is very disrespectful. What i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 02:31 PM
8	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. Again this has absolutely nothing to do with how you treat women. A guy getting upset because a bunch of TV directors decided to personally insult him. Has absolutely nothing to do with the price of tea in China. In fact it shows the gigantic disconnect between reality and these silly narratives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 02:16 PM
10	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. Well yeah. He's pissed that they would even put a Trans person in the lineup. That is a massive insult to him as a person. Not even the Trans person's fault. The people who were in charge and did that bullshit should have known better. Do you guys not understand why a man would get upset at a trans person even being in the lineup? You're effective calling him gay. Not only that you're putting it on blast in the most public way possible. Furthermore this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 01:12 PM
21	Redpill guys will do anything to get women except being respectful to women. The problem is most of these dudes were already respectful. It makes practically no difference in sexual selection. It's like telling people to brush their teeth. Yes technically if your breath smells like a dumpster truck that will fuck up your odds of finding a partner. But most people already do that. Telling people who already brush their teeth to brush their teeth doesn't accomplish much. That is where the red pill shines. They propose actual ideas that actually work. They add a lot of unne…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/26 01:05 PM
3	If you’re not acknowledging men having an outgroup bias, you don’t care about men’s issues. We always have to some degree. Why do you think nearly every single society across the planet is shaped around the nuclear family. Because our ancestors understood what the modern elite seem to have forgotten. That family is what makes your life matter. Family is what makes people get up in the morning. Not your hobbies. Not even your friends. Your family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 11:30 PM
10	If you’re not acknowledging men having an outgroup bias, you don’t care about men’s issues. Humans are pair bonding species. If you don't pair bond you feel like shit. You feel worthless. These are innate instincts not learned behaviors. Therefore having all sorts of friends and having a vibrant career. Is not going to make someone not feel like there is a part of them missing. A lot of these lonely guys have friends and have things to do. They have hobbies. But what they don't have is a family. Which is really what people mean when they say "I am lonely". They don't mean lonely in a p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 11:17 PM
–	Men like to forget and remember about importance of looks when it's convenient. The argument with looks to some degree is "you don't control your looks. Some people are just born attractive and all they have to do is not get fat". Dark triad works the same way to some degree. Maybe being a douchy machevilian scumbag does appeal to some women. But it's not like you can make yourself a psycopath. You're born with it as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 10:53 AM
–	Men like to forget and remember about importance of looks when it's convenient. The argument is also partly nurture vs nature. When we talk about dark triad traits. Are we talking about innate stuff like psycopathy. Or learned behaviors. Because one thing you'll see is that guys are sick of being told that it's something that they know it's not. Even if dark triad traits work. You can't exactly develop them. Even if you try to act like a psycho. You will probably fail in the long run because they are genuinely wired differently. They think and behave differently. So you're …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 10:26 AM
1	Sexualization Vs Objectification Nah... Humans also innately pair bond. If he treats you well. He likely genuinely cares about you. In fact he thinks of you as his family. The act of sex further strengthens the pair bond. I wouldn't get too caught up in all this objectify and sexualize mess. It's too reductive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 07:52 PM
0	Sexualization Vs Objectification I think human males naturally both sexualize and objectify human females. It's some kind of primordial innate brain wiring. I think the real question is how you go about it. There are respectful ways to admire and disrespectful ways. For women to think that this is some choice that men make is deeply misguided. We all do it all the time. Often without even realizing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 07:45 PM
-3	Klay Thompson proves the RP theory has alot of truths He can find dozens of women that look better than Megs at any local mall. Or really anywhere where there are women who are not old as fuck. She is so ugly. Yes obviously an incredibly rich guy who happens to be extremely athletic. Can date 10s all day long. Why he would date a 5 is beyond me. But it doesn't really prove anything. I mean was there really anyone contending that NBA players cant get endless women? Of any pill?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 02:06 AM
34	A lot of male self-improvement advice is useless because it still keeps women at the centre. It's simple human nature. We're all just hairless apes at the end of the day. The fact is MEN CANT decouple their desires from women. At least a large chunk of them. It's not voluntary. Just like you can't select and choose who you find attractive. You can't turn off the feeling that "if nobody wants my body it must be useless". That is how your brain is programmed to interpret things from birth. This is why red pill ideas are ultimately often more effective. They don't try to teach people to do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/26 10:24 AM
-2	Its not That Red pill is "Controlling" or even Wrong. They just want it silenced and snuffed out. as well as unselected men I think the whole "beta buxx" thing is a misunderstanding of human nature. AKA it's wrong to even label it that way. I moved to Ukraine and my ability to get women absolutely skyrocketed. Could be because class plays a bigger role than raw $. Could be the women you are around. Lots of different variables. I met many other passport bros. They all had real wives (who actually love them) and children. The one I stayed in touch with they are still together, they have 4 kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/26 01:14 PM
-3	Its not That Red pill is "Controlling" or even Wrong. They just want it silenced and snuffed out. as well as unselected men There’s also conflicting messages like when they tell men to get their money up but then complain about gold diggers. If you use your financial status as a way to attract women, which type of women will you actually attract? All women are partially attracted to social status. The gold diggers are basically prostitutes who will fuck guys they have no actual interest in. So to answer your question "If you use your financial status as a way to attract women, what type of women?". Any type of woman.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/26 01:02 PM
2	It seems hard for men to do some introspection. It's fairly simple logic. If you already have a hard time finding someone with the absolute bare minimum. It wont make it easier to add more layers. On top of that unnecessary layers. Like I'm looking to hire someone. I already can't find someone who has 1 year of experience and knows how to turn a computer on. If I start adding all sorts of other requirements. I may never find anyone. You're the one with the false premise. That this somehow affects the pool of choices. Nobody said you advertise…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 01:17 AM
2	It seems hard for men to do some introspection. That treating women as interchangeable makes them less likely to want to date you. But it doesn't change the facts. We're talking about facts not perceptions. That's not lowering your standards. That is the standard. The very minimum standard. The problem with all these lines of reasoning is that there is no actionable advice here. What is a guy supposed to do? 1) Make a list of needs that will make him single permanently 2) Lower his standards for looks beyond what he can tolerate and date peop…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 12:14 AM
2	It seems hard for men to do some introspection. I mean what does that matter though? It doesn't change the fact. You can't make something non negotiable negotiable on a whim. I can't just make myself like people I don't like. So it's either that or absolutely nothing. It's a numbers game. 1 and 2 is already like 1/10,000 women. You add another layer and your odds just get worse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 11:47 PM
3	It seems hard for men to do some introspection. Like I used to tell people back when I was single. I want two things 1) Attractive 2) Likes me back That is it. Even that is very hard to find. If I start adding additional layers then I'll be single forever. And both of those are completely unnegotiable. I've tried dating women I wasn't really all that attracted to. It was miserable for both of us. And unfortunately dated plenty that were obviously not that into me. was also fucking miserable. So maybe in some perfect world where we all have a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 11:31 PM
2	Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thing I also believe that's innate. Meaning we evolved to look down on men who are incapable of attracting women. There are a lot of innate high value and low value signals. A man who can't get a woman is a low value signal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 12:10 PM
3	Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thing You can both significantly incentivize marriage and having kids. Without repealing the right to vote. Those are not necessarily together. Yeah I get that is probably their fear. But letting people suffer because some asswads fear something that will never happen is not a good idea either. And it will never happen because it would absolutely nuke the economy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 01:46 AM
4	Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thing I prefer open dialogue. I only have like 1 hour to myself these days. If you want to discuss it fine. But don't expect to read some long winded essay. You can use one as a source to explain your own thoughts. I never said depression was ONLY caused by lack of pair bonding. That would be nonsense. It is a very common reason these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 01:32 AM
11	Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thing Yes I get it. We only pair bond for a time. Sometimes long time. Sometimes not so long. Pair bonding exists to keep two biological parents together long enough to raise kids. As long as possible. It doesn't have to be a lifetime. Even 10-15 years was fantastic in the wild. If you don't accomplish that your own brain starts fucking with you. Starts telling you "you are not worthy of anything because you are incapable of reproducing and your genome will be annihilated once you're gone". This happe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 01:25 AM
7	Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thing Being honest about it would be a great start. Acknowledge that many people feel like shit if they don't pair bond. Start making all sorts of programs to help people meet. Encourage with carrots for people to get married and have children together. All perfectly ethical. No need to force women into marriage slavery or back in the kitchen. That would be catastrophic for society anyway. Women produce way too much value in the workplace.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 01:18 AM
23	Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thing You are depressed precisely because you're failing to pair bond. Humans are wired to seek pair bonding. Saying that finding a partner won't cure that depression is like saying eating won't fix starvation. Of course it will. It's why you're hungry in the first place. All this shit was common knowledge for most of human history. Only lately have we decided to pretend otherwise because we don't want to offend the small minority of people that this doesn't apply to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 01:00 AM
-1	Younger women are just more attractive. Ahhh the battle of the studies. Ok how did they arrive at the idea that men actually give a shit about earning power? I mean when me and my boys go to a strip club. It's not because the strippers make a lot of money. They could be dead broke and it wouldn't make a lick of a difference. Nor would it really matter if we wanted to date one of them. But most of us are not that desperate. Anyway. I couldn't open the study. How did they arrive at the idea that men care at all about earning? Sounds lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 11:01 PM
-1	Younger women are just more attractive. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X In this study women were found to be 1000 times more sensitive to salary information about a potential partner vs men. Which is exactly what I have observed as well. Men really don't care that much about how much a woman makes. If she's hot she can work at a Wendy's. She is still hot. Like the other poster said. Speed dating is naturally going to diverge into lookism. Any quick sorting mechanism will. If you have to sort qui…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 11:19 AM
11	Women do not peak in their 20s The peak means your peak attractiveness. You don't get to decide when you are the most attractive. The world as a whole does. The world as a whole has decided that peak attractiveness by some GRAND COINCIDENCE also coincides with peak fertility. I mean who would have thought that our brains would be wired this way. Total coincidence. No really I'm joking. This is evolution 101. Human females are the most physically attractive when they are most fertile. Which is around 20-25 for most females. Yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 02:37 AM
1	Comp heterosexuality is much more of a man thing Well that's even worse. You're being very hyper selective. Out of the 1000s of men on dating apps. You pick out the exact kind that reach out to you. Talk about nit picking. How would I know? Been around a lot of gay and straight men. The gay guys would tell you straight up "I've been this way since as long as I can remember". After a while it's really not that hard to tell which is which. Meaning who is gay and who is straight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 06:01 PM
2	Comp heterosexuality is much more of a man thing It sounds like your social circle gives you a skewed view of reality. Most people are not bisexual. But yes a lot of bisexual people stay in the closet. So if you tend to congregate around a lot of bisexuals. You would observe what you are describing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 05:53 PM
2	Comp heterosexuality is much more of a man thing I guess I sort of did. I didn't outwardly say "I am gay". I just agreed with shit and generally played the part. They sort of assumed I was gay based on what I was saying. It was never announced in any meaningful way. Like for instance the chicks would talk about a guy they find attractive. And I would interject and tell them about someone I found attractive. Doesn't say "I'm gay". But you're at a gay night club talking about a guy you found hot. What else could it possibly mean. But I'm talking…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 05:43 PM
1	Comp heterosexuality is much more of a man thing Like I always say. We have to tell people over and over and over again that fat people are attractive. That its on the inside what matters. You never have to convince anyone to like pretty fit model looking chicks. Because they are already wired to prefer them. And most of those guys never end up liking fat women. Some things are innate. Some things they have to drill in your head. Being straight is not something you have to drill into a persons head. Anymore than you could drill being straight …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 05:26 PM
0	Comp heterosexuality is much more of a man thing It's the fashionable thing. Even I pretended to be gay at one point because I wanted in on some social circles. The social circles I wanted to be in on was TO FUCK THEIR WOMEN lol. There is a lot of gay circles that have tons of women in them. I used to go to a gay bar and hit on the lesbian/straight women there. Also there is this theory that women are somewhat primed to be concubines through evolutionary pressures. Which would explain why a larger % of them are open to same sex relationships. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 05:22 PM
2	Comp heterosexuality is much more of a man thing It's not particularly enforced. Most kids grow up in high school wanting the opposite sex. Even when they are told not to engage in it. They still do. Nobody has to talk them out of gay relationships unless they were already born gay. Yes the majority of people find members of the same sex attractive from time to time. But nowhere near enough to act on it. And still find the opposite sex far more appealing. That is indeed the norm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 05:20 PM
5	Comp heterosexuality is much more of a man thing Human nature is heterosexual by default. All sorts of deviations exist. But they are not the norm. It's pretty simple to comprehend why. We need a female and a male copulating to continue the species. If that wasn't the norm. Our species would have died a very long time ago. No need for social pressure when your brain is already wired that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 04:38 PM
-4	A woman is never "not ready for a relationship" I'm sure it happens from time to time. But for every one of those legit "I'm not ready". There is 100 "I am ready just not with you and will never be ready with you". That's the real message behind what I'm saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 07:41 PM
1	A woman is never "not ready for a relationship" That's probably where the disconnect comes from. Most men will just not hit on women they marginally like. And nobody ever hits on them. So this whole "I'd date you under different circumstances" thing never really happens to us.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 07:40 PM
-4	A woman is never "not ready for a relationship" Unless you actually like the guy.... Then it's not a problem at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 07:17 PM
–	A woman is never "not ready for a relationship" You could have summarized it by saying. "If a woman tells you she is not ready for a relationship. What that really means is she is not INTERESTED in a relationship WITH YOU." This is a well known fact. It's just a way for them to shoot you down gently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 07:15 PM
1	If sex work was truly a job as any other, we would have no problem promoting it for high schools students Sounds like bullshit to be honest. Sure there are some men who completely have no self respect. Or the cuck type. But they are not that common at all. It's like being a very fat woman and hedging your bets on the very few men who actually like fatties.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 11:05 PM
-1	If sex work was truly a job as any other, we would have no problem promoting it for high schools students It's not about the men. It's disgusting for the women. They end up used up. Nobody wants them afterwards. They get treated like utter dogshit the entire time. It's not about easy access to sex for the men. It's the horrific mental anguish the women have to carry later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 10:53 PM
6	If sex work was truly a job as any other, we would have no problem promoting it for high schools students US was not built on the backs of sex workers. The hell are you talking about? It was built on the backs of European settlers. Who built this system and the economy behind it. It is a very old profession. Probably because it was an easy way to get fed back when damn near everyone was starving. But that hardly justifies it. Slavery was also profoundly widespread up until 200 years ago. For a lot of the same scarcity related reasons. I am the kind of men that hired hookers. I sure as fuck wouldn't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 09:54 PM
0	If sex work was truly a job as any other, we would have no problem promoting it for high schools students That is a major problem. But not the only one. Depression and drug use are very common among sex workers. Even women who just do porn. For this very reason. A large % of people in your life just treat you as disposable dirt. That is bound to have an effect on a persons psyche.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 09:28 PM
4	If sex work was truly a job as any other, we would have no problem promoting it for high schools students Its not like "any other". Most jobs don't drain you this way. They don't make society view you as a piece of used up garbage. They don't force you to constantly interact with the criminal underworld and to operate outside of the law. Even most desperate men would pass on dating a hooker. Let alone men these women would actually want to date. How many other jobs have qualities like that? Sex is different. It's a very unique thing that is unlike anything else. We need to stop pretending otherwise.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 09:25 PM
3	Men created the “high maintenance woman” they complain about Nordic Nations also have DREADFUL fertility rates. Which is bad for both parties. I'm not saying that nurture plays no role. It obviously does. But men select differently no matter what the location or situation is. This is due to genes and nature. Even our ape cousins select different between male and female. We need to stop pushing this false narrative that men and women are alike. When it comes to sexual selection we are quite different. On average of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/26 12:02 AM
3	Men created the “high maintenance woman” they complain about Ok ChatGPT what do you actually think? I spent way too much time working with ChatGPT not to recognize the speaking pattern. A whole bunch of word slop that doesn't make any point whatsoever. "Well it's not like everyone. and it doesn't really mean it's nature". If it was 2 times more. Maybe it's nurture. If it was 10 times more.... I suppose maybe there is still a chance it's nurture. If it was 100 times more we would know it's nature. BUT ITS NOT EVEN 100 TIMES. ITS A THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 11:14 PM
6	Men created the “high maintenance woman” they complain about https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X Women were found to be A THOUSAND TIMES more responsive to information about salary. Not 10 times. Not even 100 times. 1000 times. That's nature. That is not nurture. Men just don't give a shit about those things. You're either hot or you're not. Women are far more compartmentalized. And this comes directly from the fact that women physically bear the cost of pregnancy. It's also why human males are stronger and more enduran…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 10:44 PM
0	Men created the “high maintenance woman” they complain about It's just human nature. Males: Select females primarily on physical appearance. Females: Select males on a combination of looks, money and status. The difference stems from the fact that females get pregnant and get stuck with the baby no matter.what. So a woman testing to see if your broke ass can afford a $5 date is just a very simple filtration method. If you can't even do that. You are probably worthless. Unless you're very good looking and then they won't even bother with that test lol. Thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 10:23 PM
1	Why are women so much more concerned with the idea of “doing better” than men are? What ends up happening is that its actually MEN who have dual mating strategy 1) Inseminate a bunch of women. Don't invest into most of them. Maybe have one main girl. 2) Have one main girl. Sire several children with her. If a guy is capable of doing #1. Which most guys are not. He can hold a lot of women hostage. Which prevents them from dating other guys. So again this is just sexual selection at work. It's not like women are "naturally hypergamus". Men would also fuck better looking women if…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/26 04:15 PM
4	Why are women so much more concerned with the idea of “doing better” than men are? The reason is because hypergamy is woefully mis framed. It is framed as "women always want someone better looking or richer than them". When in reality all humans are this way. Women are just more capable of achieving it. So in practice they are "hypergamous". But in reality all humans are this way. Sexual selection in general works with this principle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/26 04:03 PM
–	Why is “MILF” a top porn category if men are only attracted to young women? Have you ever actually seen any of these "Milfs". Vast majority of them are mid to late 20s. They are not 40 year old nasty wenches. Now consider who is the biggest consumer of porn.... Young men. Often underage. Which is quite sickening but it also happens to be true. So yes younger guys often like to bate to mid to late 20s women. No shocker there. The Leonardo DiCaprio curve is likely the most representative of what the average male actually prefers in terms of eye candy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/26 06:03 PM
2	How should women “take accountability”? The market as a whole. I may think I'm the hottest guy alive. But if only 1/1000 women are even remotely interested in me. I'm probably delusional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/26 11:23 AM
0	How should women “take accountability”? Well I mean we do hold them accountable. If they rape or abuse they can go to prison. But cheating and generally treating people like shit is not illegal. Not to mention if you're doing things that constantly put you in harms way then maybe you shouldn't do that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/26 12:29 AM
4	How should women “take accountability”? Sure. Very attractive women. A lot of those actually end up in the same predicament. Because they usually only want to date very attractive guys. But very attractive guys are willing to stick their dick in a much broader range of women. So they are having to compete a lot more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 10:07 PM
4	How should women “take accountability”? Then it's a terrible analogy. Because most men are not cheaters and abusers. Just like most women are not narcissistic runts (with a c). But some certainly are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 10:05 PM
1	How should women “take accountability”? Moral is a very relative statement. Cheating is fun when you can get away with it. But at some point you realize you get caught a lot. So you stop cheating. Did you become more moral? Or did you just stop doing a destructive thing because it bit you in the ass too many times?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 10:00 PM
4	How should women “take accountability”? She should probably stop shopping in that store. They are selling some bunk ass shit!	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:58 PM
10	How should women “take accountability”? Stop trying to get with men way out of their league. That is the overall message.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:55 PM
5	How should women “take accountability”? I never said that. A 7/10 woman is a "pretty girl". But if she only has the hots for 9/10 and above guys. She may find out the hard way why that is not a good idea. She needs to be dating other 7s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:54 PM
1	How should women “take accountability”? The issue is incentive. You take some ugly guy. He treats a couple of women like shit. Then he sits at home and jacks off for a while. Because for an ugly dude just getting with a woman is often a challenge. Next time he is more careful. Some good looking guy who treats women like shit. A) Has fun doing it B) Doesn't really suffer any repercussions. As long as he doesn't get them pregnant. Long as he doesn't get fat or something the stream of women doesn't dry up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:49 PM
2	How should women “take accountability”? I mean if you recognize that the reason you're being treated like shit is because of your mate choices. Obviously adjust the mate choices. And no that doesn't mean "date me instead". It means recognize that your standards don't merit your appearance. This is a very important advice to both men and women. But get framed differently because they show up differently. A woman with very high standards will get used and abused by Chad. A man with very high standards will just be alone all the damn tim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:32 PM
1	How should women “take accountability”? An ugly man is only going to be able to bang ugly women. At best he's getting a small handful of women interested in him per year. So even if he is cheating on all of them. His blast radius is rather small. A Chad will only DATE pretty women. He won't show his face with something that is way below him. But when he gets drunk at a night club. The beer goggles come on. And he is taking home the best option available which isn't always high quality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:20 PM
1	How should women “take accountability”? To herself. To society. Basically own the fact that the decision making process that leads you to these men is part of the algo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:16 PM
4	How should women “take accountability”? Not at all. But those are not the guys women complain about either. A good looking guy can GET AWAY with it much easier. Doesn't mean all good looking guys are this way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:15 PM
6	How should women “take accountability”? It's like... If I tell you to not walk around the hood with $100 bills strapped to you with a sign that says "rob me". I'm not saying that robbing people is fine. I'm saying that this behavior is going to lead you to getting robbed. Both are bad behaviors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 08:56 PM
1	How should women “take accountability”? Just because there are no studies on this. Doesn't mean it's not true. It's simple to comprehend. A good looking guy that can get with a lot of women. Is A) More likely to get away with it forever. Since our society is not so interlocked anymore. You can jump from woman to woman without them knowing about how you treated the last one. B) More likely to affect more women. If you have some average looking guy who treats women like shit. Chances are unless he's dumpster diving he ain't getting with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 08:55 PM
2	How should women “take accountability”? No I don't think so. There are certainly some good looking guys there. But that is not what typically lands you in prison. Prisons are filled with psycopaths, sociopaths, low IQ people, high aggression wired people and just general fuckwads.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 08:54 PM
-3	How should women “take accountability”? No lol. I doubt they do too many "what proportions of each look class are cheaters and abusers". Studies I meant to say studies	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 08:40 PM
0	How should women “take accountability”? They can. But statistically a Chad is far more likely to be a cheater and abuser. Because a Chad can get away with it perpetually. The only way an average looking guy can behave like Chad is if he dumpster dives. Which I have seen before. I'm sure they get talked about in a lot of the same ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 08:30 PM
8	How should women “take accountability”? What? I was just describing what they are talking about. The fact that you're not like that at all has nothing to do with it. I never said every woman does this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 08:24 PM
6	How should women “take accountability”? Actually no. Most men can have sex. Most men are NOT CHAD. The Chad concept is just statistical outlier men who can get with a lot of women. It couldn't be a statistical outlier if it encompassed 60+% of men or whatever is the proportion of people who just "have sex".	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 07:28 PM
5	How should women “take accountability”? Good looking man in this frame. Someone who has enough physical appearance where they can get women with very little effort. It can mean a lot of things which is why you get so many definitions. Within this context we're talking about a dude who is hot. He probably has some people skills and some charisma. But that is easy to develop when you are very good looking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 07:27 PM
32	How should women “take accountability”? Here is an example. Some pretty chick only dates Chads. Every Chad she dates ends up treating her like dog shit. Cheats on her with other women. Generally disrespects her and treats her like disposable. Why does Chad do this? Well because he can. Women are disposable for him. He can find a new one tonight at a nightclub or anywhere women hang out and are open to being approached. Sooner or later a woman like this will utter the words "all men are trash". Taking accountability in that frame refer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 07:12 PM
23	Men, why are you surprised that attractive women are attracted to attractive men af/bb? And should women feel the same? I think the whole af/bb thing is completely misframed. Women all want someone to settle down with them. They always shoot for the moon at first. Not realizing that a lot of men will just use them for sex. Then they gradually work down to their real level. That is a normal transition that happens to a lot of people whether male or female. It just looks different for the sexes because males are very open to casual sex with random women even if they are below them in looks while women are typically…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 12:59 AM
0	Vague language is necessary for women’s world view Ohhh ok I see what you're saying. Having friends != Having a girlfriend/wife Two totally different things in the mind of a man. Or really any human. We are a pair bonding species. At a certain age a large % of us seek to pair bond with the member of the opposite sex. So that we can have children and raise those children together. You can have endless friends and a rich social life. If you don't have a wife and kids. You're going to feel like something is very empty. Just innately how our brains …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/26 05:26 PM
-2	Vague language is necessary for women’s world view I did. They are being misled. They are told "wait for it to come to you" "don't leave the house with the sole purpose of finding vagege" "don't go to the gym just to get better looking for women" etc etc etc. A bunch of terrible advice that they unfortunately take in. Which translates to. Don't better yourself. Don't socialize. Don't take initiative. Shocker people who do those things don't find women and end up scorned. See you think they are not socializing because despite it being fun for the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/26 05:16 PM
-1	Vague language is necessary for women’s world view I think there is a problem of framing. Men are told "Don't leave the house just to chase vagege". Which translates into their speak "Don't leave the house". Which they never do. A better framing would be "It's ok to leave the house chasing vagege. In fact you will never get vagege if you never leave the house. Chad is not just good looking he is probably very gregarious. You can't make yourself Chad in looks but at least you can emulate his social competence which does matter to an extent". See …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/26 05:08 PM
-5	Vague language is necessary for women’s world view Exactly. Most women don't even comprehend that men would just be happy to sit at home and do nothing if they weren't out there chasing vagege. They actually enjoy socializing. Many of us do not unless we're drunk or trying to get some poon tang (usually need both).	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/26 05:03 PM
1	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society Hunger is wired too, but overeating doesn’t cure depression. Biology creates impulses, not purpose. It explains why every country with an abundance of food is struggling with obesity. We are wired to overeat. Just like low fertility explains why so many struggle with depression/anxiety/drug addiction etc. You’re still mixing correlation with causation. Nordic countries report more depression because people can actually admit they’re struggling. That doesn’t mean “no kids causes depression.” Your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 11:42 AM
1	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society Again ask a large % of depressed people why they feel depressed. They will say they feel a lack of purpose. The average person derives purpose from their family. Which is usually a wife/husband and children. Not the most complex topic. Reddit is not a particularly good way to gauge this. If there was more anti-vax subreddits than polio subreddits does that mean we should stop vaccinating?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 11:37 AM
1	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society I mean 50% of humans didn't survive past the age of 5 just 200-300 years ago. Would you say that it's unfair to expect most people to want to live past 5? This argument makes no sense. Nature is brutal. Just because a large % didn't reproduce. Doesn't mean a large % didn't want to reproduce.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 01:28 AM
1	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society I said males only look at looks. I said women look at looks, money and status. These are average observations. There are plenty of people who don't fit that mold. But on average that tends to be the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 01:27 AM
1	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society Yes and the people who don't reproduce are often utterly miserable. Which is the whole point of pointing this out to people. Yes some people are asexual or just wired differently. But those are outliers. The average person needs their own family to feel whole and like their life actually matters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 01:22 AM
0	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society Yes for both males and females having kids and pair bonding is of utmost importance. Difference is females are only judged on looks. Your degree and your ability to bring $ does not make you more attractive. You are at your most attractive in your early 20s and having a career does nothing for your attractiveness. Meanwhile a male is judged on looks, money and status. Most guys are not good looking enough to just use looks. Therefore it makes sense to focus on your career. You are improving your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 01:21 AM
1	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society NO WAY!. Shit that totally discombobulates everything. I must rewire my entire existence. No seriously.. Yes obviously women can be both. It's a matter of where you put your priorities. Women should focus on family first. Career later. As family is far more important. Your best most fertile and most attractive years are in your early 20s. Even if you don't like hearing that. It is factually true. You'll have an entire life time to perfect your TPS report abilities. You have a smaller window to f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 12:12 AM
1	The mistake people make when comparing male and female sexuality. I looked at some pictures from Quora. A bunch of them were fat or old. Of course it's disgusting. Nobody wants to see that shit. Obviously not ANY photo of a naked woman turns a man on. She has to be at least moderately attractive. Seeing a fat disgusting woman naked is just that disgusting. Yes one photo or even a glance is more than enough to get an average male interested. Why do you think strip clubs are so much more popular among the male demographics. Go to Miami. There is 50 strip clubs t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/26 09:53 PM
-1	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society If humans were not wired to pair bond and procreate. Our species would have went extinct a long time ago. Our babies are the most fragile babies in the mammal kingdom. What's the depression rates like in Norway and Denmark? https://www.afterbabel.com/p/international-mental-illness-part-two Shocker.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/26 09:18 PM
-6	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society Yeah but we're talking about how our brains are wired. You can run from your nature. But you can't hide from it. Look at the correlation between people not having kids. Failing to pair bond (aka get married or just couple up). ANd the gigantic explosion in anxiety and depression. You ask the average depressed person what they think is wrong and by far the most common answer is "I feel a sense of purposeless". Gee I wonder why. The human brain has been designed with the thought in mind "by 25-30 …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/26 03:14 AM
-12	The primary biological drive that has driven male ambition for all of human history is WOMEN (to attract a mate/secure a wife/and provide for a family), and the fact that its out of reach for men today is why they are opting out of society It is the greatest achievement. Just like being a father is the greatest achievement. Except the father is the bread winner he needs to be out there hunting and protecting. A woman needs to nurture. Nobody lays on the death bed wishing they did some more TPS reports.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/26 02:40 AM
5	Red Pill" isn't a manifesto, it's just a maintenance manual It's far more about getting your foot in the door than maintaining a long term relationship. Most guys who are in the RP can't even get to the relationship part. In fact a lot of RP stuff actually works against your long term relationship viability. You actually do want some softer traits to make a long term rel work. You want to listen. You want to be more down to earth. You want to be interesting and you have no choice but to be yourself. It's impossible to put up a facade for a long time. RP …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/26 03:23 PM
–	Why is acknowledging misogyny on here so hard? The reason is pretty simple. We see this with every social justice movement. In the beginning there was real misogyny. Like actual systemic barriers put in place to prevent women from getting an education from becoming certain professions. These were real issues. They were really not allowed to vote. So when feminists fought for rights. They were actually fighting for something. And a lot of people made a lot of money advocating for these things. An entire industry was built around it. The troub…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/26 12:00 AM
1	Why should "consent to sex isn't consent to Parenthood" only apply to women? I'm an anti-feminist like you. But I think you're more radical than me. I've had these arguments on reddit before. Where I was on the side of "let the men opt out". Making the same arguments you are suggesting. Just give them a time frame. But all of that really falls apart rather quickly. Men often don't know. They might not know till the baby is due. Or they can lie and say they didn't know. What do you create some sort of system where they get subpoenad by a court and have to give an official…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/26 09:06 PM
1	Red pillers, why do you have such weird ideas about what consitutes “nice”? There's no unconditional anything on the planet. You love your children "unconditionally" because you are innately wired to be obsessive about their safety. A very good looking woman has a ton of "unearned desire". She doesn't need to do anything to have dudes wanting her. Just existing and not becoming fat. Maybe very basic self hygiene. You guys are taking that word way too seriously and interpreting it way too narrowing ly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/26 01:05 PM
6	Red pillers, why do you have such weird ideas about what consitutes “nice”? Well.... Yes obviously. Unconditional means..... you didn't have to do anything to earn it. For example a really hot chick can make me horny. Even if she has no personal skills. Even if she can't make me laugh. I mean I don't even have to speak her language. That's what "unconditional" means. Just innate raw attraction. At least in that frame.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 10:45 PM
13	Red pillers, why do you have such weird ideas about what consitutes “nice”? They are obsessed with the idea that women would want them no matter how they behave. Like the good looking guys in question. They don't necessarily want to behave like fuckwads. They just want unconditional desire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 10:37 PM
0	Why should "consent to sex isn't consent to Parenthood" only apply to women? The way our society is structured you couldn't do it. You can't both have child support and an easy way out of it. In reality since you want my opinion. Society should be structured to massively and I mean MASSIVELY incentivize having children in wedlock in good safe homes with 2 loving parents. And by doing so disincentivizing this "fuck random dudes then force some guy to pay child support" trashy shit. Not having a husband to raise your kids should be such a liability that women practically n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 08:48 PM
7	Why should "consent to sex isn't consent to Parenthood" only apply to women? What do you think happens when a woman decides she's going to not name father and gives the kid up for adoption or leaves it at a fire station? Whose paying child support in those instances? I imagine nobody. Who would they force to pay? The dude at the fire station? What if the dude doesn't know? That would create all sorts of perverse incentives. If a woman is cheating on a dude and knows he has 10 weeks or whatever to opt out. She would wait till week 11 to make sure he didn't opt out. Guys w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 08:18 PM
5	Why should "consent to sex isn't consent to Parenthood" only apply to women? This topic comes up all the time on reddit. When it comes to pragmatism. If we allowed men to "opt out" of being a parent. Then pretty much no male would ever pay child support. Might as well do away with child support al together. So as long as you believe child support should be a thing you can't hold this view. It really boils down to acknowledging that human sexes are different. They have different functions and respond to sex differently. They give a woman more time to choose because they g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 08:04 PM
1	Red pillers, why do you have such weird ideas about what consitutes “nice”? For sure there's variability in everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 07:54 PM
10	Red pillers, why do you have such weird ideas about what consitutes “nice”? I don't think so. A true "raging asshole" is a major liability. He'll end up in prison in the modern world. In the pre-historic world someone is going to stab his sorry ass. You're exaggerating a bit. Maybe high school girls prefer that. They obviously want a guy who is CAPABLE of being dominant. But not in that hyper aggressive ghetto hood way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 07:30 PM
15	Red pillers, why do you have such weird ideas about what consitutes “nice”? That only works if they like you to begin with. Or at least are somewhat attracted to some of your other qualities. Try negging as some dude she has no interest in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 07:21 PM
23	Red pillers, why do you have such weird ideas about what consitutes “nice”? It really boils down to a simple thing. Guys who innately get a lot of women. Whether that's through good looks, or charisma or whatever. They don't need to be nice to women. They often treat them like shit. Because they don't have to pander to them. Women come to them. The same way men come to attractive women on a platter. So guys see that and mistakenly assume that this arrogance and shitty behavior IS WHAT MAKES THEM ATTRACTIVE. When in reality it's usually other aspects that actually make t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/26 07:17 PM
0	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? If she's with a real man she wont have to pay. Especially if she's flipping burgers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 09:51 PM
31	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Depends on what the advice is. Some people have exceptional introspection and their advice is useful in any frame. Some people are completely out of touch like the guys you are describing. Their advice would only work in their world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:35 PM
3	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? I don't mean to offend you. But you sound like a woman. Attraction is practically the whole game if you're a man. How many men in their mid 20s and 30s are still working at McDonalds? Those guys I assure you are fawning over their coworkers regardless of age (over 18 I would hope). I got married in Ukraine. Passport bro is incredibly effective. People hating on that shit are mostly just jealous women who can't do the same thing because men don't select on status/money. What you're missing is tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:24 PM
3	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? Abundance mindset is only possible when you have actual abundance. Most men never have abundance. For what it's worth I always recommend going to 3rd world countries if you want actual abundance and actual abundance mindset. Deluding yourself into thinking you're more desirable than every experience tells you is not possible for most people. You don't choose your standards. You don't get to decide who you find attractive. You can't just look at some nasty homeless man and be like "ok today I am …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:52 PM
2	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? What you can learn quite readily is that if you find a broke woman hot, there is likely an equally or more attractive woman with a similar personality who would also be into you. lol not in my experience. Most men go through very long droughts. If you got a hot woman into you. You hold on as tight as you can. The odds of 2 hot women being into you at once are very slim. Most people date within their socieconomic class because that is who they tend to interact with the most. That and women do sel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:43 PM
5	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? Not in my experience. Most men I knew would just jump at the first pretty girl they could get. How much she earned was not part of the decision process at all. She could be a surgeon or a burger flipper. If she's hot she's hot. Now the guys that could get a lot of girls. They also didn't seem to care. They just picked up the prettiest easiest girls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:33 PM
–	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back It adds up when you consider what qualities the human female is actually looking for. Looks, Money and Status. Which basically translates into 1) Quality of genetics 2) Ability and willingness to take care of her and the children. If the man is showing ability in both areas or very good in one of those. He can just sit there like a stone. Just like a real pretty chick doesn't need to say a whole lot to impress a lot of men. The thing about social ability is that it's very hard to have money and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:21 PM
-4	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? Human nature. Males don't select on money and status. In most cases anyway. There is always exceptions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:54 PM
2	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men This aspect of biology has been completely subverted by abortion, the pill, child support and taxes. It's now men who bear the risk from sex. Yes but our brains don't evolve that quickly. Our instincts are still in the forest. No it's mother nature. The quicker you realize that the more everything makes sense. You think women didn't need men back in the jungle? Males are stronger, faster and more endurant for a reason. Really as soon as you realize how over rated nurture is. Human behavior becom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 12:11 AM
0	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men Material abundance is critically important here. If someone is starving they are not going to waste time taking care of your kid for you or helping you feed your kid. They are going to be busy feeding themselves and their children. You're touching on exactly why human children need 2 dedicated parents. There's a reason human parents become so obsessive about their children survival. Our species needed that to survive. If it was normal to just throw the baby to some communal pile and fuck off. Li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/26 02:11 AM
0	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men Why do you think we started farming? Because it was a lot more efficient than just picking shit and hunting game. What came before was even more miserable and poor. Why do you think humans evolved to eat like fucking pigs? Because starvation and malnutrition was the norm for our ancestors. Food abundance is a very new and very recent thing for our species. Which is why obesity is so rampant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/26 01:53 AM
0	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men "Easier in prehistoric times". That is complete absurd nonsense that I already addressed in another comment. It was much much much harder. The average poor person in America today lives significantly better than emperors and kings did 200 years ago. And they had it made relative to everyone else. They would kill to have our abundance. And despite our abundance being a single mother is still tough as shit. It was wayyyyyyyy harder for our ancestors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/26 01:43 AM
2	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men Utter nonsense. 50% of people didn't make it to their 5th birthday. Starvation and malnutrition was so common it was pretty much the norm for peasants. That is why the average height was so much shorter. There was practically no medicine to speak of. All sorts of diseases used to absolutely ravage our ancestors. Not to mention practically no entertainment, very little clothing, very shoddy housing, no plumbing, no electricity. It was utter fucking misery. Predation by other animals and other tri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/26 01:41 AM
-4	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men We're tribal now. Yeah the tribe helps. But the primary care givers are the biological mother and father. Don't forget we all lived in utter destitute. If you don't have 2 reliable providers for your children. They don't have shit to give you either. Yes the tribe helped a little. Just like they do now. We still have daycare and pre-k and public schools and what not. All that still exists. They had less informal versions of the same thing. Being a single mother was pretty much guaranteed poverty…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 11:06 PM
8	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men We're talking about human nature. How our species evolved. Yes the pregnancy risk is low. But if you constantly engage in premarital sex outside of a relationship. You're almost certainly going to end up raising a child by yourself. Unless you can quickly secure a cuck. That was an extremely risky move. Being a single mother is hard now. It was horrifically difficult in the prehistoric times. So our human females evolved to be a lot pickier. Because the one's that weren't weeded themselves out o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 10:51 PM
69	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men It's simple mother nature. Males don't get pregnant. Having sex with a poorly vetted partner carries with it far less consequence. We can just use our eyes to determine if mr pee pee is interested. This is just how the planet spins. Arguing against that is akin to arguing about things getting wet after it rains.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 09:14 PM
–	"The bar is in hell"... yeah for attractive men I'm sure a lot of people also show up high and drunk to job interviews. But that doesn't help the 1000s of sober applicants who can't find a job either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/26 05:11 PM
–	"The bar is in hell"... yeah for attractive men "shower before a date" "maintain proper hygiene" are completely useless. It's like telling a person not to smoke crack and drink a bottle of vodka before a job interview. Technically true but isn't going to help you. "ask questions back" and "learn to communicate" are actually useful pieces of advice. But they are likely framed in such an infantile manner that the advice ends up being useless as well. The truth is they can't be honest. Government speak is no longer tied to reality in those place…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/26 03:52 PM
1	Do you think attraction is a choice? Women compromise on their attraction if you have enough status and money. True. I used to believe that was true. It was a major detriment to my life for 15 years. Thankfully I snapped out of it. It does not make sense for human males and human females to select in an identical manner. If females selected exactly like males. The vast majority of children would be raised by single mothers. That would have made our species extinct. It is incredibly difficult to raise children with one parent. That …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/26 05:44 PM
1	Do you think attraction is a choice? Psychological conditioning is what it is. It's just biology. How human brains are wired. Those "bombshells" resort to dating average dudes because they don't have access to equally hot men, otherwise they'd be pairing off with those male bombshells. Nonsense. There is a ton of hot dudes in cities like Kyiv. Some of them do just that. Have you ever been to Kyiv? There is a ton of good looking people period. Whether men or women. Women select on Physical Appearance, Status and Money. If you have s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/26 05:36 PM
1	Do you think attraction is a choice? This is a stupid view. Humans are pair bonding species. Females are not attracted to males the same way males are attracted to females. We males only value physical appearance. Females have to also weigh in status and money along with physical appearance. Due to this thing called pregnancy that only females experience. Once you pair bond you find your partner attractive. This is why guys can be married to fat ass whales and still find them physically attractive. It's called "wife goggles" and it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/01/26 05:27 PM
1	As a passport bro in training America women are right about this You can both love America and think that the culture is generally superior to others. But at the same time be disillusioned with the dating market and want to go find a better one. Those are not mutually exclusive. Progressives hate America because we have economic freedoms and because we managed to get way ahead of everyone technologically. And we weren't always polite about it. Not because women here are a bitch to date. Progressives want to turn US into USSR 2.0. I assure you guys going to go…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 12:26 AM
3	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps No that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the most successful people typically don't have to develop any skills. Beyond basic social skills and basic positioning (just go partying dude). That is it. Some 9/10 guy who is naturally gregarious. He can just be himself and show up some places. He will have options. Without having to think about what he is doing or why its working. His advice to you will be "just be confident bro, look at all these hotties just hit on them its so easy". Do you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 12:09 AM
3	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps Social skills is a skill. I agree that it is a very important skill. But most people don't understand why. Humans are tribal animals. Your social status is important to a woman. Back in the days if a guy had poor social standing that would make it very hard to raise kids with him. Even if you like everything else about him. Poor social skills = poor social standings In the human ape mind. If you suck at social skills that is a major eww factor for a female. See most guys don't have to think abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 12:03 AM
3	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps Would you trust poker advice from someone who never won at the table? People don't win at poker from innate traits. If humans had a poker instinct that was wired into us from genetics. Then yes that may be the case. But poker is something you have some aptitude for and it's also a learned skill. Sexual selection is a lot heavier innately. Like yes someone with a high IQ and good reading skills will be better at poker. But it's still a skill they had to develop. People can be good at dating with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 11:53 PM
2	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps I disagree. They don't actually know why it works. They just know that it works. A guy who is like 8/10 or 9/10 who can get women by just talking to them. Isn't going to sit there and try to figure out if its looks, money or status. If its this or that. They don't need to know any of that shit. They will also give the worst fucking advice cause they don't actually know what they are doing that works. They are just "being themselves" and it all comes to them. Shit they hardly know what the fuss i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 11:40 PM
8	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps I can tell you exactly why I don't play in the NBA. I am not tall enough. I am not athletic enough. I can't shoot well enough. I can't guard well enough. I can write a whole a book about it and dig into every single nuance. Is that going to make me an NBA player? Understanding why you fail at something doesn't magically improve you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 08:12 PM
1	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps You've provided no evidence for that. Common sense. I never said they were a hivemind either. I said that women care a lot more about the opinion of the tribe. Which is why their behavior is often more hiveminded.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 07:53 PM
2	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps Yes it does. They care to find out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 05:28 PM
3	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps Uhhhh. That doesn't disagree with what I am saying. They care "more". I didn't say that men didn't care at all. You think a woman wants to be seen with some obese homeless guy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 05:27 PM
8	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps It's much simpler then that. Women care more about what the tribe thinks. Because they needed the tribe more than the men did. If you have a child. It is very hard to survive without a tribe (or a partner for that matter). So human females evolved to value the opinion of the tribe slightly more. That is all and that is it. You still have plenty of interpersonal variability. You have some women who could give a shit what the tribe thinks. But on average we observe women to be slightly more "hivem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 03:26 PM
12	Guys simply need to stop listening to online discourse that is largely driven by women and simps I mean, this is the entire basis of red pill. Somehow the least experienced, least successful men know the most about dating? It's nonsense. Guys who succeed innately have no reason to understand how it works. If every time you go to a bar a bunch of cuties want your number. The fuck do you care if its money, status, looks or pinky winky dinky buttons. It works is all you know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 03:23 PM
0	Why is slut shaming wrong? Because you're not thinking about what humans are. We are just animals with animal instincts. Our species did not evolve with abortion and birth control. Our instincts have not caught up to our environment. Soon you realize that human behavior becomes a lot more understandable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 10:48 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? And what are you superior?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 10:47 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? No I want them to act in a way that is most beneficial to them based on information on what is natural. That's very different from "acting natural".	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 10:36 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? Uhhhhhhh yes I can. Humans are violent creatures. It is natural for us to be vindictive and murder each other. It is also bad for organized society when humans murder each other. Which is why we have laws, police, courts, jails and prisons. Because if we didn't it would be chaos. This works the same way. Something can be both bad and natural. Because we didn't evolve in large cities with millions of people around us. We were just apes fighting the wilderness for most of human history. Yes women …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:12 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? Reddit is horrifically brainwashed. That's all I can say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:02 PM
0	Why is slut shaming wrong? They can but they get pregnant. A man can get 100 women pregnant in a single year. A woman is not going to have 100 babies in a single year.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:59 AM
0	Why is slut shaming wrong? Rape and murder are also natural. We do need to enforce those laws. It's called setting up the proper incentive structures. If we legalized rape then society would be fucked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:58 AM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Sounds like what i keep telling people. Morals are tied to utility. When medicine was scarce or down right non existent. You wanted as many people as possible to have sex in wedlock. To prevent single mothers. To prevent STDs. So yeah I can see why in that world they would slut shame everyone. But another thing we have to remember is that humans did not evolve with DNA tests. If you as a guy make it a point to pair up with promiscuous women. Chances are you're going to be raising someone else's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:14 AM
7	Why is slut shaming wrong? So don't marry an insecure controlling man. If you have so many to pick from. Why would you pick one that makes you miserable?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:52 AM
3	Why is slut shaming wrong? wank wank. Dick has value. Companionship has value. Children have value. Family has value. Social validation has value. Psychiatric health has value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:45 AM
-8	Why is slut shaming wrong? I don't actually slut shame lol. Ain't nobody got time for dat. I'm explaining why it happens and why it has always happened. It's just good advice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:42 AM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? No because as the poster said. Most men can't sleep around with women. Most men want to but can't. If a man is sleeping around with a lot of women. Chances are a lot of women already like him. It's like if a really hot chick sleeps around. Never gets pregnant. Then moves to a town, finds Jesus and starts behaving. The new men she meets are not going to give a shit or even know her past. The same works for good looking guys. Difference being of course. Pregnancy. That is what it boils down to. A …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:22 AM
-10	Why is slut shaming wrong? Not necessarily. If a woman has a child early on to a man who has no intention of helping her. She's fucked for life. There's a reason no father in his right mind allows his girl to go out looking like a prostitute. They understand how men think. Nobody will respect her looking like that. And she won't find any man worth keeping like that either. Yes former hoes get married all the time. I agree. But a lot of them get burned in the process. It's like saying "I drove drunk many times and I didn't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:00 AM
-16	Why is slut shaming wrong? Males have a dual mating strategy. 1) fuck fuck fuck peace out. 2) Invest in one. Sire several children with her. Raise them together in a pair bond. What happens is. When a woman behaves like a slut. Most men in her life see her as a #1 option only. To be a cum receptacle and that is it. If she is ok with that, then no problem. If that's all she wants, that is very easy to get for most women. BUT THE PROBLEM IS. A lot of women are led stray. They want #2 but behave in ways that will only attrac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:44 AM
-32	Why is slut shaming wrong? Humans have been shaming each other to improve behavior since we were apes. The difference between slut shamers and vegans is that slut shaming has positive benefits and veganism has none. It's an issue of utility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:42 AM
2	How do you think this "Red Pill recruiting" happens? Because that is not what they actually say. It's like asking you "well then why do you tell men that only billionaires are capable of procreating". When you've never said anything of the sort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/25 03:50 PM
1	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. You were talking about promiscuous man this and promiscuous man that. But it doesn't matter. Because he can still get what all the other guys want. That was the point I was trying to make.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 04:43 PM
4	How do you think this "Red Pill recruiting" happens? Males being more prone to violence is a statement of fact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 04:42 PM
0	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. None of that matters. Attraction is not a choice. Acting in it may be. A high value man is just a guy who can illicit involuntary attraction in a lot of women. Whether he has every std known to mankind or none is largely irrelevant. Simply because that is a personal choice and he could have chosen to be cleaner. But you don't choose to be born with attractive genes. Bonnie Blue is a gigantic outlier. One of the biggest in the history of mankind. Even most prostitutes don't fuck 1000 guys at once…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 04:02 PM
6	How do you think this "Red Pill recruiting" happens? Depends how we define misogyny. A lot of obvious statements about the nature of males and females. The sexual dimorphism in our species. Is often misconstrued as misogyny.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 04:00 PM
5	How do you think this "Red Pill recruiting" happens? The point is one message resonates and one doesn't. Who is more accurate is debatable. Maybe misogyny is just more congruent with the real world who knows. I was explaining what they were really doing and why Steve would rather listen to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 02:45 PM
15	How do you think this "Red Pill recruiting" happens? Or better yet they RESONATE WITH STEVE. Meaning they say things the way he actually has experienced them. Instead of a bunch of useless rhetoric that doesn't agree with anything he has observed. Shit like "personality is what matters". That doesn't resonate at all. Some red pill Tate kind goes on the podcast and says "She likes athletic assholes you idiot". And he goes "yep that is exactly what I have observed".	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 02:22 PM
-1	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? I'm talking about the nature of humans. We are clearly very committed to reproduction. Otherwise this species would have died out a very long time ago. It is precisely what they SHOULD do. It's what almost everyone should do. Just because it's hard doesn't mean it was a bad idea. Going to the gym is hard. Learning how to socialize is hard. Learning new skills is hard. Making new friends is hard. Something being easy doesn't mean it's the right choice. It very often isn't. Your instincts are buil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 03:37 AM
0	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. That's your definition. But that is not what we mean. Some 3/10 janitor who can hold himself in his pants and build a meaningful relationship. Is still sitting at home by himself. While that 9/10 who has ever std known to mankind is going out clubbing and taking random hotties home. It's not a fair game. Never was. That's just life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 03:29 AM
-5	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. He's sort of right but he's framing it all kinds of wrong. I like the four tooth guy in Afghanistan. Why you hating on Ahmed? Anyway he's right that males have an innate preference for virgins. But not really virgins. Just women who are not openly promiscuous. For a simple reason. We evolved in a place where there was no DNA tests or anything of that nature. If the child is not a stone cold copy of you, you have no idea if you're not the father. If you're fucking and pairing up with a promiscuou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 03:18 AM
0	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. I keep repeating myself. If he wasn't high value male he wouldn't be getting laid left and right. It's not like that for men. We don't just go to a night club and have endless hotties hitting on us. We have to do the hitting. If you do have hotties hitting on you... you're a high value male. That is it. That is what high value male means. That you have interest from a wide range of women. Whether you're promiscuous or not is irrelevant. We don't wear our lay count on our forehead. It's very easy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 03:10 AM
-6	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? ok would you allow something to grow inside your body for 9 months? for a large sum of money? no? exactly. "you can hire nannies" as the solution here really just proves that you haven't actually considered all of the potential reasons women choose not to have kids. Of course I would. If I was a female that "something" is your fucking child. Billions of women do it for free. Let along for a billion dollars. I actually have considered the reasons. They are massively led astray by society. we have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 02:49 AM
-2	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. The high value dude? Usually whatever he wants. They probably don't want "Christian girls". They want attractive girls. Them being a virgin would be a big plus. But it's not required. Only thing required is that they are physically appealing. And those are precisely the kind of guys that can actually get those girls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 02:45 AM
-8	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. The thing is. Only a few men can actually get a lot of women. So when a man CAN DO it. That means he has other features that women respond to. Whether it's good looks, highly athletic, dominant, high status, lots of money, charisma, talented. whatever. A man who can do it has SOMETHING going for him. Meanwhile a woman... just opens her legs. Any woman can do that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 02:33 AM
-16	LVM saying they prefer non-virgins but yet claiming to be “secure” is counterintuitive. Humans don’t pair bond like birds do though. Humans do pair bond though. That is what we call love. That is the basis for all boyfriend and girlfriend relationships. A promiscuous man is a man many women want. A promiscuous woman is a woman who doesn't know how to keep her legs closed. Any woman can get a ton of dick thrown at her unless she is utterly hideous. And hell even then they can usually get some.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 02:07 AM
-1	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Well I rest my case then :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 01:21 AM
-7	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? You guys are severely brainwashed. For a billion dollars you can hire endless nannies. You're not thinking rationally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 01:18 AM
-1	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? What % of the planet centers their life, their culture and their infrastructure around bowling? Would our species stop existing if we stopped bowling? Do other species obsess about bowling? We're talking about nature here. How humans evolved. Our innate instincts and tendencies. Reproduction is innate. Bowling is just a form of entertainment. You can replace bowling with any number of other entertainment options. Reproduction is irreplaceable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 01:11 AM
-3	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? The argument wasn't that it makes your life "stable". The argument was that human brains are wired to seek pair bonding and procreation. It may very well make your life a lot more hecktic. But what it does is give people a reason to get out of the morning. A reason to exist. Ask just about any depressed or anxious person what is at the core of their malfunctions. A high % will say "I don't feel a purpose". If you don't believe me try it yourself. It's not a very complicated 2 + 2. Historically a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 12:59 AM
-2	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? The two concepts don't negate each other. That's like saying "If you want to have a more stable life stop using cocaine and heroin". And the answer is "well I know people who don't use cocaine and heroin who still have unstable lives". Technically true but missing the point lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 12:18 AM
-12	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? Well it's like some people say "I don't really want a lot of $". Is that actually true? Would they really be like "no thanks I don't want that billion dollars, you can have it". You certainly hear people say it a lot. But it's only half true. If humans weren't wired to want to have kids. At least a decent % of us. We would have went extinct a very long time ago. Human children are some of the most fragile on the entire planet. Wilderbeast children are running within a day of birth. Ours don't ev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 11:35 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. That's a fair point. Allow me to elaborate. Our children are being taught idiotic bullshit about the sexual marketplace. Up is down and down is up. Women are not the nurturers. Men are not the providers and the protectors. Humans are not a pair bonding species. Both men and women are equally promiscuous. On and on. Just endless bullshit. This is a big problem. And it all stems from our inability to acknowledge nature. We can't say "yes some people are gay but its not normal". Because although th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 09:04 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. No it's actually very simple. We must encourage people to get married. We must encourage people to pair up. We must encourage people to seek procreation and marriage as the #1 goal in their life. We must do so through incentives not punishments. How can you do that if you normalize LGBT relationships? You at the very least have to say "they are a bit abnormal but just let them do whatever the fuck they want, it doesn't concern us". Because the modern woke approach is to say "no humans are not a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 07:03 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. You said "beat the shit out of us". That is very different from occasional controlled whoopings. SO maybe just semantics were off there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:54 PM
2	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. Well we have prisons and technically it's just as easy to send you there. So basically a nothing burger. Not exactly a useful slippery slope. It's much easier to get rid of you. Allowing someone to exist and incentivizing good behavior is not the same thing. Humans are already pair bonding creatures. You don't have to work very hard at it. We try not to have high school kids pair up and have sex with each other. That's been working really well. You don't have to encourage people all that hard to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:53 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. Males and females have different sexuality. A male has to be fairly attractive or have some other traits going for him. To get unfettered access to sex. An average female simply needs to open her legs. And she can have all the dicks she can handle. BECAUSE we are different innately. We are different innately for a very simple reason. Females get pregnant and nurture the baby with their titties. So let's say a woman decides to act like a man. Open her legs anytime she gets the itch. What will hap…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:46 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. When society encourage women to behave like men. Which is to say seek instant sexual gratification. How can you be surprised when these sort of pairings are significantly more common? The guy who can easily get girls is not likely to stick around to help raise the children or treat the women with any respect. But you're basically telling women to open their legs as often as possible because behaving like a useless slut is somehow liberating. Why are we shocked when the single motherhood rates sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:15 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. You're forgetting genes. Some people just have a lower IQ. Some people have a much lower threshold for violent outbursts. Some people are far more impulsive. Some people are fucking lazy. Those are far more likely to engage in criminal behavior. And yes some people have been incentivized to behave like morons in their childhood. So they continue to behave like morons as adults.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:12 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. Single dads are great parents when they choose to be; even though my dad beat the shit out of us we were raised with morals. Kind of uhhh contradicting yourself there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:10 PM
2	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. We should absolutely bring back mental asylums. The homeless population would be significantly reduced. Some of those people might even get the help that they need. No we shouldn't exile people for not getting married and having kids. Some people can't even when they want to. We should strongly encourage it, normalize it and incentivize it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:06 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. Nope. I want to scale back on the denormalization. It should be set back to NORMAL. I don't have a problem with gay relationships. Long as we as society acknowledge that they are abnormal. Just like OCD and ADHD it's abnormal. But that's no reason to shit on those people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 06:05 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. Decisions anx behavior that are greatly affected by their upbringing and the socioeconomic factors they were raised in Sure. But for some reason a lot of people in identical situations don't turn to scummy behavior. We should thus incentivize good behavior. And punish bad behavior. Crime and violence, just like everything else, scales superlinearly with population. A small and impoverished community where everyone knows one another likely going to have less crime than a massive city where people…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 05:54 PM
-1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. How does marriage magically make a bad parent good? Single parent homes produce much poorer results on average. You're anchoring on it being a bad parent. Most parents are average or good. “Im so glad my father can be in the household while he ignores me and wish I wasnt here!” Again you are anchoring on bad parents.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 03:08 PM
0	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. We need to normalize hetero relationships. Make it a golden standard. That is where LGBT plays in. They don't want that. No I don't think they should be coerced. They need to be told the truth. That this is the default and best setting for most people. If you're wired differently you do you. Yes you can tell people they are abnormal. I have OCD and ADHD. I am abnormal. It's a lot better for me to acknolwedge this truth then to make everyone else bend over backwards pretending otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 03:05 PM
4	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. Nobody is saying that. They are pointing out the collateral damage that comes from this sexual liberation trash. If you have a bunch of men raised without a male role model. Don't be surprised a higher % of them behave in unsavory ways. How do you fix it? Go back to highly encouraging pair bonding, marriage and raising children in wedlock. So that they grow up with a proper male and female role model. Which is how the human brain is supposed to develop. Stop with this LGBT and asexual pandering.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 02:15 PM
1	The majority of criminals are not raised by single moms. That’s just propaganda to blame women for the actions of men. The issue is not poverty. There is a correlation but the relationship is backwards. Not all poor people are criminals. But nearly all criminals are poor. Due to their own decisions and behavior. They behave in a way that makes them the least appealing demographic for employment, housing and generally to be around. So of course they are always going to be poor. Crime only pays short term. These are highly impulsive people who never make or stick to long term goals. There are many highly impoveris…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/25 02:04 PM
3	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? We don't have a whole pill system dedicated to figure out why people befriend each other. Maybe one day we will lol. The way our society is headed. But currently we don't. So most people don't even know any of that terminology nor do they even care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 03:31 AM
4	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? Unless we ACTUALLY ASK SCIENCE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond You have to be completely dismissing observed reality to pretend that humans do not pair bond. And that information is rather important if you seek to understand the human mating rituals and choosing patterns. If humans did not pair bond our behavior would be incredibly different in that regard. Males would not engage with their children. There would be no couples. Most children would be raised by single others (and by most I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 03:18 AM
3	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? Well yeah people who are trying to get to the bottom of things tend to use scientific terms. After all science is also trying to figure shit out. Not exactly surprising. The whole selling shpiel of the red pill is basically "we only care about the truth". It should be used in casual speech a lot more. The fact that we are coy about this nature of humans causes a lot of problems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:05 PM
0	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? To humans. Humans pair bond. Just like many other species. Just look at pretty much every city in any country. A large % of households is a mother and a father raising children. That's not a coincidence. It's also not a coincidence that many other species around the planet do the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 08:55 PM
-1	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? I never said such a thing. So not sure what's going on in their heads.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 08:54 PM
0	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? It's a scientifically accurate term. We can use a bunch of vague words that can mean anything. Like for example "love" which is extremely subjective and can include anything between a relationship between a parent and a child to the relationship between a pet and the owner. Or we can say "pair bonding" which is very specific to a male and a female raising children together that they biologically produced. I don't know why the modern generation is so scared of direct language. They would rather h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 08:37 PM
3	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? To have reliable pussy. To pair bond with a female that you like. To have children. To raise children together. To have your own family that gives you a reason to wake up int he morning. You can understand the nature of the choosing mechanism. Acknowledge that you yourself have your own choosing mechanisms that would probably be deemed "unfair" if you were honest about the out loud. And make the best decisions with the best possible outcomes based on that information. That is the whole point of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 08:21 PM
1	A lot of men marry women because they want constant access to sex, not because of her personality It's the same for both. You know it and I know it. The difference between the two is that the standards for a hook up are much lower. Both in terms of looks and what I'm willing to tolerate in terms of personality. The bottom line is... If she's not sufficiently attractive none of that matters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 08:11 PM
6	Q4M: Can you share your experiences of breaking up because she was too boring? If you ever hear a guy say he broke up with a woman because she was "too boring". That basically translates into "I got tired of fucking her". And yes that does happen from time to time. He probably didn't like her all that much to begin with though. Or she got really fat or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 07:41 PM
-1	A lot of men marry women because they want constant access to sex, not because of her personality Men simply don't care about personality. There is a primary question "Is she good looking?" (or at least sufficiently attractive in a lot of cases). If the answer is yes. We then ask "can we tolerate this person". Which in itself is usually a fairly low standard. THAT IS IT. We don't really care. We are not wired to care. Your career and your ambitions are as important as what color socks you wore on our first date. We probably didn't notice what color socks you wore and despite your repeated co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 07:05 PM
1	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating You can use statistics. As usual people don't comprehend per capita. You have 1000s of interactions with human males. ANd maybe 1-2 or with a wild bear in your life. Most people have 0.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 12:28 PM
3	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating It isn’t irrational for those who feel that way. That is exactly what we mean when we say "an argument devoid of logic and based entirely on feels and emotions". Yes I get for people who are not actually thinking about this rationally it may make sense. You would prefer to be raped (anally penetrated) by another strange man than death? There are plenty of men that would be very happy to speak with you if so. That is an incorrect framing. I've been around many many many men in my life. None of th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 07:51 PM
5	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating The odds aren’t even a factor and maybe that is what men aren’t understanding when women say this phrase. Of course not. The whole thing is completely devoid of logic. You wouldn't be saying it if you actually thought about it for a second. It’s choosing which would they rather have as the worst end result. Women are saying they would rather experience a gruesome death by bear mauling than be sexually assaulted by a strange man. Death is chosen over being raped. And somehow men find this offensi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 07:26 PM
10	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating Even then it's incredibly stupid. Your odds of getting raped by a random guy in the woods is much smaller than the odds of the bear deciding to kill you. Your odds of fighting off the male assailant are also much higher. It's just not logical or rational. It's pure emotion. This is the best example of how stupid emotional arguments really are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 07:12 PM
7	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating Why would that matter? The crocodile will rip you apart in any pool. You've probably been in many pools with other men. I doubt you've been in a body of water with a salt water crocodile.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 06:59 PM
0	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating With any bear only a moron chooses a bear. They are all predators. Unless we're talking about a panda bear lol. Which I don't think they are. If a black bear enters a residential neighborhood. We call the police and the animal control people or the police themselves dispose of it. They will kill it if they have to. If you call the cops and complain about seeing a man YOU ARE THE NUTT THEY WILL THROW IN THE LOONEY BIN. Because men are in pretty much every neighborhood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 06:48 PM
7	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating Oh brother. A bear is a predator. It is the apex predator in that environment. We are only apex predators due to technology and cooperation. You don't have a gun with you and you're on your own. You are basically at the mercy of the bear. Your only hope is that he is not hungry and just leaves you alone because for whatever reason the bear is not interested in you. You can't possibly defeat a bear in an altercation. Meanwhile as a woman both the likely hood of the man attacking you and your abil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 06:43 PM
5	CMV: "I thought y'all chose the bear" is an immature response to women's frustration with dating All you have to do is think about it this way. Would you rather be in a pool with a bunch of crocodiles or human males. If you choose the crocodiles. You're a dimwit. And yes people who complain about police brutality should be required to call one of those assholes who love to resist arrest anytime they get caught when they are in trouble. Since they don't respect or value the police officers who protect them for a living.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 06:28 PM
4	The “male loneliness epidemic” is not primarily caused by the lack of female companionship or sex, and blaming it on women is a mistake that makes things worse Yeah Ive been dota 2 sober since I got married lol Before that I had like 2000 hours. And its by far not my most played game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 01:35 AM
4	The “male loneliness epidemic” is not primarily caused by the lack of female companionship or sex, and blaming it on women is a mistake that makes things worse The need for socialization is present in both adults and children. But it is very easy to satiate for adults. The loneliness epidemic is not about that. You can have a ton of friends and a fairly rich social life. If you come home to an empty house you're going to feel like there is a giant hole in your life. That is what it is really about. Children don't suffer from it because they are too young to pair bond and have children.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 12:54 AM
6	The “male loneliness epidemic” is not primarily caused by the lack of female companionship or sex, and blaming it on women is a mistake that makes things worse Yeah well that's like saying "they didn't need adult things when they were kids". Ahha but now they are adult and want and crave those things. It's a need. It's a psychological need. To pair bond with a female and produce offspring. You won't die without it like a physical need. But you will crave it. You will feel empty without it. And you don't develop it until you hit puberty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 12:47 AM
7	The “male loneliness epidemic” is not primarily caused by the lack of female companionship or sex, and blaming it on women is a mistake that makes things worse The loneliness epidemic has to do with not pair bonding with a sexual partner. Most of these guys would be more than happy to click clack away on Counter Strike or Dota 2. That is all the socialization they need on that front. But our human brains are wired to seek pair bonding and to seek building a family. That is what they are missing. That is what it's all about. Nobody is blaming women. Women are having catastrophic rates of singledom as well. Just not as bad as men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 12:31 AM
0	CMV: GFs should not cook for their BFs Stupid is as stupid does. This advice works for women who already have a ton of great options. Not so much for people who are limited in options. Same goes for men by the way. You should always pay for your date. And the woman should cook for her boyfriend. Because men are men and women are women. The roles that got curated for a 1000 years by observing human nature knew a lot of things that we decided to forget to our detriment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 07:00 PM
1	You cannot fix problems which do not exist. Of course it does. You're less reliable. If we hire a 20 year old woman we know that 2 or 3 times in the next 10 years she will be gone for months on in. Not to mention distracted. With what I consider far more important stuff than work so it's totally understandable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 05:21 PM
5	You cannot fix problems which do not exist. What ingenuity do you propose to make women not give birth? We already have baby formula but it is not nearly as good as mothers own milk. And pumping is bad for the womans health. The ideal is to breastfeed the baby with fresh milk. Just so you understand mothers own milk is tailored genetically to her child. Where's baby formula is a hodgepodge of things that most babies need.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 03:47 AM
3	You cannot fix problems which do not exist. Supply and demand. When women enter a field then the supply of viable workers nearly doubles. Of course the salaries will drop. The demand doesn't double.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 03:45 AM
8	You cannot fix problems which do not exist. The system didn't make mothers give birth or breast feed the babies. Nature did. Even if they gave the same amount of leave. It wouldn't change that fact. Daycare vouchers are probably 2-5 years away. The fertility crisis is too much of a problem for it not to happen. So I'm not necessarily against all that. Just pointing out that in reality mother nature is "systemically sexist". Economies are built on the realities on the ground not fantasies or utopian ideals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 11:26 PM
7	You cannot fix problems which do not exist. "Systemic sexism" aka paying people based on their merit. If you have to take leave to have kids. You are simply less reliable Mother nature decided that it is the women that nurse the children and not the men. Having children is far more important than your fucking career anyway. But that's really only a small % of why women get paid less. Women typically get into much lower paying fields compared to men. They choose those fields that pay less. Or in some cases they can't do the high paying fie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 10:55 PM
1	Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypse You do :) We live in the same world. Socialism is fantastic at getting naive idiots to vote for you. Not particularly effective as economic policy though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 01:59 PM
5	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills That one is even worse. Never had children != Didn't want children At least the previous one was people saying that they didn't want children. Which I find very dubious. Like I said it's like some guy who sucks at basketball saying "well I never wanted to play in the NBA anyway". Not very reassuring.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 09:54 PM
5	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills Ahh yes. "I never wanted money anyway" says the guy who's been working at Wendy's his whole life. What people say and what they do are very different things. If human beings were genetically built to have 30-50% of their population opt out of child rearing. We would have gone extinct a very long time ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 09:08 PM
1	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills You get wayyyyyyyyyy more poonani in a realationship. There is no point to leaving the house for that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:00 PM
3	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills Yes outliers exist. No doubt about that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 04:48 PM
3	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills Humans do pretty much every activity to survive. Reproduction is a critical part of survival. So yeah it tracks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 04:05 PM
0	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills I don't believe that for a second. Hardcore bullying is rare nowadays. Humiliated by women is exactly what I am describing so you are low key agreeing with me there. And yes we are all "dumb animals". The quicker you realize that the more the world around you starts to make sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 02:01 PM
6	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills They are more than happy to live life in their house. That's kind of the point. Naturally extraverted people typically don't have these problems. Introverts have no interest in socializing in person. But they are more than willing if there is an incentive for them to do so. Vagina being one of the most powerful incentives known to man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 01:59 PM
9	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills Who said it has to be casual sex? They could be looking for a lifetime partner. Both parties benefit from that. In fact most average guys are under no illusion that women want casual sex from them. They know a relationship is the best they can hope for and are in most cases perfectly fine with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 05:02 AM
9	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills Yeah, because its desperation. Way too many guys are focusing on getting sex when they barely are able to make friends. They don't need to leave the house to make friends. They make most of their friends playing games. They do need to leave the house to find vagege. It's extremely scarce in those spaces. Because their priorities suck. Most people are not interested in being around a dude who thinks about vagina 24/7. That’s a guy who sounds like he has a lot of mental health issues. They are jus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 04:07 AM
1	Men who don't approach women, why? No Tinder is not very representative of the real world. It's representative of an environment where there are 5 dicks for every vagina. Of course only 20% of men will find anything in an environment like that. It's simply supply and demand. There is a ton of dick and not a whole lot of pussy. You can't make any judgement call about the rest of the world on this very specific and imbalanced environment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 03:14 AM
23	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills There's a huge disconnect between reality and common narrative. What's the advice you get "don't leave the house simply looking for pussy" "don't go to social events with the sole purpose of finding a woman". On and on. The problem is... That translates to NEVER LEAVING THE HOUSE. Because without that drive a lot of guys are more than content to click clack away on Call of Duty or Dota 2 or whatever. They don't need to leave the house to have their mind filled with shit to do. Obviously not all …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 02:49 AM
2	Men who don't approach women, why? What does Tinder have to do with anything. Tinder is a god awful sausage fest. For very obvious reasons. Human females simply don't select the way the males do (on average). Precisely why they find far less utility in apps like Tinder.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 02:44 AM
2	Men who don't approach women, why? Where did you get that number from? I imagine it varies wildly from guy to guy. A Chad hitting on fat chicks will pull damn near 100%. An ugly dweeb hitting on 10s will strike out 1000 times in a row. You get the idea.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 02:17 AM
0	Men who don't approach women, why? You develop people skills that way. That goes A LONG WAY towards finding a mate. Even if you strike out literally 100% of the time. Which I don't know how bad you'd have to be to do that. Or just shooting so far ahead of your league or something every time without having the awareness to adjust your expectations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 01:37 AM
7	Men who don't approach women, why? The vast majority of cases people are just too nervous to do it. Humans put an enormous value on their sexual prowess. A woman telling you no after a cold approach feels like a judgement against your value "You are not worthy of reproduction". Even though it obviously doesn't mean that. She may have a boyfriend or be gay or whatever. It doesn't matter. That is how our brain perceives it. We evolved in small tribes where getting shot down was very impactful. So a lot of guys are simply too scared…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 12:20 AM
0	Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypse Maybe you're asexual? The average human is deeply obsessed with sexuality and pair bonding. Just look around. Look at our art and media. But yes some people are not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 09:23 PM
3	Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypse Pair bonding. Males deeply care about pair bonding. You're right that translates into thinking about pussy and tits. Because that is what attracts us to the opposite sex. But it's pair bonding. ANd the purpose of pair bonding is child rearing. So it's all the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 08:44 PM
4	Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypse No it wouldn't. It would be the same sausage fest it is now. I don't see why hookers would make any difference whatsoever in dating apps.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 07:49 PM
5	Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypse uhhhh. But they don't want a harem of women who only have sex with them for $. They want a harem of women who belong to them. That is very different. I think you guys are completely glossing over the psychological factors involved with procreation. Its not just busting a nutt. That is very easy. Your hand can take care of that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 07:40 PM
0	Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypse How long has that been the case? In my experience you can drown yourself in video games and netflix for years. But eventually you are reminded just how empty your life really is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 07:39 PM
3	Even if a large group of men didn't truly had sex it wouldn't lead to a revolution or an apocalypse Yes but prostitution alone wouldn't solve the problem. The drive is to pair bond and reproduce. Not to just to nutt in a rubber sock. If that was the case masturbation and porn would easily satiate it. You have to have a sense of purpose, acceptance and desirability. You don't get any of that from a dirty hooker. I agree that the Democrats could use yet another ploy to try to get more voters. Like they do with socialist bullshit. But at some point they are going to have to stand for more than de…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 07:13 PM
-2	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes Almost as if humans treating sex as very special and having a bunch of instinctual reactions to it is innate to humans. Who would have thought. You have to remember that sex being consequence free. Or at least to the degree we have now is a VERY VERY recent thing. If you were a woman in the 1700s. You let some dude fill up your vagina. That can end up in a pregnancy. That one night of fun sticks with your forever. Long after he hauled ass. Not to mention our medicine was very abysmal by todays s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 01:24 PM
1	Why do red pillers try to use the "force doctrine"? Genetics evolves much slower than technology. We've only had guns for a couple of 100 years. And for the vast majority of the time they were not accessible to women. They've only been openly accessible (at least in US) for maybe 30-40 years. That is absolutely nothing in terms of genetics. You want our brain wiring to be completely reworked after just 2-3 measly generations? It takes a hell of a lot longer then that. For 99.9% of human history the man was by very far the most dominant force in t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/25 11:33 PM
2	Do you think its possible for a man to significantly improve the percentage of women he tries that will have a relationship or have sex with him aside from changing what women he tries? If your goal is to become a billionaire. Your only hope is luck. If your goal is to become a middle class person in America. As long as your IQ is above 90 it's actually pretty easy. Just don't make too many mistakes and apply yourself. When we talk about finding a sufficient partner. It's more akin to reaching the middle class. Most people can do it. Some people are born with deficiencies like those with low IQ or high aggression or some shit. It's hard for them to keep a job. But most people a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/25 11:18 PM
7	Do you think its possible for a man to significantly improve the percentage of women he tries that will have a relationship or have sex with him aside from changing what women he tries? Men just generally don't give a shit one way or another. She's either hot or she's not. Her social aptitude is about as important as what color socks she wears on Tuesdays. We hardly notice it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/25 11:16 PM
2	Newsflash: Even IF women approached more, not a whole lot would really change. In my experience the selection styles are quite different. Even when a man considers other things. Look work as a primary filter. So even if he cares about career or whatever else. If she don't meet his looks threshold. It's bye bye. Women not necessarily. Most guys wouldn't meet a womans threshold for "I am interested in him right away". But that doesn't mean she will never like him. Just a differences in how the brains of our sexes work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 10:00 PM
–	How would does my life experience fit within RP perspective? Why are you purple pill? You seem more red pill that anything. (aka I agree with everything you said) Do you think most red pillers can't admit that it's really their standards to blame? And a follow up question is what are you supposed to do about that? It's not like you can force yourself to be attracted to people you don't find attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 12:57 PM
–	How would does my life experience fit within RP perspective? They are talking about "ideal partner". Who doesn't want their IDEAL partner to be good looking? I don't know if that is really framed properly. I am probably not my wives ideal partner and she was not mine. But we are both very happy in our relationship. Ideal options are hardly worth chasing. You likely need several lifetimes to actually find it. If you even can because chances are your perceived ideal mate is potentially out of your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 12:46 PM
–	How would does my life experience fit within RP perspective? Every time you see a slew of lay offs. Those are always the first to go. It's not like the execs are total idiots. They know those jobs provide little to no value. But as long as the profits are good they are willing to tolerate a little loss from that trash. As soon as the profits dries up so do those cushy useless jobs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 12:40 PM
–	How would does my life experience fit within RP perspective? We don't know what the girls look like. Maybe you have very low standards. Guys like that can fuck endless women. Because they pluck from a pool of people who are desperate. We don't know what YOU look like. A lot of people have no idea how attractive or unattractive they are. Most guys can date SOME women. The one's that struggle typically have standards that they themselves can not reach. If you're a 5/10 and you're more than happy fucking 2s and 3s. You're not going to struggle nearly as much…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 12:26 PM
3	Newsflash: Even IF women approached more, not a whole lot would really change. Because they would get nowhere approaching Chads for long term relationships. The same exact thing happens to men. We initially approach the 10s. When we figure out those are not interested we try the 9s and so on. Until we find what actually responds to us. Women approaching would run into the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 12:15 PM
4	Newsflash: Even IF women approached more, not a whole lot would really change. That is completely wrong. Women who are into short term they tend to think more like men. And value looks over everything. Long term it tends to be a mixture of things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 12:14 PM
5	Newsflash: Even IF women approached more, not a whole lot would really change. I disagree. I think you guys are forgetting that how women choose short term partners is quite different from how they choose long term partners. If they were only approaching dudes for casual sex. Yeah it would just be another tinder or night club where only the Chads get the action. But for long term relationships the dynamic is very different. They would approach guys closer to their looksmatch. And generally speaking. The REASON men can APPROACH is because looks is largely the only thing we …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/25 04:01 AM
–	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? Yes and we do that with our eyes. It doesn't take us long to figure out if we want to be with a woman or not. If she shows up to the date and starts telling you about her boogar collection or her 5 baby daddies who are in prison. Maybe you reconsider. But at that point you should already be paying. Because all you're doing by not paying is making yourself look worse. Also if you can't afford a $30-40 date you need a better job :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 08:44 PM
–	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? Its human nature for the male to be the provider and to be evaluated for their ability to provide. So all you're doing by being stingy is needlessly making yourself look uglier. It's literally akin to a woman refusing to brush her teeth and arriving to the date with wretched breath. And her response is "I refuse to brush my teeth until he proves <insert some stupidity here>". That's not going to help her find a quality partner in the slightest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 08:30 PM
–	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? Looks, Money and status Personality is such a vague term it can literally mean anything. Health is an obvious one, you need a capable partner. Humor is a sign of intelligence which is a sign of a good provider. Yes women associate money with sexual interest. It's been proven over and over and over and over in endless amounts of studies. It doesn't quite work the same way as it does for men. We either want you or not. But what money does is make you more likely to be selected.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 08:23 PM
–	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? Males: select primarily on physical appearance Females: select on a combination of looks, money and status. Only the top looking men can attract women with looks alone. I keep having to repeat myself. If you're not already good looking you need to do what you gotta do to maximize your potential. AF/BB is retarded nonsense. Males are the ones with dual mating strategy not women. A woman who is wired to try to hoodwink any male she gets with is not going to have a higher chance of passing on her s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 08:22 PM
–	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? Males: select primarily on physical appearance Females: select on a combination of looks, money and status. Only the top looking men can attract women with looks alone. Chances are they are not out there trying to figure out strategies that works. It's irrelevant to them. So in most cases if you need advice focusing on all 3 is the best advice. Poor social skills is a sign of poor social status. Which is why so many socially inept men have terrible luck with women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 08:20 PM
–	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? Nonsense. It's just human nature. All that "beta male construct" garbage is completely useless in the real world. If you were born an alpha make you wouldn't need any stupid rules. If you weren't then no amount of self defeating principles are going to turn you into that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 08:19 PM
-1	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? I think that's silly. You as a man are being evaluated for your ability and willingness to provide. At the innate level in the female brain. It would be like suggesting to women not to brush their teeth or do their hair for a date. Unless the man has already "proven" themselves. You're pointlessly shooting yourself in the foot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 07:02 PM
5	Q4M: When dating, do you only spend money if there's something in it for you? Do people ever spend money when there is not something in it for them? You do realize that humans derive pleasure from helping others. We are wired this way. We are social species. That is ingrained in us.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/25 07:01 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating Only in Western nations. Techies are very valued in many other parts of the world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 09:08 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating No idea. It can't hurt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 09:07 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating Those stats are kind of dubious. 50% of people didn't make it to 5. But obviously anyone who was born had a mother. So you're kind of working with a weird pool. Right off the bat 50% of men will not reproduce. I bet they don't mention that fact. Then you add in the wars, starvation, disease and regular incel types. And that is how you arrive at those figures.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 07:28 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating That doesn't sound reasonable. Why would nature make attraction elicit this way? If most women were not interested in most men sexually. Our species would have went extinct. So what you're saying is highly implausible. What is more likely is that a small % of men can make a woman lose her shit the way an average man can lose his shit for an attractive female. On looks alone. Now that is far more plausible and likely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 05:25 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating Those hot girls (which are 9s) are only wanting to get with him for the money, he’s better off spending it on sex workers for a cheaper price and better experience, objectively. Depends. In America yeah I agree. In other countries he may pair bond with some 9 and live a life of luxury sexually. Not to mention have a bunch of very attractive children thanks to her genes. I agree with everything else you said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 04:16 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating Noone is looking for an "egalitarian relationship". The way you are describing. Every human is looking for the best option possible. If some 6/10 guy wins 1 billion dollars in a lottery. He's not going to be like "ok let me go find a nice wholesome 6/10". Homie is going to be fucking 10s. Everyone behaves the same way. HOWEVER. We also have this thing called pair bonding. Which is called "love" in layman terms. That is how come someone as rich as Zuckerberg can have a very vanilla wife. Because …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 03:41 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating What I mean by that is. If we oversimplify how females and males select partners. And by that I mean "find partners enticing". Male: Almost entirely based on physical attraction Female: Combination of money, status and looks. This is a very important difference between the sexes. On average of course. Some women select just like guys and vice versa. The thing about Western nations is that the average guy has the same money/status as the average girl. So it's value is very deflated relative to lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 03:31 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating They are both human nature. That kind of the point	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 03:24 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating Not true. Did you even read what I wrote? Most average guys have SOME WOMEN that find them physically attractive. It may only be 1-10% of the female population. Money helps them find those women. They are really attracted to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 03:22 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating The tricky part here is that most men are average looking. Which means they will be attractive to SOME women. What money does is amplify you tremendously. If there is 100 women out of 1000 that find you physically attractive. If you have money or status a large % will chase you. Without money very few will chase you. It's most useful to average looking dudes. Good looking guys don't need it. Ugly guys get very marginal benefits out of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 01:14 PM
–	Despite what the internet says, money doesn’t help a man much in dating Go travel to some underdeveloped nations. You'll see how massively effective it is right away. And before some idiots chimes in "they just like you for the money". That is the same as some fat friend telling her hot cheerleader friend that "he only likes you because you are pretty". NO SHIT. You are more than likely hitting on women with similar money and status. Which renders your money and status completely moot. You're basically down to looks and charisma at that point. And us technie nerds a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/25 12:39 PM
0	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. There aren't many drives as strong as the urge to pair up and reproduce. The reason it's not happening is because the whole "woman effective worker" thing is a VERY VERY new phenomenon. For 99.99% of human history by far the most utilitarian thing a woman could do was take care of the kids. But now that the jobs are more brain oriented. A woman surgeon can produce 200 times more than a male fast food worker. So economically it would be very dumb to force women out of the workforce. But it's also…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 05:54 PM
0	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. Not at all. Humans are wired to want to procreate and pair bond. You don't have to enslave anyone. We are already slaves to our biology. We have to properly structure societies incentive structures to make people WANT to pair up at all costs. Which includes both subsidies and good ol peer pressure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 05:17 PM
0	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. The best way to get ANYONE whether woman or man paid is to have competition FOR LABOR. Meaning there is less workers to go around than companies want to hire. So they have no choice but to impress the workers. The government gets in the way of that. We want less government involvement if we want people to get paid better. That is what I meant. It doesn't necessarily relate to dating directly. The cave man providing/protecting is baked into our brains. Even women with PhDs and who finish Med Scho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 03:40 PM
0	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. Not at all. Corporations pay as little as they can to everyone. For the longest it was "the wage gap" where supposedly it was women making less. Even though that was horseshit. Corporations have no choice but to pay when there is enough demand for labor. We need the government to get the fuck out of the economy for that to happen. But anyway I don't share your gloomy outlook. Humans are highly adaptable. This whole living in safe well fed concrete jungles with Netflix and video games to keep us …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 04:13 AM
9	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. its just pair bonding. Sometimes its strong. Sometimes its fragile. Sometimes its all encompassing. Sometimes its very situational. Humans pair bond for the same reason we form deep attachments with our children. It's all the same thing. Chemicals in our brain that encourage us to spread our seed, pair up and take care of our young.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 04:06 AM
1	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. Only in Western nations. It's alive and well in many others. And hopefully will come back full force in the West too. We're not completely retarded. We'll figure out how much this all sucks sooner or later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 04:04 AM
2	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. When you recognize what love is. Just a layman term for "pair bonding". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond When you consider why we and so many other species pair bond. All this becomes quite elementary my dear Watson. Males don't get pregnant. We don't require support after we've given birth or prior when we are super vulnerable. We are not wired to need this level of support because we are less likely to need it. Of course there is a ton of variance. Some women fill the provider role just…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 04:00 AM
–	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? I assure you the average guy has no earthly interest in wifing a dirty hooker. I'm amazed that people think otherwise. What planet are you living on?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/25 03:35 PM
1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? Everyones only value is populating the earth. That is the only true biological function. It's the only purpose humans really have. That is how we are wired. You can pretend otherwise. But you'd be wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:52 PM
1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? I really don't give a shit. But why do you think that would be innate? Seeing those men as losers? I suppose that can be true to some degree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/25 10:46 PM
2	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? uhhhh I don't spend too much time thinking about or associating with hookers. So I don't do that with them either. Society as a whole is pretty harsh on hookers. For the aforementioned reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 11:06 PM
-1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? So anyone who does something that makes you not want to date them is making a bad decision because they don’t get to date you? Or how do you mean that? Not just me. The average guy has no worldly interest in marrying or having children with a hooker. It's fairly universal. Only total losers would be willing to tolerate that baggage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:54 PM
-1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? I explained it in a further message. This is normal human behavior. We judge, bully, talk down people when they are making a bad decision. This is an effective way to prevent people from repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot. It is somewhat innate. When we see a hooker our instant reaction is "ewwww". We find it disgusting. Because a person like that makes a very bad long term partner. She would make a horrific mother. People talking shit about them both men and women alike is simple social…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:48 PM
3	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? I never cheated on my wife. The hottest chick on the planet could walk into my room right now naked and horny. Tell me that my wife will never find out and I'll know it to be true. I would still not touch that bitch. So maybe that comment is meant for someone else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:36 PM
3	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? You asked why. I'm explaining EXACTLY why it happens. Obviously the hookers have no interest in having a relationship with the men they fuck for $. Humans have been using societal pressure to get people to behave in a way that is most utilitarian since the dawn of time. That woman who is currently a hooker. She may be a useless robot right now. But one day she may want a family. This is society telling her "If you want to have a family one day stop immediately what you're doing". This is why it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:31 PM
-1	why do so many men look down on sex workers (escorts, prostitutes, onlyfans model, sugarbabies etc ) but at the same time also consume their services/content? Uhhh because dickie like pussy. Why else? When we "look down" on them. We're basically saying "all you're good for is sex, we wouldn't be caught dead in a relationship with you". It's a social signal for women not to engage in this disgusting behavior if you ever want to have a husband and a family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/25 10:16 PM
4	why do men complain about women liking bad guy, when they literally have a fetish for crazy women? I have experienced it. It's a hell of a lot easier to manage unwanted attention then to want attention and get none.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/11/25 01:06 PM
3	why do men complain about women liking bad guy, when they literally have a fetish for crazy women? Rich people problems for most of us. If they had to live as an invisible human (like most of us) for a little while. They'd probably stop feeling bad about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/11/25 12:25 PM
12	why do men complain about women liking bad guy, when they literally have a fetish for crazy women? More than likely the crazy women are good looking. And it's the good looking part that attracts them not the crazy part. Them being good looking forces men to want to deal with the craziness. So it's not like they have a fetish for crazy women. I mean I'm sure some men do. But for the most part it's just a "I'm willing to deal with her craziness as long as she is hot". The trick to remember looks are by very far the most important metric. The better looking you are the more we will tolerate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 12:34 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? I prefer to use pair bond. It more accurately describes what is happening. Refer back to the OP question. I was describing in scientific terms why we find our mates more attractive than regular people. It is necessary to keep people together producing more children and taking care of the ones they have. There is some science behind the idea that women and even men who have more sexual partners. Have a harder time pair bonding. But it's far from a consensus. And certainly anyone with social circl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:27 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? You genuinely believe that? I remember as a child I was taught that humans were the only species that murdered each other. Come to find out when I got older that was complete bullshit. Many other species kill each other. Particularly when fighting over mates or territory. Nobody has to teach us to love. Even if nobody ever told you anything about it. Chances are the second you saw your child you would be absolutely enamored with it. Because it is instinctual behavior. The same instinctual behavi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:18 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? So what? The human ape clearly falls in love and pair bonds. Other monkeys pair bond as well. We don't need to do an in depth scientific study to figure out if humans get attached to their sexual partner or not. You just need 2 functioning brain cells.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 07:12 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? Why? You think humans are not animals? You think we don't have animal instincts? When we're discussing sexuality this is very important. A lot of our behavior is instinctual when it comes to sex. We don't decide who is attractive to us. We don't decide when we pair bond with someone aka fall in love. It just happens. And it happens instinctually. To pretend that it's all magic fairy dust is not a very practical or useful approach.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 05:20 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? Translation: I prefer to pretend like love is some special magical juice. Instead of admitting that it's just hormones that were wired in me from day one using genetic code. So I'll just talk shit because I have nothing else to add.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 04:32 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? What on earth do you think love is? Do you think its some magic juice given to us by fairy gods? It's just animal instincts. We fall in love because it is a way to get a mother and a father to raise children together. AKA pair bonding. Love = pair bonding Humans are animals. We have animal instincts just like every other animal. Don't let the fact that we are much smarter than any other animal fool you into believing otherwise. We are just very intelligent apes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 04:23 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? That is what pair bonding is. Love is just a non scientific term for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 04:16 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? We absolutely do. What the hell do you think love is? It's just pair bonding. Sometimes it lasts a lifetime, sometimes many years, sometimes a few weeks. Sometimes mere days. Nothing about pair bonding implies it has to be for a lifetime. It exists to raise children together. And unless you've never been outside, never observed other humans and dont know anything about the human world. You know that we do just that. We pair bond and raise children together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 04:16 PM
–	How is sex with an ugly male provider? I learned something interesting from my wifes pregnancy. When I met her she was in great shape. Very attractive. As she got more and more pregnant. She gained a lot of weight. Just like a large % of women do. Very few women stay in shape all the way through pregnancy. I still enjoyed having sex with her. Despite the fact that ordinarily I have 0 attraction towards overweight women. It just didn't matter to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond Humans are pair bonding species. Once you've p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/25 03:11 PM
32	if men dislike high maintenance women then how come they are still pursuing them? Uhhh because they are good looking? When a man tells you what they like. You have to remember that the "are they good looking" trumps it all by a gigantic margin. I might say "I don't want my woman to be crazy". But as soon as she is sufficiently good looking I am willing to tolerate plenty of craziness. Because ultimately the good looking is a far more important metric. That is just how the human male brain works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 05:37 PM
3	People say women should have agency...until they date older men. Propaganda? The military is literally a cheat code to the middle class. The second you join. You are middle class. When you consider how much free shit you get while in the military. You get a free education with the GI Bill. If you picked a decent MOS there will be a ton of decent paying jobs available for you when you get out. On top of that since we left Afghanistan and Iraq you're not getting deployed to some shithole for months. It's more like a regular job. A very difficult regular job. Bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 03:40 PM
–	If a loner guy gets attention, but from overweight women only, does that mean he is not THAT "off"? Yes absolutely. They are 100% more desperate and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. The amount of attention fat women get is 10 times less than their in shape counter parts. They may still get more attention than an average guy. But that is only because fit skinny attractive women get an enormous amount of it. There are some legit chubby chasers. Men who ACTUALLY find women like that attractive. But they are quite rare. Most guys who fuck fat women do so in spite of the fact that they wou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 03:26 PM
–	If a loner guy gets attention, but from overweight women only, does that mean he is not THAT "off"? You gotta remember 2 things 1) Women typically don't hit on guys. So that doesn't necessarily mean that those are your only options. 2) If your only options are fat women. That means your value as a mate is probably lower than you imagine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 03:24 PM
3	For men, it isn't truly about sex. Unfortunately, for men, sex is seen as proof that they are good enough to be in society. A sort of stamp of approval. Is it fair for women? Obviously not, you may be interacting with men who are desperately trying to get in your pants not because of lust, but because they need your approval that they are good enough for this world. The obvious play for you ladies is to have nothing to do with it. A sad state of affairs that we have collectively conflated what women find sexually desirable with w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 05:57 PM
1	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. The reason age gap relationships are less stable is because people getting into relationships that late in the game tend to be damaged goods on average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 05:47 PM
2	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. And I disagree. I used to believe all this stuff to. Then I lived in Kyiv for 2 years. Saw so many Ogre + beauty couples. Realized that a lot of them are perfectly happy. Have children together. Have built a good home together. That this point of view is very reductive and more importantly simply inaccurate. I agree that SOME women behave exactly in the manner you are describing. That physical appearance is the top priority for them just like men. But those aren't the type of women guys like tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 04:03 PM
1	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. Are you going to pretend like no women do that? The truth is we typically date those around us and most long term relationships start in college.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 03:44 PM
0	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. Right exactly. Where you have a bigger divide between money and status. Women are far more likely to select on money and status. Precisely what I am describing. Like I said before. You can't select on money and status if everyone around you is the same money and status as you. If you're going to attract a woman with money or status. You need to have a lot more than her. Otherwise it's a wash with a 1000 other Joes and you're not going to stand out it any meaningful way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 03:39 PM
2	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. Because relationships aren't usually seen as a way to economically advance for men. For a large part of human history, marrying a rich older man was one of the only ways women could move up in the hierarchy. Age gap marriages are much more likely to end in divorce. Yes. A lot longer than you realize. It's probably been the case for 1000s if not millions of years (even predates humans). Precisely why males and females evolved to value those things differently innately. You really think prehistori…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 03:25 PM
1	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. 25 year old woman dating a 35-40 year old man is very common in many parts of the world. Particularly Eastern Europe. Where the dating market reflects human nature a lot better than the abomination we have in the West.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 03:22 PM
3	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. Then why do men not give a shit? Why do men honestly rank a 5/10 as a 5/10 regardless if she works at Wendy's or is a surgeon. We're not brain dead we understand the benefits of dating a surgeon versus a fry cook. That's the basic argument. This is just a difference in male and female wiring. Males are the go getters. We are the providers. We don't need a woman to take care of us. We don't get pregnant. We don't get bogged down nursing the child. We can abandon the child much easier. This is why…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 03:07 PM
0	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. Ahha. But that is why they compared men and women. They show a 5/10 to a group of guys. Whether she makes $10,000 a year or $100,000 a year makes no difference to them they still rate her as 5/10. They do the same thing with women. The women are 1000 times more likely to rank a guy who makes more $ as more attractive. If what you're saying was true. There shouldn't be a difference. But there is a difference and it is enormous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 03:01 PM
2	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. Not all women obviously. But enough to where this is a very viable approach for most guys. Read the study. They did blind ranking tests. Women were found to be ONE THOUSAND TIMES more responsive to salary information. In other words men don't seem to give a rats ass but women do. Which is perfectly in line with what we observe in the wild anecdotally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 02:45 PM
1	The idea that older men dating younger women are losers - is a woman's revenge fantasy. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X Yeah that's the lie that society sells. Problem is there is this thing called human nature. Younger women are attracted to older men with money and status the same way guys are attracted to women with nice tits and asses. Obviously this doesn't work that well if the man is in his 60s. But it works just fine if the age difference is only 10-15 years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/25 02:40 PM
3	Is the red pill mentality useful for people in troubled relationships where both really love each other? Red Pill is a concoction of many different theories and ideas. How could you possibly refute them all in one swipe. That sounds like total nonsense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 07:56 PM
2	Men should always do the bear minimum A little common sense goes a long way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 02:31 PM
1	Men should always do the bear minimum I'm here to guide the young ones. There are billions of people who are married and in relationships. Of course a % of them will be unhappy. There is literally no other purpose beyond reproduction. None.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 05:07 AM
1	Men should always do the bear minimum Im married with 2 kids. I havent drank or done drugs since my first kid was born. Im shpeaking from exshperience here. And no humans don't have a "higher purpose". We are just like all the other animals. Our only goal is to survive long enough to reproduce. Then do our best to make sure our offspring survive to reproduce. On and on. This is why so many humans are utterly obsessed with sex and love. We had to be this way to survive as a species. Nothing will give you a purpose in life quite like …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 04:40 AM
1	Men should always do the bear minimum Utter nonsense. Humans are wired to seek procreation and pair bonding. You're never going to feel fully satisfied with your life without that. Unless you're asexual or something. Or just wired differently from everyone else (an outlier). Otherwise this is terrible advice that only leads to misery.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 04:19 AM
1	Men should always do the bear minimum Same thang. If you're going to play the game. Go balls to the wall. Do your damnest. Being a shitty simp is not playing the game well. But if you do get a quality woman and she is interested. You do what you gotta do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 04:02 AM
8	Men should always do the bear minimum You should always be the best version of yourself. Obviously that doesn't mean you should miserably simp for any piece of ass that looks your way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 02:20 AM
40	Men should always do the bear minimum That's like saying you should be lazy as fuck. Because some people are born with natural talent and earn millions without any serious work ethic. Like some uber talented athlete or something. That is a recipe for terrible performance and terrible outcomes. You should do your best at everything. Whether that's economics or looking for a partner. Yes some people just got natural talent. But you don't have to compete with them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 01:23 AM
3	Is the red pill mentality useful for people in troubled relationships where both really love each other? Ultimately it deals with utility and pragmatism. In my experience red pill tends to be the most effective and pragmatic approaches. Get in shape. Make more $. Learn to be effective in social situations. etc etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 08:22 PM
2	Is the red pill mentality useful for people in troubled relationships where both really love each other? Nope that is what the red pill aims to be. Whether it accomplishes that or not largely depends on the flavor of red pill and who the information is coming from. Some red pillers are total looneys who are completely out of touch. But that tends to be the case with any group of humans.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 08:14 PM
3	Is the red pill mentality useful for people in troubled relationships where both really love each other? Impossible to tell without knowing the full context. The red pill is primarily concerned with being scientifically accurate. Even if it is rude or unpopular. But whether that information is helpful in a troubled relationship is impossible to know without details.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 08:02 PM
2	I'm questioning something I learned from the red pill. It's about red flags. Lots of tats can sometimes be a sign of sexual trauma. She is purposely making herself look uglier. Perhaps even subconsciously. Because sexual attention has traumatized her in the past. Lots of male friends... The problem is a large % of men can't be friend with women without wanting to fuck them. So that's just something you gotta deal with. She may be oblivious to it or just doesn't care. Alcohol and piercings are pretty common. But it also depends on age and context. Did you meet her in coll…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 12:35 AM
16	Women not being able to get and stay in good-quality relationships is embarrassing Imagine being a decent looking guy who can get with any meh or fat woman he wants. But can never have pretty girls. Because none of the pretty girls are interested. That is the life of an average woman. They have all the shit options in the world. But finding decent options is very difficult. On top of that. A lot of Chads are more than happy to pump and dump them. And our sexual liberalization trash has convinced women it's a good idea to get pumped and dumped by Chad. Which totally fucks up th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 01:53 AM
2	"Women want to be loved not lusted over" yet they keep pitching out for the top % of men Yes they would. Even more so than women in fact. Because at the end of the day a man enjoys casual sex a lot more than a woman. But they would undoubtedly start to fall for those girls just like the women do. If a relationship is what they crave. The complaints would be quite different because at the end of the day most males enjoy being "used" this way. But people would still complain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 07:29 PM
12	"Women want to be loved not lusted over" yet they keep pitching out for the top % of men What exactly do you expect them to do? Women need to learn that attractive men are far more open to casual sex with uglier people than vice versa. This used to be common sense and common knowledge. But somehow has been become taboo to say in our politically correct world. Because the idea that men and women are different sexually is a big no no to utter outloud. But yeah if you don't know any better. Of course you'll go for the best option available. Everyone does that. Men and women alike. If s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/25 04:44 PM
10	CMV: Pick Mes are detrimental to other self respecting women Thats just like a guy saying "They told me not to worry about social skills" "They told me not to lose weight and get in shape" "They told me not to worry about having a quality career" "They told me not to be an interesting person" Well I did all those things anyway and found a partner I am satisfied with. Making his lunch. Doing his laundry. That's just what women are supposed to do in a traditional household and it is very attractive to a lot of guys. Just like being in shape and having a goo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/25 03:51 PM
1	Why do men want to go to places with hot women if these hot women will reject them? Depends what kind of bar you're talking about. I was referring to a typically 18+ or even 21+ late night venue. Underage people sneak into those all the damn time. But how the fuck do you expect an average guy to know if the bouncer didn't know any better. If you snuck into one of those places. You're just as guilty if not more guilty of whatever shitshow you create.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 01:04 PM
1	Why do men want to go to places with hot women if these hot women will reject them? Unwanted attention is predation? That's a very strange definition of that word. A crocodile doesn't stare you to death. It fucking rips you apart. Well if they are hitting on her that implies consent. Because she has to want to do it. The fuck is an underage girl doing at a bar anyway. What does she think is going to happen? She is just as guilty for being there in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 12:39 PM
1	The idea reagrding male virginity as failures is painfully wrong, red pillers please stop lying on here. Tom, dick and jo They are often not very picky about who they stick their dick into. Precisely because they don't have to biologically be stuck with the baby. It's very hard to survive without support with in infant. That is why they need a partner and a tribe. Human females are incredibly vulnerable during child birth and about 2-3 months after. The children need constant supervision for about the first 2 years. You really need assistance at that point. So while Tom Dick and Jo can just fuck an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 12:44 AM
11	The idea reagrding male virginity as failures is painfully wrong, red pillers please stop lying on here. Human females are slightly different from human males. Females evolved to care more about what the rest of the tribe thinks about their potential partner. They are more "hive minded" in a sense. This is for evolutionary reasons. Females get pregnant. They have to nurse the child. It's very hard to survive without the tribe. So they are far more concerned with the opinion of the tribe including their mate selection. They are less interested in casual sex for the same reason. Because having a dedi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 08:29 PM
7	The idea reagrding male virginity as failures is painfully wrong, red pillers please stop lying on here. Male virgins past a certain age are failures. That is just a fact. Unless they are implicitly staying virgins for religious or other reasons. Which is fairly rare nowadays. Now whether women will lose interest upon learning that you are a virgin. Not in my experience. I was a virgin at 19 and there was a ton of women wanting to "teach you how it's done boy". Didn't really seem to deter them all that much. So that much we agree with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 07:58 PM
1	Why do men want to go to places with hot women if these hot women will reject them? A sexual predator doesn't engage in consensual sex. That's what makes them a predator. Redpill men are almost exclusively concerned with consensual sex. So no that doesn't apply at all. Even in that frame.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 06:33 PM
1	The World is not Altruistic Yes precisely. Profit is a way to hack the otherwise self serving human ape brain into helping others. You don't rely on fleeting altruism. You rely on good old self serving nature of humans. Which is significantly more effective. If not, those people suffer and die. But they don't. A hyper productive capitalist economy is WAY BETTER at taking care of the unfortunate ones. Than a low producing piece of shit socialist economy. You think it was good to be a minority or disabled in USSR? If everyon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 08:19 PM
2	Paying is better than picking up Yep. If you can pull that off. Dating apps are rough for average dudes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 07:43 PM
4	Paying is better than picking up Not even fucking close. Like I said I spent $20,000 on a single hooker. (This was over a 5 year period I'd visit her 3-4 times a year and drop about a $1000 on her every time). And I've also had some one night stands. NOT EVEN CLOSE. The one night stands actually want to fuck you. They'll let you forget the condom. They'll milk your dick. They'll ride or let you pump any way you want to. You can do it several times. They are often down to do it again (contrary to your example). Even a high quali…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 07:39 PM
6	Paying is better than picking up you they just might be horny and need someone that time ahha.... that means they want to be with you... at least in that moment lol. whether the "sex is better" is very arbitrary. I've had sex with hookers and lovers. The quality is night and day for me. The hookers are always quite robotic. The hooker doesn't think you're attractive lol. It's their job to pretend that they think you are. I was friends with the girl I spent like $20,000 on. Well "friends" in a sense that we spent a lot of time t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 07:34 PM
6	Paying is better than picking up Then it changes things a bit. If you're good looking (or rich or charming or whatever) and you can actually pull off repeatedly taking home 6.5/10s. That is way better than paying for hookers. The overall quality of the experience is just miles better. You're with someone who actually wants to be there and enjoys pleasing you. At best with a hooker you're getting a woman who is good at pretending. Problem is you know they are full of shit, and they know that you know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 07:27 PM
19	Paying is better than picking up Unless you want an actual relationship. Then the girl from the massage parlor is completely useless. Not to mention the STDs, the potential legal problems, the pimps, the dirty nature of the whole thing. It's mostly shit. Fun for a few times. But ultimately gets old very quickly and leaves you feeling just as empty as you were before in most cases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 07:24 PM
1	The World is not Altruistic The problem with anchoring on altruism and wealth redistribution is that you destroy what makes humans so exceptional in the first place. Capitalism is by far the most capable of taking care of the disabled and the unfortunate who got hit by a bus or whatever. Because it produces so fucking much. They have a ton left over for people like that. When you anchor on mediocrity. On taking away from the productive and giving to the unproductive. When your entire incentive structure is "be as mediocre …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 07:02 PM
5	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. Because of the framing. Often people will say stuff like "looks don't matter its all about personality". That is a very common phrase. That is akin to "talent and genes don't matter anyone can make it into the NBA". Yes I agree there is plenty of average looking dudes with high social status or $ who do very well. And that is also important to point out to people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 05:59 PM
2	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. Sure I don't disagree. What's your point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 05:44 PM
5	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. You don't even have to remove social skills from looks, money and status. Your social skills is closely tied to your social status. If you're a very submissive male. That signals to a woman "this guy is going to be the bitch of the group". That is not a good long term partner. Because anytime someone wants to take your resources he won't do shit about it. A person like that will have a hard time rising among the tribe. Which is the sort of environment our ancestors evolved in and so did our sexu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 05:15 PM
3	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. In reality you CAN. It's just extremely difficult and not really worthwhile advice. For instance you stick an average guy into the police department and have him work the beat for 5-10 years. I assure you he will come out significantly more socially dominant than he was where he began. His personality would have really changed as has his behavior. He may have some PTSD to boot and some aggressive tendencies that he never had before. But for the average guy struggling with dating. It's pretty use…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 05:00 PM
15	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. I never said you needed to be 0.01% of males to get casual sex. That is observably not true. I was just describing how the difference between some things is effort and the difference between other is just innate ability. The problem I find with all this personality talk is that it incorrectly implies that you can overcome structural boundaries. Similar to how someone would tell a 5 foot 6 unathletic guy that if you just practice enough you too can make it to the NBA. He can spend the next 10 yea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 04:56 PM
4	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. I don't see it that way. Take for example how defensive or aggressive someone is. I mean sure that shows up through their actions. You can't completely remove behavior from the equation. But certain people just have very different temperaments. And in fact in many cases when some guy prone to aggressive outbursts attempts to quell it they often fail. That is just who they are. When I think of personality. I think more about these innate quirks about you as a person. Not even necessarily innate i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 04:44 PM
0	The World is not Altruistic I think you're completely wrong. I actually agree that altruism and empathy are terrible modes to build an economy on. Which is why socialism is always such a miserable failure. But that doesn't really apply when we're talking about friends giving advice to each other. In most cases they are looking out for you and would prefer you would have a good outcome. The real reason they often give shit advice is because they themselves have been given shit advice for a very long time. Or sometimes they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 04:35 PM
8	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. Oh I'm a big pull yourself up by the bootstraps believer. So it's not like I disagree with you. Both in terms of economics and dating. If you're struggling. Unless you're mentally or physically handicapped. You can probably do a lot to improve your situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 03:44 PM
18	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. Changing your behavior doesn't mean you changed your personality. You're still the same person with different habbits. Refusing to learn social skills is a choice. What tends to happen is that they have been misled so badly by so many people about the true nature of dating. That by the time someone tells them to work on their people skills. They think its just another one of the 1000s of useless piece of shit advices they have gotten. Even though that one is very on point. Especially since it's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 03:26 PM
40	“Women dont care about a man’s personality” is said by superficial men and they gravitate towards superficial women. The best way to describe it is this. There are 20,000 males that were born with the genetics to be NBA players. They have the size, the speed, the reflexes, the coordination, the hand to eye accuracy. But only 500 of them are actually playing in the NBA. The other 19,500 are doing something else probably making way less money. What's the difference between the 500 and the 19500? In most cases it is luck and work ethic. Luck you can't control but work ethic you can. SO anytime you hear an NBA pla…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 03:13 PM
2	Why do men want to go to places with hot women if these hot women will reject them? Oh brother. The OP referenced being on a diet. I was describing why it is completely different from being on a diet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 02:22 PM
2	Why do men want to go to places with hot women if these hot women will reject them? No they are just human males. A predator kills their prey. We're just trying to fuck them. And in a lot of cases turn them into wives. Which benefits them as much as it does us. Very different dynamic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 02:22 PM
56	Why do men want to go to places with hot women if these hot women will reject them? A) We get a dopamine hit looking at attractive women. B) We get an even bigger dopamine hit interacting or even dancing with attractive women C) A small chance of success is better than 0% They are not on a diet. More like the tasty meal only lets you eat once in a very blue moon. But you'd readily eat it when you can. On a diet you have a ton of access to tasty food but you force yourself not to eat it. Very different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 10:37 PM
1	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them Due to proximity. I never said it was the most common pairing. I said it was a viable one. Far more viable then say 55 year old with a 22 year old.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 07:54 PM
1	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them That doesn't discount what I am saying. Just because the average age gap is 2-3 years. Doesn't mean that 35 to 24 year old gap is not likely or feasible. Fact is a 35 year old is far less likely to interact with a 24 year old. Than that 24 year old is likely to interact with some 25 year old dude. Especially if they are still in college or both working some entry level position. Also a lot of people are already married by the time they reach 35. Lots of reasons why the average age gap may be jus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 07:34 PM
2	What women say they want in dating is the complete opposite of what they're attracted to. No I totally agree with you. That's why I said "interesting one" :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 06:05 PM
5	What women say they want in dating is the complete opposite of what they're attracted to. interesting one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 06:01 PM
1	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. Having more workers = more productive economy more productive economy = more competition FOR labor more competition FOR labor = better wages and better working conditions You want a productive economy. What matters is how much you produce. Not how much people spend. Any idiot can spend. We can teach monkeys in the zoo to spend. What you're producing is what matters. Not your ability to buy a hotdog. And the more you're producing the more stuff you have floating around that people can get their h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 05:30 PM
1	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. Most people my age and younger world trade excessive availability to gadgetry if it meant easier access to homeownership. But people who matter (those who vote) disagree. They'd rather constrict housing supply and make the houses they already own more expensive. This is a government regulation issue. What do you mean "its too financialized"? You're not going to produce less housing by making it MORE ATTRACTIVE for developers to build houses. Which is what financial incentives provide. We've made…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 03:07 PM
2	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. Wage growth has not been negative. That is a socialist lie. They only posit this because they completely ignore the technological improvements in quality of all of our products. How much did a smart phone cost in the 1970s? How about a modern car? How about a PC or a playstation? How about <insert any number of consumer goods that either didn't exist or were utter trash in the 1970s>? Of course they hyper focus on housing. Because due to NIMBY regulation housing is a fucking mess. That's about t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 02:10 PM
3	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. Fertility issues arise from the cost of living going up so much in developed nations that the people in them decide to only have the kids they can afford. And with the healthcare and resources they can. And yet miserable shitholes with standards of living 10 times worse don't have those problems? lol. Come on now. If the issue was standards of living. All those African nations would have terrible fertility rates. You really think they can "afford" them? And so then a decline in the population ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 02:08 PM
1	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. We tried that with Afghanistan. We did a very similar thing to India conquest. Except we were much less barbaric. They actually GENUINELY tried to bring Democratic Western institutions to the country. The problem was the Afghans themselves. They viewed all that shit as foreign and were resistant to those ideas. That is why the thieves were never checked. In fact most people just worked with the thieves. When I say thieves I mean politicians who took the $ the US gave that was supposed to improve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 01:58 PM
0	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. How do you know they were spent inefficiently? The biggest problem was the Afghans themselves just embezzled the $. They had no intent of ever controlling their own corruption levels and we couldn't do it for them because we couldn't audit every fucking thing under the sun. Fertility issues in Europe and countries like South Korea are down right catastrophic. Europe tried to fix things by bringing in Migrants. But they are way too different from the locals. THey cause way too many problems. So n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 01:53 PM
2	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. I never said that women going to work is a radical notion. Me showing that fertility issues ARISE from women going to work is viewed as a radical notion by you. Even though it's a very well accepted theory by now. The question is what do you do about it? I described precisely why you can't just take women out of the workforce. Because they produce way too much. You'd be throwing the baby out with the bath water if you did that. But of course reading and comprehension those are difficult tasks. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 01:46 PM
-3	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. This is nonsense. The world is not too full. We need more people. Particularly Europeans. We tried to fix Afghanistan. Trillions of dollars later we figured out it was a fucking waste. Either they themselves develop a proper economy and culture. Or they will be living in the dark ages forever. We can't do it for them. Less people = BADDDDDDDDDDDD There's nothing good about shrinking populations. In every which way imaginable. Less productivity, less innovation, more poverty, more suffering. It's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 01:42 PM
5	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. Replacement theory proposes that this is intentional. I don't think this is intentional. This is just what happens when women go to work and we have access to contraceptives. Nobody is purposely replacing whites with immigrants. It's just an easy way to solve the fertility crisis. You've been trained to see everything as some radical notion. That is not good.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 01:39 PM
1	A lot of criticism against TRP isn't because of self-improvement advice, it's because many RPers (mostly men but there's also a lot of women) have dogshit morals. The countries with high fertility rates are miserably poor shitholes. But not because they have a lot of kids. Because their countries are way behind technologically. They lack access to contraceptives. And women often still fill the classic role. Which is why they often have 5-6 kids just like our ancestors did. Having lots of kids FOR A DEVELOPED NATION. Is very good. Because we have very productive economies. We turn those kids into productive individuals who are an asset to our economy. That…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 01:35 PM
-1	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them Why do you think evolution suddenly stopped like 10,000 years ago? Never said it did. But evolutionary changes are very slow. We're still pretty much the same apes we were 10,000 years ago. Very minor differences. Environment has changed A LOT MORE. LMAO, you really don't have a clue how female sexuality works do you? Bless you I actually laughed out loud. I'm not surprised to hear you say that. I'm so sorry to be the one to tell you this but using a man for money or a green card isn't even remo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 01:11 PM
2	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them Status is your standing on the social hierarchy. It's actually quite fluid and dynamic. This is because we are tribal animals and men with high status were typically very capable providers. A lot of times when women say "he is so confident" what they are actually saying is "he displays traits of someone high on the social hierarchy". This is why Passport Bro works so well. Just being a Westerner gives you a huge leg up in the status department. It's a social class thing. Our modern social classe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 12:55 PM
1	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them You gotta remember sex and partnerships are all about child rearing. That is why sex and pair bonding exists in the first place. The problem for a 55 year old man is that they are showing signs of aging. That is not good in terms of fertility. So yes any 55 year old man who is specifically going for 22 year old women. Is going to struggle mightily. Males: Select primarily based on physical appearance. Females: Select on a combination of looks, money and status. Your looks are severely degraded w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 12:03 PM
12	Don't Take The Personality Pill. As someone said on a podcast once. "Women caring about personality doesn't necessarily mean they want someone with a good personality". In other words. When they say "I am attracted to personality". They could very well mean "I am attracted to socially dominant arrogant bullies who are willing to insult people and use violence to demand respect". But the real reason you shouldn't focus on personality is because. You're not going to change it anyway. A lot of it is innate. You're not going to tur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 07:42 PM
-5	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? I was responding to the dude above who doesn't believe pair bonds are a thing. Wasn't really commenting on the whole "women who sleep around a lot turn into shitty wives". That may or may not have merit. But pair bonding is definitely a thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 06:56 PM
0	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Not at all. It's an important foundation of our mating habbits. You have to understand this foundation to build any meaningful understanding of why humans select their partners the way they do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 06:37 PM
1	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? The one who wants to fuck around is far more likely to be unsatisfied. Remember these are innate tendencies. Men who NEEEED a lot of sexual variety are far more likely to feel trapped in a realtionship as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 06:36 PM
1	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? You think women never cheat? And if so. Which woman is more likely to cheat? The one who likes fucking around when single or the one who always wants to have just one partner? It's simple logic. The woman who wants to fuck around when she is single is far more prone to want to fuck around when she is in a relationship. And since women often have an abundance of willing casual sexual partners. The one who actually enjoys it has to fight a lot harder to prevent herself from doing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 05:28 PM
0	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? That sounds like like looney talk :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 05:09 PM
2	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Women who enjoy casual sex? Which kind?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 05:04 PM
0	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Pair bonding is just people catching feelings for each other. Why do you think humans "fall in love"? The answer is exceedingly obvious. It's so that we raise children together. This is obviously the case. Unless you never went to high school and have had 0 relationships. You've experienced it as well. Or at least observed others catching feelings for each other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 05:01 PM
3	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? What exactly am I quoting? My initial argument was that pair bonding is a thing with humans. Sounds like you agree.... So why this "rollo this rollo that". Rollo ain't got shit to do with any of this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 05:00 PM
4	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Rollo did not discover pair bonding. Animal species have been pair bonding since long before Rollo. Scientists have also observed this phenomenon long before he ever said anything about it. He doesn't own the term or the idea in the slightest. I'm not like die hard red pill. I mark myself red pill because I tend to agree with more of their shit than others. I agree with some blue pill stuff and some black pill stuff as well. I'm not like some strict idealogue. Pair bonding is just biology. It's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:53 PM
0	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Yes. Males have a dual mating strategy 1) Fuck fuck fuck. Invest in one or none. 2) Invest only in one That doesn't really dispute the fact that humans do pair bond. Even the guys that do a lot of #1. Eventually catch feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:47 PM
3	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? I agree. There's no reason to believe that. What I actually think is happening is that some women enjoy casual sex a lot more than others. From an innate position. Meaning they are born that way. And THOSE WOMEN. Don't make very good long term partners. Because they constantly want to cheat. So its not like sleeping around is making their ability to pair bond worse. They were bad at it to begin with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:43 PM
3	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? I don't give a flying fuck about Rollo. I only know about him because people whine about him. Never read any of his shit. Humans pair bond. This is critical information in understanding human sexuality. If you're missing that part you can't possibly hope to understand what is going on. Many other species pair bond. Our sexual selection is based on pair bonding. Pair bonding is how you get self serving greedy selfish adults. To sacrifice for each other and the children. If we didn't have this ins…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:38 PM
2	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Yeah that I don't know about. It could also not mean what they think it does. Women are not all the same. Some enjoy causal sex. A lot don't. It may simply mean that women who enjoy casual sex don't make very good long term partners. Because they often cheat. And it was never that she engaged in it but more so she was just wired that way from the get go.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:33 PM
-5	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Because human males have dual mating strategy (NOT FEMALES but males do) 1) Fuck fuck fuck. Invest in one or none. Leave the rest to their devices. 2) Invest in one and only one. Sire several children with her. They try to teach men to think in terms of #1. Because those guys tend to be the most attractive. Most men can't even pull off #1. Because you need a lot of looks or money or status or charm or SOMETHING to make you appealing to a lot of women. If you can pull off #1 then #2 becomes much …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:31 PM
2	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? It's just an emotional attachment towards a lover. It can last a day, a week, a month, a year, a lifetime. Doesn't matter. Many other animals just fuck and move on. They don't have any attachment towards their mating partners. Humans are clearly not like that. So yes humans do pair bond. If you use the ACTUAL DEFINITION. And not the straw man people argue against.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:29 PM
4	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? It's a very simple scientific term. Do humans get emotionally attached to their lovers? Yes? They pair bond. That is what pair bonding means. There are many other species that don't pair bond. They just fuck and move on. No attachment whatsoever. In those species the mother typically does all the child rearing. The father is not involved.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:27 PM
-1	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? That's not what pair bonding means. All it means is that you develop an emotional attachment towards your sexual partner. It can last a day, a week, a year, a lifetime. Doesn't matter. There are many other species that develop ZERO attachment to their sexual partner. They just fuck and move on. The same way we just move on from our bartender or waiter or barber or some shit. You'd have to be living under a fucking rock to believe humans don't develop emotional attachments towards their lovers. S…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:25 PM
2	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? It really just means She was younger She was prettier She gave him sex without any major strings attached I don't think they mean "she did anal with him but won't do it with me" when they are saying that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:23 PM
-8	Is it true that pair bonding is affected much more in one gender than the other? Or a human. Or many other mammal species that pair bond. But yeah besides that. We should just pretend like other animals don't exist and that humans are not animals. Because it makes us feel better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 04:20 PM
1	Men are the slaves of their sexual desire, this imposed sexual desire must be completely eliminated You gotta remember a few things 1) We've made a ton of scientific advances. So we as a species indeed know a lot more and can confidently say that people in the past were indeed wrong about a lot of things. For example they may have thought that our sexual nature was due to demons or other supernatural entities. We know it's just biology. 2) The vast majority of the population could not read or write. Or count. Or do really very basic logical things that even the dumbest people in society can do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 02:42 PM
2	Men are the slaves of their sexual desire, this imposed sexual desire must be completely eliminated I don't think they thought the opposite. I think they WANTED to believe the opposite. THe same way we say "it's on the inside that counts". When the reality is very different. It's the same "idealistic over realistic" bullshit as it always has been.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 12:59 PM
1	Men are the slaves of their sexual desire, this imposed sexual desire must be completely eliminated That's not what I am saying though. I am saying humans have a nature. It's like apes in a zoo. They behave a certain way. That is just how they are genetically programmed. Humans are malleable to a degree. But to a much smaller degree than people think. This whole "obsessed with sex" state for men is a natural state. If we weren't this way our species would have went extinct a long time ago. What I'm really saying is "Human males have always been sex obsessed apes, whether today, yesterday, 100 …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 12:04 PM
2	Men are the slaves of their sexual desire, this imposed sexual desire must be completely eliminated You really think there was a bunch of men foregoing sex in favor of arts and knowledge? That sounds like a Monty Python comedy sketch.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 11:20 AM
7	Men are the slaves of their sexual desire, this imposed sexual desire must be completely eliminated Yeah maybe they said that out loud. But if you looked at how actual men behaved. Then you would see that they were actually mostly governed by their instincts. Which are very sexual in nature a lot of the times. What % of the population actually chose knowledge and arts over booze and sex? Probably a very tiny one. But sure it was a nice sound piece... just like "everyone is beautiful" and "it's what's on the inside that matters". People repeat that shit at nauseam and it means almost nothing wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 11:15 PM
6	Men are the slaves of their sexual desire, this imposed sexual desire must be completely eliminated The same instincts that we had when we were hunting and fighting off predators exist today. They are just channeled in different directions. It's why we love sports. It's why we love video games. Shit it's why we still love to hunt even though we have absolutely no reason to do it. We have not "evolved past it". We are still the same exact apes we have always been. I think that is a very important reality that people must acknowledge. This idea that we have transcended animal instincts is utter …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 11:05 PM
–	Some men never have a sexual prime It's literally the most rewarding experience on the planet. Being pair bonded and having children together. Which obviously involves a ton of intimacy. No amount of drugs or video games can compete with that. That is the appeal. Yes it's not without risk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 08:44 PM
–	Some men never have a sexual prime Divorce doesn't mean you never pair bonded. It exists to facilitate child rearing. It doesn't have to last a lifetime. They never tell you whether they divorced just a couple of years later or much later in life. Some human pair bonds are very short lived. Some last a life time. Many some length in between.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 07:20 PM
–	Some men never have a sexual prime Yes that's a risk you take. That's a risk present in any relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 04:56 PM
–	Some men never have a sexual prime Yeah I get what you're saying. But they are not going to feel complete from fucking a hooker. That's like comparing having one decent meal to constantly being fed. From the perspective of a severely malnourished person. Yes one decent meal is ok. But it quickly fades and you still feel empty all the fucking time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 02:39 PM
–	Some men never have a sexual prime Yeah but the most important thing is pair bonding not actual sex. That is truly the "most fundamental and best things in life". You're never going to pair bond with a fucking hooker. Getting your dick wet is great but it's nothin compared to raising children with your partner that are biologically yours.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 12:40 PM
1	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. The status is what attracts the woman. Its like saying that a womans pretty face is her entire personhood. Not exactly so. But when it comes to attracting males it plays a gigantic role.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/25 06:39 PM
2	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. Well yeah once you even out money and status. looks takes on a much more prominent role. Honestly I think status still plays a major role. It just gets transformed a bit. The leader of the group. The boss. The policeman. The firefighter. The soldier. The high ranking male (for whatever reason). The socially dominant male.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/25 05:55 PM
2	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. I mean yeah.... But what good is that? Why would you get into a relationship with someone you don't even want to fuck. Let alone be a couple with. It's the same for a lot of women btw. They have a ton of interest from marginal dudes and probably feel exactly the same way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/25 02:23 AM
3	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. … no, the actionable advice is stop chasing the numbers game and start thinking about how you can meet people in a way more aligned with your interests and values. This also isn’t about strictly doing hobbies only related to your interest, but cast a net around settings where you think you might meet people who will align and be compatible with you. Thats great in theory. But in practice most guys who struggle will only ever leave the house chasing vagege. If it was otherwise then they would pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 11:35 PM
8	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. Yeah but whats the actionable advice here? It has to be "Just go meet a bunch of women". Sound advice. Definitely worth doing. For a lot of different reasons. But what happens when you spend 2 years going on a bunch of social gatherings that you don't even want to be in. Meeting woman after woman. And you have absolutely no success. Any woman who is attractive has no earthly interest in you. And the women who like you are fat and ugly. What do you do then? That is how men get introduced to the r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 11:23 PM
3	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. Sure that's like saying that what women find physically attractive has variance. Nobody is arguing against that. It works kind of like this. You can spend the next 10 years looking for that one unicorn who is both attractive and happens to like the exact combination of skills, personality and appearance you have. Or you can recognize the basal instinct. Which is Looks, Money and Status. And just act on that. Getting results much faster and much more reliably. Nobody is arguing there is no varian…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 11:10 PM
5	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. But you're agreeing with that mindset. You may not realize it. But if you're saying "hey look women have money and status now so they don't select on that anymore". How is that different from what we're saying?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 11:03 PM
3	Yes, women’s standards have changed and no, its not the way you think. This goes perfectly with the Males: Select primarily on physical appearance. Women: Select on a combination of Money, Status and Physical appearance. If you even out Money and Status. Then Physical appearance starts to get the biggest premium as far as the selection process is concerned. Sure having social skills is very important. I don't disagree. A person with terrible social skills would have been the lowest ranking member of the clan for most of human history. So even that goes well with th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 11:02 PM
-1	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. We can just look at societal trends. Look at the massive rise of things like drug abuse, anxiety and depression. When we ask people what they think their source of depression is the most common answer is a lack of meaning or purpose. Where do you think most people get their meaning and purpose? Humans evolved to get their meaning and purpose past the age of about 20-25 in their own children. That is by far the biggest source of meaning and purpose. Have you really never observed some totally unw…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 05:03 PM
-1	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. Yes of course there is something wrong with them. Their innate attraction switches are mis matched. That's not a reason to shit on them. But that is just a fact. I was born with ADHD. Are we going to pretend like that is normal too? Is that somehow going to make having ADHD less of a burden? By people pretending (and mostly failing) that its normal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 04:19 PM
-1	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. How do you know that they are happy? A lot of people are outstanding at hiding how miserable they really are. Which is why it's always a shock to so many people when someone commits suicide. The same thing is always said "he seemed so happy" or "he seemed so full of life". Yeah cause that's what he wanted you to see.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 03:13 PM
–	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. Who said anything about forcing people to get married and have kids? We don't force anyone to brush their teeth and wipe their ass. But we strongly recommend it. You're not going to go to jail for walking around smelling like poop. But you will suffer social consequences for it. That is what I am proposing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 03:09 PM
-3	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. Not at all. Many people who are wired to procreate fail to find a partner. There is a ton of men out there that would love to have a family but just can't find anyone worth a shit. The message we should be sending is "you're going to be miserable if you stay single. find yourself a partner. Have some children and make a family. There's literally nothing better on this planet. no amount of video games or hobbies can ever even come close to that level of meaningful life."	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 01:10 PM
-1	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. Yes outliers exist. Nobody is saying we should sanction people for failing to get married and having kids. Just don't suggest it to the general population. It's not a good suggestion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 01:05 PM
-1	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. Your own brain shames you for it. We're just apes at the end of the day. It's the same reason so many people are fat. Your own brain wants you to be fat. Because we evolved in scarce plains and food was constantly short. People are still pretty fucking miserable when they are old and childless. Regardless of how society views them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 01:04 PM
-7	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. Right. Mine comes from a nature stance. Humans are wired to want to procreate. An old woman without children has her own psyche working against her. Obviously not all people are wired that way. But on average they are. So giving them advice that turns them into "cat ladies" is ultimately setting them up for a very miserable older life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 12:26 PM
–	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. The miserable part is what's wrong with it. We try to prevent people from being miserable. Especially when it's choices that we are recommending. Its the same reason we don't recommend men cut off their balls. It would make them miserable in the future. Yes of course leaving a bad relationship means being single temporarily. But single shouldn't be a desired status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 12:09 PM
-13	They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. So shouldn't the message be "don't stay in bad relationships"? Versus "turn yourself into a miserable cat woman".	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 11:49 AM
3	Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you? The stripper thing yeah probably not. I would venture to say that most guys only care about whether they are fucking her or not. And whether the relationship is exclusive. Who she fucked in the past is largely irrelevant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 02:29 AM
-1	Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you? Never gave a fuck. I fucked 10/10 strippers in Miami for cash. Thus in most cases anyone I was fucking was also on the same side of the coin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/25 12:14 AM
–	No, women don't wanna be mothers not because environment is bad. When did it go to shit? Humans have never lived better than now. By a long shot. The average human has never been wealthier. A wealthy elite is just a byproduct of a meritocratic system. Some people are wayyyyyyyyyy more productive than others. Just consider how much better Lebron James is at basketball versus a regular human. Him playing with regular men is like me playing with 5 year olds. Now realize that there are people that are that good at business. How much $ do you think people like tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 11:51 PM
–	No, women don't wanna be mothers not because environment is bad. Actually the reason capitalism works is precisely because it doesnt force humans to be anything other than humans. It creates an incentive structure where the most capable significantly outearn the regular plebs. But in doing so it creates massive abundance for everyone. It clearly understands that the average person is not particularly capable and very self serving. That is why it works and everything else doesn't. It deals with real people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 11:20 PM
–	No, women don't wanna be mothers not because environment is bad. That is what sanitation technology is for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 10:36 PM
–	No, women don't wanna be mothers not because environment is bad. Yeah but the problem is the whole country is an underdeveloped shithole. Having less people is not going to make it more developed. Quite the opposite. You need people to develop an economy. They are this way because their infrastructure hasn't caught up to the life altering technology they have access to thanks to the West. Most notably vaccines, antibiotics, modern medical facilities and practices, agricultural practices. The rest of their country is still many decades behind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 10:35 PM
–	No, women don't wanna be mothers not because environment is bad. Yes a very miserably poor city is going to be a miserable place. So what? All these beliefs are based on a fallacious principle called the "fixed pie fallacy". Meaning if there is more people there is less to go around. But that is only true when you have shithole economies ran by idiots. With socialist practices. In capitalists countries the exact opposite tends to be true. The more people you have the more overall production you have. The richer everyone is. This happens for a simple reason. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 10:32 PM
-3	No, women don't wanna be mothers not because environment is bad. Absolutely. Why the fuck not? I already live with 8 billion of you fuckers :) What's an extra 92. You gotta remember. More people = more innovation = more wealth for everyone	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 12:54 AM
-1	No, women don't wanna be mothers not because environment is bad. The world is not overpopulated in the slightest. You could have 100 billion people on the planet easily. Not sure where people get this insane idea from. Malthusian was proven wrong several times now. Why people continue to make his mistake is beyond me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 12:12 AM
4	Female double standards regarding insecurity I'm married now. But back in my blackpilled days I did my own little experiment. Where I sat there and observed couples. I found most couples were lookmatched. But the biggest finding was how grossly overstated all this heightism stuff was. I think it's more of an internet thing then a real life thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/25 11:51 PM
4	Female double standards regarding insecurity As they should. But the point stands. That shit really plays practically no role.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/25 11:16 PM
4	Female double standards regarding insecurity Most insecure men don't go around complaining about their insecurities to women they are trying to date. That is just not something regular humans do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/25 11:11 PM
13	Female double standards regarding insecurity Complete nonsense. If that same short dude gets married to some chick that he really likes. He won't give a flying fuck about other women thinking he is short. So yes another person can and often does fix your insecurities. We are social creatures after all. This whole "Just be happy with yourself" nonsense is drivel and completely useless advice. Work on yourself but realize you will never fill fulfilled if you're unwanted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/25 11:05 PM
2	The reason women aren’t engaging with men is not fear of violence That’s what I’m saying, what’s stopping men from being more picky and also looking for a combination? If you think she’s pretty but she’s broke and unemployed, turn her down. Human nature. We don't pick what turns us on. I can't just turn around and say "from now on I am attracted to women who wear yellow dresses" and poof suddenly any chick with a yellow dress makes me woody stand up. It just doesnt work that way. Why do you want to waste your money on a woman who’s on a date with you just beca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 06:53 PM
2	The reason women aren’t engaging with men is not fear of violence No and thats where the looks/money/status thing comes in. The way males and females select is just completely different. Males: Almost entirely based on physical appearance. Females: On a COMBINATION of looks/money/status. So yeah if you're just a really good looking guy you don't need a whole lot of money/status. I've seen a video where a homeless dude was taking pretty girls home. He's just good looking. The implication here is that. A high status man to a woman is like a chick with a really n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 06:15 PM
1	The reason women aren’t engaging with men is not fear of violence A) I completely agree that industrialization and eventually modernization caused this seismic shift. Women are capable of way out earning men by going into complicated fields such as medicine, engineering, law etc. B) I don't agree that men shouldn't pay. In fact I think it's terrible advice. Would be akin to telling a woman who's not very attractive to never wear make up and never wear dresses that accent her best features. All you're doing is shooting yourself in the foot. Whether you like it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 05:49 PM
6	The reason women aren’t engaging with men is not fear of violence Very well put. I like how you worded that. What are your thoughts on the looks/money/status dynamic. That in the past most of our work was grueling manual labor. So guys with bigger muscles tended to be more productive. On top of that our pecking order was still fairly rudimentary. Guy with biggest muscles on top of the heirarchy. which was usually men. So that meant both in terms of money and status men were usually higher than women. Even if they were all farmers. An average guy would have no …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 04:08 PM
-1	The reason women aren’t engaging with men is not fear of violence I have a slightly different theory. Its looks/money/status. You need to have a lot of something in order to attract a woman. Or at least more than her. Back in the days that was easy. Most men had way more money and status than most women. We had bigger muscles. Which meant that we were both more productive back when most labor was physically intensive. And because we were bigger and stronger we held a higher social standing. Obviously no always. Plenty of productive and high status women existe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 03:51 PM
2	The reason women aren’t engaging with men is not fear of violence So let me get this straight. Human females are wired to want to reproduce. Just like males. We are all wired to form pair bonds and raise children together. Well not all but most of us. Anyway so for some reason females are just choosing not to copulate. Not to form pair bonds. Not to create children. Your theory is they are uninterested. Not attracted to the males around them. Why do you think that is? I have a theory but I want to hear your take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 03:25 PM
1	People who don't like the fish analogy, are these ones better? BP paints a very rosy picture. Red Pill is more nature than nurture. moderates recognize that nature has variance as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/25 10:17 PM
1	People who don't like the fish analogy, are these ones better? Most of those are radical takes. Most red pillers are far more moderate. General ideas 1) Women are attracted to looks/money/status while men are mostly attracted to looks. 2) Looks do matter to women. 3) Being the best version of yourself which includes being in shape, having a good career and having good social skills is ideal for finding a quality mate. 4) Passport broing is a cheat code that works for a lot of men. 5) The mainstream narrative is far more focused on sounding pleasant rather t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 11:12 PM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Sure as a single unit. Which is why we are tribal animals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 09:53 PM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism not necessarily. Humans have a super power. Sweating. That is how we used to hunt. I agree that any single lion or wolf or bear would absolutely destroy a single male human. But a tribe of humans will make the whole forest their bitch. Not just with their brains but their cooperation + brains.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 09:33 PM
0	People who don't like the fish analogy, are these ones better? Yeah but the issue is. There is value in the truth. And if the only way to speak the truth is to piss some people off. Then the Red PIll wins. Because they are the only one's willing to say it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 08:15 PM
4	People who don't like the fish analogy, are these ones better? Those seem like radical reductive takes. A moderate red piller would admit everything is on a spectrum. An average woman will behave in so and so way. But those are only average observations. You can make yourself appealing to the average woman or you can try to find outliers. To answer your question. No human is perfect. The baggage needs to be tolerable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 07:50 PM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Well yeah. You can take the ape out of the forest but you can't take the forest out of the ape. It's still hard wired even if it is maladaptive. That is true for a lot of human behavior.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 07:34 PM
0	People who don't like the fish analogy, are these ones better? Yes but the bigger picture here is that you don't care how the fish feel about it. Not that you are trying to catch them, kill them, then cook them on a skillet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 06:51 PM
5	People who don't like the fish analogy, are these ones better? The fisherman thing works because you're somewhat asking the question from a "I don't really care how women feel about this information angle". So you're not necessarily trying to lure them in a predatory way. You're just uninterested in their overall opinion of it. Similar to how a fisherman could give a shit if the fish hate him. A lot of the red pill stuff women despise. Because it reveals things about their nature that they are not comfortable with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 05:16 PM
2	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Sure not all pair bonds are identical. Humans have a variety. Some are very short lived. Some last a lifetime. No argument there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 03:06 PM
-1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism They are uncontacted because they don't want to be. Like the Sentinelese. We know where they are. But they murder anyone who dares step foot on their soil. And we don't want to forcefully take over because we have no reason to do that. You can't assume that the entire human genome behaves exactly like the Sentinelese. When these people have been evolving for 100s if not 1000s of generations separate from us. This is why you have to take their customs with a grain of salt. What works for them cou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 03:04 PM
0	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Other women helping doesn't dispute the fact that humans are pair bonding species. If we weren't pair bonding species. The male would feel 0 attachment both towards the mother and the children. There are many species that are like that. They just stick their dick in, ejaculate and bug out forever. That is clearly not how humans operate. I never said anything about nuclear family. That is a totally separate discussion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 02:59 PM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism If humans did not pair bond. Males would feel no emotional attachment towards the mother or the children. It is not taught to us by religion. These are innate instincts. Even in the total absence of religion. Fathers would still feel these things. Much like sexual attraction. This is not a choice. This is just instinct.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 02:31 PM
–	Are there really other kind of women on dating apps and real life? Yes on average the women are different. Let's say that 30% of women genuinely enjoy casual sex. While 70% do not enjoy it to various degrees. Some just don't like it that much others are completely against and think it's disgusting. FOr the sake of simplicity lets just separate them into 30% of those that do and 70% that don't. You will find MANY MORE casual sex type women in online dating. Than you would out in the wild. Because online platforms are far more effective at building quick relation…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 12:56 PM
–	Highly attractive humans being bad doesn't corelate with reality Here's a better thought experiment. What % of the general population are very popular youtubers? He is a massive outlier. You can't generalize anything about the general population while looking at massive outliers. Most good looking people don't make a ton of $ with their looks. They just go through life with subtle advantages that can be negated by any number of things. They don't have massive followings. They don't have bodyguards. So looking at someone that does, doesn't tell you a whole lot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 12:40 PM
2	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism If you don't agree with the definition from the Wikipedia article YOU cited, maybe I'm not the retarded one? Thats not the definition from the wikipedia article. That was the critique of pair bonding. No, your argument was that human being mated in pairs and raised children as an independent unit. That's you making an argument for nuclear families. Not me. Which they observably do if you just open your eyes and look at any country on the planet. Please provide a single piece of evidence that nuc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 12:07 PM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism What the hell they got to do with anything? If uncontacted tribes have weird maladaptive behaviors. That doesn't mean that all humans do. That just means those weirdo tribes do. That's why they are off in the boonies to begin with. Because they can't function with the rest of society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 11:48 AM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism "Pair-bonding is a term coined in the 1940s[1] that is frequently used in sociobiology and evolutionary biology circles. The term often implies either a lifelong socially monogamous relationship or a stage of mating interaction in socially monogamous species. It is sometimes used in reference to human relationships." That is nonsense. Pair bonds don't have to be lifelong. They can last any number of time Pair Bonding is just the scientific term for falling in love. Nobody teaches us to "fall in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 11:46 AM
0	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism As I told another poster. If humans were not a pair bonding species. We wouldn't have relationships. There would be no concept of boyfriend and girlfriend. The man would never have any relationship with the mother or the chilren. He would just stick his dick in, ejaculate, and haul ass. THere are many species that function exactly like that. A pair bonding species is where the mother and father from an attachment to each other and raise children together. Now which one sounds more like humans?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 10:43 AM
-1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism What? Are you guys nutts? Of course we are pair bonding species. What kind of madness do you have to be reading online to believe that humans are not a pair bonding species? Do you understand what humanity would look like if we didn't pair bond? We wouldn't have relationships. Like at all. We would just fuck and that's it. There are many species like that. Where the father has absolutely no involvement with the children. This fails the simplest of logic tests. Do fathers form an attachment to th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 10:41 AM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Hedge fund managers exist because the investment apparatus is EXTREMELY effective at speeding up innovation within an economy. People way overfocus on the massive outlier managers who make millions just throwing spit balls into the air. They forget about the 1000s of people who risk their $ hoping that whatever they are investing in ends up being the next big thing. This puts innovation and technology at the forefront. There's a reason why so many of the biggest companies on the planet are based…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 12:41 AM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism That is how the economy works though. The whole point is to address scarcity. Scarcity is natural. If you don't reward people for massively addressing scarcity. The way a surgeon does. You won't have enough surgeons. Ever. It's a very difficult trade. The incentive structure is intentionally most rewarding for those with the most ability. That is not a flaw in the system. It is a critical component that makes it effective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 12:23 AM
-5	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism You're forgetting that we are pair bonding species. Much like many other species of mammals. We raise children in pairs. Male and female. Mother and father. We have always done this. So when I say "taking care of the woman when she is pregnant". I mean taking care of the family. Yes the tribe helps. But the tribes are separated into family units.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 10:48 PM
-2	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Im not the OP. Why do you think males are so much stronger? What do you think the function of that was in the wild? Of course it was for protection. Protection and providing. They are male tasks. Women provide nurturing. Males are the providers. Females are the nurturers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 10:46 PM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism We reward merit. For instance some woman working in OBGYN surgery. She produces more value than 100 male burger flippers. She doesn't even make 100 times more $ than them. But she does make a lot more. This is a good set up. We want the paycheck to be as close to the actual value to society as possible. The market is just the most effective way we have found to find that value. It's not perfect by any means. But a hell of a lot better than anything else that has been tried before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 10:06 PM
1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism We mostly agree on the dynamic. I just don't see the point of blaming or even mentioning capitalism. This would have happened under any system. Because eventually your muscles become irrelevant. I agree that it is an evolved preference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 09:50 PM
-1	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Nobody is saying women sat around and did fuck all. Men are the stronger sex. They provided protection. When the woman was pregnant or nursing. They were out there taking care of the family. Yes obviously the rest of the tribe helped. Nobody is saying they didn't. But in the father/mother dynamic the female took care of the babies and the male went out and got shit for the family. This dynamic has massively changed now that a woman can easily earn as much as a man. Thanks to the fact that most o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 09:42 PM
2	Men are not able to be providers anymore due to capitalism Its not capitalism. Its technology. The value of big muscles has massively degraded as most of our labor is using our brain nowadays. The difference between males and females in the brain department is much smaller than in the muscle department.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 09:34 PM
–	DEI can help everybody, including white men, and to demonize it is fighting in your own best interest. Fuck DEI. It is anti meritocratic Marxist mumbo jumbo. We should always hire on merit. Not based on race or gender or nationality or whatever. Because it is a pendulum that swings on both sides. You tell enough white people that "we are no longer hiring because there is too many white people working here". Won't take long before a lot companies refuse to hire anyone but white people. To make up for the bigotry. On and on. It's a cycle. The only true pattern is HIRE ON MERIT. We should always str…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 01:44 PM
1	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? We learn what language we speak, and we learn most skills (e.g., humans are not “natural” touch typists). Language ability is innate to humans. They tried to teach Chimps and Gorillas to speak. Using various methods. They lack the faculty to fully take advantage of this skill. They developed rudimentary ability to communicate. But not beyond what say a 3 or 4 year old would develop. So while the language itself is indeed learned and depends on the region you are born in. The ability to develop l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 02:00 PM
2	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? OTOH, the nobles or wealthy burghers back then actually had to buy those Baroque paintings. So it's simply reasonable to assume that they liked what they saw. Or why else did they spend their money? Yeah rich fat women paid painters to paint their ugly fat asses. The painter... had to pay his bills somehow. You just answered your own question. Or a woman like Madame Pompadour (the actual mistress of Louis XV) also didn't look fit and was quite chubby but considered the pinnacle of beauty. By who…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 02:27 AM
3	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? Yes all these paintings. Which is why I brought up the gaunt looking 1990s models. If some alien was flying by earth in the 1990s. They probably would think that the average guy jacks off to Holocaust survivor looking women. But we were not. We liked fit women. We didn't like that look. Only the guys who put those women on the pedestal liked that look. And they were gay, they didn't even like women. Which is why I say that what the media portrays as attractive is not always consistent with what …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 11:52 PM
3	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? In the real world the vast majority of men prefer fit women. not fat women. Yes there are a small % of legit chubby chasers. By legit I mean they ACTUALLY prefer that. Because most guys that date fat women only do so because they can't get anything else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 11:11 PM
3	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? Being fat was never attractive. I'm not sure why people continue to perpetuate that myth. It's just like in the 1990s where our "super models" were gaunt as fuck and looked like Holocaust survivors. The average guys did not like that look. Even though that is what the media portrayed as the most beautiful. What the media says is often not consistent with what real guys actually find attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 10:48 PM
3	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? The real world being the real world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 10:39 PM
6	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? In the wild it signalled a poor partner. We're not talking about slightly chubby. Most men are fine with that. We're talking obese or just FAT. In the wild if you see a very fat person it means one of these things 1) They are dim witted 2) They are extremely lazy 3) They are very injured or diseased You couldn't really become obese in the past. We were constantly moving around. Constantly hunting, gathering, building, taking care of each other. Most people were at least moderately fit. Having ab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 12:34 AM
7	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? This is exactly what I mean. "But research shows the girls who a very small % of people find attractive are actually attractive.". Your research ain't worth shit if it doesn't line up with the real world. And yes of course biology matters with what we find attractive. Otherwise people would be falling in love with their poodles, computers etc. Yes it happens in very edge cases. But it's extremely uncommon. Usually people criticize the most radical positions from the most radical red pillers. The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 12:23 AM
5	How does RedPill actually make you feel better about life/help you? Reading into RP, I found that a lot of common beliefs seem quite sad: people are completely self-serving, relationships are transactional, unconditional love doesn't exits, social settings are competitions, etc. Personally, it's hard to imagine believing these things and building a socially and emotionally fulfilling life. You're mis interpreting it. The goal is to be accurate. Because people often tend to explain human sexuality in terms of "things are as how I wish they were" instead of how th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/25 11:44 PM
–	Is picking up girls worth it when your aim is to get married and have a nuclear family? Yes it's critical. Social skills is a must. Having weak social skills puts you at a big disadvantage. Sure if you're Chad you don't need it. But you're probably not Chad. Average looking men can make massive improvements in their outcomes if they improve social skills. Better looking women. Better relationships. Which ultimately leads to a better marriage. Also going out to pick up women is a great way to force yourself out of the house. It's about the only thing capable of getting a large % of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 12:51 AM
–	I simply don't believe in "beer googles" Are you telling me a tipsy/drunk guy doesn't know he's holding someone big? The eww factor has been diminished. Think about it this way. Go into a disgusting night club bathroom. With fucking puke and piss all over the place. How easy is it to tolerate such a place when you are sober? Do you even notice all the disgusting shit when you are very drunk?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/25 05:36 PM
–	I simply don't believe in "beer googles" No I don't think thats correct. You probably do have more gay slip ups when people are drunk. Meaning guys who are already borderline gay. Following through. But its not really the same thing. Its more like the angles and patterns we look in facial features change. We are far more forgiving of flaws. You take a fat girl. She looks a lot better to a dude when he is drunk. Why? Because her being fat has a major "eww" factor. Which is a sign of a poor partner. That message gets significantly less p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/25 05:23 PM
–	I simply don't believe in "beer googles" And I would argue that the base attraction is what changes. As in "this person was not capable of pleasing me before because I felt zero sexual attraction. Now that I am drunk I do feel innate sexual attraction and they are capable of pleasing me". I always anchor on nature when the situation is ambiguous. Mainly because attraction is not something you actively control. If you can't control it. Society has a very hard time controlling it as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/25 05:09 PM
–	I simply don't believe in "beer googles" No they become more attractive. Your standard for what you're willing to fuck significantly lowers. You get aroused by people that normally have no way of getting you aroused. Its like enjoying certain activities that you would HATE when you are sober. Like going to a loud night club. Normally that is a hellhole for me. But with enough drinks its fun as hell. You literally start enjoying and liking things you are not capable of liking sober. That's not just inhibition. That is a more fundamental…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/25 04:54 PM
–	I simply don't believe in "beer googles" uhhhhhhhhhh how the hell did you jump to that? I guess you live up to your username.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/25 04:51 PM
–	I simply don't believe in "beer googles" Well.... Uhh........ Someone has never had a drunken one night stand. I have literally taken a girl home. Fucked her brains out. Next morning woke up and found myself utterly horified at my decision. Which made perfect sense back when I was drunk. In fact fucking ugly women is by far not the only decision I made while drunk. Which had me utterly horrified the next morning. Shit I am still horrified at some of the decisions I've made drunk and I haven't had a sip in over 3 years. Beer googles are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/25 04:15 PM
1	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. When did I say that? Perhaps you misread. A 8/10 woman walks up to a 6/10 man in a bar and offers casual sex. The 6/10 man will say yes damn near 100% of the time as long as he is single. A 8/10 man walks up to a 6/10 woman and offers casual sex. She gets offers like this all the time. A much smaller % will say yes (but some will). May be as little as 20-30%. The proportions are wildly different. Men are simply more interested in casual sex per capita. Doesn't mean all women are uninterested.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 11:56 AM
1	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. They have done studies where they had a random woman come up to men and proposition for random sex. And a man do the same. The results were about what you would expect. A high % of men agreed to it. Almost no women agreed to it. The level of interest in casual sex is very different. Now according to you.... You're a Chad. Guess what. Women DO WANT to have casual sex with you. In fact thats about the only way to talk women into having casual sex with you. By being very physically appealing especi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 11:53 AM
1	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. ON AVERAGE. There is plenty of slutty outliers. Not to mention they enjoy the actual sex. But then feel like shit afterwards because they fall for the guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 11:47 AM
3	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. I've talked to my sister and wife about this. They get hit on (or at least used to) by people who are physically attractive all the time and turn them down. Either because it's obvious they are just trying to get laid or because they are acting like Bozos. Neither of which would deter a man if an attractive woman was hitting on them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 07:43 PM
2	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. I was using 9/10s as an example that would be easy for men to understand. I'm sure if they go out enough they occasionally get hit on by people that attractive. But I agree it's not like an every day standard. Also depends largely on your geography. Some places have more whoring and desperate Chads than others. I bet an average looking chick could fairly reliably hook up with a Chad in South Beach for example.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 07:32 PM
1	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. An average looking girl will get hit on by better looking dudes if she goes out clubbing or something. Maybe not 9/10s. But better looking than her for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 07:12 PM
3	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. It deals with pair bonding https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10295201/ That is a human insinct. A male can easily enjoy having sex with someone they have 0 intent of pair bonding with. A woman often can not. On average of course. What muddies the water here is that ONCE THEY ARE PAIR BONDED. A woman can be just as horny as a man. The standard for what "enhorniates" them is quite different. It's not the same thing as "men are hornier than women".	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 06:14 PM
9	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. It's not even "as horny". A woman can be plenty horny around "her man". But she wants to have sex with "her man". A guy having sex with her with no intention of committing to them doesn't feel that good to them. Where's for a guy it's perfectly acceptable. If you get to fuck some random hottie and you know she has 0 intention of a long term relationship that is A OK.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 06:05 PM
15	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. Thats not the confusing part. The "women don't get the same level of satisfaction from random sex with good looking dudes" is the confusing part. (before I was married) If I knew I could just go to a bar and have a bunch of 9/10 women hit on me because they wanted to have sex with me and ghost me. I would go out all the time specifically looking for that. Because as man I would significantly enjoy that. Women don't really enjoy it in the same way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 05:58 PM
32	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. I think the big confusion comes from the fact that Average women can get what Average men want. Fairly easily. Problem is they don't want it. I'm talking about casual sex of course. Most average looking men would be delighted to have a bunch of good looking women "use them" for sex. Just a difference in human biology. Women get pregnant and men do not. So women are naturally far pickier about sexual partners and particularly one night stands.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 05:09 PM
20	Do you think bad men are simply a case of demand breeds supply? I don't think you understand the relationship. Its backwards. Men who are already attractive to women. Tend to treat them like shit. Because they can always find a new one. Not always, but very often. They are not attractive to women because they treat them like shit. They have other features such as perhaps great physical appearance that women find attractive. Them treating them like shit is a result of the fact that women are easy for them. But it's not like women can stop liking attractive me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 03:35 PM
1	The red pill ideology does not hold true for most high status individuals Im sure people have all sorts of interpretations for shit. When you frame it as some rich CEO yeah it makes little sense. When you frame it as just some guy who can get women for whatever reason. Whether charm, looks or money/status. Then it suddenly makes perfect sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 01:29 AM
5	The red pill ideology does not hold true for most high status individuals A high value man is just someone who can get with pretty girls on a regular basis. A Tyrone who spends half of his life in prison and has a net worth of $0 can be a high value man. Simply because he is fit and attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 01:05 AM
–	Modern dating’s freedom of choice is an illusion, and most people are miserable for it. Not proven? Every society on planet earth regardless of how rich or poor, regardless of religion. Focuses on the mother and father style family. That is not a coincidence. That is the ideal setup for our species. This whole "you don't need a family to feel whole" is the toxic ideology. It's what is f ucking so many people up. Yes if you look at millions of couples you will find all sorts of examples of poor couplings. That is always the case. That doesnt mean that you shouldnt couple up though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 05:34 PM
–	Modern dating’s freedom of choice is an illusion, and most people are miserable for it. I never said it was "the only way". It's the most reliable way. "Find your tribe" doesn't really work the same way. You don't get the same level of intimacy with your close friends as you do with your children and spouse. You don't have sex with your friends. You don't live with your friends (after college). Your friends are not made from the same DNA as you. Yes I agree there are other ways to accomplish this. The thing we went away from doing is telling people "This is the most reliable proven…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 04:53 PM
–	Modern dating’s freedom of choice is an illusion, and most people are miserable for it. It's about the framing. There is a whole generation of people who are fucking miserable and have no idea why. Because it has become toxic to point out "if you don't get married and have kids your life is going to feel empty as fuck". Because we are so busy making sure the edge cases who are gay, infertile or just uninterested are not offended. We are fucking over the majority to appease the minority. It's not about how society views things. It's about our own psychological perception. Humans der…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 04:07 PM
–	Modern dating’s freedom of choice is an illusion, and most people are miserable for it. Biologically that tends to be the case. Just like for a lot of men impregnating a woman and helping her raise a child is the greatest role they can fill. This is how our species evolved. Just because feminists disagree with this notion it doesn't undo million of years of evolution (which predates humans). We don't live for our jobs. Most of us would never go to work if it was optional. Friends and hobbies are great. But they are not sufficient in replacing the value that having a partner and a f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 03:53 PM
–	Lookmaxxers are right The point is she LIKES YOU. She can pair bond with you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_bond Humans are pair bonding species. We also call it "falling in love". The scientific term is pair bonding. So you can go to a poorer country. Find a woman 10 times better looking than one you can date in the west. And she will REALLY like you. Who gives a shit how others perceive it. You both like each other. You go home. You make her your wife. You raise children together. Everyone is better off includ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 11:53 PM
–	Lookmaxxers are right It's simple arbitrage. A musty greasy dude is not going to do very well. Most of these women are regular women with real jobs and lives. They are not a bunch of homeless trash. If you're going to date them you need a decent job and look somewhat presentable. You don't have to be a looker. Just being average looking is plenty. But you can't be a fat slob. But yes otherwise it's simple money/status arbitrage. They are getting something out of it too. They want a high status guy the same way guys w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 11:13 PM
5	A lot of you have really conflicting values. What are your core preferences? The second one is easy. A all the way. I'm the man I'll figure out how to earn the $. The first one you kind of want the best combination of both. You don't want some hooker who has slept with 500 men just because she let you hit it on the first night. Conversely you don't want some low n count woman who will string you along for god knows what reason. I suppose you didn't say that B has necessarily slept with a lot of men. It's only somewhat implied. So most guys would choose B there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 10:37 PM
–	Lookmaxxers are right That is what women do around the house in more family oriented cultures. Don't worry men have a lot of expectations of them too. It's a good setup for the human species.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 10:25 PM
–	Lookmaxxers are right No that's not what I'm saying. I used to think that (same as you). My dad tried to tell me for like 15 years otherwise and I just didn't listen. Women select differently from men. The same way a girl with a really nice ass and an ok face might still make you horny. A guy who is average looking but has a lot of money/status will be appealing to a woman for a long term partnering. Which means she will genuinely like the guy, have kids with him, cook and clean for him and take care of his sexual ne…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 09:55 PM
–	Lookmaxxers are right Passport bros think just because you go to a different geographic region, you magically meet better woman. No, those women don’t have options like in the west. This is similar to companies finding cheap labor in foreign countries. This is temporary as the whole world, is becoming westernized. This is completely wrong. Females are not like males. Our sexual selection is binary. You are either hot enough or you're not. Females are more compartmental. If you're not hot enough for casual sex (which …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 09:47 PM
–	Why men aren't as worried about the way they look as women are? Men do obsess to some degree. Especially in Western nations where status and $ tends to be on parallel with women. But to a smaller degree. For a very simple reason. Males: select primarily on physical appearance. Females: Select on a combination of looks, money and status. It simply makes more sense for women to obsess more over their looks. Their entire sexual worth is tied into their looks. Not necessarily the case for a man. It is only a component for us.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/25 07:50 PM
2	I think women are worst in bed then men are That doesn't imply they will all have a high body count. That implies THEY COULD IF THEY WANTED TO. A lot of them don't want to. But you don't need a high body count to have some skill in sex. One partner you have sex with 50 times is more than enough. Who's more likely to struggle finding that one partner a female or a male?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/25 06:48 PM
-1	I think women are worst in bed then men are Well you also have to consider that women can get unlimited practice by just opening their legs. It's not exactly hard for them to find sexual partners. Even if they are not that great looking. That is why ultimately they tend to be more skilled in that regard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/25 06:34 PM
1	It doesn't make sense for some people and society to still expect that men should be the providers in heterosexual relationships That doesn't really disprove what I'm saying. In fact I agree. Status cues are wildly different from place to place. That is why passport broing works so well. You don't need to conform to any status signal. Just being a Westerner is already enough. Just who you are is already enough. I'm not really making any societal level suggestions. Just pointing out a fact. What we do with those facts is up to us and open to interpretation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/25 04:17 PM
1	It doesn't make sense for some people and society to still expect that men should be the providers in heterosexual relationships Sure but it needs to be said that these are just innate natural tendencies. People have this horrendous idea that our sexual appetite is somehow shaped by society. It is to a very small degree. A lot of it is innate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/25 10:54 PM
-2	It doesn't make sense for some people and society to still expect that men should be the providers in heterosexual relationships Its just human nature. Males: Select primarily on physical attractiveness. All other variables are secondary. Females: Select on a combination of money, looks and status. The difference comes from differences in biology. Most notably the fact that females get pregnant, give birth and lactate. You can't erase biology just because you don't like it. The fat women who say that men should be attracted to them because they are funny are going to have about as good of a time of convincing men to like …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/25 10:25 PM
6	Should guys feel bad about being bad boys if women want that of them? If that happens that means their merit outweighs their jackassidness. That can happen. Basically decent bosses are hard to find. Sometimes you'll deal with a jackass if he can otherwise do the job. Because in a lot of cases you'd be trading for an inept boss who is nice. A capable asshole is better than an inept nice guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 11:56 PM
7	Should guys feel bad about being bad boys if women want that of them? A couple of things 1) Most guys can't be bad boys. It's somewhat innate. 2) It is toxic in many different ways. If you want to hold down a job you can't be a giant jackass to everyone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 11:16 PM
–	Women's ostensible attraction to "badboys" may just be misattribution of fear-based arousal Women attraction to bad boys is just their attraction to high status men. That's all it is. In the hood the guys who are the baddest boys typically have the highest status. The bad boys very often have high status in high school and even college to some degree. There's a reason why women stop preferring bad boys the more they mature. Because the more you enter the adult world. The more this type of toxic behavior ends up working against you. Mature adults don't tolerate that bullshit. We put guy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/25 05:55 PM
1	What would your contribution look like to efforts to raise the birthrates ? Make having families and babies #1 priority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 11:38 PM
1	What would your contribution look like to efforts to raise the birthrates ? Still improve their economies :) You always want to do that. No matter what. Fertility can be fixed. Productivity is vital.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 11:27 PM
1	What would your contribution look like to efforts to raise the birthrates ? That is because they have inept unproductive economies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 10:54 PM
2	What would your contribution look like to efforts to raise the birthrates ? Its not linear it grows exponentially with our population. So its only speeding up. The exact opposite is true. The more people we have the better we live. Yes tech will solve "all" of our problems. Not a matter of if but when. It's called Malthusianism. Look it up. That is what you're doing basically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 08:58 PM
0	What would your contribution look like to efforts to raise the birthrates ? Resources may not be quite infinite. But the universe is really really big. If we run out of stuff its not because its not there. Its because our technology is limited. This is important because more people = more technological progress So you actually want MORE people not less if you're worried about resources.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 08:45 PM
-5	What would your contribution look like to efforts to raise the birthrates ? Constant growth is both sustainable and very possible. Remember the limitation is always technology not resources. There is an insane amount of resources on the planet and in the universe. The limiting factor is our ability to extract it. A sharp population drop would be very bad for everyone. I agree that we will solve the fertility issue. One way or another.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 08:37 PM
-7	What would your contribution look like to efforts to raise the birthrates ? The issue is not resources. The resources have never been more plentiful. The issue is contraceptives, abortions and culture (women in the workplace). Im not saying we should make contraceptives and abortions illegal or throw women back into the kitchen. That would be more destructive than the fertility crisis. But the fertility crisis is a real problem. Could have dire consequences if not addressed quickly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 08:19 PM
–	We shouldn't look down on people who goes through surgeries Notice how the way he is holding his jaw is different. the lighting is different. he looks significantly older. The pre picture may well be while he's still going through puberty. It's always such smoke and mirrors. I could take 2 pictures. One where I am purposely sucking my jaw in and another where I am purposely sticking it out. And despite it being 100% the same person. if I do enough lighting changes you won't be able to tell the difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 06:23 PM
–	We shouldn't look down on people who goes through surgeries Show me one example of it making a substantial difference. Usually when you do see major changes it's lighting and angle tricks. The person themselves doesn't really look all that different. And that's assuming it was done right and they didn't mangle your face in the process or nudged some nerve and gave you permanent chronic pain in the area.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 05:52 PM
–	We shouldn't look down on people who goes through surgeries The problem is plastic surgery often yields VERY LITTEL results. Even when it it is done very well. It is often not done very well. And you end up paying $ to look much uglier. Just look at all those fish lip women. They have completely mangled their faces with that disgusting shit. I've seen before and after pictures. At best maybe you're getting a .5 bump. And that is after $1000s of spent. The average person can get way more bang for their buck just by going to the damn gym every day for a ye…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 05:45 PM
-2	The government should create a "partner visa" for people who are dating. Women typically don't date down in socieconomic status unless the guy is very good looking or super talented or something. So if you do find a man who is African and very good looking. Chances are he's not going to want to date some American whale. It just wouldn't work as well due to how males and females sexual instincts operate. Women for the most part don't want immigrant men. Immigrant men don't want ugly American women. It works much better vice versa because females are wired to find men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 05:27 PM
–	The government should create a "partner visa" for people who are dating. According to a 2021 analysis by OnlineDivorce.com, approximately 24.7% of immigrants who come to the U.S. on a marriage-based visa get divorced within 15 years. This rate is lower than the divorce rate for the overall U.S. population, which has been cited between 40% and 50% for American-born couples.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 05:18 PM
2	Women’s Attraction is Complicated, Which is a Good Thing. No offense but I don't think you understand what looks + money + status means. Looks is pretty easy to understand. But the trick is.... different things are attractive to different people. Some women like bears. Some like twinks. Some like athletic guys. Others don't care so much about athleticism. So while it's pretty easy to understand there is a decent amount of variety. Money... easy to understand. But one thing people don't get is that its MONEY RELATIVE TO HER. Which is where a lot of West…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 07:29 PM
1	Women’s Attraction is Complicated, Which is a Good Thing. A nerd Chad would be a guy with an attractive face who gets into nerdy shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 07:24 PM
1	Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes. Innately women are less likely to be like that. Because effective contraceptive is a fairly recent invention. You couldn't just sleep with a bunch of men and treat them all like shit. One of them will surely be your baby daddy very soon. You'd be setting yourself up for single motherhood that way. But yeah obviously dirty cunts exist as well. Never claimed otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 11:54 AM
5	Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes. I never said that it's a dichotomy. In my experience the biggest womanizers are also the biggest assholes to women. But that doesn't mean that every good looking man is a womanizer. I've known plenty of "Chads" who just had one girlfriend and didn't sleep around and treated them perfectly fine. And yes obviously you can demand self respect without being an asshole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 11:51 AM
6	Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes. No I mean treating them like shit. Cheating on them. Ignoring them. Disrespecting them. That sort of thing. Not just having a spine. Being a jackass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 03:38 AM
4	Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes. Yes but the vast majority of people are not outliers. So you can't really make judgement calls on that. What works for him will not work for 10,000 other dudes. So you're generalizing about a situation that only happens 1/10,000 times while ignoring the other 9,999. (pulled the numbers out of my ass, just giving you an example of why outliers are unreliable)	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 02:46 AM
0	Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes. You shouldn't really base your ideas on how people treat major outliers. Jack Doherty is a very popular social media influencer. That is why he can get women. Whether he's an asshole or super nice. Is rather irrelevant. Women are attracted to Looks+Money+Status. He doesn't seem like much of a looker. It's his money/status that attracts women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 02:40 AM
21	Most women dont desire assholes as boyfriends. Most people dont even want to be friends with assholes. The guys that treat their women like shit often have a lot of women. Not because they treat them like shit. But because women have made it easy for them to treat them like shit. Let's take a guy who is naturally charming, athletic and good looking. He has women throwing themselves at him all day long. When he gets with a woman. He doesn't have to coddle her. He doesn't have to treat her right. She is expendable. He can get another one the same day. This is not true for the vast majority of men. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 02:37 AM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Loving your own children the most doesn’t mean that you can’t care about other children in your community dude. Yes but we invest the most time and effort into OUR children by very far. Yes there is a level of care but the extent is very different. We are not capable of caring so deeply for a large number of children who are not related to us (at least most of us). Yes we are communal creatures. But this idea that our children didn't have a primary mother and father until recent times is totally…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 10:28 PM
2	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure That is total nonsense. If our children were thrown into some communal pit by default. Parents would not develop these overwhelming attachments towards their own biologic children. Especially the males. There many males in many other species that have 0 attachment to their children and do not help raise them in any way. The idea that our ancestors didnt have a mother and a father is ridiculous nonsense. We are a pair bonding species. Like many other species that pair bond. We pair bond to raise …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 10:15 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Because they only get attached if they are pair bonded. If they don't give a shit about the woman they dont give a shit about the child. He'll still help hunt, share, gather whatever. He just wont be a father. Or chances are he may even be from another tribe. Its not like they never intermingled. Yes some tribes prevented their women from having sex with anyone but them. But most did not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 10:02 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Anti vaxers are convinced vaccines are bad. Flat earthers think that NASA is a scam. Nothing new there. Dumbasses are going to dumbass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 10:00 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure The point is. A human male is naturally going to be more opportunistic with sex. Because they don't get pregnant. Consider some male going from tribe to tribe travelling. Let's say he is attractive. He can fuck 30 women on his way from point A to point B. Not invest any time beyond that. If 10 of them have children and 5 of them survive to adulthood. He just produced 5 adults in one trip. A female can't do that. She gets pregnant once and she's stuck with that kid. That is why males are NATURALL…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:58 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure If that was the case men would not have parental instincts. They would not get fanatically emotionally attached to their children. There would be no reason to have this instinct. But we do. Because we are a pair bonding species. We raise children in a pair bonded couple. Yes of course the rest of the tribe helps. But the primary caregivers are the parents. So when I say "take care of some baby" I mean be a proper parent. Not just one of the guys who brings meat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:49 PM
0	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure What I meant was that more guys paired up in the past than now. People dated their looksmatch statusmatch. Where's today a lot of people are alone because they are constantly trying to bat out of their league. Men have always had a dual mating strategy 1) fuck fuck fuck peace out 2) Invest in one The Chads of this world typically go through a 1 1 1 1 11 2 1 1 1 11 1 2 progression. Where they fuck a bunch of women but eventually settle down. Most men would love to do that but in reality they only…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:43 PM
3	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure I don't necessarily think that is the issue. We live in a very unnatural world to us. People spend all day on social media, playing video games, scrolling on their phones. We used to spend all that time around other humans. That is the real problem. People have out of the world standards for mates because they don't socialize. I do agree that monogamy is good and this whole sexual liberation thing has caused a lot of problems as well. But it's a minor bug. The real problem is secluded lifestyles…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:12 PM
2	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Children still had primary care givers. Who were usually their biological parents. He would still go out there and hunt and shit. Maybe even go to war with enemy tribes. But he wouldn't help raise the child the same way a father would. The tribe helped raise children. But so do our modern tribes. We have things like daycare pre-k k-12 school summer camps baby sitters etc. It's all the same shit. But those people are not their primary care givers. They are just assisting. Being a father and just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:04 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Not very likely. Getting discarded by your tribe was akin to a death sentence. I seriously doubt they effectively executed guys for not wanting to take care of some woman's baby. Who claims it is yours but you have no way of knowing if that is even true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:00 PM
4	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Okay and do you think in this supposed wild all males are paired up and/or have access to sex? Much higher proportions than now. But there have always been losers that nobody wants. The way to solve this issue (if it is indeed an issue) would be to raise the stakes. In an environment where men and women are dating for marriage men will have to be more picky, because dating will be more costly for them (they’ll need to provide, be committed etc…) and women will have less options sure but they wil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 07:55 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure The tribes were bigger than that. 50-150 individuals. And no they are not going to discard someone just because he doesn't believe the child is his. What do you think they would force him to be with her? We don't even do that... Why would they? These were patriarchal societies by in large. Due to the fact that men have larger muscles and might is right in the animal kingdom. So more than likely the real response would be "why the fuck were you fucking a guy who has 0 commitment to you? Thats you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 07:07 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure I have a different theory. In the 1990s people were still social creatures. By 2025 a large % of the population are hermits. Or they exist in their tiny social circles. What happens is that if you don't socialize enough. Your standards for a mate are blown way out of proportion. You will want to date people who are way better looking than you. This is particularly bad for women because a lot of Chads will gladly throw some dick your way. But will likely not commit to you. It distorts their self …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 06:51 PM
4	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure What do you mean? You think they would kick a man out if a woman accused him of getting her pregnant and he said "nah fuck that, that ain't my baby". Maybe sometimes but I doubt that was the norm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 06:47 PM
-1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Men pride themselves in being “less picky” as if that’s not actually part of the problem. Yeah but thats just innate. Males don't get pregnant. Of course we'll be less picky. In the wild you can just dump the woman and let her deal with the baby. Ain't no child support where we evolved from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 06:33 PM
2	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Your value is tied to your ability to attract a quality partner. That is not something society made up. It's instinctual. This is how our ancestors shaped society for 1000s of years. You don't just erase millions of years of evolution (which predates humans) because tik tok told you otherwise. Why is your value tied to your ability to attract a quality partner? Well think about in the animal world. Survival is of the paramount importance. If you can't survive you are dead meat. If you don't repr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 06:29 PM