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| 1 | Should child support be illegal?My man. The $3500 a month is for a guy making $500k a year. It's all based on income and the costs of raising a child. For the people who make less per month, their obligation is less. We've strayed so far from the original point of my response. I'm signing off of this thread. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?Look below that highlighted section. It says "California does not use the percentage of income method to calculate child support." And the 25% used in that hypothetical was just an example. Just to the left of the example you looked it, it describes the income shares method which California does use. "Under the income share model, the court uses economic tables to estimate the total monthly cost of raising the children. The non-custodial parent pays a percentage of the calculated cost that is ba… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 05:59 PM |
| 2 | Should child support be illegal?I just ran that scenario through a child support calculator for California, assuming 500k annual income, 20% physical custody, and $0 income for the mom. Monthly child support obligation is $3,556. That's a $42,672 annual award, which is less than 10% of AGI. That is nowhere near unreasonable. It seems California has a formula that calculates child support (like most states). I can't find authority for a 25% child support obligation anywhere. The wealthy dad who is trying to skimp on child suppo… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 04:19 PM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?Tough look to say that not aborting the child punishes the child. "If I really wanted to not punish you I would have killed you." I think the abortion should, at a minimum, be rare. I wish there were more messaging about having less casual sex to prevent abortion, and wouldn't be offended by that messaging at all. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?Your point was that it would be easy to reverse later on if he wants kids. Whats the point of doing an easy procedure if it still doesn't let him have kids? | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 02:02 PM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?That it's not necessarily easy to reverse. Same point I made above. You shouldn't get a vasectomy with the expectation you'll be able to conceive later in life | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 01:49 PM |
| 3 | Should child support be illegal?I don't agree that a father who makes significant income should only be held to the same "support" lower incomel families use to care for a child. The amount of money "necessary" to care for a child varies significantly based on circumstances. Schools, extracurriculars, etc. General life opportunities. Caring for a child is more than 3 square meals and a roof. It means giving the child every opportunity to be the best version of themselves that they can be. If the kids lived with him, they would… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 05:23 AM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?"Depending on how many years have passed since your vasectomy, your success rates are 60% to 95% for return of sperm in your ejaculate. Pregnancy is possible more than 50% of the time after a reversal. However, success rates start to decline 15 years after a vasectomy." https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/15459-vasectomy-reversal | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 05:09 AM |
| 3 | Should child support be illegal?I'm an attorney, but no, not a judge. In BFI, Inc. v. Kelco Disposal, Inc., 492 U.S. 257 (1989), SCOTUS held that the excessive fines clause did not apply to punitive damages awards between private parties (which is exactly the "monetary fine associates with a judgment" you reference above). Punitive damages are those intended to punish someone for wrongdoing, not just make the other party whole. The case is stronger that child support--an award designed to help care for a child--would not be su… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 04:59 AM |
| 3 | Should child support be illegal?I'm not being aggressive and I'm definitely not emotional about this. I'm just telling you what the law is. Your beliefs are irrelevant when the law directly contradicts what you are saying. I get annoyed when people say something is "unconstitutional" without having any developed reason for that belief. Child support is not a fine, and it's not prohibited by the 8th amendment. If you show me a single case supporting your position I'll certainly apologize for completely dismissing your suggestio… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/23 04:14 AM |
| 3 | Should child support be illegal?Ok. Your beliefs are inaccurate and are untethered to the purpose and nature of child support. But I'm arguing against a brick wall so I'm done. Good luck overhauling the system. Please keep us posted on any legal arguments you make re: the 8th Amendment's applicability to child support. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 10:37 PM |
| 6 | Should child support be illegal?A bench warrant for failing to appear at a hearing is not the same thing as being jailed for not paying child support. Jailing for failure to pay debts in general is a bad thing (except in willful situations). I sat through some debt collection proceedings a few weeks ago and was grossed out by the number of bench warrants that were issued to people who took out predatory loans. But OP was attempting to say that in general, large child support orders are an 8th Amendment violation. That is categ… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?OK, just looked into that. For one, it appears that child support obligation is the result of a settlement. He agreed to it He's got 4 kids with Kim. Child support is not for the "reasonable" costs to raise a child, it also accounts for the child's standard of living. Whatever the amount is, he agreed to it. I'm not going to comment on the reasonableness of the obligation---it seems excessive---other than to say that's what they worked out. Even so, the 8th amendment has no application here, whi… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 09:36 PM |
| 3 | Should child support be illegal?That's a fair rebuttal. Do you live somewhere where the system financially rewards mothers by denying the father access to a child where there's no history of violence? Modern child custody laws are designed in the best interest of the child, and that's generally been acknowledged to include open involvement by both parents. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Should child support be illegal?It's not a fine. Put aside that you don't give a concrete example, child support guidelines calculate a child's needs and the parents' respective abilities to pay, also considering in kind services. It's also usually capped at a percentage of your net income A fine is something you pay as a penalty for doing something wrong. Child support is something you pay out of responsibility. The amount you pay for a speeding ticket is a fine. The amount you pay on your car note is not | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 07:44 PM |
| 0 | Should child support be illegal?Sure, I agree with that. Just responding to you saying it is "very easy" to reverse in the future. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 07:06 PM |
| -15 | Should child support be illegal?What a well-reasoned rebuttal | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 05:35 PM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?You should know that reversing a vasectomy is not necessarily easy and is never a guarantee. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 04:56 PM |
| -1 | Should child support be illegal?Shared custody is the default in most, if not all, states. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 04:55 PM |
| 2 | Should child support be illegal?Unless you are raped (don't get me wrong, it happens), you did have a choice. You chose to engage in a behavior that could result in the birth of a child. You also chose to have sex with a woman without knowing what her choice on the matter would be. She just gets another choice. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 04:54 PM |
| 6 | Should child support be illegal?The problem with allowing men to have a financial abortion is that it punishes the kid. Sometimes, life ain't fair. No way around it. If you want to be sure you're not having a child, don't have sex. Or if you want to be sure you never have a child, get a vasectomy. If you make a dumb decision to check your phone while driving, you could make a life-altering mistake. Same with drunk driving. Same with any number of decisions we make on a daily basis. Sometimes, natural differences between men an… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 04:53 PM |
| 2 | Should child support be illegal?This is a take. Which part of the 8th Amendment do you think child support violates? Bail? no Fines? no Cruel and unusual punishment...? lol | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 04:44 PM |
| -29 | Should child support be illegal?The fact that the system rewards mothers financially by denying the father's access to the child is criminal. Fathers are only denied access to the child if they are bad fathers. There is a presumption of shared custody in most states. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Should child support be illegal?I used to have a similar mindset (not that it should be illegal, but that it's unfair). My thoughts have changed. Our society has deviated as far as possible from personal responsibility with respect to sex and I think we need to push back the other direction. If men are afraid of having a child, or don't trust a particular woman to not fish a condom out of the trash in an attempt to impregnate herself, they shouldn't have sex (or have sex with that particular woman). It's not complicated. Yes, … | /r/MensRights | 31/01/23 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Paying off my child supportYour debt is probably not with the child's mom but with the state. They collect child support arrearages. This is definitely something you should tackle with an attorney, particularly if she hasn't paid over the last decade. | /r/MensRights | 29/11/22 06:41 PM |
| 6 | $ Bailout Denied $And isn't she better off not wasting time getting a drink with you? This kind of sentiment is exactly why women would want to be up front about their kids | /r/PussyPassDenied | 25/08/19 05:14 PM |
| 3 | $ Bailout Denied $Or, and hear me out, they just want to be up front. Not every single mother is looking for a handout. Three kids take up an enormous amount of time. Why waste the precious little free time they have on someone who wouldn't be interested? | /r/PussyPassDenied | 25/08/19 05:11 PM |
| 1 | touching the toilet seat is flippin' gross.I have always thought lid down is the greatest compromise. Plus, it prevents splashing when you flush | /r/PussyPassDenied | 09/07/19 12:02 AM |
| 2 | A second UNC student gets triggered by pro-life demonstrators, so she steals their sign. She tries to cry her way out, but is arrested and handcuffed.This is rational. She fucked up, but I know I also fucked up in college in different ways. She's learned a lesson for sure | /r/PussyPassDenied | 16/05/19 07:02 PM |
| 10 | Lie about rape . . . GET 10 YEARSI think that's a dangerous mindset to perpetuate. I would think sexual predators would be interested in going after those with self esteem issues who are more easily manipulated because of a yearning for affection. The obese fit this mold. Fuck this woman for lying about rape, but I'm sure plenty of rape victims are overweight | /r/PussyPassDenied | 29/03/19 03:28 PM |
| 9 | Unbelievable! Man is wrongly convicted of rape, finally wins an appeal, released after 27 years, awarded $8m compensation. Even though he's been conclusively proven innocent, rape victims group sues him - twice - trying to steal his money.Double Jeopardy only bars a subsequent criminal proceeding arising out of the same facts. He could not be tried again for the rape by the government (at least, in the us. I don't know anything about Canada) | /r/MensRights | 07/11/17 12:27 PM |
| 1 | What’s Wrong With “After-Birth Abortion”.... and do men's votes count when it's no longer HER body?Sounds comparable to calling the murder of a developmentally disabled adult euthenasia | /r/MensRights | 21/09/17 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Liberals panic as they realize campus kangaroo courts are turning into a Southern Reenactment of witch-hunts against black men accused of rape by white women.That doesn't help anyone, and I think it's a dangerous thing to even suggest online. False accusations should be discouraged and punished, regardless of who the accuser is | /r/MensRights | 21/09/17 05:35 PM |
| 1 | If both parties were drunk, how can only one be accused of rape?I agree. I will say, if a woman isnt lubricated, it's hard to imagine forceful penetration wouldn't wake her up. But I don't think a blanket statement about her being on top can't be rape is appropriate | /r/MensRights | 21/09/17 12:24 PM |
| 1 | If both parties were drunk, how can only one be accused of rape?So, I have a history of sleep walking. I have on several occasions initiated sex while asleep (with significant others, they were completely ok board) only to "come to" mid thrust. They never knew I was asleep at first, just thought it was middle of the night friskiness. But I don't think I could later say they should have known I wasn't aware that I was starting it. | /r/MensRights | 21/09/17 12:15 PM |
| 1 | I would love to see the reversed version of thisI know this is an old response and you're the only one that will see it. But criminal cases are always "state v. [Defendant]." The victim never needs to "press charges" because the district attorney represents the people of the state. They are the ones who will be wronged next time. It's just that practically speaking, it's often hard to prosecute if the victim doesn't want to be involved. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/17 01:41 AM |
| 1 | Fake Homeless Woman ExposedYour assessment of a homeless veteran's outlook is incredible. Mental illness is very real, and our country's current systems are drastically underserving those afflicted. PTSD and depression, among other things, can be crippling. We can agree to disagree, but I'd much rather err on the side of wasting a few dollars which could help someone eat their only meal for the day than smugly think to myself that they deserve every bit of misfortune that comes their way. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 23/05/17 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Fake Homeless Woman ExposedMost people that tell homeless people that they "don't have any cash" or just ignore them aren't turning around and giving money to charitable organizations. You may be, and I'm certainly not making any assumptions about that, but you can do both. My wife and I make contributions to various organizations, but we also give a couple bucks to people who are clearly in need. I don't see any reason you can't do both. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 23/05/17 03:42 PM |
| 26 | Fake Homeless Woman ExposedThis is a terrible mindset imo. Not all homeless people can get a job. Many are disabled without healthcare or a support system. Many became that way while fighting for your right to say such incredibly ignorant things. Even the able bodied have to be able to get a job. Will you hire the guy who came in filthy and wearing ragged clothes? Many people need help. What do you have to lose by giving them $2? | /r/PussyPassDenied | 22/05/17 09:07 PM |
| 6 | Fake Homeless Woman ExposedNot saying there aren't frauds out there, but there are absolutely people with real needs too. I give a couple bucks to folks when asked if I have cash and let them answer to what they use it for. I've stopped worrying about it. I don't do it to feel good, I do it because I want to help down and out people where I can. If I get swindled, that's between them and God. I would not have given to this woman though. She doesn't even kind of look like she's in need | /r/PussyPassDenied | 22/05/17 09:02 PM |
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