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I don't view men who work at home with a desk based role as *unmasculine*, but I do find there something masculine and potentially masculine about a man who does. It's not off-putting when he wfh is what i'm saying. I used to see a man who was very much a pretty boy, but he was a tradesman and I found that combination really attractive. He was thinking about a career change which would have made his work more like yours and I didn't ever have a "wait that would be less hot" moment. Some men who …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:19 PM
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The reason is it doesn't fit your worldview, and therefore cannot be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:05 PM
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Yes and I'm saying that emotionally self harming via the internet is something which needs to be addressed by the pill community. There will be people doing what you saying whatever it is you're doing. Many years ago I was involved in student feminist activists and we had a few men go out of their way to "troll us" (messaging us as individuals to make angry rants). My point is that behind the trolls there will always also be another person, that like the person you describe, needs empathy too. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:37 PM
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Being single by choice and single by necessity are very different. I think we confuse these up, after all the boilerplate insults for single women is "has a cat, wine, TV and knitting" and I've never met a woman who thought that was the *worst* she could do with. Whether or not having no attractive options counts as being single by choice is interesting, it certainly shows that there is a massive grey area between the two. I've had periods where the only interest was from people who there was si…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 11:28 AM
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it's a debate sub, one which has done a good job at widening its net in recent years and become a better place for it. Whilst I don't think it's nice to be a Looky Lou, it also doesn't do those young men any good to act as though the internet, and a debate sub at that, is a safe place from teasing. Teasing can be really horrid, I am absolutely not detracting from that, but if vague teasing from strangers is as pearl clutching as you say then maybe there needs to be a softer place designed for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 11:21 AM
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There would be nothing deep down about how this would bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 04:32 PM
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There is more than one woman in the world. Women are not a monolith, we do not all agree with one another and we are not obliged to be consistent as an entire gender, same as men do not have to do this. Statistics are not beyond being debated, refuted etc. there is a LOT of bad science posted on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 01:18 PM
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No but you cannot expect women to be attracted to someone either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:26 PM
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Having a degree doesn't mean I need to ask men out? What do they have to do with each other at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:48 AM
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I've never in real life heard a woman say that splitting the bill is a dealbreaker. Maybe this is more the case in America. Realistically if you want a woman who is less into gender norms you'd be better off dating feminists, but that's not a conversation that the average purple pillar is ready for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:33 PM
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> Did sports as a kid Is there a specific reason for this? I understand wanting to share something like sports, but I haven't heard of needing to share a childhood experience as a preference before > Simmilar level of intelligence Stultosexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:42 PM
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I don't feel like you've really read what I've said at all. Yes, I would date someone with a micro penis, if they were a good shag and I wasn't having to be their therapist about it. Realistically that would be a major turn off. People don't need a penis to be good at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:40 AM
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The word "very" makes a massive difference here. Small penis is a size which is within the "regular and normal" range, just at one end. Very small is more akin to a micropenis which is more a medical condition. When people say size doesn't matter I believe the meaning is more saying that bigger isn't better. The right fit, application, angle, chemistry etc. I also date women, so a lot of the best sex I've had there was no penis at all. I'd absolutely be willing, able and enthusiastic about datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:57 PM
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Absolutely wrong. I don't think anyone chooses lesbianism because they can't get a man, that's a crazy stereotype. There's plenty that are true about wlw but not that one at all. Ditto being single. Redpill loves talking about red wine, knitting and a cat as what happens to spinsters but that sounds like a dream to many. And as you say, a lot of women can get sex, if not commitment from good looking men if they need it. There's a lot of problems women face in dating, but redpill men always telli…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:50 PM
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She's 23. If you want to have a partner who is making big money then do so. When I was 23 I would definitely have been seen as a slacker by your type, but doesn't mean I wasn't up to stuff. If you want a woman who has a big career and is ready to pop babies then date that women. But don't portray it as your girlfriend being deficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:36 PM
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Worthy isn't the word I'd use. There's not many men I'm interested in. Staying single or dating women are perfectly satisfactory options for many women. There's plenty of women who are sad that they can't find a boyfriend. Plenty women like or prefer average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:33 PM
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Need to take some stuff back to basics, as I've been out of dating for quite a while as I did some much needed work and focus on myself. I think I'd like to dip back into dating at some point soon, and whilst I feel confident in my ability to meet potential partners and initiate conversation, I feel like I need to learn how to put out the vibe that I am looking to date. I'm trying to get better at eye contact and all of that, but I'm interested to know what sort of signals people notice other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:00 PM
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You can't be baby trapped if you would happily slip it in with no protection if she'd allow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:56 PM
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I don't want to be in a relationship with anyone whose never been in one. Your first relationship is a learning curve and I don't feel the desire to do that again. I'm in my 30s and comfortably single, so it would feel like a regression. Sadly it's also just somewhat unattractive to me. I'm bisexual and this applies to women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:15 PM
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I do in real life. You're conflating online and real life. You're red pill though, so maybe women just don't want to around you because you'd use it against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:45 AM
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If most are then society has determined that what makes someone a"white or a jezebel" in too broad terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 05:54 PM
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I would hardly call myself pro-man, but I do believe there is a large swathe of men who exist between psychopathic plate spinner and devious coward.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 11:02 PM
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Good grooming, the right fit of the clothes, a pleasant smell and charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 08:52 PM
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she heard from him that i didn't like her controlling shitty behavior So sounds like you were doing the exact thing you're complaining about first, now come here to get some little asspats.
/r/MensRights15/02/25 11:47 AM
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No. We're not carrying out some sort of transaction. The fun is in the implication, the build up, escalation etc. I don't fuck on every first night, it's not a pre arranged activity in that way. I would also just find it sleazy and unnecessarily forward. I live in the UK and its just not the vibe here to be that direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:58 PM
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Live with parents, Any noticeable physical issue, Not masculine enough, Taller than him in heels, Has kids, Unkept, Doesn’t have a career, Not enough intellect, Not fit enough, One weird pic she found, Conflicting religious or political, No friends, Walks funny, Not her “type”, Doesn’t like your voice, Etc… Yep, a few of those are definitely dealbreakers for me. That's not a personality flaw; the fact that possibly contributes in some abstract way towards the dating struggles of hypothetical men…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:20 PM
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It's never been an issue in any of my relationships one way or the other. If a guy did that I would just split. But as I said, not a common sentiment around here. That's more the attitude in the middle East and America imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 07:51 PM
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If you're predominantly friends with women, but women don't like it when you fancy them, doesn't that mean you don't have any friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 07:49 PM
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When women choose to be single they are absolutely ridiculed by the men's rights movement as sad old cat ladies. Perhaps your movement ought to show more support for women who do not financially rely on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:21 PM
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Women don't have that right. They have the right to not be pregnant, same as anyone does. That a cisgender man couldn't become pregnant does not mean that right exists less for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:20 PM
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It simply does not map onto my experiences, the experiences of my peers or the cultural context we are in. I live in an urban area of the UK fwiw. I would say here the ideal is someone who is financially solvent, slim and tall rather than muscular looks and who has cultural interests. In terms of personality I think men with good chat do well because humour is a form of intimacy here. "Never a Tory" is also very popular when it comes to dating, with a lot of women my age refusing to ever partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:14 PM
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I don't like men with sports cars or that kind of wank. Or those cars where they go on meets and the like. Just boring, and to me, a waste of money. Someone having a car can be sort of useful but it's not arousing or some shit
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:18 AM
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Yes, different women have different experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:16 AM
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Literally never heard a feminist say kill all men. Maybe it's written online but all kinds of shit are said online, I don't blame men in general for what some say online. Seems like you're on tiktok a lot or just making stuff up to be annoyed by.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:15 AM
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It depends what objective facts you mean. If you mean finding what's considered attractive and using that to change your looks to what a larger amount of people will find attractive, then yes. If we are looking for a truth about romance and attraction in terms of what they mean then you would need to accept that the question is literally subjective - it's about the subject I.e ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:36 PM
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Beauty objectivity shows that what we as humans find attractive isn't totally random, but the engine of that preference is the self. Creating quantitative data of different peoples subjective beliefs and finding some patterns doesn't mean it's objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:04 PM
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I honestly think your entire point shows a lack of curiosity about women. You don't know about women's inner lives, you presume a shallowness based on stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:00 PM
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Is this based on anything you experience irl? Personally I'd know nothing of this were it not for talking online to strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:55 PM
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Your statistics are all about who administratively initiated the divorce; this assumes that the one who initiated the divorce is the one who decided to end the relationship. After you made that assumption you felt perhaps it shows some sort of character flaw within women, and sought women's opinions of whether we would be able to criticise women when they've done wrong. I don't believe divorce is a character failing, but I also don't believe that you've understood what the data is, and isn't, te…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:57 PM
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Absolutely agree. A public proposal would be my worst nightmare. I really don't see the appeal. Just people wanting to feel like a celebrity perhaps. Romance requires intimacy imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:51 PM
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I don't think grand proposals are a universal thing at all, it seems particularly American imo. The grandest proposal I know of was a pre planned walk and knee drop, when it was just the two of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:41 PM
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I don't think they're overlooked. On the contrary there's a lot of coverage and policies regarding all of what you've said. All of the women's issues you have mentioned have been regularly attacked and belittled as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 01:44 AM
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Then your reading comprehension seems a little off; I did not lecture any man. Besides this is a debate sub, if women participating in the conversation upsets you you can log off.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:13 PM
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So he takes his worldview to another part of the world? Someone who would emigrate for such a reason seems like someone who would themselves treat their partner as expendable tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:57 PM
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Tiktok, fast fashion and not taking initiative for their own lives. I don't ever see men on here actually accepting that men are ever wrong though. Any criticism of men is deflected back to "criticise women!!!". All their dating woes are blamed on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 12:13 PM
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No. I will have sex when I want, with whom I want (who wants me obviously). The handwringing of others isn't my problem or concern. If me getting a shag or two decays the fabric of society, then let it rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 12:08 PM
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The US just seems like a hot mess socially. I'm sure some of what you say is true, but I question whether you'd be capable of seeing how men receive equivalent treatment. Your dating culture does seem quite horrible for everyone. That's my issue with passport bros; just stay in your own country and stop infecting the rest of the world with this drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 12:06 PM
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I agree that there's a lot of different types of intelligence. I personally find the term "sapiosexual" incredibly cringe (and I am not easily cringed out). Sure some trauma can be avoided with wisdom, but much of it isn't e.g. childhood abuse. Childhood abuse can create trauma which then diminishes someone's ability to form boundaries. That's not to say that preferring a partner that doesn't have that is wrong, but I wouldn't say it's a question of intelligence in that regard. Some of the most …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 12:03 PM
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OP is a man. Yes I know the men here refuse to believe that a woman could have anything to say on this topic. If I was struggling in that way I'd be keen to hear what anyone had to say, even if i concluded that I disagreed with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:56 AM
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That's just what dating apps are like. Men have similar profiles. There's even a crazy amount of profiles like that from queer people. It's why OLD sucks; playing a time consuming game without a prize worth fighting for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:12 AM
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Not at all. Dick is abundant, a boring hot man is sparkless (to me). However there's a lot of proudly boring women who'd love a boring hot man provided he's not a slob.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:09 AM
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A lot of men on here are self described ugly, clearly hate women, have poor reasoning skills and don't seem to have much going on in their lives. Clearly there's a lot they could do, but a man being told that is considered a hate crime by them. It makes no logical sense. If you're upset youre not getting sex and relationships than you need to do something different. Why do women need to change to give you what you want? Wisdom is accepting what you can't change, and changing what you can't accep…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:05 AM
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A man gives men advice, and it's somehow women's fault. You can't give advice to someone on what other people should do? We are the masters of our own lives only. I don't agree with everything OP wrote, but the sheer rage that the red pillars are feeling on this one shows he's hit some kind of nerve. It's almost like the red pill doesn't want men to sort their shit out or get a girlfriend. Like OLD. Benefits you for the people who turn to you to help them find a partner to remain single and depe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:58 AM
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As opposed to what, being used like that by an unattractive man? Why do ugly men insist that they have the better personalities anyway. Gotta love how women claim to place such a high value on men's personalites lmao Yeah women aren't a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:42 AM
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The Victorians were super Christian but also had child whores on the streets. Religion and patriarchy don't protect women (or children). I think religion can be a force for good but not like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:55 PM
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That's crazy to me. Nurse is an amazing job. Working for the NHS is quite well regarded here. My ex (whose one of my closest friends) became a nurse and we are all so damn proud of him. He's poly with a long term partner and tons of people on the casual. Maybe, for better or worse, you just don't seem the type. You have quite gender essentialist views so is it surprising that the women you're trying to date also do?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:53 PM
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Not necessarily wrong, but this is dangerous advice for a lot of men to follow. Contrived indifference stands out so much. For me it's a turn off; I like guys who are a bit cool for school but if they don't have an adoring side then it's not interesting to me. Think better advice is; don't put all your stock in someone you just met, keep yourself busy with things that interest you, broaden your horizons as much as possible. This will mean you will be too cool for school, rather than just pretend…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:50 PM
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Tell that to yourself when you cited Oprah Winfrey.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:46 PM
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If you think it might be adhd I can't emphasise enough how much getting diagnosed can change things. I used to really struggle with food, now I realise it's a combination of hyperactivity and dopamine seeking. Getting medicated means I have a base level of dopamine that i don't need to get from food. I'd already lost some weight before I was medicated, it's certainly not the only thing you have to change. The cycle of dieting and then relapsing isn't working for you, so try something different. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:44 PM
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Yeah obviously we're only about guys we are attracted to because that's who we are dating. It's not a phrase I or my friends tend to use but when I've seen it it tends to be about stuff like basic hygiene and personal admin. I don't have a view one way or the other about how this relates to men I'm not attracted to because I'm not dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:37 PM
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I'd rather that than be with some woman hating average guy whose just with me for le vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:22 PM
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Vile seems a little hysterical, I don't think you seem capable of perceiving the pressures women experience so you assume they don't face any. You had a break up and felt like you gave more of a shit than she did? Or is it just that you desperately want the company of women and their indifference to you feels like indifference to all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:21 PM
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Don't you have a president who brags about fondling vagina? Feel like American media has a lot the sort of anti woman, pro man content you describe, and from before Oprah Winfrey.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:19 AM
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I'm all for it, I love to hear men whinging about this shit. I come here purely for the schadenfreude. More please!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:16 AM
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Sounds like average men should leave women alone then.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:15 AM
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You've completely pulled those statistics out of your arse though?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:11 AM
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I disagree that men care about women more than vice versa. Men are indifferent to the majority of men and women, that's just how being strangers on the same planet is. It's not normal to find other people living their lives not thinking about you so vile.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:07 AM
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I've tried it, it was ok but I find it quite boring. Irl connections still exist. OLD didn't take away your ability to get involved in a community, to ask your friends to matchmake etc. But if you're putting your energy into OLD, then you're reducing the time and energy you have to developing irl connections. I think OLD is similar to social media, video games and pornography; all fine in principle, but if you spend too much time on any of these it rots the brain a bit. For me it's easy enough t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:25 PM
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A strange man killing himself because he isn't getting sex and relationships is sad. It isn't women's responsibility as a gender to solve though. Alleviating that pain isn't in my gift. In comments you've branched into women not considering how to be good partners which is entirely irrelevant to your point surely about how women feel about men in general. What do you actually want from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:19 PM
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You've conflated advice for the individual with advice for men as a collective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:13 PM
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Again, not what I'm saying. I'm saying assured that this person and this relationship is what we want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:37 PM
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No, that's not what I mean. I don't mean it in a euphoric sense, but an assured sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 08:13 PM
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I'm picky because why wouldn't I be. You're allowed to be picky about your home, career, time etc. So a partner seems like something to be particularly picky about. I appreciate not everyone has the luxury to be picky about any/all of those things. I want to be with someone I'm "fuck yeah" about and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:36 PM
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Same as any other guest, regarding breakfast specifically. Cooking a massive breakfast for someone instead of just getting up to do it together, yeah maybe not the grandest of gestures, but as I said, that's not my personal preference. Getting up and cooking one together sounds way more fun to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:05 PM
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Clearly it's not treating them the same, since he'd have slept in my room, had sex with me and seen me naked? Women not having some secret sex breakfast menu seems like an odd thing to be able to reduce a man's pride. Sounds more like the pride was already damaged. Maybe this is a cultural difference, I'm not American, but I'm not really into grand gestures. I'd prefer we together make breakfast or whatever, than one person doing all the work to treat the other. Just feels more fun, romantic and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:47 PM
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I'm not excusing bad behaviour in women, I just think that anyone picking on a 19 year old when they are however old Tate is should be getting the brunt of the criticism. I criticised Thunberg. Seems that it's men here who are refusing to condemn bad behaviour from men. Women can also get sent to war or prison at those ages. Feels like a massively irrelevant thing to bring up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:30 PM
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I don't think you're wrong for feeling like this, but I think you'll get better results if you're able to be specific about why you want your partner to feel masculine, and why you think that your behaviour will shape that? Do you have a previous relationship that failed because of this? Or a desire to feel more feminine? Generally I don't think you need to do much more than be feminine yourself and allow those traits to collide in a natural way. When it comes to leading within a relationship, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:33 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:24 PM
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What a strange post. You'd kill yourself if you had any pride in your accomplishments if you were a woman who only went to a quite good uni? The answer is simple. Different people define success in different ways. If someone feels like they're a success in life with a metric that isn't my own, I'm not embarrassed for them. In fact I'd barely take note other than a mild "good for them" perhaps. This post has honestly made me understand neurotic people much more. Must be hard to not fear the vicio…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:20 PM
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So the posts that cite her being a feminist are from 5 years ago and that tweet was two years ago. Not the best retort but what a fucking weird message Andrew tate sent a 19 year old. But I agree he doesn't have small dick energy, he's just fucking offal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:30 AM
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As a non American, it does seem like the this is the beginning of the end for the US as the biggest global power. It'll be a slowish decline but not the slowest. It's a shame that Americans still don't have universal access to good quality healthcare and declining standards of living. If there's angry young American men it should surely be deep down due to economic reasons. I feel sorry for any of them that voted for Trump because he's so obviously not got a clue on how to navigate the US throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 11:23 PM
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It depends on whose house it is? If it's mine I'd offer some coffee and toast, same as any other guest. If it was his I'd let him set the agenda in that regard. I'm not going to feed someone in their own home?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 11:16 PM
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Your examples beyond your own personal experience are just American television and tiktok. I assure you that in the vast majority of the world, most people, men or women, would feel safer with a strange woman than man on the street. I'm sorry you've had those experiences, and I'm glad you've been able to find a relationship where you're safe and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 11:14 PM
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There are different type of feminisms, with very different aims and views. TERFS, liberals and right wing feminists do not share anything with my own feminism. I can't make a meaningful apology for the actions of others. I don't think anyone has ever used the term vulva diversity before, are you quoting yourself? I agree that shaming anyone's genitalia is inappropriate and harmful. But I just think there's a lot of posts with this type "aha!" logic as though women are a hive mind, and you're poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 11:11 PM
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By this theory neurodivergence and genetic mental illness traits would've been bred out of the population surely? Or at least present in diminishing rates. ADHD hasn't been a useful trait for 35,000 years, about when agriculture started. (I don't know when you're defining the patriarchy as having started.) ADHD is still very much a prevalent genetic trait though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:15 PM
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Calm your knickers, I'm not saying men shouldn't take red flags seriously. I'm saying that your reading isn't the spirit with which it was clearly intended. Now you're accusing me of wanting men to be abused? You're turning water into wine here man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:36 PM
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I'm very hit and miss with that capability, that's a desirable trait in a person of any gender, and I don't think men are inherently better in a crisis either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:34 PM
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You're taking the phrasing too literally, and linking it to abuse was a little extreme. They're just inquiring about traits that you particularly value and are attracted to. Not "what's a trait so appealing you'll overlook red flags"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:32 PM
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There was a time when redpillers refused to see any positive in women, AWALT etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:30 PM
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A lot of men simply find the female form inherently sexual. If my bottom in leggings is a turn on for others then that's their problem really. Lumping it in with provocative behaviour dilutes your own point imo. That's something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:01 PM
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It's never come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:55 PM
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If you can't make yourself "happy" without interfering in other people's safety then you deserve neither. I'm sure you're writing from a place of unhappiness and loneliness, but you should be assured that you don't deserve better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:02 PM
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Even men who believe strongly in patriarchal values seem to have stopped bothering to make the case for these things to women. You've got tradwives whose propaganda is so obviously flawed it seems to be more off putting than effective recruitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:54 PM
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It really depends on the why I guess. I've known partners for a long time before we got together, so for a long time I wasn't attracted to them but still thought they were cute obviously. There's a difference between that and being unattracted to someone. I appreciate to some this is "only" semantics but this is the sort of topic where the semantics is the cause of the conflict. People use words like attraction in debates and get annoyed at others and often it seems like it's because they're usi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:51 PM
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Women with sugar daddies are a tiny minority. Sex work is still very much work and tends to be performed by people for whom accessing the non sex work market is difficult; migration status, disability, childcare etc. The fantasy you're projecting of lying in silk sheets all day, being fed grapes and fucked isn't the reality for even real sugar babies. Doing porn isn't an easy job by anyone's standards, long hours, torn skin, the preparation such as enemas, waxing etc. There's also a large invest…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:45 PM
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It's crazy to me how early some people introduce their partners. Different if you already knew the person in whatever capacity and your kids had met them. Just seems like a recipe for resentment all round at best, and inviting predators in at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:37 PM
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Nothing in your post actually backs up the claim in your title though, you simply mention your own struggles as a single dad. I'm bisexual and I'd prefer to not date anyone with kids. It's a lifestyle preference. If I'm gonna have my life turned upside down by kids I'd rather they were my own. I don't think I'll have kids, so I'd prefer to live the upside of that I.e. DINK, no childcare responsibilities etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:34 PM
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No one's asking you to. They're asking women to make themselves unhappy for you. And I'm saying, why should they? Unless you're advocating forcing women to be put into relationships with men, and you're saying why shouldn't you since you want to prioritise your own happiness. Which is simply "Why shouldn't I be a rapist". So I'm not sure if you've not read the thread properly or are proudly pro-rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:24 PM
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It's not up to me. An 18 year old won't be refraining because of my personal opinion on the matter. The ages of consent and adulthood and how they bisect with brain development is controversial; whilst I favour culturally extending the length of childhood, when it comes to sex work specifically, there is an issue with raising the age above 18. Personally I'm in favour of the sex work decriminalisation model, barring child sexual exploitation. If you raised the age of sex work consent above 18 th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:53 PM
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Men as a whole? I have no interest in the matter one way or another, as long as they stay out my business. If a specific man I know has social issues then sure I'd hope he could improve his social skills if that was the issue, and I'd give my advice if asked. I'm not sure what you mean by the last part, I'm not taking part in national service over the matter. I've been a barmaid and I definitely gave a lot of chat to men who needed that, that's part of the job. I'm not here for random men to app…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:41 PM
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I'm a kind and gentle person who loves nurturing, caring for animals and people and helping nature. I'm above average in looks and body, and have an interesting personal style. I've got good chat, no debt and a fulfilling life. I'm good at reflecting on my own thoughts and actions. I'm a very affectionate partner in general. I'm not saying I'm the most attractive person to date, but I think I bring a lot. Fundamentally I'm looking for companionship and passion, and I think I have it in me to off…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:34 PM
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A lot of men on here don't understand that the broad strikes of the population level doesn't directly translate to how the individual interacts with society. For example, a fifth of the world is Chinese. Doesn't mean learning Mandarin is going to raise your game if you live in Sweden. You don't need to appeal to all women. You need to appeal to a few women of a quality and type that appeals the most. What is your ideal partner like, and what would their ideal partner be like? I've seen this ques…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:05 PM
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All the women I've known who were particularly icked by this dynamic had some kind of personal experience of it. I have no issue with an age gap relationship that is comfortably consensual (no excessive power imbalance). The older men who come online and wax on about their right to date younger women are just a bad vibe, and I would advise any woman to stay away in that case. Fwiw I'm mid thirties woman who often dates men late twenties. So an age gap isn't the issue for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:54 PM
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Yes, it's bad to do bad things 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:51 PM
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Chemistry is pretty broad, for me that's compatible temperaments, lifestyles, sense of humour, engaging conversations, physical attraction and sexual compatibility. So yeah, all of that is more important than money or status.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:49 PM
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"Women not wanting to do their chores is making men kill themselves" er ok
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:47 PM
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Preference would be fine. Fetish would not. Although the devil would be in the detail. I am a brown woman and I do not do raceplay and I need to feel safe with a partner, if I felt overly fetishised I don't see how I could feel safe, much less sexually interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:44 PM
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Yeah seems crazy harsh. I've never had one of my women friends mention anything to do with erections or anything like that when we've discussed sex, except perhaps in the abstract. Generally the details are sparse and positive though. Are you sleeping with women on a casual level? Are you meeting off dating apps or irl? It doesn't make a difference to whether or not it's ok, just interested to see if it's a case of finding how to connect with women who will be more empathetic to the realities of…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:42 PM
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For me, this is the type of discourse I only see online. I wouldn't like to go for dinner with someone I didn't know well. Is this a cultural difference? I'm from the UK, where the vast majority of us seem to have agreed that pints, coffee or a walk are good first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:38 PM
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Don't jump to calling it gaslighting. Flirting is about mutual escalation. Sometimes people think a friendship is escalating and the other person think it's romantically escalating. Not wrong to be wrong either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:34 PM
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My family escaped a genocide. It exists, and is well rooted in science. Knowledge is not an excuse. I suggest you learn that instead of assuming everyone else is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:22 PM
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A defunct sub separate to this one? Why didn't you say that before ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:22 PM
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Yeah I agree. I don't want to date a rich ugly/mid man. When I date men I like pretty boys and I'm happy to accept they're usually poorer. My financial expectations is no gambling/some level of future planning/no excessive debt. So someone could be rich and not meet this, or be low income and meet those criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:41 PM
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No, you're conflating justifying bad behaviour with contextualising the structural oppression women face. The way your grandmother was brought up does and will have a material impact on your life now, that's called intergenerational trauma. If you don't understand what women are saying, try asking in a good faith fashion, rather than not understanding and filling the gaps in your knowledge with presumed malice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:38 PM
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No one said they are. I've intervened in men getting assaulted many times, but I don't expect men the likes of you to do anything. Also you're more likely to be the victim of knife crime in the US than the UK. I'm from the UK and I've never been mugged. Hopefully we don't become as degenerate and violent as the US is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:35 PM
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Nobody is, they're just scared to take on the real issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:33 PM
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Never seen it, and I lurk a lot. Seems you ain't got an argument if you have to make stuff up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:32 PM
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Being penetrated is not consumptive. I agree one should not over enmesh, a trait as common amongst men as it is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:25 PM
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Thanks, so damn hard to tell on this sub sometimes 😄 Also I know what you mean irt to people feeling different at different points, for me I've seen some stuff in the news that's made me so mad and I do kind of want the death penalty then. I feel a bit bad about it, because overall I am strongly anti death penalty. That's why justice needs a cool head, it cannot be about pitchforks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:01 PM
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I agree, did you think I was saying castration is harm reduction? Because I was trying to articulate the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:14 PM
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Disagree, performing femininity is expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:27 AM
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So firstly I don't support castration at all? That's a mad thing to do to someone. Where I live it's not the victim, alleged or otherwise, who presses charges. So in most miscarriages of justice the majority of the wrongdoing is on the police and the Crown Prosecution Service and that's where I would expect the brunt of the investigation to take place. Making a false statement to the police and the court is already an offence so I don't see why it would need to be a different offence, the courts…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:26 AM
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It's not about introversion/extroversion. An introvert can be good looking, interesting and show interest, and be charismatic. A quiet guy whose funny and got good chat is basically my favourite type of guy. I think introvert and extrovert get kind of misrepresented on reddit. It's not two personality types that are completely different. It's just whether you recharge by spending time with people or without them. A lot of people are more ambivert. It doesn't really have a massive impact when you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:20 AM
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I agree, making more male friends is always going to be nice for a single dude, and expanding your social circle and presenting the best version of yourself means you may be introduced to single ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:16 AM
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I agree with this. If you're only doing stuff to find a girlfriend within a specific amount of time it'll be hopeless. If you're going to gigs/local events/being a part of a community that's the way. The things suggested are some ways to try this, but they're not the only way. Find a third space and frequent it. I'm from the UK and the amount of people's parents who met at the pub is insane. I've dated lots of boys in bands over the years. Yes, someone with a skill like music is an attractive qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:14 AM
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Not sure what would be the ideal "free market" alternatives for those things? Split the child in half?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:07 AM
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Well I just use contraception, but I appreciate the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:41 PM
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Disagree, there is so so much affirmative action for men. Woodworking groups, extra mental health support groups, more seriously seen to for mental health in general. The idea that there is a ton of this stuff for women and not for men is either dishonest or ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:23 AM
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The one thing we can all agree on is that the world would be better with less men in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:15 AM
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I don't see men as performance objects or providers. You're putting words into the months of others. Don't try and ask leading questions. Personally being bisexual for me means my relationships with both men and women tend to have much less conscripted gender roles. The gender roles that do emerge tend to be more thought out and chosen, rather than a passive default. There is a myth that women don't like men. Perhaps a lot don't, but I don't see men on here loving women as a group, even if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:06 AM
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Well your own sources say this claim is total shite?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:02 AM
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It's always been about equality, but for men like you the loss of status must feel like a shock. Still, no need for elaborate revenge, since women's increasing indifference to men is apparently destroying men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:59 AM
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Well by your argument I've personally benefited from every affirmative action programme. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:56 AM
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The last part is irrelevant when we are discussing the financial aspect. I don't argue social policy with Americans because I don't think our experiences are relevant, but in a nutshell no, any gender affirmative policies do not undo thousands of years of entrenched financial subjugation of women. There are other factors than children. For example, elderly care. I suppose women should be thankful they got to spend extra time with their parents as they clean up their piss?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:20 AM
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No, that would massively entrench inequality. By your logic Victorian Britain would have been an incredible place for a woman to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:01 AM
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Nah. I've got an active situation like this. He is a pleasant man, actually quite good looking. But I'm not attracted to his specific personality which therefore makes me unattracted physically. He's trying to befriend me quite aggressively, is clearly into me and trying to nudge the situation in that way, but hasn't actually made a move. The term "nice guy" isn't really meant to be a description. It's an iykyk, this is what women say when telling each other about a situation like the above. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:50 AM
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Surely marriage itself is a limitation on the free market if you're going to list those things. No one's forcing you to enter into a contractual agreement. You were free to enter so. Really don't think you know what free market means sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:41 AM
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He really said decrim rape now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:39 AM
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Women make a net loss economically from childbearing and rearing. The gender gap wouldn't exist otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:36 AM
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Attractive is very vague. That's Why you're getting different answers. Attractive as in, sexually aroused, or their look is nice and presentable? Because people use it to mean both.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:06 PM
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Make yourself loveable then
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:03 PM
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Who said getting what you want will make you happy? If you became a player you'd probably become mad cynical or a lonely alcoholic, and if you got a hot gf you'd probably sabotage it with insecurity. Yeah I get that's how you feel. But you resurrected this 17 day old post to tell me I'm dumb because my standards rule out men like yourself. That's not a flaw, that's a design feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:54 PM
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That sucks but it doesn't really change anything for me... a guy like you just isn't romantically or sexually a prospect for me personally. No nothing is guaranteed but that's the point. The men I know I know because we have similar interests, outlook etc and all get involved in our local communities and meet regularly and organically. Sometimes romantic stuff happens, but it's not the only reason any of them are there. You seem to only view having community like that as only worthy if you get s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:43 PM
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Nah, I'm bisexual and women can ick me too. It's more when you first meet someone you really don't know then very well, and sometimes a small reveal can show that they're quite a different vibe than you'd imagine. It's like a slightly uncanny sensation. Sure, sometimes the thing might be about masculinity. I don't know when anyone said women aren't allowed to be attracted to masculinity though? If you want women to be real about what they do and don't find attractive then don't shoot the messeng…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:37 PM
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It's not dumb, if a man doesn't have any community then we wouldn't be a good fit. I'm not obliged to create an equality of opportunity for every normie placeless guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:31 PM
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If I got slightly dicked around by a man and it turned out to be because he was feeling revenge on womankind because a girl he fancied ten years ago turned him down I would be LAUGHING til the cows come home. As always the best revenge is a life well lived. Spending your time trying to one up someone who hurt you is a waste of your own time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:47 PM
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Yes, and I'm saying that most men could increase their looks by several points. There is a greater range of diversity amongst women's body types (taking into account weight) than men. Yes most women could also improve their looks. But it does men a disservice on here for them to be told by so called red pilled men that they can't improve their looks. They absolutely can and not through bullshit getting shredded or mewing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:38 PM
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Well that's an entirely different conversation, the issue at hand is whether men can become better looking, which you thought they couldn't. Your point has nothing to do with that, and seems to be a refusal to cede any ground even when you don't have a good argument. Irt the should, no there's no should, nor is there for women. It should be noted that there are slightly more fat men than women, and obviously women do groom themselves to a higher standard. So I don't think there's a higher standa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:20 PM
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Most men are obese or overweight. Changing that, improving hair and skin and dressing better will take most men up way more than 1. Plus 1 point as you say is still a ten per cent increase, which is actually a huge improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:18 PM
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See this just discredits everything you've said here. If you think not being obese is the only thing that makes a woman hot or not, just seems like you don't know women very well. Men on here want it both ways; women only need to not be fat, but also take her swimming on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:51 PM
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Doesn't that just mean that the women side of the market has increased the supply of good looking women, whilst men have not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:49 PM
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Disagree. Basic self care is lacking for a lot of men, and it has a big impact on looks. Sleep, hydration, eating mostly unprocessed plant based foods, not smoking etc. As well as other things such as good grooming and skincare. Not sure where you live but where I do there isn't the backlash to men doing those things as there used to be, and besides, there's backlash to women's grooming, despite the paradoxical pressure to conform. I don't think every man can become George Clooney or whatever, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:48 PM
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women are not entitled to respect This is a key way some men see respect which is in conflict with how most women do... respect for the stranger is a universal human right. A respect for an individual's accomplishments is better termed as recognition. You've said it's understood that men are not entitled to those things, but I disagree. There are plenty of men who say otherwise, structural barriers preventing the case and mainstream media propagating misogynistic territorial behaviours in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:54 PM
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When I am with a specific man, I find his sexuality, body and energy very beautiful. I don't feel the same about male sexuality as an abstract concept, same as female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 09:21 PM
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I genuinely disagree that most men, at least in the UK, want to be with a woman who is submissive. Perhaps some do in a BDSM way, but most just don't seem to want that sort of relationship. Agree about weight, although I think most of the men who talk about that online could themselves stand to lose weight. After all there are slightly more fat men overall. Promiscuity isn't something you can change once it's done. For me I never wanted to sacrifice my short term pleasure for the preference of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 09:14 PM
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Low income is fine. Being ugly doesn't make someone a loser but no I wouldn't date someone I thought ugly. No friends is a big turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 10:59 AM
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What evidence do you have? You give no reason why the hypothetical situation you've imagined has any meaningful insight into how women experience attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 10:22 PM
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That is the commonly understood meaning of the phrase, it's not telepathy it's called language. I assume you have a much bigger issue with the post since it's decided that everyone that uses it actually has some nefarious agenda?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:29 PM
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No, they're saying please don't dehumanise me. Did you genuinely misunderstand that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:31 PM
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This is what you get when you talk about dating in population terms. Yes for me, most men are losers who I wouldn't date or fuck. I'm sure they'll live, my validation isn't some sort of essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:27 PM
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Alright then - maybe you are just ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 11:22 PM
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Small social circle combined with limited patience, yeah again just reiterating my point that men who cold approach are kinda losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:04 PM
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It's not armchair philosophy to say that the term bitch shield is a tad disrespectful, and it's hardly a jump to then point out the obvious, that you a hypocrite and any issue you have with society is simply that it has not rewarded you for turning up. Yes, I have been to Ireland, and I have many Irish friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:00 PM
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So your solution to men's unhappiness is some women should make themselves unhappy? I'm happy to look at solutions which don't expect women to sacrifice themselves like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:41 AM
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The way you talk about Irish women, I'm not surprised you can't find a girlfriend amongst them. The respect you expect of women towards men is missing from your own post. Talking about "bitch shields". Tying women liking men for reasons that aren't to do with looms to SUICIDE is such a leap. By all means discuss it as a topic, but squeezing it in the end of a post is just a cheap shot. If you're such a social pariah by the way, whose telling you you could model?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:36 AM
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What imbalance? If we are talking useful attention. It just doesn't map onto how currency works, where the point is the value is the same regardless of who gave it to you. If you have your own suggestions make them. Dating isn't a matter of much social policy within my own country. If you're talking about change on a cultural level, then you tell us what that would need to be. Either men give less attention which is fine with me, or you're saying women should give pity attention out to make men …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:28 AM
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I can see why that's an appealing lie to tell yourself. Aside from society developing through activity that goes beyond paid work, women have been building society since before we even had paid work. Personally I only take responsibility for what I have personally done. I don't take credit for the work of others because they share a mutual characteristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:13 AM
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No one's telling men to leave? Men not getting girlfriends is just not a problem women can solve. So strange to me that you say women aren't building society. Just not true and has never been true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:07 AM
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Men went to war, and women gave birth and died in their millions. Women have always been disposable, it's ignorant to compare being sent to war with women working in offices. Men aren't conscripted much nowadays and women aren't dying much in childbirth anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:04 AM
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I've not seen this sort of discussion on here. But your post is saying women say men don't actually like older women, and that's the same as saying they're inherently worthless. But it seems that you're the one whose defining a woman's inherent value purely on whether or not she's attractive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:00 AM
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A good looking man who cold approaches is a massive red flag. No thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:50 AM
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If you don't have the social skills required to be friends with women then I doubt your ability to form a romantic relationship with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:57 PM
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To me a man who cold approaches is kind of outing himself as a loser who doesn't have women he can chat up in more organic settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:24 PM
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And men on here say that women can't take responsibility. Passport Bros are making a choice based on their situation, perceived and real. In the West men are much less likely to die in war than previous generations which I imagine must be a much bigger factor than simply "women bad for not wanting me". I'm not really sure what you want from women. If you feel you don't meet the beauty standard then I get the frustration, but I don't know what you expect women to do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 04:10 PM
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OP needs to learn what introspection means before he accuses women of lacking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 09:38 PM
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I go to a lot of local events such as gigs etc, and organically get to know people. If you've seen someone about a couple of times conversation can flow easily. I don't enjoy getting cold approached, sure there's the odd context where it's fine but the honest truth is I don't need to meet more people, I meet plenty already so I don't need to walk around with my headphones off in case some guy who I have nothing in common with wants to chat me up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:36 PM
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Disagree, best move most men can do is lose weight. Objectively you will be better looking, increase your life expectancy, look after your heart etc. The mansophere always says this to women, and assumes that men only need to put on muscle. Most men would be better off focusing on losing fat though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:34 PM
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I've had both done well. It's about consent, not a contract; body language can be fine if enthusiastic. I don't think saying women are immature for preferring one is particularly helpful. Women aren't obliged to have the same preferences as one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:29 PM
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If you can't get a sex or relationship then you need to learn to be happy being single, or remain unhappy. That's what people are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:37 PM
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Then your analogy doesn't map on. Are most men paying for extravagant dates with disinterested women? I've never heard of this happening in real life at all. It's like your views of dating are gleamed from reddit and 80s films.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:06 PM
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By your own analogy, you're going for jobs you're under qualified for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:50 AM
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So you think men's problems are because of women, and I suppose that means you think women's problems are because of men? Or is "responsibility" something you only talk about when women pursue their own self interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:49 AM
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Why would I complain about that? A vague, polite but firm no is the best response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:25 PM
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These two points aren't about the same topic though? Pornsickness is discussed irt to how sex is between a couple, swiping on dating apps is about courting. Your point about women on dating apps makes it seem like you think how men do things is the default, and women doing something different is wrong especially if it does not benefit you specifically. I don't think anyone wants to be pornsick? For things like death grip. I've had sex where the man clearly had watched too much porn and it was ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:20 PM
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Women tend to outlive their husbands anyway. Marriage or not, women are likely to die alone. I'd absolutely rather be single than with someone I found unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:56 PM
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Good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:28 PM
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So... since you women can't stand men and want to get away from us... The reason women want to get away with you isn't your gender. And in answer to your question because we assume men will make their own choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 05:27 PM
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That includes couples with equal salaries. I don't think someone should do more because they earn less though. You can't compare the labour of birth and breastfeeding etc to paid work within a common metric either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 12:38 AM
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If women are making choices to an extent that it is statistically significant, than those choices are being made within a structure... I don't think you can call people having children a personal woman choice. Women's labour is often unpaid e.g. childcare, elder care, volunteering and housework. This is all work that is vital for society. The question that feminists ask is is this fair? Is this equitable? How can the work that falls to women be better rewarded and supported?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 09:45 PM
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Sounds like women would still be better off not getting fat, than be with a man who thinks of women like that. Red pilled men can't make an honest case for why women should be getting married at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 01:12 PM
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Makes sense, I've always thought your right hand seemed defeated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 10:16 PM
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I don't believe Taylor Swift being better looking than a man 20 years her senior offers us much insight into gendered life outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 10:07 PM
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And men on here say women give bad advice. The OP gas asked how do I avoid this, and your advice is to avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:56 PM
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How does marriage benefit women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:55 PM
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In my experience it's been more acquaintance, friend of a friend, pub mates, in a shared hobby group etc rather than best friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:38 PM
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Everyone needs a balance of hormones, including oestrogen, as well as testosterone. Yes I'd like to date a man whose handsome and not a cunt. Just another post shaming women for having preferences despite men's preferences being shamed is continually fretted upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 04:15 PM
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Typically, a woman requires from several to several dozen intercourses to get pregnant This phrasing implies an accumulative affect though. Also implies cheating happens at the same time through someone's cycle. I'd be interested to know if ovulation has a greater chance of cheating. Saying that I have ADHD and the symptoms are much worse during my period. My point is there's a lot more variables than you've built in yet. You're merging two datasets but I think we would need actual research to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:19 PM
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Wow, women are single until they're not. Great stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:15 PM
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I don't think that's what the post is saying. It's saying if you believe 80/20 is true, that there are therefore many couples where the woman is with a man she finds non attractive. Now personally I believe 80/20 is pseudoscience. But it's fair to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:14 PM
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Women can give good advice, but only to men they feel comfortable giving their unfiltered opinion to. Some men haven't got that bond with a woman whose got any wisdom. It doesn't mean no woman has good advice. I've received good advice on relationships, love and life from people from all walks of life; only a fool has too much pride to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 11:51 PM
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Its not wrong, it's cringe and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 11:47 PM
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Which specific ideas are contradictory?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 03:27 PM
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It sounds like you aren't clued into feminist discourse, nor know when an opinion is a feminist opinion as opposed to the opinion of a woman. Yes there are many polemically opposed branches of feminism. Your call for a centralisation of an orthodox feminism just isn't going to happen, it's not a religious movement, nor is it a single movement at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 02:43 PM
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What's your looks scale?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:21 PM
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Every man who struggles could improve their looks and personality and overtake a lot of other men. They either don't want to (valid), take the wrong advice, spend their energy on the mansophere and become bitter etc. I think there is a lot of messaging we all receive in society which is about self improvement of various types. I don't think I'd call it toxic because that's a word I tend to reserve for interpersonal relationships rather than structural issues. I think a lot of men on here spend a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:17 PM
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Well I'm not going to beg for you to regard women as equals. We are your equals, and if you choose to negate our contributions that will simply be a deficiency in your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:06 PM
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UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:55 AM
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Huh? Comprehension? Of who?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:53 AM
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Most people have a couple tried and tested lipsticks though. Yes I might get a new lip gloss from time to time, is that just having a wank in this analogy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:52 AM
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You've misunderstood, I'm citing childbirth as one contribution of women's labour. My point is men absolutely need women, so the idea men are superior is void.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:48 AM
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I date men and I wear lipstick but I have no idea what this analogy means substantively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:27 PM
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That seems more like a default template, specifics pending. If you're marrying someone you're mingling your assets. I think this is a cultural mindset as much as a legal or moral question. I notice Americans seem to think they can get married but keep one foot out. For me i think if you marry them the split should be about fair and equal depending on the situation, which is likely decades later.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:26 PM
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No man worth dating feels feminist has been a net detriment to his dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:23 PM
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Sure. Land deeds can be dealt with separately. I just don't see why the mandatory element is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:20 PM
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Yeah, why wouldn't they? That doesn't mean they don't like shy or introverted guys. But I think you're talking about a level beyond that, to shut in. I've met lots of shy guys who were able to make decisive moves when they wanted it. Obviously they were good looking and had nice social manners but that's my point. You can be shy and still be attractive. And yeah if you meet a woman who has zero social skills you don't have to date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:49 PM
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Aye if you've never been flirted with I'm sorry for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:46 PM
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No, its a process which the two parties choose to enter to at the time it arises, its not a pre written negotiation of assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:45 PM
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Well with any gender pairing there's mutual flirting which escalates to the point that who makes the move is sort of immaterial.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:35 PM
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I'm assuming that isn't a worldwide figure. I'm talking about my own legislation. I think there's other ways really. All the clauses about if one cheats or something just seems like a recipe for private detectives and other silly things. I think the better idea is to have an amicable enough break that you can hire one solicitor to split the assets. Sure, you could write a prenup regarding that. But the original premise was if they should be mandatory. No. Very few things should be mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:31 PM
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Yeah you still need some chat. I date women too and I expect the same of them. I don't make any apologies for that, I'm not a charity case for the witless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:28 PM
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Where I live prenuptial agreements aren't entirely legally enforceable. Couples can write them but it's up to the judge to make the decision. Alimony is very rare. I don't think it's perfect but I think it's for the best for the division to happen based on what is the couples material reality instead of trying to agree for every possible scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:25 PM
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Oh it's massive in certain circles of romantic novels. Most of the men in Mhairi MacFarlane books have at least a shy streak, with a couple it being their primary characteristic. Shy and brooding are two sides of the same coin. Sure there's a level where awkwardness becomes unattractive sure, I don't believe anyone said otherwise. But men saying "I have no standards therefore women shouldn't either" is just so boring to me. Like, you're desperate, why should I be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:37 PM
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Yeah I am. I've dated shy guys. But they had social skills. There's a difference between a shy guy whose cute and nice and a reddit shut in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 04:35 PM
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Yeah conflating introversion with being poorly socially adjusted has somewhat voided OP's argument. Shy guys absolutely do have their fans? I feel this is a popular romantic trope. But yes I expect a partner to be socially well adjusted. Like, are you house trained? Can you meet my parents and not cause a diplomatic incident? Can I introduce you to my friends? If not then there may be issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:30 PM
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So you demand a yes or no answer, then predict the answers will be either yes or no? Damn you got me ig. Dating apps shouldn't be your sole or even primary way of getting dates. They do work in that they can make fulfilling connections, let you know whose looking etc. I've met up with acquaintances and hit it off for example. But it helps that i have an irl social life and meet lots of people. So dating apps are augmenting a social reality that already exists. But they can absolutely be bleak an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:27 PM
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I don't. I've earnt more and less than partners. But I don't want to date someone who gambles or is feckless or drinks all his money. You do need compatible values about money though. I don't understand why the manosphere baulks at women having that preference though, like you can make more money but you can't get taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:22 PM
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Yeah I just don't quite trust your judgement of the situation. You're both average but an 8/10? But you're better slightly in every way? I think perhaps you're not seeing your sisters desirable traits, which fine she's your sister, but you then compare that to yourself who you can see in that light. You're not able to be objective about this. No one can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:18 PM
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I'm saying to discredit feminism for the actions of a tiny minority, whilst admitting in the same breath that the men's rights movement has created much higher rates of violence is completely unfair. Male victims of rape and domestic violence absolutely need to be given access to the right support. Where I live the issue is that domestic violence funding for all has been massively reduced. Men and women shouldn't be pitted against each other. On that subject though I assume you think it's an iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:24 AM
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Nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm saying women have been invisible but their labour has been crucial for society. Those men didn't birth themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:56 AM
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Sure but you had to cite a lone woman from the 70s to make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:55 AM
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Agree. I've rarely seen anything like that said. I feel the general thought is we exist genetically, including sexual differences, and then we are culturally conditioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:58 AM
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Clearly there has been more real life examples of male supremacist terrorism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:57 AM
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Male achievement in the public realm has always been made possible by the invisible labour of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:55 AM
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I don't see the man in your scenario being able to pull off a cold approach. Statistics aren't going to get you laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:50 AM
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Your point would have been more valid if when you mentioned elements of the mansophere that was hostile to women you didn't just blame women. This is the thing, TRP is incredibly "men are precious and women evil". I know that's what they say about feminism, and there are elements like that although not at all entirely, but if that's an attitude you disagree with then why would you reproduce it? Show us some reflexivity and humility!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:49 AM
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Whose to say that all womankind isn't dealing with reality? If a women receives the amount of attention she believes correct for her looks, then what is the illusion? How I appraise my looks as a woman goes much further than simply how many straight men have swiped me on hinge. It goes much much deeper than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:45 AM
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I think feminism has tremendously benefited men. Along with the class struggle etc; We now have weekends. You don't have to marry someone if you get them pregnant. DINK is an option. If your partner gets pregnant and you don't want it there's a good chance she also won't want it and will abort. We have a leisure culture. People are free to choose not to live in rigid manners. You can choose to live with a partner and not get married. Your partner can freely access contraception and thus not use …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:42 AM
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Good sex is something the two people do together, with their.chemistry. I've had mediocre shags where I'm sure the guy isn't bad at sex per se, we were just lacking in some compatibility or were a bit pissed or whatever. I think if you really fancy someone and put in the effort, listen to their body and also ask them what they like then you're most of the way there really. It's not like a superpower.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:38 AM
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I've heard the behind close doors versions of many breakups from women's perspectives and I can honestly say 'I realised he was nice' has never been the reason, nor the subtext. I'd love to hear more about your specific examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:36 AM
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I agree. I choose not to enter serious partnerships at the moment for a variety of reasons. That doesn't leave me asking "why do people be in relationships" when clearly the answer is because its nice? Like yeah, some people have shitty reasons but most of it its just that it's nice to be in love with someone you find lovely. If you don't want it or can't find it that's fine too? Idk I just don't think it's very complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:33 AM
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To me it's a dealbreaker not a red flag. They're not the same. I don't think being a virgin is a sign of poor behaviour, simply an incompatibility with my own preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:42 PM
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All I see is a variety of needs influencing behaviour which itself determines further needs, I don't see anything to say that it is the behaviour of women which has occurred independently of men but that which men are forced to react to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:40 PM
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Again, as the only one of us who knows what I look like, your confidence in your opinion of my looks just doesn't compete with my own. I don't believe I have an unrealistic view of my own looks, nor did I compare mine to everyone's else's, merely to myself. "I guess you will never get it" is insane thing to say when you don't even know what you're judging on .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:25 PM
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Well as I know what i look like and you don't, your opinion isn't exactly well informed. People are allowed to like what they look like, imagine taking umbrage at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:10 PM
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Well as someone who knows what I look like I shall put my opinion before yours. Being in your thirties isn't as terribly ageing as the shut ins on here would have you think. Yes some people have an obsession with youth and would have preferred me at a younger age, however this doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:40 AM
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I've eaten pizza at parties with friends casually and joyfully, and I've also had intimate candlelit dinners. There's a material difference between the two, and yet both have been immensely pleasurable. I'll also state that I generally only date bieexual men these days. Not as a rule, just how it works out, but I tend to find that they have more compatible mindset to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:28 AM
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Individual interactions can't be averaged out like that though. There are too many variables. Depending on what country it is and what the weather is like for example, the time of day etc. Averages work at the population level, they do not give us an understanding of the interpersonal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:16 AM
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If i were to enter a long term relationship it would be because myself and the other person had that connection. Sure sex would be a part of that, but I could not comprehend having a partner who only wanted to be with me for an access to sex as a resource. For me a man that I would want to be with would already be incredibly special because he would view relationships in a way which meshed with my own, as well as a million other ways. A man who could only feel special because he'd persuaded me t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:12 AM
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I've had periods sleeping around and periods in long term relationships. They both have their joys, i like to just see how things breeze really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:04 AM
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Any advice is towards the person asking for the advice though. You can't advise the person around them. I'm not sure what advice trp really offers lonely men though. society rejects any accountability for how they've treated you and the kind of person that you've become accordingly What does this even mean? What would society accepting accountability look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:02 AM
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I agree that the two use the same skills and social capital, but that doesn't mean it isn't a useful stepping stone. The difference is its easier to organically grow your social circle little by little, rather than creating a one on one relationship. If you're saying a person has such little social cache that they cannot connect with a single human being, than no, I don't think it's good advice, but nor do I think that person could have a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:58 PM
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Abundance of choice ebb and flows ime, I've had times where its felt there's no prospects and times when there's been tons. My own looks sure have varied but I think there's a lot of other factors involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:51 PM
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Why bluepill specifically? Do you already have lots of examples of redpillers doing this? Link it up then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:49 PM
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I don't disagree, I just don't think trainwreck is an applicable word. I haven't broken, I've made different choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:47 PM
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Of course, my point is that preference is continuously broadcast, but the feeling is likewise. Saying "the feeling is mutual likewise LIKEWISE" feels redundant when it was baked into the original statement. But I wouldn't describe myself as a train wreck. I don't feel the need to put down people like that simply for leading a different lifestyle to myself. I wonder what causes you to reach for those sorts of words so casually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:12 PM
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I know, don't threaten me with a good time. I don't mind entire demographics not wanting to be with me, but I find it ludicrous that those types women are losing sleep over not being with them. Like I've made my bed sure, and I'm quite cosily in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 06:08 PM
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That's ok! I'll just note that Korean feminist discourse on military service is an unknown still to me one way or the other. I don't think that's unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:54 PM
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"If this then that, so if that then therefore, thus this" honestly i don't really see your logic. You could say "pre martial sex carries a risk for infection" but your conclusion entirely rests on the word basically. People do things which carry risks of infections and it is important to have strong public health services which meet people where they are. I would include the anti vaxxer types were it not for behaviours like believing in right wing conspiracies, junk science, storming fucking cov…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:31 PM
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I've had a date or two with guys I wasn't particularly attracted to, but thought they were cute enough to see if there's a vibe cos my attraction can and does grow. I don't know any women in LTR who are with someone they don't find attractive. It happens but particularly around straight normie women who buy into the "men are so quirky and fun" narrative which is luckily dying out in my generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:27 PM
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When it comes to chatting up a stranger I guess they'd need to be good looking and in one of my usual haunts most the time. I'm not chatting men up at the bus stop. I like to be the one to pursue in general for a few reasons but yeah, there's a finite amount of factors when it comes to chatting up a stranger. You don't know their inner soul, you're just having a chat and seeing if there's a vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:25 PM
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Yup, early thirties. I look better than i ever have, don't know how many sexual partners I've had, full social diary. Got my problems, who hasn't. The fact I'd be a terrible prospect for a red piller loses me no sleep. What am I missing out on? Nothing that I personally value.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:22 PM
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One woman does not maketh t h e c u l t u r e.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:21 PM
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We don't have a draft in my country, and it has always been women who were fighting to be in the army. I don't think this point is considered strong here as women took on a LOT of dangerous jobs during WW2 and we haven't had a war like that since. Generally just against armies. So no hypocrisy. Women having abortion access has not taken away any rights men didn't have before. If men get post conception abortion then so should women. But I suspect men not like actual equality on this issue. Again…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:20 PM
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OK, can you send me links to spaces you mean then? Interested to see the research you've found.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:09 PM
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Lol I didn't even see the notification, and no I don't have those sources? I literally asked for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:08 PM
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Protection from what, other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:35 PM
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How to be a good partner these days does not require involving your gender. If you wish to have gendered norms that is a specific dynamic still built on the same relationship skills. Saying that advice which is more likely to be of use to a woman would to be an involved partner, initiate how you wish your life and relationships to be. If you work full time do not do all the chores. If you don't want to do something don't do it begrudgingly. If he leaves his washing in the machine let it rot rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:35 PM
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Have you looked into it at all. Arr you in Korean feminist spaces?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:42 PM
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Of course they do. No one said men's groups couldn't. But the fact is the manosphere has never advocated for women, and the feminist movement has for men. Men's issues receive a lot of time, money and support. The amount that is thrown into men's mental health dwarves that of women. The fact is the manosphere complains about women not caring about their issues, whilst simultaneously contributing to the issues of women. The movement is a detriment to men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:24 AM
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There's a lot of feminists and non misogynistic mens groups working towards each other's wellbeing. That you are unaware of either side of that speaks only of your own politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:02 PM
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The premise is trying whether or not the person "deserves" to be considered a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:10 PM
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So it's wrong to be against murder because suicide? Good logic. My point was that the manosphere only cares about male suicide as a point to shut down women talking about their mental health, which you beautifully illustrated, so thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:08 PM
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So you don't want to go to a therapist, you want to speak to women but you also don't think they're good at listening. I don't really know what you want from people here. Maybe talk to other men then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 06:08 PM
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The thing is, if I get my heartbroken by a good looking guy, less attractive guys I've turned down in the past don't even cross my mind for a moment. I don't turn them down for being misogynists. You're bringing an issue you have with women with an issue you have with them, with no evidence of connection. I'd rather be single than dating a bitter ugly man, easily. I'm not asking anyone to feel bad for me. But yes it is all or nothing for me. Why wouldn't it be? Why would I settle for a man who i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:47 PM
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Are these.... the same women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:45 PM
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No, it's saying the behaviour that TRP prescribes for women will attract predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:32 PM
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Agree, and men on here often say women are shit at giving advice. But the average man on heres advice is "don't be fat". If that really is all there is for women to do then that really just implies men are insubstantial creatures whose opinions are worthless. Or it's overly simplistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:48 PM
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The point isn't whether or not women can think for themselves, it's that TRP has nothing of value to offer women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:46 PM
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Where do you live? Your view of how women view men and vice versa seems a bit old fashioned and not at all how dating works where I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:45 PM
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No, people don't think a woman is autistic and just think she's a bad or annoying person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:22 PM
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Broody.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:17 PM
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I believe marriage lowers life expectancy for women beyond childbearing. Or being single raises it....
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:16 PM
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Yeah straight men on here say "women do this thing in relationships" and it's like you're only saying that cos you've never dated a man, so don't present it as though it's a gendered difference. The example is bizarre, trp loves to make up these hypothetical situations as though they were evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:09 PM
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Women building social bonds with other women is not a flaw, its a strength which has been engrained into humans. You look at so many species and its females helping females to raise offspring, keep the group together and survive whilst the males do whatever. Throughout a long period of time the public sphere belonged to men, and women belonged to the private sphere. It therefore makes complete sense as well on a cultural level that women's bonding takes place in private; issues such as menstruat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:44 PM
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That's not what I wrote. If you had wished to debate me that would have been fine, and if you're quip had had any humour or imagination in it that would be too. But your low effort response just seems like you have very little to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:37 PM
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I think this is a really good question. I'm a woman but I've definitely experienced rejection, all women I know have, so whilst it may look different for us it's important to recognise that this is genuinely a human phenomena. I really think that's where the answer lies, because if you think that you're receiving all this rejection and there's these special people who never have any of that, thats what's going to make you feel bitter. No I'm not saying everyone experiences rejection the same, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:35 PM
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I don't disagree! It completely means that some people have more socially desired traits than others. But if that's the case you then have a choice. At the end of the day if you don't adapt to what you've got and learn to accept and utilise it, the only person that negatively affects is yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:27 PM
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Yep, you need to compensate for it. We are equal as people, not as prospects. It's definitely the lack or confidence that comes with it that holds them back more than the trait itself, although I'm not saying that has a negligible effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:55 PM
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I mean, presumably you're not looking at a lot of men's profiles for comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:09 AM
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There's short and autistic af guys who do very well though. I'm not saying those things aren't viewed negatively a lot of the time, but its also about the personality of the one who has them. If you're someone who spends all their time comparing themselves to others and developing a chip on your shoulder then it does become a handicap.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:08 AM
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Yep, women stating preferences is vilified, so then they are too reticent to state them so they're accused of being deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:07 AM
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Good god the good thing about being autistic is I have NEVER been pulled into a situationship. If I want to be dating someone I've shagged they know about it. I don't think "gender flipped" is the right term but they're definitely both examples of people taking the relationship on offer despite wanting something more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:04 AM
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As a woman i certainly taoe my self development seriously because why wouldn't you want to lead your best life, and grow and achieve the things you want. Of course being a higher level version of yourself may help you attract someone, but I think if you think of the entirety of your life's work to be about pussy then I think that's just an odd way to think about it. Is vagina the only reason you'd want to get educated, get a career, go to the gym, be social? If so then yeah I can see why a basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:00 AM
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The manosphere weaponsises men and suicide in a way which is genuinely dangerous to men's mental health. Men's mental health is portrayed as a serious social ill, and women's as an individual case of a crazy bitch. I would take the manosphere more seriously if I felt the average acolyte thought womens mental health mattered. Everyone's mental health is interlinked with one another, our nervous systems can connect, soothe and disturb others. We need to work to improve everyone's mental wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:52 AM
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Vetting is a difficult process, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:42 AM
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Sure, popular things are popular. Trp comes with a lot of misogyny though, its rare a redpiller can stereotype women in a positive manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:41 AM
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No ones saying people don't lie. They're saying if your only view of women is formed by your sisters friends, colleagues weekend stories and accounts from other misogynists online, then you're not going to get a well rounded view. "They might be lying" is a terrible reason for not conversing with people who have a different world view to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:33 AM
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Men cheat and its all womens fault, more at 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:31 AM
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It was a joke my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 12:53 PM
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Don't worry I'll have plenty of time to make tik toks diagnosing married women as bisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:52 AM
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There are plenty of men on here who have clearly had too much advice from men and not enough from women. I
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:23 AM
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They were encouraging dating anorexic girls at one point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:22 AM
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They're also more likely to be out of shape, balding, divorced, have kids, become a boring old man etc. I'd say it could go either way for genuinely mid tier guys. But the point I was refuting is that 40 year old women don't have options, when they are in fact well positioned to get what they want from aex and dating, and how many groups can say that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:17 AM
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They think there'll be a point where they're more in demand than the women that are turning them down now are in. But that's applying the macro to the micro; a 20 year old shut in doesn't just turn into a 40 year old Chad. If I'm a 40 year old divorcee I'd be into having casual relationships with hot men, why wouldn't you be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 10:42 PM
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You're assuming that the pool is all of people. A 40 year old woman and a 25 year old woman for the most part won't be going for the same men. Sure, the odd one, but you've not taken into consideration that women at that age are self assured. You're assuming that their contentment is only based on their sexyal appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:46 PM
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Why do you think they're desperate for a man? Just because they're older and you think that means their value has diminished doesn't mean women therefore act in a way which you imagine. A lot of older women know what they want, have an understanding of how to form healthy relationships etc. Your sexual attraction to a woman does not therefore confer a certain personality onto her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:25 PM
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I don't believe there is a single narrative about relationships. I personally have always received mixed messaging across a variety of institutions, interpersonal relationships and media. There is certainly an orthodox toolkit for improving one's chances of dating, many of which yes do work. If you stop being a shut in, improve your grooming and stop being quite such an insufferable bore you might get a shag.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:58 PM
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Yes but genetic selection is about the macro level. Entire bloodlines may be wiped out due to a freak incident that left a "weaker" one in tact and that would be that. Also the Tudor time is still a part of modernity and civilisation. The vast majority of time humanity has existed is within the pre history period.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:54 PM
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Yeah I'd have a bit less issue with trp calling women hypergamous if it was a bit more "as well they should" rather than AWALT. Red pill tends to position women as NPCs and sneer accordingly, and then act surprised when women loathe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:48 PM
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Your standards are way too specific rather than high. You've already worked out how exactly everything will be and are now searching for some elusive creature whose dainty foot will fit the slipper. I'm not saying you need to massively change what you want, but you do need to take on the mindset of searching a partner with whom to build a life, and who will have her own preferences and needs. Like, you've got your weekly sex schedule sorted already. And things like vegan and not religious seem a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:45 PM
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Isn't it linked to white supremacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:49 PM
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I don't think that's the gotcha question you think it is, "get raped or die alone?". Yes, I do have pity for men who can't date. But if you need to pit experience against each other you don't create a culture of mutual understanding at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:48 PM
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Also, you got older. That massively changes things. But I'd say overall the dating culture has changed, a lot of men seem to be wanting to pump for commitment and sex but are low effort about pursuing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:44 PM
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Agree, liking girlie stuff doesn't mean you can't enjoy other things. I want to get chickens so badly, how many do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:53 AM
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No one deserves or doesn't deserve to be picked. It isn't a qualification, someone wants you or they don't. There's not a single ugly man who couldn't become less ugly. So I'd work on the looks. But I'd get a woman's opinion, straight men on reddit don't get male aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:46 AM
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Yep, and those cool guys are the ones who are less likely to mind things like sexual history or whatever. That's why I've never been looking for a financial provider, just someone who is also not in debt with whom I could live the DINK lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:48 AM
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There's many ways men, or anyone really, can be shitty. And there's some mingers out there that are cheating and whatnot. It's not really about what your looks and status are globally, just in your corner of the world. Some men are Kings of their little ratholes and have a couple women fighting over him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:44 AM
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My hobbies are gardening, scrapbooking, making mixes of music, writing, makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:22 AM
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Makeup can be simple grooming for some, and for some it is a hobby with serious technique and creativity. Listening to music is a super common hobby, but it's a hobby nonetheless. Less passive forms can be making playlists, writing songs, producing music, making mixes, making mixtapes, crate digging, DJing etc. And I know lots of women who've done all of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:19 AM
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Yeah when no men are around we just sit around boobily, waiting for a man to arrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:17 AM
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Ngl I know more women with too many hobbies than not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:15 AM
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I think it's more that men and women of the richest and most powerful class couple up with one another, rather than assetless women gold digging some millionaire. I'm sure the latter happens, but the former seems to be more the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:14 AM
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If you believe that you have that level of persuasion then I'm happy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:12 AM
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As in, most people don't give a fuck about gender wars. Just culture wars crap. Most people just get on with stuff. Not saying there's not any gender conflict. But not to the point that the idea of gender segregation would even cross their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:10 AM
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Love is a biochemical process. On this very sub we have men praising men for having more testosterone which decreases the effects of oxytocin. Women absolutely can and do love men; platonically, romantically or filial. It simply would make no sense on either a philosophical or biological way for it to be otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:12 AM
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Because the majority of the World aren't shut ins who spend hours arguing about dumb shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:09 AM
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I linked you evidence which you ignored. Has it really caused you this level of cognitive dissonance? Just accept there's more fat men than women, so they're the ones who need to hear "don't be fat" more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:04 AM
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Yeah it's like they read a trashy summer paperback, a copy of cosmo and watched Love Island and decided that's all of womankind distilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:02 AM
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That's a US 8
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:58 AM
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Because women aren't picking them. So they try something like holding some doors open and going to to the gym a few times and when it still doesn't work they say women are too picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:03 PM
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Honestly a lot of men would benefit from reading more. It massively helps you develop your thoughts, perspective, language etc. I agree that there's a lot of blah kinds of men out there, and I dont think it's out of anyone's reach to at least improve a bit. I see SUCH bad dating app profiles; topless, with a fish or a car, sticking out their tongue, selfie in bed etc. Even seen some looking at their phone in their pictures! I do think that low effort men suffer more for it than low effort women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:01 PM
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Whose talking about treating them badly? Redpillers always say women can't take responsibility but they can never accept that men can be the ones in the wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:53 PM
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I see it suggested all the time on reddit, definitely. But there's a massive difference between that and how people talk about it where I live. Here under 40s often have had some counselling, but they tend to be shortish courses. My point is too little or too much therapy is a bad thing. I don't see overtherapy becoming an issue here as I think we still don't have enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:47 PM
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Nah you can see red flags in an attractive man too. I'm sure the vast majority of men would be more likely to forgive the social faux pas of an attractive woman than a plain one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:36 PM
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Then why are you attracted to women? Awful taste then.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:35 PM
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Just wrong. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn03336/ The survey, published in December 2022, found that men are more likely than women to be overweight or obese (68.6% of men, 59.0% of women). When there's less fat men than fat women your complaint will be more valid "don't be fat" goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:23 PM
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Relationships are a gamble, you can't ever completely protect yourself from bad things happening. I think keeping a foot out the relationship like that would be heavily criticised on here if it were a woman perhaps too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:20 PM
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After the 50 mark, she should stop expecting $10k+ ring of gold with diamond and prepare herself to kiss the toes of whoever offers her a smooth silver hoop. This reads as a third hand understand of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:19 PM
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Personality matters a great deal, but you need attraction too. It isn't either or.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:18 PM
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I don't see why. Sex can feel quite nice and be a fun way to spend with someone. I don't see why that needs moralising. It's the repressive attitudes around it that are damaging. I don't say this to mean that everyone should have casual sex, but I don't see it as a social ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:14 PM
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They didnt need a job and commitment for me to go for them, Yeah cos she was shagging him when she was a young un and also didn't have a job. Then you get older and "able to hold down a stable job" is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:13 PM
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That's fine with me, I don't want to marry some normie loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:11 PM
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Less attractive men can also be shitty to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:10 PM
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But there's more fat men than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:10 PM
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Your model isn't taking into account women's unpaid labour. In my country benefits are underclaimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:52 PM
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There are red flags throughout the spectrum of attraction. At least as many horrid men with red flags amongst the uggos.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:50 PM
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I'm 5'3", UK 10/12. Men who do not find a partner, well I have sympathy of course, but I'm not sure why I should put their happiness before my own. No thank you :) I'm neurodivergent and have had to think about all this shit manually. Dating and relationships are hard even if you're getting dates and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:48 PM
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I've seen it used with a more expansive definition than simply that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:33 PM
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whooooosh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:25 PM
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I'd say I'm slightly above average. I can and do attract me whom I find handsome who are interested in similar type relationships so I don't think you can call it picky. I want what I want and I tend to get it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:25 PM
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I think it's giving its best attempt to being condescending.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:23 PM
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Sure, they can have that effect although as i understand it wears off, at least if you have ADHD. I'd say the biggest change is in my impulse control though as I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:23 PM
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I don't think there's much to it. You find the most good looking guy you can, on an app or down the pub or whatever, go on a date and have a shag. Sometimes it's good sometimes it isn't. Sometimes you see them again sometimes you don't. Sometimes it's a woman. Its not too deep imo. It's not dehumanising because humans have sex, it's a normal function.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:39 PM
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OK I was asking on a proportionate level if they appear in equal numbers. But I hear what you're saying about overall availability.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:35 PM
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Dual mating strategy in that men are able to separate sex from dating much better, compared to women. Junk science. It's explicitly coming from a male perspective and then examining why female different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:33 PM
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In your situation why is it that women need to choose to start supporting men then? Why can't men make this act of goodwill? Abortion rights are going backwards. Do you think women should be able to have financial abortion as well? Wouldn't that mean she could have the baby delivered, register birth, file paternity notice, financially abort, and the man would have to look after the child? It just seems in your scenario that women are still the default caregivers because of their childbearing. Ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:31 PM
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What do you mean? Where is this gender disparity in available "good" men/women coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:25 PM
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For me it was getting my ADHD diagnosed and medicated. Having a slightly more functional brain has made impulse control a lot better. Where i live its still very under diagnosed. I think losing weight can be hard, and if medical support is the right choice for some to kick-start their journey then all the more power to them i say. Those options have a lot of downsides to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:24 PM
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It seems somewhat reductive to me, but if it floats your boat 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:21 PM
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The problem is you're not talking about women's actual desires, you're talking largely about the mass media depiction of women's inner lives. For the vast majority of women they would like a mixture of physical and emotional attraction. Its not either/or. You're confusing this with the fairytale that is told to boys that if they become the hero they'll win the girl. I agree it's poisonous, but it's culture that's produced that, not women specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:19 PM
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Of course. Why wouldn't that be the case. Picking the guys who turn you on. Why do red pillers like calling women being turned on "the tingles"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:08 PM
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I do use apps a little, but I largely focus my efforts on in real world interactions for that very reason. If I were to take 100 men of the total population then yes I'd find a very small amount attractive, whereas if I'm in spaces with more likeminded people the rate is much higher. But regardless I have to be attracted. I like sex and intimacy and those things are nice to do with a handsome man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:04 PM
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I'll speak specifically about the UK. Before abortion was decriminalised there were many women dying from backstreet abortions. Men did not need to risk their lives for this. Eventually it was decriminalised because it is a public health issue. Abortion absolutely benefits men. The majority of abortions will have been with men who also would not have wanted that child. So there's their "financial abortion". If men carried their wallets in their balls I'd have a different opinion, but access to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:56 AM
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Yep. My standards are immutable; I have to be attracted to them, good chat, good vibe and compatible values. If any of those things are missing then so be it, I'd count myself priced out the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:53 AM
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Do you think there are more good men than good women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:51 AM
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There's definitely a happy in-between, and I also think people need to be able to maintain their individual identity after having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:48 AM
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If I'm going to be miserable in this miserable world I may as well be beautiful. Violence cannot be escaped. I tried being ugly to protect myself and it made me feel shit in a different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:43 AM
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Yeah, someone being more attractive is gonna attract. Don't be resentful, you're probably just as shallow just don't realise it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:58 AM
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Sure, there's ways it benefits too. "Just stop being beautiful" lmao OK when you stop being ugly ill do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:57 AM
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It's not clownery to share my own experiences on a sub dedicated to discussing gendered realities. The fact that this upsets you is quite strange really. Did I say I was special? No. My point was that men being attracted to you is NOT in womens interest. If you'd read my comment, instead of what you imagined it to be you'd have understood that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:56 AM
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Yep, if you want to keep the weight off you have to remove the things that made you comfort eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:53 AM
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You don't see men do that kind of thing? Men are the most hypergamous but they don't see that shit cos it doesn' affect them, then act like it's only women who are fickle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:52 AM
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Sadly allergic to cats. If I have a kid i think I'd rather be a single mum and claim benefits. Either way I'd love to help kids, maybe volunteering to give art therapy to LGBT children or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:51 AM
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Yeah I can see that. I've found that more men being attracted to me has largely been an issue, I've been followed, harassed and even assaulted since. So it may be unpleasant for men to be ugly, but its fucking dangerous being beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:30 AM
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Yeah i don't really get that as a gendered thing. I've literally worked my ass off (lost a lot of weight, general glow up) and I can't resent people for being attracted to me now that weren't before. Attraction is essential for most people to start a relationship, and many to continue it. Occasionally I may feel a certain way about it, but then I remind myself that I am also like that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:48 AM
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Q4RP Do you believe thqy marriage with a man should still be the gold standard for women? Do you think it is the best option available? I say this because I see a lot of "ride the cock carousel until you're old and got a cat" but that sounds quite lovely imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:13 AM
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Whatever, women can be ADHD slags too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:09 AM
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I'm interested in this second part, what does testosterone do on a biochemical level to make a man have less attachment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:07 AM
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They use Chad to mean moderately attractive and socially competent men who have sex. The mistake they make is assuming this confers a specific personality. There's men who meet that criteria of all types.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:02 AM
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Yeah it's improved a lot but it's still patchy and not everyone gets it for various reasons. I hope American women can get better living and working conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:59 PM
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Only 6 months of that is paid mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:53 PM
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Well sometimes I've been hit on by a young man who seems perfectly pleasant but I'm not attracted to. So I suppose unwanted in a "didn't choose it, cost me some social energy" but I think its nice that they asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:40 PM
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Your post contradicts itself. First you say people have a pretty universal idea of whats attractive. Then you mentioned a few celebrity men that some women like and some women don't, and that somehow proves that women don't experience attraction and just follow trends? In heterosexuality its women's prerogative to determine what they find attractive. Your information on women seems third hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:39 PM
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Many things happen that aren't as I would have designed them to be, that's neither here nor there. If people are respectful then i don't mind, and if its not in a weird place. I've been hit on in some fucking horrible places. But as I say if it's at an event and it's a mutual friend type deal that can actually work well and is how I've met partners before. I don't know what's lol about maybe flattered?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:30 PM
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They still get leave, it's shared, not only paternity. The maternity leave is 52 weeks. So under the shared parental leave the father can have some of those too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:27 PM
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Depends what you mean by unwanted. Unreciprocated, perhaps. But if the setting is appropriate and they're respectful then I don't mind, or maybe flattered
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:41 PM
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I feel like that about other people's kids. I don't want to have stepkids. But my point is this phenomena exists even when it's the man own kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:20 PM
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That's a shame, I do hear that the US has quite poor leave policies in general. In the UK we have shared parental leave which I think is a good way of doing it and I hope it means a generation of children are raised who spend more time with their fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:19 PM
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Ooof ice cold 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:16 PM
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So you've got examples of women liking both?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:15 PM
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They're not mutually exclusive. I like both of those, plus the more "hobby" side like mixing music.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:13 PM
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Me too, that's why foetuses should be safely terminated. Unwanted pregnancies does lead to infanticide, whether or not the parents commit it themselves e.g. baby farms
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:12 PM
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Yeah and the rest mostly have other hobbies, whats your point? That you've never asked a woman about the things she's passionate about?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:14 PM
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Hey, nothing boring granny about felling trees!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:13 PM
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I agree, doing what needs to be done and helping others are ideal ways to cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 04:42 PM
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Ah, no worries. I wasn't correcting more expanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:56 PM
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Possibly, but I think the birth of a child is very disruptive and I don't think it's unreasonable for a man to find that hard, as long as he is not just leaving everything to his partner to do and checking out
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:44 PM
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No amount of "respecting women as people" is going to magically spark any interest in others for them I wasn't saying you insinuated otherwise, but the phrasing made it sound like that was the only utility you could see in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:42 PM
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I met a couple of guys who I suspect had read The Game, back in the early 2010s. Their behaviour was so... uncanny? It just didn't fit in at all with how men and women normally interacted where we were. Not sure how it worked out for either of them but I didn't see it work at all. If anything they quickly got reps as creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:41 PM
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I don't think there's bad and good people, because people draw that line with themselves on the side of good and then use that to justify the shitty things they do. Some people do shittier things than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:38 PM
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The blue pill was a made up concept to define the other to red pill, and as such it has no coherent ideology. If you really believed that the red pill would have been loudly supporting abortion rights for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:37 PM
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Why is it OK for men to do crazy shit and not women? Your story about the bride... this is such a PPD cliche but that sounds like a massive outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:36 PM
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Respecting women as human beings is a fundamental to being a decent person, it does not guarantee a relationship, has anyone actually told you that? However the inverse isn't the same; being disrespectful to women can and will put off the sorts of women one might have hoped to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:33 PM
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I've never seen one so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:30 PM
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It's crazy, if you've never met a woman into knitting/crochet/gardening/baking have you really met many?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:30 PM
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There's definitely a whole spectrum. When I say cold approaching I'm thinking at the street level as it were, like on the pavement or in a supermarket. In a cafe with someone you've seen about I'd say is a slightly warmer approach. It's not about whether or not its allowed, but a lot of cold approaches are unwanted and therefore don't work. Where i live anyway cold approaching is really only done by mega creeps or guys who haven't lived here super long.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:25 PM
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It does seem sad but it makes sense to me. Your partner has been the centre of this big thing happening, and then there's a baby and her attention is naturally on keeping it alive and herself in one piece. I do feel sorry for men in that situation, but obviously they need to be able to deal with that situation without giving their partner whose just given birth and is breastfeeding the responsibility of making them feel like they're also a good boy for doing the washing up or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:00 PM
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I suspect a lot of men who do it need jaw surgery for medical reasons. Definitely worth checking first imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:58 PM
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Qoves on youtube
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:57 PM
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Any type of bird tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:57 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:56 PM
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The difference? Being cold approached can be very surprising and unwanted. Chatting to someone who you have mutual friends with or similar in an appropriate context can be exciting. You're more likely to have friends around and it being a relaxed environment. There's such a massive difference between the two. Sure, men are allowed to cold approach. But women are also allowed to be disturbed and unreceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:56 PM
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Lesbianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:49 PM
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In the UK for the most part the bill is split, but most men will insist on getting the first one in. I guess that's nice cos it's a nod to chivalry but without a financial difference. Then when you start dating usually take turns and the guy will pay for the first one. But its not set in stone. We usually just go for pints first few dates though. As for women I guess the same as above. Its not complicated. A relationship doesn't need a leader. That dynamic may work for some but it isn't essentia…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:48 PM
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Your post is full of the grandiose required for narcissism. Thinking your maturity level may be comparable to a man 5 years older than you does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:45 PM
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This feels like a very online view of the world. Where I live there are younger men and boys who are into this stuff but definitely not the older men. I've always opened doors and the like for men, and they do it for me. It's not a big deal. Everyone helps each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:43 PM
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I think of myself as easy going but when I look at myself previous partners there's clearly some preferences I have; 1. No excessive debt or gambling 2. Must be creative in some way 3. Left leaning 4. Good looking 5. Nice hands I feel I meet all of these, at least to the standard that I guess I'd hypothetically date myself. Standards is different. I have the same standards for everyone I know; no bigots, no nonces, no tories, no cozza etc
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:41 PM
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A lot of men struggle with this when its their own kid as well. Think it's another good argument for equal parental leave so both parents can be bonded to the baby and each other. Personally I don't proactively look to date people with kids because I'd find that prioritisation imbalance hard. If you can't handle it don't do it. Not sure why it's always single mothers who get it in the neck about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:38 PM
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They really tell on themselves when they say women have no hobbies. No mate, you're in the personality bottom tier looking at your personalitymatch with disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:35 PM
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Well you're not developing a product. Most people date at that age because they simply want to. For me, a man who had never dated until he wanted a wife wouldn't be for me because he just wouldn't have the necessary experience to build that kind of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:30 PM
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Bless you. Yeah if you're gonna fail you may as well with your boots on I reckon. I don't think there's "someone for everyone" but I also think that giving up is unnecessary. There's an inbetween spot of "I'd like to meet someone and I try and meet people but I have also built a satisfying life single".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:28 PM
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I shouldn't have thought so, I'm English and it's the sort of thing my mum and grandma would say to me as a nipper :) as in, life is short and shit things will come so enjoy being young even with the uncertainty it brings.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:24 PM
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I've met men who would be deemed conventionally attractive who exhibited desperate behaviour and it was entirely unattractive. There's no gaslighting. No one is trying to convince you of a truth that isn't real. They're just saying some men are tryhard and it's off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 04:02 AM
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It's good to get some dating in before you're wanting to get married imo. Your first relationship is tricky to navigate and a lot of people don't want to do that all over again when they're ready for more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:58 AM
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So what's the problem? Go get a girlfriend or don't. I don't know what your friends are doing wrong in your eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:57 AM
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Oh, so it's an insult for a guy being not an incel but in an uncool way? Urgh I'm old.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:08 AM
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I mean, you're the one online telling us about them. Do you call them a coomer to their face? Have you got to know any of their girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:07 AM
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Men protect you largely from other men. It's a net loss for men in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:15 AM
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As a feminist I agree with this red pilled man 😭 also wtf is a coomer? OP you may look down on your friends for making an effort to have sex and relationships, but they're focused on themselves and meeting people and getting what they want, whilst you're online bitching about them doing so. You seem to think that because you lack aspiration to change anything that makes you less desperate. But you're desperate to not fail. Not gonna give some big advice, just saying at least give it all a go pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:14 AM
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You don't have any idea about what women face irt dating. I can absolutely believe that being an average and below average looking man is difficult, but it isn't the oppression Olympics. Women absolutely DO have hobbies. I say this advice because it works. I have seen it time and time again. And I see men and women interacting in this way at third spaces all the time, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can't possibly believe the default response to being hit on is "…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 12:56 AM
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Disagree, abusive men are disproportionately weak, in all the ways weak could be defined. They compensate by being abusive towards a target that they've chosen for this purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:34 AM
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Yes, people of all genders can overly rely on dating apps. You have to be a part of your local community, whatever shape that may take. Regularly attending third spaces where you spontaneously meet people you are already acquainted with such as pubs, clubs, cafes etc. No none of this guarantees dates, but nor do dating apps. I just think if people complain about dating apps but only use them to pursue sex and relationships then they're being a bit passive. You have to drop the quick dopaminergic…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:37 PM
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Is this contextual? Like for where someone lives and also for the sorts of people they want to have sex with or date? For context I'm a woman in my early thirties. I doubt my attributes would be desirable to someone in a particularly different network, but I'd say my SMV is pretty high because I'm pretty, in good shape, good chat and dress well. RMV unclear because I'm not wanting to enter a monogamous LTR, for a lot of people it would be pretty low because I have some mental and physical health…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:38 PM
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Pregnancy is vulnerable state for a woman, a man who loves her wouldn't want to put her through all that pain and suffering. This is so funny from someone who seems... woman sceptical. Almost radfem vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:25 PM
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They said could, not probably. And you're not correct. Women's abuse often has "what about men" added on in conversation. But men on reddit have decided that this is not just a general thing, but a gendered phenomena which men do not participate in. There's nothing untoward about discussing that assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:21 PM
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So you need all women to have the exact same desires and communicate it in simple terms in order to listen to them? Life is not as simple as that, if you can't learn to understand people at the individual level then that's honestly just a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:38 PM
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Sometimes people become over reliant on apps for a few reasons, so as advice I think it's more about saying to break that. If you're disconnected from your local community, don't have a strong network or group of friends, transplant to the city, work from home, live alone etc. Then dating apps are of course going to be crucial to you have a dating life. But I think you need to work on the aforementioned things in all the usual ways, which will necessitate redirecting some time and energy from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:20 PM
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Pretty sure whenever feminists talk about grooming standards these same men flip this entirely. I don't think there's a particularly consistent mansophere position on this other than "women bad". I'm not sure what the deception is either, is the idea that you only look how you do in the morning first thing? In that case wouldn't brushing your teeth be lying? Does that mean things like plastic surgery are more noble because they're permanent? I'd say I'm pretty attractive, so its pleasant for me …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:17 PM
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As a bisexual I can merrily confirm that human beings are in general absolutely batty, but that there's a lot of good eggs out there in all walks of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:12 PM
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This seems like a dangerous viewpoint. I take what anyone says they want at face value, its an important part of respecting other peoples boundaries and consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:11 PM
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Dating in your twenties is hard. In my experience people change so much during that time and are learning what they want. I wouldn't say that's specific to the women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:09 PM
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I know right, it's not some gotcha that women want a little of this and a little of that. Its not unreasonable to want neither a robot or whimsical smackhead.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:07 PM
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Where I live it's always (in my lifetime) been a weirdo move to hit on women at the street level (bus stop, supermarket etc) but totally acceptable in third spaces (pub, venue, wedding etc). I do agree that a lack of third spaces has a serious impact on community building and social interactions which of course includes romantic relationships. I think that whilst it cannot be pleasant to worry about being made fun of, nearly every woman has had some kind of creepy behaviour from men. It's worse …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:56 AM
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I think we can choose to rise above our simple biology, which is even supported by our biology. We have the most amount of knowledge learnt after birth, the longest relative infancy, are adaptable and form complicated societal structures. I think the red pill often tries to play this debate off on both sides and come up with some quite logically inconsistent arguments at points. I'm not really sure how one can manifest having people chase after you either. The only reason it happens to me is jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:48 AM
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When have women said they want a man who follows a playbook? I certainly don't, beyond respecting me as a fellow human being I prefer someone who acts with their own mind. Whether or not that leads to a lasting relationship is another matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:42 AM
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I think there's a difference between presentation and telling falsehoods. I think it's a bit shitty and wouldn't be happy to know that someone I respected had done it, but it's more pathetic than immoral to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:40 AM
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Well if you're just talking about a shag, sure perhaps. There's more fat men than women mind. Maybe women need to start saying "just don't be fat" on here like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 09:07 PM
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thinking men with opinions like yours are weak betas That isn't my opinion or preference though? Yes of course people can judge my preferences. I don't come online to bitch about it though. I guess the difference is I have preferences and people who meet them who I'm interested in are interested in me a lot of the time. I guess a lot of men on here have preferences but people who meet them aren't interested in them so they come online to moan about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:37 PM
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Yes but women being short doesn't make men shorter
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:33 PM
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Well if that's how you wish to spend your finite time on earth that's up to you, bon appetite I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:32 PM
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But he's deluded, aside from the junk science that is looksmatch, a woman that ranks that lowly has no one saying a man that good looking is her looksmatch. More men pull better looking than they are than women do, but again, it's because men are less good at grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:31 PM
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There's a lot of comments all over the Internet slagging short women. If you didn't find any in your quick short so be it, jm not going to waste my time. I've never said that anyone should be forced to date anyone. Just that they can't expect not to be judged for it. I've said to rule out a whole group regarding a phenomena you contribute to is hypocrisy. I'm sure most porn actors date men who've watched porn. Not wanting to date someone whose a fan, and in a workplace situation no less, is quit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:12 PM
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Sure, I absolutely don't believe there's a level playing field. I do think that if you're a guy whose struggling to court women that the absolutely least logical option would be spend your time online bitching about women. Definitely not the solution focused gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:02 PM
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Just search short woman on reddit. The bile froths. Your example has an entirely different mechanism, I'm not sure what you mean. A pornographic actor hasn't said they hate people who consume their media? How does that even follow?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:00 PM
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Sure. Doesn't detract from childless women specifically though. Which demographic is most likely to become Mozart then? Completely irrelevant point to the discussion at hand. The preferences of single mothers have no bearing on childless women. Different groups so again irrelevant. Yes relationships come and go, but the bonds of patriarchy do not making relationships more stable. Of single childless women there will be lots who are polyamourous, queer, community minded, career minded etc. Lots o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:58 PM
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Yeah just think people talk shit on here a lot about women, but most of the time it's from shut ins who aren't actually basing it on anything other than what other shut ins have written online.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:52 PM
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Plain wrong. Short women get told that all the time. It absolutely is. To hate a phenomena which you are yourself contributing to is to lack integrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:50 PM
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This is why we need to stop treating women badly for sleeping around. Women aren't giving something up by sleeping with someone. That mentality is the underlining of this problem. I say problem, it does not impact me in the slight, but there's a lot of men on here complaining about women not wanting to have sex with them as quickly as they would an attractive man, whllst also denigrating women who do sleep around. Men have created a situation which harms them, and women are choosing to opt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:01 PM
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Sure. Is this really an epidemic? It's really not a thing where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:58 PM
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I wouldn't be into it, same as I wouldn't for a woman who had this. Some selfies is fine obviously but you've described someone who sounds quite insecure and with shit chat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:58 PM
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Yeah feel like people on here demand unbridled acceptance of their preferences. You're free to have preferences, same as we are free to say they're cringe and gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:55 PM
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Whose said men's legs are gross? Istg you lot are making things up to be upset about. I've never heard that in my life. looking the other way after looking at a woman so as to make it look like he did not exhibit any curiosity Curiosity in this context is such an immature word to use. But also why do I need to give it a slither of thought? Oh you covered up that you oogled? All the things you've mentioned are just basic etiquette and decorum. That's part of being an adult. You don't get an asspa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:49 PM
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Most men I've met certainly could attract a woman, the issue was whether they could attract a woman they wanted to be with and vice versa. I don't think fault is the right word here either. Its not a man's fault, but it's not anyone else's either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:45 PM
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I don't give a fuck about other people's "standards" really. I have preferences and needs myself, I'd consider them too high if I couldn't get the types of relationships I wanted with the people I wanted. If you have a laundry list but an empty chair next to you, your standards may be too high for what you're offering.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:43 PM
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So true bestie, too many men dont put any effort into their looks, style or even hygiene. Luckily there's options other than shacking up with some ugly loser man these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:42 PM
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Agreed. If you think promiscuous sex for women is bad, then if you're having casual sex with women whilst waiting for a good girl to marry then you're a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:40 PM
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That's so sad. Dating you must be a little dreadful for the women involved if that's the case. I couldn't ever date someone if i looked down on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:45 PM
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Loafers are somehow worse though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:27 PM
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You need to see men on dating apps then
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:49 AM
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I think you're assuming that men have a greater tolerance for women's vulnerability than vice versa which I disagree with. I don't see men tending to women with as much emotional care as the other way around at all. If you dont want to open up to any woman you're dating then you can't be surprised if when you do she reacts badly because by definition you've chosen to be with a woman who wants to be with a stoic type. Sometimes you're vulnerable with someone and then they use that against you... …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:25 PM
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I don't think it's about interests so much as lifestyles. Presumably with your friends you all have compatible lifestyles and values, even if there's variety. Some groups of friends like to party, some game, some hike etc. Not that there can't be overlap but most people aren't able to form deep friendships with absolutely everyone. With relationships it's the same. I don't expect to date someone with the same hobbies as me. But I'd want them to at least be able to hold a small amount of chat wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:22 PM
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In what specific ways that it's affecting them do you mean? I'm happy for someone to open up to me but we all need boundaries. Sometimes people want more emotional support than you can give them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:16 PM
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Yeah that makes sense, I think with language we all interpret these words with a slightly different perspective :) but I do think overall that the bits about women wanting a vulnerable man is mask and then it slips doesn't ring true to me tbh. Considering how men more often seem to prefer to opening up to women then men. I've had multiple men tell me this irl, that they feel their friendships with women are deeper than with men because they're able to connect on a deeper emotional level. This is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:08 PM
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I think mask is the wrong word for what you're describing, it's public and private layers of the self.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:29 AM
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You dating boring women only says things about you. I'd say most women have a lot of hobbies, but yeah the kind of woman that dates a red piller I imagine less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:27 AM
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Whose the beggar?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:24 AM
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I hear this a lot online, never heard a man complain about it irl and I've obviously heard men complain about women. I kind of think it's a thing men say to each other online and start to freak each other out about. I've seen all my exes cry and it didn't make me think less of any of them. One of them was a self described crier and we were both very relaxed and fine about that. It seems like men making noises in bed; I've seen men online say they're worried about it but I've just never seen any …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:20 PM
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Feminist thought predates the CIA, and the USA in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:16 PM
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I agree. Most men aren't worth my time irt dating and sex. I wouldn't say it's easy for the men who I do want though, I prefer to do the chasing in that case and simply tap them on the shoulder. Easy simply means one can gain access with minimum onstacle, but I'm not the object.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:16 PM
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That's just not at all true. I feel really sorry for you if that's what you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:59 PM
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Sorry didn't have time, busy greasing my strap.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:58 PM
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That just says that strength is the most popular trait, not that there's no women who don't like cat boys. And yes I'd love to see the earth as spherical. Naturally I know it to be so, but I always cherish the opportunity for further evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:44 PM
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No you just have a bias, and the only evidence you have is the bias itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:38 PM
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Input/output is the basic loop of systems thinking, of which video games is I suppose a low hanging fruit for comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:37 PM
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Your post is inconsistent. You're saying that women don't care for a vulnerable partner, and yet you also say that women have a mask on? Sounds like it's you that doesn't find it OK for women to be vulnerable
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:51 PM
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Do you spend genuine time with those sorts of women though? If you're a redpiller I can't imagine that you're crossing paths.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:49 PM
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I didn't say they wouldn't? I'm saying being a billionaire doesn't mean that the company of someone you love is something you wouldn't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:47 PM
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Thays your perspective, which has formed your philosophy, and then shapes your own reality. My life is not a video game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:46 PM
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I'm talking connection, not traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:44 PM
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No matter how rich someone is, good company with someone can be an addition. The love of a family isn't the same as the love of someone you wake up next to. If its not for you that's your prerogative but it just seems a bit dead behind the eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:16 AM
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A life is not there to be completed, this is not a video game. Someone's companionship and sharing good times isn't because you have a box to be ticked. I'm honestly interested if you genuinely perceive the world this way, or if it's an exaggeration for Internet purposes. It seems like such a cold way to experience life so I'm curious if it's a choice or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:01 AM
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I don't think it's shallow at all. I'm only going to date someone I'm attracted to. The key is to be open minded about what they would specifically look like. Yes I can look at my past dating history and spot a couple of features that have repeated, but I deciding you have a type limits your choices and also keeps your attraction based on the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:58 AM
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If your whole friendship group only knows women with shit chat, then you're the men with the shit chat. There's plenty men and women who vibe along but if it's not your circle then that says only something about you, and not an entire gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:56 AM
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I think the question is oxymoronic; to be vulnerable means to risk one's safety. Sometimes people show themselves to be someone who can't be trusted, and then you just have to move accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:53 AM
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As a woman I'd say the struggle is finding men that are good looking enough with good chat and compatible vibes. I'm not looking for something long term, so if all those aren't checked it's just not of interest to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:51 AM
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I'm not deflecting the question, the semantic difference has a material impact which is what I was commenting on. There was no deflection, its a conversation. That means some people will have views that challenge yours. You saying that is deflection seems rich, you seem upset I've not met the group think, whilst not even knowing the basic definitions of the words involved. Problematic behaviours are HARMFUL. People end relationships all the time for non red flag reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:07 PM
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Its not. A red flag is a serious sign of problematic behaviour, an ick is NON problematic behaviour. They are not synonyms but it makes more sense now why you found this confusing. Do have fun googling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:56 PM
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No, abuse as an ick is what the OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 11:12 AM
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No the question wasn't about red flags, it specifically asked about icks and I did not find that premise one of good faith and spoke accordingly. If that has upset you that's a you problem really.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 11:12 AM
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That's an huge leap. Questioning a premise is itself a part of healthy debate, I have not shut anything down through deflection. It's not a mystery why someone would be abusive? It is to me because I don't see a function in it. If it was so obvious I think you'd have just said it in your response though, instead of "Questioning abusers motives is shutting down questions about victims motives being abused!" Lmao I don't mind debating people whose views are different to mine but that's just wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:15 AM
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Oh that's a fun present. My ex made me a really nice crispy chilli crunch at Christmas, was such a nice present cos there's a lot of process that goes into that. I've also got a few pieces of vintage homeware in my taste from various friends and they're lovely cos they were chosen because of.my specific tastes and I think of them when I use them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:24 PM
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The quality of a person absolutely does matter to women, but its not quite as simple a question to ask someone you've just met as what their job is. Do you feel that women do not have the same rich inner life as yourself? I find that sort of worldview so strange; how can you determine the perception of another person? Your whole argument is about not defining manhood in relation to women, and yet to define your class of humanity as man is to still be reacting to women... if you really felt like …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:20 PM
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This is a good approach. For me I do like to receive thoughtful gifts from loved ones because the thought that goes into it and thinking about what you'd like is sweet, but it definitely doesn't need to be extravagant, if I want a new laptop I'll just buy that. Handmade gifts and experiences are top notch.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:16 PM
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Foraging, sports, playing music, cycling, discussing books, gardening
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:12 PM
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A lot of men on here talk about what it's like for unattractive men to be attracted to attractive women and the scorn that they show. That may be the case, but I do think the opposite can also be true. I have no issue with anyone (within reason) being attracted to me if they're respectful about it, but I've had a couple of interactions with men where they seem genuinely angry at me for them being attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:11 PM
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I don't trust men with trees tbh. Poor tree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:07 PM
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Except your own post is evidence to the counter of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:07 PM
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For me it's more about compatible lifestyles and finding activities to share together. Hobbies can be one of those, but I wouldn't count things like cooking a meal together or going for a walk as hobbies, those are just regular activities that can have romance blossom in them. I go to lots of local events so I'd probably enjoy being with someone who liked to attend some of the same events, but again that's more lifestyle and interests. Personally I like when you can both be getting on with your …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:04 PM
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Ick is a loose term but it's specifically about the more superficial points that make up attraction. A lot of abusers are incredibly manipulative. Maybe you should be asking why someone would do that to anyone, let alone someone they were in a relationship with, rather than questioning whether women who find small things off-putting deserve to be abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:01 PM
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Bangmaid means that the man she is attached to only sees her value in her sexual and domestic labour/output, and there is a lack of emotional and romantic connection as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:34 PM
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It's going to vary so much by country, social class, subculture, sexuality etc. Your examples are really skewed towards your personal lived experience and I don't think mine would make much sense to you either. I suppose to break it down status is about prominence within a certain network, but more specifically than that whilst remaining universally applicable is hard to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:32 PM
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I do not see sex, including casual sex, as a sin. People have sex, and it is good that unwanted pregnancies can be terminated. This absolutely benefits cishet men just as much as anyone else, and it's cutting your nose off despite your face for rp to claim otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:29 PM
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Abortion is a medical term. My point is that women gaining the bodily autonomy to be able to make their own healthcare decisions does not diminish any rights that men had. You are positioning abortion as a question of escaping responsibility, I am saying that it is a healthcare matter, and matters of child support should be kept separate from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:46 PM
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I'm in my early thirties and think I look it, sometimes people think I'm a lot younger but it's honestly just them not realising that women my age can look like this. Personally I don't mind ageing too much because I think I look better than I used to, but I'll be getting a splash of filler at some point I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:08 PM
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I don't really care about money too much, they need to not have lots of debts and can't be a gambler. Just someone who I could build an equal relationship with. As for status I'd like to say I don't care but I've often dated local musicians and whilst it's largely because I've just gotten on well with them as people on a deeper level, I'm sure there's some attraction to someone being popular for something they do well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:06 PM
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No worries, I agree that fat women also have their admirers, although I think that the variety of women's preferences isn't well understood so don't think fat men have as much praise for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:04 PM
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Abortion only gives those with uteruses the ability to control whether or not to continue a pregnancy. It has not taken away a right men had before. In fact I would argue that men benefit from abortion, I think it likely that if a pregnancy is unwanted by a woman that there is a high likelihood the father also does not want it it. When a group of people receive a right to healthcare, that does not mean another group needs to receive a financial benefit in order to make it fair. It's about creati…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:03 PM
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Men online criticise women for being fat, getting older, having children, not having children, being single, being in a relationship with a low quality man, being in a relationship with a high quality man, having a career, being a housewife, being queer, not conforming to beauty standards, smoking, being tattooed, being from the west, having sex, not enjoying sex, not having sex, drinking wine, owning cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 02:01 PM
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The question is about receiving hate online, fat women get it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:59 PM
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I agree, so much of it is about interpersonal skills and learning how to connect with others. If you struggle with that whilst getting angry at others for leaning on their feelings too much when discussing relationships, maybe the issue is you see only see relationships in mechanical terms and that doesn't allow you to forge a genuine connection with others. Connection is a key part of attraction imo, whether its imagined or real.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:54 PM
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Sometimes the attraction just isn't there. It doesn't mean that person can't see anything dateable about them. If you spend your time fretting about how if you were this or that more you'd get that person to like you, you'll only hurt yourself in the long run. This is hard won wisdom for me, don't let yourself go down that path. Fwiw Henry cavill is not at all my type and I'd turn him down 😅 ok maybe I'd go on one date for the story but other than that no doesn't do it for me. There's not one li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:52 PM
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Agreed, I've got friends who have types that are not at all my cup of tea. The idea women's preferences for men's are only shallow reskinning of the same base man is not true because its just conflating media and cultural portrayals of ideal male looks with what women actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:47 PM
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Just pictures of them hanging out? I wouldn't ask them to delete those.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:44 PM
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Perhaps, or perhaps you didn't read th conversation properly before butting in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:05 PM
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You're taking my phrasing too literally. I replied to a comment saying the only reason for men to be better looking is because women only want men for social capital, and my response is simply to indicate that women prefer better looking men for sexual reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 11:55 PM
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Exactly, so the point of being better looking is that more people will find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 11:23 PM
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No it's simply nicer having sex with someone you're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:06 PM
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All the men that I've talked to have had mums who talked to them about all sorts including dating and relationships. Of course they didn't discuss hypergamy because this is in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:53 PM
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You seem angry and resentful at a hypothetical woman for being angry at something. I'm a woman with complex ptsd, and I do not need the details of someone's trauma but if I were to start a partnership with someone I would want us both to have shared enough about those sorts of things that we could both be emotionally safe. I hope you can get to a place where you are able to do that with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:43 PM
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Why on earth would I want a man to commit to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:36 PM
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It still doesn't disprove anything if you're just talking about baseline level fitness which is the same standard for women I see on here all the time I.e. don't be fat and do a bit of exercise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:03 PM
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Whose telling those lies? Who goes around claiming to be the visual gender? And yes women do find lots of types attractive, within a wider context if beauty norms, same as men with women, and same sex attraction too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:57 PM
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Its because they're saying bodybuilding isn't attractive. Anyone skinny fit hitting the gym will look more conventionally attractive after. You're talking about two different things. Personally I tend to like lean men, definitely not the same as a dad bod.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:55 PM
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There is simply not enough good looking, non creepy guys with good chat for a casual shag. Truly praying I can slag it up this summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:29 PM
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Most ugly men could be better looking, but most don't have friends who know how to help them or are just as lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:20 PM
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I don't see the merit in your argument, because who are you to say an entire gender has never felt genuine care for anyone of the opposite gender? I suppose your circumstances have led you to hope that's the case because then it would make the experiences you've had as inevitable and structural. Heartbreak happens to us all though, all walks of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:50 PM
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Some women do porn and are dominant in bed, yawn. The court of public opinion just doesn't care about this shit. If you want to go look for men calling women pigs I'm sure you'll find more content than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:47 PM
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In real life I meet men all the time who are too desperate, and it also comes across a lot on dating apps too. That desperation makes someone look less physically attractive to me, and it tends to have an impact on the way they present themselves too, especially on dating apps where you have only scraps of them as a person to judge them on. You would think that being good looking would mean a man will therefore not to desperate but it doesn't work like that. In reality men can have unattractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:45 PM
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