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| 73 | In a society with a strict "all genders are equal" ideology, women's rights turn into a fight for traditional gender roles. | Social Issues | Diffident-Dissident | /r/MensRights | 29/01/16 02:12 PM |
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| 31 | MRAs use misleading statisticsI have some stats on homicides relating to this for the UK. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1088767912461786 This article reports results of a study identifying and analyzing the 17 homicides (from a total 696 recorded non-terrorist homicides) committed as part of organized crime in England and Wales in 2005-2006 So about 2.5% of homicides are from organised crime. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales Us… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/24 04:01 PM |
| 3 | Question: does MRA ever protestThere is the ICMI (International Conference on Mens Issues) that is a yearly thing where people from the MRM get together with various talks from different people. You just missed it this year (they did it online this year), but if you are interested in that, here is the link. Like I said, there are not a lot of protests going on, as they are just ignored. People generally know about the issues (eg. they know someone who has gone through a bad divorce, they pass homeless people on the streets, e… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/20 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Question: does MRA ever protestWhere I am (UK), there are the Fathers4Justice protests, beginning in the mid-2000s, which included marches, flour-bombing the prime minister in the House of Commons, and breaking into and taking banners to the roofs of famous buildings, like Buckingham Palace, etc. I know in the US, there are the bloodstained men protests, that tackle circumcision, which is a much larger issue over there. Nothing has happened though - no laws have been changed (if anything, they have gone the other way). Ultima… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/20 09:56 PM |
| 10 | What do you guys think of /r/MensLib?Of course, we both want the same end goal, but here we worry that feminism is part of the problem in reaching it, particularly in the realms of domestic violence (eg. Erin Pizzey and the Duluth model) and fatherhood (eg. NOW being against shared parenting and for lifetime alimony), and so we speak out against feminism to try to decrease the influence of feminist ideology in these areas. Another difference is that generally on here, we like freedom of speech and discussion. We have very few rules… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/16 11:34 AM |
| 4 | Where do I find the Women's Soccer EEOC filing?Here | /r/MensRights | 05/04/16 12:45 AM |
| 1 | I've a few questions for you guysI believe in the legal and social freedom to choose. There was obviously something in our history (biological, evolutionary, social, etc.) that brought about these roles, and so I'm not going to shame anyone if they choose their traditional role, but it's when these roles are hard-coded into law and social interactions when things start getting nasty. I think the pay gap is the one that is widely used to show sexism that the majority of people here would dispute whether it is caused by discrimin… | /r/MensRights | 31/03/16 10:58 PM |
| 1 | Can we please introduce a "Legal Abortion" flair?can you ever morally force a woman to give birth if she does not want to? I don't think forcing a woman to give birth is ever morally right. I have the same stance with abortions as well. There are ways to unilaterally take on responsibility for a child that negates any reason why you would want to force a woman to give birth, namely adoption or surrogacy. What do you suggest bearing in mind both men and women lie, both change their minds I think a solution like financial abortion in which no-on… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/16 01:03 AM |
| 5 | Can we please introduce a "Legal Abortion" flair?it is men that get women pregnant! They are both having sex. They are both committing genetic material. They both have contraceptive options. Therefore aren't they both getting the woman pregnant. I would like to hear your reasoning on how only the man is responsible for a pregnancy. I know condoms are not great and a vasectomy is quite permanent but if a guy does not want a kid, can he not pull out before the final act or wear a condom? You said it yourself - condoms aren't great and can still … | /r/MensRights | 13/03/16 10:21 PM |
| 2 | Is domestic violence against men increasing? The number of women convicted for domestic violence rose by 30% in the year to April 2015, from 3,735 to 4,866.This case is another in the sad catalogue of violent repressive relationships that seem to rob the victim of their power or ability to stop the violence. And is also why I am against the idea that only men use power and control in IPV (à la the Duluth model). It marks an upward trend - the number of convictions involving female perpetrators is now six times higher than it was ten years ago. Chairman Mark Brooks said: "The increase is primarily because of better reporting and the police believing… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/16 01:23 AM |
| 7 | What is toxic masculinity?It's part of patriarchy theory. Rather than saying "Patriarchy disadvantages men", a lot of feminists tend to use the term toxic masculinity, due to their view that the patriarchy is only perpetuated by men (therefore "men disadvantage men"). It is commonly used as an excuse for why there aren't many male DV shelters (men want to be seen to be strong, therefore men don't want to go into DV shelters, so no DV shelters are created for them), or the overwhelming numbers of male suicides (men want t… | /r/MensRights | 29/02/16 02:34 PM |
| 29 | That's rich... women decline to date men who earn less - however good lookingMy opinion is that you should always split. Dates are meant to be beneficial for both people - if one of them feels they need to be compensated just for dating the other, then they shouldn't be going. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/16 01:24 PM |
| 13 | [Meta] This is why I wish people would stop using archive.is links when posting hereI think the advantages of using a website capture site (not providing ad revenue for click-baity articles we disagree with, preserving the link if the original is deleted) outweigh the disadvantages. Putting the source in the title is a good idea though (but it will significantly increase the lengths of the titles). | /r/MensRights | 26/02/16 05:42 PM |
| 3 | Abuse victimsI think the difference is trying to use accusations for personal gain or revenge. As far as I know, Matthew Santoro didn't have any reasons to make a false accusation and seek to (and generally didn't) personally gain anything from revealing his story - he wasn't using it as leverage in a court or as revenge, it was him simply telling a story . Therefore, his video was well received on here and in many other communities. Ke$ha did seek to gain something from the accusation (she was using it a wa… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/16 03:36 PM |
| 3 | I Need Help/Advice/Different OpinionsAlthough she should know from your reaction, I would go to her and tell her that you feel uncomfortable about this and that you don't want it to happen again. If you have a HR department, I would also go to them and tell them about it. They should give you more advice and start investigating and questioning your boss. If she continues to do it after you told her, and the HR department does nothing/you don't have one, then either try to contact her boss about it, or, if she is at/near the top or … | /r/MensRights | 26/02/16 11:10 AM |
| 1 | My message and why I think this sub has strayed from its original purpose.So the /r/MensRights subreddit should not contain antifeminism, even if it is a widely held stance within the community? You could then argue that no subreddit should post their own views, because then it is just "preaching to the choir". The purpose of posting antifeminist views is not to convince people who already support the MRM (they have already been convinced that the MRM is needed), but to show those who might come here who have read those "buzzfeed and feminist articles or even Facebook… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/16 05:03 PM |
| 5 | What would it take for you to be at peace with feminism?Personally, if it let go of its common dogmatic beliefs, such as patriarchy theory, the victimhood of women, gender as purely social construct, etc. then I think that would get rid of the worst effects of modern feminism and facilitate discussion enough that I would "be at peace" with feminism. Essentially this would bring feminism back in line with the 2nd wave feminist movement, which is what I, and a few other people who are anti-3rd-wave-feminism (eg. Erin Pizzey, Christina Hoff Sommers, War… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/16 01:04 AM |
| 18 | My message and why I think this sub has strayed from its original purpose.Have you considered that speaking out against radical feminism throughout social media is helping mens rights? The feminist movement has got a monopoly on discussions on gender equality within mass media and in everyday society, with any ideas presented outside of the feminist perspective often being labelled as misogynistic, sexist, etc. This has allowed them to push through a lot of laws and other social structures that they believe is the right course of action. The MRM is generally against t… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/16 10:46 PM |
| 15 | I am a feministI am an MRA. I also believe in equality of the sexes. Now, do you have any questions for us? | /r/MensRights | 21/02/16 01:07 AM |
| 11 | Would you be willing to label yourself something different if you knew that would be the best way for you to achieve Men's Rights?The name of the MRM is not important to me - the ideas are. Whether the MRM existed (with its current name or a different one) or not, I would still be for greater reproductive rights for men, against infant circumcision, etc. and would support any groups that pushed for these. It's just that the MRM has encapsulated all these ideals into a single movement, and I therefore identify with it. Saying that changing the name of the MRM would erase the idea that mens rights in general is not misogynis… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/16 03:33 PM |
| 8 | This tho.The MRM has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties. Its battles are for equality in benefits and responsibility of parenting, equal help for DV victims, equality in courts, help for the homeless, greater reproductive rights for men ... If someone says "Oh, I'm not an MRA", I ask "Why? What's your problem?" -/u/Diffident-Dissident | /r/MensRights | 17/02/16 10:56 PM |
| 30 | Why do you feel so threatened by feminism?Here are some points where feminists or feminist theory has gone against equality or mens rights: The Duluth Model The Duluth Model was developed in the early 1980s as a domestic violence program, with the main difference from the rest being that it was developed around the idea of feminist patriarchy : that men use power and control to abuse their wives. They justify their power and control wheels being gendered by saying they think that men's violence is socially reinforced, whereas women's vi… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/16 02:31 PM |
| 8 | Questions about MRA/MRMHere are some points where feminists or feminist theory has gone against equality or mens rights: The Duluth Model The Duluth Model was developed in the early 1980s as a domestic violence program, with the main difference from the rest being that it was developed around the idea of feminist patriarchy : that men use power and control to abuse their wives. Their power and control wheels are gendered because they think that men's violence is socially reinforced, whereas women's violence is seen as… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/16 12:37 AM |
| 17 | John Green examines the question, "Is the Gender Pay Gap Real?"He makes a good analysis, but there are some points that I would like to make. 1.Studies that show an "unexplained pay gap" don't take into account every single variable that there might be. This is just the gap remaining when you take into account things that can be statistically accounted for, but there are things that are hard or impossible to objectively put a value on. It is difficult to objectively put a definite value to a person's work - 2 people working in the same industry/occupation a… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/16 11:48 PM |
| 3 | Have been asked to write an article on domestic violence against men for a high end family law firm.Although it hasn't been around long outside the US (it was developed in the US) to significantly change laws and ideas, it does appear in other countries, including the UK. The Duluth Model approach to tackling violence against women has inspired violence protection law implementation, development of CCRs and the creation of policies and protocols in the United States and around the world, including in countries such as Austria, Germany, the United Kingdom, Romania, and Australia (Source) | /r/MensRights | 02/02/16 12:56 PM |
| 8 | There is no gender symmetry when it comes to domestic violence - This article is so misleading and one sided you almost thought you were reading an Onion farceJust to give a measure of how one-sided this is, out of the two studies/surveys included on there, they decided to dismiss official government statistics with a sample size of 25000 (they stated 1900 which, as far as I know is false) and defend the one with a sample size of 19 (of only women) done by the Womens Abuse Council of Toronto. This is just crazy. | /r/MensRights | 02/02/16 01:29 AM |
| 3 | Saw this on Facebook. As far as I know no one died fighting for the women to vote.Your right in thinking that voting rights were not very high up on men's priorities at the time, but it wasn't the Suffragettes or the Suffragists that ultimately changed the voting system in the UK (there is some evidence (eg. newspapers and cartoons from that time) that the Suffragettes may have hampered women's suffrage - they were commonly described as militant), it was the men as a group who proved themselves by fighting and dying for their country, and the women as a group who proved thems… | /r/MensRights | 30/01/16 02:39 AM |
| 237 | Saw this on Facebook. As far as I know no one died fighting for the women to vote.Whereas, at least in the UK, men did die for the right to vote. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/16 02:21 PM |
| 2 | Quick and easy tip to protect yourself from a false rape allegationI'm just making sure people know the legal consequences of something that might seem to be innocent, or even based on common sense, to them. I wouldn't give the OP's advice to everyone, but for those who feel they are a greater risk of false accusations might see the legal risk of recording as necessary. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/16 09:33 PM |
| 1 | Quick and easy tip to protect yourself from a false rape allegationSo would I, but US courts are not required to take into account evidence that has been collected illegally. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/16 07:42 PM |
| 4 | Quick and easy tip to protect yourself from a false rape allegationNote than in some countries and in some US states that one-party audio recording is illegal (that is, audio recording without consent from both people in the conversation), and so they can file a civil lawsuit against you if they catch you. The US states where this is illegal are California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and Washington State. (Source) | /r/MensRights | 28/01/16 07:11 PM |
| 2 | Why does the MRA focus most of its time attacking women, instead of focusing on actually gender/men's issues?We don't attack women. We try to focus on gender/men's issues, but it is feminists who deny it by attacking us. Evidence: Erin Pizzey : in the 1970s she opened the world's first womens DV shelter in Chiswick, London. After she noticed that many of the women who came to her shelter were themselves as violent or more violent than the men they were leaving, and therefore wanted to create a mens shelter as well, feminists attacked her to the point where she fled the country. She is now a prominent a… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/16 03:42 PM |
| 4 | Canadian feminists block creation of on campus center to provide counselling and support for men.The Ryerson student newspaper gives more info on this story, as well as who was involved in both sides of the decision. It is available here. Story on page 5. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/16 03:06 PM |
| 3 | Canadian feminists block creation of on campus center to provide counselling and support for men.Here (page 5) It is the student newspaper of the university. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/16 02:58 PM |
| 11 | Isn't the feminization of the education system simply a result of male choice?Absolutely. We can't force men to go into education as we can't force women into other fields (although they shouldn't be dissuaded from going into education either, through, for example, accusations of pedophilia; but that is another subject...). The problem comes with teachers (particularly female teachers) treating female students better than the male students (eg. higher marks for the same ability). This is what we want to get rid of in order to give everyone an equal opportunity to educatio… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/16 04:48 PM |
| 4 | Attacked and ridiculed for stating men are subject to domestic violenceThere's this site : In this unprecedented undertaking, a total of 42 scholars and 70 research assistants at 20 universities and research institutions spent two years or more researching their topics and writing the results. Approximately 12,000 studies were considered and more than 1,700 were summarized and organized into tables. The 17 manuscripts, which provide a review of findings on each of the topics, for a total of 2,657 pages, appear in 5 consecutive special issues of Partner Abuse publis… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/16 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Question about teaching men not to rapeMy opinion comes from the difference between sending all (male) refugees to these classes, and only sending the ones who show "danger signs" that could potentially lead to violence and rape. From your links, I couldn't see any definite outlining of who goes to these classes (whether it is purely voluntary, whether they get sent there by officials, or whether they are making it mandatory for all new (male) refugees). If the courses were either voluntary or mandatory only for those who show "dange… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/16 11:43 AM |
| 7 | How to fix "rape culture": Teach women to not throw their babies in the dumpsterLike you, a lot of MRAs have no idea it exists. That said, recently this sub has been getting into posting the most popular (stickied) posts from MRActivism here (example, example) to try to get more people into activism for the MRM. I agree with you that this sub has got quite a lot of angry posts about feminism, but that's what happens when people advertise to the world that the MRM is about misogyny : it will attract a lot of misogynists here, and the actions of the few who actually care abou… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/16 06:27 PM |
| 12 | How to fix "rape culture": Teach women to not throw their babies in the dumpsterAbsolutely. It's because there is another sub specifically for that: /MRActivism. As for going against feminism, why not? In some cases, it is feminists or feminist ideas that put blocks on the rights of men and boys. For example, in a lot of countries the feminist idea of the patriarchy has led to a popular model of domestic violence : the Duluth Model. This model says that men commit domestic violence to control their partners as direct support for patriarchy. Even their own website says that … | /r/MensRights | 07/01/16 04:26 PM |
| 1 | NPR: UAB sociologist Adrienne Milner says male only sports teams need to end because sex segregation promotes inferiority of women, patriarchy, and "like race, [biological] sex isn't real". Women's only "sports spaces" should persist because women shouldn't be forced to play on teams with men.“We look at race as a social construction. It is not genetic, it is not biological, and we believe the same is [true] for sex … The male-female dichotomy doesn’t cover everyone, right? We have trans people, intersex people.” She is really badly mixing up sex and gender. Sex is genetic, it is biological. It is gender that is not necessarily biological, but a person's sex has a huge impact on their gender. The male-female dichotomy does cover everyone that doesn't have a genetic defect. Intersex c… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/16 12:51 PM |
| 5 | How Reddit took on its own users – and won. And we get a mention along with some other really awful subreddits - "Among the many unsavoury communities on Reddit are a number of virulently misogynist groups, from the men’s rights movement…"The idea of freedom is not the people at the top dictating what the people at the bottom can say or do. It is also not the people at the bottom dictating what the people at the top can say or do. It is giving every person control over their own lives, and giving everyone a voice. Reddit in general gives everyone this freedom. You can say whatever you want up to the point where it is illegal. The attack on communities that don't fit into your world view is not a win. It is an outright attack on f… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/15 02:36 PM |
| 29 | TIL that multiple studies found that up to 90% of rape accusations are FalseI would not be confident in using the Stewart study as any kind of proof of high numbers of false rape accusations, no matter what definitions and methods they used. The sample size is way too low (only 18 cases were studied). This article does quite a good job of summing up the problems with any study on false rape accusations, and criticizes some specific studies on the subject. No matter what the actual numbers are, I am absolutely against crazy people who believe that they understand statist… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/15 01:48 PM |
| 2 | I think I have I found something MRAs and Feminists have in common!I have provided a link that shows that at least MRAs on reddit generally are all for letting male refugees in if female refugees are let in, and I can't find any opposing opinions on this, so I will say again that I will need some evidence of opposing opinions to back up your claim. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/15 11:03 AM |
| 11 | Talk about gender-neutral language double standards...This is all part of the Duluth Model. They just copied the image from the official site. They even go to direct sexism when they say that the Duluth Model "prioritizes the voices and experiences of women who experience battering in the creation of those policies and procedures" The reason they give for the wheels not being gender-neutral is: When women use violence in an intimate relationship, the context of that violence tends to differ from men. First, men’s use of violence against women is le… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/15 10:56 AM |
| 3 | I think I have I found something MRAs and Feminists have in common!Could you give any links to MRAs or feminists saying that they hate single male refugees? (Note that both movements are made of individuals that would undoubtedly have different opinions on different matters) I have found on here that when countries have declared sanctions against male refugees, MRAs call it out on its sexism. We realise that only a very small proportion of refugees are dangerous, and therefore we could save a lot more lives allowing male refugees in than we could do by not lett… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/15 10:36 AM |
| 5 | Lets break down feminism into its simplest terms without trying to dance around the obviousFeminists don't seem to be able to understand that you can believe in and strive for gender equality without being a feminist (believing in feminist dogma such as patriarchy theory or gender as purely a social construct). Like you said, they typically see any group that doesn't give in to the social shaming as their enemy, and you know what they say about absolutes :-). | /r/MensRights | 18/12/15 08:36 PM |
| 2 | Why is this not the defacto Child Custody Policy?!?!?Sometimes capability of caring for a child is not the only thing that determines who gets custody. For example, this case shows parents who can and have financially supported their two children separately (pg 18), and both are considered primary caregivers (pg 19). The courts decided to give primary custody to the father, because the mother was consistently against the children having contact with the father (pg 24-32). This case also shows the malice that the media and general people can have t… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/15 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Why is this not the defacto Child Custody Policy?!?!?With my idea they keep their right to divorce. Forcing people to stay in a marriage ... I see these as kind of contradictory, though maybe I should have been more clear. Whether a divorce is initiated by one partner or the other has no impact on either of their effectiveness as a carer of a child, therefore should not be taken into account when determining whom the child lives with. vastly better than taking away someone's whole life for no wrong doing on their part. This is what a lot of MRAs w… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/15 07:16 PM |
| 3 | Why is this not the defacto Child Custody Policy?!?!?In most countries, the current child custody policies usually state that the children should be given to a "primary caregiver" - the partner who spends most time with the children. A lot of these primary caregivers don't work, instead depending on the other partner's finances both to live themselves and to support their children. Usually the courts ignore this fact, instead just giving the children to the primary caregiver, and then putting heavy financial burdens on the other partner ie. child … | /r/MensRights | 18/12/15 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Were Women Ever Oppressed?Personally I don't think women have been oppressed by society as a whole. Gender roles - yes, but these come with both advantages and disadvantages to both sexes. You just have to look at history to know that these gender roles haven't been around forever, and actually originated from the fact that any society in history that didn't have gender roles disappeared in some way or another. For example, in ancient Egypt, they had a society that in many ways mirrors the society we have today in the we… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/15 02:58 AM |
| 33 | Apparently, abortion for women is equivalent to sex meds for men.McLeod — a lawyer and public relations specialist — told NBC station WCBD of Charleston she wants to make sure men in the male-dominated Legislature know what it feels like to have their reproductive rights targeted. So because she couldn't find any reproductive rights that are related to abortion for men, she decided to target men with sex-related medical conditions? I mean, if she didn't find any rights for men, it obviously means Patriarchy. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/15 06:08 PM |
| 3 | Interesting comments. Church is evil for making homeless shelter men's only. Women's only shelter down the road is fine.The shelter is now closing for everyone, in order to renovate. They plan to segregate the shelter in order to accept both men and women again. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/15 12:03 AM |
| 4 | Roosh's Law - All Public Rape Allegations Are False.Until proven in a court of law, all public allegations of rape should be treated by the MRM as false. Even convictions should be treated with suspicion... No. We should treat them as exactly what they are: hearsay and accusations. It is possible to respect an accusation (whether public or through legal channels) without acknowledging a definite victim and culprit. After saying this, we should be against action (eg. trying for a loss of reputation, job, or even life) by the public on a possible p… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/15 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Full Moon Hike for Women OnlyPersonally, I think this is fine. These people aren't denying anyone else freedom to go out on their own, or with another group. The only thing that will come of trying to close it down by using threats is their fear that would ruin what will be, no doubt, a pleasant night. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/15 09:51 PM |
| 7 | Shower thought: Feminism is trickle down gender equality.The road to hell is paved with good intentions. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/15 10:37 PM |
| 4 | Does anyone have a solid source for the poverty statistics of men, IE the percentage of men living in poverty compared to women?From here : The UK government, the European Union and many other countries use 60 per cent of median household income as the poverty ‘threshold’ but note that : The 60 per cent level is chosen as an indicator of the income at which those below are likely to be suffering hardship. As such, it is a proxy measure of poverty and, without validation from direct measures of people’s living standards, is essentially arbitrary. This site shows results from UK national data. This site shows results from … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/15 12:42 PM |
| 6 | How is it legal that my Virgin Active gym has dedicated women only are while we pay the same?It is not legal (see Equality Act 2010) Under section 29 : (2) A service-provider (A) must not, in providing the service, discriminate against a person (B)— (a) as to the terms on which A provides the service to B; (b) by terminating the provision of the service to B; (c) by subjecting B to any other detriment. This would be classed as direct discrimination (Section 13) : (1) A person (A) discriminates against another (B) if, because of a protected characteristic, A treats B less favourably than… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/15 12:33 AM |
| 5 | Thoughts on the draft?Although I agree with you that the draft needs to end, I also agree with the other side of the argument, in that if we end the draft now, then if or when a government decides it needs to recruit involuntarily, they will bring back the draft, and most likely just go with what worked in the past (ie. men only drafting). Ending the draft now while it is still unequal will just promote inequality if the draft is brought back. I believe making the draft equal now is a crucial step in ending it in an … | /r/MensRights | 07/12/15 12:35 AM |
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