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Good relationship> chosen singledom>imposed singledom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:40 PM
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I don’t understand. Men tell women they should pay ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:05 PM
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"Where do care givers get the resources from? Men in other places. And women are starting to turn their backs on those jobs as well. We don't have enough teachers, and nursing field is seeing women quit ( women dominated control ) . To do what? Type on the computer from home." And we have a plumber and military shortage. Yet you want to make this issue gendered. Women find ressources just fine. No one is better at providing than a woman wjo doesn’t want her babies to starve.Men create scarcity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:04 PM
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I'm not disagreeing, but the bar is in hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:14 PM
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"Men do care, they're just not good at it ( but still better than women are ) . That's why they're car repair, plumbers, electricians, truck drivers. And women are none of those things." Women, are teachers, nurses, doctors. They’re the main caregivers of kids, the elderly and the sick even though they work now. Except for doctors, those are things that bring little to no money contrary to the jobs you've listed.But sure, men care more. "No. Some men don't like the idea of raising a child when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:12 PM
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Thanks for confirming. My experience is that outside the anglo sphere things are less individualistic. And that in Europe the mere fact that people walk a lot create more of a community. I was mostly in Southern Europe though so I didn’t want to generalize to countries I had never been.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:57 PM
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And women don’t get attention when they fat/ugly/old. Such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:49 PM
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I said many women not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:45 PM
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"What you're referring to as the bad times of being "punching bags" I suspect was actually near the pinnacle of male conduct throughout history. " The bar is in hell then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:44 PM
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You know, being a bitch yields better results too as a woman too. Getting dates is never hard as a woman but the quality of treatmen gets better when you're mean. This is not a gendered issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:19 PM
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This. Marital rape wasn’t even recognized as such until the 80's. Consent doesn’t matter much to many of them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:14 PM
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They were not more civil. They just had a personal emotional and physical punching bag at home. Hence why women are so picky now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:08 PM
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Let’s not act like men care about societal duty. Men happily cosigned contraception, the pill etc when they thought life would be a free buffet sex. I am old enough to remember when men used to mock women for wanting marriage. Men are just now changing their tune because they’re realizing the best way to get their dick wet is through traditional relationships. And you don’t get to tell people they’re not allowed to be happy and say it about their lifestyle choices. Men feel entitled to create pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:06 PM
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That’s fair and no one really argues against this. The real issue is many women are fine with being single
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:31 PM
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Yeah it sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:11 PM
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Wrote a long answer but cannot be bothered. The bottom line is : relationships must be a most pleasant option than being single for women to want to participate. For now, many don’t think it’s the case. So you're either make it a more appealing option or make peace with the male loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:51 AM
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You are judging woth american culture lenses though. This is in Sweden. Are we sure the things you are saying about leisure, associa activities, concerts and festivals etc are true over there ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:26 AM
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I have yet to see women tell a man he is subhuman for being short. Also, social media is not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:12 PM
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The pick me/girl boss meme is a direct reaction to that upbringing. "But even in these examples, it's the man pursuing and impressing the women, usually some ultra-charming or rich guy who sweeps her off her feet " Your comment prove another thing about men, you have no respect for femininty though you sure love to be around it. Those women in the stories are abnormally beautiful, abnormally nice, tolerate terrible treatment from everyone and are extremely young. Their lives depend of the goodwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 08:08 PM
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Well what do you want women to do ? Not like we can force people to be into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:52 PM
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Your patronizing comment furthers prove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:38 PM
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No it’ss not my perception but I see you've aldready made your mind so I will not bother expanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:34 PM
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Birth rates are falling everywhere. As soon as a country industrilizes people have less kids. The countries with high birthrates are rural, where kids work on the family farm or whatever by the time they are 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:26 PM
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Oh I know ! Didn’t want to hear the wall comments so I put it aq a repellent 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:08 PM
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But you are not as hot as them, why should you get the same treatment ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:05 PM
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I would not see any issue with you letting them pay. Now if it’d torture your consciense just tell them, i know it wouldn’t torture mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:04 PM
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I know, they claimed I'd be done for by the time I'm 30. Im turning 30 in a few months and if anything, it got worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:01 PM
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What you are describing is part of the problem. Too many men use women as pawns to show their worth to ther men. Women are trained since birth to please men. Female media is centered around finding a man from Disney movies to Rom Com. Men get to have stories centered around themselves. Everytime a woman does anything, cutting her hair, studying or not studying, dressing , there is always someone to tell her how it’s going to improve or worsen her dating prospects. Women are still more likely to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:00 PM
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I don’t date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:49 PM
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I'm not surprised you're baffled. It’s better because it was absolutely shitty before. As I said, it’s more subtle but they still see themselves as main characters and women as supportive roles. I've stayed single for a long time before meeting my partner because once you start screening for this, dating gets hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:49 PM
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I'm not going to lie, men sexuality in itself bothers me 90% of the time. I think men cannot understand. I've been sexualized since I was 12. I no longer care about your pure intentions. I just want to be left alone. Can’t wait to age quite frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:43 PM
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Nope, but at the restaurant, when the bill come you just pay for yourself. That’s where we disagree. I don’t think it’s wrong or disrespectful to accept something just because you don’t plan to do anything in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:39 PM
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I'm not saying it’s a consequence of fear only. I'm saying what is expected traditionally from women in relationship just sucks overall. There is this quiet and often subconcious expectation, to be the supportive character in somebody else's life. It’ hard to find a man who does not have that expectation. And it’s only really worth it to take that role if the man is outsanding in every way. Hence the pickyness/hypergamy. Dating as a woman feels like you need to do the most effort to prove yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:36 PM
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Genuine question : why do you even want to date women ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:28 PM
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No, you invited me and offered to pay. You didn’t have to. You've done it hoping it will lead to sex. In the example you've given Id make it clear to my friend we all paying for ourselves. Not pretend to invite her then get mad about it when it turns out she doesn’t want to do what i want. Pretending to be generous just because then guiltriping when you don’t get what you want is manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:26 PM
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Those are exceptions. The stats show majority of rich men marry rich women so their kids get raised correctly and their families stay rich. Those entertainers are famously known for having trainwreck relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:23 PM
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Then don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:12 PM
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Dating is not marrying. Women earn similarly to men then get married and stop working or work less because they have kids and someone needs to take care of them. Rich people mosltly marry eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:11 PM
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You're paying because you asked her out and get given a choice to get to know her. If you want a transactional relationship, you better offer very expensive dates as sex is not worth a mere coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:09 PM
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So it is a transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:06 PM
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I don’t pay nor fuck until i feel like it. Nothing can take away ypur right to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:04 PM
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This is factually wrong. Most people date people who earn roughly the same as them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:02 PM
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No one is denying that. And it doesn’t contradict what I have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 05:53 PM
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Dating is harder for men, because women have more to risk and less to gain with associating with men. There is pushback because men want to frame it as a consequence of some sort of female privilege when it’s a matter of making pairing up a more appealing option than being single to women. And I have yet to see men at large try to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 04:11 PM
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They bottle up then burst out on everyone and punch walls instead of communicating effectively before their feelings built up and explode. Then it forces you to tiptoe around their supposed feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 06:08 PM
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Says the pill dude who wants to make us believe men don’t care about how women look.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 06:00 PM
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You're moving the goal post. Our conversatiô wasn’t about who is self concious but about who's picky. And men are just as picky. You're off topic. Og comments said men didn’t care about social status and achievements. This stat proves it’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:58 PM
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Nice guys are not pleasant to live with either. Male selfishness is distributed evenly between both population
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:51 PM
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Most women I know are more willing to do wild things in bed in a committed relationship. Also once you know eachother you know all of your buttons and it's easier to make the other come. You and your friends are outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:17 PM
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Your personal tastes and experiences are not relevant to the conversation. All of this has been studied and documented.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:13 PM
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The same ok cupid that men only text and aswer to the 20% most attractive women. Knowing what average is doesn’t seem to make men lower their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:12 PM
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"The fun times" on the women side are mostly times of trauma. We are happily single because we discover quite early that men will do anything to get into relationships but nothing to maintain them. So you're just going to be stuck in routine misery instead of peaceful tranquility.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:02 PM
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You must live in a bubble if you never saw men say they only like light/big whatever eyes. Many asian women say they’ve been rejected by guys who don’t like the monolid
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:26 AM
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I'm not, you are. "I'd expect a woman to go "ahhh I'm cranky....I wonder when my last period was". Most women if not all aldready do that. But crankyness can be avoided if you are actually educated about your cycle and more importantly taught to work with it not against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:58 AM
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These bfs/husbands probably provided excitement and adrenaline at the beginning of the relationship. They can recreate it. But they get complacent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:02 AM
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Studies. Feel free to look it up. Same Okcupid one that you all love to cite.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:39 AM
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Face, eyes and skin color also affect women’s atrractiveness. Blonde White women are way more sought after than any other race. Feel free to disagree with facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:38 AM
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"Nobody has to teach you the adequate amount of sleep you need. Some are 6 hrs. Some are 8 hrs" First of all that’s not true. Parents, teachers since a young age do tell you what’s the average sleeping hours suited. Second of all this is not similar to learning hormonal changes and body phases. Most people do not know about REM sleep vs deep sleep, which hormones trigger them and what disorder they may cause if they don’t happen properly. Which is more akin to what the fertility cycle is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:37 AM
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This. And if we are talking about behaviors, I have yet to meet a woman who doesn’t know she acts grumpier when her period is coming or hornier at some point in the month. But, if ypu do not know why this pattern happens it’s puzzling and it feels like you have one week of being "normal" aka more like a man and the other ones something is off. The narrative around it is also terrible. You can turn that knowledge into your superpower but media is full of women lamenting that we are not as stable …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:49 PM
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"Expecting someone to educate you about yourself is a bit lazy." There needs to be education about how the menstrual cycle works exactly. What the different phases are. And what the different phases for each symptoms are. And how to check your cervical mucus and temperature.Otherwise even if not caught off gard the symptoms are puzzling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:38 PM
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"Except that the PhD hottie is not going to make you a sandwich or change diapers. That's the issue." What does it have to do with anything? Fact remains, 4 year college degree is what men prefer. Not uneducated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:49 PM
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Getting married early is not in woman’s interest. Patriarchy does nothing for women it’s thourouly thought for men. The point is, men are just as much attracted to unchangeable traits as women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:48 PM
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They do not on average. Men can tell when we are on our period or about to have it. So can most women.They’re inadequate at knowing the rest (follicular phase, ovulation, luteal phase).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:06 PM
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Just because a girl is dumb doesn’t mean she will be compliant. And nothing more annoying that someone who is dumb and stubborn. Anyways, the women who get the most swipes on dating apps have a college degrees. Having more or less than that as a woman negatively affects your attractiveness on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:04 PM
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Aging cannot be stopped which, let’d be real is a bigger issue than weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:01 PM
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"Even worse, women get angry when you point it out, so they double down on ignoring their own symptoms." That’s because men weaponize this to not take you seriously. Now that I know myself really well I can tell you that whatever it is I'm complaining about during my period was aldready annoying me the whole month. I just do not have the patience to deal with it on my period. Most women know when their period is coming but not the rest. This is just the tip of the iceberg.The working world is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:57 PM
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Negates your point kids. And most women d9n’t have rape fantasaies. And the submissive vs not submissive is split in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:57 PM
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You can’t tell someone to cum regardless of age. Some do some don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:39 PM
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It doesn’t happen automatically with abuser either. It also requireq specific circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:38 PM
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Women get penalized more as they are the ones expected to be nice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:36 PM
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Women can’t aknowledge what they don’t know. I have learnt the intricacies of the menstrual cycle at the ripe age of 25. I remember wo dering why id be completely non sexual then always randomly feel like masturbating once a month. Turns out it’s not random it was ovulation week.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:18 PM
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They do not. Men are not expcted to be nice, women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:15 PM
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Then why do kids and men also orgasm from rape ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:13 PM
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Men do lie about this though. For different reasons. They still wanna be able to fuck the other races. Women do virtue signal because men do not get socially punished as much for it. Men do not like to hear the truth from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:36 AM
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Read again. Wife can’t measure with abuser either. The sexual mind is complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:31 AM
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Orgasming doesn’t mean being loved. And as stated before that’s not only women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:30 AM
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Men vision of average is scued. They usually think of a 20 something, with wrinkle free skin, and other youthful traits. The average woman is 35 and overweight. I cannot stress enough how high on the dating pole hierarchy an average 20 something woman with average weight is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:54 AM
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They do. And in my academic circle, dating an uneducated dumb girl will be looked down upon. While dating the hot researcher will give you clout.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:51 AM
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I doubt women will have a hard time admitting hot men can get away with having bad personalities. The problem is tge red pill claiming they are attracted to guys because of their bad personalities
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:48 AM
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You know, many women (and men) orgasm while being raped and kids can sexually enjoy sexual assault. Doesn’t make it less abusive and the physical enjoyment and the guilt tjat comes with it is why so many lose their minds after it...Working at a shelter for the sexually abused was something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:31 AM
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We're not entitled to it but we can refuse to engage with those who don’t value it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:23 PM
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I said men not redpill men. It’s not caused by women only. If men reacted like truthfulness was a breath of fresh air women would lie much less. For example, It was really entertaining to see how the anglosphere reacted to some clips of foreign editions of dating shows like love is blind. People telling to eachother’s face they usually didn’t date such and such ethnicity, women saying they were disappointed by the socio economic status of the men they were paired with etc. Only negative reaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:07 PM
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What were the ethnicities of the women who rejected you ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:57 PM
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The young woman usually gets ostracized by the older women though. Which is the main reason why men try to normalize this, otherwise they could just marry those young girls and not care about what society thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:53 PM
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What were those women ethnicities ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:50 PM
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Men don’t trust women. They simply don’t care. They won’t even wear condom if you don’t force them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:13 PM
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Baby trapping women is useless unless the man is rich. So most women are not doing that. Hence the birthrates drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:12 PM
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Well men contrary to what they force themselves to believe, do not like truthful, blunt women. Oftentimes they’ll say they’re "unefeminine" when what they really mean is that these women don’t protect their ego a lot. See how you guys are acting now that the truth is coming out. You guys demand a performance from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:14 PM
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Let’s not act like men are not equally racist. They just donnt get to act on it. Most men either want a woman of their own ethnicity or a white woman. The other races are for fun and not to be brought home.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:05 PM
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This is yet another impossible standard to uphold women too. A boundary needs to be said in a stern manner to be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:59 PM
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Men here have repeated so many times they do not care about a woamn's career and money or experience. But their youth and beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 08:56 PM
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If you have learning comprehension skills therés not much I can do for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:42 PM
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If you can’t tell the difference between 10 minutes and mutiple hours of talking there's not much I can do for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:05 AM
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The Red Pill subreddit was shutdown because of the rampant mysogyny not because advice was given. "Male sexuality is different from female sexuality, it doesn't involve as many archetypes. What men are attracted to is more universal than what women are attracted to." This isn’t about what men find attractive but about what personality type meshes well with them and optimizing their attraction to women. "You could make the same argument for women, most women do not try and understand men, they ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:46 PM
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I have, I've just stopped seeing them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:02 PM
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None as most women need way more time than this to escalate intimacy, regardless of who's initiating it. Many do however initiate first. Funfact: I was ready to fuck my partner 4 hours after meeting him and he told me he wanted to wait a bit. In my circle quite a few. Birds of the same feathers flock together.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:01 PM
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Which places got shut down ? I do not think men try so hard o understand women they try to get sex from them. Understanding them comes as an afterthought. It’s pretty clear what women need quite frankly : someone to adapt to their own personal needs like they have done so for men. Those needs may be common in multiple women but will express in specific ways in one individual women. Men though, seem to not want to make that effort and want some common formula. It’d be easier if men sat down and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:54 PM
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You assess by talking to them. It’s quite easy to spot 10 mins into a conversation. Wether in person or through text.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:52 PM
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Above in what way ? Looks ? Income?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:50 PM
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The lack of nuance in this sub shows to me what the main problem is quite frankly. A reactive sexualality means you rarely get turned on out of the blue. Doesn’t stop you from having a direct communication style as in saying clearly "yes im interested in you. No/yes I do (not)want sex right now. Hey do you want to go to my place ?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:17 PM
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"Men back in the day did not understand women any more than they do now" Sounds like you all need to devevlopp new skills then. Quite frankly, I do not think women are that complicated to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:11 PM
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I don’t mind them. Seems like it’s men who have a problem with those.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:07 PM
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Nope, because you can still have a reactive sexuality while being direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:06 PM
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As an assertive woman : there are not. Or to be more precise, they like it at the beginning when my interest is obvious and uncomplicated. They do not like it when it’s time to hear in exact terms what i do not like in their behaviors. The only guys who like it in both situations tend to be on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:23 PM
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So when you are saying women sell sexual attention, do you mean lthings such as women dressing less modestly than their foremorthers ? Considering your great grand father had to get married or go to a brothel to see a woman’s ankle arent you better off now ? And if such sexual behaviors are common accrooss women and the value of sex has lowered, how come your father advice pertaining to those things were no longer relevant ? Shouldn’t they have worked better than expected since the value has dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:20 PM
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No, many are okay with a cooperative partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:04 PM
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Please define what you would include as prostitution before I answer further. " but there are features and principles of their sexuality that are common to them being "women."" Such as ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:56 PM
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And every Red Pill man still tries to impose their non practical views on society so it is in fact an ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:35 PM
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It’s not working though. So it shows that the men engaging in Red Pill are lost af. "And what content created by women has nearly the same effectiveness in terms of saving lives, relationships, etc for men?" I have no interest in educating you further :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:33 PM
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What is the said praxeology ? And regardless "women" is neither an ideology nor a praxeology so still bad faith argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:28 PM
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Posts that linked to multiple articles and websites stating the same thing. But if you feel like those don’t represent The Red Pill accurately, feel free share links that accurately represent what is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:26 PM
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Bad faith argument considering that 'women" contrary to Red Pill is not an organized ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:25 PM
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"You should ask buisness owners how to maintain a buisness " " no I shouldn’t because some buisness owners have failed buisnesses". Those two things are not contradictory. I can ask men what they want, they’ll tell me feminine without being a doormat. Most men won’t be able to teach me HOW to be those things. Back to the buisness metaphore, if you selling cars, a client can tell you they want a fast one and you make it happen. Doesn’t mean your client knows jackshit about building cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:22 PM
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Many direct and assertive women out there. Go hit on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:16 PM
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No one expressed felings here so I do not knowwhat you are talking about. No one talked about caring or not about young men so that’s one hell of a jump to conclusions. I specifically said articles found in the sidebar because it’s what was described as the main tenants of the ideology. So it’s not just a minority of its worse agents. People disagreeing with the tenants of your ideology are not tone policing. They just disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:11 PM
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"I think it's more of a dominance thing. Women who know what they want and are vocal about can sometimes end up rubbing up against the male ego." That’s my point really. Male ego has no reason to be preserved when we look at it objectively. And if that ego needs to be attended to, be ready to be with someone who will never be fully truthful to you. I am a quite decided lady though I am not dominating I believe. But if I do not want to kiss you on first date, I will tell you exactly that and if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:07 PM
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The average modern women doesn’t prostitute herself. Quite the opposite. If anything past women did it more since they all knew they had to marry to not die in the streets. "Women aren't a monolith, after all, and most men only really try and understand the few that they date and marry" Probably the best approach. No point to ask "women" about what they want. Get to know the one who interests you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:03 PM
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What you have said was useless derailement of the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:56 PM
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Most women don’t care about your tone. But when you start claiming that women have no hobbies, should not vote, are the most responsible teenager in the house etc yes women will have a problem with that no matter how nice your tone is. And yes those are all topcs that I saw stated in the Red Pill sidebar when it was not quarantined. Ever since the Red Pill got mainstream, gender relations got worse than ever before. So it has failed its mission.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:55 PM
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That’s why im advocating for no dom/sub dynamics outside the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:51 PM
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I mean there are women who do not need to have their mind read because they will tell you exactly what they want. Men usually do not like them though as they do not find them feminine enough
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:44 PM
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A lane ? I'm not RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:39 PM
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Sounds like you sucked at being a sub tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:35 PM
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You can, you will just have to face a lot of rejection. And there 's always the option to refuse to partake in such dynamics and get with women who refuse it too. Most men don’t find them "feminine" enough though so that’s also on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:33 PM
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I'm talking general you, not you individual you. I don’t think it’s hypocritical since you both offer your respective gender role performance for the other. So if a woman performs her role well she is entitled to call out a man who expects it from her and is bad at his. And vice versa I'm all for communication but if you choose to engage in sub/dom dynamics be ready for the headaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:31 PM
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My comments included brothers, friends basically any other man. Uncles and grandfathers can also be included in it. Men just don’t care about their young and now you want to blame women. Media and rom coms all say the truth if you actually read between the lines. Disney movies are about young and pretty women marrying handsome and richer princes. Rom-coms always include a makeover. The nerds in movies are always picked as second choices after the superficial hot cheerleader/hot guy treats the lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:27 PM
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If there is no woman in good relationships around you this says more about the type of people you chose to surround yourself with than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:41 PM
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"But in actuality knowing how to confidently initiate, seduce, and arouse someone is a skill " Then learn that skill or don’t partake in such dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:37 PM
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So the men in your lives have failed you. Some of what my mom taught me would probably be labled as toxic.That’s why private conversations exist. And quite frankly, many of you could have just read the room. The common culture/mexia never said women didn’t like good looking men with no money and no confidence.Couldn’t you notice in high school hot guys were getting more girls ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:33 PM
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"is almost never told to them, but especially not by women" Where were your fathers, brothers and friends ? Asking the other gender how to get better at dating is a foolish endeavour. It’s better to ask the other gender relationship maintenance tips not how to get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:23 PM
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You don’t need to have high self esteem to think the world revolves around you. Some people believe for example that everyone can see their mistakes and are emvarrassed all the time. Meanwhile most people don’t care about them like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:19 PM
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Most of y’all problems is that you want a clear instruction manual that ́ll work in every siruation with every woman. Whereas really, you need to assess wether she is attracted to you before deciding to turn things sexual or not
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:09 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:06 PM
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But didn’t you say you became better looking since then ? So maybe she agrees with you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:01 AM
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Why the assumption she wants you as her stability ticket and not that she just finds you hot now ? Now if she no longer looks attractive to you fair enough but that’s another topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:03 PM
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I've seen both and usually both go hands in hands
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:15 PM
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I am biased towards women I guess ? But not in a "women can do no wrong " way. In a "women are multifaceted humans who are entitled to make mistakes and act selfishly just like men" way. That being said, I do believe many women bring upon themselves their issues because of their learned helplessness and theor tendencies to lie to themselves about what they want. Hence my first point. It’s okay to not want a dude because he is ugly and poor. It’s shallow but don’t lie to yourself. Also, I don’t m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:18 PM
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Would you have been okay with it if she had picked ypu as a beta buxer in her youth ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:12 PM
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This is so weird. Circumstances change. Maybe she had a pregnancy scare and learned a lesson. Maybe you she realized she'd rather get to know the dude before banging. I don’t see why just because you did something once you should repeat the mistake. Ir’s like telling a man he should propose two weeks into meeting a new woman because that’s what he did when he was drunk in Vegas when he was 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:10 PM
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It can happen. But then you need to accept Becky will not "give Joe a chance" if he doesn’t pass her vibe check and make your peace with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:51 PM
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Most men who are single are so because they're unpleasant to be around and unwilling to fix it. Defintly a choice too. And they use height and lack of funds as an acceptable cope. Reading incels manifestos is very telling of this. Elliot Rogers was a racist, spoiled self centered man who felt entitled to the prettiest blonde women. But he was convinced he was alone because he was half asian and short.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:36 PM
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Im here to be argumentative with men I do not care about while im on my period so I can stay sweet to the people I care about. Sometime you get interesting insights into the male psyche
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:08 PM
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I mean if it soothes your ego, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:03 PM
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You complained, i gave a solution to your complaints. I don’t know what’s going on in your life so i only commented on what you have said. Why should I know rhat you are aldready doing that since nothing in your comments points to it. It’s not rocket science. The only person trying to "win" here is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:01 PM
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I only go based of what you said.You complain about it so you made it sound like it’s an issue in your life. Also it’s a debate sub, so the discussion is not just about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:58 PM
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Why should I intuitively know what some random guy on the internet does with their life ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:52 PM
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I mean that’s no different than all the broke/short men who whine, cry and kill because they do not get what they want. Self assured adults just ignore critics. Who cares if some random lady hates on your age gap relationship ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:51 PM
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I guess you can but don’t be surprised when no one feels compasssion when you complain about coices you've made. Since you are clear on what you don’t want you can simply date women who fit your standards and move on with your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:49 PM
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"even if it's on the up and up and both parties know the deal, like you seem to be describing, would you want that for a male friend, brother, or son?" If they agreed to it, why not ? I draw the line at being lied to and fooled like that Akaash dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:47 PM
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Betabux for a younger/hotter woman then. It’s not like people choose your wife for you these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:45 PM
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You can do as you please. Either exclusively date women who are attracted to you or play the nice guy game but stop complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:44 PM
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Those men use and value women for sex only. As far as I know they deserve eachother. They are just mad they can’t have their cake and eat it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:40 PM
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Cheat quietly and don’t get caught. Set boundaries on how to be treated. They objectify them back sexually. This is what happens when you have a transactional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:39 PM
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My question is what’s wrong with being betabux ? You get the sex you wanted, she gets the ressources ? We can’t all be Chad and Stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:19 PM
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Patriarchy does have advantages. The question is wether it’s worth the disadvantages that come with it. This answer will vary from person to person. So yes there are clearly hippies raised people who will go full traditional. However these days it seems like most women would rather do without patriarchy and its advantages and what is interesting is why. You said that nowadays there are no incentives for men to marry since they can have sex before marriage, with someone younger and not have to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:56 PM
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A 6'3 caring man who loces to cook sounds like a dream for me and a lot of my fellow career focused women. Now, are we a minority ? Yes. But we are also failure as women and men do not in fact like it. They just realize it after we fuck instead of after.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:35 PM
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Women just like artistic opinions. I've been at muslim parties where men and women are put in different rooms and don’t see eachother at all. The women were dressed to the nines and wore heavy makeup. If anything, it’s to impress other women little girls. No dude is going to admire my winged liner technique or notice im weari g a van cleef bracelet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:32 PM
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Do you have sisters ? What are they doing now ? Are they housewives ? If not, that’s where the issue is. If that arrangement is so great for women why don’t traditional mothers produce more traditional daughters ? You can praise that model all you want but when women are given other options many refuse to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:16 PM
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Because you prioritize different things at different ages. I know way too many men who are dating women they do not plan to marry. And I know way too many who get married to women they don’t evzn like let alone love for it to be a gendered issue
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:41 AM
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Im the provider, it’s easy af
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:19 PM
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If relationship implies sex, giving you how to get into a relationship equates to giving you an advice on how to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 11:57 AM
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"You even said it yourself, women are demanding men that make more then they do. So if you make less then a potential female partner, you've already missed the first cut" No, I said that some women, have seen that some men will not participate in housechores wether they make similar income, less income or more. So the only good deal is to be with providers for them. "And I think not wanting to go 50/50 on bills/expenses in a non-marital relationship is such a backwards mentality." Most couple sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:04 AM
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This is bs. Most men don’t even take care enough of themselves compared to women to even be compared to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:11 PM
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There are no such things those are reddit invention. Hypergamy in its definition soly relies on finances. Most women do not date men who look better than them. Even then, it’s weird to focus on this "monster" fantasy. That’s a niche kink
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:08 PM
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That’s a made up definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:02 PM
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How is a big cock about hypergamy ? Hypergamy is marrying someone of a higher social class. The big cock is a sexual fantasy. This like saying men are hypergamous because they like watching porn where women have big boobs and big butts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:58 AM
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"If the solution is that women should marry providers (rather then women having higher standards when it comes to domestic labor), then what incentive do men have to change their attitude?" The solution is based on the premice that men will not change. That’s not their aim. They have given up. That being said, I' say the incentive lies in the fact that most men will not be able to be providers. So it advantages men to have those skills when compared to the other men who cannot be providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:05 AM
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No one suggested house husbands would get more attention than providers. The part you quoted points out that when we go 50/50 financially, men don’t go 50/50 in house tasks. So women demand are back to demanding providers. Breadwinner women also do more house chores than their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:06 PM
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Do they represent 1% of the population ? If they do, didn’t you click on the topic yourself ? Why comment on a topic you think is marginal ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:01 PM
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The "a lot" implies it’s not all men. So it's not "men" who aren’t doing anything it’s those who are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:59 PM
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Personally, I get no joy out of making myself look pretty. So the 2nd option
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:41 PM
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We're talking of cases where they not make more no do they do feminine jobs. So what do they do ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:38 PM
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I assume they were physically attractive ? Also, men really need to decenter women. You cannot base your life on what women will like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:36 PM
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I don’t think "men" aren’t doing anything. I'm going off of what is said in the op's title and post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:35 PM
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And not doing anything attracts women more ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:30 PM
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This, not voicing your concerns, following authority, having routines make for pleasurable teaching experience for the adults in charge but incomplete adults. That’s partially why women don’t do as well in the work field afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:21 PM
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The monster fantasy isn’t even about hypergamy. And is not even that common to begin with. The billionaire one is but not the monster
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:16 PM
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"all you have to do is put yourself near him and agree to his suggestions" That’s lady game.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:16 PM
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Women put more effort in relationships not dating
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:13 PM
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That’s still pressure to be in a relationship. Even more so one might argue cause it relies on you being picked instead of picking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:12 PM
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I'm saying the psychology behind it is not what you wrote. It’s not about being complacent. It’s about being noticed about who you are as a person. And i don’t get what’s icky about hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:07 PM
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Isn’t the peak early 20's rather than 18 tho ?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:09 AM
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"Any woman who doesn't really want make up, shaved legs and that stuff all that much," That’s not traditional femininty
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:02 AM
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This is fair. Truth is we all (men and women) look down on feminine pursuits. We understand why women would want to "raise above" their conditions but we don't understand why men would "downgrade".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:40 AM
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I don’t know. Femininty works more inwardly. Like there isn’t even an equivalent for beinf emasculated in the english language. Feminine identity is more inward looking. The only women I know who felt like less of women it were because they couldn’t have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:31 AM
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"So what this seems like to me is that women want to be complacent/lazy and still obtain the ultimate status symbol highest tier man. They don't want to go to the gym and become a hottie, they just want this man to fall in love with her average, boring ass. Personally this is like the biggest ick for me but really just explaining the why behind it.' How is that different of all those "nerdy guy gets the girl instead of the rich asshole" trope ? Also the "average"woman is never actually average i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:24 AM
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They had to change their tune now that there are too many 30 year olds who look good and not enough virgins for each of them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:15 AM
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He is despicable. However, by definition he is not an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:07 AM
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You don’t need to care. Op asked a question I answered. Personally, I do many things to improve myself because it’s beneficial toe even though men don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 10:41 PM
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"you Google overturned rape cases you'll find that most of the time the guys were guilty of just being in the area(or being black in the area). Who with this being said women do not see any type of institutional ramifications for lying on men. " Are we talking about women in general or a certain demographic of women ?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:25 PM
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How do you do DEI for social stuff ? As in how would DEI to get men included in social gatherings would work ?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:06 AM
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But concreteky how do you implement this ? For example, women libs had publicity campaigns and DEI. You cannot just expect a societal shift, you need actionable policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 05:06 PM
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I mean pick whichever you prefer for the definition. As I said wether it’s most or all I think it’s a shit deal so I use them interchangeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:51 PM
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Why does it matter wether it’s all or most ? In either case I'm not doing it. And most women aren’t either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:48 PM
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That’s what is written in your study. How can you disagree with a fact that is written in your study. I'd say it’s true but it’s more of a conscious decision to trade attractiveness to men for more independance so they don’t complain as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:47 PM
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"I didn't ask what you did in your own relationship." You have actually. You asked what I meant by I will not be submissive.And you never asked what my definition was you just went off what I had said earlier. "the way you said won't be "submissive" seems like you are saying you will be combative/argumentative/disagreeable etc. I don't want to assume what you meant so feel free to clarify."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:41 PM
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1) The study you linked states women spend significantly more time with their kids. 2) Your study says it’s 45.6 vs 45.2 hours. That’s not 1.5 hour. Men also have more leisure time. 3) Maybe for the ones 30 and up. When it comes to GenZ men, to many failure to launch, the percentage of NEET has increased.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:34 PM
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"Only young women out earn men and young women do not pay bills or do housework at this stage in their life." Women of any age now are part of a dual income. "You've used providers, primarily providers, contributors, and now breadwinners to describe the same thing." I am consistant. Breadwinner and prividers are synonyms. My point is most men are not providers, they’re contributors of their household income. "Okay sure it's semantics, could you answer the question?" I answered, I said he doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:22 PM
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"You were comparing how men and women financially contribute to a relationship then mentioned that young women out earn young men. I'm saying that despite those young women out earning men they do not spend their money on men. Young men on the other hand do spend their money on women." My point was that now women heavily participate to paying the bills while still doing housework. Making their overall contribution more valuable.And, because they outearn men, they don’t really need a provider. Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:25 PM
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"My point was that young women do not spend their money on men despite earning more than them" I guess, I don’t understand your point. I don’t see why women should spend their money on men. "If a man shares bills makes him a contributo (not a provider) how is it possible that less than 30% of men are "primary providers" like you said earlier?" Only 23% of men are the sole earners of their household. "Not showing your boyfriend your wifey qualities is ALSO a trap that turns you into a forever gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:22 AM
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Still avoiding the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:12 AM
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"And we should remove those harmful biases imposed on men the same way we removed lots of harmful biases imposed on women" Fair enough. How should we go about changing this ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:11 AM
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I'd say that most relationships in the Western World are. And you are right correlation doesn’t mean causation. But I think, in that case there is one. Because of all the social benefits that you have mentionned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:49 AM
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Not you as an individual, general you. If you get all of this from a relationship, then the relationship makes you happier. So being married does contribute to male happiness it doesn’t just happen that marry men are the ones who get married like OP is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:27 AM
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The survey gave people the different life aspects and they had to rank them. They weren’t ask to come up with something completely out of the blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:43 AM
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And therefore you're...happier for it ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:37 AM
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You're deterring the question. On average whose kids does better the middle income women ones or the sons and daughters of the uneducated ones ? Also we are are talking about not conceiving homeless people. Not killing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:36 AM
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"Those women also don't use their money to provide for a man." I never claimed women were overall the providers. I said most men don’t provide anymore. If you are sharing bills you are not a provider, you're a contributor. Most couples would have to significantly downsize their lifestyle if they lived on one salary. "This is a good value to have but things don't magically change once you get married." This was said to a man who wants women in general to act submissive while talking to him. Which…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:31 AM
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Prove it. Prove it. Explain your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:21 AM
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Aren’t women socialized to find their prince charming ? Isn’t female media so focused on finding a man and men in general that feminists came out with the Bechdel test ? Don’t we still get the social messaging that women need to hurry and be married by 30 ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:13 AM
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"I'm not saying men don't do it. I'm absolutely saying women do it at least as much. I've personnaly only ever witnessed women doing that, though that's anecdotal." We are talking about men which is why I've talked about men. Yes toxic women exist. I don’t belive those behaviors are less common in men. It’s just that the controlling girlfriend is seen as harmless though a bit unhinged. So she feels comforyable to do that in public. So it’s acceptable to turn it into a popular meme. While the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:11 AM
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And you are spreading the starving African stereotype while Africa has a growing middle class and is startung to have less kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:03 AM
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How are their kids doing in life on average ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:01 AM
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The standards for raising kids have risen. I grew up being told to not havebkids I could not afford. It’s not something that people used to say/ are saying in poorer circles. Also Kids used to be wealth/wealth creators. Now that we cant make thel work for the family farm, they’re just expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:00 AM
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I don’t think women assume it will happen. I think women are just more aware of the pressures a relationship entails and are not rushing to get married anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:57 AM
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Maybe ? But then why are young men ranking finding a life partner higher in their list of priorities than young women ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:18 AM
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"Those women also don't use their money to provide for a man." I never claimed women were overall the providers. I said most men don’t provide anymore. If you are sharing bills you are not a provider, you're a contributor. Most couples would have to significantly downsize their lifestyle if they lived on one salary. "This is a good value to have but things don't magically change once you get married." This was said to a man who wants women in general to act submissive while talking to him. Which…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:14 AM
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Yeah yeah we know the speach. Doesn’t change the fact that they went "well it’s our nature, deal with it" and things haven’t improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:38 PM
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"This is for them to fix not men we prioritize women more then the other way around. If men are put on the back burner for a woman's collage & career while she's has a I don't need a man attitude." You repeating yourself while still being off topic. I've aldready said women want laws that will protect and have them paid. What individual men do does not matter. "No I read it we had that discussion and you acted like women had it hard, which is very untrue. They can get used for sex for sure but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:38 PM
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Men are born post wall if we follow red pill logic. The supposed lack of interest from men that hits women when they turn 30 that’s how the average lives and dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:28 PM
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Not wanting to ruin your relationship is virtue signalling ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:24 PM
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Whoever gets cheated on is hurt. And selling your body may hurt your psyche. My point anyway is that your argument is just stupid. Just because doing something bad makes money that could help people doesn’t make the action less bad or refusing to do it makes it immoral. That is, if I even plan to give the 20 millions. Which I would not. If i'm falling into depravity im going all in and living the fast life with those 20 millions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:29 PM
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Are you allowed to cheat ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:19 PM
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It’s weird though because no one gets that digust when someone slept with a bunch of women so it means like some other commentor said that we associate impurity with men/dicks and that’s not positive for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 01:27 PM
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"Oh ok could've been decades ago for all I know. " It also could have been last week. Simpler to ask no ? "Even still the women of today aren't as hard working as you claim. Which is apart of men's complains, because women don't want to be held to their duties but men still are expected to." Yes fewer women want to be homemakers. Those who do choose to be homemakers do not do less than before. "Stats don't show that women are these hard workers " The time spent parenting in the US has significan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:37 PM
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I should then become a hitwoman and kill a bunch of people so I can fund a charity I care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:03 PM
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Women understand men can no longer feed a family of 6 on a factory income. Or that you can ba a professional and still have to live with roomates. The problem is too many young men are not in college, not working and not in vocatiinal training.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:58 AM
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And then a bitter man spreaded a useless, hateful comment because seeing anecdotes of people succeeding where he failed triggers him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:35 PM
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The Pill ideology was weaponized against you all that believe in it, and I think that’s beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:26 PM
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Just type the words in searchbar, plenty of dudes saying by submissive tgey just mean cooperation
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:16 PM
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It does, a simple search confirms it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:10 PM
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And then he became CEO of google
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:09 PM
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"Women aren't doing a bunch of work tending to kids nowadays though. Especially where I'm from, I believe I recall you being from france or something like that. Which is likely very different then here in America." I currently live in France. But I've also lived in the US. "Maybe from over there that's the case not so much over here. I forgot you were from somewhere else far way from here. Maybe over there they do things different over here not so much." I'm basing my arguments on American stats…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:08 PM
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The quality got worse. Lot of failure to launch amongst men now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:38 PM
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This subreddit uses cooperation and submission interrchangeabky so I did the same. It is what I meant in my original comment : women want to be liked and do not want to hurt feelings do they will not say harsh truths. However I don’t think women like to do what they are told. They are being taught it’s a feminine ideal but don’t uphold it cause I in fact believe it’s contrary to female nature. I think men are submissive naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:29 PM
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"In fact there's a huge pushback now to not be agreeable, especially in when it comes to relationships. It's encouraged to be extremely unpleasant towards men - anything less gets you accused of being a 'pick me'." There isn’t, that’s just a reddit/tiktok meme. "But what would you have said if he was ugly, an actual incel, and better grooming did nothing for him?" To focus on finding fullfillment elsewhere. "if your brother were your sister and had those issues, it wouldn't have held them back i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:20 PM
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"I said provider which isn't meaning he has to be the sole one to do so. He can just be taking on more of the task then the woman. For sure a good amount of men cant just take care of everything by themselves." If I still need to work, while tending to kids and house you are not a provider. Because now I have to do two jobs instead of one when I was alone. This relationship is therefore a net negative. "This isn't what I said, so get it right, I'm saying they aren't working hard at the job like …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:02 PM
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Women score higer on agreeable ness : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18712468/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3149680/?utm_source=chatgpt.com And this is consistent throught nations : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346816244_International_Comparison_of_Gender_Differences_in_the_Five-Factor_Model_of_Personality_An_Investigation_Across_105_Countries?utm_source=chatgpt.com
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:43 PM
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They are according to every scientific studies and stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:09 PM
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Im not French, I just live in Paris.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:00 PM
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He has a girlfriend. He is 21 and she is 19. We're in Paris, being fat is a sin here so she is slightly underweight actually. She's probably a feminist or at least holds feminist views as most women in that age group do here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:52 PM
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"Most guys arent given a shot though, Im sure you do know there is a loneliness epidemic." You don’t need to be given a shot. You either have enough money to provide for a family. Or you don’t. Most Men do not have the funds to to provide for a full family. "ven still I cant find anything on men no longer being providers. So I think that was a self made study, lol." The US bureau of labour latest 2024 stats state that only 23% of households have the husband as the sole breadwinner. 13% is the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:36 PM
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Women told you to be ugly and poor ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:51 PM
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Men are in a media bubble. Consume content for women and you'll notice the male love interest is always good looking, rich and strong. It’s not women’s fault you couldn’t read the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:03 PM
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My brother is indeed just one individual. But not enough of an isolated case unfortunatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:00 PM
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Not all feminists for that either
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:59 PM
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Yes. Some imbalances are more prone to have these situations happen. Namely wealth and age. Whivh is why women are adviced to make their own money and to not date older men.No relationship is "policed". People just have opinions on it, and the couple is free to ignore those.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:44 PM
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Or I have stronger morals. Or I'm aldready rich. Or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:02 PM
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Not all feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:41 PM
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Maybe, but I'm not. I make enough money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:39 PM
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Depends what you mean by assertive. I decide almost everything in my relationship, im the bread winner and i have a more direct style of communication compared to my partner. I initiate sex when im ovulating. I however refuse to decide where we eat, I'm not driving and when we out and about I let my partner talk to the different service providers like waiters and what not.I'm also more emotionally volatile than he is. Also, i think motherhood puts women in a vulnerable state that shifts the dyna…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:26 PM
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No. This will irremediably ppison the relationship. If I ever accepted be sure I no longer care about our relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:21 PM
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You are very lucky, she sounds lovely. Yeah I did gymnastics and ballet when I was younger so I was around Eastern Europeans a lot. I'm Congolese but we had a lot of common in our upbringing. Congo is seen as one of the least problematic countries when it comes to LGBT issues in Africa because it’s one of the few that doesn’t criminilize being gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:56 AM
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This is what you get when you raise a gender to be pleasant and submissive. They will never say the harsh truths. I'm the only woman who told my brother he was single because he smelled bad, needed a haircut, to hit the gym , deep teeth cleaning and a new wardrobe. At first he got mad at m and thanked my sisters for their heartfelt advice ( some bs about being himself). Then, when that didn’t work he sheepishly came to me and asked me to help wih his make over. He is now doing fine with women. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:49 AM
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Yes it was not the case in mine. Men doing anything feminine was just heavily looked down on. My brother got glasses which had a small sun on the side and my dad threw a fit and paid 500 bucks to change them because it looked like a small flower from afar. That’s the level of insanity i grew up with. It’s no excuse though I should probably work on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:42 AM
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Though they’re not entitled to this info I understand being upset. It’s like the bi thing for me. Nothing inherently wrong with it. But immediate turn off now. Mostly because it’d make me feel like a predator. It didn’t bother me when I was inexperienced myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:39 AM
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Not much. I guess if he's being penetrated that’s even more of an ick. But being the one doing the penetrating still turns me off.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:36 AM
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It has happened to me actually. I wasn’t offended. My attraction just evaporated. But I have very radical beliefs when it comes to privacy. If not asked I don’t believe someone with HIV needs to reveal their status until you're an official couple for example. Info like this that can get you stigmatized in society. It’s not wise to disclose it to people who will not be part of your closed circle for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:14 AM
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I have many ex muslim friends who tell me this. It’s crazy what conditioning can do to you. And those are the ones we are concious of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:05 AM
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From the study : "Young adults who were born in large US cities —particularly those who are living with dependent children—face an elevated risk of poverty compared to young adults nationally" Women are more likely to be single parents. As it’s also stated in the study. Doesn’t change the fact that on average young women earn more.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:50 AM
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"If men aren't the providers it means the women are choosing bad. " Then most men are bad since most aren’t capable of being the main bread winners statistically. "Women basically live a much easier life in dating and pretty much most things." This is false. Boys just perform badly at school, and then don’t get to college at the same rate and then don’t get paid as well. This is a pattern spotted in every country studied by the OECD. Including the ones without DEI programs. Tokyo University even…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:42 AM
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Not when you control for weight and having a degree. Then it’s white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:18 AM
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I don’t know if I want to fuck anyone until we talk. The very attractive ones just need to not be douches. The rest need to have attractive personalities. That includes being funny
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:17 AM
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Yes I grew up in a very homophobic catholic household where sex was extremely taboo. So you might be onto something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:34 AM
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"Obviously but I'm saying if he's handling his business then he can take care of both well enough." So we agree, dating fathers is a net negative. "So I'm not wrong as the primary provider is still the man in most relationships" No, men are the primary provider in less than 30% of relationship.Even less when you rule out boomers It’s not the early 2000's anymore, women between 18-25 outearn men. "No it can be if done right but most women will just sit there kid in front of a tv or have them i n …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:24 AM
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I would know for sure if I was in that type of situation" I'd hope so for the sake of your kids. "Just not a very submissive thing imo, which looks better on women then men." Women should not be submissive to anyone other than their husbands. Being submissive to some stranger man who did nothing to earn it is loser doormat behavior. "You know like if you got to take a dunk or spin or pick a booger. " I don’t know any man who would do that. Would give me the ick for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:55 AM
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Yes. 5% is even generous for all of that. So ? Edit : I'd also have to add that 85% can have those things. Some dudes are funny enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:48 AM
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5% are a hell yes, 10% are a hell no. Everyone else is " not hideous but not handsome, depends on his personality and where i am in my cycle"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:06 AM
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"I guess you shouldn't but it just sounds odd coming from a woman is all" It’s not though. Just like women cannot feel entitled to any man providing for them, you cannot expect any woman to nurture and care about kids who aren’t theirs.And it’s not uncommon that they don’t care/dislike thzir partner’s kids.They just don’t say it publicly. The evil step mom is a trope for a reason. "Which is more in line of what I hear hood chicks say if they aren't with it." It’s an anonymous debate sub. No poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:09 AM
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If I'm being honest with myself I think I just see it as unmanly. Many other non traditional things I do not mind ( I make more than my partner for example) but this I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:22 AM
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They don’t. It’s just that age gaps create de facto a power imbalance that can (and often will) be used to the man’s advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:27 AM
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Lol equating dancing (by yourself or with your girls) to fucking is an interesting jump. Regardless to each their preference, if you don’t like your girl culbbing, don’t date a party girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:25 AM
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Ni but I noticed people have more intense reaction to my opinions when they know I'm a woman vs when they think i am a dude on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:11 AM
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Yeah...I've tried to rationalize it as "ooh now i cannot be fully at peace when he is just with the boys, im too possessive" but it’s something else. It just...gives me the ick. I'm not sure why but it’s an instant turn off. I feel guilty about it because I consider myself an ally, but there is just a visceral loss of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:07 AM
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Well, it is possessive. Clubbing doesn’t equate cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:03 AM
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"The same way you were able to easily say it about not dating single dads" I wasn’t. That’s my point. Rejection will always be contreversial. "Well yeah if you have an issue caring about others then for sure they shouldnt be around people. People that do typically are more caring people as that would be needed in those type of situations. Which isnt for everyone." They’re not my children, she is not my baby mama. Why should I care ? That’s exactly the same logic of men not wanting single mothers…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:22 AM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:16 AM
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Asian ? South East Asian ? Latinas ? Why go to the demographic that is the most sought after ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:02 AM
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I guess I just don’t get what’s wrong with complaining. You can say what you want. People can react to it negatively. Such is free speach. If you don’t want people to react negatively to what you say, simply don’t say contreversial things. Guess what, I know women who are offended I wouldn’t date single fathers because their precious son/brother is one. People have their biases and are entitled to their feelings. I do not get this need to police people's emotional reactions. It’s like you want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:20 PM
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If it was that simple it woudn’t be an issue. When I see many men not try to see if they’re compatible with a woman they find attractive, discover their women's tastes, or even worse being incapable of citing one non physical thing they like about their partner they have in fact reduced her to her looks. When i see a guy wanting to control what their women wear, who she talks to, where she goes he is in fact denying her her rigjt to autonomy. Extra malus points if he himself does all those thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:04 PM
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Go to black women, the least desired group of women then ?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:55 PM
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But 22 year old Thimotee Chalamet would provoke the same reaction.Actually he was hotter in their 20's.He is just hot and rich. If you're just Bob from accounting you probably looked okay in your 20's and less good at 30. That’s like saying women all can pull any man at any age because 28 year old Sydney Sweeny, 29 year old Alba Batista, 34 year old Amanda Seyfried or 44 year old Adrianna Lima can.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:52 PM
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Proximity bias. You can’t rape someone you don’t have access to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:39 PM
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They don’t. They have told you through which means they want you to approach. If none of those means include cold approaching you can draw the conclusion yourself. Which you have. You just expect women to communicate more directly than what they’re comfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:38 PM
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Of course. People don’t like rejection. Just ignore it and keep moving. Why do you need random women you rejected to feel good about your decisions ? Single fathers also get offended when i reject them. I don’t care. It doesn’t. Single fathers have crazy baby mamas, are wasting financial ressources on a child that isn’t mine and a woman who isn’t me. They have less time to spend with me. And, usually you have to help taking care of their kids when it’s their turn to get them. You get all the har…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:34 PM
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Sorry to hear this. I believe that Reddit attracts a specific kind of woman. The average woman simply isn’t on reddit ( at least I hope, my circle of rad fems draw the line at child abuse). t’s common sense (to me at least) that in abusive situations, the adult party is always fully responsible and not the kid, regardless of gender. I actually believe the neglect and violence we impose on little boys is the reason some turn in mysogynistics assholes. And just like those mysogynists don’t get a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:29 PM
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So ? Just don’t date them. I don’t want to date single fathers. Yet they still approach a lot. I simply decline the offer. I don’t need to write rants about how they’re the downfall of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:13 PM
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Very few women have said "we love being approached outside". Quite the opposite which is why many of you keep asking "then if you keep refusing every stranger interaction how are we supposed to talk to you ?". To which women have answered by citing spaces where they meet vetted circles. The wants have been expressed clearly just not the way you like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:10 PM
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I suspect those who complain are the ones who seem to mostly attract single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:54 PM
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Nope, patriarchy may explain the behavior but not excuse it. Abuse is abuse and they are responsible for what they’ve done. It is unfortunatly a pattern than im seeing in feminist circles and they are simply misguided and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:28 PM
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"I want to swipe for men online, at home" No. "only want the vetted men from University, the workplace, and my curated social circles to interact with me in-person.” Yes. What’s wrong with it ?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:14 PM
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Friend groups, mutual friends, neighbours etc... They act better when there social consequences to acting like fools. They are also easier to vey when you can see them in multiple contexts and know their reputations
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:12 PM
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They are all young. They are all not overweight. They all can make money out of their looks. They all have great hourglass bodies with great fat distribution. Now that I think about it, Sara probably has the best hourglass of them which is probably why you prefer (i however find her face average). The previous girls are top 10% and those new girls are top 2% in my opinion. It’s hard to say. The average woman is like 35 and overweight. So like, by the virtue of being young and skinny, most 18-25 …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:41 AM
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Except maybe Sara Mei Kasai, I think you underestimate how exceptionally pretty these girls are. As in, it’s not that common and 30% of women do not look like that. Which is fine, if you are a provider I think you could find a girl who looks like that. But I think many of you don’t realize you in fact have high beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:58 AM
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I mean, no need to justify yourself. At the end of the day, you will date whoever you want anyway. But you asked why it pisses of some woman, that’s why. It’s seen as shallow. Men get mad over height requirements for the same reason. Could you give an example of a woman you would find hot enough ?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 12:48 AM
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I mean, yes everyone is shallow. But it is not a good thing. You're conflating attraction and love. I'm attracted to hot peope, like everyone. I don’t fall in love with hot people necessarly. You're the one making a dichotomy. Either super hot or ugly. Most women are average/cute enough with a pleasang but not oustanding personality. I'm in a field of work that makes me hang out with academics and engerneers a lot. They cheat too when they get rich/good looking enough. I believe men are as faith…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 12:06 AM
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People mostly date within the same salary bracket so it’s not 80% of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:59 PM
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Young women outearn men now
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:55 PM
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It’s not what happens in practice because unless that man is outright saying he is now an atheist, no matter how bad his actions are, he is just a christian who is struggling to be on the right path. So women in christian trad communities are encouraged to forgive their cheating husbands, sometimes even their abusive husbands etc
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:51 PM
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I don’t know my dad loved my trad mom. I still think it was reckless to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:45 PM
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It doesnn’t piss me off. But it is shallow. I guess I just don’t get how you can fall in love through physical attraction then stay in love when that body no longer looks like it used to. I get saying you would stick to your commitment and honor the word you've made to her but I don’t get how you can stay in love if the thing that made you fall in love is no longer there. I mean men leaving/cheating with yoynger women is quite common. I've seen many men do it and it has made me pretty cynical ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:26 PM
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Im not suggesting, I am asking. I mean the man leaving for the 20 year old secretary is a trope fpr a reason.it's not uncommon. It’s great that you personally wouldn’t tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:58 PM
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Why are they repulsed by it ? I do not know. What I do know is that many men here and in real life have stated that past a certain number they just find it to be an ick. The higher the number the bigger the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:58 PM
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I read it, I'm disagreeing with it. Men simply are repulsed by promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:23 PM
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I mean, it’s a turn off. You cannot reason woman into not being turned off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:19 PM
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I'm not expecting anything. You've pointed a criteria as paramount. But it’s one she is bound to no longer meet at some point so I wondered what would be your reaction to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:15 PM
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I don’t plan to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:10 PM
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Let’s not act like men are not territorial over women and are not viscerally repulsed by high body counts.Many have said it themselves on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:09 PM
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What happens when she ages and no longer fit the really hot requirement ?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:04 PM
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It does though, like legally it's their money too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:02 PM
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So ? If women behaved like gay men, straight men wouldn’t like it. Most do not want their woman to have a 10+ bodycount.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 08:56 PM
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Not until they admit they all potential rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 08:22 PM
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Your point being ?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:25 PM
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By a minority of men still.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:24 PM
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Good girls don’t win either. You don’t do good to be rewarded. You do good because it’s the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:54 AM
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This sub is full of men without functioning braincells then because many men argue women should lose their rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:17 AM
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I said it got worse not that it never existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:08 AM
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We are not "blue pillers".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:07 AM
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We know. That’s why we say all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:05 AM
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A source stating that men in jail are more likely to be fathers. Thas my point. Melania is not with Donald because she is turned on by his racism. She is with him because he was offering a very comfortable life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:04 AM
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Too many men fuck up their families for some young mistress for this to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:50 AM
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Nobody said "ignored everytime" they’re ignored if the dude is hot enough. Doesn’t happen that often
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:23 AM
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Op said women can’t tell red flags. My answer is that they can but some choose to ignore them. The rest of the world doesn’t matter in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:17 AM
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It is. But I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:11 AM
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That’s bs. Calling a woman jealous aq soon as she doesn’t approve of another woman is a tired trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:09 AM
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In one situation you know the man is bad and in the other you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:07 AM
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Why would I be jealous of what I can get myself ?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:02 AM
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What made you arrive to this conclusion ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:51 PM
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Of what ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:50 PM
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I know she sells bath water.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:02 PM
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And yet I'm convinced many women actively ignore red flags because the guy is hot/think they can change him/are not good people themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:13 PM
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Of course they would. Not all. But many would. Melania was a model on the decline when she married Trump. She had to secure the funds. Do you have a source for this ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:07 PM
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I mean you can detect a red flag and choose to ignore it because you find the person hot. Or yourself be a red flag so you go with someone you have something in common with ? Men would still want to fuck Sydney Sweeny and Megan fox even if it turned out they were psycho killers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:46 PM
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Trump is rich and powerful and therfore an exception. Not to mention, the women he gets seems to be of questionable morality themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:39 PM
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This is true. Women still want monogamy though, in the mean time, they fucking random attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:38 PM
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Is it that easy to be a virgin when men offer their dicks so freely by the time we turn 12 ? Most men fold at the first pussy offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:30 PM
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My boyfriend fits all these. So do his friends. (Though i often joke he mzy be on the spectrum)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:25 PM
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Good luck !
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:21 PM
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Women fucking a few percentage of men is the most natural state. Some men are good at hiding their views some aren’t. Among them, some are hot some aren’t.Some women are good at spotting bad people some aren’t. Some women can choose to ignore it to further their own agenda or to get what they want. Some don’t. If you're not particularly rich/handsome/powerful your best bet to get a woman is to be a decent human with a nice enough appearance. The resst is useless ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:20 PM
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Doesn’t matter, had sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 07:28 PM
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Maybe because they’re not exposed to it in their day to day life...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 06:24 PM
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We'll see if it’s smart advertising if Euphoria views skyrocket thanks to her fans. I am not holding my breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:40 PM
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This. Female dominated fields are less affected by AI
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:37 PM
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I actually enjoyed Euphoria. I was just pointing out that I hear more about her boobs than her art and that’s a pity
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:34 PM
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Well where is her art ? That’s the main issue with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:16 PM
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Maybe im alone in this but everything I know about this woman has been learnt against my will and I have Sydney Sweeny fatigue. It’s just one provocative publicity stunt after another with her and I would like to actually see her act in something for once. Anyway there are more women shaming other women simply because they are more women following women celebrities. The ones with mostly male audience don’t last long and never have ousstanding movies (see what they’ve done to Megan Fox).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:46 PM
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I'd say 25 it gets weird. 40 is time to make peace with it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:58 PM
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I have yet to see that actually. My experience has been that women are still the social glue and heavily include everyone. For example, in uni, I remember it were girls who organized casual events open to everyone and boys chose to come or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:37 PM
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It does though. You can’t extroplate a minority sample on a general population
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:35 PM
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You just hoping that these measures will stop women from having jobs.I don’t care for affirmative action, it’s not a thing where I live. Yet young women outearn men now in this has nothing to do with being coddle and everything to do with them doing better than them at school.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:34 PM
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They did but overall masculine values prevail : competitive, assertive people get ahead more. Similarly, in a group context the pretty, cooperative people will be the most popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:30 PM
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My family is originally from Congo. The women there are RUTHLESS. Will go out with a dude without even taking their wallet. Will be okay with being mistress number 5 if they get a house and kids sent to private school. Will cheat on the nice dude they’re dating because a man offered to pay for their beauty treatments. Will have birds (nice men who hope they’ll one day get a chance) buy them things daily without even kissing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:26 PM
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So your solution is for women to lose their agency and autonomy. Men like you deserve to die alone and miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:18 PM
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I actually will and will report back.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:06 PM
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I'm fine with it as long as men understand this entails adopting female culture just like getting into working spaces meant adopting male culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:05 PM
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That’s like saying yoùre either Christian or antiChristian and ignore all the other religious teachings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:02 PM
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They are mocked yes but still not given away to losers. Tha majority of adult men were married because many died before reaching adulthood and life expectancy was shorter than for women. Aka they were more women than men. In a situation of male surplus there are always lonely men. Anyway, what would be your solution ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:48 PM
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Concretely how does that look like though ? You want ugly men to be invited to our sleepovers and to gossip around a matcha latte ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:43 PM
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So you want women to cheer for your successes ? I'm all for leaving "looking gorgeous king" comments on my male friends instagram pics. I'm not sure they’ll enjoy it that much though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:39 PM
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But having gay sex is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:38 PM
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Sample bias. Nightlife people are a specific (and dying off) population. But GenZ doesn’t go clubbing much according to data.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:37 PM
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Doesn’t mean the n count is high though. I get dicked down every day. By the same dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:35 PM
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My point is that "Blue Pill" is not an actual philosophy. There are no actual " Blue Pill" advocates
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:33 PM
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Hypergamous women focus on ressources not finding a good man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:26 PM
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Men can cheer other men then. Be the change you want to see in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:25 PM
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Hypergamey doesn’t garantee getting a good man. Just a guy with more ressources. If you are all bad might as well get the richest/hottest one. That’s the logic many women have these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:19 PM
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Women don’t know about the red pill per say. They know about the podcast bro discourse which derives from the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:12 PM
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You have clearly never lived in a traditional , low income country. Fathers are not giving away their daughters to some loser who needs affection. They have clear income requirements. Those requirements are not hard to get in Western Countries (which is why Passport Bros find women easily abroad, they become Chad). But require gruelsome work in developping countries. Many die before getting to these requirements. Similarly, the average man back then faced an early death through hard labour and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:10 PM
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From what I'm gathering, while the Red Pill is an ideoly with clear tenants the Blue Pill is whover disagreess so you will find anything that’s not Red Pill be lablled as Blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:06 PM
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Hypergamey got worse once women found out about TRP discourse and male podcasters. So what do you want to do ? Ban dating apps ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:05 PM
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It’s not. Most women are not attractive. For example men all admit they do not like overweight women. The average woman is overweight. This doesn’t even take into account, youth preference etc. Anyway, what structural measures would you want to have ? Because as far as I know there were ones, you got a monogamous relationship with a woman who didn’t desire you much in exchange of ressources. The Red Pill deemed it unnacceptable and rebrandanded it as Betabuxing. We however cannot manufacture att…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:02 PM
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Clearly Im not one of them so why bring them up ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:39 PM
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Yes what’s your point ? I never denied that. I'm saying invisible women take their L and find happiness elsewhere.So should invisible men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:38 PM
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No they are invisible to men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:27 PM
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Yes, as they should
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:26 PM
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It’s hyperbole to point out the fact that in such a scenario hypergamey will get worse not better. The average man is having better than he ever has in any era.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:25 PM
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People do lie. However, I think morality aside, the number of men we find hot enough to just randomly fuck is quite low. Among them, most will not care that much about your pleasure so after one or two exeperience you just lose interest and your number stays in the single digits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:17 PM
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Be careful what you wish for you think hypergamy is bad now ? Wait until the middle class gets killed of. I'll be Elon Musk's 500th wife before I'd become any broke ans bitter incel partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:10 PM
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What makes you think you would be part of the top percent men who get the concubines and servants and not one of the many male servants and euneuchs ? It was flipped with the heavy assistance of men because it didn’t work in most men’s favour either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:06 PM
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I do not understand your bit about validation. Just because they perceive it as an attack doesn’t mean it’s one. They are not having less than what women get. Women get their autonomy, men get their autonomy. That’s fair for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:57 AM
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I don’t think women are competing with men. Men just view wanting autonomy as a personal attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 11:17 AM
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The age gap is an issue because of power imbalance. When the woman is mature herself I see no issue with it. Alba Baptista for example is 28 and knows damn well what she is doing with Chris Evans in his 40's
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:49 AM
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Not for existing. For being sexually attractive. Old and/or ugly women are invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:39 AM
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How would you even it out ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:28 AM
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I mean you guys keep bringing this question. If you don’t see the value in associating with women, you can stay alone. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:13 AM
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So ? What's your point ? People are terrible at dating we have established that aldready.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 10:40 PM
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Mostly it’s that men made themselves emotionally dependant on women but they don’t have to be. Learn the skills to find happiness outside a relationship and all those "men are happier in relationships" studies will be old news.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 10:15 PM
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No. Many people engage in manipulative behaviors while dating but no dating isn’t inherently manipulative.Saying this is a jump you've made by yourself. And the prevalence of this behavior is clearly an issue, otherwise this sub wouldn’t exist. Anyway, in this specific case, tradmen are full of shit and women should not let themselves get manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:31 PM
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Fair enough. My mom didn’t go bacl to work cause they would have ended up losing money with taxes on the additional income+the cost of childcare. Your situation is unique though as so money jobs don’t allow remote work or a 4 day week
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:17 PM
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Doesn’t change the fact that tradmen are being manipulative now does it ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 09:58 AM
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None of those two studies prove a hive mind. First study show women are more likely to make themselves look like they agree with you to preserve social cohesion. Not that they all share the same opinions. In group bias study, shows women prefer eachother. So do men by the way. Because women are more agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:10 PM
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No. They’re not being manipulative because they looking for someone. They’re being manipulative by trying to get people to do something that is against their interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:08 PM
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So two women agreeing with eachother is a result of the hive mind but you agreeing with another man is just your independant thought. The jokes are writing themselves. And you conveniently ignored the literature stating men also have have a pro woman bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:03 PM
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My point in this specific context is that tradmen saying they find homemaking honorable are manipulating women and should not be listened to. Everything else you bringing up is useless semantics debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:00 PM
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And women birthed everyone. What’s your point ?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:39 PM
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That’s not what the stats show
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:38 PM
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Are you trying to make us believe that that 18-25 years olds women are getting hit on less than 55 year olds ? Not only common sense says otherwise, Stats also show women get hit on the most in their day to day life between age 15- 25. Men should do whatever they want. What I am saying though is they all fight for the same women so they’re bound to be disappointed for the most part. All the fustration we see today is based on this. They think what they want is standard but it’s actually rare. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:50 PM
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It will not because it’s the first time women do not have to be in relationship and can pay for their own shit. Again, see what the abortion ban did to Poland.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:36 PM
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Unfortunatly, it’s those damn phones. I used to read a lit but my phone is just easy to grab. When i remember to just grab a book i usually go "wow I love this, should do it more often"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:21 PM
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Men have had chances of taking accountability since the dawn of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:12 AM
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A very tight grip ! It’s like when you go to their youtube welcome page and it’s always dark themed with suggesstions of : some gaming dude, some "dark humour" content, some dude with a car, some dude talking about tech, some lifestyle influencer dude who will not calling that but "a day in my life as entrepreneur"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:52 AM
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If contraception is banned im not picking a good father. I'm simply not engaging with men at all. Poland did that with just abortion and singledome rose.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:45 AM
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To be fair, men like you are also a minority, the issue is to find eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:43 AM
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I get along with men just fine in real life. I usually visit this sub once a month during pms so I can get argumentative with men i do not care about instead of my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:40 AM
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Going to a boys personal book shelf and always finding the "Rules of War" " Think and grow rich" and some Plato will never not be funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:37 AM
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That’s bs. Men follow trends a lot too. Usually those trends are based on what they think women want.When I was a teen, boys kept hating on Bieber yet so many got that surfer haircut cause the girls loved it. Then they moved on to being hipsters. Then so many hit the gym and dressed in the same "poised entrepreneur TM" outfits. Now performative males with their matcha latte and tote bags are a meme. All the guys who get into philosophy have a "I am a stoic" phase. You all supposedly think about …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:32 AM
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When I see it used is to oppose them with men. Like "men have their opinions because they had a rational individual train of thought" and "women have their opinions because it was just taught to them and you can easily change because it has no solid foundation. It’s dissmissive and false.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:21 AM
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I think overeliance on tech, the diseapearance of homecooked meals, and the reduction of parent-child time are not good things and offset by the existence of a stay at home mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:14 AM
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The rest of the study from which the stats are from also state that women in that age range get the most messages on that app. There are men on this very subb complaining about being in "the self improvement" purgartory because their improvement do get them dates but not with the ones they would really like to be with. Well of course not. I never claimed everyone gets paired with someone they find the most attractive. I said men chase the same top 10% women. They either get them, stay alone and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:59 PM
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It seems to me that you are unecessarly triggered by the use of the word. The context called for pointing out the obvious manipulation. Just like they are contexts that call for pointing out the fact that humans need to breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:15 PM
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Those convenience are 1) not that common here and 2) cost extra money that adds up. Actual cooking does require at least one hour. You're not a tradman anyway ( as in you don’t want your wife to stop working) so though we disagree, at least you're consistent. I take issue with those who call it the highest calling because they want their wives at home but actually look down on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:19 PM
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Well first of all that’s my first problem, kids have no buisness being at school from 8am to 6pm. The compulsary hours are from 8 to 4pm and a stay at home mother should pick up their kids at 4pm. So the question is then : what should she do between to 8 am to 4 pm. My mom's schedule went as such : she woke up early at 6 am did everyone's breakfast. Then she took the smaller kids to school. Me and my sister went on our own.On her way back she went to by fresh products at the market.She would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:48 AM
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I'd say yes, until they are teenagers. Mind you I come from a country where kids can be kept at school until 6pm even, and I still think that ideally one parent should not work or work part time until they’re around 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:23 AM
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My opinion is that yes, it’s important. The housekeeping is not even the main benefit. It’s raising kids. Raising kids got way more complex, parents spend way more time on child rearing than they used to 20 years ago. So all the time gained on housekeeping is reinjected. I have no kids but I work in education and must read a lot of reports on it. Kids of stay at home parents simply fair better in every single metric : grades, emotional stability, extra curricular achievements etc. They’re benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 08:40 AM
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Why not mention it if it’s true ? True, it’s precisely manipulative because they’re not saying it for the good of humanity but for themselves. And they don’t view it as "honorable" as their action towards mothers do not read as " I view as honorable". Not men as a group. Trad men are trying (and overall failing ) to manipulate women into going back to a role they do not want to do. Is precisely because they cannot partner with their preference that they’re being manipulative. Men at the top just…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 08:26 AM
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I told you I'm not judging. I'm just calling a spade a spade. I manipulate, you manipulate, they manipulate. Wether it’s for sex or relationship, it’s manipulative. My boyfriend makes white lies all the time, I pretend to believe him. Everyone is happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:45 AM
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I disagree with that. A transactional relationship doesn’t necessarly stop you from appreciating what your partner does.I'm unbothered by relationships being transactional. I'm bothered by men trying to make it sound like they don’t get much from trad roles when they absolutely do. Nobody denies that working and providing is difficult. But I hear a lot of men ask their SAHW what they do all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:41 AM
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Igo by Cambridge definition : "the control of someone or something in order to get an advantage, often unfairly or dishonestly" Control of someone = the woman To get an advantage = her pussy, her company "Unfairly or disonestly"= empty flattery And to your point, yes most people engage in manipulative behaviors quite frequently. Well, the intent isn’t benevolent either now is it ? Anyway, everything men say should be treated with skepticism. Their actions speak louder than their empty, sweet wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:37 AM
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I don’t disagree with that. That being said, that was brought up because OP mentionned it as something that shows men do not appreciate the traditional role. I think Op is right in that observation. I believe that overall men like having the feminine role performed for them. I don’t think they necessarly respect it or appreciate the effort it takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:19 AM
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You are right, it’s not flattery. More like trying to justify your manipulative tactics. Saying something you don’t believe in order to obtain something is textbook manipulation. Mind you I'm not judging, but let’s call a spade a spade.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:10 AM
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"Rarely the one they end up with" Yes because they get rejected. "Even try to go for" The women who get hit on the most are the younger ones. Men usually hit on both older and younger. With a higher frequency on the latter. "Everyone pairs up with most attractive" No obviously. That’s why so many men are complaining about not finding a partner. Their view of average is scued. I have yet to see an ugly couple. Usually one is hotter and the other is their doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:07 AM
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Then go make male friends, sweety.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:55 AM
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Yeah, I'll just take this explanation as another case of empty flattery. "We love your company so much we have to lie to get you. We absolutely don’t do it in a manipulative way"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:55 AM
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Men are disagreeable to be around. And it’s time they admit it. The reason they’re not welcomed is because they don’t make the efforts women do to fit in. They are quite proud of it in other circumstances as it makes you efficient in other settings. But it does impede on your social relations. And just like women had to learn to be less agreeable and more assertive in professional settings men need to learn how to be more agreeable and cooperative in social settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:51 AM
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How is this hypocritical ? Men should be the change they wannt to see in the world and help out their bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:47 AM
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The birthrates are at an all time low. The majority of women in age of having kids are not having any. A minority of women are making the wrong choice of having kids with the loser men and end up single. Unmarried doesn’t mean absent partner tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:42 AM
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Considering the amount of time and money the average woman spends on her looks, this is factually not true. Anyway, the argument is not wether you can still be hot post partum ( you can) the argument is that men do not want like post partum bodies. And they don’t. Every solution is basically "he'res how to make it feel and look like you never had kids"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:36 AM
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The world doesn’t revolve around you and your experience. You questionned wether some men really are repulsed by post partum body. Many are. The fact you don’t mind is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:26 AM
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It happens, less tightness etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:22 AM
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Nobody’s raging. That lack of functionality does bother men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:20 AM
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women do practice discernment and are in fact not reproducing. Rationally speaking, having kids right now is not a good idea unless ypu are part of the upper class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:14 AM
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You people are so shallow. By fucked bodies we mean bodies that don’t function properly while you are stuck on aesthetics. the weight is the least important problem. We talking about vaginal tear, pelvic floor problems, diabetes, hairloss, eyesight decreasing, teeth problems, losing nipples etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:03 AM
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I was referring to the empty flattery comment. You all make it sound like you don’t enjoy women company at all a d everything is basically a transaction to get pussy. It’s not. Simply because women didn’t havd a say in who they could fuck until recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:49 PM
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Obviously, exceptional achievements are exceptional for a reason. The more men here describe their experience with women, the more I understand why some women are so skeptical of them. What I'm getting from this sub is women should not take anything men say seriously and only focus on getting an arrangement that fits their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:34 PM
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Yes because is such an *honor to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:58 PM
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Im not talking about literal fighting, im talking about advocay work. Change is incremental. Talking about something even if the everage person doesn’t care opens up the overton window. Advancement is always made out of self interest to some degree but there needs to be someone to plant the idea, negociate it etc. We are derailing anyways. Having the right to vote was beneficial to women and claiming they’d be more listened to if they had no political interests proved to not be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:57 PM
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This is true. And families expect to have a say in what’s happening in your and your children’s lives in a way that most Western people would not be okay with. But at least, they get a guaranteed bangmaid which seems to be all some men care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:44 PM
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Is it an impossibility if it’s aldready happening ? People are not having kids and the rates are plummeting everywhere somewhat industrilized. The world is changing rapidly. Do we even need replacement rate with the rise of AI ? Isn’t this plummeting people adujsting to the new normal ? Im not gonna lie, some men here give the impression they are acting concerned about the birthrates because they want to get women to get with men for the greater good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:30 PM
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So what’s your solution ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:23 PM
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Make motherhood appealing. Pay mothers. 10% of a man’s paycheck directly goes to his wife's account if they have kids. Prioritize hiring mothers. Make remote work the default. Create child areas in every outing place. Open up libriaries àd other third places. Actually treat mothers with respect and honour by giving them actual status in society. There are many things to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:51 PM
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Wether the number of participants was big or not is irrelevant. They disagreed and the opponent got what they wanted. Social change is always pushed by a minority anyway. It doesn’t mean the fight did not happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:19 PM
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I think she liked him enough and he loved her. My father is average physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:07 PM
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The example is subpar. I am not sad about it, I am just noting that no actual human woman is being praised for being a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:56 PM
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Congo. My mom and dad were introduced to eachother. My dad was not rich but on his way to a stable high earning career. My mom fits every beauty standards in the community. He treated her like the most precious princess until she got 3 kids and hit 40. By then his career was thriving and he had young women throwing themselves at him. He started cheating, being controlling with money and berating her contributions as a housewife. She stayed to save appearances. Until she decided enough was enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:54 PM
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Not to mention nobody is telling those people that water piping or garbage collecting is the highest calling and should be preffered over making money as a trader or winning a Fields Medal
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:33 PM
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Why are we always doing this weird Motherhood vs Career drone dichotomy. What if I want to volunteer or paint in my freetime. There are many ways to find fullfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:30 PM
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And when you dig, you realize most o get matches online they are just not as they say their "looksmatch" aka not the level of attractiveness they feel entitled to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:19 PM
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They will settle for sure but im not sure they’re that happy given how so many bitch about and cheat on their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:17 PM
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I'm failing to see how this is relevant to the conversation. Wether it’s for dating or fucking, you all fight for a small subset of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:13 PM
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Im a woman and that’s not what I am saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:12 PM
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And if he wants a sex toy dynamic there is prostitution and only fans
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:59 PM
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My parents are from a collectivist culture where it’s common. I don't want it because it’s completely in women’s disinterest from what I'm seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:38 PM
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If said actions are not made for others nor do they benefit others, you're doing it for yourself, out of selfishness. Mozart did something that he loved. It brought him fame, money and status. So things that mostly benefit him. The people providing the money and fame are just objects to give him those thing. He benefited from them way more than they benefitted from his work. The discussion is becoming circular though so let’s just agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:11 PM
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If you take into account that each generation is less numerous than the one before these days and that most men rule out overweight women, the number is probably even smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:07 PM
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I disagree, you're doing it with yourself in mind first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:00 PM
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I don’t think extroversion or inyroversion is so important. I know extroverted stahm who just host people a lot and i know introverted mothers who hate it because their kids won’t ́et them have quiet time.Mostly i think you need those : loving kids and doing domestic labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:52 PM
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No one denies you need to sacrifice to highly achieve in one domain. I simply don’t think he sacrificed for others but for personal glory. I used to be a pro gymnast. I sacrificed a lot for the sport. It wasn’t for others. I just liked earning medals. Otherwise, people would not call women who sacrificed having kids for career selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:46 PM
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I don’t understand how men can pull out those stats everyday and not realize they in fact all fight for same top 10% women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:34 PM
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So we agree. Feminism was a reaction to men’s disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:21 PM
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Let’s take Mozart then. Great music. Didn’t sactifice himself for others though he just was really good at composing music and is celebrated for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:17 PM
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Not necessarly. Many peop’e do things because it's their duty and they do it well even though they don’t like it. Many of our ancestors had to do that in many ways to survive. The reality of being a SAHM is that you do repetive, gruelsome work all day. You need to deal with disgusting fluids a lot. And you never have breaks as everyone feels entitled to your time since you "don’t work". And since you have no money you depend on your husband a lot and need to ask permission for every purchase. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:07 PM
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Yes. I invite you to look up the extensive research made by the OECD on parental preference, domestic abuse, division of household labour, workplace discrimination and sexual harrasment. They do worse on every single metric (especially Korea and Japan, Chinese men behave better because they have a gender imbalance due to killing off their daughters in favour of having a son). Koreans and Japanese people are also expected to go extinct by 2100 as their birthrates are abyssymal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:01 PM
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I've been in feminist circles for a decade. Yes such feminists exist but they’re a vocal minority. It serves capitalism if everyone girl bossing. That trend is aldready dying off in GenZ women. Today’s gender war is mostly a labour issue. Most women still want kids. But they also want to keep their autonomy. For that they need money. So they delay motherhood/end up not having kids because they end up never making enough or it’s too late when they do. There are many ways in which this could be so…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:52 AM
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Why do they need to love it for it to be admirable ? What’s there to like for a woman ? I'm genuinly asking because I'm under the idea that men seem to think SAHM just play with their kids all day then go and have shopping sprees with money they didn’t earn. That’s not how it goes for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:44 AM
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I'm not projecting I'm reading what you wrote in plain english. It was a shitty argument which is why they lost that battle. Politicians cater to their voters. Every groups that gains right to vote sees their tangible legal rights increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:25 AM
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It’s aldread kinda happening and we are in fact fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:14 AM
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Please note you are only the 2nd man on this thread to answer a genuine and simple yes. Feminism has not poisoined the mind of any woman. Women saw the disrespect and decided they wpuld no longer perform that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:11 AM
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Please note that so far, you are the only man who simply answered yes to this question. Men who are celebrated these days did not sacrifive themselves for others. See Andrew Tate and Donald Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:09 AM
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Yep, because it’s only women who are being given empty flattery in exchange of their essential labour and deterred from doing what actually pays. No one is going to male finance graduates to give them speaches about how plumbing is more important than increasing shareholders revenue. Op is calling out the obvious double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:51 AM
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But no one is claiming fatherhood is the greatest achievement for men. Op is calling out the hypicrisy. Tradmen want SAHW because it’s their preference. They should just say that instead of using empty flattery.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:44 AM
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Thanks for the honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:40 AM
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I mean, there was a conservative man recently telling women university graduates that high prizes, nice diplomas, and careers are nothing compared to motherhood. So it’s a fair question. If motherhood is greater than all these achievements aren’t you supposed to admire mothers to the same level as Nobel prizes holders ? But you don’t none of you does and that’s why you all felt the need to write a wall of text to this simple yes/no question. In your scenario do they tell the inventor of the Redd…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:37 AM
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So the answer is no ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:27 AM
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Op is simply calling out the hypocrisy. Many men claim they admire it to lure women into doing it. But don’t actually follow through with actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:26 AM
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So feminism is just women randomly disrespecting men and mgtow and red pill is the logical reaction to disrespect ? Your bias is showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:14 AM
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Collectivists cultures make for crappy marriages where women put up with bad treatment to keep appearances. I have yet to meet a woman from such a culture with whom I'd like to trade places. Collectivists culture are doing even worse than the West once women can make their own money (See East Asia or Iran)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:37 AM
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I was raised to love and I didn’t. What i find interesting in this thread is that so far no man simply answered "Yes I do find it honorable".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:27 AM
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This. The condescension mixed with flattery and he is completely unaware of it. He unironically said "a group with no political weight is more listened to"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:15 AM
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According to your logic, feminism is a reaction to the massive disrespect towards the feminine traditional role.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:12 AM
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You're not answering the question though. And if your only example is a mythical woman who got pregnant while being a virgin...We have a problem. Men have actual men with actually doable things as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:09 AM
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Also both Red Pill and Trad Wives content caters to men. Women are not receptive to it when they try appeal to them they go the "divine femine" route
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 03:24 PM
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