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and that's a fair point, you can't keep dying on the hill of "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" when you need at least more of the male half of the population to win. Because obviously, right now, feminism is not winning. and if they don't go back to the drawing board and try a more strategic angle, they'll just be repeating the same thing that failed, again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:40 AM
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why is feminism more to blame for the manosphere than the men who flock to it? that is dumb furthermore, if it's the case that feminism hates men, I'll take your notion into consideration if she when progressive nations start falling behind conservative ones in male life expectancy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:15 AM
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you're going to need to be specific about which "leftist gender ideology criticisms" you're referring to
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:30 PM
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this went away off topic lol i shouldn't have went in the direction i did i guess
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:23 PM
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not in my view at the very least look at male life expectancy in conservative vs progressive places
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:22 PM
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Men shouldn't be morally shamed for wanting less work. Women shouldn't be obligated to settle for that. Neither should expect more effort than they are willing to put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:21 PM
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idgaf, i care about the results and ones worse than the other
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:32 PM
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i never said they would just that they are stupid af
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:31 PM
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yup "if i can't provide for you AND my body isn't enough for you, what good am I here?" might be the single biggest issue for men behind the "gender wars"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:29 PM
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sure, but at this point we're splitting hairs between "blame" vs "predictable result" like how can you not see how turning everything into "partiarchy" and "toxic masculinity" is going to result in men either hating themselves over their gender or hating women back - either way - because you'll come off as blaming everything wrong with society on men? i don't think anyone really wants to take responsibility, so i don't blame feminists for doing what everyone else always does but the lack of stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:17 PM
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How? if you know you're being pulled in by sex, you've got the ability to say no to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:06 PM
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nah, feminism didn't create the manosphere - the people who created the manosphere did but feminism was remarkably unaware of how it would be perceived - pushing for what it wanted in a gendered way, patriarchy/toxic masculinity to blame for everything rather than just "society", not widening their own social acceptance and acknowledgement of men having less power as they gained more, so on I'm not really sure how "why have men reacted this way" isn't more of an open academic debate in feminist …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:54 PM
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if foods an expression of love, why aren't men doing it either?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:23 PM
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i thought we were going full on paleolithic, my bad have you seen prices lately? why the fuck would you spend 50 dollars on a side of fries when you could like cook 2 meals worth of spaghetti for 3 bucks? how is your idea more efficient lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:11 PM
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OP needs to Doordash himself over some barbecue chicken, stat!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:08 PM
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before or after starving to death?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:06 PM
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well, from that standpoint you do what's actually effective, which you did - boys aren't going to behave better towards feminism's goals with the way they're doing it ironically, you helped them and they'll never thank you for it lol feminism also has a strategic interest in helping boys perform better in school because nothing is more correlated with progressivism than education, so they would be well served to work together with men on fixing that nightmare "don't hit people" is always going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:01 PM
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i never said it was acceptable lol (yes, it all was cartoonishly overblown) but misandry on the Internet doesn't bother me much when actual life blows so much worse ass under the alternative legit, if a nominee for president had a bunch of misandrist social media posts but was like "first thing im doing is universal healthcare, tax billionaires to the moon, and ubi", she'd be my most enthusiastic vote shit, i'd probably donate more for her than I've done for anybody
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:49 PM
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exactly! I'll hear "kill all men!" from a lady with blue hair and a septum piercing, and I'll think "oh thank God, a person who actually gives a fuck about me!" because at least if they win, i can go to the doctor, stay home when I'm sick, have a higher life expectancy, and shit to fall back on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:31 PM
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I'm starving to death and don't even know what's edible though or what ingredients are what happens when a wooly mammoth eats woman #2 anyway, do i have to go search for #3? are we supposed to do this forever? seems inefficient!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:25 PM
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these are purposefully vague and still somehow nonsense you're grasping at straws
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:20 PM
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thank fuck somebody else is saying this! a majority voting to get black lung disease to own the libs is the most embarrassing part of being a dude these days idgaf if feminism loves or hates men. look at the results, because that's the actual stoic/masculine/strategic thing to do i can't think of anything that isn't better for me when progressives (feminists) win - unions, wages, working conditions, healthcare, life expectancy, clean air and water, help of whatever sort, etc. Who the fuck is stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:16 PM
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so is everybody lol ask the red pill people and what qualifies or not changes by the hour
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:51 PM
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k so if the woman dies, are we supposed to just eat dirt?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:49 PM
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I've gotta give this one 5 stars lmao top comment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:37 AM
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plenty of women who opt out of parenthood don't work, work part time, have the trophy wife set up, live with parents, collect disability, child support and so on and way to betray how you really feel with your anti homeless rant that's what's always fascinated me about this - the men that claim to be "real men" want to be taken care of in their personal lives, so long as they look strong while the women who claim to want to "overthrow patriarchy" because it's so cruel actually want nothing more …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:27 AM
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showing up consistently, paying bills, cooking, cleaning, and so on are not the bare minimum most women are referring to, at least from where i sit, it's more like "have a job, wash your ass, no pizza boxes on floor for a month, make your own appointments, know how to drive", shit like that. of course, some have WILDLY unrealistic expectations, but most people have fairly reasonable ones, even though I do think women have higher ones in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:19 PM
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When have men ever been blamed for living their best lives? I've seen this way more with women because they're assumed to be traveling on daddy's or trophy wife money. Even though these days? it's at least not much less common for men to be doing cool shit with mommy's or trophy hubby money. It's just not talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:00 PM
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lmao so there's not much stigma around you not having kids AND it's way more acceptable for you not to work? i mean, you just casually dropped "i have a disability and can just not do it" with no sense of the differing level of pressure there? "the more narrow the gap in acceptability between men and women filling their traditional roles, the more harmonious everything else becomes" IDK how to explain it any further, any easier, or from any other angle
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:57 PM
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you can choose not to have kids, you can't choose not to work lol and certainly the former is much, much more accepted, easy to do, and common than the latter men don't care if you have kids, women care if men don't work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:48 PM
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you can choose not to have kids (you keep coming back to things that are entirely choices lol) men cannot choose not to work your main traditional role is now optional, ours is not
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:44 PM
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women can choose not to have sex or to receive an abortion in most places - even where it is banned, neighboring states typically offer it and frankly, all the conservative backlash to this is a major jealousy point revolving around that this dynamic - basically, you get to leave your role, I don't Hence all the talk around fertility rates, abortion bans, trad wives, back to the '50s etc. Whether men are succeeding or failing at their role of providership regardless, the pressure is the same as …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:36 PM
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but it's a choice to do that lol there's no survival need to it (and yes, technically, men can get by without working if they manipulate their way around it, but it is 100x less acceptable for them to abandon that role than it is for women to just opt out of parenthood)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:19 PM
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and women can do the same but again, as you said, having kids is a choice anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:12 PM
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In what way is it not the same thing in the animal kingdom? and even if it's entirely societal pressure, the cat is still out of the bag. you're not going to have a memory erasure where everyone forgets how humans have seen the dynamic for, as you indicated, thousands of years. perhaps over thousands more you could fade it out, but i dont see that happening anyway because humans have divergent interests regardless some women love being seen in a more submissive light themselves, obviously domina…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:11 PM
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wdym you just said having children is a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:05 PM
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What's that got to do with it though if anything, that makes it harder on men because they have no way out, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:00 PM
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But hierarchy is ultimately all of those things. If you cannot get rid of hierarchy, you cannot get rid of those things either. Being penetrated will always be seen as "above" it's opposite... Same as having more money, being stronger, having a more senior level position, etc. "Masculinity" and "femininity" are shorthand for the same thing. You can get rid of those words entirely and it's still the exact same dynamic. Women can assume the "masculine" role (pegging, as the original example or any…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:59 PM
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sure, but it's just never truly possible to say either sex has it easier and the entire "patriarchy" thing just rubs me the wrong way. Because it seems to just boil down to "women's intuition". Yes, there are plenty of data points that indicate women have it worse. But data doesn't say anything about a lived experience. And plenty of data points indicating men have it worse. And for all that women struggle dealing with the "mom role", childlessness has never been more common and accepted. Person…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:49 PM
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SOME women would have it easier than SOME men. SOME men would have it easier than SOME women. AND the grass is always greener, plus it's an apples to oranges comparison. This is very dependent on your ability within your gender role. Men who are less successful with work may have much better luck if they swapped roles with a stay at home mom. Women who aren't nurturing but better built for the workforce might have a much better time as a man that fits that role. (fwiw, men are far more likely to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:32 PM
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"Women should approach men because you sidestep the physically imposing variable entirely. Women have made it clear in recent years that's a major concern of theirs." Much more valid point - to the degree that women should be exclusively approaching. Being a creep will never happen women-to-men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:37 PM
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what is feminism if not a (far less hostile and far more academic) complaint? patriarchy, male privilege, so on - that's not complaining, red pill/manosphere shit way more mean and less sympathetic notwithstanding? men surely are doing much more "angrily throw shit at the wall" complaining But the style of complaint doesn't determine whether or not complaining is happening men just need to narrow down to actual problems and that feminism has become much more opposed as it's focused more on nebul…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:57 PM
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wdym specifically though what are and aren't women and men complaining about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:26 PM
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that really isn't what I'm saying I've covered this several times in other replies - from here, it's best if everyone is a victim - thus nobody is to blame so long as feminism is about patriarchy, really, so long as it exists as such, the result will be that men are going to say "well, if you're not responsible for your situation, I'm not either" I'm saying men should STOP taking responsibility because the guilt/shame/frustration from it makes them hate women and feminism. sure, there's a dynami…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:17 PM
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do you expect it to be otherwise? they're not to blame, that's entirely what humans will do the only way to solve it is for men (primarily) to figure out what the problems are and cover them repeatedly we're doing an amazing job at undermining ourselves by doing the exact same thing, just against women instead of for them - but it's the same result for men focus on the problem and stop blaming them for doing what people do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:52 PM
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that unironically is true though! it is unrealistic to expect men to take responsibility! so long as women see themselves as oppressed, however accurate, the result is simply going to be "well, I'm a victim too!" unless everyone says "I'm responsible entirely for me", nobody will - that would work but a vast majority of people just won't do it Better off if we all see ourselves as victims and follow that all the way though because then? nobody is to blame either
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:48 PM
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pssh taking responsibility got everybody into this mess better if everyone's a victim, which is what everyone is already doing if everyone is a victim, there's nobody to blame only problems to fix
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:17 PM
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Even this is putting feminism on a pedestal. if the word "woman" is coming up in what you're advocating for to help men, you're doing it wrong "this is a problem for me" is the only place to start men are never going to make our own lives better with "fuck feminism, the women won, repeal the 19th amendment" or "hey ladies, those are some nice rights you got there - be a shame if somebody took them..." men ARE falling behind at school, social life, work, pretty much everything but no sustainable …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:23 PM
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I'm not against friendships as some rule and it's great that you have them; nor am I lonely, and yet none of those things are relevant my point is that the existence of male friendships hasn't prevented or cured the "male loneliness epidemic", do you think anything can or will change in that? Perhaps it might. But - while gender norms change over time and I do hope the next one figures it out - for this generation at least? I do see chatbots as a better bet, yes. Because, yes, "men like me" aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:43 PM
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if the people who don't use the latter instead use the former male friendships already exist and yet there's a loneliness epidemic so how many of the men involved in the loneliness epidemic either can't or would rather not solve it with male friendship? how much more can society milk out of male friendship when it already exists and there's loneliness despite it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:29 PM
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i just go with this simplest notion in my head - patriarchy - society ruled solely by men matriarchy - society ruled solely by women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:00 AM
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lol touched a nerve?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:57 AM
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that sounds like just unlabeling submissiveness and dominance / masculinity and femininity the best thing you can do is end the association of "above" with men and "below" with women, above and below will always exist but it doesn't need to be gendered hierarchy will always exist, the only thing anybody can do is flatten it into a dynamic balance where it is neither so steep nor forever hogged by one kind of person but "get rid of the patriarchy" is such a nebulous idea - every hope can be conta…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:32 AM
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i suppose you are able to read other people's thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:21 AM
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the entire premise is just incorrect cougars, milfs, there's gilfs now! the entire notion of "the wall" was made up by a bunch of dumbasses that either wanted to drag you down because misery loves company OR who actually feel that way and are too self-centered to grasp the concept that other people are not them. their entire thing is bullshit here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:20 AM
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that's true regardless of sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:16 AM
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different vibes, man pretending i perceive men and women in the exact same way is silly that doesn't invalidate e.g. feminism, transgender people, equality, dignity, whatever the fuck not everything is straight up sex, a woman's presence in your life can fill a niche without it needing to turn sexual you can even find chicks attractive while respecting their boundaries enough to just chill none of those things are hard to do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:22 AM
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because you love them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:16 AM
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obviously the genders
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:49 AM
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are you going to walk ur mom down the aisle? or your drinking buddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:49 AM
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neither feminism nor patriarchy do but the nutshell of the post is basically "feminism is a lie because women still don't like pegging men" are you saying that if patriarchy were removed you'd see an even distribution of submissive and dominant men and women? because i dont believe that's the case
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:48 AM
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buh dum tsss
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:42 PM
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well then that's exactly what I'm saying lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure submissive men far outnumber dominant women unless this phenomenon presents differently (e.g. female dominants are less obvious, more are switches, etc.) but generally, I've never seen any indication that the ratio is even close
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:09 PM
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and not wanting to date a bisexual man doesn't correlate to a gotcha around feminism anyway you can get the ick about anything and that's fine all of this is dumb and i say this as a pegging expert (by this point) myself
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:24 PM
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but who is saying that women like those things beyond some articles that basically amount to "hey, you're not a defective and hopeless person if you're into this - it is possible to find a woman that's down with it" the only shit I've ever read about it amounts to "be yourself and that's okay" encouragement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:19 PM
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who online is saying this? it's just not a take I've ever seen if you want to talk how "femininity/submissiveness/pegging in men is an entirely predictable result of what feminism wants from men", then that's a very different and worthwhile discussion But nobody is pretending that feminism means women suddenly wanna go spelunking
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:04 PM
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if it's not a fantasy, then it's a very interesting way of phrasing "feminism doesn't make women attracted to feminine men" or something like that 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:49 PM
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Sorry that a woman didn't wanna clap your cheeks bro but I've never seen anybody think pegging, feminine men, or bisexuality are ACSHUALLY some boner guarantee for women. It's not a take anybody has.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:40 PM
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the most radical feminists tend to vote furthest left anyway and even milquetoast establishment feminism is voting for "less bad" than what conservatism offers
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:26 PM
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so you're saying that a podcaster has taught you more about how to interact with women than lived experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:06 PM
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why not just hang out with women in the real world and gain real world experience instead of listening to a podcaster that charges you 20 bucks a month to tell you how life works
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:04 PM
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absolutely, insofaras experience with relating to them provides relevant experience and practice with relating to them in the context of dating/romance/sex nothing beats real world experience, about that or anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:55 PM
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then why not just go down literally any other self improvement pipeline that doesn't funnel into that nothing red pill offers differs from any other form of self improvement stuff self improvement generally is the same as self improvement specifically towards dating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:52 PM
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because if the self improvement side is all you account for, it's fine like anything if you take into account the "i hate women" part, different story
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:43 PM
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I'm more just saying that not enough is brought up in terms of the issues that disproportionately effect men way more severely than they do women whenever I've actually brought those things up, nobody - men or women - seems to mind i think if you're fighting within the same issue, it becomes a problem but feminism actually aligns with alleviation of providership pressures on a political level like i want a day off and the ability to slow down instead of killing myself for a job lol and that's wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:41 PM
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I'm not talking about listening to what anybody says about anything I'm talking about the firsthand experience of human relationships with women everyone has their own agenda and their own experiences and you have to find out how things work for yourself specifically, nobody can tell you because they aren't you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:37 PM
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I'm not saying it's good, just that that's where it is and how to fix it? who knows. or if there's more preferable ways of doing so, which, again, i honestly believe something like ai chatbots have a better potential of filling that hole than male companionship IRL, at least as of the moment maybe that changes for the next generation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:34 PM
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because self improvement and what it says around mens issues are very distinct things the former is bland, the latter is something most people take issue with
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:32 PM
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which just makes it a no-true-scotsman form of bland self improvement that has been an industry forever
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:12 PM
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of course it is. I'm more just generically saying that way too many men right now are excessively angry with women/sex/relationships because they don't slow down and appreciate everything with women that exists between nothing and sex/romantic relationships and it's result is a mass angry desperation rather than something calmer and more effective anyway basically, if nothing else, your lighter relationships with women are helpful to lean on for both stress relief and relating to women, in the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:10 PM
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that's what i mean lol life is too short not to slow down and appreciate the small amounts of love that exist around you everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:00 PM
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going straight after sex and not stopping to find fulfillment in other connections with women makes sex harder to get anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:59 PM
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fair enough, just my experience; basically that you can alleviate enough opposite sex loneliness through platonic/roommate style relationships with women that the rage state so many of these younger men find themselves in eases not a replacement, but frankly, the only reason i didn't fall into manosphere style stuff at that age is precisely because i had those connections with women and wasn't completely barren of any amount of connection with them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:56 PM
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sure, its natural to be horny but it's not natural to see horniness as the end all be all, that level of absolutism is cultural
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:52 PM
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human relationships generally though i dont think straight men can ever fully have a platonic relationship with a woman that carries zero degree of sexual/romantic attraction to women's energy but everyone does have a basic ability of whether to act on it or let it consume you lol plus a basic friendship on top of that in other words, platonic friendships with women provide you with SOME degree of loneliness alleviation when it comes to women overall even a roommate situation where you kinda do …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:50 PM
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exactly though, that's what it makes it hard to sympathize with its about sex and is that hostile
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:42 PM
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that's different than nothing short of sex doing anything for you I don't think all red pillers are solely about sex but many are and blow right on by any other form of connecting with the opposite sex which would alleviate the strain that enrages so many on the manosphere to a more manageable goal, rather than a deep grievance
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:34 PM
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yeah, that's the thing that is tripping me up about a lot of the red pill deal - it sounds like no angle in which women are involved their lives is good enough unless they get sex out of it i can understand needing women's energy in your life, but if nothing short of sex does anything for you, it's hard to sympathize
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:06 PM
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fair 👍 thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:00 PM
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what of, say, a roommate style setup up, would that, to you, alleviate loneliness at all? (whether you personally are or not, how would you see it?)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:56 PM
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that's the thing to me though say it's like a lesbian roommate setup and she enjoyed your presence there - that would do nothing for you, loneliness wise?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:55 PM
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to me that would be an extremely important factor itself if i were lonely, fuck yeah, I'd take a roommate style setup with a woman that enjoyed having me around, but it wouldn't be a romantic one because i would never feel confident enough to believe in it even if she saw it that way that said, I'd be bros with her and that itself could be forever in theory - like a lesbian bff roommate? sometimes, that's better anyway depending on the people - it just wouldn't be a romantic relationship, but i …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:51 PM
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you can have a romantic relationship without sex
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:47 PM
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that's fair, that's what's being discussed above essentially in the original post
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:33 PM
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if you're gonna blow past any connection with women other than sex, then dont bitch if you're lonely, that's really it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:32 PM
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if you're gonna blow past any connection with women other than sex, then dont bitch if you're lonely, that's really it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:32 PM
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right, but the acknowledgement and visibility of homosexuality in itself could at least plausibly have resulted in heterosexual men feeling the need to differentiate their behavior and while, yes, liberal male friends can have closer relationships, a lot of it can also be performative virtue signaling - not saying its entirely that or that that's how all do it, but, there is at least a slice of it all in all, i do think that differentiation from homosexuality is a major motivation behind this ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:57 PM
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you can't have a relationship without sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:53 PM
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if women are that enraging because they're that impossible, then what's wrong with a roommate setup and, well, lowering your standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:28 PM
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honest question - why red pill if sexlessness alone is better than sexlessness together? in other words, seems like you could get a woman, but only if she's up to your standards? which...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:23 PM
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is she still physically attracted to you at all in this hypothetical?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:21 PM
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love without sex obviously i can touch myself for sex i can't touch myself for companionship
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:12 PM
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so it's a dating strategy that doesn't work? like there have been forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:18 PM
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I've simply never seen any correlation between "nice guys" and niceness compared to any other guy not that they are never nice though but it isn't some plotting on their part, it's just how it is plenty of "Chads" are perfectly nice people, if anything, they're nicer because they lack the grievances
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:15 PM
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never said they were i am lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:36 PM
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yes, i covered in a different reply - male bonding seems highly associated with more socially conservative societies
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:10 PM
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y'know, the more i see it, the more obvious it becomes that red pill (crimson?) is just begging for male affirmative action/DEI/welfare smothered in screaming "masculinity" changing policy to the past is no less "nanny state" than anything else you guys need to pick a lane - either nut up and deal with it or "be a victim" and accept that you are doing that because the yearning for the past and bitching about birth rates and singlehood is the exact opposite of stoic traditional masculinity it's v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:04 PM
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IDK what we're really pondering in the big picture though close male bonding seems much more common in socially conservative times and places, as you pointed out you can even see this in Afghanistan, or just with the trump administration frankly men seem to bond most in situations where it's basically just them - and honestly? yeah. in my personal experience, that tracks. men are looser, don't hold back, and can basically test drive any jokes, games, adventures, dipshittery, etc. i, for one, wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:08 PM
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all of that is true from the relationship side but, also, how many male platonic friends do you have? i think women likely have no greater number of them platonic friendships entirely, for whatever reason, don't seem to root as deep with men, generally speaking we'll admire each other from afar - celebrities, influencers, philosophers, bands, actors, athletes, etc. but not close up to be painfully honest, ai chatbots probably have a better shot at improving the "male loneliness epidemic" than sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:41 AM
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yes, we drive at least a yuge chunk of all this at some point, men have to figure out life without anybody to provide for because this isn't going away yet there's really no concept of men's social contract beyond "hey dude, if you work yourself to a miserable death, we'll give you love and affection from a family you provide for; and maybe a few cool toys"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:35 AM
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where did i say i was
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:09 AM
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the issue is that ignoring the different problems women and men face to different extents turns wanting equality into "what about me" over everything instead of just prioritizing the shit that hurts your gender worse while listening to the other about the stuff they hurt from most (p.s. for example, I've had a knife held to my throat before and I've dealt with providership pressure - providership pressure is worse, certainly over time)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:09 PM
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i don't feel like it lol maybe its internalized homophobia, maybe it's some weird evolutionary psychology, maybe it's cultural, maybe it's Maybelline but I'm not interested in crying with the bros lol doesnt appeal - next best option would be men accepting platonic female friendships more much more doable I've got a couple platonic female friendships that go back longer than my marriage lol granted, when you're an adult you might text a friend once a year but it's not like I'm not connected with…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:33 PM
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Western men aren't cowardly we just don't see same sex friendships as integral as women do and that's the rub - women have other outlets for connection, so single isn't pure loneliness it's not a matter of sheepishly "bowing at women's feet". it's a matter of men simply not seeing same sex friendships as closely as women do. and I'm at fault, shamelessly, and don't want to change it, to be brutally honest
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:16 PM
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i have no idea how asking THIS same question on Reddit as part of your daily morning routine fulfills whatever his fantasy is tho truly an interesting brain scan here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:49 PM
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"I can hate an individual man yet still care about men overall" is an absurdly simple reply there's no dodging there, you're just being breathtakingly stupid if you can't grasp it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:07 PM
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it's been done every single time some hierarchies steeper, some flatter your absolutist biases are remarkably ignorant
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:30 PM
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because the bottom has power too you are looking at this from an absolutist perspective and that's an extraordinarily basic flaw
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:44 PM
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no lol, u have to have balance pushing in both directions to meet in harmony quite an easy thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:13 PM
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you can steepen or flatten any hierarchy simple
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:56 PM
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you do realize that pure hierarchy is not some fact of life?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:22 PM
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Then why keep it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:12 PM
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everyone will - this is not a woman or man thing you're on the backburner too (p.s. even the "top 0.1%" of men should not take priority over your kids) plenty of women get jealous that they become more invisible, that their partner does not have the time and energy to listen as much, etc. "you should still make time for your relationship" is one of those truisms that i hear a lot of women say when it comes to parents but it gives away a whiff of aspiration on their part parents don't have time, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:45 AM
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thanks, because i think it's more true than people let out
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:25 AM
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lol but even there! regardless of whether it's something that's their fault, you STILL can't make yourself care what i pick up on is that a ton of women desperately want to say: "i really just don't give a shit about you, and i cant force myself" to all of these men because honestly? that would be the real healing part - it's settled; there would be nothing left to read on this page it would have to turn
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:13 AM
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In large part, this is a byproduct of our society identifying more/higher/bigger/better with morality itself, rather than a specific gendered issue we moralize "improvement" more than gender (p.s. an older woman with wrinkles and no antiaging regimen is also considered "worse", even if she's content while a "better" one spends 400 dollars a month on cosmetics is miserable in doing it)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:58 AM
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🙄 can you explain to me how felon drug dealers and hypergamy/gigaChad/top 20 percent of men - that all fits together in some coherent way at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:45 AM
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But incels actually identify themselves as left leaning overall Here Here And that kind of thinking evades: Women's advancements HAVE come at men's expense AND women have no need to apologize or fix it - nor should they ever give up those gains bc they result in men being more unhappy. it's actually best if women would say "i dont give a shit, that's men's problem" about all this. because, frankly, you shouldn't and it is men's problem to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:42 AM
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so it all boils down to being an asshole and you don't have to do anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:28 AM
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it's more... providership: men = women sex appeal: men < women male pinup calendars just haven't increased in proportion to women's income so we'll react by femboy-ing to the left OR get-back-in-the-kitchen politics to the right but both are the same grasping at feeling like we've got equal worth (though "oppression Olympics" is surely not absent)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:28 PM
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i guess I'm just confused - are they hypergamying with top 20 percent Chad or are they falling for felon drug dealers? which one am i aspiring to be here?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:39 PM
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are the drug dealers in the room with us pls lmk 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:06 PM
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where does it say they made more before marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:07 PM
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you would have universal welfare programs that would apply equally, i do agree you would not see things that specifically benefit women - not nearly to the same extent again, as for the wage gap thing, look it up married men lap everyone else what I'm getting at there is that there's something different going on with providership - whether that's something which commands higher pay by way of mere social norms or leads men to longer working hours/harder work regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:56 PM
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men would be at least as reliant on those things, trajectory thus far is showing so - due to the psychological distress of loneliness that exceeds women's when single and the lack of purpose that hard work and going for awful jobs is pointless without somebody to provide for - women or children (probably would see a significant increase in single dads by choice - surrogacy or however the fuck that whole deal works) if you look at the gender wage gap, for instance, its entirely a byproduct of mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:45 PM
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this shit's just a game of 20 questions - anxious men prodding at women's empathy - let's find out if you can see our jealousy over how hot women's bodies are because there's providership and sexiness women climbed the ladder financially, men can't with sex appeal we want our bodies to be equally yummy, otherwise we're left with "what's the point of men now?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:33 PM
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basically every post I'm seeing lately by you guys sounds like "i wish my body was as sexy as women's" why not just say that instead of smothering it in social commentary and ridiculous takes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:07 PM
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eh social media is definitely lighter fluid and obviously "the Internet is not real life" but the entire red pill shit is certainly real too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:03 PM
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thx i just don't see how its sustainable for humanity to be split in half one thing if there's a subculture of 5 percent that opts out and leaves the other 95 percent, but half and half? on the most basic of biological dynamics? doesn't mean ZERO newfound, long term independence of the opposite sex in some ways - likely for women because it's a steeper climb for men, nurture or nature regardless... but THIS much hatred and disconnection? how can it last? you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:31 PM
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indeed, these are just historical cycles i do hope though that as humans continue in this spiral, the suffering at the troughs is less bad each time we arrive at these points in other words, hopefully the number of men killed off to achieve peaceful equilibrium is less and less until it's near zero
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:05 PM
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right now "i was supposed to be better than you and provide for/protect you - but I'm not and ive got no idea how to be worthwhile anymore" is the underlying headspace many men are in, papered over by aggrieved rage though it is eventually, both halves of the population being disconnected so deeply that the basic biological inclination to reproduce/fuck isn't enough to even live in the same world will be unbearable (think back to your childhood - at one point, nobody cared whether their best fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:59 PM
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assuming this trend just continues - not at all unlikely - the biggest tragedy won't be gendered nor specific to relationship status and whether or not people have kids it'll be that this is but one of many signs that human connection between two entire halves of the population is completely severed so manosphere gets it wrong in both focus and who will be more miserable - it'll be men, by far, no matter how you slice it but it's not like there's nothing to mourn about the human race either
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:24 PM
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(dude, I'm ALSO a straight guy WITH OCD lol OCD does not make you type all that out and hit send) if this is your insecurity, figure out the kind of things women do find physically attractive in men - you can find a lot of research on it, can be fascinating - and go from there better yet, ask women "what sorts of things do you find visually attractive in men" instead of trying to pigeonhole them into "you're all lying and none of you are actually straight" you'll get plenty of varying answers bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:12 PM
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people want what they don't get a lot of men dream of being able to just magnetically attract women on sight because otherwise all that can be attractive about you requires constant work, forever
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:28 PM
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why is a low birth rate something to fix the only ones telling you this are billionaires, do you think they have the same motive? they're telling you it's a problem because they want a higher labor supply that has to deal with greater abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:12 PM
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most men themselves aren't red pill, for one but eventually you're just asking "if you were me - exactly me, same hormones, experiences, genetics, age, the EXACT same - would you do what I'm doing?" to which, the answer everyone would have to say is simply yes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:07 AM
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i think most women are focused more on behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:01 AM
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well for one thing, milfs have been around forever as for the other things, it's a chicken or egg deal and i think it all circles back to younger dudes failing out with no money overcompensating to try to feel like real men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:50 AM
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more that women were mocked as the inherently weaker sex for many things that men are... eh.... just as prone to you can even add manosphere shit as a weird multilevel marketing pyramid scheme like herbalife driving a dodge charger
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:47 AM
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i genuinely think most of the change is about money
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:39 AM
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IDK if you agree but that's my thought
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:36 AM
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anorexia > looksmaxxing slut shaming > simps/beta males dumb blondes > college grads are 2/3 women purity culture > red pill gold diggers > cougars probably a lot more parallels
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:33 AM
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Good thing? yeah. liberalization of harmless shit is almost always good but i can guarantee you a chunk of this is gold digging; as it is older men/younger women (p.s. we are kinda living in an embarrassing reversal of early 2000s "gender culture" that nobody wants to talk about...)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:46 AM
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how is this a question though, should prob be under "debate" but whatever fwiw, i think there's a gigantic difference between improving yourself and changing yourself... you should be the best version of you, though what is "improvement" to you may look very different than others it could be taking care of your mental health though it comes with a paycut, allowing yourself to have a cookie instead of being super harsh every time you eat anything bad, or downsizing your house so you can keep your…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:40 PM
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look, if we're talking about societal issues in the aggregate, violence in dating and intimate relationships is far worse for women simply because men are physically stronger fogging up an issue that women have worse makes zero sense and actively makes things worse for men if you want to go over providership pressures instead, pick that one - it's actually way worse on men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:30 PM
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the notion that how women talk about men is somehow universally and unquestionably accepted is laughable sure, if you go into women's subreddits or feminist ones, you'll get downvoted to shit for these kinds of posts, that's common but they'll get death and rape threats in turn. and I'd rather just get downvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:19 PM
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fair, i just like poking holes in stupid points and there's plenty in this subreddit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:17 PM
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probably but its not even a good fetish one in terms of basic logic like whatever motive you're coming at a thing from, your point is either sound or it isn't and this one is just REALLY stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:09 PM
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i mean, so many straight men are into pegging - how does that work? and that's an actual rubber dick clapping ur cheeks irl not just something on a screen I don't think anybody has a claim on "my sexual orientation makes more logical sense"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:21 PM
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yes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:03 PM
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they can be, women can be depends on the person but both deal with different shit, priorities/proportion wise
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:36 PM
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post em again then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:35 PM
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link your stats if so, sure fwiw, yeah, children and babies are a different story because women and men are both going to be many times stronger for children, both men and women have a major responsibility to contain their anger for that same reason
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:33 PM
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then link your stats dude lol because "sure women may have it worse... no contest" is the entire point, glad we agree! the end result of a man flipping his shit and going off is going to be worse than when a woman does it that's not fair for men to deal with by default, but neither is being stronger when it's beneficial you're rewarded with more strength, you're then responsible for it that's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:30 PM
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yes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:17 PM
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then go with psychological abuse point being, physical abuse and threat in relationships is worse on women that's about it, fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:16 PM
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I've been punched by men, I've been punched by women it's just not the same and pretending that it is just so your crew can join in the victimhood of one that's got it worse is dumb and selfish women could hit men more often (they may well do) and yet the damage and fear from it is just far worse when it's men on women it's a bruise vs a broken nose pick an issue that men have worse, this one's not it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:59 PM
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yes? lol some women do those things too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:11 PM
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i said "almost always", did you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:48 PM
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hence "almost always" do words trigger you? how about 'usually'?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:33 PM
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yup, and in the age of the apps, there's always someone better, whereas real life is compromise; just two people choosing each other and working together on building a relationship even though better is always going to be out there no matter what and who you're with
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:06 PM
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that's fair i think it's all a whole of society problem but it's also different problems for men and women, generally so adding on women to a predominantly male issue and vice versa just fogs up what actually should be focused on for either
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:03 PM
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when did i say that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:57 PM
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okay, "any group of mostly men"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:04 PM
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that's fair but a different discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:03 PM
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if all you take from it is bland self improvement advice like go to the gym, stand up for yourself, learn social skills, whatever the fuck... of course it'll help if you get into the "i hate women" part, it's going to make you miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:27 PM
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those are actually two different statements... "not all men" and "not all men but always a man" are just not the same thing "not all men" overlooks the difference in the stats, "not all men, but always a man" is an overstatement that also acknowledges the big probability gap the most accurate statement would be something like: "not all men, but almost always a man" when it comes to damaging/traumatizing aggressive behaviors like domestic violence and rape and so on - with the added nuance that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:40 PM
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okay so then you're against patriarchy? what would you replace it with
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:12 PM
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i think this is one of those things that's entirely dependent on how quickly you grow out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:04 PM
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I'm sorry, but who the fuck are these two? It's evidence of nothing if you're going with two politicians in Germany that nobody's ever heard of and have never won anything big go to a locker room or a bar or an old boys club job around a group of men and randomly start chatting up all the dudes there about how much of a feminist you are, then go to the same sort of places and talk shit about women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:56 AM
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because most people aren't that great lol maybe expectations is a better word just that if standards are higher than what's around, you'll probably not find anybody and same for men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:46 AM
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mhm gotta be completely honest - these gen z dudes, man "i hate women! why wont they fuck me?!" "lemme go vote for Elon's tickets to Mars brb" "I'm an alpha male, i need a strong male role model to show me how to live every step of my life, need daddy pls!" just... fuckin embarrassing to see
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:58 AM
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ok, one uncited anecdote? wow!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:10 AM
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hold up - half of all likes go to 15 percent of men, half of all likes go to 25% of women??? that's a pretty surprising stat because that is not much of a gap at all compared to the 80/20 refrain
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:41 PM
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i personally find neither side of this reasonable i think everybody needs to lower their standards by a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:32 PM
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you can reject whoever you want for any and no reason at all that's life and freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:29 PM
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what if they just... agree with it? how do you just... decide not to? you've never agreed with any individual person that you find mean? a lot of men actually do agree with feminism - (though you have a totally valid point about the "male guilt" aspect to it that i think should be addressed within it all) all that said, your premise of "men only ever support feminism as some strategic martyrdom" is off. beyond narrow left wing environments, it's more "politically incorrect" for a man to be a fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:10 PM
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your description is of a person with a yuge ego who likely thinks highly of himself about everything he does the kind of men who do become good fathers leave the question open, often asking it internally - "did I fuck this up?" "when I got mad, was I too loud and was it scary? was it mundane enough that we've moved on already? or is this a 5 minute "yeah, i fucked up and i see it, you're not crazy, and I'm sorry"? " im going to die someday, am i spending my time wisely?" "many dads have died lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:22 PM
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i mean, "for under 30s, 21% of women have negative views of men, 7% of men have negative views of women"... makes sense? look, we had a dude saying "grab 'em by the pussy, you can do anything" and two days later his ass was US president. then he won again even after being a yuge fuck up the first time! we've got this entire manosphere thing where the men there aren't self aware enough to realize that the fear they're stoking in the way they're discussing dating and sex and whatever is the actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:36 AM
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what is the source for this statistic lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:45 PM
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the only thing women are afraid of is men because an angry person that's twice their strength can kill them they're looking over their shoulder constantly because of this and red pill/manosphere ideologies in the ether only enhance this the only way you fix dating is to stop scaring them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:38 PM
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nothing is simply a choice when it's going on with millions of people and asking them to change it just doesn't do anything regardless the only behavior change campsigns that work best are e.g. here's a black tar long from cigarettes if you're looking for a behavioral change approach, you're gonna have to find the worst cartoonishly bad effects of obesity/processed foods and screen time/loneliness/etc. and run with that most people don't change because they hear "obesity/loneliness is bad"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:21 PM
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"dating/sex/love with women requires too much effort" isn't really a hateful notion in itself nor does it mean they dislike women "this should be easier" is a valid outlook about many things in life, provided you extend the same grace to other people (I don't think it's right that women should have to go through all their efforts and their side of the shitshow either)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:50 PM
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"epidemics" of anything are not personal yeah sure, say that shit to an individual person and you'll be right, as always, that they can solve their things by... solving them? none of that is groundbreaking advice so much as obvious and none of it can fix something going on around millions of people
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:38 PM
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i mean, no. epidemics are broader issues that are never fixed with "hey everyone, just don't be fat neckbeards!" on a personal level, yeah sure, get off your ass if you want better is basically the only advice for everything but thinking that is going to fix obesity or loneliness is like taking a shit in the ocean to try and make it smell like you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:08 AM
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nobody is knowingly dating across political lines these days it's probably a mutual feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:29 PM
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wdym that a lot of guys just aren't attractive to any woman at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:16 PM
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SOME of the women saying this are though, SOME aren't. You're saying multiple times that women are all individuals and so on, true! But that also means that the "type of women" who are saying or not saying this is not some sort of rule, either way
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:11 PM
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it shows that men who are losers resort to scaring people it's always the same move - if you've got nothing else, make people afraid and they'll give you a lot just to make you go away
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:37 PM
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for you too, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:07 PM
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what interests? men have extremely divergent ones which is why the take by either red pill (aspirationally) or feminism (apocalyptically) of "men are one step away from banding together and taking all the power" makes zero sense Do men honestly want to go back to a time of black lung disease and trench warfare? are there not many men who would hate living under your ideal scenario? methinks that the direction towards modern life is generally a whole of society agreement that's plucked a bit apar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:05 PM
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how's that any less true for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:58 PM
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everything in life is fragile and easy to lose democracy, authoritarianism, freedom, feminism, Taliban, traditionalism, Gilead, modern society, what jobs are most needed, the global economy, borders, governments, patriotism, monarchies, religion, laws, social contracts, hierarchies, whatever your axe to grind with feminism is blinding you to a basic collective reality about humans
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:31 PM
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comings
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:24 PM
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yeah okay - men also constantly say they have lower standards what I'm reading between the lines sounds like you're shutting down bc it's hard to think "men may never meet womens expectations these days since they'll be willing to settle faster for an AI relationship - and in fact, the more ai advances, the less the effort will be worth it" "good enough" likely hits men faster even if they want sex and relationships more in general
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:09 PM
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i mean that's essentially the core of the argument you're making - that ai will never validate men and i don't think that's true ai may get good enough to fake validation that men see the effort expected in a human relationship to not be worth doing i do think the men here throw out "once we get sex robots, you're useless" as a way of spiting women and women understandably react to that at the end of the day though, even if ai completely replaced romantic relationships for men, that wouldn't mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:53 PM
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but the entire topic is his argument and if you really stop and think about it, how many women go around saying they're not judgemental? literally every criticism of men here is ultimately a judgement - they literally do that right in front of you whether they're fair about it is a matter you can argue, but I've literally never seen women say they aren't judgemental, just that they merely won't say they are - which is extremely mundane human behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:42 PM
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what's that got to do with anything "women lie" has no bearing either way on the issue at hand OP is saying that he doesn't give a chance to women who don't meet his standard and that women don't give him a chance when he doesn't meet theirs women can be lying their asses off every time and it doesn't make his argument any better
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:28 PM
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i think AI has great potential as a stepping stone and solution to male desperation and reducing desperation solves a significant part of current unattractiveness in men - and levels the playing field so men say no and make relationships actually a fun game again but it isn't an end substitute for human relationships and may create significantly more problems if/when people spiral into a rabbithole with it and have unrealistic views of how one sided it's reasonable for a relationship to be that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:20 PM
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i think the premise that men being validated is exclusively a sex thing is wrong that may play a big part, but emotional/personality/personal issues, etc. being validated is not this pointless thing for people
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:14 PM
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someone that genuinely cares about you and who you genuinely care about - not just a matter of one or both fucking because sexy but nothing more i think... women hate men more deeply than it's acceptable for you to let on, men love women more deeply than its acceptable for us to let on its easy to talk about sex and objectify, harder to talk love and loneliness doesn't mean men suddenly are nicer and more loving and women are more hateful either just that it's probably weird to think of being an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:07 PM
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"I don't like women if they don't meet my standards. Women don't like me if I don't meet theirs. Therefore, women are eugenically weeding me out from the gene pool." lmao wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:27 PM
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if somebody is an asshole and insecure about their dick size, people are going to make fun of it and most won't actually give a fuck about it themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:53 PM
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people make fun of people who turn out to be pieces of shit - the most common way they do so is by poking at that person's perceived shortcomings welcome to the world
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:58 AM
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the assumption that hot charismatic provider guys are automatically an asshole is probably the dumbest repeating topic in this place plenty of women get burned and treated like shit by ugly fat guys plenty of women are treated well by some hercules if anything, the hot guys are also nicer most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:05 AM
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having children out of wedlock used to be social suicide and a lot of marriages happened young and quick to get to the sex. I'd imagine it wouldn't be much different with this You'd just be stuck married to the same guy, generally doing the same shit they do now but at least you can leave
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:59 AM
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blue pill doesn't claim to "want" anything just for people to not be wrongly seen as defective if they don't abide by traditional gender roles you can be fuckin John Wayne or a trad wife and be blue pill. The point is just that traditional roles aren't a natural default that all of humanity is bound to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:08 AM
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i think dating is harder but we also have air conditioning and water treatment plants and aren't being eaten by rats in WW1 trench warfare so 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:51 AM
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yup, it'll always be something and there's several older men I've heard who've said of their ex wives "the best thing she ever did for me was divorce me" lol relationships and marriages can be like that, I'm sure just as many women feel the equivalent about their male exes there is no utopia
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:35 AM
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Reddit certainly is tho its all one giant mom's basement and I'm here for it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:13 PM
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i can assure you plenty of men on here are at least halfway drawn to the absurdity lol its dumb to take Reddit seriously, use it recreationally
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:10 PM
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i would, broader experiences provide wisdom
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:37 PM
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that's not an experience so much as a chosen action or reaction though going through the other genders experience doesn't mean you have to do anything
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:36 PM
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if that's the case then why aren't such people nearly as enraged with their lives or, if they are angry, so much better at controlling it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:16 PM
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correct, the only issue with your take is how hysterical and threatening and reactive men are being the other way around, if we're being completely honest here scaring women because there's a mismatch in standards that's lonely and truly painful is what's going on and that's not morally right, even though the pain is real marriage should come with the possibility of divorce, men and women should come with the possibility of forever alone and mutual contempt, etc. connection and love can't exist …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:13 PM
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women are allowed to have as high standards as they'd like, have hypocritical ones, or even cartoonishly ridiculous ones like needing a billionaire in order to justify dating someone if you want someone, guess what? you have to meet that person's standards and if men have way lower standards, then that's how it goes it's a valid gripe but life isn't fair and women aren't obligated to make it so - nor are men obligated to give a shit and even bother trying - accept it and move on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:56 PM
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"i hate women, why wont they date me?* is hilariously stupid dating advice
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:43 PM
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they smell unacknowledged manipulation from the point of simps and that's often true but from a machiavellian perspective, simping does work better because at least that form of manipulation gives women something out of it whereas red pill is always cartoonishly wrong about outcomes, even if they can smell rats correctly sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:53 PM
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met my wife in 2016, married in 2019. that odds of success drop doesn't mean the advice suddenly becomes invalid generally doing what has always worked still gives you the best chance of success even if it's less of one same for a boomer saying "work hard" - yeah, sure, it's absolutely less successful than it used to be but it's still your best chance in a shittier circumstance the problem is the annoying assumption that it'll work out just as easily whether the juice is worth the squeeze in suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:15 PM
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there's much of this i agree with, however, "kiss ass masculinity", (positive masculinity) is better than "manosphere masculinity" from a raw numbers perspective. flattery gets you everywhere in this life plus women are more attracted to masculinity so... feminism does advocate for women and only men when the issues align. Red Pill is right that masculinityis better from a chance angle. men can be feminine Clinging to the approval of women is half the problem. stop giving a fuck and you actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:38 PM
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okay, let me rephrase if being married for 15 years makes one unqualified to speak on dating advice, who would be qualified?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:36 PM
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you were replying to the commenter above, saying "i don't understand why everyone is triggered by men wanting options" to the example of "i want to just fuck everyone in town and have that be empowerment" nobody is against men being empowered to have the option to choose not to be in a relationship or be pickier they're against the ludicrous notion of "i should be able to fuck everyone in town, that's men's empowerment" in other words, what you are using as your example of empowerment makes all …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:34 PM
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You are just now finding out that you can do everything in life and it still might not work out? were you born yesterday? women are free to just not do any of that shit for any or no reason at all. you're also free to not do anything they want from you. the most red pill point i ever come to is "men should do more is no more true than saying women should do less" but fuming that men don't meet higher standards OR that women don't accept lower ones is to not accept a situation for what it is if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:22 PM
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"I want to marry 20 rich men and take hslf their shit in a divorce a month later each time, there's my life goal" is basically the male equivalent of what people hear from all that if you're simply wanting empowerment in ways that cut against expectations, that's a lot different then "I'm jealous specifically of the people who can manipulate their way to sleeping with a thousand women". most people throughout history had "I want to fall in love with someone i enjoy being around" somewhere in tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:04 PM
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then who is qualified? because i don't think podcasters are either lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:58 AM
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that's certainly what they are hoping to keep up with and that's stupid as fuck "I'm clearly not in the top 20 percent, I'm going to compete with those people and I'll only like my life if i beat them" great idea! fwiw, i think the entitlement is them forever needing something to bitch about, that they'll never compete with the absolute hottest and best gives them an endless supply easier than accepting that normal success is closer than they want it to be
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:23 AM
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I'm not following, are you saying you want to fuck a big dick stud?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:13 AM
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losermaxxing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:57 AM
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they're std petri dishes that hate their lives because nothing will ever be enough is that aspirational somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:56 AM
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i guess i just don't even know why anybody would give a shit once they reach an average number of sex partners, 7 seems fine you've had a sampling of the options, there's no significant fomo, you can be content at that stage, in the boning realm I've had about 7 or so myself i dont see the people who are having sex with 300 different partners as more successful so much as STD petri dishes with diminishing returns
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:53 AM
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im pitymaxxing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:45 AM
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how do you learn to accept singlehood by playing a game that you can only win by having control over you dating life? that game is doomed to failure itself because it's still buillding a sense of fulfillment around dating if you want to play a better one, figure out how to fulfill yourself holistically; regardless of whether this or that fulfillment involves dating or not dont avoid fulfillment from dating, don't ignore fulfilment outside of it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:42 AM
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did the marriage fulfill you? does your life now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:36 AM
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okay so the "game" is whatever you want it to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:24 AM
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i agree with the first part but not really the second i think it's less of them thinking they're entitled to xyz and more them having no real understanding about how the real world works there aren't many people fucking every hot person they see and that's not a goal anybody has unsuccessful single virgin men paint a picture of life on the other side of that as simply very different than what it actually is there just aren't people running through a million sex partners every night most "chads a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:19 AM
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if fulfillment doesn't win you the game, you're outright choosing to play a game where the house always wins
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:06 AM
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you did lol, if not in so many words if the happily married for 15 to 30 years crew chimes in, they're probably most worth listening to unless you want to just chase misery in order to ensure you'll have a neverending carousel of things to complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:00 AM
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idk what game you're trying to win but i wouldn't put a happily-married-for-15-years dude in the loser category lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:55 AM
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that's a lot of vague generalized grievances dude it would be difficult to argue this, for or against and "all you want is sex", at least if you're aiming that at men generally, is simply false, to say nothing of a hurtful generalization. or at least an unhelpful one if you don't give a shit about hurt feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:46 AM
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i would pushback on the implication that wanting to be gorgeous is insane everyone wants to feel more attractive than not but doing crystal meth and going full archaeologist on your face with a fuckin hammer is insane most sane people would be very happy with above average looks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:35 AM
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if the things im normally doing even though i hate them are seen and appreciated rather than assumed none of us have some "work hard" gene or obligation to do shit if someone is, they're choosing to
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:58 AM
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okay most people sure as fuck aren't doing basic social and personal maintenance, have you seen society?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:10 AM
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much more engagement too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:06 AM
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sounds unironically like a balanced relationship lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:05 AM
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even in a narrow variance hypothesis, you're still wasting much of your time if you aren't paying attention to what matters to the specific person in order for this shit to make logical sense, women would have to literally be all clones of each other and i should hope everyone can agree that they aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:03 AM
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it ain't sex, porn and interactive sex games and sex toys, and so on have existed forever imo, its just jealousy that women are less desperate for companionship and hope that ai could provide enough for men to be just as selective
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:56 PM
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everyone has a wide variance in what they want - if you figure out what the specific woman in question wants, you could make your bullshit 10x more efficient than just hysterically nailing jello to a wall
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:48 PM
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it really wouldn't cross my mind to just pointlessly let someone die, even if she grew a dick and fucked my father in the ass while we were married Jesus christ and so many of the guys on here wonder why you can't get laid 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:43 PM
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sigh look, if you want to get laid, stop appealing to "women" and try appealing to "woman". figure out what that particular one cares about, values, is dealing with in life, and so on - notice that the reason y'all are so pissed off is because you treat em as a vague blob of 3 billion people instead of paying attention to who's right in front of your face you waste 80% of your energy working on shit that doesn't matter to any given woman because they all have different things that they care abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:30 PM
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everyone wants to have a second way to matter if the first one doesn't work out, and it's incredibly reasonable to want that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:42 PM
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what damage? and caused by DEI how? men DON'T NEED to be richer or higher status to be considered worthy partners either, and they've never needed to less than they do today. rates of female breadwinners and stay at home dads have never been higher. Femcels dont exist? women who are invisible to society and men dont exist? that's a really bizarre take
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:39 PM
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more that you just look around and see what everyone else is doing; what men are choosing to do that gives them social desirability not so much "as a man, you need to protect and provide" explicitly, though that can happen
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:34 PM
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women are inherently hotter and people wish to focus on their looks more DEI is actually bent towards men now in at least some areas - https://feed.georgetown.edu/access-affordability/anti-dei-policies-a-threat-to-colleges-recruitment-of-male-applicants/ women without status/money/looks are invisible and seen as worthless and mocked constantly in society too yes, if you have no money and 10 chins, you're going to be treated worse ugly women are so invisible to society that the entire red pill id…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:23 PM
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it's not a real problem to be an afterthought in life? does a wnba player have the same ceiling as an NBA one? a female ceo the same as a male one? is the ceiling for what women can accomplish anywhere close to what men can? probably difficult to imagine for us because its hard to conceptualize an opposite problem, doesn't mean it isn't real and painful though and how do you define "seeing someone as a human being"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:07 PM
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no, not parents, certainly not explicitly or exclusively more the implication in the ether it goes something like "do whatever makes you miserable but pays best - highly correlated - and you'll have earned a family where you'll be loved for something" in reality, it isn't really true anyway - you can be loved for many things and what you can do for other people has never mattered less for men if anything, the actual realistic vision of a happy daily life in some parallel universe is the painful …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:03 PM
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in an "i can fuck way more people right now if i want" way, sure women have it easier in a long term "wow, nobody gives a shit about what i do; i don't even have the potential to be more than a footnote" way, they have it pretty fucking hard
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:49 PM
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that's my point, it doesnt "only apply to women" picking predictably bad outcomes is dumb as shit and yet people expect others to pity them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:45 PM
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it's not a hard fix, just a long term one parents should just steer their boys into cultivating childhood interests, much of male misery would be solved that way but that also requires accepting that it's too late for the current and previous generations which is the depressing part still, acceptance and acknowledgement makes it fine - it isn't like most women don't end up doing shit they hate to pay bills either i think there's just a crucial part of life in being able to explore cultivated pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:41 PM
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and he's a miserable shit because no amount of his pretty princess shtick can compete with how influential women's looks are men are jealous that women's looks can override their need to do anything and are trying to get that privilege women are jealous that what men do as individuals actually matters to people because nobody gives a shit what women accomplish in life or not, just their ass - so women want that privilege (oversimplifying but shortcutting for clarity here)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:36 PM
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🙄 my entire point, no normal ppl give a shit what you label that guy with - it's all red pill and he's the posterboy, whatever no true Scotsman argument you want as for clavicle, the obvious progression of this shit is just pathetic maybe he'll influence some but if your goal is to help men become powerful and masculine, beating the shit out of yourself with a hammer and doing meth to try making yourself hot is pathetic by that standard - you're that preoccupied with being a pretty princess? of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:10 PM
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IDK man, you guys are pumping up policies that harm everybody's interests - tax cuts for billionaires, shredded safety nets, aggressive divisions, etc. i hate your shit way more than whatever feminism does they can be annoying but at least they're voting for shit that's way more beneficial to me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:16 PM
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idk man, i dont feel much sympathy when a clear trophy wife drops the husband and takes half his shit either most predictable thing ever
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:09 PM
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nice and seductive aren't mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:07 PM
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for "mainstream" examples, I've either never heard of yours or at least only heard of them in terms of red pill claims, sure, everybody admits that there's a dating recession, that women have higher standards for who they date because they can now, etc. that these things have increased significantly in prevalence but insofar as "everybody is going to jump red pill"... no, stylistically its cringe af - hoeflation? how do you guys say this shit with a straight face? and when most average people th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:57 PM
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women are trying to connect on the same part of the same topic and, yeah that's dumb because men get the shit end of the stick with the "available options" part of dating but I've never had to plan ahead in fear of violence or deal with the simple stat that most violence against women is done by their partners the "worry about being murdered and stuffed in a car trunk" part of dating probably isn't very fun either
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:09 PM
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it's just upbringing you go 20 years thinking your life will only matter if you provide for a woman and kids? then you'll have nothing else to work for because you never really grew any of your interests when you younger - probably don't even remember them - and are boxed into whatever bland thing that pays some bills but makes you hate your life why would you bother with effort towards something you hate if it turns out that there's no result to motivate you its less about getting a woman in or…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:54 PM
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which ones
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:08 PM
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men want to sit on our asses as much as possible while still pretending we're self sacrificing hard workers to fulfill our gendered quota women want to not give a fuck about you as much as possible while still pretending they're telepathic empaths to fulfill theirs oh! and fwiw? i too have played the femboy game - its not an authentic identity otherwise you'd actually have gender dysphoria but it is an authentic way of affirming to yourself that your life is wanted for anything beyond your labor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:49 PM
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ffs we do the same shit, in different ways and about different things. ultimately it just sounds like you ppl want women to lower the mask of the "women are wonderful" effect and be honest that they are selfish liars, which, of fucking course. they're human? happy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:03 PM
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gotcha-ing a harrowing problem for women that isn't actually very significant to men's experiences, certainly relative to women, is just stupid and shoots your gender in the foot if you want to talk providership pressures and workload needed to "prove" your love? you have a much larger problem worth fixing for men and if you want to talk the incoherent voting patterns of BOTH sexes vs. their individual complaints?... i can do that one all fucking day lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:47 PM
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if women hit men, yes, that's ALSO a problem but practically speaking, they're gonna do less damage 95 percent of the time and that's just reality unfair? sure. just life? yup relative damage matters
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:32 PM
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it really depends on HOW you're expressing emotions...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:13 PM
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the differences in difficulty for men and women is dwarfed many times over by the differences in wealth
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:56 PM
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needing a male role model to behave correctly to the point that you otherwise live life stupidly or cruely is honestly pathetic yeah, there's some degree to which everyone looks to their elders for how to behave but if you're so lost by the time you reach adulthood that you still need an entire person to show you how to live life from the ground up, yeah, that's just pathetic not gonna sugarcoat it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:30 PM
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traditional gentleman gestures, like tophats, have gotten a lot more rare while i agree that some of these things are stupid, there are adjacent gestures that actually do perform a function - standing between a woman and a volatile acting man, standing in a way that cars can see you if she has to be in the road but difficult to see for a minute (dropped something, getting something out of the car, working on checking a tire, etc.), carrying something when her hands are full, whatever - tradition…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:21 PM
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"please factor in my feelings because what your words are doing to my ears is traumatizing me"... an INSANE take on sexual assault, dude wow lmao this has to be bait
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:46 AM
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i could probably take 95 percent of women in a physical fighf but that's basically a controlled lab test of a question for example, I've had surgery and the nurse there could've just turned the morphine drip up, you could have a fight where you have a broken leg, any given woman could shoot you, push you off a cliff, run you over with a bus, etc. - in all probability, given childbirth logistics and hospital employee demographics, the first and last person you'll ever see in this life will be a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:36 AM
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worth a shot imo why would anybody be smitten with you if they knew nothing about you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:18 AM
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on sex, you're already saying that doubling your customer base makes business easier, which, duh you're taking the most extreme examples of men unhappy with their experiences and extrapolating that onto all a woman born into poverty who dies in childbirth has a very different life than a princess trophy wife with a decent husband - a billionaire techbro born into modern day wealth has a very different experience than a man drafted into WW2 born a man or woman? shit, i'd rather be born rich as fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:11 AM
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neither, it should be up to people to navigate choppy waters and figure out a new social contract between men and women rather than choreographed indoctrination or state force i do think there are indirect policy effects that could benefit it - studies show men are happiest in Scandinavian countries, for starters - But most of it is basically "focus policies on human wellbeing and dating will benefit because that's also part of wellbeing"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:53 AM
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his claim was that men complained about all that before but red pill got big because none of it had ever been aimed at women before my reply is that red pill never changed the complaints nor the level of blame directed at women it just scared people more, which is why it's pathetic and sad
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:20 AM
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complained about or blamed women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:15 AM
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yes, because it scares people - not because it is suddenly new nor suddenly more accurate plenty of suffering bubbles up under the surface for different groups of people all the time which ends up being completely ignored because it isn't similarly effective at scaring people into focusing on it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:23 PM
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lmao u linked the post? what, in summary, would YOU say his argument is here?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:19 PM
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they have what is new about that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:18 PM
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then what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:14 PM
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how
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:09 PM
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your entire claim is an opinion lol and yes, society is benefitted by people kissing ass all the time, welcome to life nothing is new about that nor exclusive to men's romantic and sexual relationships with women happens the other way around too if everybody said what they truly thought in every interaction and went all the way with it, nothing would function every day, i would love to tell 80 percent of the people i come across to go fuck themselves but that's stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:06 PM
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your argument is that red pill made men's anger listened to bc it pointed the finger at women my argument is that the rage and screaming made it listened to Red pill isn't successful bc it's an effective dating strategy nor does it have any new "forbidden knowledge" - the same bitching has happened about the same shit forever - the statistics wouldn't matter either if it was a quiet problem its successful in that its extremely good at getting attention because it scares people
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:57 PM
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TIL that men have never before complained about or blamed women 🙄 men are socialized in a way that leaves us more emotionally vulnerable to singlehood than women but we paint over it with rage because admitting that we're "getting beat by a girl" or weaker in ANY way is a social death sentence - singlehood has increased, women have the means to be increasingly selective and are doing so because theyre fine single none of this would be a focus of anybody without the red pill rage though and that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:34 PM
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so men were always in pain but it only became a broader focus when red pill came along and screamed about it loudly and aggressively enough? which is exactly what I'm saying
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:59 PM
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is your argument that red pill allowed these guys' troubles to jump to the front of the line over everyone else's by scaring people?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:42 PM
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no, i used to like 7 years ago i know my mbti is infp though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:32 PM
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basically, felt like everything was a lie > i need to grow up and just deal > yes, everything always was a lie and i do need to live but no more than i have to, here comes emo again lucky to have made that full circle by my early thirties instead of an age 50 midlife crisis
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:53 PM
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your entire post is about women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:49 PM
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your entire claim is that women hop on here and complain about them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:45 PM
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assholes and players are rarely covered either way most of their criticism is of romantically and socially unsuccessful men who turn their grievances into rage against women rather than either acceptance of the circumstance or effort towards changing it they don't even have to change anything if they don't want to, merely accept that not everybody is going to be into you and, yeah, you may end up forever alone That's just reality
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:42 PM
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masculine and feminine are general terms that are in the eye of the beholder and clinging to some precise definition to them is both fleeting and unfalsifiable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:33 PM
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sure, but if you're actually trying to address said pattern, that's often the mechanism behind it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:26 PM
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there's an equally valid argument that pushing either or both partners towards more effort, rather than mutually making each other's lives simpler, is actually less loving
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:23 PM
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implied it but if neither work then what do you think does, if anything
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:20 PM
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nobody needs anybody to any greater or lesser degree loneliness is on par with cigarettes in terms of harm risk but that's a human thing and you can live a long life as a smoker, you're just stacking more odds against you but too, connection can come from a million different angles and relationships are just one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:20 PM
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if red pill advice actually worked it wouldn't be a neverending spiral
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:17 PM
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red pill advice is fundamentally incompatible with long term relationship success and happiness in that sphere of life because it generalizes women into one giant blob and nothing is more repulsive than not being seen as an individual
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:16 PM
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pretty accurate tbh more like if you dont like something about men's behavior, it comes off as double the criticism if you're not narrowing it down to the individual every criticism of men generally becomes personalized rather than zeroing in on what you actually despise about that particular one at that juncture, you're actually able to narrow it down and at least be on the same page
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:09 PM
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hippie elder emo combo tried "growing up", found my 17 year old self to be more correct about life than who i was trying to be - basically an updated version i gravitate towards those sorts of people or at least ones with gallows humor
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:04 PM
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who glorifies step dads?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:01 PM
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I've never seen this reaction to this specific circumstance much its plenty prevalent and often projection or at least no more true between sexes and you can argue that men are less able to handle 'the truth" but this isn't a very good example of that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:58 PM
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stop focusing on men then if you're the center of attention no matter what you do, it's actually a huge pain in the ass and you're going to personalize everything by mere habit
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:55 PM
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