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The things people are owed are determined at the societal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 04:57 AM
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It should just be legal. There is a certain % of guys who will never get a wife no matter what they do and are perfectly happy to pay for someone to fake like they like them and there are a certain % that either enjoy being a sex worker or can't imagine doing anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:22 PM
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Yes, the problem is my reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:14 PM
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Of course but even if it is it is based on immutable characteristics. Oh well at least I get to be unique
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:11 PM
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I had one removed for "ranting" but I don't see that in the rules. I don't believe trolling is the same as ranting or using theatrics to present a point in an entertaining manner
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:02 PM
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How do we know the statistics weren't doctored by the manosphere to encourage pimping and limit women's autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:01 PM
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So the answer is no. If you had any practical experience, you'd quickly realize it's not like the 1980s with pimps anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:55 PM
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Now imagine that is every single woman on the continent between the ages of 18 and 80
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:08 PM
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I've only had experience from apps. Women who are interesting participate actively in a conversation and do not ghost you or give one word disinterested answers. They also agree to meet you in person and don't ghost you as soon as you ask. They don't use being busy as an excuse when they are willingly choosing to be on an app designed for dating. They take somewhat of an interest in your life. Obviously as a man you have to do 90% of the work unless you're a Chad. I'm just asking for 10%
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:05 PM
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based
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:00 PM
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have you ever had practical experience with escorts?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:59 PM
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do you have any real practical experience with escorts?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:56 PM
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about 50% of the time you have someone claiming you're "selfish bro" or "negative bro" because you are unattractive. It happens all the time on this sub. Someone who is selfish or "whining" is considered a bad person. It's a statement that your character has failed
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:54 PM
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I've had people on this sub many times claim I am a bad person because I can't find a partner. People use that as proof of something when everywhere you go you find retards, abusive people, narcissists and boring people in relationships. What you said isn't untrue but many people go the extra mile and make character assassinations about people because of something outside their control. You are correctly observing that immutable physical or behavior traits cause chronic singledom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:52 PM
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so why aren't you out there slaying, stud?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:45 PM
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The bar is beneath hell for women. If you can hold a conversation and pretend to have interest in someone for 5 minutes, you're already way ahead of the average woman
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:44 PM
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I've been thrown out of places before for chatting people up. Usually seedier places that are based in mob rule though. In some bars the bouncers or security guards just want to fuck someone up
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:43 PM
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I guess I am a subhuman then. I have been on dating apps for years and never met a single person.. I've been ghosted hundreds of times after 1-2 messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:38 PM
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I am saying you don't have to do anything to your appearance but you choose to and then complain that some invisible force made you do it. Absolutely no one cares
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:47 AM
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I would have more success flirting with a brick wall TBH
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:08 AM
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I mean this sub is mostly the same 30 people posting over and over
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:46 AM
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TRVTH NVKE
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:13 AM
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Just put a t shirt on and go outside ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:10 AM
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Some of the most bitter women are ones who whore it up the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:08 AM
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They would never get this because to them, the 100 guys they swiped left on and the 50 they left on read after two messages are subhumans
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:07 AM
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that person sounded like a ghey tiktok high schooler
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:04 AM
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The thing is my life is based around that because I don't have a friend circle and my job involves me being posted up in a hotel by myself and going to job sites solo. I'm not complaining about that because I didn't like being in an office setting. Logging off for me does nothing because there is nothing for me to cling to
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:03 AM
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I guess I could make a psychotic car video that 6 people will watch lol. I used to do video diaries like that but I deleted them all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:59 AM
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Women don't have to do anything to alter their appearance in any way. They just do it out of vanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:58 AM
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People create threads like this telling you you are a piece of shit if you struggle with dating, leading to internalized shame about not having a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:58 AM
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It's weird that people who claim to have completely normal social lives and are supposedly amazing citizens 24/7 come on here just to dunk on the common folk with threads like this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:54 AM
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You're getting a snippet of people's lives. I don't go spewing black pill shit to my coworkers. It's like seeing someone at the gym and thinking all they do is work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:53 AM
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That could also be the case. As an unloved man, I can only theorize
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:28 AM
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It's somewhat tongue in cheek. Some people need to realize people can make a joke that is somewhat truthful and it is not trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:16 AM
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This is true. I believe that if people lived the life I lived, they would probably kill themselves. Some people can't even handle a week of no one around nevermind a lifetime
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:55 PM
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Yeah I know but materializing a social circle at 28 when you have lifetime of rejection isn't that easy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:53 PM
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Someone like me can't haggle anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:52 PM
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A lot of it is necessary but a lot of it is unnecessary. We need managers and security guards and admin staff but the reality is every org has ridiculous admin bloat whether it's a hospital, power company, school or whatever. The "support" inflates to a ridiculous degree and even the most productive parts become sales gigs (ie an HVAC technician "upselling" instead of fixing and such)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:57 PM
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This is the problem I have with this regular on this sub who insisted I was a selfish horrible guy because I don't have a social circle. You can't measure it. Moral sort of concepts are usually just fabricated opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:38 PM
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It's just that if a woman agrees to go out with you, she probably likes you. Why is any emotional proof required past that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:40 PM
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If she agrees to date you, it is reasonable to assume she likes you and continues to like you until proven otherwise, which would become apparent if she doesn't want to see you again. As a male who struggles with expressing emotions publicly, it would be unreasonable to expect a woman to be over the top expressing emotions and fawning over me. Although, it is more likely that a woman would be more expressive than a male, it exists on a scale just like everything else
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:23 PM
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I mean if I ever went on a date with a girl which will never happen, I wouldn't get butthurt if she didn't fawn over me and if the date ended, it would be reasonable to ask if another one would occur. Maybe I am missing the point
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:17 PM
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This made me laugh. However a lot of the people who post here come across as hostile which makes us -cels think they are gloating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:16 PM
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2 - this strategy I would imagine leads to a lot of disappointment and unfulfilled covert contracts between people. It also would have a very low success rate 3- I was being a bit cheeky but I get this quite a lot because people actually believe this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:29 PM
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That's sort of a delayed reaction though. They got in through the door using words, then when they succeeded in their mission they got lazy or complacent or maybe nothing was reciprocated
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:26 PM
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It seems like a nonsentence but people often say "Simple as"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:05 PM
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I mean in the event that this woman doesn't do that he just says "OK bye"? Seems a bit weird
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:04 PM
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Normal people can make them by accident but not me. I had some at one point but like everything else in this hellscape it is just transient. I actually do go to a boxing gym on the weekends. I'm not sure I have a favorite really but in general I'd rather watch strikers because I am low IQ when it comes to Jiu Jitsu
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:58 PM
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I'm honestly amazed that they even start. You have to swipe 1000 times to match twice, then one or both will ghost you. By the time you actually succeed you're already burnt out
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:55 PM
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True it could be a selection bias but for me, I almost have zero hope of having kids at all. Knowing this, I just want to feel good so I don't think twice about having a beer or 12 on the weekends. If it takes 10 years off my life, then that is just 10 less years of someone with no one coming after them anyway. If I had a kid I would have to set a good example for someone probably
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:53 PM
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Hopefully it made you chuckle a bit. It is a bit exaggerated but I do believe there are some grains of truth here. The problem with "outside" is you need predetermined reasons for interactions otherwise you are perceived as weird. For example if I go to a bar with a friend group, it's completely normal. If I go by myself then I either need to have perfect social intuition to able to read the thoughts and minds of strangers to avoid offending them and being excommunicated or I need some sort of "…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:47 PM
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Yeah I don't get it. I'm just advocating for a basic structure that eliminates ambiguity and creates a non religious inclusive non privatized environment which can prioritize the needs of the collective nation while also not forcing anyone to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:44 PM
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I would imagine some women are more stoic than others. They may also have social phobia or shyness. Why would someone need to visually express excitement in an over the top sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:42 PM
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I'm trying to envision this playing out. You guys go out on a date and then it ends.. then he says nothing? He doesn't ask if you want to meet up again?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:40 PM
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If you're being true then you're in the minority. I find myself getting dirty looks or hostile reactions from time to time. Like for example I would glance at a group of people and someone in the group will glare in a hostile way or if I interact I often get hostile responses in some form or fashion. So usually I try to avoid eye contact but people have also told me that it's wrong for me to look down or away from people for instance at a gym. You really can't win if you're perceived the wrong w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:35 PM
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No I mean for instance in my company, we have service technicians who are sent to do jobs. In those jobs, $0 will be made if the technician isn't physically there changing the power supply, control board, whatever. Everyone else is there to manage, support or whatever but none of them would have jobs if there weren't technicians. A problem occurs whenever "technician" jobs become glorified salesman which occurs in every company including mine but thankfully there is less of an emphasis on upsell…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:30 PM
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Sucks for me because the main thing people describe me as is "quiet". I just have major social phobia but some people perceive it as threatening unfortunately which creates a circular pattern
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:23 PM
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I'm glad some places are no haggle. I despise all forms of sales, therapy or anything framed as "soft skills". If you are not literally transforming a raw material or physically doing something in some way, then at best you are just supporting the people that do that or at worst parasiting off of them. Oftentimes "soft skills" are just people regurgitating things and buzzwords in familiar way that sounds pleasant to people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:11 PM
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Well I used to have female coworkers as well.. but yeah I don't have a social circle. And yeah I'm sure sex workers don't have a very positive view of their clients, It goes both ways in that situation
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:08 PM
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That's weird. I guess it's over for people with social anxiety
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:05 PM
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This is actually a high IQ post. I've seen this play out in real life. Although openly hating women and using RP jargon IRL is probably seen as cringe, I get what you're saying
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:03 PM
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I interpreted that differently than you meant it. It could be read two different ways
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:01 PM
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I'm saying shrieking ad hominems and character assassination based on fake morality is low IQ
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:00 PM
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It's usually more smooth than that I think... but car salesman do have tactics that people don't realize are occuring while they are the "victim" of it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:59 PM
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You know what is weird this woman who I went to high school with called me up a few months back and revealed that there was a ton of fucking/dating and things going on in our "circle" (I wasn't really close with anyone I guess) and I had no idea it was even going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:57 PM
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Do you think there are different ways to push back? Some ways make more sense than others
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:54 PM
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I do interract with women cashiers, workers, and have frequented sex workers in the past. I just don't interract in a romantic sense. I would love the opportunity but that requires another person's participation
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:54 PM
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Weird things are just things that don't get repeated a lot. I think most people consciously think what you said but their actions speak differently
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:51 PM
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It almost confirms red pill beliefs that women gravitate towards men with social proof but you are kind saying it's because you can sense that those guys are bad people right off the bat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:50 PM
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The last part is interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:49 PM
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How do you do that? Is there a "red pill" meetup gang that you just avoid going to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:47 PM
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How are you able to see my actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:47 PM
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It's one example. Did you miss the first paragraph?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:46 PM
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So the woman who you slept with didn't immediately identify you as RP? Didn't you declare it immediately?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:45 PM
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Have you had a person in your life who articulated that they were RP and did they fit that description?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:41 PM
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The world is way more bitter and hopeless than you think. You just don't see it if you're surrounded by friends and family or significant partners. If you remove all of that, people would become exactly like me, they just delude themselves into thinking they are amazing people who are above that. Also most people are on autopilot. They aren't intentionally conspiring against you, but they participate unknowingly. They aren't smart enough or self aware to know better
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:52 PM
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I don't even think they know how to judge results. They think a smooth talking homeless guy who couchsurfs is attractive, but not a guy who works in a technical field making $100k
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:49 PM
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I have no connection to religion whatsoever. My parents sent me to catholic church when I was a kid but they were not practicing catholics. They are divorced for example. I'm not suggesting fundie trad bullcrap but rather just being NORMAL instead of a constantly self obsessed person which the entire world seemed to turn into over the last few decades. There is plenty of evidence that shows that men who don't start families or have partners are likely to be substance abusers. I mean if you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:40 PM
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I'm surprised this thread didn't get taken down. Usually half the stuff I post here gets taken down
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:36 PM
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As I get older I get more and more evil. One day I will have enough wealth to make some kind of change. I'm on that trajectory actually
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:34 PM
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yeah women think "muh male privelege" means they think our lives are easier in every single way when the reality is the opposite is true most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:33 PM
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Honestly most of the male advice givers are basically the same anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:38 PM
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It's not. Obviously I need to take advice from more than one person and amalgamate it together
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:36 PM
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Try not lumping everyone in the same negative category then I know it's hard because you have to generate your own independent thoughts on the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:43 AM
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You cannot detect a personality from a picture. You have to get to know a person first. If you can't get that far who gives a fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:41 AM
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Have you ever tried reading?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:34 AM
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I keep answering this with scale. The scale of what is attractive is much larger for men than women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:01 AM
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I guess everything is downstream of the major institutions and that explains the phenomena in general but not in the particular. People still are capable of independent thought or at least I hope
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:46 AM
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It's not unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:34 PM
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I guess it isn't IDK I just give up man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:03 PM
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If they wouldn't date me, that would be proof that I am unattractive to them because I didn't attract them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:52 PM
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I've also never heard people use red pill jargon in real life. Idk who you choose to hang around
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:50 PM
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Are you saying I should dictate all of society? Lol I already answered in a different post. What about public funded institutions for adult socialization that compromise between what society needs and what individuals need
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:47 PM
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I guarantee that if I showed a photo to all of them, they would all agree I was unattractive but would misrepresent this as "average but I wouldn't date him"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:53 PM
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Society is just one big massive shit test. I would suggest ways to make it better but then I'm being a "victim"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:39 PM
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This is reality. Everyone should read this 100 times and internalize this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:37 PM
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Does that make you feel like I victimized you in some way? Why are you being so defensive about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:26 PM
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How could you possibly prove that I am pouting and dommering?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:25 PM
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This is just circular
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:22 PM
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"No- sometimes bad things just happen that people can’t control." Like for example other people's attraction to them. "BUT there are things that people can control. And it’s the ones that understand how to accept the things they cannot change, change the things that they can, and have the wisdom to understand the difference, that DON’T play the victim." Like for example working out is something you control. So I do that. Not because other people are entitled to like me for doing. I accept I cann…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:22 PM
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In the age of 24/7 gyms and infinite knowledge of the internet if you're fat you're mostly just choosing to be. Of course people are genetically predisposed to being one way or the other but they can at least do something about it without requiring any inputs from others. It's funny how everyone will go to leaps and bounds to justify why a fat person is deserving of sympathy when it is only themselves that can make them less fat. These same people will laugh at people like me for not controlling…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:17 PM
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The fact that you think random internet strangers are deserving of some kind of weird revenge fantasy is ridiculous. The problem is when people take a general statement as some kind of personal victimization against them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:10 PM
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Yeah it's weird how people revolve around this concept applied to people they don't even know with such unintelligible ferocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:07 PM
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Because you feel VICTIMIZED by me challenging your theory of a just world, you cannot comprehend the hypothetical that a person could make every effort to be decent person and have no one to show it to. Even volunteering relations are usually temporary
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:03 PM
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Because it isn't. There just ISN'T someone for everyone. I have no one around me buddy. I don't have a single genuine friend outside of paid transactions. My family is not around. However NO ONE is entitled to anything. I'm not entitled to a girlfriend, parents that care about me, or friendships BUT I also acknowledge the fact that I do not have those things. I think about myself because there is no one else to think about and caring about random strangers is off putting in REALITY
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:01 PM
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Obese people are completely deserving of ridicule because your body is 100% under your control. You CANNOT control other people which is why they can easily be accused of being victims and not me (I can't simultaneously be blamed for other people not wanting me and also believe "the world just operates external of our control dood and we have to let go and stop trying" at the same time). The problem is people want to tell people like me that we simultaneously control who is attracted to us when …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:58 PM
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gotta love the logic. What if a man abandons my kid? That would be bad so lets use a sperm donor who is literally abandoning his offspring 100%. That will show them!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:54 PM
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I'm convinced most of the women that come here are just bored housewives or girlfriends who want to punch down on "lesser" males because they are afraid to stand up to the guy they married or date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:53 PM
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While you pretend to be empathetic, the fact that you reduce this to sexual pleasure is a clear misrepresentation of what is going on. People aren't sobbing because someone won't have sex with them, it's the family relations, intimacy and shared experiences that it is likely we will never have. Why can't anyone ever argue in good faith ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:46 PM
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You reduced my comment to that? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:39 PM
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Are you asking me to explain that? Take some responsibility for your own thought man. Kidding a bit but in my OP I am just laying out what has occured and things I have heard. You can't call someone a victim in the sense that it involves others. I could walk around thinking I have succeeded in dating somehow but that would be insanity. I have not succeeded. If rain has fallen outside then it has rained. You on the otherhand seem to feel victimized by your just world fallacy falling apart. Becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:38 PM
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Concrete example: At a restaurant with coworkers. Coworkers ask me about dating scenario and I pretend like it doesn't bother me for the 1000th time. Coworker gives me advice. I pretend like I have never thought of it before, otherwise they will become angry and acuse me of being a victim because they feel victimized by the fact that I have already heard it before
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:20 PM
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And yet there are thousands of influencers making the same stupid videos over and over. For some people, seeing a new person do the same benchpress is a remarkable experience I guess. I never talk about the gym, it's like talking about doing an oil change on your car
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:47 PM
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This is true. I don't understand why they want to get punches in either. It's almost like the relationship bourgeiosie just gets joy out of punching down on the commoners. Maybe it's not so happy at the top after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:44 PM
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I wonder what that says about you then, since you seem to be victimized about a post that has nothing to do with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:42 PM
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It's weird because they all seem to become a homogenized monolith at certain times, then diversify at other times strategically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:38 PM
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I'm just imaging some self improovement dood approaching a woman in a friend group in the middle of a movie or autistically waiting for the movie to end so he can approach, only to be labelled a creepy weirdo for approaching someone right as they leave the movie
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:37 PM
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Yeah I am one of the guys who goes to the gym and maybe you can tell but not really. In fact people usually use that as an insult online when you say you go to the gym. Because I don't have a perfect diet, do roids, shoot testosterone and perfectly manicure my workouts means if my shirt is on I just look like a regular guy, Shirt off and you can see I have a six pack and shoulder, chest development... but probably most people wouldn't notice. Your second paragraph hits the nail on the head. Cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:33 PM
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We should invent better non profit oriented mechanisms for arranging people together in a secular manner that balances overall social cohesion with personal interest
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:30 PM
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The only evidence I can really have for this is anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:29 PM
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I don't think they would outwardly suggest that. I think there is a discontinuity between what women say or what they think they think and what they actually respond to. Maybe they are not being dishonest necessarily but moreso not intune with their sexual feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:28 PM
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Honestly? Not really. Outside of some self improve bros
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:00 PM
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With regards to the job analogy, I don't think anyone really likes working at all. I left a good job paying six figures for a job that paid less but I think I will like it more. Lots of travel, freedom and it seems interesting. I think people years ago used to just make compromises. Yeah maybe they didn't love being an accountant every day but their kids made it worth it. Maybe their partner wasn't into esoteric poetry and schizophrenic juggling but they made it work. Chasing infinite happiness …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:31 PM
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I just do weightlifting first and then cardio (heavy bag, bike or treadmill). Then on the weekends I do boxing 1on1 with a trainer. I'd like to compete in the amateur level but I have stage fright. Swimming is great - there's a saltwater cove in my area I go do laps in sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:28 PM
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If she's into video games, sci fi but has a different philosophical outlook you should immediately reject her because it probably won't work out
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:25 PM
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It's not a problem other than people assuming that there is nothing else to you. It's just that you never got the opportunity to showcase anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:23 PM
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The gym after work is a good routine for me. I have nothing better to do at night time anyway and it's not brain surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:22 PM
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That's a great way to explain it. If only people would completely erase the just world fallacy in all cases and just accept that we are just statistics, they would stop assigning moral blame to people who don't succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:20 PM
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With regards to whining, I actually appreciate people "whining" to me in real life because at least they are being genuine for once. I try not to be negative in public unless it's with a trusted person, otherwise I am just an NPC. With regards to social circle, this is extremely difficult to do when everyone's working, living different lives and such. I get that people don't want to hear that something is difficult but just imagine a narrator is reading this sentence an impersonal robotic way no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:19 PM
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No I'm more referencing people online who grill you on your stats: Do you go to the gym? Do you have good job? So on, so on. After those bases are covered, they assume that you have personality outside of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:12 PM
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Was all of that a coincidence? How did you triangulate that all together?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:10 PM
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I have interests but I don't spew them out to strangers who I don't know. The main rule of workout club is don't tell people you work out because people just take that as an opportunity to ridicule you for not being on roids
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:07 PM
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the second part is key so you still have to do something. Now HOW to do something requires being slick and maybe by the time you are 45 someone will take a chance on you when you're on your death bed. Although I refuse to be fat or out of shape, since that is obviously under people's control
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:06 PM
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With your advice, how do you expect society not to devolve into drug addicts and man children? If the whole advice people give is just fly by the seat of your pants and "enjoy stuff", we will just end up with alcoholics drinking all night because it feels good and no kids at home anyway or man children just doing random shit and road trips with no purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:03 PM
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Example: I went to niagara falls a few months back (solo). I saw thousands of people there. All of them were couples, families, or groups of friends. It wouldn't matter if I like to visit places and travel and so does someone else because in that environment I couldn't possibly do anything but weirdly start conversations with people who are just there to see niagara falls
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:01 PM
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No idea. I pretty much have only approached in bars from time to time or swiping on apps. Other than that I had a personal trainer who was a woman and I went through public school and college (probably only 5% of my classmates were female)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:59 PM
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Could you be specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:58 PM
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Well dating as a concept hasn't existed for very long and pre internet people didn't have as much stranger phobia as they do now. The climate is different so society needs to adapt to this change
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:57 PM
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I already do realize that on some level.. but on some level they line up in unison
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:55 PM
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Just to be clear, I'm still going to workout regardless of whether I ever meet anyone. What annoys me is people think you can self improve your way into someone's life. For some people there is NOTHING they can do but we obviously should still pay taxes, go to the gym but don't blame us when we become lifeless shells with no empathy. I get what you are saying about being nonchalant and flying by the seat of your pants in life but people say that and then turn around and act like you are a moral …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:31 PM
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I'm more referring to advice I have received in the past. I don't bother asking anymore. Every once in a while out of the blue someone will say "Hey have you ever tried going to a boxing gym? I see a lot of women there" or "Hey have you ever tried starting a family. I'm sure you never thought of that since you're only 28. Try going out to this bar my friend owns"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:23 PM
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Yeah I guess so. Every once in a while I'll get it unprompted. "Hey have you ever tried x?" Then when I don't express extreme positivity for this thing I obviously thought of, they get angry or something
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:21 PM
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They don't but some of them do. Do you think every guy at the chess club is an asexual because they didn't hit on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:18 PM
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If only more people would just admit that, we would have less snake oil salesman out there
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:16 PM
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I know the average IQ is going down but it's not hard to figure out I don't actually want to live in the woods. It's an EXAGGERATION because it clearly doesn't matter what I do the result is the same. I guess I need to put very explicit disclaimers for people with special needs
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:13 PM
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That's what you thought but imagine this: sometimes people don't express all of their thoughts publicly to you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:12 PM
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It was more of an exaggeration. I don't literally mean I want to go live in the woods since that is pretty ridiculous, but I would be in the exact same position dating wise if I did that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:11 PM
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I wonder what the consequences of that are. Probably a whole society of people lying about everything and being phony babies unable to hear even the slightest bit of truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:10 PM
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The point is that people will accuse you of having your whole personality going to the gym when that is just one aspect. "Oh you go to the gym. That must be your entire personality then." With regards to approaching, I'm saying the vast majority or even close to 100% are not open
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:08 PM
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You would be surprised to learn that people who express negativity don't express it publicly. I know you're only getting a limited sample from posts online but still. Framing joining social clubs as hunting "for pussy" is a dismissive strawman against what people are actually doing. You might have had dudes with the exact same situation and opinion as me in your chess club and you didn't realize it because they weren't "hunting for pussy"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:07 PM
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The absolute worst thing is when people don't want to bother with hearing an opposing side AND they also base their opinions off of limited surface level information and slogans.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:05 PM
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Honestly, it would have been more productive if people just told me to give up and KMS or live in the woods or something. Could have saved me a lot of goalpost shifting insanity
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:02 PM
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Expecting your "values" or "ideals" to line up with someone 1 for 1 is insanity. Most couples has almost nothing in common whatsoever. Typically women are not exactly like men. Crafting some strategy out of a movie where you meet someone with exactly the same habits and life as you is insanity. Do you think someone who goes to museums is going to magically be at the right museum at the right time where a single woman is present at the museum and the stars align perfectly so the two museum goers …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:00 PM
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These biological timelines make no sense. People are most inclined to link up in their late teens and twenties but it seems people go in two extreme directions: nonstop hookups or barren wasteland. I'm 28 and it's been nothing but a barren wasteland of me trying to figure out how to get even a single person to have more than a one way online dating conversation where I get ghosted after 3 messages. Maybe when I'm 45 someone will finally "take a chance" on me after years of watching teenage coupl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:25 PM
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Are people deliberately misreading? Yes obviously it isn't. it's just that she only sees those guys. The first hurdle is appearing interesting, good looking and such and then years down the line displaying "emotional maturity"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:07 PM
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It is hard to remember since I don't rehearse canned lines. I usually just end up talking to older people who are more friendly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:57 PM
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Therapists are usually people who are paid to tell you you are amazing and never at fault no matter what which is why it is a waste of time for men but women love it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:23 AM
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How can you manage to get a rotation? Asking for a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:20 AM
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Well that opportunity has never presented itself and I've been a lifelong public drinker. I've mostly just witnessed people talking amongst themselves and I've only ever encountered hostility leading me to decided not to bother
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:07 AM
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No I'm saying that people often pump and dump people because they are lifeless people so not worth sticking around. I don't do that personally. I have never successfully met a person on an app ever. I can't keep talking to a person who ghosted me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:06 AM
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They determine I am not interesting after maybe two back and forths. Maybe have a little patience jeez. I get that there is so much immediate gratification but still
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:40 AM
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It's hard to market the average lifestyle. "Here's me at the boxing gym. Here's me going mountain biking. Here's me at a concert." It just feels staged and fake
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:35 AM
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Hardly anyone says the third statement. It's more like being cynical of the idea that women can read personality through a screen like they claim to be able to do then hearing story after story of how all of their exes were narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:29 AM
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I would think the opposite is true. Most people just go about their lives without endlessly taking photos of themselves. Immature people have to take a selfie everywhere they go
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:22 AM
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Some of these people think shows are representations of real life verbatim. People who think like that tend to behave irrationally and then accuse other people of being emotionally immature when people respond to their irrationality
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:21 AM
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Another rational response that will get downvoted to oblivion or reported to the mods, who will conveniently ignore the blatant trolling in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:19 AM
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How would she know he is immature? He didn't get that far. He's still swiping on thousands of women who will ghost him. Maybe he learned to be emotionally mature over the years facing everything alone when the 6ft guy was sleeping around with lots of women and never having to change to accomodate anyone. Is it possible to be top tier looks and also a decent person? Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:11 AM
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Because SOME people have to keep the fabric of society from falling apart even when no else one cares
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:04 AM
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Yeah I have a hard time differentiating between actual mental retardation and trolling, which is apparently is a pick and choose when it comes to moderation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:59 AM
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Right exactly. The magical bonanza has drasticially diminished over time. Back in your day, the bonanza was bigger. Now it is smaller. If MOST don't want to chat, then that LOWERS your chance of success, meaning you will succeed less. Some people will succeed more than others but in general people will succeed less. The people on the bottom will succeed even less than they normally would have
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:58 AM
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It is rocket surgery and I have spent countless hours in bars. MOST of them are populated people who congregate with those they already know (like couples or friend groups) and many people are hostile or weirded out by strangers talking to them especially if they are lone strangers. Your second paragraph is made up hypotheticals that happened twice a year that everyone obviously gets would be weird if they actually happened
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:43 AM
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And here is the typical response of "it's totally brutal out there bro" and no it hasn't always been. You're just obfuscuating how much things have changed over the last few decades. (For trigger happy mods I don't mean we should repeal the 19A or whatever you want to imagine I said). Women today are hostile to public approaches so how can you blame these invisible guys from trying to move the needle on superficial things that are immediately apparent on an app? It could make them less invisible…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:33 AM
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Thank you. Jeez why do people deliberately misunderstand this so many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:31 AM
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Because this is a widespread thing not just localized to one person. Almost every single woman operates this way
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:27 AM
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After ignoring and moving on ten thousand times, you will get pretty annoyed. Imagine being the guy who gets rejected by every single person (not complaining or saying they shouldn't have the right to do it or the 19A should be repealed or whatever nonsense someone will dream up out of their ass) then constantly reading that all you have to do is "be decent bro".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:27 AM
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Yes but they have to pretend it's not so they can feel like good people. It's like virtue signaling for climate change when really you DGAF
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:15 AM
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They don't want to compliment your body because it would make them seem shallow or if they weren't trying to fuck you in the first place it might make you start hitting on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:13 AM
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Well not to be too anecdotal and definitely don't want to be accused of "whining" but I can tell you: The nuances of human interactions and dating have led to me being rejected by tens of thousands of people and succeeding with no one. That is just a fact that has occured. I mention FRANCE because usual women seem to link travel with "being interesting and cultured" and also being rich of course. Personally I would date a woman who wanted to curtail men's rights but guess what? They wouldn't dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:10 AM
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This is exactly the point. You can't. You just assume that Mr 6ft Trust fund has all these qualities until a year later you realize he doesn't. Mr 5 foot 8 goes to work and the gym could have been emotionally mature but you never got to know him because he's short and boring. NOTE: I am NOT saying you have to magically change who you are attracted to but just realize that the minority that you desire are not going to be mature because they have no need to be when they can sleep around without ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:07 AM
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I guess but don't accuse someone of whining if you beg them to "open up". That's just being manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:03 AM
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Maybe those women were not worth sticking with. Women have to have some type of redeemable qualities in terms of personality besides being a lifeless corpse if they're trying to get with top tier guys with options. I've matched with 100s of people who provided absolutely nothing in terms of conversation and I can only assume had they not ghosted me that they are probably lifeless boring people who are nothing more than emotional drains. If you are an emotional drain how can you expect not to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:02 AM
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That's easy to say but it's so hard to get your foot in the door as a below average guy and beggars can't be chooser
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:58 AM
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Why would a woman who isn't fucking you compliment your physique? They wouldn't be that bold. You don't think that women that chose to fuck you did so partially because you were in shape? They aren't going to come right out of the gate saying that because in their minds they are perfectly objective people who only care about "deep things" while actually being more superficial than men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:55 AM
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Because it's annoying that so many of these women seem to claim the bar is in hell and when really the bar is in hell for the minority that actually fits the narrow view of what an attractive guy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:52 AM
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Because when women coddle men and pretend to care about their feelings, they are actually feeling disgust towards you. That's why you never discuss personal issues with them ever, they will only interpret it negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:51 AM
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The typical scenario is a woman will provoke you to "test" and see where you're at. Much like a lot of people on this sub who deliberately misunderstand what you say for the purposes of annoying you. Other examples include behaving extremely irrationally or over the top to "test" your response. Then when you get angry that is the only thing that will matter. I've never met a single adult male who sobbed all the time in public or with other people so that sounds like a stawman you created out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:49 AM
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The RANGE of what is attractive is different. Men will swipe right 80% of the time and women 10% or less of the time. SCALE matters here. I'm NOT saying what women SHOULD do. I'm saying WHAT they ACTUALLY do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:41 AM
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding or something? I'm saying there are guys who are 5 foot 8 and have some degree of emotional maturity but will be passed over for a 6ft guy who isn't emotionally mature because you can't immediately tell that off the bat. Later on, it will be discovered that Mr 6 foot who goes to France every week with his parents trust fund isn't very mature. The woman will then claim the bar is in hell for behavior but the behavior didn't matter in the first place except aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:38 AM
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I get that you feel personally attacked somehow which is why you're being unnecessarily rude. I was speaking in general and not directly at you, so relax and take your pills or something. I'm saying that women like OP will claim the bar is in hell after swiping 100 times left on guys who don't meet the LOOKS barrier. Most will not admit how shallow they truly are but will proclaim that the bar is in hell
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:34 AM
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Of course likeability is subjective and cannot be determined through screens. Muscles can be seen through screens
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:31 AM
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I don't. I'm just stating what they do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:29 AM
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Yeah exactly. Then that same woman will go "None of these guys (who go to france every month and are 6 foot tall) are emotionally mature at all" and then extrapolate that to every man including the 100 she rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:29 AM
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When men express any emotions at all, they are ridiculed by women. Women will say "Men today are too emotional and act like women" or even worse won't say it but will silently reject the guy or punish him passive aggressively. Bottling up sadness will eventually turn into anger at some point but the other side of the coin is coddling which ruins your sexual success. Contrary to what they say, women want a guy who is tougher, stronger and more confident than them. Emotionally coddling a guy and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:27 AM
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Because in reality, this woman will swipe left on a non-MAGA, emotionally mature and realistic guy because he is too short, appears boring based on three photos or is facially unattractive. Or she will ghost him. If you have the gym on your side, that's one visible check on the list
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:23 AM
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Women will say the bar is emotional maturity, then swipe left on 100 guys because they are unattractive or don't have photos of them skiing in Switzerland, even when they could easily be the most emotionally mature
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:20 AM
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Women would be horrified and offended if they knew our true views IRL. They are also very bad at detecting who thinks what despite professing to have amazing intuition. This system leads to the sneakiest or most dishonest guys succeeding leading to an anti-meritocracy framed as a meritocracy.. but usually women double down on blaming unattractive guys anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:18 AM
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You're 40 and therefore your opinion is irrelevant. You don't know how it is for Gen Z now and even if you pretend to get it you wouldn't. Just sit this one out, Grandpa.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:10 PM
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Some transactions are healthier than others
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:08 PM
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You're confusing different types of people. The type of guy who seeks out a SAHM doesn't care that she is a SAHM. The problem is when the woman wants to be an independent worker but also seeks out $$ from the guy just to feel like she got something from him. Personally I like short term transactional relationships because you can't trust a woman long term and I don't have the skills/looks to get one anyway. If I did, I would lose her for a taller, better looking guy because women only value shor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:08 PM
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Those generations are full of simps who still think you can walk into a bar and meet a nice girl and marry her. Once all hope has completely died, then society can fully reset as it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:58 PM
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What you should do is start pretending to care about what those people need, then magically forgetting or having something come up at the last minute. If they get mad or protest, just gaslight them by saying they need to check their privilege and that you identify as a woman and in a world that is threatening to women it is impossible to communicate things directly or simply.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:20 PM
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More men need to start voicing these experiences. Be like the feminists who never stop harping about how hard they have it. Once the clueless boomers and Gen X people die off, life will start to get better
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:17 PM
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It occured to me once in my life by a woman I was paying and had a boyfriend already. I am never at social events because there is no opportunity but even when I had work socials it didn't occur
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:14 PM
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She could have used the perfect intuition all women posses that they can use to sniff out how the boring guy at the office is secretly Hitler on this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:19 PM
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Because they DON'T want an average or below average guy who isn't edgy in any way. Both the top 1% and low IQ tards like described in the OP (which is probably highly exaggerated) can run circles around the boring nice guy who tries his best at work and isn't a showboat. Women crave drama and excitement in some way but of course they'd prefer it from a good looking guy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:17 PM
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I'm sure this story is very true and it's 100% accurate without any exaggerations at all. That disproves everything and the fact that I am a guy with a normal job with basic common sense who gets rejected 100% of the time is all in my head!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:14 PM
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I stopped showering and wiping and showing up to work and all of a sudden have 100s of women fighting over me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:06 PM
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Because men are blamed for everything no matter what. Women are just helpless victims who can never be held accountable for anything ever because the patriarchy was mean
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:05 PM
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The "men repress their feelings" is just gaslighting and blaming the men for the lack of empathy society has towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:47 PM
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Comparing real life to fantasy novels or bullshit religions is a waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:17 PM
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What men want: a woman who is normal and doesn't play stupid mind games and isn't morbidly obese. In the modern world, this is almost impossible to achieve unless you are built like a greek god and top notch self marketing skills
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:53 PM
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Let's face it, society today is one big shit test. It's just designed to rile you up and then when you react, the morons doing it act surprised and like victims... much like a lot of people on reddit and this subreddit. People just like to annoy you to an extreme degree and then act surprised if you react in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:48 PM
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Yeah I definitely had a hard time first entering the professional workplace for this reason. Thankfully I just started in a career where I am out in the field but I'm sure I'll run into this issue again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:59 AM
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I know you're just trying to trigger the mods by claiming I am not responding but my response is that I don't want the "subjection" of women, which is a retarded concept I never once said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:38 AM
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You're right but the reason men lead is because women don't want to and if they delude themselves into thinking they do they quickly find out that they don't like it usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:07 AM
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One time a woman pretended to be attracted to me and started saying things like "You make me feel so safe" and following my lead and stuff. I think it's like that except genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:04 AM
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Even people who virtue signal equality can't handle it when they experience it but thankfully being retarded or autistic or whatever I don't put on these BS filters. I notice that some people with certain temperaments immediately hate me off the bat but to me I am just talking to everyone the same because I can't do this bullshit filtering
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:47 AM
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I'm a male and I never gave a shit about hierarchies. I just treat everyone the same until someone yells at me for it. Even the people who proclaim equality are flabbergasted when I engage in what I consider normal behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:10 AM
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Then I guess someone like you would be perfectly fine living in a rentier society since it doesn't matter to you anyway. Might actually be a benefit so you don't have to grow up and own anything
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:03 AM
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Why is your mind immediately jumping to some bullshit I never said?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:02 AM
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I do admire someone having incredible confidence about something they don't know though. You act like you met me in real life but you don't know shit so stfu. Of course I know I am undesirable but 50 years ago I could have a partner. Is that hard to comprehend?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:45 PM
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Have you ever considered that the same cause can effect different people unevenly , bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:42 PM
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I don't mean they get the death penalty but that they are consistently rejected. To the mods - this was not a sarcastic or smug "trolling" comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:23 PM
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I know you're trying to bait me into reporting me to the mods, so I'll end it there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:58 PM
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Yes that would be awesome. All of what you mentioned sounds like fake performative bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:49 PM
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I have a better chance of being a millionaire in 10 years than building a social network
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:33 PM
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That would be amazing. I'm so sick of people telling me I'm average or "have a nice body" but still rejected universally by everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:23 PM
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In my case according to ChatGPT and many people I am not even "ugly". I am simply not attractive. I don't have any severe grotesque features besides a larger than average nose. I am in better shape than 90% of people. It's just that if there is anything that stands out about statistically less people will like you. The herd likes people who are exactly like them which is ironic considering they all think they are unique and special people and encourage individual expression to ridiculous degrees…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:00 PM
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So many of these dating coaches train you to be spontaneous and embarrass yourself. I've done this "being myself" thing and tested it out and a lot of people are not receptive to this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:47 PM
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I think this guy is a libertarian, so that's par for the course I think
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:20 PM
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Yes cold approach doesn't work. OLD doesn't work. Warm approach works best but you have maybe 1-2 opportunities in life to do that past a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:12 PM
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Sounds like it's not too far away. Who knows what Palantir will be able to do with all our data
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:10 PM
1

It's literally the definition of being rejected, but this sub is full of brain rot
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:08 PM
6

Does that have anything to do with impending serfdom? A man will date or marry a woman regardless of her economic status
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:04 PM
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"Focusing on themselves" pretty much translates to what I said in the OP. You end up endlessly working out and doing unnecessary Ted Kaczynski surrogate activities in order to "market" yourself better
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:02 PM
1

One guy dropping out of the system does pretty much nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:53 PM
1

Maybe it's the type of people you date. You should work on that, go to therapy and whatnot
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:52 PM
1

I'm doing many many swipes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:30 AM
4

I would love to provide that but I will never get the chance to demonstrate it either way
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:56 AM
3

Thanks sometimes I feel like I am going insane here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:44 AM
1

It seems easy in theory but in practice not so much. Randomly harassing strangers is not received well these days
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:31 AM
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The best experiences I've had have been with hookers and strippers NGL. No worries I am also mean myself
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:43 AM
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No one can see your personality through a picture on a profile. You're getting a snapshot of someone's life on here. And I guarantee you never read that book. I've literally had professionals take pictures of me for fucks sake lmao. And welcome to the world of judgement people aren't nice here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:16 AM
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As do I but my whole life I have experienced nothing but cruel rejection from people because I had nothing to offer them on a superficial level, which is all anyone ever cares about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:05 AM
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Doesn't seem accurate. If they only date where is something to gain how are they destroying their life? Lol. More like destroying someone else's life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:56 AM
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But then you aren't self improooving dood
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:54 AM
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If there's nothing to commit to, might as well try everything
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:32 AM
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What? Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:17 AM
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I do anything and everything. With the conditions the way they are it makes sense to fuck around
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:12 PM
1

Lol fair
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:11 PM
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I appreciate the well thought out post but that is very difficult to do and requires excessive planning which really just indicates how sick society has become that people would have to resort to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:55 PM
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I do as well somewhat but it's not 100% of the reason I go. Of course, we have to virtue signal getting 100% enjoyment out of moving things up and down and looking in the mirror mindlessly while being accused of being superficial when there are 200 other things you could be doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:38 PM
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Not many people do it and if you do it, it usually doesn't lead to anything
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:37 PM
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Yeah going to the gym and endlessly lifting weights is commodifying yourself. If not people would just do whatever they wanted and forget "improving" anything
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:36 PM
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Improving yourself just amounts to commodifying yourself literally. I accept the reality of that, which is why I do it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:33 PM
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That is my own description of it. If you're by yourself, you can't use other people as shields. You literally have to make conversation out of nothing with nothing to leverage off of. If people aren't receptive to it, it will backfire
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:29 PM
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They are but the stuff I mention doesn't affect women's end of the transaction
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:25 PM
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I do go out solo very frequently. Usually to sports bars or pool halls or something where I'm not creepily staring into space or at people and awkward starting conversations with couples and groups of women who don't want to talk to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:25 PM
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I also work hard to hide my emotions. You don't know someone's deep dark thoughts until you've already gotten to know them most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:06 PM
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This is extremely bad faith. You're strawmanning and creating a theoretical worst case of a shit smeller who is literally expressing his deepest thoughts right off the bat to your face, which almost never happens
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:03 PM
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No idea what any of that stuff means. I have seen spongebob 20 years ago but don't remember much
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:02 PM
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True but back then you could walk into a bar and no one would accuse you of being "weird" or something. Now people (in public places) will literally think you're invading their space for talking to them. People go to bars and pubs to talk to their preformed social circles. They don't want to meet anyone new
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:01 PM
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I am willing to concede that it may be somewhat possible to detect this but it would be very subtle and would require excessive paranoia on the person to DQ based on things that subtle. Just think there are literally people who kill people for fun and no one suspects it but I'm supposed to believe people can sense having a pessimistic world view I don't express in public?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:54 PM
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Everything is selfish but not everything that is selfish is destructive to humanity. Creating an incentive structure that exacerbates people's selfish destructiveness isn't good for anyone. A major shareholder's desire to see his stock increase does absolutely nothing tangible and on a large scale leads to things like living in a BS service economy that produces nothing. My desire to save you from choking is ultimately to benefit me on some level, but it has a net positive effect
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:43 PM
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Somewhat true which is why this process of degrading people's superficial success affects men's ability to find partners
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:29 PM
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What I mean is: Woman doesn't know you. Woman judges you based on superficial characteristics. If you pass these, congratulations. Now you have a chance to prove yourself as an awesome human being. If you don't, you won't even get to that stage. Because people will rely more and more on apps less people will move through that initial filter
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:28 PM
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That's a great idea. I was lucky enough to go to a couple at 18 after high school but I wasn't properly socialized back then. However today everyone is panicking over their kid taking a pill laced with fentanyl, so they want to raise a generation of socially stunted basement dwellers
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:10 PM
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I disagree because people cannot sense people's internal beliefs. People tend to overestimate their intuition as evidenced by many people dating people who "turned out to be completely different than they thought". It would be impossible to map how a person is perceived in real life based on a single online post. Also if I was someone who experienced an easy time, I would be more "conservative" towards the system since it would benefit me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:00 PM
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I don't want to get banned for derailing but those actions of governments would still exist in a hyper capitalist society, only it would be more corruptible by major conglomerates who are run by unaccountable shareholders with absolutely no responsibility to the people whatsoever
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:53 PM
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Shh you broke the rule
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:48 PM
1

This must be a Gen A thing. I am post-high school age
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:43 PM
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Only the forceful hand of the state can enable a quasi market to exist in perpetuity. Otherwise they just become monopolies which have no incentive to do anything other transact in their favor. They end up behaving like worse versions of governments, which at least have some connection to the citizens
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:43 PM
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Correct but there are extremely limited opportunities to make genuine long lasting social connections and in the very limited chance that you succeed in these niche things (coed sports, meetup groups or whatnot) you still need the objective characteristics. I've been on many hiking meetups only to never see anyone again
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:41 PM
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First statement is correct but the commodification of women doesn't affect their ability to monopolize resources over others. It doesn't matter if a woman makes minimum wage or is a doctor, they still have the same attractiveness. To men, serfdom means not being able to monopolize resources, meaning you don't provide as much utility. I do agree people should improve all areas (skillmaxx) which I do on a constant basis outside of working of course. I also am enrolled in a social skills course per…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:39 PM
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The further stages are, the initial stages aren't. In the future I believe less and less will get past the initial stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:19 PM
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No idea how to interpret that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:15 PM
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You have to be a FAKE person to succeed in this society. NO ONE cares about your feelings whatsoever, they just want entertainment (especially women). Just think of yourself as a product to be marketed because that's all we literally are
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:07 PM
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I guess if you feel that you owe nothing to society whatsoever, that's true. The long term consequences of a society full of people who think like this will show itself down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:05 PM
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Nice people do expect a reward for being nice. If someone was a complete ass to you after you were nice to them, I guarantee you would feel angry and wronged because it's covertly understood as a tit for tat which was violated. Everyone operates with covert contracts, it's just "nice guys" are shamed for them. No one owes anyone anything in the dating world apparently and yet the people saying this would be flabbergasted if you treated them like shit for no reason. They feel "entitled" to basic …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:00 PM
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You know what happens when you stop chasing? You effectively eliminate yourself from the dating pool. You become another invisible guy shuffling around an office or warehouse or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:46 PM
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As someone who has swiped on probably 10k people and been rejected by all of them, it's not the case it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 01:33 AM
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Can't relate. There were maybe 3 women in my EE program and they were either lesbian or in a long term relationship going into the program already, and their BFs were engineers. Engineer male trying to date in the gen pop is a suicide mission
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:32 PM
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that's what they told you to believe and you fell for it. I'd rather be loved for my body than for a salary or some utilitarian factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:28 PM
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that's the most infuriating part. I'd also like to add that if you don't display anything remotely like that they will often bait you into doing it with ridiculous behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:26 PM
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basically sums up this goober subreddit. "You don't have a peer reviewed study. Time to report your post to the mods"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:24 PM
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everything can be framed to make the woman look like a hero since they are usually the ones participating passively. They don't have to take accountability for their actions because they don't take action.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:22 PM
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You have never met a person who was a jerk but also useless? Or a nice person who does good work?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:21 PM
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Your comment was about how capitalist cultures brainwash people that if there is something they want materially they can get it. In a just world people would be able to obtain something if they put effort in. Some people believe if you put effort into yourself dating should be natural but it doesn't work like that. I wasn't responding to the original poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:16 PM
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Went to school for EE
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:11 PM
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I would rather kms
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 05:32 PM
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I can't believe people still believe in things like meritocracy and the just world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 05:31 PM
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Colleges are institutions set up so that even mediocre people who put forth basic effort will succeed. The reason is they have to churn out x amount of engineers and y amount of doctors, so they can't fall a large % of people. Dating is not like that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:19 PM
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Unpopular tidbit I'd like to add is that going for your masters in engineering will actually make it harder to date since you will be seen as an asexual boring nerd. People will hate me and downvote this but it's the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:17 PM
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Not to mention "self maxxing" amounts mostly to just being in shape, which everyone should be doing anyway. "Improve your social skills" is just ridiculous because anyone can listen and have a conversation with someone unless they have a debilitating mental illness. Agree with your post
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:50 PM
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If you are soft spoken as a man, you are being unmanly. You have to become less soft spoken. I say that someone who had severe social phobia his whole life and eventually realized a lot of the negative life experiences I've had stem from this. We go through the school system where we internalize being subordinate and shy is a good thing and when we are thrust into a world to go out and produce in an unfair world it is a shock for us. For us to have been likeable as kids or as students, all we ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 10:35 PM
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Any woman can't understand the plight we go through. Even most men don't. But for women, the rules will always change depending on the guy they are thinking of.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 10:12 PM
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Probably means he worked out like crazy and doesn't want a fat girl who smokes pot all day
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:55 PM
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Bro stop looking for stuff please. Just because they are listed together doesn't mean they are on the same level
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:53 PM
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Bottom line is don't take advice from any woman. They don't have your best interest in mind and their "advice" is usually sadism disguised as "empathy". I once had a therapist who said it's taboo to meet at the gym and three sessions later recounted a romantic story of a couple she knew that met at the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:48 PM
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The more "progressive" you get socially, the less "inclusive" you get. That's the paradox.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:18 AM
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Already there, big guy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:08 AM
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Younger men in their teens or early twenties haven't earned the right to be bitter. Once you get to my age and you've lived through it and seen it all and had all the useless advice thrown at you, then you can be bitter. The fact that we have shows like Adolescence portraying 13 year olds as *ncels is ridiculous. Come back later when you're 28 and society has laughed in your face and kicked you when you were down over and over again despite earning your way in the world through every other possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:40 PM
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Maybe the men you put out for
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:47 PM
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I don’t think so because there is a big difference between a flamboyant gay guy who is hypersexual and being aromantic as you call it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:53 PM
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Political parties cultivate a sense of meaning and community, although it is of course transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:47 PM
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We live in a unique time where there is little social obligation to date and little economic utility in having children. The tail end of your first paragraph kind of describes the situation I have been in previously and the second paragraph describes what I am trying to do now. I think people will start accepting their fate sooner and "self improvement to achieve what our parents and grandparents achieved with little effort" will start to die
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:45 PM
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? I don't understand sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:41 PM
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I agree it becomes less attractive as you get older but it becomes more necessary as more and more doors close. I believe in my case I will learn to cope at that age just as I have done for the past many years.. and people today have much more resources to do that than in previous generations
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:39 PM
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I think you are on to something with the first paragraph. The second paragraph seems like a clever way to rationalize people's bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:36 PM
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A lot bad things go on behind closed doors
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:21 PM
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I'm honestly not sure because I have never been romantic. I haven't had a real relationship although I have had sex before. I'm not sure that I embody the masculine gender role appropriately but I am not feminine either
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:20 PM
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Made me laugh. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:05 PM
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I used to mountain bike at night. I can't remember where but a viral video came out where this group of women recorded some guy for "coming out of a bush looking creepy" and the majority of comments were in support of the women filming this guy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:59 PM
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Hiking alone used to be great. Now people will record you and call you creepy for doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:54 PM
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Sometimes businesses hire outside consultants to point out issues that they themselves cannot fix because they are biased internally. Sometimes an outsider can look in and point out flaws without personally being involved. I get your logic, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:53 PM
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What I mean is it's ridiculous to expect me to have personally conducted a survey to make this post. I believe that people are often lying to themselves, but I could be wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:51 PM
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I didn't turn to my mom specifically, but moreso the concept of motherhood which is painful and people often regret their decision (they don't usually publicly state it)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:49 PM
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They were somewhat sour
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:46 PM
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If a 10/10 woman knocked on my door and wanted to date me, I would understand this is a covert contract I can't possibly fulfill. Objectively that woman wouldn't desire me. It's like trusting a used car salesman to have your best interest in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:45 PM
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No offense but I don't get the obsession with trauma. I have a (my opinion) normal relationship with my mother. It's true I have experienced a lot of romantic rejection but not everything is Freudian
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:43 PM
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Someone asked for a study personally conducted by me, which is unreasonable. I mentally classified this is as trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:41 PM
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Well moreso lying to themselves due to sunk cost. No one wants to admit a decision they made that affects them long term is bad. It's too painful and the realization is made too late. Plus negativity is discouraged in public so people keep it to themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:39 PM
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I would argue the guy I’m responding to is trolling but maybe report the post and see what the mods decide.. and for the record I mean the guy who asked for a survey personally conducted by myself
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:35 PM
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I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:34 PM
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Sure its debate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:20 PM
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What problem are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:17 PM
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I would feel like they are lying to themselves ir are weak. I can’t prove it with concrete evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:17 PM
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Unfortunately it’s not the own you think it is. Most people who desire relationships are toxic people
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:15 PM
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Yeah I guess it is weird but it’s my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:14 PM
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Thank you for admitting. Most people lie to themselves (in my opinion)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:13 PM
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Dying alone is awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:13 PM
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I wouldn’t.. and most “Chads” I have come across express regret about their life decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:13 PM
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There are people who die alone or in relationships with people who don’t even like them. There is not someone for everyone and even if there was logistically meeting them is unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:04 PM
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They’re faking it for their own sanity and out of social obligation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:01 PM
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I get out all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:58 PM
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Why would the last part matter? Do you have to personally experience something to witness it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:58 PM
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Yeah I conducted a survey of 100000 men across the world
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:56 PM
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The last statement is objectively false unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:56 PM
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Do you think that sometimes people can observe things without experiencing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:55 PM
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Two things can be true. I can be unsuccessful and also come to realizations
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:55 PM
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Let me guess? Making sweeping assumptions?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:54 PM
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You’re 100% correct and on point
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:53 PM
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It’s a debate subreddit. Hope that helps
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:52 PM
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A guy that needs emotional comfort will not be desired by females anyway, so you never truly get that if you need it and sex can be obtained from "other places".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:14 PM
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I think men should take a good hard look about why they want a relationship. I'm a man and I have never been in a real relationship but I thought long and hard about it and realized it would only be a burden for me. This is unpopular to say but a woman truly cannot do anything for you except sex and emotional comfort and if you're the type of guy that needs emotional comfort, they don't want you anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:53 PM
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