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| 0 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?I only use the word pair bond because this is the word used here. I get that is why you use the word, but the word is specifically used here most likely because of EP research, which as I said before is kind of shoddy most of the time with its conclusions. Not saying that your statement isn’t true, but I would be skeptical of anyone using animalistic terms for human behavior. How doesn't it work out mathematically....? Well if a girl has intercourse with a new man, that would count as a +1 to th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/19 04:47 PM |
| 2 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?I guess it has volume as well... lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/19 04:43 AM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?Thanks. I always see him post shoddy EP research and apparently he is loved in this community for some reason for it. Since he commented on one of my posts I decided to finally do a much more detailed read and review of the stuff he posted. I normally don't feel it is worth it, but I had time on my hands today. The results of today's TGP posted studies?.... Still disappointing..... Pretty much the same problems that plagues most all of EP. Dispute him constantly telling everyone and myself t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/19 04:08 AM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?If you consider a good reason “they totally ate our lunch” then I guess you’re right. Yeah... that is it... It isn't because of the poor research that gets consistently published in that field that I will address further in the post. And really with the EP is the Chemistry to Psychology's alchemy?.... That whole thing was really cringeworthy and completely false... EP is more like Astrology trying to pretend it is as scientific as Psychology's Astronomy. Now who’s stuck in the 1990s ? That was p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/19 01:33 AM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?There's also a lot of saying that it's the other way around: people who can't pair bond will have lot of sex with different people, it's not the sex that made them unable to pair bond. Well the term of pair bonding is mostly only used for animal research and used by evo psych people... I am not doubting that people might have a harder time in relationships due to earlier promiscuity or that people are promiscuous due to other issues (many of those things are well documented), but most of the peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/19 09:48 PM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?despite being a dude who feels like dying if he doesn’t crack a nut then why can’t women tone it down? I feel like most men don't feel they are dying though. Also there are a lot of women who aren't promiscuous. If all you find is promiscuous women, then maybe you are looking in the wrong places. Many of my female friends who weren't Christian didn't have sex till their early-mid 20's and had fairly low n-counts. I only knew one person who had one higher than 3 in that group. I tried dating earl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/19 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Would you want to have been born the opposite sex of what you are nowWell, given we have vastly more female than male ancestors, it is pretty safe to say that women have a much easier time passing on their genes. Not only is that is the only person I can find making that claim, but what you got out of that was that women have it easier in dating? That is what you got out of that? Well there really isn’t any other research other than this one that backs your claim, but even these stats break down once you get into polygamy, and the fact that most societies have hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/19 02:00 PM |
| 1 | Would you want to have been born the opposite sex of what you are nowWhat, that most women are sexually successful, especially when compared to the number of men? That and research showing women to all act the same. You made two pretty huge claims. It wasn't easy, at all. It broke me mentally for quite some time. It still isn't easy, because it's not really who I am either. Then why do it? Why compromise yourself when there is better advise out there that doesn’t use creepy tactics, works to your strengths, and doesn’t just attract women with emotional issues? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/19 03:06 AM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?Well I will check them out when I finish work. As you'll find out. EP has been doing an awful lot of measuring and checking and replication since the early 1990's. I would hope so. Unfortunately the field still is also full of pop-psychology crap as well though, and unfortunately those are the only psych articles that make the big news stations. It seems almost everything has held up through about 3 decades of alchemists psychologists trying to knock it down. I wouldn’t say it has held up. Psych… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/19 01:02 AM |
| 1 | Would you want to have been born the opposite sex of what you are nowYes, men can get away with a lot if they are physically attractive. Except the metro guy I was talking about before, wasn’t an attractive guy. I mean he wasn’t hugely overweight or anything, but he didn’t have much of a chin, had big ass eyebrows, and definitely doesn’t fit the RP face standard. He was an odd looking dude. And "conservative" girls are just as easy as "liberal" ones. There really isn't all that much difference in how they behave. This statement and some of the statements you made… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/19 12:04 AM |
| 1 | Would you want to have been born the opposite sex of what you are nowAre you a woman? I'm genuinely curious I’m a man. if you think that men have a wide variety of roles they can play and be successful with women at the same time. Yeah. Many of my friends and the people I knew that killed it most in high school and college with the ladies were the guys that were very liberal, did no sports, didn’t work out, and the guy that killed it the most self proclaimed himself as metrosexual (when that was a fad), pretty much the opposite of the red pill ideal man. Not sayi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 09:52 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men who complain/bitch online about women don't get much sympathy from women because it's an unattractive trait.Peace out! Learn how to have an argument before entering a debate sub. If you don’t want to explain your points, then don’t bother responding to people on a sub like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 08:46 PM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?I am not into evolutionary psychology, nor I know a lot about it. But I am a economist. and let me tell you, TRP is quite good when they get from my area. If they do their homework with EP as they do with economics, Well, they are sure to have really good arguments. Well as fun as economics are, they aren’t great for understanding most aspects of relationship psychology. Psychology is a very different field compared to economics. Grand generalizable theories like economics makes normally aren’t … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 08:41 PM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?That sluts are not merely an artifact What? What does that mean? I didn’t say they were an artifact... whatever that means. Nor did I say anything about high status. I feel like we are in two different conversations | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 07:32 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men who complain/bitch online about women don't get much sympathy from women because it's an unattractive trait.Where do you see likes? Everybody's upvote count says "score hidden" for me Well I can see your upvotes on your comment and I can see my own. So maybe my score isn’t showing for you yet. You put quotes around, "don’t make fun of them! you should pity them because loneliness is a serious issue" but I never said that. I was paraphrasing. That was the jist of what you were saying to the other poster. My point and everything still stands. All you've done is misrepresent what I said and attack that m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 07:23 PM |
| 2 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?complaining or explaining how it is a bad strategy? Both. Not unfair, but certainly counterproductive. if you really wanna get a relationship why be high n count? it is clearly counterproductive. What you will do is up to you, but you clearly working against this goal of yours. I mean sure, but why scrutinize them if the whole goal of RP is to do the same thing? Why not appreciate that girls are more open to sex if the whole goal of RP is to get sex? Read the article in the post about relationsh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 06:43 PM |
| 2 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?I mean... cool. But again, what does that have to do with mine or the OPs post? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 06:32 PM |
| 1 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?I don't see very often men holding the argument that sluts are bad and all that, Well there is a lot saying that it makes women awful for relationships. Which I won’t fully disagree with, but what me and the OP are saying is it seems hypocritical seeing that RP is all about “how to become a man-slut”. It just seems odd to hear claims that women with high n-counts makes them bad partners while at the same time the entire point of the sub is to get higher n-counts... does that mean RP’s methods ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 06:30 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men who complain/bitch online about women don't get much sympathy from women because it's an unattractive trait.Why do you keep repeating that like it is some sort of “gotcha!” Line? Obviously the community agrees with me since my likes are significantly higher. If you meant something different with your earlier comment than what I “misinterpreted” it as, then explain what you actually meant rather than acting like a dumbass and wasting my time. This is an debate page, and you have done nothing to debate my point other than say “I didn’t say that”! Well if you didn’t say what I stated you said, then what … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 06:19 PM |
| 2 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?I personally am against slut shaming Well that is good. But what does the rest of this comment have to do with my earlier comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 06:13 PM |
| 5 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?I saw your other post. You mostly just talked about your preference for non-sluts, which is fine. No one has an issue with that. I would ask you though, what do you consider to be slutty? Why is that an issue for you? You also stated you are religious, so I am assuming that is the reason you aren’t into women with bigger sexual pasts, which also is fine. But then why join RP, Which pretty much only has the goal of attempting to be man-sluts? Wouldn’t that be against your religious ideas? Why not… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 05:56 PM |
| 1 | Would you want to have been born the opposite sex of what you are nowThe thing is that I am weak in several key areas of masculinity that women are generally attracted to and which would optimize my dating success. Well I would suggest something like “the art of manliness” then. They have a lot of great masculine dating advise and ways to overcome areas of insecurity that are specific to men. Also it isn’t extremely against women and uses advise from it’s team of psychologists rather than from bogus 90’s studies. I am not very good at taking the lead and approach… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 05:49 PM |
| 3 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?Well why are you expecting non-sluts to act like sluts on a first date? That would be my question. Why complain when average girls don’t bend to your will sexually, but also shame women for “riding the cock carousel” as most RP call it? RP complains that they hate double standards imposed on men, but are cool with this one. That is what the op is asking and is one of the many reasons people consider RP a misogynist group. Also why shame “sluts” for their decisions when this sub actively pursues … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 05:43 PM |
| 7 | What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?Look at any post about guys complaining of women riding the “cock carousel”. Those types of posts aren’t uncommon and at the same time there are posts about how women are super hard to have sex with and that it is unfair to guys... It definitely is a contradiction. RP tries to explain this away by saying that women only get with a very small percentage of men. But most sex studies don’t show that being true at all and pretty much everyone knows less or non attractive guys that get laid or got la… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 03:58 PM |
| 1 | Would you want to have been born the opposite sex of what you are nowYep. I struggle to even reach mediocrity at most male roles. Why be red pill then? With their attempting to be extremely masculine? I feel like other dating advise or not being Red Pill would work more towards your strengths. If you aren’t red pill ignore this I do seem to "mesh" with stereotypically female roles easier, not to mention that modern western women are more liberated to pick and choose those roles as it suits them. Well I feel like unless you live in the south or a very conservative… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 01:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men who complain/bitch online about women don't get much sympathy from women because it's an unattractive trait.I’m not misquoting you. But sure. Think what you must | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 12:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men who complain/bitch online about women don't get much sympathy from women because it's an unattractive trait.You definitely played the pity card... the earlier guy talked about how red pill mostly is upset because they aren’t getting pussy. And you responded with a “don’t make fun of them! you should pity them because loneliness is a serious issue”. But Red Pill isn’t about helping loneliness (actually judging on most 90’s PUA guys now, it actually negatively affects their ability to make relationships)... Red Pill is about trying to get guys laid and the guys on this sub are just bitching because they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 01:13 AM |
| 6 | CMV: Men who complain/bitch online about women don't get much sympathy from women because it's an unattractive trait.Loneliness has health effects and people do kill themselves / others over this kind of thing. Let’s not try to play the “pitty them, because they are just lonely men” card... RP guys aren’t looking to improve their ability to find true intimacy and feelings of relatedness in others to solve loneliness... they are looking for a quick bang... solving loneliness doesn’t require a person to bang as many girls as possible | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 05:41 AM |
| 1 | How should a guy go about obtaining casual sex/short term/ONS relationships?Well the "good stuff" in Red Pill are pretty much advise that has already been given to people everywhere else and also in what you call "blue pill" (basically anything non-red pill). For example, focus on yourself, approach women, gain attraction with them are already common advise found on pretty much any and every dating site that gives tips to men. That isn't new information. Red Pill just likes to claim everything as if they found it. Red Pill does have a lot of unique stuff though, but mos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/19 05:27 PM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?I thought you were going to answer the questions as well? did you really just try to ask these questions to try to change the subject to fit your terms? I will respond to them, but I will expect you to answer questions I have back. Believe it or not, many or most of the guys at TRP had similar views here. A lot of guys at MRP for sure. I never doubted that. I just argue that the way RP and the manosphere approaches finding this only gets pretty "low quality" women. Most people in RP are way too … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/19 04:51 AM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Fine, I’ll answer then. My ideal relationship in my opinion would be one where I find someone with the same values that I have (I’m religious so that is important to me specifically as well as other values). We don’t have to have all the same interests at the start but I would like some common ground for us to share. I need to be able to trust the person and vise versa. I want someone who is also respectful to others and is willing to help their community (through some sort of volunteer or commu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/19 03:01 AM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Why? This doesn’t really matter in this discussion. But I’ll answer your questions though if you would be willing to answer mine as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/19 02:06 AM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Straight up, exchanging anecdotes through loose peer review is more pragmatic and has actionable advice, rather than debating the topic academically. Have you never done research before? The process to get something published is a pretty long process that has a lot of check and balances to keep people honest unlike random biased sources from blog posts. Also academia for the field of relationships has a hell of a lot of pragmatic and has actionable advice since most all of the people who perform… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/19 09:30 PM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Nice cherry picking some sentences without context or by completely misunderstanding what is being said. I’ll help you understand since that seems to be hard for you. Consistent with previous research, we uncovered some evidence that undergraduate women find a dominant man more sexually appealing than a nondominant man Hmmm.. Yes. Earlier studies and this study showed that dominant men were more sexually appealing than completely non-dominant men. This study was set out to prove that dominant me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/19 06:45 PM |
| 0 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?It is more than many of these actually. Read some of the articles. The articles showed that physical attractiveness was shown to be less of a significant factor when compared to traits like altruism, humor, and storytelling. Plus many of the things you have stated are attractive are actually not good for attraction. For example this article shows a lot: Jerry M Burger and Mica Cosby (1999). Do women prefer dominant men? The case of the missing control condition. Journal of Research in Personalit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 10:37 PM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Alright, I will sum it up for you. You stated that “short term mate selection matches RP lore” I showed you that unlike what RP claims, studies on mate selection and attraction show that altruism along with other factors that RP disagrees with (and actively states that they hurt desirability) are actually significant factors in attraction and selecting mates. This is showing that the science of mate selection and attraction does not match RP’s claims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 10:19 PM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Except it hasn’t? Here are a bunch of studies to prove my point. Donahue, J., & Green, M. (2016). A good story: Men's storytelling ability affects their attractiveness and perceived status. Personal Relationships. DOI: 10.1111/pere.12120 Greengross, G. & Miller, G. Humor ability reveals intelligence, predicts mating success, and is higher in males. Intelligence. Volume 39, Issue 4, July–August 2011, Pages 188–192 Oda, R., Shibata, A., Kiyonari, T., Takeda, M., Matsumoto-Oda, A. (2013). Sexually … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 09:08 PM |
| 6 | Q4W: if you were in highschool, would you rather date a drug dealer or school president?I didn’t realize this sub had 20 IQ points to lose. Dumb questions are basically this entire sub | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 03:06 AM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Well if that is so easy for you to understand, then it also should be easy for you to know that you shouldn’t trust the psychological advise given by this community. Especially since most of them are talking out of their ass on most subjects (especially when it comes to psychology). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 01:52 AM |
| 2 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Your post is way too long to discuss the whole thing, but I’ll point out one thing. Look at the article you cited as proof. Most every scientific article cited in your posted article are sources from 25+ years ago. There have been a hell of a lot of advancements in our understanding of psychology, biology, zoology, and various other fields since then. The article seems laughably outdated. This is also one of the issues I have with most other RP ideas as well. Most RP ideas are backed up by extre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 01:43 AM |
| 2 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?This sub isn’t a science or psychology page and has very little knowledge of actual psychology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 01:32 AM |
| 1 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Well most actual peer reviewed articles disagree. Chimpanzee scientists also aren’t psychologists. Even amongst most zoologists, the ideas that many species have alpha and beta males is being fizzled out as people learn more about the complexities of animal life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 01:30 AM |
| 3 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?It isn’t backed up or based on any current research. It is based on some old debunked ideas from the 70s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/19 01:19 AM |
| 21 | To the betas, what makes you better than an alpha male?Dumb question because the idea of alpha and beta males is pseudoscience... the only people that believe in it are people in the PUA community. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/19 10:52 PM |
| 3 | In what ways do you go out of your way to minimize being hit on, or recieving male attention in general?Poor attempt at edgy humor... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/19 04:10 AM |
| 5 | In what ways do you go out of your way to minimize being hit on, or recieving male attention in general?You don’t even know anything about her and you would hit on her? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/19 03:22 AM |
| 1 | Why is hypergamy bad?Ben Shapiro is an incel in another life. No he isn’t.... he values responsibility and not blaming his situation on anything other than himself. The exact opposite of an incel. He also isn’t sex obsessed like RP or incels. You're looking at this situation through a moral lense when I'm attempting to illustrate to you guys why humans do what they do. No. You are making excuses for why people do what they do. You don’t know why humans do what they do because I know you aren’t a psychologist or an e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/19 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Why is hypergamy bad?Odd of you to quote Ben Shapiro's catchphrase when most all of his ideas completely disagree with your statement. Ben states that blaming things on nature or outside influences is a pathetic attempt to try to ignore personal responsibility. Many of ideas are pretty much the opposite of Red Pill thought, which seems so odd since many Red Pill people really like him a lot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/19 06:32 PM |
| 3 | Why is hypergamy bad?How did he cherry pick? You just need to look at the top comments to see what he is taking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/19 02:25 AM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Well from my point of view the Jedi are evil! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 07:52 PM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.What do you mean? Well the side bar explains RP terminology and ideas of RP as well as goals. But they basically say the same things most RP redditors state, but with more elegance than an average RP poster. It still has the same fear mongering inherent in the core tenants of RP thought, but not stated in as hostile a tone as the normal redditor might state it. Bloops tend to be liberal. That is a trend among TBP that is observable. Anyone who is “blue pill” is anyone who isn’t red pill... there… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.that is not the same as this being said verbatim in TRP’s sidebar. But it is the same thing being said in the sidebar about female nature. The difference is that the sidebar tries to word it a bit more eloquently and tries to back up thief claims by posting the same crap EP research from the 90s to back themselves up. BP encompasses a lot of beliefs. Mostly liberal, and liberals use feels-based arguments as “evidence” all the time. What? BP is a mix of everyone who isn’t red pill. It isn’t a spe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Liberals prefer fact based arguments as long as the facts agree with their position. What the hell does this have to do with liberals or politics in general? We have to believe climate scientists. Well it is pretty agreed on that the climate is changing in the scientific community, not just liberals. What isn’t agreed on between scientists is how much does man contribute to it. Still not sure how this is related to the topic at hand.... Evopsych researchers and engineers who's analysis they don'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 12:26 AM |
| 7 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Bloops use feels based arguments as well as fear mongering. Really? I feel RP is extremely heavily based on fear mongering. One of their big ideas is the dumb AF/BB theory which is completely a fear mongering idea based on no actual evidence. “Follow these RP steps to a relationship or you will be a BetaBux/soyboy and your wife will cheat on you with some Alpha and take all your money and the kids!” Also BP isn’t based on feels arguments. BP is literally anything that isn’t RP and most relations… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 04:19 AM |
| 2 | [Science]: Divorce is predicted by how satisfied men are when they marry.Well the male rate is more commonly agreed on to be closer to 20-22% while female rate is mostly on average found to be around 10-12%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/18 02:51 AM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: why do men marry the woman who is boring in bed and then get surprised when they land in a deadbedroom a few years later?But if you buy a lemon and it breaks down, you shouldn’t be surprised either | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/18 02:32 AM |
| 2 | Why is NAWALT considered a bad response?The difference is that all women don’t fall under the exact same specific ideology. It is much easier to generalize RP because they all believe core ideas about human nature that tells them how they should think and act. Assuming they follow those ideas, it is much easier and more accurate to generalize RP because of this. It isn’t as contradictory as you are claiming it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 07:50 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: Why do nice guys consistently lose out to men like this?who can sometimes beat me in netrunner Netrunner! Too bad that game is discontinued :( Yeah, RP tends to like to believe women think like a hive mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 03:54 AM |
| 3 | Q4W: Why do nice guys consistently lose out to men like this?women are also attracted to aggression This isn’t exactly true. Women are attracted to assertive qualities. Aggressive and dominant traits are actually considered unattractive according to most research. I do agree that it isn’t as simple as simple physical attractiveness like the other person claims though | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 03:48 AM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenIn the context of the paragraph before it, it sounded more like a “I do my life and you do yours” type of thing. Sorry for the misunderstanding though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenPart 2 and the end. Most of the other stuff you state is pretty much anecdotal or are excuses for why RP doesn’t have research (RP try to be secret, can’t test things, or other excuses). I would cite and post more articles, but it seems you have a limited grasp of research since you believe that quillette articles and NLP are accurate sources of information, and you believe that people hate RP because of PC stuff rather than the fact that it produces bad research... also you obviously didn’t rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/18 07:29 AM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenBut before I begin, I feel that I need to elaborate that I am not defending the TRP sub here on Reddit. Well good because am not attacking the sub as much as I am the core ideology. Your comment is long, but I will split up your comment into appropriate sections and comment on them since there is some information you repeat and some arguments you have that all have the same issues that I will address. Firstly, let’s talk about research. I’m pretty sure you haven’t done done research or studied i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/18 06:23 AM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenIf you are talking about the TRP sub, then I have pretty much admitted owned up that it's not what it used to be. They, themselves are openly complaining about the issues with the influx of incel posters diluting any real discussion. I’m not just talking about the influx of incels. I am talking about many of the core ideas of RP that have been there since the PUA days. Ideas like AWALT, women’s nature being illoyal, illogical, manipulative, immature, and basically being adult children but someho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/18 08:10 PM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenPart 2 of my reply since it didn’t all fit: As for the final answer to your question...if there was something out there better than RP, then guys would be doing it already. Well most people do take other advise. And it works. So guys are already doing the other stuff. RP is a very small cultish community also. So people aren’t flocking to RP like you think. Most people end up finding relationship and doing fine with other research. You are acting like RP is the only advise that is out there and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/18 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenYou have no real foundational evidence that dismisses any point that I have made. To be fair, most RP methods don’t have foundational evidence that they do work. I think you have a lot more to prove than I do, but I will answer your questions anyways. Your "RP horror stories" claim actually supports my stance. These all come from men that are "failed RPs." I mean this sounds like the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Where every bad thing that RP has been known to do is brushed off as “they aren’t tru… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/18 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenBut, for me, the archetype of a "manly men" has "cunning bastard" as one of it's requirements. It's needed to be able to climb most hierarchies. Not true. Good social skills, leadership skills, and work ethic are things that are more important to get you higher up in workplace and social groups and is much healthier for yourself and more enjoyable for others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/18 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Marrying Redpill MenIf you do RP right, it won't matter because you will have become better overall; more confident and comfortable talking to people (women), in better condition, and looking better. You will have reinvented yourself so that is who you will be. That is what RP claims people will be, but that rarely is ever the actual result. There are a lot more horror stories of people tanking their relationships due to RP than RP men actually becoming self-actualizing. It isn’t due to them “not doing it right, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/18 05:41 PM |
| 2 | It is only "creepy" to eye up women if you are an ugly man CMVNo it isn’t. I have not been told I am a creep. Most of my friends seem to agree. Maybe you and your friends are just all creeps | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/18 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Where do these Blue Pill Platitudes come from?Take, for a metaphorical example, a brilliant author that has terrible handwriting (or maybe spelling because this is 2018.) This person could have the most profound, thought provoking messages but if no one can read them, it doesn't matter. The soundest advice to the author in this case isn't necessarily to work on the message This example is a good one if that is what you are talking about, but you aren’t. You argued that people should act different in early dates and RP argues that a lot also… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/18 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Where do these Blue Pill Platitudes come from?How do you expect to give anyone the chance to accept your "true self" if they are immediately repelled by your first impression? Firstly, why would you want to date someone who is repelled by your “true self”? The point of a relationship is to find someone you are compatible with. But people asking for the advice often have no idea how to even begin to participate in the dating market at all. I find most people that really struggle with the dating market have these issues. Mostly that they have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/18 07:32 AM |
| 1 | Men aren’t really as desperate for sex as TRP claims"standardless" guys to satisfy "below-standard" women. Standardless guys are “below-standard” men. If you don’t have standards, you have self esteem issues or something else to cause that. Well adjusted men have standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/18 02:02 AM |
| 1 | Are women more assertive than men?Not really. This study still only looked at anger with angry and frustrated responses from the fake male/female, not assertiveness. Your comments are accurate I feel, but this study isn’t looking at assertiveness. Interesting study though. I would like to see this repeated with better methodology though. This study only done with undergraduates. I’m curious how age/sex/ race or other factors can come into play. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 11:00 PM |
| 1 | Are women more assertive than men?Having anger and acting on it is not the same thing as being assertive. You are mistaking aggression for assertiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?A person who is entering a relationship is entirely within his (or her) rights to expect sexual intimacy with the partner Sure. I never debated this. People can expect intimacy. That doesn’t mean that your significant other should always be willing to give it though. There are a hell of a lot of RP members that believe that if your wife/girlfriend isn’t giving sex than you are “betabux/soy boy/whatever dumb term is popular this week”. That isn’t true. but when sex is more or less off the table, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 06:31 PM |
| 0 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?The problem is that feminists behave that a guy isn't even entitled to these expectations in the first place I don’t hear anyone saying you aren’t entitled to have expectations. They are just criticizing those expectations because they are entitled ones. People are allowed to have those expectations, though it is also fine to criticize those expectations and call them entitled ones. ...just as you did, if we simply swap "demand" with "expect". “Expecting” that they should give you sex just becau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 02:48 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?What is the best then? Things like telling people to work out or discussing how your life or health has improved by working out (probably the best advise red pill gives but something that is also found basically everywhere else). I love working out and most psychologists and fitness experts agree that working out in some form or another is an amazing benefit all around. I would say that is the best advise because it doesn’t encourage dark triad personality traits or any other maladaptive persona… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/18 06:46 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?I wasn't addressing those books specifically. I'm sure they are great, but a lot of self help material preys on the vulnerable I agree that a lot of self help material is bull, but to throw out every thing of self help is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. It is pretty easy to check if a certain self help book is actually a scam or not though. You just have to see if researchers in the field actually agree with it or not. So it can be disregarded and only the best rises to the top. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/18 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Human needs (even those in the 'physiological' category) aren't limited to things that we would literally die without directly. Individual physiological needs are the biological requirements for human survival. They are needs, that if not met, the human body cannot function properly. That is literally the definition. Physiological needs do not require you to be happy or satisfied. That is why sex isn’t a part of most versions of Maslow’s hierarchy anymore by most people who still defend that it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?It does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs clearly states sex being part of the physiological needs. Not anymore as often. Look up more recent stuff on the hierarchy. Since the 2000s it has been basically criticized to be removed since it is not close to necessary to survival or to reaching higher tiers on the hierarchy. That is why most recent pyramids have removed it and replaced it with homeostasis. Here is an article you can look up at your local library about it. M… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Source? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?A lot of self help material is useless because it's made to return a profit and doesn't actually solve the problem. But both of those books are books that are liked by psychologists and professionals. Also those aren’t scam self-help book. I understand avoiding profit scam books, but avoiding everything self-help is ridiculous. Especially since TRP is basically a self-help group (but with much worse advise since it isn’t really regulated). TRP is "open-source" so to speak, succinct, no bullshit,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 06:37 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?TRP encourages getting to 10% body fat, being successful in your career, and being socially high in the hierarchy. If that is all you want then why not just read “How to Win Friends and Influence People” or “The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People”? Both of those books have already helped people for decades to do those things with better advise, no misogyny, no Black and white thinking, no projection, and none of the other bullshit... As I said before, all the “good stuff” of RP is already said … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?We disagree here - in my view, the physical release of sex (more fundamental than higher level things such as relationships and intimacy) is indeed a basic aspect of a normal, healthy human life. You can disagree all you want but it isn’t the same as food or water. People can go without sex. You can’t go without food, water, or shelter and survive for long. Not a basic need. No current practicing psychologist or scientist would agree with your stance. Please see the diagram http://bit.ly/2JTOe75… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 04:53 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Girls doling out “nice guy points”? You mean people accepting when others are nice? How is that girls fault? So you are saying it is women’s fault because guys misread them? Why should women change. 95% of men are able to read women just fine. Maybe some of the men struggling should learn to read women better? Why should women change for the few guys that get butthurt because they themselves misread woman and expected a relationship just for just being nice? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 02:04 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Being hurt about being rejected and lashing out isn’t reflective of a literal belief that you are entitled to sex No grown man should be lashing out... that is what a 5 year old does when he can’t get that toy he wanted. lashing out because you don’t get what you want is entitled behavior... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 01:52 AM |
| 0 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?In a way they do take some responsibility , but they also deflect a hell of a lot of responsibility at the same time (blaming a lot of problems on women, feminism, hypergamy, tinder, Hollywood, and I just had someone tell me celebrities are also a reason why virgins have it rough...). I know this sounds like I am contradicting myself, but I will explain more. People that aren’t as good socially normally have trouble with women and a group like TRP is extremely enticing to them. The reason why th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 01:21 AM |
| 2 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?In a way they do take some responsibility , but they also deflect a hell of a lot of responsibility at the same time (blaming a lot of problems on women, feminism, hypergamy, tinder, Hollywood, and I just had someone tell me celebrities are also a reason why virgins have it rough...). I know this sounds like I am contradicting myself, but I will explain more. People that aren’t as good socially normally have trouble with women and a group like TRP is extremely enticing to them. The reason why th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?if you’re unable to see that there’s a societal cost to being a male virgin you’re hopeless. Dude. The cost is very little... outside of having some douche high school name calling, and there are so many worse things. You are acting like it is a tragedy equal to what women went through with being slut shamed which is ridiculous. Are you going to compare it to living in poverty stricken neighborhoods next? Living in gang afflicted areas? You are acting like being a virgin is a death sentence or s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Celebrities are a very reliable reflection of society’s attitude. This is ridiculous. No they aren’t. Celebrities are a reflection of Hollywood which is very different than society as a whole. If celebrities were an accurate reflection of society’s attitude then republicans wouldn’t have the presidency and the senate currently (most celebrities being very liberal), drugs would be much more a common place than they are, and America would be much different culturally and diversity wise than it is.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 09:47 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?But to find a partner for something as basic as casual sex should not require advanced knowledge. Casual sex isn’t a basic right, need, or anything close to food, health, or safety... People have a need for relationships with others, not casual sex. This isn’t an issue with society, this is an issue only for people who want sex while trying to skip having relationship. And it doesn’t require advanced knowledge to even do that. Maslow's hierarchy of needs places sex at the very base level of phys… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 09:00 PM |
| 3 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?What you seem to be saying is that it's morally wrong to be upset. I never said that... this is a horrible strawman if I ever heard it... you can be as upset as you want, but I can criticize the reasons why you might be upset if they are dumb reasons. I do think it is bad to feel you are owed sex from someone. If you are just upset over not getting sex from someone and not upset because of the meanings or feelings behind that, then that is definitely a douche bag thing. It Kind of shows what you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 08:41 PM |
| 0 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Well you stated that women who state this are just engaging in shit talking, when it actually isn’t a bad point. Many people on this very subreddit do believe sex is an entitlement. Countering that claim by saying “sex isn’t an entitlement” isn’t rah rah shit talking. I would argue that calling it all “rah rah shittalking” is lacking nuance and missing the argument being made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?if people are passing through the system without being able to attain enough food to live, or basic healthcare, even when putting great effort into trying to gain them, this would indicate something deeply wrong with that system Or counterpoint, there could be something wrong with the actions the individual is taking in order to achieve those things (which is the more likely conclusion). Most people struggling with relationships have issues socially, can’t do basic introspection, or project thei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 07:20 PM |
| 0 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?If anyone isn’t nuanced, it is the RP community. Most all of their views rely heavily on black and white thinking and huge sweeping generalizations. It is also true that people aren’t entitled to sex or love. That isn’t a false statement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 07:06 PM |
| 5 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Just because you expect it doesn’t mean you are entitled to it. Just because you are in a relationship, it doesn’t mean you are owed sex. There are many reasons why someone might want to wait to have sex or won’t want to give sex right off the bat in a relationship. Demanding that they should give you sex just because they are in a relationship is a douche move and does make the person demanding it entitled. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 07:01 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?it's trying to meet lovers through your friend circle. Sure, I know that. And many men fail because they are trying to do that through nice points and then get angry when women don’t give them sex or a relationship when they feel they earned enough. That is entitlement. That is what people make fun of. People don’t make fun of those people failing at relationships. People make fun of the entitlement that caused them to fail or the entitled feeling they show after. It is normal to be upset after … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 06:46 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?Your whole first paragraph talks about celebrities. Celebrities aren’t the norm. Women being provocative has always sold very in media well even back in the 80s with Madonna and further back into the 50s with Marilyn Monroe. That isn’t a new thing. Just because something is accepted with celebrities doesn’t mean it is accepted in normal life. Marilyn Monroe was selling huge during a time when being a “slut” would completely ruin a girls social reputation. Just because sex sells, doesn’t mean it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 06:17 PM |
| 5 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?But it’s somehow way more acceptable to berate the virgin men than the sexually liberated women. That isn’t true. People past the ages of high school don’t berate virgin men and women who are considered “slutty” are still heavily socially stigmatized. And finally, why would lonely men listen to feminists given that their advice just don’t work? According to who? RPers? Most RP fail at relationships due to lack of introspection and projection. feminist advise isn’t the only other advise though. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 05:35 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists say 'men are not entitled to sex' rather than saying 'men are not entitled to love'?being frustrated because you're missing out on a fundamental human experience. People don’t laugh or make fun of the manosphere for being frustrated. They make fun of them for blaming all their problems on women or society instead of realizing that they are the problem themselves. Many women interpret frustration as entitlement No. They see entitlement as entitlement. There are a lot of people in Manosphere groups and nice guys that do believe that sex is something owed to them by women for putt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanDid you even read the link I posted? start with the many different sources he cited. It definitely quotes a lot of sources that directly contradict a lot of RP ideas. Now it just sounds like you are being lazy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 06:57 PM |
| 2 | Can a woman do something to increase her value in the eyes of men?Those who say she’s ugly are neckbeards with unreasonable standards. Those who say she’s hot are thirsty whiteknight beta orbiters. I don’t see any issue with her pic on the right. Honestly, the change isn’t crazy different. She looks like she could be really cute to be honest, and I feel I have pretty good standards. To be fair it is hard to just judge from one static photo with poor lighting. I don’t think I am a beta orbiter at all seeing I am not RP and have had a good dating life lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanIt's easy to say what something isn't, much harder to say what it is. Well that is because blue pill is literally anything that isn’t TRP lol... blue pill encompasses a lot of different people from varying backgrounds and groups. I can explain for you where the term came from if that is what you want. The blue pill was a term made up TRP to kind of generalize any dating advise that wasn’t TRP. Normally TRP tried to paint any non-RP dating advise as inferior. In reality, Blue pill is literally ju… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 06:01 AM |
| 2 | What would you say is the worst dating advice YOU have been told and why?it's courtship people will assume it's going further. Well that doesn’t make it bad advise. That just means there is a misunderstanding from courtship people. This "advice" is causes so many problems today. How does that advise cause problems? It still is good advise to try to date people to get used to dating practices. That is still good advise | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 05:42 AM |
| 1 | What would you say is the worst dating advice YOU have been told and why?Whats wierd though, is when I was very young, I was around girls only. Then up until I went to Secondary School (High School in USA?), all my just vanished. Understood. The same thing kind of happened to me a bit when I started college. It was a new place and I was trying super hard to redefine myself. I ended up just not acting like myself for a while and I feel it was pretty evident to most people since early college was when I was struggling the most when it came to dating. It really was when… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 05:40 AM |
| 1 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanWell you can go to your local library or college library/database and look up articles from the Journal of Marriage and Family Therapy. While the name might seem to imply that they only look at married couples and their families, that isn’t true as they also look at issues with dating and various other things. It is a quarterly journal that consistently publishes accurate data on relationships and has a high standard for the research they publish. I can’t link anything from it though because you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 05:11 AM |
| 0 | What would you say is the worst dating advice YOU have been told and why?Telling someone to "Just Be Themselves" makes it sound like they choose to be that way. I never said it was the best way to tell someone that, but that doesn’t make it bad advise. It just makes it at worst non-specific advise. And for many people it is a choice and I will explain later. That "Advice" solves nothing. Well most regularly adjusted men do know what this advise means for themselves and have heard this advise and learned from it. It is mostly manosphere individuals or people with low … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 04:41 AM |
| 1 | What would you say is the worst dating advice YOU have been told and why?This is actually good advise... Going on a date doesn’t have to be a big event. Just two people going out for coffee and getting to know each other can be a date. Serious dating has to start somewhere. So why not invite that cute girl you see for coffee to see if you might want to seriously date her later? You don’t have to only court people to hang out with them and find out if you are romantically interested. This is good advise because it gets people used to interacting with women in this sit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 04:17 AM |
| 2 | What would you say is the worst dating advice YOU have been told and why?Well this advise is due to he fact that many guys get nervous around women and then either consciously or not, tend to not act in a way they normally do. A lot of people fail in dating due to this. My friend does this often actually. My friend is the biggest nerd and acts like a complete dork, but he is confident and normally proud about it. Even though he has very different interests than most women, he still gets a lot of girls interested in him due to the fact that he is a very fun person to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 04:07 AM |
| 1 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanWell that is something you need figure out. I don’t know you, so I don’t know specifically your issue with that. Why don’t you like spending time with people? Also a reddit forum and specifically RP is probably not the best place for this advise. I would ask a therapist maybe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 09:48 AM |
| 2 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanI take hypergamy in the red pill sense also to mean that women are constantly on the lookout for "better men" and will leave their current partner without hesitation should the chance to attain a "better partner" emerge. The issue is that rarely any women actually do this. This is one of the reasons why most people reject RPs idea of hypergamy. It just is a bunch of crazy paranoia. The fact that most RP believes this kind of shows why they might have or are currently struggling with relationship… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 07:44 AM |
| 4 | Q4W: Besides sex, what do you personally bring to the table in a relationship?How is that trolling? You don’t know what trolling is I made all my points based on things you actually said, quoted you and everything, and gave you a chance to correct me if I was wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 07:36 AM |
| 2 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanI think bluepill relates to an idea that 'you are what you are, and if you put yourself out there you will find someone who appreciates you'. It comes from a mindset that people don't change. This is a pretty big strawman of bluepill. Bluepill is basically anything that doesn’t agree with redpill. This is basically just was redpill people tell other red pills what blue pill is so they feel better. Blue pill just rejects a lot of the misogynistic and childish “analyses” of female nature and knows… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanSounds like you need more friends. Join a community group or something. You should trust your husband, but he shouldn’t be literally everything. Find more friends through maybe doing some type of hobby or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:34 AM |
| 5 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanUh oh... And that is how you know your message must have gone horribly wrong somewhere | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous woman“Relationship experts” are a joke. Who decides they’re an expert? By what criteria is this measured? MFT Psychology is a full area of psychology that looks at, studies, and constantly prints research on relationships. It is measured on publishing research, performing counseling for multiple years, and spending many years getting at least a Masters degree, PsyD or PhD. Maybe you should look at some of that advise and research that rather than most unfounded RP advise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:19 AM |
| 3 | Q4W: Besides sex, what do you personally bring to the table in a relationship?Yeah, and that response didn’t make it better.... come on man.... “Men are trying to communicate the disconnect between the actual value of what women offer and their expectations.” Your response to him basically just repeated this again. Obviously you think women have too high expectations. This statement again sounds like you are trying again for a “got you” type of thing. It sounds like you are trying to wait to see what women say and then hit them with the “see? You have unrealistic expectat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:04 AM |
| 2 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?Well it did happen a lot in America. I wouldn’t say it was the cultural norm for many places, but it did happen in decent numbers well into the 1900s. Do you think that America was completely free of this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 04:46 AM |
| 6 | Q4W: Besides sex, what do you personally bring to the table in a relationship?I havent done this to any woman here, so I don't see how you've come to that conclusion. I got that notion because you literally said this: “I think this is because women typically over value themselves and guys say that to be realistic, and show that those traits aren't valuable enough to warrant such high standards.” Also no one asks “what do you offer other than sex?”. Maybe you just are bad with wording your sentences, but that sentence is loaded with the idea that most women just offer sex.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 04:43 AM |
| 5 | Q4W: Besides sex, what do you personally bring to the table in a relationship?I'm not. Well the core of this post and judging from your comments it seems like you feel that women overvalue themselves and you are asking women to state what they bring to the table for a “got you” moment. I’m guessing the feeling that women overvalue themselves might come from some personal experience or something. Though I could be wrong. If I am, then what did I get wrong? I don't have high standards. I have realistic ones. I'm just a regular guy, I'd be more than happy with a regular girl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 12:51 AM |
| 6 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?I thought fathered preferred to marry their daughters up or at least across. That isn’t true. A lot of fathers traded daughters to families that would give their family the most benefit. A daughters happiness wasn’t at the forefront on most marriage decisions. On top of the fact that the daughters had no choice and faced dire social and other consequences if they did not like the person they married and tried to leave. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 11:59 PM |
| 11 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?And we can ask him how harmful it is to have a woman far younger and much more beautiful than he would ever be able to get. They both are completely benefiting and hypergamy works both ways. Men have been shown to be more hypergamous when it comes to age and physical attractiveness compared to women, While women tend to be somewhat more hypergamous when it comes to education and socioeconomic status. And most people actually date people who are equal in most aspects anyways. Hypergamy doesn’t re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 11:54 PM |
| 4 | Q4W: Besides sex, what do you personally bring to the table in a relationship?Well if you don’t believe they are valuable enough, then maybe don’t go after those women? And just a question out of curiosity, but what value do you feel you bring to women to warrant high standards in women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 11:40 PM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?Sorry for the late reply! Had a busy weekend and working a lot of overtime. I will PM you my response a bit later since you wrote a hell of a lot and I have a lot to say about it since your whole argument relies on EP studies (which I knew it would). Also you have misinformation on which aspects you think are actually backed by articles. Many things you claimed are backed by science are not as supported as you think. I’ll go more into depth about a lot of the misinformation in the analysis you p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 01:38 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?I don't think their aim is to become Chad. Sometimes it sure looks that way. A lot of RP forums and advise have extensive and lengthy conversations about how they are basically trying to beat women at dating in the same manner “Chad” does. That is why you tend to see dark triad personality traits considered to be favorable traits for dating in many RP discussions. Not saying all RP does this, but those types of threads do come up way too often to be just considered a small minority. It's to beco… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/18 02:38 PM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?I still think you’re missing the distinction here im trying to make, and that RP makes. I get what you are trying to say... you are just still misunderstanding me. I will again try to make it easier for you. If you “take scientific knowledge” and then you add to that “something that is not scientific knowledge” My point is that RP normally doesn’t use “scientific knowledge” as the base, or heavily misinterpret the results of the small amounts of studies they do use. My point is about the base of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/18 01:47 PM |
| 1 | One metric as to how women value men.Then came the divorce boom of the 1970s and 1980s. A huge part of that is unattractive men. I would love to see evidence that the divorces were due to unattractiveness and not just due to women getting more agency and that it was finally being more socially acceptable for people to leave bad marriages. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/18 12:12 PM |
| 1 | One metric as to how women value men.So now according to you we have: Commenting = proving you right Downvoting = lack of courage I’m not sure if you understand the concepts of courage or being right | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/18 11:50 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men do not like insecure women. They just wish their oneitis was liked them enough to be clingy.However it is way more a turn off for women than men. According to who? There is a reason why men tend to say “run” when women show signs of insecurity. Insecurity can be cute for a man if he can manage it. I don’t see how insecurity is cute to a guy. That is a red flag whenever I am dating and most guys I know would agree. Can you explain me a situation where it is cute? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/18 04:22 AM |
| 1 | One metric as to how women value men.Who let the the incels loose on the sub again? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 04:33 AM |
| 2 | One metric as to how women value men.Says who? I would love to see a peer reviewed research article that states this. To be honest, you sound just like a “nice guy” with your “girls only like assholes shtick”... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 04:29 AM |
| 3 | One metric as to how women value men.I’m right and you know it. If I weren’t you wouldn’t have responded at all, much less twice. That isn’t how “being right” works. Having more comments =\= being right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 04:18 AM |
| 1 | How did this new version of Red Pill form? As in the dating marketplace version, not the MRA version.Yeah, a lot of Red Pill seem like they are mostly just upset that love isn’t coming to their door and knocking. Hearing from RP personal stories, it also seems a lot of RP tends to be more reclusive and socially awkward individuals that misread social cues and that is why they have had issues with relationships in the past. Red Pill might seems like a solution to their issues similar to how “get rich quick schemes” might seem interesting to a person down on their financial luck. “Do you want to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 03:47 AM |
| 2 | Why is insecurity NOT a kiss-of-death trait for a woman?No sex likes insecure behavior. That is a red flag for both men and women alike. For both men and women that normally ends up bad when they have an insecure partner. Women that are clingy try to use men for their emotional crutch and get jealous easily and that isn’t healthy, while insecure men tend to be extremely controlling and jealous as well. Both are not good for any relationship If you are asking this because you are insecure, you should work on that insecurity then rather than visiting R… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 03:24 AM |
| 10 | CMV: Men do not like insecure women. They just wish their oneitis was liked them enough to be clingy.I don’t think either sex likes clingy people. That is a red flag to both men and women as it shows insecurity. Insecurity is a turn off for both sexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 03:03 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?Yeah, well most men on trp won’t become chads either. Plus, you won’t be getting with many girls if you can’t even relate to or have normal conversations and friendships with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 01:59 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?I like that you feel the need to try to explain science to me, but you are completely misunderstanding my point. I know what science is. I’ll try to make my points a bit easier for you to understand. I’ll try to use some of your statements and examples to help you better understand it and directly respond to them. The first bit is the science.... the second bit (usually derived by trial and error) is the non-scientific addition to that which makes it an actionable piece of advice for actual huma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 01:35 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?I didn't say it did. It adds "trial and error" to scientific knowledge, trial and error by itself isn't scientific. You said the trials and errors add to scientific knowledge. Which I stated isn't true. Most RP don't base their trials on scientific knowledge, so to say it adds anything to scientific knowledge isn't true. Also, as mentioned before, the "trials" are all done by people who all have a similar mindset, similar views on women, and many have either little experience is dating or haven’… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/18 08:21 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?RPs just about the only one that adds “trial and error” across a large baseline of men to the science. That isn’t exactly true. RP doesn’t add anything to the “scientific knowledge” of dating relationships. Sure there are a lot of attempts that people write down, but there is no control in any those attempts, no proof of the authenticity of the users claims or measurements, most all RP come from a very similar mindset, and most of RP are people who either are struggling with relationships or who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/18 11:59 PM |
| 0 | The toxic male egoOnly thing missing from what I read, is the idea of male respect. Where if someone is better than us we respect them. I wouldn’t say men respect other men who are “better”. I mean look at many posts on this subreddit going on about how “chad” is abusive, dumb, and only gets by on looks? I see more jealousy over “better” men than respect | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/18 05:39 AM |
| 3 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?What I have issue with is how nowadays it’s not okay to say such things aloud and even the opposite is often endorsed What things can’t be said aloud? Telling men to be assertive and take control of their lives isn’t allowed? I don’t hear anyone saying that isn’t allowed. I bet most anyone in the world would give this advise to any man whether they are looking for a relationship or not. Those are just good life skills that also happen to translate to dating. How do you think it made me feel when… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/18 01:49 AM |
| 3 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?Like what kind of advice? Well men’s fitness has been giving out male advise since 1986 and has had many articles on dating. And I know it is a running gag to say “I read playboy for the articles”, but playboy magazine has continued to have many great articles on dating, sex, and relationship dynamics/advise since the magazine came out. Playboy has honestly had a lot of great articles over the years and normally has top notch writers. There also is a full area of psychological study that looks i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/18 12:00 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] What is the point of this sub, even?So there is lots of information in, say, gender differences in attraction.... but next to none on “how to use that knowledge to make yourself more attractive” and that’s harder then you think. There are actually a lot of group, articles, and other advise based on research that have gone over that topic. RP isn’t the first group to think of ways to make men more attractive for women. And many other groups that have gone over advise on how to be more attractive towards women are much better than t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/18 10:52 PM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.Nice argument. I like how you try to trash my argument but give me no links to prove your generalizations are true. Good job trying to avoid having to prove your points. I provided links, so I am waiting for research articles proving your claims. Most men don't have much conquests to show off. No. most men just don’t act childish or desperate about sex like red pill and many manosphere groups do. Are you really in high school or something? If you brag about sex as an adult, no one gives a fuck. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/18 08:25 AM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.It seems you have difficulty relating to me and my experience. Dude. It isn’t that I have an issue relating, it is that I don’t believe you... most men don’t even go around high fiving each other for getting with women much less women doing it about “local athletes”. Maybe if you are in young high school? Either that or you just hang out with the wrong crowd of women since most women don’t do that. link Sure. Here are a couple of citations of articles talking about issues like social anxiety, PT… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/18 07:44 AM |
| 2 | Respect not sought but givenA lot of petty things can become significant if done repeatedly and for a long enough time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/18 08:24 PM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.The first two paragraphs are only saying why YOU don’t relate with women. Not why men can’t. Hope you find out how to at some point though. women often brag about getting fucked by local athletes or that hot guy everybody wants--don't even try to pretend they don't. What women do you hang out with? I have never heard women brag about sexual conquest. This just sounds like projection, and probably is. Therapy "works" in two cases: suppressing symptoms with medication, and providing a weekly oppor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/18 07:44 PM |
| 1 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldGood posts aren't good research. I was asking for actual published research articles, not just Red Pill and Incels talking theories on a sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/18 02:57 AM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.Women have crushes they are too cowardly to approach. No approach--no rejection. They have very little idea of sexual rejection for the reason they aren't "approachers". Look through your own comments earlier. Do you think this is how it works? Just because someone isn't an approacher, doesn't mean they don't face rejection. When many girl likes a guy, they try to show hints that they like them rather than actually approaching, but they can still be rejected in their flirting or other ways of co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 06:01 PM |
| 1 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldblues might say Pareto doesn't apply to the smp at all Well most of us would require actual well done research proving it applies. I am guessing you have some since you are so sure it does | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 10:09 AM |
| 1 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldHow it applies to the sexual marketplace is easily misinterpreted/misunderstood by reds and blues alike. Well how is it misinterpreted then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 09:24 AM |
| 2 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldI mean that is a great anecdotal story, and I believe you 100%, but most all of the research suggests otherwise against the 80/20 rule. Justin Bieber is also in a very different situation than 99.999% of men in the world, so I wouldn't say he is a good example of the norm. Also Justin Bieber does not have a great relationship track record, so I wouldn't say his life is something to envy or look up to. The but thing I don't like most about people spreading the 80/20 rule, is that people are sprea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 09:23 AM |
| 3 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldThe Pareto principal isn't the same as the RP claim though, and the Pareto principal isn't proven to be true for dating. The pareto principle was originally about taxes and economics. Most all of the research and statistics on dating suggest that the 80/20 rule does not apply for dating in the way that RP claims it does. Also, it is a big fallacy to believe that just because a theory is old that it must be true or based on truth. Flat Earth theory has been around for even longer. Doesn't mean th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 09:15 AM |
| 0 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldWell aren't incels basically extremist Red Pill basically? They both use the exact same bad research studies, spew the same things about the "nature of women", and other things. Just Incels take it to the next level of crazy amping up the misogynistic rhetoric to 11 and adding an even more negative slant to everything. And they think if they where the top 20% women will flock to them. Well they won't get into the top 20% with those attitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 08:38 AM |
| 2 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldWell the tinder study has been the one I see posted on here and RP most and was the thing that really got it going from what I saw. Maybe it is just the people I see on this site though. I have seen that one posted way more than the Okcupid one. I know about the Okcupid one, but that was just a data chart, and just stated that women seem to find men less attractive. I don't think that one stated that women actually go for only 20% of men. That study still has a lot of methodology issues though a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 08:34 AM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.What? this bot should know that saying "NEXT!" has been a joke for way longer than the internet has been around.... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 08:20 AM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.Your example is about a scenario both genders encounter, that's why they can relate. Firstly, I am going to make a correction with this statement. They don't relate because the scenario is the same, they relate due to the emotions behind the scenario. I will talk about the scenarios you presented then and show you how humans relate to each other. She in turn won't relate to me if I bitch about rejections for the same reason. Firstly I will talk about this one because this one is just plain dumb.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 08:14 AM |
| 5 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldMen don’t repeat it.... Just unsuccessful ones do haha Don’t lump all of us men with this loser lol! On a serious note though, I don’t get why a lot of the RP and incels love to cling to this 80/20 idea... maybe they just want to feel like everyone having a hard time so they feel better about their situation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 06:50 AM |
| 1 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldThe 80/20 rule is insanely reliable in real life. I would love to see any research articles that prove that. Most all psychological research on dating definitely doesn’t show that. Also did you even read my comment? I was educating you on where the myth of 80/20 came from. You know it isn’t real and no research supports it right? And I believe I do know more than you on the subject if you are willing to believe conspiracy theory level ideas | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 06:42 AM |
| 2 | CMV: As a male, it doesn't take major character flaws to struggle in the dating worldI have stated this on another post to another person, but I will state it to you as well to educate you. The 80/20 rule is not a real thing... The 80/20 myth that RP and many other manosphere groups like like to talk about comes from a crap study performed by an anonymous user posted on the Medium website. There were various issues with the methodology of his study and the study is basically as reliable as conspiracy theory research. Firstly the study sample size is only 27 women. This is not en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 06:35 AM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.Skipping the part where you were talking to yourself Well I was addressing you trying to move the goalposts in a losing argument, but apparently that flew over your head. men and women have many experiences that are different, and "different" means "not similar", just in case. “Different” doesn’t mean “unrelatable”, just in case you didn’t know that. So you are saying that people have to have the “exact” same circumstances to relate to someone else? That’s ridiculous. People can relate without g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/18 06:31 AM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.But you are defending the original poster. The OP claimed that people were wrong because they were women, and due to that they didn’t understand. You are defending his argument. The OP never said his dumb “your a woman comments” because he was saying they can’t relate to him. Stop trying to move the goalpost. And on the other topic you are talking about, people still can relate through empathy and similar experiences. You don’t need to go through the exact experience to relate to someone’s situa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 10:41 PM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.Men and women can relate to each other. Also the OP was just saying “you are a woman” just because people disagreed with him. If you look at the comments, he normally says it after being beat in an argument and wasn’t able to come up with an actual argument or reply. Funny enough, Most of the people he said that to were actually men. Also women can’t relate to men? Do you have female friends? Also does this also apply to men as well? A lot of RP man claim they know the mind of women, but accordi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 04:25 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: When you look at people who believe opposite to you, as far as gender/dating related issues are concerned, what are some things you could consider legitimate, or at least partially legitimate? How would you refine the idea to make it fit closer to your own reality?You are trying to move the goalposts. You are trying to claim that you are only talking about your personal experience, when you originally were not. You claimed things as fact even though you had no research backing it. So you did bring up things that required research to prove. Here were your quotes I was contesting: The controversy comes into play when you consider that women are more hypergamous. Here you stated that women were “more” hypergamous. Which is why I told you about the actual res… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 03:45 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: When you look at people who believe opposite to you, as far as gender/dating related issues are concerned, what are some things you could consider legitimate, or at least partially legitimate? How would you refine the idea to make it fit closer to your own reality?I am a 29 year old electrical engineer, so wrong on both fronts. Being an engineer doesn’t mean you have done research in any social field or know what good research is when it comes to social science research. But you still are old enough that you should know how important good research and measurements are. I only asked that because you seem to trust the most flimsy of research despite the inaccurate methods. Would you trust measurements from a ruler that has completely inaccurate measurement … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Why do fangirls display such hysterical excitement in front of their favourite celebrity?I get this. I am a New York Jets fan.... we are just excited to not be considered bottom 10 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 01:46 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: When you look at people who believe opposite to you, as far as gender/dating related issues are concerned, what are some things you could consider legitimate, or at least partially legitimate? How would you refine the idea to make it fit closer to your own reality?Dude, just try it out and honestly tell me it isn’t one sided. Dude, I am telling you that there are other circumstances that cause a like ratio other than hypergamy and “one-sidedness”. So doing this on tinder would not show me anything due to other circumstances. Since you are not getting this I will give examples. Men are more aggressive in dating, tend to send out more likes than females do on tinder, tinder has more male than female users, tinder is known for hookups and men are more quick … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 01:33 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There's nothing wrong with "riding the cock carousel"But it would take more than simply that for me to call off the relationship. I get that, but also n-count doesn’t sound like a dealbreaker for you to begin with when dating. Someone who sees a high n-count as a red flag in dating might have different feeling on how much that affects them, and I think that person would be valid in their opinions on that. Similar to how someone in a 10 year long internet relationship would be hurt if they found out the other person was catfishing with fake picture… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 01:15 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: When you look at people who believe opposite to you, as far as gender/dating related issues are concerned, what are some things you could consider legitimate, or at least partially legitimate? How would you refine the idea to make it fit closer to your own reality?Okcupid? I wasn’t talking about that one. I was talking about the tinder one (actually both tinder ones since the second one was even more atrocious than the first). Still a bad experiment with poor methodology either way. And about bad methodology studies still showing something? Crap methodology makes crap results. This is why researchers don’t take RP’s claims more seriously. You can’t trust research that literally breaks every rule of bad methodology. That is what conspiracy theorists do. In… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 01:00 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There's nothing wrong with "riding the cock carousel"Sorry to butt into your conversation, but it is an interesting one! As a guy, if a girl lied to me about her n count, and 10 years or so past, I would have an issue with that not because she “had extra sex partners”, but more because I would have lost a bit of trust in her. If she was willing to lie to me about something, it would make me curious what other things she might have lied to me about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/18 12:10 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: When you look at people who believe opposite to you, as far as gender/dating related issues are concerned, what are some things you could consider legitimate, or at least partially legitimate? How would you refine the idea to make it fit closer to your own reality?The controversy comes into play when you consider that women are more hypergamous. This isn’t true and the research doesn’t support that. Both genders are hypergamous and most hypergamy studies have inconsistent results. The consistent results show that women are more hypergamous when it comes to socioeconomic status and education but men are more hypergamous when it comes to attractiveness and age. But again the results are so inconsistent and the amount of hypergamic results are so low that it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 10:51 PM |
| 1 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.lol I know this is a joke, but I never said being a woman was an insult. He is basically just trying to say that "you don't understand because you are a woman". That insult/comeback is childish and ridiculous | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 07:12 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: When you look at people who believe opposite to you, as far as gender/dating related issues are concerned, what are some things you could consider legitimate, or at least partially legitimate? How would you refine the idea to make it fit closer to your own reality?Well, men don’t defend hypergamy. Mostly just RP and other manosphere groups do. And dating is much more complicated than the black and white thinking that hypergamy is. Using your example of hypergamy, dating is very complicated and can’t be explained away by one thing. Sure, forms of hypergamy have been shown to potentially exist but it isn’t close to as sure of a thing as groups claim. The studies on hypergamy are very inconsistent on how big that effect is in areas, what areas are and are no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 03:49 AM |
| 0 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.Do you try to pull the “your a woman” card on everyone here? Sounds like you don’t have an argument for you position and try to result to childish insults. So far I have seen you say that to multiple people who have turned out to be men haha | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 01:05 AM |
| 2 | If you want a good gauge of the SMP, try catfishing.You know he is a dude right? I like how you try to pull the “you don’t understand me” card, when you don’t know how to respond to his post | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 12:55 AM |
| 0 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmHere's the thing about people like you. You aren't trying to debate ideas. You are trying to debate people. This is an ad hominem and not something I take kindly to. Since when? My points were directly talking about your points. I said nothing about you... you were the one that came back with childish insults out of nowhere... seriously. I just talking about your points. Sorry if you took it personal Now your argument isn't very logical. You are arguing that a) men are the same When did I ever s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 06:52 PM |
| 2 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmYou are clearly either larping as a man or one of those low t, hyper blue, White Knight Wow. Really? Where did you get this idea? I just argued your point. This is a debate forum and you are pissed when I debate you? And instead of debating back, you just throw insults like a child? I do have to put up with your completely shit opinions nor explain the base material to you on PPD concepts. How are my opinions shit? I would argue your opinions are the ones based on stereotypes with no real world … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 06:23 PM |
| 2 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmI have no idea who you are and why you are talking to me. Well I was responding to your comment... People respond to people’s comments and talk to each other on here. Isn’t that the point of Internet forums? Especially with such utter shit. How is it “utter shit”? Just because you don’t like it? I'll chat to Penny, she's nice. Well I haven’t been mean to you, I was just talking about your points. Are you really that offended at my comment? Edit: and now you are just downvoting all my posts... al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 06:12 PM |
| 1 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmWell most of your argument is based on stereotypes about women rather than actual research or understanding about women. experimentation or trying to hold on to bad boy by acquiescing to certain demands I mean the good girl going after the bad boy trope is kind of old and mostly comes from movies. For every girl that goes after a “bad boy” there are probably 20 girls that date normal ass people. especially if she comes to him after a party phase. Do you think every woman goes through a “party ph… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 06:04 PM |
| 4 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmWell you are getting shouted down because the ideas that all women are conniving, dumb monsters that only use men for money, and that men that get laid are all dumb awful “chads” who just abuse women are pretty stupid opinions that seem a lot more like projection than anything else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 05:38 PM |
| 3 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmIf that was true, af/bb theory would be one specifically held by bottom tier men. It's not. Except it is only held by bottom tier men... the people that believe in af/bb crap are red pill, PUA, and other sexually frustrated groups. Well adjusted men don’t buy into that garbage. You will never hear normal people take the “alpha male” stuff close to as seriously as those groups do, mostly because well-adjusted men know that dating and relationships are much more complicated than the black and whit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 05:15 PM |
| 4 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmI don’t see how it is projection on her part though. I am guessing you feel it is projection because she said male fantasy in that point? And it is still a really good point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 05:04 PM |
| 6 | The anger behind the betabux paradigmThis is pretty much it. The whole AF/BB crap seems to be basically projection and extremely black and white thinking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Is It Relevant for Virgin Men to Discuss How Pill Theory Applies to Them?The problem is you're only talking about pill theory in a very limited sense which is generalising about women. I talk about their generalizations about women because that is a pretty big hinderance to being able to talk intelligently about relationships. They are half of the equation in heterosexual relationships, so having misinformation or lack of knowledge about that group really skews and hinders your knowledge of the overall topic. Most of the points you mentioned can completely be effecte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/18 12:22 AM |
| 1 | Is It Relevant for Virgin Men to Discuss How Pill Theory Applies to Them?Sex and relationships are not any different. Except relationships are still exponentially much more complicated than your “does the heat from fire hurt?” example. With your fire example, heat is really the only factor and that is easily measurable, where relationships involve countless factors, many which can’t be measured easily. I am not saying you can’t learn anything about relationships from not being in them, but if someone doesn’t have any relationships with the opposite sex, then their kn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/18 12:11 AM |
| 2 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxWho cares if this particular study is very accurate or only moderately accurate. When examining research you SHOULD care how accurate a study is! This study points to no accuracy at all and throws up a ton of red flags for anyone who has actually published research. Do you just believe everything you read without seeing how they reached the conclusions they claim? Its basic conclusions are supported elsewhere as well. I would love to see examples of accurate studies that support this. I have ask… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/18 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxIt sounds like your issue is that you have trouble achieving a LTR since most women see you as a hook up and nothing else. If you want help forming LTR’s I would first tell you to stop visiting RP sites or at least don’t take their advise for a bit and see how that helps. RP tends to be a lot of sexually frustrated men who have trouble with women giving other sexually frustrated men advise on women... it is basically “blind helping the blind”. Also RP has a lot of straight up wrong thoughts abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/18 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxI was just saying your comment makes no sense or doesn’t further the argument. I stated that the study isn’t a reality because this “research” is completely bunk and is about as credible as flat earth “research”. Also there is a lot of credible research by universities and other credible institutions that shows results that don’t reflect this. You state that it is reality because “some guys have trouble with certain types of women”. I mean if you want to claim this study is a reality, I was hopi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/18 12:59 AM |
| 2 | Is It Relevant for Virgin Men to Discuss How Pill Theory Applies to Them?The difference is fire will physically hurt you and has no benefit, where meaningful relationships with the opposite sex are very rewarding in many ways. The intricacies of relationships are also much much more complex than your “does fire hurt” example. This really isn’t a great example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 11:49 PM |
| 3 | Is It Relevant for Virgin Men to Discuss How Pill Theory Applies to Them?Making theory about a group of people without actual experience with that group leads to bad generalizations and in many cases very racist, sexist, or other wrong statements about a group. For example, white supremacist groups have a lot of “theories” about people of other races, and a lot of that is because they have little to no actual experience or relationships with people of other races. Similarly a lot of RP has some really sexist and unfounded “theories” about women. Though most of the pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 11:43 PM |
| 2 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxBut it isn’t. So your defense to my case that this research is bunk is that some guys are excluded from some girls? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxPredictable. Can't argue with the conclusions, just attack the validity of the source. You are kidding right? Conclusions mean nothing if the validity and accuracy of the actual study are garbage. If you have unreliable methodology, you have unreliable conclusions. Do you even research? Look, I understand what you're saying here, but how many peer-reviewed academic studies on tinder habits exist? Well there actually are a couple reliable journal articles that have looked at the subject and have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 09:17 PM |
| 1 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxI would love to see any. Please show me any. All I see are really bad “tinder studies” with terrible methodologies. Edit: even going through the many legitimate articles on tinder studies I have found, there is nothing that supports the conclusions of this person’s “study” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 09:04 PM |
| 4 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxYeah, I really wouldn’t trust most any RP studies since most all of them aren’t officially published studies and have some of the worst methodology. This causes the studies to have poor internal and external validity, and are not accurate at measuring what they claim to measure. Most all of the posted studies I have seen from RP are about as accurate as anti-vaccination and flat earth “research”. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of the community doesn’t know how to distinguish between bad and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 12:59 AM |
| 7 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxLuckily it isn’t reality. Notice how this study cites no sources, doesn’t show a methodology, and was posted on a non-academic website? It is a crap study that is about as trustworthy as anti-vaccination or flat earth studies This study and many others that RP loves to post are pretty crap studies not done by any universities or reliable academic journals. So don’t worry. This isn’t reality | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 12:48 AM |
| 9 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxProbably because it is a crap study not from any university or academic publisher with no sources or methods section. Edit: I got downvoted for noticing it doesn’t have a methods section or sources? Are people really angry that I pointed out two pretty big issues with the study? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 12:13 AM |
| 13 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxWell I would hardly call this a study... It has no methodology section, no sources cited, nowhere where it shows his sampling methods, and it doesn’t show the questions he specifically asked or the way he asked them or the scenario in which he asked them. There is a reason this isn’t an officially published study and was posted anonymously on one of the least academic sites. I don’t get why the RP community is so down to believe this study despite the many “red flags” this study poses. Have most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 12:11 AM |
| 10 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxThere is no need for damage control. If this is the best “study” (if it even could be called that) RP can come up with, then they don’t have much... I mean this study was posted by an anonymous person, has no methodology section, no where where it shows his sampling methods, and it doesn’t show the questions he specifically asked or the way he asked them or the scenario in which he asked them... Do you just believe any results section without looking at how it was made? Have you never done actua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 12:00 AM |
| 10 | Tinder Studies Part DeuxExcept this study was posted by an anonymous person, has no methodology section, no where where it shows his sampling methods, and it doesn’t show the questions he specifically asked or the way he asked them or the scenario in which he asked them... Does RP just trust every study without looking at how it was done? This “study” should be taken with a grain of salt. There is a reason this isn’t an officially published study by a university or academic journal and was posted anonymously on the gir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 11:50 PM |
| 1 | How can someone honestly know their true, current SMV?I wouldn’t use anything from that survey as a good measure for anything. That is one of the worst done studies I have seen in a long time. I don’t get why RP and the manosphere love it so much... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 12:24 AM |
| 5 | Are women on tinder uniquely stupid? Does this apply to everyone? is it a recent thing?r/iamverysmart | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/18 06:10 PM |
| 2 | How much of feminist/manospherian views are really just projections?There are a couple things wrong with your comment and a lot of misinformation on your part. If you’re out dating, and you’ve slept with a few guys whilst doing so, then that’s riding the cock carousel. I think this is largely something that everyone recognises takes place for most women (and men), very often in your first couple of years of college. Do women not date and sleep with men anymore ? And that’s your defensible one. It is true that RP are talking about the first years of normal colleg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/18 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Why I Am Beginning to Have More Sympathy for "Blue Pill"That is true, but most people don’t like to admit that they have bad social skills or humor. That or they don’t realize they are bad at social skills. I have heard many RP, incel, and other manosphere people state that they have good social skills, but when I ask them questions about their social and dating lives you can easily tell they are far from good with their social skills. I think the gym is easier for RPers to grasp because it is very physically easy to see whether you are fit or not. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/18 09:20 PM |
| 1 | What events pushed you toward the blue pill (or no pill) as an adult?He definitely isn’t with someone if he has an attitude like that. That attitude is why he has lost friends | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/18 12:40 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Well adios then. You chose that life and continue to choose it then. Peace. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/18 02:05 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?they say just doing your thing and being happy is how you attract people. Well your self-confidence issues definitely tell me you aren’t happy. Well I told you what you will need to do. You obviously need to work on your social skills and confidence issues and I gave you a way to do just that as well as make yourself more interesting and get diverse good diverse relationships. It is up to you to do it. If you want a relationship, then do the work. If not, then don’t complain cause at that point … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/18 01:57 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Alright, well if life is good as it is, then why worry about relationships? If your life is chill, than just live it out! If life is good, then why you feel you need a relationship? If you want a relationship, you need to put in work. If you don’t do that, then don’t expect a relationship. That easy. Don’t just complain and whine and act like the world isn’t fair if you aren’t willing to do anything for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/18 01:16 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?You don’t care about having friends or having more positive relationships with others? Is wallowing in misery and looking for a pity party any better? I mean do you want a relationship or not? Cause if you want a relationship, it will require work. If you don’t want to work for it, then don’t expect to get results. If you just want hand outs then maybe a romantic relationship isn’t for you. A relationship is hard work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/18 12:56 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Yeah, life is work. And I guarantee it will put you in a far better place than you are in now and raise your chances 10 fold if not more. At the best, you are successful and get what you want. At the worst, you have new social groups, friends, and a much more interesting and happy life. It is pretty much a win-win. And Did you really expect it to be a snap of a finger? It isn’t that easy. Issues like these don’t go away overnight. At this point it just sounds like you don’t want to do any work f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/18 12:34 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?How is it bullshit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/18 12:01 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Thanks man. That actually does help. Alright, well I did notice a couple things first when reading this. I won’t tell you to just “be more confident” since obviously people have told you that and maybe you don’t know ways to do that easily. Instead, I will give you things you can do to better yourself and your situation overall. I might ask some more clarifying questions to some of your responses though. Here I will just give you a starting point of things you can do and will comment on some of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 11:31 PM |
| 2 | When looks aren't an issue, what are some other common factors that may prevent men from having a successful dating/sex life ?Sure, not taking rejections personally means kind of the same thing as normalizing failure, but the key thing is the moving on and making those failures “successful failures”. While a lot of incels definitely catastrophize failures, There are a lot of incels that normalize failures and understand it is a part of life. The difference between what they do and what “normies” do is that “normies” learn and adapt from failure, while incels kind of wallow in pity. “Normies” (god that is a dumb term) m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 09:54 PM |
| 3 | When looks aren't an issue, what are some other common factors that may prevent men from having a successful dating/sex life ?And by going full normie you mean not taking rejections personally and moving on with your life like any other human being? I don’t see an issue with that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 07:52 PM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Yeah, I'm not sending my picture to an internet stranger. Understood, how about a picture of someone who looks like you? If you aren’t comfortable with that, then I would like to know why you think you are so ugly. I mean ugly people get into relationships every single day. I guarantee that people uglier than you also get into relationships. Most all incels I have been able to see seem to have body dysmorphia. I am also pretty sure it isn’t your ugliness hindering you because from just talking t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 06:53 PM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Here's the issue- how the fuck is it ever in my control? I could be Jesus, Ghandi, Jean Claude Van Damme, Ryan Gosling and Elvis rolled in to one and women would still deny me. Im none of those people and never could be. I'm an ugly piece of shit, and that's that. I mean if you are as hideous as you claim, I would challenge you to PM me a picture of yourself. Are you the elephant man? missing multiple limbs? You have Marfan syndrome? From the way you are describing yourself, you are trying to ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/18 08:59 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Well this is a debate forum. If you didn’t want people to debate your ideas or help you out, then maybe this isn’t the place for you. You're wrong I don’t get how I am wrong. You obviously have self confidence issues and seem to try to blame your dating failures on things you can control rather than taking responsibility and bettering your situation. I mean, if you just want to wallow in sadness, then by all means... but it won’t help you in the long run. Self confidence is a really big killer f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 06:39 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?And anyways, doesn't that show all relationships are bad, because everyone is lying in the beginning anyways? That is a ridiculously bad leap in logic... people aren’t lying in the beginning, but because of strong emotions at the beginning of relationships, people tend to overlook some of the things that might annoy them about the other person and overall act somewhat different due to heightened emotions. It is that initial emotional state that people get in a relationship. After a while both pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 05:17 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?My friend literally refuses to shake hands with anyone and won't let family touch her. I know what I'm talking about. I mean that is a cool story. But most everyone reverts back to their old personality after the honeymoon phase. Maybe he didn’t know he liked to be touchy until entering the relationship. Anyways, pointless conversation. Your going to tell me to work on myself and build confidence and suggest therapy yadda yadda. If that shit worked, this sub and all the related ones wouldn't exi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 04:51 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Well maybe your friend is actually touchy feely, but just doesn’t show it normally. Because I want to not be alone? It sounds like you need to understand that you don’t have to be in a relationship to “not be alone”. If I may ask (in order to get to understand you better) how many male and female friends are you close with? How old are you? And what do you normally like to do? And don't give me that crap about "well if it's not a quality relationship", because quality relationships are few and f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 04:18 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Only for the honeymoon part of dating people do that. People normally revert to their normal selves after the first couple months of a relationship. Then those things that only kind-of-annoyed you when you were friends with them become amplified. And it is much better to be alone than be in a forced or bad relationship. I think you are overpraising the idea of being in a relationship a bit. Why do you really want a relationship over being alone? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 04:00 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Well a lot of that can depend on how you handle the rejection or how you asked. Women won’t always think that. Also just a hint, but people don’t act that much differently when dating than when they are a friend. If you have issues with them as a friend, those problems will only be amplified when dating them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 03:39 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Friends aren’t a “no-go zone” necessarily, but it can feel awkward for the man if she rejects you. Especially don’t do it if she is not interested. I have to ask though. If she is a crap friend, why would you want to date her? Is it because she gets “attached to the hip” with the people she dates? I wouldn’t consider that a good reason for a relationship | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 03:15 AM |
| 1 | More Blue Pill Advice?Well then work on your status then. Increasing your social skills and not visiting incel or red pill pages would be a good start. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Question for Blue Pillers - Why do you care?Name checks out | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 02:07 AM |
| 1 | What % of women would outright reject a guy for being 5'6"?Maybe you are just going after the wrong women... that or you aren’t as charming or interesting as you think you are. There were many people 5’6” and lower that I have known and funny enough all of them are married and in great relationships. None of them had any issues dating attractive girls. Though they also were interesting and very funny people | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 01:57 AM |
| 1 | Question for Blue Pillers - Why do you care?Well I believe all three have ridiculous views that are based on pseudo-science, but I feel like groups like RP and Incels are much more harmful overall than a group like Flat Earth Advocates. (I left out anti-vaxxers because they also provoke similar responses in people and I do argue against them as well). In my opinion, the difference between flat earth advocates and Red Pill ideology is that Flat Earth Advocates don't really do much with their belief. They believe the Earth is flat and distr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/18 08:50 PM |
| 1 | Question for Blue Pillers - Why do you care?This is a fallacy... Mocking another group doesn't intrinsically make the mocker worse than the group they are mocking. For example, there are a lot of people/comedians/groups who mock SJW's who attack people's freedom or Alt Right people who are saying horribly racist things, but that doesn't make the people mocking them worse than the people they are mocking. Would you argue that Joe Rogan is a worse person than many SJWs who he mocks on a regular basis? Is mocking productive? Maybe not. Is mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/18 08:32 PM |
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