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except they're not getting "quality men" with the FDS strategy. That strategy attracts middle betas with few to no options, who eventually prove unattractive or unable to hold these women's interests. These women will end up divorce raping those men and turning them into TRPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 10:56 PM
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Yeah, and “that one thing” girls want is not “just wanna get married and be a wife and mommy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 08:06 PM
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Just a week ago we had women railing against the idea os MomsTeachSex(TM). “Mothers are not supposed to teach their sons how to be hot guys”. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 08:05 PM
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Booooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 07:40 PM
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Every single PPD woman would be in a mental institution if she was a guy. They couldn't handle being men. They couldn't handle not having their pussy passes. Things like rejection, accountability, responsibility - most women would lose their minds having to accept these aspects of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 10:02 PM
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---what’s this average amount that is equally fair to a man making 20k and a man making 1m? I mean really, I gotta hear what you think this “average” cost of raising a child is. Seriously, this isn't hard to figure out. Step 1: Determine the average cost per week or per month for food, shelter, clothing, and medical care for a child in the locality where the child lives. Or, maybe, cost of health insurance for that child. This can be easily done by determining the amount of food an average minor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:32 PM
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Most men would prefer their natural selves are attractive to women. Most men would prefer not having to become irresponsible assholes to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:22 PM
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Seriously... It's a good post, with a good point. That a lot of men should take to heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:20 PM
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That's just Poppy acting like she always wants to act. She should be grateful for this. I fully expect to see her saying all the things she desperately wants to say to men, especially red pill men, especially melanin-challenged men, but cannot say outside of a purge.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:14 PM
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she got boyfriends and a husband. Not just sex. Even this woman won. You all want marriage and commitment, right? Women, all women, can still get what they want. most men cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:11 PM
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I'll just respond with a photo. Efforts at measurement have failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:09 PM
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agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:06 PM
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Right! So spend profligately, fuck around, lie, deceive and manipulate women, incorporate some Dark Triad into your life, become an alcoholic/drug addict, and dress like a player. In other words... become Chad. Who is attractive to women. Who you women have sex with. Like Red Pill has been saying. You've just established a bit of truth with your attempted tongue in cheekness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:03 PM
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Heh. This is where you'll be tonight - flinging shit on PPD, like you usually do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:00 PM
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I am positing that it is reasonable for men to associate "girls traveling" with "girls jumping on foreign cock".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:56 PM
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---Very few TRP guys are saying only alphas get laid. That is mostly incel types. Most are saying alpha guys get the majority of the pussy. This. This entire misrepresentation Blues set out needs to die. This whole "TRP says Chad is the only guy who ever gets laid" and "TRP says 20% of men get 80% of the sex, and the bottom 80% of men are getting absolutely nothing" lies need to die right now. Let's correct it. Most men are getting some sex, sometimes. Most men can get a crappy girlfriend or a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 06:41 PM
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20% of men are having 80% of the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 06:33 PM
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What's your point? That the guy in the photo is attractive? Let's assume you're correct that this one man is attractive, or that the man who made this post is attractive (despite the fact that you have not said where it was posted). That doesn't establish that inceltears, niceguys, and r/thebluepill mock and deride men specifically for being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 06:23 PM
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Please. They're mocked because they're unattractive men, not because they insulted someone. Shit. People like you consider unattractive men's existence as an insult. People like you believe unattractive men are insulting you simply by their mere presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 06:17 PM
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Didn't see this coming. See you all in a couple of days. Happy New Year, everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 06:15 PM
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I dunno. I mean, one woman I dated told me she wore thong underwear because she did not like the way the elastic legbands in conventional panties or briefs felt around her inner thigh. Another told me she didn't like pantylines.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 06:12 PM
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Mockery, denigration, and derision are not "criticism". They're snarky, rude, cruel, and deliberately injurious. They're deployed for the sole purpose of inflicting insult, injury, and pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 06:09 PM
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I know. You said "just wanting to be a friend to someone". They don't want to be "friends" at all. They want that unattractive man to go away and leave them alone and never talk to them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:41 PM
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No. I've just listened to women on these boards and elsewhere for years relate their experiences. And I've also dated and had sex with these women, including women from other countries visiting and living here. Presumably for the experience of dating or having sex with an American man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:37 PM
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But they don't really want to be friends. They're expressing sexual disinterest. Everyone knows that "let's just be friends" is "I don't want to have sex with you because I'm not attracted to you".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:30 PM
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niceguys and r/thebluepill exist to mock men. A large contingent of those subreddits is women. They don't offer solutions. They exist to mock and make fun of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:28 PM
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---i didn't really hook up much when i was travelling a lot in college/early 20s. But you still hooked up some. And that's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:25 PM
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We don't presume women go on holidays for the sole, express purpose of finding hot foreign guys to fuck. We presume, correctly, that women traveling and going on holidays will almost always involve fucking hot foreign guys as a side detour and frolic. Fucking hot foreign guys isn't the main reason for the holiday. It's just part of your fun. Most women don't set out to find guys for fucking. They just can find hot guys for fucking because they're women, and men will always fuck willing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:22 PM
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But you also want to have fun. And as women tell us, part of "having fun" is, on occasion, finding hot guys to have fun sex with. It's not unreasonable to presume that some of women "having fun" on vacation is finding hot guys to have fun, NSA, "it doesn't count in my N cuz no one else will ever know about it" sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:07 PM
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Women all over this board say that men being "emotionally vulnerable" and "emotionally available" (same thing) are sexually attractive and are traits women want in men. Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:00 PM
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Even just his mentioning that he has these problems causes women to recoil, cringe, grimace, and start looking for his replacement. At the very least, it causes her to lose attraction. Even just his mentioning this, or showing evidence of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:59 PM
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I'm responding to your baseless claim that "lots of men" get women's attention. It's not "lots". about 30% of men getting women's attention is not "lots". It's "some". It's "a few".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:57 PM
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It's not "women go to place X for foreign cock". It's "women go to place X, and as part of their fun/recreation, they pick out one or more foreign cocks to have some fun with". As Poppy did. Women travel, women live, women exist, women get cock.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:57 PM
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LOL: 30% of men is not "lots of men".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:55 PM
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She's claiming that only perpetually insecure men associate "girls traveling" with "girls jumping on foreign cock". She jumped on a foreign cock for a few weeks while in London. The point is: Men are not wrong to associate "girls traveling" with "girls jumping on foreign cock". Men are not "perpetually insecure" to associate "girls traveling" or "girls living abroad" with "girls jumping on foreign cock".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:34 PM
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No. To women, a man showing negative emotions is whining. A man showing negative emotions, and whining, are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:29 PM
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Then stop telling men that they should reveal their anxiety, depression or self esteem issues to the women they're in relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:27 PM
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And women should stop telling men that emotional vulnerability is sexually attractive. This is something women disproportionately lie about and then wonder why they lose attraction to these men or can't find attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:26 PM
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No. Men in the know do. Men who understand women do. You said yourself you had a well-endowed FWB when you lived in London. Here's your comment, copied verbatim: ---US born ---I’ve traveled to 27 countries in my life and lived in 3. ---Never had rando sex in any of them. I had a FWB when I lived in London with an Irish guy. ---Let’s just say he was spared the Irish curse...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:23 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:21 PM
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Lowest value. Or, at least, low value. Let's face it, TRP and FDS both are low value people. TRP started out as AFCs who could get interest but couldn't keep it going or screwed it up somehow, in the same way, every time. And divorced guys, or guys whose marriages have gone into failure. Not the lowest value, but certainly not SMP/RMP winners. Now, TRP is mostly incels. MGTOW/MSTOW is the fastest growing segment of the manosphere. Incels and MSTOWs, are the men those who denigrate the sphere are…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:17 PM
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Theres. no wage gap. There’s an earnings gap. Mostly because most women don’t work as hard or for as many years as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:54 PM
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Work on your reading comprehension. No. I’m not going to do your homework for you. Youve been here long enough to see it. These are completely idiotic posts. “Prove x “. I could come here with 25 examples and it will never be enough. You’ve already reached the desired conclusion. No amount of evidence would ever satisfy you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:49 PM
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You need to work on reading comprehension. I’m not talking about those subreddits where women say don’t expect women to Communicate directly. Women say RIGHT HERE ON PPD that they do not communicate directly. Read more carefully. Until you can show me you’ll read what I actually wrote, I’m not going to continue this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:45 PM
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No. YOU WOMEN tell us, right here on this subreddit , never ever to expect direct communication from you. If you know that sub Reddits like the blue pill and Inceltears mock men with words, why are you asking us to give you examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:38 PM
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Wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:18 PM
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And then when he does show emotions, she breaks up with him because he’s effeminate. When he does drop the tough guy act, she feels unsafe and breaks up with him. Women tell men to “man up” all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:18 PM
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Women don’t mock men with words or videos. Women are “indirect” communicators, remember? We are constantly told here never to expect direct verbal communication from women. Women mock and deride men with actions, eye rolls, facial expressions, stares, cringes, grimaces, bodily shrinking back, and gossip. Women mock and deride men through denying and refusing sex, controlling access to sex, withholding sex acts , refusing to perform sex acts on you that she hungrily performed on prior men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:10 PM
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Douches get laid all the time. Most girls are attracted to douchey behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 01:59 PM
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The only true “coercion” in this situation is physical force or threat of same. Everything else is “pressure”. If men didn’t apply pressure to varying degrees , none of us would ever get laid. Pressure can be as subtle as “train’s leaving the station, better get on, its now or never”. Or “if you will not do x I am leaving and divorcing you”. Or “ if you don’t want to fuck, that’s fine. I’ll go find a woman who does”. Or in a relationship, withdrawing attention and exerting tighter control over f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 01:51 PM
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Right there with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:15 AM
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He actually had a ducks ass ‘do? In like 1989 or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:48 AM
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“Atlas! Get me a tape measure! Isn’t it... big?”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:19 AM
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Picturing a real life Johnny Bravo. Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:12 AM
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I disagree With you. If what you say is true, why do we not hear about this in the media? That’s not because of the male ego, because the media is Unrelentingly hostile to men and their egos. The only way mothers ever lose custody of their children is by being horrifically unfit. They practically have to be incarcerated murderers and drug abusers to lose custody. About the only way that a woman can lose custody of her children is to be physically and practically unable to take care of her childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 04:46 PM
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Unless you are the ex husband in which case you owe your ex wife child support and alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 02:00 PM
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Yeah, no. Men can’t take women’s homes or kids. Courts won’t allow it. Child custody defaults to mom. If mom gets the kids (And she does more than 85% of the time), she needs money to take care of those kids. That money comes from ex-husband, in the form of “child support” with an alimony component built in. She also gets the house. Men can’t credibly accuse their wives of abuse. They’re laughed out of court, called pussies, etc. Most men don’t cheat on their wives, because they can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 01:34 PM
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This should be a stand-alone post. This has been explained time and again, to no avail.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 01:30 PM
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We were just trying to figure out what you meant. “Withholding” did not make sense in the context of your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 04:47 AM
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He meant upholding, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 03:29 AM
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Yes. Single moms come from UC and MC too. Which is why lack of money isn’t the issue. Girls fucking who they want is part of the issue with moms of bastards. It’s irrelevant that some men don’t like it or that some men aren’t getting in on that action. The post was about single motherhood, not your usual I hate men/I hate TRP hobbyhorse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 03:14 AM
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Single motherhood is not a consequence of poverty. It’s a consequence of girls being allowed to fuck whomever they want, when they want. It’s a consequence of women making idiotic decisions and men and government saving them from the adverse results. Lack of money has fuckall to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 03:02 AM
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Just about every woman who is sexually active has had casual sex. You seem to think “casual sex” is limited to bar sluts going home with a different guy every Friday and Saturday and who are racking up three digit partner counts. No. Any woman who has had sex with a man , NSA, without getting any commitment from him, has had casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 02:48 AM
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If casual sex is not fun, why are so many women having casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 02:38 AM
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Can be. If she likes sex that much with you, she liked it that much with a lot of other guys before you. Eventually you’ll be unable to satisfy her. Natural attraction reduction over years adds to the effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 02:29 AM
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In addition, men have catalogued and collated female dating and sexual behavior, and talk about it on the internet with each other. The latter part is new. Men couldn’t discuss this with other similarly situated men anonymously before. They can now. They can also exchange that information much faster and in more detail than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 02:11 AM
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Feminism created TRP/manosphere. Looks like TRP will get the blame for creating FDS. Feminists created the entire mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 02:05 AM
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Obvious gotcha post is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 08:41 PM
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The ability to get casual sex means you’re an attractive man. You aren’t desperate. You have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 08:24 PM
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Excellent advice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 02:55 PM
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At least you get to eat. Most men subsist on water and gruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 05:03 AM
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What actually happens: They get much much less attention. They are required to take responsibility. They are required to generate value through action, performance, and results. They learn what sexual rejection is like. They must undergo therapy because of the social isolation, performance pressures, and repeated social and sexual rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 12:14 AM
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Norah Vincent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 12:05 AM
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Nope. If you find out you're an unwitting sidepiece and you don't want to be that, end it, cut ties with the guy, and don't tell the guy's wife/GF. Just get out of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 10:48 PM
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how old is your ex husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 08:49 PM
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---men who act like women when theyre supported which is what happens to most men who are supported financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 08:42 PM
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No. Most men are happy to have a woman in general because that's how they get laid. It's less about social validation and admiration, and more about getting laid on the regular.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 08:39 PM
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Tomassi is a smart dude. He's just a terrible writer who takes 100 words to say what most can say in 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 06:59 PM
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Because the famed OKCupid study showed women were attracted to around 20% of men. Because that lines up with both TRP conventional wisdom and what most men observe, which is that women are all gravitating to the most attractive men. That's around the top fifth. Because that top 20% number has been roughly corroborated by other studies. Don't ask me which one(s), I can't recall. But there are some that indicate most women are attracted to roughly 10% to 35% of men, and the rest are invisible and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 06:52 PM
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Not 50%. There was one study I remember seeing summarized, with a very small population sample, that indicated 30%. That seems really high. Most researchers found and believed up to now the extra pair paternity rate was anywhere from 3% to 10%. The real rate is probably single digits. It's easy to find out now with very easy paternity testing available in the US. Get it while you still can.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 06:48 PM
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Male. No, I was never a househusband and wouldn't ever be. I guess it's fine for a couple to decide willingly that the man should take care of the kids. The problem is that women lose attraction for husbands they support financially. So this isn't a long term solution if the goal is to keep the marriage together.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 06:40 PM
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He tells them to raise their standards above short term relationships with fuckboys and players. Most women's problem is that they want Chad to commit. He won't commit, and most women aren't valuable enough to get commitment from the very few hot guys who do commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 06:38 PM
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Yeah, I guess so. Because most women settle when they marry. The only question is how far and how deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 06:20 PM
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Which part? It's good for getting a relationship and marriage? Or the "let men approach them and select from the men approaching them" part?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 05:47 PM
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Yes, and yes. I don't know anyone who hasn't stood someone else up. I don't know anyone who hasn't been stood up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 05:09 PM
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But your point was that sexual attractiveness isn't important to an LTR or marriage. I disagree with that, because, yes, it is important to LTRs and marriage. If you're unattractive, it's harder for you to get someone for an LTR, keep her, and then sustain that over the long term. In fact, more and more men are finding themselves unable to do it, because they're unattractive. Yes, your attractiveness can wax and wane. Yes, you're not as attractive 20 years in as you were at the start. But you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 05:05 PM
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Pretty much every female media personality gives bad advice to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:51 PM
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Men need to be sexually attractive for LTRs and marriage, because if they aren't, the relationship will not last and will become intolerable for both. Yes, women will marry unattractive men just to get married. And they usually end up divorced, miserable, or cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:46 PM
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what bad advice does Steve Harvey give women? He tells them to improve their physical appearance, reduce their 463 bullet point checklists to something more manageable, stop being unreasonable, stop expecting to attract fuckboys and players for long term relationships, stop thinking you're going to change men, stop being bitches, be nice to men, let men approach them and select from the men approaching them. This isn't good advice for men at all. It is good advice for women seeking relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:35 PM
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This is also part of the necessary strategy for men who want LTRs and marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:30 PM
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When you get to LTRs and marriage, it's a stretch to say men "don't give a shit about age". Most men when they get to the idea of exclusivity and commitment, age plays a role. Depending on their own ages and stations in life, a lot of men want kids, or at least are open to kids. So they want a woman who is of childbearing age. And most men want a woman who is close to their own age, because you have a lot more in common with each other when your ages are within 5 years of each other. It's differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:18 PM
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Yes. It means she has to be very sexually attracted to you from the first moment she met you. Sexual attraction has to be there from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:13 PM
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---Do I really want to be with a woman that settled. That might definitely explains all the divorce in the West. Fixed it for you. Settling, and the fact that marriage is easy to get out of. Those two things explain divorce in the West. It's by design.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:10 PM
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---"be valuable" to women in ways you can control. Like losing weight, dressing better, and improving physical appearance and social acumen. In other words, being sexually attractive. These are also things he can control. He won't be attractive to most women. But then, he doesn't need to be. He can enlarge the number of women he can be sexually attractive to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:07 PM
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I would like to ask women when and whether they even recognize they’re being daygamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/19 07:42 PM
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I think this used to be true. I don't think it is anymore. Women's standards have been heightened to ridiculous levels. Most men can't meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 08:50 PM
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no i don't want incels to be isolated or killed off. I'm observing a couple of reasons why the incel phenomenon is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 08:48 PM
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I can. Most women can't. They think they can, but they can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 06:36 PM
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Everyone tells women what they need to do to attract men. Everyone tells women to be pretty, keep their weight down, do their hair, put makeup on , dress well, don't be a bitch. Everyone shows women how to do all these things. No one tells men or shows them to get good at something, learn a life skill or trade, be interesting, fun and social, get out there and socialize, dress well, and get in shape. No one tells men that size matters, looks matter a hell of a lot, and that being attractive does…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:58 PM
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They have to be coached and told to do it. Most men don't come out of the womb knowing how to dress well and be social and fun and interesting. They have to learn how.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:49 PM
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Where did he or any man say they are owed sex? Where does this come from , this idea that men are saying they're owed sex? Can someone show me a post where men are saying they're owed sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:48 PM
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guys ask because they want to know, it's an ego boost, and they want to be the best fuck their women had. Guys ask because we know size matters despite what women say about that. Also, it's because this sex talk stuff just comes up. Women I date just start talking about it over drinks, after sex, pillow talk, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:39 PM
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That was fine when incels were 5 to 10% of the population and most of them were shunted off to monasteries, put in low level jobs, killed in wars, or died from disease, work injuries, or malnutrition. That was fine when incels were isolated from each other and didn't know of each other's existence. The problem is that incels are not getting killed off or isolated, and they talk to each other on the internet. They're figuring out the game and how they're being played.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:36 PM
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Maybe about 50% representative. The women of PPD are older, wealthier, and more educated than the average woman who doesn't post on Reddit. The men of PPD run the gamut from working class kids to educated six figure earners. The people of PPD spend a lot of time thinking about and debating sexual dynamics from a Red Pill perspective. What happens here much more often is that things being discussed in the real world are explained here with a clarity and precision you won't find anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:23 PM
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Neither is the hypothetical guy I wrote about. He's just being honest. Thoughtless and kind of unempathetic, but honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 04:20 PM
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Except, you told the man you loved that he had a small dick and sucked in bed. He can't fix the first and it's very difficult to fix the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 04:14 PM
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You utterly destroyed him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 04:13 PM
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Think of the man you love telling you your pussy smells rancid, that dress indeed makes your ass look fat because you are fat, and that you're a real bitch. That's essentially what you told him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 04:10 PM
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It wasn’t intended to be a savage burn. It was just an observation
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 03:58 PM
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You... you actually told him that? You actually said that to his face??
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 02:29 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 02:15 PM
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Oh yeah that dude. Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 02:14 PM
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Then stop responding to it sexually. Stop rewarding with sex the men who use those tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 02:07 PM
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Slow clap
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 02:05 PM
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OP’s post, distilled to essentials: “I hate men.” OP, just get it over with and say you hate men. Just out with it already.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 01:57 PM
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Their feminine nature. They’re light hearted and find the good in most things. The comfort she can offer after a shitty day at work. The small of her back. Those dimples above their asses. The curve from waist to hip that’s accentuated when she lies on her side on a bed. And tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 01:48 PM
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Robert Davi fits the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 01:45 PM
1

That’s the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 01:26 PM
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Cheating isn’t the side piece’s fault at all. Its not the job of persons outside the marriage to make sure a party to a marriage is faithful to the vows they took. The only people who are responsible for making sure vows in a marriage are kept are the people who took those vows. No one else. Third parties aren’t responsible to the people in that marriage to make sure that marriage remains intact.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 01:18 PM
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You threatened to report me a couple days ago. This isn’t being asked in good faith. You’ll just call me names.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 02:09 AM
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You’re trolling me. You aren’t asking in good faith. You’ll just call me names and bait me, then falsely accuse me of trolling and putting words in your mouth. Then you’ll report me for imagined rules violations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 01:50 AM
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Not taking that bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 01:26 AM
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Nice try. I'm not an incel. Funny how "incel" is the new "creep" or "racist". If you want to discredit a man on a "pill" sub, call him an incel, even if he's not an incel... I'm not going anywhere, so I'll keep debating you and engaging you directly when I want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 12:28 AM
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That's kind of the point. They want those men to just go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 12:08 AM
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I'm not, but OK. You can have the last word. I'm not interested in continuing this further.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 12:01 AM
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You're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 11:03 PM
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It does not. It does not require communicating emotions at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 10:56 PM
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Yes, I repeated the traits. You're incorrect that charisma requires communicating emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 10:33 PM
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---What do feminists, BluePill, and PinkPill girls expect from average and unattractive men w/r/t sexual urges? They want those men not to express those sexual urges and to keep those urges to themselves. They want those men not to approach women sexually. They want those men to keep to themselves and not try to act like sexual beings. ---Why is there this seemingly visceral hatred towards guys who, consciously or otherwise, know there is a good chance they will never be loved by a woman? Becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 10:27 PM
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I disagree. Those traits do not require communicating emotions. They require projecting confidence, dominance, power, and presence. Those aren't emotional. My life experiences are opposite of yours. I can't tell you how many times women have made fun of, rejected, and ignored men who were clearly showing emotions. Men don't get written off for hiding emotional depth. They get written off for displaying that emotional depth. Because women don't care about it. Look, you're never going to convince …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 10:18 PM
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I have to agree. The point is amplified when you consider PPD women are a niche group and not really representative of the average American woman. They're more educated, more articulate, and wealthier than the average American woman. There's a sizable contingent who are quite young but there are a lot of women in middle age with a wide variety of relationship experience. They spend a lot of time thinking about, reading about, talking about, and debating, sexual dynamics. And yet, they still demo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 10:06 PM
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Charisma does not require outward displays of emotion. It requires outward displays of confidence, dominance, affability, approachability, control, and (i know people hate this word ) frame. None of those things are emotions or feelings. Those things are traits, behaviors, and states of being. They are not feelings. Women's loving men has nothing to do with men's "emotional depth". A woman does not love a man because of his emotional depth. She will love a man who has emotional depth, not becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 09:25 PM
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I disagree. He should not be outwardly emotional at all. There is plenty wrong with encouraging emotional behavior. Nothing dries a vagina like a histrionic, hyperemotional man who is inappropriately euphoric, depressed, angry, or despairing. Histrionics and hyperemotionality are quintessentially feminine traits. Women don't want to have sex with feminized men. They want to have sex with masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 08:46 PM
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So is that the only time they've encouraged him to be feminized? I am extrapolating from this also: ---He is the emotional and sensitive one and we don’t discourage that in him. I love that he’s perfectly fine with showing emotion; I’m not sure what he sees at school, but WE encourage him. That's the wrong thing to do. The right thing to do is get him to control his emotions and be less emotionally sensitive. At the very least, he should be encouraged not to express emotions however he wants, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 07:10 PM
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Yes. I can't see how this is even an issue. ---Like they say you just have to be not fat. Right. Just don't be fat. That's half the battle right there. ---Is that just desperate guys saying that or is that actually true? Desperate guys do say that, but it is true. All you have to be is not fat. ---It seems like a very low standard considering a girl could be skinny but have a boyish figure and unattractive face. Men's standards are quite a bit lower than women's standards. Yes, a girl could have…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 07:02 PM
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Obvious "gotcha" post is obvious. EDIT: a better way to ask this might be "It's saturday afternoon and the smoke detector is beeping because the batteries are low, and your wife or girlfriend asks you to change them because the beeping is driving her crazy. How do you respond?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 06:59 PM
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Women have never not worked in all of human history. Women worked in sweatshops, as seamstresses and launderers and assembly line workers doing fine motor work and maids and "the help". No one ever forced women into marriage. Women who didn't want to marry, didn't marry. They lived on their own or with relatives. Yes, women who didn't marry usually lived low status spinster lives bordering on poverty, but that was their choice and no one forced them into it. Most women did marry, but women who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 06:53 PM
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I made my points in response to someone else. ---This indicates that Men still notice high quality women, want them, and act on it far more than women act on hypergamy. LOL no. Right now the stats are men and women are cheating at roughly equal rates, and that's if you believe the stats. Men are more likely to remarry following divorce, but it's not because they notice high quality women or act on it. It's because they're desperate for sex and marriage to a woman who's usually of lower quality t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:49 PM
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---Chalpha Portmanteau
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:40 PM
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The point is that "married women who have been left for something new and shiny" doesn't happen anywhere close to as often as women leaving men because they just don't want to fuck those men anymore. Also, it's a complete myth that men were leaving their wives en masse for "new and shiny", even before the sexual revolution. It happens even less often today. Even when men could leave their wives, most didn't, because they'd either have to pay alimony to them for the rest of their lives, or becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:35 PM
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He should not discuss his negative emotions with any woman, including his mom and sister, and especially not his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:16 PM
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Did you read the comment? I drew conclusions from the comment. I have to presume that the boy is emotional and feminine, and his family is encouraging that by getting him a toy vacuum. Probably not the only time something like that happened. Feminizing a sensitive emotional boy is just about the worst thing a family can do to him. It borders on abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:13 PM
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---Try telling that to all the married women who have been left for something new and shiny. Women leave men more often than men leave women. Even when men could leave their women and cheat on them, most men never did.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:09 PM
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It would be like me being obese and saying men are shallow and misogynistic — and enabled by evolution and a sexist society — for preferring fit women and I’m a victim of their shallowness. Which.... women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 04:00 PM
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The problem isn't his emotions. It's the manner in which the boy is being encouraged to express them. And it's the way he's being feminized.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:54 PM
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This. Most women 150 years ago found husbands and didn't work. It was not because no one would let them work. It was because nearly all women realized that having some average guy's babies and taking care of some average guy's house beat the hell out of risking getting maimed or killed at a job. Did men also insist on that? Yes. Because eggs are expensive and sperm is so free most of it can't be given away, and because we need every womb we can get incubating babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:26 PM
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Sure. Whether women become single mothers is up to them. Men want the sex. If that results in an unplanned pregnancy, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 09:25 PM
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wasnt there a post about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 08:48 PM
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Maybe. But it's realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 08:46 PM
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Women say this all the time. "Looks don't matter".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:30 PM
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Darn....
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:26 PM
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That's not disagreement. That's denial and telling guys "no, what you're saying happened didn't happen."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:24 PM
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Women. Women lie about caring about looks. I totally understand why they lie about it. They have their reasons, some of them good ones that serve their interests. That doesn't obviate the fact that women still lie about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:23 PM
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The point is that maybe you aren't making the argument, but others aligned with you do make that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:22 PM
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---So what exactly is your beef here? That some women care about looks? How can they not? You care about looks, don’t you? It's not that some, or all women care about looks. Men's beef about this is that they lie about it. ---It is absolutely true that many, many women do not. Or rather, it’s a much lower priority than personality/charm/humor/confidence/musical talent/etc. The first sentence is absolutely 100% false. The second is more or less true. ---Boston, MA has a higher split of single wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:20 PM
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Strawman? OK. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:13 PM
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Well, slightly different, OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:10 PM
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No. This is gaslighting: You're lying, that is not what happened to you. I wasn't there, I didn't see it, but I know that's not what happened to you because reasons. There's no massive disinformation campaign, that's not what media says, it didn't happen to all men therefore it didn't happen to you, OK OK I admit it women do lie to you but that's only because we're afraid you will beat us up for telling you the truth. Edit: This is also gaslighting: ---Why should women stray from their nature? W…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:08 PM
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---if someone is directly saying to someone "you're a big fat liar" That happens all the time here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:04 PM
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Forget it. They are never going to understand this. Not in a million billion years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:01 PM
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Really? Because there's a lot of women on this subreddit who would disagree with you that it's parents job to teach their sons anything at all about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 09:51 PM
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---No one told men being a Good Boy would make him the alpha stud. Strawman. No boy expected this. Boys expected only that parents not fuck it up. Not that parents will teach them pickup.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 09:49 PM
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---I don’t believe, I know. I disagree. ---In some ways they literally teach him how to be interesting to women. Moms don’t want their sons to be chumps. They don’t want them to be stolen away by some witchy daughter in law. They don’t want them to be massive players but they absolutely don’t want them to be soy boy beta cucks. So you believe women are teaching their sons to be sexually attractive men? ---I do not believe that the majority of boys were taken aside by trusted adults, dads moms wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 09:38 PM
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So, you believe men weren't lied to. Men just think they were lied to, according to you. You don't actually know what they were told. You're speculating about this. ---See how guys are losing their minds hamstering about how FDS, which is just repackaged old get a husband advice, will never work and the women who follow it will die alone with cats. This advice does work very well to get husbands for the women who use it. It's just that these women don't want the men it attracts: unattractive men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 09:20 PM
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But lots of people are pissed about the existence of TRP and the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 09:08 PM
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---Men make up in their heads that “society” told them women love Good Boys. Which is false, no one said that Why do you think men are lying about this? Do you not believe men when they say they were told this? Were you present during these men's childhoods and saw how they were raised and heard what was told to them? ---But when women unequivocally get directly lied to for sex, by men, Women are told as young girls that men lie about everything. Women are educated from puberty that men lie to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 08:57 PM
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No, I would not date an ex lesbian. I would react by immediately breaking up with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 08:10 PM
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I don't sympathize one bit with FDS girls. I can empathize, though. Most FDS girls are there because they got fucked over and used. They got with players and douches who used and abused them. I have no pity for them - they mostly brought their predicaments upon themselves and wouldn't or didn't see the flashing neon red lights all around them - but I can see where they're coming from. They didn't get what they want, and it's everyone else's fault because men are mean jerks who won't give these g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 06:28 PM
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---Reason and compassion are ignored. I've been reminded that this is a debate subreddit. Thus, as I'm told, compassion (or empathy) has no place here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 05:50 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 05:39 PM
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No. You tell it like you think it is. You have your biases just like everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 04:19 PM
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Can you link to comments or examples of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 04:16 PM
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Nice scare quotes. Why should I try to find such examples when you've already decided you don't believe it and won't accept it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 04:12 PM
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I see women saying things like "I really truly don't get it, I don't understand why you have had such a problem with this, just suck it up and deal, you're such pussies, WTF is your problem, you're a loser because you didn't belong and didn't fit in and therefore you suck and will always suck" and other such things. Edit: Can you link me to examples of where men are actually saying things like "should be tied up on rape farms"? I've seen the "shouldn't vote, shouldn't be educated" bits. Maybe so…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 04:11 PM
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Gato malo! Feline Thug Life
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:53 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:44 PM
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Oh, well, yeah, if she's a plate. If you have any kind of relationship with her, then, you'll deal with her family regardless of your fortress-style boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:18 PM
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That's just not reality. You can have boundaries if you want. You still have to deal with family, even if you're not around them. You have to deal with her family because you deal with her and she has to deal with her family.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:02 PM
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Disagree. What's going on with many women here is that they have always had sexual and social success, and cannot even try to understand intellectually what men go through, nor can they empathize even a little bit. They will never understand it, mostly because they can't bring themselves to try even a little to understand it. I don't mean sympathy, as so many women here try to strawman. Men here are not demanding that women feel sorry for them, feel badly for them, pity them, or even try to help…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:54 PM
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Good point. Most of the non-FDS women have no problem at all with FDS. They're silently cheering on and egging on the FDS misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:48 PM
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Yeah, and to FDS, TRP shows up and proves all the worst, most negative stereotypes of men absolutely right. It's all a matter of perspective. FDS girls got fucked over, pumped and dumped, and ghosted, one too many times. Just like the incelreds and brown ppl at TRP and MGTOW got fucked over and ignored or friendzoned or used for resources one too many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:45 PM
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Are you serious? Because it’s expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 10:39 PM
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OK. I'll let you have the last word. We're just going around in circles and this long ago stopped being productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 10:18 PM
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-- N>15. -- Treated for any kind of substance abuse problem at any time in the past. -- Currently treating for mental illness. -- Had any kind of sexually transmitted disease. -- Had an abortion. -- expensive hobbies, especially horses. Owns a horse or is an equestrienne.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 10:07 PM
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Not frivorcing. Divorcing a woman because she won't stop fucking around isn't frivorce. I've also never divorced anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 10:02 PM
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They were both idiots. OK, someone divorcing without talking it out first is wrong. Most of the time, women are the ones doing that. Men don't do that most of the time. Men account for initiating only about 25% of divorces. Most of the people frivorcing their spouses are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 09:58 PM
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So again - man always wrong, woman always right....?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:59 PM
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So, you're conceding your stance is the man is always in the wrong, and the woman is always in the right. You sidestepped the quoted material and responded with things that don't address it. If you have no substantive response, it's OK for you to just not say anything. Of course it's correct that she would be wrong to just serve divorce papers. That's not the point under discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:55 PM
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I'm not presuming she'll say that. Women always say that. Open marriages for them are great - they get all the dick they could want from men they want, while also getting all the financial support from husbands they don't want. It's a win win for them. Why should they give that up? My problem with your stance mainly is your assigning greater stupidity and moral culpability to the husband than to the wife. Your stance is "woman always good/smart/moral, man always evil/stupid/immoral". That's too …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:41 PM
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The Wall is when women stop being attractive to the men they're most attracted to. Age 30 is an artificial border. Some women hit the wall in their 20s. A few don't hit it until their early 50s. Most hit it between ages 28 and 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:35 PM
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What difference does that make? She's an idiot for telling her husband to fuck off after he tells her "let's close the marriage up". She's an idiot for saying "no, we're not closing it up, this is fucking great for me!". Women springing divorce lawyers on their husbands after this, no discussion, is pretty much SOP these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:24 PM
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No, she was just as much of an idiot as he was.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:19 PM
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So.... she wasn't a fucking idiot? Woman good = man bad? OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 08:10 PM
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---The feminists woud tell you : ---Women explore their sexuality, or are immature at young age. Then their tastes just evolve and they are genuinely attracted to new features (stability, family mind, ...) Not exactly. Women do all that, but their tastes don't evolve. As women age, their priorities change. Their tastes in men don't change, but their relational needs do. As they get older, they need commitment, and the only guys able to bring that are the beta bucks guys she's not all that into. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:59 PM
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Nope out of this right quick. That's not going to get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:55 PM
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Thanks for proving my point. So, she goes along with it and has a great time fucking other guys. But he's a fucking idiot? Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:55 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:54 PM
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It's more like "Alpha Bucks" (Chad) "Classic Alpha" (Jeremy Meeks) "Beta Buck" (Billy Beta, the mass of men) Alpha Bucks is Chad. He's the fratbro type. He's Otter, the Delta House president in "Animal House". He's "Stan", the football quarterback played by Ted McGinley in "Revenge of the Nerds". Don Draper is alpha bucks. He's the guy everyone likes, the guy the girls like to fuck, and the guy who goes on to become a law firm partner or a surgeon or an investment banker. He's a high earner. He'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:46 PM
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The point is he gets sex. Confident and ugly gets nothing. For sex, women select for physical appearance. For relationships, women select for behavior, but not even for the behaviors youre suggesting. They select for comfort traits like stability, predictability, reliability, honesty, loyalty, and "has a job".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:41 PM
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No. It would be different if he said something like, "OK. This shit happened. I'm in a bad place. Babe, I just need a few days to feel like this, then I'll regroup, figure out a plan to get out of this, and start working on that. I just need you to be there while I work my way out of it. Here's what I'm planning to do. Here's what I need from you. "
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:39 PM
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the point is he can ask all he wants. The wife will not do it. Even if she does do it she will never ever respect him ever again.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:36 PM
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BPD = Borderline personality disorder? Or bipolar disorder? Either way, you need to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:34 PM
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You said: It’s way more important for you to be able to look a woman in the eyes with confidence than to have a symmetrical face. That's not true. You can be as confident as all get out, but if you're ugly, you get nothing. If you're average, confidence won't offset it. Insecure, needy and physically attractive guys get picked for sex all the time. It's just that the girls figure out after the sex that he's insecure and needy. I disagree with you on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:28 PM
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---is it only a workable marriage when it is easy? Opening up a marriage is about the most difficult and hardest strain and stressor to put on a marriage. Most times there's no coming back from it when one party (usually the man) wants it closed and the other (usually the woman who's getting railed 7 ways from Sunday by a different guy every week) doesn't. ---Maybe he should try it and see what happens rather than just go for the lawyer straight up? Never works. ---I mean seriously are we going …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:25 PM
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Well put. Men do not hate women who have casual sex. Men do not hate women who refuse to have casual sex with them. Men don't like that women impose different rules on them than they do for the casual sex guys, and call those women out on it. That's not "hating" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:13 PM
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No. They are all below average. The woman is fat. The guy on the lower right is pudgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:11 PM
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It's very, very difficult to close up a marriage after it's been opened up. "asking their wife for monogamy again" - He might as well cut his own balls off and give them to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 07:03 PM
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---And generally speaking, Fuckaround Freddy with the phone full of other girls' nudes? He's not good boyfriend material. True. But he's not looking to be, and neither are most women when they get with Freddy. Girls who get with Freddy know what they're getting - a good time and fun NSA sex with a fuckbuddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 06:49 PM
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You can be an alpha bucks. Or a beta fucks. It's just that those two categories are very, very hard to calibrate. Most men fall in between pure alpha and pure beta. Most men have some of both traits. It's just that most men predominate toward beta, which is what causes lack of attraction, which in turn is the biggest problem most relationships have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 06:41 PM
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The best way to C your V is to isolate a part of it and identify it as the essence of your post. All you really need is this: ---Alpha men are the ones who have large amounts of sexual success, Beta men are the men who have some sexual success and Omegas have almost zero The rest is superfluous and not helpful to a discussion of this particular topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 06:24 PM
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Disagree based on experience and observation. I see women and who they pick for sex versus who they pick for relationships. They overwhelmingly select for sex based on physical appearance. They overwhelmingly select for relationships based on behaviors, specifically, lifestyle choices and outward interactions with others, especially women. Sure, the guy has to look you in the eye with confidence, but a confident ugly guy will not get selected for sex. She might pick him for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:12 PM
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Women select men for sex based on looks and genetic fitness. Women select men for relationships based on behavior. Dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:56 PM
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Some people have to learn things the hard way. I certainly did.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:50 PM
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What?? Trump's an investor, he's been really good at it, and he's made a lot of money doing it. He's also alpha because he's created and cultivated a persona based on alpha traits like his outward "IDGAF" stance on most things, saying and doing whatever he wants ("Grab em by the pussy"), collecting attractive women for his own purposes and then discarding them when he's done with them, cheating on those attractive women when he feels like it, and living a profligate, ostentatious and opulent lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:38 PM
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This is so typical of so many posts here. "I disagree with [X generally accepted principle of sexual dynamics] because I do not fit that profile, and I was able to get what I wanted despite X. Therefore, X is false, because it does not fit within my own singular personal experience." Exceptions don't negate the rule, they prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:29 PM
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Preselection.... Yeah, there are such women in every friend group. The queen bee. The slut. The hypersexualized woman with a lot of sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:26 PM
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You and Ridgway are both correct. Most women don't want to live with an alpha or be married to one. But they sure as shit like sex with alphas, because alphas deliver sexual energy and presence that betas just can't. Women like alphas, for sex, once every other week or so, or just when the itch needs scratching. For all other times, there are betas available to her 4 and 5 deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:17 PM
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I don't know if women are seeing only beta men, or having sex with only betas. From talking with women and from experience, most women I've met have at least at one time, had sex with at least one really attractive man who pushed all the right buttons. And, they've had a lot of mediocre sex with mediocre guys. Some of the sex with the mediocre guys was pretty good, but most of it was just OK. Edit: They see mostly betas and omegas. They have a lot of dating and sexual experience with betas and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:07 PM
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Pure speculation: Because it gives them a chance to experience sexual abundance where they otherwise wouldn't be able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 03:15 PM
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Yes, absolutely. Sexy lingerie is great. I don't know if you're an outlier, I agree that she's at her hottest in the buff. But lingerie is great because it makes her feel sexy and desired, and because I get to unwrap her like a gift.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 10:09 PM
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I know it's a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:52 PM
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That's what i figured... you wouldn't believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:28 PM
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Some women don't even need to like the guys they smash.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:24 PM
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I'm guessing anywhere from 25% to 50% do this give or take 10 points, maybe. I figured you'd refuse to believe this. You won't ever see studies on this because most women will never admit to this, or admit to doing this to a guy. It's just something that turns up in anecdotes from men who've been through relationships where women did this to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:19 PM
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The point is that this is not rare, as many people like to claim. It doesn't matter whether it's crappy childhoods or aging out or desperation. The point is that these damaged women are foisting themselves on men, and it's pretty shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 06:09 PM
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Happens all the time. There are millions of women like this. Most of them are women who get to be around 30 and are desperate to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 06:02 PM
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That really takes the cake. Ba-dump-TISH!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 05:41 PM
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OK. You'll just refuse to believe it, but here goes. Young woman, good looking, lots of sexual experience. Even worked as a stripper for a while. Becomes devout Christian. Dates and marries man who's "nice" to her. She routinely tells him "you were the only guy who ever treated me right". She makes clear "I married you because I wanted a father for the kids I wanted" and "I married you because you were nice to me". She was 25. He was 29. It was his second marriage, her first. He had been previou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 05:32 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 05:14 PM
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Wow you've got to be kidding me. Most everyone, including the courts and lawyers and judges, want them over with so they're off the books and don't have to be administered. Agree on everything you can agree on, and have a judge decide the rest so it's over and done with. I cannot understand why a state law would hold up agreements or court decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 05:13 PM
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Yes. Many, many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 05:09 PM
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Planet earth, where desperate women pick any guy who will have them because they need to get married and have at least one child. Does this happen to every woman around? No. But it happens enough that men are noticing it, reporting it, and talking about it at manosphere sites and elsewhere. You never see it because you're a woman. Even if you did this (not saying you did or have, but if you have), you'd never admit it, because that would mean admitting you were desperate and couldn't get a man y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 05:06 PM
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Men see it all the time. It happens to men all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 05:02 PM
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As I said, your experience is what it is, but it isn't the rule. Two anecdotes don't negate the experiences of thousands of other men who report more or less what I wrote. You think it isn't a reliable metric because of two data points. I believe it is because of thousands of near-identical data points. Let's agree to disagree. Have a great day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:48 PM
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This is a shitpost of the highest order. LOL "I have already decided you are shit. So come prove to me you aren't shit! Tell me why I should look down my nose at you and confer a blessing upon your miserable existences!" This post will very soon be removed or locked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:46 PM
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OK. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:39 PM
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---are you just waiting to tell men they suck? this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:39 PM
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Why should we explain our high value to you? You'll just find reasons to disagree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:33 PM
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No. We just don't care as much about whether you see us as valuable by your stated metrics. To put a finer point on it, you're defining men's value by what men bring to women's lives, and men don't care about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:31 PM
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You've missed the point. Carry on then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:28 PM
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You're not reading what I'm writing. ---It is a reliable metric, because it happens all the time. The incidence of its occurrence is what makes it reliable. Your singular experience doesn't help, because if I take 100 women, with about 65 of them, if I line up all their exes, I'll see a lot of similarities. The fact that this did not happen with you does not mean that this doesn't happen "all the time" or that it occurs a lot with other women. Because it does. Too many men are reporting this for…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:20 PM
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What do you mean by "female imperative"? Rollo's definition of "the feminine imperative"? Whatever "benefits" a woman? I don't believe masculinity per se caters to women or the feminine imperative. The benefit to women is a byproduct, but not the end goal. Men who reject asking women out, initiating, etc. do so for a variety of reasons, all of which have been well thought out and discussed here and everywhere. They all boil down to either ---history of failure, or ---the man's individual decisio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:18 PM
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I'm not taking offense at anything. Disagreement with you is not "taking offense". It is a reliable metric, because it happens all the time. The incidence of its occurrence is what makes it reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:09 PM
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Interesting. I always thought women thought emotional cheating was worse because the man is diverting time and resources from her to another woman. She primarily values the man for his resources, not his sexual prowess or attractiveness. She doesn't care if he's fucking some other woman. She cares that she gets and keeps his money, so she can use it for her support and that of her children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:08 PM
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---Women are sincerely attracted to the men that they fuck and get into relationships with.. at the start. Might be a general rule, but a significant amount of the time, maybe a minority but still significant, women are desperate and get into relationships with men who they aren't attracted to. You also have to define "attracted" - do we mean sexually, or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:01 PM
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---you are very different from her prior boyfriends and sex partners. ---she had a lot of one night stands in her prior history, but makes you wait for sex. ---she had sex very soon with other boyfriends and FWBs, but makes you wait for sex. ---she has a history of FWBs and fuckbuddies, but demands commitment and exclusivity before sex with you. ---insists on being the dominant partner in the relationship. Insists on calling the shots and making all sexual decisions. ---refuses sex acts (especia…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:50 PM
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I mean that what I said is something men routinely talk about here, noticing that women pick one type for sex and another, less attractive type for relationships. It's common enough that it's being noticed. It's not just my personal experiences. You're trying to say this doesn't happen often. I'm telling you this happens all the time, much more often than you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:37 PM
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Your own personal experience doesn't rule the day here. R-R's post is something I've seen numerous times, and so have a lot of men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:21 PM
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Because most women would rather be married to a "meh" guy than be unmarried and living with cats. We know this because in real life this is what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:20 PM
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Happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:18 PM
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Have to agree with all. ---also, with that ex, if she continually talks about that ex and how horrible that ex was. Which means, you're so nice to her and he was so awful to her. Which in turn means, she's with you for stability, maturity and predictability, not attraction. ---she won't do sexual things with you that she did with others multiple times in the past, because "I just don't like that anymore" or "I'm not a slut and I don't do things like that anymore". ---she complains about the sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:15 PM
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Your disagreement with it doesn’t mean it fails as a metaphor. I’ll stay right here and debate you on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 10:43 PM
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--Partner A: let's take a trip to the beach. I really love the beach. --Partner B: I don't really like the beach. --Partner A: Why not? Maybe if we go you will like it! --Partner B: No, it's not that. I used to go all the time with my exes. They loved the beach too. I hated it. But I still went with them. *facepalm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 07:48 PM
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There needs to be an automod comment so people can circlejerk about circlejerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 07:45 PM
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Good point. Though I don't know why anyone would agree to pay more than the statutory amounts for child support. Maybe to avoid disputes about it later, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 07:40 PM
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The only men who will put up with this are low value, low- to no-option men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 07:17 PM
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Usually not. But you can include a "no alimony/no spousal support" provision and it's usually upheld.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 07:16 PM
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---Now prenups dont cover assets accumulated during marriage. Depends on the state, but in most cases, yes, prenups can cover assets accumulated during marriage. A prenup can include provisions for division of marital property. You can agree on pretty much anything except for child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 06:33 PM
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OK. It's fine for women to have standards. No man expects women to not have standards. No man expects to have anything handed to him. The problem arises when women's standards are unreasonable and when they demand men hand them free food, free drinks, free entertainment, and then demand men jump through hoop after hoop for nothing. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 06:26 PM
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Since when are women giving men human personal hygiene advice? And why are women taking it on themselves to do that? Most of what comes from women, and FDS, is "do what we demand of you, jump through all our hoops, and we might let you talk to us for an hour over surf and turf that you paid for".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 06:02 PM
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No. We're just talking past each other, and I don't want to continue this conversation if we're just not hearing each other. No, TRP does not say anal is something women enjoy depending on who the partner is. TRP does not say women like anal only with certain men. It's not abou the the act. It's about the man proposing to do the act. TRP says women who enjoy anal will do that with men they're attracted to and who want it, and will not do it with men they're not attracted to regardless of whether…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 05:25 PM
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Please. Women go around here stomping all over and insulting men for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 05:18 PM
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---if a friend goes moves on to another relationship and says she tried anal but hated it, That's not what we're talking about. That happens sometimes, not as frequently as women claim it does, but it happens. There are times women try something and don't like it and never do it again, and that's fine. In those cases it's about the sex act, not the man with whom she does the sex act. But it doesn't happen often, and it's not what we're talking about. A man is not interested in doing something sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 04:56 PM
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But we're not talking about "sex" in this thread. We're talking about anal sex. I've never met a woman pressured into anal. Most women I've ever known who didn't want to do anal would not do it. Most women I've ever known who would do anal, would do it only for men they're really really into, and not for men they're not into. Same with blow jobs. If a girl's not into you, she won't suck your dick. If she's into you, she'll be all over your dick. This isn't about sex. This is about anal sex. Girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 04:42 PM
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Really? Women do sex acts they don't like with men they aren't attracted to? On what planet?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 04:33 PM
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KPD: Communist Party?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 04:29 PM
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I disagree. This is about women's sexual fluidity. Women can have sex with other women because there are no men to have sex with. When an attractive man presents himself, she'll go back to sex with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 04:07 PM
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LOL. A huge component of this subreddit is women giving shitty advice to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 04:04 PM
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what?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 04:02 PM
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OK. Edit: "If a women DOES like anal sex, then why on earth would she not do it with her partner?" She likes it with a partner she is attracted to. She doesn't like it with a partner she is not attracted to. Women don't do sex acts they like with men they don't like, even if they like the acts themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 03:28 PM
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Yes and no. A lot of men have a tough time striking a proper balance. Men either care too much, which women view as effeminate, or care too little, which women view as cold and insensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 03:13 PM
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I'll use this comment as automod. A better question might be: Why do women think they give good advice to men? Or, why do women think they can give better advice to men than other men can?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 03:08 PM
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A woman won't be bent over doggy and receiving anal for any man whose personality/appearance isn't appealing to her and who she doesn't consider HV. She has to like the guy first and consider him HV first. Women don't let LV guys into their asses, from my experience. I've been the HV guy and the LV guy so I've seen it from both ends (pun not intended).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 03:06 PM
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Go away, bad bot
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 03:00 PM
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Seductive behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 02:59 PM
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She liked it because she liked the guy. She doesn't like anal with the guy she settled for, because she doesn't really like the guy. This isn't hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 02:58 PM
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I did. The answer is fully responsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 02:48 PM
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It's not about the act as it is about the guy. Some guys she will do anal with. Some guys she won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 02:47 PM
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It's about her settling. She did anal with her prior partners because she was attracted to them. She wont' do it with you because she's not attracted to you. Or not as attracted to you. She settled for you. She doesn't "have to" do anal for you, because you're not what she really wanted. She doesn't have to put forth as much effort for a guy she doesn't really want. If you were what she really wanted, she would do pretty much what you wanted, or at least be open to trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 02:43 PM
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That’s only 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 01:57 PM
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Good to hear that you’re doing well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 08:37 PM
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I’d have no contact with them whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 04:45 PM
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PPD: FDS lite.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 09:01 PM
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Talk to your FDS sisters. They’re the ones who are ok with high value guys getting sex elsewhere while they make those guys wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:48 PM
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Same here. Good to know. Will keep in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:14 PM
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Again. You’ll have no issue with sneers directed back at you, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:10 PM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:08 PM
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Fair enough. You’ll have no problem with it then when it’s directed back at you, I guess. why You feel a need to provoke me , I don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:06 PM
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Ok We’re both entitled to our opinions. I am not the one who went off topic or talked about things that don’t matter. Am I not supposed to express opinions about these things? Why does it matter? I’m not the one who decided to make a controversy out of it. But whatever. It’s just debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:00 PM
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Say whatever you want. Don’t sneer, unless you don’t mind being sneered back at. If you dish it out, you’ll need to take it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 10:59 PM
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Nothing to say? It was directed at women who you claim can wait. I don’t accept your claims, but if they want to try, best of luck to them. You don’t know me yet you feel the need to be derisive and sneering. Take it elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 10:43 PM
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Thanks for the info.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 10:41 PM
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Okaaaaayyy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 10:05 PM
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Wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 09:56 PM
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Never mind
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 09:48 PM
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He’s not the rule. He’s the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 09:46 PM
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Making men wait = low value men with no options, lose attraction, divorce. That's the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:55 PM
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It establishes the point I've been making. If I'm wrong, just say so, but back it up, that's all I'm saying
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:54 PM
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Wasnt for you, but OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:53 PM
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Lotsa luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:40 PM
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It's one data point. Not helpful in assessing trends. But good on you for being the exception to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:37 PM
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Not for 3 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:35 PM
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And in 5 to 10 years, a divorcee.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:34 PM
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Was for the benefit of other readers. No one is lecturing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:34 PM
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The point being... Make the necessary adjustments to be happy with what you can get. That's something only you can control. And you keep proving my point, which is that women who follow your strategy will never be happy with what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:47 PM
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---If hes not having sex with you hes having sex with someone If he's not having sex with someone else, he is low value with few to no options. He is unskilled and unattractive and will be unable to hold her interest. She will eventually either break up with him or grow increasingly unhappy and frustrated in whatever relationship she has with him. That relationship will go into failure, and will end in divorce or cheating or will continue with both parties getting very little of what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:41 PM
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Or... you could be happy and satisfied with what you can get, learn to cultivate that attraction, have sex with him even when you sometimes don't feel like it, and stay married to him even when it's difficult and you don't feel like it. You could learn to be happy for what you got. You could learn to be grateful and thankful for what you got.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:36 PM
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Aren't some women just like that? They don't orgasm through sex but can during masturbation or oral?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:28 PM
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So you're right back where TRP started, which was identifying the alpha fucks/beta bucks dichotomy. And you're doing exactly what TRP predicts you will do. So you're OK with marrying a low value man and eventually losing attraction for him, sex starving him, and then divorce raping him? Everyone loses on that score.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:25 PM
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But you will not be happy with what you get. You'll get a low value man you're not attracted to. You'll make him wait, and he will, because he's got no other options. You're it. So he'll jump through all your hoops and do all the things you demand of him. Then he'll commit on your cue. Then you'll lose whatever attraction you had for him. Then you'll become unhappy and divorce rape him. So you won't be satisfied or happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:21 PM
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Oh, OK. That makes a lot of difference if you aren't in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:20 PM
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And you would be wrong. Women make low value men wait. Sluts make low value men wait. If you had said 'women don't make attractive men wait for sex', I would have agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:20 PM
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Women make low value men wait. They don't make high value men wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:19 PM
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That's your problem. I might suggest simply being satisfied and happy with what you can get, which is what most normal humans have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:11 PM
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I didn't say anything about how those men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:08 PM
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Yes, precisely. Most of you will pick one of them, lose whatever attraction you had for him, and divorce rape him in 5 to 10 years. You won't come out ahead, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:07 PM
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No they don't, because most men really can't. Most men aren't having a lot of sex. The kinds of men you're talking about, and that you want, are high value men with soft harems. Most men don't have soft harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:04 PM
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Let's go all the way back to the beginning. The OP says "why should women have sex with men if men can't even make them cum?" There was a suggestion in the OP that having sex with women might be a better alternative. I said as one of my reasons "no lesbian bed death". That then led to a minitrial , prosecuted by you, on whether lesbian bed death is a thing. Hence, my bringing it back full circle to the OP. If a woman prefers sex with other women to sex with men, OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:03 PM
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I didn't say anything like what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:00 PM
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That's your experience. It's not most women's experience, from what i can see. It's fine that that's your experience. I just dont believe that that's most women's experience. Most women are not virgins at marriage anymore, not in 2020 America. Respectfully, I stand by my statement. As a general rule, it is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 07:00 PM
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OK. I don't really care. If a woman thinks having lesbian sex beats having hetero sex, who am I to judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:56 PM
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Most of the time they're not. If they're sleeping with other women, they're probably high value. And if you get that guy's commitment, great. Most of you will fail in that endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:55 PM
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Good for you. Let us all know how you're doing in 10 to 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:50 PM
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Men who are willing to wait 3 months for sex are low value. Your strategy selects for low value men, because those are the only ones who will let you call the shots and who will dance to your tune.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:49 PM
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Low value unattractive men with few to no options go for women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:47 PM
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The men who exhibit those behaviors are low value unattractive men with few to no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:45 PM
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And your strategy is perfect for finding them. So you're admitting that you're about getting commitment out of low value men, and using them? It's fine if that's what you're about, I'd just like someone to say that. If I'm wrong, tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:43 PM
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Your strategy selects for low value unattractive men with few to no options. Your strategy dooms as many women to relationship failure as does sleeping with men immediately. Giving way too little and picking men who will put up with that, is as flawed a strategy as giving too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:40 PM
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Thank you for admitting that FDS is selecting for low value unattractive men with few to no options and provider traits only.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:39 PM
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That's you. Most of your FDS sisters don't share your view, nor do most women. Most women don't want some guy they're dating to be fucking anyone else, and if they find out he is, they next him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:36 PM
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OK.... A woman with strong opinions is just fine. They're lots of fun for short term things. They're just not all that great for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:36 PM
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OK. Lesbian bed death wasn't under discussion either, until I threw it into the response. someone else created a controversy over whether lesbian bed death is even a thing, which really doesn't matter much to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:26 PM
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Yes. Those men end up divorce raped and lives destroyed. You're OK with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:24 PM
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It doesn't matter whether men do it too. Let's assume you're correct. Kind of puts the lie to the whole "eww, would never date a man who's sleeping with other women" thing, right? If he's attractive and high value enough, you're A-OK with him fucking other girls, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:23 PM
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Sure, sometimes. Look, I get this. It's in your interest to get commitment and to make sure the guy commits. Here's how all this works in practice. Woman sleeps with men she's sexually attracted to, can sometimes get marriage or a long term commitment. Sometimes. Woman makes man wait. She weeds out all the attractive men, and must now select from a pool of men who are willing to put up with that, which is mostly unattractive men with few to no options. Congratulations. You can get married to a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:21 PM
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Exactly. You're proving my point. FDS women are sleeping with men they're really attracted to as FWBs or fuckbuddies, while trying to get commitment from men who are willing to wait. The point is, she doesn't really like these guys she's making wait. She isnt' really attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:18 PM
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Disagree. I've seen it happen. It's happened to me and just about every other man around.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:17 PM
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Most women have done this -had sex very soon with someone else before they met me. Vast majority. If I'm getting different treatment, you're making me wait while you didn't make some other guy wait, you're not into me, and I'm not wasting my time. It's fine that you want to wait. I don't. So you can weed me out and select from a pool of less masculine men who you'll ultimately lose attraction for and divorce in a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:16 PM
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Not so much anymore. If I like you, I want to have sex with you. If you are making me wait, you don't like me enough, and I'm wasting my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:13 PM
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And sleep with other women openly or behind your back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:13 PM
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Those have been discussed everywhere. Slut tells.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:12 PM
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OK. Less frequent sex but longer duration is pretty dead. Infrequent sex that last longer, doesn't make it better. Nor is it more desirable. It's still sex that's not happening as often as I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:12 PM
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---One can be attracted to someone without banging them immediately. In turn of the decade to 2020 America, if there is attraction you'd better be banging by the end of the third date or the guy will conclude there is no attraction. Or there isn't enough to really get you going. Most men today won't hang around to find out which one it is, or wait for you to figure it out. ---it’s arbitrary and isn’t reflective of reality. It is arbitrary. You have to cut it off somewhere. But it is reflective o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 06:09 PM
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Stop looking at this in absolutes. To someone who wants sex, "less frequent sex but longer duration" might be pretty dead. Sex less than once a month is considered "dead bedroom". Bad sex that lasts longer than good sex isn't good sex. It's still bad sex. Kind of like having a tooth pulled.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 05:57 PM
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chillax dude Then to me, disagreeable and competitive are not high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 05:05 PM
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disagreeable/has strong opinions is not high value competitive is not high value Those two characteristics put her into the "pain in the ass"/high drama/high conflict categories. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 04:59 PM
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High sex drive does not necessarily equal "no sexual hangups".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 04:58 PM
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I can't disagree with the post or premise. Everyone blames society for women's problems because women must be protected against any and all threats. Even the strongest, most strident feminist women contend that women deserve protection, even when those women are in a much better position than anyone else to protect themselves. This is because pussy is expensive. Pussy comes with wombs and eggs for reproduction, and we need to protect and preserve every woman we can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 04:57 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 04:10 PM
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Now you are describing approaching. Before, you said “give off signals”. See the difference? That said, you’re describing your own experience. Most women will not do anything like what you’re describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 04:09 PM
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A woman who has no sexual hangups and knows what turns her on is low value? Or at least is “not high value”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 04:05 PM
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Good stuff OP, but would add that she understands her own sexuality, what turns her on. No or few sexual hangups.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:46 PM
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---Why would a young woman, that's looking for a good boyfriend, want to have sex with you on the 3rd date? Why not the 4th or 5th? Or after you commit? ---If you're really the one, she won't need to rush sex. Ease into it. Get to know eachother well first, then go at it like rabbits. This doesn't reflect the reality of how sexual relationships form now. The truth is that if a woman is sexually attracted to a man and is really into him, she will have sex with him pretty soon after meeting him. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:40 PM
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---long term relationship. ---no lesbian bed death. ---having children. ---if a woman can't get off with this man, she can get rid of him and get another. she can keep trying with different men and different techniques until she finds a man and a technique that gets it done for her. ---women report (at least to me) a penis attached to a male body feels much much better than a dildo or vibrator. It's the entire experience of having a man next to her, on top of her, his weight on her, her grinding…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:31 PM
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But that just proves the point. "giving off signals" is not "approaching". "Approaching" is actually going up to the guy and saying ---"Hi. My name is wetherspoons. [talk talk talk] Great talking to you. Can I have your number? Let's get together again." or ---"Hi. I'm wetherspoons. [talk talk talk] Want to get out of here? Let's go to [my place/your place/place where we can be alone]." That's approaching. "giving off signals" is not approaching. poppy's list of how she acts around attractive me…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:11 PM
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Are you married to one of these great guys? Divorced?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 12:55 PM
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No, women don't come up to men and talk to them making very crystal clear they're interested in those men for more than small talk. That's not the initial make-contact event. For women, the initiating make-contact event is almost imperceptibly subtle. Men approach directly, and very rapidly make clear they're interested in more than just "how's the weather" talk .
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 10:03 PM
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Because it's not attractive. It's not that it's "unattractive", it's that beta traits don't turn women on. Women just don't get excited with a stable, responsible, intelligent guy who has his shit together and makes good money, when that's all he has. He can be these things, sure. But he also has to be good looking, fit, assertive, confident, interesting, able to make conversation, able to interact with other humans without seeming weird or awkward, and not put up with crap from other people. Fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 08:20 PM
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I know. But discomfort at having rapid sex is, and so is locking his investment in. Most women are OK with having sex pretty soon, from how it appears to me. Locking him down takes less than 3 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:56 PM
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Your thinking is from 30 years ago. This is almost 2020, where upwards of 90% of women over 18 aren't virgins. Almost all the time it's not their first rodeo. Most of the time, if a woman is withholding sex or making the guy wait, it's not because of discomfort or making sure they are on the same page or making sure they both want the same things first, before sex. Right now, it's sex now, ask questions later, for both genders. That the guy might get laid and ghost is just part of the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:39 PM
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---there is no reason to wait longer than 3 dates but for lack of attraction, which is obviously false I don't understand this. It is clearly true there is no reason to wait longer than 3 dates. It's also clearly true that she's making me wait more than 3 dates because of lack of attraction. Or at least lack of sufficient attraction to give me something I want. What other reason is there, in 2019 almost 2020? I'm being serious here. ---3 month rule" serves an important function for women, namely…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:25 PM
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Yeah, I think i'm with you on the "I'm not waiting if other guys didn't have to wait" thing. I'd be outta there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:21 PM
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---"no sex until I'm comfortable having sex and feel confident he genuinely is into me and this is leading somewhere" (assuming that is what she wants) Sure. It can be whatever she wants. The criteria aren't the problem. It's the time limit that's the problem. Even if you don't think it's arbitrary, it's too long. One or two months is plenty of time to determine if the guy is on the up and up. ---Well yes I don't agree with stupid arbitary rules like this or the "3 date rule" men talk about too.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:16 PM
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I see your point. But by the same token, there's no real good reason for the hard and fast "3 month rule". A better way to approach it would be "no sex until I'm satisfied he's invested in me emotionally and wants to be exclusive and otherwise is willing to meet my requirements." That could be met in 3 dates, 3 weeks, or 2 months. There's no point in her being satisfied in a week or 3 that the guy is what she wants and is willing to go all in with her, but still make him slog it out to the 3 mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:08 PM
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That's a new one to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:01 PM
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---Attractive, high value men will absolutely be willing to bankroll dates for a while Not without sex, and not for 3 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 06:59 PM
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It weeds out attractive men. It selects for unattractive, inexperienced men they'll later divorce rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 06:58 PM
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If she's hot and I think she's worth it? Same as you. Lie, play the game, have sex with other women. If she's attracted to me, she'll cave and have sex with me sooner than 3 months. Because most women will give up their principles if they're attracted enough. If she's not, I'll probably be gone in a month or so, but well before 3 months. If she's not so hot, and I don't know she has the 3 month rule, I'll be in for a couple dates. If she tells me she will impose the 3 month rule, I'll just ghost…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 06:54 PM
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Not femcels. FDS, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 06:50 PM
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I know what you meant. I was comparing the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 05:39 PM
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Too many dudes living digitally think being some IG InstaThot's follower and commenting on all her pictures is "approaching" her. It's pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 05:37 PM
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---Men love a challenge. Looks don't matter as much as these young guys say. They will take a fun, difficult woman over an above average predictable woman ANY DAY! Agree that looks don't matter as much as men say. Disagree with the rest. Men don't want a challenge, and they don't want "difficult" women. Men's lives are difficult enough as it is. We like fun. Average and predictable are just fine. Men don't want drama, difficult, bitchy, or demanding. Bold and adventurous is fine but a woman does…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 03:37 PM
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Less attractive women, and older women, hate attractive girls a lot more than men hate attractive girls. Men don't hate hot girls. Men want to have sex with hot girls. We have to like you at least enough to do the deed. The only time men say they hate hot girls is when the hot girls won't sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 02:37 PM
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Come on. As a general rule, people are nicer to attractive women than they are to less attractive women or to men. That does not mean that no one has ever in human history been mean to a pretty girl. I didn't say that, no one else did either, and no one intended to say that. And I think you know that. Of course, on occasion, people have been mean to pretty girls. But it happens less often than it happens to less attractive girls, or to men. Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 02:36 PM
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sexual interest is where it starts. Men have to be sexually interested in her or nothing's going to happen. Plus, when I say "sexually interested" I'm not intending to say "just want her for casual sex". "sexually interested" runs the gamut from ONS to seeking wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 02:33 PM
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Women don't "approach" in the same way men approach. "Approaching" for a man is actually talking to her and overtly expressing interest in her as more than just someone to make small talk with. It's escalating. It's sexualizing the conversation. It's making crystal clear that you want to move this interaction either to sex now, or to reconnect at another time in the very, very near future for sex then. For a woman, "approaching" is making eye contact, or smiling, or saying anything to him withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 02:25 PM
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I disagree with you. From observation and experience, it is true that everyone is nice to attractive women. Or, at least, people are nicer to attractive women than they are to less attractive women, or to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 12:15 AM
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That's why I said: ---If the "Billy Beta" really is your type, it will be tougher for you because many, many men of that type lack the social skills to approach you, make it a good approach, close the deal, cultivate attraction and comfort, and sustain it over weeks or months. There's lots of reasons for that that TRP and the manosphere have pretty much down pat, and are 100% correct about. These guys just don't tend to be skilled at meeting women, dating them, or getting them into bed. Even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 11:05 PM
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That's overstating it. But attractive women get better treatment, people are nice to them, everyone is nice to them, people evaluate them more favorably, and they get loads of male attention. They get approached all the time, but half the time the male attention and approaches they get don't even register as approaches. People aren't throwing money at them, but they're getting tons of male attention, most of which they don't even notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 10:59 PM
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That's pretty much what I thought. It's the unattractive guy they think will be husband material who they expect not to have sex with other women, and whom they rake over the coals when they find out he tries to do that...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 10:57 PM
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Maybe I'm just dumb. Divorce in 5 years from a guy you used to think was the bees knees is "successful"? A failed marriage is "successful"? How does that square with the idea that women want marriage and commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 09:58 PM
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Maybe so, but FDS claims these are successful relationships. They aren't, not even for these women, because they don't last. These women will be in divorce court in 5 years or so with these great guys they say are takin them on dates and paying for it all, and who are respectful and submissive. They'll be complaining about how unhappy they are and how the men were shit. So these aren't successful, even for "cunt women who want to be worshipped".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 09:52 PM
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---The kinds of men they will be divorcing in 5 to 10 years. Except they're not good husband material. They don't know how to run a relationship. They put up with too much crap and these women lose attraction. They're doormats. Doormats aren't good husband material.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 09:45 PM
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I get the impression FDS thinks "high value" men are mid betas: men who are high earners, spend most of it on their women, are open to egalitarian relationships or let the women play the dominant role, and who let the women control the social aspects of the relationship. Like "The Rules". The kinds of men they will be divorcing in 5 to 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 09:31 PM
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There's so much wide variation in here, and so many variables, that it's hard to say your life experience is the same, or different, or is RP, or is not RP. I'll do my best not to get personal, but I'll speak in terms of generalities and possibilities. If you are as you describe yourself, you are generating male interest. Men out there are sexually interested in you. You're not being ignored. And it's more than just sleazy creeps or hammered fratbros. Men of all kinds and calibers are noticing y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 08:36 PM
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There's so much wide variation in here, and so many variables, that it's hard to say your life experience is the same, or different, or is RP, or is not RP. I'll do my best not to get personal, but I'll speak in terms of generalities and possibilities. Generally, if you are as you describe yourself, you are generating male interest. Men out there are sexually interested in you. You're not being ignored. And it's more than just sleazy creeps or hammered fratbros. Young, attractive low N, nonpromi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 08:34 PM
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Good point. Except that, women many times include a qualification or disclaimer that they've "never done this" or "usually don't do this" when relating stories like this. Or with guys who they're about to have sex with a few hours after meeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 08:05 PM
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I dunno about this. I don't appreciate being used as an ATM. I'll tolerate functioning as an ATM as long as I'm the only one for her and as long as I'm getting value back in exchange for the financial support I provide. Most men will gladly support a woman as long as they're getting something in return for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 07:57 PM
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---"I do not believe your average or even below average man is just constantly bombarded with shitty treatment and cruel belittling because “that is how men treat each other”" He usually is if he's a low value piece of shit who's not producing anything of value, or he's a doormat letting other people treat him that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 07:32 PM
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Some of that's bullying. Some of it is men testing each other. He's not wrong in describing the male experience. Men have to prove themselves all the time, to themselves, to each other, and to men in and outside their tribes. A man has to give something useful or valuable to the tribe. If you're not, you either need to figure out a way to do that or find another tribe or go it alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 07:29 PM
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"I never do this" "I never do that kind of thing" Interesting. Guys report all the time hearing this from women as part of the "antislut defense": "I usually don't do this." "I've never done this before." I guess sometimes it's a fluke and a woman's done this once and never again. But many times, when a woman says something like this, she has done this before.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 07:22 PM
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I don't get it either, because I don't see this kind of treatment of average or unattractive women. Unless she did something to provoke it, like show sexual interest and he's very uninterested and telling her, bluntly, just how uninterested he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 05:43 PM
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Yeah, I kind of chuckled at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 05:41 PM
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Women do prioritize looks. That's not a problem, for men or women, and both sexes should expect that. The problems are ---men don't know this. Or, men think women aren't doing this. Or, men know this, but not to the extent women do prioritize looks. ---women don't prioritize looks as much as they should when picking guys for relationships. ---some women get to a point where they have to settle on looks so they can get a relationship with a guy who has other qualities but they don't make up for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 05:40 PM
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She's not really complaining about the guys calling her names. She's complaining about being treated like a man. Men don't get openly rude or hostile with other men unless they're looking to provoke a physical confrontation. Plus, ordinarily, men are not going around making fun of or getting rude or hostile to average looking women who aren't doing anything other than just being there. She's complaining about how men treat other men: Largely indifferent after an initial threat assessment is made…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 04:46 PM
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If it's working for who? The men? I guess so, if those guys are having sex with other women while dating her for 3 months. Still too long. At least it would be for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 04:06 PM
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Maybe, but even those guys aren't going to wait 3 months. edit: and even leave aside FDS. Just go with an average to above average woman. She'll do the same thing FDS women would do, including making a relationship target wait while having hookups with more attractive men she really doesn't want relationships with. Doing that for a few weeks is probably OK and sufficiently serves her interests of finding out if this guy really wants a relationship with her. But 3 months is too long. The main iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 04:02 PM
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If he's really "red pill", he's dating this woman who's making him wait, while having sex with a couple of other women. He's spinning plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:58 PM
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Because the attractive men that are FemaleDatingStrategy's targets will wait 2-3 weeks, while having sex with other women, but they won't wait 3 months. Two to 3 weeks is reasonable for those attractive men who have options, and they won't wait that long. 3 months is not. It serves women's interests because it's long enough to vet, but not so long that the target guys lose patience and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:54 PM
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Three months is too long to make a man wait. You shouldn't make him wait more than 3 dates. It's just how it is now. Men know women are having sex with men they're attracted to and aren't making those attractive men wait. So if you're making him wait, you're not attracted to him. And if FDS is to be believed, some women will have sex with attractive fuckboys while dating this guy they're making wait. Isn't all this kind of PPD 101? That said: ---how much time, attention,dates, and money will you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:47 PM
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Yes. If a girl is making a guy wait, it means she's not attracted to him enough for sex. Could also mean she's having hookup sex with more attractive men than him. What a lot of women don't get, or do get and don't care, is that the attractive guy they're making wait for sex is having sex with other women while dating her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:42 PM
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Weird. Like anyone's going to talk about this honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:39 PM
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I don't know about this. This isnt' all of it. I think this ignores the comfort factor. Yes she has to be attracted to rawdog. But I also think she might make a hot guy wrap it if she doesn't like or trust him all that much. I'm an average guy, and I used to get "have to wrap it" more than I do now. I find that if she feels she knows or trusts me, she'll let me rawdog. That, and women tell me they hate condoms as much as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:26 PM
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This is very true. To get an LTR, you first have to attract the woman, and attracting the woman and keeping that going is the main problem most men have. Attraction is for relationships, because without attraction you never get to relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:09 PM
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Women do this kind of thing too - get openly hostile and insulting to men who turn them down. Including a lot of average women. I do online dating. The women I stop talking to or whom I politely reject have all sorts of choice insults for me... "Asshole" "You're just wasting my time" "You're a waste" "You're just like all men, you don't care about anyone else's time but your own" So women do this too, all the time. What's going on there, I think, is average women having been extended the privile…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:43 PM
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The only thing you're halfway correct about is how some men will insult or become hostile to a woman who's turned them down. The rest of it, not so much. Men aren't uncomfortable around average or unattractive women unless those women show overt sexual interest. 10-15 pounds extra doesn't make a woman "average". Men don't go around calling average women names to their faces, for no reason other than those women are present or just around somewhere. Are you saying men would just call you names, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:33 PM
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You're not seeing rudeness or coldness. You're seeing ordinary, everyday, average treatment on how men treat ordinary, everyday humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:22 PM
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A lot of not good stuff that had to be unlearned. Mostly women like nice guys, women really get horny for nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:18 PM
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---Even if he loves her, some part of him feels like he's degrading/ruining her by having sex with her. Not exactly. Close, though. What a lot of men think is that she's already degraded or ruined. It's "if she's doing this with me, she's done this with a lot of other guys before, so she's already ruined."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:14 PM
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This is pretty much it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:12 PM
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Girls and women can think or say that about Grandma. Boys and men are never allowed to think or say that about any woman, especially not Grandma.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:05 PM
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"Wine aunt" Taking notes....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:04 PM
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You haven't been reading the replies. The replies in the prior posts laid all of this out and spelled it out for all of you, step by step. I think I even talked with you in one of them. ---"mommy thinks you’re perfect just the way you are” That's a strawman. That's not what was said in the prior replies. Sometimes "mommy" might have said that, but that's not what was under discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 02:01 PM
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Ah ok
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 09:32 PM
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oops. This was supposed to be under the automoderator comment. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:55 PM
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I wouldn't blame a woman one bit for not admitting it here or anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:41 PM
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I didn't "say" men are saying mean things about women to their faces. I said these douchey jocks treat them like shit. Not that these douchey jocks are going around saying things like "all women are X" or "all women are like that" or "women are the most responsible teenager in the house" or "women have no agency". Douches treat women like shit, and women put up with it. Douches don't talk about MGTOW/inc*l sexual dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:35 PM
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I didn't "say" men are saying mean things about women to their faces. I said these douchey jocks treat them like shit. Not that these douchey jocks are going around saying things like "all women are X" or "all women are like that" or "women are the most responsible teenager in the house" or "women have no agency". Douches treat women like shit, and women put up with it. Douches don't talk about MGTOW/inc*l sexual dynamics. ---"Life isn’t all that different today than it was 20 years ago." Yes it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:34 PM
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The point is I saw it around the same time she says she wasn't seeing it. She's suggesting no man's ever seen these things. I have. And yeah, also 20 years ago...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:26 PM
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Stats currently say it's around 25% of both sexes have ever cheated. I think it's higher than that. I think it's more like 35% to 40% of women, and maybe 30% of men. I live in a mid size city, upper midwest. My experience tracks yours pretty closely but it's not quite as many. It's just "more than I ever thought" and "wow, she cheated? Her? I thought they had such a good marriage." It's becoming a lot more prevalent, or at least people are finding out about it. I suppose it could be the levels a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:01 PM
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Do you honestly think any woman is going to admit cheating on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 07:56 PM
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Yeah. It's a bell curve too. Most women are in the top, fat part of the curve - lots of 5s and 6s. Extremely unattractive women and extremely attractive women are distributed at the low ends. There aren't very many extremely unattractive women and only slightly more extremely attractive women. Women get a point bump up on the sexual attractiveness scale, just because they're women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 07:11 PM
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Bye. I'm done with this conversation. You as a woman don't decide what a 3 is. Men do. Respectfully, how you rate women's sexual attractiveness does not matter. How women rate other women's sexual attractiveness does not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 07:03 PM
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---"These “douchey” jocks, did you ever observe them when they get were with their girlfriends?" Yeah, they treated their GFs like shit. Negs, making fun of them, yelling at them, ignoring them, blowing them off, not doing what they say they will do, doing things they said they wouldn't, taking them for granted, smacking them, manhandling them, flirting openly with other women in front of their GFs, getting drunk or high and being overall douches. ---"Are you suggesting that jocks by nature hate…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 07:02 PM
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What are you even talking about? Most women are 2s and 3s? No. Wrong. You're looking at this as a woman does, not as a man does. And since we're talking about sexual attractiveness, men's opinions are the ones that drive things forward. No common ground at all, no basis for further discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:42 PM
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The OP is about "what was society like before the sexual revolution" and most people are responding "what sex lives and marriage were like before the sexual revolution." The question was a lot broader.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:41 PM
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First, it's not about increasing the women available to them. It's about evaluating women's sexual attractiveness, and most of them are pretty much in the middle, in that 5 to 6 range. Second, I didn't say that 75% of women aren't good enough, nor do most men. Men go for average women all the time. Men have sex with average women all the time. Men marry average women all the time. I have no idea what you're responding to now because I didn't say any of what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:21 PM
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Good point. I was just going to say that there's how an individual woman believes she behaves with a very attractive man, and then there's how others actually see her behave with a very attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:19 PM
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Then you don't understand how men evaluate women. Men do this a lot differently than women do, or than you personally do. And since men are the ones evaluating women's sexual attractiveness, men's opinions are the ones that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:14 PM
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No. I'm still not being clear, I guess. When it comes to what women's sexual attractiveness is and how men view women, men determine what's "average". We're not talking about how women view women. We're talking about how men view women. It doesn't matter what "Real average" is. All that matters for these purposes is what is "average" to men. Because men are the ones who do that evaluating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:01 PM
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I disagree. It just doesn't work this way. Never has, never will. Women won't change this. It can't be framed as "I will tell this man I'm rejecting him because I don't find him sexually attractive and he's got some things he needs to fix, and I want to help him. It's an act of kindness." Women will never do this. It's too socially risky with other women. It's too physically risky because some weirdo freak guy could go off on her about it, or glom onto her as a "friend". The male experience of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 05:58 PM
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I think your understanding of men's view of "average" is inaccurate. A woman with bad hair and 10 lbs overweight is "average" to most men. But "average" is more than enough to get a most men's sexual interest. Men are a lot more forgiving on women's physical appearances than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 05:54 PM
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If we are talking about physical appearance alone, that depends a lot on where you are in the US. My "average" might not be the same as someone else's. Plus, you're a woman and I'm a man, so my idea of "average" probably takes into consideration different things than what you consider. I'm looking at physical appearance and sexual attractiveness. To me, an average woman is just that. She's not morbidly obese. She's 10 to 20 pounds overweight or underweight. She has at least one major physical fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 05:34 PM
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No. An average woman can date above average men and marry an average man. A below average woman can probably date average men and marry a below average man. Admittedly, she will have a hard time, because most of the men available to her aren't all that attractive. But she can get someone. More and more women, though, are saying "just someone" isn't good enough, and going it alone. Probably better for both men and women in that demographic. I disagree that "can't marry Chad" = "death sentence" an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 05:00 PM
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How would I fix this? Red pill, which explains this to men pretty much exactly how I just set it out for you. Red pill was created for this guy - he can get some girls interested in him. He can even get girlfriends. But they always fail, and it's usually because he can't keep the interest going, or because he always makes the same mistake at some critical point in the interactions. He's too eager. He says something dumb. He talks too much. He texts too much. Or he's too far in the opposite direc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 04:54 PM
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If you're a woman, never. People are really nice to you, especially men. You get free stuff sometimes. Men pay for you when they take you out. You get sex anytime you want. If an encounter with a man goes poorly, it is his fault, every time. You never have to take responsibility for anything that goes wrong in your life. If you can't get a boyfriend it's because the good looking men treat you horribly. If you can't get a boyfriend to marry you it's because he's an immature little boy who's afrai…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 04:43 PM
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What do you mean by "normal lives"? ---"I'm having trouble understanding this. Do you think that people were purposely lying to fit their motives?" Adults were "lying" because they didn't know any better, or were using an old dating model for changed times. It's mostly peer girls and young women who were lying to these men. They were lying because they don't want to look shallow, immature, or bitchy. They were lying because they don't want to tell these men honestly that they don't find them phy…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 04:34 PM
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The average or below average woman does just fine, as long as she is nice and kind and pleasant, she makes the most of what looks she has, and she has some other skills or attributes to bring to a relationship. Most Western women who are in this range, are there because of obesity. If a woman can get this under control, she'll almost always move up from "below average". It's to the point where all a woman has to do to be average is be "not morbidly obese". Women can get by with being chubby, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 04:18 PM
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Because a lot of women said "we don't care about looks" and "looks don't matter". And a lot of men took that at face value, not understanding women's indirect communication style and how what's left out is "looks don't matter as long as you cross my own personal looks threshold" and "looks don't matter as long as you have some baseline physical appeal to me." And it's a lack of sufficient socializing without undue influence from know nothing parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 03:53 PM
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--- "In theory, women could have it all. And for cheap." And in practice, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 03:43 PM
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Your approach is probably the best one. Men can't talk about this with their girlfriends or wives. Women can't help you, they don't want to help you, and they don't care. Having mental health problems is a sign of weakness and vulnerability, and you cannot show women any of that, or they'll dump your ass. Hold it in. Suck it up. If you need help, get a male therapist to work it out or talk to your male friends. It's funny that women can't handle it and reject men when men do talk to women about …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 03:28 PM
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I don't have these problems, but men who do report common experiences: ---they suffer alone, because the people they trust the most - their female spouses or GFs - can't help them and in fact outwardly reject them. ---they have it harder than women who suffer from the same problems. ---no one wants to help a man with mental health problems, because men with mental health problems are viewed as physical threats
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 03:21 PM
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which then makes me question how broad and applicable the perspectives expressed here are to real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 03:00 PM
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Yeah. Women keep asking this question and scratching their heads, asking "how is it that some of these guys don't get it?" Then men come along and explain it, in an attempt to explain it logically and academically, and to gain empathy. And the response from women is "Losers! Why are you listening to your mommies? Stop this MomsTeachSex crap!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 02:49 PM
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Figures....
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 02:46 PM
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Then why is mom giving that advice? She should keep her mouth shut and tell her boy to go to his father. You didn't respond to any of his other arguments either...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 02:39 PM
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Probably as much as any teenage girl (or adult woman) has thought "I really really like this guy. If I have sex with him, maybe he'll give me a relationship".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 02:21 PM
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They don’t, except on debate subreddits
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 05:28 AM
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Nothing, and I didn’t say it would do anything for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 04:40 AM
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No reason to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 04:39 AM
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Thanks for illustrating my point. No one here needs to identify you as a man hater. You’re doing a great job of showing that all by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 02:11 AM
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You're not getting it. Have a good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 11:23 PM
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Forget it. You're not understanding any of this. Have a good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 11:17 PM
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---"the 15 year old boy you'd let finger you at the movies had reported it all back to his dowdy old cow of a mother and gotten advice on how to convince you to give a blowie." That's not how it goes and it's not what boys are talking to their mothers about. Boys aren't talking to their mothers about fingering their girlfriends, they're not going into that level of granular detail. They're saying "how do i get girls to like me" and saying it to mom because mom used to be a girl. Even if some 15 …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 11:14 PM
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No. You're completely off base on this. No guy is going to girls explaining this stuff because he's trying to get laid. This is pretty limited to debating the point at debate subreddits like this one, or explicating about it at red pill subs. This is being explained to you because they're trying to get you to see their point. They're not trying to get into your pants. No guy is talking to some girl explaining that he was awkward and didn't get it, because he's trying to get her attracted to him.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 11:11 PM
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No, what? This is not "My friend's Hot Mom" porn fantasy... You're really losing me now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:57 PM
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---"I just want a little empathy" = "Let me talk at you until you're willing to let me fuck you just to get me to shut up." what? no. "I just want empathy" = "I want you to at least try to understand where I'm coming from on this and see how I fell into that trap." But I agree that women can't empathize on this and men should stop expecting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:55 PM
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Asking mom about girls is way different than asking mom for fashion advice or pop culture. I'm a guy, so it would have made more sense to ask mom about girls because she used to be one. It made no sense for me, a guy, to ask about fashion or music.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:53 PM
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Sorry, I didn't say anything about "MomsTeachSex" and have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:49 PM
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The logic is: "If you want to know about girls, ask mom, because she's a woman who used to be a girl. Why would mom lie about it?" It's not difficult to understand, when you're a young kid who doesn't have any other information. I'd be more understanding of this view if the women who disagree with it would just admit they can't relate to it and have no empathy on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:49 PM
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No, that's not what kandy is saying. She's very clearly telling you she cannot empathize with you about this. She has no empathy on it. She can't relate to it. Stop expecting women to empathize with men on this. They can't. They never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:45 PM
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I think guys are expecting, or hoping, for some empathy from women about this stuff. They'll never get it, but that's what they would like. They'll never get it because women can't empathize with men on this particular issue. They just can't. They don't understand it or get it in any way, and they just never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:42 PM
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Might be abnormal, but there's lots of reasons why a teenager might think this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:39 PM
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---"This is what blows my mind about this whole conversation, the underlying assumption that teenagers will actually listen and heed the advice of their parents, especially the opposite-sex parent, when it comes to dating and relationships." The logic is: Parents are older and understand more. You're a boy, and you don't know about girls. If you want to know about girls, ask mom, because she's a woman who used to be a girl. Why would mom lie about it? Mom loves me and wants me to do well. Plus, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:33 PM
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Posts about this are all over this subreddit and other pill-related subs. All I can tell you is that men's experiences are quite different from women's and I just won't belabor that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:28 PM
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That has been discussed endlessly here and all across Pill-Land, there's sharp disagreement on it between those who experienced it and those who did not, and never the twain have met.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 10:01 PM
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I disagree. The misleading misinformation a lot of guys got is part of the problem. It's true that being misled is not the only problem, but we can't dismiss it out of hand either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 09:43 PM
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Anger phase, and inability to accept the truth, keeps them posting here. They spent years being under various delusions, lied to, and socially awkward while being told that someone special is out there for them. They've learned the truth, they lost years or decades, and they're understandably pissed off about that. What's worse is that they're having a really really hard time accepting the truth and that they won't get that lost time back. They can't let it go. The worst, for some of them, is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 09:31 PM
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he'll get away with more as a good looking man than he would as an ugly man. Women will dump even the chadliest Chad if he's so mean to them that they end up needing therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 07:11 PM
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You're stating this in extremes. Plus, we don't really know enough from this one example. I think it's better to state it in generalities. How do we know this guys' relationships were very healthy? Blue Pill doesn't necessarily mean "he respected women". We don't know what you mean by 'respected women' either. Then you paint a picture of a good looking man who had good relationships but who picked up red pill and now is a typical Blue Pill-created caricature of a red pill man. Kind of hard to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 06:39 PM
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This is two different questions. "Why are men and women so insecure nowadays?" They interact in person less and less. They don't do real time communication where facial expression, voice inflection, emphasis, etc. are being viewed and heard as they happen. They don't get exposed to it as much, which makes them more emotionally and mentally brittle. They're not as resilient to rejection and hardship. People's economic situations are less secure now. Real wages are stagnant. It's harder to get ahe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 06:22 PM
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Maybe so, but she's not helping her son. That's all I mean by it's not all that fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 05:58 PM
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which will be pretty damn quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 05:56 PM
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---"Do you believe your life is more or less valuable base on your sex?" No. I have to do different things to provide "value" to people than women do, but that doesn't mean my life is more or less valuable than women, because I am a man. This is really more a metaphysical question than a "pill" question. ---"Do you view your loved ones as more or less valuable based on their sex?" No. that's not how this works. You can't take all this pill information and say "my sister is more valuable than my …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 05:52 PM
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For most women the answers will depend on where she is in her life and what she wants at that time. It has less to do with the particular guy and more to do with her own mindset. If she's just wanting some fun, and all she wants is casual, and he's on the same page, it's all good. If she's wanting a relationship, and she had good sex, but all he wants is casual, then she'll probably feel like she lost out. Or at least that she's not getting everything she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 05:07 PM
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Not married and don't have a GF now. But if I did, I would break up with her right away. I had a GF that did this, more or less implicitly. I broke up with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 04:53 PM
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I don't think you're seeing a dislike for hypergamy. You're seeing lack of knowledge about it, an inability to handle it, and definitely a lot of frustration about it. I also don't necessarily think this is mockery of women who "settle for less". It's more bewilderment, like "if you're not attracted to these guys, why are you getting with them?" Or "If you've decided he's the guy, he's the best you can do, and you're settling on him, why are you now complaining about this guy you picked?" It's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 04:49 PM
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I don't know how "fine" it is, but the reality is that mom will tell him all that feelgood bullshit, so dad needs to disabuse him of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 04:41 PM
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Your mom shouldnt be saying anything. She has nothing useful or helpful to say about any of this. Even the stuff about "most women are monsters and whores". The truth is that a lot of women are monsters and whores. Mom should be shutting up and letting Dad talk to you about this stuff. You shouldn't listen to Mom about any of this even if she chooses to pop off about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 03:27 PM
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I know. But I don't think women really "want" beta types for marriage. It's what they can get, so that's what they settle on. Plus, the beta characteristics are what they need for marriage. So it's not "want", it's "need". It's probably fine at the beginning, for a few years, but then he starts beta ing out or was never all that great, and she starts complaining at him about this or that, and they both lose out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 03:20 PM
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Oops, forgot to respond to this: ---"Those posts took it for granted that the mother was ALREADY doing all the things that mothers do, such as telling her son that one day he will find Somebody Who Loves Him For Him. They were asking what, if anything, the women here would do after it became clear that that advice was not working. i.e., would they tell their sons how to get laid." Moms shouldn't be doing even this much. They shouldn't be telling their sons anything at all about girls and women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 03:16 PM
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I don't see the point of these hypotheticals. Conventionally attractive people lose their physical attractiveness gradually anyway and it doesn't happen overnight except through freak accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 03:07 PM
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but only gradually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 03:04 PM
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Most men aren't going to say that. Even if they did, both the guy saying it and the woman he says it to know he can't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 02:57 PM
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"Husband material" is not a compliment, for all the reasons all the other men are stating. No, I don't want to get or be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 02:56 PM
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Because women want to get married and because "beta" types are the men they can actually get for marriage. It doesn't matter that sexual attraction fades over time, if it was ever there to begin with. What matters is she can get a beta type for marriage, so that's what she settles for. Also, because single motherhood is barely viable. Single moms and divorced moms are always struggling financially and emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 02:51 PM
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It's not that mothers aren't doing enough. It's that they're doing too much. There's lots of reasons for that that I don't want to get into.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 02:36 PM
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Sorry, I didn't read those posts that way, and that's not what they said. Those posts said "what would you do if your son was having problems with women" and similar things, not "moms, it's your job to help your sons get laid". It's unrealistic at best, disastrous at worst, to expect mothers to help their sons with anything having to do with girls and women. Mothers should probably avoid advising their sons about much of anything after they start high school. Mothers should stay out of that and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 02:21 PM
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Yes, I kind of read this post this way. This post says "all you maladjusted men out there obviously are this way because you hate your mothers for some reason".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 02:14 PM
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Sounds like a “gotcha” post to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 12:34 PM
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She just never lived this as a man. Women dont understand this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 01:50 AM
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—“I personally find the idea of learning on people I'd find unattractive as being an asshole. Its basically using them.” Nah. As much as you’re using them, they’re using you. She’s got her own reasons for fucking you. For these purposes it doesn’t matter why she’s fucking you. All that matters is that she is fucking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 06:28 PM
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Overt, forward sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 05:58 PM
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I know you’re trying to say people will instinctively want to help a publicly crying woman but will recoil from a publicly crying man. That’s not what I see. What I see is everyone recoiling from both. I don’t want to help a woman having a public crying fit. I want to get away from her and I don’t want to get involved in whatever is distressing her. Same with a publicly crying man. Except a publicly crying man is more likely to be a physical danger to me than any woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 05:54 PM
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He Was typically getting sex before they got married, and then afterwards it declines to nothing gradually
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 05:09 PM
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Yes. But the hot guy gets away with it while the ugly guy doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 05:00 PM
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But then the unattractive guys still lose out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 04:57 PM
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It can. But, more often, being an attractive man lets you get away with treating women badly. Men who treat women badly, do so because they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 04:44 PM
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Because people observe it. Because less attractive men have to be nice to everyone. That’s how less attractive men get anything in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 04:20 PM
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Didn’t think about it this extensively. I agree with how you have characterized the stereotypical Pitbull mommy. But I always saw that for these women, the Pitbull is a substitute for a masculine man. Can’t get or does not want a sufficiently masculine man, so instead, she gets a stereotypical masculine type dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 04:16 PM
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No he’s not getting sex for provisioning. He’s probably not getting sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 03:57 PM
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No, not "badly out of shape". At least not usually. But if a woman is obese by BMI standards, and "out of shape" meaning not toned, never works out at all, and has a flabby protruding gut, she can still be attractive if she has big breasts and waist narrower than hips. Because that woman still has the feminine hourglass shape and her breasts are in proportion to the rest of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 06:54 PM
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I don't really have feelings about it. It just is. I used to feel confused about why women didn't want sex from me, but did want it from other men. But that was because of being told bullshit about how men and women are the same and how being nice makes girls want to sleep with you. So I figured if I'm attracted to pretty girls who are nice to me, then girls will be attracted to me if I'm nice to them. I also don't think that women have a lower sex drive than men. Reactive sex drive does not nec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 06:46 PM
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I'd have to agree that 3 partners is not a slut. I can't say where you draw the line, but it's above 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 05:17 PM
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Men who think they can get away with it. Men who actually do get away with it. Men who can get other women to have sex with them. That's high value attractive men. Not low value men. Not men for whom a high N woman is the best he can get and if he loses this one he wont' get another for a long time. He's low value. He cannot easily replace her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 02:08 AM
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Of course not. What does that have to do with anything? High N women marry kind of beta men with few to no options. These men aren't going to cheat on or hit their women. It's not in their nature. That's not why these women aren't satisfied with these low value men. These women are dissatisfied with these men because they're low value men and that's all they could get. It disappoints those women. I don't blame them for being disappointed and angry that a low value man was the best they could do.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:46 AM
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The N count is one of the issues that causes her to be unable to lock down what she really wants in a stable relationship. It's not the only problem, but it is one of the problems. N count causes women to be more prone to being unable to get what they want, because high value men don't commit to them. There's this female dating strategy subreddit that is geared toward lying about N for this very reason, because high N women have problems getting high value men for LTRs. If high N women had no pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:34 AM
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Maybe not. The problem with women judging men by their utility value is their dishonesty about it and their not treating men well because of that judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:28 AM
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working on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:27 AM
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OK, but this post is about high N women and they're really prone to this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:20 AM
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But too many of them outright say they settled or did settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:45 AM
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It doesn't. Not with high N women who have to settle for men they don't really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:42 AM
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Maybe for most women, but not so much for high N women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:41 AM
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I think your position makes no sense and isn't borne out by reality when we talk about high N women marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:33 AM
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OK. Thanks for being sorry, but, it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:32 AM
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No. I'm not married. I'm talking about other men's experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:30 AM
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It does. Because the sexual value she bring to a man is, to that man, the best of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:30 AM
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I disagree. Many of these high N women aren't happy when they marry because the guy isn't really who they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:29 AM
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I'm not. I think you're telling us what your experience and others' is. Your experience doesn't make me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:27 AM
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What. you want me to go scour reddit or other places, and find you one? I've seen them at r/relationship_advice, r/relationships, and the red pill subreddits. I mean, I don't know. Can't you go look?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:24 AM
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I disagree. Love isn't the same as "being happy with". What happens is that a lot of women marry men who are good enough, but they aren't thrilled, and they aren't really all that "happy". They're kind of satisfied because he's good enough, and that's sufficient at the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:23 AM
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Like, what? A plausible hypothetical? A news article? An opinion piece? A reddit OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:21 AM
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I would have to disagree with you. I didn't say there was nothing there. I just said there wasn't much there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:20 AM
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If they were happy with each other, life circumstances wouldn't take the tolls they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:19 AM
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It's not shallow to value a woman for the sexual value she brings. That's one of the main reasons men get with women. Wanting to have sex with your woman isn't shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:18 AM
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--Men also want women that other men want Men want those women for sex. Not for commitment or marriage or reproduction. --except they want those women who say no instead yes, to everyone else, except them. Men want those women for commitment. These are two different categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:09 AM
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To men, yes, that is the best of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:07 AM
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I am one of those older fat guys. I'm 50. What it looks like to me is that these women marry men they're not really all that happy with in the first place. I've watched a lot of them over time and it looks like that's what happens. These women aren't all that happy with their guys from the get go.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:59 PM
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sluts pressure men into commitment when they're aging out of their fun years and want to settle down with a guy who will marry them. Men don't really care what men do, but men know when another man is committing to a slut. Most of the time the guys won't say anything. But they know. Sometimes a man will try to warn another man that the woman who's pressuring him to get married is a slut. But mostly, men don't say anything about it because they don't want to rock the boat or hurt the guy's feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:50 PM
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why do you say that? What tells you they satisfied when they get married? if they are satisfied when they get married, why can't they stay satisfied?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:41 PM
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Because the post is directed at men telling them to get some self respect and not commit to sluts. Men don't need to know the actual N count. They just need to approximate it. They just need to know "probably a slut" or "probably not a slut". There are ways to do that. What bothers men is not that they can't tell. What bothers men is committing to sluts or being pressured to commit to sluts. But what really bothers men is being low value such that sluts are their only option.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:39 PM
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The point was that you were wrong that men make these posts because they can't tell a woman's N count. They make these posts because they don't want to commit to a woman who's probably got a high N. It's not about hating these women or wanting nothing to do with them. High N women are fun for sex. It's just that they're not good for commitment. You're correct that certain men don't want to commit to them. No big deal. Low value men will commit to them because they have no other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:33 PM
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But they're unsatisfied when they get married. They're settling because they aren't getting what they really want. It's like they really wanted a Ferrari but they and everyone else knows they can't afford a Ferrari, so they get a Chevy. It will serve the necessary functions, but it's not what they wanted. They wanted more than just "will get me where I need to go". The best they can do is go to a dealer and test drive a Ferrari. Which is why lots of them "trade in", or at least try to. Usually t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:26 PM
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That logic applies to buying cars or houses, but not so much to picking a guy to marry. What seems to happen is that women have lots of sex with lots of different guys, then end up married to someone they're not happy with. It might not make sense but that's what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 10:58 PM
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They make these posts because they don't want to commit to a woman about whom they can't tell how many partners she had. It's not about the sex or she had a lot of sex. It's not even that they don't want sex with her. These guys will have sex with them all day long. They just don't want to commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 10:57 PM
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What does BP get right? My experience is BP gets correct that there's a lot of nuance and shades of gray, and its nowhere close to black and white. BP is also correct that male looks isn't everything and that personality can go a long way to make up for looks deficits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 10:45 PM
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Sure you can use them as evidence. They're reports from individuals based on first hand observation. What's more, a lot of field reports reach the same results and same conclusions observed by a lot of men who would never have met each other absent the internet. You might not believe them. You might not ascribe much weight to them. But they're evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 10:45 PM
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1) That's BS. more attractive girls can't tell if a guy does or doesn't jack off. Most people know that all men masturbate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 09:22 PM
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The problem isn't that the sexual marketplace is a market. The problem is the lack of controls on the market. The sexual give and take is always a market. The issue is what kind of market it is and should be. Because right now the laissez-faire marketplace is not serving most people's interests. A market with more controls would. You can have a market. You just have to put controls on it. Right now, we have a market where most men are priced out and can't afford anything. Those men aren't happy …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 09:13 PM
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None. Both sides use whatever advantages they can get. Always has been this way, always will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 08:10 PM
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I'm not sure what this is about. Women having orbiters is common place no matter what pill anyone believes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 08:05 PM
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I disagree. There aren't enough hot guys to make that happen. Most women marry men they're somewhat attracted to but that doesn't mean they think the men they're marrying are "hot". They're marrying men who are good enough because that's what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 05:08 PM
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Yes, I've had success in the past pre-red pill and post red pill. I ended a bad relationship in which I'd become really blue pilled over time. I found red pill and it explained a lot of things. I "got myself back", so to speak. I got more successful after becoming redpilled. That's more or less because I understand more about how things work between men and women. Yes, All Women Are Like That in their nature. That doesn't mean all women act the same way or that they make the same decisions or th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 04:43 PM
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Can't disagree. Men overestimate their own attractiveness. Women underestimate their own attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 04:18 PM
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Sure it is. Sex is a need for most men. maybe it isn't for some men, but that's for the individual man to decide. It's not up to women to decide what men need. She can decide not to fill that need, in which case she should leave him and let him find someone who will fill that need. If she doesn't want to have sex with him, she shouldn't marry him. It's fine if he wants sex and she doesn't. She should have sex with him. It's fine if she wants sex and he doesn't. He should have sex with her, and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 04:13 PM
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I think for women, masturbation can be healthier than casual sex. Women like sexual validation but they say that casual sex isn't that physically satisfying. They report fewer orgasms from casual sex. And a woman who's had lots of casual sex, it looks like the validation gives way to disappointment and frustration. Masturbation is probably physically healthier for women than casual sex because women are a lot more susceptible to STI's than men are. That's the main physical risk for women now, is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:51 PM
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Huh. I always thought pussy smell varied just because of the individual woman, hormones, and genetics, and maybe diet, not necessarily because of hygiene or pH or natural vaginal flora. Some women are just muskier down there naturally. Some women don't have much of a smell or taste. I'll agree though that if she's got some infection going on down there, that can produce a foul smell. But I just have experienced a wide aroma and taste variation among nondiseased, normal pussies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:47 PM
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Male, straight, age 50. No I would not date a transwoman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:43 PM
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This is applicable only to men. For men, casual sex is healthier than masturbation because with casual sex, the man doesn't get pornsick and possible ED. With casual sex, he retains his essential humanity. Men who resort to masturbation to porn do so because they can't get women to have sex with them. If he could get a woman to have sex with him on the regular, he would most likely avoid porn. Casual sex is more validating for a man's psyche and soul, even casual one nighters interspersed over m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:35 PM
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You can have a series of ONS with one guy. It might actually be FWB, but she might call it a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:12 PM
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In real life, it's not that it's "not too hard" to meet women and get sex. It's that it is "difficult and getting more difficult and problematic". It's that it is "more difficult than it used to be". It's that the zeitgeist on how to meet women and get sex is a moving target. Because conservatism begat the sexual revolution, which begat feminism, which begat the Rules, which begat the manosphere which begat the Red Pill, which begat women "Gameproofing" themselves, which begat The Rules Redux, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:09 PM
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Nah. She will be fine with all that if he's attractive. it's when she's expected to settle for an unattractive man who does that to her, that she won't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 12:31 AM
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If any woman ever said that to me, she'd be nexted immediately. If a wife ever said that to me, I'd divorce her. And I'd never say that to any woman even if I believed it. That's cruel and intentionally hurtful. And u/sophiatab thinks it's a pretty bad thing too...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 10:49 PM
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Not at 90%+ rates. Most of the time in the west, a man married the third or fourth woman he "courted" or who was "arranged" for him - if he got married at all, and if he even lived long enough to get married. Men still face and handle rejection very well. The wonder is that men aren't getting more violently angry at the current situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 10:01 PM
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--I don't think that's too different from what I'm saying. If women's expectations are going up, that would still be men not being interested when they bow out. But that's not what's happening. Men are bowing out because they can't get any, but that doesn't mean they're not interested. They are. They very much are. But the logical reaction to not being able to get what you're interested in is to give up on it and accept something else or something less. And that's what men are doing. Men who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 09:38 PM
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You're making a lot of assumption in there about men, and women, that I just don't agree with or line up with my experience or the experiences of women I've met with. No woman I've ever met would countenance "eh, you're good enough" from any man. No one worth their salt would ever say that to a spouse, even if they believed it and it was true. If you care anything at all for the person who married you, you'd never say that. Not even if you believed it, and not even if it really was true. You've …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 08:53 PM
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Heard? you actually heard men saying to you "you're just good enough" or "you're good enough"? Did your first husband say this to you? Did later spouses say this to you? Did men you were dating say this to you? In what context? On dates? Or just men talking to each other? What kinds of men are these? How attractive were they? You've also narrowed it down from your circle of female confidants, to your own personal experience. But I don't think you can then extrapolate that personal experience of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 08:43 PM
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I have no basis on which to counter your assertion as it is your stated experience. But I have to say that I have never heard of any man telling a wife she's "just good enough". I suspect that what you're hearing from your circle of female confidants is not what their husbands said or even how their husbands act, but rather their perception of what their husbands think and feel based on the spouses settling into a comfortable life routine. If those husbands really thought their spouses were "jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 08:32 PM
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Accepting table scraps is just existing and subsisting, not living. Because when all a woman is willing to give is table scraps, eventually she takes even those away. So men can't live on table scraps. Also, you're suggesting table scraps is a good thing. It isn't. A better alternative is probably to go his own way and make do with porn, rather than beg at a woman's feet for whatever paltry, measly morsels she's willing to throw at him. Most women won't accept being "just good enough". They'll d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 07:19 PM
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The problem now is that "warmly attracted" isn't enough to keep a LTR together because of time passage, familiarity, limitless female options, increased women's independence, and neither the man nor the woman can maintain that warm attraction. Hot attraction can cool to warm, and it's OK. Warm attraction cools to cold, and that just won't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 07:00 PM
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That isnt' the opposite for women. The opposite for women is that her potential husband wants her only for sex. She has no value to him at all beyond her sexual services. The only reason he keeps her around is because he loves sex with her. He's also having sex with at least one other girl more or less like her (that she doesn't know about). The only reason he's willing to offer her any commitment is that he likes sex with her. The minute she asks for affection or attention or doing things toget…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 05:59 PM
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Women shouldn't marry men they have no real passion for. "Warm attraction" is probably OK as long as she's giving him the sex he wants and needs. I also think you have the prevalence reversed. I think more women are "warmly attracted" than there are women feeling "no real passion". For most women, there's some sexual attraction there at least at the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 05:39 PM
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Men "expect" things from women only because women misrepresent themselves to men and say they will give their men certain things and then don't do them. Or they claim to be certain things and then are not those things. It's about women making promises to men and then not making good on them. It's about women lying to men and then deadbedrooming them. Women shouldn't make promises they don't intend to keep and they shouldn't misrepresent themselves or their feelings to men. And they shouldn't set…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 05:29 PM
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Because no man wants to be a woman's "just good enough". Because all that woman will be willing to give him is sexual table scraps, and no man wants just leftovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 05:19 PM
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--Why isnt it enough to be valued for being a good man, provider, and your intelligence? because in truth she doesn't value him for those things. Women constantly tell us they don't need men for those things. And because there's nothing really special about him to her. He's fungible goods. He's replaceable. And the fact remains that she settled. He isn't what she really wanted. --Its not like you are worthless because you dont provide her crazy tingles. But he is worthless to her because she doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 05:08 PM
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