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While many stories are shared across cultures (flood stories exist in nearly all cultures), assuming that A is stolen from B would require some evidence. Otherwise B may be stolen from A. Or A and B are independently told and similar (maybe because the said story is true). Saying the evidence is in the literature is a weak argument for origination.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 08:17 PM
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My original point was bad parents do bad things to their children, whether they abuse them or arrange bad marriages… I.e. “prioritizing what THEY want”… good parents either wouldn’t do that or minimize it because they value their childrens needs more than their wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 08:03 PM
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Correct… when men say “most women are attractive” what they are saying is “I find women attractive…” not “I would marry any woman no matter how dumb and crazy because I think women are attractive”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 08:01 PM
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People in love are terrible judges of character… male or female…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:59 PM
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Men advocate for arranged marriages? Where does this come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:56 PM
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Sure, and a bad parent may arrange a great marriage by total accident…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:48 PM
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Bad parents are everywhere… here in the US they abuse their children, but they don’t arrange marriages. A bad parent will probably arrange a bad marriage… a good parent will probably arrange a good marriage… No systems perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:46 PM
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Because of our modern age we know the son with pick a hot chick… his parents are probably making a better choice…. But arranged marriages are arranged BOTH ways…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:43 PM
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I have never send any evidence that pagan law migrated from northwestern Europe to the Middle East during antiquity. Roman law may have had an influence, but during antiquity the Roman’s were not considered pagans prior to Constantine (and really for a long time after). Birth control didn’t exist in a reliable fashion a thousand years ago… If I am co-opting wombs around the world, I am especially terrible at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:41 PM
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Arranged marriages were not an institution, and while in the higher classes they had political benefits, for normal people there were other factors that drove it depending on the culture. Worldwide arranged marriages was a common mode throughout history…. They marrying for love phenomenon is very recent. The idea that pagans (and I assume you’re talking about Western Europe and not say Central America) had property rights and not kings isn’t accurate. Worldwide birth rates had to be fairly high …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 02:25 PM
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Why would a woman’s family not be interested in her happiness? Chemistry? Good families want the best for their children. This sort of thing happened in the US to an extent when immigrant communities settled areas of the country… matching a nice boy from a good family or vice versa was common… Today it’s no different that “Johns single and Jane’s single and I think they would like each other, let’s set them up.” I am not necessarily an advocate of arranged marriages, but what goes on in the east…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 02:11 PM
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Non western societies don’t have a vast welfare state, ESPECIALLY for immigrants. Hence people willing to clean a house or cook a meal instead of just collecting SNAP, Medicaid, section 8, pre paid cards for whatever… This used to exist in the US, where the basic expectation was that everyone worked in society, but that’s long gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:53 PM
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Well a single woman who was educated may be a tutor for a wealthy family. MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T LIVE ALONE... Men or women... Particularly the poor or lower classes. The concept of a cosmopolitan single middle class male is nonsense. If you were poor and didn't want to marry and uneducated (which for the most part in 1600 poor = uneducated), you may be limited to some kind of domestic work (cook, servant, candlemaker)... Nuns were the one job any woman could do because it paid ZERO lol... No one wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:32 PM
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If only we could split the atoms of cats, cat food, or cat accessories and create usable energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:47 PM
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throughout history education has been afforded by the wealthy. In western societies reading and writing was rare for both men and women until the Enlightenment when it became more and more commonly available to the masses. Western countries didn't just educate boys... What society are you referring to, Islamic countries? Until very recently gold digging wasn't a option for anyone, particularly uneducated women. Women in society read, wrote, and played multiple instruments SPECIFICALLY because ed…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:37 PM
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i have know some that will... in some cases i had pictures sprung on me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:52 PM
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The first sink fixin is free, after that just ask the wife "is Margie going to blow me or are you?", turns out there is actually a whole profession mainly staffed by men that do that sort of sink fixin work for a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:39 PM
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I think the theory is that those Millennials and Gen Z's are going to put serious strain on the cat food and cat accessories industries in the coming years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:37 PM
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So I don't think this is true at all. I think this is mainly narrative framing. With women the framing is "where have all the good men gone". With men its "Incels are losers and its their fault" Both of those common narratives have the men at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:33 PM
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Ahh yes... A Handmaidens Tale Historical Records. This idea is nonsense, at least in western society. I am not saying it never happened, but it certainly wasn't the norm. If you were not interested in marriage it is far more likely that you would find your self a teacher or tutor or something than forced into marriage rape slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:18 PM
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Some men will have sex with anything living, dead or in between... how is this a win for lonely women? "Congratulations, there are men lined up outside your door to use you as a cum dumpster" isn't a loneliness solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:16 PM
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I agree with this... the men that people talk about are mostly edge cases. Also agree on the 3/5/7th wheel thing... and I am not sure exactly why that is, but I never had much interest in being the extra wheel... I think that becomes even more pronounced when people have kids... a single 40 year old dude hanging out with young kids has a much different vibe than a single 40 year old woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:55 PM
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Yeah I am not buying it... I have know plenty of women, and know a bunch well enough to understand the basics of their dating habits... and I can only think of one that did the whole FWB thing, and that ran its course once she realized it was never going to change...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:44 PM
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That is a incredibly misinformed opinion. I got a degree prior to entering the military, in comparison college was slowly paced and required very little thought to complete, the students were not as intelligent, and standards were lower. 50% of the men in my field of expertise had a genius level IQ (98-99% percentile), and the others had traits that were important but didn't translate well to IQ (i.e. mechanical ability). If anything made these guys unattractive to women, it was that some of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:14 PM
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Yes men are lacking friendships. Vulnerability has nothing to do with it. Focusing on video games and PornHubTubeWhatever has way more correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 01:00 PM
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This is exactly why I don't think these conceptual arguments translate well to reality.... If you are interested in a dude, you don't think "I won't go out with him unless he's dated/banged X women"... What's far more likely to occur is that if that attraction is there, you roll the dice... (and I think this applies both way Men to Women, Women to Men...).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:33 PM
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This is a odd trope that I see repeated over and over. Men and women are different, and that translates to differences in what they are doing during sex... being on the bottom in missionary isn't being lazy...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:19 PM
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well of course... if a dude would do ANY woman, that doesn't really make you attractive (and I am not saying this in a negative way... nearly everyone wants their partner to think they are special...). I'm not really sure how society has tossed this bit of common sense to the wayside.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:16 PM
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But a high body count man doesn't correlate to well to "knowing what they are doing". There may even be a negative correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:12 PM
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I am not sure that the men that have high body counts care much... at least they didn't used to when they were in my friend groups... it was like they were racking up virgins on their way to 50 or 100 notches... I never hear one of these guys say they weren't interested in a women who was easy (easy was HOW they got to 50 or 100, they wanted easy). I have also, never personally, heard of a man turning down a relationship with a women because she has slept with too many people. I have certainly h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:11 PM
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I think this is a causation versus correlation discussion... I don't think either men or women want partners that have slept their way through a city, but people that are able to do that have that capability because they are desired. I think this causes the premise of the question to be a fallacy. None of the women I have been involved in would have seen me as more valuable because of a high n, if anything I would have been seen as less valuable. I have had discussions with all the women I had L…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:01 PM
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That's a odd thought when women literally ruled countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:50 PM
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I missed the NEMJ entry, was the article discussing the effects of jumping on the body?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:49 PM
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Using a mental health provider as the explainer for men's friendships isn't a great source, they are selling a service... they basically are saying "If men were women they would have friends". Great. I don't blame women for men not having friendships (on a GROUP level)... I blame men and in some cases society (which at some point was instituted because men allowed, approved of and or voted for). In a professional setting, a men's groups is sexist and not allowed. Churches do have men's, women's,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:46 PM
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And why leave ALL the expensive booze for the people that find your body, they won’t miss a few drinks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:09 AM
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Being well read is a choice, or at least a choice if you have the aptitude. I agree that CAN translate to a degree. More and more I have seen degreed people who are not well read, can’t think critically, and are boring. I have a degree. Great, bonus points for me. However the hands down most intellectual environment I have ever been in had nothing to do with college, education or a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:08 AM
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Talking can’t fix REAL issues. Talking can only fix issues inside the proverbial YOU. If all your issues are external real issues, suicide may seem like a logical rational path…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:56 AM
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And why is that? Single motherhood is subsidized, mens groups are destroyed in the name of equity, and all the while Women in Carpentry groups are praised… this outcome is pretty predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:50 AM
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The concept that hundreds of years ago was full of choices for men is rather novel. Unless getting drafted and being dead at 18 is some choice… This idea that mens lives were full of choice may have applied to kings, but did not apply to peasants.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:47 AM
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Family has always been the building block of civilization… using the nuclear family term to dis the family doesn’t change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:41 AM
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Is alcohol a cause or effect… I mean if I’m blowin my brain out, might as well be drunk… drinking doesn’t make me want to blow my brains out though…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:22 AM
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The men that I know that either were in danger of (see below), tried or committed suicide were all in the military, or shortly after entering civilian life. None had anything to do with women that was clearly evident. P.S. suicide watch is for people that threaten suicide. Unofficial suicide watch is when everyone around a guy is worried, but he won’t even speak…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:06 AM
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Sure sure… not all men… but I distinctly remember the first time I read the NEMJ it was about a man that would use a giant production machine at work to masturbate… until he accidentally leaned to far and got dick whipped across the room when his penis got caught in a pulley… he lost a testicle (it flew out)… stapled his nut sack shut and went back to work… After his balls swelled to the size of cantaloupe and got infected he went to the emergency room… So one one hand, there are good men… on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:30 AM
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I thought it was for the interesting plots, character development and moving dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:15 AM
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Sure… same with me different field…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:55 AM
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I am not saying I disagree with you… I am just wondering why if men are the primary consumers and men don’t want to hear about large penises, why most porn isn’t men with small/normal penises… Maybe there is some other physiological shit I am not connecting, idk. Or maybe some form of selective reality (I can ignore reality watching porn, but have to fight it in the real world).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:49 AM
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But you can… my point is that some jobs are not available in some areas… the trades are everywhere… And I get not wanting to move… part of the reason I am where I am
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:43 AM
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Sure… but there’s a lot more money involved there, and those surgeons pretty much do just that surgery (Tommy John???), as opposed to it could be the new resident on duty that has seen a couple dozen vaginas in real life, and operated on 5… on the vagina side, the money isn’t big until repair is elective… then suddenly for thousands of dollars, the surgical outcomes are better… if the vagina in question was a $100 million dollar vagina, I have no doubt that the surgical repair would be both exce…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:42 AM
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A degree does not make you an interesting person, especially if you’re the kind of person who thinks having a degree makes you an interesting person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:30 AM
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Well, my claim is that the performance of the surgery matters more than kegels. Circumcision may be similar, but due to it being external and more routine probably lower the range of outcomes. A botched circumcision may be rare, but can be devastating… Also, I am not claiming that a vagina after a episiotomy is dysfunctional, different does not equal dysfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:15 AM
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Tradesmen make good money everywhere, and are very mobile so will go where the money is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:10 AM
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I’m not sure I understand your porn point… why would porn make men not want to hear large penises may be better? It seems to me, if someone was basing their beliefs on porn it would be the only thing that mattered (maybe I am out of date on porn here??? IDK). For the record, I’m not trying to argue here… just understand the correlation. I get your point with the g-spot in general… there is no magic spot (as I have said in another comment, I’ve been with women who love that area (g-spot or whatev…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:08 AM
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I’m unsure if this reply was to me, but I will assume it was. When a woman’s vagina (muscle) is surgically cut to allow childbirth, it may not be as tight as it was previously… no different than an ACL… I’m sure some of this has to do with the skill and care, and decisions made by the medical practitioner responsible. Im not saying that after the surgery keyless don’t strengthen, they do, but it depends more on the surgery than kegels… this is one of the few surgeries given by whoever is there, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:41 PM
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What happens to women by around 35? Hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:25 PM
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And why the urban rural divide? Could it be because rural settings don’t have the same cushy jobs that cities do (said as someone with a cushy job), and involve tasks like truck driving a shit shoveling?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:24 PM
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You post is a combination of a personal situation and what you perceive as the big picture, and certainly worthy of discussion. I find it difficult to engage when there is this intermixing of concepts as people often find it difficult to separate discussion of ideas from discussion of them. I do wish you the absolute best of luck with your struggle to overcome find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:33 PM
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I generally agree… I would add that it seemed like back in my day 20 years ago, even people who were less attractive did fine… I find this topic fascinating as well…. That being said… I have definitely gotten told that a woman wasn’t interested, just like I have told women the same… but everyone just moved on… rejection is part of life and good, for example I like to think I am kinder all these years later after getting told thanks but no thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:24 PM
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Isn't the whole basis of porn that larger penises & longer lasting lovers = good sex? My understanding is that men are the primary consumers of porn. Is your theory that men are consuming a message they don't want to hear? It would seem at least on this point if it were true, there would be massive amounts of small(er) penis porn or something... As for your last point ("And older women..."), my theory is that a large number of men are bad in bed for reasons that range from laziness, to understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:24 PM
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I think I agree with everything you said... even after reading twice...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:03 PM
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Maybe your right, but that seems extremely cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:00 PM
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I suppose that makes sense... not sure why I got the downvote for asking a question though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 07:55 PM
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So in a LTR when a woman orgasms more frequently as the relationship progresses... it's because she lost sensitivity? Its all so confusing...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 07:45 PM
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Viagra and other PDE5 inhibitors affect blood flow, which for men adequate blood flow is required for penetrative sex. PDE5 inhibitors don't create desire, even in men, simply the ability. PDE5 inhibitors are more akin to artificial lubrication for women (the lube allows for comfortable sex when the body may not produce the lubrication naturally). Mental state and hormones are deeply intertwined, specifically for women hormones are linked to libido, hence why the new hormonal treatments are much…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 07:06 PM
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Wife: "Hit my G-spot" Me: *pushes glasses up onto nose* "Technically there is no G-spot, even though we may colloquially refer to a anterior area of the vaginal wall as the... where are you going?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 07:00 PM
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and even if a woman does... she might like it on day X of her cycle and not on the other 27 days (or however many days)...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:58 PM
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Kegels can not overcome episiotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:57 PM
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if the evolving understanding of the clitoris is correct, penis width would be instrument in stimulation (fingers can selectively pressure a spot... a penis may be able to do that somewhat by selecting positions, but since penis's don't have 3 joints...)...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:54 PM
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If this is the case, porno and a fleshlight would have ended the purple pill debate in its infancy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:49 PM
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I think the answer is sex is more nuanced and individualistic than people understand, and when there are two unique variables (or more I guess, but lets keep it simple) the results are also highly variable. This 20-30% statistic (and I have seen lower estimates), is baffling to me, as every woman I have had sex with orgasmed from some variation of interior vaginal penetration (i.e. PIV, fingers, whatever). This could be simple random chance, some form of selection bias I don't understand, or it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:31 PM
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Why would she be religious… much more likely to get married young if religious than no relationships until 35…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 07:56 PM
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All I’m going to add to this is that, the smell in question was not the woman’s fault, it was purely situational and poor timing… and who it was will die with me, the story only remains alive to remind myself what bad is, with little detail and a vague retelling…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:30 AM
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Women, in particular, follow social norms… they also create the social norms… Guys can look like absolute shit around each other, and be motivated to change their appearance by a woman… men don’t motivate men to maintain appearances that aren’t required… If it makes you feel any better men were forced to shave starting in WWI for gas mask usage…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:26 AM
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women’s sex drive, in general is not as high, primarily because of variability and hormonal cycles… throughout my life my sex drive has been extremely consistent… the variable factors have been sleep (affects testosterone), fitness (affects testosterone), stress, and the only one the killed it… boot camp… The idea that women aren’t attracted to men is just bunk… where this concept comes from is beyond me… my most current proof is what I over hear when going to collect food when the wife is hosti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:22 AM
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Correct on all… and the Testosterone thing is a big deal, part of the reason guys sex drives correlate with fitness…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:11 AM
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The irony was that in the 50/60s the trope was “the lonely and horny housewife whose husband can’t perform anymore”… once men’s bodies were worn out by 50 this kinda went away… (I get the “men screwing their younger secretary trope” was around too)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:09 AM
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This seems right based on observation… I would probably substitute “low sex drive” for “zero” but that would be quibbling…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:02 AM
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I’m not sure how this was ever a mystery… a woman’s locker room/changing room is better in Porkys (or whatever sex comedy) than real life. Some of the grossest smells I ever smelled in my life came from a woman’s locker room. The absolute grossest smell I have ever encountered came from a woman… (guys can be plenty gross too, maybe I am just more used to it IDK)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:52 AM
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Yes. In the past men AND women may shave to get rid of lice and crabs… and then wear wigs… because… 1000 years ago the “middle” class would shave pubic hair, the Rich would grow it and comb it, and the poor would be covered in flees….
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:33 AM
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If true why?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:29 AM
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Well… widows are older and much more likely to be menopausal. In medieval Europe post menopausal women were the only people that could have sex with pregnancy (even kings would have to hide their bastard children away…).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:28 AM
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Well, my theory is that a man does have bodily autonomy… he can choose not to sex… he may just not get to have his cake and eat it too (or you know…), he can wear a condom (which all in all is pretty low risk, they just feel like shit, but you control it)… there is no such thing is a free lunch… I’m not trying to say a vasectomy is unsafe. The risk of serious complications (debilitating pain, paralysis, complete loss of sexual function something like that) is low, and death is essentially unhear…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:48 AM
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Men being forced to pay child support for children they don’t want is government force (whether that force is right, wrong or moral or immoral), and not biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:56 PM
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Biology is a patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:50 PM
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That’s projection and gaslighting. A woman talking about vasectomies is like a man talking about childbirth. Those stats are only reflection of complications that are serious (like sepsis). Additionally, the type of procedure has changed and that results in more complications. Using a SALESPITCH from a urologist is pretty disingenuous. Unfortunately I wasn’t aware of this until after I had gotten a vasectomy, I never thought to look into the actual frequency of complications or the types of vase…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:44 PM
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So I don’t necessarily agree with everything you said… but I’m going to upvote it anyway because I think it well reasoned and explained… Great comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:27 PM
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Men's choice is to not have sex and get a woman pregnant OR accept some amount of risk that you will get a woman pregnant (this may be a goal, YMMV). Women can choose not to have sex, or take birth control, or use Plan B, or in 72% of states have a abortion between 3 and 9.5 months, or give a baby up for adoption, or choose to collect child support from the father for 18 years. This is the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:58 PM
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Vasectomies have complications. Freezing sperm is no more a guarantee than freezing eggs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:43 PM
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LTRs and marriage don’t really fall into the SMV discussion in my opinion… they are outside of it… and, unless the relationship has failed, no one who is married goes around thinking “well I’m now a 8 instead of a 7, and spouse has fallen from 7 to 6… so I am divorcing spouse to get with a 8” (not talking about edge cases or psycho).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 07:40 AM
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My reading comprehension is good enough that you are trying to make an objective conclusion based on an evidence free opinion. You said “Passport bros… tend to objectify women” (objective conclusion), behind my snark the challenge is to prove that is a separate phenomenon with a high incidence specifically for Passport Bros other than you just saying that “at its core the thinking of the passport bro is problematic and harmful” (evidence free opinion). I’m much more willing to agree if you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 07:34 AM
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You said a lot, and I agree with everything you said. I want to add two things that further what you said… one HRT is rapidly advancing… while this may help men some, it’s may radically change options for 40-60 year old women (particularly the ones that have the most issues with menopause ect, which may be the equivalent/exceed the results of the PDE5 inhibitors for men). Old men (that are not rich or famous) rarely attract young women. I don’t know why this idea is prevalent, and I agree with y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 07:26 AM
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I was someone that 9 years ago said things like you… the conversations went like this: Me: Trump said X Friend: No he didn’t he said Y Me: But CNN said so, see here’s the headline Friend: Here’s the speech transcript with the portion highlighted, he said Y Me: huh…. This happened about a dozen times… each and every time the friend was right… then I realized I was being lied to… Since about 2018 I only read primary sources (transcripts, legal filings or court opinions, police reports, medical stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 07:03 AM
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You mean at 60? I’m not sure that is going to be too much a driving factor… 37% of women have Female Sexual Dysfunction (FSD)but only 17% of men have ED… Here’s a peer reviewed study done in Iran, but a Taiwanese study is similar. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8351832/ The apparently is some interdependence, I.e. the woman has FSD, and the man then gets ED, OR the man has ED and the woman gets FSD… Now, in these studies ED is defined as not being able to get an erection sufficient…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 06:44 AM
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So just because some men are bad (sex with farm animals), doesn’t mean all men are bad. I don’t know if women as a group are changing or not at the moment. There are good and bad relationships and always have been and always will be. The difference now is that the hookup culture allows skipping the relationship, and serially abusing people in different (usually sexual) ways. That is new. Most of the people I know are married, and have been for many years. Some financially struggle, some are weal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 09:40 PM
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In reality “the wall” would better be termed “the decline that people face until (the wall of) death”. I get that part of the red pill argument about the wall is that women decline as they age, but their standards don’t and therefore they hit “the wall”… but even if you put those two concepts together, the don’t “hit the wall”, they “build the wall”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:15 PM
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So I watched this and looked into the references... "The vegans had 7% higher total T (P = 0.250), 23% higher SHBG (P = 0.001), 3% lower free T (P = 0.580)" Lower free T means lower... erections. The actual "experiment" hasn't been able to be replicated. If I was to guess the reason why, my guess would be that the men had sexual activity (whether sex or masturbation or whatever) in the 24 hours prior to the start of the study and that's why they did the meat portion on day 1 and the vegan portio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:35 AM
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Well that's not literally what he said... not only did he not literally say "immigrants are dirty rapists", he didn't even say it figuratively. "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best," Trump said. "They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." https://www.politifact.com/fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:13 AM
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How does that make him racist? Green card can take years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 01:22 AM
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Oh, well sure some of any people are jackasses... I just don't get the "I hate X people so I am going to marry a X person" idea, and I have heard it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:23 PM
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That's what I thought, but apparently there are some differences... one of the main ones is that Passport Bros don't bring their wives/GFs back
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:21 PM
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I agree there are a lot of people that don't have good intentions. I only know 2 dudes that did this, 1 I know well and 1 not very well, so pretty small sample size... I think the high cost limits people who are just interested in a good time, I should talk to the guy and ask about the details, but based on memory I thought he said it was something like $25k to the service, minimum of 3 trips over there (he took extra trips, at some point the service steps out of the process), plus whatever lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:19 PM
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So in general I have been making simple statements... People at 25 are more attractive than those same people at 55... these are not strawman arguments... Your talking about women being desirable at different ages , which I am not disagreeing with, and older women being "gross" WHICH IS THE STRAWMAN ARGUMENT lol... I would never make this argument... The whole point of reddit is discussion, I am sorry if you think that our back and forth is a lecture. You can close up with the last comment if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:03 PM
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That is not the general male attitude. I know first hand that you can't make someone leave a abusive relationship and having personally offered resources to friends in this situation the attitude is more sadness than anything else, but the attitude is not that she deserves it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:46 PM
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I don't assume women are idiots at all. I actually think far more men are blithering idiots than women, but that is a completely different topic. But there are tons of "I'm hotter at 50 than a 25 year old" women around here, they are just as numerous as the "I'm not a Chad" men... If this is a straw man I didn't create it. But a couple of posts ago you said "What most women don’t “admit” is what guys online want women to say: that older women are disgusting and have no worth as a partner." I was…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:41 PM
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This guy put in a ton of effort... I get that Tinder is no effort... This guy put in years of time and money... And I would say in his case he did want a "nice good girl"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:34 PM
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hmmm... One of the guys I am talking about learned the language, travelled on and off for years to the country, and converted to Eastern Orthadox prior to marriage... so halfway between Passport Bro and Mail Order maybe? IDK.. Thanks for the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:11 PM
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Why would I be butthurt on a issue that has nothing to do with me. I mean I emphasized the nerd part, just because I was trying to communicate the idea lol...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:08 PM
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I'm sorry. I didn't absolve him of his marriage choice (which he didn't end, oddly). Are woman who get beaten at fault? What if there were red flags? Well, they should have some accountability... or is it only men who get in bad marriages the ones who should be accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:06 PM
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What on earth are you talking about? Youth and attractiveness have a correlation, for men and for women... I was better looking when I was 25 than 45... I am better looking now than I will be at 65 or 85... why is that hard for anyone to admit? (this is the real question that I am fascinated by) Just like I could dunk a basketball at 25, and will never be able to again regardless of how hard I try... I mean that kinda sucks, but its life... (I am not saying no 45 year old can dunk, I am saying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:03 PM
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*sigh* Are you trying to tell me city dwellers don't look down on rural folks? I grew up in a major city, the term "Fly over states" isn't a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:54 PM
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Oh man... This is a difficult answer that could be a post in a of itself. So on the high level, I think when dating finding someone who you are physically, spiritually, and intellectually attracted to is extremely important. I can't speak for women, but I think some men discount the later two. Back in the dark ages (the time was the 00s...) when I dated people, this meant having a lot of conversations during the dating process that didn't all have the end goal of sex. Once you are married, conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:51 PM
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Yeah, it is... maybe I meant to reply to someone else... IDK... Sorry about that. I will leave my comment up as visible mark of my shame...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:53 PM
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I wasn't really replying/projecting onto you, I was more being snarky to the guy that married a Chinese woman in the spirit of some of the threat comments. I also don't know what he believes, but he clearly says he's not a American...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:48 PM
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I will edit the comment it was supposed to be "They weren't old". I agree that 30 is not old. Which is why after years trying to date the one guy tried something different (the other guy was a work friend, so the details of that situation are limited). One of the messed up thing was that, all the guys that were in the circle of friends made fun of him when he was doing it... The Ukrainian gal was the same age as he was (I think he was ~35 she was ~32 when they met, and ~37/34 when they got marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:44 PM
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The one wife I knew fairly well... the were certainly red flags about her from years back, but she also went off the deep end... I don't think the men enjoyed the behavior anymore than the woman that gets knocked around does. I do think that a lot of men in the 90s were never taught to stand up for themselves and just defer defer defer... happy wife happy life... now, I am not sure that these guys would ever be "alphas"... they just didn't have the personalities or drive. The concept that men ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:22 PM
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maybe they had temp visa's? After they got hitched they basically lived here, both are naturalized now though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:07 PM
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They weren't old. Both were about 30. They certainly weren’t poor, not only did they make good money but they never spent it. I wouldn’t say there were attractive… but I’m not the best judge of other men… I certainly don’t think suicide is the answer, and that’s why I don’t judge them. The one dude learned fluent Ukrainian/Russian… not sure that’s hypergamy… Edit: correct "They were old" to "They weren't old", clearly, 30 isn't old in the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:12 AM
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But the men I know that married foreign wives didn’t even have that option… their exes with such miserable people… like movie villain level miserable… and they are just harmless nerds (programmers)… mildly pleasant American women had no interest (and by that I just mean someone that treated them sorta kind)…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:09 AM
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Eh I would say the gal I thinking of was plenty attractive… her teeth needed some work… but it was a huge upgrade for the dude and she’s a pleasant so, how much do you care about teeth… the Ukrainian gal is attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:05 AM
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In both the women I know had green cards when they were married… like the process took years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:02 AM
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Okay so how are passport bros different from the old mail order brides?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:00 AM
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Sure they are… they are coming with the red gowns and white hair covers… they are everywhere…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:59 AM
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Yes your theory is they seek out foreign wives because some of them are racist…. Or are they not racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:57 AM
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You’ve never heard of a Minor Attracted Person(s)? They are a minority group that is discriminated against.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:56 AM
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So that was snark on the Steinem saw that “women need men like a fish needs a bicycle”… the Two Parent Privilege is the way that progressives and liberals are trying to signal that children have equal outcomes under all circumstances when the parents are married
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:54 AM
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Pretty sure the men I know that did the mail order bride thing have a body count you could tally on one hand between the two of them… and they were both divorced… but if they would just accept a women that isn’t attractive, old, and poor they could be with a American woman… I mean granted, you would have to force the American woman to get married at gun point, but it’s just a nerd… gotta crack some eggs to make a omelette after all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:50 AM
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You just don’t understand how racist you are… with checks notes your Asian fetish…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:45 AM
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What is “their level”? This concept that some men should just accept “some combination of old, poor or unattractive” is pretty bleak. Might as well give them a blade in a warm bath.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:42 AM
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Why won’t you stay in your social class…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:38 AM
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First off… most of the passport bros I’ve heard of and the actual “mail order bride” guys I know are COMPLETE FUCKING NERDS… and I am saying this about some people I like… in one case their Ukrainian wife of 7 years would probably threaten me… but they are harmless… I could kill them with a butter knife or a paper clip… there isn’t any thought of power dynamics that goes through their nerdy heads… All this crap is projection… YOU think about power dynamics/“traditional” women and project it onto…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:38 AM
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I just think it’s funny that it’s become such an issue among a certain sect…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:29 AM
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It’s a good thing American men don’t objectify American women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:27 AM
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Why do you have something against Stella?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:21 AM
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What if they cross the southern border, is it okay then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:18 AM
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So you think it better for a starving foreign woman to starve as opposed to marrying an American nerd?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 07:16 AM
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Should people not be allowed to cross borders?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 06:54 AM
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I’m sure foreign men are scooping up American women, so it should all even out
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 06:50 AM
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The guys that married “mail order brides” that I know, are plenty attractive. You compare these gals to some of the gals here, and they are 10s… limited n number, but the beauty flaws are usually due to health care and poverty (teeth, scaring)… ect
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 06:48 AM
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Yeah, those small town white women are losers too!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 06:34 AM
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See now that’s ironic… these men feel more connected to people they can’t speak to and have no common experience with, and it all their fault. In any other circumstance this would be called victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 06:32 AM
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What a great sales pitch…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 06:02 AM
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Why would a racist marry someone they hate? And the if thats their fetish need to marry a “white” Ukrainian?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:56 AM
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Depending on the situation, we are told that American women have no agency though… what makes going to the bar in the us to pump and dump more noble than in a foreign country?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:42 AM
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Man I am super confused… so sex tourist seems self explanatory… what exactly is a passport bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:17 AM
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lol… the age of consent in Columbia is 14…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:14 AM
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K… I might be confused here are Passports Bros different than “Mail Order Brides”?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:13 AM
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So your theory is American men seek out foreign wives because… they are racist and hate them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:10 AM
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Like the French?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:10 AM
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lol… are you anti MAPS?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:06 AM
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The guys I know brought their wives back… idk if it counts
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:05 AM
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I know a few guys that got what we used to refer to as “mail order brides”. Worked out well for them for years now. One married a Ukrainian the other a Philippine. It was not an easy process. The one guy learned to speak Ukrainian(or Russian???), they dated for like two years and he traveled out there a dozen times (years ago). It was expensive, and my guess is all in he probably spent close to $100k for the service trips, wedding ect,.. She’s a nice person, attractive, and super tough… she take…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 05:03 AM
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Of course it’s subjective. And individually people make individual subjective choices… but as a group there ARE trends. If like the whole women like men with money… well duh… do all women? No. My wife made more than me when we met, wealth wasn’t her primary screen… but that doesn’t mean the women as a whole don’t like wealth and fame…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:34 AM
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See I agree with you, but this example confirms the red pill argument from the red pill perspective. I think the whole Chad idea is ridiculous… I have seen 5’ tall dudes that were rolling pennies for gas broke lane gorgeous gals… I have also seen the opposite… In my youth, I passed on a couple of women for reasons that are ridiculous (one had a super deep James Earl Jones voice, great look and kind… but I was young and dumb at couldn’t get it out of my head, for the record it was such a benign t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:20 AM
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Well as far as vava voom attraction, on some level it’s there… in the morning I open my eyes in bed and look through the gap in the closet door when she’s getting dressed before getting up… it definitely present just not as consuming… more like background music now vice a rock concert… Anyway agreed, great comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:12 AM
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Well because men father children at stupid old ages, see cult leaders with 16 year old “wives”… Don’t you think that women, as a whole, want children more than men, as a whole? In my 20s most men that I knew did not want children at the time, quite a few ever, and the ones that became fathers were accidental. It seemed men wanted sex and not kids (and to be fair my interest in kids was limited p, particularly in the short term), and it still seems that way to me… but who knows, maybe I just don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:05 AM
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Okay. Well fertility declines rapidly in a woman’s 30s. If a woman wants kids she should probably make up her mind in that time period as it goes from easy to difficult to impossible depending on the person by about 45. If a woman doesn’t want kids, that super easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:12 AM
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Sure. But the testosterone ramp for men is slower than it is for woman. And mens bodies aren’t trying to balance testosterone and estrogen… I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove, men get old? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:06 AM
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My understanding of the biological clock is that it’s shorthand for fertility. The older you are, the lower the chance of conception and carrying to term, that has nothing to do with social constructs anymore than breathing being necessary is a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:02 AM
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Ahhh… yeah mine are going to be buying Lily or Novo products soon… either way, neither are great for the body (I’d probably lean towards dying by McD… YMMV)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:59 AM
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So… he inherited either capital or part of a company? Because at 23 with base assets it’s even harder to have enough capital to generate north of $130k. When one of my companies was at its peak assets it was $2.5M and generating about $200 in profits… most of the profits went back into investments (repairs, additional purchases, partner buyouts)… I mean congrats, but that is not typical. I not sure that commitment has to do with being a Chad, that seems purely dependent on the person, but YMMV
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:57 AM
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Huh? If you are trying to insinuate I can’t get erections at 45, that isn’t one of my concerns… if you are insinuating I could get them at 25 that also wasn’t a concern… erections are far easier than dunking a basketball no matter how old you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:49 AM
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I can but before I did that I would want to read the study to see how the bias was controlled for health… vegans tend to be more interested in their health and that would need to be controlled. Also, food science is one of the worst areas of science in general, it’s really bad… the replicability issue has been bad all around, but almost none of the food stuff can be replicated and the n’s are super small so it’s hard to draw great conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:47 AM
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Sure… I agree with what you’re saying… that’s the part that’s difficult to convey because this discussion ends up taking on a personal element… I personally can look back at 25 year old me and realize I was more attractive… don’t have many, but less wrinkles, slightly better shape (I can run 20 miles + a week anymore, my knees can only handle about 10 these day)… and I’m lucky (got all my hair no grey no glasses)… but I’m certainly not better looking… and on the physical side, I used to be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:42 AM
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Men obviously don’t physically peak at 50… they physically peak somewhere around 25-30 typically… I used to be able to dunk a basketball, at 45 not only can I not do it without a trampoline or jet pack, but I wouldn’t even try because knee surgery is something I consciously try to avoid… The male peak that is always talked about has to do with income, men tend to make more money until about 50. Women also tend to make more money, but men don’t care about women’s income as much as women care abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:56 AM
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But mens is a much more predictable, womens is much less predictable and far more cyclical. Obviously sex hormones for everyone goes down.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:46 AM
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That has a much higher correlation to obesity than to eating meat… sugar and carbs replacing regular food correlated with the massive spike in obesity… trans fats are the other big issue and that comes from processed food… even fatty meat, while not ideal is way better as it increases motility/regularity. Obviously agree on circulation, but Testosterone levels are pretty darn important to the NO/cGMP production.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:44 AM
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Most of mine that don’t look great are extremely overweight. And it’s not age dependent… and it’s getting worse…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:37 AM
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Oh sure… that’s the last thing I need right now… my biggest problem is when I cycle to a fitness peak I’m pounding holes in walls… and with the wife being n a roller coaster the last thing I need is more T all the time…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:34 AM
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What you are saying proves the part of the cynical Redpill argument, that the rich chads get women… That being said what the heck career pays $130k out of college years ago? My first career was an engineer/nuclear control room supervisor and it took me years to get to a buck thirty…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:32 AM
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Once again… you reference an article that references an article with no study… the article is a reporter going “I talked to 4 people here’s what they said”… Do people even bother reading their own gotchas anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:27 AM
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Fertility is a… social construct? What isn’t a social construct?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:23 AM
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This is an article linking an article with no study… just a reporter going “here’s a couple of anecdotes”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:20 AM
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Were your parents more attractive at 25? The argument is that people are less attractive as they age, and that in particular looks are more important to men…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:16 AM
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This is actually a great point that seems ignored.. it’s men v men, women v women… not men v women… but that the whole spirit of the argument… that a woman at 25 is more attractive than she will be at 50… just like a man at 25 is more attractive than he will be at 50 (for some reason women readily admit the later but not the former)… and the edge cases of people that got super fit isn’t the argument, it’s all things being equal
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:15 AM
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The women on here today should be kind and go help those ladies out
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:08 AM
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This shows you don’t try to follow the argument… lol… and I don’t believe half the arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:07 AM
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That’s one part of the concept… women’s fertility drops off quickly after 35. Mens drops over time too, but much more slowly (or in some cases it instantly goes to zero during a 20 minute period one day)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:06 AM
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Yeah… and it’s also highly dependent on weight… hanging 200 extra pounds on a person isn’t good for anyone (male or female)… that usually the biggest factor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:04 AM
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But the hormonal changes are harder for women to overcome… when I hit the gym (I tend to get busy and slack then hit it hard for a few months, maintain for a few months and cycle) it takes 2-3 months to get back to where I was… my wife can’t do that anymore… she’s doubling effort to maintain…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:00 AM
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But these generalizations are based on theoretically lol…. When you’re just talking about an actual person, none of it applies anymore… lol…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:58 AM
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How does being a vegan help with testosterone levels and nitric oxide production? Protein helps drive those…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:56 AM
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Mens sex drive through middle age is much more consistent than a menopausal woman’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:53 AM
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Men and women age differently. I don’t actually understand some of women’s attraction at all (like to salt and pepper hair…)… Women do usually put more effort into their appearance
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:47 AM
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But 60 year old men looking like James Bond isn’t the argument… the argument is that since women don’t prioritize looks as much as men, as men age it doesn’t affect them as much… yeeeesh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:42 AM
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What do you think the average woman in her 60s looks like? It’s similar to the men…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:40 AM
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If you are talking hookups and casual sex sure… men will have sex with farm animals and vacuum cleaners, congratulations…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:37 AM
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You understand that you are the edge cases… I’m not sure why you’re arguing from the edge case… generalizations are general for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:33 AM
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Making 130k at 23 is pretty tough for anyone… that is not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:30 AM
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Let them negotiate their price… at least the first part of that discussion is unnecessary
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:28 AM
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But that is not the argument… the argument is that mens looks decline slower for various reasons, including the hormonal roller coaster that women are on. Maintaining or improving fitness is easier for men for longer… and more importantly, looks are traits that men weight more heavily than women do. I agree that fat bald men with broken dicks aren’t very appealing, hence maintaining fitness being important, hair is genetic so everyone gets what they get, now the latter if only there was some pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:25 AM
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I don’t think that the argument on “the wall” is about women’s ability to hook up or have casual sex… men will have sex with farm animals and vacuum cleaners… I would imagine most 50 year old women are upgrades…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:07 AM
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What does being a high earner have to do with marriage, except protecting assets… or are you saying that being single as a high earner is more fun? I’m not sure what your trying to say other than you don’t need to get married (and nobody needs to get married)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:55 PM
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A) Menopause hits women in their 40s, it is usually done in their 50s but can start in the late 30s. B) age is harder on women because of A). C) yes, like age 45. Observationally, it seems that woman have a harder time than men by their 40s, which I know isn’t the red pill narrative… part of the reason is men are much more likely to day younger women… younger men don’t seem to interested in older women (or maybe the other way around IDK). This isn’t new, we knew this in the 50s. The only new thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:46 PM
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Yeah, well when they are part of the equation the outcomes are poor. Hence what is now call Two Parent Privilege. But I’m told that children need father’s like fish need bicycles so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:34 PM
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But income base child support doesn’t do that… a child’s expenses don’t go up when someone gets a raise…that theory would make more sense if it was a fixed cost. The issue isn’t the idea of cost sharing, the issue is the unequal economic burden particularly when coupled with increasing salaries of one party, and the false incentive this creates for gaining custody. For example if you had two kids by two different fathers you get nearly double the money in child support… this doesn’t seem like so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:31 PM
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ahh... yes that number seems more accurate... I no longer live in a major city so in theory its cheaper where I am, but I thought I remember friends telling me $25k+ for two kids... $400/month would be wildly different. I suppose to do a more fair comparison I would need to do city income V support... but I am tired... let it be said daycare is expensive, particularly for infants. I'm not sure if your postulation is that men shouldn't complain or not... The cost of daycare is one reasons that ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 09:49 PM
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Who you choose to marry is the most consequential decision most people will make (or choosing not to marry). Although, this may be inconvenient, it hasn't changed too much over the years. The only thing that has changed is the severity of the consequences of poor choices. Men and women should be highly selective, even if they are selective for different reasons. Men complain about all the crap above. Women complain about all the crappy men using them for sex, bad sex, cheating, or being layabout…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 08:27 PM
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That daycare cost is cheap, in cities its usually much higher. Full child support in my state is 17% of income for the first child per year, assuming average salary ($50k) for both parents that would result in $718/month, with 2 children that would rise to $1,056. This would come to $12k per year plus taxes, or about $15k (with no dependent deduction, mom gets it tax free and the dependent and EIC ect...). This reduces the guys salary to $35k and raises moms to $65k plus some tax benefits. A gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 08:20 PM
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Oh absolutely... I have also seen men do "soft breakups" where they either 1) drive the other person away purposefully, 2) do something they know will end it, or 3) do some variation on ghosting... Dumping someone sucks (I mean assuming they are a good person, dumping a monster might not suck)...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:13 PM
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that's one of the ironies... I have seen women much more willing to speak up and be wrong in meetings, if they being wrong in a crowd of other people who are wrong... That is something that is truly bizarre to me... I realize that I can't win all battles, so some I choose to stay out of... but I won't just nod along when something clearly isn't right (my tactic is usually "Lets table that" or something like that if its a lost cause or not important)... Interestingly, I think it also has to do wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:08 PM
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Is that actually backed up by studies of court filings? I wonder how much that varies regionally... Also, I still think that is nuanced... I mean I saw a dude move out with his much younger girlfriend, but the wife had to file... I mean... I am not sure I would say that she initiated that divorce in any sense other than purely legalistic...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:59 PM
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So many paradoxes in life, so little time...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:56 PM
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Men never repress emotions /s Interestingly, as I age my ability to repress emotions has diminished... I am not sure why that is, but the turning point for me was right after having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:53 PM
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I think #2 is also somewhat generational... TBF, I was trained in critical operating environments where saying no was a requirement... so I often see myself now as being the only person to point out in a meeting that 2 +2 does not equal 5. Observationally, even when corrected for age it seems to me that men are more willing to do this, even when women know the right answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:49 PM
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I think you changed something, but either way right now I think we are mostly in agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:43 PM
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ummm... I think that its mostly due to it being illegal most everywhere in the US... If prostitution was legal it would be way more widespread in cliental
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:38 PM
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Okay hold on here... I think both men and women connect during sex... I think sex is important in most relationships...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:37 PM
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but even this has a lot of nuance... what does "initiate" divorce mean? Say you want to get separated? Cheat? Actually file? Secure the bank accounts? Move out? I am not sure I buy the narrative on this one any more than I buy the "40 year old women with 3 kids and 2 baby daddies that are broke can just hop into a great relationship right away after leaving you" theory... Edit: I will add that nearly all the divorces I know about where initiated by the women... but they certainly didn't result i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:33 PM
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I think that social media reinforces societal trends, and wildly overamplifies niche things... I am not sure about creating them from thin air, you might be right
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:26 PM
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One of the problems that men have (and maybe women IDK), is that romance is not buying flowers because a corporation told you too... There are a lot of men and women that don't understand that concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:24 PM
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Meh.. I am not sure where the hell I was going with this one... pretty sure I had some point, but even if I did its lost on me right now...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:19 PM
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I'm sure that you have heard that opinion from someone. I am not sure why you are projecting that on me though. I am simply commenting on the idea that a relationship can be a leaderless, rudderless vessel and that outcome is better than one with leadership... I don't think that is accurate... I believe my original comment is true, although I am not saying it applies to you. I have personally seen men abdicate leadership for various reasons, I used reliable sex as a motivator I am sure applied i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:14 PM
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I am not saying everything was better back in the days, specifically when you go back more than a few generations nearly everything was worse. I am saying that much larger portions of the population are mentally unstable than ever before, and it has nothing to do with treatment or education. If that were remotely true, it wouldn't be concentrated among the younger folks to the extent it is. Mental health doesn't get worse as life expectancy goes up, so I am not sure what you are going for there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:00 PM
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So I agree that the vast amount of available BC options is a catalyst, but its not just the pill. Condoms are highly reliable when they are properly used. I agree that if there were not reliable methods of BC, there wouldn't be as much a discussion. As far as who is telling women to fuck around, I think a better question is who isn't these days...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:56 PM
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Leadership doesn’t demand validation or submission, your odd figurative projection doesn’t match the reality of leadership… To use your gotcha example, leadership is sometimes walking in front (like when the charging up the beach on D-day), sometimes walking besides when people need support, and sometimes behind them when you know they can do it themselves… Having been a leader in many different areas of life from the military to corporate jobs to personal relationships, your example and argumen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:43 PM
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I was raised in a deep blue state and city, and it wasn’t until I listened to the oral arguments in PP v Casey in high school (on cassette tape) that I realize what abortion really was. I’m not going to repeat the nurses description of the (partial birth) abortion procedure, but it was barbaric. Politics never used to be all consuming, 15, 20, 25, 30 years ago… Back in my dating days I can’t ever remember bringing politics up… I remember discussing all manner of things, but it never really matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:33 PM
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Nobody wants to admit that abortion ends a life. It’s super inconvenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:24 PM
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Why would you think he was just a “token” as opposed to thinking for himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:11 PM
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Why would a conservative make you feel unsafe? lol… the only assumption I can make is that any challenge to your views makes you feel unsafe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:04 PM
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How is a right wing guy with a right wing girl a simp? Wouldn’t he be a simp if he was with a left wing girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:57 PM
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In 10 years Harvey Weinstein will be called conservative… Edit: this is thrown out there as a snark argument that some bad dude was on the right is not a very good argument unless you forget all the bad men on the left…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:53 PM
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They usually call themselves Male Feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:52 PM
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What philosopher is this duty based on? How can society be made to “care”? What problem has government or society solved in the last 25 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:46 PM
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Weak men hate being leaders, it’s far easier to abdicate leadership for steady sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:43 PM
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Incels are… trying to be old fashioned leaders… must be it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:36 PM
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I met my wife on eharmony 20 years ago… if it didn’t seem to work, I wouldn’t have continued to pay for it… and I pay more for dates with my wife NOW than I paid to use the site for 6 months back then (goddam babysitters cost 💲, or at least the ones that seem reasonably competent)…. Back then the cost, in comparison to other sites, was considered a bit premium…. How does tinder make its money? It looks to me like advertising and other sources (selling user data) comprise the majority of their in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:30 AM
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Society created and encouraged hookup culture, tinder and the like just exploited it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:15 AM
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Dating apps are free market where the price you pay is time… that time cost is what creates the disparate results. If all TVs were free but I had to swipe through thousands and pick only one, everyone would be getting the top end TV…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:14 AM
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Lazy men that think finding a partner can be done without any real effort, paying video games is life experience, viewing massive amounts of pornography helps them understand anatomy and induce orgasms, and comic book movies are great films worthy of intellectual discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:10 AM
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My pet theory is that men are much more likely to do a passive aggressive breakup… I.e. drive the woman to break up with him, or cheat and replace… and in both of those scenarios the relationship was not necessarily bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:05 AM
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Agreed. Part of the issue now is that huge swaths of the populace are mentally unstable…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:01 AM
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45… I asked my wife if she’s received any, and her answer was “that (Austin Powers) pic you sent me that one time”… I had to explain to her that a picture with a foreground object(s) that purposely and completely covers genitals in the background is not a dick pick… She does have the park trench coat flashing stories, but that was never social acceptable, trench coat creepers were weirdos and not common… but even that was some odd sexual fetish as opposed to advertising/a sales pitch So now I fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:53 AM
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Women don’t kill as much as men… but women kill more men than women kill women…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:47 AM
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Oh baloney… Unless I’m trying to use a Cheap Trick, that is a broad generalization at best, my opinion is that WEAK men just want to be wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:43 AM
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What a great comment… wish I had more upvotes. Regarding #2 men being disagreeable is a normal order of business… but men can have a fistfight at 4pm and still buy each other beers before happy hour ends… I have seen women hold grudges for years based on mildly mean word that they couldn’t even remember… this is also why men tend to stand up in a meeting and say “John I think your wrong because X” and nobody blinks… Regarding #3 If a man thinks he knows how to dress or know how to drive, just ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:41 AM
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In this corner we have Red Pill Man, in the opposite corner Purple Pill Woman… follow my instructions at all times, always protect yourself, no hitting below the belt… now touch gloves and let the cynicism begin!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:29 AM
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So I’m not talking to your experience here, your brief description sounds terrible. I’m sorry you had to go through that. I’m not sure domestic violence has much to do with the disparity though… men are often the abused (and I’m speaking more to physical violence here, since the psychological abuse while JUST as bad is harder to qualify), the primary difference is not in rate, but LEVEL… I.e. men put women in the hospital at a much higher rate than women put men in the hospital, but women hit me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:25 AM
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The red pill argument is that short men don’t even get baskets
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:15 AM
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This opinion of men is as cynical as the red pill opinion of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:11 AM
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If a physically attractive female reveals she’s bat shit crazy, doesn’t that change your levels of attraction? If not take them all… for the team.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:09 AM
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I completely disagree… everyone is unique obviously… but my experience is that woman take breakups harder… I can’t tell you the number of female friends in the past that were wrecks, even when the men were completely worthless
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:56 AM
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Why is falling in love with ideas more patriarchal than falling love with people?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:49 AM
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So no Digging’ Up Bones?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:47 AM
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I am friends with all my former long term girlfriends, the exceptions are losing touch/moving away. Sex with them never crossed my mind (part of the reason friendship is easy is that part is so distant), and if I thought it crossed theirs our friendships would be very very distant… If I wanted to have sex outside my marriage, why would I ruin a friendship and my marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:42 AM
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People break up for more reasons than bad sex. Men will fuck farm animals and vacuum cleaners, unhappy women are often upgrades…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:38 AM
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Most circumstances are reasons you aren’t a good match… circumstance he/ I got (someone) pregnant… yes it’s a circumstance but it’s also a sign that something wasn’t right… Moving might be the only exception, but even that is within the control of adults (they make movies about this, see Family Man).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:34 AM
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Women can’t afford to be sentimental about it… being sentimental about it means slipping up and having ex-sex… and if she is into the guy and he broke it off, the motivation may be getting back together, but it nearly always ends in more heartbreak…. If she dumped him, now she has to redump him and cut off any resulting pestering… it’s a lose lose…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:30 AM
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Yeah as much as I do agree with some of the red pills concepts as big picture items (women like rich guys, well duh), I think that woman having to filter out a sea of assholes is far more daunting than “women don’t want to date me because I’m X/Y/Z”. All I can say is it takes time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:27 AM
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Men/women that are jacking up their body counts don’t care about other peoples body counts. Most men view a woman being “easy” as a sales pitch, so the few that are shaming are easily ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:17 AM
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I’m not sure men and women are romantic in the same ways…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:10 AM
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Is this common practice now? When I was younger when you were engaging in him hijinks the goal was NOT to have cameras around, especially when the involved nudity. I feel old.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:03 AM
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Relationships and bodies are not static. Marriages change, bodies change, love changes… waiting to age to meet someone won’t stop any of the change that you will continue to go through (well… until death). He key to healthy relationships is changing and growing together, instead of growing apart. If you don’t want to date, that’s fine. You have to make the best choices you can. But it sounds to me you do want to date but are consumed with worry. Spending your 20s paralyzed by fear isn’t healthy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:38 AM
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Agreed on abused kids tend not to escape the cycle of abuse. I would add part of the reason is that the abuse is normalized. Loving wounded people has nothing to do with getting into relationships with them. There is an element of risk that goes along with getting into relationships, for both men and women. Financial risks are typically higher for men, while the risk of violence is higher for women. Even if you want to debate the risks, risks in relationships are present. Wounded people present …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:24 AM
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Debt in a divorce ends up being a screw job for the other person regardless of sex (I’ve even seen children get debt from dead patents because of some long ago co-signing thing, always a bad deal). I’m not sure I would put the blame on the courts though. I’ve seen some pretty wild debt situations too, the wildest one was driven by drug addiction. The other ones were quite a bit less severe, a couple of cases of too much shopping, and a couple of cases of just can’t budget. Some of our observatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:03 AM
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Not only did I personally see this, my wife hooked the dude up with a friend of hers that was a divorce attorney. She got the issue straightened out after a month or two. When I asked her after the fact WTF she said it was half the old attorney was incompetent half a biased judge, and that sometimes a female attorney can help overcome the bias (because a woman representing a man makes it harder to think he’s bad). I’m not saying the attorneys assessment is correct or incorrect, so who knows, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 02:13 AM
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Once again… I don’t believe in the previous arguments.. No, people date all over the spectrum. I’ve seen 10s with 2s, 3s with 9s… I do actually believe that partners attractiveness has “some” correlation. I don’t think people normally look at a dating partner and say “since I’m a 6 I have to date that person because they are a 7” I think they look at some pone and think “oh their cute” as opposed to filling out scorecards. Agree on dating apps… I think there is so little skin in the game it inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 01:40 AM
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That phrase refers to a EXISTING relationship… even if it’s with a grassy field or a castle…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:53 AM
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If I go to the mall most people are alone, or with what looks to be a friend… if I go to Home Depot it’s mainly dudes by themselves, some couples and some women… I’m not sure public places tell me anything about relationships statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:51 AM
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I forgot beach bums… I think sometimes the women know their bums and don’t care. Sometimes they know their bums but think they can change them. Agree on the common sense part.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:49 AM
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Out of court agreements are better for everyone. But that doesn’t change that the court scales are not balanced. As much as “primary caretakers” get custody, that isn’t how the statutes and rules are being interpreted and enforced, and I have too many first hand examples (even with a small number of observations first hand) that have been grossly unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:47 AM
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I think you’re probably right (or at least it’s one of the reasons). One of the things that modern people don’t want to hear is that who people choose to marry (if you choose to marry) is usually the most important decision they will make in their life (not talking about edge cases). To be fair I didn’t come to this conclusion until I was married for 10 years
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:42 AM
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That experience and wisdom can be positive or negative though, like everything else. I know this first hand as I had plenty of negative experience in life. Example, being abused for 15 years doesn't make John/Jane a better mate, it can, but it can also make John/Jane a basket case (regardless of man/women getting abused). To be clear, this comment isn't about YOU... you may have had a ton of personal growth over the last 15 years, and be a lovely person. The comment is a generalization of people…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 03:32 PM
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You are projecting. If my wife and I divorced (without any specific scenario that would cause a bias one way or another), she should get half of all of our assets (cash, house, cars, IRA/401k, business, etc.), and alimony at some rate for years (15 years married, 15 years of alimony... IDK the exact amount years/%). Without considering OUR specifics, the custody should be 50/50. There are certainly things that complicate the scenarios, as a example abuse, addiction, infidelity, and while I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 03:25 PM
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So let me reinforce that I and NOT making these claims... I am trying to make claims based on the perception of the general arguments I hear. But, the RP argument is that women can only really love the 10/10 men, their backing for that claim is based on the dating app data on who gets dates, and who has sex. I personally don't think that the interpretation of the big picture is correct. The RP argument of control when dating a "mid" or someone who doesn't have as high a SMV as you, is that she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:55 PM
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Normally, when you don't exercised a skill, trait, or muscle it shrinks... How would romantic capacity grow when not used?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:44 PM
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When I met my wife and she and I were (both) 25, we talked about careers, family, the meaning of life, what we want and didn't want out of it... Now in our 40s that's all figured out. I know plenty of shallow 40 year old women that talk about the same dumb shit that shallow 25 year old women talk about, just like I know men that haven't grown up at 40. Shallow people are shallow people at whatever age they are at, and people can certainly change and grow up, 25 years is plenty of time to have do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:37 PM
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So I am going to reply with the RP perspective as I understand it, not what I believe. Everything is a form of exchange. Sex is an exchange… at first that exchange is voluntary… then that exchange becomes transactional because she already “hooked” him, so he does the dishes, she puts out… just like if she paid him $20 for dish duty and he paid her $20 for sack duty… women don’t really love men, unless they are Brad Pitt Chad’s (or that aqua man dude if your under 30), and thus relationships are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:26 AM
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Some men want to be used. Although at times I am hard pressed to identify the user and used in these situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:50 PM
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Why is a 40 year old woman more intellectual than a 25 year old woman? It sounds like those older established women that have things figured out wouldn’t be on the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:46 PM
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Well one example is defaulting to giving women full custody is unbalancing the scales. But I know 3 fathers currently and more over the years whose kids grew up that have custody of their kids, and pay full child support and alimony to the mother because “all they want is the money”. It’s common enough that I stopped asking why the don’t fight it, the answer is always “I need to do what’s best for the children that’s the most important thing not the money” or a slight variation. Pretending like …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:15 PM
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I don’t like the itch of shaving to the skin. I just trim. The wife cycles between no hair and some. I personally don’t necessarily preferred a Bob Ross 4 inch Afro style bush, and land somewhere in between that and bare… but I also don’t care very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:59 PM
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Agreed… and I personally have gone from high attraction to low attraction very quickly for various reasons that had nothing to do with youth or beauty. My wife and I both had some attraction when we met, that ended up growing to high attraction (obviously different reasons for her/me), and spoiler alert over the few months i didn’t grow taller, make more, or become even more devilishly handsome, and she didn’t get younger or more beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:51 PM
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Oh sure, that’s nonsense. I am not sure if the RPs actually believe that as a majority, but at the very least a lot do. So why do you think that some/most/all red pill peeps believe that women are incapable of love outside “the big three”?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:42 PM
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Oh I agree… but that’s also why I don’t think it’s a science… science usually understands or determines the mechanisms… RP stuff seems more like a black box… if you give the right inputs, you get the right outputs, what happens in the box is essentially irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:27 PM
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I think I misunderstood. I was assuming that you were saying something along the lines of “if the height preference was a thing taller and taller would be better” and upon engaging my brain it seems you are saying there is no evidence taller and taller is better, just the 6ft peak… I’m not sure what the removed comment was, but I thought it affected my thought process… You win this round bluehorserunning…. But my brain has been rebooted so anything is possible next time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:21 PM
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Do men romantically love women they aren’t attracted to? Attraction is the key to romance, even if that attraction isn’t physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:15 PM
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I think there are more outcomes than that… it seems like some people use RP knowledge and figure out the game, some people take that knowledge to abuse the game, some people take that knowledge a declare the game lost… I’m sure there are other outcomes. And what would we expect when some truths without a structure is tossed out there, when the old structures are being destroyed, and the ruins seeded with obvious lies… It all reminds me of Siddhartha, but if the story ended halfway through…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:08 PM
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But it’s not just women withdrawing… it’s the court using government force to unbalance the scales, more the equivalent of them taking your dog away from you than your metaphor
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:54 PM
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What is the science behind that statistic? Women like money… obviously true and observable. But why, how much, quantity compared to looks… that’s where the “science” gets murky
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:45 PM
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You seem to equate morality with evolution. My question is if morality is simply relative to expressed genetics, why is… say rape wrong if it’s how I evolved? You are not under any obligation to answer. I was wondering what you think. (For the record I don’t believe rape is moral or acceptable)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:37 PM
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Well whatever it was in the past, it’s gotten bad and getting worse at a faster rate… and the it’s getting bad is showing how some of the dating troupes are BS (be a sensitive passive Sweater Man)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:31 PM
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If morality is evolutionary why is anything wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:28 PM
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But because these guys aren’t guided, they work themselves into the I’m not 6 feet, not making $100k, and fat therefore will die alone headspace with the conclusion of “this is the fault of women” if this was a ideology there would be some corrective penance
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:27 PM
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Part of the reason a bunch of people are discussing this though, is that since it’s not a ideology per say, that dudes that start to wrap their heads around it process themselves into the WORST possible results… I.e. I’m not 6 feet, I don’t make 100k, I’m fat, therefore I’m doomed to die a virgin… If RP was an ideology, these guys would be shuffled into a program to fix themselves (or grift them to the max)… there would also be some form of institutional, like Red Pill Studies majors
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:24 PM
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It’s such a universal truth that it’s the opening line of Pride and Prejudice… Jane Austin was just more polite and concise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:17 PM
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I would say he sounds like the expert on Jews that has never been to a synagogue… lots of those types on Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:11 PM
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How would going out in public confirm this? Most people in public are alone…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:00 PM
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Oh sure it does. That’s never debated though as the concept that men racking up notches on the bedposts was ALWAYS seen by women as a dangerous sign… this is the stuff of popular songs (sometimes in the he is dangerous context, sometimes in the he’s changed context), books, movies blah blah. The debate has recently revolved around the concept that racking up body counts may be a warning sign in women because women have been told to make up for lost generations now that there’s reliable BC. When …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:59 PM
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but women do date bums... they just don't date socially inept bums... ​ They date hot bums, rich bums, famous bums, fit bums...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:43 PM
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sure... so its started meh, then changed... I think this is how all attraction works...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:36 PM
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I generally agree that men don't control the initial attraction, but other factors can influence that attraction positively or negatively... I would assume the same is true for women with the physical aspect being a smaller portion of the initial piece or something like that..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:35 PM
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for this too be true though it would be dependent on the concept of women needing resources for offspring. Women who are not having kids are showing the same selection criteria's generally
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:33 PM
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6 feet tall is the 84% percentile though... if the theory is correct it wouldn't eliminate ALL mates...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:31 PM
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the problem on the BP side isn't "looks don't matter" though, its "Beautiful at any weight". The concept that humans should have 200 EXTRA pounds hanging off them is one of those gaslighting items... our joints aren't made for it, our muscles aren't made for it, our insulin regulating systems aren't made for it... and it certainly isn't beautiful... just like anorexia shouldn't be celebrated as our bodies are not mean to be 80 lbs. and its openings like this that allow the RP stuff of "Hey guys,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:28 PM
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The big picture categories of the SMV are pretty accurate though... Women like money.. duh... women like tall guys... sure... women like fit me.. duh... This is stuff that was unspoken common sense 30 years ago... Now it needs to be said out loud because its downplayed in the common knowledge space... I'm not sure wether terps care if the money, height, and fit attractive values are because of God or Evolutionary Psychology
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:23 PM
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are the majority of people in LTRs? I have never looked at the stats on this. If I have, I don't remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:17 PM
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I see people don't like my comment, but the concept that men will claim something and lie for advantage seems to be a foreign concept... A wolf who claims to be pro sheep has nothing to hide after all, just tell your sheep dog to clock out and let him in to the pasture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:54 PM
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No I think they hold each other to cultural expectations. Men don't care if women are wearing the latest fashion, WOMEN care if women are wearing the latest fashion. I don't work or frequent strip clubs, bottle rooms, "breastraunts" or similar environments, but I obviously acknowledge those are the edge case environments for your argument and they exist. Most work environments do not encourage "sexy" dress standards, they would be taken to court for harassment if they did. I have worked with ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:48 PM
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I mean I get "why" men lie about their height, its because they are filter out by it. That is a rational response of sorts. Just like its rational for women to lie about body counts if they think it sorts them out. Women can also lie about age... and at the very least they are usually coy about it at some point. Men can absolutely lie about salary, maybe not forever, but longer than they can about height. I would say that women lying about age and men lying about salary could be a nose to nose r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:36 PM
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But the divorces were not dead bedroom situations... The last few people I knew that got divorced still had sex (minus the one who was cheating). One of the dudes said "Sex was the only thing that we did well"... The guys that are on SSRI's with dead bedrooms have wife's that want sex, one got ED as a side effect... You are trying to conflate complicated things into simplistic representations
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:30 PM
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lol. Well I am 45 with a full head of brown hair (no salt and pepper), never had glasses, no acne, and I am not overweight in the face (aka double or triple chins)... I am pretty much deaf in one ear now though... This is amusing to me because I have never thought about how to verbally describe my face. Chadlite sounds like a material used to manufacture counter tops.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:25 PM
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similar values help create the spark
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:13 PM
2

Great comment. Also hard to admit when something like this happens to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:12 PM
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Men throw a fit and storm out in public of their fake relationships, when women throw a fit and storm out in public, they at least have real relationships. The former is confusing, with everyone looking around going huh? The later is usually more amusing, because the male partner will look around the room and realize they are supposed to leave... close their eyes, sigh and say something along the lines of "See everyone next time".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:07 PM
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and half the time its because the guy is a passive doormate...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:57 PM
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These "confessions" are not "sudden"... most are planned out weeks or months in advance...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:51 PM
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The spark is the same type of shit that makes people who are normally very calm start dickriding for their favorite celeb if they see them on default unless they actively try to play it cool This would imply that you think spark and gold digging are the same... spark is the OPPOSITE... its when people who seem logical and rational start dickriding (or... pussymounting?) the person who is broke and not famous..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:49 PM
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Yeah people that don't understand this have never said "It was like kissing my sister" or the like ...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:45 PM
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I don't think I disagree with what you said, however I would like to add one element. A significant segment of modern men are super passive (be sensitive, let her come to you)... women tend to either not be interested in men who don't have the balls to ask them out on a date (for which I think there are good reasons), OR they misread the signals of passivity and don't realize the dude is interested... Most of the friend zoning situations I see have elements of this. The "Chads" don't get friend …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:41 PM
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That may be hard to do... having super super close friendships would tend to lead toward a dating type relationship... But I think part of the gap is that men don't have the same kind of M/M friendships as W/W... which is part of the reason why M/W friendships don't replicate close W/W friendships... My wife, for example, doesn't understand how guy buddy and me are friends, have been for 25 years... roomies in college... when all we do is argue, watch TV, play sports with the kids, or break each…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:33 PM
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This kind of thing is negative and awkward for normal dudes to observe... stuff like this is the closest thing I have seen in real life to my concept of a medieval king holding court.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:25 PM
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If I was being used as a chauffer I would probably be extra obnoxious once I figured it out... so obnoxious that I was never called to do it again. ​ Haven't you ever had a friend group where members of the opposite sex were friends as part of the group dynamic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:21 PM
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Men do often lead women on in various ways, and they will have all sorts of reasons that they can continue a sexual relationship that they know they are never going to commit to because they're hot (enough). And also... I have heard this rumor that men like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:16 PM
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Is the only reason that a woman doesn't want to date a man rely on the concept of SMV? Sometimes people aren't compatible, and it has nothing to do with height, earnings, abs, attractiveness or youth...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:13 PM
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Men need romance and sex? Since when? Men WANT sex (the romance part is highly variable), but men don't NEED sex. I WANT to be a billionaire, I don't NEED to be a billionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:06 PM
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I'm sorry... I agree with what you are saying about everything other than spark... Spark is a real thing... and spark may not be the best term for the concept, but being attracted to someone is not just a checklist of things I value (and I believe this is accurate for both sexes). As George Harrison said, "Something in the way she moves... attracts me like no other lover"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:58 PM
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This... said as much in another comment, but I totally agree...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:49 PM
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because being tied to the hip when you are attracted to someone is difficult...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:45 PM
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Cute meets notwithstanding, I cannot think of a single woman that I only wanted to be friends with initially, but then suddenly developed feelings for and wanted to date down the road. There are plenty of people I wanted to date initially, but then realized it wasn't a great fit and became friends... and people who were part of changed circumstances (suddenly both single at the same time), but even then the initial attraction was still there. I think the "I then wanted more" is more often than n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:43 PM
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Yeah, the were told to be sensitive and caring, and not be aggressive and to listen until 3 am, and to not make moves... and also wear a bland sweater... maybe one earing to signal that you can be cool... and you need to be best friends first and... well blah blah blah. Thats all crap, and its one of the things the manosphere is right about... Instead of sending the wrong signals (that you want to be friends), its far more effective to say "X... you want to go out and get a drink? Great then its…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:39 PM
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Interestingly, based on observation, when this occurs in reverse (women are the party interested in a relationship), what I have seen occur frequently is the dude recategorizing her as a FWB, as opposed to a outright "not interested". I think part of this issue in the case we are discussing though is that when men are chasing after a gal that rejected them, they tend to be tied at the hip... getting together frequently, all the time... I never understand why if you were pining for someone that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:32 PM
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Honesty is probably best, but full disclosure is not necessary or advisable. Lots of situations like this in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:21 PM
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This goes back to the "whose fault is it that Lucy always pulls the football away from Charlie Brown? Is he a victim?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:14 PM
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Yeah great post... two good people are not always great for each other... I am friends with all my LTR ex's... They are good people, I mean thats part of the reason we dated, so why cut them out if you don't have too... Now, if I was the one who got dumped I wasn't necessarily showing up to a hangout with the ex the next day... but decades after the fact I now struggle to really believe that I had dated the people (it's actually funny when kids find out, there is always shock).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:11 PM
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A date isn’t a marriage proposal. It’s exploring to see if there’s potential for more and getting to know each other with intention. I just don't understand what happened to just dating...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:06 PM
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Trying to deceive and manipulate someone into a relationship by becoming their friend, and then weaponizing that friendship (if we don't date/screw I am leaving) is not healthy for anyone involved... just like using drugs and alcohol to turn a no into a reluctant yes. I understand that there are times where people become friends, and then sometime later they date... that's fine... I have seen that work out in numerous ways inside friend groups ect... but I have more often seen it used in ways th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:04 PM
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Progressives and feminists will go to meeting and complain about no "Toe Cleavage" being a restriction of their rights... Men will ask WTF they are talking about, and when they explain that its their open toes shoes show "pressed" together toes being disallowed, and something something sexism... Men, of course, don't get to wear these types of shoes (aka sandals), and are required to suppress our eye rolling and bafflement least we micro aggress... (I was a part of a meeting where this happened)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:38 PM
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There is also the whole pedo argument, because within feminist circles there is a comparison drawn being shaving down there and the way children are naturally hairless before puberty. I am not sure how much validity this holds as I haven't studied the issue... but the completely bald thing is strange to me (as opposed to trimming or shaping)... Pubic hair seems like it is supposed to be a visual signal that your looking at a adult as opposed to a child... I suppose the counter argument would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:31 PM
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Mens grooming standards have essentially disappeared... haircut, shave, shirt and tie used to be a fairly common standard with a upgrade to suit or downgrade to labor clothes depending on job... Now CEOs can be McScruff and its cool. But men aren't setting women's grooming standards, women are setting womens grooming standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:20 PM
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The is nothing more disingenuous that a "Male Feminist"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:17 PM
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I am not sure why bald pubic areas became so popular in the 90s... specifically because of what you mention.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:15 PM
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I would generally agree, and when it matters I don't think armpits are #1 on the list anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:12 PM
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At work? I have never seen a male armpit at work? Only asking because this would be the economic part, obviously beach is armpits all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:04 PM
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Sure... just like all men are 6 feet tall online... why would a man lie about his height (they ad a median of 3 inches according to the last survey that I read about)... Both men and women lie, cheat and steal to varying degrees, this is nothing new (and I am being hyperbolic...)...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:50 PM
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If women were generally lining up for me, the incels would be too busy choosing their pick of the liter... I am not saying that women NEVER pursue men, but GENERALLY men are the ones pursuing women...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:43 PM
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Based on my experience and observations, marriage is more complicated than that, and can be far more cyclical... there was no correlation between frequency/enthusiasm and chores or some other nonsense, but there certainly was with kids, or our connection... and now the roller coaster of perimenopause. But the idea that women got stuck with paychecks they aren't attracted to isn't something that I have seen without ending in divorce. All of the marriages that I know of currently that are sexless,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:42 PM
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The PPD equivalent of "Yo mamma so ugly..."? The chance that my wife would be someone's suitor is zero lol...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:22 PM
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I think I misunderstood. Apologies. You had a good post. I hate hyperbole, especially with this topic… Chads and Stacie’s… 10s and 6s… gets confusing…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:32 AM
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The idea that a virgin is ideal because she has no experience would be at odds with the ability to even BE a whore (and you would also have to pay her for sex, prerequisite and all)… how would said virgin/madonna possibly be a whore? Possession (demonic… angelic… who cares)… This falls into the Magic Dick Theory of sex… how does it work? Magic!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:29 AM
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Must be nice to be wildly wrong, proven so over and over again, and be proclaimed great…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:22 AM
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PDE5 inhibitors have proved that most ED isn’t psychological
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:19 AM
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You forgot the stuff about wanting to screw your mom in your summary… Freud was weird
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:01 AM
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Currently, in all of the sexless marriages that I know of, it’s the man on SSRIs that is the cause. See my other comment for more info, obviously observational….
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:53 AM
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So he “lost himself and his purpose” and the lack of desire is her fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:47 AM
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Modern porn is absolutely bizarre… it has more in common with Star Wars than (sexual) reality… at one point a few years ago, i had some discussions with a friend who was telling me about how it screws with your brain (and although we were discussing men, I would assume on some level it applies to women, but IDK)… the initial conversation was getting brought up to speed in the years between Playboy and Pornhub, with top searches… tentacles… alien…. incest… choking… (sex with) dead girl… half of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:42 AM
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I assume she’s making breakfast with her free hand
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:22 AM
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What’s a “high” body count? 10…100…1000?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:15 AM
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This metaphor is far more likely to apply to you than her… women’s hormonal cycles rise and fall and drive their libido/sexual experience, so to use your metaphor, meat can taste like White Castle sliders, a nice T bone (T… Bone…), or a Fillet Mignon Oscar style with a well aged Bordeaux perfectly paired… and for you, on our nice consistent testosterone drip, will just be tasting grilled burger and beer everyday (mmmm…beeeeerrrr)…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:14 AM
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Hold on… I’m 6’3… am I a Chad? (Be warned, depending on your answer you may be blocked or followed…)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:03 AM
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Why would someone holding out for “the special person” the give it up to a “below average man”? Doesn’t it seem more probable that different people place different values on prospective partners? I know I do. You show me a smoking hot “perfect 10” and I will probably be attracted to her… if learn that she’s dumb as a box of rocks, can’t hold a conversation about anything remotely interesting (The Real World is not very interesting to me in long form), and is either unstable or is super conceited…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:01 AM
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lol… this isn’t true at all… the more sexually conservative a women is the MORE selective she is… if she was less selective and going to screw the first dick that walked through the door that’s means she is less sexually conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:43 AM
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How is a virgin a slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:39 AM
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So if someone had sex with a 1,000 people over the course of a year, would you consider that a positive or negative for a long term relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:34 AM
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Ummm… at some point all women (and men) are virgins… I’m not sure there’s much correlation there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:28 AM
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Taller men can lift more weight
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:21 AM
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Umm… all you have to do is wait 30 days before you marry the hooker… paternity is the easier part, the more difficult part was always the social and health portion (anyone want a nice dose of syphilis 200 years ago?)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:11 AM
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Mary is more an impossible expectation for a man than a women… “congratulations Joseph, she’s already pregnant and the kids not yours… oh, and hands off for nine months… oh yeah… also, the king wants you dead so start running, anyway good luck”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:06 AM
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I’m sure this occurs… but the marriages I know that have issues are due to the men on SSRIs and not the women’s sex drive. I do know some lower sex marriages that probably fall into what you are describing (2/month), but the sexless ones are SSRIs…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:02 AM
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I hope my reply isn’t too graphic… Currently, every sexless marriage I am aware of is because of a husband on SSRI’s… some have gotten off, switched prescriptions, etc… and had some “recovery”… but I don’t think the general public understands how brutal SSRIs are…. Men on SSRIs may be young and reasonably healthy/fit and be unable to get an erection at 30… on buddy went to a Dr (female… because Dr female knows all about getting erections) to get help, and was told he was too young to have ED (a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:54 AM
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Your theory is a husband/SO creates MORE work in the household… this seems hard to believe, doing less than nothing is pretty difficult
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:30 AM
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Post modernism has eliminated morality and restraint. Gluttony? Big is beautiful, eat your way to being 600 pounds, your healthy at any size. Lust? Who am I to judge the love between a man and his mistress… or sheep… or underage child, he’s just a Minor Attracted Person. Greed? Greed is great… well as long as you go along with the powerful. Sorrow? That’s what Tik Tok is made for, get yours likes! Wrath? What’s the point of living if you can’t heap abuse on your enemies? Sloth? Video games, porn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:22 AM
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This should be broken up into multiple posts… too much to unpack here all in one
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 01:50 AM
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The term suitors does exist for a reason… and men don’t have suitors…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 01:15 AM
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If men wouldn’t encourage toxicity by overlooking it, it would disappear or diminish….my money is on buying them shit to use in their next only fans post though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 01:11 AM
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Oh… throughout history… I distinctly remember telling a buddy 20 years ago a girl was crazy/toxic… his response “yeah but she’s crazy hot too!”… queue limited sympathy over the years as the piper is getting paid… Little has changed other than the exact frequency of occurrence, visibility, and method of toxic expression (*cough social media *cough).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 01:08 AM
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So why doesn’t he get a passport, bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 12:19 AM
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Your post implies that most men (>50%) are aggressive abusive psychopaths… saying some would then imply only <50% are aggressive abusive psychopaths… that seems closer to the truth for me, but I suppose YMMV
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 12:07 AM
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This is the purple pill equivalent of “Yes or no, did you stop beating your wife?”. Frankly, I don’t understand the anger over rejection… Do you really want to be with someone who doesn’t love you but feels obligated? Obligated laughter? Obligated sex? Or would you rather have something reap, warts and all. Think about the big picture. Every LTR GF that I had I am either still active friends with, or am friendly but they moved away… some I dumped some dumped me… who cares? They are good people (…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 11:59 PM
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Most is an awful big net there… would saying some be too much of an ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 09:13 PM
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I disagree, my theory was shit test me early and often. Knowing you’re crazy and escaping is SOOO much easier early on… guys… count your blessings here… don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, saddle him up and ride out of town a free man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 06:26 PM
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Aren’t spite, hatred and abuse the three tenants of healthy relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 06:18 PM
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This is basically the plot of Can’t Buy Me Love, with the added twist of a Practice Girlfriend store. If you’re in a state where you need this friends or therapy will be more cost effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 05:06 PM
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My opening comments were just trying to say I have no interest in judging people, unless I am on the jury for a murder trial then I have too. Now it took me a few minutes to I read through your study, and it doesn’t say exactly what you think. The sexual satisfaction results only had a (small) negative correlation when corrected for marital happiness… without that they had a small positive correlation. The “short term” partners only counted as a partner if it was literally a one night stand (sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 05:06 AM
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I’m sure it affects women too, observationally I would agree “It’s just affecting women less”, but haven’t done any real study on it… Observationally, my male friend group seemed smaller but tighter knit than female friend groups, I still have extremely close friends from HS, college, ect. that have “reunions” (since we are scattered). I talk to 25 year old men and they have… Xbox friends… people they have never actually met, not people they know and play games with now because of life changes… …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 04:15 AM
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Huh? I don’t have to be okay with anyone’s non criminal behavior… I don’t walk through life think men are worthless and disgusting… People satisfied with their sex life cheat MORE? That seems odd. Why would I base anything in my personal life on statistics instead of the people I deal with? It seems like my comment was an unintended Rorschach test.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:37 AM
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Your fact sheet references fact sheets. I will reiterate, more rapes take place in (male) prisons by rate than anywhere else in the United States. Your 1 in 5 statistic is based on surveys that do not ask about rape, not criminally reported rape. Counties cannot restrict travel it would never be upheld by state court much less federal. States cannot restrict interstate travel. Show me prosecutions. IVF was just codified in a (red) state in response to a court ruling… which is the right way rathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 03:16 AM
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Men are far more likely to be raped than women. The highest rates of rape occur in prison, not a college campus. The idea that pregnant women can’t travel is bizarre… if you believe that you’re living in your own dystopian fantasy. Rape is frequently prosecuted, outside of men in prison nobody cares about them. What bills have been passed limiting birth control? Griswold is the current president, and there are no cases on the horizon to challenge it. You are pretending to live in the Handmaidens…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 02:13 AM
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Although slightly off topic, there is a completely separate issue among men that has to do with dwindling social circles (non-dating/sexual)... and this is where I am guilty as charged, but it used to be that dudes did stuff together... even simple crap like watching a football game... for me personally, kids took up a bunch of time when they were little, and a few other issues had me give up some hobbies that tended to be social... but it seems like the clubs and social situations that men freq…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 10:51 PM
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It’s been 20 years since I used a dating site (back in the stone ages before apps)… back then I used to meet someone about once every week or two… screened a lot of people out (and I sure a lot of people screened me out)… at the time the site had more women than men, and it cost less for men to use for women (although it screened people and rejected a higher % of me upfront). Some meeting were coffee for 30 minutes, some were dinner dates, some were a couple drinks, whatever… there was never thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 07:07 PM
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Umm… yes in the dress sense, no in the drugging women and raping them sense… There was this whole era in the 90s/00s where men were encouraged to be more sensitive and caring and blah blah blah… bland sweaters peaked during this time (as opposed to the ugly sweater 80s). This is a known historical fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 05:55 PM
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Sure… but that kind of stuff has so much interaction it’s great for everyone… if I was socially awkward learning to say “nice catch Sharp_Engineering” would be a heck of a lot better for personal than swiping on some app… I think one of the huge issues is that people, mainly men, think that they can just skip all that development with some kind of gamification.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 05:49 PM
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Didn’t it used to be called MGTOW?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 04:38 PM
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Yeah the end of the Sweater Man era was detrimental… nearly everything I learned about women, sex and relationships in the 90s was wrong and damaging…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 04:32 PM
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This… boys, who should be men, are shifting between video games and porn hub instead of engaging in the world…. And I’m not saying you join a golf league to meet women, join it because you want to golf… but the more you engage with the world the more opportunities present themselves… hell you might find a golfing buddy with a single sister (and after a few rounds of chat get a setup)… or maybe you just join a foursome with a cute gal and play a round with decent conversation… better than sitting…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 04:28 PM
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Willingness to have casual sex with a high number of partners is a “character thing”. Whether that’s a character trait that you admire or not is up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 04:13 PM
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What do you mean by “men are the default gender”? Women are and have always been the sexual gatekeepers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 04:06 PM
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Why would I not care about here things? I care about them for my kids (boys and girls), my wife’s, my friends and family and even my sake…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 04:03 PM
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Are you a figure skating judge or something? What in the hell is a situationship… this sounds like a cross of a NBC Olympic broadcast and a Babysitters Club book. Statistical analysis and assigning terms to concepts can be helpful in macro, but not when it’s your life and real people… “A 6/10 woman complains”… huh, if you’re interested in a woman date her… if your not don’t date her (you can probably accomplish this by telling her she’s a 6/10, that should end her interest pretty quick). If your…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 03:47 PM
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By and large though, the young boys shooting up schools narrative is a bit of a stretch... the vast majority of multiple victim shootings are related to gang violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 03:51 AM
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