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Lol, solipsism at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 08:50 PM
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Depends on how hot she is. What a way to go lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 06:46 AM
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There are women who engage in casual, because they enjoy it. Why else would they do it? But we're getting far off topic. I think we can leave this as agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 09:34 PM
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So of course you want to have sex! That’s what good sex is all about – desire, connection, and appreciation for another human being. Yes, it can also be about love, but it doesn’t have to be. The barrier the widow faces in having sex is her own internal struggle with grief and guilt. To find a sexual partner would be fairly trivial once she has processed her grief and given herself permission to move on. She can then enjoy the positive traits that come with the experience (desire, connection, ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 09:03 PM
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That's what this discussion is about though? The widow in the article wanted to have sex. If you're traditional and don't believe in having casual sex, that's fine. Although, both women and men turn the lack of sex into anger and frustration. Guys who have rejected girls know the experience. The difference is that most women can satiate their sexual desires fairly easily, so they're not represented much in the discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:43 PM
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I don't think that's the narrative that men have. Rather it's the frustration that there is no simple way to satisfy the need for intimacy and human desire in the same way women have. Consider this hypothetical. If an average woman just wanted to have no strings attached sex, what advice would you give her to get that? Assume that the sex is consensual and pleasurable. On the other hand, what advice would you give an average man in that exact same scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:27 PM
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Average unremarkable body, face, height, etc. Not rich or have any status Have limited life, dating or relationship experience. Struggle socially None of these are indicators of relationship quality beyond shallow, short term pleasure traits. We can check by reversing all of them to see how it would effect relationship quality. Attractive body, face, height, etc. Rich and have high status Abundant life, dating, and relationship experience. Socially graceful All of these are nice traits to have i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 02:37 AM
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That's not what I said. You're being intentionally obtuse, so I won't engage further.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:19 PM
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Yeah, I thought that's what you implied. But "invaluable" means the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:25 PM
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That's not what I said. I said it could contribute to a decrease in slut-shaming in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:23 PM
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If there was a societal shift to women being proactive in initiating romantic interactions, I believe that would also result in a decrease in the level of "slut-shaming" in society. The concept depicts women as passive entities that men act upon, and uses misogynistic analogies like "lock and key". If women were more seen to be taking initiative and pursuing the men they wanted, then they would be viewed as having more agency in dating, and the "slut-shaming" concept breaks down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:59 PM
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You're likely using the word "invaluable" incorrectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:42 PM
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That response is pseudo-sociological garbage that acts as if history began in 1950's middle class America. It puts all the onus and agency on men, while depicting women as passive creatures that are just smart, well-intentioned, and discerning. No, women are just as shitty and good as men. Historical period and location matter for context. Committed relationships becoming less common in developed countries in the modern era is not due to women having more capacity to be happy alone compared to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:04 AM
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Everyone has yes's, no's, and maybe's. But from my perspective, men have far more yes's compared to women, but women have far more no's and maybe's compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:46 PM
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I think men and women view accomplishments similarly, but the manosphere guys make it seem as if men don't care at all. If you met a man who you weren't attracted to, but found out he was a doctor, would you then find him attractive? I'm assuming you wouldn't. But if you already found him attractive, finding out he's a doctor [or whatever other accomplishment you hold in high regard] would make him more attractive to you. The same holds true for guys. Perhaps the difference lies in that the perc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:00 AM
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The acceptable number depends on the man. Men who are only able to have sex in a committed relationship will be far less likely to want to date a woman who has had casual sex regularly. A man who has had plenty of casual sex is likely not to care as much. Then there is everyone in between. But perhaps you're asking rather, "Why do men care so much about n-count?" I believe the reason is the way heterosexual sex is portrayed in our culture. Men taking the lead, penetrating her, dominating her, us…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:35 AM
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It's about dominance. Let's be frank, people in western countries aren't having tantric, slow, measured sex. There's the aspect of power and domination from the man, the catharsis a woman feels by allowing herself to be fucked. Now obviously there are degrees to this, and not all sex is like that. But what man wants the details of how his girlfriend's friend fucked her? Why would he want to be around a man who did that to the woman he deeply cares about? It's also not even really about sex. If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:26 AM
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Any problems that men have are not caused by "women". The problems men face are either at the hands of individual men/women or are structural problems that emerged in society. You're doing exactly what I said in the previous paragraph, framing "men" and "women" as separate classes that act upon each other. That's not how reality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 10:20 PM
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I think the ubiquity of modern dating apps where physical looks take priority over everything else and the near infinite number of choices led to this dating market. It's a bit like choosing a restaurant to go to based on best decor and aesthetic without considering how the food tastes until after you get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 09:33 PM
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I see the way you structure your arguments is to take whatever existing issue woman have and frame it in a "men oppressing women" way, where the class of "men" represents society as a whole, and therefore anyone one that falls into the class of "men" is accountable for the oppression women face. On the other hand, any issue that largely affects men is not as important to you, because you view the class of "men" as oppressing themselves, since your worldview projects the class of "men" as represe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 09:01 PM
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But 99% of men wouldn't date just any woman. Even a normal, average looking woman wouldn't be able to get a date with all of 99% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 05:22 PM
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Wtf, no
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:44 PM
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I disagree, 20 year old me would have been mightily happy to sleep with a hot 40 year old woman. Probably even a hot 50 year old woman. For sex, I don't care about her age as long as I find her attractive. This probably applies to most men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 06:35 AM
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I'm a guy in my twenties. I don't think women in their 40s are old or gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 06:23 AM
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Average childcare is not $612/week unless it's for an infant in Manhattan. Average childcare for an infant is half at around $300/week and for a preschooler, its around $150/week on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 05:57 AM
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Most men are attracted to that type of older woman. For example Sandra Bullock, Salma Hayek, Monica Belluci, Marissa Tomei, Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez, Rachel Weisz, Ming Na Wen, Winona Ryder... there's so many, I wouldn't be able to list them all. And all of these women are in their 50s and are celebrities. There are countless more beautiful non-celebrity women in their 50s. Now that doesn't mean a 25 year old guy want to marry these women, but a significant percentage of all men find these wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 10:48 PM
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Do you not intend on getting married when you're older?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 09:14 PM
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You are assuming that women as a collective have the same self-interests. Women are just as varied as men and have competing interests amongst themselves. It's only been fairly recently that "women" have been classified as a ubiquitous class that have common drives. Women have historically held more in common with the men of their same social class than women of other classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:30 PM
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This was almost 20 years ago. Dating has changed significantly during that time. Also, Norah Vincent is a white woman and 5'10".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:02 PM
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I agree. It's difficult to quantify degrees of difficulty. Many men and women lack empathy for the issues the opposite gender faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:59 PM
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Online dating, even dating in general, was pretty different almost 20 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:49 PM
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I disagree with your premise. "Men" haven't created any definitions of femininity, it's segments of society that define them as a whole. If one segment paints femininity as “vulnerable, docile, submissive", this does not mean that men as a whole created that definition. There are women and men that played a part in assigning those traits. The same goes for "empathy, patience, sensuality, thoughtfulness". Men and women (society) contributed to aligning those traits with femininity. The expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:41 PM
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Yeah testosterone is one hell of a drug
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:24 PM
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To be fair, you can just send emojis as replies to a guy and he'll likely still want to sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:17 AM
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As an example, take applying to jobs vs recruiting. A person who has a lot of recruiters reaching out to her has power in that she has choice in the employer she ends up having. The recruiter is taking an active role to initiate contact. Whereas if someone is applying to jobs, he may have to apply to dozens of places before getting an interview. The job-hunter must initiate contact, which allows the employer to choose amongst the applications sent to them. "Passive" should not imply weakness. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:21 AM
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Without any other information, no I wouldn't feel insulted. But if I found out she viewed me as someone that would be a good husband, so she wants to take things slow, but had previously had casual sex with guys right away, then I would be insulted. However if she wanted to take things slow, but had not previously had casual sex right away, then I would not be insulted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:51 PM
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As all things, it depends. A young man doesn't want to be the guy waiting until after she's had several casual sex partners. The ideal scenario is having casual sex when you're young and then finding a woman you can build a life and family with once you're older.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:48 PM
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Yeah, there is a more nuanced discussion to be had about sex. The psychology of being the "penetrator" vs "penetrated" and why that's the common way of describing heterosexual sex, rather than "enveloper" vs "enveloped". I believe part of it stems from men more commonly being the ones to pursue and initiate sex, whereas women are often choosing from the options presented to them. The men's role is viewed as active, the women's as passive. All of the things you stated are true regarding how women…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:57 PM
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The reason is because in most of society, it's far easier for women to find sexual partners compared to men. So when some women are more open to having sex more quickly, she is "easier" to have sex with. Men, on the other and, are all considered "easy" in any context for a woman to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 05:57 AM
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To be completely honest with you, I think it would suck to be in your position. Being a virgin in your 30s probably feels isolating and makes you wonder what's so wrong with you that you ended up here. You may feel like you missed out on a lot of important life experiences, and when people act as if your situation is not that big of a deal, it goes completely against how you feel. I can understand why you're starting to hate women. You have all of pain, and obviously you don't want to direct it …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:04 AM
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Most people don't have issues with your example. The problem arises when some women disparage a 25 year old guy dating a 19 year old, because "she can't imagine dating someone that young" or "what could they possible have in common, they're at two different life stages".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 03:51 PM
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I would argue that all the women you mentioned in one of your paragraphs (Kylie Minogue, Monica Belucci, Mila Jovovich, Ivana Miličević) would have no issue attracting teenage guys and guys in their 20s even today in their 40s and 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 07:40 AM
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Another reason it matters to a lot of guys is because most relationships are monogamous. A guy can't increase the number of sexual partners he has once he's in a monogamous relationship that he wants to last. So if a woman has had far more sexual partners and wants monogamy from him, he won't ever be able to experience the same breadth of sexual experience that she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 07:14 AM
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I think one reason it matters to a lot of guys is because most relationships are monogamous. A guy can't increase the number of sexual partners he has once he's in a monogamous relationships that he wants to last. So if a woman has had far more sexual partners and wants monogamy from him, he won't ever be able to experience the same breadth of sexual experience that she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 07:12 AM
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This phenomenon doesn't exist in a vacuum. The people most likely to be in single-parent households are single heterosexual women. Saying "a man isn't necessary" is pointless, because a good father is the only person who could take on the role in households with only single mothers. There aren't high numbers of LGBT households that have single parents, because they're unlikely to have an unplanned pregnancy in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:52 PM
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You're saying a man isn't necessary. But who else is going to take on the role of a second parent with heterosexual women? I don't think LGBT households are the issue at hand here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:38 PM
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Who do you think is going to take on the role of a second parent with heterosexual women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:19 PM
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What's your point? Heterosexual women aren't going to start partnering with other women. We can't just give enough money to fatherless households to fully replace that income. Society can't provide socialization or affection that replaces a second parent. Not to mention the things boys and girls need to learn from their father about how to navigate the world. All in all, a significant percentage of men need to be better humans and raise the children they created. A significant percentage of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:17 PM
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I think a better analogy is women who complain about "pretty privilege" but will never be attractive enough to get those benefits. Women who are pretty and beautiful can get absurd benefits with very little effort. Stories of women living in large cities for no rent, going to yacht parties, never paying for drinks, paid to go to clubs, meals paid for, free services, etc. These women tend to be young, thin, and naturally pretty. Average looking women who complain that society needs to change, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:22 PM
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Not for nothing, but the twins on that real-estate reality tv show "Selling Sunset" are 5'3", bald, and in their 40s. They've figured out how to make themselves attractive to women. But they are jacked, have good money, and seem very confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:34 PM
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There are a confluence of factors. You can't boil it down to just men on average being physically stronger than women. Other factors include women being the gender that has a 100% certainty that a child is hers, women having lower testosterone levels which leads to less aggression, contraception not being as reliable for most of human history, pregnancy making women reliant on others for a period of time, etc. We also often miss that even though the group of people that hold most of the social, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:03 AM
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Sure you can. Most human communication and social cues are nonverbal. How someone carries themselves even if you aren't looking at each other says a lot about their confidence, maturity, class, style, who their with, etc. You can discern far more information about someone from observing them live compared to a still photo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 04:46 PM
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I disagree with the guy above. This situation parallels a FWB situation where the girl wants more and tries to do girlfriend stuff with the guy without explicitly saying she wants to be more than FWB. The initiator has to communicate that they want more from the other person. You're not in the wrong for accepting his ride offer, and he's in the wrong for communicating to offer a ride as a friend, rather than as an expression of his romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 06:10 AM
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There's no need to make personal attacks. Please be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:01 AM
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Yet the equivalent is a man putting high effort into dates with a woman he just wants to fuck and low effort into dates for a woman he wants to be in a relationship with. Which amount of effort do women prefer in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:35 AM
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The hypocrisy comes from wanting to portray herself as what she perceives as his view of "gf material" (a girl who doesn't have sex on the first date) vs her actions (sleeping with a guy that she doesn't view as bf material on the first date). She is intentionally trying to frame herself as someone who doesn't participate in the behavior she already did. That is the hypocrisy: acting in a way to mislead the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:20 AM
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But the post didn't say a relationship, it just said "fucking". So I don't really see a problem with either unless they're manipulating them in some way or if you think there's something inherently bad about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:13 PM
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Desire being at the root of all suffering is literally Buddhism lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:14 AM
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Sex with prostitutes tended not to be socially acceptable and was done in relative secrecy. Those men were still were pushed to find wives and be in committed relationships. Though in modern times, men and women can have sex outside of committed relationships. So men and women aren't pressured to get married young, men don't need to sneak off to a brothel, and people can hold off commitment until their 30s or 40s, which is especially common in areas that have high levels of casual sex (usually b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:33 AM
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Obviously women are going to hold off on sex if they want a relationship in order to abide by the rules that men created. Just want to point out that men didn't create these rules. Societies created them, which are made up of both women and men. In fact, I would argue that these rules benefit women in relationships more, since it incentivized men to seek out relationships. Now that sex outside of relationships is normal and not taboo, fewer men feel the need to commit until they've "sowed their …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 05:33 AM
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You see no difference between in-person prostitution that requires actual risk, effort, and interacting with a human being in-person and OF where people just need to put some credit card information to get pictures, videos, and inorganic text communication to satiate the human need for connection and intimacy? Welcome to the Metaverse, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 09:47 PM
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I too make life altering decisions on the writings of psychology students.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 02:24 AM
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I'm speaking of mindset, not material reality. Do you believe women are desperately searching for their next sexual partner the same way many men are? Also, it would be fairly trivial for a woman to sleep with one of her male acquaintances, which removes much of the fears you mention. A man trying to sleep with one of his female acquaintances would likely not have as easy a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 07:09 AM
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I believe it comes from a mindset of sexual abundance vs sexual scarcity. Most women never experience feeling sexual scarcity since it takes very little effort to find a sexual partner (sexual abundance). Whereas it takes far more effort for a man to find a sexual partner (sexual scarcity). If a man has few sexual partners, and meets a woman that sleeps with him right away, he is not going to want to commit to her, since she has likely had far more sexual partners and experiences than him. Altho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 09:07 PM
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Who decided these social rules? Makes no sense that you can literally fuck someone, but god forbid you hold hands unless you want to commit to her. Fucking is the most intimate action you can do with someone. Humans are allowed to do whatever they want as long as its consensual, and nothing is reserved for certain people anymore. That's the society we've created, and we have to live in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 07:36 AM
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Yeah, it was one of the more nuanced posts here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:40 PM
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That could very well be true in your social circles, but looking at actions and outcomes, it just isn't common enough behavior to say that the majority of women sexually prefer younger men. There's always more younger men pursuing older women for sex than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:40 PM
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Why was this post removed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:28 PM
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I think you're trying to shoehorn the idea that "women are just the same as men". Those scenarios you mentioned are outliers and not common at all, except for those that are chronically online where sensationalism and pornography is the norm. Sure, some women are predisposed to be attracted to younger men, but the vast majority prefer guys their age or older.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 08:05 PM
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But then why don't single women in their 40s lust after men in their 20s in the way older men do with younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 06:57 PM
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But that's why it's an attractive trait, right? It's a positive trait that is difficult to achieve, which communicates your competence as a human being to others. That competence would likely translate to other areas of life. Being a good follower is also a trait that is good to have, but I don't think women are attracted to it. But maybe men are attracted to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 05:45 PM
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This is true
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 10:16 PM
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Is this a bad thing or just how it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:04 PM
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Well, what constitutes a great argument is a social construct. What you define as a great argument may not be great to someone else. But also, the concept of a social construct is a social construct. The boundaries we place around the definition of this term are arbitrary and subject to debate. Boundaries are actually also a social construct. There is no actual hard distinction between two atoms that are next to each other, it's mostly empty space, and even what makes up the atoms is mostly empt…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 11:20 PM
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There are men who want relationships with one woman, but you have to sift through the masses to find them, and they're usually off the dating market by their mid-thirties. That's the difficultly women have when it comes to dating and relationships. Women don't "hit the wall" when they enter their thirties, the vast majority can be just as attractive as when they were in their twenties if they take care of themselves. However women's dating prospects become more difficult due to the relationship-…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 03:52 PM
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You're looking at it from a female perspective as to why a woman would want to have sex with a bunch of different men. Most women don't understand male sexuality. From the onset of puberty to sometime in the mid to late twenties, the vast majority of men have sex drives that generate the desire to sleep with as many women as possible. This tempers a bit as we get older and mature. Maybe this analogy would help. Have you ever been on a long car ride and desperately had to use the bathroom. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 10:32 PM
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FYI, I don't think 30K a year is even $15/hr, which is minimum wage in a lot of states.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 09:41 PM
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The quality of guys is probably lacking, because there's no filter for those kind of traits. When you meet someone in person, it's often through friends of friends or shared social activity. There's a subtle screening process that has already occurred in people's minds when they meet someone that way. With online dating, a person has to convey who they are with a couple pictures (sometimes even with just a single picture) and a bio. That's far more difficult to do, and those that have physically…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 03:20 PM
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It's interesting that something the majority view as positive also has significant social ramifications that can potentially be civilization-ending if not addressed. Also, your post seems to imply that I think women should have remained subjugated without the same opportunities as men. I wholeheartedly disagree with that, I want women to have the same opportunities that men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 05:34 AM
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I'm not against women's rights, but it is interesting that a byproduct of women being educated, having access to birth control, and entering the workforce was a massive decline in birthrates with many countries seeing their populations cut in half by 2100. If you consider your population being cut in half being the downfall of your civilization, I suppose it applies. That being said, I think we may find a technological or cultural solution in the future, but I don't believe subjugating women is …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 04:57 AM
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How many "hiking" dates this year ended up deadly anyway? Do you have that number?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 04:41 PM
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Lol, my comment was meant to be humor, but I personally don't care about women's height, whether she's taller or shorter. Of course there are men that do care about a woman's height, but studies seem to suggest that it is a trait more important to women than to men. There isn't too much data, but one showed that about half of women needed a man to be taller, whereas about 14% of men needed a woman to be shorter, which is far from the "every woman wants a man 6-ft or taller" hyperbole espoused he…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 08:36 PM
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No, because men want women shorter than them Speak for yourself, I want a 6'2" volleyball goddess
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 05:21 PM
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Federal Reserve Act of 1913 allowed banks to give out loans denominated in USD by having an account at the Federal Reserve. Previously, many banks had their own currencies that could be exchanged for gold, so the limiting factor was how much gold the banks held. Banks are the entities that create money in the economy, so after the Federal Reserve Act all that money issued by banks was in USD, but still limited by gold held by the US gov. The US went off the gold standard temporarily during WWII,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:37 PM
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Not to mention that $50,000 income must also be after federal and state income taxes. You also need to save about $8400 a year to have a safe retirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:27 PM
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Throughout human history most women haven’t had a choice in who they fucked. That's a common misconception. In reality, women had far more power historically than people realize. I don't know how this meme than women had no sexual agency in the past spread.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:55 AM
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Men hit on younger women because they find youth to be a very attractive trait. It's not the only trait that men find attractive though. Why are the women here always say that they're "disgusted by the old men" when describing men in their 50s, 40s, and sometimes even 30's. You realize by calling those men disgusting by virtue of their age, you're calling their female counterparts disgusting as well due to their age? Women in their 30's, 40's, 50's, even 60's can be beautiful if they take care o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:36 AM
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Hmm, I think this opinion sounds all well and good by itself. But would you say men's feelings are valid as well? Men who consider themselves red pill or black pill? Men who have certain feelings about "slutty" women? Men who have feelings about a woman's place in society? I would say that many of the feelings of the men in those examples are not valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:48 AM
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I don't mean by force, people would self-adjust to get what they want. The fact that it isn't happening points towards deeper issues in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:57 PM
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I agree, a lot of people see this societal phenomenon in black and white, either blaming men or blaming women. If it were that simple, the fix would be fairly easy by just having people adjust their own behavior, and we wouldn't be having this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 09:26 PM
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Sex requires human-interaction, which is something young people want less of. Netflix, youtube, tiktok, reddit, etc are all risk-free rewards for the brain with very little effort required to acquire. Couple that with Coronavirus to justify to oneself that avoiding human interaction is a benefit to society, you have the perfect storm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 07:39 PM
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I think it's people being viscerally scared that you can still get dumped even if you didn't do anything wrong. That's a very good point. The people who were disproportionately angry at OP were likely projecting themselves onto the girlfriend who would be broken up with through no fault of her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 05:28 PM
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The question one should ask is whether sexual harassment and abuse is perpetuated by the majority of men, since the majority of women have experienced it. Or is it a small minority of men who are repeat, lifetime offenders? My money is on the latter, but unfortunately there is no simple way to distinguish these men, other than the most obvious cases. Historically, the the solutions societies offered severely restricted women's freedom and movement; just take a look at conservative Muslim societi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 03:34 AM
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Only switch genitals and who has babies between genders, while keeping everything else the same and see what happens to society. What happens when men must worry about getting pregnant. What happens when women must now be the penetrators. Do they pursue men more aggressively?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 11:14 PM
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society has a lesser need to support and enforce mate selection, pair bonding, and family/community development. I agree, these things are neglected because they don't increase GDP in the short term. In the long term, the mental illness, population cliff, and atomized individuals not wanting to contribute to a society will lead to significant GDP decreases. But it's like climate change, we humans just don't think long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 06:06 AM
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Come on, we both know that's not what slut-shaming is. Slut shaming causes women to internalize shame about their own sexual desires. It creates the madonna-whore complex in society, women who view sex as something they give to a man instead of a mutual interaction, a society that frames women who pursue sex and relationships as less than. Though I understand your interpretation is meant to be an attack on some of the men that frequent this subreddit based on their viewpoints. But yes, there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 02:28 PM
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I think its functionality was more useful when we were living in tribes. Or maybe it's a byproduct of social conditioning. Who knows? Either way, I think a lot of men assume women have satisfied their own sexual exploration, so they end up feeling like they have to catch up with sexual experience before entering a committed relationship with one girl. I think that's partly why so many men have a hard time committing in their 20s and 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 10:40 PM
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I think men and women view this topic inherently differently. Of course, it doesn't apply to every man or every women, but it seems women don't care about body count on average, whereas more men care on average. It's likely due to male sexual scarcity and female sexual abundance. If men had the choice to have sex with as many partners as they liked whenever they liked, men would probably not care about body count either. I try not to judge, but I have observed the mental feeling I have if I lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 10:25 PM
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This is bordering on slut-shaming if you gender-swapped the statement I just wouldn't date cock obsessed girl who doesn't understand the difference between lust and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 10:14 PM
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It's their personalities and their lack of integrity, trustworthiness, empathy and utility. These traits or lack there of are distributed fairly equally between men and women. No need to single out men for lack of these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 08:53 PM
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Ah okay, are you part of a large Ukrainian community, or a community of people of varying ages? I ask because I'm from the US, but of South Asian descent. In my culture, family is very important, and raising kids comes with that. Grandparents, aunts, uncles, and close friends all help raise kids, which does help take some of the burden off parents. I've noticed that in a lot of developed, Western countries, parents usually raise kids on their own, and supplement that by paying for childcare or g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 08:04 PM
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What culture are you from, if you don't mind me asking? I assume you're from the US, UK, or Australia, but what is your background?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 07:47 PM
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By the past, are you only referring to 18th century Victorian England?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 10:19 PM
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I don't think older women are interested in younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 05:13 AM
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The first two points disproportionately effect black American men, which has led to an interesting gender dynamic in the black community. The percentage of black American men that make suitable partners is significantly smaller than the percentage of black American women. This results the gender dynamics often seen on college campuses with high female to male ratios, where short term relationships are more common than long term relationships, so one-parent household become more common. A two-par…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 05:10 AM
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Understandable, but I think you acknowledge that it wasn't sex that was difficult to find, but a boyfriend. And likewise now, casual sex would be fairly easy for you to find. And I think that's the discrepancy, for many guys, sex and relationships are both difficult to find at any age. Hence the insecurity that emerges from a sexual scarcity mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:00 PM
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Sexual scarcity vs sexual abundance is also the reason too, I imagine. Your lack of partners was more or less a choice, so you're within a mindset of sexual abundance. You know you could download a dating app, go to a bar, or contact a male acquaintance and have sex fairly easily. For men, sexual scarcity is the more common mindset, since having sex requires more time and effort, if sex is going to be had at all with that time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:29 PM
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Yes, I don't think men know what it feels like to receive unwanted sexual attention at that age, so it's difficult for us to empathize since we often don't know about it unless a woman tells us what she experienced at that age. I still think it's a minority of men who do that though. As girls enter puberty and begin developing primary and secondary sexual characteristics, there's probably a point where she begins to receive unwanted sexual attention, and it sucks that it happens. Nevertheless, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:18 PM
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I think the difference is in male and female sexuality, as well as the change in gender dynamics between men and women over the past few decades. You don't see a lot of 30 year old women attracted to 21 year old men, whereas the opposite happens quite often. A fairly safe assumption we can make is that a 21 year old woman will have far more options for dating partners than a 21 year old man. However this changes over time and becomes more or less equal around 28 to 32. That increase in potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 04:48 PM
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This is a small part of the internet that attracts neurotic individuals who obsess about the opposite gender and try to generalize traits and behaviors as if we're all the same. Humans are diverse, they vary from culture to culture. All you're going to find here is arguments and insults, because it's the internet and people don't talk to each other as they would in real life. If you're developing your ideas on "what men are" from a couple of text posts on the internet from strangers, you're not …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 04:28 PM
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I don't agree with the guy, but older women are getting more representation in media. In the new spy movie "The 355", almost all the women are in their 40s. Monica Belluci was a Bond girl in her 50s. There are plenty of older women who are beautiful. For men, youth is a trait that is attractive. It's not the only trait, but it is found in pretty much every culture. That doesn't mean that as women get older, they become less attractive, because there are other attractive traits one can have besid…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 04:13 PM
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If you're actually 16, you shouldn't be on this subreddit. It's going to mess with your head, this subreddit isn't indicative of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 04:04 PM
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Referring you to this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qc6x0s/what\_are\_the\_ways\_in\_which\_women\_enforce\_toxic/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 03:46 PM
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The duality of man, striving for both self-actualization and their base desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 02:47 AM
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Yes there is. The average woman can find casual sex fairly easily, whereas the average man would have to put effort comparable to dating the woman he wants a LTR with. That's why men on average operate from sexual scarcity whereas women operate from sexual abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 08:06 PM
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It seems men and women view this from two different perspectives. I think women are approaching it from a perspective of sexual abundance, whereas men are viewing it from a perspective of sexual scarcity. If sex is something you can easily have, then obviously you're not going to care if your dates are having sex with other people, but not with you, because you can easily find that somewhere else. However, if the only way you can have sex is with significant time and emotional investment into a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 06:23 PM
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Yeah, I would agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 03:32 PM
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It's not shallow, physical attraction is important in a relationship. Women on average don't find youth an attractive trait, whereas men do. It's not the only trait men find attractive, and an individual 40 year old woman can be more attractive than an individual 25 year old woman, but on average younger woman are more physically attractive. That doesn't take away from the positive traits older woman have, which likely is more maturity and confidence in herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 03:14 PM
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Ana De Armas is number 1 in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 04:25 AM
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She's like Megan Fox, I understand she's attractive, but I'm not attracted to her. She's more like a decoration.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 04:24 AM
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Scar-Jo has that girl next door look. I wouldn't call her ugly at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 04:12 AM
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I think women are drawn to some of the androgynous features of those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 04:09 AM
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Feelings of happiness come from your hormones. If you take care of your body physiologically and psychologically, you will be happy, if your definition of happy is a sense of contentment. If your definition of happy is a type of high, those are short-lived, and eventually you crash as your hormones return to baseline. Of course people can influence your happiness, especially those closest to you. But ultimately, you are the source of your happiness or unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 02:43 AM
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That's likely a significant factor. "Not wanting to make an effort" is an interesting observation. I think that plays a role due to the abundance of things that make us feel good with very little effort, including porn. I think social and biological factors make this less of an issue for women in regards to finding casual sex partners, but it may appear in other areas of her life. However for this specific topic, consistently spiking dopamine levels contributes to men not wanting to make the eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 02:23 AM
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I'm not talking about the RP guys on here, but guys in general. A lot of the guys in that 60% don't think they can get casual sex unless it happens to them. Whereas most women choose when and whom they have have causal sex with regardless of whether they've had it before or not. I think that's where the disconnect lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 11:24 PM
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It's not privilege, it's benevolent misandry
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 11:09 PM
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This very well could be true, but if it is, a good question is why do so many think this number is much less?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 10:53 PM
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Men and women are both taught to see the best in people. The reality is that there are as many women who are idiots as men who are idiots. Women who are in abusive relationships and have the opportunity to leave, but don't because she "loves him" and "can fix him" are the equivalent of the men who spend all their money on onlyfans and egirls.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 09:36 PM
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I believe the context and what society it occurs in matters, because there is no objective definition, it's always subjective. In a Mormon community, a girl who has premarital sex would be considered a slut. In a university social circle, a girl who casually sleeps with every male in the social circle would be considered a slut. In Taliban Afghanistan, a girl who is raped may unfortunately be considered a slut. I'm not giving value judgements on these situations, but just a contextual definition…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 09:08 PM
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If this was TRULY about shaming harmful behavior, we can could shame lying and manipulative men. But we don't. Society does shame lying and manipulative men. You just did, you're part of society. What else would you expect it to look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 08:54 PM
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I think we have to acknowledge that historically women are not encouraged and certainly not taught to understand and explore our sexuality independent of men. We grow up observing a culture that is obsessed with sex but depicts female sexuality in horribly misleading ways. I think this is true for both men and women, but in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 08:49 PM
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I'm referring to love, not friendship. If you just want to marry a friend you have exclusive sex with and similar life goals, then that's your prerogative. To me, it seems cold and transactionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 07:33 PM
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The dehumanizing aspect is that it waters down a human being to a number between 1-10 that is based solely on his or her physical characteristics without accounting for any other traits. I suppose you could incorporate some mental/emotional traits as well with the 1-10 comparisons, but that's also extremely subjective. Those metrics don't account for a person's smile or laugh, the way they engross themselves in a book, their kindness and compassion, etc. That's why I call it dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 07:25 PM
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An unfortunate, dehumanizing tool. But in context, it's a useful metric instead of using analogies and pictures when describing physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 07:05 PM
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What a very corporate view of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 06:59 PM
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FDS women are not the type of women I would want marrying the male members of my family, just like I wouldn't want the RP/Incel types marrying the female members of my family. These groups have no idea how to form healthy emotional connections are more a form of group delusion that is only possible on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 06:49 PM
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I find that to be a human problem. Women are just as incapable or unwilling to see men as human beings. That's where the male disposability trope comes in. Men view other men in the same way. Likewise, women have also enforced black and white thinking, labeling some women as whores who shouldn't be a part of her society and others as wonderful women who follow the rules and social morays of her society to the tee.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 05:59 PM
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I want the dick game to be so good, she needs a wheelchair afterwards lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 02:19 PM
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Tbf, English only has one word for "love" to encompass a whole group of ideas. You're referring to Pragma, which is a long, enduring love. Whereas Eros is a passionate, burning love that is often short-lived. It exists and is part of the human experience, but unfortunately English conflates the terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:20 PM
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Thanks for the answer. Assuming your description is more or less how other women experience sexuality, I would say that male and female sexuality are similar, but with different flavors. My sexuality is invasive. And is usually triggered by specific features or mundane behavior. I would say that male sexuality is invasive as well, but with the bar being far lower to trigger it. Just entering a room that a woman was in and being able to smell the scent of her perfume is enough to trigger it. Anot…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 06:46 PM
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Can I ask, if you're a heterosexual woman, how do you experience female sexuality? What traits or behaviors in a man distinguish him as a man that you want to have a sexual experience with verses a man that you don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 04:16 PM
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I see. Well if the actions/giving were an expression of how much I cared about her, then I'd assume a future girlfriend would want me to express that I cared for her as much, even if it isn't the same actions. Personally, I wouldn't ever buy gifts or do things that would effect me financially to that extent, especially for a women who isn't even my wife, but I would be much more willing to sacrifice for a woman I married and intended to spend the rest of my life with. But I understand the point …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:52 PM
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demand that women treat all the men they get with exactly the same in terms of when/how much/how far the sex happens Here is an example of the topic I believe you're referring to. "If a woman has sex on the first date with guy that she didn't want as a boyfriend but found attractive, then she should have sex on the first date with a guy she wants as a boyfriend, even though the first guy was just a hookup that she didn't necessarily want a relationship with." One side here says that it's unfair …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:44 PM
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Could you define what simp means? If it's a measurement of how much I liked a girl at 16/19/22, I would hope I liked a future girl that much, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:14 PM
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But I do definitely need to disagree about the more angry men swearing off ltr- because a lot of what I’m thinking of is the guys who are younger, get rejected, are hurt, find places like this, and still crave companionship (as any normal person would), but think they’re too good for women in xyz criteria I think dating apps are a major cause of this. There's a pipeline of average guys, who would do fine in real life, trying out dating apps and having their self esteem absolutely crushed. So the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:33 AM
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Oh yeah, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:43 PM
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You're right in that since dating apps are mainly picture-based, it skews the data to show these results. And I agree in that if there was some way to discern other traits, those traits would also be taken into consideration. However it also shows that given only pictures, women are far more selective in who they match with, and since dating apps has become one of the main ways people date now, especially during Corona, pictures/physical looks have become a major factor in a person's dating life…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:42 PM
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Yeah, the wording could be phrased differently, but I would say that people's revealed preferences emerge when they don't have any external pressures. It's an interesting development that could only happen with the internet. This also applies for both men and women, although broader society already knew that men emphasized physical looks. I think that society didn't realize the extent to which women not only also emphasized physical looks, but they did to an even greater extent than men when all…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 03:40 PM
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It's the relative anonymity. You're swiping on your phone where no one can judge who you swipe on. It's an entirely new form of mate selection, because before there usually was at least some in-person interaction and preselection by your social group before you ever met any potential dating partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 03:02 PM
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Yeah, if I find her attractive, that's fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 05:29 AM
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I think that since you're bi, it's much easier for you to find other male sexual partners and have an abundance mindset with sex. For a lot of straight guys, it's either find a girl that want to be in a committed relationships to have regular sex with or go without sex for months or even years at a time. Obviously you're not increasing your sexual partner count, so you probably don't want to marry a girl that has had a lot of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 05:22 AM
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I believe the difference is in your dating prospects when you were young. Was finding dating partners difficult for you until you had a stable career? Because that's the situation for a percentage of men, hence what they find upsetting. They have a hard time dating when they're young, likely due to a host of issues. Then they get older, successful, become more confident, and then it seems more women are interested in them, but for long term relationships or marriage, instead of casual FWB or hoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:59 AM
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Damn, I need to get my fists registered then
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:40 AM
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Lol, mein fuhrer, how did you find this subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:38 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean. Nightclub culture in the 90s?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:52 PM
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I believe the gripes with height began with dating apps. For the most part, I had no idea a significant percentage of women cared a lot about a man's height until dating apps. I suppose in a medium where physical traits are pretty much all that you have to go off of, that becomes one of the main determinations of whether you pass the bar to be a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:37 PM
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It kinda is, but it might simulate intimacy in the same way those ASMR bf/gf videos on YouTube do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 06:37 PM
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Yes, women know what men are "sexually attracted" to , because there is a very low bar for for sexual attraction and is pretty constant across men. Men express what they find sexually attractive easily and often. However, this does not mean that some women are far better at presenting themselves as sexually attractive to men, both physically and mentally. Whereas for women, it does seem sexual attraction is far more amorphous and varies a lot more from woman to woman. The bar for sexual attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 06:22 PM
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I've seen it with domestic violence. Man hits a woman, he's rightfully a POS. Woman hits a man, what did he do to make her hit him?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 06:11 PM
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I think both men and women put in the same amount of effort in attracting a partner. The only difference is that men have a much lower bar for casual sex, whereas women's is much higher, so far fewer men have the ability to experience casual relationships. Both men and women have similar standards for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 05:32 PM
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Oh I see, I think that's definitely an aspect to the pleasure of sex. However, I believe that the main reasons a lot of guys don't see prostitutes is the illegality, social stigma, and potential danger it could entail. Of course it still doesn't fulfill feeling chosen and desired, but for men who go years without any intimacy, a sexbot would be better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 04:53 PM
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So much of sex comes from having "won" something. I don't agree with this, but maybe I'm not thinking about it in the right perspective. Why do you think this is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 04:30 PM
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The dating and cultural landscape is completely different from the nineties. Unless you've actively been dating within the last ten years, I don't think you can have an informed opinion on this topic. Just as there has been an increase in celibate men, there has been an increase in celibate women, albeit not as great of an increase as men. Also, just as there has been an increase in women with a high number of sexual partners, there has been an increase in men with a high number of sexual partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 03:10 PM
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A lot of women find a man asking explicitly for consent a turn off. And it never really goes both ways since women usually want men to make the first move and be dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 07:02 PM
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Many women still complain about the bar being on the floor for standards, men not caring about their orgasm, guys ghosting/flaking, etc. It doesn't really seem dating has improved for women either, so I don't think this is the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 06:45 PM
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I think we can explain the difference with an economic analogy. For a lot of men, it's a bit like "I'm so poor, I don't even have enough money to eat everyday this month and I might get evicted." Whereas for a lot of women it's "I hate my soulless office job, I'm spending the best years of my life in a cubicle making other people money, and I don't feel joy in life". Obviously one is worse than the other, but they both suck. It requires empathy to understand the other group's perspective, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 04:45 AM
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Are you a man? If so, you might not be attracted to women. If you're a woman, you're just trolling at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 10:36 PM
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Then all he has to do is to meet the women who find him attractive enough to have casual sex with? The majority of guys aren't good looking enough, don't have the social skills to meet strangers, or a broad enough social circle to find women that want to have casual sex with them. It's not only based on attractiveness. Most men also have to make the first move, and they usually don't want to come across as a creep, so they end up not initiating when it comes to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 08:45 PM
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I believe the complaint is that men who aren't able to have casual sex view themselves as inferior when entering a relationship with a woman who had casual sex in the past. If he wasn't viewed as a viable casual sex partner and can only enjoy sex and intimacy after displaying commitment in a relationship, he is physically/socially less attractive than the men his partner has been with before him. Of course this overshadows all of the nuances and complexities of human relationships. That being sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 05:49 PM
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Yeah, a lot of the issues espoused here are first-world problems. There are people dying in war-torn countries, people starving, people dying of treatable diseases, sex-trafficking, quasi-slavery, etc. Not being able to get dates with girls, a guy just using you for sex, having to pay for the first date, catcalling, feeling lonely, etc. are all luxury problems of a society that has solved most of its subsistence problems. It's mostly a bunch of people in rich countries complaining about their ps…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:29 AM
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Sure, it's possible that views haven't shifted, but the internet has allowed for true preferences to be revealed. Or it could be that those people with negative views are loudest in the room. It's difficult to pin down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:57 AM
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Thanks for your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:02 AM
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It is more common and acceptable in the broad society, but from my perspective, men in younger generations seem to disparage dating single mothers more than other groups. However, I could be wrong and young men are mostly fine dating women with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:28 AM
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I'm approaching this topic from a philosophical perspective rather than an empirical one. If you believe that this view does not reflect reality, I would enjoy reading your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:22 AM
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That may very well be possible. The percentage of young men that would date single mothers has remained relatively constant or even increased in the past few decades? Around where I grew up, divorce was extremely rare, as was stepparents. It was almost taboo to talk about, so I didn't find it normal growing up. Though it has become more common and socially acceptable. I don't think the terms "cuck" or "cuckoldry" are used exclusively within the RP communities. I believe the etymology of it's cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:03 AM
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I think there's something wrong with calling a man who fathers and abandons a child a "Chad", which implies that he is genetically and socially superior to other men. Although, I take your point that the consensus among men that dislike single mothers is the perspective that she made a bad choice in a man and the potential resentment toward the possibility of taking on the responsibility of another man who is a worse person. Another post on here categorized single mothers into three categories, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 05:47 AM
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I don't think that "stepmom porn" is a major contributing factor to the change in young men's views on single mothers and the men that date/marry them. However, you're tone is making me think that you're bringing something else into the discussion that's weighing on you that I'm not going to engage with further.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 05:32 AM
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That may have partially contributed to young people's view on step parents, but it's single mothers that seem to be the main target of vitriol, not single fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 05:00 AM
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Seems you're right, the term was popularized from the black American dialect, but it entered mainstream American culture in the past ten or so years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 04:58 AM
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Well kudos to you. You're a lot more resilient than other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 04:47 AM
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Of course, I agree. A significant portion of this subreddit skews towards black and white thinking, but it is one of the few places where a number of humans from all over the developed world have spent a significant amount of time thinking about modern dating and relationships. Even the incorrect takes could be stepping stones towards future consensuses. I have seen negative perspectives on single moms on facebook, twitter, youtube, tiktok, podcasts, etc., and the perspectives usually come from …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 04:46 AM
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Good point, the ability to compare potential dating prospects has never been as easy as it is now. The abundance mentality that comes with the possibility to connect with everyone within your city lessens the willingness to work through difficult issues, which, as you described, pushes dating to become a more consumer-friendly commodified activity rather than a profound social dance between two humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 03:44 AM
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That's a good point. "Baby mamas" is a relatively new term, I've only heard it within the last ten years. I don't think it was as common before as it is now for women to have children outside of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 03:15 AM
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That's an interesting theory, I haven't heard it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 03:07 AM
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If the genders were flipped in the story: You comforted you're fiancé on your fourth date about the girl that dumped him and broke his heart. You overhear him telling his friend that you're great, but he'll never be as attracted to you as much as he was to his ex. Which isn't really fair to you, because she was thin and pretty. When you confront him about it, he first gaslights you into saying that you must have misheard. Then he tells you that he's attracted enough to you, and that you'll be a …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 11:04 PM
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The guy said he's 7 inches, which is already relatively big. Though girth can vary quite a bit, so maybe that was the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 10:48 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "a top tier woman". I think we would disagree on that definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 06:40 AM
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The comment was, that this was how it was supposed to be all along. Nature made it so that women would only pick the strongest males, and the gene pool of the entire human specices would remain strong. Patriarchy was an obstacle to that, but now that that's gone, the natural order is being restored. I disagree with the premise of your questions. There isn't any "natural" way for human mate selection to occur. It's marred by various outside influences, which include cultural and social norms. Cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 12:24 AM
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When a woman does something horrific, inc3ls point to that and say "See, women are horrible." You have the same energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:16 AM
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I wasn't making a value judgement, I was just saying why there's so much attention on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:11 AM
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Bills can refer to non essentials. Okay, if you're going to be obtuse about it, I can use a different analogy. People who are obsessed with psychology and think about it all the time. They are dealing with some serious mental issues and are trying to figure a way to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:09 AM
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I mentioned the ethnicity, because I assume you're not racist and wouldn't say anything like that. So if it's wrong to refer the that guy's actions as representative of his ethnicity, why would it be okay to refer to his actions as a representative of his gender? Why not just call him a piece of human garbage?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:07 AM
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I said paying bills, not starving to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:02 AM
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If you're poor and can't pay your bills, you're likely going to be obsessed with money. It's probably a similar motivation. Wanting something you feel like you need, but don't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 05:35 AM
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There was an AskReddit post yesterday "If suddenly every woman wanted to have sex with you, what would you do on day 1?". This is such an absurd question for men, but it is the near reality for many women. A significant percentage of men will have sex with a woman if she wanted it to happen. Of course this isn't true for all women, but does apply for most women who fall within a certain age and weight range. Societal ideas around sex have relaxed in the past few decades (which is a good thing), …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 05:30 PM
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I'm sorry that you had an abusive father, but that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to a woman who stays in an abusive relationship, because she feels she has no agency to leave, and then blames men as a whole for the situation she ended up in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 08:05 AM
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Here's something that I see more commonly in women. Not taking agency in their lives. A lot of women encounter problems and bemoan about why this happened to them without taking responsibility for their own actions that led to that outcome. Examples include not being in a job they want, being in an abusive relationship, having children with no father in the picture, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:13 AM
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What makes you think that? Have you never read literature, poetry, or philosophy written by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:51 PM
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Honestly, we probably need to discourage internet usage. The average person is spending an excessive amount of time online (including those of you who peruse this subreddit), which has led to a far more anti-social society. We also need to encourage men to approach women more in person and accept rejection politely. Also, encourage women not to feel upset or anxious about a random man approaching them in a romantic way. Basically more in-person social interactions. We seemed to have regressed as…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:40 AM
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Oh yeah, there are definitely those types here. I think that the hyperbole stems from genuine pain and frustration in their dating and relationships, and they use these boards as a place to vent and find validation in their personal experiences. I don't think a lot of it is particularly helpful, but there are seeds of truth in some of the ideas espoused here. There is something wrong with the way dating, relationships, and marriage has emerged in our 21st century society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:11 PM
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If I can clarify, I believe the idea is that if you take two people who are equal in all things, except one person is a man and the other a woman, the woman will have an easier time finding dates and entering relationships than the man. However, this is not to say that women have it easier in life overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:28 PM
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You know how a lot of insecure women base their self worth on how attractive they are? Which usually is based on their physical body, since male sexuality is very visual. The corollary to that is insecure men basing their self worth on how many women are attracted to him. And unless you're a celebrity or have women constantly asking you out, the main way to find out how attractive you are is to see how many women you can potentially sleep with, since female sexuality is more subtle. Also, just l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 05:13 AM
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The phrase "give a chance" irks me, because that assumes that the person being "given the chance" needs to perform in a certain way to be worthy of dating. I don't like commenting on the attractiveness of individuals, but I've always regarded Adele as pretty, dresses very well for her body, and has a feminine fat distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:36 PM
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I think there are attractive overweight women and unattractive overweight women. The attractive ones tend to have less fat on their face and a more feminine distribution of fat. For example, Adele in 2019 or Ashley Graham. Whereas another overweight woman could be the same height and even weigh less, but have an unfortunate fat distribution and be considered unattractive. I don't think it's so black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:53 PM
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I think as far as attraction goes, best case scenario is indifference. It certainly doesn’t add to a woman’s attractiveness rating. Not speaking of you specifically, but the way you characterize what men find attractive. You said that men don't find intelligence attractive, and sure there are men that don't, but those men don't represent the entire male gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:58 AM
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Except having a job is a positive trait, whereas acting purposefully dumb to attract the types of men that don't like intelligent women is just strange. Men aren't a homogenous group that only like one type of women, whether it's physical or mental traits. I think you've been internalizing too much Red Pill/Incel content. The guys who are proponents of those ideas, the ones that don't value intelligence in their partner, likely have serious emotional disorders. Plenty of men are attracted to int…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:15 AM
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I think you're making a lot of absolutist statements that aren't grounded in reality, but instead derive from the curated experiences you read about from others on the internet. Life isn't over for a woman that doesn't have an hourglass figure, pretty face, and good skin, this is flat out untrue. Men don't think they are perfect just as they are, and they also face body dysmorphia and self esteem issues, but don't talk about it as much due to it not being as socially acceptable. However, I do ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:26 PM
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But why would you want to date the type of men that find an intelligent woman unappealing? Why would you want to be in a relationship and spend the majority of your time acting less intelligent than you actually are?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:16 PM
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Australia has a single-payer system and the many people have private insurance as well for not just non-essential coverage. Obviously the public system is cheaper, but it's also lower quality, which is why people still pay for private insurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 02:19 AM
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What aspect of single payer healthcare is socialist? If the government was also the sole provider of healthcare, then that would be socialist. Also, I'm not a leftist, I support free markets and private enterprise over government mandates. I don't even support single payer healthcare, but it is by definition not socialist, maybe it can be called welfarism or distributionism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 09:29 PM
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Like I said, it isn't easy, but it's easier. Having a larger pool of potential partners is better than having no pool of potential partners if your goal is a relationship. Having no potential partners is the situation a significant percentage of young guys find themselves in. There are various socio-cultural factors as to why this phenomenon has occurred, but surely this isn't preferable? I think the evidence can speak for itself. Look at the graph of "Share of US adults who are single varies by…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 05:39 AM
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No it hasn't. What policies do you refer to as socialist in those countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 05:16 AM
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I don't think women have it easy finding a LTR, but it is easier for young women. They're dating pool is much larger than young men's, since women tend to date men their age or older, whereas men tend to date their age or younger. In your twenties, this leads to far more options for women than men, but it evens out over time in regards to LTR (even older women should have an easy time finding non-LTR sex compared to any age man). A 22 year old woman will date a 28 year old man, but a 28 year old…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:17 PM
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Just because those examples are government enforced doesn't mean they were voluntary. Many people in those types of dating structures are coerced or socially pressured to enter relationships that the society at large sees fit even if they don't want to themselves, both men and women. I would argue that even Western society has prescribed norms that we are pressured to follow, even amongst the most progressive circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:03 PM
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I disagree on your economic points. Education and healthcare are highly regulated and government involved, and I don't think anyone is satisfied with its current structure. More privatization could benefit those services, and there is literature out there that supports more privatized models which would solve the problems we currently have. But this probably isn't the subreddit for this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:52 PM
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Those aren't socialist policies. Safety nets aren't socialist, they are safety nets. Socialist policies would be mandating a certain percentage of every company be owned by the workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:36 PM
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We haven't recovered since the 2008 economic collapse. Global economic growth has stagnated. This does not mean collapse, but the various political and cultural movements we are experiencing worldwide can be directly attributed to the collapse of the financial system in 2008. Our economic system runs on debt, which means that banks create money, not governments. Due to regulations and bank hesitancy to give out loans since 2008, banks have mainly engaged in collateralized loans that use highly l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:55 PM
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Well yeah, it is rooted in insecurity and jealousy. But that trait is pretty entrenched in the majority of men when it comes to the sexual history of the women they enter long term relationships with. I think male and female sexuality differ in that way. Also, the analogy isn't just "traveling = sex", it's that you are only allowed to travel to a specific country with a specific person. So if you settle down, you can't ever travel to another country again. When you enter a monogamous relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:10 PM
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The analogy is "traveling with another person = sex and dating with another person" In the analogy, if you guys are still traveling after you're together, then you guys would be having threesomes and swinging, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:00 PM
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So my fellow dudes out there who prefer more virginal type women, please tell me why a woman with a "low body count" is more preferable? If you're a guy with a "low body count", you probably want someone that has a similar number. Most guys aren't racking up dozens of women over the course of their lifetimes. I think it has to do with jealousy. Here's an analogy. Let's say you've traveled to five countries with five different girls. The trips were fun and you had a great time with the girls, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:50 AM
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Personally, Victoria's Secret supermodels are nice to look at, but they're not the type of body I find most attractive. Voluptuous, full-bodied women are my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 02:47 AM
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How would you know, are you an immigrant or the child of immigrants? My parents are immigrants, I know many people who are the children of immigrants here in the US. Culture changing is inevitable, even if you have zero immigration. The country my parents are from is becoming more "westernized", and they don't really have any immigration, it's just young people who hold different values relative to their parents. I assume you don't believe the exact same things your parents believed?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 03:57 PM
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That assumes all of the kids will hold the traditional views of their parents. The majority of children of immigrants are culturally indistinguishable from their non-immigrant peers, except for some cultural or religious practices. By the third generation, there tends to be no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 02:15 PM
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Someone in their 30s dating an 18/19 year old for marriage, sure. But just sex or casually dating? I don't see a problem there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 02:00 PM
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That's an intentionally malicious take on that argument though, isn't it? Sure, there are some extremists that hold the rapey views, but when I read "society should help these men get sex/intimacy", I'm thinking more along the lines of teaching guys how to be attractive to women, how to be a good partner, to view women with empathy, how to overcome the fear of rejection, etc. Encouraging people to be more social in-person rather than over the internet and creating a society that allows for more …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:57 PM
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I'm a straight man who's around the same age as you (25), and I just want to share my perspective. Honestly, I think the disagreement comes down to male and female sexuality. I think you're projecting your own sexuality on to men, and stating that since you find something creepy, then everyone should. Even though you are bi, you probably don't find the same traits attractive in women that men find attractive. Youthfulness is a trait that men find attractive across the board, which women don't se…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 03:12 AM
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A lot of the guys here have experienced pain in dating and relationships. Thinking and framing it in an "objective" analytical way allows them to convince themselves that they are just being practical, while in reality they are protecting their feelings. It is also a signal to others to emphasize how much pain they have experienced in this area of human life and that they are now "hardened" and know the "true reality of the world".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 01:39 AM
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I agree that the 5'5" guy has a harder time dating than the 5'10" guy all things being equal. Though I disagree that the 5'5" guy has no chance with women. There are plenty of 5'5" guys dating and even being "fuckboi's", look at all the Mexican dudes doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:55 AM
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I think two-parent households are better for everyone, but he "results of those bad decisions" are living, breathing humans that exist through no fault of their own. Helping those kids also helps prevent more single parents and crime. Welfare is not the ideal scenario, but you genuinely would prefer children living in poverty over more women becoming single parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:52 AM
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I think it's the former. If I listed out a list of physical traits that I would ideally want in a woman, but I fell in love with a girl that didn't have all of those traits, did I settle? No, because the initial list of physical traits was immature to begin with, and physical attraction is far more than physical traits. I don't fall in love with big tiddies, no matter how much I like them, I fall in love with a person. I think a lot of people in these subreddits need a strong male role model in …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:46 AM
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I can't speak to your friend's specific situation, but I have similar social circles, and I'm not even white. Your friend might be socially awkward around women, or maybe he happens to live around extremely superficial people. I wish him the best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:39 AM
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You're approaching this from a libertarian perspective, and I probably share a lot of your views. I'm no fan of the government. However, this is far from the most prescient issue of government overreach that needs to be addressed. What you describe is the ideal scenario, and I believe that we had this system in the past, but so many people still fell through the cracks. Many children would have starved or been malnourished had these programs no been in place. The technology we have today may mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:35 AM
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True, younger people are more likely to be naïve, but that doesn't mean we should create an all-encompassing rule to judge relationships that we only know one factor of. Human relationships are far more complex than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:21 AM
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Unfortunately, you probably are normal in this generation, especially with Corona. Take it from someone who was in your shoes at your age. You seem like you feel trapped in a Gordian knot and have developed a self-defeating attitude. That's completely normal for someone in your situation. Humans are social creatures, so we're meant to spend time with others. When we don't, we start to feel pretty shitty. The world is changing faster than we can adapt, and we don't have the social rules in place …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:18 AM
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The women you are referring to tend to be the ones who are mainly looking for men through online dating. If you ask a woman her requirements for some hypothetical ideal partner, she'll probably name a list of things that won't actually match the flesh-and-blood person she ends up with. Same thing happens with guys. People with options in online dating tend to approach it as "Build a Bitch"(applies to both genders). The majority of women that espouse the 6ft+ height requirement will end up with g…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:52 AM
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Sure, in economic theory, when you subsidize something, you tend to get more of it. So if you subsidize children living with single parents, you are likely to get more children living with single parents (majority are single mothers, but there are single fathers too), since there is less of a disincentive. However, what is your alternative? Do you want to remove that safety net and return to a point in time where a child may starve due to the bad decisions of the adults in their lives? In any ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:34 AM
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I don't think the age gap is much of an issue as long as both parties are consenting adults. Also, you don't speak for all women, there are plenty of women that just want to be a trophy wife and be taken care of. Not the type of girl I'd personally want to be with, but it takes all kinds to fill the world. Though I do agree that a a person shouldn't be in a relationship where they're being taken advantage of, but age isn't the determining factor for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:29 AM
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That's average. Sure, it's not going to help with dating apps and there will always be some women with a height fetish, but he can meet plenty of women if he had a larger social circle. Your dating value isn't determined by how many matches you can get on a dating app, it's determined by the quality of the people you enter relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:23 AM
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I think you're overthinking it. Just because someone watches a tv show, it doesn't mean they want to live it out. Many women watched Dexter, doesn't mean they want a benevolent serial killer as their boyfriend. I enjoyed the first couple seasons of Game of Thrones, doesn't mean I want to live in a medieval fantasy world. At the end of the day, it's a story about sex and romance that needs drama to create a plot. Why would anyone want to watch a show about the boring daily life of a happy couple?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:14 AM
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OP is being purposefully obtuse and arguing in bad faith. Recommend other not to engage with this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 03:15 PM
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Like the other commenter said, I wasn't accusing you of being entitled, but some people would interpret what you said in that way. Personally, I think a good society is one in which people who put time and effort into improving themselves, are emotionally healthy, and treat their partners with respect should be the ones that can find partners the easiest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:35 PM
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I don't agree with OP's characterization of intergender dynamics, but I can see how he came to his perspective. It's difficult for people to empathize with the opposite sex for a charged topic as dating and relationships, especially when experiencing problems of your own. Some people may read this post and think you are acting "entitled" to sex and women's bodies. They'll say that life isn't fair and you're discounting the awful experiences women have when it comes to casual sex. And from their …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:47 AM
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The dopamine hits you get from a screen are more reliable than social interactions. This means more people would rather stay at home on their phones or computer rather than go outside and meet new people. Less social interactions = less dating and relationships. Most guys can't get women off pictures alone, so dating apps are a no-go. Most people are more attractive in person, so if you don't have the opportunity to meet new people through social circles, then your chances of meeting someone dro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:26 PM
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I agree it's unreasonable to expect dating exclusivity after only a couple dates. However, I wouldn't date or sleep with someone that was sleeping with other people, and I'm pretty sure outside of extremely progressive circles, the vast majority of people hold this view. Once you start having sex, exclusivity is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:45 AM
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