You do state that "just because you can...doesn't mean you should" And how is it a concern? No-one is forced to pay anything and the women doing this doesn't affect you at all does it?
Mate, feminism is not demanding that everyone sees men as monsters, it’s about seeing women as needing equal rights, worldwide. At the current rate of society developing it will take circa 286 years to globally have women having the same legal rights as men
That people who believe all of any societal group are "evil" would realise that they're not and that every group has its vocal, hateful minority. Goes for people looking at men's rights activists and people looking at feminists, and all groups in between
I care about OPs examples, as I’d like to see whether he has real world experience or just listening in an echo chamber and parroting his version of “truth”
A document by a validated feminist organisation stating what you have claimed as their core principles, I assume you have one? Or at least have verifiable evidence that the beliefs you state are central to the feminist movement?
The post links feminism with the supposition that men hate women, I point out not all feminists think like that and link that to the original statement…
Didn’t he admit it and plead guilty? And yet still, because he’s a famous sportsman, he doesn’t even get a criminal record. Just so he can continue playing…
Yes you’re being irrational because you’re basing a fear on stories. It’s never just a glance that does it, it’s the stares. Not every woman records themselves, it’s exceptionally rare and men do it too…
Conversely, I’m a product of a single mother family - dad did one before I hit double digits. And this didn’t result in me dropping into dependency. She raised me right, worked whilst I and my sister were at school, showed us how to behave and how to respect others. Did not need nor miss a father’s presence
Brace yourself mate, you’ll see some MRAs in here saying “all women are…” and “all feminists are…”. The point is, people can be shit, but try not to generalise
If you want to see narcissism in action reply in here to anyone saying “not all feminists are extreme, it’s the same as not all men…” then sit back and watch the hate flow back to you
You mean if they were to,for example, say “all feminists are fkn despicable”? I mean that’s pretty extreme isn’t it? “All” feminists, not some… “fkn despicable”…?
That’s as ridiculous as legally enforcing a decision on a woman as to whether she has to carry a baby to term after having been molested by her father. I mean, who would do that?
Biology doesn’t say we should be using mobile devices to argue in virtual space, progress does that… it’s not all biology mate or you’d be running around trying to fuck anyone fertile
Staring has, by definition, a focus, an object, a point. Gazing into space, I assume you meant, has an empty eyed look, no focus, no object etc etc. Hope that helps
Of course I’m aware that if I were to stare fixedly at a strange woman, being aware that my focus and attention was not wanted and didn’t stop then I’d be putting myself in the hands of this law
Aren’t all peoples lives affected by policies that were once opinions? But facts are demonstrable and immutable. And what the fck is that firstborns in a room bollocks got to do with anything. In my opinion, we should just stop staring at women and call it out when we see it… not try and justify people who do it
No, because in your situation once the police explain why they are talking to him, said depressed man calmly explains to the police what has happened, why he’s doing what he’s doing. The police thank him, hope he feels better, explain to the woman (if she’s still there or they call her) and everyone goes on their way
You said staring was subjective, I asked how subjective you’d find it if someone was staring fixedly at your children. I used your hypothetical children to illustrate the double standards you’re placing on staring at women being ok compared to another situation. I mean, if you’re ok with it fine, that’s up to you. And using LGBT when dealing with a UK law is tricky because we have legally protected characteristics… as for a threshold, it’s not down to time, it’s focus and a fixed look that defin…
That a prison sentence is possible, but made no mention of what criteria would be placed on a custodial sentence. But sadly that part seems to have slipped past some people who really really really want to stare at women, cat call and wolf whistle
Do you honestly think that three mins of staring is a jail sentence mate? Really? The law is to make it an offence, along with wolf whistling and cat calling
So, you’re looking at a woman, she doesn’t return eye contact and it’s your right to look straight at her, focussing solely on her, way past just a casual glance…
So if there’s a case it could be misconstrued it shouldn’t be illegal? What about threatening behaviour, it’s subjective so that shouldn’t be a crime? Listen, we’re not legal professionals, let’s leave that part to them eh?
The act of staring implies a visual focus, where the subject of the gaze is objectified. This has been the subject of psychoanalytical studies on the nature of scopophilia
Staring, compared to just looking is the act of looking with a fixed focus. Surely you’re not that far down this rabbit hole that you wouldn’t just speak to someone you thought was pretty? Naturally ready to cease when it’s obvious she’s not interested? Or do you think you are owed attention and any girl who doesn’t give it in return for your stare is just conceited?
Guy sees a strange women he thinks is attractive, instead of engaging in conversation decides to just stare at her. She notices, looks away. Looks up in a bit, he’s still staring. Glances to the side, sees he’s still staring fixedly at her. Wow, bet ya didn’t think of that one!
Staring is looking fixedly over a protracted period of time. Without mutual eye contact you’d stop staring and look away wouldn’t you? You would, wouldn’t you?
Not all assaults leave cuts and bruises, so you mean unless it’s grievous bodily harm it’s not assault? I’m guessing you think grabbing a woman’s arse isn’t assault then?
Not at all, but if you stare at a woman it’s creepy as fuck mate. And if your initial looks aren’t reciprocated then you’d stop staring wouldn’t you? Wouldn’t you?
It’s a part, but you would hope that in mature person it’s only a part and not the driving reason. But hey, wolf whistling, cat calling etc are fine aren’t they
Jesus, you’re turning a fight by women to stop being oppressed by men into a fight by men to stop women being oppressed by men… remind me, what was the blokes name who was beaten to death by the morality squad for removing his hijab?
Couple of things, you do understand the penalties that women faced historically for just wanting to be equal don’t you? We men have never faced that, and you’re criticising all women for not putting their lives on the line to be able to get a job they want, live independently?Lastly, you do get that women do buy motorcycles, skateboards and go BASE jumping in the real world, just not in this echo chamber?
You’re defining attractiveness, I said define unattractiveness, empirically, not just “not being attractive” as that includes a neutral state. Please, define what every woman deems unattractive? Also, how TF am I married and have been for decades without a what…brow bone, high cheekbones and what the fck is a tall chin? And symmetrical men generate more orgasms? Are you drunk?
You’ve made my point for me mate. Quantities don’t matter when you’re the one who generalised by saying “women fear more than men”. Women do seek combat roles, women have testosterone. Testosterone, as you yourself said, reduces the response to fear, not the fear itself… And the last, hugely biased, generalisation is that men are more likely to engage in risky activities. There are women in every risky activity but ask yourself why more men. Could it be that we, as men, spent the last hundred ye…
So you seem to be generalising based on babies… we still need to articulate what makes a person unattractive if you want to use that as a criteria against this law don’t we? What makes a man physically unattractive to a woman? The easy answer is it’s subjective, anything and nothing, so the argument that being “unattractive” makes you a victim of this does fall over really doesn’t it…
Women get scared more? Really? I’m pretty sure the women in the armed forces get scared less than me… absolutely generalising and saying it’s biology. The reaction to fear is biological, the feeling of fear is psychological
No mate, the research that you used was about unattractiveness. So, if we’re to see this as in any way an informed piece worthy of consideration then there must be an easily definable, immutable statement of what is unattractiveness? Attraction varies greatly depending on the person, what one person considers attractive others may not. You mention healthy hair but some women love a bald head…
Looking refers to the activity of directing eyes on the object. Visual perception is obtained about the object by the act of looking. On the other hand, staring refers to the act of looking but specifically for a long time and in a fixed gaze. So, you’re saying that you look at kids, specifically for a long time with a fixed gaze? Believe me, that’s aberrant behaviour, try talking to someone about it.
And let’s be honest, you still haven’t acknowledged that part because it does not fit your bias. And the rest is a research paper… should we take it as fact because it fits your view or question it because it doesn’t fit mine?
Looking refers to the activity of directing eyes on the object. Visual perception is obtained about the object by the act of looking. On the other hand, staring refers to the act of looking but specifically for a long time and in a fixed gaze.
Looking refers to the activity of directing eyes on the object. Visual perception is obtained about the object by the act of looking. On the other hand, staring refers to the act of looking but specifically for a long time and in a fixed gaze.
Looking refers to the activity of directing eyes on the object. Visual perception is obtained about the object by the act of looking. On the other hand, staring refers to the act of looking but specifically for a long time and in a fixed gaze.
Hang on, so she told him she wasn’t interested and instead of being a mature adult and listening he continued with letters, calls and driving by her house on multiple occasions? Does that not sound dodgy to you?
How would you define the difference between someone who looked at your kids while you’re at a park and someone who stared at your kids while you’re at a park?
Mate, I was insinuating YOU do… and the fact that you leap from not knowing someone to immediately girlfriend or wife shows your immaturity. Try just getting to know them mate
And that answers my question… You know that staring at someone else’s kids gets you accused of being a pedo because staring is inappropriate to say the least but you won’t carry that thought when pertaining to women
There’s a huge difference between looking and staring isn’t there. I’m guessing you may look at kids on the street in passing but I’d bet you don’t stare at them
Surely that happens with any criminal investigation or inquiry? Any employer would suspend, usually with pay but not mandatory depending on contract, if any criminal investigation is ongoing. Why should Disney be different? And his court case did not affect my view of him, although the evidence shook it..
A question in return to clarify. Am I safe to assume that you stare at your mother in the same manner as this? Your father, sister, mates? You know there’s a difference but seem to want to hide your intent to stare by saying it’s the woman’s problem not yours?
Because surely you’d immediately move and they’d realise you were staring at the mural. Unless you mean, with her directly in front of you, you stop trying to see the mural and continue staring at her head directly in front of you?
And there are more instances of it not happening than happening. Don’t you see the difference? Between wanted and unwanted attention being ignored by us because we think we’re owed a response?
You’re staring at a mural, with the back of someone’s head in front of you. So, naturally, you adjust your position and view because you want to continue staring at the mural…
Ridiculous statement. Talking to a girl. Approaching a girl. No problem at all. Refusing to acknowledge any signal that your attention is not wanted, or staring persistently, wolf whistling or cat calling is not the same is it mate?
You know there’s a difference. You know it but you’d rather say it should be ok to stare AT women. Not towards, not in the general direction of but AT women
I know right?? How, when you can’t stare, you can’t wolf whistle, you can’t cat call or make sexual comments to strangers? How on earth can you meet anyone when you can’t do that??
How is “don’t stare at women” the same as being put in caves? Have you no self control and decency that every time you see a woman you have to stare at her?
Brought up by my single mother, me and my sister… but the bloke had unprotected sex, on a one night stand and thinks he gets to back out? Nope, if it is his child then he’s at least partly financially responsible for the child’s upbringing
So you started by saying it does not oppose feminism but followed immediately with women get advantages just by being women… Do you see how that comes across as contradictory?
Given the number of people on this planet you can find examples of any given behaviour, that does not make it acceptable and it’s a huge generalisation to say it is
I'm asking OP as he refers to an instance that he saw that generated follow up questions. I asked because, as he states he can't remember, it slants his follow up questions with the implication that violence from women is widely accepted as ok, when we know that's not the case
Ok, it would have been helpful to illustrate the slant you took with your three questions which seem to insinuate widespread acceptance that violence from women is OK when we all know ow it's not. Never mind though, memory can be fickle
