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| 1 | Trump winning the election is very bad for men and men need to be concerned about trump winning.Theres a shoe on head video about the Kamala campaign trying to reach out to men and they had really dumb stuff to say. It takes more than 1-2 sentences obviously for anything in a campaign. Before she could say 1-2 sentences about policy she would have had to talk about policy at all which barely happened. She was still talking about access to healthcare in 2024. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/24 10:58 PM |
| 0 | You can have everything working in your favor as a guy and be the better catch but the woman will still have the upper hand and likely flakeFat women don’t get out of the house, don’t pursue men and have high expectations just like every other woman | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/24 01:07 AM |
| 0 | You can have everything working in your favor as a guy and be the better catch but the woman will still have the upper hand and likely flakeThe pew research stat is 30% of American women in their 20s are single vs 60% of men at the same age so no it’s not focusing on a subset | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/24 01:04 AM |
| 1 | You can have everything working in your favor as a guy and be the better catch but the woman will still have the upper hand and likely flakeYour personal experiences don’t necessarily reflect how things are going for most men or women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/24 01:02 AM |
| 4 | You can have everything working in your favor as a guy and be the better catch but the woman will still have the upper hand and likely flakeWe get it that everyone has problems and complaining isn’t super productive for the individual but this is something where yes men have it worse. It is really taboo to talk about men possibly having it worse than women with anything | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/24 12:59 AM |
| 21 | Men should approach less and reject moreLonely guys already don’t give attention to women or even interact with them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/24 10:45 PM |
| 5 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?It’s common that women have patriarchal standards of men whether you are raging about it or not | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?For any reason. Women now make their own money and don’t need a man to survive so are so much less interested in men now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 04:17 PM |
| -3 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?Personal examples don’t mean anything when we about the macro picture. All women aren’t like that but most are | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 03:51 PM |
| 3 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?Thank you. You are great person. Say if you agree or not but I think a lot of the women out there who hold more reasonable expectations of men do so because they aren’t looking to date men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 03:14 PM |
| 5 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?Women’s complaints about men being unreasonable in a relationship are widely talked about and spoken against. Not the same the other way around | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 02:38 PM |
| 2 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?It’s not some. This is not some garbage isolated to weird internet groups on weird corners of the internet. Most normal women in real life, don’t think this to the extreme, but do think this. We have been able to expand what it means to be a successful women in our society but not for men. We still have strong patriarchal expectations for men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 02:36 PM |
| 9 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?I agree with you but real life is not like that for men. Women don’t want 50/50 especially in the courting phase which most of these sad guys on reddit still haven’t broken threw yet. We have done well at getting rid of patriarchal expectations for women but the patriarchal expectations for men are as strong as ever | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 02:34 PM |
| -2 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?It’s online social media to decide to make a satire video about it but in real life yes it’s not a stretch to say most women have this expectation of men. If you don’t have this expectation of men as women then you might hate or not want to date men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 02:31 PM |
| 3 | Why do (some) women monopolize being pampered as something only women are entitled to in a relationship?The issue a couple months ago about women filming men in the gym was over exaggerated, no it’s not really something common to worry about,but this issue is very very pervasive and common even among reasonable progressive women. We have been able to meaningfully get rid of patriarchal expectations of women but the patriarchal expectations of men like we talk about here are very strong | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/24 02:29 PM |
| 2 | Do you really believe men were happier in their romantic relationships in the past, according to current standards?I thought of what you went on to say in the second paragraph while reading the first paragraph. I would more call them clear cut guidelines to success rather than expectations. In contrast to clear cut guidelines, We have been able to expand what it means to be a successful women in our society. We have not done the same at all for men. Men are still held to the same expectations but in a world that’s incoherent with those expectations. The old guidelines to success don’t work but men don’t have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/24 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Why women reject most men and how men can empathize with themYou don’t mean it as a criticism and thank you that’s fine. It’s just a statement that probably a majority of the time when those things are brought up in relation to dating, it’s blaming men for their problems. Like I said even if you improve your offline presence, men are still screwed over. Even if you improve your offline presence, we don’t have a society conducive for forming relationships | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/24 12:07 AM |
| 5 | Why women reject most men and how men can empathize with themOk fine I agree that they affect both genders but they are things we mostly criticize men in dating on. The situation we are in as a society isn’t conducive to forming relationships and men are more disadvantaged even if you increase your social circle and put more time into it outside of work. We expect men to do all the work in pursuing whether it’s meeting online or offline | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/24 11:46 PM |
| 6 | Why women reject most men and how men can empathize with themThat’s a different conversation but I’ll humor you. It is so true that approaching women in public is not something that is common anymore or encouraged. It has a bad connotation. Women also even complain that men don’t approach them. All of the things you mentioned except the last one put all the blame on men. Improving in your life the things that you mentioned really help but it’s very often not enough to overcome men’s situation. The issue on top of everything is that all of the recent socie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/24 11:38 PM |
| 5 | Why women reject most men and how men can empathize with themEmpathy for women is very abundant. We reframe many issues just to make them about women possibly suffering. “Climate change is a women’s issue” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/24 11:26 PM |
| 5 | Why women reject most men and how men can empathize with themThere are fewer and fewer of them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/24 11:22 PM |
| 3 | Question for women: Have you tried making a fake dating profile as a man to see how it would go on tinder/bumble/any other dating service?None of that supports the idea that men rely more on dating apps. I’m being reasonable and undramatic when I say approaching women in public is not something that is normal, accepted or works anymore. Even if it was and we just expect that young men just automatically have the skills to approach when they don’t. Neither do women have the skills to be approached | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/24 11:05 PM |
| 1 | There's a huge difference between what younger women want and what older women want which I believe causes a lot of confusion between what works best for datingYou and the people you know do not necessarily represent how all women are. It’s called anecdotal evidence | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/24 07:34 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionOk I understand but i don’t think your point is true. This focus on there being more or less social rules to follow is not talked about that much. The map here people don’t talk about it and it’s not really at play with what you are describing. What’s at play is firstly again we aren’t as critical of women as we are of men so women can get away with growing to be more rude and irrational. Women are rude to guys that approach them not because of the prevalence of online dating but because those w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/24 12:10 AM |
| 1 | Most of what gives women the "ick" are just perceived shortcomings of masculinityNo an ick can be anything depending on the person, and the term became part of pop culture recently as it was being used on really shallow silly things like the way a guy sits | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 10:25 PM |
| 2 | Most of what gives women the "ick" are just perceived shortcomings of masculinityPoint one is our society doesn’t talk about positive masculinity. That’s not a thing. No women don’t want to let men embrace their emotions without judgement. A man that is too emotional is one of the classic icks You don’t get or want to get men’s perspective. It’s not about positive or negative traits here. I don’t get that men are constantly complaining on this sub and everywhere about dating but women like you can’t bring yourself to have empathy and try to understand them. We have been effe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 10:22 PM |
| 13 | Most of what gives women the "ick" are just perceived shortcomings of masculinityNo he’s not telling you that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 10:06 PM |
| 16 | Most of what gives women the "ick" are just perceived shortcomings of masculinityEmotionally intelligent has been thrown around too much to the point it has lost any useful meaning just like toxic masculinity. You don’t really get to finding out if someone is emotionally intelligent unless they have met the mark on looks and money | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 10:05 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionYour response is what is called a red herring. Our cultural shifts do almost always head towards less rules. The positive of that is that we are more accepting of people who the previous rules excluded. Yes because of the internet and online dating things have drastically changed since even the recent past. That’s generally accepted and not a fringe mansphere thing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 09:52 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionI’m not a historian but my understanding is that there was more specific and strict rule book about “courting” women in previous eras and generations | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:55 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionYou lost. People very rarely reveal the why behind rejection. The how behind rejection is the majority of what is talked about in the “discourse”. The why doesn’t matter at the end of the day because the outcome is the same | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 04:39 AM |
| 3 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionIn reality things can’t be like that. Our cultural shifts are always towards less social rules. It’s why people are becoming more lonely and lost because there’s no strict road map to follow anymore. We still have many social rules for men and the only way things can go that would balance it out is getting rid of the social rules for men like we did for women. For most instances it goes unseen when someone is unreasonable to another in dating. There’s nothing to criticize. It’s so easy for women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 04:36 AM |
| 4 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionWhat a silly comment. I do think women complaining about perfectly respectful men is happening. Complaining about men doing something possibly wrong in dating at every step for whatever is life for men in dating. It’s just a fact of society that unreasonable rude people exist and it doesn’t mean a// w0men are b4d that unreasonable women exist. Look at you saying men have to be calm, accept no, do it in an appropriate place. We don’t have this check list of everything that could be done wrong for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 09:44 PM |
| 3 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionIt doesn’t need to cover them all. If it happens with enough people than it’s significant enough to be able to talk about. The internet talking about nice guys definitely happens more than men being nice guys in real life happens | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 09:20 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionJust because you have not seen something doesn’t mean it has not happened. Yes women reject men based on physical attractiveness or just don’t let them get far enough to get rejected | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 09:10 PM |
| 2 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionYes a bad thing that happens a lot is a bigger issue than a bad thing that barely happens. And the second thing I said was the way men often reject is not rude or controversial. Men just don’t put in any effort into the woman to reject her and the woman was not going to put in effort into the man first anyways so everyone just moves on with their lives and no harm done | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 09:03 PM |
| 8 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionThere are definitely some things in dating that society criticizes women on but not much compared to men. Women would disagree because they don’t pay much mind to men’s problems to be able to compare | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:38 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionI am saying you are focusing on specific cases that don’t represent the experiences of the majority of people. Ignorant people online do that with everything possible and it’s a simple concept that you shouldn’t do that. For example I have seen studies on the highways with the most traffic in the US. What if someone tried to downplay the study saying “well I have been on that highway before and there was no traffic” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:35 PM |
| -3 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionIf you are that old and still on a sub like this than that is sad. Hopefully I move on from this sub and society shifts when I get to your age and I mostly have | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:30 PM |
| 6 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionThat comment is what is called a rhetorical question which is silly and worthless. Men are so obsessed with rejection not because of a individual woman possibly doing it to them once but it turns into years and years of a lot of failure and rejection which is really rough | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:28 PM |
| 1 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionThat’s not it at all. Read what everyone else is saying that’s not it. People using different definitions of terms in online debating is very common in general, it’s called equivocation fallacy, but it’s not common with the nice guy term. Men rejecting women is not the same as women rejecting men at all. Men and women are in different realities in dating everyone knows this. Men are the ones that approach and pursue and doing that brings the risk of experiencing a lot of rejection. Women expect … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:23 PM |
| 4 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionThe internet talking about nice guys is extremely overblown. Men do not do that as much as we talk about it. Men do not cold approach much either. We have a million terms and critiques for what men can possibly do wrong in courting and dating but not much for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:10 PM |
| 4 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionYour question is based on anecdotes and exceptions. I still don’t understand why ignorant people online are still so stuck on focusing on anecdotes and exceptions. There are every type of woman out there who likes every type of man. All Men despite their looks and everything have varying levels of luck and success with dating. Just because you can point out an anecdote of a man who was lucky does not mean most men have the same luck | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:07 PM |
| 11 | The "nice guy" trope is a defense mechanism which women deploy to divert attention from the fact that they are rejecting a guy based on a lack of physical attractionThe point he is trying to make is that we have a bunch of vocabulary and ways to blame everything that could go wrong with dating on men but we are very charitable towards women. The term nice guy is thrown around a lot more than it is actually happening to the point that yes it’s an excuse for being superficial | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 07:34 PM |
| 5 | Cold approaching women is usually taken as a compliment unless the guy is fuck ugly or disrespectfulYeah it’s really bad to do that. Don’t exchange numbers and then block the person | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 01:42 PM |
| 2 | Cold approaching women is usually taken as a compliment unless the guy is fuck ugly or disrespectfulYou guys aren’t real people | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 01:40 PM |
| 0 | Cold approaching women is usually taken as a compliment unless the guy is fuck ugly or disrespectfulIt is silly that a big percentage of comments on this sub are long debunked cliches so we needed this response but come on at the very least things have changed since even 2007 towards women valuing looks a lot more. It’s not a consolation now as well that women that women message uglier guys because women are addicted to ghosting today. It’s obvious Ugly guys with bad pictures don’t get matches done end of conversation. I try to always focus on the data but obviously there is not tons of data s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 12:47 PM |
| 4 | Do men just not care about being abused as much as women?The male loneliness epidemic is just something to take seriously as a matter of fact by default just like we take women’s issues seriously. You’re point is that you are a sad person talking with other sad men online and are trying to come up with some logical conclusion from it when nobody involved is being logical | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:31 PM |
| 3 | Do men just not care about being abused as much as women?You are silly. What you are describing that men argue against you is called the perfection solution fallacy or nirvana fallacy. They are wrong because they are arguing for a fallacy and that’s it. But then you link them being wrong to men just want sex and helping them with loneliness is futile. If men and society knew what they were doing with addressing this problem then it wouldn’t be as big of a problem as it is | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:25 PM |
| 4 | Do men just not care about being abused as much as women?You are sad just making this about sex. You women complaining about pill guys get more annoying than the pill guys. Friends family and community value and interact with women a different way to how they do with men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:07 PM |
| 6 | Do men just not care about being abused as much as women?The barely moral guy is being too extreme but women please realize here that it’s super common for women to say I’d rather be alone but men no matter their situation never say that ever. I think that’s not because of loneliness, it’s because a relationship is not a choice that ever presented to men. Men have to go seek out and really try for a relationship or they get nothing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:02 PM |
| – | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.You guys are using a different definition of agreeableness than what the pill guys use and this is turning into an equivocation fallacy. It’s not about asking men to be “agreeable” to also doing the housework. She is just focused on the housework point and is trying to shoehorn it in. The men super focused on women being agreeable probably don’t actually understand it because they have little experience in relationships, that’s probably true. It’s not an easy or attainable representation for the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/24 02:40 AM |
| 3 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.That’s obtuse. Cleanliness is important to me too. Be reasonable that the earliest way is just visiting someone’s house for the first time and that’s already farther along than men get with most girls | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/24 10:48 AM |
| 0 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.I mean yeah I never said anything related to wanting submissive women. You are combining the original post into our thread and making something incoherent. I was responding to what you said, explaining why telling the housework stuff to men is silly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/24 02:05 AM |
| -3 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.We gotta stop with the housework relationship stuff | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:42 PM |
| 9 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.You weren’t saying that. You can’t tell that a man is good at housework when you see him randomly in public or social gathering. Men are focused on that beginning first meeting someone. I’m sorry I keep reiterating that but being capable of being an adult is not something you are going to be able to see until later when getting to know someone. This bring to the table phrase is used 1000% more to men than to women. Men don’t have high expectations of women in general. Many men settle for one of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:38 PM |
| 9 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.That wasn’t your whole point. Your point was men should be agreeable too and a lot about housework. Most single guys here don’t even expect that a women will talk to them, let alone a relationship. No they aren’t expecting the 50s and they won’t get a partner expecting the 50s. The common theme for talking about dating with men is it’s all about getting the women in the first place. Realize that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:30 PM |
| 6 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.Getting a partner is easier than keeping one but you have to get a partner before you can worry about keeping one. tons and tons of men are struggling with even getting one so they haven’t got to keeping yet. You have to realize that. All the pill stuff just based around getting a girl. There’s no reason for them to worry about housework. You need much more than trying to get a second date. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:28 PM |
| 1 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.So yes you agree the housework point is a dumb and should stop being used because it’s irrelevant to the single men who have never lived with women that you are saying it to. Go take this up with your husband | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:22 PM |
| 16 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.That’s just a given. Theres a million more things that make women not like men. I don’t see how random other men can help you with that your husband doesn’t do housework. Random other men who have never lived with a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:20 PM |
| 11 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.Most men looking at this haven’t lived with a women yet in their lives yet | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:13 PM |
| 6 | It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women.This housework point has to stop because most men struggling with dating, especially the young ones, haven’t even gotten far enough in dating for that to be an issue. Talk it over with your partner that you have to already have to have this issue. It has nothing to do with all men. Almost all of men’s dating issues have to do with getting someone in the first place and not things within the relationship | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:12 PM |
| 1 | The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless)They exist but probably not too many | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:08 PM |
| 2 | The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless)You are right | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:07 PM |
| 2 | The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless)There’s still tons of good advice out there and improving yourself works. Dating is super hard for men. There’s not one advice that will work and that goes for advice on anything. There’s not an equal number of poor and rich guys struggling with dating I bet. There’s not an equal number of fat and muscular men struggling. Those pieces of advice remind me of brain dead people from this sub who just like to argue and move the goalpost instead of being reasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 11:04 PM |
| 2 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??I didn’t disagree that average people are getting in relationships and that you see them everyday. They are but it’s happening a lot less now and that’s a reality that makes the point you are making look very silly. There are tons of well fed people in countries facing famines, you see them everyday, but that doesn’t mean a famine isn’t happening. It’s a very easy concept. This very dumb cliche point that you are making needs to stop. It’s irrelevant. It’s also the case that you probably see way… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 10:55 PM |
| 1 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??This one doesn’t need to be discussed. Men don’t go for only the top % of women. That’s it. Reality smacks you in the face pretty quickly if you try. It does kind of get back to what I was saying in the other thread that women just don’t get out that much and public and social places are almost always majority men. If women aren’t making themselves open and accessible to men then men can only go to the ones that are available | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 08:55 PM |
| 2 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??Come on now they aren’t. Least controversial take on this sub | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 08:32 PM |
| 5 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??What does that have to do with anything? All your responses here downplay way too much and are fallacious. Your response here is a red herring. We are talking about how many people are dating at a macro level. You are bringing up a random new topic talking about the individual level which you can’t compare to the societal level | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 08:24 PM |
| 3 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??Please have some humility and empathy and just listen and understand young guys. Your advice doesn’t work. Women aren’t going for only the top tier men but men are struggling the most at the very beginning stages and that’s where surface level stuff matters so much. Looks is the most important thing in meeting someone I have had to learn recently. I made a post here recently that got a lot of interaction talking about that women just don’t go out that much which is all I need to say for the seco… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 08:21 PM |
| 6 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??You are downplaying this to an insane degree. These pill people exist because things are not turning out fine. People in their 20s have all sorts of issues but some of the issues today are worse than ever including dating. You have seen the stat 60% of American men in their 20s are not dating. Omg using sex stats is insane here. Less and less young men are having sex than before so there you go and we say it over and over correctly that hookup culture is not fulfilling and bad. You need a relati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:57 PM |
| 2 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??But most men (especially in their 20s) are not doing fine You are the dog in the burning room meme | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:51 PM |
| 0 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??Not of that matters to most men in their 20s within most of the dating experience. Because they don’t get that far to worry about that. We are talking about the very basic beginning stuff and you have to admit he is right in that situation. We just don’t care to meet men where they are at and that’s why you are making that argument | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:50 PM |
| 1 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??No, it’s not about simply choosing come on. Trying to find a partner is hard today which is not simply choosing. Trying to afford a family is harder today which is not simply choosing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:48 PM |
| 4 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??There aren’t “loads” of average people in relationships. There’s more single people than ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:47 PM |
| 3 | With hypergamy, where to next for society??“From what I’ve seen” wow solid point Men aren’t going after the top subset of women. They aren’t. Arguing that women want an equal over women want someone who is better than them is silly because there isn’t much difference there and still unreasonable considering the fact that men would accept someone who is poorer and worse than them just fine. Even wanting a man that is at your level is becoming unreasonable in a world where so much more women are going to college than men behind other thing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:42 PM |
| -2 | Q4M: would you rather date a young naive, gullible woman or a young mature confident woman? Why?It really comes down to who the women picks not the men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:39 PM |
| 3 | Women are leaving dating appsWomen not wanting to meet men in real life has nothing to do with sex is the conclusion | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:37 PM |
| 2 | Women are leaving dating apps“Filtering out some things that indicate the man in question is just looking for sex”? wtf is that and clearly you haven’t talked to men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:22 PM |
| 4 | Women are leaving dating appsYou have to have some empathy for men and see it for their perspective which is a hard task today. How you describe dating apps for women would be amazing for men. It’s still so much worse for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:19 PM |
| 6 | Women are leaving dating appsYoung people are having less sex than ever so it’s not that. It can’t be that in any case because we are talking about approaching and meeting someone for the first time. No commitment or sex involved in that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:15 PM |
| 3 | Women are leaving dating appsMen want to date | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Women are leaving dating appsYou talking primarily about someone saying no to being approached is why nobody does it and it’s worthless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:11 PM |
| 12 | Women are leaving dating appsNobody does it. Women usually don’t open up themselves to be approached and don’t want to be except in very very specific places | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:10 PM |
| 6 | Women are leaving dating appsThey don’t work well but you should use whatever you can to find success. For me personally I go out tons to try to meet people. I have had success with making friends and gotten dates out of it but in the past year I have gotten more dates out of apps than meeting people in real life. Nobody approaches people in person in my gen in my vity | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:08 PM |
| -4 | Women are leaving dating appsNo | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI am going to sleep now after the music festival and it’s sadly nothing special. Tons of tons of young women but even more men, too many way too drunk men who keep falling over. My gay friend was pointing out oh that guy is cute more than I was seeing women. Nobody really intermingled except when they were saying sorry pushing through the crowd. I got a beer from a guy and chatted a bit once and another time a very social drunk couple danced with us was all. I tried to approach people but kind o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI understand what you are saying. These 2 party female friends love to plan stuff with me and I plan stuff to do with them just as much. I just went to a rave with one today. The issue is that these other events and places outside of dancing that are mostly female just don’t exist in my experience of going out constantly recently. The rave today obviously had tons and tons of young women but there were even more men and people were more focused on getting drunk than socializing with new people s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/24 03:51 AM |
| 3 | Does modern dating and the cut throat social heirarchy breed emotional distance and encourage anti social personalities in men?Give men who struggle socially is a bad take? I say to women because the women in this sub are pretty clear about not wanting to give an inch of empathy to men. Come on let’s be nice to each other Me receiving validation from women which drastically improved my mental health is my experience on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 10:37 PM |
| 4 | Does modern dating and the cut throat social heirarchy breed emotional distance and encourage anti social personalities in men?Tons of men want the just fine women. A large portion of men settle for whatever women reciprocates interest back. Mentioning decision paralysis shows more that your view on this is ignorant to how things are for the average men. Men in dating don’t remotely have decision paralysis. I’m for trying to help both men and women but our culture is for helping men a lot less. You can’t criticize the culture and downplay men. Downplaying men is our culture. Those issues affect everyone (not decision pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 10:35 PM |
| 12 | Does modern dating and the cut throat social heirarchy breed emotional distance and encourage anti social personalities in men?To women if this guy and tons of other guys like him would have received a little more empathy which is so easy then everything would be so much better for these guys and society. But guys are not allowed to receive empathy. For me having a genuinely positive interaction with a women that led to a friendship with her after years of struggling to get women to recognize I am human; it changed my brain chemistry, my anxiety, which was getting to the point that I was trying to see a doctor, 90% went… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 10:28 PM |
| 11 | Does modern dating and the cut throat social heirarchy breed emotional distance and encourage anti social personalities in men?In 2024 the majority of men don’t view women as disposable. Come on We are in 2024 not medieval times and women were not disposable ever in history. How women complain about men is always going to be about a chunk that is less than a majority because a lot of guys out there can’t event get women to acknowledge that they exist. There’s plenty of just fine men out there who want that romantic relationship but women today don’t want them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 10:23 PM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughOmg what a story. I have thought about it more and probably the only social groups for interacting with strangers that’s mostly women is probably just like specifically women only social groups | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThanks I do make sure to have fun regardless. I still go out and do stuff even if women don’t go out that much. No it’s garbage that women will make their way into your space. Spare me with your pick up story. Very few people approach and talk to strangers in public, young girls the least. The guy has to do more of the pursuing. I have made a bunch of great friends who are girls but they are the kind of girls who are amazing outgoing and make at least surface level friends with everyone they mee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 01:49 PM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI am all for calling out anecdotal evidence but obviously there are not stats for stuff like this. All we have is our observations yours is as good as mine. There’s other people agreeing on this observation in the specific stuff they do. I don’t even think there are stats on if women have more friends than men. but they probably do. Women do stuff with their friends that isn’t going out I guess because they are not going out as much as men. I think it’s a bigger factor with couples going out the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/24 04:16 AM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI am going to a one this weekend with a group of guys and girls and I will try. I have tried everything will keep at it. Hopefully it’s not like popular live music Venues in my city where most girls show up with a man. There’s definitely a lot of girls at concerts but a lot of times under 18 and the problem with concerts is nobody talks with strangers at all and then rushes out of there. You can’t talk at all with how loud it is. You are kind of stuck in your seat. I prefer going to music and da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/24 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughIt most likely is. In the US men are also obsessed with video games but a separate demographic of men are also the ones filling public spaces. Most women just like to read books, watch TikTok and do personal hobbies and friend get-togethers that you can do at home I guess. It’s probably a city thing too, young American women are in love with the biggest most unaffordable American cities but people here said they notice this in massive cities too I have not tried art class yet but it’s like $500 … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/24 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI assume just getting out there really stops working even more as you get older. Women already don’t go out that much in their 20s and even less so in the future. The moral of my post is that saying get out there and listing a bunch of activities to try doesn’t work. I wouldnt say it as a matter of fact but it’s my observation and the observation of other commenters that almost all activities that you do in public with strangers are going to be male dominated. Women are more shy. Men just not ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/24 08:09 PM |
| 3 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughWith that mindset you just have to expect that someone can come along and for men you can’t expect that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 05:25 PM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI’m in “panic mode” to lose more weight for the summer. I’m in the few extra pounds category. Everyone always blows off how much the pill guys focus on looks but I have recently witnessed a friend who has terrible conversation skills but great looks get approached by some girls at a YP event. He totally bottled the conversations with them but it didn’t really matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 03:52 PM |
| 3 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughWith the gender wars everyone likes to make dumb neutrality bias point like you are making both sides are equally irrational but they aren’t. Men are bad on some things women are bad on somethings and the men just have to be more reasonable overall because they struggle more with dating. That hasn’t made meeting harder. Every single other reason that people say is 1000% more prevalent. Women making their own money so finding men less appealing, dating apps, etc The people who don’t leave their h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 03:22 AM |
| 4 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI never said no women go out. I definitely never said no people go out because there’s a lot of men going out. There are people dating and getting married everyday even though there are a lot less of them happening today. Even in times of famine there have been well fed people. It’s an easy concept | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:59 AM |
| 3 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThat’s moving the goalpost even more. Like wow have you tried giving up and not caring about the problem. I actually have tried giving up and not caring and then I didn’t improve with dating and didn’t date for many years. I’m not saying you have to care about every single persons’ opinion of you but yes you have a care about a select few people’s opinions of you and dating requires society and other people | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:54 AM |
| 3 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughExactly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:49 AM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI 1000% know where to go and there’s not much. I have been constantly going out over the past year. Almost everyday it’s been too much. The best place is their home because women don’t go out that much but the best public places are young professional events. My friend even got asked for his number last Saturday. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:47 AM |
| 10 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThe dating gurus say that’s because women prefer men who have access to women and they are probably right. You might just be in a more popular city. My city is growing fast and doing a lot of cool development but it’s not there yet | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:38 AM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI didn’t realize that. That’s big | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:36 AM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThat’s moving the goalpost from your last response. This issue of dating and community kind of relies on other people. Humans need social connection. You can’t just say screw everyone else. I’m not hyper fixated on just the act of whether an issue is talked about or not. Whether an issue is talked about or not leads to whether we societally put effort towards fixing it, how people with that issue are able to work on it, how people treat those with that issue, etc | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:36 AM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughSociety overlooks many women’s issues but it’s not the same prevalence as the men’s issues that are overlooked. Put what you are saying in context. These issues around dating and community are the most severe for men and that’s why the meager focus on men has started with male loneliness. Society cares very deeply about countless women’s issues. We talk about women’s issues everyday. We often reframe things to talk about women being the victims in any situation because of patriarchy again that t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:15 AM |
| 10 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThey value that a man has options more than that a man wants to make time for one women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:01 AM |
| 4 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI went to twice this month to a Biergarten concert place mostly for young people and that matches my experience. I silently cheer men on when they approach girls and I can remember that happening like 5 times in the past year as I have gone out constantly in my mid size city in the past year. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:58 AM |
| 4 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughMost people in those places and in public in general are not talking to strangers. My fav places are where women attend and then it’s also very common to talk to strangers but then in those environments the men always get overzealous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:55 AM |
| -1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughIn my opinion it is that people don’t want to show empathy towards men. It’s because of the patriarchy. Men have to work hard and figure things out for themselves while women exist to be taken care of (which is why our society really deeply cares about women’s issues) Men have the same problems as women in dating that you describe but then a lot more that nobody knows about because it’s taboo to discuss. Obviously women have problems in dating that men do not which are well known and we talk abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:53 AM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI have done every advice out there and that’s why I’m coming to the conclusion that women just don’t go out that much. I need to accept that there’s just more young women in unaffordable cities like Miami and LA and I didn’t think they existed much at all in my city before the summer events started. My midsize community still has a sizeable Latin dancing community. Basically just 1 studio but a lot of people who go to the 1 studio. I am addicted to salsa and bachata. I go to the events constantl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:44 AM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughIt’s true but I thought they just didn’t exist at all in B-tier cities until summer when more go out in public. Young Women are much more financially independent from their parents than young men probably because of help from friends and boyfriends. That definitely helps when you move to an unaffordable city. I have an international friend who used to live with his gf abroad. They broke up because long distance wouldn’t work when he moved to my US city and his gf moved to London. He even helped … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:29 AM |
| 27 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughPreach man preach. Things I have found that are good for meeting women usually turn into male dominated quickly. New Young professional social happy hours and new social dancing events. People are constantly blaming men that they don’t go out enough but there’s a community of them that totally do and they are filling up everything that remotely looks like an organic in person community out there. Thought of another one volleyball club and hipster bouldering gym | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:25 AM |
| 8 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughPreach man preach. For me college was also a bad place because I was in a difficult major and I didn’t have the social skills and maturity there yet. I didn’t have the money or time outside of school to work on that. Now outside of college I have the time and money to work on myself and things have improved drastically but it can’t overcome that women don’t go out that much and arent that interested in the average man | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:22 AM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI don’t think the gym is good. I’m just realizing that looks are a bigger factor than I previously worried about and a gained a few pounds during Christmas that I never put effort into losing. When I first started this journey of getting myself out there in a new city I lost 30 lbs. My work is constantly getting me out of my comfort zone. Outside of work I’m getting myself out of my comfort zone as much as I can and it was constantly happening towards the beginning. My point of this post is that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThe next thing I’m going to do is big brothers big sisters lol. From the outside it seems like you will just get to know the kid and not women which will still be an amazing experience. They are doing a big outreach campaign for men in my city and it’s the first time in a while that “we need men” is being said in our society and it’s great. I want to do it but my schedule is already too full with all the activities I do and I want to focus on meeting girls now that they actually leave their hous… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:06 AM |
| 5 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughYes but try to understand the basic concept that there are less chances when less people are leaving their houses. Harder on top of that in any season for men in their 20’s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 01:00 AM |
| 5 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI don’t go to only male specific events or places where young people don’t go. You are in correct in that I can’t be in every place at once. I have found a few select places to meet young women but they are rare. My mid-size city only has a handful of walkable neighborhoods where young people hang out. Everywhere else is car centric where you can’t meet people. I’m constantly going to those social young places so much so that now I’m going to the gym enough and trying to switch to going to the g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 12:56 AM |
| 48 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughLol and that’s another observation I have made but I would not say it’s a fact. It’s a fact women don’t go out as much as men but I have noticed in the recent summer events I have done, most of the young women who do go out are with a man. People always say, dating isn’t in trouble, go outside and look at all the couples; everyone is in a couple. No, couples just over represent in those who leave the house. Couples are also really heart warming to see so they stand out more than all the single p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 12:51 AM |
| 8 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughEven if you are outgoing and extroverted it’s hard to meet women for men which is why I’m making the point that women just don’t go out that much | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 12:48 AM |
| 8 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI have thought about it enough that I am making this point as a matter of fact lol. Women just don’t go out that much. So it’s not about me but yes I have done volunteering in this past year and I’m planning on doing more. My observation was that older people outnumber younger people in volunteering so it kind of negates that women do it more if you are looking for other young people. Part of this issue is also that we have an aging population and there are a lot more old people than previous ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 12:44 AM |
| 10 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI posted this again because it was taken down because I put the wrong flair and I talked about giving empathy to men and people really do not want to give empathy to men. You gave a really pessimistic answer to someone on that first post. I’m saying this super optimistic, ready to do tons more work on this, that women just don’t go out which makes doing events to meet people hard. Plenty of uninteresting people can get a gf. Plenty of interesting people cannot. Being interesting is not the key t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 12:33 AM |
| 0 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.Yeah you really can’t help yourself from being negative and argumentative | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 10:12 PM |
| 0 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.It totally is. Guys are rigid because that’s how they have to be in our society | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 09:48 PM |
| 2 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.Because men don’t get to experience as much. They are good at intellectualizing because they have to figure stuff out for themselves to make any progress. Or they just think and don’t progress known as the 25 year old thinker | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 09:03 PM |
| 0 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.You couldn’t help yourself from being negative and argumentative. You are right and you are basically talking about passiveness and agree ability. Women are more valued for that. A passive and agreeable man is going to struggle in life. Men only mention the positives of women being sex and relationships because that’s the only time they receive positives. Not profound. Men being friends with women is pretty rare. Women treating men like humans outside of relationships and like work are amazing a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 09:00 PM |
| 9 | How Much of Guys Being Sex Obsessed is Socially Constructed?You are right but it’s not much of a distinction. Both are high and weird expectations | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 06:51 PM |
| 6 | How Much of Guys Being Sex Obsessed is Socially Constructed?It’s because it’s not a single event. It’s their whole identity because it happens over and over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 06:48 PM |
| 12 | How Much of Guys Being Sex Obsessed is Socially Constructed?That’s not much of a distinction | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 06:21 PM |
| 6 | FEMINISM WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADYou are saying men need to have some accountability like that’s an original thought. All of men’s problems are blamed on themselves. Being a men by definition today is taking accountability. Women don’t take accountability. You have to realize the obvious that all problems have a mix of personal responsibility and societal causes. It’s not always 100% your own fault. Definitely not always 100% society’s fault. There’s always been duds but we are experiencing a lot more duds than normal which goe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 02:39 AM |
| 11 | The View has declared men useless on mainstream televisionYes 100% they are (for the worse) I can’t believe you thought that was a good response You were just using the point that the view has very low viewership but last time I checked Fox News had one of the biggest audiences | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 01:33 AM |
| 9 | The View has declared men useless on mainstream televisionYou have no idea what you are talking about. Every one of your takes on this sub suck. There’s a big conversation about grassroots vs corporate backed things being the real mainstream. Downplaying any of the big corporate media shows as not mainstream is silly and wrong. Manufacturing consent. Corporate media disagrees with most people on almost everything but have the loudest voice and are able to shift public opinion | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 01:25 AM |
| 7 | The View has declared men useless on mainstream televisionOlder people vote the most and have the most money so are so important in our societies. They engage more with the world than at least young people. Come on now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 01:19 AM |
| 6 | The View has declared men useless on mainstream televisionYes it’s mainstream | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 01:18 AM |
| – | Question for those who say men shouldn't worry about a woman's high body count when seriously dating/marryingCome back and tell us what the next BF thinks | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 12:57 AM |
| – | Question for those who say men shouldn't worry about a woman's high body count when seriously dating/marryingIt’s totally up for discussion. Always has been and always will be. You women like this have zero empathy for men so there’s no coherent dating world view that works based on not caring about it. Screw everyone else in the world who thinks bad of me is not coherent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 12:54 AM |
| – | What's your dating hot take? Something you believe from your own dating experiences that this sub would typically disagree with?I mean you are bringing up the demographic who have dating the hardest out of anyone. I don’t care to use the word exponentially but yes it’s “night and day” difference in difficulty for men in their 20s vs women. Admit women in general don’t approach. Idk how much you approach vs a man in a similar life situation but you probably arent in a situation where you are screwed if you don’t approach and probably are still screwed even if you approach which is men’s situation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 12:47 AM |
| – | What's your dating hot take? Something you believe from your own dating experiences that this sub would typically disagree with?That’s all dating app stuff which doesn’t work | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 12:37 AM |
| – | What's your dating hot take? Something you believe from your own dating experiences that this sub would typically disagree with?Those are perfectly normal and not hot takes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 12:36 AM |
| – | What's your dating hot take? Something you believe from your own dating experiences that this sub would typically disagree with?Those aren’t hot takes and our current situation is not infinitely preferable to situations in other countries or systems in past. Latin American and many other cultures are so much more community and social focused and not individualistic. Fewer become adults with bad social skills and you run into tons of people naturally. Another example is Indian friend explained to me the modern version of arranged marriages is that everyone tries to date on their own at first but for those who don’t succee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 12:30 AM |
| – | What's your dating hot take? Something you believe from your own dating experiences that this sub would typically disagree with?That doesn’t change that dating is harder for men especially those early 20s men. Men just looking for sex approach way more than other men and women don’t approach so that situation forms your perspective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: What's your feelings towards women?It’s way more common and accepted for women to men than for men to hate women. I’ve also never heard of men pedestalizing women when that is super common for men to do to women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.It is | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 01:47 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?I didn’t say most sex is bought. I said a lot is bought and you need more than sex for a good life. Yes men have to work constantly. I’m so happy that I ended up in a place where I have good friends and good role models around me. But it’s shitty that it’s not the same for women but yeah I have long moved on from that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 03:23 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?Exactly but we don’t have to shit on each other. Men’s response to hearing other men’s problems is to immediately shit on them and give them some kind of advice. Women just try to comfort other women complaining about their problems. There’s pros and cons to both responses but you guys have to realize you can do as much grinding as you want but there is a lot of powerlessness to the issues we are facing. Dating and the economy is more screwed for young men than ever before and comfort would be n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 03:20 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?I was not talking about women’s tastes just that women are treated polar opposites. Don’t be surprised that men disconnect from society when the economic opportunities look really bad for them and on top of that you treat them like scum. Feminism was something done to change how men and people in general treat women and I think we are at the start of shifting how we treat men. Have some empathy. Everyone on here is mad and broken and they don’t need more hate | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 03:09 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?Putting in the work is something you don’t see until end. You definitely don’t see it through the screen. You are going off on people who you don’t know what they have done and what they are going through. And again it’s bad that you use sex stats because tons of that sex is bought and you need more than that for happy friendships and relationships in your life. I think it’s fine to mention that nothing you said applies to women but complaining about that gets boring quickly and guys need to mov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 03:06 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?Everyone needs to calm it down. If you have no empathy for men and constantly shit on them I don’t see the point in being in a pill community. It’s so rare to find empathy for men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 02:51 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?It’s mainstream that a lot of people are not doing well. It’s rightly annoying for men that men are constantly criticized and all their issues are blamed on themselves. For women it’s the opposite. It’s taboo to criticize women and we commonly focus on blaming societal causes for women’s problems | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 02:50 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?It’s very normal and very common to criticize men in our society but it’s very taboo to the do the same with women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 02:45 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?Normal people realize there’s more to happy healthy dating than how many times you have sex in a year. This sub is crazy people getting mad at sad broken people | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 02:45 PM |
| – | Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population?You guys are crazy if you think sex is enough. A lot of that is paying for sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Men took advantage of the Sexual revolution and are seeing a natural consequence of that.Wow dude you did exactly what I’m saying without realizing it. You are searching for every little thing to criticize men for and blaming men for stuff they did not do. Especially today our culture is about individualism and not owing anybody anything. Women don’t want men to worry about women especially with the issue you are describing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 02:40 PM |
| 1 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.Not allowed is a synonym of being taboo in that taboo sense of the phrase. Not by-law not allowed. You are doing an equivocation fallacy. Look that up because it’s exactly what you are doing. It being taboo to criticize women is not a good thing for our society. It’s so sad to hear people so mad and exaggerated right out of the gate like you and about sadder when it’s about topics like this. Like when I ask my apartment management nicely for something and they are pissed and argumentative immedi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 02:36 PM |
| 2 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.Again nobody said western women were undesirable except you. I didn’t say I expect women to be silent and docile. I said in respectable society it’s taboo to criticize women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Men took advantage of the Sexual revolution and are seeing a natural consequence of that.I think your thing here is a part of our outrage culture to blame men for everything possible. Men who respect and leave women alone are also bad. We have an overload of criticism and hate on men while it’s taboo to criticize women for anything and that is causing men to drop out of society and just hangout play video games and jerk off. This dynamic is because of the patriarchy. Your ideas push the patriarchy. Women are infantilized while men get to receive no sympathy and have to rise up | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Men took advantage of the Sexual revolution and are seeing a natural consequence of that.You are blaming men for things they didn’t do. It’s really common to do that with societal issues with men but for women everyone realizes it’s really dumb to blame the faults of very few women and all women. The lonely men today and the men taking advantage of women in the past/today are totally separate groups | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 06:45 PM |
| 4 | The reason why women aren't actively trying to date men is because they were told that men need to pursue a woman, otherwise she is labeled as "needy/clingy" for showing interest.Ma’am you are on a pill subreddit on reddit | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 05:38 PM |
| 3 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.In normal respectable society women aren’t insulted and aren’t allowed to be criticized. Women accepting criticism just doesn’t happen much, there’s obviously no data on that. There’s a blurry line between insult and criticism. You guys are finding the craziest fringe people to be mad at which is not reasonable and silly. Normal people in respectable would not dare insult a woman. You cant say that evil is an undesirable trait, therefore he said women are undesirable. That doesn’t logically foll… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:42 PM |
| 1 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.What a response. Idk where jlo came from | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:35 PM |
| 2 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.Are women not allowed to be criticized? In our society apparently not but men 1000% are allowed to be criticized. Women don’t waste time to do it. That difference in how we treat men and women in our society doesn’t work. Men are expected to accept the criticism and improve themselves. Women are not and really don’t want to accept criticism at all as you show. You want to be treated as above for some reason. I don’t see that he said western women are undesirable. Your group of women hate most me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 11:18 AM |
| 4 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.In the US we are allowed to criticize men but it is really taboo to criticize women and that just doesn’t work. It’s just my experience that international women and people in general are more reasonable and open to making friends and dating. We have to be able to criticize women too. It’s not that western women are bad but they hate most western men so what are western men supposed to do? You guys are taking this to the extreme. I’m taking with this person about dating international people being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 11:09 AM |
| -4 | Very few if any men fit this weird definition women rattle off of “thinking women owe them sex”Omg what a response. Societies come and go? Seriously? You are ok with your family, community, city and country failing and ceasing to exist? Everything we have done for nothing? Civilization is only tens of thousands of years old and the earth hopefully has millions of years left and then we build spaceships or something. Checkmate you lost this argument. Not a sane take. You definitely care to respond with it doesn’t matyer we will all die someday. Mentioning infinite growth just means you don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 05:15 AM |
| 3 | Very few if any men fit this weird definition women rattle off of “thinking women owe them sex”All of that again has nothing to do with what I said. You are putting stuff in quotes that I and nobody said. Apparently I came out and said men are owed people. We are all at like a 4 and you are at a 10. It will take a lot out of you and most women in the post to admit that men are owed certain things by society, not sex, but that’s true that’s why it’s a society. “Men aren’t owed shit” You guys are talking about sex on the individual level but on the societal we kind of rely on people having … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 04:54 AM |
| 7 | Very few if any men fit this weird definition women rattle off of “thinking women owe them sex”You were the person with really out of touch comment under another post People do think women are owed things by society It’s so innate that for you we don’t need to go into it unless people want to but I think most will agree men and society owe women quite a few things | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 04:37 AM |
| 4 | The decline in marriage is good for societyThis issue doesn’t compute for women who hate men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 04:20 AM |
| 15 | Very few if any men fit this weird definition women rattle off of “thinking women owe them sex”Women don’t owe men shit but men and society owe women tons of things in dating and in general is how things function right now and it just doesn’t work. You live in a society. We do owe each other, including men tons of things, not sex but more than shit | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 04:18 AM |
| 4 | Very few if any men fit this weird definition women rattle off of “thinking women owe them sex”All of that has nothing to do with what we said. We talk about women and men so differently. Wanting that men are owed anything by society is terrible but women should be owed tons of things and that’s good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 04:13 AM |
| 4 | How do you think this "gender war" is going to end?Most young men don’t have contact with women so couldn’t do anything. You guys aren’t understanding that. You don’t even think those men exist. Yes how men hurt women are super important issues but we can’t keep derailing talking about men’s issues to make it about women’s issues. Telling men who have given up on dating and the world that they are bad for all that stuff makes no sense and turns men crazy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:54 AM |
| 6 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.The commenters go directly straight to sex tourism and taking advantage of women and aren’t saying international dating is ok | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:48 AM |
| 1 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.It’s not a lie. The OP even added an edit. My experience moving to a new city in the US is that international people here are way more open, warm and looking to make friends and that extends to dating. Part of it is that they are new to the city too but even the Americans new to the city are just not as interested in friends and community. I haven’t been able to make an American friend except for a coworker after trying for a couple months to plan something. Most American women are not intereste… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:47 AM |
| – | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.This post isn’t even about RP stuff. It’s about American women believing they are superior and foreign women not hating women. For people who hate men like you, RP bs and genuine men’s issues are one in the same. You are bringing up RP and complaining about men unprompted. It’s very rare for someone online to saying anything nice about men (which makes men go crazy like I said) Men going right is talked about all the time but I’m saying the reason being that everyone hates men and treats them co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:40 AM |
| 1 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.Just repeating what you already said is going to make me repeat what I already said. Most people in real life don’t care but women online care. You wouldn’t think women complaining about men online would be that common but it is. They don’t support what you are talking about. Again the OP just talked about foriegn women not hating men and in good relationships with men but everyone made it about s3x tourism and exploitation. Definitely serious issues but it’s not responding to the OP from people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:29 AM |
| – | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.Ok yes you definitely hate men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:22 AM |
| 2 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.I think I saw you posting something similar in another post. Your data even agrees that in most relationships the man makes more. Just looking at married people is the wrong place to look because the main issue with dating is that more people than ever are single and struggling to date. Calling things transactional happens earlier on I guess. People in long term healthy relationships are not as transactional but there are a lot less people like that now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:21 AM |
| 9 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.It’s more transactional than ever in the US | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:16 AM |
| 2 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.You guys really hate men we get it. It is not talked enough reasonable reasons why young men lean right and women left and I think you guys are discussing one of them. The world treats men more coldly and cut throat and that makes them go pretty crazy and lean right because that’s an everyone fend for themselves ideology. Women experience the opposite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:12 AM |
| 3 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.This is an extremely online issue, it’s less common in real life, but women online shitting in men for this don’t care whether it’s a great relationship or not. I feel like that’s pretty clear even just from these comments and idk the success rate of these men going abroad | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:07 AM |
| 2 | Nothing makes many western women more angry than women in other countries, especially non-western countries, having happy relationships with men that those western women think they shouldn't be dating.Just these comments for example. The post was mainly just about nonwestern women who don’t hate men and have happy relationships but everyone is focusing on men going abroad. At least online, maybe not as much in real life, women do care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 03:04 AM |
| 2 | How Seriously Do Men Take Age For Women?Most Guys in their 20s haven’t been successful in even step 1 of getting a girlfriend so how could they worry about kids? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 02:12 AM |
| 2 | How Seriously Do Men Take Age For Women?Let’s all be honest that there’s no way you anybody on this sub is getting a top 20% person and this demographic calculators have shown that those really high standards that we correlate with top 20% actually are only met by less than 1% of men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 02:07 AM |
| 2 | How Seriously Do Men Take Age For Women?Most men in their 20s are single and are really trying to find a gf and can’t manage it. This 23 year old going on a date with a 45+ guy will get you pushback from everybody. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 02:03 AM |
| 8 | CMV: Young people in general just don't want commitment, male or female, beautiful or uglyThat’s what I’m talking about that you live the lives of women and don’t understand how things are for young men. I’m surprised that there are almost no w0men on here with real empathy for men. Kinda useless to be involved in anything pill related and not have empathy for men. The stat I am citing is for relationships short or long term, committed or not so much. Yes most young men are having an issue attracting women. A large portion of young men have trouble attracting men or women into their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 01:54 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Young people in general just don't want commitment, male or female, beautiful or uglyIt has been said a thousand times but men judge women’s looks realistically (not only a few women are good enough). Looks are not the same as height because only a few men are above 6ft and you can work on your appearance and improve it. I don’t think it’s the case that women are doing plastic surgery for men. Men pay thousands on courses to try to get better with women but most women don’t care what men want. They do the plastic surgery for themselves but obviously because of seeing other women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 12:38 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Young people in general just don't want commitment, male or female, beautiful or uglyYou are being oddly specific about the frat party guys. Obviously most young men are not like that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 12:25 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Young people in general just don't want commitment, male or female, beautiful or uglyThe provider or girl boss judgements are to the extreme and most people don’t judge harshly like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 12:20 AM |
| 10 | CMV: Young people in general just don't want commitment, male or female, beautiful or uglyYou guys live the lives of women and don’t understand how things are for young men. The pew research stat is 30% of young women in their 20s are single while it’s 60% for men. Most Young Men are desperately really trying to get a girlfriend and can’t even manage that. It’s cliche but let’s be honest and admit that when you say men won’t commit you are just thinking in certain men who have a lot of options and thus less incentive to commit | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 12:18 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Young people in general just don't want commitment, male or female, beautiful or uglyThey aren’t being blown up. Third places have always been bad and they have been getting better lately. The issue is we are in a society of people who don’t like leaving their house and are addicted to the internet. Money and overworking affects that. There’s tons of third places there’s just not tons of interest in them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 12:11 AM |
| -1 | What more can be asked of men?You guys have been hurt | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/24 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: When you say “women are wonderful” effect, can you provide some examples of why, how, and what is causing that effect?Patriarchy is a real thing and a common used word whether you like it or not. I like using the framing and phrasing of my opponent because in debates we usually do not care about winning over or trying to understand our opponents | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/24 11:59 PM |
| – | Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family"RP is bad and that’s it. Men don’t get much real life experience with relationships so they get mad and do their best to figure stuff out online | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/24 11:57 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: When you say “women are wonderful” effect, can you provide some examples of why, how, and what is causing that effect?It’s part of the patriarchy which is usually described as some innate phenomenon. Patriarchy has benefits for both men and women. Obviously more had benefits for men in the past. We have been able to get rid of a lot of the disadvantages for women but the advantages for women are stronger than ever like this one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/24 02:59 AM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family"She forgot that stat that like 40%ish of adult American women are single and childless and that group is growing fast. In the modern day it’s super normal | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/24 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family"(And men). Men don’t get to which is why the pill stuff exists | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/24 02:39 AM |
| 1 | What are men allowed to complain about today?There were a lot of figures in feminism, civil rights, etc that were extremist crazy and there were a lot that were viewed as crazy at the time but were reasonable. We don’t focus on that now because those movements have entered the mainstream. The crazy and hated people still help because negative press is still press and people like hearing negative press. Trump received an insane amount of free press in the 2016 election. Everyone knew he was in the race whether you wanted to or not. Same wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 03:53 AM |
| 2 | What are men allowed to complain about today?I’m against them but let’s keep it real that If it wasn’t for those folks male problems would get even less attention than it does now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 03:45 AM |
| 2 | What are men allowed to complain about today?Those are great examples of problems but they really apply to both genders equally. When it comes to more men-specific examples like difficulty with dating, loneliness, being seen as an aggressor by default, and difficulty with finding their respect and place in a society that values men a lot less, men don’t get much empathy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 03:25 AM |
| 2 | 80/20 rule origins?There’s an issue with women talking about what men do in dating that since we never talk about men’s problems or standards, women obviously then don’t know men’s problems and standards Men don’t just go for the top 20% of women. Period that’s its move on. That’s not how it works for men and it can’t because men don’t have the options to just go for the very best. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 03:01 AM |
| -2 | 80/20 rule origins?You need a lot more than Messaging back for a relationship | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 02:56 AM |
| 1 | Why do some redpill men get angry when talking to an older woman?The flair should be called rhetorical question because that’s what that is. People hold the pill people’s views commonly in 2 contradictory fallacious ways. Their views are not valid in any way (so why bother refuting them) but also we really need to refute their views. RP stuff doesn’t need to be refuted. It doesn’t matter if it’s right or wrong. It’s all wrong. It exists because men are not doing well right now is what needs to be understood | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 02:32 AM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?You’re not trying to figure out because you are asking rhetorical questions. There’s hundreds of comments with answers. Specific examples I agree are necessary in the confirmation but most won’t be useful because an example probably won’t apply to everyone. This article talks about an honestly extreme example where we frame a woman doing something wrong as a call for help and she was actually the victim, but again there’s no good overarching example that could apply to most women article | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 02:00 AM |
| 5 | Embracing the Rise of the 'Soft Guy Era'You are nuts. There’s more to a great healthy relationship than just sex and children | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:55 AM |
| 0 | Embracing the Rise of the 'Soft Guy Era'You have to look at unmarried women too vs married women because if their dating pool did shrink then a lot of rich women just aren’t married | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:52 AM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?Youre not being reasonable. 2 of your responses are rhetorical questions. We don’t blame women for almost anything and we try to frame women as the victims in situations almost whenever possible | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:50 AM |
| 3 | Embracing the Rise of the 'Soft Guy Era'The Women who are milking men for money, which the soft guys make fun of, are not sacrificing everything for their family | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:48 AM |
| 4 | Embracing the Rise of the 'Soft Guy Era'I love running into you kinds of people. He is not talking about that women should be trad wives today when it economically doesn’t work. He is saying that women today have patriarchal expectations of men The rich old white men who control everything are just a few white men and the rest of the white men are not doing well basically never have been. The patriarchy has had benefits for both men and women but obviously it was net better for men until now. We have been able to get rid of the cons f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:43 AM |
| 2 | Embracing the Rise of the 'Soft Guy Era'You don’t get it. The soft guy thing is not about pursuing women. It doesn’t matter whoever women are choosing. Pew research found that half of single American men aren’t pursuing a relationship. They have given up and are making a joke about the circumstances | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:34 AM |
| 4 | Embracing the Rise of the 'Soft Guy Era'Even in the very specific group of rich women, it’s a minority of women who make more than the man. Your stat still agrees that most rich women want an even richer husband | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Embracing the Rise of the 'Soft Guy Era'Most people don’t make $100k. What about everyone else? It’s an oddly specific stat | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:30 AM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?That’s changing the subject from what I am talking about. Women taking accountability is many things but a general thing that applies to even outside of relationships is that women are not allowed to be blamed for anything in respectable society. We really like to frame issues as much as we can to talk about women as the victims for no reason. We have been able to get rid of a lot of the bad parts of patriarchy for women but all the good parts like not being able to blame women still strongly ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:24 AM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?It sounds unreasonable but it’s true that most of w0men posting in this post about what the pill guys think are saying complete strawman and strawman of the most insane of them. The issue of not treating the other sex as human is 1000x more severe with men. Most men just don’t exist to women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:17 AM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?He didn’t say sexless. The sane people will tell you sex isn’t enough. He said lonely single men. The pee Research stat is 60% of American men in their 20s are single vs 30% for women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 01:10 AM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?I didn’t mean it like that. I brought up the taboo of not being able to talk about men’s issues because of the taboo of not being able to criticize women. You didn’t mention the criticize women one so maybe we are in agreement that does exist. It’s part of infantilization of women which is a pro for women from the patriarchy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 12:56 AM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?You live in a society. Other people do affect your life. When it gets to the point that most guys in their 20s can’t get a gf, it goes beyond just personal responsibility. Saying everything is personal responsibility is conservative and silly. It’s a mix of individual and societal factors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 08:36 PM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?The men that complain about women the most online have long given up on women choosing them. It’s never been a possibility for them. They have no contact with women so there’s no way to get picked. That’s a silly strawman. Exactly it’s true they parrot the same points over and over and it’s definitely not anything you said. The main accountability thing is about it being taboo in respectable society to blame women for anything and taboo to talk about men’s issues with a shred of empathy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 08:21 PM |
| – | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?That was the exact kind of bad vague response I was expecting, thankfully some other people said something better. No one pushed back on that physical strength and fighting is not necessary in the modern day and it’s really taboo to use it. It doesn’t have much of a place. There aren’t physical jobs turning away women. There’s a common conservative joke now saying women should go for labor intensive construction jobs so they can be equal with men but women don’t want those jobs. In all the indus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/24 08:27 PM |
| – | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?There are areas better for women and areas better for men is too vague to mean anything which is the main device used in neutrality bias. You have to actually mention some specifics and the specific should be stuff everyone deals with 24/7 like relationships, school, work, social life. In the specific one side always has it worse in every issue out there not just men and women. I didn’t say things changed leaps and bounds. We can just talk about the problems women face today. I didn’t say every … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/24 01:56 AM |
| 2 | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?Yes but it doesn’t make sense to bring it up specifically here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/24 01:16 AM |
| -1 | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?Yes the oppression Olympics where this conversation usually goes is bad. People just spitting out random issues of varying degrees that they face with no goal, without really caring about the other gender (nobody talks about men’s issues). If you have this conversation with empathy and a focus on everyday issues that everyone is facing it can be super useful. No duh whoever is getting murdered has it the worst but it’s not an everyday thing for most people. That’s how progressives are supposed t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 07:01 PM |
| 5 | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?Women in the Middle East are in totally different circumstances to women in the US. I think we can agree the conversation is intended to be about women and men in the west in modern day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 06:51 PM |
| 3 | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?This conversation is not useful in general but a way to make it more useful is to try to focus on the basic stuff that everyone deals with 24/7 like the Econ, social life, etc. During the past couple decades we have expanded women’s choices in those areas while men have less and especially young men are doing worse Suffering murder, self deletion or domestic abuse are many levels worse than most issues, those people have it worse. In everyday issues you don’t need physical strength and it’s look… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 06:49 PM |
| 7 | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?Yes I understand that. It’s a big issue, the thing is for how much that point is made, these people making the point must think women live in war zones. There’s no rational statistics behind it. Men are twice as likely to suffer a physical crime. Men are constantly looking at women in public and considering approaching, crazy or not crazy so women have to be more careful but that’s a social norm women uphold. It would be much better if women approached men too. We don’t talk about men’s problems… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 05:33 PM |
| – | Average men struggle because standards of living have raised in the past 20 years and average is no longer good enough for anythingI’m done with this dumb discussion after this comment omg you guys. Come on. Omg that second paragraph is something. Why do you write with so much confidence that you know nothing about? I work in the res dev industry. People don’t crave mansions because they can’t afford it. Developers are focused on building smaller products more tightly packed in like townhomes or the smallest house zoning will allow. Townhomes aren’t even that affordable. I saw a top national developer put out an ad for an “… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 04:50 PM |
| 4 | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?There is a contest. Men are in a uniquely bad crisis right now. We have expanded what it means to be a successful woman in our society while it has shrunk for men. Young women are killing it and young men have fallen behind. It makes no sense to the talk about the past when talking about the modern day | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 04:42 PM |
| 11 | Which is easier, being a man or being a woman?I don’t understand why the physically weaker is constantly brought up. It’s so dumb. In the modern day it is not necessary and so taboo to physically fight. The most power people are rich business people not warlords. What’s useful in in school and adult life now are things that come easier to women like social connection and maybe a dumb one but good looks. I get that pregnancy is a big burden but it’s also a big gift. Women who can’t get pregnant are often devastated. Other women would be even… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 04:39 PM |
| – | Average men struggle because standards of living have raised in the past 20 years and average is no longer good enough for anythingIt’s a movie. It’s the opposite for normal people | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 04:26 PM |
| – | Average men struggle because standards of living have raised in the past 20 years and average is no longer good enough for anythingThat’s an issue but my guess is it’s not wide spread and almost everything the OP says is not happening at all, like she lives on an another planet. For most people, especially men, reality hits you in the face pretty hard if you try to have insane expectations. Nobody except for millionaires have raised their expectations on housing from the past. People today have to settle for smaller houses than their parents’. Housing is nuts right now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 04:25 PM |
| – | Average men struggle because standards of living have raised in the past 20 years and average is no longer good enough for anythingThat is the worst take in the history of this sub. I can’t believe it. Literally nobody in the entire world thinks that except you. You are oddly making a good point for what you are trying to argue against, that you are unreasonable and “out of touch”. A very obvious example why you are wrong is that it’s a very present reality that buying a house is becoming unobtainable and people are settling for smaller homes. Definitely not expecting bigger homes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/24 04:20 PM |
| 3 | "Enjoy the decline" is a perfectly viable strategyYes you are up your own a with this. Yes arguing about the same term with different definitions is basically equivocation and should be avoided but that’s kind of the issue here that you are using a different definition. Like i said in the last comment this kind of decline that hurts everyone 24/7 has to do with economics, birth rate, mental health, etc. You have the kind of view of politics that is weirdly very common today that everything has to be framed in terms of hurting women. You are the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/24 11:58 PM |
| 3 | "Enjoy the decline" is a perfectly viable strategyI am a progressive but you are up your own a on progressive politics and it’s actually you mistaken about the decline. Those issues are yes very important but the decline is about stuff like the economy, birth rate, mental health crisis, loneliness epidemic, marriage decline, stuff like the OP mentioned. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/24 05:14 PM |
| 0 | The idea women are loved unconditionallyWomen’s problems are talked about quite a bit and men’s problems aren’t talked about is our situation. Although frustrated men online downplay women’s problems every second of everyday they still know them and people are quick to remind them. Look at these comments talking about problems women and kids face, no going in depth on men’s issues except for the people who disagree. Everything you are saying is correct and valid but we and this thread were talking about men and women more in general a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 05:02 AM |
| – | The idea women are loved unconditionallyWith that response I declare victory | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 04:05 AM |
| -1 | The idea women are loved unconditionallyYes I think it was good word choice. This is a perfect example of the unconditional love statement having some truth to it because our society for some reason is incapable of talking about men’s problems (except for the crazy pill guys). What men are facing should enter into you guys’ analysis on this but it won’t because the statement has some truth to it and most men don’t really deserve our empathy or attention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 03:50 AM |
| 4 | The idea women are loved unconditionallyYour comment is totally true and valid and we all also just have to admit in these kind of subs that our society talks about women’s issues everyday. Whenever you are going to make the point that men just don’t understand women’s problems, it just really isn’t that true. Men have a pretty good understanding of women’s problems. The statement isn’t true in general very often for all cases but there is enough truth to it. I would flip around the point you made and make it back to you. All the wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 03:45 AM |
| -1 | The idea women are loved unconditionallyThen there you go. That’s a big part of what the statement means. Women being infantilized is a very present and more or less a net pro for women. It’s one of aspects of patriarchy for women that has never gone away since the start of women’s movements | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 03:34 AM |
| 0 | The idea women are loved unconditionallyNobody is loved unconditionally. You guys are understanding the statement as meaning this happens 24/7 100% of the time to everyone which is valid but nothing with society and people’s experiences are 100% the same. Yes kids, pets and women have it really rough and you guys are also not understanding the more unique situation that men are in that makes them say that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 03:31 AM |
| 1 | The idea women are loved unconditionallyThese posts that are like everyone says women have it easy but it’s not true are not self aware. They aren’t thinking about men’s issues when making that point. It’s another example of people only being able to talk about the extremes and not be reasonable | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/24 03:25 AM |
| 0 | Is there a Lizzo Paradox™ for males?I didn’t say majority of people meet solely based on looks and who cares that’s not an actual stat. Your contradiction was about approaching women and the basis for that is always looks I didn’t say they are unrelated. They are related topics but nobody is saying both at the same time. Your contradiction was about making fun of women and telling them to “choose better”. That post is not doing that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/24 08:57 AM |
| 0 | Is there a Lizzo Paradox™ for males?You don’t reference the contradictions. There aren’t really ways to approach without looks. Seeing women in public, you know nothing about them except looks The solution is women should approach and pursue men more. No plenty of men don’t complain about both. There are tons and tons of men complaining about one or the other. Saying that women prefer the wrong men is not the same thing (more of a generalized statement on society) as you said before as blaming women for the consequences of their b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/24 08:42 AM |
| 5 | I genuinely think people underestimate female toxicityThe big difference is that a big chunk of men complaining on here is about not having any experience with women and desperately trying to get some. I mean the 2x people like generalizations and hate | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/24 08:17 AM |
| 8 | Is there a Lizzo Paradox™ for males?Idk what betabucks is but the rest are obviously wrong. You put together an almagamation of different opinions that a bunch of different men have but nobody has them all at once. Also the Lizzo contradiction is a contradiction but pretty small so no problem. “Ok then become abusive” Wow I want to hear your logic on this one. Men wanting women to look beyond looks but approaching women based on looks is not a contradiction. Men wanting women to look beyond looks is more in the app context and aft… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/24 08:13 AM |
| 2 | Why do most of the women don't date younger?Development would be cognitively unable to do certain tasks. That’s such a bad definition. In any of these debates about nature vs nurture it is always both. It’s silly to argue one or the other. soley and I’m not, you are. Google if men develop later than women and there are a bunch of studies confirming it: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/study-men-mature-slower-than-women/#:~:text=The%20study%20commissioned%20by%20Nickelodeon,typically%20mature%20around%20age%2032. I didn’t give a cultur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/24 11:40 AM |
| 2 | Why do most of the women don't date younger?You didn’t address anything I said and a personal anecdote can’t be an example. No men do not rely on their parents longer because of stuff like cooking. It’s because women are more successful with dating and friendships early on so are able to rely on those connections. There’s no progress to the conversation when I say Boys are not taught they are not worth entertaining until a certain age and then you just say the opposite with an anecdote. Men just aren’t taught anything is the correct gener… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/24 11:33 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement.Most young guys aren’t falling into relationships at all. It’s more than circumstances and dumb luck. Circumstances and dumb luck affect everything to a high degree | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/24 03:42 AM |
| 0 | Women on Reddit do not represent normal, every day girls and so the dialogue and “blue pill” opinions here are irrelevant to most menYou gotta have some empathy and stop please | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/24 03:24 AM |
| 9 | Women on Reddit do not represent normal, every day girls and so the dialogue and “blue pill” opinions here are irrelevant to most menBecause it’s harder for men. A pew research study found 60% of American men are single while it’s 30% for women. You only eventually succeed by stressing over it and working it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/24 03:22 AM |
| 1 | Why do most of the women don't date younger?It doesn’t fall into the same theme. The data does agree men are late bloomers. Young American men are more likely to rely on parents than young women is one stat that comes to mind. Boys are not taught they are dumb and not worth entertaining until a certain age. That’s just reality that hits men in the face. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/24 03:17 AM |
| 2 | Why do most of the women don't date younger?This has more to do with women, who have more choices of age and in general and thus sway the stats on this, than to do with men. Using toxic masculinity out of nowhere on such a mild topic is a great example of why it doesn’t exist. Yes boys do take longer to develop. That’s not a construct. 60% of American men in their 20s are single while it’s 30% for women. It is harder for men to become attractive and gain dating experience so it just takes longer | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/24 03:11 AM |
| 4 | “Don’t bother a woman at [location]. She’s just there to [do activity].”You have to be joking | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/24 03:07 AM |
| 4 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?It’s true and not a temper tantrum. If it is and actually happening then it’s a problem worth talking about | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 07:20 PM |
| 3 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?You don’t understand what’s happening with men, that’s fine most people don’t but don’t make up things that the data doesn’t support. I didn’t say all men are experiencing it. I didn’t say you are attacking me. You are doing an ad hominem which you shouldn’t do. Men going into jobs without degrees isn’t in the data doesn’t explain the lack of college stat. Men taking longer to become independent yes is dropping out of society. Men are dropping out of the workforce and the age group doing that th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 07:20 PM |
| 5 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?If men are doing something as a result of being single then that’s just the reality and you need to add emotion to it to downplay the issue Nobody is talking about temper tantrums but you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 07:15 PM |
| 3 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?That’s reverse psychology and it’s silly. That’s probably the dumbest point to make in any discussion about social issues affecting any demographic. Its misogynist to talk about issues women have because they are strong and independent and it would be an insult to their intelligence. No | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 04:58 PM |
| 4 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?That’s ad hominem. Thankfully I don’t. It’s again silly reverse psychology to downplay this issue out of respect for men. Men dropping out of society is a real and growing issue. Much more women go to university than men. Much more single men than women in their 20s. In big cities at least in the US, young women earn more money than young men. Young American women have more financial independence and independence from their parents than young men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 04:57 PM |
| 6 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?You don’t understand men’s issues and that’s ok but try to have empathy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 02:50 PM |
| 5 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?Yes but I didn’t say that. This is men genuinely saying this about themselves | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 02:49 PM |
| 4 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?That’s the least charitable interpretation of the post. There sadly are a lot of men who are so weak that they can’t bring themselves to do anything when they currently don’t have the main thing they want. Maybe it’s not out of weakness and laziness, it’s just figuring out how to set up one’s life for a man is very hard and many don’t know where to start. Calling this misandry is silly reverse psychology, trying to downplay yet another men’s issue | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 01:41 PM |
| 3 | Are women the primary motivator in most men's lives?It’s not misandrist. This idea is said by men about themselves almost entirely | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/24 01:35 PM |
| 0 | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantIn my previous two responses to you I said you don’t need to repeat yourself and here you go repeating the same mindless take again that I already read. It’s so silly in internet discussions to call the other person dumb when you don’t understand what they said. Come on dude. Now you are going to make me repeat myself I called what you’re saying a worthless platitude like 2 times. You don’t add to or progress the conversation in anyway. You are arguing against nobody. Nobody said people can’t de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 05:55 PM |
| -1 | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantYour first paragraph is just repeating exactly what you said before verbatim over again. You don’t need to do that. I already read it and responded to it the first time and it’s silly. No men aren’t doing that. Relationship entitlement is not a thing men are doing. It’s not relevant. Idk but I don’t even think most of the craziest pill people think that. Women making TikToks complaining that they can’t find a man who meets there standards is not the same thing as saying everyone is entitled to a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 11:19 AM |
| 0 | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantYour debate and like even conversation skills are non existent. You just repeated back to me the exact same things you already said. No men very clearly aren’t like that. It’s a false equivalence | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 11:07 AM |
| 1 | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantNobody said people aren’t allowed to have high standards. Not even the craziest pill people. Thats a platitude | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 02:00 AM |
| -2 | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantTwitter is the quintessential “not real life” platform. Come on. I can comfortably say that no a large majority of men don’t expect a celebrity because reality hits them in the face almost immediately because they have to do the work to pursue and meet expectations. Nobody said people were entitled to a relationship. People saying meaningless made up platitudes like that when talking about these big issues is so mind numbing. This issue exists at the individual and societal levels. At the indivi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 01:53 AM |
| -1 | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantYes men more or less understand how attraction works for women. We talk about and value women’s issues and perspective everyday in our society. There’s very few things with women, compared with men, today that are lesser known and overlooked. We never talk about that for men and that’s why men’s issues are not known maybe until very recently a little. That doesn’t apply to how attraction works for men obviously because it’s simple | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 01:46 AM |
| – | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantThe constant false equivalence in the battle of the sexes issue is always wrong and unhelpful. It’s possible for both genders to have too high of standards yes but it’s not an equal thing clearly. One side is doing this more and that’s probably true with most issues where people try to draw a false equivalence | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 01:20 AM |
| 1 | If someone is content being single, then their standards can be as high as they wantYou are only focusing on the topic at an individual level when there’s also the societal level. You are talking about the individual level in terms of all of society which is wrong too. The individual angle is valid and you also live in a society. A lot of our life depends on all the economic and societal systems running smoothly. Much fewer people getting in relationships now, for this reason among many, is causing an aging and shrinking population which messes up every aspect of the economy an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/24 01:15 AM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and red-pillers make it seem like it's either one extreme or the other when it comes to a woman having a career or a family?Most people can’t get jobs like that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 09:15 PM |
| 1 | Why do feminists and red-pillers make it seem like it's either one extreme or the other when it comes to a woman having a career or a family?There are not that many careers where you can take your child and be fine | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 09:15 PM |
| 0 | How low would autistic guys have to set their standards, if women only date up?I didn’t say that. You only put a part of it in quotes because i didn’t say that. Yes your last paragraph supports the idea that women usually go for someone who is richer. This argument is for you so how would you explain the fact that women are making more, and among young people, young women make more than young men in big cities, is happening at the same time that there is a record amount of single people? There’s obviously a lot of contributing factors but one of them is women want to date … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 02:54 PM |
| 2 | How low would autistic guys have to set their standards, if women only date up?There’s a million things that make a difference. The reason why internet advice always sucks is because you simplify things too much. Probably many autistic guys and many guys in general don’t get themselves in situations with women like that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:14 PM |
| 2 | How low would autistic guys have to set their standards, if women only date up?I didn’t say women do anything. The dating up stuff is proven by many studies on comparing how much wives earn compared to their husbands. Although the studies also show it’s becoming less and less common but that’s also happen as people are getting married less and less | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:00 PM |
| 4 | How low would autistic guys have to set their standards, if women only date up?Im not saying absolutely 100% all people. You are being obtuse. When most of a group does something then it’s fine casually just to say that group does something. That’s what everybody, (I guess talking to you I can’t say that) does when talking about macropicture issues and data. Anecdotal evidence yes doesn’t matter | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 09:15 PM |
| 6 | How low would autistic guys have to set their standards, if women only date up?Your attitude doesn’t really make a difference | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 08:11 PM |
| 3 | How low would autistic guys have to set their standards, if women only date up?Anecdotal evidence doesn’t matter when talking about how everyone in a gender acts. Silly that you use the word moot but still debate like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 08:08 PM |
| 5 | Have any of the men here just stopped bothering with dating?I mentioned that half of men stat too in my next response to them so yes that’s true but you are attributing agency to men in your points on the data which you shouldn’t do. There’s no concrete reasons from the data. I don’t want to go into a long explanation about that but just read people’s responses here. A lot of men who aren’t looking to date, do so because it has become impossible, not because everything is alright and they are content without a partner. It’s probably the case that more me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:42 PM |
| 5 | Have any of the men here just stopped bothering with dating?There’s no explanation provided in the study. The data is the data and it’s true. I think the biggest reason is probably women dating older men. It’s probably a lot of late 20s women dating early 30s men because men in their 30-40s are like 25-30% single. That being the case doesn’t mean things are going to figure themselves out for the men in their 20s when they get older. Things are uniquely bad right mow | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 05:21 PM |
| 8 | Have any of the men here just stopped bothering with dating?He said I’m not going to be used to prop up a selfish women’s ego. He didn’t say all women are selfish. He didn’t make blanket assumptions. He does not have a mindset around dating that will be beneficial to him yes but everything you are saying is a straw man. I didn’t say the people that you are attracted to are selfish. The point of bringing up the stat is that what you said doesn’t matter. You are making up an argument to have. More and more men just stopping trying with dating is a real thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 05:16 PM |
| 20 | Have any of the men here just stopped bothering with dating?He didn’t say all women are selfish. He didn’t make a blanket assumption. The pew research stat is that 30% of American women in their 20s are single but it’s 60% for men. It’s most men, not just the weird unreasonable ones who are singled | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 04:18 PM |
| 6 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.What a joke of a response. You didn’t talk about your struggles. You said you had struggles before college. Getting an escort doesn’t bring you human intimacy omg what a messed up bad point. I hope I don’t have to explain why. How you’re wired doesn’t factor in to who has it harder and that’s wrong. Both genders can not care about pleasure of their partner. Nobody really cares about how men are wired The loneliness where you have nobody is worse than loneliness when surrounded by people and it’s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:36 AM |
| 9 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.You aren’t accurately talking about the men’s struggles. It’s so silly to argue that being able to regularly participate in relationships is just marginally better than never being able to do it. The male equivalent to what you described is never having a partner and never being able to experience that human intimacy. The kind of loneliness where you don’t feel full connection with a partner is never as bad as full loneliness with nobody come on. Please be reasonable. Women also regularly don’t … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:25 AM |
| 7 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.lol so you are taking it back. It’s not a moot point. That’s a dumb metaphor You are focusing on the women’s struggles and not talking about men’s so it’s not an accurate comparison. It’s not true that a majority of sex sucks and even if it did what about relationships, intimacy, loneliness, etc. it would be too long to fully lay out the men’s struggles but it’s about more than sex obviously Leave out sex. Women have easier access to relationships than men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:14 AM |
| 2 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Wtf is wrong with you? This sub is strawman city. I’m not a pill person but I think even the craziest of those guys don’t expect women to do anything. Nobody expects to women to do anything about this. I didn’t insinuate that women had to do anything. It’s up to men to work it out is what you said and I rehighlighted The one statement that can conclude this sub and everyone here can stop and move on is that men have it harder in dating | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:09 AM |
| 4 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Well there we go | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:03 AM |
| – | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Well there we go thanks for being reasonable and conceding | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:00 AM |
| 4 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.That’s for men to workout is such a silly statement. Men trying to work it out is the reason all the pill bs and most online dating stuff exists. We all understand it’s up to men to work it out. If that’s for men to workout is all that had to be said then obviously there would be none of these convos and issues | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:58 AM |
| 52 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Just honestly admit that having easier access to sex but focusing on a relationship is a much better situation than having almost no access to both | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:54 AM |
| 6 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Yes men are jealous of women but it makes no sense to rub it in their face because it’s the most obvious true thing even if guys responding to you don’t want to admit it. Men are jealous of women in dating is like saying the sky is blue | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:53 AM |
| 2 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Come on all of our own personal anecdotes and situations don’t matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:50 AM |
| 7 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Feeling more sympathy for the other gender yes is one of the solutions but admit our society has tons of awareness and sympathy for women’s issues but none for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:48 AM |
| 4 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.I mean yeah that’s true. Making fun of men for logically being resentful and envious doesn’t really do anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:46 AM |
| 2 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.I don’t understand why you guys think women want relationships is a good point. Men would focus more on relationships too over sex if they had more access to sex and were able to move on from it more. Focusing on getting a relationship with easier access to sex are much better circumstances than having almost no access to both. Someone looking for a job in science is a good metaphor because that’s women while men are looking for any job at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:43 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Average Women are as bad as average MenThat comment is massive and you still didn’t manage to address anything I said. I never downplayed women’s issues. Men being behind women in all important areas of life means men aren’t steamrolling and pushing the patriarchy on women today. It’s not thousands of years ago. It’s 2023 and in many American cities young women make more money than young men. I don’t understand why you would bring up thousands of years ago? It’s not thousands of years ago. Society is different today than thousands of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 11:52 PM |
| 1 | Women are more likely to be lonely than menThis isn’t about me. At the end of that response you attributed statements to me that i didn’t say. When did i blame women for their loneliness? Please stop I’m talking about knowing about men’s issues and empathy because you clearly don’t know enough to be able to talk about men on this issue and since you don’t have empathy you don’t mean well so please stop Explain to me why asking for data one second and then justifying something based on your personal experience another second makes sense? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 09:05 PM |
| 4 | Women are more likely to be lonely than menAnd you are wrong and that’s why you have to spitball. You received a bunch of well put responses so I don’t need to address it again Having a husband and friends and still being lonely is definitely real loneliness but you are playing that up and downplaying male loneliness which is more and more commonly no friends, no partner which you have to admit is worse | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 09:00 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Average Women are as bad as average MenI was going to reply to you with another long response but all I need to say is you are really f-ed up for immediately brushing off talking about men’s issues. This is the core reason why the pill stuff exists that people just can’t listen and have empathy for men. Yes education is probably the biggest indicator of future career success. Women outpacing men in college and at every level of education has caused that young women make more money than young men in most of the big US cities which is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 08:57 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Average Women are as bad as average MenIdk what that is. I don’t really care about physical strength, women’s strengths vs men’s strengths, etc. The facts are the facts that especially young men are falling behind women right now. The bully steamroll dynamic that you are talking about isn’t meaningfully a thing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 07:23 PM |
| – | What is the issue with men checking out women in public spaces.Then stop being obtuse | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 07:20 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Average Women are as bad as average MenOur “unbalanced society” values areas like I mentioned in the last response where women are really excelling right now. Physical strength is not as advantageous today. More or more men are not interacting with women or even society at all. You are focusing on something super specific while talking about society in general | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 07:20 PM |
| 5 | Women are more likely to be lonely than menYou downplay male loneliness and then spitball every possible way women could be lonely that still don’t compare | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Women are more likely to be lonely than menYou can’t ask for a source a million times one second and then another brush off one of his points with anecdotal evidence, well I haven’t experienced that and neither have my close friends. On top of all these discussions, the top issue societally for men caused by women is you guys don’t understand men and have absolutely no empathy or care to try. We talk about women’s issues everyday and men have a pretty decent idea of women’s issues. We never talk about men’s issues | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 07:14 PM |
| 1 | Women are more likely to be lonely than menYou don’t understand or have empathy for the male perspective. I think the rejection stat for men rejecting women is like 40%-50%. Guys are really struggling finding any options let alone having options at 80% of women. With 50%-60% of women yeah guys would be able to find a good partner | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 07:09 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Average Women are as bad as average MenMen aren’t steamrolling women. In the US especially young men are falling behind young women in all important areas of life, academics, financial independence, social life, etc | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: How do you feel about other women defending passport bros?Anecdote anecdote anecdote | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 06:52 PM |
| – | What is the issue with men checking out women in public spaces.You are being obtuse. Girls filming themselves at the gym isn’t about feeling safe. People yes are being called creepy for being in those videos | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 06:50 PM |
| 2 | Why do we hear less about how toxic dating is in real life?It’s not the single worst place for guys. The obsession on improving looks is sadly pretty necessary for men today. There are not any wholesome understanding places for guys to talk about their problems. That’s why the pill stuff exists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/23 05:25 PM |
| 7 | Why do we hear less about how toxic dating is in real life?Everything you mention are anecdotes. The internet overly focuses on the bad yeah but in real life everyone tries to present just the good in public. Everyone has to stop with the seeing couples in public point. You see a billion more people alone in public who don’t outwardly show their dating situation and struggles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/23 04:37 PM |
| – | Why do men make fun of things women like?You take being in a relationship for granted. Most men in their 20s are not and don’t have anybody like that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/23 02:57 PM |
| 3 | Are modern women truly independent from men or has male provisioning and protection been socialized to a degree that facilitates that independence.For especially younger people that’s just not true. Much more women go to college than men and that has meant in many major cities young women are making more money than young men. The gap in college attendance is bigger than the gap was back when Title IX was created but the other way around. Boys are behind girls at every level of academics. Young women having better dating and social circles helps them have better financial independence than young men. A lot more young men rely on their paren… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/23 02:40 PM |
| 5 | Are people open to dating others with potential or do they only want the finished product?They did not need to people in the title because it’s just women saying this | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 10:55 PM |
| 1 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceIf you agree capitalism is the cause then why do you keep focusing on individual responsibility, that it’s just their fault? One solution to start is that you should stop downplaying men’s issues and just honestly and empathetically talk about it. I don’t understand telling this guy crazy things he never said when he gave you a perfectly reasonable response | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 09:44 PM |
| 1 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceYou are unattractive if you even just exist lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 08:02 PM |
| 4 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceYes how men are treated. You would not downplay a woman talking about women’s issues like that. It’s funny to be mean to someone complaining that people are mean to them while you are trying to argue they are wrong. Especially among gen z women are doing so much better than men very clearly and that’s an issue worth helling | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 07:51 PM |
| 3 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceThat response is strawman city and just shows you are ignorant on this. I already responded to that stupid human rights crisis point that I never said it’s about rights. The crisis of human connection we are in destroys mental health and relationships which has negative effects on almost anything you can think of. When an issue affects just a few people then personal responsibility is the cure but when it has grown as big as this issue has grown then it has become a societal issue and it needs s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 07:48 PM |
| 3 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceI already explained it to you that we have not set men up for success with socializing skills, we have set men and women up to stay home and use the internet more. It’s a messed up argument you are making. It’s like blaming people for staying in abusive relationships. They don’t have the skills and circumstances to leave a lot of the time. I never said dating is a large scale moral failing but definitely how men are treated today is the remnants of patriarchy and a moral failing. So much less re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 07:37 PM |
| 5 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceYou totally made that up. It’s not like people are willing choosing porn over real sex. So obviously not. Come on. Going out more doesn’t work and the issue of going out is blaming a society issue on individuals which you keep doing with men. You going out more as an individual won’t even be enough in the best of circumstances but we live now in a remote world where everyone is doing more and more things at home without human interaction. This is causing changes to public places that used to be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 07:20 PM |
| 5 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceIn progressive polite society don’t say just try harder with the issues of any other group except men. It all comes back to that you don’t have empathy for men and don’t care to understand. If we all had more empathy for men, then we could get past these issues with more grace but we don’t so you’ll have to accept the bizarro theories. I would agree a lot of men aren’t putting in a lot of effort but it’s because our society doesn’t set men up for success on this. Nobody knows how to put in effor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 07:12 PM |
| 2 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceYour comment is what is called as hominem | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 06:44 PM |
| 4 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceDisregard dating apps only makes sense when giving dating advice to men. Tons of people use dating apps and you can’t disregard them. The data I would point to is the commonly cited pew research study that 30% of American women in their 20s are single while it’s 60% for men. This isn’t overblown. It’s a really big issue | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 06:37 PM |
| 2 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceThat’s not true | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 06:32 PM |
| 9 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceYou have to stop. Learning all that stuff is hard for everyone, even hot guys like you said, even especially women. There’s nothing in our society that makes everyone learn it by default. You are talking about this like you are bad person if you aren’t a perfect man. Everyone’s economies are awful right now and people don’t have enough time to make enough money to make ends meet let alone have cool hobbies and build a physique | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 06:31 PM |
| 3 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceYou guys have zero empathy for men and that’s honestly the core of why the pill crap exists. Nobody is saying that no men are getting sex. Your response is obfuscation. You have to acknowledge the objective reality that people are having much less sex and relationships, especially young men. Even if you don’t care about men you should still care because either has major consequences for everything. Lacking social skills as a young guy today is also more and more common and it’s not their fault i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 06:28 PM |
| 1 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceYou guys don’t know anything about most men. Our society doesn’t talk about men’s problems so you just don’t know. Barely any guys are doing unattractive stuff. These guys barely interact with women period. Stop it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 06:07 PM |
| 5 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceThat’s a good point but the pessimistic but realistic prediction, is while that was the case for previous generations, even a gargantuan effort won’t be enough for too many in the youngest generation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 05:51 PM |
| 10 | The narratives pushed in this sub are not representative of the average dating experienceThe data disagrees with her | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 05:48 PM |
| 0 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeYikes this sub has a uniquely bad strawman problem. I’m not sure why it being hard would result in stalking someone either because I didn’t say that. Reading what you said, I actually mean learn how to approach. There’s nowhere to learn built into our society for most people. Approaching is hard and not innate, practicing like you are describing is like tossing your kid in the deep end. How you describe practicing does not set men up for success. I feel like it would be pretty easy to not be cre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 04:28 AM |
| 2 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeIf you don’t mean ban then don’t say ban. I wasn’t talking about an extreme aversion to being approached either. Like clearly not. I am saying that on women’s content close to 100% of the time when men approaching or men in general are brought up, it’s to talk about those topics negatively. I never said extreme or ban. I don’t even know what you are arguing against with the last 4 lines. It’s just like it’s problematic for men’s content to talk bad about women everytime women are brought up (but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 04:12 AM |
| 1 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeI hear and understand you but at least in my city it 1000% clearly is. The few times I see guys approaching girls in usually clubs or bars I silently cheer them on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 04:00 AM |
| 0 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeBack at the beginning of the summer my male friend and I were waiting at a crosswalk and he turns to a hot girl and says I like your shirt and then it turns into an amicable 30 min conversation and we have done events with her a few times since then. Probably an outlier of a story but that’s because approaching on the street or anywhere is hard. Approaching on the street is fair game. There’s nowhere for guys to practice approaching so most suck and there’s no empathy for them. From sending that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 03:57 AM |
| 0 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeI’m not in an information bubble. I never talked about banning approaching? This sub has a uniquely bad strawman problem. I hate watching stuff from people that I agree with talk about stuff I have heard before. Show me the content for women made by women that regularly talks about how great men are. The last women’s thing I was listening to was last week, a Mexican women’s self help podcast called más alla del Rosa which is very different for me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 03:49 AM |
| 2 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeThe issue with your first point is that women talking about men approaching or men in general on the internet is almost entirely focusing on the negative. It’s very rare for the women’s internet to focus on the positive of men for more than a second including positive approaches. When you only focus on the negative yes you are demonizing men approaching. It’s the same thing with masculinity, if you only talk about toxic masculinity and talk about it a lot then you probably just hate masculinity.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 01:23 AM |
| -3 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeHow many people have you approached? You guys really don’t appreciate how hard it is | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 01:09 AM |
| 2 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeIn real life approaching women is pretty rare and in real life men don’t flip out. We live in a society where men have to initiate and women expect to me pursued in contexts even outside of marriage . I wish it was not like that but it is and you have to accept it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 01:05 AM |
| 5 | Unwanted advances toward women have an under appreciated purposeThe entire internet demonizes men approaching women in public. I endorse the idea that the internet is not real life but that applies to people’s actions. For people’s thoughts the internet lets people feel comfortable saying their true thoughts. Less men approaching women is a thing. “When you actually talk to women” You aren’t the end all be all on the actual opinion of women. There are many different common opinions among women on those. Women don’t actually understand approaching someone and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 12:18 AM |
| 3 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.Yes you did. You can’t say they are stupid but then also they all have a totally coherent and matching ideology. The responses I saw arguing back that they actually are the majority were really lazy and arguing just to argue. Nothing you said has to do with them. Your last paragraph was about red pill lifestyle attracting the very kind of women they are complaining. These men are not attracting anybody and have to pursue. Most men are not attracting anybody. We have to stop these attracting phra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 03:46 AM |
| 2 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.Yeah you don’t understand them. Your post was criticizing them for things they don’t think. I don’t think it has to be said that the pill people are not in touch with the average person and kind of stupid. It’s not a glowing image for you to strawman them and then make fun of them when they explain that you strawmaned them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 03:34 AM |
| 3 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.You must really hate yourself if you are women with those views on this sub sending a message like that at this time | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 03:03 AM |
| 1 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.But few men in dating can keep being a brat and still be successful. We have been able to majorly shift our expectations of women away from patriarchy and expand what it means to be a successful women. We have not done the same for men. All the patriarchal expectations and narrow view of masculinity still are strong. Men cannot get away with a partner to pursue and take care of them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 03:01 AM |
| 1 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.Talking about accountability here is interesting because almost anybody will try to not take accountability if they can get away with it. Most women in dating can get away with it and men cannot. Obviously that’s vague | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 02:55 AM |
| 1 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.You are learning now after all these comments that almost none of the pill people are actually arguing that all women are like that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 02:51 AM |
| 8 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.Having any kind of standards as a man is considered delusional | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 02:49 AM |
| 1 | “modern women” aren’t real. They’re a result of algorithmically driven content consumption.You have taken no effort to understand what the people you are criticizing actually think and experience. That post and this whole sub is full of strawman. A big reason people radicalize into the pill stuff is no one cares or understands their real struggles. Please try to honestly understand. Nobody says the majority of women are all off the deep end like you describe. On the dating discussion part of the internet everyone has to stop talking about “attracting” in general especially for men. Mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 02:31 AM |
| 0 | What can older guys do to not feel shortchanged in the dating world, like they say?I didn’t at all say single = sexless. Young people having less sex kind of disproves that all the single young guys are opting for hookups. Obviously. I would love to see the study you are looking at because everything I’m seeing says young men are having less sex than young women. You would overthrow the entire pill ideology with data like that but it probably doesn’t exist | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 02:12 AM |
| 5 | Women criticise men for having reasonable boundariesNo there’s nothing toxic or insecure. if a guy wants someone who hasn’t had a lot of sex and doesn’t dress sexy and then they find that person who is genuinely like that and there tons, then there’s no issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 01:30 AM |
| – | How to get men in 30s to be more serious?Dude you post too much about this topic. She gave a perfectly good response. Men are not doing well is just reality today. Frustrated or not things aren’t fair. There’s no equally bad thing women are going through. There’s not going to be any way to take revenge. You have to move on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 12:47 AM |
| 0 | What can older guys do to not feel shortchanged in the dating world, like they say?This study doesn’t explain those results but there are others that show young men are having less sex than ever so you are very clearly wrong | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 12:37 AM |
| -1 | What can older guys do to not feel shortchanged in the dating world, like they say?It’s not plenty. The stat that you have probably heard a million times from pew research is that 30% of American women in their 20s are single while it’s 60% for men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 11:32 PM |
| 2 | What can older guys do to not feel shortchanged in the dating world, like they say?He isnt talking about this specific group of men in that situation. Its a majority of men especially today and its clearly not magically morphing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 11:30 PM |
| 3 | Women criticise men for having reasonable boundariesSorry since you already got a million responses. Your point within the angle you are looking it from is correct but I think many men see it from the angle of talking about a hypothetical partner and many women not even accepting men talking about expectations for a hypothetical partner which is pretty common and how the post can also read. Even saying hypothetical expectations is toxic. There’s obviously 1000x more men out there talking about expectations for a hypothetical partner than the situ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 11:17 PM |
| 4 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menWe were just talking about expectations of men vs women what you are moving to now is changing the subject so I guess you agree on the original point. Men’s issues and especially a man talking about men’s issues are immediately thought of as problematic and toxic so people downplay and disregard them. A women talking about men’s issues is more likely to be taken seriously. Not saying women need to do that, just that we need to admit that is the case. Men’s issues are the only group in society wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 08:20 AM |
| 1 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menBased on all your responses here you don’t really seem like an ally. I and nobody ever said that women need to fix this issue so idk why you would say that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 08:05 AM |
| 4 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menThats because his points for women were basically all the patriarchal expectations of women while his points for men were just about chivalry and not all the patriarchal expectations of men like they need money power and can’t show emotion. His point is correct that we have gotten rid of a lot of the patriarchal expectations of women for the better while we have not that for men and we should | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:56 AM |
| 2 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menThe OP is obviously rude and irrational and I don’t get why everyone is being even more rude and irrational while also being obtuse about his general correct point. That point is that our expectations for women have changed while our expectations for men have not. Everything you said doesn’t matter today. We live in an ever more individualistic isolated cold society where we don’t care about other people. Men are in crisis. Nobody really cares if gentleman are chivalrous people don’t care about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:52 AM |
| 5 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menYou guys are being obtuse. I don’t think this issue is just about this guy who made the post | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:43 AM |
| 0 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menThat’s a small caveat that doesn’t take away from his point. You know his point you are being obtuse | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:39 AM |
| 0 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menMen aren’t the same the way. Men can’t afford to be the same way | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:38 AM |
| 0 | most women don't deserve chivalry from menChivalry being a moral code for knights is a silly point. The rest of your points are true but small caveats that don’t take away from their point. What a successful women looks like has greatly expanded in our society while expectations for men have still remained strict and patriarchal | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:37 AM |
| 4 | Being in a position where you can pursue women is a privilegeI consider myself now mostly on the other side of this issue that this guy is experiencing, I have tried that advice, I explained it to you why it doesn’t work today for lonely dudes. Everybody in bars and classes keeps to themselves and their own group. Americans are super withdrawn and cold in the majority of public environments. I’m not being nihilistic, I’m half agreeing on dancing. Even in dancing classes, people don’t mingle and book it out there after. Dancing class is on the right track … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/23 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Being in a position where you can pursue women is a privilegeSorry I’m not on Reddit that much. I didn’t know what cmv means. This guy doesn’t need to debate about this stuff. We can’t debate his life. Here is a good Dr. K video on why therapy is bad for men. It’s basically what you said. I think the men not accepting compassion and the men wanting compassion are 2 separate groups. It goes for any demographic that being disadvantaged makes many people super angry and bitter even to those who are trying to help. There’s nothing you or can do personally. It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/23 11:55 PM |
| 9 | Being in a position where you can pursue women is a privilegeSocial isolation at college is pretty common and growing. Look it up. Many people coming to college came alone and all their friends from back home went somewhere else. Classes are really tough if you are in a hard major and there’s not enough time to regularly put towards building friends. College is expensive and many have even less time because they are working on top. Clubs, lol volunteering and student groups are not that good most of the time and if you are in a small college town than stu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/23 10:57 PM |
| 8 | Being in a position where you can pursue women is a privilegeFirstly you are never allowed to just have an issue and feel bad about it as a man. The responses to men are always about pushing them to figure it out with no empathy. Your comment is on the other end of the spectrum being way too optimistic. The data is very clear, chances at dating for young men are not very good. Most American men in their 20s are single. Please understand the reality on this and talk about it with empathy based on the facts. My experience is that in college it’s so much har… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/23 10:49 PM |
| 2 | Lonely single men who get little to no sexual attention project their loneliness onto women about to hit the mythical wallI am 1000% on the men’s side of this issue but come on dude you are saying that like you are the most original person ever when that is the most cliche take ever and in addition that’s a lot of spitballing. Based on what are there no old men complaining about dating? In all of this dating garbage online you will always find tons of old men commenting. I wish by the time I’m 50 I have all this figured out and never look at this stuff again A lot of people have the just as bad equal opposite to th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/22 04:46 AM |
| 0 | You cannot blame men (fully) for being very cynical about women these days.I think you said women shouldn’t blame themselves about lonely men and I am saying it doesn’t matter, women really understanding lonely men and blaming themselves doesn’t happen. No success in dating is guaranteed with whatever mentality you have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 10:30 AM |
| 1 | At least for heterosexuals, western society is going to become more sexually conservative, not lessIt’s not bottom up. It’s not people making life choices. When people criticize the internet for ruining social contact it’s usually incoherent but they are right that the internet has ruined social contact. More and more people report being lonely and friendless and replace real life social contact with watching podcasts. It’s like robots taking over jobs, it is worse for society but people do it anyways because it is more efficient | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 04:32 AM |
| 9 | You cannot blame men (fully) for being very cynical about women these days.Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is a phrase that when it was first coined, meant an impossible action. You cannot physically pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Today I think it has returned to that sarcastic meaning because in the republicans economic context it is impossible too. Funny that you used that term because yes while self improvement is what everyone needs to do, results are not guaranteed and not even likely. It doesn’t matter with women blaming themselves because nobody car… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 04:24 AM |
| 7 | Men's dating issues are rarely dealt with in a logical way by larger societyHe is not conflating those two things. He said fulfilling sexual relationship once and talked the whole time about initial romantic interest so give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just talking about initial romantic interest | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 04:07 AM |
| 1 | Has male cognitive dissonance towards women, completely taken over this sub?His point is not about dating apps specifically. Dating apps is an easy way to get data like this and it shows that men are way less picky than women, not even comparable. Data also says men are more likely to be looking for a relationship and there are a lot more lonely single men. Look at Reddit hookup subs, men are desperate, they aren’t picky | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 03:55 AM |
| 2 | Has male cognitive dissonance towards women, completely taken over this sub?You are making up a hypothetical situation. The inverse is not true. Look at the dating app match data, single men data. Men are not going for only the awful top dumb material girls and leaving most girls behind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/22 03:49 AM |
| 1 | The leftist streamer Vaush is going to talk about male lonelinessYou didn’t have a take there. Saying most leftists are radical feminists just means that you don’t know what that means and it doesn’t mean much anyways. If you are anti universal healthcare, free college and a living wage then you are anti male. The new divisive issue that has grown to prominence is the US’s car centric urban and transpo design which is a big contributor to growing loneliness. If you have the right wing position on that you are against fixing male loneliness Idk all those chann… | /r/MensRights | 21/10/22 10:38 AM |
| 1 | The leftist streamer Vaush is going to talk about male lonelinessI am guessing you are conservative so why would you not like that every social issue is pushed and at the center? A woke left doesn’t exist. The left never was controlling Biden, Biden is under delivering on all his progressive promises and over delivering on war and helping the rich but the reason he even has progressive promises like free college and healthcare is thanks to the left, this shows how economic focused the left is and was a major reason why Biden won. There is a big difference bet… | /r/MensRights | 21/10/22 12:15 AM |
| 2 | The leftist streamer Vaush is going to talk about male lonelinessI don’t think he is | /r/MensRights | 20/10/22 10:35 PM |
| 1 | The leftist streamer Vaush is going to talk about male lonelinessLiberals are not the same thing as leftists and progressives. Focusing on wokeness, not something the left does. The left especially in the US has a near monopoly on all popular ideas and policies, especially the very serious economic ones. Universal healthcare, living wage, paid sick and parental leave, free college, raising taxes on the rich, ending wars, etc etc. We have to admit that those are more pressing issues that are more important to people objectively than most social culture war stu… | /r/MensRights | 20/10/22 10:35 PM |
| 2 | The leftist streamer Vaush is going to talk about male lonelinessNo those channels aren’t “radical femenist”. If you consider male loneliness a societal problem then that’s already a left wing mindset. Leftism is about looking at large groups of society that are struggling with an issue and trying to fix it, especially with economic issues. Under the right wing mindset, all the problems in your life are your fault alone and other people and society owe you nothing, everything can only be solved with greed and personal responsibility | /r/MensRights | 20/10/22 10:29 PM |
| 0 | Take a break and watch thisEverything that comes out of that site shows exactly why right wing satire isn’t a thing and a contradiction. All the issues they try to make jokes about are made up. No there isn’t an issue with people defining what a women is and it doesn’t have anything to do with men’s issues | /r/MensRights | 20/10/22 10:21 PM |
| 1 | I never knew more women graduate from university than men. This article is a great example of evidence not backing the conclusion. It concludes that college educated men have an advantage in dating because there are much more options of college educated women.How do I edit the post? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/22 04:30 AM |
| 1 | Why Intimate Relationships are so hard for Men [Kidology]People pointed out her really bad men need to be emotional point but your last paragraph there is another bad point. More intimate relationships being built around mutual support is a great study but it’s not a rebuttal that women really prioritize money. Her study shows that really prioritizing money isn’t great. She needs to find a study if women do really prioritize money and when it comes down to it, they do even as women are having better careers and making more money | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/22 11:38 AM |
| 1 | Why Intimate Relationships are so hard for Men [Kidology]Idk anything about what manosphere or red pill means. She talks about studies that show that relationship built around respect and kindness and not money are more successful and more intimate. then she says the manosphere will tell you all women want is money. Those aren’t conflicting points. Stuff you desire right now might not be what will make you happy long term. Wanting a husband that makes a lot of money is not irrational or bad to a point, the economy is difficult. She should have looked … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/22 11:20 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamySave yourself the time writing those god awful long posts. And I thought I write too much. 75% of it is worthless personal anecdotes. I don’t need to consider it. What I talk about won’t be my anecdotes Hypergamy is not about leaving and cheating partners. It is woman dating and marrying men that are richer than themselves. You didn’t disprove the article and can’t by pointing out that they are funded by the Koch bros. I am more anti Koch bros than you. This think tank didn’t even do the studies… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 01:01 PM |
| 0 | I don't understand hypergamyHahaha what a response. No our opinions are worthless when talking about societal level issues like this. It’s irresponsible and unserious. You should be ashamed because those statements were really dumb above all else but also baseless. Mentally strong hahaha stfu. You acknowledging that hypergamy is true makes everything you were saying pretty worthless. Saying something isn’t really a trend but still happens is too general of a statement to have any meaning and considering how strong a trend … | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 12:49 PM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyIt’s the same thing. Hunter gather culture in developed countries is outdated and not applicable aka it doesn’t exist. I meant to include this article in my last response, here it is: hypergamy study It’s a very unbiased recent article. Again the first two paragraphs of your last article are so unserious and silly that you should be ashamed. You are asking for data while saying stuff that 1000% needs data like mentally strong people are breaking out of hypeegamy | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 11:00 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamySaying that it’s outdated and not applicable to modern humans is the same thing as saying it doesn’t happen and just as incorrect. Again it’s very applicable. There is not this trend of people breaking out of it and fighting the instinct. Based on what data is that happening. The data does say it is slowing down but hypergamy is definitely still very present today. Saying people who don’t go against hypergamy aren’t mentally strong is silly come on dude | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 10:48 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyI can’t believe you have the pride to keep responding after posting that awful article and saying awful points that I honestly refuted. Developed countries are the best for social mobility. You said social mobility is bad and rare in western countries and it is not The point that hypergamy today is due just to the wage gap is made without any evidence. The wage gap has improved massively and again you would expect the richest and most educated women not to marry even richer men if that was the c… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 10:42 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyI was kind of impressed at first with that link but reading through it and your response, I clearly found they are garbage. What I’m saying comes from a highly cited 2020 Swedish study, this article explains things unbiasedly: hypergamy study The point I said from the study is talked about within the first few lines and is not a generalization. The post that you cited doesn’t talk about the wage gap being the main factor behind hypergamy because it’s not today. The wage gap still exists but has … | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 10:33 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyWhat a sad article. It’s even shorter than the response you gave me and it’s from 2014 citing data from 2005 and it’s only about education. It does not get into enough specifics to have to do with hypergamy. The 2020 Swedish study that I linked talked about how it was even more likely for the less educated husband to make more | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 02:12 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyEverything you are saying is made up spitballing even down to you saying western (you probably mean developed western) countries is the worst for social mobility. The US is the worst out of developed countries for social mobility but developed western countries have the best social mobility. Come on. Here’s the Global Social Mobility Index Dating within your own social class has to be common but especially that article you cited doesn’t relate to HypergamyZ it is a big trend in western countries… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 02:04 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyThere isn’t but that’s not hypergamy. Hypergamy is women dating people that are richer and that no doubt will include leaving previous partners It’s hilarious that the guy starts the post with “hypothetically if I was with a woman”. This guydoesn’t care about the complexities of thiseither but that doesn’t change that hypergamy is real. Everyone just keeps blowing it off like it isn’t | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 01:25 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyYou don’t know women. Nobody saying rough generalizations based on no data knows women. The data saysHypergamy is real, not how this guy is explaining it. It’s a very strong trend that husbands make more than their wives. The scenario where the wife has more education is the most likely one where the man makes more | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 12:56 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyYou guys online explaining how hypergamy isn’t real aren’t even trying. It’s not applicable to modern humans based on what? The data says it is applicable and is still very applicable even as the wage gap improves. Everything you are saying are statements that need some evidence to back them up | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 12:54 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyHypergamy really doesn’t make a woman shallow. It makes sense. Looking at the data instead of saying random stuff takes the emotion from this and it’s just a fact that hypergamy is real. Keep working on yourself WHILE you are in the relationship hahaha. I think people in the red pill category need help with the before. Focus on the before | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 12:50 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyThis topic is more complicated than just what this dude thinks. Men always going for the hotter person is hard to measure but women going for someone richer is easier so it has been studied and hypergamy is real, strong trend | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 12:47 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamyEverybody saying hypergamy isn’t a thing online are putting in no effort. Women want men for tons more than money but that doesn’t change the data that hypergamy is a very strong trend and has not decreased much as women keep having better careers and make more money | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 12:43 AM |
| 1 | I don't understand hypergamy99% of the conversations on this topic online is just people spitballing with anecdotes and generalizations. All of our anecdotes are different from each other. We have to look at data and the data says hypergamy is a very strong trend but yes is slowly growing weaker. In one study couples where the woman had more education was the most likely scenario where the man makes more. You are kind of doing a progressivism reverse psychology by arguing the wage gap doesn’t exist. It’s a lot better but i… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/09/22 12:39 AM |
| 1 | "Men aren't entitled to getting laid!" is a lazy, intellectually dishonest red herring intended to derail discussion. The root of the difficulties young men face in dating is finding fulfilling romantic companionship, not getting laid.Hahahahaha great thanks | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/22 07:30 PM |
| 1 | "Men aren't entitled to getting laid!" is a lazy, intellectually dishonest red herring intended to derail discussion. The root of the difficulties young men face in dating is finding fulfilling romantic companionship, not getting laid.What logic? The question you asked is irrelevant. Nobody is expecting just women to do anything. Again you shouldn’t pretend like loneliness is something we should be proud of. Women have it to. And again when problems get this big like this, it’s not a handle it yourself solution. If people could handle it themselves then there wouldn’t be so many and growing. It’s like saying figure out your life to fix a recession. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/22 06:45 PM |
| 1 | "Men aren't entitled to getting laid!" is a lazy, intellectually dishonest red herring intended to derail discussion. The root of the difficulties young men face in dating is finding fulfilling romantic companionship, not getting laid.You are just spitballing stuff. Nobody can tell how a whole gender is doing in general because that’s millions of people. Women as a monolith in general can’t do anything because that’s again millions of different people. Yes women are getting lonelier. When they said man and women they meant everyone as a society needs to fix this. The problem of loneliness has gone beyond just blaming it on personal responsibility, that all lonely people are evil and ugly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/22 06:04 PM |
| 1 | "Men aren't entitled to getting laid!" is a lazy, intellectually dishonest red herring intended to derail discussion. The root of the difficulties young men face in dating is finding fulfilling romantic companionship, not getting laid.It’s an issue that affects men more but it’s still affecting everyone in every demographic more and more, it’s not man vs women issue | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/22 05:39 PM |
| 1 | "Men aren't entitled to getting laid!" is a lazy, intellectually dishonest red herring intended to derail discussion. The root of the difficulties young men face in dating is finding fulfilling romantic companionship, not getting laid.He said men and women like everyone. Women are getting lonelier too. Those women don’t need to feel empowered that they aren’t satisfied with their relationships | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/22 05:31 PM |
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