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The average woman "have no representation" in a typical action film. Female characters in this macho fare tend to be window dressing with no real emotional development beyond just standing by the flawed but lovable hero. So just go see the movies that appeal to you and don't worry about what everyone else is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:23 AM
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Spoken as if it isn't men that these "promiscuous" (straight) women are having sex with. If heterosexual men didn't partake in promiscuity - and assumedly enjoy it - there would be far fewer women sleeping around. Maybe you need to take up this point with other guys (since they're the ones providing the means for women to have active sex lives).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:40 PM
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OP, he promised her a happy retirement with a full family life then went back on it and rejoined the team (meaning training, practices, road games and being away a lot). It has nothing to do with his "sexual market value" and everything to do with her family values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 08:43 PM
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Research has suggested that women are more likely than men to have very close platonic friends that fill most of the roles a romantic partner would (except for sex). So it's not that they're lonely, they're just filling their time with friendships that can be every bit as intense as a romance. They can also get laid whenever they want without being in a relationship. So they don't have to date someone in order to have access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:18 AM
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Allegedly Brin's marriage was already on the ropes and one can never underestimate the desire of a scorned spouse to just want to torture their soon to be ex. Sleeping with your estranged spouse's friend seems like a fairly typical FU move.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 05:39 PM
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Funnily enough most women are also envious of such women. It's been suggested that only about 10-20% of the population at any given time is "attractive". That leaves most of us on the outside looking in. So it's not just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:47 PM
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Most guys who complain about this have been discouraged because they've heard "no" a lot. So start by developing the emotional IQ to know when someone's not interested. It won't help you get dates but it will save you from so many rejections. Once you've learned how to recognize the difference between a woman just being friendly and a woman who wants to date you you'll be better able to focus on the latter category. Go for quality over quantity and you'll feel better about yourself in the end. G…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:55 AM
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Also, "actual physical danger from being perceived as aggressive or "creepy"". As opposed to the real "actual physical danger" a woman is in if she doesn't actively weed out the "aggressive or creepy" guys. The number of women who assault or kill men for refusing them sex is a drop in the bucket as compared to the inverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:19 PM
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If your goal is a family then that would be your position. The griping you hear from men who resist this traditional role is because they've believed the propaganda that everyone but them is having nasty, anonymous sex multiple times a day. Clearly one's 20's don't last forever and so making plans for later in life matters too. If you're patient and you don't get into the game of resenting (the mythical) "Chad" you'll probably find a compatible partner and have a great life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:21 AM
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Every woman has known another woman like this and we READILY admit that they're brainwashed. We move heaven and earth to get our friends, sisters, aunts and mothers out of these abusive relationships. It's a little specious on your part to try to tie this to your apparent lack of dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 10:58 PM
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In the US at least probably with the sexual revolution (ushered in by the pill). Men used to accept that if they wanted sex on the regular it would require marriage. Then they started to notice that some women were giving it away without benefit of a ring. After that some observed that not all men were reaping this benefit equally. But it probably wasn't until the internet gave these guys the ability to find each other and create an identity out of being "sexless" that anything like these subs w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 08:36 PM
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Men too go through a "ho phase", which is why people are advised not to marry until they're 25+. In both genders there's a difference between who's good enough for a one night stand and who's good enough to spend a lifetime with. So in youth the f-boys and THOTs are in high demand but few would consider raising children with them. What in most cases causes men and women to adjust their tastes is the maturity of recognizing that they can no longer live just to party and have sex. At some point mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 07:51 PM
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This sub seems to be only about cis hetero interactions. Not sure it's ever claimed to be anything else. It would be great to see a sub dedicated to gender roles and dating for trans people. Perhaps you should try to make that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 07:43 PM
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There isn't one single attribute that all women will tell you they want in a man. Much of this gaming of the system by men seeking fast and easy sex is to distill 3.5 billion people down into one hive mind. Some women will respond to "love bombing", others see through and find it cringy. Some women like a guy who insists on paying for every date while others feel that's a sign of someone who doesn't want an equal partner. IMHO too many guys are taking advice from other men who perhaps don't have…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 07:41 PM
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The short answer is SOCIAL MEDIA. Before we could read the ramblings of every fool with wi-fi we didn't know we were supposed to hate each other. This also goes for class, politics, rural vs. urban and just about anything else one cares to mention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 02:27 AM
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TBH IMHO it's just the availability of it. There've been spicy cave paintings and saucy frescos throughout human history. But never before has vid porn been so accessible at such little cost to the masses. A guy with a "dead bedroom" in the past might have jerked one out in the bathroom to a nudie mag. But then he'd get tired of that month's models and have to wait until the next month for the variety one can now get at the touch of a button.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 02:22 AM
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The men who want real relationships often do. But no one wants to ask a female friend to provide them with a disposable one night stand they plan to treat like garbage. So this surely depends on the guy in question and what his objective is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 01:36 AM
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Men might be less picky when it comes to just seeking sex but they tend to be more discriminating than women in terms of whom they'll commit to. We all know women who've gotten into tragic relationships just because a guy was willing to say the right things. As always, it comes back to "women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of relationships". But even just dating isn't always easier for a man. It's much harder for guys to get no strings attached sex than it is for women (u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 01:34 AM
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People's "needs" shift and change with age. So while a young couples might find that sex is essential to their cementing a commitment an older couple, perhaps with some health problems, might say now that they're already fully bonded it's the act of sticking around through the difficult times that's more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 01:30 AM
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No one is having as much sex as some people imagine, especially not in the age of Covid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:18 PM
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Dating is only "skewed in women's favor" is the objective of dating is meaningless sex. If a woman is dating to find a committed life partner the guy usually holds all the cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:55 PM
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As is probably every average woman as that "perfect 10" the guys pined over in youth has long since married some billionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:49 PM
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I think a lot of people use "hygiene" when what they really mean is grooming. A guy can smell fine but still be a hot mess if isn't taking care of his hair, skin, nails, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:20 PM
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Seems we need to come to some consensus on who "Karen" is. One side believes she's a raging feminist while the other is sure she's some right-winger. We can't ALL be Karen ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:06 PM
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Your family didn't tell you about this because apparently your father was able to find a female partner and therefore likely doesn't believe this trope that "all women" are only willing to fuck 20% of the male population (unless of course he's part of this lauded 20%).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:40 PM
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You're talking about relationships wherein mutual validation is important. These (so called) "red pill coach" types are just talking about getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:11 PM
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Even though 60% of college students are now women 60% of women still don't go to college and those women will probably have their choice of all the tradesmen out there whom the coeds won't touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:09 PM
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Some might be religious enough to think that legitimizes the relationship. Others might be in it for the tax breaks. Still others will use it as a metric for measuring their partner's level of commitment. There's still enough societal pressure out there that it's difficult for some people to watch their friends getting married without feeling they need to do that themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:07 PM
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That poor kid doesn't stand a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:04 PM
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Elon Musk is an odd bird who seems well matched with his equally strange baby mama and most men couldn't objectively say that Lauren Sanchez is a downgrade from MacKenzie (Bezos) Scott - at least not in the looks department. I guess the moral of the story is that when you can pretty much have anything you want you have the freedom to get what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:01 PM
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I suspect the reddit audience is more savvy about this than you imagine. Yes, OLD doesn't tend to be very gender balanced. This is because most attractive women don't need it as they're fighting off men IRL all day long. Plus most of the users representing themselves as women are bots. It's a minefield for guys and I don't know of anyone who doesn't recognize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:30 PM
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In terms of freedom of choice in sex partners it benefits society as a whole because the parts of the world where sex partners are chosen for individuals (through forced marriages) aren't usually all that big on human rights in general. But in the "free world" women do have more choices in dating/marriage. They still however have fewer options in other realms of life. For instance no man ever lost a job or promotion because he announced that he was going to become a parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 05:42 PM
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Choosing a partner solely to piss off Mom and Dad is as old as humankind itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:51 PM
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The trope of the stepdad who only marries a single mom to gain sexual access to her children is another one that wasn't as prevalent in the past. But people generally have become child averse in not even wanting to have kids of their own. So when someone volunteers to not only raise kids but to raise kids he's not biologically related to there'll always be those who can't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:50 PM
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IMHO no one should get married until they're working with a fully formed human brain and that doesn't happen until around 25 for women and 26/27 for men. This is why 88% of marriages involving people under 25 end in divorce (unless you're also advocating for outlawing divorce, in which case many people just wouldn't get married at all). Also worth noting that in the 1950's one worker with a high school diploma could support a family and that's just not the case anymore. People aren't even finish…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:25 PM
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For guys who don't want to be challenged in any way by a thinking, feeling partner this very well may be the case. Of course such men wouldn't have children unless they adopt and wouldn't have a real partner to grow old with. But if someone's so frustrated that they'd prefer a robot then that option should be available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:19 PM
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Back in 1939 a book called "How to Win Friends and Influence People" was a hot seller and ads for male grooming products guaranteed to make you more attractive to the fairer sex were in every Victorian era newspaper. Self improvement isn't a new concept but the internet has given people an echo chamber in which to discuss such things. The problem with your theory of forcing women to accept underachieving men is that contemporary women don't have to get married to have a roof over their heads. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:11 PM
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Social media has caused a lot of people to make greater efforts to look good (or least more like whatever the passing trend of the moment is). If you're 30 now you were a 90's kid and in that era being hyper casual, grunge, apathy and not caring that much was the norm. Now that everyone has a production studio in their pocket there's been a backlash to the idea of being "just normal". Everyone wants to be an "influencer".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:05 PM
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Likely, as height and physical prowess would have been perceived as making for a better farmer, soldier, manual laborer, all the things guys used to have to do (or jousting and conquering at the other end of the class spectrum). In the pre digital world strong men would have made the difference between a village thriving and a village starving to death. So it's kind of predictable that favoring those attributes would remain as a vestige of the past. Perhaps this is changing as now the most power…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 02:15 PM
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Not necessarily the eggs they're wasting, as they usually have plenty. But rather the time involved with gestation and childrearing that's the big investment. Probably does to some degree explain the disparity between male and female libido (which is the reason it takes more to turn a woman on).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 02:07 PM
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Yes, if you won't marry a guy old enough to be your gramps it's OBVIOUSLY because you're holding out for Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk to make an honest woman of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:55 AM
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Or you could just not get married at all as more and more women are choosing to (not) do. Unless one is desperate to have children there's very little upside for women to get married at all these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:54 AM
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Sam T. Coleridge, complaining about attention whores 18th century style. This quote probably wasn't even accurate in the era in which it was penned but most certainly wasn't an honest depiction of "dandy" Coleridge and his cocky friends. The term Yankee Doodle was invented to describe these overly dressed gigolos. So consider the source on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:49 AM
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Natural selection is a scientific theory. It is what it is regardless of what Cosmo or Buzzfeed says. If you ignored pop culture and dealt only with facts you'd see that just because some quarters are telling men they have to date women they don't find attractive, that doesn't mean men are obeying that order. Some guys bemoan the fact that there are so many dateless men. There are just as many dateless women, they just don't feel the need to complain about it on social media so you're not as awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:43 AM
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Not if they got married before they were both at least 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:38 AM
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In reality "The academic consensus is" that one’s expectations going into marriage are "a strong predictor of infidelity". People who expect a fairy tale are more likely to cheat than those with more realistic goals and this has little to do with how many sexual partners one has had.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 01:37 AM
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I can't CYV because it's probably accurate. This is an endorsement for living together prior to marriage if anything ever was (and being willing to end the relationship if the disparity in cleanliness is too out of whack). In two years when the infatuation wears off you're just left with a person who's either so messy you can't stand to live with them or such a neat freak that they're driving you crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:07 PM
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IMHO women can be turned on by actions as well as looks while maybe men remain more visual. An average looking guy who can play a guitar, spout poetry or is good to his dog earns extra "points" on the hotness scale for most women. Men conversely aren't all that impressed when an average looking woman reveals that she can do something mildly interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 10:40 PM
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Those would be the people who never got sucked into the social media vortex that seeks to convince the sexes to hate one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 10:37 PM
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You may have inadvertently stumbled onto why hookup/dating apps/sites have come into prominence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 10:36 PM
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There's def some truth in that but just based on things I've witnessed it seems a lot of older men date much younger women just to prove to other men that they're still viral. They might enjoy the sex but they have little in common to talk about with these young women. So when they roll up to a black tie affair with a late teen in tow it's usually more about being seen than truly enjoying the company of someone barely out of high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:42 PM
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Aside from the reality that being penetrated comes with many more risks than being the penetrator, this isn't surprising. Even in the most egalitarian societies there's still an undercurrent about virginity that isn't universal. As long as female virginity is viewed as something to "save for the right person" while male virginity is often seen as an unwanted burden these stats will probably persist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:39 PM
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The only thing I can think of is that once deprived of their OF incomes there might be a lot of women hitting the hookup apps all at once hoping to attract paying orbiters. So guys might have to be more careful than in the recent past to avoid being fleeced.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:37 PM
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Not sure one would expect it to increase income equality when it still costs too much for most people to achieve the credentials to be a professional. The fact that the highly educated seek each other would in theory just make it harder for the uneducated to get a foothold in a higher income bracket by virtue of "marrying up".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:30 PM
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Media tends to mislead school aged kids and convince them that everyone but them is dating. But the fact that most schools don't allow certain types of physical contact in their hallowed halls lends an air of "the forbidden" to a lot of teen relationships. Add to that parents who also have rules and this likely encourages the kind of overly emotional desperation a lot of teens feel about their significant others. Given this it's no surprise that once both parties are away from the strictures of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:28 PM
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Technically your being unattractive might be half your mother's genetic fault (but the sense of entitlement some have is almost always due to parental influence).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:23 PM
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If your parents didn't make it clear that not all women are some monolith that shares a hive mind and therefore all the same opinions then they did you a disservice. It's so grating to hear men say "women" (or women say "men") when there are some 3.5 billion of each on the planet and just about as many different opinions as there are people. There certainly are some women who like emotional, feminine men. What too often happens is that someone gets fixated on a specific person, gets shot down an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 09:02 PM
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Can't really argue with you that as a species humanity has become a lot more narcissistic and less civically minded. But despite the past few years of national embarrassment there are still pockets in the world where being from the US is considered a positive thing and that's probably part of this guy's success. That notwithstanding, he's good looking, physically fit and seems very openminded in wanting to learn about Brazilian culture and norms. All of those things probably make him at least ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:54 PM
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Define "the dating game". If that means just signing up for multiple sites/apps and setting up formal dates that the guy expects to pay for, then no, that wouldn't be worth it to the women involved either. But if it means meeting someone organically, establishing through conversation that you have things in common and then using "the dating game" to spend time together and get to know one another, yeah, that's usually worth it. If a guy is literally just looking for sex he'd almost always be bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:48 PM
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Sexual "success" mens different things to different people and not all guys are looking for a threesome. Many calculate their virility in quantity over quality and wouldn't dream of a situation in which they're not the sole focus of sexual attention, i.e. by definition what a threesome is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:44 PM
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The general concern is usually that when one partner has a fully operational brain and the other's brain is still developing there is by definition a power imbalance built into the relationship. But the flip side of course is that in almost every case the only reason an 18 year-old woman is "attracted" to a "much older" man is because she wants his money, power or status, or at least to live vicariously through it. So it's not always a great deal for the guy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:41 PM
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It is a fact that most people aren't even involved in this pill concept and are just living their lives as they see fit. So if you're one of them and you don't need any color pill, be grateful and go enjoy yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:35 PM
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Yup, this. When there's simply a greater supply of "attraction" coming from men toward women than vice versa the beauty standards would by definition be less stringent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 04:33 PM
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You can't "steal" a human being unless you literally kidnap them. These parents who decide to abandon their kids' wellbeing are the ones committing the misdeed. To blame the person they ran off with has always been lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 04:31 PM
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Not to mention that in the past it was fairly understood that men in these arranged marriage situations (aka the aristocracy) would also have a mistress or two on the side. Peasants/serfs could generally marry for love but the wealthy had to marry more strategically (with the proviso that they could still engage in sex with a chosen partner so long as they fulfilled the marital obligation to produce legitimate heirs).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 04:20 PM
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It's usually best to just do something rather than crowing about what you're doing. This would be true regardless of gender. Social media has turned us all into our own publicists and it does get tedious seeing how many people need to self promote just to feel good about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 04:02 PM
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All anyone owes society is to pay taxes and stay out of legal trouble. But conflating the plight of Afghan women under the Taliban to the handful of western women who feel as you describe is unfair. Also no one is claiming that being male is the reason the Afghan power structure collapsed. Wonder if you at least care about the prepubescent boys who'll also suffer under Taliban rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:58 PM
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The "80/20 rule" has been "mainstream" for most of humankind's existence. Classic literature from the ancient world discussed women vying for the best husbands (or at least their fathers trying to secure them the best marriages). Not sure why anyone in 2021 feels this is a new thing. Maybe just because now it's women themselves making the decisions rather than their male relatives doing it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:11 PM
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Even the Koran makes it clear that a man should only take four wives if he can readily afford to support them all. So assuming the Taliban plays by that rule it would probably still be those with more material wealth who can collect harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:06 PM
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If you really believe that men are somehow more insecure than women you run with a curious crowd. The only difference between a man's reaction to some guy hitting on his female partner and a woman's reaction to another woman trying to take her man is in the methodology. Women are just as jealous (perhaps more so), but they're less likely to think immediate physical violence is the answer. They wage more subtle campaigns to destroy lives and reputations. Men on the other hand can usually get over…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:05 PM
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Were the species in peril of extinction from low birth rates this might be a thing. But in reality while TRP and adjacent ponder these deep questions most of the rest of the world is just pumping out offspring and not worrying so much about the looks/status of those they're doing it with. Humanity/civilization isn't going to end just because the developed world stopped having babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 02:48 PM
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TBH I think people whose primary goal is to achieve "general validation" are probably missing out on a lot in life. It really only takes one truly great person to provide a happy, stable partnership. When we worry about what the entire world thinks then we're destined for disappointment. It shouldn't be a race between the sexes to figure out who has it harder in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 02:44 PM
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It would be a nicer world if at least some women would take the time to counsel such men so they can take actions to not be rejected as often as they are (the simplest of which is just making more appropriate choices in whom you approach in the first place). But yeah, we're all way too wrapped up in this nuevo battle-of-the-sexes now to ever want to lend one another a helping hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 12:36 AM
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One wonders what this "cultural overhaul" would look like. Hopefully it's not going back to the days when a woman's father decided whom to "give" her to because of course it would be impossible for her to support herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:25 AM
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Ultimately a lot of the women who "don't know or don't really care what men want" will just remain single, and that shouldn't bother you. Guys don't necessarily want to hear this but there is a segment of the adult female population that would rather be without a partner and embrace career, friends, pets, etc. than "settle" for a guy they're not all that attracted to. This upsets the historic order of women HAVING to marry or else starve. So it's taking men some getting used to. Women are also m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:17 AM
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I guess the flip side of that is that there are still plenty of people grabbing whomever's willing at 20, 21, 22 and since almost all of those marriages fail within two to three years there are always a lot of 23, 34 and 25 year-old divorcees hitting the market. In many cases the only thing wrong with them is that they got married too young and have now learned some valuable life lessons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:37 AM
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Some might say that a couple shouldn't do the "moving in" phase until they've already gotten through the infatuation part of their relationship. Wanting to have sex with someone all the time doesn't mean you trust them enough to put them on the lease and potentially put your financial future into their hands. So maybe one shouldn't take this step until their "attraction" goes above and beyond just the physical/sexual. Everyone's physical beauty and libido fade with time so it's important to see …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 02:13 PM
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Some of that feels staged, TBH. But there may be other factors in play. This seems to be on a college campus, i.e. a place where appearing to be anti LGBTQ+ could damage one's reputation. Bet the results wouldn't be the same if "Laura" was just approaching random women on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 02:07 PM
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There are some studies that link the later "sexual peak" (i.e. interest in and satisfaction from sex) in women to the fact that it's much harder to conceive after about 35. Meaning they might enjoy sex more when it can happen without so much fear of an unwanted pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 01:49 PM
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People can't really control which pheromones get them hot and bothered and so may not even really understand why they're attracted to women. There is a biology to attraction and it doesn't always translate into verbal explanations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 01:41 PM
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Probably true. Most of the people I've known who said "I can change him" really just wanted to be social workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 12:45 AM
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One is an action and one is a feeling. But they are inextricably linked in that the latter tends to motivate the former. No person who's secure in their relationship wants to "love bomb" or to be "love bombed". Amongst healthy couples when one person goes over the top with flowery gestures their partner usually assumes it's to make up some something horrible they've done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 12:44 AM
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You may have to consider that much of this is self reporting and women who can't get dates just go out with friends, dedicate themselves to careers and/or adopt pets. Because these women aren't online in league forming clubs to complain about their lack of sex perhaps they're being undercounted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 11:01 PM
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This idea some have that the entire male adult world is divided into "Chads" and "incels" is just perverse. Some probably 90%+ of guys are neither of these things and don't subscribe to any of this "pill" stuff. Outside of social media most people are just living their lives, dating when they can click with someone they like and trying to survive the slings and arrows of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:59 PM
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Your razors and dry-cleaning are cheaper and society doesn't have the expectation that you shave anything below your neck.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:47 PM
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Yup. The cost of living in most places is such that it requires two earners to raise a child. Whomever is suggesting that a woman can just dive into a career in her 30's without a substantial resume' is dreaming. Not to mention the fact that daycare costs as much as a mortgage payment. This theory only works if Ms. 20-something is able to bag a husband who not only earns well above the national average but is also willing to have a spouse who doesn't contribute financially. Ask Millennials why e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:46 PM
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Sort of like the the men complaining about "Chad" are just jealous. There's likely never been a time in human history when more attractive people didn't end up with more attractive partners ("attractive" meaning different things to different people). You do see mentions of it in historical novels on occasion. But the real game changer is that now anyone with a thought in their head and a smart phone can start an international conversation about it. Used to be they'd just gossip about it in priva…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:09 PM
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Was social media a thing when you were 21? Seems to me most of the people complaining about any kind of societal condemnation for anything they do or don't do are merely responding to what a tiny handful of the loudest extremists say on Twitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:05 PM
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I'll just humbly suggest that you haven't spent much time in L.A.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:55 PM
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Choosing to take yourself out of the marriage market doesn't make you inherently misogynistic (or misandrist when straight women do it). It's doing that because you believe AWALT or "men are pigs" that takes it to the next level.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:49 PM
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Life expectancies are far longer now than they used to be of course. But historically the trope of the "young rich widow" was real and it wasn't all that unusual to find women of a certain age who'd already buried two or three husbands. This was because it was pretty standard for women to be married off to much older "men of means". IMHO as long as the junior partner is over 25 there's really no "moral" issue as long as they don't have kids. But, again IMHO, it's not really fair to children to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:28 PM
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Maybe different people just have different criteria for their "league" and this criteria changes with time. At 18/19 when few are looking for a life partner just being physically attractive might make someone a "10". But that same hot person loses "market value" as they age if they never get an education/career because the target audience is now starting to consider traits other than just the physical wrapping paper. By the time all parties are 25+ physical beauty is merely one of many qualities…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:08 PM
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I've known plenty of women in relationships with wealthy "HVM" and they seem to put in more than their fair share of effort just to keep these guys. Surgeries they didn't really want just to placate his need for a certain body type. Cutting off family and friends he didn't like for whatever reason. Quitting careers because catering to his ego became a full-time job. It's said that "women who marry for money end up earning every dime". From my observation this is largely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:33 PM
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For people looking for more than just a hookup it might make sense to have vid calls first. But for those just seeking the fastest route to anonymous sex that would be construed as a burden. Maybe people should be just be honest about what they're looking for before they even meet. The sex seekers can then eliminate the relationship seekers and vice versa without either wasting any time or money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:29 PM
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The difference of course being that in arranged marriage of yore the participants rarely had the free will to object whereas anyone following the algorithms of OLD is there by choice. Arranged marriage tended to demand virginity to the point where non virgins could be excluded entirely. Perhaps THAT was more of a "sexual dystopia" than the fact that OLD favors the photogenic. Thankfully OLD isn't the only way to meet a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:21 PM
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IMHO it's more the straight female corollary to the pickup artist phenomenon. If we are to believe that while woman want a "high value male" to commit to a lifetime relationship and we believe that men want nearly anonymous sex with no emotional obligations whatsoever, these things seem like BFFs in terms of those who view dating as a connivance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 02:40 AM
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The thing is that most men aren't Prince Charming nor are they the "toad". The vast majority of humanity is average, that's what the word average means. Sure, "the options are the options", but smart people tend to look at the options and prioritize the things that matter. The truth is that if you're planning to be in it for life you will end up with an old man/old woman and after a certain age physical beauty just isn't part of the equation. So you'd better hope you paid attention to your partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 02:36 AM
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Married person here (legally instead of religiously). Turns out that if you marry someone who earns around the same as you there's no way for them "taking advantage" of you. Whether your union is legal or not you can still get nailed for "palimony" if you make the mistake of "marrying down", that is not caring about your partner's income and net worth. So you're already being smart to know that 25+ is key. But you'll also save a lot of potential bickering ammo if you can bring yourself to love s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:19 AM
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Relationships based on traditional gender roles only work when both partners want that. Trying to inflict some tradcon dynamic on people who just don't think that way won't work well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 03:08 PM
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Maybe "Stacy" has options too, in the form of multiple "Chads".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 03:06 PM
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Someone will point out that women tend to gravitate to uni majors that land them jobs that just pay less than the majors men tend to gravitate too. A highly educated social worker will always earn less than a software engineer, as just one example. Having any degree will generally enhance one's earning capabilities, but after that it starts to matter what kind of degree that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 02:10 PM
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To be fair, before reliable birth control came along as a game changer a typical woman, if she was sexually active, likely would at some point fall pregnant, therefore by definition giving her a physical disadvantage in terms of competing with men. I don't think anyone can understate the seismic shift that accompanied the invention of the pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 02:07 PM
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There's a faction in both men and women that finds the "unattainable" more attractive. So in some ways you might raise your allure just by saying you're not looking for a relationship (even if you are). To some people just the challenge of that is a turn on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 02:02 PM
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Different women do different things of course. But statistically women are more likely than men to have tight knit friend circles and that probably helps. Lifelong singles have always existed in the form of "bachelors" and (ugh) "spinsters". What's strange about now is that some men, the MGTOW crew, are trying to make their lifestyle into some kind of "movement". Women seem to be able to stay single without feeling the need to form a club and create websites dedicated to their lack of having par…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:20 PM
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This. It's not like people were magically happier back before divorce became so common. They were just more committed to working through the rough times that every marriage encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:03 PM
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Depends on what "jump through hoops" means. Just because a woman would give it up ASAP for a celebrity doesn't mean she isn't allowed some discretion in her dealings with others. No guy should put up with abuse (including financial abuse) just to get laid. But if to you being forced to wait until she feels comfortable with you represents "hoops" then you may end up very lonely indeed. Unless you ARE Chris Hemsworth or Zac Efron you shouldn't expect the perks that come with being those guys. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:22 PM
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Seems obvious, women with little experience don't have a vast basis of comparison and would therefore be preferable to men who lack sexual confidence. If she doesn't know any better she won't judge them too harshly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:25 PM
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Human nature being what it is, more partners = more opportunities for misunderstandings and conflict. Unpopular theory: Minus some unifying belief system (such as a religion that urges polygamy) not many people can overcome their basic desire to be "special" to a partner and not just be part of an entourage. Probably why this is more common and tends to work better in Muslim nations than in the West. Wonder how you feel about polyandry though as your focus seems to be on one man having a gaggle …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:07 PM
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Or perhaps they just value inner beauty more once they've discovered through life experience that pretty-on-the-outside-only is a recipe for disaster. IMHO the same can be said of women. This constant chase for physical perfection is definitely the bailiwick of those in their early 20's (regardless of gender).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:01 PM
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Astute observation about those of us with working moms in the 80's, 90's 00's. Women then were being told they could do it all and have it all but men weren't yet being told that they too have some responsibility for housework and childrearing. Many of us watched our harried, sleep deprived mothers trying to cover all the bases at home while also working in demanding full-time careers. It's understandable that some of us said "no, thank you" and vowed to only become a parent if we could do so wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 08:58 PM
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With women now often earning more than men in certain sectors no guy any longer has the excuse of not wanting to be a provider. Just limit your relationships to the many, many, many women who have decent jobs. Of course if you self select only idle wastrels you're going to get hit up for money. Fun fact: Alimony is almost never awarded in divorces where the partners have roughly the same income.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 07:24 PM
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This may be true if literally all you have to offer is your physical appearance. But rational women (and men) also consider attributes that's aren't always readily apparent in a Tinder profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 07:20 PM
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I HAVE dated women (and men) and the answer to this issue is the same regardless of gender. Be clear about what you're after before you even plan/agree to the date. No one should have to go all the way through a meetup only to find out at the very end of it what the other person's motivations are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:40 AM
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One wonders how low we need to set the bar for otherwise competent people to make their own life decisions. Seriously, unless someone is holding a gun to your head you always have the option of declining a marriage proposal. If one is so weak that they rush into marriage just because someone challenged their "love" then maybe they need to learn some life lessons the hard way. Take some personal responsibility, people. No clear thinking person is going to get hitched just because their partner is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:10 PM
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You seem to be making a plea for linking DNA testing/mandatory child support to non marital sex. If the men siring all these children are so "alpha" then they can easily afford to pay to raise their own kids instead of making taxpayers do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:01 PM
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Sounds like maybe successful men should be more careful about who they date and marry. It's not like any guy in any developed nation has ever been forced to date/marry "down". There are successful women out there for these men to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:59 PM
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Same. Most women who are truly interested in a guy will find a way to create an opening for him. When men complain that women won't approach them what they're really saying is that the women they consider "datable" don't consider them "datable". No doubt many of them HAVE been hit on by women, just not women they're interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:49 PM
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Or maybe just sow your wild oats before you make a commitment. Trends tend to suggest that more people will just marry at older ages than that they'll take up swinging.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:40 PM
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There's nothing wrong with it so long as the partner you've chosen is also into that dynamic. Those complaining would probably be the women who weren't looking to "adopt" a man child but ended up there anyway. If you need that kind of relationship just be honest about it when you're dating and you'll very likely find someone who's also looking for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:38 PM
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Devil's advocate... It's not necessarily about inability to consent. It's when someone too immature to reasonably manage the outcome of such a relationship tries to take on the mantel of an older person just because they're dating an older person. An 18 y.o. is generally competent to date a 25 y.o. But that 25 y.o. might already have the desire for marriage/parenthood whereas most people at 18 just aren't ready for that level of responsibility. So date younger people, just don't marry them and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:36 PM
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A man who says he can't find a loving, caring, committed partner to build a life with is always going to be more sympathetic than a guy who just bemoans that he can't bed a different women every night. Most women want love with someone who's going to stick around so they can easily commiserate with a man wanting the same. It's when the only goal is to build up a body count that a lot of women can't relate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:08 PM
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Then I guess women would just join the "go swimming on the first date" club ('cause some guys haven't heard of waterproof or something). Doing any kind of artifice is pretty pointless if you're hoping to have an actual IRL relationship with someone as the truth reveals itself eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:34 AM
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Or perhaps they do it because there is for real a certain percentage of men who'll dismiss a woman as "easy" (meaning her body count is probably higher than she's admitting to) if she has sex early in the relationship. Not defending the mindset of such women, just saying that while you might be open minded about this not all guys are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:53 AM
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"Guys are told that if they pursue a girl for long enough, bend over backwards to earn her approval, and make the right grand gesture they will eventually get her." A decade ago maybe. Now guys are told that if they try and get shot down any further attempt is harassment. One of few upsides to the new paradigm is that it will surely mean the death of the unrealistic romcom wherein pestering someone into dating you was the norm. Any girl who makes you "bend over backwards to earn her approval" do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 02:26 PM
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This is why communication is key. No one should go home from a first date not knowing what the person they were out with is looking for. So much confusion and so many hurt feelings could be avoided if people looking for something serious just said so up front. Same with people just looking for sex or a casual fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:47 PM
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Perhaps this is because men's fashion/pop culture/media haven't yet taken up the male version of "beautiful at any size". Views on female obesity are a direct result of the "fat acceptance" movement (which for some reason hasn't yet made male obesity an issue). When a large female celeb loses weight she's often decried for "betraying" her heavy fans. No such uproar when a male celeb sheds some extra pounds. Big men just need to get more advertising/propaganda on their side.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:45 PM
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Same as with men who date Tammy the Two Bit Bum then come out of it saying AWALT. Instead of learning the lesson that one has to be more discriminating far too many extrapolate that "all" men/women are "like that".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:41 PM
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The whole "betabux" thing can be easily avoided by only marrying women who have their own careers and earn their own money. Of course if you marry an idle, unmotivated person you're going to end up paying all or most of the bills (and this is true regardless of what gender you are or what gender you're dating).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:38 PM
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Probably easier for them to get into committed relationships than to be highly desirable in the hookup marketplace. This is because just being willing to commit is in an of itself an attractive trait to women looking for a longterm thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:36 PM
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I think Elliot Rodger sort of proved that one can be above average looking and have wealth/social standing but still be repulsive owing to a personality defect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:25 PM
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The message here seems to be 'don't pay your non marital partner's bills'. Plus also maybe a little '19 is way too young to be making permanent life choices like getting married'. If men were a little more wary in these situations things like this wouldn't happen as often as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 02:39 PM
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As long as the noncommittal partner is honest about it it sort of becomes a caveat emptor situation. If someone who wants a commitment agrees to have sex with someone who's already told them it's casual then they have only themselves to blame if they feel "used" afterwards. It's when a relationship is promised but then reneged on that taken "advantage" of become a plausibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 02:35 PM
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Men tend to have higher libidos. It's more socially acceptable for men to have sex outside of a committed relationship. It's far safer for a man to take home an anonymous sex partner than it is for a woman to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 02:24 PM
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That some people feel Alexandra Grant is objectively less attractive than Keanu Reeves just shows the way fame skews perception. She, in her late 40's, may not be as attractive as he was in his 20's, but at this point in time he's not the looker he used to be. The hew and cry on this one seems to be that a man capable of attracting much younger women chose to date one that's actually age appropriate to himself. How DARE he?!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 02:05 PM
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You've clearly never seen a pack of THOTs meet a bus full of hot Mormon missionary guys. The challenge of a male virgin is actually a turn on to a certain kind of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:12 PM
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This. Much like when the incel/MGTOW brigade say AWALT. They don't literally mean "all women", just the attractive women they'd be willing to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:05 PM
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They also don't put out while just dating no matter how much a guy spends on dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 10:58 PM
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Curious that the USSR had to hand out medals to make couples willing to procreate. All that great sex certainly didn't result in sustainable birthrates for a lot of these places.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 10:56 PM
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Yes, "dating is pointless" unless one is tradcon enough to be looking for a life partner/spouse with the intention of building a family and a life together. If someone places no value on companionship, doesn't want progeny and can get sex easily without dating (or doesn't want sex at all) then "dating is pointless".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 10:52 PM
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Almost no one is going to get the advice to lower their standards unless they're complaining that they can't get dates with people of the standard they prefer. In which case trying for a different kind of person just seems like common sense. But if the "less attractive" people who are each other's natural dating pool are all holding out for something they're unlikely to ever get it skews the whole order of things. Just as many average men complain about average women trying to date "Chad" as do …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 03:20 PM
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Knowing plenty of "hot girls" as I do... I do believe such women are propositioned by men almost daily. But I know factually that they're not going home with every guy who offers. So from the attractive female perspective, the opportunities are there but the sex isn't happening nearly as much as some men seem to think. More overtures for sex are rejected than accepted (and that's probably true regardless of how attractive the people involved are).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 03:07 PM
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Since the opinions here are also largely being received by western men it's worth noting that they too will be a less significant demographic in the future. It's not like the decline of the west is only going to take women with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 03:03 PM
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This. The fortune ones find a partner who's "better" than them in the areas where they're lacking. I.e. He's great at being a stoic and that helps her through life's daily traumas but she's better at crafting a social life for the both of them that helps him not become a shut-in. Finding someone who possesses the characteristics you lack seems underrated these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 04:40 PM
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At least you make the valid point that it's the behavior of some men that enable the behavior of some women. If there wasn't a market for sugar babies, cam-girls, OF, thirst traps, et al these behaviors would cease to be a viable way for a woman to earn a living. Seems that men should be chastising other men for setting the table in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 04:16 PM
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The guys who complain about "bad boys" don't seem to be looking for "mature" women. In most cases they're not looking for a marriage partner, they're irritated that they're not getting the meaningless hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 03:05 PM
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Honestly, every "male feminist" I know got that way either by watching his mom/sisters go through crap or is the father to a daughter and wants to help make her life easier. Here in southern California there's nothing particularly "feminist" about doing yoga, going to art museums or picnicking on the beach.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 03:01 PM
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Yes, hobble the rest of your life and be willing to live in poverty just to appeal to a certain sort of women for the decade or so of life when you're super horny. This tactic doesn't take into consideration that generally speaking women would rather be alone than to be forced to date someone they're not attracted to. Guys choosing this option would only hasten the growing education gap between males and females.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:57 PM
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Different people will have different red flags. Someone who lacks experience (and is perhaps worried about not knowing what to do) would probably prefer a likewise inexperienced partner. At the other end of the spectrum would be someone like you who's already been through some stuff and hence doesn't want to be a sex instructor. People with experience tend to know what they want and be willing to talk about it. If one still views sex as intimidating that's the last thing they'd want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:53 PM
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Probably, same as all the childhood ego fluffing in the service of "self esteem" has affected boys (now men) too. It's the reason some women have impossible standards and it's also the reason some men can't understand why supermodels don't want them. "But Mom says I'm the whole package...these women must be dumb."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:49 PM
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One could argue that if they're "not available" they're not "good catches", assuming a good catch would be someone who actually wants to be with you. Finding "the one" isn't supposed to be easy. Nothing worth having is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:46 PM
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Depends on the friend group in question. In my experience with my cohort we'd steer clear of a guy one of us was interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:43 PM
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So the roughly 37% of US households that can afford to have a SAHM then, by no means the majority as most married women work (whether they want to or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 01:13 AM
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This may come down to generalized priorities, i.e. a man will usually value sex in a relationship more than a woman will. So she could tell him he's "her best" listener, playmate, traveler, joker, intellectual, etc. But he won't appreciate that as much as her telling him he's her best sex partner ever. Meanwhile for most women as long as they can get off together all those other things might matter more. Just differences in thinking, IMHO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:29 PM
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I'd question this edict as most western nations are able to deal with falling birthrates via immigration. But if I had to come up with a plan it would involve teaching things like relationship dynamics and personal finance as part of the high school curriculum. Far too many leave education without any real life skills and remain in a state of quasi-childhood/irresponsibility well into their 20's. On top of that steps would need to be taken to make marriage/family building more affordable. Even m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:24 PM
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IMHO "casual sex" is kind of an umbrella term that covers everything from anonymous, glory hole activities to that FWB you see on the regular. So basically any sex that isn't part of an ongoing romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:06 PM
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We've been manipulated into a false 'battle of the sexes' and the trenches are social media. When you read enough garbage about how treacherous the opposite sex is you tend to be less interested. Note that I don't think gay men and lesbians are having any less sex than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 06:04 PM
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Not to mention that some researchers think obesity lowers libido because of how it affects the body's hormone production. So maybe not even just a visual lack of attraction but less interest in sex generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 05:33 PM
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More generally, there’s a disconnect between what women want and what is actually available to them. Men too though, don't you think? A lot of guys want a woman who doesn't challenge them intellectually and isn't an ounce over her ideal body weight. In an age of female empowerment where obesity is an international health crisis there are fewer "ideal" (from the perspective of some men) women for men to choose from. How many OLD profiles will say straight out, "no feminists", "no fat chicks"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:59 PM
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One could just as easily say that dating more people reduces the likelihood of having impossible standards. If you start out expecting perfection you soon learn that no one is perfect and through successive partners that idea would be reenforced (because, again, no one is perfect). If anything serial dating probably teaches a woman to focus more on a small list of musts while jettisoning some of her more unrealistic wish list items. I.e. John proved to me that a guy doesn't need a six-pack to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 04:45 PM
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"Women are encouraged" to pay the rent and their own bills. In most cases they need the money as badly as a man does. This observation of yours seems to be from some past time when every woman was either married or still living with her parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 03:08 PM
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Most polling ever done on this report that a majority of mothers are working because they have to, not because they choose to. So to assume every working mom is making a choice is a bit specious. The reality is that single mothers and moms with partners who earn at or below the national average simply can't afford to raise kids without also working. It's more expensive than ever to live in a decent school district and to rent/own the space for a family. This wasn't the case in the 50's/60's when…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 03:06 PM
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This begs for a new standard where people state their intentions on the first date. "I'm looking for a relationship" connotes a different schedule than "I'm just here for an anonymous quickie". At least then people could walk away from a situation they're not interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 02:52 PM
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Honestly for me it's being interesting, capable of long conversations about our shared interests and having a wicked sense of humor. I know you're looking more for physical things, but you did ask. TBH by the time he's inserting himself the seduction is already complete.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 12:48 AM
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People sometimes overestimate their ability to attract others but sometimes it takes ghosting a decent pick only to bomb out in the SMP to humble them. That quintessential "midlife crisis" spouse who leaves a marriage to "play the field" usually finds out the hard way that dating is a minefield now. Crawling back to the last willing partner becomes an attractive option.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 12:37 AM
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From what I can glean Gen Z has different (perhaps lower) expectations than Millennials did/do. Millennials reasonably expected lives much like their parents had with the ability to get a degree, settle into a career and own a home at some point. It's not their fault they were coming of age just as the Great Recession hit nor that the university majors most of them picked became nearly obsolete by the time they graduated. Gen Z has witnessed this and will likely be more acclimated to an economy …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 12:33 AM
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You seem to believe that the public writ large has more disdain for one of these things than the other. Yes, people scowl when a man dumps his wife for a younger model. But people also scoff when a wealthy, powerful, high status man marries a much younger woman who has nothing to offer but her looks. To rational people both of these actions are suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 11:33 PM
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Some say a lot of the OLD platforms are used more for the advertising of sex work/simp collecting than for actual dates. Maybe that's what you're seeing (because if these women were really interested in finding relationships chances are they'd have already done that and then deleted their OLD apps). That's *IF* they're even women at all and not just the bots that have permeated every facet of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:09 PM
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There seems to be a belief in certain circles that the male member is so powerful it can virtually change the anatomy of a receptive female sex partner. As if that female anatomy wasn't designed to pass something much larger through it and still snap back into shape. Unless a man has parts bigger than a typical newborn this isn't usually a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:02 PM
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If by "affection" you mean sex, yes it is a fact that the human sex drive decreases with age in both genders. Whether people pair bond early in life or wait until later to develop an exclusive relationship it's just biology that early 20's are hornier than 30+ folx. One suspects you're looking at "mature" relationships through the lens of a younger person who's still got a high T count. Turns out that later in life when a guy has to take a pill to do the deed his appreciation for a partner capab…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:44 PM
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Beauty standards change with the whims of Big Fashion, Big Makeup and now the "influencer" class. The "ideal body" of the "heroin chic" 1990's is very different from the exaggerated hourglass that's popular now. So while some of these extremes might be "unrealistic", they're always changing and that might be part of the complaint. The male body just doesn't get as much attention from the industries that control the look of the moment so in most cases all a guy has to do to stay en vogue is hit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:31 PM
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There's a reason there's also such a thing as a Nice Girl, because either gender can play that manipulative game. The male version of the girl next door should just be the guy next door. The fact that the term "nice" has been coopted to describe sociopaths is the real problem here. The reality is that most guys and most women would happily date the "next door" as long as they've got some interests in common. Wonder if those complaining have even bothered to try to date their neighbor or if they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:08 PM
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When that level of paranoia and suspicion enters a relationship it's usually headed in the wrong direction anyway. You may not be destined to be alone if you demand this but you'll certainly be giving your partner motivation to rebel against your strictures. IMHO this just isn't adult behavior. But I do suppose a lot of teens do it. Hopefully they'll outgrow that level of insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 09:16 PM
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That advice doesn't say 'cultivate false friendships solely to meet lovers', it advises people who already have friends to get to know the friends of those friends (and maybe their friends too). No one ever said to infiltrate a group of people you don't really care about just to mine them for their single female associates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 09:09 PM
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Could be the audience you're choosing to express these views to. Plenty of people keep such opinions to themselves and share them only with those they date. Men wanting virgins who aren't online talking about it are rarely called "incel". Of course if one intentionally wades into the morass of the internet name calling just kind of goes with the territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 04:55 PM
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IMHO the problem is that people don't always communicate well. We don't all have the same expectations or interpretations of events. Some just assume that if a first date went well the person they like isn't also still dating others. The flip side of that is people who assume that until a verbal commitment to exclusivity is made it should be understand that both parties are still free to pursue others. If everyone could just talk about this openly there'd be less lying (because there'd be no nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 04:42 PM
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When you approach a total stranger in a public place she knows you know nothing about her and that your entire interest is based on her physical appearance. Now this is a turnoff to any woman who values her mind/personality. The girls at your college know that you at least share the commonality of being students and having chosen the same university. They instantly realize you have at least that in common. Those girls on the bus/train recognize that all you value in them is the way they look (an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 03:59 AM
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It seems that for casual sex both men and women are seeking only someone they're attracted to. This can be because someone is physically hot, devastatingly charming or just that their pheromones are arranged in the right way. But when seeking a partner they need that plus other attributes that vary greatly depending on whom you're asking. People who want families place a lot of emphasis on finding a partner who'll be a good parent, as just one example of how personality traits are just as import…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 05:57 PM
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My first thought is that a lot of these sugar daddies could probably easily have long term relationships with women, they just choose not to. OF patrons probably run the gamut from those who want love and can't get it to those already in relationships who just like a bit of amateur porn on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 05:51 PM
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IMHO sometimes he doesn't want a woman his own age because with age tends to come confidence and the willingness to challenge a partner's ideas. An 18 y.o. is less likely to question his beliefs or hold him to rigid standards of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:46 PM
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Some careers require more charisma than others. While you do occasionally find politicians and business leaders with unstoppable swagger, it really is more the domain of rockstars and other kinds of performers. I kind of think people like Zayn and Jason Derulo would still do just fine with the ladies even if they weren't famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:36 PM
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Anyone and everyone is "entitled" to hold out for whatever they want. Doesn't mean they're going to find it. Just means they have the right to choose to stay single rather than lower their standards in any way. Long gone are the days when people have some moral obligation to pair bond and create the next generation. Humans aren't likely to go extinct any time soon just because some are choosing to stay out of the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:30 PM
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There are still women who like the "skinny artsy", "gamers and nerds". They're just not usually factored into debates like this because they themselves aren't conventionally attractive. Just 27% of Americans use OLD and it tends to be a pretty self selecting group (i.e. if you don't photograph well you're less likely to use OLD and if you are "hot" you're more likely to be holding out for someone who's as attractive as you are).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:26 PM
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The short answer is no. Falling birthrates can be mitigated through immigration and single motherhood creates job security for those who administer governmental programs. But if the price point/taxation on legal sex work was set correctly that could be a benefit to the localities that allowed it. Governments, be they federal, state or local, really only care about tax revenue and while services aren't generally taxed at the consumer level businesses (such as brothels) are subject to a myriad of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 08:45 PM
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Doesn't this HAVE to be "mutually decided"? I mean who just stops going to work one day without conferring with their partner first? And what working partner just lets that happen without demanding that they discuss it as a couple? That said, I've only known two people who ever paid alimony and they were both successful women paying it to "starving artist" ex-husbands. So this isn't always as gendered as you might believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 06:57 PM
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"Unity of finances" suggests that both parties are pooling their wealth/income. As higher earning women are more likely to keep their original surnames (often for professional reasons) one assumes you're leaning more toward hyphenating the names than the woman taking the man's name. In some career fields where name recognition is key it can be debilitating to a working women to suddenly take a new name.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 06:49 PM
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"Good" is in the eye of the beholder and we've just been socially conditioned to equate lines on a man's face with wisdom and lines on a woman's face as damage. Men in their 30's might want to date younger women because they're innately programmed to seek out the most fertile female and it's just a fact that women often have a harder time conceiving once in their 30's. This is subconscious and tends to be true whether they actually want children or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 06:07 PM
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Or is it because most of us just tend to buy what's on offer and fashion designers have become progressively more daring in crafting collections that show a lot of skin? You can't even find modest clothes for little girls much anymore in the conventional marketplace. Are fashion lines just producing what they public demands or are they consciously trying to push boundaries and make us all accept that a woman's bathing suit covers little more than underwear while a man's board shorts can be well …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 04:54 PM
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Just an observation... In the pre-social media days when actors weren't expected to publish their personal lives 24/7 most people probably didn't realize how short or tall they were. Production tricks mask a lot of that and if an actor's height (or lack thereof) isn't part of his schtick, think Kevin Hart, most of us would never know when a beloved actor is shorter than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 03:46 PM
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Perhaps an argument for making 'talking about sex' part of the high school Health class curriculum. Just knowing where a penis goes and how to avoid pregnancy isn't really enough to inform people how to have a satisfactory sex life. Odd how many are willing to jump into bed with a new partner but unwilling to talk about what they like and what they don't. Like it's just supposed to be automatic that we all know each other's kinks and turnoffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 03:25 PM
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Competitive_Pen makes this valid point: "It usually happensled through common interests. We know each other first outside any romantic Intentions. But men always initiated." Meaning if you meet someone at an art opening you already know they share your interest in art. Similarly you'd find likeminded people at your religious event, cooking class, hiking club, et al. Just knowing you've already got some common ground makes it a lot easier (and potentially more successful) than randomly approachin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 07:02 PM
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Short answer, it doesn't, and TBH serves more as a cautionary tale to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 05:04 PM
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Most studies reveal that women have wider and more intense friendship circles and these remain throughout their lives. Men in general have fewer friends and less intense levels of involvement with those friends. So the short answer might be that women can get what they need (emotional support) from platonic relationships whereas men might only feel they can get that from a romantic association with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 05:02 PM
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Those who live their lives on message boards and hate sites will for sure. Thankfully the majority of people are still engaging in real life, falling in love, forging lasting relationships and creating enduring families. Happy people have no need to engage in the battle of the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 04:56 PM
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To a large degree yes. But when a "culture" moves from the face-to-face norm to primarily lusting for what can be seen digitally it naturally follows that humor, nuance, pheromones and other human things are lost to only what can be viewed remotely with the eyes. If vision is the only sense you're able to employ your tastes would tend to become more visual. The pandemic surely only made this phenomenon more widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 04:37 PM
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Or perhaps a symptom of a poorly run corporation that's been losing market share for years panicking and trying this as a Hail Mary pass. At this point it's not like VS has a whole lot to lose by trying something "radical" to appeal to an increasingly counter culture consumership. Kinda don't think it's going to work, IMHO.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 04:00 PM
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"Incel" is a relatively new word/concept. The annals of US historic true crime are filled with men who killed over sexual frustration. They were "incel" before we had a word for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 04:16 PM
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Same. Honestly, I think it's for the same kind of venting one sees over on TRP or MGTOW, just from unhappy women instead of unhappy men. The truth is that most people do just fine in their relationships and like most things it's the highly vocal minority that steals all the thunder. No doubt there are far more lurkers there than people really contributing. For the rest of us it's a kind of voyeurism that makes us feel better about our lives and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 01:26 AM
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All the research ever done on "attraction" has gleaned that symmetry is the deciding factor on what humans (and other primates) find attractive. On top of that we all have our individual preferences for things like coloring and such. But having a symmetrical face seems to span all cultures and is the one universal factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:35 PM
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Hard to quantify this as possibilities in the Digital Age move fast. Even 2010's teens didn't have the proliferation of swiping sites and unrealistic images to contend with than teens do now. So a 20's person in 2021 is living in a much different world than they were in high school. A 30's person even more so. But generally adolescents date those they see every day at school so it's a lot harder to ghost/block and just ignore someone. This probably leads to better attempts at actual communicatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 04:56 PM
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Increasingly both genders are judging one another by the worst/most visible elements. Most men aren't f-bois, rapists or misogynists... Most women aren't IG filtered, OnlyFans or gold diggers... Yet to scan the public pages on most sites you'd think this is all that's on offer in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 04:44 PM
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Gotta think this skews heavily toward men who have no interest in raising children. Few guys are wanting to have a family while living in a cardboard box.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 04:38 PM
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Not to mention that if your spouse earns about what you do there's rarely any alimony awarded if things go wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 10:48 PM
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If "by our society" means just the heterosexual parts of our society this is probably true. Men are simply more visual creatures and it's likely not coincidence that most of our classical art pieces extolling the physiques of men were crafted by gay male artists (think Michelangelo's David). Straight women tend to appreciate male physical markers for their deeper messaging, i.e. we like a guy in a suit because that conveys a sense of responsibility on his part; decent white collar job, cares abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 02:58 PM
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Every single member of BTS
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:24 PM
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OP never define the end goal of these two hypothetical people. Assuming they're both just looking for meaningless sex, that'll always be easier for women. But if they want LTRs that's usually easier for men to obtain precisely because there are fewer 30 y.o. males looking for relationships than there are women that age who are ready to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 06:22 PM
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Factually "single" just means not currently married. But the pantheon of "single" parents is varied. A divorced parent whose former spouse is a deadbeat is usually worse off than a never married parent whose former partner is heavily involved in the child's life. Maybe we need to use the term "solo parent" to describe someone who's doing it entirely on their own (regardless of whether they've ever been married or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:58 PM
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For most women (as well as for most men) the criteria for "just sex" is different than the criteria for sex within a relationship. One hopes your GF sees more in you than just your physical appearance. But when someone (of any gender) isn't looking for love but just for a one-off then looks become more important. IMHO
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:40 PM
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If a guy wants to marry a virgin but presses for sex early in the dating process that might be a good way for a woman to know that he's already decided she's not "marriage material". Might say more about his opinion of her than about any incongruous logic on his part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 02:57 PM
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Vis-a-vis sex it could be more like 'Demolition Man', everything is VR so you can program any kind of partner you may prefer. After all the brain is the most important sex organ humans have.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 11:26 PM
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Bet all those now famous guys who got "discovered" on social media sites would argue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:22 PM
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You've cited two different dimensions in this description of what's "one dimensional". But men evaluate women in the exact same ways. How she makes him feel about himself and how "useful" she is in terms of not being high maintenance or overly demanding (and perhaps even having some practical skills). Also, as a woman happily married to a "neurotic nerdy" "Reddit guy" I take some exception to your claims ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:19 PM
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All of this is why more people should consider freebies like a walk in the park or a day at the beach as viable early date options. Maybe no one should be expected to pay until both are sure it's worth pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 09:02 PM
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Not to mention that at the advent of social media has likely changed the "true nature" of susceptible people (regardless of their gender) and made them into a new type of person that didn't exist before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 08:53 PM
2

Some of these guys probably have parents back in India who still expect to be the ones picking their sons' brides anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:29 PM
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While some classical art features the male form in all its splendor it's just a fact that most of the paintings and statuary of yore showed female bodies. This kind of social conditioning still permeates the minds of some. Even in modern pop culture the female body is always more front and center than the male body. So not sure you can blame individual women for picking up on something that's been around for millennia.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 01:50 AM
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Mass "I can change him" syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 09:52 PM
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Having known several "cougars" I can offer that it seems to depend on the kind of relationship they're looking for. None that I know were trying to marry these guys and most just appreciated them for their youthful bodies and sexual stamina. They all understood that eventually these younger men would move on to younger women once they wanted a serious relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:51 PM
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Maybe the point is that Grampa is no longer looking for sex from women so he can now evaluate them from a less thirsty standpoint. When one's primary motivation is an orgasm they're not always thinking very clearly (and this would be true of any gender seeking sex with any other gender). Our hormones cloud our judgement and this has always been the case. IMHO Most surveys done on the elderly paint them as generally more contented with life and a lot of that probably has to do with their weakened…
/r/MGTOW203/06/21 02:08 AM
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Exactly! But..."average", partnered people also spend a lot less time online complaining about their situation so one has to consider that the "average" man just isn't represented in all these forums where guys complain about women. Perhaps too much attention given to online activity when so many are off-line just enjoying life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 01:58 AM
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Possibly from the historical reality that women didn't have the option to hold out for a man they found physically attractive. More important in the mid 20th century was that her parents approved and that he was a good provider. Looks weren't considered as heavily in the decision as her family cared more that she'd be taken care of. Women have only had the ability to demand beauty in male partners since they became capable of providing for themselves. Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 03:40 PM
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The stat usually cites "single childless" women (as earning as much or more than their male counterparts). So taken as a whole the female earning numbers might be heavily skewed downward by the wives/moms who also inhabit these stats. Pretty much every chart shows a loss of earning potential once a woman weds or becomes a parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 01:34 AM
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As a generality neither men nor women really understand what the other gender finds attractive. Men will try to bulk up with muscles and women will fret about getting their makeup on point when in reality most straight women aren't looking for a gym rat and most straight men aren't big fans of cosmetics. It's probably competition with our same gendered friends that leads us to think this is what the opposite sex is into. IMHO
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 11:15 PM
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Mutual respect is probably more important to friendship than being willing to engage in an entirely one-sided armchair therapist scenario. Any "friend", male or female, who isn't getting what they want out of a relationship has no obligation to remain in it. If you're truly just enduring someone else in the hopes it'll translate to you getting off...there's the door, use it (instead of griping about it).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 11:32 PM
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This type also gets offended when the woman insists on paying for her own dinner because that nullifies the "but you owe me" play at the end of the date. Women truly have no good option in dealing with this kind of guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 03:32 PM
1

If you're trying to find a relationship with an athlete or personal trainer muscles might be important but for the average person this isn't the case. Most people just want a partner who's healthy (in both body and mind - so don't obsess about this).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 05:21 PM
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Those who follow statistics might be looking at the fact that marriages involving people under about 25/26 have astronomical divorce rates (while that rate tends to go down after that age). Also, people used to be career ready at 18 while now it usually takes longer to get the qualifications to hold a job that would support a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 05:19 PM
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The first date pay threshold offers a good indictor for both genders. There's nothing wrong with being "traditional" as long as you find a "traditional" partner. Likewise more modern minded people can identify each other through this same ritual of who offers to pay for what. First date finances usually carry on throughout the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:23 PM
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This might break down more by age than gender. Most under 25's of any gender are still looking for the exotic vacation but usually as people approach 30 they're starting to want the comfort that comes with a committed partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 04:18 PM
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"Prime" is subjective and for those men who are looking for life partners rather than sexual playthings there is no "wall" because they value a woman's life experience, earning potential and the maturity/lack of drama that comes with a slightly more seasoned individual. IMHO it's a good thing that some men are so open about their beliefs on this. It lets women know who's worthy of dating and who should be avoided at all cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:42 AM
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In most cases a guy has to find you at least a little "pretty" for him to want to begin a relationship in the first place. But if he's telling you you're the most beautiful woman on Earth he's lying. So there's a sweet spot in between his finding you physically repulsive and his lathering on empty flattery. In the long run beauty is fleeting and it's everything else that matters more. Being a good match is ultimately more important than having a fan who fluffs your ego over superficial notions l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 03:28 PM
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Stacy likely had to shell out for waxing, tanning, haircare, invisaligns, cosmetics or some combination of those things to be considered a Stacy though. What passes for "natural beauty" doesn't come naturally to very many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 04:40 PM
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Trust me, it's the not the "feminist" women sitting around whining for roses and jewelry on V-Day. It's that other kind...you know, the kind that value guys for their wallets, that far too many men seem to flock to.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 10:47 PM
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This may have some resonance with older MGTOW persons but as long as the "Bernie Bros" (who are largely MGTOW/incel) are making their presence known on Twitter this probably won't be the takeaway for most people.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 10:44 PM
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There is more and you'll recognize it at about 30 when your testosterone level starts to wane.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 10:17 PM
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So what you're saying is that access to a safe and legal abortion gave you the freedom to have the life you now live. Congrats.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 10:14 PM
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Yes, you're not a "MGTOW" if you have a girlfriend. Congratulations on being mature enough to seek out what you want instead of just complaining from your mother's basement that no woman is good enough for you.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 07:08 PM
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Yup. Just like all the men who reject "landwhales" and "roasties". All people should be allowed to choose who they have sex and under what conditions that happens.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 07:05 PM
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Because just like men they want to CHOOSE who they have sex with. Liking sex doesn't mean you're going to have it with just anyone. You might like food but you wouldn't eat in a restaurant with health code violations and roaches running all over the tables.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 07:04 PM
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If you think this is only a western thing you've never been to Asia or Latin America.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 07:01 PM
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Or they go work for one of the many companies others companies now have to hire to run their "diversity training". This has spawned its own industry along with jobs in the field.
/r/MGTOW06/02/20 07:05 PM
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