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I think there's merit to the idea that Reddit votes basically exist at 2 different levels of intellect. People who vote on the thread and move on probably opened it, chuckled because it's 4chan and that's the kind of thing that happens there, and upvoted it. It's pretty typical in other subreddits like /r/news that a misleading or dishonest article gets 2000 upvotes but then the top comment discredits it and has 1500 upvotes. It's too bad, but the thread itself shows people's basic reaction and …
/r/MensRights02/02/14 09:27 PM
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First of all, hate group accusations will come anyway, so tailoring what can be said to accommodate the political adversaries' sensitivity is counterproductive. I'm not talking about catering to them unreasonably. I'm talking about explicitly doing the thing they say the MRM does and then upvoting it. If I tell you "don't be a racist asshole" and then accuse you of being racist for something that isn't racist, then yeah, that's on me. But if you know I'm looking to call you a racist, don't say s…
/r/MensRights02/02/14 09:23 PM
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The problem isn't that everyone does it, because most people don't. The problem is that people who do aren't mass-downvoted. It's like if you had 20 friends and 2 of them are openly racist. Your whole group looks bad, even if 90% of you aren't racist. When crap like this gets upvoted, everyone looks bad. When you invite your openly racist friend to parties and introduce him to everyone and then he rages about minorities stealing jerbs, you look bad for bringing him to the party. I'll give people…
/r/MensRights02/02/14 06:00 PM
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This doesn't mention feminists, it just bashes women. I say this as someone who agrees with a lot of the MRM but thinks it needs a PR coach: upvoting shit like this is why so many people go "hurrr hate group" and dismiss the valid things the MRM has to say.
/r/MensRights02/02/14 04:16 PM
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I agree it seems to be more out of a traditional mindset than outright sexism, but traditional mindsets are sexist. Her opinion still amounts to "men should still have to do military service but me? Lol why would I want to waste 2 years of my life if we aren't even going to be in a war?"
/r/MensRights22/12/13 04:31 PM
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Then he still didn't SIGN HIMSELF into debt. Read your original post. You said it is possible to sign yourself into slavery by signing yourself into debt. Stop trying to change the premise.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 12:32 PM
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Well shit, I guess that's why I'm not a lawyer. I'd say getting kicked out of college has more of an impact than a lot of segregating laws did (note: NOT that I'm saying men have it worse than black people did under segregation laws).
/r/MensRights18/12/13 07:22 PM
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Then you didn't sign yourself into debt and your entire premise is flawed. But even if you want to talk about debt imposed on you, medical bankruptcy is terrible but nowhere near slavery. You are being hyperbolic at best and facetious at worst.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 05:39 PM
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The whole thing. Literally. Having an obligation to do something you is not slavery. Being able to do literally anything that is legal while paying off the debt is not a slave's condition. This is an absurd argument. You can't just take other people's resources and claim it's slavery because you don't feel like paying them back.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 11:44 AM
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Do you have examples of people being enslaved because of debt incurred by a mutually consensual contract. I don't think you know what slavery is. Repaying something you chose to acquire is not slavery.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 03:53 AM
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That is an absurd argument. Being in debt makes you owe money. You can go where you please, do what you please, and earn that money however you please. Your human rights are not violated because you signed an agreement with a difference in the time service is rendered and the time the service is paid for.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 03:24 AM
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What? Are you arguing that it should be illegal to borrow money or something?
/r/MensRights18/12/13 03:09 AM
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IANAL but in Canada any clause which violates human rights is invalid. You can't sign yourself into slavery, for example.
/r/MensRights17/12/13 05:40 PM
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For fucks sake, can we not turn into SRS? This is a joke. You don't know the intent of the person making it but it's safe to say this woman is just trying to get a laugh out of some stressed friends.
/r/MensRights13/12/13 12:28 PM
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Has anyone verified this statistic? I suspect they mean that 1 in 7 women lives below the poverty line, not that 1 out of 7 poor people are women. I'm not even sure the latter is possible unless couples where the man works for peanuts and the woman doesn't work are counted as poor men and not poor women. If it's the former and not the latter, we look like a bunch of goddamn whiners for spinning a statistic like that into something it isn't and I humbly request that the mods add a [Misleading Tit…
/r/MensRights16/11/13 06:31 PM
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I'm glad to see you got buried by an avalanche of down votes.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 12:17 AM
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It is either all funny, or none of it funny. Not really. There can be funny or unfunny jokes about almost anything. I just think (and this is entirely subjective) that the "worse" the subject matter, the higher the threshold has to be for it to be acceptable. If you're going to make a joke about Jews burning in ovens it better be goddamn hilarious or it just isn't worth it, but if you're making a joke about airline food pretty much anything goes.
/r/MensRights06/10/13 04:06 AM
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As a rule, if women are oppressed out getting raped, men are dying or pretty much enslaved. I'm not a sociologist but it seems to hold true.
/r/MensRights02/10/13 01:32 PM
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They have worded it so that a VERY innocuous and common thing, a man verbally persuading his wife to have sex with him, is labeled as rape. Could you cite the part(s) of the report where this is said? I tried finding it but it's either buried somewhere or disjointed.
/r/MensRights12/09/13 01:57 AM
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This is humor, not political commentary. I lol'd, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend this is somehow a MRM message. If you want to be serious about it, moving heavy stuff for weaker friends is something anybody should be willing to do for their friends. Sucking dick isn't. If I had to reach under something I might ask a tiny female friend to do it, doesn't mean that's equivalent to demanding a blow job.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 09:37 PM
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That wasn't the point at all. The point - which I agree with entirely - is that sometimes this looks like ShitFacebookSaid and is just a circle jerk.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 02:04 PM
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This is the kind of post we need more of. Well done, OP. Folks, keep this thread in your back pocket to draw arguments and citations from. I'd suggest rephrasing confirmable evidence and links without sourcing /r/mensrights as that tends to provide people with an excuse not to listen (I.e.: "oh you're one of them").
/r/MensRights11/09/13 02:02 PM
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Right. Which is what I said. If she isn't asking for anything, lying isn't a crime.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 09:41 PM
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This shit is what gets cherry picked to make this sub and the MRM in general look bad.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 05:42 PM
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Lying isn't a crime. Maybe if she tried blackmailing him or something.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 05:41 PM
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My favorite part of your comment is that you probably don't realize how encompassingly slimy it is to compare a woman's willingness to vulnerability to a lack of adherence to 'right of way' laws. How is it slimy? In both cases nobody deserves to be victimized, but if taking a certain action can reduce the chances of it happening, how on earth could you possibly justify not taking that action? If you don't look before crossing the street when you have the right of way and you get hit, the driver …
/r/MensRights25/08/13 05:25 PM
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It's both, honestly. The original comment by the Toronto police officer was basically that women shouldn't dress "like sluts" because it increases their chances of being attacked. It was crude and phrased in a vulgar manner and I understand why there would be a negative reaction considering it was not worded the way you'd expect a professional to say it, but ultimately all the cop was saying was that people have a responsibility to do their best to avoid risk. That is somehow a fantastically off…
/r/MensRights25/08/13 06:32 AM
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Am I the only person who thinks stuff like this doesn't help anything? It's one thing to show up somewhere with a point and another simply to antagonize. So yeah, the people who were verbally attacking him came across as complete idiots, but those guys came across as pretty big tools too.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 06:29 AM
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To play devil's advocate, if you're going to argue that they are similar types of gender you're not making a good case that men get the short end of the stick. If strippers were glorified and paid millions maybe they would be equivalent. Tell your parents you want to be a quarterback and their concern will be that you will not have anything to fall back on if you don't make it big. Tell your parents you want to be a stripper and they'll flip their shit. That said, I don't think strippers are exp…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 01:30 PM
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Does it matter? There is no good reason to limit the definition.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:26 PM
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Kind of hypocritical that a definition where a gender is used where "person" would have been better is being upvoted. I agree with many of the goals of the MRM but sometimes this subreddit disappoints me.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 02:24 PM
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You don't think they already do this stuff? They changed in a hurry when Siri pointed people to counseling instead of abortion clinics (but actually answered if you asked where to hide a body). It would not be hard to change a bunch of definitions to make them less discriminatory and react swiftly if others are reported.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 09:27 PM
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Pretty nitpicky thing to point out, but OK. My point stands. Raise a stink, if Apple backs off then it was an accident. If they don't, they're complicit.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 09:07 PM
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They don't have to vet every word, but their reaction will tell us everything we need to know. It's like a restaurant that finds out its supplier is sending rat meat or something. You don't have to crucify the restaurant owner, but you sure as hell can make a stink and expect the owner to drop the supplier.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 08:45 PM
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I don't think it's unnecessary at all. If they disassociate themselves from the definition and possibly change away from using Oxford, then it's just an oversight. If they ignore it, they are complicit.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 07:38 PM
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I see where you're coming from, but sometimes posts come across as simply "yay women did something bad". Although I agree with the point, I also think this subreddit has a serious marketing problem. Anecdotal incidents are not really going to help.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 01:54 PM
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Half a backflip usually causes enough brain damage for SRS logic to seem pretty awesome. Landing on your head just once tends to do it.
/r/MensRights05/08/13 11:11 PM
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I don't think it's funny. Not because it's offensive or anything, it's just a huge circlejerk. DAE HATE SRS? Ultimately I think this subreddit has to decide between convincing people the MRM is a serious movement and being a circlejerk.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 06:52 PM
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Judge approves restraining order "just in case" --> mother gets weeks/months to trash talk the dad to the kid(s) --> by the time the custody battle rolls around, the dad hasn't seen his kid(s) in months, there's a restraining order on the record, and the kids are afraid of him. Yep. Sweet system we have here.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 04:00 PM
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reddiquette In case you don't know why you're getting downvoted: Phrases such as "this", "lol", and "I came here to say this" are not witty, original, or funny, and do not add anything to the discussion.
/r/MensRights27/07/13 05:52 AM
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I support the MRM. That doesn't mean I lean right. You have completely straw-manned my political stance because I told you the left doesn't have a monopoly on bullshit. Frankly you're coming across as pretty ignorant and naive.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 08:52 PM
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You're right. Right-wingers certainly have never race-baited using immigrants or Arabs. And conservatives have never manipulated facts to suit their ideology. Nope. Never mind the war in Iraq. Or McCarthy's communist witch hunts. Or Mitt Romney's entire campaign. Or what Stephen Harper's Conservatives do every single day.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 08:43 PM
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People are idiots. Left-dominated discussion makes lefties look dumb. Right dominated discussion (ohai Fox News) makes conservatives look dumb.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 08:31 PM
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Ignorance is not a left-right issue.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 08:18 PM
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Yes, but it depends where you go from there. There's "this is a bullshit double standard, we should get offended about it" and then there's "see? It's fucking harmless, get over it."
/r/MensRights21/07/13 07:30 PM
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This is an excellent resource with the exception of the parts on female abusers. Devoid of context (I.e.: "males are portrayed to be the only possible abusers in the following ways... But [the same statistics]"), that section just seems like it's trying to say women do bad things too - which isn't even really directly a men's rights issue. Otherwise, this is excellently worded to remain un-inflammatory and sticks to the facts. Good stuff.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 09:48 PM
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That's pretty sad. Equality shouldn't be a left-right issue. (Edit: I should probably specify that I lean left on many issues and I'm dismayed by how almost all of the left treats the MRM).
/r/MensRights16/07/13 05:51 PM
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Thanks for doing the research OP, this was a good idea and I hope you fix your stats and try something similar again. We need more non-confrontational and non-abrasive content.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 05:47 PM
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"That kidnapped boy doesn't count because most CEOs are men" -SRS
/r/MensRights16/07/13 03:02 PM
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Do they only advertise in Sun Media? Sun is not well-regarded by most and it might actually hurt if only Sun covers this.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 03:01 PM
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Shouldn't these boys be in the same age group the tag line is talking about?
/r/MensRights15/07/13 04:36 PM
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Yeah, that's a pretty typical "we ain't got shit but hopefully this guy has some weed on him or something..." move. Good thing you're squeaky clean, because it's obvious those cops were looking for something to take you in on.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 05:54 AM
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In that case I agree more with the post I replied to (the precedent establishes that simply doing it might get you cited), but I think you should do everything in your power to not drag anybody else into it. Maybe mention it's hot, you'd still dress respectably (maybe keep a spare dress shirt in your office just in case a sudden huge meeting is called), and that you think the way the code is actually applied makes your desires reasonable.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 07:56 PM
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I disagree about the approach. I think OP should just walk in wearing casual clothes one day, and if challenged mention that the dress code doesn't seem to be applied and that he didn't intend any disrespect. At that point one look around the office just proves him right. For all he knows, nobody would say anything and it's not a double standard simply because no man has challenged it.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 06:46 PM
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Hijacking the top comment to point out that this isn't necessarily a case of guilty until proven innocent. This never made it to court because of his video. We will never know if he would've gotten a fair trial. IMO the bigger news is real consequences for the accuser.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 10:05 PM
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Not to hijack the convo or anything, but would you say that the results of cases in which only the woman lies (i.e.: what we're talking about now) is on par with the results where only the man lies? I assume men almost never make up DV incidents, but they must lie about other things (infidelity perhaps?). In case you didn't know, the perception here is that when women do something wrong, extenuating circumstances are more taken into account than when it's men. There's the raw data that women get…
/r/MensRights23/06/13 07:36 PM
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Holy shit, the school should sue her for defamation at this point.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 04:56 AM
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Please stop spamming this blog. I don't know if you're the author or why you're trying to force it, but stop. The content is inflammatory and doesn't really make any valid or original points.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 03:10 PM
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I'm having the exact same problem with my sister right now, to be honest. She's the kind of well-meaning feminist who doesn't understand the connotations of stuff like portraying domestic violence as entirely males on females (her opinion is that women suffer "worse" from it so it's OK, regardless of what stats I show her she focuses on the 1% difference or the slightly worse injuries women suffer to justify it), and it's becoming a problem. We've basically agreed not to talk about it: I underst…
/r/MensRights09/06/13 03:09 PM
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So? These are the same people who believe in a zombie saving them from their sins, right? Churches, especially small ones, don't have enough credibility for any of their opinions to matter, and no amount of calling attention to their bullshit will ever make them change their mind. There are better and more powerful things to do besides harp on people who believe in talking snakes and boats that save entire species.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 02:59 PM
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The main point here is pretty weak. It doesn't really address anything except make an argument from popular opinion (I.e.: that 80% of women aren't feminists). Fundamentally it doesn't address the possibility that 80% of people could be bigots - which I don't agree with, obviously, but intellectually this post doesn't make any point.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 02:53 PM
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Jokes are jokes, dammit. This isn't a confession, it's a one-liner.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 02:37 PM
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Honestly, I think it's your approach. If you call attention to what you're doing and let them know they can ask you to stop, people will assume you're a seasoned pro and be OK with it. When I taught adult swimming lessons I had the same basic approach, and asked for permission every time I had to touch them to fix their technique. Nobody ever said no or seemed uncomfortable. Once you establish that you won't even touch their forearm without it being clear what your goals are people chill out and…
/r/MensRights09/06/13 02:36 PM
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Now in all honesty I will not do anything about it, Then stop expecting anything to change.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 05:30 AM
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You've gone into none of them. They are indeed simple answers. Extremely simple, because they don't bother to take into account the complexity of life, human nature, or basic economics. You don't need an FAQ, you need to spend 15 minutes reading about what kind of horrible things happen when everything is up for the lowest bidder and there is no oversight.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 03:12 AM
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"Some rules are bad" is not justification to throw all rules to the wolves. You really don't seem to understand what happens when the free market is completely in control. Your walls would be full of asbestos, your children's toys would be full of lead paint, your food would be riddled with bacteria, and you would be instantly fired if you became pregnant or sick or old. There is no way to decide after an earthquake that oh yeah, the guys who built my house used wood that was improperly graded b…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:33 PM
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Fundamentally, yes, imposing taxes is "theft". But it prevents so many bad things from happening that your without it there would be nothing to protect. And for all your complaints about the current state of affairs, it would get worse with no regulation. If you think that the private market would lead to better bridges and safer food, you don't know the private market.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 03:17 PM
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Yeah, and every rule that exists to reign in short-term shortcuts with long-term consequences would cease to exist. Anybody who understands any given industry understands why regulation is in everyone's best interest.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 02:15 PM
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This basically takes "laws should be simpler" to its logical extreme. Just because you think the Tax Code is too complex doesn't mean regulation on air pollution, food, buildings, etc. are all evil. And to that end, most Anarchists and Voluntaryists will tell you "murder, theft, pollution on someone else's property". OK, but let's also accept that degrees of this should also be illegal - harming someone is still wrong if it doesn't cause murder, for example. This necessarily includes things like…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 02:38 AM
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A "shit test" refers to someone (usually a woman in the context of dating, but it happens in sports too) doing something shitty in order to test you. It could be a woman acting rude to you to see if you are submissive and fawn all over her anyway (the "correct" thing to do to pass the test would be to not take her shit and walk away or call her on it, putting her in the position of running after you now that she sees you have a backbone and self-respect), or pro athletes celebrating in front of …
/r/MensRights30/05/13 12:42 AM
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Who enforces the laws then? And don't say something like "everybody," because that just basically means everybody is would what the government is now.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 12:01 AM
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Don't confuse TED with TEDx. TEDx is in no way affiliated and, whatever you think of TED, TEDx has less standards and is less consistent.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 11:59 PM
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A little hyperbolic, don't you think? Even a sham "trial" and expulsion is infinitely better than being stoned to death for being a heretic or whatever.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 05:37 PM
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This kind of thing is more misogynist than anything I've ever seen feminism rage against. This woman obviously thinks women are unable to decide things for themselves and lack the ability to speak their mind. This sign implies that it is a man's job to think for the woman, and that even after she gives consent it is up to him to decide if she's thinking clearly enough to mean it. This is how I treat children; they think they want something but haven't thought it through, so it's a grown-up's job…
/r/MensRights24/05/13 03:52 PM
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I care about equal rights. There are issues women need help on; I think most of them receive plenty of attention in civilized countries. There are also men's issues, which are pretty much ignored or even purposely censored because to talk about them is somehow perceived as misogyny. I will never respect someone who takes "men are also victims of violence/sexual assault and should not be swept under the rug whether you think they're 10%, 30% or roughly 50% of victims" or "men get shafted in custo…
/r/MensRights16/05/13 04:09 PM
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I babysat once. My male instincts took over. The mother was not amused to come home to her kids having a camp out in the hide of a freshly killed moose, barbecuing cubes of flesh over a campfire in the back yard. I just couldn't help it; my father instincts took over.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 04:07 PM
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Could we not become SRSMen please? Idiots on the internet exist. If you want to see what dumb people say, subscribe to /r/subredditdrama and /r/srssucks .
/r/MensRights16/05/13 01:18 PM
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People who think dying is less of an issue than being excluded from something due to physical expectations are showing just how little they give a fuck about male life.
/r/MensRights11/05/13 07:14 PM
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Take everything you've said and remove gender and you have a pretty good point. Rape is not unikely perpetrated by males or only on females. It's important that people be taught to ask their partner if they want to take things further. It's also important that people be taught to say no rather than go along with something they don't want to do out of shame or nervousness or whatever. If nobody asks and nobody says anything, it's just some kind of weird fucked up situation where there was no cons…
/r/MensRights04/05/13 04:55 PM
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Everybody's arguing about sex And I'm just sitting here masturbating
/r/MensRights04/05/13 04:42 PM
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I don't think that the average person's attitude is as much that male victims don't matter, but rather a lack of understanding of how many male victims there are. That's one of the main reasons I have a knee-jerk reaction against violence against women events: they claim inflated numbers for female victims ("1 in 3 women are raped," "1 in X women are victims of violence", etc.) and ignore male victims entirely. I think most decent human beings would look at a battered man and think it's a damn s…
/r/MensRights27/04/13 05:22 PM
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I have literally never seen anyone chased out of here because of who they are. What they say, perhaps, but even then only if they deliberately obstruct intelligent conversation (i.e.: responding with feminist talking points rather than responding to what was actually said). Whereas SRS thinks your opinion is worth less for every item on the checklist you don't qualify for ("your opinion is not valid because you're a straight white male"), I think here people genuinely value contributions from pe…
/r/MensRights27/04/13 05:12 PM
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Stories like this make me really fucking glad I had no game until I was about 19 and no longer knew any high school girls.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 03:05 PM
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Sorry to be a party pooper, but this joke only furthers the wage gap myth. Whether people find it funny or not, it's going to cement in people's brains that Mad Men-era sexism is still around and that women earn 70-something cents on the dollar.
/r/MensRights10/04/13 02:44 AM
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... Yeah, because that justifies everything that could ever be done in the name of feminism.
/r/MensRights08/04/13 10:39 PM
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Look up girlwriteswhat's series of YouTube videos on LPS. She singlehandedly confined me men have basically zero reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights08/04/13 09:24 PM
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Yes. The logic that it is still best for the child to receive support is used to justify things like that, as well as forcing people to pay for kids that aren't theirs if they've acted as the father in any way (I.e.: a stepdad).
/r/MensRights08/04/13 12:17 PM
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It's obviously an anecdotal example, but there's a scholarship at a university here for academically-excellent Jewish women. One year there was so much more money than applicants that a friend of a friend who was on academic probation got the free ride (I know because she bragged about it while complaining about how hard it is being on academic probation, i.e.: needing a GPA above 2.00 that semester to not get kicked out). I'm sure there were thousands of people who were not both Jewish and fema…
/r/MensRights07/04/13 01:43 PM
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"one struggle, one fight, something something people unite" /protests a group whose mission is gender equality yep
/r/MensRights05/04/13 04:03 PM
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Would you be proud of a male relative/friend/whatever who was with a different guy/girl every week? I don't think someone else's sexuality is something to be proud of. People might say "my son/daughter is such a catch, you should see how often boys/girls call him/her". But they won't say "fuck yeah my 15 year old son has had 4 girlfriends this month".
/r/MensRights05/04/13 03:32 AM
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I'm not supportive of heirarchizing any form of oppression Then don't. You've said in a few places that women are more victims of X or Y than men, or in this comment thread in particular you said that the primary focus is on women because of historical disempowerment despite admitting that men have also been forced into damaging and limiting roles. It's why I specifically said that men and women have been differently off: there's no way to compare being locked in an igloo chewing seal pelts to m…
/r/MensRights05/04/13 02:53 AM
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Does acknowledging that women are affected disproportionately mean that male victims are any less justified in their pain? Again, not to nitpick: don't accept as dogma that women are affected disproportionately. If the same standards were applied to women as to men, there wouldn't be much (or any?) difference. This thread from today is the most recent example of how different standards lead to the perception that women don't rape but men do: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1bnxru/the…
/r/MensRights04/04/13 08:09 PM
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Ahh, gotcha. Thanks.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 07:30 PM
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Could you explain what this means? I just see someone who's a mod of 50000 subreddits, not sure what you mean by honorary or what effect that has on the accusations.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 07:05 PM
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I think the primary focus on women is because of historical disempowerment of women, however, men have also been forced into damaging and limiting roles. You say this as if disempowerment of women is somehow more deserving of focus or fixing than men being forced into damaging and limiting roles. Women have historically been disempowered. I don't contest that. But men have not been any better off. They were simply differently badly off.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 07:00 PM
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First off, let me say that I recognize that every group has idiots. "Feminism" is an absolutely vast term, to the point that I don't like using it unless I have to. There are people, presumably like you, who believe that feminism is about equality, and is simply a term originating in the women's liberation movement but which now includes everyone from men to women to disabled to queer rights. But then you also have people declaring themselves to be feminists who believe that 90% of males should …
/r/MensRights04/04/13 06:45 PM
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our government won't let them fuck this capitalist government intervention
/r/MensRights04/04/13 06:26 PM
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The most annoying hypocrisy here is that when things get marketed at women, it's insulting or demeaning towards women, but when things get marketed at men, it's insulting or demeaning... towards women. "Men + care" soap exists because men don't usually think of skin care because most skin care soaps smell like things men don't want to smell like and this one wants to say HEY DUDE YOU MIGHT LIKE THIS SOAP, not because Dove has some sort of deep-rooted assumption that only women should have to car…
/r/MensRights02/04/13 07:43 PM
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I think it make sense to overpay for what's rare though, especially given the current pressures to be inclusive even if it means artificially so. Women stand out in the field of applicants, I'm tempted to say they have better social skills, etc. It makes sense that anuthingt that helps you stand out would get you a 2nd look to prove you're worth hiring. I was just listening to a sports radio show where this call-in guest was a Korean-Black-Irish woman. She got a free ride through college because…
/r/MensRights31/03/13 03:13 PM
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Design issue: magnets have a north and a south pole. North-north and south-south connections are repulsive and north-south connections being necessary is heteronormative and offensive. Also nobody actually knows how magnets work, so they might actually have tiny penises and vaginas that interlock.
/r/MensRights31/03/13 06:58 AM
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2031357/gender-gap-in-tech-salaries-its-all-gone-dice-reports.html Someone posted a very in-depth post a way back, but I can't find it. This article says that men and women have the same salaries in the same roles. Keep in mind any source which compares different levels of work or different jobs entirely lacks credibility (i.e.: comparing managers to entry-level positions misses out on all kinds of things, and comparing secretaries to miners is just plain dumb - a …
/r/MensRights31/03/13 04:48 AM
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Fair enough, I guess I misunderstood what your post was aimed at. I'll leave it as a general rebuttal to people who complain women are pushed out. I really think that at this point any inclination away from technical fields has very little to do with the state of the field itself. Maybe people need to work on giving girls the choice to play with toy trucks or let them play in the mud or fight harder to help teenagers do what they want to do despite peer pressure, but from my experience (and my f…
/r/MensRights30/03/13 06:53 PM
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It can be hard to speak up no matter who you are. A valid complaint at a conference full of educated people should be taken seriously. A secret girls' club will accomplish nothing because nobody who isn't in the girls' club will know what happened, and it does nothing except further reinforce any pre-existing stereotypes that some people might have about women's ability to perform. Suppose you're a dude who doesn't have a problem working with women, but you'd like to learn more about what they f…
/r/MensRights30/03/13 06:45 PM
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I don't know about this one in particular, but I know in engineering there are a lot of mentorship programs that basically just involve meeting with someone who's been on the job market for a few years and going to lunch or shooting the shit, addressing any concerns you have, etc. They can be a good way for students who don't really have any idea what the real world is like to get an idea of what exists after graduation. Now, this could be insidious, but it isn't necessarily.
/r/MensRights30/03/13 06:42 PM
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Idea: insead of male-female cable/USB sockets, I'm going to market neutral-neutral (flat) connections. When people complain that everything is getting short-circuited because they plugged the wrong ends together, I will sue for discrimination.
/r/MensRights30/03/13 06:40 PM
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You're speaking as if a woman who would've been a programmer instead chooses to become a stripper or drug dealer. I think it's a fair assumption that, even if gender pushed her away, that she would do something similarly useful to society. Maybe as a health care professional or teacher, for instance.
/r/MensRights30/03/13 06:38 PM
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Women in computer science get hired faster, at a higher starting salary, and have no issues being taken seriously. In fact they're guaranteed to stand out better in a field of applicants simply because they aren't a man. In every professional environment there are politics, good and bad employees, good and bad bosses, etc. The issues arise when a woman attributes getting screwed to what's between her legs and not to the fact that EVERYBODY eventually will get a bad boss, passed over for a promot…
/r/MensRights30/03/13 06:34 PM
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If we let her know in a respectful way she might just realize the hypocrisy of the situation. And if she doesn't at least the good guys will have taken the high road and not given her ammunition. Not being respectful just makes her a martyr the same way it did Anita Sarkeesian.
/r/MensRights30/03/13 06:29 PM
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Never trust a human who can fuck you over Fixed this for you. Sexist shit like this is why so many people think this is a hate group.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:37 AM
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He is a better man then me, I would ruin her but he always says that no matter how much he loathes her, she is still the mother of his children and does not want to ruin her for the kids' sake. I personally think she is exploiting the hell out of this philosophy. Fuck. This is the problem. Your brother is refusing to defend himself while under all-out assault. You need to get him to realize that growing up with a fraudster and a crook is not good for the children even if the crook is their mom. …
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:34 AM
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It's not really that all women are bad so much as a significant chunk of humans are shitty, deceptive about their intentions (or they only really fuck you over once they realize how easy it is), and in a lot of situations a man is powerless to stop himself from being fucked over by a woman. If dudes could get pregnant, claim abuse, get custody and free money forever the second they got bored in a marriage, they'd do it too. People are shitty. The point, for me anyway, is that there is no other l…
/r/MensRights28/03/13 05:31 AM
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Good on you. Too many guys would've been sucked back in. If she's willing to be this deceptive on such a huge issue and announce her plans to leech you for every penny, she's going to do worse to the poor fuck who ends up putting up with her.
/r/MensRights27/03/13 04:31 PM
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I agree, but to play devil's advocate, how else could child abusers be jailed? If someone molests your kid in a room with nobody else, what kind of proof would there be unless the kid reports it immediately? Child abuse is a shitty crime, and while it's scary and wrong that people can be thrown in jail based on testimony, I don't know what the alternative is. Lie detector tests? Psychiatric evaluations? I don't want innocent people thrown in jail, but I also don't want the real fucks getting awa…
/r/MensRights27/03/13 04:23 PM
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Again, my comment was not directed at the majority of feminists, only at the type that starts a riot when Warren Farrell tries to say "hey, nobody gives a damn when men are considered disposable, we need to talk about this" or thinks that it doesn't matter how many men live in shit holes if the top 1% is mostly male (relevant article on the Apex Fallacy). My point is that the crazies use the umbrella of "feminism", that there are a lot of them, and that we need to be careful not to automatically…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 10:55 PM
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I'm not talking about the majority, but I'm also not talking about a tiny minority. One can note that rape is a frequently covered-up and under reported crime that tends to affect women disproportionately without thinking men need to be money farms. Sure, you could assume this, but only if you're willing to ignore prison rape, define rape by a woman as something else (i.e.: "sexual assault"), or flat-out ignore it in countries like the Congo where rape is simply a form of warfare and men are rap…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 10:49 PM
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Feminism isn't shouldn't be about forcing Fixed this for you. I understand this is probably what it is for you, but there needs to be a disctinction between feminists whose goal is equality and feminists whose goal is to label men as rapey patriarchical oppressors who should be relegated to money-suppliers. To be clear: I'm not accusing you of anything. I just don't like how people throw all kinds of shit under the umbrella of "feminism" and get away with it. People like you who believe in equal…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:24 PM
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Dangerous/harsh working conditions traditionally were the man's role. We evolved as a species for men to be the front line and absorb as much damage as possible before a woman or child is harmed. Outdoor work used to be a lot more dangerous than cooking and cleaning (and still is, although less so), so it's the man's job. If there are 20 hours a week of house work to do (made up figure for argument's sake, it's probably more) and the man is going to do 5 of them, he's going to default to the 5 m…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:19 PM
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Why not? Equality means everybody can do every role in the family. One of the happiest couples I know (they've been together since they were 12, they're 25-26 now) made the decision that the girl would become a lawyer and the dude would become an electrician for a school board so he can be home in time for the kids. He cooks like a bawss and makes his own smoked meat and doesn't afraid of anything. Now, obviously, knowing /r/feminism this may have been used nefariously, i.e.: to suggest men shou…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:11 PM
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No, I think you're borderline paranoid for being unable to see a poster about being careful without assuming it's feminist.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 10:03 PM
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Your opinion is entirely detached from reality. Sorry dude, there is nothing that could've been written here that you wouldn't have assumed was a feminist conspiracy.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:10 PM
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Do MRA's not oppose gender inequity and double standards? Does the intervention in ANY way imply that only men rape? You're seeing what you want to see. If I asked you to write a sexual assault awareness poster from the MRM's point of view, it should look exactly like this. There is nothing the least bit biased about it.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 08:33 PM
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I see no mention of rape culture, double standard, or any other inferred ideology. Telling teenagers/young adults to be careful but also that they shouldn't feel shame is not wrong.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:41 PM
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My point is that you're wrong to imply this is "feminism". You're seeing an ideology where, for all we know, the poster could've been written by MRA's. There is nothing wrong with its content.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 07:08 PM
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A little paranoid, are we? If they say everything right what tells you it's biased or in any way from a group with the motives you're assuming?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 04:46 PM
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It's sadly rare to see people aware that "don't blame the victim" doesn't mean you can't gtfo where there is "risk of assault". This poster is triple-right: no gender, no victim blaming, encouraging people to be safe.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 10:15 PM
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Yeah seriously. I don't see anything she couldn't have done using Wikipedia and by hiring a few 12 year olds to report on the plots of games. By being so specific she left out zillions of counter examples too. In the Donkey Kong Country series (SNES), the first game (DKC) revolves around Donkey Kong trying to save his bananas. Then in DKC 2, he gets kidnapped and his sidekick (Diddy Kong) and a female cousin have to save him. In DKC 3 I think Donkey and Diddy both get kidnapped (or something), l…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 04:09 PM
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I try and I try but this privilege of dying 500 times to save the princess just won't go away.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:12 AM
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Something something stop mansplaining something something men doing stuff to other men /s Nothing like a systematic, line-by-line dismantling.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 08:47 PM
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Full quote: The question that the law needs to answer -- but at times struggles to answer -- is at what point one person's intoxication is so severe that she (or he, in theory) is legally unable to give meaningful consent. The words "in theory" imply that rape of drunk males is theoretical, or that it needs to be protected by the law even though it doesn't happen. Does anyone know how to write a response to CNN or this guy in a way that will actually get read? I'm thinking something brief - simp…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:21 PM
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It's happened to me once or twice. I had horrible symptoms: my ego grew a size or two, I regained my mojo, and I got this goofy smile that simply would not go away. I had this horrible Stockholm-syndrome-like feeling of lack of animosity towards the woman which I assume is symptomatic of the matriarchy brainwashing me. p.s. I've been checked out by dudes too. I don't know what to do about this male on male violence since the feminists don't seem to think it's their problem. Please advise.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 05:13 AM
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And I unisaurr is making the equally valid point that this kind of crap doesn't speak for all of women either.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 05:11 AM
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Well then I don't understand your point because you made a statement with a question mark. Please explain your point better so I know what you're actually trying to get at. Are you saying she isn't making the case that the princess story is serious business rather than a cartoon version of chivalry? Or that she isn't ignoring the hundreds of fiery deaths the male protagonists go through to save the damsel?
/r/MensRights12/03/13 07:08 PM
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She's focusing solely on the idea that "saving the princess" is an over-used storyline which objectifies women. I'm saying that if you think the story of the Princess is so bad, what does it mean that two lowly plumbers never think twice about dying over and over again to save her? By only looking at one side of the story, you could make an equally persuasive (read: not very) argument that the whole damsel in distress meme actually treats women as superior, and that men should think nothing of e…
/r/MensRights12/03/13 06:06 PM
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Just to add to this, there ARE women heroes in games. Samus was badass, Princess Peach was in a bunch of games, and Dixie Kong was the best Kong in any game. But the majority of gamers were dudes, so the dudes get stories they can relate to. And the truth is no kid gives a damn what the "plot" of the game is. Nobody cares that Donkey Kong Country was about saving your bananas and DKC3 was about saving Donkey Kong. It's dishonest to act as if the Princess story is anything but a convenient excuse…
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:01 PM
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OK, but you aren't going to lose an arm or something. Sore wrists are a bitch, but not as bad as a wonky back from lifting stuff all day or actual serious injury.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 05:29 AM
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I'm not a miner or a massage therapist, but are you really saying that massage therapy is more physically challenging and more dangerous than mining?
/r/MensRights11/03/13 08:56 PM
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Warren Farrell himself has a personal example. His brother was working ski patrol with a female partner, and when there was something sketchy to check out it was usually the man who went to do it. One day his brother was caught in an avalanche that wasn't his fault and died. So by taking the first stab at solving dangerous problems because he was the man, the burden of accidental death ended up affecting him because he was the man. EDIT: I had the details slightly wrong, but the way it works is …
/r/MensRights11/03/13 07:53 PM
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Alternatively it becomes "women weren't allowed to have those jobs". Because the first thing feminism did is fight for women's rights to have their arms blown off in the mines but the evil men wouldn't let them. Yep.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 07:51 PM
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Really? I went straight to -3 and stayed there for the rest of the day, looks like I'm finally back in the black... I don't care about the points, I just hate it when discussion is silenced rather than addressed.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 03:17 PM
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They can handle a massive amount of pain during childbirth, but otherwise are more sensitive to conditions which might harm their baby/young kids.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:25 AM
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However, it has been a long, long time since we needed that mindset to thrive and survive. Exactly, but we've transformed our environment in the blink of an eye. Evolutionary psychology is going to take more than a couple hundred years to adapt. I have to wonder why the problems with men's gender roles have taken so much longer to be recognised, and even longer still to be acted on, than the problems with womens'. I think that a big part of this is exactly what I'm talking about. When a woman co…
/r/MensRights09/03/13 09:01 PM
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Male disposability is something we evolved. There's a reason men have stronger backs and bigger muscles than women, and there's a reason women are more sensitive to temperature or pain or conditions which need to be detected because they make a baby uncomfortable too. The tricky part is that now that we don't spend every waking minute avoiding death, we don't need to live in such a rigidly gender role structure. It's inarguably a good thing that women for women to no longer confined or limited (…
/r/MensRights09/03/13 08:05 PM
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Who the fuck knows? Confusion? Surprise? Fear? If someone mugged you and you hand your wallet over without a fight, it's still a mugging. Just because they didn't have to physically take it from you and might not even be able to beat you up doesn't change the fact that they were mugging you.
/r/MensRights05/03/13 06:00 AM
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Why? It's obviously not meant to be exactly the same kind of story, I specifically told you it was a more extreme example to illustrate the reason you're wrong. The example was over-the-top to show you that stopping your attempts to escape still don't mean you consent. Shit, I'll take it one further. Suppose you jump off a cliff to avoid being captured by the person following you, similar to a situation where a rape victim stops resisting and goes along with it. Is that person not guilty of anyt…
/r/MensRights05/03/13 05:04 AM
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Let me give you a batshit-crazy extreme example to show you why you're wrong. Suppose you're walking home one day and someone starts following you with a knife. You run, they run faster. You hide, they find you. They always stay 5 feet away, but no matter where you go or what you do, they follow you, and you can't get away. Finally you're exhausted and terrified, and you collapse into a heap. They approach you, but rather than even raise your hand to defend yourself, you no longer have the hope …
/r/MensRights04/03/13 11:10 PM
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Yeah, it was rape. Consent obtained by force is not consent. There's a difference between someone who initially didn't want to have sex saying "you have made a series of intellectual points and seduced me with your physical attractiveness. I now consent to fornication!" and a drunk person who simply can't fight off their assailant forever and gives in. Obtaining consent =/= wrestling someone into submission.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 11:07 PM
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I think you brought it up there... My point was that bringing up Planned Parenthood and the struggle for women's suffrage was a BS argument. But yeah, if you want to be as specific as earning the vote, I don't think it's questionable that there has never been as bloodless a revolution as the one which granted female suffrage. The French Revolution, American Civil War, revolutions overthrowing dictators all over the world, etc. are examples of how getting the right to vote isn't always so smooth …
/r/MensRights02/03/13 07:14 AM
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Outside of ancient Greece, which I'm not even sure counts because of the fact that travelling to Athens meant that only rich people could actually afford to vote, I can't think of a single democracy until, say, the French Revolution (late 1700s). So let's go through the math. Humanity evolved 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. For a little over 200 years of that we've had more than the exceptional democracy. That works out to 0.1% to 0.2% of human history. So you're right, my "weird generalisation" w…
/r/MensRights02/03/13 07:10 AM
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Knock yourself out The numbers are fairly similar between men and women, but to answer your question, roughly half of women support women being drafted.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 06:28 AM
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1 Sure. And everyone gets a magic beanstalk which gives them food and shelter. And free puppies. What an empty, vapid statement. Rights are either granted or taken, not some innate thing granted by a superpower. Wake up. You don't have a right on some spiritual eternal level if you don't have it for realsies in the country/jurisdiction/whatever where you are. 2: I didn't say that, because that would be a stupid fucking pissing contest. But I do take exception to people who pretend that throughou…
/r/MensRights02/03/13 06:21 AM
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She was very clearly ignoring the fact that for 99% of human history, men also have not had the right to vote. And that the right to vote for men almost always came with the right to be conscripted into the army, while for women it came with no additional responsibilities.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 06:17 AM
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Maybe if you took off your blinders you'd understand history is more complicated than men doing bad things to women.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 03:42 AM
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Men had to pay for the right to vote by overthrowing kings over hundreds of years and earning it through the draft. Women had to get pissed off and have a few protests. Remind me again who shed more blood trying to vote?
/r/MensRights02/03/13 01:11 AM
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Yeah, I get that, but at the same time if that's going to be the name of the bill you can't proclaim "but it's (technically) gender neutral!!!" when people complain about it. An extreme example would be a hypothetical "White Rights Act" which actually covers everybody's rights. People would (and should) flip the fuck out no matter how awesome the bill actually is.
/r/MensRights01/03/13 08:12 PM
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Push for it not as men, but as people. Isn't that the whole point of the law? If 75% of the people who support it turn out to be men, so be it, but don't offer that statistic or take it for granted. Every single non-hypocritical feminist who genuinely believes in equal rights should support it.
/r/MensRights01/03/13 08:09 PM
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I think this raises another issue, which is that services and protection are often thrown at women while men have to ask for them. If it's truly gender-neutral it should be called the "Violence Against People Act" and not use a misleading title which leads to skewed application. A similar thought occured to me when I was thinking about the "between two stops" service that is offered to women here. There are posters everywhere saying that women can ask to be dropped off in between bus stops when …
/r/MensRights01/03/13 07:25 PM
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Yeah, people have been put on death row with less evidence than that. This guy should turn around and sure the cops for not doing their job. The cops aren't supposed to decide what the courts are going to do. If he wants to press charges they have to do their job and not think about whether or not the charges are going to stick.
/r/MensRights01/03/13 05:56 PM
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Not enough evidence??? They have the whole goddamn thing on tape along with the fact that they were called to the scene. What the fuck is "enough evidence"?
/r/MensRights01/03/13 04:39 PM
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You're right, socio-economic status would be a much better basis for affirmative action. There's no sense punishing poor white guys and boosting rich (insert race/females here).
/r/MensRights23/02/13 05:12 PM
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Teaching your daughter not to cut off men's penises protects your son from exactly one potential assailant - your daughter. Teaching your son how not to get his penis cut off protects him infinitely more. Even if you take the analogy on its own terms, it breaks down and is illogical.
/r/MensRights21/02/13 03:04 AM
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Interesting read, thanks for the writeup!
/r/MensRights20/02/13 08:16 PM
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"Black people are identified by the Y chromosome and the existence of the penis and testicles, while Asians have two X chromosomes and vaginas" doesn't always work bro
/r/MensRights20/02/13 06:10 PM
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How do you figure? I don't know if you're right or wrong, I just don't know what your argument is.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 06:07 PM
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Whether it's malicious or not has nothing to do with whether or not it's effective. That said if you wash your junk properly hygiene is not an issue. Circumcision dates back to when people would wander the desert their whole life and didn't have warm showers with soap every day.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 06:06 PM
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Like most summaries of the MRM, she bases herself on a flawed assumption - that feminism "overshot". Any understanding of the MRM has to come with an understanding of the concept of male disposability, which has been the foundation of all societies since male monkeys started growing bigger and stronger than female monkeys. It isn't a new thing. And everything else in the article is a bullshit argument about how it doesn't matter if men are getting screwed as long as, overall, more men are in Con…
/r/MensRights20/02/13 06:00 PM
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If people are gong to post that consent with a BAC of 0.0001 is impossible, I'm going to make fun if it.
/r/MensRights19/02/13 02:43 AM
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bro thank you for giving me a safe place to work out my trauma <3
/r/MensRights18/02/13 08:43 PM
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Where this post gets it right is in non-blamingly encouraging safe behaviour. Where it gets it wrong should be fairly obvious: Legally a person cannot give consent for sexual acts while under the influence of any amount of alcohol Well, shit, I guess I date-raped myself that time that I had a beer (she didn't) and then initiated sex with my girlfriend. I should know that as a 215lb. male, a blood alcohol level of about one-fifth the legal limit makes me unable to form coherent thoughts.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 08:06 PM
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By Indian law?
/r/MensRights18/02/13 07:37 PM
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Really? You think that winning a fight should be illegal if you're a better fighter than the person you're fighting against? Obviously the fact that it's only one sentence in the whole article leaves out a lot of detail (which is maybe a story in itself), but challenging someone who won't leave you alone to a fight and then winning handily when they accept to fight is a whole different crime than just beating the shit out of someone for looking at you funny.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 04:20 AM
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Right, so it's not an uncalled for assault. It's whatever crime winning a fight is. I have no idea what that would be here let alone in India.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 04:26 PM
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I'm not a fan of confounding being a dick with crimes. Failing to apply the discipline of karate and spontaneous physical assault are not the same thing. Besides, if we want to go there, the guys were dicks too. That alone doesn't mean they deserved the beating, nor does it mean the girl belongs in jail depending on what actually happened.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 04:25 PM
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Oh well, I tried. Must be interesting going through life and only seeing black and white without any shades of grey.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 06:48 AM
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Though it shocked her, Amrita immediately challenged him. He soon came back with his friend and challenged her. To be fair this sentence seems to say that the men were more than willing to meet her challenge. We need more details, but "hey bro you wanna fight?" followed by the person you're talking to coming back with another dude and fighting seems like full consent to fight. If she just started wailing on them it's a whole other story.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 06:31 AM
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Why should those two statements mean the same thing? They are from two separate posts. Because this is how you rephrased his statement. HE said one was more important than the other. YOU then implied that he was saying the other "had nothing to do with" anything. Totally irrelevant. Totally relevant. It's called an example. Examples can be used to demonstrate things so that people who didn't understand a dense explanation might see it in action. You took the statement "A > B" to mean "B = 0", wh…
/r/MensRights17/02/13 06:27 AM
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The implication I took from it was that bureaucratic incompetence is more important than feministic pressures in both creating the situation, and letting it continue. Do you not understand how the worst "has nothing to do with" and "more important than" simply don't mean the same thing? It's fair to say food has more to do with obesity than exercise. That does not make "are you saying exercise has nothing to do with obesity?" a valid retort. You took his assertion of A being more of a factor tha…
/r/MensRights17/02/13 04:58 AM
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That claim was not made in any way, shape or form. Check your strawman at the door.
/r/MensRights16/02/13 09:54 PM
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I take it your issue is with statutory rape in general, which is a tricky subject. Statutory rape has to exist, but some places have stupid laws (i.e.: a 19 year old has sex with a 17-years-and-364-day-old and goes to jail, or someone has sex with someone who believably lied about their age and goes to jail for it). Maybe the age of consent should be 16 or 14 or have a set age gap (i.e.: 16 as the age of consent but it's not a crime if the age difference is less than 2 years and they're both ove…
/r/MensRights14/02/13 07:14 PM
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Fair enough, looks like we don't actually disagree about anything. And yeah, "men can stop rape" ideology is pretty much what got me into r/mr. It blows my mind the extent to which people will intentionally deprive women of the knowledge of how to protect themselves in order to blame men, increasing rape rates just to reinforce that men are rapey monsters. Unless people think their son is going to rape their daughter, teaching their son not to rape has sweet fuck all to do with their daughter's …
/r/MensRights13/02/13 05:45 PM
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Fuck it, raise hell. One thing you need to understand is that you have to be a model of professional conduct. It doesn't matter how many people try to provoke you, try to censor you, take down your posters, or anything else. Your conduct needs to be impeccable, or they will find one tiny fuckup and use it to bring you down. You don't get to shout obscenities if people shout them at you, you should never resort to anything that could possibly come across as insulting for the sake of insulting (ke…
/r/MensRights13/02/13 05:30 PM
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If you're going to go as far as saying most women consider themselves feminists, you have to realize that what they mean is that they want equality and really aren't malicious. It's not like most women invest lots of energy into being "feminists". The problem is not the housewife who hates that people judge female politicians based on looks, it's the militant nutjob who thinks it's impossible for a man to get raped and pressures the government to make sure there's no such thing as battered men's…
/r/MensRights13/02/13 05:22 PM
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I don't think you can complain both ways. Either objectification is always wrong or it's OK as long as it's within reason and the person being objectified is cool with it. Many feminists argue that it's OK to objectify men but not women (which is obviously bullshit), and it's too bad that this particular thread seems to have devolved into "well they complain about it, so we should too." I'm of the opinion that if you objectify yourself, you're fair game. I don't feel bad for underwear models of …
/r/MensRights12/02/13 07:09 PM
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Yes, because Ellen never objectifies women. I'm disappointed that this kind of thing is becoming more and more common on this subreddit. I'm sure this guy was warned, and he easily could've said no. He never for a second seemed to actually be awkward about it, he just sort of playfully hesitated for a second to let the girls in the audience go wild.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 07:06 PM
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Can we not say this is "women" blaming a victim? It's no better to make all women responsible for this bullshit article than it is when feminists cherry pick an asshole's actions and say it's representative of all men. EDIT: downvotes? Really? C'mon r/mr, I expected better. This title is sexist, plain and simple. Unless you think "the lesbian mafia" is actually representative of all women.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 02:55 PM
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Yeah, I agree. My point was never that people should be presumed guilty. Because it's apparently impossible to talk about this in context without people flipping out, I'll try to be more general: you cannot outright reject a claim simply because it has a 70% chance of being false, but investigating it does not mean you're assuming it is true.
/r/MensRights07/02/13 04:53 AM
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Much better, I think there's really only one way to interpret it, and it's positive. It might not be as good at indicating how much worse men have it than women, but without the luxury of space to explain I can't think of a better way to compare without seeming like the end result should be a bigger share of women dying.
/r/MensRights07/02/13 04:50 AM
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Correct, if superfluous. I never said anything indicating the contrary.
/r/MensRights07/02/13 04:45 AM
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Your original post dismisses the seriousness of domestic violence as "dwarfed" by false accusations as well as admitting you basically never take complaints of domestic violence seriously. Maybe you just suck at expressing yourself, but "you're probably full of shit, false accusations dwarf real ones" is not an appropriate response to someone saying their partner beats them.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 06:55 PM
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You are defending a 70% false report rate as acceptable No I'm not. I never said anywhere that men who are falsely accused should be thrown in jail or that women who falsely accuse should be protected. You're projecting. and then blame me for being doubtful on whether or not claims are true. By all means, don't make a snap judgment. But that also means not calling bullshit immediately. You seem to exist in a binary plane of thought, where either you throw all men in jail or question the accusati…
/r/MensRights06/02/13 06:45 PM
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Which means you call bullshit on the 30% that is legitimately complaining of domestic violence. Good for you.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 06:40 PM
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Yes, I understand that, and domestic violence law is one of the things that got me interested in this subreddit. But it's not OK to automatically call bullshit on all women who claim to be abused.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 06:39 PM
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You're saying you don't take anyone seriously because of what you think is the much higher volume of false accusations. Either cite a statistic justifying that such a high proportion of domestic violence accusations are false or stop saying victims shouldn't be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 05:56 PM
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What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you denying that domestic violence exists, and saying that victims should be told to fuck off in case they're con artists? You're just as radical as the women who claim men should be thrown in jail on accusations without proof. Wake up. Real victims exist. The hard part is taking victims seriously without ruining the lives of the falsely accused. To only give importance to one group of people is ignorant, hateful and stupid.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 05:52 PM
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This sort of sounds like "let's make women commit more suicide". I think it should be rephrased along the lines of men needing help, not changing the statistic because 79% is too high. Maybe something like "79% of suicides are committed by men. Learn what you can do to help men at ..."? I don't think "Let's change that" is a slogan you can put on every statistic, because when it's a comparative one like this (male suicides vs. female suicides) it's very open to misunderstanding. You could also m…
/r/MensRights06/02/13 05:49 PM
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Unless you have a statistic on this, you should never confuse fighting the bullshit artists with taking domestic violence seriously.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 05:47 PM
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Exactly. And 20 years later, this figure is dogma. If you ask for a source you get ignored/labelled a hater/whatever, meanwhile those figures are being used to justify everything from labelling all men to potential rapists to denying the importance of punishing false rape accusations to ignoring violence (sexual or physical) against men. You can learn a lot about propaganda from watching feminists, really. It's amazing how a bullshit statistic becomes gospel upon which their war is waged, and th…
/r/MensRights06/02/13 05:41 PM
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Off the top of my head (I will look for the youtube video where this was discussed and edit it in): The study that concluded 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted had many methodological flaws. These included the following: Subjects were recruited exclusively on college campuses, and were told the subject beforehand. It's a poor way of collecting a sample, and likely contributes to a biased set of subjects. Women and men were given different questionnaires. Men were asked about predatory behav…
/r/MensRights06/02/13 04:28 AM
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You really think rape is considered OK in Africa? The rate of murder is also a lot higher, is murder OK too? Something happening and something being socially acceptable are not the same thing at all. Rape is not OK anywhere. Rape in Africa is often done as a form of warfare, and men are also systematically raped as a form of humiliation.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 04:22 AM
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Let's be more specific, then, instead of going around in circles. On what issues do you consider women's rights need to be addressed? Do you think that society systematically discriminates or oppresses women and/or that men have more advantages than women?
/r/MensRights06/02/13 04:20 AM
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The two don't necessarily negate each other. It's a dumb ad, which objectifies women (though I wouldn't say it does it particularly offensively, given that car show babes are a real job that women apply for and do) and portrays men as being totally deserving of an assault that would probably kill them for getting a car window dirty.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 11:58 PM
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How about "Why do you feel like the decision to send men into battle should be taken any more lightly than the decision to send women?"
/r/MensRights04/02/13 09:54 PM
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He'd have to be wearing a biohazard suit to leave nothing behind. Though it might get dicy if he was helping her into bed and stuff - they could find fibres from his clothes on her pants, for example, if he lifted her legs into bed. Either way it could only help his case if he gets everything on the record and is the one pushing for a real investigation to clear his name. It would be harmful if the girl waits 3 weeks until no evidence could clear his name and then it becomes a he-said, she-said …
/r/MensRights04/02/13 09:27 PM
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You should call them up and let them know that it's too bad they only include women, because you're also against violence and would've loved to feel welcome in their group.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 07:53 PM
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Domestic violence policy. In most Western countries, even if the man calls the police and is bleeding when the cops arrive, he's the one getting arrested. EDIT: and male disposibility. To sum it up in one sentence, it's the idea that if there is danger or dying, it's the man's job to suck it up and be exposed to it before any woman, whether or not he has any desire or reason to do it. If you want more about it, girlwriteswhat has a typically excellent video on it.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 03:46 PM
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I'm happy to see her raising hell over this. Any time a man does it, he isn't taken seriously and asked if he's only worried he won't get away with sexual assault.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 02:53 PM
1

Fair enough, my point wasn't to give trafficking any kind of scale but rather to say we should focus on the actual crimes in the sex industry rather than harass people who work in it voluntarily.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 01:59 PM
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Find me a country without idiots and I'll find you an imaginary country.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 10:14 PM
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How is this a mens' rights issue? If anything it's about a woman's right to objectify herself or not. If a woman wants to strip to pay the bills, great. We need to crack down on human smuggling and forcing people into this kind of job, not making the job itself illegal.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 09:47 PM
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You don't think political power can be directed towards results that work? "Results that work" by some twisted standard, yes, but they "work" nonetheless. Arresting the male in every domestic violence dispute no matter who has the knife in their chest is a good example.
/r/MensRights22/01/13 06:50 AM
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Well no, you choose the term when you declare that you feel you belong to the same gender as your body. People who declare they don't get labelled "transgender" in exactly the same way.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 04:52 PM
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Not really, it's just supposed to be a term to group people. If you're doing an experiment and you have to break your population up according to characteristics, all those characteristics need names. It doesn't mean any term is better than another.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 07:27 AM
5

Maybe on SRS, but it's not what the word means. Kinda like how white supremacists might use the word "non-white" as an insult.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 07:26 AM
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I don't speak for all MRA's, but why the hell not? If anything, voices like yours are probably more valuable because you will bring insight that many of us have never heard from. I'd love to hear what specific anecdotes have made you curious about this subreddit or the MRM in general, if you'd like to share. EDIT: also if you don't know about how Reddit adjusts upvotes to avoid bots, you should know that up and downvotes are automatically added to threads that gain a lot of attention (while keep…
/r/MensRights21/01/13 07:21 AM
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To my knowledge it hasn't been researched in any meaningful way, but given other facts (namely that men are conditioned not to complain, not taken seriously when they do, etc.) it seems reasonable. Unless lesbians are somehow more violent than any other orientation/gender, which seems unlikely.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 07:19 AM
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Yes, though it's likely due simply to the higher likelihood of females reporting violence.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 12:14 AM
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I've seen this before, and it just occurred to me that for the gay couple, "I" becomes "we". As if not having sex when he doesn't want to is a "we" thing, but when she doesn't want it it's an "I" thing. Sometimes it really infuriates me how the supposedly pro-female camp seems to objectify women more than the biggest misogynist around. Even when they portray victims of horrible things, the female is depicted as unable to make any decision or take any action but the male victim somehow shares res…
/r/MensRights19/01/13 09:46 PM
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Do you think that if a feminist came in here with an actual fact, which was well-researched and solid, which disproved some component of what we take for granted, we would blindly downvote it to oblivion? I certainly hope not.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 08:14 PM
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Of course they can set the rules, but those particular rules only serve to announce to the rest of the world just how open to discussion and facts they are.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 08:13 PM
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I live in Quebec, and though it hasn't gotten much buzz, it's been in and out of the headlines for years now. Generally I at least get the impression that people think she's a greedy money-grubber, but I guess if she wins in court that won't matter.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 07:22 PM
3

Except that guys don't earn more for the same work, and girls are not 40 times weaker.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 07:31 AM
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I'm tempted to agree with you, but just look how invalidated research has led to stuff like "1 in 4 women are raped" being accepted as holy dogma. It'll be fun to win internet slapfights but I don't know if it does good in the long-term.
/r/MensRights18/01/13 07:54 PM
2

Call anyway. If they're human they will help or send you to people who can.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 07:19 PM
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You're making the erroneous assumption that I label myself a MRA. I'm here because you basically only hear the feminist narrative in real life, and I want to remain informed about the very real issues men face. I don't call myself anything. Where there's inequality, I feel there shouldn't be. In some ways women get the short end of the stick, and in other ways men do. I think the argument about who gets it worse is stupid and irrelevant and only serves as a distraction where people could get mor…
/r/MensRights14/01/13 08:59 PM
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Females DO have to deal with problems that they shouldn't have to, and that men are less likely to have to deal with, or don't have to deal with all together. Men are ALSO discriminated against, and in more ways than most people, even men sometimes, realize. May I ask, then, why you call yourself a feminist? My objection to the term has always been that, even if you're the most pro-equality person in the world (your heart certainly seems to be in the right place), there's something absurd about …
/r/MensRights14/01/13 05:52 AM
5

COLBY comments What is this COLBY you speak of?
/r/MensRights09/01/13 06:23 PM
1

That's still weird, but at least it didn't single any one out I guess. And I'd bet money nobody was going to do something violent but then stopped and said "no! I signed!".
/r/MensRights04/01/13 05:05 PM
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Entirely possible, I pulled the number out of my ass. But then you get into defining the word feminist and so on. As far as I know there are different branches in feminism and some of them hate each other too, so who knows.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 03:49 AM
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Aha. Wasnt sure if you were a brigadier or sarcastic.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 02:52 AM
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Yeah, I'd refuse for the same reason. I don't need to promise anything to anyone if they're basing their demand on some bullshit assumption that I am a monster until proven otherwise.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 02:51 AM
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I don't live on reddit. What would the verdict have been though? Please, entertain me.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 02:49 AM
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I had a similar experience when, at 17, my school allowed a feminist group to set up a table in a central location to berate men to sign a pledge against violence against women. The script went something like "you! Are you against violence against women? Sign this to promise you will never do anything to hurt a woman." I answered "I don't have to sign a petition to prove that I won't beat a woman. It goes without saying." and was pretty roundly harrassed by them and given funny looks by a few pa…
/r/MensRights03/01/13 10:03 PM
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There are idiots in every subreddit. There is still a highly valuable portion of the threads and comments that I find stimulating. No group in the history of the universe is completely devoid of morons. If you want to unsubscribe, obviously I won't stop you, but it's my own experience that a pretty good amount of the higher-upvoted threads are worth reading.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 09:59 PM
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If you're talking about the study that "proved" 1 in 4 women were victims of sexual assault 20+ years ago, there were countless flaws with its methodology. The most screamingly obvious were that many things which don't actually imply sexual assault in any way (i.e.: "did you have sex with a man because he bought you alcohol?" doesn't have anything to do with consent - if a man buys a woman champagne and she says "gee, he's a nice guy and we had a fun time, I want to have sex with him," and then …
/r/MensRights03/01/13 09:55 PM
1

You wouldn't have any of your assets of not for the system you claim I'd robbing you.
/r/MensRights01/01/13 05:06 PM
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Or rob people.
/r/MensRights01/01/13 04:58 PM
3

The state should let people starve to death? Yeah, that sounds much better than fixing the system.
/r/MensRights01/01/13 06:58 AM
2

There is nothing about this photo that is gender-biased in any way. Sorry, this doesn't belong in this subreddit and it's petty and simplistic. If you want to have a serious debate about child support and the way men are often disadvantaged, this is not the way to start it.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 11:36 PM
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If you define a ho as "shitty women that you should not prioritize over your friends", then broes before hoes is absolutely meaningless because it's implied in the definition of ho. Before you ask how far the stick up my butt is, I went to the school of hard knocks and majored in hip hop grammarology.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 06:13 AM
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As long as there's some sort of anti-brigade rule. It's easy enough to just delete the "np." in the URL if you really have something to say, I just don't want the subreddit to become a personal army.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 02:34 AM
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/r/subredditdrama just implemented a rule that all links to reddit have to "no participation" links (www.reddit.com/something becomes WWW.np.reddit.com/something) so that voting and commenting is disabled. It seems to work pretty well to stop brigading. Edit: I'm on my phone, so sorry for the sloppy formatting, but here's the SrD modpost: http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/14xivv/announcement_a_new_rule_to_discourage_invasion/
/r/MensRights20/12/12 06:05 PM
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Nevermind that Brevik's mom abused him his whole life, sexualized him at the age of 4, and that the father lost his attempt at custody for no reason other than default going to the mother. It's because he was white and had a penis.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 06:36 AM
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I insta-edited. Thanks for your bullshit hostility though.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 08:43 PM
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By generalising you are every bit as bad as they are. Don't use any group's dickwads to judge the whole group. Edit: I see from further comments I got whoosh'd. Up vote restored, leaving my comment for others who may be tempted to take the low road.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 08:23 PM
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What the fuck is wrong with your lawyer? Do you not have an income tax report or something that shows your income? Failing that maybe you could produce receipts for the amount you've been paid for your web design (i.e.: to prove that you get a few hundred, not a few thousand, per job).
/r/MensRights08/12/12 09:21 PM
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