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| 3 | What advice can you guys give on attracting girls in college, especially when they make it so difficult?And how does any of that lead to romantic or sexual relations? In practice. | /r/seduction | 11/03/19 09:22 PM |
| 1 | How should a guy go about obtaining casual sex/short term/ONS relationships?Sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 01:52 PM |
| 1 | How should a guy go about obtaining casual sex/short term/ONS relationships?I'm not sure what's misunderstood, I never contested the proposal of going into dive bars or using drugs and alcohol as a tool in that endeavor, I'm only addressing the last paragraph in the original post. Girls are more into guys who seem like they’re having fun vs guys who are only there to have sex. Which are not mutually exclusive. You can be there pretty much only to have sex, heck, for a lot of people that's the only thing the copious alcohol and seedy atmosphere are worth to begin with, u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 01:48 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: Would you be attracted to a high value guy who used to be a loser?That chip is potentially doing someone the favor of avoiding entanglement with someone that only cares about what he does rather than how he is, how he speaks instead of what he has to say, and his circumstantial status, achievements and superficial qualities, because that reflects on her own vanity and serves as a predictor that she's going to ditch the boat as soon as any of those aspects fade. But then again, AWALT, so it's either accepting that or celibacy, so in a sense you are right ( For … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 01:26 PM |
| 1 | How should a guy go about obtaining casual sex/short term/ONS relationships?Doing coke and going to a dive bar are not on par with pursuing a hobby It's not a comparison, but it follows a similar principle. One is more tailored for dating/FWB type of deals ( And not necessarily anything serious, especially when given to people at the 18-24 age range ) and the other is for an ONS atmosphere, yet both share the premise of trying to mitigate 'desperation' or the like by detaching yourself from an 'objective' of having casual sex in some way, which isn't wrong by itself, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 01:05 PM |
| 1 | How should a guy go about obtaining casual sex/short term/ONS relationships?This is very long and very boring. It's like 2 paragraphs more than yours. If you call that 'very long', well... It’s barely related to what I’ve said I'm saying that I disagree with the sentiment that going somewhere to have fun first, or suggestions which are along a similar vein that if you are seen displaying abundant positivity without deliberate approaches, be it by just going somewhere to have fun or passionate pursuing a hobby in a group, then the women will start flocking, warm up to yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 12:38 PM |
| 1 | How should a guy go about obtaining casual sex/short term/ONS relationships?Sure, just in their head. That's why they don't get Tinder matches. Oh wait, I know! It's because they're all incredibly dumb and forgot to smile more in the picture or have a background with kayakes and friends or whatever. That must be it. Must be the pose! the haircut! the wrong clothes! it's a plane! it's a bird! Not as if completely bluepilled guys on /r/Tinder remark literally every day about rules 1 and 2 and how insanely unbalanced the SMP on Tinder is in women's favor. Nope, definitely … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 12:29 PM |
| 1 | How should a guy go about obtaining casual sex/short term/ONS relationships?Being ugly and 'having fun' or 'passionately engaging in a hobby' and all the rest of those mood regulations results in continuing to have fun with yourself and other men, possibly making mild platonic conversations with some women that won't go anywhere because they won't make eye contact with you in that way, won't smile, and won't show any sign they are interested in pursuing it further, and if you try then you'll be 'predatory'/pervy/creepy and they'll end the conversation promptly at best o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 12:20 PM |
| 4 | CMV: In general, women want to date guys who don't follow the rules. That's partly why you shouldn't listen to their dating advice.You know what happens to ugly men who don't follow the rules with women? That's why most ugly guys follow the rules like their life depended on it ( Because it does ) while attractive guys don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 12:09 PM |
| 19 | The odds are good, but the goods are odd.Sorry to rain on the parade, but I see just more of the same old-same old. These common appeals that get shared every monday or so haven't been unheeded by men because so many are just 'that ignorant', but because they aren't really applicable to modern dating and make a tough process even harder than it already is. I rarely worry about my safety, or her being creepy, or faking genuine interest to get laid. Those things tend to not happen when dating women. Maybe when it's two women dating each … | /r/seduction | 12/12/18 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/16 11:50 AM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYes, I did say I'm not going to reply. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/16 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThat's fine, perhaps some things are best left unknown. Kidding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/16 12:22 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWho said anything about "normal people" for fuck's sake? I'm sure many have plenty of difficulties, problems reading social fantasies or revenge fantasies ( For people that harmed them, hence why revenge ) rather than plenty of guys who simply beat up the people who harmed them, therefore not needing any fantasies. It's all the other shit in your accusations which is wrong - it's inherent "entitlement", "dangerous rapists and mass murderers" ( Links say it's wrong, you want to keep on forcing it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/16 12:21 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThat incels "stalk women to the point of harassment" is not an observed phenomena except in your imagination or that women can't act entitled when they don't get the guy they want, the fact you think /pol/ or /adv/ or /v/ even have more than a speck of incels is hilarious, the only post you presented in which someone kind of supported Elliot belonged to one person, I "distanced" incels when I told you ages ago that you're only going to find proof for a subset of incels and not all or even the ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/16 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe typical incel stalks a girl and bothers her to the point of harassment. The typical cat lady loves cats and keeps to her own. Look, you might say as well say incels abuse little children and female incels all volunteer in charity. I already told you, nobody is going to engage with your retardation anymore. You are wasting your time. You're unbelievably sexist. Who's posting all the What "all the"? It's no coincidence that you went straight to /r9k/ which is the only place you could find thes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/16 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenAlright you idiot, so you spent your entire posts trying to strawman incels, those who identify as incels, claiming if someone is an incel then he's oh so bad ( But women ever are ), and now you're backpedaling to "a subset of incels" which is what I told you all along. And still insisting that the majority of 4channers are incels ( which is hilarious to anyone except you who's reading it ) You are shining example of intuitive bigotry gone completely off the rails. And there is still not a singl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/16 12:10 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenAlright, I guess I'll do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/16 09:11 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenIt took you this long to admit your definition of incel is "Someone who is an incel and does everything bad I attribute to him" rather than what "incel" really is and that when this is the case, they are just as shitty as the shitty segments of other groups of people? That's like a redpiller insisting "Women" are all manipulative whores, then says that if we go by the definition of "woman" in which a woman is a female who behaves in a manipulative fashion....facepalm Then apparently your definit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/16 09:11 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenSources You gave absolutely no sources about what the majority of all incels think or do, except for yet more baseless claims about the demographic composition of particular places ( Of which only /r/incels applies, and only a subset at that. To which I offered you /r/ForeverAlone which is 50 times bigger. Although come to think of it since you accuse all incels of your demented bullshit, do you accuse all of /r/ForeverAlone of that too? ). It is a popular site with the young socially awkward ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI fail to see any sort of statistic, study, any sort of basis at all in this tremendous tirade full of prejudiced angst that might as well be virtually indistinguishable from the most extremist MGTOW-er talking about what all women that identify as feminist must be like ( Which you wouldn't agree with ), except he'd probably actually have some statistics or studies detailing feminist theory. In addition to contrived gibberish, fabrications and venom, we also have even more laughable outright lie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 08:13 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenElliot Rodger Wasn't even a rapist. That's your reasoning for thinking it's likely 90% of rapists are incels? Whatever your insanity stems from, it's simply false. And every single incel praises Elliot Rodgers, again with no evidence. All are communities frequented by socially inept virgin males No they're not. Especially not 4chan for years now. Only r9k still has some, and tons of threads and posts there are from guys trollings or guys who are not virgins. who have no desire to become decent p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThat's your interpretation here. No, you said it's likely. /r/incel /r/mgtow /r/theredpill 4chan Only the first example you gave is an actual example of an incel community, it is also one of the smallest ones, and not even everyone there does/thinks or says half of what you claim. /r/ForeverAlone is like 50 times bigger, and is also an example of actual incel community. And the percentage of guys in various places who say they are perpetually romantically unsuccessful is even 100 times bigger th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 03:59 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYou've been completely unable to answer the debate given by the blue pill. When could anyone who disagrees with your worldview on gender have been able to answer anything? Post history suggests never. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenAs the saying goes, "The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it", and at some point if there is so much garbage in a post, you can't take it out anymore, it just becomes it's own heap which just keeps getting piled on. The problem with your post is not generalization, it's being half baseless and half outright lies ( Such as thinking it's "likely" 90% of rapists are incels. Holy shit. ). Up to 60% of the content in the walls of text you s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenMost often guys who can be very "chauvinistic" or guys that women themselves claim ruined their self-esteem by fucking them, laughing them, saying their face was 3/10 to all their friends or something like that. Which apparently doesn't stop women from fucking them over and over again. Or guys who actually "slut-shame", "objectify" whatever far more than a few hundreds incels do, you know, in fucking reality. In all newspapers articles you want to open about women killing themselves/whining abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenIt isn't the same, but it also can be. For example, if the woman was forced to interact with one of these men in a workplace or something like that. I've heard tons of stories of guys whose life in their workplace has been made much more miserable ( No, not because they tried raping all their female coworkers ) due to the fact their female coworkers find their face or hobbies or demeanor "creepy" or asocial. And nerdy guys get bullied/verbally offended by women more often than muscular quarterba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenIntuition is something that someone thinks he knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning. Intuition is the process of acquiring knowledge without without proof, evidence, or conscious reasoning. It can be right, or wrong, but unlike proof or evidence or reasoning, it is often very unreliable in consistency. Instinctual reasoning or "gut feeling" can be tied to emotions. For example, fear. There are situations that I feel fear in or other people do, which a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/16 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenAnyone who defines themselves as an incel feels they are "entitled" to affection and sex. Maybe you read too much into a few dozens of people in an extremely minor sub, but "incel" is generally a denominator for anyone who wants love/sex and gets rejected. So is it just a small sample of guys directly identifying as incel in the /r/incels sub or elsewhere that you are spewing all of this about, or is it any guy who identified as a guy who is celibate and not by his own volition ( actual meaning … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 08:53 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenFor the morality, I am talking about this study You link a source as proof of your reasoning that states the exact opposite of what you're saying. No, it states inter-hemispheric connectivity was greater in women's and girls' brains, whereas intra-hemispheric connectivity was greater in the brains of men and boys. "Fully analyzing a situation" is your interpretation. What it means is that women's analytical and intuitive processing modes are correlated, as one of the links also said. Whereas in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 08:16 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenNot necessarily. Yes necessarily. An analytical decision won't be wrong because it was based on feelz even when it is. It would be wrong due to insufficient data. A false gut feeling which dates back to primitive times and has a much reduced impact in a moral setting and is actually responsible for many psychological issues like false anxiety in lots of the time is wrong due to feelz when it is wrong. Since you keep bringing up incels, a woman trusting her gut and avoiding a creepy incel Yeah, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 07:35 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI don't know if the two groups differ behaviorally only a little bit though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 07:20 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenNot very much so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 07:19 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenbut you appear to be describing blind morality vs morality that takes the whole situation into account. If blind morality means relying more on intuition yes. And the other morality is not necessarily "taking the whole situation into account", rather than it would be having principles to deal with situations, while trying to surpass instinctual ( "Kneejerk" ) reactions, and thinking about a situation through those principles. I am against blind rigid principles Yes. They don't have to be blind t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenif everyone on the planet was motivated purely by selfish concerns. No, it would just be the instinctual thing to do because humans are social creatures and the compulsion to shun or mistreat "pack outcasts" dates back to mammals, and intuition is defined as acting on instinct. So can analytical Not much here about bottom pole women, but, something interesting to consider is that if empathy and analytical thinking do cancel out each other, it is still notable that empathy is not morality. For ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 06:15 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenIt did make sense though. I brought up demographics like some Muslims, or hot club "lads" ( Of course you ignored that in order to play pretend ) who can do as much and more as what the demographic of "neckbeards, incels, fedoras" and so on are accused of, and yet this demographic in particular takes up 99% of all women's time in personal attacks. Which everyone knows exactly why, including you. MGTOW Now if only MGTOW's targets were the primary targets of all men, insofar as men are attacking a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:37 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenExistential nihilism. There isn't a site I'd recommend really, but I would recommend some MGTOW channels in youtube which are less about "Do your own things, drink beers, don't marry" but rather more about introspecting on the human condition. Coltaine, ThinkingApe, Barbarossa, and Groundsworks for the Philosophy of MGTOW are all interesting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenIt can be feelz-based, or not. Is someone doing it consciously despite knowing it may not always be the most moral thing to do? If so, he's a jerk but it isn't feelz-based. Is someone doing it while automatically rationalizing any outcome that is best for him and makes him feel good as the most moral outcome regardless of principle? That's more feelz-based. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenMore like "You would base your sense of justice on the corresponding emotional reaction in general more often than the general population of males will". the writing style and lack of paragraphs did make it difficult to read. You still are unable to justify someone responding with "mental masturbation piece" while somehow hypocritically painting me as the person who "can't take criticism in a debate sub" Regardless, this is a debate sub so your "sympathy" is irrelevant. Learn to take criticism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition "Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without proof, evidence, or conscious reasoning, or without understanding how the knowledge was acquired" "a thing that one knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning." I really don't see how it implies that. A good example can be taken from the psychological tests, where men's reward centers activated when watching someone who "deserved" it being punished, but weren't a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThat may not be exactly true, as in there are other factors which can play a part, the studies did say men's brains connect more strongly from the front to the back anyway, ( Which regulates actions, hence why the studies said men can be better in coordinating action, decision-making, with perception ), and the way your analytical and intuitive processing modes interact with each other are probably going to have impact on decisions made in some circumstances, regardless of where that information… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:16 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenNo, I just don't see where's the identical association between a patient confusing knowledge he already knows and information they only inferred, not being able to tell between them, to an intuitive reaction which draws from past memories or experiences to decide the best course of action. I honestly can't see why you're posting it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:07 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenHow many are there, really? I doubt you've even seen it. Look at how many of the responses are "Every single one of them must've deserved whatever a woman did to him! They're always evil, and a woman is always right" But regardless, whether they despise them or not is irrelevant, moral intuition would only mean that in most cases they'd be less likely to sympathize or decide in their favor without really analyzing a situation ( Surprise, we are seeing that happening right now ). But it's also po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/16 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYour racism cards are showing, fella. Facepalm, no. What it has to do with ethnicity and religion, is that there are so many other demographics other than "Ugly nerds I used to be disgusted by and gossip on ever since highschool" who say "dumb shit" or "misogyny" about women, and at a much higher and more severe rate actually saying it, yet none of them get 0.1% of the female ridicule enterprise prime-time, kind of proves what's the real reason behind women mocking and slandering the men ( Did w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 05:23 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenStandard for reddit, Ok then. Yet appearances also remain that 90% of all female ridicule/gaslighting/attacking activity is centered on men who don't seem very socially or visually impressive, go figure. You're a white knight for the undesirable, but only if there's a penis attached. W-r-o-n-g. leans in to Microphone, puts on Trump voice: Wrong. Never happened. Never posted in any circlejerks about undesirable female individuals or condoned it when it happened and actually "whiteknighted" when i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenSome of them do, sure. And before you reply, keep in mind they're making a conscious effort to behave that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenSince I'm getting a shitton of comments right now and responding quickly, I'll say Redpill without the PUA, without the amorality, and with more Nihilism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe research does, but the psychological tests say they're more intuitive and that men act principles ( while women kind of don't ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 05:01 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenHoly shit. Yeah, this is a debate sub, hence why you don't just call someone's post a "mental masturbation piece" without addressing the content at all. Here you are right now using intuitive morality to support her wrongful, un-debate like, kneejerk comment because you don't like my views. And tell me to "take criticism" on top of it. If I responded right now "Your comment is mental masturbation" would you call it criticism? Won't you tell me off? JEE-SU-S. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:59 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenEven the elephant man That's probably the worst example. Since he would provide the most social brownie points for befriending, with all the media coverage tint and all. It would be very intuitive for someone who makes intuitive decisions to do that, than a random ostracized person. We also have incels with female friends hanging out on PPD. Potential =/= certainty. Intuitional morality can potentially disadvantage the bottom pole men by women. But we'd need a moral decision, say, with him and a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenEven if various brain surgeries didn't have way more effect than just on connectivity, "become confused between knowledge they already know and information that they have only inferred." is unrelated to "extrapolating from the past to decide in the present" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenEven if various brain surgeries didn't have way more effect than just on connectivity, "become confused between knowledge they already know and information that they have only inferred." is unrelated to "extrapolating from the past to decide in the present" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenintuition =/= context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:43 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in women'girls like assholes,' by any other name Stating one thing is not necessarily stating the opposite. Of course, it is also a pure coincidence that all these subs revel in posting pictures so much, that their very name is gendered, that none of the women who JUST HAVE TO criticize "dumb shit" or "muhsjoinee" which is why they do it, they just have to, and totally NOT as a flimsy mascot to rail on guys they always wanted to ridicule to begin with, never bother mocking any Muslims "saying things" ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenSo far, they mock hypocrisy Are you serious? They are the hypocrisy. cringe inducing social skills and general brain damage. If that's what you want to call mocking "undesirable" males, sure. Dude, you're a fucking grade A whiteknight feminist SJW. You would never admit any woman can be wrong about mocking a male with a false accusation if your life depended on it. Doesn't matter though, I'm sure you'd love to explain to me where was the "hypocrisy and muh sojinee" when they called all of the FA… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:34 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenPerception and coordinated action, the more analytical communication, that would be the active part of the brain when someone looks at an orange next to another orange and makes the realz-based metaphysical analysis that the number of oranges is "2". It would also be the active part in analytical morality, when someone perceives someone he is repulsed by being wronged, but ignores the feelz, the physical and emotional repulsion, and consults his metaphysical principles instead, to ascribe the ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWhat you said not exactly the definition of intuition. And perhaps it can be appropriate, and not in others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenattracted Since are we talking about attraction? You further exclude undesirable men who have platonic female friends How? moral intuition would be more about potential. The better question would be, if women are not very morally intuitive, moral intuition stemming from instinct rather than guided analyzed principle, how many women befriended or defended any undesirable men against overwhelming social pressure? ( Where in conformity would be the intuitive instinct ) How many women would criticiz… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:21 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenTrue, there are so many that you won't have time. Those are the just the sample though, the whole place is like that. what I see is people mocking pity-begging Mocking any male who seems eccentric, socially rejected, or who said something about being sexually unsuccessful, while almost never doing the same to any woman for much more than that except for 0.5% of times posted by some outlier users, which either barely get any comments or if they do, none of them are as vehement and accusatory. gir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 04:07 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenBut making the decision about constitutes a moral good ( analytical ) is more realz-based than reacting based on immediate feelings. Looking at someone that you feel repulsed by and trying to figure out what would constitute a moral good to treat him by such as a principle is inspired by metaphysical analysis, which can be "real" like math is real. Whereas simply looking at him and going "Ewww, get away from me, I don't want to sympathize with anything" is purely feelz based. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 03:50 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenincels is an arcane corner of the internet Not really, most of the major incel communities are not hostile to women, like FA or various forums where incels talk about it ( WrongPlanet, etc.. ) and so on. Unless someone asking an "incel woman" why won't she date an incel is a form of "hostility" ( Which apparently it is ) I'm subscribed to those subs Of course you did and of course you don't see it. Never getting tired of lying. let me provide you a famous example, one of the very many I keep, in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 03:41 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWell I like listening to Sargon of Akkad and I've been watching Lauren Southern too, So I'm sure I'll do it. And maybe we should already do a Canadian anti-SJW professor exchange, and I'll offer you this link of Sargon interviewing Evolutionary psychologist Professor Gad Saad just a few days ago. Your flair suggests you'll like it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 03:15 PM |
| 4 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenNo I haven't heard of him, it seems pretty interesting though. I also can't help but think how solipsistic their proposition to enforce verbal rules to help some people with jobs and housing. Because I don't think they'd be willing to let any other demographic enforce verbal rules too if they think it would help them acquire something they want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 03:09 PM |
| 5 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenIf you derive it from what you perceive and dwell about metaphysically, rather than just react based on how you feel at a given moment. Morality itself can't be judged as "realz", or in other words there's no one whose morality is "objectively right", but morality can be based, in how someone deducts it, on realz more than feelz, regardless if the morality itself is subjective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 03:03 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenSomeone saying It's not someone saying though, it's them doing it, and admitting it. the people on It was only too anticipated you would say that. However, I mentioned them in the context of women sympathizing with them, not their stories. what I have seen is social media pity-seeking and online dating rage quits being called out. Do we really have to go down that route? It's pretty tiring having to prove apologist wrong again and again. 90% of the content attacks and slanders people for literal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe line gets blurry depending on who's moderating to be honest, lol, but ok, next time I'll say "Please read again". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 02:50 PM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenAwesome, thanks. And yes, I had all of those thoughts in mind when looking at both the neurological and psychological studies next to each other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenGotta look at the filled half of the cup. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 02:46 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenAsking if she can't read my answer is not civil? Oh well. What about "It's a long winded mental masturbation piece. "? Is that civil? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 02:44 PM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenIf someone did lie though, it's not really a good example of "intuitive" morality. If we accept the neurological differentiation, women are intuitive, they don't choose to be intuitive. They get emotional input from something, and just react, without analyzing it as much. If someone with analytical morality has the principle of not lying, it's probably because his analysis of morality led to the conclusion that lying to others can be harmful to them and should be avoided. But he could just as we… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 02:36 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenGuys who don't have a high smv can act like assholes and have their smv artificially raised Yes, I agree with that and the details. So I was right. and have their smv artificially raised to match the natural SMV To a degree. I was giving an example Great for him? Still not much to do with chasing girls out of league I guess. There's masculine behavior and then Okay, average guys can also get laid by successfully employing masculine behavior. That was never a point of contention between us. tell … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 02:17 PM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in women"All I got was this lousy flair". To be honest though it probably won't serve as a badge of honor much since I rarely post. I'm humbled to know you think it's deserved though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 01:51 PM |
| 4 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWe literally heard it here first. From you. Because I have no idea how you inferred that from an hypothetical example I gave someone which doesn't contain "men" or "women" in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 01:38 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYeah. When it comes to myself, I'm an asshole to other men too because I find it to be funny. So there is a point to claiming that about a fair share of guys who have high SMV after all, it seems. This guy Who? What are you even talking about? I didn't realize we were in a conversation about some guy. SMV is relative Sure, but I was saying "Right" to your statement of having a social circle of models. I actually did meet plenty of men who weren't alpha in college and they all had girlfriends. Ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 01:36 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWell, I think in the major study of 1000 individuals, you can watch in the documentary, one of the neuroscience professors says that when he got the results, he thought it was a mistake, because he has never seen such a clarity of stark differences. But it can be a spectrum, yes. So maybe 55% men are "rationalistic" and 75% of women are intuitive, but 20% are hyper-rationalistic but only 1% of women are. Or 45% of men are "feelers" but only 5% are "hyper-feelers" while 40% of women are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 01:27 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYou sure about the attractive women? I've read that women just get shorter sentences in general, but not that unattractive women don't enjoy that bias. Do you have the source? Likewise for the bosses. I would imagine attractive women would get better treatment, but that both them and unattractive women would get better treatment than an unattractive male. And now, while attraction can be a possible source of emotional relation, and therefore sympathy, the studies were speaking about all moral sc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 01:18 PM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in women"Anonymized self-reporting"? Not really. We have tons of feminist magazines shaming nerds, "fedoras", attacking sexual frustrated males, with plenty of males from all ends of the spectrum opposing their hypocrisy, but barely any women, we have entire subreddits here dedicated to women ridiculing weak men ( But they never do to other women ), we have maybe 1 or 2 women out of thousands of gaslighters and trolls on incel communities who actually show sympathy ( Like millions of women do on a daily… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 01:04 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenBut I do know one IRL. he thinks that by spending hundreds on a chick he has oneities will work So first it was "Incels always say any man who's with a woman is a asshole even if he's not" ( Although, note difference of someone acting the part of the asshole to get his woman, and someone actually being an asshole to other men genuinely ), then I said not really and you said, "Yes, incels really do set their sights on women above their league", now it's "They think spending hundreds on chicks wil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:59 PM |
| 6 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe entire last paragraph hyper-focuses on women being cruel to the least desirable of men. Sure. It assumes Wrong. It's based on everything seen, in reddit too, or as told by the lease desirable men themselves, of how women treat them. How many FA's or "neckbeards" get sympathy from women when other women attack them? inb4 "They're all evil!" ( Rationalization of intuition ) I beg to differ. Fucking someone and caring about them I never said anything specifically about fucking someone. I talked… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:45 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWell, I've seen a lot of women saying that the "bad boy" excites them and someone who is too nice or polite is just "boring". There were articles on that. In sex too, women display that, and I don't believe there's a complete separation there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:39 PM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenGood question. Well, principles can be both good and bad. As one of the articles said, men can be completely selfish or selfless more frequently for example. We would have to know if those actions really seem moral to them, or if they are actually a principle not affected by emotion - a principle of "I want pussy. I probably gotta whiteknight. I'm gonna do that from now on". Since whiteknights almost never seem NOT to whiteknight ( Unlike say women who cover up for Chad but won't for some other … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:37 PM |
| 9 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI'm out https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160713152154.htm http://sciencenewsjournal.com/male-female-brains-wired-differently/ You're also welcome to watch the documentary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:33 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI know a few I am certain of it. They are all with their iron sights set on women who are out of their league. That's not what I answered "not really" about. But the answer to that one is actually "not really" as well. I rank as an 8/10 compared against male models nothing special I guess but that's not the point. lol I see average men doing the same with average women and they get laid. Like I said, one of two options can happen, and they are proportionally influenced by how someone looks relat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:31 PM |
| 4 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI never ignored anything. I said women can be more empathetic in the given circumstance, have more pity for the "guilty", and added among other things. And what I said about men was neutral ( Unless, you are of the opinion that the male moral reasoning is superior. In which case it would seem like the statements were all positive ). But if you want more emphasis, that's alright. I said can be more objective, and sticking to principles rather than being emotionally motivated, does not mean ignori… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:24 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThat is what incels usually say when they see other men get with women. Not really. Have you ever laughed at a girl or trolled her? Have you ever done it to a hot girl? Its hilarious. They get pissy about it make drama and then you just grab them by the pussy and fuck them. Well, depending on how good you look and how precisely can you imitate a natural alpha, it's either that, or a sexual harassment charge and social ostracism from everyone who knows you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:21 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe thing is, harry's dad wasn't even that good-looking. Well he was better-looking than Snape, I suppose. Its just that he didn't act like a lilly flower like Snape did. That's one way to say "Asshole". And it would do snape some good to take a shower here and then Not sure if memeing or not. Actually Snape's hair was always very sleek and shiny. That's the problem with incels. They only see the pretty girls. Only in the movies. Snape wasn't a beta. He was omega. True, in his social status too.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:11 PM |
| 6 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenFirst question, yes. I do. If you read the Psychology Today article, the professor himself actually talked about it. Second question, I honestly don't know just how much morality factors in for most executive jobs. Both in how much anyone cares about it or if it even gets the chance to become an issue. Police work, law firms maybe? But those are hardly the high paying executive level jobs anyone talks about. So no, I wouldn't think there's much of a correlation, but other neurological functions … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWell, metaphorically, yes. In how the slang goes these days. He always loved Harry's mother even though she was married to Harry's alpha father, and kind of looked out for Harry because of that. That was actually a classical story of studious beta getting rejected for unruly alpha, come to think of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 12:00 PM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenwill make sure he meets the required attractiveness threshold Do you mean physical attractiveness? Well, not everyone can "make sure" they meet it. But anyway, you are saying that it is attractiveness+sob story which is = sympathy, rather attractiveness+DT+sob story? I do think sufficient attractiveness can be a standalone, but I also have reason to believe, including from many articles penned by women, that if there two men of equal looks, someone with more DT traits might have the sex appeal a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 11:57 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWell, Professor Snape was also a cuck. I know what you're going to say about that, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 11:48 AM |
| 6 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWell, we also know though that for the sob story to work ( Empathy to be extracted ), there has to be an intuitive source. Which can be attraction ( I'm attracted to this man, I feel good around this man, therefore I'll empathize with this man ). And it isn't the sob stories or "needing to be fixed" which generates the attraction because sob stories don't help any incels or socially ostracized and depressed nerds, they have the opposite effect for women. I think that it is DT+Appearance that gen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 11:39 AM |
| 1 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI'm actually Professor Snape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 11:07 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI'm glad to hear it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 10:25 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in women"I" wasn't making them, if you look at the citations. But why are you asking that? Because my arguments imply you generalize the common ground regarding who is a decent human being? That's not an apt analogy because there are biological gender differences between men and women that can be empirically generalized. That would be like, if you wanted to generalize only the distinguished view of who's a decent human being between psychopaths ( Who often have structural brain differences ) and non-psy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 10:08 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe statistics are not as exceptional or extreme as you may think, the political views right now or major cultural differences, or the fact psychologists think 2% ( Which is huge when combined with everything else ) of the human population are psychopaths, and so forth, are all indicative of that. A few things are. Torturing a disabled child for no reason for example, but you'd really need to go that far for it to be an "anomaly". One level above that, and there could be like 5-10% of people who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 09:32 AM |
| 6 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenand everyone can utilize each with conscious effort. With some limits I think, which get stretched the more statistically outlying someone is. For example, the extremely higher frequency of autistic spectrum disorders in males wherein their social/behavioral outlook is something almost no woman if at all can exhibit more than a marginal resemblance of. ( Even in women who are diagnosed, the behaviors would still be closer to a neurotypical woman than they are to anything but the edge of the male… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 09:18 AM |
| 6 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThanks, you can feel free to repost it if you want. I do think it contains a lot of important research and information that should be accessible to people who are interested in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:35 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenTry "There's an arbitrary amount of things that I could agree or disagree on depending on the person, most of the time agreeing on the majority since I hang out with likeminded people, but sometimes almost nothing if I meet a certain kind of person" and you'll have it right. You could define validity based on a majority/peer ( AKA Bandwagon fallacy ) consensus about who's a decent human being if you want. But then again, there can be a peer consensus that they dindu nuffin wrong by bullying some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:30 AM |
| 8 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenNo, we don't. "Solid common ground". There are probably millions of people in the world believing that killing a cheating woman is the peak of decency, whereas you probably think anyone who does so is the most vile human being in the world. So "we" generally don't know shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:17 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI'm not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:14 AM |
| 2 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYes, that's what I told him. Are you feeling well? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:13 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenGood, I agree that the "debate" has truly been concluded. It is best that you celebrate with some drinks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:12 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenSure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:11 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYou actually have not told me. Go ahead and quote it. You quoting yourself is the literal definition of "circular logic." I don't even. Alright, dear smurf, I appreciate your constructive rebuttal of my post as "long-winded mental masturbation", and I have taken into consideration the retorts you have raised. I think we can quit the discussion now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:08 AM |
| 7 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe results. Some people manage to be decent human beings And here's where your definition of validity becomes subjective, and therefore impossible for me ( or you ) to provide some kind of empirical proof about whether one or both of any moral methods are valid. In order to examine if a method is valid or invalid when it comes to being a "decent human being", we would also both need to have an identical perception of who's a "decent human being". And believe me, we don't. Or regardless, BP'ers … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 08:02 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenShe's going to claim she was referring to something else ( Which won't be backed up by her semantics ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:53 AM |
| 10 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenSo now you changed your argument against me completely. It's impossible to make some kind of objective statement about the "validity of a method" when it comes to deciding moral issues. Maybe bullying a "freak" based on intuition of how disgusting he is a valid method of deciding the moral issue of whether or not, or yes, to bully him. Who can say what the fuck a "valid method" is exactly? I can only determine what kind of reality methods can lead to, not if they're "valid". When it comes to int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:51 AM |
| 4 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI thought you should be smart enough to infer why, but I guess it needs to be spelled out - You haven't addressed anything of what I wrote in the OP, and instead just insulted it as "long winded mental masturbation" because it doesn't sit well with your feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:39 AM |
| 8 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenFirst of all, I don't believe I have a TRP flair. Secondly, if I did, and you'd like to talk about attraction ( Rather than morality, but whatever ), you would know there is nothing pragmatic about "tingles". Which is TRP's opinion. As for being Machiavellian, if someone is not guided by principles, then yes, he could be defined as such. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:34 AM |
| 3 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenI'm not sure how it deviates based on what you said in the previous post. You would have to explain it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:25 AM |
| 6 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThen your morality is not different than what would be the typical female morality ( Even if you are atypical in other areas ). You do not act on rigid principles, but the best outcome for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:24 AM |
| 11 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenYou're actually a very good live example of how women's psyche, generally, as described by the studies, manifests itself, due to your reaction. You probably don't even understand why you are though, because you just can't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:21 AM |
| 5 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThey definitely should not be taken as how men and women "should" be. It's just that it's rarely demonstrated otherwise to a significant degree ( Of someone completely seceding from the spectrum ). I can probably, out of millions of women, count the number of women that almost completely shifted to analytical morality, in terms of how they see weak men for example, on one hand. For example Karen Straughan. If someone is a biological outlier and it is consistently proven by their actions, then th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:17 AM |
| 9 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenAnd if you would read the thread, you would find out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:09 AM |
| 6 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenWell, sure, not all men have the same level of testosterone either, biology isn't a factory line, but the statistical gender differences, between the male "spectrum" and the female "spectrum" are still there. No one said an atypical male or female ( At the edge of the spectrum, leaning towards more masculine or feminine traits ) can't exist, but it would be almost impossible for man to almost entirely match a woman, or for a woman to match a man. The most prominent behavioral evidence of that be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:04 AM |
| 17 | Moral Command in men VS Moral Intuition in womenThe TL;DR is female morality is usually based more on feelz and male morality is more based on realz, if I wanted to phrase it cheekily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 07:02 AM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himBreaking news: Mansplainer makes first use of the term "Social construct" by definition ever. Feminist organizations in response "This is an assault on our vocabulary" | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/16 09:40 AM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himIrrelevant Uh...sure. You're talking, but aren't saying a thing. Using the phrase "western regimes" makes you sound like you yearn for Haven't you heard the TRP motto, "Enjoy the decline"? Western society is a society in decline. middle easterner's shitty culture Not precisely. I'm sure some positive elements could be borrowed though. Making false quotes doesn't work when the post history is available. Exactly, which is why anyone can see you told someone "You do understand that you wouldn't be … | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/16 09:35 AM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himThat depends on which, doesn't it? Not sure what's your point. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/16 09:26 AM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himEverything is. Go back to tumblr. Is this supposed to be satire? Err, no. Sex for example is not a social construct, as I can locate a penis or vagina, manipulate testosterone or estrogen, get an MRI scan of gendered brain differences and so forth, through empirical means. "Dignity" on the other hand, well, that's a bit harder to point out empirically. And on top of that, it's definition arbitrarily changes based on who's saying it. And that makes it a social construct. Whereas tumblr may call t… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/16 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himYou do realize all the women could be fucking a "small" ( relative to the population ) pool of guys too most of the time, so these guys would get the most sex, right? Besides, you misunderstood my response to you too. I'm not talking about how things are now thanks to western regimes. You said "If women won't be able to fuck around, men wouldn't be able to either". That's a false statement. Read my post again. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/11/16 02:23 AM |
| 3 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himDignity is a social construct. How do you measure his dignity, by the reaction of society? I don't think he lost any dignity. Other guys don't. You do. Other guys do. Who's right? I don't care that he spied on her with a drone, either. So why should he? In the middle-east, most men don't care, and approve of, when whores get more than just a drone spying on them, too. So what reason do the men in that society have to care about the sentiments of westerners concerning their treatment of whores? T… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/11/16 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himIt is possible, in theory. You could have a system in which every male, alpha, beta, omega can fuck as many women as he wants, but in which the women themselves are not eeexaactlly "fucking around". Of course such a system would also be considered heavily anti-human rights. But it isn't theoretically correct to say that if someone had the opportunity to create any kind of system he wanted to, a system like that could not be made. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/11/16 02:17 PM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himBut then again, Angelina might have not been feeling as if she is maximizing her hypergamous potential. When some average bitch gets a long-term relationship from Chad, she's like "Holy shit, I have something to lose that I might not be able to obtain again from another Chad, only betas. Better keep this thing going until he drastically drops in value or something" But Angelina Jolie or any of those other Hollywood stars can think to themselves "Well yeah, I'm married to this rich attractive fam… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/11/16 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on himIn addition, the most basic premise of TRP in the PUA context at least would be, "What can I do, to get what I want". That's where it all starts. So now, we have to ask ourselves, what does this man want? To keep a branch-swinging whore in his household by out-alphaing her other suitors? From his behavior, it doesn't seem so. If it is though, then he's doing it wrong. Or does he want to find out if his wife is a branch-swinging whore, having married her under the belief that she isn't, and is a … | /r/TheRedPill | 16/11/16 01:49 PM |
| 1 | Front Page of Reddit: Guy uses drone and catches his wife cheating on him"Creepy vibe" = not alpha enough? Imagine if you were married to a woman who was overweight, sat at home making youtube videos Well guess what, most men ( "betas" ) did and wanted exactly that and even after the ruin of traditionalism, still do to some extent, on top of inventing the concept of monogamy because of their trait known as "loyalty". If there was a woman who was overweight, dorky, making youtube videos and yes, also jealous for her husband, but at the same time did not practice hyper… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/11/16 01:17 PM |
| 1 | The reason why we don't talk about RP truths in publiche gets to be treated as one of them - a woman. Lol no, if only. Then it might actually be worth doing it. Heck, women would even smooch and mess around with other women sooner than they will with an omega for being a male feminist and "sacrificing his manhood unto the goddesses" ( They'd just call him a pedestalizing creep ). What his prize actually is, is getting to be treated as one of them......for the sole duration in which those women are still on public air. Just like the traitor getting … | /r/TheRedPill | 16/11/16 01:02 PM |
| 1 | Fucked my ex for the first time.I came to the conclusion that I was just too unnatractive to fuck, when in reality I was just a beta-bitch. Well, it's probably both. You were hitting the gym for months after all. Women want the natural alpha ( Strong genes ), and through requirements of game try to weed out the false alphas ( Weak genes pretending to be strong ). Like any gender instinct, this has roots in evolutionary biology. Just because a certain ape beats his chest does not appease the female ape. He still needs to duke i… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/11/16 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Urbanism, Ruralism, and Dunbar's NumberSo what's good for men? It depends what you want. Unchecked hypergamy is good for you if you are looking for sex with as many different women as possible with as low as possible an investment of time, effort, and money That only applies to the top 20% of men. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/11/16 12:09 AM |
| 1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?If that's how it was interpreted from my post. Since I emphasize accuracy, I'll also admit "universal" was hyperbole on my part. The degree to which some form of dominance both physical or verbal by men is usually preferred by women during sex is just so statistically high, it was easy to use the word. I suppose there might be some pure dommes or solely gentle sex lovers out there. As for saying "It's not a redpill position", I meant, it's not exclusively a redpill position. If TRP thinks the sk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 02:12 PM |
| 1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?"Biggest brute", I'll revise that, not in literal terms, of raw strength, if that's how it is interpreted. The latter statement though, I would say it's a near-universal liking. Most best selling sex concepts and books for women, such as 50 shades, feature rough sex, and things like spanking, choking, pushing, forceful behavior figure extremely prominent in women's description of the kind of sex they find attractive, in addition to desire for submissiveness, at an extremely higher rate than male… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/16 06:09 PM |
| 2 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?I never ignored it, I responded to it in "As for the slang". By saying it's far-fetched because much it's present primary definitions are still based on the original meaning, as opposed to "faggot". All I tried to do was illustrate that not everything is so black and white Except when it comes to /r/niceguys, and then all the users are sanctimonious critiques of misogyny and shitty behavior, while all the guys they mock are terrible people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 06:23 AM |
| 2 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Still ignoring your sub's atrocious behavior. Maybe I should ignore your comments too? since it is currently associated with pejorative attributes Not really, since the slang was not originally coined as such, and therefore all of it's subsequent interpretations are varied. I went beyond that. Spending a lot of time in his room and only speaking when necessary? Make that scientific interests and less outgoing than usual then. That is still far-fetched from all the primary definition, I.E sociall… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 06:05 AM |
| 2 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Look who's ignoring NiceGuys hatred and verbal abuse against random depressed people again. As for the slang, let us wrap up this tiresome discussion already by saying that you chose a pretty maladjusted slang for your friend, since it was both associated with pejorative attributes that your friend doesn't have by origin and still chiefly is by modern definitions. If we call anyone with scientific interests "nerds", that's a pretty far-fetched divergence from what the term nerd encapsulates by o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 05:44 AM |
| 2 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Are you saying it's hypocritical to call someone an asshole, and then be an asshole to them as an "eye for an eye" kind of thing? Because almost everyone does that. Holy Hamster. No, this wasn't an "Eye for an eye" thing. /r/Foreveralone were neither accused of being "assholes" nor were they the subject of any NiceGuy post alleging they did something wrong. They simply got casually mentioned, and everyone started verbally assaulting their userbase for being pathetic dogs. That's not only a disgu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 05:22 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Specific examples of users, I mean. Users who ridicule men for one thing and praise women for the same thing. Do you have trouble reading? I already told you that my qualms about hypocrisy have nothing to do with genders, although that happens too. My main problem with hypocrisy is the fact that people who say they criticize niceguys for being assholes, are being assholes to other people themselves. How many times do I have to say that? Because he calls himself a nerd. Well, that's great. Some N… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Do you have specific examples? What the fucking hell? The links I previously gave you are major examples. Every single poster there who dehumanized those guys as "pathetic dogs" or the women who said they'll bring less joy than a dog to someone, are all /r/niceguys users and women who denounced men, on other threads at /r/niceguys, who insulted or generalized or dehumanized women or a group of women or a woman, for no reason. It's in their posting history. Open the fucking link, I bet you never … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 03:58 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Yes, most of the people who posted on that thread and insulted, generalized and attacked each other, are people who chided so-called "NiceGuys" for insulting, generalizing or attacking women for no reason. That is hypocrisy, not to mention it makes them a bunch of scum worse than any person criticized on the sub, which you don't seem to care about. several users Try half of the sub who are always wrongfully spouting ad hominem about people and upvoting those comments. Even your wikipedia definit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Can you give examples Why would I give examples for something irrelevant? When I called your community hypocritical, it's because the same people who claim they are mocking guys who are being assholes under the pretense of being nice or good, are acting like assholes to /r/ForeverAlone or other guys for no reason, while pretending they are righteous and moral. That's the hypocrisy. My problem with hypocrisy was separate from what I said about the fact women are rarely criticized. Since you said … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 02:47 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?I don't speak for my community You did speak for your community when you claimed they only make fun of people who do bad or terrible things. Do you see person A doing one thing and saying another? All the time by looking at their posting history, including yourself. Find a post that fits the "nicegirl" archetype and it will surely be posted. Several have. With much less ad hominem against the person involved, no doubt. Regardless, the circlejerk exists mainly to target males as indicated by it's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 02:22 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?No I think both examples are holding sex too high in regard. I mock that too. Yeah, sure you are. Let's see an example. Also, good job on dodging the topic of your hypocritical community and how they dehumanized people who have done nothing to them. I guess truth hurts, gotta maintain the illusion of being a righteous hero somehow. Depends on what the women were writing about. R/niceguys has posts about women as well, and their attitudes get mocked just the same. Yeah it has a tiny token minorit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?I've also never heard about it except from dudes in incel-related subs. What, of women ridiculing men for existing, as you said? Happens just as often as anyone else being ridiculed for existing. Do you also disbelieve women who say they have been ridiculed or insulted by men for existing? There is a general mockery of holding sex in such high regard, yes. Unless you're a sex-positive feminist or a woman nympho who holds sex in such high regard, then it's totally fine! You can write blogs about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Well, it's a shame I can't talk with that woman to actually ask her who she will or won't fuck. What I mean to say is, I've never seen a woman look at a man and ridicule him just for existing. Yeah, and I've never seen a man raping a woman, I've never seen men ridiculing women for existing, I've never seen people ridicule gays or trans or people with disabilities for existing, I've never seen... Like I said, it sounds like you're either a whiteknighting liar or you need to get out more, because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/16 12:28 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?I couldn't tell you if she would fuck any man in existence, because I'm not her. You honestly cannot tell me that any man will fuck any woman in existence, because you are not them. I am the one who asserted that it is impossible to resolutely verify something under certain circumstances. I did not ask you for conclusive proof, I asked what gave you that impression. That you spotted her talking to a few guys in the bar? It is very probable that all of them were average or above dudes. So I asked… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?So you think she will fuck any many in existence, based on a sighting in a bar and several dudes? Could at you at least give me an example of what you mean by "varying age/status/appearance"? I've never seen women ridicule men of any stature You are one yourself, you even post in subs dedicated to the very purpose. How come you haven't seen them? The difference between you and me is that I'm not so quick to put any person who is described as masculine as a Chad. Masculine, sexy, "animal", dimwit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 03:24 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?She approached lots of dudes with seemingly no regard for status/appearance/age. And I asked "How do you know this?", and since you say you didn't follow her around, or alternatively, you never asked her about it, then you don't know that. I'm going to speculate here that by "Seemingly no regard", you mean the only thing you know is that she approached a bunch of dudes at bars and nothing more than that. But all of those dudes could very well be average guys or above-average guys, they aren't ve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 02:00 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?No, I'm only looking for your own testimony. Did that regular woman actually approach every guy? If there were 20 guys at the bar she would approach all 20 until one of them fucked her? Did you see her approaching fat guys, ugly guys, dumb and uncharismatic guys, nerdy guys, weird guys? Maybe dive bars would be more commonly frequented by higher SMV guys who fit her standards. but it's not always a give that you're picturing the right person. And I already answered you that it's not a given, but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 12:20 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?There were women who would gladly let you do what you wanted if you gave them a good look. The question was whether they'll fuck anything with a dick. They will let any nerd or neckbeard do what they want if they gave them a good look? How do you know this? There are a million desperate virgins who can't find any woman to save their lives, I'm sure they'll be happy to know that. Go to /r/FAdating, go to incel forums, go to /r/VirginityExchange, 99% of those people are males, not women. Do you ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 06:01 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?I still see women who will do it for free. Where? You said he was That's how people who invented the meme describe the meme, so it fits the meme. If people who say "Chad" when talking about masculine, sexy dimwitted animals, then a masculine dimwitted sexy animal qualifies as Chad. It doesn't matter what she knows about the guy, it matters how people who frequently use the meme intend it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?I've seen the women on the streets who will fuck any man. I've already added the caveat of "not for money" in my first post. Knowyourmeme.com? That's your source? Laughable. Chad Thundercock is a meme. You seem adamant that your definitions are correct without regarding anyone else's. I said that this guy could fit a definition of Chad. Because it's been used to describe Chads by people before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/16 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?I think there are Where do you think they are? Because I see the guys on reddit, craiglist, incel forums and so on who will agree and send sexual messages to almost any female profile, I don't see the woman who does so with men. Can you source the meaning of the word Chad? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/chad-thundercock People will describe people how they see them. Your masculine is not always their masculine. Not even going to comment on your relativistic mental gymnastics. Might as well say th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Shapeshifting is physically impossible, this is a pretty failed analogy. Also, you're the one who said that you don't think there's something in behavior which can be said about all women. Now you're taking it back. These men say they'd fuck anything with a whole, but would you not agree that men who fuck corpses and animals have some sort of mental disorder? Sure, so you acknowledge the fact there are no women who would fuck anything with a dick ,unlike men? So therefore can you be confident th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 07:36 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?No, there isn't So contrary to your previous opinion, there are things we can say that ALL women will do or won't do, can't we? unless he truly has no dignity. If that's how you want to call it, sure, there are many men with "no dignity out there" who said they'll fuck anything with a hole. You're telling me that you're confident Yes. There are men who fuck goats and corpses too, and there are many men out there who will fuck anything with a vagina just to get off. I noticed you didn't bold "dim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?No, my question is - Do you think that there is any woman in the world who will agree to have sex with any man by direct request, because she wants to have sex with all men ( And not for money/ green card/ meals/ drugs whatever ) If your answer is "No, there is no such woman", then my response would be "But there are such men". There are men in the world who will have sex with any woman on the spot. So in the male gender we have a diverse approach to sexual selectivity, but the female gender is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 01:26 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Let's ask you a more irrefutable question - Do you think it is true that no woman, will ever have sex with every man, for free and without ulterior motives, and just for being asked if she wants to do it by those men? I disagree on the foundation of what a "Chad" is. Well, the people who coined the slang disagree with you, and when defining slangs, we usually defer to their origin. Although "cocky" is also part of the stereotype, so is being a dimwitted, sexy masculine animal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/16 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?Well, I've never really seen any of those women, and you're the first one who said that it can happen. And yes, being sexy to one woman does not make someone a Chad. However the "dimwitted and masculine animal" characteristic is attractive to many women, and it is even what the Chad stereotype was founded on. So yes, that does make that guy a "Chad" so to speak. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/16 06:37 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?There are some things which 99.9% of women I've seen and talked to say in regards to all other women. One example being "Women aren't vending machines that you can put enough niceness in and get sex", do you think this is true for all women, that none of them will have sex with a guy for being nice? That doesn't make him a Chad stereotype "Dimwitted, sexy, and masculine" is literally the ultimate Chad stereotype. That's how it's been thought of ever since the word "Chad" was coined in imageboard… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/16 04:15 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?anyone who claims that "All X are the same" is wrong. I guess almost all women are wrong then. Since they say that a lot. Dimwitted, sexy, and masculine does not mean that a person is a "Chadbro." It does. Just because a woman finds a man sexy doesn't make him a Chad automatically. But you even used an objective title of "sexy" to describe your guy. If he is sexy, then by definition he will be found sexy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/16 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?If anyone is being publicly defamed for any reason then they have the right to object to that. And if they do not themselves defame anyone publicly, they will also have have the moral justification to do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 12:33 AM |
| 1 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Well Mrs. LeaneGenova has told me you are not allowed to say that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 12:30 AM |
| 1 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Your friends perhaps can afford to do it because they have strong social networks that shield them from being defamed to the point of crippling their prospects in society, or they have not had the misfortune of meeting women who spread that label in their social circles, and not just in a singular occasion. But other men who are more vulnerable or did experience widespread defamation to that effect do not have to embrace it. And besides they are definitely justified in criticizing feminists or w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?You told men to embrace being called creeps and that it isn't a big deal. I said that it is a big deal, if a woman or some women who refer to you as a creep, begin spreading that defamation in your personal circles, and harm your interactions with people. I compared it to the fact that society, feminists, women, and legal authorities do consider it a "big deal" when someone is spreading malicious labels like slut about a woman in her campus environment, or workplace, or her city, which leads to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 07:21 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Most women I know don't claim sexual harassment unless it's actually so. And? Most men I know aren't sexual harassers. I guess sexual harassment isn't a big deal now? Speaking to a woman is not going to have most women headed to the police. "Speaking" is the definition of verbal sexual harassment. Many women did complain to the police when someone in their workplace or uni class or elsewhere so much as made a sexual innuendo to them. Also, do not ignore the rest of my post: Until women start cir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 06:55 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Until women start circulating it in your university, or in your workplace, or in your town, in order to defame you and hamper all of your interactions ( Which is considered a big, terrible deal liable to legal actions by 99% of women and society when someone spreads malicious rumors about a woman's sexual activities in her campus or work environment or location or social media ), or better yet, when that woman decides to go complaining to some legal authority that you are "sexually harassing" he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?I'm not approached often by gay men because they are a minority rather than 50% of the population, there aren't many of them in my area, and I guess I am not outwardly gay. I was hit on by some gays online though, and simply told them that I am not gay. how often is it copacetic vs aggressive / uncomfortable ? I only consider it "aggressive" if I say that I am not interested and they continue, I don't expect anyone who is gay to know what my feelings might be telepathically. All of the gay men o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 05:55 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Why are you insulting PemBayliss? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 02:29 PM |
| 1 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Very well, I won't make ironic insults next time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 02:26 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?But I and other straight men will just flat-out say that we won't have gay sex with anyone. I wouldn't make up stuff about their creepiness or their objectification of me or whatever as the reason why I won't have sex with them. Meanwhile when a low SMV guy asks about sex, he is accused of a variety of misdeeds and bad personal behavior and told that if he changed that, women would have sex with him. If women told them they are simply subhuman by default and will always be seen as such, I'm sure… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 02:15 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?I'm pretty sure they're expected to marry, from what all of my middle-eastern contacts told me. So I don't think that counts as sex-crazed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 02:05 PM |
| 4 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?That poster did it first. And with proven history of trolling. "CIS-bitch" was a direct play on CIS-scum as a response to the "You don't know what a clitoris is" insult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 02:04 PM |
| 3 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Wouldn't be too far from the truth actually, particularly for women's magazines. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 03:48 AM |
| 5 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?You tell me. Because many people consider women's sexuality to be pure and celebrated in all of it's diversity, but the sexuality of certain diverse groups of men to be repulsive, annoying and therefore attack whenever they want to engage with women in sexual acts? that men commonly get shit if their sex drive is not through the roof Well if RP holds that view, then they are evidently wrong. Men only get for their perceived SMV, not for how much they choose to indulge in that SMV. From what I've… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 09:39 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?An orgasm is the whole reason to have a ONS. Wrong. Physical touching of any kind also releases oxytocin and can feel just as good. Otherwise nobody would enjoy kissing either. There is also a psychological element. a woman would be better off staying home and masturbating, so they do. Wrong again. Women's standards and sexual selection often has nothing to do with a man's ability to give them a vaginal orgasm. They don't pick sex partners with a phallic endurance or angling test. Its as hard fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 09:28 PM |
| 5 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Feminist magazines = the world? No, it's just a recorded fact that all feminist magazines have at least a couple of hypocritical stances and spend almost zero time criticizing other women while criticizing men for a myriad of things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 09:20 PM |
| 3 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Some orgasms are more intense than others, but regardless, the whole point is silly. You can't compare not having casual sex because of high standards to men who can't get sex because nobody is attracted to them. Women who can't get sex which is "good enough" belong in the same category of men who whine they can't get sex with athletic or super seductive women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 09:19 PM |
| 4 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?I'm not sure how those questions are even related to the topic, but.. Do you see a society somewhere that men are not considered "sex-obsessed"? The middle-east, Tibet? In fact, one of the ways men can get shamed is if they are considered not sex-obsessed ENOUGH. Then why are men who struggle to get laid often get chastised with the allegation that they are "obsessed with sex" or that they should stop thinking about getting laid because it makes them desperate or women don't like it ( Unless it'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 09:13 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?No, orgasm doesn't apply either. What's seen as an adequate orgasm for men isn't the same for women, and other disparities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 09:10 PM |
| 4 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?All of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 09:09 PM |
| 6 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Yeah, feminist magazines are also equally criticizing women just as much and under the same premises they criticize men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:58 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?If good sex Stopped reading right there. There is no universal definition of "Good sex". For some women good sex can only be muscular aggressive stud with a dominant personality, for plenty of men good sex can simply be "any friendly sharing of physical intimacy". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:56 PM |
| 2 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?I know. I said BPer's because it is a prevailing attitude in the mainstream, among anyone who isn't part of the "manosphere" for the most part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:52 PM |
| 3 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?Getting sex =/= find a guy you're attracted If men had the same standards as women, none of them would be able to have sex either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:51 PM |
| 9 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?http://www.bustle.com/articles/159136-why-women-are-attracted-to-risk-takers-for-casual-flings http://www.bustle.com/articles/145558-what-no-one-tells-you-about-hate-sex - Sex-pos feminist glorifying having "hate-sex" with men who hate her and rough her up. https://www.reddit.com/r/dirtypenpals/comments/2tr9ww/f4m_my_husbands_bully/ https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/4sh3a5/why_am_i_19f_almost_exclusively_attracted_to_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4n514o/whats_the_worst_rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:50 PM |
| 7 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?But these men ( Incels, FA's ) are not always RP guys ( Neither am I for that matter ), why would they be defined by what RP has coined? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:44 PM |
| 19 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?I'll keep posting random events and situations on a separate note her in order not to overburden the OP text field: Nerdy men's sexuality/romantic interest being shamed in newspaper, with commentary. A collage of women ( "Maybe Its because teenaged guys are too picky and only want the hottest girl to show off?" ), saying the same things as male incels, with complaints, or "bitterness", etc.., get supportive responses for it. Guy with Asperger's asks why he is ignored by woman, many insinuations/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?I added one, I'll search for more, like I said there are many situations registered in my memory, luckily though unlike most people I also archived some of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?There are sometimes generalized questions, I.E "Why do you think some guys can't find any women to have sex with them", Again, there have been backlashes in the past, I'm searching around too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 07:51 PM |
| 6 | Is there a toxic attitude to men's sexuality among "bluepillers"/liberal women?I'm not referring to a specific event, although I've seen many events like that over the years, from my memory more commonly on /r/AskWomen actually by men asking how to get laid or why he is unable to get laid. I have not saved them, but it happened several times. There have been huge dramas about it, when some guy went to ask and got snubbed for it. A lot of people remember those incidents. I'll try searching in some of my logs meanwhile, but so far the search bars won't even bring up the rele… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 07:37 PM |
| 0 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?It is strange, isn't it? One woman having thoughts or emotions that are different to another woman's? Yes, it is strange when those other women claim that you can't have different thoughts or emotions than them. He doesn't wear backwards baseball caps, he's not a jock, he can't be a fratbro because he's British I didn't realize you were taking the stereotype so literally. You know the reason why fratbros with backwards baseball caps are stereotyped in the first place is because of the stigma tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/16 03:37 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Your whole argument is premised on bad reading comprehension. You assume these women "These" women? So-called incel women? Never said anything about them. I said that statistically as a gender, there are as many women as men interested in casual sex, but unlike men, they can all get it. You ignore the fact that to some women, a ONS is more likely You are once again completely incapable of reading. Let me quote what I said "Most women who are interested in casual sex usually do have it, and those… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/16 08:20 PM |
| 2 | Redpill insights, courtesy of Lena Dunham and Amy SchumerDoesn't mean she believes she's advantaged in that position over men's ability to catch a pussy any time they want. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/09/16 08:36 AM |
| 1 | Redpill insights, courtesy of Lena Dunham and Amy SchumerHow much more explicit would you like her to be on that topic? Well, I somehow doubt that if I asked Amy Schumer "Does Hypergamy in our society's sexual dynamics exist?", she would say "Yes." | /r/TheRedPill | 03/09/16 08:20 AM |
| 3 | Q4Women: What was your Best Sexual Experience Like?He was an animal. A dimwitted, sexy, masculine animal. Strange, women often tell men who had trouble getting sex that they are not attracted to this description. Also, isn't that pretty much an identical stereotype of the Jockish Chad akin to "backwards-baseball-cap-wearing, pickup line spewing fratbro"? The connection is deeper, the focus on the other person as a person (i.e. not just as a sex object) Strange, women often claim that it's impossible for a woman to have sex when the focus is on t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/16 02:18 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?I don't respond to gaslighting and to the delirious, so you may continue this conversation with yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/16 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?but she's still a foreveralone Not really. so the topic's still about her. What the hell are you talking about? There is no limitation on topics in this sub, and I only asked a single question, everything else was about why she's an incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/16 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?What bias Nothing further to add? And I'm not even dismissive of legitimate male incels. I like the "legitimate" prefix in there. Sounds like you don't automatically accept anyone's struggle. placing women's romantic struggles in a box of "lesser pain and hardship." That's false. Did you even read the post? Evidently the answer is no, since you opted for strawman instead of quoting anything from my paragraphs. I said first there is a statistical hierarchy in which the male gender gets the short … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?It's inherently scientific and un-ideological actually. As someone who has seen no evidence of "female incels", I always look for an opportunity to test it by verifying the truthfulness of that. So far, every single woman questioned herself has confirmed that she in fact an incel, like the male incels. If any woman, in the fashion of a male incel, ever said to me to find a guy who'd be willing to have sex with her, and I could not do it, I would instantly adjust my beliefs based on the new obser… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 10:41 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?There is an hierarchy actually. I covered it in a post I made a while ago, which I will repost some key points from: First of all, we have a statistically higher number of sexually interested yet ungratified males than we do the equivalent statistic of women, which puts men as a gender on statistical inequality when it comes to desire for casual sex and ability to obtain it: most women who desire it do have casual sex, yet unlike men, they only want to do so with a highly cherrypicked number of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 10:30 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Frankly, there is no such a thing as a woman who can't get dates either. She said after all that she wasn't persistent in Online Dating, I doubt she couldn't have gotten a relationship if she messaged hundreds of guys like some men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatI call them men who are single or virgins by choice, obviously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?The question was posed since many women ( and bluepillers ) often rag on male incels for "not working hard enough", or becoming hopeless after a realistic amount of rejections, so when she said that she possessed the social intelligence not to pursue further, I asked if she would accept the same argument from male incels. as if that has anything to do with her struggle. I don't understand how would you like me to respond to her struggle? I think I responded exactly as your average BP'er responds… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 08:33 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?It's important because she called herself "female incel", to which I inquired what caused her to be an "incel", and she replied that incel is the wrong word. The conversation turned to male incels for the same reason bluepillers turn the conversation to women with a high partner count whenever redpillers glorify men with a high partner count. Because this is PurplePillDebate, so we want to know how certain users feel about the popular subjects and whether or not they are consistent in their view… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatThe situation is that something about you makes people "People" - Everyone keeps using this word, I don't think it means what they think it means. There are tons of incel men who get approached or interest from gay men or even transwomen, but never got approached by women. The word you're looking for is "Women", not people. Important distinction. Life is shitty and unfair and the only thing you can do is try to carve out something not terrible for yourself. It sucks to always have to approach. B… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 06:03 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Weren't those the same guys you said showed interest in casual sex with you in the first place? Makes sense they would want sex. And probably the more assertive, hormonal type of guys rather than the timid or shy ones too. Which is why it's a good idea to approach. That being said, did you explain to him you would only have sex in a serious relationship from the onset? Some guys might think of it as you not being attracted to them, although since you are a virgin, he probably should've understoo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatPutting aside the utterly humiliating, misandrist and exploitative notion of men having to do everything for a relationship with a woman who just stands there and wouldn't respect them for just standing there, I've already said, most incels probably put in as much effort as you did, most incels do try for years, not weeks or months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatProbably because you weren't thinking about it much and can't defend it. Which is fine, but you should do so when you're on a debate subreddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:40 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Ever tried online dating? I have a lot of sympathy for the nonmisogynistic male incels. Enough sympathy to attempt a date with any of them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Very well, I admit my mistake. It's odd though someone would say "More than 10", that could be 15 or a 100, in response to my question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:38 AM |
| 0 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Ever tried online dating? I had the social intelligence to realize there was no point in trying any further. I wonder if you would afford the same understanding to male incels who do not pursue directly with women by gauging disinterest or contempt? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatYou clearly don't understand the 80/20 rule. Although it gets really tiring to educate people who talk about concepts they never bothered educating themselves about, I'll still do the courtesy: 20/80 rule is like the Wealth inequality principle: In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country's total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country's wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. If we say that 1% … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:34 AM |
| 2 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatBy definition something isn't futile if it was accomplished. You're also forgetting that for each one of those people, there are a 1000 who crashed and burn. Most glaringly though, the scale in this comparison is laughable. Are you suggesting that humans generally have as much chance of getting laid as becoming Brad Pitt? You're forgetting that in all those industries, the trial and error was still within normal limits. Everyone struggles in the media/show business, especially if they want to be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Sounds like I interpreted her meaning correctly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:17 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatThere is also a two fold hypocrisy in the gendered double-standard of "Acceptance for me, conformism for thee" coming from many women. Acknowledge their personality and interests, don't condescend or make them feel negatively for their preferences. "You are beautiful the way you are" and "I was born this way" is the reigning social paradigm for absolutely everything when it comes to women. Their quirks, their flaws, everything. They encouraged by men and themselves to embrace their natural dispo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like Thatkeep bashing your head against that wall until it falls down. Literally the perfect analogy for your advice to incels. You just said it better than I ever could, I think my job here is done. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:45 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatOnly if you don't understand the 20/80 rule. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatIf the majority of posts on /r/incels consisted of guys who said they have never tried dating or sex ( Although there are valid reasons for subar males to avoid that ), yet still call themselves incels, you might have a point. However I highly doubt that strawman is true for even a fraction of the posters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatSome incels tried again with up to 500 women. Honestly, your idea that no incel ever tried asking out women is absurd, I hardly know if it even applies to the /r/incels community, and I can guarantee you it doesn't apply to the vast majority of incels/FA's/Love-shys | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:39 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatSeven. Seems like it's pretty obvious why "talking to women" worked for you yet doesn't work for all the incels who are a 3 or 5 even. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatJust off the bat here, rate your looks out of 10. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:35 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatI assure you almost all incels tried your approach and it ended in "No", and were blamed for not being subtle enough. Upon which they tried a more subtle approach and got blamed for not being straightforward enough. "GO OUT WITH ME PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE" I assure you very few incels ever actually considered such a method with the prediction that it will work. Part of that "Realizing there's no point to something" thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:34 AM |
| 2 | Not All Incels Are Like That/r/incels is not even a representative of 1% of incels regardless, despite the name. Even all of the incels who are active on the internet itself are not 1% of worldwide incels ( Men who can't get physical intimacy ). I'm reading posts by people who have given up. Have they, by any chance, given up after doing the same thing you did, and presumably failing? It's people saying "They just say no there's no point". At some point there really is no point. If you try becoming a nuclear scientist and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:32 AM |
| 0 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Wait, wait, wait. So when I asked you "How many men have you broached for an ONS/dating to determine if you're an incel, you were actually telling me how many men showed interest in you? Meaning you never actually approached any guy yourself for a relationship or otherwise, online or offline? ........ Guys my age never really paid attention to me with the exception of guys who wanted casual hookups. ........... Alright, well, at least you acknowledge the term incel doesn't apply here, although F… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:28 AM |
| 2 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Interestingly enough she never said that's what it means in the reply, I'm sorry to disappoint. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatI slut shame equally IRL though. Do you actually slut shame or as some bullshit banter? If it's the former you should probably seek sanctuary somewhere outside of TBP soon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:21 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatAre you seriously saying that the only reason someone could be foreveralone is having certain standards or not getting out much? That's true for you as a woman, not for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:19 AM |
| 2 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatThat's a view which TBP itself supports. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:17 AM |
| 0 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatIf only women could stop lying about the attitude they actually expect from those incels and tell them truth. You see, women repeat ad infinitum, very aggressively, that they want to be spoke to "Like a human being" or "Equally". This is, in fact, precisely what most incels do, and it is exactly what makes them fail. They talk to women as they would to any other guy, as they would to their nerdy friends. Women immediately get revolted because he's not being aggressive and dominating enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:15 AM |
| 3 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatWhat I did was talk to women and put myself out there This is the great feat which makes you hypothetically superior to hundreds of thousands of people that you are convinced have been "working" as hard as you? Talking to women? I assure you, 95% of Incels are talking to women and putting themselves out there, some of them have been rejected by hundreds and hundreds of women even. Are you sure that you're not projecting your own past and behavior of doing absolutely nothing to other people | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:12 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatWhat "meaningful attempt" resulted in your first sexual or romantic encounter, or all subsequent one, which you believe that incels are not doing? crickets | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:08 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatIf you see a guy who is fat, sits around on his ass all day, and eats nothing but McDonalds, but then complains that he can't get thin no matter what he tries, you're going to make fun of him But if you see a woman doing that, you don't make fun of her, because that's an anti-feminist, fat-shaming act of harassment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatI wonder why BPillers won't help them by having physical intimacy with them. After all, that's the solution given to many a "female incel" whenever they show up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Not All Incels Are Like ThatI have a problem with the focus on sex or the usage of the word because it gives cannon fodder to idiots who want to assert that incels only care about sex ( Which is somehow perfectly fine for an "exploring" college girl but wrong for an omega male, go figure, but let's skip that discussion ), whereas plenty of incels are actually more interested in a relationship. I think instead of "Sex" you should say "Physical intimacy", or "non-platonic attraction", which is a fundamental component of eith… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 03:59 AM |
| 0 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?Less than 10 in your entire life? Must've been quite the most ugly and desperate guys imaginable, and the most brutal rejections imaginable, for less than 10 people to make you think that you're an incel. Care to describe the details of some of those? Have you ever attempted then or now to find someone who is a male and proclaimed incel and hit it on with him? Have you ever visited a sex club or sex party, you know, the ones which only admit single women and couples into them, but not single men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 03:41 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?As with everything else about sexuality or coping, it entirely depends on the genetic neurology and environment effects of the individual. On the other hand, it does not seem to be true for the majority. Incels give up obtaining sex or relationship, however I'm pretty sure most of them still fap, watch porn, get attracted to women, and so forth. So no, most of them would not become asexual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 03:37 AM |
| 0 | Q4All: Do people that are unable to form relationships, "incels" and "ForeverAlones" become asexual or demisexual with time?I was a female incel for much of my youth How many men either online or offline have you broached for an ONS/dating and what were your standards, if you did? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/16 03:35 AM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Yes, it feels just as bad if not worse for the rare women who experience it, given they're also less resilient and capable of coping with loneliness than men ( Seeing as how it's mostly women who would commit suicide merely over a highschool breakup or being called a slut by some girls ), so I don't know how they'd deal with being an outcast. Fortunately for them though it's almost impossible to become outcasts thanks to the "hen pack" support network of women between themselves and their pedest… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 07:17 PM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Fat, obese, deformed, or otherwise, they are 99.9% of the time spared from the same severity of treatment as their male counterparts, in statistics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 07:05 PM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?So those guys that you would date if they didn't have a problem with intimacy, are guys which already have social value to other women ( They can get sex from women outside of prostitution ), but not the guys who can't ( Usually the shy nerdy type ). This would be doing neither me or him favours Would you have sex with that someone though? I assume this will be doing him a favour, since your work itself involves having sex with guys you find physically unattractive, which evidently they benefit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 06:06 PM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?You'll have to be more specific about what you mean by "afraid of intimacy", one one hand you say fear of being abandoned/getting unkind reactions, which would presumably be internalized by men on the nerdy/sheepish/sensitive side who got turned down or laughed at by women and have no choice but to resort to a prostitute. But then you also present a distinctly polar identity, saying they are not unattractive, afraid of being honest, and also very charismatic and successful, and almost 100% guara… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 05:39 PM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Well yes, the two which are not "lacing in value". I wonder, what is it that you consider "deeply wrong" about the other clients with extensive use of prostitutes, that would absolutely make them undatable human beings in your view? Other than the fact no other woman want to have sex with them, since I want to hear your own judgement of so-called individual merits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?First of all, I don't keep in touch with RP or the manosphere that much, so you're asking the wrong person, secondly, I wouldn't say it's a manosphere obsession, it's more of a conservative/European alt-right obsession, which has overlap with the manosphere due to a number of factors, for example because the manosphere doesn't abide by political correctness and draws that correlation. Lastly, I haven't seen a widespread obsession about Arab dudes taking their women, than Arab dudes raping their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 02:17 PM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Granted, it's worse than not being ugly and socially awkward. Don't know if I'd call it terrible for women from a romantic/sexual perspective though. Nerdy/ugly/socially awkward girls are Tindering and partying and dating and getting socially validated as much as any other girl these days thanks to a total monopoly on the SMP, not so for ugly and socially awkward. From a social perspective, there are few girls who have as terrible consequences as the most ugly and socially awkward of men, but in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 01:27 PM |
| 2 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?This is a result of psychological gender dimorphism. Female biology is rooted and being competed for and only mating with the victor. Women then balk at the smallest notion that sex or pairing should be managed by a non-competitive system, like traditional sexual morality or marriage laws, or external sets of values and rules that govern the quantity or nature of mating. Men have the reverse imperative, since their sexuality has evolved to fight for women and preferably reduce competition as muc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 12:33 PM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Yes, most people are in relationships, of course. Still, socially awkward and ugly girls though aren't left behind, since it seems like a lot of men don't really mind that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 11:56 AM |
| 2 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Also go to Europe where Arab guys pull major pussy From what Arab guys told me and from the interactions seen in Europe, this is not very true. I'd say it's equivalent to the amount of white women who prefer black men, which is actually pretty low, despite conceptions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 05:26 AM |
| 2 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?As Western culture has really fallen away in the last 20-30 years, the effects have translated to the corresponding parts of the composite modern Indian culture. Yes, that's what I meant. I know there would be "Westernization" in India for a long time obviously, since the days of the British colonialist period, but I use "westernization" interchangeably with progressivism/post-modernism often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 05:23 AM |
| 2 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?we used to like Thunderf00t and the Amazing Atheist before they turned out to be dicks. Before they started employing rationality on the religion of feminism as well as the Abrahamic religions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 05:19 AM |
| 1 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?You sense incorrectly. It would be the last thing bothering me. And of course you see non model guys with women, I never mentioned looks, did I? You did. Women are mostly very picky about someone being "alpha". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/16 05:17 AM |
| 2 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?I would be limited to being picky about things which my particular male brain could be called "picky" about ( Which would be completely alien to women's social value prioritization ), but if another man became a woman with his brain intact, he could have a total opposite pickiness than mine. He could be one of these guys who enjoy being financially abused or cuckolded, he could be one of those guys who is completely put off by emotional intimacy and wants a girl that will fuck him and kick him o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 08:36 PM |
| 4 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Yes, we're taking into account statistics. Because Indian/Asian ( For some reason you chose Asian, but it's the same principle, both work just fine ) men would also be X percent of the American population as X percent of Indian/Asian women, while White women are also 50% of the population, and my statement was that there are plenty of ethnic female/white male couples but not vice versa. In fact, an Indian or Asian male/Indian or Asian female couple would be more common than Indian or Asian male/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 08:14 PM |
| 6 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?You're still not getting it. If men became the gender with extra choice and women the gender with lesser choice, women would still not need to pay for sex or relationships, because men have infinite variety of likes, including opposites, and men are much less discerning naturally. Even the 1% of men who have many options are still incredibly less picky about sex, if they could have an orgy with 1000 average to hot women they probably would go for it, a woman would never do it, because women want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 08:09 PM |
| 3 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?That would only apply if you thought most of the guys deemed unworthy for free sex by women, including women worse looking than them, had a deficiency in physical appearance. Women claim this not to be the case. Regardless, I don't have a big looks criteria as it is, anything less than deformity or extreme obesity is perfectly fine, and I'd prefer someone with the same opinions as me and ugly than a hot one with more "value" any day, unlike women. better job, funnier, smarter This doesn't necess… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 07:22 PM |
| -1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Sounds like a role reversal of the west. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?No, I didn't, and no it doesn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient "The Orient means the East. It is a traditional (and archaic) designation for anything that belongs to the Eastern world, such as the Middle East (Near East) or the Far East" "The term "Orient" derives from the Latin word oriens meaning "east" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_studies "Oriental studies is the academic field of study that embraces Near Eastern and Far Eastern societies and cultures" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:59 PM |
| 2 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Yes, I imagine it happens in the major cities undergoing westernization. Of course, women everywhere in the world all have the impulse to go wild, but usually in more traditional places men are sheltered from witnessing it, as it gets less social acceptance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:52 PM |
| 3 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?You're forgetting that when talking to males instead of women, there is no uniform understanding of "better". Men, as the ones with practically unlimited seed, have an infinite variety of tastes. The qualities you prize, dominance, social status, excitement, ambition, whatever they are, do not necessarily have to mean "better" for me. I would judge my partner the same way I judge my friends, more along parameters of morality/honesty/worldview than anything else. And as for other men, there are t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:49 PM |
| 1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Indeed, especially if you come from a background in which women are still expected to adhere to certain guidelines, and you don't get to see them in their... full natural, liberated "glory" as a lot of western guys do from birth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:39 PM |
| 6 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Well, if I was magically transported into a female body with my brain intact, yet a sexual orientation for men, I wouldn't care in the slightest if they saw a prostitute. There are plenty of men who are romantically ( By women )/socially shunned I get along with perfectly, I would see no barrier to dating them if I was gay and they were gay either for that matter, for a more realistic scenario. Women are much more psychologically identical though, they have certain types of men that none of them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:36 PM |
| 3 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Yes, if you are chosen only as a "beta provider" which might happen to these men at a later age, it can lead to even more dire consequences. Did you date again when you moved back to India? I know things in the major cities are shifting more and more to westernization, but how much difference have you still noticed when going back? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:27 PM |
| 3 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?I don't disagree with anything. I know that more... "Puritan" techniques are much less likely to earn romantic or sexual attention, which is why I said, I think there is a sexuality crisis among men who previously still lived under the umbrella of these male-enforced dating traditions and now have to deal with a Brave New World. Are you absolutely sure that your flair is the right color, though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:24 PM |
| -1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?I think we should encourage more immigration, maybe if there were enough first-gen middle-easterners or Indians and Asians in the West, their dating model would become the "right" dating strategy. Which would be a very welcome and pleasant change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:11 PM |
| 3 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Well, as I've said, I used it because I couldn't think of something more accurate and recognizable that could be summed up to one label, if you know something more up-to-date which also isn't as constantly mistaken as "Asian", let me know. Also, you should probably tell all these folk to change their name if they don't want to be thought of as out-of-touch racist uncles from 1965. Would be pretty ironic though, since most of them are going to be Oriental themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?Yeah, as I've said in my opinion, Asians have had more time and integration to get "Westernized" and learn the "Western culture" of dating. and call all the assertive, socially dominant people 'brutes' It was just one of the impressions in that list. Actually being, or alternatively feigning 'Brutish' attitude will certainly get someone farther than doormat/polite 50's nerd attitude. Attraction to bullies in highschool/college or to "Bad Boy" celebrities or attacking/getting up in the face of ot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 06:03 PM |
| 7 | Is there a "beta crisis" among Oriental males in western society?"Eastern" was pretty vague to describe all the ethnic groups and "Asian" has the connotation of only being about East Asians, so I went with Oriental to include Indian, Middle-eastern and Asian in one word that seemed most fitting. I also didn't realize Oriental/Occidental have become racist terms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 05:56 PM |
| 3 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Well, you did say "It indicates he's lacking in value. If other women didn't find him attractive, what aren't you seeing?", and then that you would date one but it depends on the circumstances, I assumed you meant the same thing as /u/lollygagyo, that you wouldn't want to date someone who had to see prostitutes because he lacked value enough to get sex without paying for it, but that you would consider it if it was not the motive? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 05:34 PM |
| 10 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Depends on how you define "deeply wrong". In the current deranged and unbelievably female-centric western dating/casual sex market, it only takes some shyness/timidness or not being the loudest, hottest winner in the room to fail at getting laid. If women, who usually need to do absolutely nothing if they want a fling, had to follow the same procedures as men to get it, like 70% of them would fail and we'd have to assume they are defective and there's something "deeply wrong" with them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 05:09 PM |
| 3 | why do women hate or are uncomfortable with the idea of prostitution and with the idea of their partner having past experiences with prostitutes?Would that change how you saw this person? Would that make you think twice about being friends with this person? No, I'm a man, I don't have any hardwired and unshakeable mental propensity for herd behavior and basing all of my decisions on the judgement of the herd. If someone had to pay for friends, I'd assume it could be because he couldn't find someone tolerant or open-minded enough to his particular quirks, or maybe because he's a shitty friend. Either way, I have to investigate for myself.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?There's many guys in relationships without "demontrating social value over other men" having some sort of social status or mastering some pickup techniques But that's exactly what it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/16 05:38 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Assumption. We don't know why that particular girl fetishized him We know he wasn't fetishized before that though. You think it's fame, but there are actually famous incels who are not fetishized, while all famous psychopaths have a much more excessive fetish cult around them. They whine a lot and describe our society as horrible, unfair place that is in a deep crisis. FAwomen do the same, from their own feminist or victimized perspectives. They still had to outright ban men from hitting on them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/16 10:35 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I haven't seen women who deliberately sought out incels. I don't know about Elliot Rodger, but in his case, it would only show that garnering interest worked for him by displaying Dark Triad/psychopathic traits, which he couldn't have acquired as an incel before that. Let's pose you a simple question - There are plenty of women who have posted and visited incel-related subs like /r/FA, yet there are almost zero dating propositions from women there. On the other hand, /r/FAwomen, despite being si… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/16 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Yes, but I only bring up the famous examples as illustration. There are many women who profess ( admittedly ) an attraction to the bad boy archetype, and fawn over these guys, which does not seem to be the case for your average incel. And "Shy loner" in mainstream speech basically means "Ryan Gosling" to most girls, we're thinking more about "Autistic ostracized guy" here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/16 05:18 PM |
| 1 | UK police are now going to count "unwanted VERBAL contact in the street" as a HATE crime. Is this a new low in the UK?So now every interaction with a woman is a hate crime if she decided she doesn't like it, while men can still be interacted with in any way by a woman. Maybe feminist should just champion a complete segregation of all untermensch males from females at this point, while keeping an elite caste of alpha ubermensch to entertain their sex-positivity. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/16 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsThank you for the contribution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/16 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsAt least you're enjoying yourself, because I'm kind of saddened that someone can be so delusional and ignorant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/16 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsexpecting women to be their sex toys and emotional providers Yep, here were go again. I don't gain anything from arguing with a lunatic who spouts incoherent strawman arguments though, and has no idea what he's talking about, so have fun in crazy land. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/16 11:41 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsBecause you're flinging retarded accusations to justify your middle ground fallacy between male and female incels. From claiming they never try anything, that they are entitled, and now that they want to use those women as backup plans. All the while giving no criticism to those female "incels" whatsoever, as if they are saints and all the male incels are scum. Female incels want to be in a relationship with a man who is interested in dating them because he's attracted to them. Male incels have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/16 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsAgain, what the fuck are you talking about? Who were you quoting? How is this relevant at all to the comment chain? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/16 08:13 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsThey're completely fine with being Chad's tinder backup plan you insane troll. What the hell are you even talking about? How is calling yourself a "female incel" while refusing to date any male incel equivalent to a backup plan? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/16 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsWrong. Plenty of non-incel men are attracted to masculine women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/16 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsMen are attracted to feminine women. Wrong. Men are attracted to any woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/16 02:28 AM |
| 2 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsWhiteknight of the year award right there. These guys try much more than any self-proclaimed "incel woman does". Why do female incels feel entitled to men's time and effort when they won't even message a single incel guy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/16 02:28 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsNot really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/16 02:26 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsAttraction =/= sexual foreplay. No idea who are you quoting or what are you talking about though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/16 02:25 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsIf those relationships are so normal, loving and meaningful, then I'm sure buying her as a wife with money shouldn't be necessary in the first place. I have no doubt incels would be just fine with meeting foreign girls and dating or marrying them outside of such a service. I've had many relationship and many sex partners. I've had girls fall for me so hard they almost went crazy. I'm sure you did, since women enjoy being played. But pay attention to the word "loving" in "how to conduct a loving … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/16 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsEnglish is a substandard language, but this is the plural You. Incels. I'm not an incel. Millions of people live in such arrangements. And they have loving and meaningful lives. They are normal relationships. Even more millions of people live in arranged marriages, and they have loving and meaningful lives. Why don't you suggest that incels move to Africa or the Middle-east and ask the father of some woman for her hand, which as westerners that can pay a large sum of dowry, should not be too har… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/16 07:46 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsMaybe you can be that some. No thanks. Well I'd think one of the things that makes it hard for you What is it with the "you"? Who knows, maybe it will work. Maybe it won't work. If incels wanted to pay desperate women money for feigned companionship, they could just go to a hooker instead. I mean, maybe the hooker will automatically start enjoying the sex, so it's the same as any casual encounter. Okay dude, you've had your fun. But I think it's time to scrap this "mailbride order" meme. Find a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/16 07:33 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsLove grows automatically Bold statement. Maybe for some people. What makes you so speciel It's not about me. What makes incels so special that it won't work for them? Same thing which makes them so special that getting a relationship how 99% of humans do it doesn't work for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/16 06:53 AM |
| 0 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsYou have a terrible reading comprehension. You truly are too old for this shit. 14% of men aged 25-45 in the US are virgins, not incels, correct. Which is why it's not unreasonable math to think that so much as 0.5% or 1% out of those 14% would be men that ARE incels, in addition to begin virgins. And I apply the same statistic to reddit. Reddit has over 200 million users, and more men than women. But let's be generous and say there are 100 million men. If only 1% WERE VIRGINS FOR ANY REASON, ju… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 08:21 PM |
| 0 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsAnd 40,000 subscribers, most of whom are women What the ever living fuck? Most of /r/ForeverAlone subscribers are women? Where did you pull that from? 99% of threads and posts are from males and in all the surveys men almost completely dominate the board. You're thinking of /r/ForeverAloneWomen, where all the female "incels" go to complain about Chad or their ex. People who turn down dates don't count in your words. You definition is men who would date or have sex with ANYONE who was willing but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsDo you never get tried of this insanity? Of being obtuse with a straight face? Things they won't settle for like what, having a relationship with other men, having a relationship with a goat? Yes, this is a totally valid comparison to high-earning women who turn down any man who isn't as successful as them. Honestly I'd love to look in your face when you type this gibberish. otherwise you'd just import yourself a mail-order bride. They aren't slaves in western countries, you know? They can divor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsFunny, but no. Those subs weren't created as dedicated zones to post individual girls and shame them. highly educated women and/or women with high status jobs. The latter, which is their own kind of incels Yes, highly educated women and ones with high status jobs often have a hard time finding relationships because they won't settle for anything less than an equally or more high-earning and successful male. That's not what "incel" means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 05:52 PM |
| 0 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsWell, depends on what we mean by incel. Guys who don't receive interest from women? Probably. I mean, there are 40,000 people on /r/ForeverAlone, which is just one such sub, and for people who actively identify that way. But if we don't know how many are incels, then there's really no way to judge anything. But there are much more guys on reddit who complained about not having relationships over the years. There are a lot of so-called eccentric/socially unacceptable guys - "neckbeards", "fedoras… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?It's not what I want, rather what I assume some guys want. Not that I would be against it, but women wouldn't treat me like other women anyway, so there's no point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsRight, according to you there are only "dozens" of incels on all of reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsCrazy cat ladies don't get their own hate subs with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?I can't take on an exaggerated behavior. I would tell you to take on the behavior of your fellow women to reject any man who isn't "confident" or macho or aggressive enough, and then you'll have less men assertively seeking sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 05:16 PM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsThe female "incels" seem to have a peculiar absence of preference for incel men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsI think you should look at the combined FA/incel subs subscribers, and then think of the ones who self-identify but aren't subscribed in particular. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 04:46 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsNo, it isn't a club, but it's a way for someone to share fondness or affection with you. And a very significant one, at that. While being recognized as an incel is not something so important. Yet women still chide men, who coined the term incel, for not sympathizing with women's own definition of "incel" and pushing them out. So they should be able to realize very clearly why male incels are also offended that those women will share physical intimacy with anyone except them, and shut them out. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 02:29 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsNever feel discriminated or offended that you aren't allowed to participate in one of society's commonplace and normal activities? I know that for women at least, they feel offended and discriminated enough if a male-only club exists, and apparently the female incels championed by OP think it's discriminating and wrong to "shut them out" of incel spaces. Yet they manage to be surprised men feel the same about being shut out of physical intimacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?They don't, which is a psychological mindset influenced by evolution. Males are disposable. Males aren't valuable. You remind me of the song from My Fair Lady, "Why Can't a Woman Be More Like a Man?" Thanks for telling me about it. A good song. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsBut as for sex, if you couldn't have it for the rest of your life, and got rejected every time you wanted to, while seeing everyone else engaging in it without any reservations and hear it talked about everywhere, do you sincerely believe you won't feel bad, get angry, or feel self-pity even once? I myself don't identify as incel, because I got LDR interest from a woman once. And I don't find it silly or trivial at all that men who haven't would feel much worse. Even about something so meager as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Couples won't respect looking for friendship? Speaking of couples and the above reason, one more pattern on every single subreddits, is that women are always much more willing to comment and agree to sexual advertisements from couples, even joining as a third wheel, than they are to respond to any romantic or sexual post from a male. In all likelihood because of these reasons | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 12:34 AM |
| 3 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsjust that I haven't seen it in women. Selective bias. I've seen men call women whores and complain that they're not getting sex in the same breath. I think that's disgusting. You think it's disgusting. But do you think the statement is technically impossible, or contradictory? Many of those who are incels complain primarily about not getting sex, and I think that's silly. Actually a minority. Spend some time on subs like /r/foreveralone with 40,000 users, 90% of complaints are about having no gi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 12:26 AM |
| 2 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?One question - If you didn't have a SO, would you ever comment on a male's dating ad? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 12:16 AM |
| 3 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsI've read accounts of female incels who got rejected by male incels Hardly "male incels". Women don't even post on incel subs enough to be rejected by anything more than a tiny percentage of the chads they do approach. why don't you ask them? I did, when it wasn't ignored or feigned innocence by quickly retracted excuses, the honest answer was that they are simply repulsed by male incels for showing weakness and not being manly enough. Sounds like a problem with incels, I think everyone should b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/16 12:13 AM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Yes, biology. Women don't value men enough to approach them, they want men to show their strength so they can be impressed. Women are the accommodated party. Men are the ones who need to value them enough to accommodate them. To get people to rewire their biology you'd have an easier time of it than shouting at the wind You can't get people to rewire their biology, but you can rewire it though. If you have enough armed muscle and doctors on your side. wombs and females have higher levels of stre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:53 PM |
| 13 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsI want to know why female "incels" can't be attracted to a single male incel, the very ones they want to be embraced by. Also, last time I checked men who called themselves incels and said they can't negotiate attraction and won't sleep with a fat girl or something like this, got shit from /r/niceguys, got shit from "incel women", and got shit from every woman on reddit on how they can't call themselves incel if they still have standards for women. But when women do it, nobody should say anythin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:42 PM |
| 4 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsThere are hopeless self-pitying women there too aplenty. There are women like that everywhere. Here's an extreme example. Maybe you would see female "incels" like that more if you weren't so busy whiteknighting them. I understand if you feel down by not having sex It's not just sex, if at all. There's a reason most male incels won't go to a hooker. It's about never feeling romantic affection or love for your entire life, which all psychologists confirm is one of the most positive effects on huma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:39 PM |
| 4 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsEven their motives are actually quite comparable. Both insults are used to shame a perceived deficiency in masculinity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:26 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?You're making the same chronological error that GridReXX did. Chicken and the egg time loop. Why did men deliver cheeseburgers to women's door in the first place? The answer would be the same answer as to why women never deliver any cheeseburgers themselves, because that's the effect of the cause. And the original cause is biology. Men have always been bringing the cheeseburgers to women's doorstep, because men evolved, and always have been, predisposed to valuing females and female company more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:11 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?They do demonstrate dominance over other men or masculine strength/emotional hardness that females find attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:07 PM |
| 7 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsWhat will it take to make any one of the hundreds of thousands of incels on reddit worthy enough to be dated in the eyes of her royal majesty, her excellency, the first of her name, the female "incel"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:05 PM |
| 8 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsShaming sexuality is very comparable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:02 PM |
| 6 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incels/r/ForeverAloneWomen. This image even made it to /r/niceguys, where female submissions don't happen often. I will shit on, because that's stupid. You shit on people for feeling hopeless or because they do something you consider stupid? Flair doesn't check out. P.S - When it comes to women calling out an imaginary agenda against them, ever heard about rape culture and the patriarchy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 11:01 PM |
| 4 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsWell, they aren't known as incels in real life, but many of the incels write that the women in their social environment know more or less what they are, and that doesn't result in any sympathy. But you could easily do all of that on the internet too. Give someone a kind word. Offer to meet up. Never happens. Female incels dehumanize male incels so much, they want absolutely no interactions with them, only to argue with them and victimize. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 10:57 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Evidently they don't ascribe great value to the companionship or friendship of the average man if they never bother pursuing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 10:54 PM |
| 2 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsYet nobody shits on female "incels" who made it their identity. Moreso those who unlike the males, still have demands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 10:44 PM |
| 19 | Showerthoughts on Male vs Female incelsIt's not that they get shut down for "having no right to complain", it's that incel has an agreed connotation, and females don't fit it, yet still insist on appropriating the term. You can argue until you're blue in the face that Chad not wanting you feels just as bad as being completely ostracized and romantically deprived for the rest of your life by everyone. But even if that was true, it doesn't fall under the category of incel. Why do women call themselves incel? What social validation are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 10:42 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Good old "Women PM". No, they don't mysteriously PM just as much but somehow don't comment at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Not taking an active role indicates they don't value men enough to actively pursue them. And not sure what you mean by "feminine girls". There aren't any masculine girls replying to men either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 08:52 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?They value the attention they get, they don't value men enough to give that attention back. As for femininity and masculinity, don't seen any woman replying to those men at all, feminine or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Mostly yes, something around 60%. But the proportion of female respondents to female reddit users is still astronomically small. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Yes, and I would like to hear the "diverse" opinion on why. I don't think that If I asked this on /r/AskWomen, the prevailing answer would be "We are biologically programmed not to engage with men". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Is women's sexual freedom a positive force in society?Didn't expect any other answer from a self-identified misanthrope that condemns misogyny, somehow. Go figure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Is women's sexual freedom a positive force in society?I don't think you've read the definition of tone policing. Or just "tone" for that matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Is women's sexual freedom a positive force in society?Never said you have a reason, just like they no reason to sympathize with you. You can keep trying to disprove their concerns, mock them, and hurt their feelings, just try not to be such a gigantic hypocrite is what I asked. Just like it's stupid to criticize telling men to "Stop being depressed, be happy, socialize more, toughen up!" and then go around doing so yourself. Can't stop you from being a self-contradicting hypocrite either though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:08 PM |
| 1 | Is women's sexual freedom a positive force in society?Not all of TRP's, there have been quite a few of them, including in recent incel-related threads on the front page right now, firmly sympathizing with them, justifying them, and backing them up, which you would be hard-pressed to find a single bluepiller doing. But yes, there's a significant percentage of TRPers who crop on betas and omegas, and them and you are both different sides of the same coin. As you can see, I also don't have a TRP flair. I'm just baffled at the hypocrisy you display. At… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?As I said before, it doesn't matter. "Why don't women comment" is the same question as "Why don't women visit". Women who aren't interested in talking to men, aren't gonna lurk either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 06:42 PM |
| -1 | Is women's sexual freedom a positive force in society?I'm not talking about that particular thread, rather about all the rest of your qualms about men and gender in society. But as a matter of fact, as a misanthrope, why should anyone even care about your agency, or whether you live or die? I would trade away your agency for a Coca Cola bottle. Is there a reason not to? Cute strawman Are you calling your own strawman cute? I still don't understand how much cognitive dissonance it takes to chide this attitude in others and yet doing the same thing y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 06:29 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?If she's getting all of this validation on her own post Chicken and the egg. She gets all of this validation from her own post, because women barely reply to men, leading men to reply a lot to women in the first place. The effect doesn't come before the cause. Your rationale doesn't address the prime catalyst. Which is, you're right, biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:42 PM |
| 1 | Is women's sexual freedom a positive force in society?There are men who sympathize with their own grievances and discomforts and don't care about the feminist cause, shocking, I know. Not being able Not the contradiction. It's mocking the shitty advice of "Essentially: "don't be depressed just be happy! Socialize more! Toughen up." when it comes from TRP yet replying with the exact same bitchy and irrational demeanor to men. "Don't be depressed, just be happy!" is identical to your own posts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?You asked me to come up with reasons for the men on r4r, not myself, I don't post there. Yes, wanting emotional support or a more "gentle" connection could be part of it, since men perceive women in that manner ( Even though they really aren't that sensitive to men's feelings ) Also if a woman thinks you're only interested in her because she's a woman she's not going to think any of your engagement is "platonic," which may affect how she subsequently engages with you. Which doesn't deter men, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Theoretically, for the same reason men reply to F4M posts of women who want validation/flirty chats/dating/sexting/experiencing a different friendship dynamic with men, I guess? The reasons can be the same as men - because you're lonely, because you casually browsed the sub and saw a guy who seems cute or interesting and shares the same interests, which some of your friends perhaps might not, because you want to meet people, because you're shy or socially incompetent and interacting online is ea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:31 PM |
| -1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?I don't know, some men really want to know why 50% of the population treats significant worse for having a penis compared to how lovey dovey they act with their fellow women. So they try seeing if there's any woman who's fine with speaking to them as equals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:23 PM |
| 1 | Is women's sexual freedom a positive force in society?You seem to be extremely sympathetic to women's slightest discomforts or grievances though. Also, Jesus Christ, the contradictions Being called a creep or not getting laid because of your garbage personality So Anders Breivik, Ted Bundy, Neo-Nazi's, and sadists who get laid an aren't call creep don't have a garbage personality? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:14 PM |
| 0 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?The statistics are preposterous. Like looking at some candy and it's 5000 calories would be "preposterous". It's just an exclamation of awe. How is it women's fault that men reply more? I'm sensing sour grapes. You sense a lot of bullshit. Also, you aren't using the "sour grapes" buzzword correctly. I know it felt like your birthday ever since you learned that new meme from the internet, but you have to know what it means first before spouting it everywhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Women tend to want more close friendships? Yet somehow they have much many more "superficial" standards than men do. They want a lot of sexual "chemistry" rather. Their expectations of men are remarkably different than those of close friends. I actually replied to 8 ads and got 7 replies that weren't just after friendship (unlike stated in the ads) first I see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 05:01 PM |
| 0 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?So a biologically hardwired reason. And when you are looking for people to hang out with, have you ever thought of messaging a man's platonic ad asking to hang out with him, instead of creating your own ad and waiting for men to message you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:49 PM |
| -1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?I'm skimming though all the M4R posts which make it clear they aren't looking for more, and the comment ratio remains mostly the same. At the same time, I'm looking at the F4R which stress out not looking for more, and commenters who acknowledge that, or even posts for help with language over the internet or something like that, and they still get more comments. You could claim every single one of those guys is actually pining for more if you want ( Which probably won't be true and can't be back… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Even though it's not reliable for lurkers, if you want a sub-specific demographic of posts at least on r4r, it looks something like 60% male to 40% female. If you visit it right now, you can see F-titled posts are not that scarce. As for the sort of people who visit the sub and why, you can look at the threads. There doesn't seem to be a fixated massive difference. many female profiles looking for dates, sexual exchanges, or "entertainment", like males do. One minor difference is that women seem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?I'm mostly interested in women's answer to this, since they often claim men and women can feel and think the same and heatedly deny being picky and seeing men as disposable. So I really want to know if every single guy on reddit is seen as so inferior that there's no reason to communicate with him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?It's practically the same question. If 99% of men but only 1% of women are visiting this sub, the question would still be "Why are women much less likely to comment on those subs?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?In your OP you clearly didn't take in on how reddit is like 90% of men. That's because I don't take false statistics into account. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1wtnkd/subreddit_gender_ratios_oc/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#Demographics | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Ok, let's say so. Why aren't there any women replying to the more requests? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?That's correct, not because they are "more empathetic" though. Hardly ever seen women expressing as much empathy to men's desperation or depression as vice versa. They just tend to flock together. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:02 PM |
| 3 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Why do some women post on F4M posts, tinder, and dating websites saying they are just "Looking for new friends"? And why women won't comment on the romantic ones? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 04:00 PM |
| -1 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?Well, the question here was why women are much less likely to comment on men's online profiles, not just why they don't. Why do more men think strange women from the internet have a place in their list, but women don't? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:46 AM |
| 0 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?I know about this study. Still, I'll mention once again, the most baffling thing of all is that even on M4F and F4M threads which aren't about dating or sex, just friendly interaction, the pattern is exactly the same. Even F4F posts are more popular. And that encompasses more than just sexuality, but also female entitlement and seeing men as their inferiors in general. Why bother take interest in or communicate with someone that you think you're so much better than, and clearly doesn't deserve t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:36 AM |
| 2 | Why are women much less likely to comment on men's online profiles?What's even more preposterous is that the non-sexual threads from men don't get any replies either, while non-sexual ones from females still get just as much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 07:17 AM |
| 6 | Are most vocal incels Red Pill washouts?No. Most incels are "unicorn-hunters", who hope to find a woman who will love them as they are, rather than fake PUA techniques to attract them. Then you have the two polar opposites of incels - the "Uncle Tom" whiteknights who would hate TRP on grounds of being misogynist, deceitful, treating women like objects, or something like that, and actually thinking doing the opposite will make them more attractive since that's what they've heard from feminists. On the "darker" side you have guys who ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 06:44 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Virgin? But I did explicitly say that. You're not doing a very fine job at searching, I see. But you're hilarious if you think you're fooling anyone. Why would I care enough to fool you? You're enough of a fool as it is. Are you a secret chad Where the hell did I say I'm a secret Chad? Cute meathead, before you start criticizing FA's or getting butthurt about their theories, you should probably know that there's a vast gray zone between "FA" and "Chad" first. Not everyone who doesn't identify as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?No i don't want a confession but you seem to be unable to answer a simple question of if you're FA or not. Then you must be blind, as well as ignorant. I told you I never identified as such, and told you the answer is no in the past. you're one because you post in a community for kissless virgins and rant about women? I'm sure it all seems like "ranting about women" to you, when anything slightly negative or non-conformist immediately springs your whiteknight reflexes. But, in my posts over ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?So the reason you stalk me is to force a confession out of me that I'm an FA and a loser? unlike reactionary keyboard warriors such as you, I see nothing wrong with FA's. I believe they are humans. If you want to think of me as FA, you are welcome to do so. I'm afraid it won't change the fact that you'll still be an idiot, though. It's cute to see them write grand theories about women and society. It's cute to see someone who is unable to understand that it's possible to know something without s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 12:29 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?No, you should feel humiliated that you thought you are very smart by mocking me, and yet your questions are completely laughable garbage. But you don't have the mental capacity to realize that. If I told you I'm a loser and FA, will it satisfy your trolling for the day? I mean, why is it so interesting or noteworthy to you? Again, you seem to be obsessed with gaslighting me, not sure why. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 12:19 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Have you seen the kind of links they sent me? Everyone in those threads themselves either replied with disbelief or called it bait. The only one with some moderate suspension of disbelief was in /r/confession, and it wasn't specifically relating to incels. And my own "troll link" could easily be replicated by you, which you refuse to do. I, however, can't replicate any circumstance of saying that I'm an incel looking for a woman with an incel fetish to have sex with, and actually get any results… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?You've already proven yourself a retard, no need to seek another humiliation now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/16 12:11 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?And it seems that "Alphaness" - dominance, stoicism, fearlessness, whatever form of masculinity it can be identified as, is not just a universally attractive trait, but also a practical guarantee for the attraction of some women even when merged along with any other traits, that could be ostensibly unattractive. Meanwhile, it seems that all the men who are unattractive to almost every woman , or a varied sample of women, even outliers, are those who do not possess it in sufficient quantity, rega… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 10:09 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?It's not a matter of belief, but of biological reality. Men have "infinite" sperm to waste, there will always be someone attracted to a given female. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 10:03 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?You seem to be obsessed with me. Every single thread, asking pointless questions, and telling me I'm FA when I never said so. This will be the second time you troll in that manner. Besides, did it hurt much when your parents dropped you on your head? What a stupid question. You can know scientists invent things by being intelligent, yet not invent anything yourself because you are not intelligent enough. You can know that a vendor wants money from you, yet not being able to pay him because you'r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Were you expecting a peer-reviewed journal? This is the best you'll get, and it isn't photoshopped trolling. If you're going to claim everything is a photoshopped forgery then you lost the argument. If you distrust it so much, you could take that picture of yours and put it up on craiglist and PoF yourself, see if you really have as low chances as male incels. Of course, you're not going to do that, so you can persist in your ideology. Also that doesn't take the femnazi personality into account … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?You're wrong, there have even been quite a few experiments showing evidence to the contrary. There are men who would stick their dick in any hole, but women are selective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I said self-proclaimed female incels are flooded with requests. A feminazi who looks like that in particularly might not be "flooded" with requests, but there are certainly men who would be willing to date her, often times just as ugly as her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?You could easily rephrase the question as "What makes a man so unattractive that the whole female gender won't see any appeal in him", if you want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 04:02 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?It's not a circular argument. The question would be what can make a man unattractive to every woman, in a way that every other man isn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 12:20 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Really? What gay men describes themselves as attracted to neet neckbeards who do nothing with their lives? Why not talk to some and ask? I did. They do exist. Have you talked to women your own age and offered to share your knowledge and insight to the female mind with them? Yes, thanks for asking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 12:19 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?You would also think that no one finding rapist serial killers attractive or not falling in love with their personality should be obvious, but women still do that. And as for NEET neckbeards, which we aren't even talking about, "no one" is a false statement, since women aren't the sole gender on the planet, as much as you put their pussy on the pedestal. There are plenty of gay men who are fine with things women aren't fine with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 02:57 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?It has a lot to do with the gender divide, which is the primary dimorphism not just in humanity, but in all species. Two overwhelmingly different biological beings with different and often clashing evolutionary imperatives, which leads to all the confusion and communication shortages, both between men and women, and for the men and women who attempt to speak on behalf of or from the perspective of the opposite gender. Since male and female logic really are a thing, those differences really might… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 01:44 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Yes, it feels like none of those arguments ever progress anywhere, especially here, often with women. I find myself constantly repeating the obvious, like the part of not knowing someone's age, looks, where they live - non-sequitur, because a lot of couples meet like that on reddit/video games/forums and only inquire after talking about mutual interests. Stuff like that. Even debates about politics are more productive, have less deflections, and so on. An argument between a Nazi and a Jew is mor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 01:06 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Do they actually fantasize about that, though? Not just a lonely man, but someone rejected, ostracized who never got any affection? And the real-life version of it, of say someone very autistic or very unsuccessful, not the brooding stranger of fantasy? ( Regardless of looks ) I would say the prerequisite to be really hot exists because they don't actually find that kind of personality attractive, but being really hot can just make up for everything, so they would fantasize about any really hot … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 12:38 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?The men that no woman can be attracted to helps us decipher the common denominators which women are attracted to, and that's noteworthy because most women deny the results of that exercise by reduction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Well, I don't really use the tag in the same way blackpill blogs do, I also haven't made many thoughtful posts lately, only common sense, but thanks anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 12:30 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Who said anything about good and bad? women who don't have anything else going on are still expected to carry on house duties and take care of children no? Firstly, attraction to someone can be just a one-night stand, too. Secondly, there are men who don't expect women to do anything, at least as girlfriends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 10:23 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I'm very set in my ways, because you don't know how to answer? Because you want to claim women don't date/have sex with FA's since they get pushed out, when they have never been pushed out from /r/ForeverAlone, and if some guys do feel they have no room for them, is because those women wouldn't date any FA guy in the first place? When FAwomen start actively going to FA asking to date men, and somehow get pushed out, then I'll consider other perspectives. You are completely unwilling to consider … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 06:01 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?/r/ForeverAlone has plenty of room for women, so do many LoveShy forums. And TIL rapists and thugs and bad boys have more room for women. Regardless, way to go on switching cause and effect. The reason "FA women" are pushed out is because they claim to be FA yet completely refuse to date any FA man whatsoever. That's the reason they aren't FA, and goes to show even they don't find FA men attractive. Maybe those "FA women" shouldn't push away incel men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?For the guys who self-identify as incels in those communities, real life isn't so different. They don't receive any interest. In the internet, they seem to occupy a special place in terms of ostracism. I could ask women if they'll fuck a guy from TRP, some will say yes, like TRPwives or TRP women, and such. I can ask if they'll fuck neo-nazi's on Whiterights or racists on coontown, yes, there are women posting there with the same ideology. I can ask if they'll fuck men who are rapists and crimin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 05:42 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?An incel could be a self-identifying one, but, I imagine there is a large portion of them who don't show assertiveness, value, power and so on. Perhaps it is the very "self-pitying" as women refer to it or hopelessly, of the act of calling yourself an incel, and expressing despair or depression that you will never get laid, which turns women off particularly from the incel communities, rather than some random late-bloomer. There are enough women who know about incels communities and such to say … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?would a skinny guy who is aggressive, assertive, confident and isn't afraid of going after what he wants/breaking the law still be considered masculine and thus sexually desired by women? Well, there have been. Ted Bundy had a pretty frail build. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?There is a difference between nervous man and and "eager to please/grateful for any female contact", again, do you disagree women often say that "desperation reeks" and pedestalizing them isn't attractive or being a doormat isn't attractive? There's a difference between sexually submissive and social submissive, I don't know how these men acted in the date before the sex. Many women have fantasies that they don't want to play out in real life in case it doesn't live up to their expectations. So … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 05:04 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?This | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?That's identical to alpha then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Well, I'm not saying attractiveness doesn't play a part, or that being ugly isn't a major disadvantage, I don't think someone who looks like this can ever hope to impress women by being alpha enough. But I did see average incels who look better than a few below-average men, who could use "game" and masculinity to generate sex appeal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:49 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Not Brad Pitt incels, but some who are more physically attractive than several physically unattractive guys who still do get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Yes, indeed, women are attracted to alpha males, which is why they aren't attracted to incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:37 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?It destroys the fantasy that these men are eager to please, unsullied by the world around them, and grateful for any female contact. Even this fantasy doesn't actually exist. It's called being desperate, clingy, a doormat, a lapdog and pedestalizing by women. Where are the women that are attracted to "Innocent unsullied virgins eager to pleasure and grateful for any female contact"? Is there anywhere in the internet or in the world where I can say "I'm a virgin who is just looking to please and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?If by "healthy and successful children" who mean a child who will simply have the right genes to impregnate other women and continue the bloodline, yes. Seeing as how many women get knocked up by Alpha deadbeats who don't breed healthy or successful children by any other measure, except for being as Alpha as their dad when it comes to slaying pussy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:25 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Well, there are bad boys and criminals who aren't that particularly attractive, or incels who are much more attractive than them, but it's their personality as serial killers which captivates women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?If we want to equalize fatherhood with "good genetics" then it's the same description as "Alpha", yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?They would have to be exceptionally attractive, which is a form of power, I guess. But while women can also be attracted to conventionally unattractive criminals or bad boys because of their "Dark Triad" personality, they aren't attracted to the personalities incels have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:21 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?So there are women who fetishize the bitterness and rage of serial killing rapists, or how they could cure them with their love, but no outlier of women who would want to cure an incel woman with their love. Is that it? My major point being, yes, some women are turned on by incels, they just don't dig the bitterness. Why don't they dig the bitterness, when they dig so many other fucked up things in sex and men? You ignored my last question about whether a lot of men are attracted to angry, misan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:19 PM |
| 0 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Alpha behavior. Sure, I'll concede that. As for fatherhood, I don't think so, studies have shown women have cad/dad modes of attraction, where sometimes they want quick lays with someone that would make a terrible father, and later on someone that would make a good provider. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:17 PM |
| 0 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Okay, it's official. You have some kind of problem with delusion. It wasn't even posted from a throwaway. It was literally posted from a throwaway. /u/hornyforincel, only that single thread made on Trucels. You didn't even look at that have you? Again, insanity. Here is another example! A throwaway which you said "Isn't even from a throwaway", with sentences like "I don't want a Chad or a Muslim lover" and "I want a 'nice guy", which has been called out as obvious bait by every single poster. Se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:15 PM |
| 0 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Lobster Boy is a fine example of how a murderer and total nutjob who is even deformed can still get women because his behavior is seen as manly and alpha. Again, why are you telling me "everyone can succeed"? This is not the subject of the debate, the subject is that women can be attracted to any man as long as he is alpha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:08 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I am OP, and my entire point was that incels are not attractive because they have no masculine energy ( They are not alpha ), while every other man in existence who does have it can be fetishized or found attractive by certain women. So yes, you are agreeing with my OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:06 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Yes, women like "masculine energy" or as I like to call it, Alpha. As long as that trait is present, everything else can be ignored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?We are talking about outliers of attraction here. There are TONS of men attracted to women without jobs, education, friends, and so on. There are TONS of women dating who have NOTHING GOING IN THEIR LIFE. There are no women attracted to men without any societal achievements. Men like this are ostracized by women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:54 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?which is in and of itself a signifier of masculinity. Well fucking great, thanks a lot. Women are attracted to these guys for being alpha and masculine, incels aren't. Case closed. And really? Incels want to get fucked by this lady? Yes, see pig woman experiment. And no, she's not the female equivalent, not all incels look so bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Said nothing about money. These guys showed power/dominance one way or another, by their actions or charisma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:52 PM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Again, I don't know their attractiveness, social status, charisma, etc, I only know incels are defined by being rejected by a huge sample of women. What's the difference between these men who couldn't lose their virginity until someone sought them out vs "Incels"? I don't know their circumstances, but as others replied here, incels are usually perceived as having bad personalities and no redeeming qualities. This seems like a terrible way to meet a person. You don't know their age, what they loo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:51 PM |
| 0 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?And yes, by declaring themselves "Incel" they are volunteering to remove themselves from the game. No they don't, I can call myself a corpse and still live. And yes, female incels don't try - and look where they are? They get interest from MEN WHO DON'T TRY! Which male incels would love to get interest from "women who don't try" because that's enough for them, but women being hypergamous are not okay with. And anyway, you're going completely off-topic here. The subject isn't what incels should s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:46 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I'm not the only one who expressed view that it was a pretty sketchy post, especially when she said she more gets off on the idea she knows she can hurt those men and that she doesn't actually love them. Furthermore, she said "men who feel unattractive". This can be the brooding guy at the bar who broke up with his girlfriends and feels bad for all we know, not your average Christian Weston Chandler. Regardless, someone else said there have been women submitting offers in truecels. If it seems r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?and is kind of a baseline requirement for all human beings. Not for women. A man may not necessarily be rich or handsome or powerful but he can have other qualities which a particular partner finds resonates with her more than his simple "space in the hierarchy" does. Being rich is the extreme end of the spectrum. But usually a man will need to have qualities which are dominant to some degree. Some bad boy might not be all that tough or charismatic, but he still exudes enough of it to attract a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:39 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?HAAAA. All you have to do on r/foreveralone is say "I'm a woman and I'm incel" and you will get so much hate. They literally don't think women can be equal to men in terms of loneliness. They can't, precisely because they would never, ever in their life offer to date any single one of the guys over there. And if they did they would get instant agreement. I don't know what to tell you man, there are a handful of women who post on r/truecels looking for men to date. Don't you feel skeptical that i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:34 PM |
| 0 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?They don't, she never spoke about incels. I'm not looking for excuses to complain, I honestly want to know why incels get no interest when so many other men including rapists and criminals do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:28 PM |
| 0 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?There is no hamstering here. If women attracted to actual self-identified incels were really as marginally common as claimed, why don't we see them posting in incel communities every few pages or so? Except for dubious once in a lifetime troll posts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?First of all, false presumption. Many incels don't "voluntarily remove themselves from the game". Secondly, there are millions of men who aren't doing what you're doing and women still find attractive. Finally, the female "incels" on /r/ForeverAloneWomen are no different in their efforts versus their demands than male incels, and they still get flooded with interest. Male incels don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:18 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Incel =/= virgin. Incel is specifically a virgin who has had systematic misfortune with getting laid. If you think it's the same thing, then where are all the women showing up in incel forums and asking to take their virginity? I mean, the women in your article seek out those guys. Where are all the women seeking out incels? There are probably hundreds of millions of women who are fully aware of the "NiceGuys" as they call them or "fedoras" or "losers who whine about not getting laid". Nobody ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Of course they can distinguish. There is a vast difference between a man with a dominant personality or beautiful face who chooses to be a virgin and incel who can't get laid because no woman wants him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?They downvote people who spit out unjustified criticism, platitudes or women who come to say how they have it so much worse than males. Go there to try and date someone and you'll be upvoted to the top of the page. As for your link, that is interesting, but I think it might be a troll. Or more of a rape/degradation fetish as posters have said. So again, how many men fetishize the "extreme feminists" that are so similar to incel men? I never said they are so similar, they are not similar at all. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:13 PM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I look for the common denominator in all the men who get attraction and all the men who don't. And it seems to be along the lines of "Capability to achieve goals in society", or being able to show they can outperform men in some aspects. So for serial killers, it would be their innate aggression/courage/cockiness to overpower people and kill them and their fearlessness from the law perhaps. For bad boys/bullies, likewise it's their no-holds-barred macho attitude of doing what they want and getti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:08 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Incels are just the losers who refuse to play the game So no outlier of women attracted to these men exist ( contrary to self-proclaimed female incels who are bombarded with interest while refusing to play any game as well and just crying about how they want love ). You are agreeing with that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Yes, and in their fantasies It's not just fantasies, they send them love letters, they visit them, they break them out of jail and marry them http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3509600/Muslim-asylum-seeker-rapist-sneaked-jail-married-Swiss-prison-officer-lover-captured-Italy-month-run.html If that's what you call a fantasy then why is there no such fantasy for incels? Question: Why do some serial killers NOT have a fan base? Too many unknown ones to cover. But unknown ones can also have a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?And yet we have subs like the mainstream /r/ForeverAlone which is completely moderated by the PC police without any sexism, racism, discrimination, offending women, etc.. allowed whatsoever. And yet I see just as many women showing up there to profess their attraction as I do on /r/truecels. And again, I've seen an outlier of women who were still attracted to men who horrible attitudes towards them, including men who thought they need to be abused for the slightest error even. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?And yet there are women attracted to bad boys they don't even know by the prospect of "filling the holes in their heart" exactly for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:58 PM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?It would not, because there must only be some degree. That's why incels are often labelled "Omega" - someone who has no power or dominance whatsoever due to being completely ostracized from society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:57 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Replied to susandeath about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?That or you're an outlier. Even if I'm an outlier then there would still be no female outlier, as for the reality of redeeming qualities, many men fantasize about it as a redeeming quality in itself, the fact that they feel they could relate to or support a loser woman. A feeling loser women don't have for the men. How do you define incel? Are we talking about all/most/some/few women? An adult who has failed to acquire any sexual/romantic interest from women after trying with sizable sample ( At… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Accepted, but sketchy. Men who feel unattractive are not necessarily incels, and women are notorious for leaving out details about those things, and the OP does seem a bit absent-minded in the thread. She certainly doesn't say that she will approach a man that has been continually rejected. We're not sure just how badly those guys appearance or "awkwardness" really is especially as far as normal people in a normal environment, unlike incels, are concerned. There's practically tens of millions of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:45 PM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Well, if there existed a small enough percentage of women who are attracted to incels to leave a trace of their existence by periodic love letters or a statement of desiring to have sex with one of those men, we could say that a fetishization of self-identified incels exists, even if they lose that identity afterwards. Just like there are women attracted to virgins, even if they stop being virgins as soon as she has sex with them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:39 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I did actually prove it to her. Both of what she wanted. First she asked for a proof that incels would be salivating over a shut-in loser woman, I told her it can be demonstrated via the scientific experiment, just like everything else can be proven - Go to a couple of those communities, make such a post, and see if you garner any interest ( AKA replicate the results of my claim ). Refusal. Then she asked if these women exist, I told her to browse through the posting history of any incel forum o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:36 PM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I do. That's the position I'm debating for. Almost every single man no matter his personality or what he does can be fetishized by women, as long as he is masculine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:31 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?The thing is, those "nerd girl" fantasies the girl is still attractive. Honestly, not always. Attraction to homely/fat nerdy girls is a thing. As for threatening to rape, I haven't heard of hardly 0.1% of incels who did that, and furthermore, there are women that would marry literal rapists. So threatening to rape women can't be the common denominator for why incels are unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:30 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?but they're outliers. Of course. That's what I said. Why are there female outliers for every men EXCEPT for the incel men? You single out the common denominator as attractiveness. I don't think that's true, because many of the incels don't look much worse than many types of men which are fetishized, like a married man in his 40's with a beer guy or some of the criminals. Therefore I do not see attractiveness as the common denominator. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?And a lot of those people are either seriously ugly or mentally not right. Seriously ugly, yes, "mentally not right", that is your subjective label. But doesn't matter, incels do approach women, so that's no the reason there is no attraction for them. No, you fantasized about a certain kind of loser girl, maybe even a twisted girl, but I'm willing to bet your fantasies of that type of girl still have her possessing redeeming qualities. Even if you'd like to tell me what I fantasize about, there … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:25 PM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Well, there is a popular conception of guys who are "neckbeards" or "sexless losers" of a sort. They are an archetype just like bad boys, criminals, drug addicts, mysterious men, foreign men, etc.. Are there any women who fetishize about "saving" a nerd loser or whatever by having sex with him or "helping him with love" ( Like the woman who said she wants to support Breivik with her love for his isolation in jail ), and so on? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?But it's pretty hard to be successful with women when literally the thought of taking to a woman sends you into a panic attack, and you're depressed enough to not even bother trying in the first place. A lot of incels do approach and talk with women, some of them with over 200, still incels. Disagree. A woman who is perceived as a loser weirdo would not be fantasized about. I fantasized about it, and I know many other men who did, and you could follow my advice to go to any incel community and a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?You are so wrong on many levels. Social anxiety or depression or mental health can't be the common denominator because there are women attracted to guys with those mental health issues who aren't incels. Yes. Disturbed, weirdo? Not so much. Not "Not so much", no women fantasized about the pathetic weirdo at all. The disturbed weirdo? Not so much. Much more than the 0 women who did on males. How do we know this? You could easily present yourself as a disturbed lazy pathetic do-nothing weirdo male… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?If it happened there would be no male incels left since there would be a subset of women willing to send them love letters and offer them relationships. Just like we can assert for no sure there are no giant purple rubber ducks in the universe because none are seen in our observations, even though we didn't look at every corner of the universe. We do so judging by the sample we have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:25 AM |
| 0 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Someone who repeatedly fails to get any interest from the opposite sex. Which is not synonymous with virgin. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:22 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Yes, social discussions don't have a solid scientific proof attached to them. Neither does any other argument you ever made on this sub. My argument is based solely on the fact I never saw it happen to incels, never heard it from any incel, and that you can visit any of those communities and see there aren't any women posting love letters to the guys there. You scroll back to every post made there and see there are none. If you want a mathematical equation that proves it, then stop talking with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:13 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Male virgins =/= incels. Try again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:10 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?That's something which has been debunked very thoughly, because there are many women who are still attracted to "broken men" who need parenting and emotional labor. In fact, that's their fantasy, parenting him and emotionally laboring to make him whole again or good again or whatever other bullshit teenage shit they hamster. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:07 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Sexually submissive =/= socially submissive. You know what, let me ask you what my OP does - why do you think there aren't any female Dommes or females of any kind who have an attraction to the men who visit /r/ForeverUnwanted or /r/Trucels or any other attraction to the idea of fucking an incel? Remember, if it's a trait shared by other men that some women are attracted to, then it's not it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:06 AM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?The guys who get love letters from women in jail don't approach and converse with them either. Idolizied serial killers who kidnapped women and abused them didn't approach and converse either. And hybristophilia is not a representation of normal sexuality any more than any other paraphilia. I know. And I'm asking you for the final time, why is there no paraphilia among women for incels? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 02:04 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?I linked you some: ForeverAloneDating, ForeverUnwanted, Truecels, etc.. ), imageboards like 4chan You can literally prove it with the scientific method. Go there, say you are a woman like that who's looking for a man who's into it, and you can see for yourself if my claims are right or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:59 AM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?That's in bed, but we're talking about personality ( I.E the criminals get love letters because of personality, not sexuality in bed ). Most female dommes wouldn't want a male partner who is a meek doormat outside of bed. Just like some women who enjoy degradation in bed wouldn't want it to happen outside of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:56 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Women who love or want to fix incels for being incels like they do with criminals or bad boys, etc..? Nope. The proof you're asking me for is to prove a negative, or a proof of absence. Can't be done in a single link, but in all of my time on these communities or talking to incels, I never heard a single one who got love letters for being an incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:54 AM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?i'm basing this on your description of these men; if you don't like it, describe them differently? I did, the fact you thought they have Zooey Deschanel in mind is what I disagreed with, and corrected. then i guess you'll have to provide an example. There's no single example, just like any other demographic with a particular sexuality or attraction, they are spread out. But in some communities they are concentrated, I've offered examples - the various FA communities on reddit ( ForeverAloneDatin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:52 AM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?If not one out of 6 billion women are attracted to incels because they have bad social skills, but there are hundreds of women sending love letters to schizophrenic rapists, then they must have more social skills than incels, seeing as how they do have a subset of women that show interest in them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:46 AM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?So rapists have more social skills than an incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:42 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Well you better believe it, because unlike every other man in existence, there has never been a single woman showing interest in some incel as part of a fetish, like these women sending out love letters to criminals. they like a very specific thing, for reasons i don't understand. Exactly, so why isn't there at least one woman in the world who also likes incels for reasons we can't understand? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:41 AM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Yes guys that are far outside the norm, but you don't know anything about. And we're not talking about real women specifically here, we're talking about what these guys want in a girlfriend/sexual partner. And Zooey Deschanel is definitely not that, in fact they rather despise "fake nerd girls". there is a community of women out there that are into that too, even the savior part of it Which community of women do you think would be into extremely lonely, isolated, socially awkward and eccentric i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?There are a lot of them who do though. Things that make male incels become incels, what they are seen as unattractive because of - insecurity, shyness, meekness, extreme introversion, lack of social or sexual experience, are fetishized in quite a lot of male communities. But attraction side, there must also be a reason that not one woman will view them as potential partner, but there are women who would view other demographics of similarly fringe males as partners. I want to know what is the com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:36 AM |
| 2 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Why is there no appeal particularly for this man, while for other men which most people might think you have to be completely crazy to find appeal in ( I.E criminals, rapists, etc.. ), there is still appeal for a few women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?So there is a preference for "alpha males" in every shade and color, that as long as they can be classified as alpha, some women will like them, which doesn't hold true for incels, since they do not exhibit any alpha traits, and therefore no woman is going to fetishize them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Well, incel would imply someone who is simply unable to get laid. And yes I do wonder why there aren't some women who fetishize that or want to "fix" that, seeing as how there are thousands of different conditions that they will fetishize. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:23 AM |
| 8 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Not talking about shy or quirky, and fantasy is perhaps the wrong word. I'm talking about the droves of men in places like r9k or gaming forums or /r/ForeverAloneDating who will literally drool over a woman who says she is socially retarded, does nothing with her life, and stays at home all day. Make a profile like that and you'll get hundreds of men professing their love for you. I don't know of any woman who could possibly be attracted to the male equivalent, or else incels won't exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?Question: Why aren't there any women attracted to incels, unlike segments of women who are attracted to every other specieman of male? Possible answers: "Unlike all those other men, incels have a shitty personality" - debunked "Unlike all those other men, incels won't work on themselves..: - Debunked, many women have plenty of fantasies about redeeming a man who is a total trainwreck "Well unlike all those other men, incels are negative..." - Debunked, There are women attracted to brooding, nega… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:17 AM |
| 3 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?My premise is that the spectrum of traits women can be attracted to must include some degree of "Alphaness", and the reason not a single woman is attracted to incels, is due to their lack of it. If every woman is not attracted to incels, but can be attracted to any other type of male, then that is what I mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?I complain about people having to do PDA's generally. Most often about straight ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:08 AM |
| 7 | Are incels a proof of the universal attraction for Alpha men?The thread is literally titled "Have you given up", since most incels keep trying and failing. Some incels message hundreds of women with no luck. Meanwhile, not a single woman on earth ever shows any active interest in incels, unlike men that could be considered far worse in any aspect who get active love letters from women, have tumblr blogs dedicated to idolizing them by women, and get told they would have a relationship with them by women, etc. And this is not about being dominated in bed, r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?Well we were talking more about harassment in online games or in general rather than what happens when you turn down someone. But anyway, the statement is not wrong. It is still rarer than "faggot" or "homo" or "you're gay" for a man. It's mentioned so frequently it's almost a staple of insulting another male, while dyke exists, but not as often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 06:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsYes, there is. Depression is an incredibly serious issue. So is chronic pain or that which is brought on by a physical illness, both are serious issues that a patient cannot simply end. That's why I said there is no difference. I recommended turning to friends and family for support during tough times. You said that your advice to all male and female incels is try reaching out to their families. Not your advice for people "having a tough time". Some incel's only problem is the fact they cannot f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 06:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsI wasn't talking about pain from an illness, either physical or mental. I was clearly talking about an unhealthy attitude of self-pity. You have missed the point. There is no difference. Pain is a neurochemical signal, what you call "self-pity", or a drop in serotonin.dopamine levels, is also a neurochemical reaction to terrible circumstances. Reaching out to family for support =/= Fucking your family. Oh, you completely misunderstood. I know what you meant. I was implying that it's cringeworthy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 03:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsStatistically speaking, incels in their 20's are a tiny anomaly as well. And the ones I see on places like trucels and Foreverwanted are even more extreme than that - guys who mostly never had any positive social interaction with the opposite sex, never kissed, touched, hugged, never dated, never flirted with or shown any kind of interest in as sexual human beings. Do you have any idea in what position that puts them? On the 0.00000000000000000001% bottom of the barrel in terms of their love lif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 03:36 PM |
| 3 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?Men do get personal attacks which wouldn't occur if they weren't males all the time. Virgin, neckbeard, pussy, homosexual as an insult ( While lesbian for women is much rarer as an insult ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 11:02 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsI need to disagree, especially since I've spoken with a few "incels" (mostly from FA or TRP communities). They're mostly just young people, typically struggling with depression and/or an anxiety disorder. I must question both your anecdote and your observation, especially since you have a vested interest in not acknowledging anyone as an incel. An actual incel is someone who has never gotten any romantic or sexual interest in his entire life as an adult, which puts him in the 0.1% percentile of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 10:51 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsNo. Well great. Pain is a neurochemical reaction which can't be so easily "ended", and so are emotions. Stupid. No. You're the one who said it in relation to incels. Except when illnesses and ailments (physical, mental, etc.) go unaddressed and untreated. Sure. But being a self-proclaimed "incel" doesn't excuse being a cunt. You're bound to be called out. So male incels are cunts and therefore, they should let TBP's superior criticism affect them and their perspective on life, but not perhaps TR… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 10:48 AM |
| 1 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?One possibility here is that guys are sending their own fantasies because they already know yours, and want to know if you are compatible. There are a lot of male spammers on craiglist too, sure, but it would be required to talk with some to see if they actually read the full profile or not. Also, craiglist sample seems to be skewed, because in reality it's usually the opposite - men are the ones who worry most about their performance and standing up to women's criteria, which is evident in all … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/16 10:42 AM |
| 5 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?Foreplay isn't so distinct from the "play" in sex. Orgasm can be achieved other way. And there are plenty of men who want to enjoy a good foreplay too. At any rate, I think the complaint lacks validity as long as women don't put in their equal share of messaging and proactive interest in giving pleasure on the messages they send. If and when guys get messages just as much women, we can cross-examine the styles and determine if there is a greater deficiency in the male gender. But right now it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 11:11 PM |
| 6 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?Quite hypocritical, considering women are doing exactly the same - all that matters is what they want and what men can do for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 11:03 PM |
| 5 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?There are some men who won't be satisfied by it and don't like a dead fish in bed. Regardless, you can't justifiably demand something from men when you won't even put the slightest bit of effort into messaging them for their own pleasure. What's worse, men ignoring women's standards for worthwhile sex, or women ignoring the majority of men completely, waiting to be served like primadonas? Both are lazy and entitled. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Why Women Need To Start Asking Men Out…Because Men Have No BallsThere's no door-holding, no hand-holding and definitely no free drinks. There’s no taking off hats or courting through invitations. There are no smooth moves, no jackets to dinner. There are no flowers, no tables by candlelight. But, most importantly, there are no dates. But there is. They all hang out on /r/cringe, /r/justneckbeardthings, /r/niceguys, and tumblr blogs such as Fedoras of OkCupid, where your feminist friends shame them and make fun of them for being "archaic pedestalizing weirdos… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/16 09:32 PM |
| 4 | Q4 Women: Ever pretended to be a guy in online dating?Also, even if I said I wanted a man of a certain race or age, I would get responses from every man. Probably because a lot of people think it's wise to spout that attraction is so "dynamic" and if there is "chemistry" then a woman could be attracted to someone she wouldn't otherwise be, which gives them an incentive to try. but it's from men that don't give a fuck about her desires or plan to please her. Well, it's not as if women are patiently reading the posts of the average craiglist guy and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 09:06 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsThanks, I still don't know what the hell you're talking about with a "uniquely awful and terrible predicament" though, since I only brought it up in the first place to say it's shared by quite a few males ( Although a minority in humanity ) Also, forgot a paragraph: Are you telling me you're just 18? No, 18 years of general education, and 21 years old now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 08:58 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsIt’s quite arrogant to assume that of all the young men who have ever lived that your predicament is somehow uniquely awful, uniquely terrible. It’s almost a kind of inverted narcissism. I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. Where did I say my predicament is unique? It was explicitly in the context of incels who have the same background. Is it rare, though? Yes, extremely. Being shunned by the entire opposite sex for a lifetime is something that only happens to 0.00001% of peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 08:51 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsThe thing with so-called ‘incels’ - male or female - is that they are often oblivious to signals sent their way or when even they get the hint You have absolutely no idea what the actual male incels are like, and the kind of treatment they get from women, do you? I don't even call myself an incel, and the only "signals" and "hints" I've gotten from women in 18 years was when they would ask to move chairs if I sat next to them, refused to be with me in a group assignment, even under threat of pun… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 07:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsMale incels would put in the effort if they could, they just don't know how. It's like telling someone with 80 IQ to "put in the effort" to solve a quantum physics riddle. No matter how hard they think or how much you teach them, it's highly possible their brain will simply never be capable of processing the information. On the other hand, choose an outlet of effort that both the incel and unintelligent guy know how to perform. Tell the incel if he does a certain repetitive task ( Hauling, arran… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 07:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsEnd the self-pity. Terrific advice. It should be extended to other areas. For example, doctors should tell patients with a glass shard in their eye or a broken knee to "End the screaming". Don't fester in your depression. Additionally, that they should not fester in their pain. Get help. Reach out to family, friends, professionals, etc. Get help....for your incel problem of not getting laid...by reaching out to your family. That's....that's...I'm sure it sounds about right for a bluepiller's fam… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 07:27 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsYeah. The lowest 10% of men and women will have it equally difficult I take it you never visit r4r or /r/ForeverAloneDating. Or OkCupid. Or Tinder. Or your local sex club. Or your local BBW fetish hookup forum. Or.. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 07:17 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsA lot of male incels have the same problem. Two men I know who are virgins Virgins =/= incels. Those two men you knew would get booted out from any incel forum if they mentioned they got hit on by women. That's because a pity fuck A prostitute isn't even a pity fuck, which most incels wouldn't have minded. A prostitute is like paying 100$ to a psychologist just so you can pretend he is your friend. When someone offers to be your friend out of pity, at least he has feelings for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 07:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsI'm just one dude obviously, but I think what I've described covers quite a lot of non-scumbag men (a scumbag man would look at the same reaction and move in thinking he has a good chance of pressuring someone who is that shy into bed). Or option B: A non-scumbag man who prefers shyness and wants to have casual sex and/or a relationship. ( And subsequently rejected by OP, of course ) and especially with a charming and pretty young woman such as yourself! I wonder when a male incel was ever calle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 07:08 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsHow about all those female "incels" just ask out the male incels, like their male counterparts have no problem doing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 06:59 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsFalse, male incels couldn't possibly be putting themselves out there more than they already do. Usually with zero standards, dozens of dating profiles and approaching every woman in existence. Male incels don't get advice. They get told that surely they must be worse than Hitler and some vague taunt to "work on themselves" that can't possibly be falsified, ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 06:57 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsAlso the paragraph about the person you're asking finding your awkward attempts to be cute gets swapped out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 06:55 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Female incels have it worse than male incelsa lot of geeky guys are terrified of women. With good reason, as Scott Aaaronson once pointed out. The rhetoric towards guys like these and their sexuality on social networks borders on the intensity and demonization of Nazi propaganda. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/16 06:54 PM |
| 1 | What happens when a sex-positive feminist on Bustle is indistinguishable from a Redpiller?Well, the article fancies itself as pertaining to all women, that's what's funny, is that it was written by a sex-positive feminist on a feminist magazine. A fact of reality does not necessarily correspond to how someone should ethically act. Oh, I definitely agree, not a single woman should act like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/16 01:07 PM |
| 1 | Women who always seem to get "bad apples": Is it a problem with how these women select their men, or is it a problem with men in general?I really hate how the word "Good" has been conflated with "Attractive". Semantically speaking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/16 12:51 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Okay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/16 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I don't think men filter it out, they just have much higher tolerance. Most men will find the idea of not having sex with a girl because of her stupid laugh absurd, even if can hear it very well. Imagine someone who starts being hysteric and yelling as soon as he needs to, or getting stabbed with a needle, as opposed to some war veteran who'll brush off most non-critical injuries. Men usually aren't annoyed by everything as much as women are. You'll have to do something really significant like r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/16 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Not a strawman, hypothetical. Regardless of what the content is, there is no overnight strategy that will make the Hikkikomori attractive to women unless he first stops being one. And I'll have fun with my reality, thank you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I already told you, not interested, I've looked at it because you can't stop saying how it disproves my position, which it doesn't. I don't care how long you think it takes, those improvements to SMV were exactly what I was talking about. Your SMV needs to be high enough before you start seducing women. You can literally read the book and make improvements overnight. Only if your SMV is sufficiently high after improvement, which is what you don't understand. Here's a quick example - let's take o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 09:58 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Millions of guys (and girls) living at home with the parents? Yes. With no intention of working or studying or socializing, that's basically what Hikkikomori's are famous for. Read the part about the "2030 problem". Millions of guys that fulfill every criteria on your list? I call bullshit there. Many do, you can keep calling bullshit all you want yet you refuse to even make a single fucking mouse click to another subreddit to ask guys around there. That doesn't automatically mean they have no w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 09:44 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?No, there are literally millions of guys that you called a "waste of human life" living in Japan alone. And there isn't a shortage of them in the West, either. I gave you wikipedia articles. Like the UCSB shooter that perceived himself as having a much less sexual prospects than he actually had. Jesus, enough about Elliot already. Is that the only contact you had with men that are social deviants? Seeing Elliot on the news? He's not a representative of anyone. You don't want to look at the wikip… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Ok, this is getting tiring. So you think improving the traits I've listed in my SMV is part of your "strategy" as well, great, you shouldn't have argued with my original comment. then yes that type of a complete waste of human life is pretty rare. First you claim it doesn't exist and those guys are mythical unicorns, now it's up to pretty rare. It's pretty rare compared to the human world population, yes, which means there are millions of guys like that. So not a "mythical unicorn". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 09:13 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?This is your mythical unicorn repulsive guy. This is where I tell you that even if you're 90 years old that the men outside your social bubble are invisible to you and my experience is 1000% more qualified than yours, because I actually spend a lot of time around men like this, while you don't. Even if you want to think they don't exist, you haven't visited a single one of their communities to hear why they think so, while I did, been there for years. Are you claiming you fill that definition? I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I understand your point perfectly. I have seen men you might describe as "SMV=1" that were actually "SMV range = 1-3" who made some basic improvements and were right back into the normal range. So the range doesn't fluctuate much, and they needed to make improvements before getting back to the normal range, not just changing strategy. Are you even reading what I'm saying? Here it is in simplified form - A guy with no ambitions, bad social skills, unkempt looks and hygiene, who is insecure, not p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 08:25 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Listen, you haven't seen enough men outside of the club to know there are people out there who are just repulsive. Do you know how many autistic/"neckbeard" guys maximize their "strategy" as you call it by hanging out in comic-cons, or hitting only on shy/nerdy girls with similar interests which are supposed to be more receptive, or trying to positively market the fact they do nothing but play video games all day, it doesn't fucking work, because none of those women are attracted to them, just l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 08:15 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Its like anything. You don't transform overnight. So SMV isn't "moment-to-moment" in that case. That was what I said - I can know what someone's SMV is at the time he gives me the relevant information, not what he's going to transform to after reading self-help books. However...it doesn't take long to start seeing some progress. But which progress are you talking about? Strategies, at least judging by your examples of what a "strategy" is, are not progressive. Going to a rave instead of a concer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 04:45 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Insisting on some people's "hopelessness" is another argument entirely which I'm not touching. Right now I'm simply insisting to you that some people can't suddenly change their prospects with some kind of "strategy" or different clothing or different dating platform without working on their behavior, social skills and possibly looks or status first. Learning seduction by the way, is part of changing your personality and your attitude in how you interact with women, not just a different style or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 04:17 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Mythical? they have their own subreddits, plenty of websites, and presence on imageboards. There are psychological studies on that, men who have extreme inability to get romantic or sexual interest no matter in which environment they are or what strategy they use. Google "Love shy study". On TRP itself there are guys who don't have any success regardless of what they're trying. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, there are millions of men like that. Most of them asked out plenty of different… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I am saying that the language I see these new school red pillers But I'm not a redpiller, or new school. "SMV" is just a more convenient term to describe overall attractiveness/sex appeal without using the word "attractive" because it gets confused only for physical attractiveness, while your SMV is everything which helps you romantically or sexually, I.E status, personality. sound a lot less flexible and a lot less adjustable moment to moment than is actually the reality. We have the opposite p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Yes and this is where we disagree because I think good looks is subjective once you get passed some obvious thresholds of course. Those obvious thresholds are what's giving my SMV it's margin of error. A skinny Ryan Gosling lookalike can be just as good looking to a large percentage of women as any bodybuilder, sure. An obese guy with acne....not so much. I take off some points his SMV. He's very talented with a music instrument though? Add some points. This "new school" SMV method has never fai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/16 10:52 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?No, that's why I'm cautious about putting food near pets. Likewise, I have an version for the social ordeals of sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/16 10:16 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?The other thing this list doesn't take into account is the dynamic nature of context. It doesn't have to. In the field of consensual dating or hooking up in the western world at least. There is no environment in which having low charisma, success, intelligence, talent or social skills play in your favor. Those things raise your SMV no matter where you are or what woman you approach, and drastically downgrades it when you don't have them. You're thinking about personality "types". You're thinking… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 10:00 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Believe that some women just like to fuck, like men do, no. Believe that some women just like to fuck guys they feel a psychological affinity for, yes. Nothing I say can possibly convince you so I'm done. If you could point out the way for me to somewhere in which women say "I just want to fuck, any guy who's average/hot/whatever will do", then I'll revise my....absolutist stance. But remember, it must be a woman who just wants a man to fuck, and doesn't care about your background or what you ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I have also gotten laid entirely because another FWB told them that I "give good orgasms" (if I say it it doesn't really hold much weight, but hearing it from a friend they believed it). Exactly, women have infinitely more attraction to men who already fucked other women. It lets them know you've already impressed another female enough to have sex with her. It means you are successful. It gives you the appeal of a man with abundance who isn't desperate. That's social status on it's own, and the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?This is psudeo science. Of course it's "pseudo science", what did you think this is, a peer-reviewed neurological research? SMV is just another way of saying "attractive" ( Physical and personality ) or "unattractive", like every human on earth has said at some point in his life. One doesn't shower, wears stained ragged clothes, doesn't brush their teeth and has wild unkempt hair. The other showers, brushes teeth, has a brand new outfit appropriate for the type of music and spends an hour gettin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?There is no point on continuing the discussion so long as you ignore the most fundamental, basic thing that I do not assert about women, but conclude from their own confirmation - They will not have sex with a stranger, even if they didn't think he was dangerous, before getting the hang of his personality. Every woman I talked to in this thread, mostly BP ones, said it. I'm not saying women do not enjoy sex, I'm not saying women don't place importance on good orgasms, sexual positions and proper… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?You can always get laid when you want. You cannot get laid with every guy you want though. But many men can't get laid with anyone at all at any time. But that's ok because I'm not entitled to sex just because I want it. Err.. good for you? What's that got to do with anything? Or do you want a medal or something? If someone could have as much sex and as easily as you do, I'm sure they could face sexual frustration and rejection just as calmly too. Give me a call if you ever become deformed and n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?he point is that no matter how much someone wants sex, if the sex is bad it doesn't fulfill that want. OP's thesis only holds up if the assumption is "all sex is good sex". No, once again you waste your time on lengthy replies without actually understanding what the thesis is. Women have more likelihood to have "bad sex" because they consider sex with someone who isn't high value to be bad sex. That means women have more reason to vet potential partners for compatibility and only take the chance… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 10:09 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?We could also gauge someone's "SMV" by how much success he had with women, rather than what we think his success will be based on his appearance or personality. I think that I can safely yes that someone who has approached 100 women of different backgrounds and attractiveness, in different platforms, and got brutally rejected by all, has less SMV than someone who doesn't have an issue finding a hookup for the night. And I can quantify it numerically based on what the disparity in the rejection r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 10:05 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?It really only means that I'm a slut and proud of it, and in a more general sense men are more comfortable hooking up with strangers. It has nothing to do with how much I or anyone else wants sex And the reason men are more comfortable hooking up with "strangers" is because they need less psychological stimulation. I'm curious where you got this statistic. How many male porn stars have you had sex with? It's not a statistic. It's what I've heard from the porn industry. Yeah, male porn stars are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 09:56 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If 25% of men say yes to you, then you can still in fact get laid whenever you want. Again, I don't know of anywhere where I can just say to a girl "will you have sex with me" and get a positive answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 09:50 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?How attractive were the men you asked for sex from were? I do believe that many turned it down, even in my study half of them did. But 20% to 50% of men saying yes is still higher than 99% of women saying no. You should find a male of similar attractiveness and test out the theory with women. Or you could search youtube for "asking strangers for sex social experiment" and see how many women are receptive to decently attractive men. But at that point, men can get sex too, if they're willing to lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 09:11 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?because it's harder for them to get off So you are repeating the same bluepill argument you claimed not to sea? That men eat more cookies because they can get off easily? Are you arguing that women don't want sex, or that they don't want men? That's two different things. I'm arguing all women need to judge a man to be of high social value and psychological stimulation to desire sex with him, while many, if not most men, are content with physical attraction alone from a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Will they? If their SMV is 2, they won't. If their SMV is 8, they will, but then they'll have an easy time finding non-obese girls too. Like I said, linked, and referred, obese girls get plenty of average suitors to date them, and much more than that to have sex with them ( Including every BBW fetishist out there). Maybe you watched average guys having an easy time. But that doesn't mean it's the same for anyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?False analogy, the guy who is allergic to gluten would also eat all the cookies if it wasn't harmful. He wants to eat them as soon as he looks at them, he would if he could, but he can't. Women don't want to have sex with all the guys they lay eye on as much as men do with women. They don't want it in the first place. And you really can't compare a fatal health reaction to not having sex with someone because you weren't entertained properly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I guess I'm just failing to see why you think it's so rare and unreasonable and unattainable for a guy to be funny and smart Maybe you should ask yourself why are you failing to address anything I actually typed out, and only address fictional statements? Where did I ever say it's so rare and unreasonable and unattainable? like it's some ridiculous thing that women are demanding. For the purpose of sex, it's quite ridiculous. If you think it's somehow outrageous for women to prefer to date peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I'm totally aware of it. You still don't show any awareness for the fact that they want to fuck these guys for their fame, popularity, attractiveness, and charisma, in addition to playing video games. Not just for their love of playing video games. To say that no one's ever lusted after someone for their video game abilities isn't true. It's absolutely true. First you ignore everything I wrote in my post only to single out this one thing, and now you won't even hear out this one thing either. Fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:44 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I'm well aware that it's impossible to to talk about anything sex-related in this debate sub with someone picking up an "undertone of complaining and whining" from it, unfortunately. Even if I did want to complain, I wouldn't do so on here of all places. No I don't identify as incel and not trying to get laid. That my standards are insanely low is an anecdote I brought up because WorldsEndGirlfriend said he doesn't know any human who fits the description. So I answered "me". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If I was into guys, then I probably would, but I'm a dude do that doesn't really mean anything. That sentence means everything, actually. You would because you're a dude, all the women in this thread said they wouldn't. I also wasn't making a super serious point. Could've been humorous yet serious. Just because someone is a porn start doesn't make them any good at actually pleasing a partner, it means they're good at looking like they are. Actually, most of them are good, if only because of how … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:35 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Where have I complained about anything? Where have I said anything about me at all? You barged into a conversation without bothering to see what it was about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I didn't source them correctly but because I understated just how many men were willing, not the fact that literally 0 women agreed but most men did. Nontheless, if you want contemporary social experiments, go to youtube and look for "asking strangers to have sex" for thousands of queries, from both male and female experimenters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I have no interest in seducing women, though. But it's imprecise to say that not minding obesity will make it easy to find a woman. It hardly makes a difference. Men who find it easy to get laid with obese girls will also be able to fuck average girls. Possibly due to "low-self esteem" or other reasons. Men who find it hard to get laid with average girls won't get laid with any obese girl either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:10 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?standard of simply "willing to have sex with me" for dating That was not my claim. This thread deals with casual sex, not dating. My response to the other poster on dating was a personal answer, to a personal question. Nothing to do with my OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?This isn't about me. Not touching ONSs right isn't the issue, the issue is that the man doing the touching isn't right. You wouldn't have sex with a male without getting to know him, no matter how well you thought he could touch you ( I.E, if he was a porn star ), would you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:05 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I didn't say 100% of men will accept sex, I said they are 100% more likely than women ( Although I've been corrected about that, it should actually be more than 100% with that phrasing ) Here's your study. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/04/would_you_have_sex_with_an_attractive_stranger_.html | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I assume you mean dating here and not just a slumpbuster? Both. Although it should matter even less for a "slumpbuster". Do you not care if the girl is obese? If you don't mind obese then it should be easy to find someone. You never try to date or have sex with obese girls. And you don't speak to men who do. That's why you speculate wrongly on their accessibility. An obese girl in western society has as many standards, and only somewhat less tangible options, than any average girl. If you think … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?And that's why they feel they must impress you with all those other reasons, because you won't fuck them just for their love of video games. So, there is nothing that I would "ohohoho" if only I knew. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:49 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?And that's why they feel they must impress you with all those other reasons, because you won't fuck them just for their love of video games. So, there is nothing that I would "ohohoho" if only I knew. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:49 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?And women's psychological standard of good enough isn't just sex alone, like so many men's is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:48 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?My point goes women need entertainment along with their sex, which is why only a low percentage of it satisfied them. Your BP friends deny it and came up with "No, it's because men can orgasm more easily that they rush into sex" as a clause. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:47 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?In this entire thread. "Well duh, men can orgasm any time they want, that's why they don't have to be picky as me" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Although it does raise an interesting question - why did 50 men refuse? Mostly because they were in a relationship. Btw, in response to your original point - alcoholics (and addicts in general) want their fix much more than the average person, but they measurably enjoy drinking less. We have to redefine what a "liking" is then. Does an alcoholic like alcohol? Maybe men are the alcoholics who crave sex even if they enjoy it less, while women are the social drinkers savoring every drop but not gor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Most men have some sort of standards too. If a fugly woman asks for sex, most guys will say no Exactly, men's "standards" is mostly one standard, when it comes to casual, no-strings attached sex, and that is physical attractiveness. Chances are, if an attractive woman tells a man "Would you like to have sex with me?", he would agree. It's almost impossible for the reverse to happen though. Go to youtube, search for "Asking strangers to have sex". Or look at the professor who made a similar claim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 03:01 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?True. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4myilm/women_claim_to_like_sex_as_much_as_men_but_still/d40xg1q | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Alright, there was one sample group in a famous study from which not one woman agreed. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/04/would_you_have_sex_with_an_attractive_stranger_.html But even in contemporary social experiments, youtube, and elsewhere, the results seem roughly the same. Perhaps 1 in 100 women, as opposed to 50 out of 100 men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 02:56 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Yes, you are right, it should have been phrased differently. Out of surveyed individuals who accepted sex, 100% are men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 12:31 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?How can our arguments be real if our eyes aren't real? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 08:55 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Those teachings only work when everyone abides by them, not in a liberal society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 08:55 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I sometimes wonder what posters really can't decipher anything or if they are being contrarian for the sake of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 08:27 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If you're Chad, then women will say how it's "just fun" and no big deal, if you're shy and have Asperger's, women will say it's a massive responsibility that you have to spend your entire life jump through hoops to get before you are worthy of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:58 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If he isn't exceptionally successful, then he doesn't, because I don't think most women like shy devout guys with asperger's that much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:42 AM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?What do you mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:28 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?He can't, since the awkward girls don't want him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 07:05 AM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I'm trying to explain to you what women look for in a sex partner. I already know what they look for in a sex partner, I counted down the traits, which everyone I talked to agreed with. So did you. I disagree. For a woman to have great sex, she needs to be comfortable with the guy So you concur with my OP then. Women have a much more significant need for a psychological connection/admiration of a guy to enjoy the sex with him. The penetration or kissing alone wouldn't do it. and if he's "enterta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:59 AM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?So what are you trying to argue here? My suggestion was very simple - if women liked the physical act of sex itself, or were into dicks/men's bodies as much as the reverse, then they would have sex with someone without caring if he's naturally entertaining and impressive, if he's faking, or if, he's just a fumbling insecure guy. You ( and others ) reply "But, at the same time women talk with a guy to judge how high value he is, they can also watch out for warning signs". I concede it's true, but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:30 AM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?You actually have to spend time around people you sleep with, even if it's casual. YOU have to. Hookers still exist, you know? And men go to them. That is the Raison d'etre of the thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:12 AM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I don't have a large enough sample size, but anecdotally, it seems like out of 10 guys, only 3 will have any idea what they're doing. Which is not dependent on how good their tinder pickup line is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:11 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Their sex drive is high as any man. But they don't like the same aspect of sex that men do independently. OP is trying to argue I suggest reading OP's post 10 times, and reading the top comment in this thread, to find out what OP is really arguing, before spewing out your own version of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Actually, even if they were only attracted to male models, my point is, they want to be flirted with and entertained before moving on to the sex, as opposed to guys, or gay guys on grindr, who don't mind jumping head in to the sex. Hence women don't like the physical act of sex as much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:07 AM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?guys give obvious red flags through their words, the woman detects that You've spoken very wisely. Women's judgement is designed to determine how attractive the guy is, it's not centered around assessing craziness. It's the guys themselves who give the red flags, and the woman detects it. But when you judge who you're going to have sex with, your intention is to make sure he's attractive first of all. claiming she is rejecting them for "no reason". Oh there's a reason. 90% of the time the reason… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 06:02 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I'm pretty sure they would, otherwise few of them would get laid. Lower SMV can also be a 8/10 if you're a 10/10, by the way. Men who are 4/10 usually have no option other than 1/10 or 2/10 girls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 05:49 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If that articulation helps you notice the difference, sure. It still means a percentage of men has a unique attraction mechanism. But that scales up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?This is actually kind of a perfect example of what you're getting wrong. This is a perfect example of people who can't read my posts even when it's right under their noses. Let's return to my food analogy. A person who really, really fucking loves sweets is still going to be selective about the taste and quality What did I say? You're going to be selective, but when you DO find quality icecream, you'll take every opportunity to eat it. You won't ask for a meal first. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?No, there is an objective spectrum of qualities, and preference for each quality can vary within the spectrum, but never outside of it. So for example, if both success and charisma are on that spectrum, one woman might date a very accomplished guy with no social skills at all, another might date one who is very charismatic but never won anything in his life. At no point would she date someone with neither, for some other reason which isn't found in the spectrum. Women themselves put certain qual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 05:41 AM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Someone else who never got the claim I was making, and dives in straight to insults. Where did I ever say I'm angry? Can you explain to me the logic behind accusing every male you don't like of being "le entitled to sex and bitter at women" strawman? Why do you have to bring it up in every thread? No, what I wanted to say is that women don't like the act of physical intercourse in itself as much as men do, but they enjoy it with someone they're married to or know, due to a psychological connecti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 05:34 AM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Having to act aggressive to impress them is also what I call a social ordeal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Again you decide to cherrypick. I really couldn't give a damn about confidence, that's all I have to say. I've never met a woman who said the same. I don't care about social status ( She can be a friendless loser for all she wants ), don't care about talent or ambition ( She can just watch netflix all day ), don't care that much about humor, not about intelligence, and not that much about looks either. I've never, ever talked to a woman who said she'll give the slightest consideration to a simil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?It's not about the luxury, and there are plenty of women who hook up with non-empathic men, but zero women who hook up with not confident emphatic men. Again, let me repeat myself - If women had to choice between high empathy and support and low confidence and status, or high confidence and status but medicore empathy and support, they would go for the latter. I would go for the former. Even women who don't have the luxury say they would rather die a cat lady than date a guy with no confidence a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That's the sort of insane mentality I'm talking about, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Willing to date ugly mentally challenged homeless women is desperation. You aren't going to dictate my own motives to me. I already told you, I would date someone if they matched my criteria sooner than I'd date any other woman who was smart, funny and confident. Have you talked to many women? Have you asked women what's more important to you in a partner, empathy and being a good listening skills or confidence and social status? I've talked to thousands. And yes, it's more important to them. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 05:28 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Ideally asking someone how they're doing, what they like, exchanging some pleasantries and proposing to meet would be reasonable. It rarely ever works like that though. I've seen some women on /r/tinder rejecting guys because they asked them if they want a date, instead of just telling them to show up on a date and at what hour. Because apparently asking if they want a date isn't being assertive enough. It's crazy shit like that which I call a social ordeal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 05:22 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I wouldn't really say it's desperation. Everything on that list isn't very important to me, including intelligence ( In fact, a lot of men can be deterred by very intelligent women ), while to women it's of the utmost importance. I'll take a nice bottom of the barrel girl any day over a woman, with say, half as much empathy or open-mindedness, who is a rich bombshell. I don't know of a woman who would ever be willing to give up confidence or social status, intelligence and ambition for anything … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 05:14 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?You should probably inform all the BP women who say men want more sex because men can cum more easily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That's the point, people have different qualities they look for. No, people do, women don't. But you don't think some women care about open-mindedness, supportive, and empathetic, and good listener? You think no women care about morals? Of course, most women care about all of that. But you were asking me which human won't care about the things in the "attractive list". And I told you I would date a homeless, not intelligent, mousy, illiterate, lonely and ugly girl if she was all of that. Would w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Women aren't as thirsty as men judging by all statistics, and if the bottom of them were, they would date the bottom men. As for men who are not them, we call it hypergamy when a condition exists in which both 2/10 and 10/10 men agree to date their respective women or lower, while 2/10 women would only date a 3/10 man or higher. There are women who do that. My friend was one of them. She always dated shy-ier nerdier men Were those nerdier men by an chance prestigous scientists and comp-sci major… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Like I told you, you could have 100 women, 5 could like women more, which means only 1 man would like men more, "men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference." - So no, not "1 man" As for "5 out of 100 women": Four experiments confirmed that women's automatic in-group bias is remarkably stronger WOMEN'S bias is REMARKABLY stronger. and investigated explanations for this sex difference Sex difference, not 5-people-against-1-person difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:50 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Silly pickup lines and being expected to be assertive, teasing and bragging, but not arrogant, in just the right sprinkling to cater to her majesty's smallest whims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?No. The qualities I look for are moral code, ideology, open-mindedness, not being judgmental, supportive, empathetic, tolerant, good listener.. All of those could easily be found in a homeless, not very intelligent, mousy, illiterate and lonesome girl. My list might be definitive for the qualities women seek. It's not definitive for all humans. But most people do care what the other party is like. Correct. Most is a far cry from all though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:45 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Yes. I don't think we disagree about much. That was the manifesto of my thread essentially - Women aren't as excited about dicks and men's bodies with no prior "chemistry" than men would fantasize about a row of bubble-butts of women they never even spoken to in their wet dreams. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I don't know, quite a guys get swiped right on Tinder by women, even messaged first, yet not getting laid without passing their social ordeals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:38 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?We are talking about who doesn't care about those things in their sexual or romantic partners, not in themselves. Even if you do want to make it about myself ( which naturally, you'd love to ), then it would still debunk your statement, wouldn't it? Some men shitpost about women on the internet, some women shitpost about men on the internet. There you go. There is your answer about what human doesn't care about some of these things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:36 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Very well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?They're dependent on the beta bux, they aren't dating him because they want him to be sexually dependent on them ( even if it happens ). This is different from men who want to date a fat girl so she won't cheat on them or be grateful. Why would anyone date ugly weirdos wheen they can date average guys? Because some men have a fetish for ugly wierdo girls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:33 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?but you just put a list of everything that encompasses almost every positive factor that So there is an objective category of quality for all women, good. What human doesn't care about some of these things? Me. Other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:31 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference. Women have that mechanism. "Own group preference" = they prefer other women ( their group ) than men ( not their group ). They like women more than they like men. I personally have more respect for people who admit they misread than people who try to twist and post their way out of it. I want to recommend that you start respecting yourself at this time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?And that's why the idea of hypergamy is wrong. Women don't aim up, women aim for best/ideal And they don't find the idea of aiming down for convenience or for loyalty or whatever the best or ideal for them, while men do. Women also aim down or aim for dependency or safety. No they don't. By dependency I meant men would aim down because they want a woman who can't get any better and won't leave them. Never seen a woman dating an ugly weirdo over an average guy because of that reason. If both are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:27 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I just choked on my drink. You are so predictable. That's why I said you're about to confirm it. Do you think its objective for all women or people choose what qualities they like? You basically listed everything associated with being attractive. How do I confirm it? You just confirmed there is an objective list of everything which is attractive that women won't choose outside of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:22 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Well, we already talked about how women won't just have sex with guys from their social circle. And I'm sure your friends won't date just about anyone from the social circle anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:20 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?What are you defining as high value and status? Social popularity, talents, occupation, field of study, fame, humor, intelligence, confidence. Do you think its objective for all women or people choose what qualities they like? Yes. And you're about to confirm it. Also isn't this and basically all incel points being upset that women having more options due to current dating structure than men in terms of getting sex? No, this isn't about pickiness. It's why women won't have sex right away with a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If the attraction is mutual, flirting is good. If attraction is one-sided, flirting is not welcome. Well, I don't argue with this, but in my experience there are many women who unjustly tell men who approach them with casual, low-key flirting at a party or a bar that they were being "creepy" or "perverted" or just want to get in their pants and so on, instead of admitting they feel disgusted by his unattractiveness and want to be mean to him. Do a social experiment, take the ugliest guy, nerdies… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:16 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?There are some women who like the idea of a guy who has a high salary, even if they don't intend to make use of it. They meet them through extended social circles and friends of friends, so I suppose they have an idea of their social condition. Is that what you mean? In a large part, yes. They know that man was "good enough" to be accommodated by their social circle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:10 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?It's a good thing we have the other link to shed some light on whose interpretation is wrong and whose "extrapolation" isn't really that much of an extrapolation, right? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274 "Four experiments confirmed that women's automatic in-group bias is remarkably stronger than men's and investigated explanations for this sex difference, derived from potential sources of implicit attitudes" " In Experiment 1, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-grou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:08 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Okay.. so most women aren't preyed upon, they know confidence and respect aren't correlated with safety, and therefore... women who go to parties typically select guys based on how fun and quality they are, while keeping the risks in the back of their minds? That's wha I was saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:04 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Blah blah blah...attraction... Yes, women won't have sex with someone if they think he's a rapist. But most of the time, they are choosy based on attraction. Why are we still talking about it? Let's drop the status thing and say it for what it really is: their ugly/unattractive/weird friend. Not really. You know Peter Dinklage is a sex icon? You mean settling? Settling is a reflection of laziness or desperation. No, I don't mean settling and not desperation. Laziness, I guess you could if someon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?They say that a lot on online dating. If they're already during a date with someone, then he can't exactly be flirty or playful " right off the bat". He already talked to her somewhere, asked her out on a date, and got her interest enough for her to knowingly set up a romantic date with him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:51 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I haven't mentioned money, it's about status, not money. Women like to know they sleep with a guy who is ambitious and doing well, and not with a deadbeat, even if they'll never see a dime from him. It's in their psyche, basically. Did your friends know nothing about those guys? Not what they do, what their social condition is, and so forth? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:48 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Now, all we know is that when women favor women, they do it 5x more than men. No we don't. The researchers didn't investigate how much women favor their own gender in pre-existing situations where women favor other women , they presented them with neutral questions and established that the favoritism exists. Through four experiments, psychologists Laurie A. Rudman, PhD, of Rutgers, and Stephanie A. Goodwin, PhD, of Purdue University, used the Implicit Association Test to discover 204 heterosexua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:42 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I guess now would be my turn to retort "women aren't a monolith", buuut I can't do so in good conscience. I did witness many women who did not welcome a bit of playfulness, and although they could definitely be lying to avoid coming off as shallow or just bitchy, their own reasoning was something like this - "Flirting/being playful with me before even talking to me means you see me as a sex object. Your premature interest shows that you don't care enough about me as a person". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:36 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I don't know anyone who needs to know someone's job and salary before they'll fuck There are lots of women who judge men based on information which has nothing to do with how smoothly their conversation goes, even before they converse. On Tinder, they want to see pictures of you with others to show you're popular, they like seeing pictures of you surfing or skiing or doing activities, even if those things have zero relation to the 1 hour you're gonna have sex in, a lot of women will ignore you i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:29 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?It's not the same thing. All it says is when they DO favor their own gender When women do favor their own gender, they do favor their own gender. You can see how that doesn't make sense. No, what it says is that they gave both men and women a series of four experiments to determine who has a higher ingroup bias, and the answer is women. How is that not clear? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:23 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?But if you think most women haven't considered at some point that they might wind up getting raped or dead in a basement after meeting strangers in clubs, you're mistaken. And yet they'll still meet strangers in clubs and whack off a guy in a back alley sooner than they'll consider a date with their low-status childhood friend. But whatever you value, you're going to try to find the best person for yourself. Wrong. Some people just take whatever comes their way because they don't pay much attent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Blind dating, speed dating, friend referrals. Nerds which can hide their awkwardness better online. It mostly happens on the internet though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:13 PM |
| 7 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Women still have casual sex because birth control exists. Holy shit, how many more times will we keep hearing that line on this sub? "Rich guys fly in a private jet because commercial airplanes can get kidnapped or crash". - People still fly in commercial planes. 99% of them do. Safety measures exists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:11 PM |
| 0 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?No, it's being less likely to orgasm ( Nevermind the finer subtleties of this dogma ), men being less likely to perform oral, etc which doesn't make sense. These are all just secondary, indirect deflections. Women don't just lower their eagerness for casual sex in general, if that's what they cared about, they only lower them for men who can't please them psychologically. They can still seek out a new man to fuck every day. They won't fuck someone if it was guaranteed he could give them an orgas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 03:08 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I've seen women flipping their shits at ugly guys or nerds for the slightest playfulness in dates, tinder or OkCupid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?This is not paraphrasing. Look up the definition of "favoritism". Women show five more times favoritism for their own gender than men do for their gender. Again, look up what "favoritism" is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:58 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I honestly just can't continue replying to those endless non-sequitirs, presumptions, and unrelated statements Bottom line, none of what you say has anything to do with the desire to get a witty pickup line or have an engaging conversation with someone. Other than psychological allure of it. Women have casual sex with high status men despite everything you say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:57 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Risk IS the reason why women are choosy. Risk and the need for psychological stimulation. Both of them. No it isn't. You're overblowing those risks way out of fucking proportion. When women are being choosy on tinder, they ask for psychological stimulation, not for your non-rapist credentials. And most of the time when women reject someone it's because he didn't meet the criteria for psychological stimulation. Everyone, EVERYONE, tries to get the best partner they can. Nope, speak for yourself. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:54 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?But fear of rape isn't the cause for being picky. Most women would tell you they won't change their standards even if rape vanished from the planet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:50 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?How about changing your filters instead? At least a single attempt? You know, like in everything else humans do when they try to improve something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:48 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That being said, is there something wrong with women like me who want this? No. What's the real argument here? That women aren't as crazy about sex in isolation as men are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:47 PM |
| 4 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Nice strawman. What I said is that if you liked sex, you would offer it to every physically appealing, decently friendly male, in the same rate men would accept sex from physically appealing, decently friendly women. And I am not throwing tantrums because I'm not getting any, but nice ad hominem. Please read the core rules: no personal attacks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:46 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I mean that they won't enjoy being touched and penetrated by a man they know nothing about as much as a man could with a woman he knows nothing about ( such as a hooker ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Women are nearly five times more likely to show an automatic preference for their own gender than men are to show such favoritism for their own gender. Women are five times more likely to show favoritism for their own gender than men. Women show more favoritism to their own gender than men. Women show favoritism to their own gender. favoritism favoritism by women for women. women favor their own gender. women favor other women over the male gender. women favor women more than men. Women like oth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:42 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I mean, of course, why would you sleep with anyone just because he is not a rapist. Great, fear of rapists is not the reason women won't spontaneously sleep with someone, glad we got that out of the way. The reasons behind this are mostly historical Historical indeed. Some hundreds of millions of years of history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:39 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That's your narrative of how you think relationships play out. I can convince you pretty effectively that it isn't just a narrative. You'd be surprised how revealing holding a simple conversation with someone is. Women don't judge men by a simple conversation. If so, many more men would be having sex or avoiding rejection right now. Women look for both. They talk to a man to get the psychological attraction and connection, and to make sure he's not insane. Agreed. Risk isn't the reason women are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:37 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?the screening process for genetic quality doubles AS personal safety too Sure, it can double as that. While women try to determine how much of a winner someone is, they can also watch out for signs of unstable behavior or danger. But, that aligns with my position - that being choosy or not rushing into sex is not the byproduct of risks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:33 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Maybe it's a difference in language, Oxford dictionary defines flirt as "Behave as though sexually attracted to someone, but playfully rather than with serious intentions", in the context of romantic flirting. It depends on how attractive the man is and the woman's sensibilities I guess. In some cases, particularly in dating rather than tinder, a lot of women usually say they dislike "creeps" who flirt with them right away before getting to know them. So for example, you're supposed to ask her a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:30 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Oh, but it does say that. Women are nearly five times more likely to show an automatic preference for their own gender Women show an automatic preference for their own gender. That's the part where they like each other more than men. The next part is that men don't show that ingroup preference at the same rate as women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:25 PM |
| 5 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Women are attracted to men similarly to how men are attracted to women. Hardly. Even outside of sex and when trying to get a significant others, the priorities differ completely. For starters, safety. Men are on average larger and stronger. There's a pretty big incentive to talk to a guy, make a connection with him, make sure he's not crazy to the best of your ability, before going home with him. None of the ways women judge a guy make sure he isn't crazy. A woman wouldn't have sex with a guy sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:22 PM |
| 4 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?You don't have to see women as a collection of parts to feel more pleasure from sticking your dick in strangers. There are even emotional benefits that can be extracted from sex alone ( without previous requirements ). The feeling of being desired. The feeling of someone else trying to make you feel good and you doing the same for them. The oxytocin released from pure physical affection. The warmth, the relaxation. All of these can be present even if your partner is not very smart or funny. . It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:20 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec04/women.aspx Title: Women like women more than men like men Paragraph 1: Women are nearly five times more likely to show an automatic preference for their own gender than men are to show such favoritism for their own gender Do you disagree with their phrasing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:14 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?It doesn't, because we can't compare it with a world with no selection. Dude, no matter how badly you want it to be true, guys with romantic difficulties aren't any more likely to be rapist murderers than dominant, assertive Casanovas. Women's selection process has nothing to do with actively ruling out rapists. They wouldn't have sex with a guy even if they thought he isn't a rapist, because their selection is all about value, not just "don't be a rapist". And yeah, once you can afford to choos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:10 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Flirting has a more sexual context. People "escalate" to flirting ( sexual innuendo, compliments about body, etc ) after they already got the interest of the other person and managed to impress them. "Game" is how well you can impress women. By your attitude, composure, charisma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:05 PM |
| 5 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Protip: If I were a woman, Chad wouldn't be less likely to rape, assault or get me pregnant than some virgin nerd would. In fact, statistically, the other way around. While some women indiscriminately hook up with guys on Tinder the vast majority of women DO NOT. While Tinder is one avenue, I think a substantial portion of women have some casual encounters in their lifetime, in western countries. The issue is more often than not, their screening process is faulty and exposes them to dangerous me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 02:02 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?It literally says that men like women more than women like men, in addition to women liking women more than men like men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:58 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Maybe you didn't luck out, rather than these links being the exceptions for those who unlucked out? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:55 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?They run that risk when they are not selective. The more selective they are, the less risk they run, pretty simple. TIL awkward or unfunny guys are more likely to be rapists. ( Even though most rapists have done the deed after the woman already invited them over, but let's ignore that ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:54 PM |
| 5 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I also explained, although it probably shouldn't need explaining, that being selective about someone's success and charisma does not prevent rape or murder. In fact, most rapes take place after the selection, so that should tell you what it's worth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:52 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That's a good perspective, thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:36 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If they liked ------sex------ as much or more, they would have it with anyone they found physically suitable. But what they actually like more than men is being desired and ravaged by a high-value partner. More than they like the penis in their vagina. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:33 PM |
| 4 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Imagine you were a male who can actually enjoy sex, is perpetually horny, but can't have it. Like someone who whose taste buds aren't working versus someone with working taste buds who is always on the brink starvation with delicious foods being dangled in front of him. Could be worse, just saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:30 PM |
| 2 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Not foreplay, and not exactly flirting. But what TRP refers to as "game". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:25 PM |
| 5 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That's why I didn't mention "entertaining," you did. But what makes a person funny? Yet on the same sentence you acknowledge that what makes a person funny increases his sex appeal, so trust is not the chief factor. A good sense now timing and an ability to read others' body language... those skills are also valuable in bed. No. Humor is associated with intelligence, the vital requirements to be a good comedian is verbal intelligence ( Knowing how to articulate yourself, having a good "word-draw… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:24 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Their selectivity has already been heavily documented and discussed. My stipulation here is that even when they think they could have sex with someone, they aren't as eager to get down to it, although Greeklady alerted me to a theory combining selectivity with sexual enjoyment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:04 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and-love/full-body-orgasm http://www.healthcentral.com/sexual-health/sextechniques-256853-5.html You're welcome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 01:01 PM |
| 6 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?If the thought of intercourse was so appealing you'd just skip the bullshit and offer it on the table. And no, a ONS with an intelligent businessman isn't less risky than an ONS with a timid cashier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:59 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That's true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:50 PM |
| 4 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Really? No. You've just been hanging out with men with a similar low experience of women. What? How would that affect anything? I have no idea what you're trying to say. Of course. But you're confusing the reasons for this. Sex is risky for women. Oh god, not again. So, if you were to be automagically made into a woman right now, you'd be jumping into bed with every tinder guy you meet? The risk of pregnancy, STDs, murder, rape and being called a slut would mean nothing to you? Okayyyyy. You are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:49 PM |
| 7 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Psychopaths are very charismatic. Humor and intelligence aren't an indicator of who you can trust. If you choose who to trust based on how entertaining they are, I hope you never get into a scenario in which your trust actually has consequences. and who knows how to get us off A man's occupation and jokes has no bearing on how well he can get you off sexually. If you tested it sometime, you might find out. Sex with a horny stranger All one-night-stands are sex with horny strangers. The only diff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:35 PM |
| 5 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Well, evidently, not really. Women's LMR hasn't proven effective in assuring them a safe partner, considering how much complaints are still floating around about abusive partners, rape, asshole ex-boyfriends, and unwanted pregnancies with a fleeing father. In virtually all of which the guy passed the "vetting process" and ended up in her bed. ( Save for out-of-the-bushes rape ). And major sluts are abound either way, since there are enough guys to succeed in the LMR in the time scale it takes to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:22 PM |
| 6 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I'm afraid that any man who thinks as you do can't have been around or had sex with many women. That's completely irrelevant though. It's been proven in social experiments, it can be proven right now, it's been admitted by men who do have sex, and it's a view shared by plenty of men who are in the top 1% of sex. Go to /r/tinder, see how happy men are when they see a woman eager to skip the flirting and just fuck. Very few women are happy with "ayo bby u wan sum fuk" from men on the other hand, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:16 PM |
| 6 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Women's orgasms are more intense though, which kind of balances it. More nerve endings, something called a "full body jolt" ( when they spasm ), and the excessive moaning of women does, in fact, along with socialization, come partially from strongest pleasure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:13 PM |
| 1 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?A higher level of arousal which is obtained by the entertainment, interest and self-esteem boost ( I'm fucking a successful guy, not a loser ! ) which comes before the sex. And that's why I say, women don't like sexual intercourse itself, as much as men do. They need an additional aspect to "complete" sex for them, and only then they derive as much out of it as men do. Basically, imagine a guy with a freak obsession to ketchup, who can gulp down a bottle of ketchup and lick hs lips, and a guy wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:10 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?I have no doubt that women are more selective, and that plays a role. It's possible that their selection instincts are overriding their libido. That they want to just flip over the dating table and pounce on cocks just as men really wish they could get down to business already, but an inexplicable subconscious lever stops them. That would put women's self-control even below the level of a sentient creature though. They are drooling over the thought of intercourse like the man is, but can't just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 12:04 PM |
| 3 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?It may be attractive, it is however only mandatory for women. And the point is, if you can't be attracted just by the thought of getting off in sex like men do, but also need your partner to earn you attraction by being successful and interesting, then you don't covet sex as much. Like I said, cross-examine with men. Why do men don't give a fuck if a woman just straight out wants them to fuck her, success and interest be damned? Because men find sex attractive, They really, really want to cum in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 11:55 AM |
| 9 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?Not really. Men and women just find different things attractive. By the way, there are some women who jump into bed with people they don't know all that well Make your mind up. You are wrong about visualization though. Women are just as visual if not more, they rate tons of men as unattractive, or eagerly forgive faults for a man based on his attractiveness. But women are both just as visual, AND more psychologically demanding than men. Again, we are not talking about attraction here, but about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 11:38 AM |
| 6 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That is part of why men also find the act of sex itself - kissing, touching, intercourse, blowjobs and so forth so easily enticing. Sight and touch are the main senses involved in intercourse. Men like sex on it's own right. Women like sex with a psychological aspect to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 11:29 AM |
| 6 | Women claim to like sex as much as men, but still expect men to "earn" it. Do they also like the same aspects of sex that men do just as much?That's selectivity/hypergamy which is another issue. What I'm talking about here is when a woman is physically attracted to a man, and still feels the need to "challenge" him with various motions or entertain her to a specific limit before moving on to sex. That means that while her libido might be high, and she would have sex with a high-value male 10 times a day, her libido is not aroused so much by the thought of intercourse, as men's is, but by the psychological allure of a person. In other … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 11:22 AM |
| 1 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?Are you this obnoxious to people in real life too, or just behind your screen? I'd much rather just ask you to avoid personal attacks for no reason on a debate sub, but you can't help your shitty personality, can you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/16 06:43 AM |
| 1 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?You've read all two years of my comment history and see fit to comment on having done so. I only see fit to ask that you keep your go-getter, tough motivational... I don't even know how to describe it, attitude to yourself and your arrogance for others. But you also state you don't post on reddit for any reason at all. You might want to read what you're responding to. The word is pose, not post. I said I don't pose on Reddit for any reason at all. Especially not with a body pillow, for which I'l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/16 01:51 AM |
| 2 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?Whatever life experience traumatized you or edgy Nietzschean book it is you've read that made you think you are the shit and that you constantly have to prove how badass you are, you can vent it out on other people just like you've done in your lifelong comment history. I don't really care. There is no need to do any experiments. "Body-shaming" applies only to women, not to men. Plenty of the women who responded in that thread are also ones that complain about women's image and fat-shaming or th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/16 05:48 AM |
| 1 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?Actual reality is that commenting to women on how they should dress is very unacceptable on Reddit, and in western society in general. Also chances are you can't draw or sew. Yes, your suggestion was pretty dumb, wasn't it? People usually buy those pillows or have them printed, not sew and draw it themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/16 03:37 AM |
| 2 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?Because I'm not a prematured attentionwhoring sorority girl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/16 11:51 PM |
| 1 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?The fat shrill "tumblr feminist" is probably just as famous. Nobody in that thread didn't know about it when it was mentioned in various comment chains. But I don't think I'll be very surprised at what the response would be for a caricature of nothing but a fat ugly feminist. Mostly because tons of people who laughed and posted in that thread where women with complaints about body-shaming in their post history who pretty much just rail about women's image and women's issues and objectification a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/16 03:08 AM |
| 3 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?Front page of TumblrInAction, and the main focus is on her slideshow, not her body, despite the slur. Tons of people in the comments saying how it's her choice how to live/dress or how her body is not the issue, etc.. as opposed to neckbeard posts that get third-grade insults. All in all worst example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/16 10:08 AM |
| 3 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?But they make fun of people for what they do, not what they are, as I've been told. Just like /r/Coontown mocked black thugs for what they did, not who they are. Doesn't matter though because they still promoted hate speech and bigotry! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/16 08:05 AM |
| 4 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?I don't think even you actually believe it. Women's demographic percentage alone as half of the population, which is reflected in reddit's gender distribution would ensure their total statistic control. Almost every single male on reddit would have to swing heavily anti women or anti-SJW to for that to happen. ( And reddit is pretty much known as liberal SJW central to everyone on the internet ) It certainly won't happen in the female subreddits with tens of millions of users like TwoX or AskWom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/16 03:02 AM |
| 3 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?They make fun of their articles/ideologies. In more private settings, they'll make fun of SJW's/feminists appearance if they can. But if they posted a picture which just parodies the general ugliness or social failings of a heavy, eccentric woman with no context? Will it make it to their front page? Maybe. But many users said they don't want to "prove feminist accusations right" by focusing on how women look like. Would such a post make it to reddit's front page? Not in a million years. And if a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/16 02:52 AM |
| 1 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?The Donald is politics. An equivalent would be if they posted a caricature of Hispanics or Black guys, and that would be racism which would probably be draw the ire of the management if it made it to the front page, yes. It certainly wouldn't be encouraged by reddit at least. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/16 01:58 AM |
| 3 | How quickly would this picture be taken down if it was a woman instead of a man?/r/coontown, /r/fatpeoplehate were never taken down for doxxing or group harassment of an individual, any more than doxxing and group harassment occurs at /r/niceguys and /r/justneckbeardthings. The official reason reddit gave for taking them down was hate speech and generic "harassment". More minor ones like "hamplanethatred," "transfags," "neofag," and "shitniggerssay" were also not involved in anything special. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/16 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?A prime example of the kind of retarded dudebro who can't discuss anything without ridicule that rampant social Darwinism brings. go out in the streets, warn people to repent their sexual ways or Brave New World is coming Why would I warn them? The people whom such a society will be negative for don't need a warning, and those who yearn for it have nothing to be warned about. By the way, Dark Triad is not "incel logic". You don't have to subscribe to it but it was hardly invented by incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 08:25 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?which was? Eliminating gender roles through biological instead of socialized means. You know it's really telling when someone's entire interaction with the other gender comes from r9k or mensrights or w/e boards that are popular with the likes of you rather than you know real life. It's telling when you can only interact with someone through a strawman. Like you actually think everyone else is living this sexual dystopia where women rule and false rape charges are being filed left and right. Did… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 08:18 PM |
| 2 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?You know you have freedom and bodily autonomy as well? Yeah being socially awkward to talk to girls is the same thing as being slaves to the ruling class. I have a measure of freedom and bodily autonomy. And you did not understand what I said to you. There is no objective "value". Each person determines what conditions are more valuable to them in their own life. A CEO can say a free market is much more valuable than income disparity, someone else might not see it that way. You haven't said why … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Is it because the bottom 10% can't force poor women to sleep with them against their will? No, it looks like you haven't read a single word I said, nor did you get the example involving you. I already told you - If sex existed in a vacuum, there would be no problem for all females in the world to become some alpha's harem and let him fuck them a thousand times while all subpar males get nothing, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. They don't just enter an alternate dimension to have sex and forget… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 03:29 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?But that's not very progressive either. Honor killing is pretty progressive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 03:21 PM |
| 4 | I’m A Slut — And 100% Proud Of It (So Stop Shaming Me Already): Feminist renders a safe space unsafe for non-sluts and blames people for watching her.Not only did it not bother me that complete strangers were ogling us in judgment, but it wasn’t about to slow me down either. I knew they were watching — and judging — and I just didn’t care. Just like I didn’t care when I amped it up and pulled another guy into the mix. That's so empowered. Fuck those people who judge someone for flaunting their sexuality in public, right? So can I take my dick out in the club now? What do you mean "No" and "Creep"? I thought we weren't judgemental? Oh well.. I… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/16 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Most people who do actually have the freedom to have sex with who they want ( women ) prefer that, yes. However, incels and your crusade against them is not the issue here. Women could fuck Chad and shaft virgins a thousand times if those sexual acts existed in a vacuum, but they don't. With the obsession with sex of the have's and the shitting on the have-not's ( See: You ) comes a whole array of side-effects, both from the more aggressive social norms that develop to accommodate the pursuit of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/16 10:34 AM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Pretty sure that was an extremely rare reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/16 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?But couldn't advocating for monogamy be considered sexuality shaming in today's environment? Just advocating for it? I would say no. And it's relevant to ask whom it "made sense" to and why. For women and certain men it made a lot of sense, for others, who did oppose it, it didn't make much sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/16 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?That's an argument for monogamy, not modesty or shaming of sexuality. The abstinence cults didn't arise because they were afraid of diseases, either. At any rate, even the mating habits would be progressive because they were never before conducted so carefully, rationality or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/16 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I don't know if feminist theory, the manosphere analyze the complexity of the sexual liberation per se more than they are addressing... miscellaneous stuff. For example, flirting techniques might have become more progressive, but, they could've been and in many famous stories were just as complex prior to that, courting is something which was just affected by sexual liberation, not integral to it. This is getting a bit too sophistic so I would say this - when I say that what is thought of as sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 11:39 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Thanks, well there are tons of novels about tampering with a population's DNA or brain for any number of incentives or reasons, but almost none that deal specifically with doing so on a gendered basis to achieve a certain symbiosis. That's because pinpointing the genetic source of gender behavior and suggesting it's defective is very taboo in society. Even though feminists are allowed to criticize gender interaction and even delve into the biological level that I do, saying testosterone makes me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 11:20 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?That's correct. A guy would need to be below average to fail to acquire any nextflix and chill. What about it though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?A selected few of these: http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences And some hormonal ones too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormones_and_Behavior Or are you asking which ones specifically? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 11:11 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Well, officially at least there are more atheists now than ever, but I assume there were less atheists in the Victorian era too unofficially, because most of them would've been raised that way. If you had to choose would you live now or in the Victorian era? Assuming modern conveniences are the same, I just mean the value systems. If we're speaking about the value systems of sex and gender specifically, then I'll take the Victorian era over now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I see two counters to your argument. One is the point already made by others: progressive from what? Single cell organisms engaged in asexual reproduction so maybe, as a more evolved species, engaging in sexual reproduction is actually progressive behavior. But I'm actually not addressing sexual reproduction here, we are dressing sexual exhibitionism or sexualized culture mostly. Have you ever listened to a kinky, polyamorous person talk through the rules and preferences that govern the network … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 11:04 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I stated my way forward in another comment, but I do think it is an impossible ideal. There would never be enough popular support to put it in motion. Paradoxically, it would have to be implemented in the first place for there to be public support for it. I want to give feminism what it claims to desire. The destruction of all gender roles. ( That is not what they really want ). And since gender roles are biologically entrenched, socialization is ineffective. It can only be changed by biological… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:58 PM |
| 1 | One argument in support of Nice Guy shaming is that male nerds are "overprivileged". This argument (if nerd means no social skills) usually has no statistical evidence.Either option would be better than the present state because it wouldn't be so hypocritical. If it was up to me then they should all be shut down because I find them distasteful. But reddit is not my personal app and many people want free speech, but right now we don't have free speech, we have discriminatory hypocrisy. So I wouldn't care if all were shut down, but to those who would complain I would say at least bring back all the other subs that did get shut down at the behest of people who fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Yes, I believe the metaphorical Victorian era was created through the unique human attribute of spirituality in the minds of a powerful entity ( The Church ) which exerted it's attitude on the population, even if that population itself did not wholly integrate. Whereas today's society is more influenced by primal urges ( Sexual flaunting, hedonism ) which re-emerged from the fading of the spiritual influence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Well, I'm not sure how demonized people are for not liking Netflix and chill as much as they are for failing to acquire Netflix and chill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?But progress to me is neutral. You too, I imagine. Could be beneficial, harmful, or both. Yes. They are powerless to interfere with me being a red blooded man They interfered in the lives of many red-blooded men. It is a matter of circumstance if it will happen to you or not. Gynocentrism is certain making life worse for me as a "disposable" male from many different angles. But Marriage or traditionalism is not the solution, it's just plaster on an infected wound. The core of all gender issues i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I don't know that they did, and if so they were idiots. Because the body responsible for those social conditions, the Christian church, called their edicts divine inspiration and divine guidance, not a natural order. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:10 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Genetic engineering and medical neurological intervention ( E.G hormonal adjustment ) in order to eliminate hardcoded behavioral differences in male and female brains. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:07 PM |
| 2 | One argument in support of Nice Guy shaming is that male nerds are "overprivileged". This argument (if nerd means no social skills) usually has no statistical evidence.Yes, but what makes these subs even worse is their self-righteousness, because unlike in high-school emotionally tormenting someone for being "pathetic" or "weird" or whatever isn't cool to some people anymore, so they have to come up with ways to demonize those segments so they can mock them. ( But sometimes they drop the act completely line in the thread I linked, and just bash those guys without even trying to pretend they did something bad to anyone ) Even in the very, very low percentage of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 10:05 PM |
| 2 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Oh I agree, even the artificial also stems from evolutionary biology. But it is a more complex ( and unique to humans as animals ) mechanism than the instinctive, which is prevalent in other animals. It's also progressive because it leads to different social structures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 09:12 PM |
| 2 | One argument in support of Nice Guy shaming is that male nerds are "overprivileged". This argument (if nerd means no social skills) usually has no statistical evidence.People can bitch and moan about all kinds of stuff for all I care. Doesn't mean I can't criticise it or deem it unproductive in return, when it enters my purview. Criticizing and deeming it unproductive is one thing, demonizing, strawmanning, attacking, ridiculing and all in all essentially bullying them for it is another. You can do that too of course, you can be as mean as you like to anyone. But the first is fine in my book, the second isn't. I also don't know much about ForeverAlone. I don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 09:08 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Of course, I have no illusions that Victorian era was completely "pure", it wasn't even the most sexually restrictive period in Europe, I just entertained it as one in order to make the point for the user who mentioned it. But whichever era that title belongs to, it would still be the most progressive when measured in a timeline, due to placing more importance on abstinence or sexual modesty than the mammals, cavemen, and tribes in Europe which came before them, regardless of the fact that witho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?That's because nobody is using the methods necessary to change them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I'd say to regress away from, since their social transformation was designed to culminate in unprecedented change in human behavior, while yours seek to reform human behavior back to it's roots, but sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 08:46 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?It's possible to likewise artificially shake the foundations of humanity to create a catalyst that will change it's future, but like I said, it won't happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Not always. Significant events do change things. You could say in the Jurassic era that another string of hulking gigantic predatory beasts toppling the older dinosaurs and dominating the food chain is what's waiting to happen, because that was history. Until a meteor wiped them all out. Even better example, you could say humans should've never evolved, because all of history prior to that was void of intelligent, self-aware sentient beings on earth, and so the future cannot hold them either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I want to control the future, not history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I'm not talking about legislating marriage, or marriage in general. I'm thinking about putting an end to organic development. But like I said, it's paradoxical. The approval ratings would have to arise organically for the action to be performed before it can complete it's task. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 08:00 PM |
| 3 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?No, I'd say that "progressing" is the process of reaching a new stage. Modern multiculturalism is progressive, because we are at a point in which it is at it's peak and climbing compared to previous tribalism, even in the most cosmopolitan societies of the past ( Rome, etc ). It is right to call it progress because humanity is indeed going to an extent it didn't before. But sexual liberation is simply the undoing of progressing modesty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:56 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I don't know if I think any civilization ever did everything right for a while, but when it comes to gender relations at least, there is a way which became viable only in our time to avoid both outcomes, and give everyone what they claim to want. But while there is a way, it is paradoxical, because in order for society to accept the solution, it would have to be enacted to begin with, otherwise nobody will due to it's drastic nature, even though it takes drastic measures to make drastic changes.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:45 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Do you honestly think that a promise of 72 hoors would have worked in a sexually liberated society? The sexually frustrated males of western "sexually liberated" society don't even need the promise, they kill themselves as atheists from sheer frustration. We are discussing your inability to see the inherent sickness in the first extremal case. Then we have nothing to discuss, because I see it. The only thing I didn't see was the absence of male sexual frustration in western society. Moving on th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I haven't heard they set the 50's as a time limit, but if that's how you define it, then yes, we are very progressive right now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:17 PM |
| 3 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I do not value it, because it leads to some very negative consequences, for me, for others, and eventually for all of society in my opinion. However, that has nothing to do with whether it's animalistic or not. Like I said, I don't care if many activities are less or more distinct from animals. Your argument is a nifty semantical trick, but isthete any substance? No, just the semantics actually. Change sexual liberation from "progressive" to "improvement" if you want and it will be more accurate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?We are discussing presence of frustrated male hormones, not intensity of it's effects. Trust me, there are just as many males in the West who, if their government turned a blind eye to it, would take out their frustration on women in a similar manner. But in the Egypt you can participate in a taharrush and just disappear into the crowd when it's over, in the west you'll get tortured in prison for the rest of your life. Still doesn't stop many men though. May I also add that the west has a revers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:09 PM |
| 2 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Indeed not even emphasizing something twice in a post can make people quit misinterpreting it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:04 PM |
| 3 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Why do I care about being different from animals again? You don't. How many times do I have to repeat myself? I already repeated myself twice in the OP because I knew bluepillers would twist the whole thing in their minds. I. Am. Not. Here. To. Judge. Good. Or Bad.. Only to say what's "progressive". and a bad thing to sit on your ass all day reading Reddit. This is subjective, and not even morally subjective ( Like being cruel ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 07:01 PM |
| 2 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?I was being sarcastic. That being said progressive impose a LOT of rules on other people. Making you pay for their birth control for example. Pondering forced sexual education in schools. "No-platforming" certain ideologies, I.E MRA's in many universities. And tons of others things which are definitely not a minority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:59 PM |
| 4 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?No, progressives espouse a very primitive model of sexuality. That is not equivalent to me saying it is "bad". For example, I don't think people who want to live in the wild or dedicate their life purely for survival and food gathering are bad, or doing something bad, even though they are reverting back to more natural functions. It is just not progressive in any meaning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Frustrated male and female hormones There are way more frustrated male hormones in sexually liberal culture. Sexual "liberation" was made by women for women, and it improves their condition only, not the human condition. As you say later, massively disincentivizing a lot of men from social participation. No social mores or norms worth the name, collapse of traditional marriage, unleashed female hypergamy, easy no fault divorce, a feminist state that discriminates against men, etc. Examples: most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:53 PM |
| 3 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?The entire post I wrote out explained my point. It didn't. That is why you can't quote a single line of my OP which said that progressive culture is "bad" in "grand detail". Conservative culture denied women sexual freedom. It denied gays freedom. Conservative culture is built upon denying personal freedoms. Way to let the point fly over your head. Your assertion SJW's only strip people of the freedom to be "bigots" by their own definition has just as much merit as my sarcasm of how conservative… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:45 PM |
| 3 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?The entire rest of your post was an extended dig against progressive culture. How so? Just because you associate the word "progressive" with "good" and I said something is not actually progressive? What kind is freedom are progressives trying to curtail, besides the "freedom" to be a bigot? What kind of freedom are conservatives trying to curtail, besides the "freedom" to be depraved? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:27 PM |
| 6 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?And how exactly did I explain in grand detail that it's "bad", again? The whole point of progressive culture is FREEDOM. Unless it's freedom which SJW's don't like, then FUCK YOU SHITLORD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:23 PM |
| 4 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?it was the most artificial time. That's exactly why it's so odd to call it unprogressive. The artificial is what separates humans from animals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:21 PM |
| 3 | One argument in support of Nice Guy shaming is that male nerds are "overprivileged". This argument (if nerd means no social skills) usually has no statistical evidence.Like this? Cross-post: Can we stop pretending that more than 1% of what gets posted on /r/niceguys actually fits their own boogeyman of what a "Nice Guy" is? Take this thread for example in which they dehumanize, insult and ridicule both the OP image and the ForeverAlone sub. " A high-maintenance animal would bring someone way more joy than these pathetic manchildren" is one of the comments. They aren't even trying to hide the reason they're mocking them, and it has nothing to do with treatment … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:17 PM |
| 2 | One argument in support of Nice Guy shaming is that male nerds are "overprivileged". This argument (if nerd means no social skills) usually has no statistical evidence.Can we stop pretending that more than 1% of what gets posted on /r/niceguys actually fits their own boogeyman of what a "Nice Guy" is? Take this thread for example in which they dehumanize, insult and ridicule both the OP image and the ForeverAlone sub. " A high-maintenance animal would bring someone way more joy than these pathetic manchildren" is one of the comments. They aren't even trying to hide the reason they're mocking them, and it has nothing to do with treatment of women. The "crime" i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:15 PM |
| 3 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?You might say the Victorian era was most truly progressive though, having adjusted their values to a level unprecedented before in history, unlike sexual looseness which is just the result of reverting the progress of all past centuries. The term "progressive" is also many times perceived as synonymous to "enlightened" or "intellectual". Which couldn't be farther from the truth in regard to sexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 06:01 PM |
| 1 | Is it correct to call sexual liberation progressive?Well, I'm not even calling it degenerate or anything. As I've emphasized twice, I only believe that it is bizarre to call the phenomena "progressive", when it is in fact regressive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Should accusations of being a "neckbeard" even be deflected?I am standing up for it, you just picked an attribute which was only secondary and pressured me to give you an example in which it is the defining factor ( I.E man wearing lipstick or crossdressing ), which won't be found because it was never the major descriptor. It's still a fact however that all of the men being shamed or mocked share a deviation from the popular perception of manliness. There are plenty of more masculine men who could be targeted by SJW's or feminists, for "behavior" or othe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/16 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Should accusations of being a "neckbeard" even be deflected?some were closed down (Fatpeoplehate) Yes, along with Coontown and others. Guess why. Because they were targeting mostly women and racial groups, while neckbeardthings, or niceguys, or cringepicks, or fedoras, all target socially marginalized males, hence why reddit lets them run. Even if some people who identify as SJW's or feminists post there (I'd like to see proof of that) Those whole subs are one giant proof. There isn't a comment in which someone doesn't make some snarky feminist post or p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/16 01:26 AM |
| 1 | Should accusations of being a "neckbeard" even be deflected?It's not just lack of manliness. It's: centered around virginity, lack of social skills, unmanly appearance or beheavior And you can visit /r/justneckbeardthings which is chokefull of SJW's and feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/16 07:54 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?True, and my boundary for someone's shit-tests is the doorstep. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/16 09:04 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Women just want a man they can respect and trust. How come respect and trust aren't synonymous with assertiveness or strength for me? Essentially you have to have self-respect. Self-respect is an internal feeling and entirely subjective. Gandhi might let people "treat him like a subordinate" or "walk all over him" without reacting according to your definition of strength or self-respect, but in line with his own. It seems like your connotation of "strong, decisive, and assertive" is that of a pi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 07:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Every woman despises weak low status heterosexual men. Even Bluepill women. Even feminist women.Where did I say that? All I told you is that Daniel Radcliffe is not unattractive. He's like a 6/10 at least, while this guy is a 2/10. There's a whole range between that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 07:01 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Every woman despises weak low status heterosexual men. Even Bluepill women. Even feminist women.Here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 01:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Every woman despises weak low status heterosexual men. Even Bluepill women. Even feminist women.If Daniel Radcliffe is your criteria for an unattractive male, then yeah, I guess anything I qualify as sufficiently unattractive will be the epitome of ugliness to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 10:52 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Don't thank me, thank feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/16 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Cool story. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/16 11:33 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.There are some groups, however, that DO speak like this Yes, there are. Especially conservative religious ones. Do those groups characterize western societies though? Not very much. Neither do many American women. Now you're just way over the line with your lying. Do I really need to show you the thousands of pictures or videos with crowds in which pretty much all young women are dressed like it? Especially since there are middle-aged and elderly women. Of course I wasn't talking about old women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/16 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Uh, I think women belly shamed for having sex is a wee bit more common It is more common, doesn't mean that we "live in a society that shames women for sex". You know what would happen to me if I tried to shame a woman for being "slutty" in a group? I would be designated a bitter laughable creep and become a social pariah. Or would it happen differently in the social circles you frequent? On the other hand, if I tried it in say, India perhaps, or maybe in Turkmenistan, maybe it will be different… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/16 03:57 AM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.But a social norm doesn't dictate how women act. They may CHOOSE to act that way, but they're not ordered Who said it dictates or that they are ordered? That they chose to act this way was exactly what I said. Really? You've never called or heard a woman called a slut regarding her sex life? I've heard women being mutilated and stowed in a freezer too. That doesn't mean that we "Live in a society which mutilates women and stows them in freezers". I suggest you pay some attention to your words. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/15 10:40 PM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.given how toxic sexual dynamics and socially constructed gender roles are to men and women, wouldn't we all be better off going our own way? Yeah....that's one of those few things over which I disagree with MGTOW, which is why I don't call myself one. Not that the sexual dynamics or gender roles are toxic ( More to men than women, in my opinion, or in actuality, only to men ), but that far, far more than just sexuality is toxic when it comes to interaction between the genders. And while I can "g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/15 09:59 PM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.You're right, sex-positivity has backfired quickly in the hands of lukewarm feminists still tied to the consumerism of sex and beauty, all of which does nothing but perpetuate objectification. Not sure if you're actually a consistent feminist, or just taking the piss here. But if you really are a sincere radfem, then I accept your rebuttal. Enlighten me, why don't you? First of all, because TRP is dedicated to sexual strategy/PUA, which I have absolutely no interest in. I guess if you really nee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/15 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.All of this is the result of a patriarchal society I'm sure it is, I'm sure it is. Especially when it's those sex-positive feminists, patriarchal agents that they are, who have normalized much of this, which has been considered depraved or disrespectful by the....non-patriarchal societies of the 50's or 1700's. this is incredibly non-redpill of you Did my flair change to the color red or "Redpill" and I haven't noticed? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/15 08:41 PM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Really? That's not how it worked when I was growing up Well...being influenced by what most girls are doing and what famous figures are doing, or the equivalent with men, is how it works in most of the world. What's a trend or a fad, what is the "mainstream", if not what the majority does or what influential people are doing? Except that there are many, many different kinds of women Except that you already conceded it when I said that the majority of women wanted to be as sexual and liberal as p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/15 01:55 AM |
| 3 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.That's why social media is so great for them because they can get all of the validation without having to see that the guy is unattractive Unless he has a picture, and happens to be one of those "fedora" guys, in which case she's off laughing with her friends about "that creep who liked my picture" again. So it pretty much comes down to..women don't really like compliments from men they find unattractive. Unless they can't see him as you say, which is a bit redundant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.But why should someone's individual mindset affect another's sex life? Well, wasn't the poster I responded to talking about the expectations of society? When most women are more liberal than in the past, and most liberal women also freely flaunt and praise their sexuality more than in the past, then the "mainstream attitude" or young girl's inspiration is going to be influenced by what most, or rather most vocal and famous women, are doing and celebrating. Of course, nobody forces you to be infl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 02:58 AM |
| 4 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.(many) women find sexual compliments from men that they would not have sex with more flattering than men would in the reverse situation. Seriously? I'm convinced it's the complete opposite. I've seen women often rolling their eyes, expressing revulsion, talking about how annoyed they are, whenever an unattractive male compliments them, or even calling them "creeps" or saying they don't like those compliments. Whereas most guys seem to react positively to compliments from all women. I believe wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 02:35 AM |
| 3 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Yes, I agree with that. There are several examples which don't really match with attention though. Erotica, for once, both writing and reading, which women usually do by themselves and for themselves. Then there are all those "sex-positive" writings and philosophizing and mental exercises about how wonderful female sexuality is, women who have literally made books about their vaginas, all of the feminist rambling about femininity and sexuality, an so on. Again, something which is more introspect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 01:44 AM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.I have a mild disagreement with you. In many cases, they are, and "encouraging" might not be the perfect word for this, but promoting, or celebrating ( As they say, celebrating your sexuality ), or pushing forward cultural leanings via media or popular support, which lean towards more overt sexuality and liberation. Of course, they also tell women that they can do what they want, they have nothing against women who are not liberated or sexual. But most of them, as individuals, by their own initi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 01:02 AM |
| 3 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.I won't deny they are also drawing attention, but that attention...oddly ( or rather, not so oddly ) happens to be centralized on their sexuality. Do men, on the other hand, garner attention by means of status more than women? While irrelevant to the subject at hand, I wouldn't be so sure. Men have watches and cars, women have designer brands, perfumes, jewelry and a number of other industries associated with status. The reason there are so many women on Instagram showing off is firstly because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Well, when you put it this way, I guess that's true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 12:09 AM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Yes, that's how I titled it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 12:04 AM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmui1Jo-FaE | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/15 12:00 AM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Morally bad? I don't think so. I think it's ill-advised to share nudes with anyone though. But you wouldn't send a nude to a stranger you knowing nothing about and think they will love you for this, because there's no reason why you would feel that way when sending a nude out of the blue to someone you don't know. And therefore it's unrealistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Yes, I know, and I also know that you would never want to do it, which is what I said in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 11:18 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Glad we settled that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Ok, so I know exactly what you would want to or not want to. Thanks for clearing that up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.So...you would send a nude to an anonymous guy on the internet? Ok then, go ahead. If not, then I am right to say what you would or would not do, and in this case, that you would never randomly send nudes to men who's SMV you know nothing about it on the internet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 10:55 PM |
| 2 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.women obsess over relationships to feel validated Wait, so what do any of the examples put forward in my OP have to do with being obsessed over relationships, rather than sexuality? If I offered to send you a nude pic right now in my mind it would be he will love me for this That would hinge on the context, wouldn't it? I'm pretty sure that any girl on tinder with "Looking for hookups" on her profile who swipes a guy based on his image and sends him a nude, is not exactly looking for something s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Aren't you contradicting yourself right now? Your first reaction was that "women value themselves based on sexuality because our society tells them to", but apparently, now you think men are just as preoccupied, so it cannot be society's specific treatment towards women, can it? All red pill Is a tiny fragment of men who are generally reviled by everyone else. Seduction books Are concerned with actively seeking sexual intercourse, which as I said in my OP, is something that men indeed do more, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.But I have yet to pass any judgement on the matter. I have only talked about my observation that women are more preoccupied with their sexuality than men, which you conceded but suggested it occurs because women are told by society to value themselves based on sex, and therefore I wondered if it was not in fact women themselves who brought their own sexuality into the spotlight from the shadows. I never said if it subtracts, or adds to women value, or how I view it. But now that you're asking: A… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 10:20 PM |
| 3 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.Has society not, according to feminists, always supported puritan repression of women's sexuality and shamed women who were not chaste and prudish, and it was women themselves who rebelled against society in order to become "sexually liberated", free the nipple, flaunt themselves as much as they want rather than wearing what men tell them to ( Something plenty of girls in religious schools who need to wear strict uniform like the men are complaining about ) and participate in casual sex as much … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 09:50 PM |
| 6 | Although women are more sexually selective, they are obsessed about their own sexuality astonishingly more than men.If you're thinking about abortion, I consider it a reproductive issues rather than a sexual one. It is not what I had in mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 09:44 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereAnd many men do in fact have to find a partner only much later on in their life with women who already had sex and relationships with higher SMV men in their youth. But hypergamy is not just about looks, far from it. I mentioned social status, wealth, talent, and so on. Make no mistake - even the beta providers that some women settle down with are not on a "lower SMV" than them. Used-up women long past the stage of taking care of themselves are still lower SMV than a beta provider. This whole ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 11:32 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI have the feeling that your math operates under the premise that all humans in the world only have a single relationship in their life with a single partner and that's why it doesn't work out for you. Because one woman for every man, right? In reality people throughout their sexually active lifetime will have hookups, brief relationships, long relationships, and with different people, some of whom will be more popular than others. You could have a 100 guys and a 100 girls and out of those guys,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 10:41 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereYou forgot that hypergamy doesn't end with incels. If the below-average women are pairing with average guys, that's not "good news for average men". Because the average women are pairing up with above average guys. And the above average women are pairing up with Chads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 10:29 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereThere are, and they aren't "fetish guys". If you think the lowest SMV women pair up with the lowest SMV men, then there wouldn't be so many male incels, wouldn't there? There is no smoke without fire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 10:21 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereHopefully that clears it up then. And therefore no female "incels" would be forced to be alone by refusing to couple with men in their league. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 09:44 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI don't see any couples? It's not intended for couples, if you're just looking at the front page. But sometimes couples post there and many times the guy is much more attractive than the woman. There are also other subreddits, other internet websites, craiglist ads, etc, etc... which cater to fat women by a large variety of men But a fetish is a fetish. It's not normal Of course it's not "normal", if by normal you mean something that all men do. Did I ever say all men on the planet date and fuck… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 09:36 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphere/r/gonewildcurvy ( Look at some of the couples ), r4r, BBW fetish dating websites and hookup websites, and so forth. I don't know what circles you hang around, but I've heard tons of guys talking about fucking fat girls because it's easy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 09:17 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereNot incels - the men with no status who are snagged by the feminists/fatties. I'm confused. "No status"? You were asking: Where are all these men with no standards? By which you were referring to my statement about men who would easily have sex with or date fat feminists, while being above their league, yes? The ones who have no standards, not no status. In that case, I'd say most women could find guys who are even 4 to 5 "levels" above their SMV for casual sex. So a 2/10 feminist could have sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 08:07 PM |
| 2 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereWhat type of SMV do these men have then? Incels? When it comes to overall attractiveness? Often 3-4 or less I'd say. I'm not saying both sides are equally right. But both sides are right about something. Well, the feminists could be right about something as far as I'm concerned. But the fact they won't acknowledge men as being right about parallel things disqualifies that in my opinion. Standards as in, they wanted attractive women, but they were not attractive themselves. They claimed to have o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 07:49 PM |
| 2 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereWhere are all these men with no standards? As a male of sufficient SMV to have standards, who presumably befriends other men of the same social strata, you will probably find them far away from you. You could link me to a website if you know of one that explains it. Well, this may seem biased, but the best place to ask for an explanation on why the dispute between the MRM and feminism isn't "balanced" and not "both sides are equally wrong/right" would be /r/Men'sRights. You could start by readin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 01:44 PM |
| 2 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereSo they'd rather be alone then? Some would, most don't have to. Hypergamy is at work and any woman, even a shrieking feminist can snatch males far above her league for sex ( I heard high SMV men talking about fucking fat women because they were an easy lay all the time ), or some provider for a relationship. Some incels even made an OkCupid experiment with the most horrible misandrist profile imaginable, and their fake profile still got messages from men. Fat feminist women don't need to date so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/15 09:22 AM |
| 2 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereWhat of it? Most men don't think of women as such. They don't care about women's social status, or success, or fame as much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 06:54 PM |
| 3 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereHmm thanks, you as well. I don't usually bother posting bandwagons of anecdotal sources to people with an agenda, because they wouldn't accept it anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 06:47 PM |
| 5 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI usually hyperbolically use "Chad" to denote a male of higher SMV than the woman when talking about those cases. But I can only partially concur with your post. When he doesn't commit, they usually realize that they are stuck with a nerdy guy instead, and then the nerdy guy dates her and they have sex. Alpha fux beta bux is a mechanic that does often take place, however, we need to establish what we mean by "nerdy guy" here. You have to remember that we are talking about uncool, incel, nerds, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 02:56 PM |
| 17 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manospherefeminism does NOT excuse women's actions when they do something shitty You mean like how they destroy millions of men for being "Nice Guys" over stupid shit, but when a woman displays typical nice guy behavior and attacks a guy for rejecting her sexual advances very politely, suddenly she's a feminist hero? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3156155/Feminist-hero-publicly-shamed-Tinder-date-voicing-body-type-preference-hypocrite.html Feminist are the fucking WORLD CHAMPIONS of excusing wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 02:19 PM |
| 0 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereWhere oh where did I say that? When you said that you don't know those websites or those terms. They don't know these terms. "Nice guy" I have heard used, so my mistake. Fine. I feel bad for your situation Which situation? and hostile outlook, but you clearly don't want to change your viewpoint. Why won't you change your viewpoint? I don't understand how someone can live like that and ever hope to be happy What the hell are you talking about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 02:14 PM |
| 0 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereEveryone on TBP knows what the So you do know what a NiceGuy is, contrary to your statement earlier, that you have "never heard any of those terms". no, "disgruntled men in the inceldom," "Neckbeards," and "Fedoras" are not terms people I know use to describe other people. Of course they won't do so in real life, and TRP men don't call women branch-swinging hypergamous sluts in real life either, so what's your fucking point? And why are you omitting "NiceGuy" which I've also included? Has it occ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 02:02 PM |
| 0 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereSo now It's "everyday feminists". I don't know what "everyday" is, but most "progressive feminists" know what Jezebel is, and know what the "Nice Guy" trope stands for in all likelihood. As for TBP, you didn't seem to have any objections when I offered to ask there to prove that you're the odd one out and you said I should seriously do so. I also ask you, yet again, if TBP is a flawed example because it openly and frequently discusses those subjects, then how come you know nothing about it? And … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 01:45 PM |
| -1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI didn't explain what they mean because you claimed at the onset that most progressive bluepill feminist women wouldn't even know what they are, and hence they can't hate them. By the way, one user over there said that you were wrong. Like I said, we "progressive women" don't hate men who are nonmasculine or involuntarily celibate Like I said, quit speaking for what the majority of progressive women think when you have absolutely no clue about terms that most of them are familiar with. Most prog… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 01:31 PM |
| -1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereMy response to the to the OP, who said many of those men end up disgruntled and in the inceldom, was that I've seen plenty of feminists "tormenting" and hating men of that category for being NiceGuys and fedoras and et cetera. You feigned innocent and claimed to know nothing. We're done here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 01:21 PM |
| -1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI told you that most progressive women see incels, men who define themselves as incel, men who claim they can't have sex or find relationships, as being scum, and unable to attract women because they are scum. I also told you that many, many "non-masculine nerdy males", who belong to the "inceldom of the manosphere" as OP says, are dubbed NiceGuys and fedoras, and many negative attributes are labelled on them, and that progressive women frequently mock them. In response you claimed most progress… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 01:19 PM |
| -1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI'm talking about the vast majority of men who identify themselves as incels, and in addition to that, we also talked about "NiceGuys" and fedoras, who are part of that "Inceldom" the OP is discussing, which you told me are not hated or stereotyped by progressive women, and that most of them don't even know what those terms are and wouldn't say anything about them. But let me guess, you forgot about the NiceGuys and fedoras? Going to a subreddit that openly discusses those terms is hardly gettin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 01:13 PM |
| -2 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereOh, moving the goalposts aren't you? First you claimed that almost no feminist or progressive bluepill woman would even know the terms or what those websites are. You didn't ask if they hate men simply for being involuntarily celibate. That's not what we agree upon. Let me repeat my offer: and ask if any progressive women are present, and how many of them know what Jezebel is or what a NiceGuy is, have heard the terms, and talked about how much they despise incels and fedoras too? That includes … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 01:06 PM |
| -2 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereThe Blue Pill. A dedicated ridicule and personality assassination sub. non-hateful. A grand joke, almost as funny as the dictionary definition. I think you may be surprised at how I'll most likely be banned from the sub for asking a question and for being part of the "manosphere" ( I guess ), or at best case, receive a completely non-serious response. But I'll do as you ask. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/3y2ucs/i_was_wondering_if_any_of_you_guys_are_familiar/ I hope you'll … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 12:59 PM |
| 3 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereWomen? Really? Yes. Of course they have to be attracted to you. If by "Chad" you mean you have to be perfect then that's rubbish. I mean a relatively high SMV male of good social standing and dominant demeanor. I'm assuming you won't judge her for her body then, if you expect the same? I couldn't care less about her body, personality matters to me most. However, if you think a fat feminist woman would be interested in someone in her own league rather than being hypergamous, or that she would dit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 12:50 PM |
| 0 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI don't think you understand. Let's say I meet a feminist who either hates incels and NiceGuys, or doesn't know anything about it in real life, under ordinary circumstances. I meet her at school, or at some place, and we talk. I'm not going to ask her "Hey, as a feminist, you hate incels and NiceGuys, right?" because that would be awkward and a topic I don't want to broach and start and argument with in real life either, especially with a feminist. Neither is she going to come to me one day and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 12:39 PM |
| 0 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereWhat exactly are you talking about? You must be very new to the debate about feminism, if you are not aware of the controversy surrounding the use of "dictionary definition" to cover up actions which are contradictory to that definition by feminists and the feminist movement as a whole. Here, these are the results you get when looking for "feminism" and "dictionary" in youtube. Everyone is familiar with the jig by now. I think it's relevant because you have such a caustic view of what you think … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 12:32 PM |
| 0 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereSo you're one of the feminists who point to the dictionary ( Rather than to feminist theory as articulated in social studies ) and discount every feminist behavior that you wish to sweep under the rug, no matter if it's the sanctioned by the most famous feminists or supported by the majority of feminists. That's really generic. How long have you been a feminist? No matter, I guess it's not your fault. most feminists aren't on these sites, and that just because a site represents itself as feminis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 12:14 PM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI'm not talking about "radical feminists". Neither Jezebel nor Feministe or any other of the feminist spaces who do recognize the terms I've given and see fit to bash these sort of "Incel Guys" identify themselves as radfems, neither are any of them TERF's, and their dominant branch is third-wave sex positive feminism. In fact, I'd say radfems are probably the least concerned with that type of cyber-bullying than the younger "lipgloss feminists". You seem to think I don't know much about feminis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:58 AM |
| 1 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereSo internet websites such as Jezebel or Feministe or FeministFrequency and all the millions of feminists who subscribe to them can be dismissed as extremists because they are on the internet? And so can any feminists on Twitter or social media who do know what a "NiceGuy" or "Fedora" is perfectly well? In that case, yes, that's what I base my view of feminists on. As for my view on feminism, I base it on reading books by Bell Hooks, Naomi Wolf or Germaine Greer, and their philosophy still remain… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:45 AM |
| 0 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereAnd I don't think the vast majority of feminists know or recognize any of the terms you listed. Oh, really? Like the ones listed in this article ( Scroll down to segment III. ) which illustrates perfectly well what your compatriots are doing to slander men they don't like with those terms? Or those feminists? Or the girls talking about those terms here Yeah, sure they know nothing about those terms. had personal experiences No need for personal experience, they tirelessly talk about how incels a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:36 AM |
| 10 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereAs I've edited my post to add, those "disgruntled men in the inceldom" are the guys you spend tormenting as being "Nice Guys" and "Fedoras" and "Neckbeards". Every feminist I've met thinks that incels are scum. So tell me, feminist, would you date those guys? Because if you wouldn't, then more feminists like you wouldn't mean more dates for them, right? There you go, OP is wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:27 AM |
| 8 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI told you to stop being trite. My reply wasn't to you and I'm not trying to prove anything to you. You want to believe otherwise, feel free to do so. What source do you expect for what feminists bluepill progressives like other than asking them yourself? Go ask them if they seek relationships with non-masculine nerdy men. Where would you do that? I told you, Jezebel, TwoXChromosomes, and so on. Here are your damn links: https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/ http://jezebel.com/ And I also to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:18 AM |
| 6 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI don't like them all. As for feminists, I hardly share your experience. They'll buy drink for Chad or someone they can see as valuable for them, so will many women. But buying drinks or not or paying for dates or not is the least of all when it comes to gender roles. What I'm talking about here is perception of the other gender. If a feminist doesn't want to be judged by her body or superficially, she should not judge men by their body, or their status. If she thinks a woman is allowed to do an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:16 AM |
| 10 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereDon't be trite. There is no source that either confirms or denies it, because nobody goes around asking women those kind of questions, much less in sufficient quantity to constitute a "source" for you. However you can visit Jezebel or TwoX or other "progressive female" hangouts and ask them just how much they prefer "non-traditional and non-masculine" shy insecure nerds. They certainly seem to prefer making fun of their romantic advances though, I can tell you that. Which they never do to mascul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:11 AM |
| 3 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereI have similar personality and background to many incels, except for the fact that I can't suffer the sight of anyone who thinks that they're my better or that I need to "prove myself" for their attention as women are, unless that person is giving me money. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:09 AM |
| 8 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereWhere did I say that I'm an incel, Broskidoski? I think you are so convinced that one can only argue in favor of incels if one is an incel himself, which made you see things that aren't there. I have not spoken about myself as an incel in any of my posts about incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:02 AM |
| 4 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereIf she was willing to see me as an equal in every single way ( Which is impossible to find in women when it comes to their own view of male gender roles. also meaning not thinking of me as a utility or status symbol ), then yes. And my caveat is not specifically for this woman, it's something I'd demand to even consider talking to any woman, since you're asking me personally. Consequently, no single woman stands up to scrutiny so far. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 11:00 AM |
| 13 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereTheir own unlimited acknowledgement of that fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 10:58 AM |
| 13 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereAre you fucking kidding me? Clearly you know jack shit about nerds and never seen all the cliques where a bunch of nerdy guys try to date the nerdy woman of the group, who turns down all of them and fucks anyone but them instead. The whole reason incels exist is because women are the ones who only want Chads and not someone on their level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 10:24 AM |
| 22 | There aren't enough "blue pill" "progressive" (etc) women, thus you end up with disgruntled men and inceldom and "red pill" manosphereYou are extremely naive if you think "blue pill progressive feminists" want non-traditional non-masculine men. It's the other way around, actually. Most of them want the most masculine man imaginable with all of the responsibilities he must do for them, while fulfilling none of their own female gender roles in exchange. That's just feminism in a nutshell - whine about negative female gender roles and obligations while craving all the male "benefits", yet laugh at "male tears" and browbeat a male… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 10:23 AM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?how easy an incel female could get sex or not. You probably shouldn't use the word "incel female" then. an Incel is someone who cannot get sex. Im actually talking about how as a woman, (incel or not) how difficult it is to have sex with a male incel. I disagree with that as well. First of all, I haven't really seen a lot of average or high SMV men pretending to be a "desperate virgin" to sleep with an incel-seeking female. The foremost reason for that, is because it never fucking happens. No wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/15 12:10 PM |
| 0 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?They want-- quite naturally-- sex with someone who likes them Yes. and wants to be there That's how sex is conducted legally, I believe. and probably they want sex with someone they're attracted to "Want"? Possibly, but they WILL have sex with almost any woman, unlike: and is attractive Which is not the same. I also can't imagine the insane inflated standards of a woman whom thousands of different men are not attractive enough for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/15 11:34 AM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Step one is to identify the incel. Post 'looking for desperate virgin' on some sort of personals site, and suddenly everyone is a deperate virgin. So you admit not only women have no trouble finding an incel, but any number of men will also jump on the opportunity as well? You understand that you are only proving my point. Nobody said it must be an incel, I proposed them because they are guaranteed to be interested in almost any woman. But if you assert that not only incels would be interested i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/15 11:24 AM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?If any woman really wanted to find a man in Australia who is either incel, or even just someone on any dating website with low standards, she could easily do so, I'm sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 03:34 PM |
| 2 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestYes, obviously. Nothing I say about female characteristics cannot apply to a portion of males too, to some extent. Somewhat analogous to saying how most aquatic animals swim, but that doesn't exempt mammals and humans from swimming occasionally too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 01:34 PM |
| 2 | Women of PPD: What advice would you give to a guy who asked you how to get women to have sex with him?That would really depend on the guy, wouldn't it? I highly doubt you would have sex with a large number of the kind of guys who need to ask for advice on how to get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 08:01 AM |
| 3 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".That depends, wouldn't ideally want to have sex, or wouldn't have sex with? I'm sure plenty of obese incels are fine with obese women, and so are others. I'm not really convinced about the validity of your 90% figure. Why haven't we seen any of those very fat very unattractive women asking incels to have sex with them in the first place? Why do all self-proclaimed "female incels" or "FA women", which as a redpiller I'm sure you must know is something almost impossible for a woman to think about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 07:31 AM |
| 3 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestHaving an underdeveloped female brain, in all likelihood. Women rarely need a reason to gossip and ostracize like highschoolers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 07:23 AM |
| 5 | Women are more attracted to men other women are attracted to.Probably biological. It means his genes are good I guess and it also indicates "safe" in some way, which is also important. Don't forget female herd mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 06:32 PM |
| 2 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestthey are only called creeps if the women don't like them And no woman likes incels, so point in case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 06:29 PM |
| 3 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestNone of them are incels. They banned every single male from asking them out and they frequently gather in that sub to bitch about ex boyfriends or how no guy matches their standards, in complete obliviousness to the meaning of "Forever Alone" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 06:28 PM |
| 7 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestPlease stop spreading around that "male incels have high standards" myth when it has been disproved a thousand times. I have personally told so-called "low SMV" women to visit any incel community and try to set up a date. None of them agreed, because they all know male incels would be only too happy to do so. Male incels repeatedly attempted to seek out and approach fat, ugly, boring, overall unattractive women, including a notorious incident in which FAwomen practically had to ban them all from… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 06:26 PM |
| 3 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestThere is a word in female-speak for incels who make moves on them and declare sexual interest - "Creeps". And if you are smart, you will understand how I have summarized my broad view on the matter with that short statement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 06:12 PM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?And I acknowledged that I'm sure it feels sucky for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 04:10 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".There certainly is. Omegas, older virgins, and in light of your age, you can probably consider yourself FA too. You belong to a very, very tiny percentage of males. However I cannot in good faith consider someone who might've had the option to lose his celibacy as an incel, both because it's technically speaking an inaccurate term and also because otherwise I'll have to start acknowledging other people and women who rejected people as incels and argue what the threshold for rejecting someone is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 04:08 AM |
| 1 | If being a female is so much easier, why don't you get gender reassignment?Weak troll. So are you a feminist or not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 03:44 PM |
| 0 | If being a female is so much easier, why don't you get gender reassignment?Implying you aren't | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 03:32 PM |
| 1 | If being a female is so much easier, why don't you get gender reassignment?Being a female is easier, being a dude with artificial hormone imbalance is not. However, I can do more than just point out the obvious as everyone has done already. I can decimate your pathetic query theoretically as well. There are many low SMV males being treated like shit by gynocentric society who expressed a wish to be born female. So, if the Wizard of Oz materialized in their room and offered them to become an actual female, there will be quite a few who might accept. If there are already… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?I do take issue with them, it's a very hard task though, since for some reason they have the support of most women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 02:21 PM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Did anyone ask for your sympathy? I don't invalidate their feelings, I'm sure not getting Chad must feel bad for a female. Is it anywhere near the magnitude of an incel? No, it isn't. Just like an incel's suffering is nowhere near that of many other people in the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 02:19 PM |
| 0 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".Are you talking to me? Because you have a very critical misunderstanding. I'm not against incels, if you've been living under a rock for the last month or so, I happen to be one of the most vocal defender of incels on this sub. But incel is not by any means a description of "low-status unattractive males" without the added requirement of being involuntarily celibate as well. Neither semantically, nor was it coined that way, nor is it used with the distinction of "low-status unattractive male" in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 11:42 AM |
| 3 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".Well, he certainly can have those concerns, and for most of these guys, they are likely to be incels, however, the very definition incel implies that the celibacy must be involuntary. Now, in order to no longer be celibate, one must necessarily have intercourse with another person. And to do so, one must instigate such an interaction with another person. There are two factors determining the outcome of this action, number 1 is the incel's willingness ( Which by default, is positive ) and number … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 09:23 AM |
| 8 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".Yes, I know about your peculiarity. But your rationale is not precise. Of course, nobody can meet every single potential partner in the world and thus be an incel with absolute certification for all 8 billion people. However, an effort and willingness still needs to be demonstrated on their part so we can give them the label of "incel-until-proven-otherwise". Rember, an incel is someone who wants sexual ( or/and romantic ) relations but simply cannot enter into them with almost anyone that would… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 08:49 AM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?He was talking about /u/madethisfortaleden, not you. Didn't you see he said "he", not "she"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 08:15 AM |
| 2 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".Well, "ForeverAlone" might have a slightly more loose definition, but I don't think they are hospitable to people who have received interest from girls, much less rejected it. One thing for sure is that you need to be a virgin with no previous romantic relations whatsoever to be "ForeverAlone". I know of some guys on FA who said that some girls might have hinted to them that they are into them in the past, but they were too shy, oblivious or afraid to do something about it and nothing happened. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:41 AM |
| 4 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".To be honest, you're not an incel. You certainly are unsuccessful with women or unattractive and romantically struggling, but "incel" is reserved for those that aren't wanted by anyone, like the guys on the loveshy forums who asked out 400 women and got turned down. Not saying you aren't of low SMV and probably going to have very few chances with women, but incel has a very rigid standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:29 AM |
| 7 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".Since you're judging all incel guys going off by one anecdotal example, do you also judge all self-proclaimed incel women by some bad experiences someone had with a few of them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:28 AM |
| 2 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".That would still make incel women non-existent. There are many non-cruel guys who would actually like them and aren't deformed or obese, if only amongst male incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:27 AM |
| 12 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".All of those are women that any incel would be glad to hit on, especially "hikikomori" type women that many incels feel they might have a connection with. If they are ignored it's because they never want someone on their level. Hikikomori women don't want basement dwellers, and women with bad bodies don't want skinnyfat nerds with acne. You should go to GoneWildCurvy or some picture posting sub one time and you'll see millions of fat ugly women with cellulitis next to muscular men. You won't see… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:25 AM |
| 5 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".There are no incel women and no woman is ignored by all men. They're being ignored by men they find attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:23 AM |
| 12 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".Amazing to see the most upvoted comment in this thread is a retarded strawman which has been disproven an infinite number of times. You could easily go to any incel sub posing as an unattractive woman and dispel your illusions. But no, you're going to keep repeating it like a fucking dogma, because you are a subversive ideologue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Well, Redpillers are hostile to MGTOW's in general, but there is some conflict drama going on between Sandman and Stardusk which dragged other MGTOW's into that feud, and I find that shameful because I like both Sandman and Stardusk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 01:53 AM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?I don't think so, the only change which comes after maturity is decrease in hormones, which certainly helps tone down their emotional instability a bit, and also a loss of their ability to exert power over others using their sexuality to satisfy their narcissism and gynocentric behavior, but the brain structure is still mostly the same. Plenty of women with a gynocentric, manipulative and solipsistic attitude long after their fertile stages. I think Karen and others are neurological anomalies. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 01:35 AM |
| 2 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?they hardly know based on coincidence or beauty? Did I say beauty? I'm asking you what choice is there for someone that hardly anyone wants but to try dating girls according to proximity or availability. Because he can't fucking select any girl he wants, since most women don't want him. How about... getting to know them and sharing intimacy before falling so hard? How would an incel get to know someone and share intimacy when no female wants to do it with him? The incel is just worse. He gives o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 11:52 PM |
| 2 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Karen Straughan is truly a NAWALT amongst women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 11:47 PM |
| 7 | Some actual "red pill" truths that are hard for red pill dudes to swallowYeah, those things take a lot of time for men too, and there is no guarantee of success or even progress either. As for people who are socially awkward, it depends highly on the cause. If it mostly developed from environmental factors, it might be possibly to swiftly learn to socialize ( Which most of those people already do by the time they're out of highschool ), if it's something more genetic, be it a certain social inclination or mannerism, especially if exhibited since early childhood in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:22 PM |
| 2 | Why is the tone of this sub always so negative (incels, "Nice Guys" being mistreated, etc)? There's more to RedPill than that.Well, of course they can't offer decent arguments, their sub doesn't foster arguments or critical thinking in the first place, only egging and ridicule. You seen The Force Awakens yet? I've heard it's kickass Sadly not, even though I'm a sci-fi fan. I don't really like going to the cinema. I'll probably watch it much later than now, when it's up on DVD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:17 PM |
| 6 | Some actual "red pill" truths that are hard for red pill dudes to swallowBlackpill truth: 6) Most people are not very nice or just, notably women. The people who are fundamentally repellent to others are the ones you can rely on the best. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:14 PM |
| 5 | Some actual "red pill" truths that are hard for red pill dudes to swallowAren't you the one who made a thread about female incels? Seems like you're only for bettering yourself when talking to men. When it comes to women, you want it acknowledged how hard they have it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:11 PM |
| 2 | Why is the tone of this sub always so negative (incels, "Nice Guys" being mistreated, etc)? There's more to RedPill than that.Not sure if Poe's Law... if you know what I mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:09 PM |
| 2 | Why is the tone of this sub always so negative (incels, "Nice Guys" being mistreated, etc)? There's more to RedPill than that.Xemnas, I'm only now noticing your new flair. Needles to say I am very pleased by your title. You should paint it black indeed. Join the dark side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:07 PM |
| 3 | Why is the tone of this sub always so negative (incels, "Nice Guys" being mistreated, etc)? There's more to RedPill than that.I hope I've earned the honor of making it to your list too. Even though I never talk about my personal life at all, I'm mostly busy pointing out the hypocrisy of how women behave to incels/neckbeards/niceguys etc versus how they think that men and society should behave towards them, or alternatively deconstructing misconceptions and falsehoods about incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Gotta get dem GILF's, they probably can pull of some pretty neat positions with that crutch. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?Much more complicated and time-consuming than what? Than what!? Than this diatribe. Yea, it's stupid. Probably the reason it never got any attention. "Bye Felipe" and other instagram accounts and blogs for tinder shaming got a decent amount of attention so I have no idea what you're talking about. More than that, Tinder is just a case study to illustrate an overarching trend. Communities like NiceGuysofOkCupid, or CreepyPM's work in an identical format - Take something completely trivial said by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 04:52 PM |
| 2 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?That would be entirely true, although a much more complicated and time-consuming realization for someone like you. In the meantime, I was rather only trying to convince you that making whole blogs and websites in which you upload peoples private conversations with you with the stated intent of "Publicly shaming them, humiliating them, and forcing them to apologize" just for asking "dtf?" or saying "love" is a bit of a psychotic and frankly very hypocritical ( coming from feminists and feminist-m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Nor will he ever respond to my request to go to friendless people from diverse backgrounds and tell all of them they are ungenerous and anti-social, or inform women who testify that they watch netflix most of the day that they are "unwilling to pursue any activity that does not serve themselves alone", or sum up to them why they are "lazy, self-absorbed human leeches" as he had no problem doing as long as it's a weak and small group like male incels which he had no qualms spinning wild ad homine… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?I think I distantly recalled your participation in some thread about it in the past, but nevermind, perhaps you haven't, as I don't really remember where it was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 04:16 PM |
| 2 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?when a minor situation (posting some stuff online) has you all sorts of worked up Both of the sources explicitly say that their goal is to "Publicly shame and humiliate" those men by doing so and even forcing them to "apologize". Which can only work under threat of defamation and social exclusion, of course. It's literally defamation and slander. They blacklist those men, spread their info around to other women and tell them to go shame them to their friends, and them to their friends and friend… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 04:14 PM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?You did, dude. You called the guys "neckbeards." You don't get a neckbeard if you groom yourself. Weren't you just deliberately attributing your "unpleasant and arrogant personality" accusation to the part where I said neckbeard, instead of the fat and ugly part? So first you take neckbeard metaphorically, and now you take it literally? Sorry, but I'll have to pass. I mean, knocking down all of those straw men sounds like fun and all They are your strawmen though. You're the one who translated "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:56 PM |
| 4 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?I read it. You think women's feelings when they don't get Chad are equivalent to male incels when ostracized by the entire opposite sex and never get a shred of affection in their entire life, and that the "fee-fee way" is a valid comparison to male incels, making them the same, as Carkudo was saying: "Now, the question is, are they the same as male incels? Right? There are three possible ways to view this." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?I don't think you know what public shaming is. TRP doesn't expose the private details of a women on a public domain for the purpose of publicly shaming and humiliating them where they can see it and be socially harmed by it like it's their daily bread. And if they do, it's reviled by almost everyone else, not celebrated by the media and feminists and whiteknights like they do when they shame males. Feel free to call men pigs in TwoXChromosomes as much as you want, it doesn't count as public sham… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:49 PM |
| 2 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?You were endorsing the OP, who claims that women can be "involuntarily single" and that it is the female alternative to male incels. And what does invalidating their feelings even mean? Sure, I'm confident that women feel really bad when Chad doesn't want them, just like I'm sure some women feel like they've been through a warzone when someone microaggresses against them or when daddy won't buy the new car. Even though it's not my experience, I understand that it is very difficult for them subje… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?Nice lip service. I trust we won't be seeing you complaining about public shaming of women ever again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:40 PM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?So you would agree those women are mean? Weren't you justifying those actions in the relevant threads? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Someone who's fat can dress well to their body type and present themselves well. Someone who's ugly can use skincare products and makeup to improve their appearance Who said they don't? You immediately made the judgement that those males wouldn't do so just because I said "fat and ugly". You literally said that a fat and ugly male must mean he doesn't groom himself. And there are always sex workers with whom men can have sex, which means that it's impossible for a man to be "incel," right? Prosi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?Depending on the offense, I'm not against a good public shaming every now and then. Should there be some good public shaming every now and then for feminists who say something that seems misandrist to some men, or public shaming of girls who come off as too creepy or sexual or whatever on dating apps? but it's their right to do so. Is it men's right to do so to women too? Because according to the law, it's cyber-bullying and "menacing use of devices" and privacy violation and harassment when it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:11 PM |
| 4 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?I want to see you explicitly repeating right now that if a woman is fat or ugly, it must be because she's unwilling to groom and take care of herself. I'm gonna save it and pop in sometime to one of your favorite subs and see what your feminist friends have to say about it. I don't see this as a gendered issue, dude Is that why you focus solely on males and never criticized a female a single time in your life? The men you describe and their women counterparts can't sit around, never change, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:06 PM |
| 2 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Yes, and plenty of men have the same problem with women they aren't being aroused by. That's called being an ordinary person, not an incel. If your problem is that you can't find a man that you are aroused by to have a relationship with, you're not an incel. And it certainly does seem bizarre if they don't find a single male attractive enough and yet also within their league to agree to date them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:01 PM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Does that apply to women too, you hypocrite whiteknight? Because over at "niceguys" sub, if a guy says he seeks all those traits in a female partner while not having any of em' himself, you call him entitled and lynch him. Unless the man's looking for a psychic girlfriend, the onus is on him to display the positive traits that others seek. And the onus is on women to do the same with men, so they can't be "incels". You probably don't even think that men can be "incels" either or that the word "i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:54 PM |
| 2 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?you're still not going to eat a Styrofoam box out of a dumpster I think this analogy is even more inaccurate than a previous one. Being in a relationship with a low SMV male doesn't damage your health and it is possible to appreciate and cherish someone just for how they behave and how much they're there for you, no matter their success or status or popularity. The example person you described is someone who is antisocial and ungenerous (friendless) Oh boy, here we go again...you really believe … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:47 PM |
| 3 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Every woman could have love and relationship if they weren't picky. Male incels couldn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:36 PM |
| 3 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Well, it doesn't have to be sex per-se, neuro-chemicals such as oxytocin which give a pleasurable sensation are released in most acts of physical affection ( Kissing, cuddling ). But contradicting your point somewhat, I actually do believe they can be released via verbal and visual stimuli too, just like sexual attraction. You can look at a woman from afar and feel attracted to her. A similar process can also take place when talking to a woman that you like or looking at her or receiving approva… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:33 PM |
| 4 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Really? Yet women's cruelty seems to be entirely lost on them when they're publicly shaming, humiliating, mentally abusing and cyber-bullying people for being "neckbeards" or "nice guys" and so forth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:24 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?Well ok then, great for you. Nevertheless you are responding to a question thread titled "Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy ( of public shaming ) possibly be justified?" and you haven't decisively said if you think it's justified or not ( Although the implication is that you think it is, despite not doing so in your personal incidents ), so I'm laying out the reasons why such a view would be erroneous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:15 PM |
| 4 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?they seek them to share and enrich their lives with a partner worth sharing it. Yes, but unlike "people of any gender", one gender has more demanding definitions for which partners are "worth sharing it" than the other gender. Your examples of "friendless, jobless, fat, ugly neckbeards who play video games all day" aren't going to enrich anyone Correction, they aren't going to "enrich" YOU. You don't get to decide what "enriching" is or whether some people even need to be "enriched" to want a re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?None of the guys in those examples, nor do thousands of other guys targeted by those blogs and those websites have said so, so I'm not sure what are you trying to accomplish here. And by the way - I don't think public shaming is appropriate in any situation, even if they insulted your family and told you that you're useless cumdumpster who should stay in the kitchen. There are plenty of feminists saying much much meaner things to men, or about men, and as soon as someone even so much as criticiz… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 01:58 PM |
| 3 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Half of all men might have the capacity to be picky and disdainful of a really hideous 1/10 woman when they are 5/10 and above, sure. Of course, it's that woman's fault for discarding the other half. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 12:29 PM |
| 4 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?"All day" is of course figuratively for doing it in all of their spare time. Granted, I didn't mean they never sleep or eat either because they play all day. They can meet them in school, a game store, and most especially online. Whether it be online media or forums or dating websites, the web is crawling with them. After all the romantic pursuits of these guys are where /r/justneckbeardthings and /r/niceguys get all their material from so they can sadistically shame and harass them. If a woman … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 11:55 AM |
| 3 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Where did homeless and old suddenly come into this conversation? Look, what the fuck is the problem with you bluepillers? Why do you need to victimize women so fucking badly? Why not just accept that women have tons of places catering to them with tons of men wanting relationship but it's no the same for men? Maybe it's men's fault, that something a bloop can get along with, right? Does it bother you so much for there to be even a single thing in which men can say they have a harder gender probl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 11:01 AM |
| 2 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?I didn't say only "to have sex", I said to ask them out. Of course you need to ask them out first before reaching the sex part. To date, to come over for sex, or whatever. And yes, guys who have never asked out any girl or at least tried talking to them with that aim cannot know if they are incels, and therefore are not until they find themselves unable to get interest from girls after approaching. The exceptions to that are instances in which it is clear women, or specific women are not interes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 10:58 AM |
| 2 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Yes, I agree with you, but I go even further to say that even women with the worst personality issues and mental disorders still get men courting them for a relationship. The only way that would not happen is if their issue manifested in a way which makes completely reluctant to ask out men or shun all the men who show interest in them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 09:58 AM |
| 3 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?And by "severe issue with socializing", meaning never asking out anyone or rejecting the men who do ask them out.As for very, very "chubby", again, I would very much question how many obese men they asked out. There is even a sizable number of perfectly experienced, average looking men out there with a thing for "BBW's". Lots of black guys also seem to go out with women of the sort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 09:27 AM |
| 9 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Well first of all not everyone has a "oneitis", far from it, many just want a relationship with someone they could get along with and would show interest in them ( And as long as that's denied, it is not possible ). As for beauty, it would hardly be unique to incels to have a first impression from someone's appearance, on the opposite, I'd say they are more lenient than the general population. Regarding proximity or coincidental contact, what other choice do they have? he could be treating a wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 09:00 AM |
| 1 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Chad is a bit of an exaggeration for the purpose of a punchline, I'll admit. But average men, or below-average men who are still of higher or equal SMV to the landwhales? Those men are certainly available even to the lowest of women, Yet most sub-5 men are unworthy to those women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 08:09 AM |
| 2 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Thanks I think. Hero of common sense and satisfactory evidence? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 08:02 AM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?You said it's only weird if it's about something written in his profile. As far as you're concerned though, it was fine to publicly shame every single man on that list. Because they have done something so horrible that they deserve it. Like calling someone "love" or asking if they can see boobs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 07:56 AM |
| 6 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?To imagine how narcissistic you'd have to be Never underestimate women's ability when it comes to that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 07:54 AM |
| 7 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?There are tons of guys who want them. There aren't many guys that they want, because they have high standards. Those women are not involuntarily single and not the same as incels. Their correct label is picky. If they lowered their standards they would find many guys they can have a relationship with. And no, that doesn't apply to male incels, unless you have some unknown proof to the contrary which hasn't surfaced in the last few years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 07:49 AM |
| 6 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?That sub is about exactly what you would expect. Here is one gem of a thread and some selected comments as well: "I've been seeing my SO for more than 6 months" "I'm not really sure. I don't like touching people or people touching me and I've only met a couple people in my life I enjoy spending a ton of time with. I don't know if relationships would work for me." "I've found guys that liked me enough to ask me on a date ( a whole two) but they where huge no's both 10 years younger then me, and i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 07:29 AM |
| 2 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?how would you feel Nothing. I would feel absolutely nothing if some girl asked to see my dick on a hookup service, or if a guy asked for that matter ( Even though I'll advise him grindr is the right place for guy-on-guy action ), and I would feel nothing if some girl made a sexual pun to me on Tinder. I would certainly not be out for public lynching vengeance against some woman for calling me "handsome" or "love" or "babe". And if I did I'm sure you would be the first to tell me what a dangerous… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 06:58 AM |
| 14 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?I don't need any comfort, I need facts. The fact is, choose any "involuntarily single" woman you want, better yet yourself, and let her go to /r/ForeverAlone or to the LoveShy forum or certain dating websites for low SMV men, and she'll easily find dates as soon as she asks. If that does not happen then let it be known that I, Drenzard, am a lying piece of shit and a moron that nobody should ever listen to ever again, in the event that dragoness shows me a female being rejected by all of them af… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 06:47 AM |
| 10 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?The men in your imagination, or the men that you regularly talk with on FA, LoveShy forums, and other actual incel gathering places? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 06:41 AM |
| 13 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?A relationship usually involves getting to know someone who was "random" at first, as extremely common for people meeting through dating websites, or meeting someone in a bar, and so forth. Even relationships that come out of friendships also mean befriending the person first. And all of that can only happen of course provided which people women consider "worthy" enough to get to know or give a chance to by actually going to them and striking up a conversation or going on a date. The fact remain… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 06:19 AM |
| 17 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Even the women she describes don't actually exist. The men on "ForeverAlone" sub, and tons of those shy, awkward incel types, are actually looking mostly for relationships. You know the meme "that feel when no girlfriend"? Most of those guys usually talk about how much they wish they had a girlfriend. Any woman could go there and have a relationship. Guess how many women went there and proposed to FA males to be their girlfriend? Zero. There hasn't been a female in all of the sub's history who s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:43 AM |
| 9 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Funny how those men are rarely encountered by such women in real ife. Maybe if such women weren't willing to hang around only with Chads, they would encounter those men. LOL, no. There are plenty of women for whom men show zero interest beyond wanting a quick fuck; I used to be one of those women. How many friendless, jobless, fat, ugly neckbeards who play video games all day have you asked out on dates? If your answer is zero, then please stop using the word "men", and starting saying "men I wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:33 AM |
| 9 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?An "incel dating website", unless oriented to homosexuals ( Who aren't prominently incel in the first place ), wouldn't accomplish shit, because females aren't incels, never can be, and definitely don't want to date male incels. You might as well ask why don't all the guys on ForeverAlone date the women on ForeverAloneWomen. The reason is right at FAwomen's sidebar - they banned every single male from offering relationships to them, because they are repulsed by male FA losers. Your incel dating … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:29 AM |
| 7 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?Sure, males of 5/10 SMV and above too, I'll give you that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:25 AM |
| 4 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?And by "men" you mean Chads, as always. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:23 AM |
| 11 | Can we agree that the female alternative to incel is ‘involuntarily single’?No, we can't agree on that either. There are men would be willing to have a relationship with any woman as well, because there are plenty of incels and FA's who desire love and affection equally and if not moreso than they desire sex. It follows logically that one cannot be "Forever Alone" or "Incel" if they could easily enter relationships with women. But just as with sex, women don't want the men who are interested in them. Feel free to direct any ugly or awkward female who seeks a relationshi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:22 AM |
| 7 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Good for you. Make sure that next time you don't say something like "There is a kind of ugly woman that all men ignore" when what you really mean to say "There are ugly women that plenty of men would flirt and have sex with but they aren't interested in sex". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:18 AM |
| 8 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Way to move the goalposts and dodge responsibility for your baseless claims. You said there is a woman that ALL MEN IGNORE, and therefore an "incel", so I told you that I can find 100 men who won't ignore her and be eager to have sex with her. Whether she wants to have sex or not is another topic. The fact remains, there isn't a woman that all men ignore and there are no female incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 05:11 AM |
| 5 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Your life is a godsend compared to what happens to shy and homely males. Try being ostracized by everyone from age 0 to 18 and then actually getting some attention, but of the negative being beaten to the ground and harassed kind. Secondly, I don't see how is that at all relevant to being incel. First of all age 10 and 15 is hardly the right time to talk about. Like 50% of normal human beings have had a rough phase in those years, most of them have attention and sex and relationships just fine a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 04:08 AM |
| 3 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?No, just like all women, she thinks she doesn't get any male attention because she only wants attention from Chad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:56 AM |
| 6 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Nice response if it wasn't complete bullshit. Send any ugly buckteeth ratty hair girl you want to me and I'll find 100 men willing to fuck her within a single day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:55 AM |
| 3 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?In some countries prostitution is not legal, and besides, the term excludes professional services. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 03:07 AM |
| 8 | CMV: Stereotyping men with certain behaviours into a pejorative Nice Guy™ archetype is dehumanising towards men, and thus betrays an example of contemporary feminist hypocrisy.Except that those "subset" of men strawmanned and accused of being "Nice Guys" are not misogynists and have done nothing wrong to anyone whatsoever. Just like if TRP accused a "subset" of women for being branch swinging sluts and manipulative cunts on some shaky premise, when they are guilty of nothing of the sort. Only 1% of so-called men accused of being Nice Guys have actually screamed at a woman to her face that they are entitled to sex or verbally abused her after she was being friendly and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:56 AM |
| 1 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?That's true for female incels, completely false for male incels. It's a myth circulated by bluepillers because they don't want to believe someone can actually be an incel. In most incel communities, you can't call yourself an incel if there is EVEN A SINGLE WOMAN, no matter how fat or ugly, who would agree to have sex with or date you. That's a strict rule. The term "incel" denotes someone who simply nobody wants to have sex with, not for someone who could have sex but chooses not to. Which is w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:11 AM |
| 6 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?I call her a woman who ignores all the nerds and ugly guys and beta orbiters who would be desperately interested in her yet they are invisible to her because she doesn't even think of them as "men". There is no such a thing as a woman that all men ignore. There is only a woman whom Chads ignore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:08 AM |
| 3 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?There's no such a thing as a female incel. I don't even know why we should entertain fictional scenarios. There are men who will fuck anything with a hole around every corner. That women are hypergamous and thus none of those men are good enough for them, even if their SMV is higher than the female herself, is a different story. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:05 AM |
| 3 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?You were replying to this thread which is about public shaming, which implies you think they should be publicly shamed instead of ignored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 01:50 AM |
| 3 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?I don't think half of them were being "assholes" in any way whatsoever. I've already explained to you that puns and being too directly sexually or just "socially oblivious" is not being an asshole. Nontheless, it hardly justifies "public shaming and humiliation" as the authors rout for. I showed in my OP that when women are concerned, then suddenly we need to remember there's a real human behind the screen and how hurtful and awful shaming someone, ESPECIALLY in public, can be. But men deserve i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 01:49 AM |
| 2 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?Not on public domains, and when it does happen, everyone is against them being targeted. It certainly isn't going to be jeered by news outlets and magazines. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 01:47 AM |
| 2 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?I encourage you to look up the definition of harassment. may these men post those conversations publicly too. They can't, it would be taken down and the male themselves will be hunted by the feminist lynch mob for doing it. If a guy made a website to publicly humiliate women for saying "handsome" to someone or for being too sexual, the women featured there would go directly to the media and police, claim their privacy is violated and they're being traumatized and slandered, and everyone in the w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:19 PM |
| 2 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?So being socially oblivious is a good reason to cyber-bully someone in a way which would never, ever be done to a female, and many people have even committed suicide before thanks to it? Were you one of those kids who thought that throwing rocks on socially retarded students and burning their equipment was justified on your part? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:16 PM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?Because men don't have the emotional maturity of 13 year olds and a herd mentality and thus the vast majority of them would rather just stop talking to any misandrist feminist they meet on these apps or creepy stalker and then go on with their normal day, instead of trying with all their might to publicly humiliate and destroy those women's lives. It might also have something to do with males having what is called "morals" which women don't even understand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:12 PM |
| 5 | Tinder shaming - a case study. Can this perceived sadism and hypocrisy possibly be justified?I actually use it to find potential guys I'm interested in dating. And a guy who starts off like that, simply doesn't interest me Great. Then just don't talk to him. You know, like men do when a woman is being a bitch to them or too direct for their liking ( Plenty of women can be like that ). Since men don't have the emotional maturity of a 13 year old, they don't need to instantly run to their social network and share with their peers what happened so everyone can publicly humiliate that woman… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:07 PM |
| 1 | Why is nudity illegal if it's so harmless???There's a gendered double standard about the issue. When liberals moan about how natural nudity is and how great it is and how there's nothing wrong with the body and all that sex-positive trite, they're talking specifically about female nudity. Women already reveal their skin much more than would be acceptable for any guy, and they get away with stripping down for fun or being nude for a while in a public place ( in districts where it's forbidden ) in situations where if a male did the same thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:52 AM |
| 2 | Tinder shaming - a case study in female sadism and twisted hypocrisy. How is it justified?I certainly find all of them not even REMOTELY unacceptable enough to warrant disgusting public bullying and humiliation and actual harassment. As for what seems to be acceptable on a purely conversational level? Asking about sex positions is blunt, but this is a sex app. Seen plenty of women talking about anal sex right in their profiles. Don't like it? Skip and ignore. Saying slut? Rude. Tons of women who say worse. Ignore. Inches of my dick? Also too direct, ignore. dtf/we fucking? - Pretty m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:42 AM |
| 1 | Tinder shaming - a case study in female sadism and twisted hypocrisy. How is it justified?Well it's a good thing I always copy and archive my threads, isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:36 AM |
| 0 | Tinder shaming - a case study in female sadism and twisted hypocrisy. How is it justified?In one of them she took a swing at him by saying "I reread your profile and that too rich comment turned me off". Now, I don't care how much he brags in his profile, but if she criticizes him for that, she's fair game for mutual criticism. In another it was just a guy saying "I'm breaking up with you" and humorously/not saying "You can't say bye if I dumped you" In the final one she started bitching him and saying how creeped out she is just because he called her "love". Which is fucking nothing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:11 AM |
| 2 | Where do subs like TBP, niceguys, justneckbeardthings etc. fall on the punching up/punching down dichotomy?You realize the subreddits in the OP don't target TRP'ers in particular, do you? Most of the guys featured there don't even know what redpill is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 10:58 AM |
| 5 | Where do subs like TBP, niceguys, justneckbeardthings etc. fall on the punching up/punching down dichotomy?Yet if someone created a website with the title "hambeasts" about shitty women, feminists would surely say it's shaming language against fat women, and moreover if ONLY FAT WOMEN were targeted by such a website, they would say it's real purpose is just to shame women all along. Drop the fucking gendered shaming language of "neckbeard". Stop only bullying ugly or socially inept males. Many men can be misogynists, if that's what you're after. And you can also include women behaving in the same way… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 10:56 AM |
| 8 | Where do subs like TBP, niceguys, justneckbeardthings etc. fall on the punching up/punching down dichotomy?Too bad you never actually visited any of those subs, because they pick on guys for any reason whatsoever and only very rarely for actually fitting you description. Regardless, there are just as many women who behave the same way. And yet I don't see any "Hambeasts of tumblr" or "Uppity bitches of OkCupid", because all those websites get flagged as harassment No matter what the women they target did, because doing it to women is not okay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 10:51 AM |
| 2 | Brother Dean preaches that feminist whores deserve rapeOne of the commenters on the video makes the point that the woman simply can't walk away from the Alpha Christian, Brother Dean, because of her subconscious attraction to him, or at least a recognition in her female brain of his masculine virility and thus instinctively giving more weight to his opinions and words, much like an abused woman seeking the approval of her macho pimp. I, for one, tend to concur with that hypothesis. I believe that if it was a fat, nerdy "neckbeard"-looking male stand… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 10:40 AM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?You're a hypocrite if you think that a man who likes gender roles in his own relationships and prefers women who are chaste while not applying the same standards to himself is disgusting, while you want dominant men but would be turned off by a submissive guy, even as you are submissive yourself. How is it any different from a promiscous guy who doesn't want a promiscous girl? I judge it by academic support Like I said, your appeal to authority doesn't change the fact you're nothing more than a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 10:11 PM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?I know it's not. I just find it hypocritical. But then again, you're fine with being a hypocrite. And your appeal to authority or bandwagon fallacy about feminism doesn't change the fact you compared it to TRP? What the fuck does it matter if it was a political movement that's been supported by society? So was Nazism, and so was your "Patriarchy" for eons. You must be quite juvenile, dogmatic and populist if you judge ideologies by their support in society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 09:54 PM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?You're absolutely allowed to be a hypocrite Well in that case... and I'm allowed to find the purity fetish and Madonna/whore complex disgusting. So people are also allowed to find your own submissive/manly man complex disgusting. Red pill men do the exact same thing. They keep gender roles where it suits them Good thing you admit that your feminism is the same as TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:29 PM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Why would the DNA of a man acting in a dominant fashion be superior to the DNA of a physically superior specimen acting in a non-dominant fashion? Because neurology matters too. To show that he's not a coward or shies away from conflict in protecting offspring. A physically superior specieman which runs away instead of risking itself is no good. That can't happen and won't happen That's what I'm saying. How can a woman dominate a man, when you can overpower her at any moment? What? She wouldn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 09:42 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I don't agree Whatever, so nothing changed anyway. But this doesn't explain why dominant men are more attractive than men with the most sperm, Are you kidding me? Because having tons of sperm doesn't mean it's quality sperm. It's the DNA which matters. And male dominance indicates his genetic value. it's partly because the sexual act doesn't make sense without it It could easily make sense with women thumping themselves on the male's penis or something else. I already told you, it's not that dom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 09:28 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Yeah, you're not going to be thinking about sex if you're too occupied to have sex, obviously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 09:15 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Why would we be evolving away from this in current society, when for the last thousands years or so, women have actually been socially conditioned to be LESS rough-nasty-dominant-sex-seeking than they are now, as you say, their sexually repressed, and as we see it didn't change them all and as soon as those social barriers fell away, they're more like that than ever before? is a natural consequence of our biology and of the sexual act. The natural biology of males and females itself is a result … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 09:06 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I know the instinct was there. That's what I'm saying. Feminism isn't going to dissuade women from their innate sexuality, it only increased what was already there and repressed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:58 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Of course women who are starving don't have time to worry about sex, because their hunger instincts override everything. What kind of nonsense-rebuttal is that? Next you'll tell me that because women who are dying don't care about being dominated in sex, that's relevant too. You seem to be in the minority here in giving me this leeway and understanding I'm sorry to hear that some people have a moronic understanding of evolution. The whole reason sex drive and attraction even exist is to make cre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:57 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I don't think it's possible. If anything feminism which allowed women to do whatever the hell they want and say whatever they think has only reinforced gender roles harder than before. Back in that good ol' "Patriarchy" or even earlier than that in the age of chivalry, it was actually much more common to try winning the affection of a woman by being all a "gentleman" and slowly undressing her and shit. These days we have more books like 50 shades and women enjoying being choked and spurted cum o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:47 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Being emasculated, degraded, choked, called names and slapped is something that should make someone feel bad when it's done to him. But making a girl choke on your cock or calling her a bitch is not something that is humiliating to a male, he's the one being in charge and doing all the nasty things to the girl. And like I asked wolfsouls who said she'd be turned off by it, how would you feel about a MALE if he wanted all those things from you: Strength - both physical and psychological. Power. S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:44 AM |
| 0 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I don't expect you to do anything. You just barged into this conversation. First I was talking with Pettite, then this other guy, now you came along. Why do you think I care what you believe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:41 AM |
| 5 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Women's biology is the same everywhere. You're absolutely right that the only thing which changes is the environmental constraints. A woman in Saudi Arabia won't behave like a western girl, but give her all the freedom of a western girl, and she'll start behaving exactly the same. Which is exactly what happened in the west after Christianity and the "Patriarchy" faded away and sexual liberation came about. And exactly what's happening in Asian after their own culture gave way to modernism. I sho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:39 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I don't know, pussy-pop on him or throw him down and ride on it? Their basic psychology was determined hundreds of millions of years ago by a mix of factors, the most notable of which was that males compete with other males to pass genes and women are the precious ones who give birth, so women like dominant men more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:37 AM |
| 0 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?What the fuck? You didn't ask me for shit. You just barged into this conversation I had with someone else. I haven't cited shit for you and I don't care to. Like I told you, I'm not here to prove anything to you. That study WAS JUST SOME ONE GOOGLE RESULT I LINKED TO SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT YOU. I'm not going to even search for anything else, because I literally just don't care. Feel free to believe what you wish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:35 AM |
| 1 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?But if I were to show you pictures, I imagine these guys wouldn't fit your idea of above average. I'm sure they wouldn't. My average is the objective average, which means "Average out of every single human male I see everywhere in the world". Think about every single male you've seen in your life. All the uglies and missing tooths and the nerds and poxmarked and the just standard looking and the attractive and the super hot buff ones. Remember that 70% of people in the US are overweight. Are you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:28 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Then it's their basic psychology, their very hormones and brain circuits, not that the act of intercourse itself just makes them more inclined or accustomed to it, like some sort of "acquired taste". That's what I think too. In fact, that's not just what I think, there's literally empirical evidence for it, and scientists can even change the brain wiring for the genders in rats, as I've linked before: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/billion-wicked-thoughts/201104/why-gender-equality-does-no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:24 AM |
| 0 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I'm not set out to prove it, I offered Pettite a whole bunch of google results in which women are 99% of the time the ones writing about being dominated, asking about being dominated, wanting to be dominated, and so on. And that goes for searching about being degraded in sex too. All the results are about women. That study was just one of many data pieces. I don't care to prove anything, anyone who wants do can do so himself. The authors of the article concluded what they did possibly because of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:22 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?then a girl should get as horny watching her guy beat up another dude They do. Why does the school bully get all the girls? Why do so many women get wet over a man after he kicks the ass of another man, for whatever reason the girl thinks was justified? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:19 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I didn't use it to illustrate why males show aggression towards female humans. You asked me, why would showing dominance/aggression in bed towards a woman, which is not hurtful, would make her feel protected and not afraid or fearful. I told you that's how it works in nature too - Female lions choose the most aggressive male, and they aren't afraid of him. That's a fact. As for why, you can think whatever you want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:16 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Women also WANT to be dominated more. They love the feeling, they love the psychology, they love the concept, they love the erotica, they love everything about it. It's not that they aren't aroused by it and it's just forced them because of penetration. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:11 AM |
| 3 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?What the fucking hell? I just told you, because males only actually use their dominance and aggression to hurt males, not females, then females are drawn to those males to protect them from other males. Because they know they won't be HURT by it. Besides, whatever you wanna think about it, those are the fucking facts in the field. Female lions mate with the most aggressive and dominant male. That's what actually happens in nature. Right now I'm just telling you WHY it happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:08 AM |
| 0 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?And the study concludes that significantly more women than men like being dominated. How am I not sticking to it? This is what the study says. By the way, I know you're going to flip your shit over it, but this is also a limited study on college students. It's only one of many pieces of data that show women favor dominance, not an ultimate definite statistical guidebook. There are other studies with wider percentages when moving away from liberal colleges, and the core of it is always the same- … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 08:07 AM |
| 0 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?I'm sure he was very 'average', and by that I mean average for an average college dude, and by that I mean above average. So what were your "type" of guys exactly, that you had tons of casual sex with prior to that? Because most of the "types" of guys that attract girls who have a lot of casual sex happen to be what would be described as alphas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 07:20 AM |
| 1 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?What's leading about it? Okay, so it wasn't a nightclub or house party, it was the college dorms and sorority parties. As if that is so radically different. As for your guy, well, being your "type" which is probably a masculine 10/10, is an exception to what I was trying to say. Most "sweet virgins" I know aren't being exactly desired by any women to dominate them. If they're lucky they get attention from a woman who is dominant herself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 07:11 AM |
| 1 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?I guess I didn't know that's what I should have been looking for Really? How come? But you knew that you should've been looking for tons of casual sex with possibly very masculine men over at the nightclub or house party? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:53 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?And I ascertain the following: not unless you're one of the even smaller portion of women born with active dominance circuitry—and your boyfriend plays the Sabine. Even smaller portion of women born with active dominance So in other words, once again, women want to be dominated much more than men, and want to dominate men much less. So what the fuck is your point again? whole fucking reason you're here is to deny THAT WOMEN LIKE BEING DOMINATED MORE ,PERIOD. Yet both of those articles disagree w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:52 AM |
| 1 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?Couldn't have been looking for some sweet virgin guys to commit to at the beginning? Or have sex with? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:48 AM |
| 1 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?So you were riding the cock carousel with all those men before and no strings attached but then decided your fun was up and settled for a serious relationship with the sweet virgin guy here, for what you were perfectly willing to give all those other guys without a relationship? Yeah that sounds really loving to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:45 AM |
| 3 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?You're flaunting data from a study that disagrees with you. I'll post the exact quote again: The fantasy of being dominated was significantly greater for women than for men, on average" And that's exactly what my OP says, that women like being dominated much more than men. And here's another article for you: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/billion-wicked-thoughts/201104/why-gender-equality-does-not-always-work-in-the-bedroom The majority of women have submission fantasies. From classic roma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:37 AM |
| 2 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?I agree that "Immature loser" is not an exact antonym of "caring and sweet." You agree that it was a Freudian slip denoting what she really meant which I easily recognized. But blah blah She already said that she meant a confident, attractive guy who wants to make her orgasm and cuddles afterwards ( Which is apparently the only thing somehow related to the sweet and caring part, and something so mundane that it hardly deserves being specially called sweet and caring. It's like saying that a guy … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:35 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?That's not "most", and futhermore: “Among women, it was found that SF of being dominated, being spanked or whipped, being tied up, and being forced to have sex were reported by 30%-60%,” according to the study. ” … The fantasy of being dominated was significantly greater for women than for men, on average" There's dominated and then there's dominated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:27 AM |
| 3 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Uh, no. We'll agree that my claim matches with the data. Haven't you noticed my quote? There's more of those studies and surveys where it came from. And also, according to WolfSouls here, it's not about the back and forth and she be turned off by a submissive man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I am? Hey dragoness, are you "pretty red pill"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:10 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I don't think most men would want that. I mean, most men would want any kind of sex with a woman no matter what it is, but they wouldn't be particularly thrilled about being dominated like women. And most men don't think so either: “Among women, it was found that SF of being dominated, being spanked or whipped, being tied up, and being forced to have sex were reported by 30%-60%,” according to the study. ” … The fantasy of being dominated was significantly greater for women than for men, on aver… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:09 AM |
| 3 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Well I don't. And is it just "say", or actually do it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 06:02 AM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?I enjoy a certain level of gender roles in my sexual and romantic relationships. That doesn't make me less of a feminist But any boyfriend of yours can't enjoy the same if he's in a relationship with you. But, gynocentric double standards which are only fine for gaining privileges where you want them yet keeping gender roles ( for men ) where they suit you is indeed very feminist. because I believe in the basic idea of gender equality under the law and in society. Oh look, another dictionary def… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 05:48 AM |
| 0 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Um, Idk probably like a strong urge to have a baby and to nurture and care for others, etc. So women only have positive innate traits. Right, I'm getting the idea. I've really only ever heard extreme SJWs(&co.) Extreme? It's coming from plenty of bluepillers here, women in social media shouting how men and women are the same and women are individuals and can make any choice a man does without any evo-psych instinct that dictates their behavior, and it's staple for feminists. Um....ok? Which "fri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 05:42 AM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?So you think there are some really great reasons for you enjoying being dominated, but you would be turned off if a man wanted the same? And that women who think otherwise would be a minority, albeit a sizable one. Interesting. Sounds very non-egalitarian, red-pillish and gender role enforcing to me. If women can be so one-dimensional in their sexuality, then maybe it's also true for some facets of their personality. And I also wonder, does that mean you don't need him so badly that you would be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 05:36 AM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?making sure I feel good both during sex and after. For me, this makes cuddling almost a mandatory post coitus ritual :p Doesn't sound remarkably sweet and caring to me, just like normal couple sex. Which is why I discounted your choice of wording as irrelevant. I get to relax, let loose, and feel safe with a dominant man I can trust. It's difficult to describe why I enjoy it, maybe it's just feeling that the man I'm fucking needs me so badly that he takes control and makes it happen. So, pretty … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?But, you're a man...do you like to be emasculated? No, why would I? Only women are crazy enough to enjoy feelings in sex which would be negative outside of it. Because women innately like to feel Innately, is it? Are there any other things that women feel innately? Do you think there are ways in which women also behave and think which are innate to them as females? I was under the impression that women are all pure metaphysical individuals who make all their own choices just like men and that th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 05:12 AM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?So you want to be fucked like a sex toy by a strong confident attractive alpha dude who also makes sure you orgasm. Yeah, I got that. But I don't think that has anything to do with dehumanizing or not. You just want to be dehumanized in bed by a confident attractive dude. Also, where does the "sweet and caring" part come into it? Is giving you an orgasm your definition of sweet and caring? When I think sweet and caring I usually imagine bringing flowers or holding when you cry kind of thing. Don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 05:07 AM |
| 2 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?You're right that it goes without saying, so why did you even post it, as if it was some great revelation? Dominated by an otherwise sweet and caring man? Yes please. Dehumanized and treated like a flesh light by some immature loser? Fuck no. Men who do that are usually terrible at sex and don't give a shit about whether their partner is enjoying themselves. In other words, you could've just said "Yes, I want it, but only from alpha males". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:58 AM |
| 5 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Women do like being degraded in sex more too. And if you want to start acting naive about what being degraded in sex means, I'll generously google it for you again and you can help yourself to read it, as well as place emphasis on the gender ratio in all of those results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:49 AM |
| 2 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?No need to pretend. I only pointed out that your answer was that you do wanted to be treated this way in sex, only with a man that can prove his worth to you. Your denial was not really a denial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:46 AM |
| 3 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?But we weren't talking about "too dominant", didn't we? Evidently, most women know the difference. As long as she's encouraging him, then it makes her feel good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:44 AM |
| 0 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?What if she's on top and he reaches up and pulls her hair? Well, that depends on how he does it and how she's on top. In general though, you don't have to ask those rhetorical questions to figure it out. It can be boiled down to being a psychological element, and from all the studies we have, women like the idea of feeling dominated or "degraded" ( called names, doing certain sex acts like you see in porn ) more than men do, regardless of how they physically achieve it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:19 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Well, no, because he's not actually hurting her. During sex he's just displaying his capacity to be aggressive and dominant to protect her, but "controlling himself" and not doing anything to her. How many women do we see saying that they love being manhandled in a way they feel like the guy could do anything he wanted to them any time ( like being choked or pinned or slammed ), but that they feel safe knowing he wont? Human females get off to that the same way female lions do. When the male lio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:12 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I didn't say that. I said that I don't think there's anyone who sees such an act as the guy being submissive and the woman being dominant, neither the woman nor the guy. While when a guy spanks some woman in doggy and pulls her hair, both men and women would say he's being dominant and she's being submissive. There are many ways a woman can be dominant. Face-sitting, pulling a guy's head in to her crotch, rough cow girl sex, pegging... But like I said, it happens less often than women being domi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:08 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?As far as my memory of zoology serves me, only towards other males. If males were attacking females in any species, they would be putting both their own genes, their pack, and their species itself at an highway towards extinction in a very short time. Which is why evolution didn't proceed that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:04 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I'd say because men, on average, don't enjoy feeling emasculated under any circumstances Why? Whereas women, on average both like to feel protected and that their mates have some semblance of control and don't have any inherent masculinity to be threatened by engaging in such play. Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:01 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I don't know. Do most women feel like they're "dominating" a guy when scratching him? Is scratching a guy's arms while he's jackhammering you makes you think he's on a submissive role right now? I don't think so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:00 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?You're forgetting that males have evolved to be aggressive with each other to compete for females and use that aggression to protect them from other males in turn, not to attack the female. And females are instinctively aware of that. A male who's dominant in sex only exhibits his genetic prowess, not danger. Why are the female lions not afraid of the alpha male lion in the pack and want to reproduce with him most of all? There you go, nature itself has debunked your theory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:57 AM |
| 0 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?In that case, as I was wondering in the OP, are there any other inferences do you believe one could make about female behavior, personality or sexuality simply judging by their hormones, evolution and brain structure? Does it also mean that women are only individualistic within a spectrum of the female mind, that no woman can ever be individually exempted from? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:53 AM |
| 4 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?For the record, I know men who won't mind like a light tap after the sex or something, or ruffling fingers through their hair, but not like, actually spanked/hair pulled like a guy does to a woman in a doggy position. Same goes for dirty talking - it's usually women in the submissive position. Rarely will woman like or a man want to call a girl "mommy" or be mockingly insulted. So yes, they're outliers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:49 AM |
| 2 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?A quick google search about being spanked or wanting to be spanked or asking if it's okay to be aroused by getting spanked, and even moreso getting your hair pulled, should show you what's the gender of most people who desire it. As for generally being dominated sexually, there's plenty of studies out there about women craving it much more prominently than men. Practically every single magazine piece about the topic is about women's fantasies of being dominated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:40 AM |
| 3 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?I used both dominated and degraded, and I'm not going to even bother explaining it to you if all you do is just try to avoid the question. Feel free to only answer about dominated for all I care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:36 AM |
| 5 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Like I said, I've heard all of the "explanations". Let me rephrase the question just for you, so you can answer it - why do women like receiving all of those "fun things" such as getting spanked, hair-pulled, and called names more than men? of "dominance" is doing something borderline violent That's BDSM, and I said in my OP that I'm not talking about BDSM. It's not that I can't distinguish between being dominated and other things, it seems like you just can't distinguish between BDSM and genera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:30 AM |
| 2 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?Yep. It wasn't even the "alpha" that matter to me. Only that you were pretending your answer wasn't yes, while it was, except only with a man you deem "fit" enough to pull it off, and presumably not a TERPer. Because that's what you meant, wasn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:16 AM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?I could handle the thought if it was true. But just like they all enjoy being dominated in sex exactly as I think they are, and as every woman says in every single place, every time the question gets brought up, so do I know that they have a very specific idea of what "Nice" or "Caring and sweet" is, and instead of actually talking about it, they just try to bully everyone who calls it out into silence like you're doing right now. I'm sure that she wouldn't want a sweet and caring quiet virgin g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:14 AM |
| 1 | Why do women like being dominated and "degraded" during sex more much more than men?Not sure if this is meant to be humorous, but I don't think a song has anything to do with it. Women liked being dominated since forever and girls who don't even know this song like it today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 03:05 AM |
| 4 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?Women have their own meanings for every word. For them, an actual Nice Guy can only be nice if he's confident, successful, charming and popular. The same goes for sweet and caring. I'm just translating from woman-speak. "Sweet and caring" as opposed to "immature loser" probably means to her, something like, the man's gotta be secure in his sexuality and confident about himself and know how to get a woman a wet, or something of that sort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 02:57 AM |
| 3 | As a woman, do you prefer sex that dehumanizes you and uses you as a mastubatory aid?So in other words your answer yes, but only if it's an alpha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 02:36 AM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I reluctantly accept it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/15 02:07 AM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I'm not rejecting anything. You agreed with it and said women do want those thing, and I substitute what I think about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/15 12:45 AM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I yearn for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/15 12:36 AM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?It's almost as much of a given as not needing your hand held all day, but for you that's not a given. Besides, I don't even understand what are you arguing about. This is fucking pointless. Women want strong, assertive and decisive men the same way they want successful and ambitious men. Those aren't given things, they aren't shared by all or even most men, and they don't really serve a purpose other than to enhance a woman's ego or social status. That's it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/15 12:15 AM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?That's true, but evolution doesn't work rationally, it works on instinct. Sex drive is evolutionary guiding instinct for reproduction, it doesn't distinguish between one or the other. There is no intelligent program selecting candidates for reproduction, only hormones affecting arousal. And sadly women don't seem to be able to control that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/15 12:15 AM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?In my experience women's standards for sex are just as stringent, with simply more emphasis on looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 11:58 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Slutty doesn't imply you actually have the sex like "slut" does, but whatever, guess not slutty then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 11:57 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?No, they're not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 11:57 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?What happens if someone has low self-esteem? I've seen millions of women on dating websites indicating about themselves that they have low self-esteem, not to mention all those countless of women with various anxiety/body image low esteem/social low esteem issues all over the western world, and they don't seem to have much of a problem finding men who don't care about their lack of confidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 10:34 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?There are also just as much women in the US, but I'd wager not as many autistic, submissive slutty men who can even find a girl who will want to touch them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 10:33 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Because nobody specifies "capable of speaking" or "leaves the house" or "takes showers" either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 10:07 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?How about assertive and confident? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 10:06 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Haven't you had more than 21 partners and numerous relationships? That's even above average statistically. If you had a penis, it could be 0 instead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 09:44 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?It's not the men I spend time with, It's men all over the internet and and all over the world who I have simply not seen caring as much about that in women. i think most people want to be with someone who asserts themselves and makes decisions rather than depending on others to do that for them, or simply not doing it. Something so basic wouldn't have to be explicitly listed as a standard, just like any other standard, and I stand by that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 09:33 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?it's an "at least an equal" thing Is it, really? Are those women equally strong and assertive as the men they want? You realize there are tons of submissive women, who are not any of those things, who crave exactly for that in men, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 09:16 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I never said men don't seek those things. I said it's hardly as common as it is in common. I've personally seen very few men who consider assertiveness or decisiveness to be a source of attraction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 09:14 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I think it's much more simpler than that. It has to do with women's innate biological allure towards males with that personality. For the same reason that much, MUCH more women like being dominated/degraded in bed than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 09:13 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?You've basically told me nothing. I'll stick with my position that being strong, assertive and decisive is not something all men have, and has to stand out, just like successful, or ambitious, or "funny guy", or "talented". And I still fail to see why men don't seem to care too much about strong, assertive and decisive while women do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 09:00 PM |
| 3 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?You never actually explained what your "subjective definition" actually is and what separates a strong, assertive decisive man from a man who isn't so strong, assertive or decisive. And there is definitely a wide range for all of those things too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 08:22 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?So what happens if a man is as submissive as you, and says he's happy when his female partner makes most of decision or something. In this thread bluepillers have said such a man is a doormat, that he needs his hand all day and can't do anything on his own, and all kinds of negative things. So apparently it's okay for a woman, but if a man wants the same, then he's a manchild and entitled needy and insecure and a doormat, or he is incapable of acting like an adult, never thinks for himself, not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 08:07 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I'm not here to back up anything, this thread has a question mark at the end, and the mod changed it to CMV from Discussion. You don't realize that I'm not interested in scrapping up a bunch of surveys to compete with your or have a pissing match. As far as I'm concerned your surveys are absolutely right, they just don't reflect any woman I've seen. I guess I was just somehow defective in my search. There, happy? P.S Quite a few of the links I have are psychological studies conducted on a sample… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 08:03 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Usually they say "attractive" or "muscular" but whatever. For that matter, the standards I've read were talking about being strong in character. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 08:02 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Yes, she's out of his league like Bill Gates is out of Angelina Julie's league in terms of wealth. They're still both rich, just like your friend and your girl are still both intelligent and successful. And that still leaves my points that the reason AVERAGE MEN won't go for successful women is not because of insecurity, it's because they wouldn't be wanted. Average men who are not incredibly intelligent and minimal education or blue collar job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 08:01 PM |
| 0 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?What you meant and what is actually meant Everybody understood what "strong" is perfectly well. And I suggest you open a dictionary as to what strong "actually means" as you so arrogantly say, because IT HAS DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, ONE OF THEM MENTAL STRENGTH, ANOTHER IS DIFFERENT. "STRONG" IS A VAGUE ADJECTIVE FOR MANY THINGS. Yes it does. Then don't even reply to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:56 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Your details don't matter. In my post I told you that Average Joes don't date successful by women because they won't date them, not because of insecurity. You retorted by talking about your friend who is an engineer from a minor ivy league university and a 6-7. That's not an "Average Joe". He's a pretty successful guy, he is also incredibly intelligent guy as you say, and he's a good enough looking guy. And he's dating women who are still in his league, even if above him in money or whatever. An… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:54 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?It's not my opinion. It's common sense. If you want an "attractive guy", that doesn't mean he just needs to shower and not to be deformed. Why are you playing stupid? Are you saying that when a woman says she wants an attractive guy, it doesn't ACTUALLY MEAN SOMEONE WHO LOOKS PRETTY DAMN GOOD? If a woman says she wants a successful guy, it doesn't mean he simply needs not to be homeless. Is that right, or not right? Are you SERIOUSLY, FUCKING SERIOUSLY going to say otherwise? That women who ask … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:52 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Sure. I'm not really here to argue, mod changed my title to CMV instead of discussion for some reason. Your surveys say what your surveys say. TRP also has a bunch of surveys on a bunch of topics. I've never seen a woman who didn't want first and foremost a man to be decisive, strong and assertive. And we have another poster here justifying it by saying it means "don't be a doormat". So even if women mean something like that when they ask for those things first and foremost, they still ask for t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:50 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Strong is aesthetic like curvy or supple. By strong I meant mentally strong or whatever just like assertive and the rest. This translates to don't be a doormat No it doesn't. Just like "good-looking" doesn't translate into "don't be obese and never shower". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:47 PM |
| 3 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I don't care. You said he's very intelligent and well-grounded and 6-7, and I bet there are tons of other things which made him feel safe to date her. But my point remains - It's not insecurity which prevents an average joe who is a plumber from dating a successful girl, successful girls just don't want to date guys much below them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:47 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I'll repeat again - claiming that strong, assertive and decisive simply means not "never taking care of yourself" or "needing your hand held all day" is just as hyperbolic and false as claiming that when women say they want a "pretty man" or "good-looking man", they simply want a man who showers and isn't deformed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:38 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?At the very least the surveys I've linked disprove that. No, they did not. Your surveys proved only what women do want, or more precisely, what they say they want when surveyed. They did not show that women claim they do not want assertive or decisive men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:37 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?"Lower tier" Ivy League university.....I see. Well, that's hardly a convincing anecdote. Call me when any of your successful female friends date average-looking, ordinary delivery guys or a telemarketer or a minor car salesman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:15 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Why does it matter if women reject the idea of "the captain" if that's not what you were getting at? Because they're asking for things which very much resemble that, as I continued on to state when it comes to shit-testing a guy if he lets her walk all over him. I'm saying they're not the first or most important thing that women want, which is what you claimed. I'm also saying not every woman wants that, which is also what you claimed. It's not most important, most important would be "confidence… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:13 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?He's incredibly smart, so what does he do exactly? flip burgers? He's probably in a very good uni or a good job, so it's not surprising successful women will be fine with him, if he he is successful himself. A sixteen year old girl could probably beat him in anything athletic I wasn't talking about how athletic is. I was talking about looks. Supermodels can still be frail too. Does he look good? Is he a 10/10? Is he pretty? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:02 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?someone who never thinks for themselves, and always needs their hand held to get through the day? God.....do you remember when I said that I mentioned right away in my OP that women often try to minimize the meaning of those requests? Listen, you don't have to be strong, decisive and assertive for all those things. It's possible for a man not to "never think for himself" or "need his hand held all day" WITHOUT BEING STRONG,DECISIVE AND ASSERTIVE. Let me repeat myself: then why the fuck would wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 07:00 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?which according to your OP boils down to "women want a captain". No, it did not. Do you have any of those polls Assertive/decisive are more "complex words" so it's less specific but there's enough material about it: http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-things-women-want_1.html http://www.mademan.com/6-reasons-women-love-assertive-men-that-you-can-copy/ http://ca.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_60/68b_dating_advice.html http://www.yourtango.com/2011103931/3-ways-become-strong-man-women-love http… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:57 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Then get a gun. As far as I can remember, there have been several school shootings in which they could hardly protect anyone from guys who were the complete opposite of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:47 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?So your friend is either a supermodel or he's as popular as a rock star. If he doesn't match the woman in money then he must match or outmatch her in appearance or social status. What I said is that women won't take an Average Joe who is less successful than her. If she's homely looking and not that charming but she's successful, she won't take a homely looking, socially unimpressive guy who is in lower education or has a blue collar job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:45 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?I've heard that from all sorts of women in tons of places. DunDun right here said that those needs seem so fundamental to her, that every woman should want them. As for your survey, I don't know if they're open-ended or not, but there are plenty of polls about standards in which assertive and strong rank pretty high. Usually substituted with "confidence". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:42 PM |
| 3 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?this just sounds like wanting an adult to act like an adult If it's so fundamental and every adult does it then why the fuck would women list it as a "standard" or say "This is what I LIKE in a man"? It doesn't make sense. I explained it in my OP. You don't ask for a man who can talk or who has a sex drive, because it's taken for granted. You don't say you want an adventerous guy, when you just means a guy who is capable of leaving his house. If a woman lists those things as her standards, then … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:37 PM |
| 2 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Not really, and it's not necessarily "Macho". I hear liberal women in particular, very prominently on reddit's female subs too, who ask for "Strong, decisive, assertive, has his own opinions, doesn't let me walk all over him". These are the words. I don't know if describes "macho". In fact, I said in my OP that I don't know at all what the fuck do any of them entail or why women ask for them as if they were selecting a military commander. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:35 PM |
| 1 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?None of them? Not under any other different name either? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:24 PM |
| 4 | What's the matter with women's need for strength?Being strong, decisive, and opinionated is not the same as taking the lead all the time. It just means he is capable of contributing to a decision. See: Now, I often see objections that try to minimize the gravity of that need I've already anticipated the reply. guys insecure enough with themselves that they can't deal with a woman being successful I have no idea why people keep repeating this "insecurity" or "intimidation" lie. Men don't try dating successful women because successful women don'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Telegraph article talks about hypergamy. Women are substantially more picky than men in 20 different areas and more sexually selective, a recent university study of 5,500 singletons from around the world finds.So you're telling me that you've delved deep into the mind of hundreds of thousands of women. What the hell? I don't need to delve into anyone's mind to ask women what are their requirements in a guy or check dating profiles for standard lists. So tell me how the hell so many women have relationships with men if they arent 'high value'? Because they want high-value men, and usually get them for at least a few nights no matter how out of their league they are while they're young, settle for avera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Telegraph article talks about hypergamy. Women are substantially more picky than men in 20 different areas and more sexually selective, a recent university study of 5,500 singletons from around the world finds.Women want men who have high value in every regard? So like, they want a man who's a 10/10. There's a difference between high value and 10/10, just like there is a difference between being upper class or being Bill Gates. Oh im sorry I didnt realize EVERY SINGLE WOMEN on the planet told you that they only want a man who's a 10/10. They didn't, you dense little girl, because I never said "10/10". But a reasonable sample of hundreds of thousands of women that I've seen have all wanted a man who is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 10:22 AM |
| 1 | Telegraph article talks about hypergamy. Women are substantially more picky than men in 20 different areas and more sexually selective, a recent university study of 5,500 singletons from around the world finds.By your logic, if a girl was with you, it would mean your a 10/10. I never said that you have to be a 10/10 for a girl to like you, that's your own hyperbole. I said women only care about men for their social value. Obviously you're not a 10/10 so that means a girl settled for you Why does it mean a girl settled for me, exactly? You think everyone has a girlfriend? or you don't even bother trying I don't. Which is why you shouldn't make assumptions about me getting rejected a bunch, or caring ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 11:57 AM |
| 1 | Telegraph article talks about hypergamy. Women are substantially more picky than men in 20 different areas and more sexually selective, a recent university study of 5,500 singletons from around the world finds.Stop parroting crock from /twoXChromosomes/ or trying to shame me. I'm not getting rejected whatsoever because I don't want a relationship with women, and I will certainly not "work on myself" by being a good disposable utility for women just like women wouldn't work on themselves to be a sex toy for men. Where the fuck did I say that I want women to like me, or that I'm getting rejected, or anything of the sort? Stop projecting you piece of shit. Do you want me to start making up insults about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 12:03 PM |
| 1 | Telegraph article talks about hypergamy. Women are substantially more picky than men in 20 different areas and more sexually selective, a recent university study of 5,500 singletons from around the world finds.You don't seem to understand my higher ground here. The fact is, women never deny they wouldn't care about any man unless he's successful, socially adept and confident and dominant. I'm not the person making the argument, it's women admitting it. But even women wouldn't agree with what you said about men, even though they would agree that a guy who isn't successful, socially amazing, ambitious and confident isn't worth a dime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 08:16 AM |
| 1 | Question to all women: What does a guy with no standards need to do to be a worthy partner?I've known women in the categories you listed who'll basically "sell themselves out" to some man willing to protect/provide for them no different or give them drugs, no different than a prostitute. There is still a requirement here and that's money. They won't actually have a relationship with a guy with no standards just for companionship or love. Even with the extreme criteria you've set to find a few women whom, like millions of men, would date anyone who liked them, they still don't qualify. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/15 01:29 PM |
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