DrippedOut Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
1	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Yes, it could be sexual harassment, but not all sexual harassment is a "sexual advance", there are other forms of harassment. Do you understand that? (It was in the last comment twice.) So if you say you did not experience a "sexual advance", it does NOT mean you didn't experience other forms of "sexual harassment" (or "sexual abuse"). Do you understand that? The debate was simply if a "sexual advance" could be sexual harassment No, the debate was whether saying you didn't experience a sexual ad…	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 06:09 PM
0	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Sexual advances are gestures, like a lewd comment, or a joke about sex. The phrase "sexual advance" has a very well understood meaning, especially in a legal context, to extrapolate that meaning to rape is absurd.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 05:59 PM
0	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Also if they didn't have sexual interaction and he didn't try anything sexual with her You're rephrasing, again, she did not swear to either of those things. She did not literally or functionally say he didn't rape her.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 05:23 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Maybe you should read it yourself. Sexual harassment in its guidelines as: unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct "Sexual harassment" is a larger term, of which unwelcome "sexual advances" are one example. All unwelcome sexual advances are harassment, not all harassment is sexual advances. Do you understand that? Your link goes on: Sexual harassment includes many things... See that? "Sexual harassment", the larger, umbrella term. Do you unders…	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 05:13 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Quite the opposite, I'm saying the generally held definition is exactly what matters, are you really just unfamiliar with the phrase? It was not invented in this deposition. Sexual advances are gestures, like a lewd comment. No one in their right mind who understands the phrase would describe a rape as a "sexual advance".	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 04:49 PM
2	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Here's the actual deposition: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1342034-exhibit-b.html You can see that she did not swear under oath that he didn't sexually abuse her. She said they never had an intimate relationship, and that he did not make sexual advances towards her.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 04:26 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go If you want to explain why that's wrong, go ahead and do so. Do you know what the phrase "sexual advances" means in typical usage? Spare me the generic, incredibly brave sound-bitey replies. To my surprise I found a guy in this thread that agrees with me and he got upvoted! Go ahead and downvote me if you want, at least upvote him.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 04:15 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Like did he hit on her in a manner that she perceived was sexual in nature? Or proposition her? Dear god a single voice of reason. I absolutely agree, and I think they know this to be true as well.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 03:58 PM
3	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Dr Luke has already filed two defamation suits, one against Kesha and one against her lawyer.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 03:38 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go I can't tell if you really just don't know that that is a phrase that already has an established meaning, or if you are just arguing to confirm a belief you want to have. Sexual advances are gestures, like a lewd comment. No one in their right mind who understands the phrase would describe a rape as a "sexual advance". Certainly no lawyer in a deposition would use the term that way.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 03:28 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Sexual advances are gestures, like a lewd comment or joke. Are you actually unfamiliar with the phrase's established meaning? Or are you just trying to stretch the definition to fit your narrative? No one in their right mind who understands the phrase would describe a rape as a "sexual advance". Certainly no lawyer in a deposition would use the term that way.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 03:15 PM
0	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go She swore he did not give her cocaine or a roofie, but said she did not know if he gave her other drugs.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 01:50 PM
-1	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Gross, blatant misrepresentation of my argument. My argument is that she did not swear under oath that he didn't sexually abuse her or rape her, which is true, and verifiable.	/r/MensRights	24/02/16 12:45 AM
-6	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go It is true, and it's clearly what a lawyer in a deposition was asking about. To include rape as a "gesture" requires meaninglessly abstract semantics. A gesture implies no action The opposite, it implies the very gesture itself, which is an action if you think rape couldn't possibly be an advance Obviously I never argued this straw man. I said that she did not swear she wasn't raped. I said she did swear he didn't make sexual advances towards her. I said that the common definition of what is mea…	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 11:04 PM
-11	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go I didn't say rape was a sexual gesture. I said it was a sexual advance. Try again. Sexual advances are gestures. You are a rare form of stupid if you think that a lawyer in a deposition asking about sexual advances meant "including rape, of course?". Such purposefully intellectual dishonest statements devalue the very legitimate issues that come up on this sub, and do us all a disservice.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 10:54 PM
-3	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go To include rape as a "gesture" requires meaninglessly abstract semantics.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 10:45 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go This is one of those situations where you're so obviously wrong it's hard to know if you believe it. If you don't understand that "sexual advances" doesn't include "raping someone in their sleep" I'm not sure how I can help you.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 10:39 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go It's strange that your understanding of the term could be so poor. I'm guessing you understand that, that you're being obtuse. They are gestures made toward another person. To include rape as a "gesture" requires meaninglessly abstract semantics. Still a much larger question than my original claim, that Kesha did not say, under oath, what the OP claimed she said.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 10:24 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Not my claim. Sexual advances are gestures, like a lewd comment. Not raping them in their sleep, as she alleges.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 10:07 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go One difference is that that isn't what she said. Another being that saying someone did not make sexual advances on you is not the same as saying you were not raped in your sleep by them.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 09:53 PM
–	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go Kesha swore under oath in 2011 deposition that Dr. Luke did NOT sexually abuse her. That is false. She did not swear under oath that he didn't sexually abuse her. She said they never had an intimate relationship, and that he did not make sexual advances towards her. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1342034-exhibit-b.html Downvoted for the truth. I didn't editorialize, it's there for you to see for yourself. I don't think it's right to spread inaccuracies about Dr Luke's story, I would hop…	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 09:27 PM
0	Kesha swore under oath in 2011 deposition that Dr. Luke did not sexually abuse her No, sexual advances are flirting, invitations to sex, suggestive touching, etc. Raping someone in their sleep is not a sexual advance.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 09:22 PM
2	Kesha swore under oath in 2011 deposition that Dr. Luke did not sexually abuse her Thanks for lowering the level of discourse to childish name-calling. There is a big difference between an intimate relationship and being raped.	/r/MensRights	23/02/16 09:21 PM
–	Kesha swore under oath in 2011 deposition that Dr. Luke did not sexually abuse her The released excerpts make the title of this post inaccurate. Never does she say that he "did not sexually abuse her", only that they did not, to her knowledge, have an "intimate relationship" She says he did not give her coke She says she does not know if he gave her other drugs She says he never gave her a roofie She says she doesn't remember if she told her mother about waking up in his bed She says she flew on a plane with him and made out with him on the plane She says they slept in the sam…	/r/MensRights	22/02/16 04:19 PM
-1	Saw this on Facebook Notice how the feminists ALWAYS conflate "rape" with "sexual assault." Are you talking about this specific case or is this just more general rhetoric? In this case rape refers to: forced vaginal, oral, and anal intercourse https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf Not "staring"...	/r/MensRights	10/12/15 03:17 AM
–	Hanging this graphic up around my school Like some men and women don't agree that men are generally stronger? "Society" is some giant living in the hill that tells men what to do?	/r/MensRights	29/04/15 11:16 PM
1	Hanging this graphic up around my school Holy fuck that whole thing looks terrible. Is the thing in the bottom left supposed to be a logo?! Hahahahaha	/r/MensRights	29/04/15 11:13 PM