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| 330 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and Dangerous | False Accusation | DryDriverx | /r/MensRights | 30/01/22 12:00 AM |
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| 1 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousNope. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/22 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousI appreciate you offering your perspective. I'm sorry those things happened to you. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/22 07:14 PM |
| 2 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousWhat do you mean by a culture shift? How do we shift culture? No one can change culture by themselves, but we can each individually choose to be a force for positive change. The #MeToo movement was meant to shift our culture towards encouraging speaking out. That is what I am advocating for. Statistics that are misused in the manner that I described are misused to allow people to ease their conscience when believing unproven allegations. "Only 2% of accusations are false. Science said so. Which … | /r/MensRights | 03/02/22 03:20 AM |
| 3 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousRape victims typically do have psychological issues. Yes of course, but the phrasing "screwed up for life," at least the way I interpretted it, suggested something more than just any psychological issue. It means something to me. A person can't get unraped. Of course, but that's not what I was getting at. Saying that "X is easier than forgetting a rape" isn't a fair standard because forgetting a rape is impossible. The fact that escaping a false accusation is hypothetically possible doesn't mean… | /r/MensRights | 03/02/22 03:16 AM |
| 5 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousA culture shift towards providing support to accusers without condemning the accused automatically. Huge portions of our society believe that the moral thing to do when someone is accused of rape is to outcast them. That is wrong. | /r/MensRights | 02/02/22 11:00 PM |
| 3 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousPsychologically they are screwed up for life. Most rape victims have psychological problems. I suppose unless we specifically define "screwed up for life" it's impossible for me to argue one way or the other. But no, I am certain most rape victims would not consider themselves "psychologically screwed up for life." I'm saying it's easier to escape a false accusation than to forget a rape Uh, sure? But this means nothing and it's an impossible standard. No one can literally make themselves forget… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/22 10:58 PM |
| 2 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousMost likely if she's saying that she'd rather be murdered, that an accusation is not worse than rape. Okay, but her opinion on the matter (that rape is worse than murder) is very rare. And to be perfectly honest, if push came to shove and a gun was to her head, I would be surprised to hear anyone say "shoot me." The fear of death is precisely the reason many people are victimized. Plus it's really not. If it hasn't happened to you, then you objectively have no idea. People get accused and some p… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/22 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousPeople who get raped are screwed up for the rest of their lives. This isn't black and white. I am certain that not every rape survivor considers themselves "screwed up for life." I certainly do not. A person with a ruined reputation can move or make new friends. You don't think reputation's follow you? You wouldn't consider a circumstance in which you have to literally skip town "life ruining?" No, it's horribly traumatic to have people believe you are a monster when you aren't, and to be powerl… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/22 10:43 PM |
| 2 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousNo, that's her statement. I'm asking what her point is. Like, why did she say it in this discussion? | /r/MensRights | 02/02/22 10:39 PM |
| 1 | "I'm totally for seeing evidence that I'm wrong"And yes men probably don’t feel comfortable talking about it but a lot of women don’t either. Right, and this is where we run into trouble. It's kind of a treacherous subject, but not all social stigma was created equal. It's important for us to be able to acknowledge just how much harder it is for men to be accepted as victims. I hope you can talk to other guys about this topic openly because guys listen to other guys more and you seem to have a good head on your shoulder. I do my best, but I'v… | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/02/22 02:20 AM |
| 1 | "I'm totally for seeing evidence that I'm wrong"It still doesn’t prove Edessa Kandros statement though. They said “men are victims of sexual assault much more often than women,” and both of the links we provided prove that statement to be untrue. The results provided in this report indicate that the burden of sexual violence, stalking, and intimate partner violence is not distributed evenly in the U.S. population. Consistent with previous studies, the results suggest that women, in particular, are impacted heavily during their lifetimes (11,1… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 11:07 PM |
| 1 | "I'm totally for seeing evidence that I'm wrong"Lol you literally pulled that out your ass, nowhere does it say 1.7 were forced to penetrate in the past 12 months. It literally says 1.7% have been raped in their entire lifetime compared to 19.3% of women. No I didn't. Rape is being defined as being forcibly penetrated. They do not consider "being forced to penetrate" as being raped. Both of the lines I wrote in italics come directly from the link. 1.7% of men were made to penetrate in the last 12 months according to the survey, whereas 1.6% o… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 09:47 PM |
| 10 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousHave you ever been falsely accused of rape? A false accusation is a reputation. Rape is trauma. Get over yourself. Do you know what it's like to have loved ones turn against you, thinking that you are a monster? To be unable to ever prove that you are innocent? To have it follow you for the rest of your life? Do not speak on things you do not understand. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/22 02:45 PM |
| 2 | "I'm totally for seeing evidence that I'm wrong"https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm The CDC doesn't consider being made to penetrate someone (AKA a woman raping a man) as rape, but it happens to men at rates greater than women being raped. while an estimated 1.7% of men were made to penetrate a perpetrator in the 12 months preceding the survey. an estimated 1.6% of women reported that they were raped in the 12 months preceding the survey. | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 02:42 PM |
| 6 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousAll of you sound like you would make any woman uncomfortable This is a very good demonstration of the problem. The simple fact that someone speaks on the problem of false accusation results in the assumption that they've done something wrong. You can't even talk about this issue without people making evil accusations towards you. Have any of you actually read history? Men have had fucking rights. Remember back when we needed you guys to approve of our bank accounts? Us working? Us getting our tu… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/22 02:35 PM |
| 5 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousYes, I have. I would rather trust a liar than a rapist, idk about you Okay, but why even compare the two? As a woman, I would literally rather be murdered than raped. Okay. What is your point? | /r/MensRights | 01/02/22 02:33 PM |
| 5 | Statistics Regarding False Rape Accusations are Misleading and DangerousDone | /r/MensRights | 30/01/22 05:23 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.You can’t ask for insane levels of detail in my claims while making your own claims without said detail What details are you looking for exactly? I also have absolutely no problem with saying yes, overall trends that, again, are pervasive in all levels of our politics and economy are more important than your cherry picked areas where you’re claiming men get less support Of course you don't. It suits your bias to view it that way and to consider dozens of aspects of society where its advantageous… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 09:46 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.The problem for you is the areas where it shows the exact opposite are far broader and further reaching than the rest. Nope, quite the opposite. while simultaneously saying that I’ve failed to show that women are disadvantaged while I’m pointing to clear trends in all levels of economically and politically significant positions of our society. You failed to demonstrate those trends were a matter of discrimination, and never provided any argument whatsoever to say those factors are more important… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 09:33 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.It does convey it through data points as in, a bunch of data points across a variety of areas of society. Glad we’re in agreement. Of course. Aggregate data does indeed convey a point. Only issue is that the aggregate data shows men are heavily disadvantaged | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 09:11 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.You're going to actually try to claim that being more likely to be in positions of power in every single level of society is one data point? How would it be two data points? It's one piece of information. How in the world am I supposed to take your argument in good faith? What kind of question is this? It does not mean women get paid less for the same work, sure. But women are statistically less likely to end up in jobs that are well paid, For this to be relevant to the discussion you would have… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 08:23 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Yeah, as the statistics show, that is the case. It's not my assertion, it's the author's Where does the author state that? Saying that they go based on the gender of respondent doesn't mean the statistics are being falsely skewed. You would have to establish that robbed couples are overwhelmingly having male respondents, and that has overwritten the data from single person households and those gender statistics. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 08:20 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Okay, and your assertion is that men are disproportionately providing that information compared to women? | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 08:13 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.I said pretty much only disadvantageous. Which is true This is not true. That's literally what's under dispute. You've repeatedly failed to make a valid argument about it. Where are your statistics? You’re the one making counterintuitive claims, but I’m the only one who has to provide data? That’s just arguing in bad faith. What statistics are being disputed? I can source things if needed, but every statistics I've given is found easily. If you want sources for specific things, just ask. The fac… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 08:10 PM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Right? I have no idea. I'm not a car jacker. they only use the gender of the respondent for the house Source? Also included are bar fights and fights at stadiums And? | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 09:50 AM |
| 3 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Conversation starts with a guy claiming women have more rights than men. Maybe with someone else. The comment chain that led to my involvement was you saying the way women get treated differently is only disadvantageous. I point out that’s insane and society is clearly skewed the other way. Yes, and when challenged to provide actual data, you floundered and have still failed to materialize a single valid argument in your favor. Guy comes along and tells me I’m the one doing mental gymnastics whi… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 04:45 AM |
| 3 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.It’s actually insane that I’d have to explain why laws in place during the lifetimes of people today would have an impact on today’s society. It certainly would be insane if you had to explain that, yet you do not. No one asked you to, and it certainly isn't necessary for this conversation. Are you also saying structural racism doesn’t exist because none of the laws are on the books anymore? Probably not, but that depends entirely on what we consider "structural." The phrase "structural racism" … | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 04:26 AM |
| 3 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.If actual laws discriminating against women being present in the lifetimes of people who are still alive Oh, so it's residual? As in, we aren't talking about the actual current present-day lives of human beings, but painting some kind of historical picture? Silly me, here I was thinking we were talking about what's happening right now. and thousands of years of clear societal structure I'm sure that really sucked back then. doesn’t convince you then you just don’t want to be convinced. Fine. Or … | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 03:31 AM |
| 1 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Oh, I know this game. You ask a question, and if I don't give the answer which you personally find most reasonable, you berate me, right? I don't know what the average mugger would do. I'm not a mugger and to my knowledge I've never met one. I certainly won't go making assumptions based on my personal bias instead of deferring to actual data. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 03:30 AM |
| 3 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.if anything society is clearly inequitable in favor of men. Men being a higher percentage of the homeless, or victims of suicide, doesn’t really change that. Which brings us right back to the issue we have been discussing. Ultimately which list of grievances is more meaningful than the other is subjective, and will likely correspond to which cause tugs harder on one's emotional heart strings whether that person is willing or able to acknowledge it or not. But no, I don't believe that it is inequ… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 03:02 AM |
| 5 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.But on any statistical average, unless you’re going to only talk about specific items, women are worse off than men. Why wouldn't we talk about those specific items, exactly? What makes a pay gap more important than a suicide gap? By the way, there are several "statistical averages" which favor women. Lifespan, educational success, etc. So sure, if you want to act like homelessness and suicide are the only measures of a lack of wellbeing Or just two examples amongst an enormous list. and ignore … | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 02:36 AM |
| 3 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.I'm just pointing out that sex work is a valid profession. And if a gang member considers that their job, then yeah, why not include it? My point is more that it's unlikely gang related deaths would be counted as workplace deaths alongside prostitutes, so the way it alters the numbers is one-sided. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 02:26 AM |
| 8 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Did you know that in the US more white men die of heart disease than black men? That's not because white mean re more susceptible however, it's just because there's more white men than black men in the US, the risk of heart disease is pretty much equivalent. Oh good grief. This analogy fails on so many levels. First of all the rates are per capita, not raw numbers. Second there are more women than men in the U.S. Since men are more likely to put themselves at that risk by going out alone of COUR… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 02:26 AM |
| 3 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Yet you frame it as that way instead of fighting for disadvantages that men have you fight against advantages women have. What? Holy shit? Why bring both down? Again, what? I am responding to the claim that the way women get treated differently is "only disadvantageous." Naturally my rebuttal to that claim would be to highlight ways it is advantageous. I am not trying to "bring both" down. And I am fighting against disadvantages that men have. That starts by highlighting the problem. Do you thin… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 01:53 AM |
| 11 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Source? https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=955 "Males experienced higher victimization rates than females for all types of violent crime except rape/sexual assault. " Common sense? Common sense more or less translates to "what my personal sense of intuition and bias have led me to believe." Not anything tangible, justifiable, etc. They're physically stronger and more likely to fight back. If petty criminals guided their lives based on logic, they likely wouldn't need to rely on muggings. Re… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 01:51 AM |
| 6 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.You’re talking about end results The end results and the parts of our lives are what constitute our reality. What life is actually like for men matters leaps and bounds more than an abstract unfalsifiable notion about what ideas our society is "structured around." At any level of society, men are more present in powerful and authoritative positions than women. The people in power being men is not the same as men being in power. For every Bill Gates there are 100,000 nameless men living with the … | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 01:27 AM |
| 5 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Yep. Muggers are usually uneducated, unintelligent, violent men. Most people can think of a few guys like that in their lives and how idiotically territorial or primal they got towards other guys when it comes to girls, parties, or whatever random nonsense they wanted to be mad about. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 12:58 AM |
| 3 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Men feel greater aggression towards other men. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 12:51 AM |
| 9 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.A man alone on the street is no more likely to be attacked than a woman, quite the opposite actually. The statistics suggest this is the opposite of true. Men are far more likely to be attacked. But if a woman and a man each went out the woman is statistically more likely to be assaulted because she stands the same risk of mugging but with an ADDED risk of rape. Is there any info that supports the idea Men and women are equally likely to be mugged if they are alone? Or for any of your other clai… | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 12:50 AM |
| 8 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.It is, but using it as a point of privilege is erroneous as its out of touch with most peoples realities. Should we include gang deaths too? | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 12:47 AM |
| 6 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.Its mostly because criminals are more aggressive towards men. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 12:45 AM |
| 7 | There’s Pros & Cons to both sides.In a way that’s pretty much only disadvantageous. There is a tremendously long list of ways it is advantageous. Highlights include lighter sentencing for the same crimes, way less likely to commit suicide or be homeless, and a whole bunch of cultural stuff about being able to express emotions. And that's barely scratching the surface. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/09/20 12:43 AM |
| 7 | Child supportUnless she didn't want custody in order to focus on her career | /r/PussyPassDenied | 24/05/20 09:30 AM |
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