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misandry isn't harmless, the reason why it is seemed as harmless is because anything that affects men as negative is either seen as individual or somehow co opted as misogyny even if it mainly affects men, i have seen this occur in another sub-Reddit where the person claimed homophobia is based on misogyny even lesbians are more socially accepted than gay men , and receive less back lash generally , or how the idea that toxic masculinity stems from misogyny when it applies to men as well, even t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/23 08:17 PM
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But thats false even DV stats disagree with that , gay men are the lowest on the list lesbians are the highest
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/23 11:17 AM
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This is true
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/23 03:31 PM
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This video feeks off , it gets somethings rigt bt alot of things wrong
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 10:28 AM
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They dont hate sexualisation they hate when it something that interests men and they cant mske.money from it , i used to actually be on their side until they started supporting sex work , only fans , twitch hot tib streamers , shows that are sexual but have feminists leanings like euphoria , bayonetta and the idea that women can dress how they want , when they want whenver they want regardless of context , they also have no issues with thrist traps they do however have issues with men who view t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/23 08:26 AM
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They arent extremely it is just hard to prove an accusation as false or true so its just an accusation the question then becomes who are you bais agaisnt the accuser or accuser even if there is no evidence the accused is usally presumed as guilty , its not that false accusers are rare ,its that most accusations do not lead to a conclusion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/23 07:00 AM
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Lol even feminist hate the menslib subreddit
/r/MensRights30/09/23 06:31 AM
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the thing is this most female dominated sub reddits are VERY VERY moderated so they end up banning most of the people that actually comment , you can still up vote but you cant comment , so they usually bleed into male dominated sub reddits , thats why ask men depsite the fact that it has less members than Twoxchromosomes and ask women, it has more engagment because they dont ban people unneccessarily , women then come in and feel so comfortable they try to demand the dub fit their change, it al…
/r/MensRights29/09/23 11:30 PM
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true
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 10:46 PM
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you are right , they are just less harmful than the left but the right is honestly doing a better job , i dont consider Andrew Tate or fresh and fit as necessarily right wing because even the right doesn't agree with them, i see them more as apolitical people who talk about men's dating issues specifically , the only reason they associate it with right wing is because they consider discuss men issues from a non feminist perspective as right wing generallyor misogynists as right wing even thou yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 07:21 PM
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concerning the shoe on head thing, they implied that she blamed women or asked women to fix it , never have they done this, in fact i am getting tired about the idea that men somehow look to women to solve their issues, this has never been a thing, in fact men specifically do not depend on women women both in personal and and societal issues this is one of the things feminism have complained about and deemed as part of toxic masculinity , ​ also the idea that men should depend on men for anythin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 05:45 PM
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this is also true
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 09:01 PM
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exactly even based on crime stats , they are least likely to cause harm women, most of what leads to femicide is usually IPV or IFV , incels are not the going around killing people or even attacking people over 90% of the time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 03:13 PM
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there are most likely femcels that have killed people, there might have not been mass shooting but there are women who have killed men based on their lack of domestic prospects, , i just disagree with the idea that incel are by proxy violence, most of them are not , how many shooting happens yearly , there more 300 this year only, incels dont have up to 20 generally
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 09:26 AM
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but they do not often resort to violence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 09:22 AM
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Most incels havent , its actually very rare , there are not up to 20 shooting and half of them and neccessarily incel related they just happen to participate in that forum they had other motivations
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/23 06:16 AM
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incels in generally arent bad, they just lucked out in dating , the main issue they have is that most of them have mental illness and have a lot of terrible issue including trauma, they also tend to be neuro divergent , and then we lie to them thats its completely their fault, this is untrue , we give terrible dating advice to men( everyone not just alpha male types ) in general but the ones who are socially impaired are hit the hardest, not to mention it is getting harder generally to interact …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/23 09:51 PM
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where men in charge yes, did they intentionally setup a system where women would always lack power and not be able to attain it , NO they did not
/r/MensRights02/09/23 09:40 PM
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this is what i would argue , the patriarchy relies on the idea that men created a system designed specifically to harm women and strip them of any power,and they cannot thrive in it and if they do it is by working within the system and using men to their advantage to work for other men , this implies that men are smart enough to pull this off in a time without any technology, modern medicine and the information on science we have today , this also implies that women are intellectually inferior a…
/r/MensRights02/09/23 09:29 PM
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Yeah but thats them taken it out of context
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/23 06:34 AM
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Is that stat true , please source
/r/MensRights27/08/23 07:06 AM
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Based on your definition no, but based on what the definition of patriarchy actually was yes
/r/MensRights18/08/23 02:43 PM
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make sense there are several culture in which the husband takes the wife name ,so marriage was more dependent on culture
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/23 08:45 PM
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makes sense, the left is not conducive to men, they give a message but act different, the right might not be healthy, but their views on men is consistent with actions, meaning they dont hate men , they just have belief that might cause more harm to men, the left however does promote misandry and their actions dont match some of their messages of love and tolerance edit: they also encourage men to be good and believe while men can be dangerous they are also capable of good and self sacrifice, th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 08:16 PM
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i agree with most of your response , except for the idea that i want anti feminist in academia, thats not what i was implying, what i am say anti feminist arent in academia, i am saying they have no barriers when discussion mens issue when it comes to education, no protest , nothing is actually preventing them from addressing some male issues, but they arent and they prevent others from doing so, the fact that boys are failing is proof of that, i also have seen discussions about men issues on th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/23 03:44 PM
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One women is not the spokes person for all group members, even if she is informing opinion. Also she is literally in the uk. If you are in the uk, this still doesn't apply, and is generalizing towards the uk feminist in your population. I refer back to my previous point: marital rape was legal, did all people endorse marital rape? This is was used as an example , of course not all feminist agree on this , but the ones with actual power dont do shit No, because you have literal right-wingers in t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/23 10:32 AM
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men built it but i dont think it was about making it for people to suffer but for what was the most productive and sustainable at the time , and what they thought made sense, women also contributed to this because unless they were all just slaves and had no input, there wouldnt be any matriachs in existence or female leaders and feminism wouldnt have the in fluence it has today, i dont think there was an intention system of oppression built because if thats the case , no one who was oppressed wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 10:22 AM
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no you just dont have actual points , so you are deflecting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 10:16 AM
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there will occasionally be terrible comments that will not be removed, this doesn't prove that they is more misogyny than critic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 07:10 AM
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then please point out the misogyny then , where is it , because i believe but you claim its rampant, if its rampant surely the top 10 recent posts will have outright misogyny
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 07:09 AM
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first all Men not supporting MRAs isnt neccesarily a sign of MRAs doing their job poorly, there are alot of anti feminist women, who have valid reasons for being anti feminist, but all of it is chalked as being pick me , what if the real reason is that feminism is actually just cringe but you wouldnt use such a stupid argument for a claim 2nd of all , pointing out a woman doing wrong is not a bad thing as for billie ellish being sexist , she is a popular icon who is a role model to millions of y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 01:08 AM
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WHICH POST IN THEIR TOP POST HERE IS SPECIFICALLY BLAMING WOMEN AND FEMINISM FOR ALL THEIR PROBLEMS , OR IS THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF WOMEN BEING SHITTY A PROBLEM FOR YOU
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 12:19 AM
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so let me get this straight , acknowledging shitty behaviour done by women that feminist themselves dont like to acknowledge is misogyny , but some odd reason 2xchromosones still exists and isnt considered a severe hate sub by feminists , women who literally post shit about men committing violence everyday (which i think is a good thing because these things should be talked about ) is not considered misandry , WTF
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 12:18 AM
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feminism claims to be about equality but its really pro women and when it gains from it anti men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 11:17 PM
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one of the biggest barrier to advocacy of male domestic violence is the duluth model that implies domestic violence is a patriarchal violence used to dominate and control women so it is always focused on male perps and female victims and that even if the guy is the victim , he should be the one arrested, this is a feminist invention, they are also responsible for lack of research on male issue in academia because they always stonewall it , if it doesnt fit their narrative , ​ they have articles …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 11:16 PM
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thats true , i think most of it is usually venting but venting if overdone can get toxic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 11:11 PM
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being anti feminist doesnt mean anti women , first of all , a lot of them dont actually promote incel logic , most i have seen even normal male subs dont support incel behaviour as much as you think, they also dont support violence against women , as for pro masculine take , there are some , but for those discussion feminism has to be brought up because they are a barrier to a lot of mens issue being solved, and some times even contribute to it , so much so that even leftist are starting to see …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 11:09 PM
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i dont think its that big of a deal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/23 04:32 PM
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The fact that mens lib subreddit a feminist space for men brought up a domestic expert researcher who was basically excusing male victims of domestic violence victim , and they themselves had to admit that this is wasnt a safe space for male victims of any kind of abuse even sexual is really telling , this is two years ago mind you , feminism isnt about helping men in anyway or gender quality , how anyone cant see that blows my mind
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/23 02:00 PM
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I can , i have some
/r/MensRights30/05/23 04:04 PM
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that has nothing to do with this analogy ,
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 08:56 PM
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The solution is simply men have to stop caring about what feminist or even women think about male issues and help just help men , they should also gatekeep it from women if they have to , women don't need to be involved, they address this with the benefit of helping men and men solely , it shouldn't interfere with women's rights but if there are indirect consequences that negatively affect women , that should not matter to men , you should also create male spaces that keep out women, regardless …
/r/MensRights22/05/23 09:51 AM
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To an extent I agree but what I would argue is simply allow more male only spaces and let boys hang out with themselves more without the influence of the opposite sex and Foster like friendship, but I wouldn't say ut should he as sanitized as this
/r/MensRights21/05/23 06:59 AM
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I also think it should be devoid of women , women shouldn't be allowed into these spaces
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/23 05:28 PM
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Economic isolation ,the drive to promote an individualistic culture and the extreme policing of men and male spaces by feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/23 07:46 AM
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Being gay is seen as an excuse to take poor behaviour from women because , you wouldn't be turned on meaning you can't take it inappropriately
/r/MensRights15/05/23 09:58 AM
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Happy mothers day
/r/MensRights15/05/23 09:22 AM
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what makes it the right thing to do
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 07:11 PM
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That's what's she is asking for , for men to simply be doormats
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 07:04 PM
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Doing what is right is good but not doing it all the time isn't always bad , and there should be a threshold to bad reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:41 PM
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Sorry I don't think this is a realistic view , unless you are perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:32 PM
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You didn't
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:27 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:27 PM
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I am not denying this is a human issue , this person addressed men and phrased it as a male issue by reference stiocness
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:25 PM
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Because you are saying that women who behave like this get called out , they usually don't
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:22 PM
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The people yass queening women for incel shit don't see it that way , and they are rarely called bt here we are sering someone BSing that someone can feel bad from a rejection even thou , most women can't
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:21 PM
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I have seen women shit on all men for this and then they were yas queened
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:17 PM
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Funny because I actually don't see this standard both in real life and here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:14 PM
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I made it clear that these were all done consensually and politely , except leaving the perso on text , as for the ghosting part , alot of women have done that to alot of men and justified and men who were rightfully angry and complained were called incels for it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:13 PM
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if you have been constantly reject as a woman, regardless of reasons according to you women shouldnt complain about it , is that the view point you hold
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:04 PM
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,is any of the things listed poor treatment man ghosted her , left her on read, fucked zoned, her, said they wouldnt date because she is fat , no woman should ever be angry that a guy doesnt want to date based on education, looks , money , being a single mother, onlyfans models, and should accept that men want women with low body , you should just be happy for the guy regardless because you are good person , mind every of these things are said politely and they take it poorly, should women compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:02 PM
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it can be but not being sad because you are rejecting or complaining about it in the future doesnt mean you are not a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:00 PM
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by this logic, no woman should ever complain about the fact that a man ghosted her , left her on read, fucked zoned, her, said they wouldnt date because she is fat , no woman should ever be angry that a guy doesnt want to date based on education, looks , money , being a single mother, onlyfans models, and should accept that men want women with low body , you should just be happy for the guy regardless because you are good person , ​ never as a woman should you whine and complain, you should alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:35 PM
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You are reading too much into the analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:02 AM
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you asked what male movements have done, edit, i wouldnt tell men to join feminist bevcause its not for them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 04:01 PM
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these are better advice , they have nothing with being a good person but they are better advice
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:57 PM
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they absolutely have been addressing this , the MRAs have talked about this, they have even advocates for these things to be addressed, also no only penetrative rape was recognised and when it was changed, being forced to penetrate was not, it was the MRAs that showcased the CDC stats
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:36 PM
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ok what advice aside from this do they give
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:35 PM
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Yes thats actually what i am saying, am i wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:33 PM
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I AM SAYING WHAT ELSE ASIDE FORM LOOKS AND PERSONALITY IS RELEVANT TO ATTRACTION
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:28 PM
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or by the law, i am saying adult can also be raped but it is not seen by the law in alot of places even in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:26 PM
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Great, what does that have to do with anything we wrote, much less feminism? Are you incapable to tell me the point of it in the context of what we are writing? a feminist is complaining about the idea of men not being economically vaible enough for her What? How are men being forced to rape? What does that mean? Why don't these men call the police: "hello, i have a gun in my head, someone is forcing me to rape a woman" What are you talking about. Please please me more clear. being forced to pen…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:14 PM
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how did i do that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:57 PM
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i didnt say you said that, i said thats usally where they end the advice for men , they say nothing else
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:55 PM
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the duluth model makes things worse, they are activitly promoting the idea of men to seek out therapy or other forms of help , but dont actually create the proper mediums, alot of therpist are incompatible with men, feminist do not ask for that compatibiliity, they simply tell men seek help, even if they have, they do not encourage women who are unsupportive of men emotions to change, also , i also dont think they have done anything that the male movement didnt already start
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:55 PM
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Great, what does that have to do with anything we wrote, much less feminism? the writer of this article is a feminist writer And they are correct. But they have not dismissed that it happens the other way around. The link you provided said they have understated how bad it is , i never said they dismissed it , i said they understate the issue WRONG! When were drunk drivers let off the hook because they were drunk? the point i am making is that if you account for the idea that men being forced to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:51 PM
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no i am saying the movement does little to help men, some times it makes things worse
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:27 PM
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I can't open the first article. From the title I can't imagine it "complains about the quality of men". Quote it. "Additionally, women on both the low end and high end of the socioeconomic spectrum were found to face a harder time finding an economically compatible mate". The second article No, I really don’t. Sexism is about the institutionalized and interpersonal treatment of women and people perceived to be women. Again, look at the world. Where is discrimination? Where are men being excluded…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 01:17 PM
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bell hooks is the only feminist that referenced this and even as people spread this tlaking point, they do little to nothing actually help and the results are showing, ​ i dont understand what the last question is about
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:59 PM
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Most of their critiques start and end with toxic masculinity which wasn't even a original feminist critic z it was made by an MRA , the highest they do is claim there is a societal expectation for men to not show emotion or seek but they fail at that critic as for the reason why , which is that , there is less empathy afforded to men generally and this has always been the case but they would never admit to that and that this traits are not always expressed by men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 11:56 AM
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Sme thing thou, women have complained about the idea that men simply have sex with them and want no other relationship by his logic , this is feminist in nature and if you as a woman are offended its because you are entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 11:53 AM
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It does not. I have seen articles https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/marriage-rates-decline-reason-economically-attractive-men-jobs-income-a9098956.htmlhttps://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/marriage-rates-decline-reason-economically-attractive-men-jobs-income-a9098956.html Absolutely not. They do Quote them. https://medium.com/iron-ladies/why-is-hating-men-okay-a77f9c7d7b30 https://ravishly.com/2015/01/07/myth-misandry-misogyny-oppression-marginalization My morons are pedo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 11:52 AM
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What would make them partly feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 11:37 AM
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I don't agree with your reasons but just as women claim friendzone isn't a thing ,I don't think the fuck zone is a thing , because sex is consensual by both parties , if you withhold your feelings and assume he will just come around that's on you, having sex doesn't equal consent to a relationship, women are not owed commitment because they had sex with someone and if they jusy lay there taking it that's on them and I don't feel sorry for them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 10:31 AM
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But op is arguing for pimping and dumping thou
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 10:26 AM
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This is not about women or how feminism benefits them. I am a man, late 30s, in good shape with a good job. I find that feminism has benefitted me enormously. First of all, sexual revolution has been great for casual sex. I love that it's normal and ok to have multiple partners, you can do whatever you want. I slept with lots of women from age 17 to 36. It's not even a big deal for most women. feminism is not resposible for the sexual revolution; it just benefitted from it I never want kids. Fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 10:16 AM
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men should not be feminist , it doesn't exists to help men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 10:04 AM
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​ First, where did I mention whether it did or not? And as it is a women's movement, that "almost" is good enough - compared to the non-existent male movement. good enough for women, i dont think men should join it thou, it does little to nothing to actually help men, if we are honest, and at the same , complains about the quality of men Fuck them all in the ass. What does that have to do w9ith anything I wrote? AND how do you know they were feminists or that they knew what feminism is? You want…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 10:03 AM
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the fisherman ideology is essentially saying that , women cant understand how to attract because they dont do it , they dont understand the time place and environment nor o they understand the dynamics, you would think they would and that was the basis before until men started getting worse and worse advice from them, thats why the analogy is used, a peacock only uses beauty, fishing does takes way more than being fine
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 09:43 AM
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lol this is stupid, most women like most men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 09:37 AM
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what makes you think men are tricking women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 09:33 AM
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thats still the same thing thou, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 09:02 AM
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nah unless you want to encompass most men as manospherian , especially out side the west, most dudes who are successful with women arent listening to advice from women , specifically women in the west yes, if you have other personalities and characteristics yes ,but if they are not , we are not giving them advice to get those trait, we are telling them its still possible; and thats where the advice stops you used the idea of the type of women you tend to see manosphere guys talk about to deny th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 08:58 AM
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i didnt mention manospeherians, i said men who push back on advice given by women , or anecdotes of how this specific person that has a characteristic that leads to a disadvantage in dating are usually right on the idea that it wasn't simply about personality , being short is a disadvantage in dating overall this isnt about the manosphere, this is about the fact that women in general tend to give men bad dating advice , and that is true, the type of women the manosphere talks about is one subset…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 08:15 AM
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lol true people dont know what they want, but i think men give more honest advice to women attracting men than men attracting women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:56 AM
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they do , most of the guys that tend to be short have other things that help them , its not neccessaruly because they are just funny and charismatic , sometimes its that , most times its not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:54 AM
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in terms of atttraction, looks actually matters more than personality , , but they deny it completely thats the issue, they actually deny , they also deny the type of look women are more likely be attracted too ​ being short in itself doesnt get you into relationship , its mostly other factors, being short in itself is more of a hindrance than an advantage, and no short men do not get plenty of dates, some do , msot dont, just because you see them withn one women doesnt mean they generally get i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:52 AM
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nah even if you add nuanced, alot of women generalise their advice thats the problem, men use to listen to this , until they found out , the advice sucked, everything you have said in the statement before the replies are true ; but thats usually the end of those conversations , ​ looks arent everything , true so whats next, be a good person and thats it , thats the end of their advice, they dont actually give generalised advice nor do they account for the most of the variables
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:41 AM
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the issue is men in general are listening less to the dating advice given by women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:33 AM
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its not that they misunderstand , its that the conversation is not about courtship , its about attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:31 AM
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they arent doing it for men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:25 AM
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the problem is more tha half of the time, the dudes tend to be right
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:15 AM
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again no one is saying women love those men, i am saying what causes attraction isnt always necessarily a sign of any form of behaviour, confidence , charisma is amoral, but thats not the advice we give men, we tell them to be good people ;that has nothing to do with being attractive, but we focus on the being good part above all else, even thou its arguably the least important part in terms of attracting women, physical traits , money and charisma is more important than your morals as in they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:08 PM
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Yes but the behaviour aren't actually things that showcase you being a good or nice person
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:14 AM
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I disagree I think the reason men fail with women has little to do with attitude and more to do with aesthetic and charisma
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:59 AM
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Compared to men not that much
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:57 AM
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True but the question is about how you vet people alot of people don't know how to vet, this applies to both men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:50 AM
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I don't agree with this premise because you can't really tell someone character until you date , there is also the fact that statistically you are wrong , men are dating less
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:49 AM
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It's not just serial killer, they are simply examples, and it's not just mentally unwell people, the point is your good behavior or morality has nothing to do with sexual success because even in day to day interactions , you can see terrible individuals get success in the sexual aspect unless you want to admit that most women are indeed mentally ill then okay, Also they do absolutely represent the average woman because the average woman isn't actually that healthy as well , Men aren't blaming , …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:47 AM
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Picky as in how; based on personality or looks
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:39 AM
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Women have more options than men in terms of both dating and relationships and yes I mean relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:31 PM
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Men didn't promote hook up culture; women did
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 07:16 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 07:15 AM
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Who do you think has been encouraging women to sleep around and that their body count doesn't matter , or that they get less from marriages and should work and be a strong independent women who need no man , that they can dress and portray themselves how they want and no one has the right to call them out , who are the people encouraging sex work, feminism absolutely encouraged hook up culture ;which is why blame men or patriachy for it . When the e-girls on twitch started sexualising themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 07:03 AM
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This isn't a common talking point, but it does make sense to stop cold approaching women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 06:57 AM
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Hr point is it can go either way, there are dudes who are terrible to people that get women by being terrible and others by other means
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 06:05 AM
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Not really there is a study that actually showed that most incels are left wing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:58 PM
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Oh ok , it's not hard to hide it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:26 PM
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You actually can't it's easy to hide how you really feel or behave
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:58 PM
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So I am right you can't actually tell how someone is like from one short conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:55 PM
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You get a good feel about what people are like just from a short conversation. You literally said this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:51 PM
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Then why did you argue against that point? You were saying that assholes get into the relationships by being assholes. But in reality they have to fake being a good person because people don't like assholes. I said being a good person has nothing to do with entering a relationship , you can be pleasant to be around and still be horrible to everyone but because you are perceived as pleasant no one will call you out for it And yes I belive both is possible you can be an asshole and it can work and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:48 PM
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Have you never talked to a person, or do you just have the social awareness of a lamp post? People's body language and reactions says alot about them. It doesn't; there are people who are socially anxious and have anxiety issues , some are neuro divergent and their mannerism can be misinterpreted as creepy https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/dating-a-psychopath/ https://www.psypost.org/2023/05/psychopathic-men-are-better-able-to-mimic-prosocial-personality-traits-in-order-to-appear-appealing-to-wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:38 PM
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Obviously, but you get to know what their overall character is like. That's what I am saying you don't, and you can't even prove this is a real thing Abuse is often insidious. An abuser usually starts out being perfectly pleasant and apparently (or actually) loving, but eventually, generally in small increments, they start abusing their spouses. Sp how do you know who is genuine
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:20 PM
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What kind of place do you live in? If you are an asshole to a person from the start, they won't get into a relationship with you. I am saying this considering the amount of abusive relationships that exist and redflags and the fact that I have seen genuinely terrible dudes get women You get a good feel about what people are like just from a short conversation. You actually don't , because you can't know someone from a short convo
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:14 PM
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If you are just a straight up shit person and announce that to the world, yeah, you almost certainly wont be in a relationship. Take a good look at r/niceguys . That's not even true , there are several people who announce themselves like that and still gey relationships You said that it's the bare minimum, I said it doesn't matter if you are good or not because that's not what people are attracted , you can only know someone's character once you get to know them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:04 PM
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This isn't about manipulation if being a good person was what was the bare minimum then all a dude has to do is be a good person and no terrible human being would be in a relationship ever , also its not just low self esteem people who are susceptible to manipulation but okay
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 02:10 PM
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⁹do you know what minimum means ,it means prerequisite meaning that for a girl to like tou , you have to be a good person , reality doesn't agree with you on that because there are alot of women who go into horrible with people who are walking red flags
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 02:03 PM
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Oksimple being a good person has nothing to do with attracting women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:58 PM
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Being pleasant to be around doesn't mean you aren't an asshole nor does it mean you are a good person , there are several people who aren't terrible people who are just normal average guys that people deem not pleasant to be around Charisma doesn't equal good person, also being pleasant to be around doesn't always mean you are attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:48 PM
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This is the advice op is kind of supporting Being nice is kind of the bare minimum. What you are on top of being nice is what matters. But it's not thou , because it's irrelevant to attracting women , countless of men have done this without being nice to women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:33 PM
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So why are we giving advice on character when character doesn't actually matter if you want to attract women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:29 PM
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I guess the error is to paint character as the most important thing, it is important but not enough by itself depending ln the woman you want to attract anyways, if you just want a shallow bitch then yes character isnt that importan Honestly I think it's luck and environment and looking out for redflags but that's not based on your behaviour more so observing there's Just dumb feminists karens wishful thinking, rather than being a good person so you get chosen, be a good person (and do the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:06 PM
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This is not just a thing in America, and not all things are equal in reality ; why are we giving men advice about character and relationships when they are asking about how to attract women and why are we pretending that success with women is some how a sign of approva that you are a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:34 PM
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The issue; that's not the advice we are giving , we are telling them that being a good person is the way and not that ,it's not about morality or character but by looks, charisma , money , mannerism and status, you have to simply be good at socialising not be a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:25 PM
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This isn't about whether or not I am easy to manipulate if women simply went for men that treat them right , there would be no woman complaining about any of their relationships and there would be no abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:20 PM
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Ok and
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:17 PM
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So why are we pretending this is about intention and being good to women when we have established that it can be done either way ? It shows that attraction isn't actually based on character but other factors
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:14 PM
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I never said people are attracted to abuse thou, I am saying whether or not men are nice and respectful to isn't why they would be attracted to men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:58 AM
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If they ads richer than me they cant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:39 AM
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Because when it comes to specifically attracting women and getting past the initial stages , for some odd reasons these guys know how to do it especially with multiple women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:32 AM
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That's fair but that's not what I am talking about, I am saying if I was pretending to be any of these things by the logic of op it should work because I am respecting the woman and I am being kind to her
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:08 AM
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Either way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:42 AM
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As for the violence part, i think that's more due to the fact that women are less likely to be involved in a life of violence and crime. They also get targeted less by other men, so the ones that do end up being close to them. My point was that these women are involved with men that suck , if simply being nice and respectful was the key then how do these guys get involved with them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:12 AM
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There are rapist who had treated their victims very well before they raped them, re you saying those people respected their victims and were kind to them Edit according to its not based on intent but based on actions this is why I phrased the question this way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 09:10 AM
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Being respectful and kind even if its fake is pretty much the same thing as the nice guy troupe., the idea is that I give a girl fake respect and fake kindness why doesn't it work
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:53 AM
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Maybe but my point if simply being nice and respectful was good enough why doesn't it work if the idea was wanting a guy who is respectful and nice to you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:45 AM
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What does they mean , a nice guy way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:42 AM
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Majority of harm caused to women are by people they know and trust , which begs the question who are they dating, we keep telling men that the only reason a guy gets a girl is because he gives her attention and respect , even thou most of what we have seen is that , he either got it by luck , by money or by charisma and looks, some guys can be funny but they are by no means common , we have also heard multiple women complian about settling for perfectly good men who have actually respected them,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:35 AM
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Its rare , but like it's nit about being arrested its being labelled as a creep
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:25 AM
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I agree stop marrying broke women or don't marry at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:51 AM
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That's a reasonable height it's not too short or too tall plus looks account for the issues
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:09 AM
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Can't tell how tall you are but first you are slim, you have proper jaw line , your hair is properly done , and you are white, some incels are Asians, some are black and some are Hispanic ,so yes you are moderately attractive a 7 I might add
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:08 AM
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You also don't account for the fact that alot of these guys are prob neuro divergent or on the spectrum , some have social anxiety and are not particularly attractive which is actually important because unattractive men have a harder time getting women to even be nice to them, much less approach them for a date ; so it's not simply they aren't trying it and it's so easy because women can't even be mean or be uncomfortable if it's polite, we know this to not be true because you could simply be aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:03 AM
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You are in the same school , you are both students, you are I the same geographical area , and you can easily meet each other outside of classes and groups , nah compared to outside , there is familiarity and school is easier
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:59 AM
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Not necessarily because there is a form of familiarity among student within the same schools and even that is starting to reduce, cold approach I plies there is no familiarity , that's why it gets harder to approach when you get older , because if it was so simple to approach, women would also be doing that's would be a better and ptob higher successful endeavour consider that they would be approaching guys they want
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:56 AM
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Most people who end up dating usually do from the friend of a friend or online dating , people are lying when they say women don't use online dating, it Is alot of couples meet each other now adays https://increditools.com/how-many-couples-meet-online/ Dating specifically for men is burning out whether you cold approach or not , it is increasingly becoming the least successful way to approach women Most people meet through friends, schools or hobbies, that's it. cold approaching random women doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:52 AM
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Am sorry but like the not approaching women in public is actually a reasonable and valid idea because honestly we don't know which woman would find that weird z especially determining the place time and and we have to consider the mood of the person which they can't predict
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:42 AM
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Red pillers target young men to deluded them typically before handing out prescriptions which is cult behavior. First of all , redpillers don't actually target young men they target all men , they don't have a specific demographic, if young men are listening it's because there is something young men want from it Telling their audience that college girls sleep with 25 to 50 men a semester. Only young impressionable minds will believe this. Fair I think this is wrong too but you are using like two…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:38 AM
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One of the examples I gave is the leverage of money to make demands to women that are non-normative meaning this community considers any demand nor moral or immoral if she consents. Kevin Samuel's is an example where he told men it's OK to physically discipline your wife if she consents to it. Red pillers telling men you need to become wealthy so your significant other will be fine with you sleeping around. The same with demand for a woman to be submissive which is essentially just shut up and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:32 AM
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Plenty of red pillers who violate the is/ought problem giving out prescriptions by descriptions all the time. On paper it's just a tool set for young men to apply but in reality red pillers are left and right handing out prescriptions to men. Are you seriously claiming that red pillers are devoid of prescriptions to their audience? Giving prescription is not the same thing as forcing people to follow their prescriptions Islam is absolutely responsible for acts of some attacks. I don't want go in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:29 AM
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You know what they should do it
/r/MensRights10/05/23 12:21 AM
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Some of these guys aren't actually right wing but okay
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 11:50 PM
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Never said I expected it to , I simply said it doesn't critic when it comes to women crimes against men why you think I gave that expectation is on you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 05:29 PM
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That's on hem to figure out , for every woman who commits atrocities should we blame all women on the men terrible choices no not really
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 03:45 PM
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Wait women's fault for what
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 03:29 PM
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Thats fair but also let them know that freezing your eggs is not a guarantee most of those eggs will die
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 10:14 AM
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Many times it can also be from not having the right partner, or a partner than expressed wanting to have children early on, then changed their mind 5-8 years into the relationship or marriage, or they did something to betray you, and the woman had to start over with a new man, and then that man ended up being abusive or anything else that’s detrimental and they realized bringing a child into the world with that man would be a mistake. That's fair a partner is very important, but I assume she was…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 09:37 AM
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Yeah this goes both ways , this empathy is not afforded to men who have this issues usually not; plus she had the ability and the time to do it , this idea that women complain about not having kids after the ability has passed when they have every opportunity to do so has always been weird to me because there is literally nothing stopping you, unless you have fertility issues , if she did then yes I would have sympathy but if you are choosing to , because you want to advance your career you can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 09:21 AM
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If you as a woman don't have kids before 30 or 40 , you aren't a victim because you regret it , and I don't think you are owed sympathy, you can choose to do what you want but I am not going to sit here and pity because of choices you made when you had opportunities to choose to better or even do both in moderation ,that's on you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 09:18 AM
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Amber heard is a know one and in terms of mainstream she was support by feminist organisations, mindy kailing, Katie Perry
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 01:34 PM
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absolutely agree. Right now the MRA movement isn't going anywhere because it has one singular goal: to strawman feminism in order to blame feminism for all of men's problems, rather than taking any accountability for themselves and their own gender group. Feminists would likely agree on a whole host of men's issues if they bothered to listen at all--but that's not the point of the MRA movement. It's obvious that the movement is actually a lightly veiled reactionary anti-women's movement that hid…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 01:27 PM
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Not necessarily, it only critiqued itself on how it organises in helping women not theories of patriahcy or how women are oppression, from the sex positive feminism to girl boss feminism the issue are always about how it doesn't always help all women but that's the end of the critiques , when it comes to crimes against men they don't say anything
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:42 PM
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There are feminist who have commited sexual assault crimes some have been involved in domestic violence and yet I have never seen hem denounce them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:41 PM
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It actually isn't, this wasn't a terms used to describe anything mail centric Internet group
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:36 PM
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Lol that dude was fake
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:25 PM
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Not always , the tinder swindler proves that wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:13 AM
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Bs they only reason they like him less is because they know its fake, if they didn't they would like him more
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:05 AM
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yes and no, there are things you should ope n up about and things you shouldnt , also never vent to women about women because they would never understand , then not every woman is worth opening up to , and i am not saying few, a large among of women suck in terms of support, some just dont care, and some use to to their advantage , now people might say just dont date these people, what i will say is , dont open up to a woman unless she has earned , they arent entitled to it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:51 AM
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but we arent talking about men you arent close to
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:40 AM
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i rarely see this play out nor do have i ever seen a tiktok like this , i have seen them being manipulative but to use someones trauma as ammo isnt something i have as that common from men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:39 AM
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if this is learned so much , why do both men and women so much relationship issues now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:36 AM
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Because you believe this advice sucks, so i am asking you what advice do you think maximises attraction, everything you is more about perspective and inward growth, that doesnt show externally
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:36 AM
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THEY ARENT BLAMING WOMEN , THEY ARE SAYING THE ADVICE PEOPLE GIBVE ABOUT WOMEN IS TERRIBLE, IF YOU CONSIDER THAT AS BLAMING THEN THATS ON YOU, BUT PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU CONSTITUTE AS BLAMING WOMEN
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 05:34 AM
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Discuss that they should try to expand their interests and thay women not liking them isn't actually a judgment of character because character has nothing to do with attracting and that they should maximise attraction points like charisma, looks and money, get physically fit
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:51 PM
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Lol What makes you think i am not , I am not just going to ignore the idea and behave like you are completely right, I actually have a real life outside of reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:36 PM
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That is true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 03:02 PM
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I am not asking how to maintain a relationship , I am asking how to attract women , which I think is most guys issue , you are looking at this backwards , if intelligence was what it took to get to the door then we wouldnt have guys who are less abusive be single compared to the people you are talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 01:08 PM
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Here are alot of dudes who don't have tand get women , so what makes you think my lack of this is the cause of my issue
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 01:03 PM
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Stats disagree with you because the loneliness epidemic is on the rise and it is also affecting women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 10:55 AM
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Talking is different from approaching with romantic intent
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 10:35 AM
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Therapy is your big one, but generally a better social life is what’s going to help the most, not online and not just people into the same shit as you. A low paid job where loads of people work, learning to abide by shitty rules from shitty managers, work nights outs, learning office politics and understanding the importance of networking and overcoming rumours. Therapy helps with specific issue like trauma and all it does is just help you deal , it doesn't always work, but i don't think therapy…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 08:23 AM
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How does one get help
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:50 AM
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I don't think this has anything to do with redpill men , most young men have issues approaching women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 07:49 AM
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Feminist also believe in the patriachy and misogyny is every where
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:49 AM
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Wtf are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:49 AM
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People apparently don't know this because no one talks about getting to the front door
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:46 AM
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Arr you kidding every time hey give a solution which is fitness , money and status you people disagree, they don't blame women, they accept that there are things women like and don't like but what is being told to women isn't what women are actually attracted to , so they use their own knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:43 AM
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Men aren't shocked but they are told by women are bluepillees thay women don't care about looks or money ro status
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:36 AM
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So it’s the constant litany of “women are superficial” “women are shallow”, “women only fuck chads” that makes RP misogynistic. Ah I see, you know what you are right but being misogynistic doesn't actually prevent you from getting women , if you deem what the redpill says as misogynistic but it works then being misogynistic doesn't prevent them from reaching their goal can dress it up all you like, but the absolute zero respect and constant degrading language, the fairly frequent hatred is what …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:16 AM
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Your “harsh reality” kind of seems cherrypicked from small portions of your own limited experience, and chooses to willfully ignore any instances of men being shallow in what they look for in a partner. And the solutions you mention are all utterly superficial themselves: hit the gym, get a flashy car/job, money. What about real self-work? Like addressing your insecurities? You thinking that women are universally this shallow seems to lock you into finding shallow solutions to your problems… The…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 06:11 AM
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I don't bt apparently most women don't want a house husband
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:36 PM
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Shat are their faults
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:56 AM
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No but it will be a factor on how he is perceived that's why people who are attractive tend to socialise better its not because they are better at socialising its bevauze they get more leeway in socialising with others
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:55 AM
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​ For the same reasons black neighbors are more watched by police: That’s where the trouble is starting. Sir, I am a black female you are not going to be able to use this against me. I have actually seen how black boys act. Most troublemakers are in fact black boys. this does not mean there is no bais against them in general, 'most CEOS are men therefore men are betters leaders because more men are successful than women " this is the logic you are following , you havent actually proven that ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 07:39 PM
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Not really there is an active push to get girls into school than boys Boys are more likely to be watched for terrible behaviour especially black boys even thou everyone causes the same amount https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/black-students-teachers-implicit-racial-bias-preschool-study Boys are also more likely to be graded harshly than girls https://bigthink.com/thinking/boys-graded-more-harshly-in-school/ Then we know for a fact that plays such as rough housing is heavily discourag…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 06:46 AM
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Saying hypergamy is worse now than ever because of feminism, butstudies shows that women are less hypergamous than previous generations of women. After all, Hypergamy is “the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background”. Now, if anyone is saying “That’s not the definition we’re using”, then we’re getting into the subjective territory because now they have created their own definition of Hypergamy. Even defining Hypergamy …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 06:33 AM
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There’s really no “debate” here, it’s just overwhelmingly men (and I bet mostly teenagers) complaining and reaffirming each-other’s insane beliefs. “Women will never love me because I’m not 6’3!” is one common inanity. “Women only care about money!” is another. It’s pathetic. You’re getting your ideas about what women want from: 1. Teenagers on TikTok 2. Other jaded men 3. Jaded women on Twitter and FDS Not really alot of these have a grain of truth to these , there was an article by a feminist …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:41 AM
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I don't think it's misogynistic, it's just simping , i am tired of everything that happens to indirectly not help women being labelled as misogynistic especially when they have no qualms benefiting from it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:18 AM
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That's bs most advice given to men by women sucks ass because they don't account for alot of variables
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:10 AM
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Men's lib suck because they address issues from a feminist lens which is inherent women benefitting , they don't acknowledge women terrible behaviour as well and they like to address issues based on how it benefits women not actually because they want to help men , that's why even they are starting to see the cracks, it's why they are also failing to address the issues that lead men to the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:03 AM
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Men's lib suck because they address issues from a feminist lens which is inherent women benefitting , they don't acknowledge women terrible behaviour as well and they like to address issues based on how it benefits women not actually because they want to help men , that's why even they are starting to see the cracks, it's why they are also failing to address the issues that lead men to the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:03 AM
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No a matriach is where women in general are in charge of the decision making , it doesn't mean men would not protect and provide it doesn't mean women would not do the cooking the cleaning and taking care of children they are just responsible for the final say and decision making , crime can still occur , men are still kill and steal, they have existed in Africa and there were still crimes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 09:28 AM
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I have no anti woman agenda you decided to use monarchy as an example even thou that's not what I said, you also didn't answer my question on what matriachy is you just proceed to insult me and claim I am making incoherent lies , if you believes oppressive gender roles can't exist in a matriachy then please answer the question what makes a matriachy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 09:05 AM
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What makes a matriachy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:07 AM
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What makes a matriachy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 06:30 AM
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exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:07 AM
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the issue is that being attractive to women hs nothing to do with being a good person, but we tell men that they should be a good above all which isnt true , some of the redpill advice also works and the shallow parts , specifically money status , looks and charisma are actually the most important things you need to increase attraction, nothing else in important
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:59 AM
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personally i will tell guys that your success with women doesnt mean you have a good character, the question is what is more important
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:56 AM
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thee issue is we associate the idea that a guy is successful with women to good behaviour, even in this thread there are several people doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:54 AM
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the nice guy trope is an example of this, as much as it is dishonest, if the idea was that being nice worked, if you were faking it it would work but it doesnt, the assumption is that dating, romantic and sexual success is associated with being a good person or even respecting women, this is not true in the slightest, take the things women claim to be looking for and examine and you will see why. ​ first they claim they want a nice charming guy who respects women who is also emotionally intellig…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:51 AM
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If you say so
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:44 AM
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White men are not most men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:27 AM
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So why are they fighting for things like abortion then, why use birth control with all the negative effects since the naturals worked so well, why are they asking for sick day period leaves since you know you can naturally remedy cramps you don't need pads or birth control or abortion , you were doing well without so why the fuss for abortion or birth court since you had natural ways
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:26 AM
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Nah most men worked for land
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:23 AM
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I never said that , I said they would still be restricted to some traditional roles and rules with out some of these things which is true , without things like birth control , it would be significantly harder to control when you get pregnant
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:22 AM
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I don't care , because we ar etalking about men overall
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:17 AM
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I never said men where the saviours I said life is significantly easier for women now because of tech and modern medicine which also adds to why men could work more and have more accomplishment because they had more time and less constraints biogically , most of the natural remedy were still dangerous, miscarriages could lead to death or other complications, society is better for all but more so specifically for women because these are things that are specifically helpful to them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:16 AM
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World war three?? You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you considered other cultures and countries besides those in “world war three World War 2 it was an error in letters , omen are responsible for even starting evolution by inventing cooking. If not for that we’d still be living in caves. Lol not really nos cooking is the act of making food that not something you can invent lol And medicine? Other cultures were using medicine and surgery long before “western civilizatio They were …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:58 AM
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Well not me because I am black man , black men didn't receive free stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:43 AM
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So you admit men took credit for inventions that was done by women not men and then still claim taking credit for most inventions still? Even literature that was really written by women was published under a male pseudonym Because some of these inventions were made in domains men were more likely to be in , and most of tech advancement got their foundation during world war 2,qw men did steal some invention but you can definitely prove that men are responsible for the majority of inventions , I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:42 AM
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exactly i am black . but for some odd reason i lack problems in society
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:30 PM
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I think we agree that young men today need and deserve help regardless of any privilege of the past. And I think we agree men worked very hard and most men suffered. And I think we agree that the men that worked hard deserve credit. I'm only saying it's unfair to imply that women didn't work hard or suffer and therefore it's ok that they didn't have rights. Women worked very hard too, and contributed in ways that they could and still didn't get certain rights, along with many other groups that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:27 PM
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i am aware alot of inventions women made were taken credit for , but most invention still go to men, as for the train lines didnt know that but it doesnt disprove my point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:12 PM
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And the contributions of these men are great and should be celebrated! That being said, women were simply not allowed to contribute to the world of science for a lot of history due to being barred from education solely because of the sex they were born with. Once they had access women started to contribute! Rosalind Franklin worked with xray crystallography and helped confirm the double helix of DNA in the 1940s, but died of cancer due to radiation exposure from her work. Were women given more r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:19 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:00 PM
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i am saying it was generally hard for everyone , it wa harder for women, but most of it was not simply based on oppression, other facts played a role
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:52 PM
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I said I don't think gender roles are as a result of patriahy because biology came before society
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:33 PM
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Do you think that's possible
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:24 PM
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No I jusy don't agree that the divorce is what is causing women to have less money unless the money they had was kept stable due to the marriage then okay
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:19 PM
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Stop trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:18 PM
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OK the west is the perfect examplenof what you want then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:15 PM
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They get more from being married than being single is thay yout point, again non custodial parent do not a divorce or marriage to be to non custodial
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:12 PM
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That's not true thou , the things they are complaining about the solutions they offer aren't the things most affeft men be ause apparently you claimed they did and disagree when I told you what is actually being done
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:11 PM
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I am sorry but I think you are confusing equality and equatibility So the west
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:10 PM
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You are absolutely right which is why we are in agreement that feminist do not address this things
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:01 PM
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But he isn't talking about white men , he is talking about all men in general Also When I say contributed, I mean in terms of society most technological and medical advancement, they were mostly as a result of research and sometimes sacrifices made by men that's why it's looks like it catered to them , even the knowlegde was gotten by research sometimes exploration even to the point to the point of serious danger done by men , most people who advance medicine had to use test subject even in term…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:50 PM
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Aside from equal rights and opportunities , they advocate for women issues like women scholarship, better birth control, more homeless shelter basically other social illness I rarely ever see them do this for men , the ones that do don't get that much support some even become anti feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:39 PM
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I do , your argument isn't just making the case This is what you have said so far , Women suffer because of a low income from kids My respones : OK but what does that have to do with divorce , you : they get less help from men for their kids , My response : if you weren't married then it would the case but worse because you get no settlement , You haven't shown me why the divorce for you compared to you having kids out of wedlock or even not marrying your partner You haven't shown me the financi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:37 PM
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I have never seen this done ever , maybe because the ones having it aren't the ones making the decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:32 PM
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Then then divorce is good for women , you now have less to take care of them especially if you are childless
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:31 PM
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Equitable world is not impossible although hard to achieve. No it is actually impossible because It would require everyone to be one the same place and work at the same pace it would also require them to give when they have more that's not happening Matriarchal culture might have their flaws but you and I, even our ancestors didn't live in them so it's irrelevant. No it's not because they make the claim that is specific to patriachy and that because men were solely in charge that's why we have p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:30 PM
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You are not getting what I am saying , if women weren't married and still had kids or a relationship they wouldn't be able to get nothing if they break up, the divorce gives them money , what exactly are they losing because its not like they are spending more after the divorce, is that the problem is that they don't have a partner or that financial burden is suddenly increased for them alone because they divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:27 PM
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The draft , fire service and land use , something women didn't have to sign up and why alot of women where against women voting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:24 PM
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They simply stated that divorced wives tend to make less z it doesn't show how the divorce causes this especially in a childless marriage and the wife is working, he isn't using her money , the lack or children isn't reducing her financial career
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:23 PM
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Women were oppressed by men. Were women asked if they wanted to birth so many kids? They weren't even given choice in the men they were to marry. Little boys were sent to school but little girls weren't, they were kept at home. Women were actively shamed and discouraged if they wanted to pursue men's interests. Women were treated as commodities that were given by their father to a man and a business arrangement was made. Marital rape was legal( it still is where I live). Women were/are abused by…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:18 PM
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The problem they are not talking about people not being empathetic to men or not taking their issues seriously which is what I am saying when they reference patriachy it is always about how men are not behaving in the way they think men should , i have never seen people blame the poor treatment of men on other only on men , the community thing is something feminist critic not support because it would exclude women , the toxic attitude to me seeking help is when people don't take men mental issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:48 PM
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But the hit is not from the divorce thay is my point , it's from child birth
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:43 PM
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So why are wr seeing as something that also negatively affect women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:42 PM
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The physical strength of men was/is more, women gave birth to children and several children so they were usually homebound. So women and men were equal in intelligence but they didn't have equal opportunities because of the society at that time. Now this doesn't mean women didn't do anything substantial in development of society, some even pretended to be men so that they were allowed to contribute in male dominated spheres. I never said they were but the way people phrase , make it seem like a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:42 PM
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You are just giving me reasons why divorce helps women , the op claims divorce is equally bad for men and women and claims it hits their income, but from the argument , its not the divorce its kids , so why are we claiming divorce is a net negative for women as well
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:37 PM
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If they were living together he wouldn't pay alimony unless they were married , again you are proving to me why divorce affects men more , it is a positive for women the way you describe it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:35 PM
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I agreed with classism and racism but for voting it came with a cost that women never bear when they got the right
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:27 PM
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It wasnt sexism because there was a cost to men voting , women voted without a cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:25 PM
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This can be done without marriage , marriage is the only thing that enables you to split income after a divorce , if women are doing these things without getting married and they get nothing after they split , why is divorce also seen as something that affects women as much as men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:24 PM
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Men didn't get the vote or education. I assume for the same reason, or for the reason I mentioned hours ago: the social system? Classism and racism
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:21 PM
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I think we can create better form of response for men mental health , create communities for men to come together and bond properly in schools and uni , this would greatly improve mental health , we should also address people toxic attitudes to men seeking help meaning people should respond better to men when they are in distress
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:20 PM
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Men were responsible for most technology advancement , medical advance and even education , the social norm were not built to help men , they were built to keep the society stable even if it was at the expense of themselves because we didn't have the info or tech or medicine we have know Also how were women prevented if they were just as equal
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:18 PM
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But they are small Group not up to 1% of men , why arum you using then as a basis for men's issues, you also don't know these people personally
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:14 PM
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Most men are stronger than women, how are the biologically weaker
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:11 PM
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Again, stop pissing around was it because of biology or social system Because that very thing proves be correct. Unless, like the fucking kingdom families you also believe that the bloodline (a.k fucking a. biology/god) gave them the power to rule. It started with biology but biology and environment can form social roles and constructs That, to me is because of social system. SO where and how the fuck does biology fit in? Because now it turn out not only women but also most men a biologically we…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:07 PM
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Women shouldn't, that's why child support is a thing but we aren't talking about CS we are talking about the idea that divorce takes more from a man than a women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:59 PM
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You see, as mentioned, we are living in a time it uncontrolled social media influence. The companies couldn't give a fuck as long as they are profiting. Who loses? We do. Male issues are not being ignored. Instead, men are being radicalised to believe that. That radicalisation instills fear, anxiety, depression, anger, you get the idea. Mr. Tate targets very young minds. He knows his flavour of poison won't work on anyone with a semblance of common sense. Did you know that boys are now the minor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:57 PM
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Talk about mental health and its met with the most aggressive pushback that I've seen on Reddit Because how people in general address male mental health sucks and I mean in general even the people that are against toxic masculinity, the idea that men don't seek help isn't true, mental has been in talk for almost 7 years and yet male suicide rate is increasing world wide , is the issue the victim or do the resources suck Men need help. But this men themselves need to be self aware enough to know …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:52 PM
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But you see, you are privileged compared to the young poor shoemaker in Bangladesh who can hardly feed himself let alone his family. By this logic everyone in the west is privileged then The bigger picture is not part of the mindset of the privileged who feel oppressed. To them, any oppression is met with victim mentality. They lose themselves to their feelings. This is when they are most vulnerable. It is at this point when they get radicalised. In this case, by online spheres. No it is because…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:47 PM
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Men require help in many ways. Unfortunately the red pill is not it. But it makes sense why they've all fallen for online manosphere communities. It makes total sense. Why do you think it is the case Bevause apparently you claimed he wasn't saying that men should suck it up , his post literally says men don't need help
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:42 PM
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Because men aren't privileged, privileged require that you were given something for free , men contributed heavily to society that's why it seems like it caters to them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:40 PM
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Summarise his point ,do men require help
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:37 PM
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That is pretty much what you are saying
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:32 PM
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I will humor you , Society has uplifted straight young men for centuries. In the past, every aspect of society was developed and constructed around comforting and supporting straight men at the neglect of women and sexual minorities. Society wasn't uplifting straight young men most of the time while neglecting women , gay people maybe and being trans wasn't a thing until the 90s , you couldn't even diagnose it as a thing , now uplifting would mean they didn't work or provide of anything of subst…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:30 PM
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They are , but we are talking about divorce which is my point z if you were not married and had kids , you would be in the same predicament z if you had kids and was a single mother you would be in the same predicament , I don't necessarily see this as a loss for women because it's more so about having kids than divorcing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:16 PM
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Yeah I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:13 PM
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OK good I just don't see this as a consequence of divorce per say this I shuts a consequence of having kids
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:11 PM
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This happens regardless of marriage thou
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:07 PM
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This is about working women thou
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:01 PM
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Voting, schooling. Or are you just going to ignore everything I write. And FYI, feminists asked for their rights way way way before 21 century Pre industrial age is what I meant but again most people did not have full access to this not just women , the idea that you chunk this up to a specifically woman problem is my issue , it wasnt Exactly, social, like what I'm saying. But now that we are against those practices, we ignore the fact that they used the same argument as you - that scientificall…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:50 PM
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Hence, you do not care what patriarchy means. Not my fucking problem. But, since I like you, fuck the word. Lets call it "social system" replace the word patriarchy - my stupid fault for using it - with "social system". Now what's your objection? My objection is that it's framed as a male thing it's not , because they have segregated our world through gender, and they used biology to justify it. Biology does justify it to an extent until the industrial age without the advent of birth control , p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:20 PM
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For fuck sake. If they do, then the matriachy is to blame. It really isn't this difficult That's not how this is framed , this is always framed as something unique to patriachy and men , that's how it's framed , it's not that it is difficult, you just don't know how this argument is used Did you read what op wrote? Fuck, they removed it. Basically they wrote men get brainwashed and dehumanised, It's not because of biology but because people (men / women / ufos) in power wanted to use and abuse m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:53 PM
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Most of these things can occur in any form of society even in a matriachy , and most of these are as a result of the fact that men are biologically stronger than women , this isn't sinply social conditioning, testosterone also has a part to play in this , Do you believe patriachy is a biological conclusion for humanity
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:38 PM
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Most of the things mentioned are not necessarily a consequence of this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:25 PM
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That's not what a patriarchy is
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 12:55 PM
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Bell hooks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 12:49 PM
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Talking to a woman isn't hard, it's talking to a woman with the intention of flirting that is hard , that's my main issue, then not every woman is a good person , some arr hard to talk to bevause they are I likeable and you aren't necessarily the problem
/r/seduction25/04/23 08:34 AM
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It has nothing to do with my beliefs, I asked you to cite the source that YOU are quoting P.s. learn to write You cannot use a study to based why people are attracted to others because a belief can be hidden from your partner Reread the first two points again if you still feel you can address them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:38 AM
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Good
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:46 PM
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What's your point thay these advice shouldn't be given, because clearly the left doesn't give any of this advice
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:44 PM
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Some are some aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:11 PM
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That I should be better physically fit , be careful around women in general , acquire finances because people judge you based on that, it's good for both how you view Yourself and how others view you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:02 PM
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The way people phrase these complain are wrong , the question isn't why aren't men getting help , the question is , are men getting help when they ask for it and are they receiving that help when they ask , usually the answer is no
/r/MalePsychology24/04/23 12:54 PM
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When they usually recommend people they assume as long as the person isn't misogynistic the advice is good that's not a good metric because whether or not you are misogynistic is irrelevant to attracting women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:51 PM
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Who is this, is he being marketed well by the left and was he giving good advice
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:34 PM
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If that's the case then prob most people here even on this sub prob shoe respect to women then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:09 PM
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How do women show respect to men most of the time and who do they show respect to most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:22 AM
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The Redpill gets a lot of things right , it also has different people in it, their is also a fact that yes women can be dangerous, the main thing that people hate about the redpill is that it critics women and alot of times rightfully so and then it shows examples one of the thing redpillers get right is that they actively invite women into their podcast and discuss with them , they don't restrict them and alot of those women express terrible behavior and red flags , they also give some good adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:21 AM
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I agree it's not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 09:13 AM
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Assuming they did why do you believe they shouldn't go towards being attractive to wome
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 08:57 AM
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No you said they confuse women having sex with someone for respect
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 08:25 AM
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I think you can be someone who sleeps around and be also well respected and valued
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 08:22 AM
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Like men in general do you care if men in your work place respect you as long as they leave you alone do you care
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:53 AM
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So they aren't actually wrong if the basis is thay women screw guys they respect
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:47 AM
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Do you care if men respect you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:45 AM
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i dont think most dudes that sub post or even comment
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:55 PM
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the point of the redpill discussion is mostly dating based, they talk about other things like , getting your credit score up anf fitness, every other thing is personal whether they have other interest inst something they would make public or you would know , most creator of any kind dont make their interest public, i have never seen a feminist youtube discuss any other thing outside feminism , this is like asking LGBTQ activist if thats all they do of course not, you dont know their personal liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:53 PM
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This is the same as how so many guys don't understand feminism and have instead been told that "feminism bad" and then they go off spouting about it. When in fact there's coherent feminism, which fights for the rights of all men and women, while there's radical feminism, which is a small minority that shout the loudest, and ruined the movement for everyone. But no one cares or knows this. The problem is I can give instance when feminism has been misused to shit on men that's why it's not simply …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 10:02 AM
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I have but the stats don't agree with you, you can't use forum as a basis of for alt right , take FDS it's simply a toxic sib but I could link it to an alt right group I just need to find one link
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:45 AM
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Again you keep going back to white and white supremacy incels are racially diverse , and they don't specifically have a culture , there are alot of black manosphere creators I would argue more than white ones , far right groups have existed for years, it is not hard find ways to link them but it doesn't mean the Information is accurate, if incel was a white supremacist group we would not have them linking with Islam or black people they also have Asian incels you are , Take the manosphere I coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:09 AM
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Do you practice personal hygiene and grooming habits? (do you have the exact same haircut from when you were 5 years old?) Are you KIND/empathetic? Do you detest the gender you are trying to pursue? Is that hatred/annoyance obvious? First of all , I do practice hygiene and good grooming, I try to be kind and empathetic, I don't detest women Aside from the first question the rest have nothing to do with attracting women but for some odd reason most of you are too blind to see it A) Example: Is an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:55 AM
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Incel is not an ideology some of them simply killed because thay had issues dating that's not an ideolog , irs the same as a guy who got rejected and murders someone , the difference is this is not necessarily a crime done hy incels
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:00 AM
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but incels arent actually linked with islam ,or even the far right , i am saying they arent a real threat because statistically spaking , they are racially diversed , and even politically diverse, and redpill isnt actually associated with any shooting
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:49 PM
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most of them just were just link by the fact that they are incels, half of them didnt even have a manisfesto , and some of them just added their struggles with women , now comparing that to the larger population of incels in general there are extremely small minority , i dont actually need a manifesto to link this , most domestic assault or serial killers dont have manifesto why are they linked as an overarching theme of violence agaisnt women even thou we know majority of victims of all crimes …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:43 PM
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ok a woman is more likely to be killed by the things i mention, are you in disagreement
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:38 PM
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my issue is some of these things arent neccasarilly linked , some might overlapped, but they arent actually link , they also dont disprove what i said, most harm done to women isnt done by incels, and the basis is odd, its simply , violent actions done to women arent neccessarily linked to a single cause , i can use that to create a connection in anything
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:33 PM
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nah posting thirst traps is boundary , its not something specifically born out of insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:53 PM
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i am tired of shitty women behaviour's is being characterised as patriarchy and internalised misogyny just accept that she is shitty and thats because she is a terrible rather than address the behaviour of the person, you use this as an opportunity to preach feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:52 PM
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the things that lead to femicide are as follows, sharia law, domestic violence, serial killers and serial rapists, none of these people are politically motivated or even incels, you as a woman is more likely to be killed by a familiar person than a stranger , there was a trans shooter , might as welll link them to anti straight sentiment
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:35 PM
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Incel means involuntarily celibate so does redpill and it is racially diverse so how forms into a pipeline for far right talking points and white supremacy is so stupid, also incels ironically are the least threat to women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:59 PM
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people need to be appreciated to take pride in something, men arent as appreciated anymore, so they dont see the need to work for something greater than themselves , and honestly i dont blame them nor do i see the issue , because honestly they dont have to and they dont actually owe the society that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:14 PM
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Maybe but they are more leftwing than right wing , so why do they care
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 12:41 AM
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OK will do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:53 PM
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I read op , he claims men aren't physically , emotionally and economically viable , I disagree because his standards for this don't make sense , if men are doing enough just to help themselves what is the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:52 PM
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You never actually said that , you said men should treat women like humans , as a man being emotional intelligence doesn't require you to be good to women , because its a neutral thing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:51 PM
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Again deflection , you can't engage so you deflect to irrelevant things
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:52 PM
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That's fair , I don't see why this is such a big deal , genes passing on isn't important
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:50 PM
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You are the one who brought up men dehumanising women and you claim women don't and then you said my xample that women use men food isn't a good enough example so I brought this up , you are deflecting. You brought up dehumanisation of women on a post about men the very thing you accuse me of doing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:49 PM
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Improving any of these things have nothing to do with any solution you gave
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:47 PM
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Let me guess, young women will become construction workers, truck drivers, linemen, oil rig workers, fishermen, garbage collectors, factory workers etc? Imagine a world without those professions. Do you have any idea how many men contribute to your current standards of living, and how they will drop once those men decide to walk away? Honestly I am fine with this , let them have it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:11 PM
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I mention working hard not in the sense of like, get a job, but I mean on themselves, their values, their goals, and their virtues. Not just sitting around coping and enjoying the decline basically. Then why is this post relevant, I can be a neet and my values , goals and virtues are intact not just the ones you think are worth while Treating women correctly wasn't the point either, it was that you need to do these things for yourselves, not to get women. True but you brought up women not me As …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:06 PM
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Men hate simps, women hate pick me , men love pick messages, women love simps
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:14 PM
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OK so you don't like doing things for your partners
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:08 PM
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Exactly I don't get this critic, if men are simply working less so what
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:45 AM
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It's not , men are the ones saying its not women are somehow claiming being a good person equals attraction, men bing good to women doesn't mean women will date them it has nothing to do with that so why do we tell them it does
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:39 AM
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You claim men need to see women as human and everything would be solve . I disagree because there are men who already do that and still have this issue , reality doesn't track. you also claimed women see men as human I mentioned how they don't and you say I am being defensive. according to you since you claim it has nothing to with being physicallty fit or having money, this post sucks then because men being better to you means they should treat you better so money is irrelevant, their physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:33 AM
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If that's the case men working less and not being as rich as women and not being slim isn't a problem they simply need to be good to women , this thread is pointless then what are we complaining about
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:24 AM
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Sure. In manosphere fantasy land where consequences don't matter and men are never at fault. This isn't ra manospher fantasy you just don't take male domestic assault seriously , I am not surprised you are a feminist https://www.ncdv.org.uk/domestic-abuse-statistics-uk/ So does the YouTuber I mentioned. So does marital counseling. Or therapy. But nooooo. Those don't pat men on the back and soothe them by repeating "woman bad" in their ear. Not every redpiller and its not only redpillers does thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:16 AM
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OK, there are women who rape men , rape as In being made to penetrate because that's not really counted on the rape stats they usually count only penetrative rape z add that to the fact that most male rape from women go unreported or not taken seriously z they don't take female pedophiles seriously to the point that they even charge their victims child support and no women or feminists i lnow have addressed to , the journalists dont even call it rape , who falsely accused men ,who physically att…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:01 AM
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So let me get this straight , the issue highlighted here are that there are physically viable , economically and emotionally viable men, so ecomincally meaning money according to you doesn't matter , nor does physically because I assume it is about the fact that men are becoming overweight and fat , and for the emotional aspect , that they don't treat women well, we have established that what women are attracted to has nothing to do with emotional availability because you have to be in the relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:57 AM
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And you can't do it by treating women as a trophy. You can't do it by demanding children or virgins or anything like that. You have to do it because being a slug and a parasite or dead weight on a ship that is sinking is fucking pathetic. It's proving that your father was right to abandon you. You have to do it because there's honor, nobility, and dignity in doing the right thing, the right way, for the right reasons even if it doesn't end with some shiny trophy wet pussy that obeys your every s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:47 AM
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She tried to deflect by claiming do men want a cookie for advocating for women right even thou the original commenter literally said that being single is caused by not treating women right or seeing them as human , they like to do this thing were they say being good Is he bare minimum even thou we have seen the most shitty people get women , meaning morality doesn't matter , treating women good has nothing to do with attracting women ,that's why it's bad advice to use but when you point it out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:40 AM
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Exactly they have never any effort to anything about this , this issue have been there since 2016 , 2018 and yet no one gave a shit until tate show up, why do they suddenly care now
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:22 AM
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There's no way for women to fix this alone. Most women I converse with out in the dating world have reached the conclusion that there quite literally are not enough suitable, single men available as partners. Drug/alcohol abuse, narcissism, domestic violence, 'manosphere' behavior, etc are rampant among men and don't just make dating the guy 'unattractive' but actually dangerous and damaging to date. No one is asking for women to fix this or fix this alone ,also women didn't shit about this , wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:19 AM
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Women have no choice but to treat men as people. We just sometimes treat you as potentially harmful people and we're not gonna stop doing tha This BS thou there are several ways women dehumanise men , there are literally women who go on dates just to get food from a guy, they are women simply see a dude looking at them as a creep , there are several ways women dehumanise men Please reread the entire part where I said men don't listen to women anyways. We're not going to collectively suck your di…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:04 AM
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You think redpuil don't challenge men , they tell them to get fit , make money , and try to be as successful and get status how is that not challenges, there is also the fact that the judgement of women isn't a good basis of character for men anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:02 AM
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If that's the case why is CNN bringing this up, no one is asking anyone to care but why are they , they didn't care before this has been going on for years why is this an issue now , because I have started to see women complain about this as well and it doesn't make sense , this is what they wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:54 AM
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Fair enough but why is everyone now complaining about men not working enough because even women are complain if this is the rise of women , I see no reason why they are complaining when they are getting what they wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:50 AM
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This isn't necessarily a bad thing , I don't see this as a problem unless men are unhappy about it , if they aren't then what is the issue or do you just care that they aren't working hard enough to boost their economy, why should they, for society , screw society, if men are okay and want to work less then there is not reason why they should work more
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:44 AM
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And this also means unironically working less
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:42 AM
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They are participating though, people just want them to work harder for the economy not themselves , men don't need much to live on, if they are working less , it shouldn't be a problem, they want them to work more to boost their economy not because they care about men ,if they really cared about men it shouldn't matter if they work less as long as they are content and happy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:42 AM
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He can work to support himself but he doesn't need to work as hard ad you think he should that's what people are having issues with , people don't actually want men to work for themselves , if that was the case it shouldn't matter whether they worked less as long as they are good , they want men to work to contribute to society, the issue is no one actually does this , there is always an I group reward , If women didn't get abortion or menstrual leaves they would be working less or even paid mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:37 AM
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I have agreed with her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:28 PM
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U4s not an accusation jif they don't tell you then
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:02 PM
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The patriachy is real ,not currently, the way its phrase as malicious or tyrannical and that uts responsible for all things bad and that it's also responsible for gender roles is false
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:58 PM
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Well not you just the children , you aren't doing anything
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:57 PM
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OK 4 times max , again you don't have to but your comparison is simply off
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:54 PM
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The difference between that and this , is that this is a one time test that is actually between me and the child not even you , it also doesn't disprove the idea that you cheated , or lack stds , you however are simply surveying your husband all the times that's why this is seperate getting one test for as the confirmation that a child is your is not equivalent to your partner didn't cheat because you can cheat and have my child
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:51 PM
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I have issues with their framing of the patriachy it is said that patriarchy is a hierachal structure that puts men above women and privileging men and diminishing women by the use of gender roles which is then reinforced by biological differences and social coercion , My first issue is with this is based on the idea that gender are mainly patriarchal or social and not an extension of biology or a response to the environment , we know this isn't true for some reasons First off if it's biological…
/r/MensRights18/04/23 03:48 PM
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I think either way ita reasonable and you only feel Insulted because the truth is , if this shit happens you would say they should have gotten it , people would not condemn the mother strongly , if the father leaves or sues , he is still condemned I don't know unless there is a suitable punishment for this then the sentiment of mandatory test will remain and maybe increase
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:12 PM
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Fair enough I just don't think this is far off
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:07 PM
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What if he tells you not to worry and he has a contingency plan will you believe him
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:54 PM
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I don't know go to work, go shopping , get back home make food do some laundry , eat watch TV and sleep
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:17 PM
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You asked how this person's life is , what am I supposed to do insult her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:14 PM
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I don't know nor do I care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:12 PM
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Then you don't trust him to always be okay and have a plan
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:46 PM
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I don't know , I don't know what old women are supposed to do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:45 PM
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It's fine , as long as she is happy who am I to judge
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:36 PM
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Do the test and don't tell your wife that's simple , she doesn't have to know because it's not about her, burn the evidence its paper it doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:15 PM
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I agree with this , I would actually do this because I would like to know that I am healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:13 PM
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I am sorry but fuck that , if a dude wants to leave when he finds out the kid isns this even when the child is 14 I don't give a shit , the only person to blame is the mother , you don't get to do something to someone and then complain about their reaction , if the mother cared she wouldn't have let's this happen , there us also the fact that fighting for custody of a kid that isn't your is very very very hard , and almost Impossible I personally am good regardless of the decision of the father
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:10 PM
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I am not saying we shouldnt take responsibility, I I saying g it's actually not easy , I could say the same for women , why not just talk to guys why use signals
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 11:22 AM
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Women initiate all the time, just not in the "hey hot stuff wanna get out of here" way that most men would want them to. But they will make eye contact, smile, hover around you, ask you something innocuous, dance in your line of sight, etc. Women are constantly sending signals to men out there. This isn't approaching , this is signalling and even then they suck at it because apparently alot of men don't notice and then rather than just going in and saying hello and making their intentions clear …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 11:02 AM
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No we can only be friends and even that is a big if
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 10:32 AM
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Let me ask you something? Does it take work to call your friends? How much planning goes into organizing a happy hour with them? How laborious is spending few hours in their company? How scary it is to talk to them about all manner of things? Yes everything you said here take stress I don't understand why men make talking to and dating women into such a huge deal as if they are scaling Mount Everest or dismantling a bomb. If this is so easy why don't women initiate more then since there is actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 09:25 AM
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Its wrong so why do people only care when it's done to women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 07:12 AM
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But you trust your partner why can't you trust them to take care of you , or do you not trust your partner, are they just anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:33 AM
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I know I don't care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:28 AM
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How is this men controlling women thou , since you trust the man right , since everything is about trust, why can't you trust your partner to take care of you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:27 AM
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Not a problem , there are people who already believe this and very few women call them out on this so
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:26 AM
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OK big 50 divorce rate already exists , 70% initiated by women , this isn't that high in the realm of a possibility
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:20 AM
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In what world would women never be capable of lying or cheating, while men can do so? Of fucking course women have been shown to do this. OK women already don't simply trust men , even their partners Men have been shown to do some pretty awful things, should I accuse you of a few? People already do this what's your point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:16 AM
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The last part isn’t directed at you. The Red Pill is just getting dumber, more misogynistic, and more nihilistic by the day. First of all this isnt redpill , 2nd of all pondering this question is not Dumb or misogynistic, because it can happen and every single time it happens the mam is always held responsible , the women doesn't get any social responsibility or even legal responsibility and everytime he fights back everyone shits on him , women won't care about it because they have nothing to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:11 AM
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I agree he should do the test and break up with you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:03 AM
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People already assume this what's your point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:02 AM
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Yeah we will just take your word for it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:02 AM
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This is dumb , there are several women who have been trusted and we still found out they were cheating and even worse fraud in the person , you can't use trust as basis , also if that's the case why are not encouraging women to be SAHMs since its simply trust , we shouldnt have women be working and make their own money so they won't be dependent , no They should simply trust their man to take care of them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 06:01 AM
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What makes you think they don't already have it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:54 AM
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It should still be done thou
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:52 AM
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Literally every test you do requires your dna , if they wanted to test it what makes you think you wouldn't already have it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:50 AM
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exactly , andrew tate hasnt been here for more than a year, and for some odd reason every single person is panic even thou this issues with men having issues has been a things since before 2020, tate is not the problem, and adin is terrible example because i could point to kevin samuels , he had the redpill , he had community and he had relationships as well, or even guys like hamza, hamza is redpill and bro is balling
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:13 PM
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adin ross is not the only redpiller, i am not even sure he is redpilll and he is still successful, the guys in whatever podcasts are successful, fresh and fit are mildly successful, your point is null when you consider the fact that regardless of whether they join the redpill or not , most dudes are still lonely and depressed, specifically young dudes, and its not the redpill causing that because it was happening before, there is literally a large amount of anti redpill and anti incel content th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:11 PM
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OH THEN NO
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:44 PM
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If its based on attractiveness or looks then yeah personality wise no
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 04:39 PM
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Correct answer how it is a general question
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:54 PM
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Worst how based on looks or personality
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:53 PM
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Its not easy either way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:06 AM
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I am speaking in generalities , while you are appealing to the individual that's the issue , I am saying why some people accept redpill content is because some of it works , if you want to solve it generally then tell people to encourage good behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:38 PM
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I agree with you but you seem to not understand what I am saying , if bad people can keep getting women , women will keep getting hurt , now you can say we should call it out but when we do we are told we are wrong and judging them unnecessarily or even called incels , good men are blamed for the actions of bad , and are still meant to find a solutions and the people you are claiming they should help don't even care about the people you believe should be principled
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:53 PM
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OK.what would you suggest then
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 07:05 PM
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It doesn’t guarantee a date, you will certainly be rejected for doing things that someone else doesn’t. But a man - a person - who lives for themselves is 1000% more attractive than someone who clearly has no compass other than external sexual validation. Yeah I have seen bums with more body counts than some well put together men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:35 AM
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It might not , the issue is that they don't acknowledge that it actually works
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:27 AM
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sorry this happen to you, hope i didnt sound insensitive , i used this as an example because i have also been victim of said scenerio but i have never actually said this to them, but anything they use this argument , i remember that i have experiences that matches theirs but with women , but according to them that justifies misandry but not misogyny
/r/MensRights16/04/23 07:25 AM
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True but then don't use the bases of I love you that's why I want you to wait say you are conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:09 AM
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I would simply state that I was sexually assaulted as a child by a woman therefore by their logic, I am allowed to hate women, because I have never been sexualy assaulted by a man
/r/MensRights14/04/23 03:40 PM
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Some girls are crazy and you can't tell which is which , some can also steal from you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 03:21 PM
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It's not girls can both rape you and falsely accuse you when you are passed out
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 03:01 PM
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Thyd don't see sex as dirty and degrading , but a lot of people in general are turned off by promiscuity, and high body count but women are more okay with it because if a guy can get a lot of women , it's kind seems ge is is capable , the same can't be said because it's not hard to attract a man , you see this as men having a complex rather than promiscuity can be a sign of other problems when it comes to women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 02:35 PM
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True , I just disagree that the removal of misogyny will remove misandry
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 02:25 PM
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They don't want patriarchy but they certainly want matriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 02:13 PM
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Simple men value relationship more than sex , it's not something they do easily it's why men do not simply open up to people
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:49 PM
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There weapon would simply be previous instance of misogyny, your idea is that by simply removing misogyny it means misandry will stop ,most of the reason why people shit on men now is the patriachy theory which is an historical theory and doesn't actually apply to the west now , women now have jobs they can now own land and do everything a man can do even in places like the UK women are thriving and they also have abortion and yet misandry has sky rocketed male crime is reducing and female crime…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:19 PM
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Misogyny was not the first to exist , there is actually no proof of this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:16 PM
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I disagree they are independent of each other ,
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:14 PM
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not really i can have women i want to fuck , whether she is very promicious or not is irrelevant , and even at that i am still sexually attracted to the person i am dating, MW implies i wouldnt be secually attracted to them but that i would love them, i would absolutelty be sexually attracted to but i would also date them , those standards are different because sex and commitment are different for men, sex is something i would want regardless of whether i am dating someone, because it doesnt tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:40 PM
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Thats not even true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:32 PM
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if they want to be seen as relationship material then they should market themselves as that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:29 PM
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its not really a madonna whore complex, men simply have seperate standards, not all but most, the problem you comflate sexual desire to wanting a relationship, just because a guy wants to fuck you doesnt mean he wants to date you, he might also have different standards sexually for the person he dates than those he fucks, you also see wanting a relationship as respect, that doesnt make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:27 PM
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there is nothing in it for men and women , so women dont have to , but they should have no issues with men not fulfilling traditional roles they dont have to and its not worth , but women overall should be okay with men splitting the bill, they should also be okay with the idea that they would make more money than their husband, they should be okay dating short and fat guys overall, they shouldnt have an issue with men simply wanting sex, and not waiting till marriage or a full commitment and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:22 PM
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Exactly these people don't know how to communicate to men , so it's not much that men don't seek help but maybe they don't know how to seek help and people either don't know how to relate to men or put in the effort to understand them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 03:22 PM
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If most men seek help , it's not because they aren't seeking help but because the help is not sufficient enough to address their issues
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 03:04 PM
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I can give you several points on why i think he is wrong if you would like
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 02:42 PM
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I find issue with this because apparently men do seek help https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/ncish/reports/suicide-by-middle-aged-men/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 11:43 AM
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I don't understand
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:41 AM
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This morning I came across a comment in Reddit thread, basically saying that "women who have sex on first date are not relationship material" Also, that guy had literally slept with most of his first dates. So by that standard even he is not a ideal relationship partner. His hypocrisy is baffling to me. Not really this isn't actually hypocrisy , he is not saying he is relationship material , if women don't want to date them that's fine by them , but he has his own standards , also sleeping with …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:36 AM
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Once she gets bored for too long and too frequently, it's basically over and she will find some other clown to keep her entertained. Part of the problem is that society conditions women to see themselves as special, and mothers also condition their sons to see women as special, and so want to be treated as if they're special, which includes entertaining them, always making the first move, doing things for them to make their lives easier and so on. Then she should leave , she is not worth it , I …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:21 AM
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Despite their mass swipe they still get little matches imagine they picked like women , no one would get any match
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 07:49 AM
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Some times yes sometimes no but hats based on numbers games because women are picky regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 07:48 AM
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Sorry I have check they do ,so does left wing male advocates
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:56 AM
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I don't consider redpillers MRAs , I just don't see the mra sub reddit specifically as activism
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:54 AM
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dudes all got zapped out of existence and every woman reproduced through some kind of science lesbian shit... I don't think that would happen crime would also not decrease , apparently female criminality is rising and getting worse , male criminality is reducing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:28 AM
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Most men are in their kids lives
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:16 AM
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never ever once said my experience speaks for all of them. The way you’re dialoging, I’m simply matching your same energy. You very clearly feel women are bad, and men are good victims. I never said women are bad or men are good , I said the average man doesn't recieve alot of female attention especially from attractive women that's why they get shocked when it happens , women don't often approach men , I don't think it's bad but I am not going agree that it's easy for an average man to get atte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:50 AM
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You can report it but it doesn't mean anyone will and should believe by proxy of reporting
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:37 AM
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Dont be snarky , There are over 30 million men in America alone much less the entire world and you think your experience speaks for all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:33 AM
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Sorry but alot of normal guys dont see this often, why you do think men are actually surprised, did you actually believe it was common
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:25 AM
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You are aware that single mothers are also the primary bread winners and they also account in this case l
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:21 AM
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Yeah I will just take your workd for that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:52 AM
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>There is a ton of research on men's mental health issues. I'm advocating for a solution that is opposed by quite a few MRAs (feminists on the other hand are overwhelmingly in favor of single payer healthcare). i am not opposed to health care, i dont think alot of MRAs are opposed to health care , but i disagree that there is a ton of research on male mental health, because i dont actually see the results or solutions given >Even when accounting for hours worked, education, experience, and posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:32 PM
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>I literally listed it in my original post, men's mental health. they have been people who have advocated for better research on solutions to men mental health issues but it gets stonedwalled, even when its done by feminists >You did, but since one of the biggest causes of homelessness is mental health issues, I'd suggest addressing that one again. the biggest source of homelessness isnt mental health issues, its poverty, you dont even know what you are talking about >Those are both things that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:50 PM
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>Feminists are not preventing issues from being talked about or addressed. aside from toxic masculinity which is honestly more of a critic of male behavoiur than an issue solved with action, what issue would you consider that men have that is valid, since you dont see any of the things i have listed as valid >I directly addressed paternity fraud. It's a non-issue that MRAs want to scream about rather than actually dealing with real men's issues. it is an issue because it does happen and it affec…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:03 PM
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I have not seen that much advocacy of coloured men by feminist, i have seen the abolition of abuse for incarceration of women, and they acknowledge for colour but i haven't seen them actually advocate for these things , plus i dont actually see the result , black men are the most observed for terrible behaviour in schools as of now and i rarely hear this as a discussion point from feminist, only racial activist, some might overlap but they are representing race minority groups not men , but asid…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:56 PM
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calling out double standards doesnt equal chastising women , people in general do not take male abuse seriously, and this has been addressed, how many people have talked about male domestic violence or people bullying men , or male rape people have shown concern about the boys abused , but rather than focus on punishment for the perps, which men have agreed that they should increase more jail time , do you know what feminist say that men should take male rape more seriously, they will not advoca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:49 PM
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they are correct , success with women doesnt say anything about a persons personality or moral, being attractive to women isnt a good indicator of morality
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:29 PM
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feminist men donate to causes of feminism, they also engage in activism and protest with women, they also help in non profit organisation, they call out poor behaviour, some support women in cases of domestic violence and sexual assault, a lot of affirmative action is supported by men , a lot of charity is also given, there are more pro choice men than pro life women , i dont get this idea that the labour they are asking for is reciprocal but what has feminsim done for men, they have mainly crit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:28 PM
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are you saying men dont contribute to feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:20 PM
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mras, have no issues having women within their movement, they have no issues with effeminate men, or men who chose to stay at home, they dont specifically prescribe the traditional relationships or non traditional relationship, the highest they dont do is address LGBTQ issues but they arent anti LGBTQ, BY THE WAY i said MRA not redpill note please
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:12 PM
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I think MRA do that when it comes to men specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:43 PM
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Feminists are not "the one thing stonewalling" men's issues. Once again, if your goal in supporting men's issues is to attack women and feminists, then you don't actually support men's issues. My goal is not to attack women and feminist but if people are prevented from addressing any issues or even talking about them beyond criticing men because of feminists then feminism will be attacked and criticed as a result which tends to happen often , if feminist don't want people opposing them when addr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:42 PM
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I think this is definitely an issue in men’s organizing, they’re isn’t a movement towards curious and trusting dialogue, nor a want to understand other worldviews. This
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:10 PM
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I don't understand please elaborate further
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 04:55 PM
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The problem is this isn't fruitful criticism you can tell the difference between fruitful criticism and someone wanting you to do things their ways , in this case the latter is being pushed
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 04:43 PM
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Did you actually believe you are going to enact social change with no resistance? Do you think women just waited for all men to be on board before pushing for what they wanted? I don't believe that I just fail to see how you believe they aren't putting effort but not go against the one thing that is stonewalling because mind you feminist had to critic men the same and they still do so who who actually waiting , who is the problem here , the men or mras that also critic feminism in the process of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 04:10 PM
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You asked me why they throw it in feminist face its because feminist come to the faces of mras any time they want to make a movement now I ask you why do feminist care about what mras do why are they always attacking the mras, because mind you if feminist weren't stonewalling anyone who discusses men issue no one in the mra would be talking about them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:56 PM
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Again you are talking like they haven't tried, oh my god , there aren't that many MRAs , there are even very few prominent MRA speakers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:48 PM
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Men and mras are not the same thing there are male feminist if they care about men they too should spend money on male issues just like they do on feminist issues , men don't care but the mras do
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:41 PM
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Contrary to popular belief I am against but u am also anti sex work by that metric , the problem is most of the people who complain about beauty standards and oversexualisation are not anti sex work or anti porn that's the difference between me and them I am consistent , you however are not that's my issue most of the current issues with sexualisation and beauty and things caused by women even hook up culture is caused by women because men aren't the ones telling them to go into sex work or slee…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:34 PM
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Alot of them do focus on men issues , the problem is the solution always received backlash because it might negatively affect women , take child support issue we could simply find ways to make it case by case but feminist have argues it is fair , to prevent paternity fraud support full on DNA testing which was pushed for but again feminist push against it claiming it causes distrust in women , if we address things like divorce laws the same thing will occur , if they address affirmative action f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:17 PM
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You haven't actually provided any argument here, you've just said words denying that reasons for disliking it exists. It is very clear that people critique it based on its incentivisation of self-objectification, exploitative revenue models, reinforcement (on a societal level) of negative perceptions of women, etc. You seem to be fully aware of the reasons that people dislike it, just unable to comprehend that someone could dislike something while simultaneously believing it benefits some member…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:11 PM
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Why are you reposting this , how are they doing this , are they asking feminist to help or do their idea clash with feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:34 PM
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Then , men shouldn't feel bad or take women ir feminists criticisms of them seriously because according to you as long as I do something about it even if its something they don't like, I don't have to care, I agree whole heartedly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:31 PM
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Then they should stop making diagnostics and claiming the solutions others are giving are wrong, they should also stop stonewalling people who care and who want to help
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:27 PM
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I think both men and women, I also think they shouldn't stone wall people trying to advocate for male issues
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:20 PM
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Not really if you actually search about MRA You would understand what I am talking about , I am guessing you are one of those people who would consider red pillers mras
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:33 PM
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MRA, mens right activists, MRA isn't an ideology, nor is it guided by one ,it is strictly action based
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:22 PM
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Source ,: note men tend to overstate to their sexual experience
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:12 PM
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So no, women are happy that there are less of these men bothering them in person, and that their money is going to women. That doesn't mean they have to be supportive of the industry overall or in every sense, or that they can't recognise that it is a platform of objectification (voluntary or not); women are perfectly capable of thinking that an industry has massive benefits and downsides, so I'm not sure why you seem to consider their capacity for nuance "strange". I see no reason why they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:59 AM
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If a woman wants emotional attention from a man or sex, she can easily get it. So there’s zero reason for women to lower their standards. Literally zero. Attention from a man is easier to obtain than dirt. If attention was so easier to get , then staying is completely their choice if you believe the power is so great then why are you complaining about men being exploited when you could simply be mad that other women are exploiting it Why would I (as the hypothetical average wife) choose to be a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:49 AM
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So why write stupid articles like this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:42 AM
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They main discuss random stuff , they aren't activists
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:30 AM
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It can be done but that would receive heavy backlash from women , they would do what feminism does for women, put women first even if it is at the expense of men which I would agree, current MRAs have tried but they have been stonedwalled , there aren't many MRAs and some have tried to talk to government raise petitions , even protest but people in general don't come , then they have also been stoned walled by feminists and this was before they became " misogynistic" I don't think most mras are …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:28 AM
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It would take the current set of men’s movements being completely disbanded - and with that the understanding that patriarchy and toxic masculinity are two of the leading causes of men’s issues. Patriachy and toxic masculinity is not the leading cause of male issue currently , because men are seeking help , they are still failing in school and in a time where mental health research is at its peak and people are encouraged, male suicide rate has sky rocketed so there us actually little proof that…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:13 AM
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No they tried , alot of them have been stoned walled plus they need funding which they don't get because people don't donate to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:02 AM
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There's a very vocal contingent of men's rights advocates who have no interest in actually pursuing men's issues unless they can throw it in women's (and specifically feminists') faces, so that's a problem to be rooted out to start. This applies to feminism and yet they aren't called out for it, but for the sake arguments let's say it wasnt the case then would they still receive feminist support , I would argue no Finally, you need to actually address toxic masculinity. There's a huge overlap am…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:56 AM
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it’s not that men are the issue, it’s that the system is the issue, men are just unable to engage with the idea of getting rid of the system. I disagree they are okay with doing that , its just how that you disagree with , if a mens movement forms it would clash with feminism because it would male benefit orientated and would actively do thing for men even at the expense of women , and I mean in cases where laws aren't broken or rights aren't violated , women would still disagree because they wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:49 AM
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That's not true they haven't actively been misogynistic they simply focus on benefitting men regardless of women that isn't misogynistic because thats how feminism operates , uts ready to sacrifice men for the development of women and there is proof of that , there is also the fact that not all mens groups or spaces are misogynistic but framed as thar by feminist which will then turn them misogynistic, hays usually how it goes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:46 AM
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I disagree a subreddit isn't a good basis to establish the mra
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:39 AM
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That's fine bt not liking the person personality doesn't mean the person personality is bad which always seems to be the go to when women claim they don't like the person's personality
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:55 AM
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You specifically describe mental issue not a medical issue that make one feel down, that is completely different from what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:36 PM
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As far as splitting the bill.. some of us that have actual careers would love to split the bill, but the guy usually refuses. This is not an endorsement that men don't like successful women Yes men date down and it sucks for those who actually have self respect and are willing to pick up the slack. Women who aren't as successful economic wise don't lack self respect It seems men want needy yet complain about needy. So we have to dumb ourselves down and pretend to be in distress in order to not i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:35 PM
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What was the issue he was having and what was the help he got
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:21 PM
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That's just asshole behaviour though not all men do that , also how do you know the help works
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:10 PM
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I have frequently noticed the common reason men here give to not sharing their feelings: “Women dont respect men who show weakness.” “It makes pussies dry to be vulnerable with women.” “Women will use your vulnerability to hurt.” You assume women who don't respect their partner feeling always portray themselves as this , one of the prominent thing I have seen is that lot of dudes who had this issues were encouraged to open up by their signicant other, their girlfriends were not bitchy now I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:44 PM
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I never said it was ,but you claimed men mental health is working and all I need to do is put in them work even thou according to you toxic masculinity is not seeking help from anyone and doing exactly what you just said save yourself pick one then
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:15 PM
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Nah I am more of the petite slim kind of guy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:11 PM
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Everyone knows men approach significantly more than women, and women sometimes don't even approach men they like
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:07 PM
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Of course I have, but this doesn’t mean there’s toxic femininity, it means they were arseholes Oh really I can do that too every aspects of toxic masculinity isn't actually someone being toxically masculine , they are just assholes and you are reading too much into it Nobody is entitled to anything, feminism doesn’t make women feel entitled to a man, feminism simply wants women to have the same rights and freedoms as men and be treated equally Never said feminism does , I said there are women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:06 PM
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The reason toxic femininity exists is because of misogyny. Men objectify women and have oppressed them therefore women have such low self esteem that they feel the need to objectify themselves for any validation. Oh my god, are you incapable of not seeing yourself ad a victim , toxic femininity isn't as a result of misogyny The misogynist doesn’t respect women. They don’t value a woman’s accomplishments and they lump all women in the same category. Women who use their bodies to manipulate are ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:58 AM
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Nah he is right they don't do it as often as men do
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:49 AM
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Toxic masculinity on the other hand I’ve seen plenty of, men refusing to get help (mental) because their hurting or regularly having problems but won’t seek help for themselves, men killing themselves instead of getting help. Men bullying each other for showing weakness, men refusing to help their wife’s or family because ‘it’s a women’s job’ then bitching about divorce rape and refusing to take responsibility. There’s also the regular cases in the news of shootERs going on sprees because they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:48 AM
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Personally I don't but I have issue when women come out and complain about sexualisation in the media or complain that men don't want to date them or take them seriously , do what you want but you don't get to bitch and claim misogyny is the reason that men don't like you which is what alot of them claim
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:42 AM
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>You are aware that men will select young women qnd have them do aspects of an illegal task for them so they parse off the significant jail time risks to the women this goes both ways, alot of women hire men to kill people >It's a huge, growing problem, where gang members will pretend to be their boyfriends, ask them for favours or help and get the women to commit the actual crime, though they qre the ones who planned it and make the profit and if the women get caught they just abandon them to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:25 AM
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This is an economic shift which has nothing to do with feminism Actually it does , bringing women into the work place plus affirmative action while simulteonous securing equal salary based on outcome did cause some part of the economic shit be ause they have to balance the pay with is why men are not as successful now bevause there is more help afforded to women at almost all fronts in terms of school and work now I don't think that is bad , but then you have to accept the cons , if you as a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:15 AM
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Obviously YOU don't, being a man. Think about it from a woman's point of view for a moment, can you see why now? Not really most women want to have kids and family, most women and yes that includes feminist would rather spend time with their kids than juggle a career , most women want to get married and have a relationship, most women do not enjoy sleeping around and exploring their sexuality , and this isn't me taking out of my ass ,this is something i have heard from women, women are more like…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:12 AM
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this goes both ways thou, black women hate when a black guy dates a white woman, and vice versa, it also applies to Asians
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:24 AM
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>Again, why do you think it’s reasonable to expect women in feminist groups to allocate their limited time, money, and resources to activism specifically towards men’s rights issues? Do you see men’s rights groups or men’s rights activists spending their time, money and resources on activism specifically toward’s women’s rights issues? Because I sure don’t. N.O.W. is a very large and long standing organization that put a lot of effort and resources into political activism. They’re not just writi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:02 AM
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You are aware women are more likely to recover liency even un terms of horrible crimes infact as of recent , criminality among women is increasing while its reducing in men , alot of people in prison are also imprison for non violent or heinous crime like drug dealing, petty theft , e.t.c
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:44 PM
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Feminists generally tend to support issues of sexism that disproportionately affect men, at least ideologically. That said, feminists are not a monolith, and there are issues not all feminists agree on. And not all women identify as feminist. In fact, depending on how the question is phrased and who conducted the poll, as few as 18% of American women self identify as feminist. I don't actually see feminist supporting these issue , can you give me some examples of these that were specifically mad…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:37 PM
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Yeah, I’m just not sure why you seem to believe that feminist orgs should be devoting their time, money, and resources to fighting men’s rights battles in particular, while states are actively taking away reproductive rights. Make it make sense. We have our own problems to deal with. I don't believe they should but alot of feminist seem to think they are or that they support issues that specifically affect men or that they also support male issues , I can keep going, but I have yet to see even o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 10:50 PM
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Why would a woman report a man she loves, who treats her well, who everyone wants to live and thrive, to the government to be deported to q war zone? Your assumption is that every woman is good and some don't hurt men who love them Doesn't make sense does it. It also doesn't happen. High integrity men volunteer themselves because they don't think other men should die for them no their interests. There are several high integrity men who have been cheated on, killed , framed, false accused of rape…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 09:17 PM
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You don’t seem to know much about the history of women’s suffrage or the women’s liberation movement if you think it didn’t take much to accomplish the rights that women now have that we didn’t previously. In the US it took about 80 years from start to finish. Women were jailed and tortured for their activism. Yes, there were women who were against suffrage, making it that much harder. Yes, there are women who are against legal abortions, making it that much harder. Yes, there will be protests a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 09:06 PM
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You assume this wasn't also done to innocent men , I am saying they chastised any man who didn't join the draft
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 08:42 PM
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I agree but this doesn't remove the fact that some women have said this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 08:38 PM
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>You're acting like men did not have agency due to the role they were put in. What would you rather be, a person dependent on yourself to make your life, or a person who has to pray someone else picks you so you might not worry about financial concerns for the next few years, and when you need a divorce, the financially well off person is not the one that has to ask, will i be able to survive after this? and women didnt, why is it suddenly the case that they currently have agency , is it that me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:23 PM
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>Why would you expect a woman to come along and change an institution that is hundreds of years old if the men who were in power previously didn’t? because they were willing to change the ones that benefited them , if they want to be in the position , should they discard the ones that negatively benefit men , and only focus on women is that what you are going for >Women have gone through absolute hell to get the rights we currently have (which are still very much under attack currently in many U…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:04 PM
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​ women restrctions were more due to ignorance and lack of tech and more so than . while i dont think they should have been barred from college the logic that because they didnt excel in physical manual labour concludes that they wouldnt in other forms of vocation was widely popular , we also fail to account that most people didnt have access to any of the things you listed, only the wealthy men and some women privately, as for the age of consent i can agree to an extent , but this also affect m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:32 PM
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in the past men being expendable had a point, because while women could give birth they weren't as physically capable which meant men excelled in other areas , even in cases of war or hard manual labour, but for now , due to modern medicine and tech women are almost on equal footing so men should be aided by society but they are not, even thou they technically built it, they arent being provided for they have to provide for themselves without support, society will say some BS of its because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:02 PM
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are you kidding , women also see men as expendable , during the 50s women shamed men who refused to go for the draft, in matriaches queens were more likely to wahe more, women are also very dismmisive of male issue even till, literally they still fight for affirmative action in school for women even thou women are the majority in school, why do people pick and choose when to hold men responsible but not women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:42 AM
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check again they killed the boys
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:39 AM
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this isnt completely true , even in cases of matriarchy men were still responsible for combat roles , working in dangerous jobs and law enforcement ,there is also the fact that you cant pick and choose what you contribute to, if men created the idea , that means men are also responsible for everything up till now even things that benefit women, finland current has a female head of state , she hasnt removed the draft for men why
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:39 AM
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Big dicks. Men romanticize big penises so much it's prevalent in pornography and assume that's the gold standard of penis size. And as a woman it's really not. I hear more judgment about dick size from women than men , men don't use this a point of insult women however do that's mostly where the Insecurity comes from Alpha Male attitude. That hyper aggressive in your face dickhead attitude chest beating man's man. It's obnoxious. And performative at best it makes me think of a really loud Chihua…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 07:47 AM
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I mean isn't actually kind of his point, it's not that she is worthy he is the one settling
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 07:37 AM
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Yes you do , women say this
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:46 PM
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The big reason men get called creepy is because they're either too persistent, or just in an inappropriate setting. Nah its because they are men, I have seen women go to social media to locate someone they thought was nice that's one of the most creepy and dangerous shit you can do because it's actually doxxing , but since it's a woman, it's romantic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:45 PM
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easier to get male attention for women. It is not easier to get male attention from trustworthy men women are attracted to. Yeah this applied to everyone even ugly guys how many have used ugly men simply for their wallet and pretend to care about them , this isn't some unique thing that applies to women even in terms of frequency. If a woman goes out and ten dogshit men catcall, whistle, or make gross comments about her body, men would consider that a positive for her. It is not. It’s dehumanizi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:43 PM
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Yes it is. And your reward for doing so is you get to live in a functioning society. No it is not, a functioning society doesn't require everyone to be good but to be orderly , by your logic China is a functioning society its not a specifically moral place they have a lot of human right violations but they are functioning society society functioned in the 80s and yet we have women claiming that it was a very terrible time for them does that mean there reward for doing good and suffering is a fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:07 PM
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The fundamentals of being in a fulfilling relationship isn't hard to learn it is simple, be good to your partner attraction is not that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 12:07 PM
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It is
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:41 AM
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Sometimes women are to blame and sometimes they themselves are to blame
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:16 AM
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No, societal expectation is not to be good it's to be competent and abide by the law, this does not mean you have to be a good person , and being good should be rewarded because that is how we encourage good behavior, If self sacrifice was the basis of everything and being good then every single time any one is in trouble then we will help. we would also judge actions regardless of attraction or influence we do not , being good is only important in terms of perception not action , because most o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:00 AM
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Being a good person has a lot to do with attraction. I don't think it does, if it did we wouldn't have alot of serial killers being good with women Speaking in terms of healthy LTR , being a genuinely good person is a base line 2nd no you can be good to your partner and be a horrible individual overall, you could also be good from an aesthetic sense and then cheat , and then you could provide something specific and be an asshole , in fact this was the basis of most LTRs in the past , most marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:48 AM
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Nah this is not the same thing if it was the case , they would still relate with these people, even if you aren't a punching bag , it doesn't do anything , there is also the fact that if it was as simple as we should all be polite , there is no reason why we shou have to defend ourselves from being taken for granted and it also doesn't answer why the assholes are still likeable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:40 AM
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This isn't about creating a fulfilling relationship , this is about attraction , why are always jumping from the point , are the men we are talking about better at attracting women or not , also no it's not because it has nothing to do with attracting women because attracting women isn't a good basis to judge moral character
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:28 AM
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That is such cope
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:26 AM
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That is such cope
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:26 AM
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That's not true you can absolutely get healthy partners with this traits , the person just gets unhealthy as a result
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:23 AM
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The 80/20 rule is made up but let's be honest you are more likely to get women with dark traid traits than the average personality because having the dark triad traits can allow you to read people and know how to manipulate them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:20 AM
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Not really there is some truth to this being a good person has nothing to do with attraction , it also has nothing to do with the woman being unstable a woman can be very stable and still date someone who sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:19 AM
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So why are we pretending that it doesn't work then , If you think it works then why do we measure the idea that being a good person is more optimal
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:17 AM
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I don't think they are safe but the idea that some conflate niceness with weakness is honestly on them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:12 AM
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Based on some conversations here, I have begun to wonder if a lot of men do not genuinely like their female partners as people or enjoy their non-sexual company, just as men tend to wonder if many women aren’t sexually attracted to their male partners. Most do some don't, it's not the majority but it is common to date someone you actually don't like for both men women and you can be staying for other reasons If you would say you “like/d” your partner/former partner, would you say you also “respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:56 AM
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I can agree with the partner one but the friendship one there is some truth to it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:47 AM
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Women can get resentful toward men, but generally see them as equals and don’t view them as “not worth my time unless they’re directly giving me something.” Gold diggers are the obvious exception to that, but most women value male friends the same as female friends, and genuinely enjoy their partners’ company (at least in the beginning of the relationship before the other face shows). For a lot of men, it seems women’s sentience is just a downside that must be tolerated to get the pussy. And it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 07:15 PM
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That is starting g to change slowly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:49 PM
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The assumption is that it's only men that do this or even mainly men that's not true some divorces even ones initiated by the women are caused by the woman, also the goal is to enter the relationship not maintain it forever
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:21 PM
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No you can give the aesthetic of a good partner , how you think fuck boys and psycho can blend in like normal people you underestimate how fake people can be
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:11 PM
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Nah it won't because societally women will have no leverage to make that demand aside from being a decent human being he question while it is the right thing , do the benefits out weigh the cost
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:09 PM
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Wanting nor to participate because you don't want to compete is insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:05 PM
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Nah some people just don't want to have sex with people that have high body count and considering that hook up culture is now being shat on by women , there is no proof that a woman being highly promiscuous means she is experiencing pleasure or ecstasy nor does it guarantee that she is a good partner , having a sexual part doesn't entitle you to anything and men don't want to date you based on that they have the right not to , why you do with that is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:03 PM
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You can do things on self principle ,I might not like my partner but It doesn't mean I will cheat , I could simply do it based on the idea that I don't like sleeping around when in a commited relationship , that veumg said the open complement is a general thing , it is common in both men and women , nothing is stopping you from lying and manipulating but as long as you don't , you don't have to like them or respect them right , as long as consent isn't breached I don't have to care about the per…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:00 PM
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It's bad for men because average men can't find success in the dating market and end up unaccustomed to healthy relationships with their female counterparts. It's bad for the top tier men because it encourages bad behavior. It's This happens regardless of hook up culture thou It's bad for children because we're seeing an epidemic of broken homes. Men and women don't have the capacity or reason to endure monogamous relationships. It's bad for society as a whole because the destruction of the fami…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:50 PM
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Not necessarily not liking or respecting someone doesn't mean you will treat them badly , i also don't think he plans on entering a relationship, just casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:43 PM
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Sometimes yes and sometimes no , there is misogyny bt alot of women misuse misogyny like how they claim.man spreading was a form of toxic masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:35 PM
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OK if you say so
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:17 AM
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This is just about knowledge but also physical strength and ability to withstand wounds, this is something men do better
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:39 AM
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Not necessarily no most infrastructural jobs are mainly done by men , alot.of it requires physical strength and endurance something women have less and to top it all they don't have periods they can't get pregnant and they have more endurance, women fail to understand that most of tech caters even thou they don't build moat of it or even maintain most it plus they won't easily be able to pick it up or maintain as good considering these aren't safe in general now you want women to take over it fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 10:37 AM
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Having more opportunities doesn't mean you would be able to handle or even meet the demands of said opportunities
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 09:00 AM
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All we need to do is find a way yo reduce the male sex drive that would help very much
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 08:58 AM
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no
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:12 PM
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I thought you were talking about unattractive men going for anyone that gives them attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:54 PM
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Emotional intelligence is by individual and it doesn't necessarily mean you will give proper emotional , you can have emotional intelligence and be manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 01:39 PM
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1) Morality and even misogyny has nothing to do with sexual attraction 2) women don't actually put as much effort Into dating as men 3) women think they are entitled to relationships after they have had sex with you even when you made your intentions clear 4) women are completely responsible for hook up culture and can only blame themselves for why they hate it 5) alot of women overestimate how good of a partner they actually are
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:13 AM
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ok you hike , this is a high level hobby and then you work out
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:04 AM
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Incel is a minority of a minority most men in world can have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:00 AM
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Actually I agree that sex work is worse , this isn't exactly lying to your partner , you love her but you love her because you are taking what you can get
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:59 AM
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When women aren't able to get a guy they truly want for a relationship, we're perfectly fine staying single. Acting like men "settling for what they can get" is their only option is disingenuous. They can and do have every ability to not enter into relationships with people they don't actually give a fuck about, like come on. Not entirely true they are alot of desperate women out there that would enter anyone who meets their bare minimum ,there is also the fact that they have alot of social supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:56 AM
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This is kind of obvious right , if you have little options then you will settle
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:53 AM
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Hiking and flying aren't nerdy hobbies they are high level
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:52 AM
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I also believe there is what can be termed a "sexual underclass": those reaching 30 or older who have had no luck finding anyone. Misogynistic men advocating violence against women get all the media attention, but there are far more who don't have these attitudes, and instead deal with their loneliness quietly. Contrary to popular belief majority of the people who cause harm to women are people women usually date , I am not saying that women are into bad boys but more so that morality has nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:45 AM
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he reason is that most men simply are not interested in sex that impersonal. It does not fulfil their sexual needs. Nah it's because it's expensive and women find it extremely appalling like men disliking women with huge body count
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:25 AM
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It doesn't matter because it doesn't actually add to men in terms of what they want in a partner , doesn't make her a great partner especially if there is a high chance she might end up being a stay at home mom , it can lead to conversations if she is good at it but if she can't cook clean or well function likeable normal adult then why date her , men are already majorly responsible for the finances, when women have kid we still have to be responsible for the finances regardless they aren't, wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:58 PM
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They contradictory in native men aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:20 PM
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Some girls find this creepy mind you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:17 PM
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Lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:06 PM
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Thats bs they don't care about that until it benefits them , uf they want to remove the " patriachy" then they should be willing to account for that they can't have their cake and eat it too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:06 PM
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I am pretty there are several generic things that could be pointed out in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:57 PM
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I don't think anything g would be solved but everyone tells everyone to lower their standards technically
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:53 PM
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Everyone has a herd they are following I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:51 PM
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Then why arewe trying to chmage the idea that women place don't belong in the home then since societal equality doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:48 PM
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Most of these good though don't convey flirt , a pat on the back and a high five , might as well just tell them I want to be friends from the start
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:47 PM
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I would argue thru do t since we are equally, if you want an equal relationship then you should also go look for your man as well
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:42 PM
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OK tell us the different touches that a dude can initiate that isn't creepy when you are meeting each other for the first date
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:40 PM
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The problem is in terms of touching shoulder or hand , some do see it as creepy and can be turn off by it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:38 PM
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Nah its not guys alot of girls don't like to be touched randomly by guys even if it's someone they are flirting with
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:33 PM
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So we should set our standards based on what the unthinking heard desires? Interesting. They don't matter to men because men aren't attracted to men , your dating and matung strategy isnt determined by your opinion but the results , whether or not you respect men like this doesn't matter because it doesn't actually Improve our ability to to get into relationships with women both long term and short term , these guys can thou My experience after 38 years on planet earth is that the mainstream whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:24 PM
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As a man I have zero respect for such a man. That's fine , whether or not you respect them doesn't actually matter , the ability to get girls to sleep with you is what people want He could have just married one nice girl instead of breaking apart thousands He could or he couldn't there is nothing actually wrong with sleeping around if you don't want someone like that that's fine but like I don't see this as breaking apart He also isn't hurting only those girls he is also hurting other men's chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:51 PM
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But who is saying the latter? Literally no one talks like that lol no one tells men they’re automatically evil and they need to die in a corner? Sometimes its said and sometimes it based on their discussions about men The manosphere isn't the one creating the narrative there is an us vs them dynamic there are alot of female content creators that have been shitting on men even before the redpillers be amended popular
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:23 AM
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And you think men weren't, even in cases of matriach there were still slaves , both men and women were subjected to it, the idea that women specifically suffered through history and men were just lavishing and oppressing women is completely BS because it discount the fact that even in terms of slavery male slaves weren't brutally tortured or maybe to do extreme manual labour and rhey were just given light tasks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:40 AM
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I think in dating issues specifically yes they are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:32 AM
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It encourages the individuals and tells people to but the individuals happiness over the happiness of the community , they just didn't account for the fact that in cases where they care about the individual only the community isn't obligated to help them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/23 09:07 AM
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Most people even men respond to assertiveness even in situations of sexual tension, the likely hood of rape is not increased by being assertive because regardless even uf u misunderstand or misread the situation as a mam I can still be viewed as a rapist
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:26 AM
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I don't know but it doesn't really mean that assertiveness doesn't reduce the likely hood of rape it does
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:11 AM
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i agree you can even do a simple walk in the park, and if she declines because of the low expense then fuck that she isn't worth it anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:04 PM
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You are aware by your logic most of what redpillers say are then justified
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 06:45 PM
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I have that's true , the lies work but if you want a LTR then yeah I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 03:33 PM
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Yeah I am just saying walking up to a random stranger and simply stating every thing about yourself doesn't work
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 03:27 PM
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My advice match making in church get a friend a friend and if that doesn't work focus on other things and accept the fact that you might be single for life
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 03:22 PM
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Do you really want to use animal logic here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 03:09 PM
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If he said what would your reply be
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 03:04 PM
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Telling women up front “I’m kinda shy, have nerdy hobbies, I like to read, not a fan of clubs or loud music… along with a list of hobbies and interests would go a long way in relating to others who share the same habits. Unfortunately I don't think this will
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 03:02 PM
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tell you my experience.My introduction to the red pill started after a toxic breakup situation, so im just adressing dating/relationship dynamics in the comment . The problem is, that there is this idea , which is the( blue pill) ,that you basically just have to treat your partner well and everything will work out. Yeah the idea that being a good person leads to attraction and good relationships isn't really true So the only side, that adresses these dynamics is the red pill ,but the red pill,wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 12:34 PM
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I mean it's true thats why there is also the fact that as much as redpillers are very traditionally masculine they have way more empathy for men than the left and I mean even performative empathy, you can actively see them being more empathetic than the left on men and male issues and they are even willing to engage in these issues
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 11:41 AM
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Which is kind of ironic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:05 AM
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Same should apply to women but clearly they don't
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:57 AM
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I agree
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 07:11 PM
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Not completely no
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:30 PM
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my dude, most normies especially don’t watch anime (and a lot of non-normies don’t too) - as for 50 shades, its largest demographic is middle aged women, same with tele novels (and that’s primarily middle aged latin women too), so your evidence is quite shotty. I am not making a claim I am disproving the idea that the media pushes a body type claiming its appealing to women when it's not , I used anime as an example because he used DBZ , but in movies this cannot be demonstrated for the majority…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:52 PM
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That doesn't really disprove my point
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:41 PM
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No their evidence is very little which is my point , if we actually look at majority of content targeted to men very little of them have the captain America physique and more of the loki physique even in anime he used dragon ball that doesn't even involve romance and very little female interaction, in most romance anime or even harem targeted to boys and men , ecchi even the main characters are usually very slim and look physically average that's it, most shounen infact doesn't have the impossib…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:36 PM
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There are female athletic teams and i would argue they have more support groups than men , also interest groups like red pill , redpill is an ideology not a group it's like feminist and it's not limited to men , plus they get high amound of criticism despite not having that much incident
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:31 PM
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Nah. Women really aren't disgusted by male virgins. We just dont care for them if they are unattractive- that's not the same as disgust. Yeah okay Its really weird to assume that younger means less trauma when so many younger women are on anti depressants and unstable asf with lots of trauma. This has nothing to do with ages though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:19 AM
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I am offering advice. You are not entitled to sex and dating...nobody is. You would not want society to force you to date or have sex with people you are not attracted to, and that is reasonable so it should apply to everybody including women and not just men. No one is saying they are entitled to it , but they want to date so they would ask for advice on how to date and what makes people attractive this doesn't equal entitlement People that are self validated, self productive, and define their …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:55 AM
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In the context of dating this means you can either find your own self confidence by finding your own self worth and validation. Or you can follow what others tell you. You can do that but some people need advice on how to get to that part and "be your self " just doesn't cut it for both men and women, it just affect men more because men have to do the approach more
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:35 AM
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did not say that. I said do thing to be productive for yourself. Which means making yourself priotity over seeking validation from redpill ideas about masculinity or approval from women. Doing productive things for yourself is fine but what the redpill focuses on is dating , which alot of men struggle in which is why they want advice on but they get terrible advice from most people , when they fail in dating they are judged for it and they still have to do more work dating related, the idea isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:26 AM
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There are female only spaces that are restricted to women , there are female only bars , girls night , female only gyms ,female only gaming tournaments, spaces specifically made to dicuss female only issues , female only seminars for businesses and other topics, the girls guide still exist and is not open to boys but boys scout is open to girls apparently, and even when there are spaces predominantly or even a predominantly male hobby it always gets criticism of being specifically women friendly…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:16 AM
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Exactly this advice doesn't convey any attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:13 AM
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Yeah it sucks...that means you might put work into being productive and still not get laid...but buying into the extremist view that you are entitled to women only makes you a pawn to be used by another's agenda, typically violent, and you still don't get laid. There aren't any extremist views that you are entitled to women only , your advice that simply being a decent and good person doesn't actually work because attraction has nothing to do with morality so we go by what markers exactly, you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:13 AM
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No it's not those guys suck especially their last video where they claimed there was this push for male unrealistic body type being unappealing to women which is actually a lie because they used very very specific examples
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:58 AM
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They haven't, they have offered advice but not productive ones , they ones they give suck
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:57 AM
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They can but they underplayed it significantly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:55 AM
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Would you say the same about the body positivity movement by fat women and trans women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:51 AM
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But that isn’t what those men want. They don’t want to do actual work. They want cheat codes and shortcuts and for some peculiar reason no one has figured out yet: they assume they “deserve” the same access to attractive pussy as the quarterback and Homecoming King. That's BS hey can only work on the physical aspect because you can't teach charisma it is learned at a young age and if not through trial and error, plus women don't gave to go through the same thing, they don't require charisma As m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:48 AM
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But they claim it isn't thou , that they usually date morally good people more than just the typical bad boy and that's not actually true
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:45 AM
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They aren't, they are the ones claiming thats the case , The people being offended by that are usually leftist and blue pill , they lie about What makes a person sexy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:42 AM
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Then simple tell dudes to only go with women they confirm like them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:41 AM
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There are female spaces that do not include men, and they are very exclusive of men and sometimes hostile
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:06 PM
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Let's be honest, during history women often had less rights and power than men, so what should they have done for men? Until about a century ago, which men's issues should they have cared about, and would they have had the power to change back then? Not all of history was patriarchal even in matriachs they care little about men , in situations when they were queen's instead of Kings the eye was still on the idea that women and children were kept safe , men are still expendable to them so yeah e …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:44 AM
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I think there should be exclusion, not everything men do should involve women because there is male exlusion in almost all female spaces
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:39 AM
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Seriously, seriously, seriously thought this was utter bullshit. But I still wanted to do better for myself anyways. Guess who found someone as soon as I did so??? Some things are advice for a reason 🤷🏽‍♀️. It can happen and sometimes it can Statistics disagree with you. Emotionally, relationships with women are very helpful for men. I’m sorry women that you have chosen to surround yourself did not bring upon good relationships (of all kinds friendship included). I can't see the stays but emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:36 AM
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Red and [the other pill that shall not be named] content uses this same loop. Here are statistics on infidelity or paternity fraud or divorce, be mad about it - Here's a diatribe about why women won't fuck short guys, be fearful and afraid - it means you're never going to feel love. In the red pill, that soothing turn is to say, "But don't worry, you can follow our plan of self-improvement to cheat the system and get women and be happy". In [the other pill], that soothing message is more along t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:14 AM
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Not to mention those same dudes plainly ignore the millions upon millions upon millions of regular men who find love affection and intimacy who have very little if anything in common with stereotypical “bad boys”. Like y’all just see what you want to see and which confirms your biases. This is completely consistent with OP’s main premise. First of all age , status, attraction, looks , location , charisma ,religion and group plays a big role in these things , there is also the fact that most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:55 AM
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Well, same could be said the other way around. Why should women care about men's issues when it is clear that lots of men, nowadays and during the entire history don't care about women's issues. This is a kind of deadlock. Did women care about men issues , I mean let's be honest , I don't think women even through out the whole of history have care about men issue but I could say the same the other way around even till now , most of the people who go against red pillers are men , alot of intentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:41 AM
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The rapist is at fault but again you have to know how to express boundaries and keep yourself safe as an adult , every one does this even men , it's the same situation if a guy was rape they ask the same questions , if a guy was baby trapped , they would ask the same question ,if a guy was frauded they would ask the same questions
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 05:34 AM
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Virginity isn't a concept it's a state it simply means not had sex yet and vlth parties were supposed to be celibate only very fee men were going around sleeping with every woman, but even so that doesn't actually matter now wanting a virgin has a preference isn't in reference with the past just like wanting to be a stay at home womenor not wanting to approach men now isn't bevause you want to comform to gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:17 AM
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Okay, I'll concede on some points: I'm being a bit idealistic, yes, and was a bit neglegent to go and fully learn about all the varieties of the Men's Movement. MRM does = legal rights activism, for sure, and discussion around those topic, not necesserily going all the way into philosphy and the male condition as a whole (this applies to Women's Right too, the parallel I'm catching now). But I still think my point stands on what we should be doing as the Men's Movement to deal with feminist defa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 07:12 PM
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Let me get my intentions out of the way first. I simply want to categorize MRAs for the sake of two reason, 1) I feel we lack strong legetimacy in the culture mostly from feminism tainting our image and lack of unity amongst ourselves, which brings us to, 2) I feel that feminist legitemately have no understanding of who is who, among MRAs and the types of MRAs there are. Conflating us with RedPill. This is where I'm coming from with my feeling that we do need to categorize our ideologies because…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 09:01 AM
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Reall what did you do
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 07:47 AM
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I agree we should stop using women as our validation and focus on simply being our best selves and helping other men mainly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:20 AM
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>"While I agree with you, i feel you're ignoring the nuance of redpill and redpill MRAs, where for example in the menrights sub there are plenty of guys id consider redpill in there, and they're still MRAs. But guys like fresh n fit I'd never classify as MRA, Sneako for example is not an MRA, Reeves is not an MRA either, he's more a menslib type (pro-feminist)". i am not ignoring the nuance, you can be Red pill and MRA but to be n MRA doesn't mean simply agreeing with the idea of a men's rights …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 11:03 PM
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not really no, they were getting hate from feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 08:41 PM
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They have made effort but they saw the effort wasn't worth it , I want kids it doesn't mean I think i should have one because I am not ready for that kind of responsibility yet
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:17 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:16 PM
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A lot of that stuff was about respect. It's really hard to respect a man who stares at a screen for multiple hours a day as his main hobby. All of what I said does really matter. I well if you say so I outlined the issue, you dismissed it. I cannot make you see issues you refuse to. But I'll try one last time. Do you want a girl who is socially healthy, works fine, and spends all the rest of her time playing video games and anime with no other skills to really speak of, or would you prefer a gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:16 PM
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As long as they aren't complaining how are they feeling entitled, wanting a partner doesn't mean you feel entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:08 PM
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Much better hobbies are like cooking, fixing shit, art, knitting, gardening, carpentry, music, martial arts. Things that actively produce things and/or make you a better person, make life better, etc. You simply value other hobbies bt nothing about this makes you a better person or have a better life
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:07 PM
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Please give sources I Need it as ammo
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 12:42 PM
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Tate isn't part of a movement , he isn't even redpill, he is hauled by the redpill but he has never actually prescribed the redpill, he and sneako are the only ones using the matrix ideology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 12:40 PM
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Red pillers in general aren't even MRA , most manosphere dude aren't MRA they just talk about issues amd most of the time it's dating issues that's it , they are also not that many the only reason they got this much reach is because the people who men were listening to sucked or were chastised take jordan peterson he might not have been the most tolerant but he was absolutely good for men , he was way better than tate well at least compared to now, and the left shat on him for simply acknowledgi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 12:38 PM
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Yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 12:34 PM
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Thy think it does which in hindsight maybe but not all the time and in case most of the time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 12:32 PM
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This is exactly what I feel is the case , the right might not be good for men but it at least appreciates men and considers them in the discussions half the time the left doesn't, but it has the time to constantly demonise men , attack male spaces, go after people even people on the left that actually addresses male issue in a constructive regards of usung the feminist ideology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 12:30 PM
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They changed because they getting hate for simply caring about men that's why not because it was doomed to fails
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 12:26 PM
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teu but but according to the stats how do they have more free time , if they work more
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:48 AM
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not really no, i just don't think these people are horrible men, i think these men are the same level as the women complaining about them, because good men aren't actually hard to find, also you wanting something doesn't mean you are entitled, but thinking you deserve it does
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:26 AM
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You can give wgenwral dating advice but most people advice but as a dude most of the dating advice you should take seriously are men who are successful with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:02 AM
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I agree it doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:01 AM
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That's what I am saying according to the stats men do more work how do they have more free time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:56 AM
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Exsxlt the stupid part is that article that used this blamed it on sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:44 AM
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Actually yes there was a study someone brought up about leisure time gap women have less leisure, the odd part about the study is that when you complied total time working , for home childcare and paid work men work more hours overall but had less free time why
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:36 AM
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They are complaining about single young men thou not partners
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:25 AM
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For every single gke person using the BS of they are talking about household chores and childcare in home , the people who are being talked about the most are single young men not people in relationships who have children , men who live alone , with roomates or their parents , they are claiming these dudes are working less and using it as a basis to say they are now way less motivated and have less ambition , but my question so
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:23 AM
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The issue most of the people they are complaining about are single young men not people living with their partners
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:21 AM
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Any woman who takes advantage of all that feminist progress and still expects a man to be the traditional breadwinner and majority financial engine of the family needs to take a look at, no, sorry, she's a disgusting two-faced hypocrite for trying to hold a potential partner to traditional standards whilst taking full advantage of not having to uphold her own traditional standards I agree they are literally getting hand held and showing surprised pikachu face when they end up doing better , like…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:20 AM
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Most people are immature when they are young even women , we just give women less shit for it because we don't give the same level of responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:16 AM
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Exactly and when they don't do people claim that's bad because " ambition "
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:15 AM
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If it is not interfering with their social life, responsibilities and their partner what's the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:13 AM
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They're talking about helping around the house with chores, romance, sex, Aside from these every other thing you mention is not really relevant for a healthy relationship and honestly that their issue drugs, alcohol, video games, or porn. This is a problem when it becomes and addiction you only look at employment as evidence of not being a lazy loser, you'd let a lot of lazy useless losers into your life and that's with you being a man. Especially since being employed and not wasting your money …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:12 AM
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If that's the case any stronh independent woman having issue finding is more so her fault than the mens and its not that men have issues with her being rich but that she is prob not that good to date in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:07 AM
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OK good for them , worst case no one would date anymore, men don't have to meet those demands and that's fine , what's not fine is claiming they should and that their lazy for it , you can simply say they don't meet what you want in a partner , and then you stay single and nothing happens everybody oa happy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:03 AM
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Are you attracting lazy useless losers thou , because let's be honest no one is entitled to what ever partner they want , they have to be someone there partner wants to be with arr you someone you believe fit your partners standard , a lot of women unironically think they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:59 AM
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Exactly I stopped caring about men being as working as society feels they should because even the ones who do dangerous work aren't appreciated anymore, they still don't give them better working conditions , their pay hasn't increased because of it and now they are expected to still be as good in the home despite that , why would I then encourage dude to spend 40+ hours to work for a society that doesn't care or even approachable than when they can do enough to be comfortable, amd people deem it…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:55 AM
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How does that lead to it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:33 PM
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i agree we shouldn't give a fuck about the expectation the problem is when men fail to meet this standard they are morally held responsible and told they aren't working hard enough, and that is reinforced both by women and other men even some feminists, what you are sayng is i should just not , but we are also not telling these women to stop morally enforcing this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:11 PM
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they are free doesnt mean the social expectation doesnt still exists from women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:56 PM
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so you are saying we should not encourage men to strive for the best , in terms of fitness and finance because it is in fact unattainable and look for other ways to shine, honestly the best way to stop these grifter is simple, remove the idea that competence in sex has anything to do with masculinity and encourage physical sex work
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:46 PM
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okay
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:44 PM
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define healthy way because mind you , because it being healthy doesnt equal how you want it expressed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:31 PM
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if they claim the standard is too high for them to meet and them choosing to opt-out, is that somehow putting the blame on women, or do women somehow care that some men aren't reaching that standard
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:29 PM
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of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but again this doesn't mean my statement is wrong and that a very huge percentage of women and yes even feminist women still want a traditional man, majority of couples still follow this expectation, and you and your sister are not representatives of the entire female population.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:28 PM
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define men being allowed to be people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:18 PM
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and some men are choosing that its better stay single why do you have gripe with that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:05 PM
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i agree men arent oppressed by women but your take on men being entitled isnt reallly matching up , first thing is first, the redpill is simply trying to adapt dating methods to suit men, it might not be as considerate of women but thas kind of the point, 2) conservative in general dont like change which is why they are against change that doesnt neccessarily mean agaisnt women because mind you majority of pro lifers arent even men , they are women, this isnt anti women, it is anti progress ​ as…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:04 PM
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the problem is you can't actually prove that more grifters equal sexless men, because as much as people hate these guys, while the markers for success aren't always feasible it is correct, the more money you have, the fit you become, the higher your status, and the charismatic you can be means you will be better with women, the issue is there is actually truth in what they say, and that truth is usually denied when men can see it clearly, Men were getting more single before and the guys who were…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:48 AM
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ok so essentially the problem isn't men working less but just not having interesting personalities
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:44 AM
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i mean you are right, this sub is meant to argue the logic of both genders choices in dating and you can also critic women choices in men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:43 AM
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but what i am saying is true thou, though there are fewer prospects compared to 2015 because there are as of now fewer educated men than women, check the stats, literally, this entire post is about how boys are failing in school, your last link literally says that the wages of men have gone down, which is why there are less marriageable men than 2015, i am not just talking out of feelings, this is why are dating in their late ages and not even most of them are doing it , marraiges overall have g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:42 AM
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but average men are not getting laid tha much it more depends on locaion , culture and community, most of the people who end up in relationships are usually lucky because they had cultivate friendships with those women, its usually guys who have to do these things in their 20s that have issues , as for manosphere dudes, some of their advice does work thats the issue thou, because it is not only incels who listen to them there are several dudes who get women who listen to tate, and not all sexles…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:38 AM
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he didnt drop everything thou, he just weight the cost, would you rather dudes work themselves to the fullest because they want, or work just enough to have a life they feel comfortable with and relax more , because he is not giving up completely, he is just not putting in as much effort for more he feels neccessary , whether ou think thats a redflag is on you but its not a bad thing or even pathetic to reduce working and increase play
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:29 AM
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Boss bitch feminism, are people who base their entire personality on how they hustle and don't need men, use how rich they are to justify their shitty behavior, that's why bitch is in the sentence, simply being a woman who is experienced confidence and successful doesn't equal a boss bitch, you are a boss but not a boss bitch, they are also unpleasant to women by the way, so no boss bitches aren't actually in marriages, because your career doesn't matter , your behavior towards men is what deter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:26 AM
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you are kidding right, there are women who talk about this both mainstream and on YouTube , the real., the view, the amount of female tik tokers and youtubers that talk about shit like this is actually a lot , and these people have been there before red Pillers , then the amount of feminist seminars that occur in real life both in colleges and outside colleges,
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:17 AM
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maybe, but aside from girl advice most of these dues give fitness advice and law advice , it is not just girl advice they give, that just the most viewed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:15 AM
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i dont know , but you clearly do so please tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:13 AM
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sexlessness in men isnt rising because of grifters, grifiters are rising because of sexlessness in men, why it not only sexless men who listen to Andrew Tate, and not all men who are sexless listen to tate
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:13 AM
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there is just one problem, women do not shit on women who give terrible dating advice to men unless its redpill related, all they they do is yas queen it and stand it because it strokes their ego
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:11 AM
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So that's what these guys should do then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:48 AM
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You are right but they don't get married at the boss bitch stage they get married after , most marriage like this usually occur when they are in the late 30s or 40s , it's not because they are college educated it's because they have more experience in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:46 AM
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So because guys think they will never be able to make money, they’re just going to give up on life? This isn't giving up up but just putting enough for you to live on not gfo8ng over board and being luxurious
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:57 AM
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Then use public transportation or buses then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:55 AM
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Something about giving up many things just because you're single seems like a red flag for me. I think the preference is for men who are ambitious or goal oriented for themselves, as a part of who they are and their character, not men who purely do it just to impress or get women. I'd be skeptical about that. The thing is I don't see anything wrong with not wanting to be the nest or be average and simple how is that in reference a red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:46 AM
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first of all, there is still a sizable amount of good men, but they are either taken or not people you are attracted to, but if you are going for why men are not doing as well as women in recent times, its because they don't have to, and a lot of them have weight the cot benefit and seen that it's not worth it, as for boys failing in school, that's totally on school, not the boys if girls were as a whole failing in schools, we would not chalk it up to them working harder, we would blame the syst…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:25 AM
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Really so the religious leaders and politician that people tend to see as dubious and criticise the most are what you want to use as role models or the fact that people claim that all the historical figures are considered are also considered as bad role models for men not to mention thay these people don't address male issues thou they arr jusy powerful men , we don't know anything about their personal life, or how they interact with people as for movie mention 10 role models that you don't cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:25 AM
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You are aware men are even blamed when they are baby trapped right, or they are blamed when they experience domestic assault to the point its almost his responsibility to take it and never a hit a woman , even when it's their spouse , people where literally shitting on a dude in Dr Phil because he chose to defend himself when she was abusive to him , there are literally people who would shit on a guy for going crazy and leaving the family if he finds out the kids who he was taking care weren't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:13 AM
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they dont have to be the best
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:48 AM
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But they are not thou the expectation for men to be the financial provider still exist there are less tools to work with now
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:38 AM
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Women having equal rights and gaining strength shouldn’t result in men losing strength. It should result in an increase on strength on both sides, which I would argue it has and that the issue here isn’t based on aspects of feminism going awry. Actually it was, feminists didn't go after misandry and that misandry increased they also went after all male spaces and anybody helping men who wasn't them and their idealogy, also this is BS I don't garret that it should resort to the I crease in both g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:37 AM
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But that's what they are doing right , basic education that high-school, housing ok you don't have to have a three bedroom in some luxurious city, family this isn't really a given and then health ok yes I agree , what's nexg
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:02 AM
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By that logic they are motivated then survival doesn't mean luxury it just means living, so you need a house a chair a bed a kitchen , a TV (not a must) a toilet , bathroom kitchen , you want guys to have this moderate stylish apartment and consider that as survival that's luxury
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:57 AM
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There are dudes who live like bums and get women what's your point
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:56 AM
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You don't understand they arr living with their parents because they don't care to have kids anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:52 AM
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It isn't built to fault women are Increasing getting more help than men in education and the number of female has increased , male behaviour is almost much more controlled and scrutinises even as young kids regardless of who makes trouble
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:49 AM
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Men rely on some things to make friendship , groups competence and friendliness given to them , all three have been downgraded as of recent almost any form of male group except for camping and just dudes hanging out has been removed , people are less friendly to men as they were in the old days and competence and success in business isn't as valued in men as it once was so why try harder
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:42 AM
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Most men focus on surviving which is why they have no issues living a minimalist life style but the main thing that use to drive them was purpose and they saw that in family, relationships and family have been remove and are right not high risk there is also less given to them in school and in work and they recieve less appreciate as of current so why work as hard so that sobriety can feel justified
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:39 AM
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Why do they have to do that when they could simplt work enough to live and spend the rest of the time having fun why do you expect them to work themselves to be the best , when being the best doesn't actually matter anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:15 AM
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These do not actually require hard work and some of these are out right luxury, they can decide to live with their parrent or live the minimalist lifestyle and if they are happy with that cool because let's be honest hey don't have to do that because we have establish that it doesn't actually pay off about what they want , no one is also going to provide them what they want , and the world has established that they don't care as much about them as men originally thought so why should men care as…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:09 AM
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OK fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:03 AM
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ok fine but then, they are married within their environment and most likely go after someone familiar, it doesn't mean they are turned off by virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:50 PM
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chads arent looking for relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:37 PM
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most of these people are introverted and not out going , why would they go to frat parties
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:33 PM
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but they arent going to frat parties and everyone uses tinder as a last resort even virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:11 PM
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exactly so how would you know how they feel about virgins specifically , besides I don't think being turned off by a virgin is directly linked to your experience , it can happen either way ,
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:05 PM
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I think this depends on the situation and place, as of now because of the economy men have to consider income, normally in a stable society it's not as important, but because of the current society, and due to the advent of things like feminism, the standard has increased over time, prob before covid this was true but not now, ​ LBC, ALSO depends on culture and person, contrary to popular belief most people are LBC Even women, plus again society is changing but culturally it is still expected ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:03 PM
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How would you know this , also Chad types don't typically go for relationships so they wouldn't state their preferences for relationships regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:31 PM
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know what makes these men, who possibly have a high body count themselves, believe they deserve a virgin? If men are going to hold body count against women why aren’t they holding themselves to the same high standards. Having a preference doesn't mean you believe you deserve it , I'd they end up being single because of their preference why do you care
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:29 PM
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Or just don't answer after the first statement they are not entitled to know why
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:27 PM
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Its the sexist the-man-can-act-slutty-but-his-woman-cant that upsets people. Or the man can be an average looking video game maniac in his parents basement while he only dates financially independent model looking women with humanitarian hearts. Are you the one dating him why do you care
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:26 PM
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not neccessarily, but its just nice to have if you are a good partner and if you are attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:46 AM
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no overall even for relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:52 AM
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Actually I was wrong its 31% for men and 19% for women https://www.healthline.com/health-news/young-adults-especially-men-having-sex-less-frequently
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:06 AM
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This is a good argument men should choose better but they have less choices overall
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:02 AM
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Not really alot of women have done this simply because they were nice people and jt wa misinterpreted and this is something women have complained about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:30 AM
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Both should approach , women do not exercise all their options in dating it makes more sense for them to approach especially when they like a guy, this is someone they have prob vetted or talk and if they like that guy they should talk to him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:28 AM
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They are the gatekeepers of relationships with the people they are dating , it doesn't mean they have more options
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:24 AM
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True you guys have may more options than most men usually and you can get more options you just don't
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:22 AM
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Exactly they will butch about how dudes shouldn't consider things like low body count or whether a woman actually is a good partner rather than her income and social status
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:21 AM
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Uts nit the only reason but the idea that they aren't marrying someone they like isn't really true , marriage is also at a 50% divorce rate so regardless of who I marry my chances aren't high
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:19 AM
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What are they using to judge that because mind 35% of young men this year haven't even had sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:17 AM
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No they are agreeing with context
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:13 AM
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Men are agreeing but they are telling you get less shit because they have less choices
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:12 AM
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Actually a lot for them do , it just seen as less of an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:00 AM
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Yes they should, but the reason we don't give men as much shit for that is because they have way less option so we don't even know if their option was good in the first place, there is no way every single option a woman has is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:57 AM
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i dont think they want virgins to sleep, i think they are saying the only woman they will commit to is a virgin , it doesnt mean they cant have sex, before that was the case but after the sexual revolution things changed
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:19 PM
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No it doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 10:42 AM
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That's fine I have no issues with low body count women I simply answer the question asked
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 04:45 PM
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I don't consider thing like 10 relationships a body plus ut depends on the age
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 04:44 PM
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That's fine
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 04:05 PM
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why date someone if you think they will judge you based on something you think is meaningless
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:57 PM
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there is a prob that you are more likely to be promicious the more you go out to party, but then again if you have to lie about then it obviously matters then
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:56 PM
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or a woman who only wants to have sex in relationships but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:55 PM
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then she is dishonest, if you think men shouldn't care about your body count then why hide it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:54 PM
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this is someone i am currently in a relationship with you assume, i would ask them to give details, i will just ask if she was wild or suggest something like that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:41 PM
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prob, but by then they would prob trust me, personally i would ask but if i really wanted to ask , this would be the most accurate way to go
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:37 PM
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women are more likely to go after a LTR meaning they don't normally sleep around, they are also more likely to hate hook up culture because they believe the sex isn't worth it, so if that's the case why sleep around, , if you have more than a body count of 10 at a young age , then you prob had a hoe phase or were bouncing around relationship, usually when relationships end its shouldnt be that easy to move on depending on how long it was, meaning you have bad taste and its a a result of somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:01 PM
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there isn't a societal expectation for women to be very good at sex, at least not a large one, plus we all know women are more likely to seek LTR, meaning hookups and casual sex aren't something they usually do, so it can be used a predictor of impulsive behavior, whether or not she will cheat on you or not, whether or not it can be a sign of mental illness, which can be a red flag, some dudes are just turn off by it , basically, it's an ick as they say, it can be used to predict future sexual b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:54 PM
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true
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:52 PM
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the more people you have slept especially after 10 it means you prob cant keep a relationship, it can also be as a result of coping based on mental illness, you are more likely to cheat , it is easier to predict that you arent fathering a child for someone else, and some of them compare you to their prvious partners which would cripple any relationship regardless of gender , whetherits male or female
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:48 PM
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nah they sometimes predict future behaviours especially for women, it also says alot about someones sexual prowess and character , plus views on sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:44 PM
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i will worm my way by asking a series of questions based on how she goes about sex and if she lies about, just discuss with her friends how she w in the past, if she was wild, then it would be easy then after gathering info , i will ask and notice some key points ,ironically enough if she has to lie about something like that, then there is no reason to trust her going forward them when i find out
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:41 PM
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I disagree, monogamy was born out of necessity not out of love, we needed every child cared for and every man working, a fundamental home requires two parents with out any other partners from both sides, it wasn't about love it was about duty, it might have developed into love eventually , in fact i would argue you didn't need to marry someone you loved, you shouldn't hate the person, you should be able to cooperate with the person
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:25 PM
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okay maybe sure
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:21 PM
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i care about people as a whole , but i dont care about every single person in the world but hey whatever floats your boat i guess
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:18 PM
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hey i never said they were worthless pieces of meat, we just only layer a of relationship and thats sex , people do deserve to be treated like people ,but not everyone know you or has to get to know you and thats okay, because guess what they dont owe you that , it has to go both ways, you sound like one of those "nice guys " that think they are owed friendships or relationships , they arent , not everyone cares about you and thats okay
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:10 PM
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thats cool with me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:06 PM
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you know what yes i do , and thats not always bad , because not everything has to be that deep, i dont have to get to know everyone beyond surface level, i pick and choose, sometime i pick women , sometimes pick men ,and sometimes i dont and thats okay, because whether i do shouldnt matter to them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:06 PM
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so it goes both ways then, a woman simply using a man for his money s dehumanizing him by your view
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:03 PM
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i see women as people, i just to care to know every one, and in this case i dont care to know all women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:03 PM
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i mean okay i guess, but would you say women who do this to men are also dehumanising men, because there are women who do this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:59 PM
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I never said hooks ups don't need to be respected but I do not need to give them more respect than the bare minimum if i dont want to , I don't have to get to know them, if I want to I will, I do not have to thou, I treat them like a human, I don't violate them if they want to stop they will stop if they want to stay the night fine but that's all they are entitled to, we arent friends or colleagues , and I don't have to get to know them more so than just acquaintances or even a stranger, by your…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:58 PM
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these arent pick-me women, usually, pick me women save themselves till marriage and don't have high body count, the women who usually promote promiscuity are feminist type, besides, ok we are both using each other as objects simply by having sex, it's no string attached, it's just sex why are you making it more than it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:53 PM
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Its not that i dont think hookups deserve to be treated like people, i just dont think i need to know more than basic knowedge about the person for it to be a hook up. the point of a hook up is no strings attached, i dont need to care about you to sleep with you , again your assumption me not getting to know much about the women i sleep with is not respecting her or seeing her as less than human, thats not what that means
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:51 PM
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no its not dumb,ONS and hookups happen even by women, does that mean those women don't see men as people, also why do you feel entitled to me befriending you because we had sex, WE DONT NEED TO KNOW EACH OTHER FOR US TO HAVE SEX AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:48 PM
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this isnt about whether or not i like or respect women, but more so if i simply limit our relationship to hookup and nothing more than that and you are okay with that, how is that disrespectful or dehumanizing and why do you feel you require an emotional connection to have sex with me for you to be seen as human or respected by me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:46 PM
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aside from being honest with your intention which I agree with, if I simply want sex, outside of sex, if I don't want to befriend or get to know you more and you are okay with that, how that equates to not showing respect or not seeing them as people?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:43 PM
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okay , after i sleep with you , i wake up give you some food and then if it was a hok up or one night stand , we simply part ways , what more do you want
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:40 PM
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what does that mean, mistreat, what do you define as respect in this scenario because honestly, other than like not disturbing or harassing you, what more do you want
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:38 PM
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nah that's BS, most of the time they don't, the only dudes they treat with respect are dudes they like, and the dude doesn't even have to like them back, of course not all women are like this, but the idea that this is a default is a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:29 PM
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you aren't proving anything, outside of sex, what exactly are you owed, most of the people who claim they aren't treated like humans are annoyed that they aren't receiving anything other than the bare minimum respect which is exactly what is required and what women give men, they only give men more if they like the dude, we aren't dating there is no affection, if you are talking about hook ups then i dont understand are y expecting some emotional validation, if so why
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:28 PM
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i wont say they are treated better but i would say the overall basis of tech, medicine and civilization skews things on their Favour and benevolent sexism as they call it also adds to it , women benefit significantly more from modern society than men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 10:29 AM
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so do women treat men with respect just out of them being or only men who they are attracted to witout expectation or compensation, your idea is that this is not a default basis of how everyone behaves, like there arent women who treat men different based on money , social status and looks, this phrasing implies that women act different even thou they dont , so if they dont why is it seen as treating someone as human or bare minimum when they dont even do that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 10:25 AM
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using someone for sex implies that it wasnt consented, which doesnt make, if i simply want to have sex with and thats it , that doesnt imply i owe you anything else, why is this seen as use when you could simply decline
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 10:22 AM
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explain this statement please
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 10:20 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:30 PM
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This is exactly the kind of advice you should be giving stop putting too much at stake for women thay you aren't even sure like you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 09:36 AM
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Because they grow in women’s bodies and you can’t think it’s ok to tell a woman what to do with her body and surely you don’t think it’s ok to let kids go without resources. I never said they should go without resource just that does resources don't have to come from men , if women choices are so important to the govement then the govement will provide for them in cases like that , women can do what the want with their body , I just don't have to pay for it simple as thay I’m thankful for the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 08:48 AM
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Men need to pay for their children if they are born because yeah they are a huge responsibility. Men don’t get to have 0 accountability as much as men want that If they are a huge responsibility why do only women get to decide if the child is born then, again they is no accountability to be hard no choice is being made from their , it is being made from your end, men didn't create the child women did because only women decide if the child is born, you believe dhould get to choose whether or not …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:24 AM
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I’m For social benefits. What you are suggesting though is to force women into an abortion if they can’t afford a child alone and the father has opted out. You lie and say no she has a CHOICE she can choose to be financially struggling or choose to have an abortion. Well my response to that is men have a choice, wear a condom or be prepared to pay 🤷🏻‍♀️ If you want to have a child regardless of the fatyers wishes then you should have enough money to take care of them because children are a huge …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:08 AM
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That's bullshit they don't put the child needs above the man and woman because if they did they wouldn't have the child knowing that the father wasn't commited, if they simply want financial support , the government should provide support and If you are against that then any one should be against any form of free social service the government gives out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:00 AM
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It should thou that's the point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:57 AM
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Men currently have to take some responsibility by paying for children that they help create if they are born - this is to safeguard the child’s interests. I 100% support more social programs and funding but in a place like the USA it’s unlikely to happen. I don’t support financial abortions, it means men have no accountability for safe sex or for life they create. My scenario would potentially make them take safe sex more seriously if they have some consequence as well. I disagree it isn't , bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:57 AM
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Ot really the problem is signing your rights away doesn't actually remove child support
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:42 AM
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No they don't
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:38 AM
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The problem is this is at the expense of men for the choices of women why
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:38 AM
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What this argument doesn’t acknowledge is that for a woman to “opt out” she has to undergo a medical procedure that does have risks (greater risks the longer the pregnancy goes on and the type of abortion she can have; medical vs surgical) First the issue with your argument is that the idea of a woman opting of a pregnancy unless it is based on rape is solely on her and her decision and she decides which risk is better to take , this decision doesn't not involve men but affects men's lives , why…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:24 AM
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In theory maybe but reality has shown this doesn't actually matter
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:06 AM
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That's not why they don't fuck anyone thou , mainly more for the biological drawbacks plus ironically enough women are being hold to sleep around but they also want a relationship the prob is the requirement for men in relationship is low body count and you can't fault men for that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:59 AM
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Isn't that how patriachy goes thou , only the few selected men sleep with all the women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:55 AM
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but I think that women sexuality was mostly suppressed by centuries of patriarchy and only in the last decades they started to understand it and mature it. I do not think women sexuality was but rather men sexuality is way easier to figure out , think about what exactly do you need to do to please men simply penetrative sex and maybe blow Jobs and those specifically weren't heavily explore until recently there is also the fact that women where having less sex because biological they could not af…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:50 AM
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women are in no way responsible for men doing poorly in school or in the workplace. Never said they were thou , I said men are doing significant less in the school and increasing less in the work place at the same time receiving little to no support from other , the expectation is still the same thou , the blame is still the same , the solution would be to help men but it would be at the expense of women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:49 PM
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meaning women can step up, so why do they care if men cant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:32 PM
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ok good but i dont know why they see that as a problem, if men are so unnceccessary why the sudden care
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:30 PM
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honestly as long as they dont end up doing things illegal i dont see the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:22 PM
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ok thats fair but honestly the rest of your point is dumb, they dont actually have to be a productive member of society, the arent entitled to women and kids, bt i see no reason why they have to do all they can to benefit a society that care little about them, they are much better off living the mimimalist lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:21 PM
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Yeah it's too late for that, the issue is they decided that women choices was more important than society but they failed to understand that in doing so they have said the individual is more important than everybody combine meaning if men choose not to work bevause they don't see the benefits outweighing the cost , you can't actually tell them they are wrong because that would go against the very principle of your movement , and then society back them up on it at the expense of men , what femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:48 PM
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its not, the problem is what is misogyny, ​ a man simply not caring about how his choices don't affect the women in his life, as long as it's not outright immoral or illegal, is not misogynistic but some view that as misogyn , take the dude that simply wants to fuck women and nothing more, no friendship nothing this isn't actually misogynistic, as long as he isn't being unprofessional, rude or dishonest, people still find this offensive and claim it is misogynistic, even the idea of not wanting …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:54 AM
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in a way the culture does promote that for everyone, they just like telling men not to care about their own self interest because that wouldnt benefit women , the culture promotes individualism , the individual would care more about themselves than the community, so them being being self centered shouldnt be an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:39 AM
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cool
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:35 AM
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sorry what i mean is , if it didnt physical disturb your day does it still matter
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:30 AM
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the thing is we can't because feminism does push women up at the expense of men and its working , people discussing men's issues need to put men first, this is what feminism does, they do this regardless of whether or not it is negatively or positively affects men, regardless of the reaction, as long as it pushes women forward and up, that's what men should do, we should also separate men and women as different entities, meaning the decisions of men and how helping them should be priority as lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:28 AM
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no what i mean is , women hate the idea of simply being valued on their sexual attraction when it comes to anything outside of casual and professional work, the question is why is this a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:17 AM
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your first point is wrong, looking up to tate isnt actually counterprodcutive if you want to attract women, why, the three thing that generally increase how good you are with women he has all 3 and despite his reputation, if he used the lover boy method , that method requires you to be good with women He has fitness , money and charisma, his morals are irrelevent because they have nothing to do with being attractive , even if you are a misogynist you can get women your 2nd point isnt actually tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:46 AM
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if there was simply sexual attraction but it didnt threaten your safety would that be a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:34 AM
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they are not its not jusy all of women and it doesnt apply to all men , plus women value emotional intimacy more than sex , which is why they hate when men only want sexual relationships with them even thou there is nothing actually wrong with that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:29 AM
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Both
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:52 AM
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Happy international women's day
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 12:14 PM
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Then that's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 10:31 AM
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And if the child persists and sues
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 10:25 AM
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Women don’t have abortion for a variety of reasons. For one its illegal in many areas. For another their may be religious, social, or emotional reasons that prevent abortion from being an option. Exactly for legality every other issue is totally on the woman and has nothing to do with the dude One could argue that a man has the responsibility over his sperm while women have the responsibility over their bodies. If you have unprotected sex and willingly give that up, then you accept the consequen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 10:18 AM
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I personally am not against a paper abortion if a man is forced to sign away all of his rights and is then subject to criminal penalty and full child support being paid back if he tries to contact that child in any way. I agree but in cases where the child tries to contact him should not have full criminal consequences because he fulfilled his end
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 10:16 AM
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Exactly in most of these cases its usually the child that tends to make contact not the father
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 10:14 AM
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I agree and men should push back against the idea of needing women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 08:30 AM
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OK we can at least advice them to pick what's healthy which is what is happening
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:53 AM
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Why are men so hell bent in focusing on what a woman chose to do in the past? Why does it matter that she fucked someone on a first date 5 years ago but made her current partner wait a couple months? (Which isn't even a very long time tbh) Your past determines how you behave in the present, it also depends on context , women also care about men past just in difference phases , as for the waiting for sex thing I don't think it determines anything, you might make the claim that you are establish a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:05 PM
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But what’s most healthy is if they don’t have a million people pressuring them with “You should do what I would do.” By this logic the person you agree with both my initial point and other people point , we are allowed to not not takes these women seriously and why you are telling us to take them seriously is literally countering what you are saying In a vacuum, heathy couples grow closer. Unhealthy couples break up. It’s adversity that binds them. Help them escape adversity and they will natura…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:42 PM
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Yeah I wasn't talking about this sub thou
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:35 PM
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Neither of them acted maliciously towards one another. They’re both just really unstable people who have a shared history. Neither is particularly impressive, many of my clients have a history as colorful as Forrest’s. I disagree forrest is way more impressive literally a veteran hero , that being said maybe you wouldn't but I would bet majority of women even feminist will tell jenny to date someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:06 PM
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It would but that's not the point right if this was a real situation would you encourage jenny to go for forrest if the cases where reverse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:53 PM
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I would , I wouldn't expect jenny to stay in a back and forth relationship with a dude who left her alone with hiv and a kid to take care off , and I doubt you would either
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:50 PM
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Ok if that's the case then yes you can have casual sex or a casual relationship with them but not want a commited relationship, this isn't treating someone like toilet paper , because it's consensual it's causal it's not supposed to be more than that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:44 PM
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Nah people shame them in general
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:18 PM
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I disagree with his videos on some levels because I don't believe the idealised look is pushed by men , we get that in terms of action movies , men like dudes who look buff but we also see a lack of female presence and romance in these movies , even in terms of anime , these dudes do not focus on women so while they might push for unrealistic standards that body standard has nothing to do with dating , they do no promote the message that this is what women like because they don't promote romance…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:14 PM
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Society
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:56 PM
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Shitty people exist in every demographic. That doesn't mean "every demographic is only full of shitty people". I never said that thou , I did they aren't called out as much as they call out others personally avoid idiots and assholes, so the feminists I talk to align with my own ideals, as I think women should be free to fuck up as much as men are. Do you attribute women fuck up to women or to men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:55 PM
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deserve love and that they shouldn't be taken seriously Oh, so it's more just revenge because you identify with Jenny and think she should be alone like incels? Forrest Gump was a movie about broken people. It wasn't a Paint By Numbers morality screed. Yes. Jenny was not a healthy person - she was a tragic figure, which is why she died in the end. It wasn't supposed to be a "happily ever after" thing. This isn't even revenge, this is saying men shouldn't sacrifice themselves for someone who care…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:46 PM
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She can do what she wants but I am saying forrest should have higher standards, you would say the same thing to women dating men in the same situation because that is exactly what happens in cases like that , that they should strive for better and not settle ,, she can be allowed to find love , but it doesn't mean I would advice people to date her so yes she shouldn't be taken seriously , isn't this how people view incels thou that they don't deserve love and that they shouldn't be taken serious…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:23 PM
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That's not even the full definition but okay and again some believe being a feminist by proxy makes you a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:20 PM
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The question is who pedals this idea
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:35 PM
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First of all I wouldn't know that and 2nd what does that have to do with anything I just said
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:34 PM
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We hold this standard to men just not all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:10 PM
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We do that's exactly the point
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 11:06 AM
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Women are different but I think the issue you are having is that we tend use the metric of success with with women for both masculinity and morality even thou.it has nothing to do with either of those things
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 11:04 AM
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No but we can't separate which from which and people tend to conflate your success with women with your morality, this is exactly the kind of thinking that promotes incels because the idea is that they are incels because they are terrible people and they are misogynistic but we know shitty and misogynistic dudes who get tons of women , so why are assuming that is the reason these guys can't
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 11:00 AM
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And nothing you’ve said discredits that it’s still only doing damage to a person who’s already damaged, making them even less likely to ever recover. You seem to think this is a good thing? As “punishment” for her having bad boundaries with previous partners? I agree with him , they shouldn't take these people seriously at all, the idea feels like you are settling , it's like forest gump and jenny yes she had issues and in the end she ended up with forrest br forrest deserves someone way better …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:56 AM
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Both, racism is based on genetics and it is also learned , people fear people who are difference they might considered a difference in skin colour a defect which is why they assumed it was problem but then they way also taught to be hostile to defect which is why they consider it justified, but even that in itself is a response to your environment and it applies to almost any form of new development , the previous century weren't keen to being open minded , we will to kill twins because they wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:45 AM
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Honestly I don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:25 PM
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Then being allowed to be angry doesn't mean they are allowed to hurt people and in cases of Conservative families women so I don't agree with you on the idea thay this is encouraged
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:23 PM
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No I proceeded because if it used it based on biology , you would still be picking
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:24 PM
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Most men pursue most women , most women do not pick most men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:50 AM
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In this case he is right men pursue women decide who to accept
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:45 AM
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Yeah they would never go for that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:44 AM
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I don't know that's up to feminist and LGBTQ members to decide
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:39 AM
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I disagree with thr idea that nobody cares even if you don't manipulate them they hate the thought of dude simply wanting sex and nothing else to the point thay they consider it immature
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:22 AM
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Fwiw I think it’s likely a socialization problem and now you see a lot of parents raising little boys and encouraging them to express sadness and anger and affirming those feelings early on. Everyone blows their lid once in a while, I disagree I don't think men are encourage to express anger and sadness just more of stoicism, I think the anger is just allowed but in certain context not in every context
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:10 AM
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OK a healthy relationship can be apart and lack romance
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 11:48 PM
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They were not in a relationship, cooparent involves parent a child from difference places in different relationship, the only thing you have in common is the child
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 09:35 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 09:34 PM
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Mother and father cooperating and being in the kids life
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 08:48 AM
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A romantic relationship with the mother has nothing to do with the optimal environment to raise a child
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 07:59 AM
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You don't actually require a romantic relationship with the mother to be a parent
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 06:32 AM
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I agree completely
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 07:33 PM
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I don't think morality plays any role at all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:42 PM
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I agree with you but I hate this insidious idea that it's because men aren't emotionally Intelligent and they don't know how to connect that's why men are lonely and single even thou the gap with women loneliness isn't actually far off , I think they should be honest about the reasons why
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:41 PM
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Who cares
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:15 PM
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These men don’t just criticize women though they actually hate on them. Sorry but saying women shouldn’t be able to vote isn’t a criticism. You overstate how much this talking is used , I rarely hear it being brought even on this sub and it usually gets push back even by other RPillers They don’t like women having autonomy that’s the ultimate problem. If a woman chooses to marry, rather than having her father marry her off. Bad. If a woman chooses to be a sex worker. Bad. But when Tate is a pimp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:29 PM
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They are two separate things
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 01:11 PM
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the MRM, Father's Rights Movement, Intactivists, Etc. don't care about any of those 3 things at all. These aren't manospere froup these are MRA and I have seen them run charities and try to find solutions to these issue , they just don't get enough support to make decent changes They also get a lot of push back by feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:57 AM
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Here , this place is a place for discussions about redpillers blue pillers and even feminist , it used to discuss differing views and it doesnt even encompass all redpillers its one subdreddit , manospgere guys aren't much but they are more than this , feminist are even more than that why are you using this as your basis of judgement even thoh the engagement of each post isn't even up to 10% of the manosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 08:00 AM
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No the idea of a friendship is to hepp each , if your friend isn't helping you , it's not a friendship that's why I said immaterial things
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 07:57 AM
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The things people promote about redpillers most of the time are them talking about the most outrageous things they have done , no one ever promotes the times where they address law related issue or when they discuss issues with intellectuals on Important topics like Chris Williamson again these guys don't have alot of power or reach , infact the most of their promotions are from people who shit on them and those dudes do nothing as well but aside from that alot of them are traditionally masculin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 07:25 AM
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Irs a trade, he isn't paying money
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:16 AM
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I don’t do things for friends and expecting things in return. That would be weird. On the flip side my local bakery is charging me way too much for a croissant.. 😬 Depends these friends usually have to give something in return usually whether material or immaterial otherwise its not a friendship , its just leeching off someone
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:13 AM
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How , why is it icky how is it dishonest and coercive
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:12 AM
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How do you know they don't, how do you know they don't give to those charities or promote them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:17 AM
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The method he uses requires hin to be good with girls which is point , he is immoral yes but he is good with women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:16 AM
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Marriage is becoming less and less sustainable and orob relationship will follow
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 09:00 PM
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But there are charity for things like this people just don't donate to them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:46 PM
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Some do some don't but you overestimate how much power the redpillers have thou
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 07:14 PM
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I disagree , they only reason they started doing this us because feminist claim to offer a better framework and shut in anyone who doesn't do it their way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:37 PM
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That's bullshit , you absolutely need power and societal approval , the idea that you think there aren't people doing this already is the problem , there are but they dont gain traction , do you think there are men trying this there are and yet no one still cares , its not an excuse , it's an observation, no one would acknowledge its a problem so they see your effort as just doing more than necessary mens lib is a good example of this , this is a sub dedicated to male issue using a feminist fram…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:33 PM
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HOWEVER the manopshere is not in any way a "movement" to actually tackle these issues while some claim they are. The only thing I can credit them for is bringing some attention to their existence (not that these issues haven't been talked about outside of these online communities before but I digress). As far as actually doing anything productive to solve them?? NOTHING. First off the manospere is not a male advocate group it's specifically limited to 3 things , money fitness and girl, also in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:11 PM
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I don't think any of this is anything unique to redpill thou and I also there are people in real life who prescribe to these ideas and become better people in the end
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:45 PM
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Mens lib doesn't do that much either if we are being honest and their framework has more to do with ensure it doesn't negatively affect women than it helps men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:43 PM
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Some do some don't just like some women do and some women don't, the only way for this to go down is for men to focus on the advancement of men and boys regardless of how it affects women as long as it doesnt lead to anything illegal or immoral , it being uncomfortable for women is irrelevant , that's the exact strategy feminist make use and men should do the sa
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:42 PM
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Actually they do , the same applies to men in terms of feminist , in some aspects of helping men you would have to criticise women the problem is just like men , women see criticism as demonisation , the solution is for men to focus on the advancement of men and boys regardless of how it affects women as long as it doesnt lead to anything illegal or immoral , it being uncomfortable for women is irrelevant , that's the exact strategy feminist make use and men should do the same
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:39 PM
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So why does he get women and don't tell me he trafficks hem I get that , the issue is the method he used , the lover method requires him to be both appealing and good with women despite his reputation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:30 PM
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Exactly they aren't perfect but they pretend to be and while they care about women issues, they certainly don't care about men , and if that's they insist on claiming they do and they assert that every other person who talks about it outside of their frame work is wrong even they don't even talk about it that much and when they do , all they do most of the time is shit on dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:23 PM
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You keep misreading what I said , I said there are epeople who aren't particularly good conversationalist but it doesn't mean they are dumb and boring
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 02:29 PM
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Exactly here not in general
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 02:28 PM
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I am not downplaying the importance ,but the lack of it doesn't mean you are boring or unintelligent
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 07:35 PM
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I don't know man
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 06:25 PM
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I don't think it's s trigger but more that its usually said as a response to invalidate a topic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 06:21 PM
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Yea men would stop caring too much about sex and relationships and then stop putting women on a pedestal
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 06:19 PM
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The chibok girls incident in nigera , ignores the fact that there wee boys in that were slaughter and no one mentions them at all, the titanic where men had to give their positions and both to women and children, men haven't actually been treated well because they are the ones who took the most responsibility in most situation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/23 05:54 PM
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This might not be related but let's try , the basis of feminist patriachy argument ignores the idea that the patriachy wasn't made to benefit men but to ensure survival and by survival I mean survival not comfort , not right to life jusy being alive, people like yo use the moral compass and the intelligence of the present to judge the past, the reason men took charge in the past wasn't because they wanted to be trynical or to subjugate women at least not how I see it but because physical strengt…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/23 05:52 PM
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I didn't say this isn't case, even thou you can get a woman even if you don't have these things but I digress, all this does is just increase your chance it's not a guarantee and some dudes might not see it as worth so they decide to live minimally , and the standards have increase , women are now not using money to judge and school bring I a lot of debt, plus men are failling in schools and I don't think this is due to laziness because its happening at every level even in kindergarten so honest…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:28 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:44 PM
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It does
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:42 PM
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I agree it is pathetic i just don't care about the reasoning behind it , I see no reason for choosing to work less
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:33 PM
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Maybe for them they consider sex as enjoying life , its a but weak maybe but hey there are some people whose motivation is eating food
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:27 PM
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The comments here don't represent the majority of dudes or even women ,I also don't think most men are good conversationalist with women but being a good conversationalist isn't really a representation of intelligence or being boring, you can make something boring sound interesting if you are charismatic enough
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:27 PM
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That's fair I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:26 PM
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Ironically it doesn't because women haven't actually changed their methods of selecting men but men have and honestly I do think this is going to happen more and more , because the dudes who get women are I creasing leas interested in commited relationship since hook up culture exist and honestly I don't see that as a bad thing regardless, bt the pool of men is shrinking nit in terms of getting women but in terms of what women want from the men who are attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:24 PM
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Not necessarily they is no actually point to do more than necessarily for your comfort
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:12 PM
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I agree with you partially but honestly , I don't see this as a problem if dudes are working less because of this so , what's the actual problem, should they be working more, money doesn't necessarily mean bettering yourself or being a better person
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:04 PM
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OK if he didn't so
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:57 PM
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And honestly I don't see a problem with them not striving
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:53 PM
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I disagree that its because of the reasons you think , regardless I don't see thus as a bad thing because , men working less is actually a good thing , if they have more time to relax and chill then good
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:44 PM
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Lol maybe you just don't like Chad's
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:41 PM
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Not really most discussions dudes have , are more about hints like sports ,politics , video games, anime , games and like life issues compared to the ones shown I would say they talk about better stuff , most men aren't actually boring, because when talking to men you can be as unfiltered as you want
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:40 PM
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I disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:36 PM
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You are prob outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:34 PM
0

Ok like
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:33 PM
1

Ok how can they be chilvarous
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:29 PM
1

I have no issues with this and I agree , I also don't think hard-core feminist are going 50/50 most of them don't, that being said , I an not feeling hard done, I am si.ply saying to men that it's not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 07:34 AM
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Being a Chad doesn't mean you don't suffer , it means you can surpass and be successful
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:21 AM
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If that's what you are talking about, this isn't limited to Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:32 AM
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I am fine with as long as solution don't complain or whine a lit it later on
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:41 PM
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Lol I mean okay
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:37 PM
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Nah men also get treated badly, the reason women leave apps is because they can afford to because in real life they still get approached
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:36 PM
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Broken homes and fatherless homes has caused broken men that don’t value commitment. Men aren't broken because they don't value commitment, , just like women Not valuing commitment has one reason after another of why it’s a bad idea. Children absolutely need stability in a home. They need 2 parents, That can happen regardless because coparenting exists , a child can have both father and mother and live separately Casual sex is meaningless and apathetic. It never evolves to a higher standard or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:26 PM
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You being older than men doesn't really add to anything but how do they self destruct
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:22 PM
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I don't know why you consider this a revenge fantasy even thou it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:15 PM
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I agree I asked if there are women who think they do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:15 PM
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women have their fun and then complain about not getting dates in their 30s is absolutely real
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:36 PM
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you arent the only one who has this view
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 08:04 PM
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honestly most don't
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:58 PM
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the celebrate the ability to pull women , bit the act itself , because thats what is required to enter any relationsips
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:58 PM
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it is , they are just not encouraged to do that, i think realistically most men would rather have casual relationships and do co parenting than women , women on the other hand don't, the issue is no one is actually in the wrong here, men are not wrong for not wanting committed relationship , and women aren't wrong for wanting one , so how do we reconcile it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:57 PM
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depends on what the relationship entails in this case however then yes be single
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:38 PM
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so basically they see women outside of their country as less
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:20 PM
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so women don't think they deserve a rich handsome guy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:19 PM
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But not now the dude her simply stated they complain about not finding a guy in their 30s when they had plenty of time As for the 2nd part I agree and encourage more dudes not to
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:52 PM
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Why is it an L , if I may ask
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:46 PM
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I don't think it's all women but there are Lots of women like this and then they blame men for their dating hoes
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:45 PM
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No one said this , you are just reaching besides the women wanting gusy to pay isn't really something they are entitled to any more , I don't even know why it's still an expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:43 PM
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How you express yourself as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 10:59 PM
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Never said that, I said women validate masculinity but if you choose to self validate you have to display your masculinity regardless of how it affects women or how they feel about it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:08 PM
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Men have no issues being lonely literally the basis of "toxic masculinity " hinges on that which is why the more it's "removed: the more men exoress feelings of loneliness
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:02 AM
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but the first doesnt exists anymore
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 12:46 AM
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honestly , i dont think loniless is the issue, i think they want to feel desired
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:59 PM
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the reason that is the case is because in terms if attracting men , experience doesnt matter , thats not the case for women, because men need rizz to get women, they also need money which comes after a long period of time
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:39 PM
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masculinity is validated by women , feminity is validated by men , in some sense, women have learned how to not care about male validation men have not , the problem is , all attempts to get men not care about it will lead to a them not caring about what women think , and in process not value women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:36 PM
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i disagree, alot of people including women hate hasan, also if he is pulling its not because he is a leftist
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:52 PM
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you need tax money to pay for social amenities that help the community , you need to pay the workers that are giving you free healthcare, that is what tax is for because men work more, they work longer hours and they spend significantly less money, women are majority of the consumer based and also the more likely to receive government support and stimulus check than men, they are also more helped in non profits , they also have more social checks to help them, they also take more leave from work…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:51 PM
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it wasnt but non white men faired better than black women, its not as simple as they didnt want equality
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:31 PM
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The main reason i think women can work high paying jobs of today is because of modern tech and medicine, they did not have the physical strength and endurance to work as much as men before the industrial age and those job paid more because they were more dangerous and greatly advanced society , it was completely man power and not machine, not electricity , add this to the fact that they was more diseases and less remedy also less menstrual products, they bleed almost every month and then serious…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:28 PM
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the problem is most women expect this of men even men they dont have relationship with , even thou they arent owed this, or that in the reverse scenerio they would intervene in anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:02 PM
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i agree with this, in the idea that you are honest, but you shouldn't lie to them to get what you want, that being said , i think the basic point you should make is , it's not wrong if a dude simply wants a sexual relationship and women shouldn't have issues or see it as shallow that men overall don't want to a relationship and simply want to fuck , this does happen by the way, you can reject it but the idea that its seen as a bad thing to not want a committed relationship with women is very com…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:00 PM
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honestly i think it depends on the situation, i think the highest you are required to do is call the cops, but if you think it can lead to a compromise on your own safety then dont intervene, i think thahst fair , i expect dudes to help but not risk their life
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:56 PM
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i agree, i think men should going to the military
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:46 PM
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technically he is right, men pay more taxes than women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:45 PM
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explain please
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:43 PM
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and honestly screw them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:42 PM
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I don't think it determines what type of women you attract
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:23 PM
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of course, but people keep adding be a good person, i dont think morality matters in any capacity whether you are rich or poor
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:33 PM
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exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:20 PM
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OK so what is your point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:31 PM
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That was my point , my main point was that the damage terrible women cam do is u der estimate , they bounced with the idea that victim somehow disproves my point even how the victim valuing fo something say nothing about the morality of the victim
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:30 PM
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Exactly, they aren't scared
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:25 PM
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How do incels exist if women are so scared of rejecting men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:22 PM
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he says how do incels, they exist because women reject them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:16 PM
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the idea that women can be attacked for a bad rejection is true , but its not as common as if you reject and they leave
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:13 PM
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they dont get asked that, but they get asked why didnt they push the woman aside , or why cant you physically prevent her, how can a woman rape or even physically overpower you, why didnt you just leave there, some people both men and women even some feminist , believe men cant be rape, isnt this victim blame, even in situations of stealthing and bady traping where the dude used a condom and he was cut, the point would be why did you trust her , they absolutely victim blame men in rape and other…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:12 PM
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in general, to treat women well while not pedestalizing them. U I won't say treat women well but be likeable , there are alot of people I know thay treat girls like trash but get women easily this has nothing to do with treating women well
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 11:16 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 11:07 AM
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the stupid part about it , is the goal is not the redpillers arent looking for a meaningful relationship they are looking for a relationship, whether good or bad, and the logic make sense, blue pillers look at the conclusion, i cant even start, and you are giving advice on how to endl thats why alot of men also listen to andrew , he might be a shitty person and disgusting waste of space but considering he used the lover boy method , he knew how to attract women, so either , he is lying, women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:59 AM
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you are a troll , you know your example doesnt track, you are just saying BS to keep trolling,
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:54 AM
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but its irrelevant to the conversation because prescribe victim blaming to lack of empathy , this has nothing to do with how bad of a person a woman can be, you haven't give a reason to state that it is not underestimated
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:50 AM
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i said it was possible and that people downplay how bad women can be in terms of being terrible you disagree, why
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:31 AM
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funny enough there is a logic to it but, let me humour you, lets say you are right what does this have to do with underestimating how shitty women can be
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:27 AM
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ok fair , but what is the logic behind it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:21 AM
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why do people victim blame
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:19 AM
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why do people blaming the rape victim for their rape, is it because they believe the victim is a bad person for being raped , or because they think the person could have prevented their rape, i also love how you didnt actually address my point or see that i said its not justified, but the context isnt about whether they are shitty people or not
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:16 AM
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you arent getting his questions
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:10 AM
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honestly , i dont think this is common as people make it seem, it happens but do you know women are actually at the most danger in relationships , and not with strangers
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:07 AM
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dont outright be blunt, start with a mundane conversation and build up, and if you see interest then move from there, also you have to accept that you will make women uncomfortable, even if you arent doing anything wrong, i think there is a fear of making a woman uncomfortable is something men have to accept and just go with , as long as you leave when she outright say it then it shouldnt be an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:04 AM
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blaming rape victim for their own rape is not in context to morality but on preventive measure, because believe it or not, you don't deserve to be a victim but you can take steps to be preventive, it deosnt justify the victim blaming but it applies to everyone, they victim blame everyone in almost any criminal situation , even in a domestic violent situation for men , they will tell the dude, walk away, you are the victim , even in terms of rape they victim blame men but i digress . ​ my point i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:46 AM
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ironicly enough , there was a stat that someone posted here that showcased that women had less leisure time, the weird part about the stat is that overall men worked more and this accounts for house work as well , the had almost as much house work as women , i think alot of the things women do during liesure they count it as work , which would make sense why they would also discount the idea that men also do house work , just not the ones they value
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:26 AM
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and they also dont want men to be fully in charge od the houshold either,
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:22 AM
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the problem is women complain about the fact that men dont help around the house even when he is bringing in majority of the money, the idea that men choosing not to help around is still socially accepted is actually not true
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:20 AM
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but it is posible, again people like to understate how women can be shitty
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:17 AM
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thats actually not true, its fairly equal, its just the criticism women give men in terms of their dating choices are seen as justifies , the things women complain about when pick different women or dont even approach them is usually absurb but well because its women, like based on age, race, skin colour, economic status , height weight body count, if a dude chooses to date based on these requirement even when there is no actually complain alot of women , find issue with this, even thou , in rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:33 PM
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not necessarily, women aren't the most danger in dating, but in relationship, most of the people that are violent to women, are usually intimate partners or family members, not strangers, not people they are trying to date, but people they have already dated, most men are relatively safe on trial, the typical stalker is actually not as common , its more of fear mongering and well don't take any chances, the issue , this also applies to men , just relatively less , date rape and stalking happens …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:17 PM
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There is nothing wrong with them, the issue is these women tend to blame men for their dating woes , even those its usually their faults and not on men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:24 AM
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ok and
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:10 AM
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not neccesaary , its genuinely seen as socially unacceptable , more so by women than by men, if women had no issues with it , men wont care, some might but they would still pay
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:09 AM
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in all honesty, i call BS, if you cant find a guy who wants a commited relationship thats on you, you have options use it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:55 AM
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the physical safety thing isn't really a dating advantage but a general advantage, in terms if dating specifically i wouldn't count that as a advantage or risk because it can happen regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:49 AM
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first all women advice for contradicts how they react when that advice is done in practice, plus half ot the time they dont follow, they also like to tell men to aim lower if they are getting rejected, they would never do it, they would also find it disrespectful if a man did that to them, and then hate when men dont ask them out because they assume she wouldnt accept them because of their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 11:49 AM
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The have a low threshold for friends as well because men don't have e that many friends , especially female , as much as women like to parrot thus talking point of men and women can be friends most women don't actually want to befreind most men, they want to befriend men they like , it ta harder to make friends with someone outside your gender than it is to make with people within that gender because men and women relate differently
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:37 PM
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They are , men have a very low threshold for who they would have sex with , who they date hou requires more time thou
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 05:31 AM
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Friends are hard to make , female friends are harder specifically for men because the dynamics are different first for them to like you , you have to have done something that touched them seriously, known them from the beginning or be extremely handsome , they have to be slightly attracted to you , the idea that women just want to be friends with men or animal and uts so easy is BS , and men see that most of it is BS , most women don't want to be friends with most men they want to be friends wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 05:24 AM
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they arent lying , they just dont know what they are attracted by, in hindsight you can say that yes i want a good person and i want to date the best person i can date, the question is what attracts you not what you want to be attracted by , and women tell men what they want to be attracted by not what they are attracted by
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:30 PM
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i dont think black pillers elevate fuckboys , i think women elevate fuck boys more than black pillers do , and there is a very simple reason why
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:27 PM
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I don't know, the concept is bad, using it for porn, I am indifferent, it's basically copying and pasting someone face to someone else body, if you put a disclaimer that its fake then honestly, not that big of a deal, posting it online is weird and in some way sexual assault. but like its not direct , its Akeen to sexual comments being made for you can say that it should be consented to and i would agree with that, and if its a deep fake of a sex worker, it has more to do with pirating than like…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:01 PM
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honestly, while its a big deal and concerning , its not as big of a deal as people are making it , its not harmless, but i think this is an over exaggeration, its essentially the same as if a look alike does porn or catoon porn that designed after someone popular , or a sexualized drawing of you fucking, in retrospect its only bad because it can fuck up your identity and reputation , depending on how it used and if there is no disclaimer, , the gay one personally, i don't think most men would ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:47 PM
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ok what does glance have to do with self control
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 03:28 PM
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nah its not only young women, pretty sure there are late 20s women who do this as well
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 03:21 PM
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no he is not, the reason he calls women out more is because the people who mostly film at the gym are women not men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 03:20 PM
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yeah but religious communities had both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:23 PM
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>Then there’s the little issue that men NEVER can just leave women and their spaces alone. You know as soon as news spread, men would be trying to infiltrate nonstop in order to harass the women in this community. Anything from claiming to be trans women to full-scale violent attacks, I can see it happening. well to take their resources yes, but not to conquer the state, crime is going to exist regardless, even in a male only group, if women lack resources they would go to men to get them, the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:45 AM
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but they are usaully very rural and they have very little population , there is also the fact that in retrospect , they are actually very helped by modern society, hey arent self sufficient , they get their money from other cities and security from men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:39 AM
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men would, literally women considered men leaving them out of things as a problem, men aren't actually going out of their way to enter women's spaces but women like men spaces thou
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:34 AM
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because it's not possible, men are required for labor and let's be honest, the only thing that brings women together is men, if men weren't a threat to women, women would fight each other, lesbians prove that, also not all women are good people, and everyone is competitive. even women, inequality will always exist, sex work won't be a thing so you can't fall back on it and that's how a lot of women make money, security, they would also have to be ready to do a lot of manual labor, now they might…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:17 AM
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I agree but sometimes even in terms of genuine criticism women can't tell the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:32 PM
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You've never heard of Samaritans or Movember movement? Do you live under a rock? 😆 they're doing actually real work for men's health, not selling lies and fantasies to men at the expense of women's rights and safety and men's mental health. That's the thing I don't and I havent heard of it meaning they aren't doing a good job of selling themselves , mind you I just researched them and they are mainly in UK , new Zealand, Australia and Ireland, and they don't do alot of promotion, you are doing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 09:38 AM
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