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I agree—obsessing about it is silly, because you can never really know anyway. It's better to pay attention to how she treats you. However, I also think that a relationship will likely fail if there's a big enough gap in physical attractiveness between the husband and the one that got away—unless the woman is very grounded and isn't prone to fantasizing, which is rare (as is a guy who isn't pron-brained).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:58 PM
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I'm not interested in dating at the moment, and I don't need to be the hottest guy a woman's been with (because I know that's impossible anyway). Marrying a woman at my age would be ridiculously dumb IMO. But you responded to a guy who does care whether women hooked up with "Chad," so I figured it's worth bringing up. Most women aren't going to marry men who are anywhere near the hottest men they've been with. Those types of men are wanted by all women and can commit to the hottest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:42 PM
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Ok, but average-looking women (the vast majority of women) can hook up with men who are significantly more physically attractive than the men who are willing to marry them (in most cases). Any hookup app will demonstrate that. For average-looking men, the opposite tends to be true IME. The women I've had serious, stable LTRs with were way more attractive than any woman I can hook up with. It's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:15 PM
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Of course, if she makes every guy wait, then every guy is being treated equally, so there is no relative disrespect towards one man compared to another. There's absolutely no reason to expect this type of behavior in a secular culture where female promiscuity is seen as empowering. The hot man is often worth the risk by default. The non-exceptional man (i.e., the vast majority of men at their peak) must demonstrate that he's worth the risk Honestly, at a certain point, we all know whether or not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:23 PM
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For me, a mixture of curiosity (always been interested in human behavior), entertainment, and a desire to have my views challenged (though I've realized that most here aren't exactly engaging with you in good faith). I've been visiting this place from the beginning, going back to the decade that I was in LTRs. .why are you dwelling in a space most women would be put off by LOL. Who cares? It's an online forum. Women are put off by a lot of things (including my face).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:03 PM
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You might be attractive enough to do that, but most people aren't particularly physically attractive, tall, or wealthy. There's quite a bit between "better than nothing" and "my first choice."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 07:27 PM
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An average-looking person (i.e., the vast majority of people) is likely not going to be anyone's first choice. Why would any person who's not stunningly gorgeous or handsome (and in the case of men, also tall, wealthy, etc.) expect to be anybody's first choice? Settling for nothing less than someone who loves you and cherishes you is reasonable IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:05 PM
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I'm a man. When it comes to romance, I don't engage in any behavior. I've been with two women my entire life (both LTRs) and haven't bothered dating in 5 years (and likely never will again). I'm very picky (not about looks), and this severely limits my already limited options. Most men who behave like me are bred out of the gene pool, even if some of our physical traits are above average, as women are very picky as well. Nature selects against men like myself. Meanwhile, it selects for men who a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:55 AM
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It's neither good nor bad. Men evolved to have lower standards. If men had women's standards, humans would probably be on the brink of extinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:40 AM
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I'm not into cults. I let individuals show me who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 02:19 PM
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it’s always the most misogynistic men and misandrist women spewing it No, there are plenty of sex positive men and women who are misogynistic/misandrist. Sex negativity isn’t itself sexist, but it’s bigotry adjacent. Which is meaningless, because you determine what's "bigotry adjacent" according to you. Nobody else cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:57 PM
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Again, you're making assumptions about double standards. not a physical quality that their body is responding to physically Physical qualities are not the only qualities that people respond to physically. The sexist part is believing that men and women’s value is inversely affected by sex. None of this applies if the man holds himself to the same standards and is attracted to a woman who shares his views on intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:43 PM
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Good point, and choosing not to date due to differences in views would be just as valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:16 PM
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Maybe he wants someone with similar experience, similar views on intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:08 PM
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My bad. He was responding to a person who made those claims. That said, it's perfectly reasonable to feel that your lifestyles are incompatible to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:07 PM
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Your position just got even more absurd. Just because you're not attracted to someone doesn't mean you think they're "bad." If a woman doesn't find a 5'1" man attractive, and she doesn't want to grant him access to her body or life, it doesn't mean she thinks he's bad, and it doesn't mean it's hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:05 PM
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Maybe he's not attracted, for whatever reason, and prefers someone who's similar to himself. That doesn't make him a sexist. And it doesn't mean he's holding a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:59 PM
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That doesn't even make sense. Basically, if he's not attracted to the same type of woman you are, he's sexist (even though he's still attracted to people of the same sex who behave differently). Pure brainrot. The reason most of them even explain themselves (they shouldn't BTW) is that people like you start lobbing insults. You're also assuming a double standard when he might have the same standards for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:52 PM
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Feeling pain isn't a choice. Holding resentment is a choice. Building up walls that nobody can break through is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:54 PM
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theres no magical way to make you become a playboy chad if youre unattractive physically and your personality is too Unless a man is a 10, he shouldn't expect to "bed 10s" without effort. Personality helps, but only to a certain extent. Most dating advice isn't useless IMO, but either way it has to be paired with the man having to learn how to live with rejection and stepping out of his comfort zone (if he feels like the possible outcome is worth more than being single to him). We all know what …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:23 PM
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Who is “most people?” People who fit within the average range, which means they're likely a fat person (indicative of poor self-control and delayed gratification) who's very influenced by social media (at least in the US). That reads like some “all women bad” rhetoric. No, that's your interpretation. IMO, both sexes do it. A small chunk of women and men actually care about finding a good "partner." I wouldn’t have children with someone if I didn’t feel like we could take care of said children fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:16 AM
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Sure, but a lot of young women nowadays aren't even having kids within stable relationships. Also, if a woman actually wants a good "partner" (and not just a means to an end), a man's current salary isn't necessarily the most important aspect to look for when it comes to long-term support (though his intelligence, work ethic, and passion play a role). It's just that most people don't really want a "partner"; they want someone they can use to boost their ego and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 12:50 AM
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Objectively, I don't know. Perhaps? But I can only speak for myself (with my own biases). It's impossible to nail this down, because I know IRL we would've already discussed it by year 2. Expectations would be set, so there would be no need for her to worry about proposing by then (as I'd already be planning it). Also, I wouldn't even consider marriage if she couldn't give me a healthy family, as in my eyes, legal marriage means stability for the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:08 PM
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It depends. In my 20s, when I was fully committed to building a family, I would've found it weird, but in a really good, endearing way. I would've been flattered—because a) I know she has the illusion of endless options, and b) I know how badly the average young woman seeks to protect her ego. It would've strengthened my desire to bond with her. However, if we're both in our mid-to-late 30s and have been dating for less than a couple of years (not sure what you mean by "a while"), it would come …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:28 PM
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You're attempting to argue with people whose selves are completely wrapped up in their ideologies (mostly due to a weak sense of self). Therefore, they perceive any legitimate criticism of their preferred ideology to be a personal attack against them. No ideology in this flawed world is anywhere near perfect. If someone's incapable of criticizing an ideology they closely align with, they're in a cult. This sub is full of cult members of all types, some of whom spend large portions of their days …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:04 PM
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Uh, yeah—if she's going out half-naked, it's time for a talk. I wouldn't get with a woman like that, and I'd consider leaving if she started to do so, as that's a blatant red flag. If I started dressing like shit, should I be surprised when she has a negative opinion about it? Should I be surprised when she leaves me for dressing in a manner that she finds off-putting? Dafuq.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:11 PM
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I think a lot of men that are incels are incels because they won't lower their standards. They could always go lower, but "those women" (insert offensive slurs) don't exist to them. They can't accept that "those women" are an appropriate pairing for them in the state they they are currently in as men. Why would any man or woman pair with someone they find unattractive? People get together because they're attracted to each other. It's not your "appropriate pairing" if you're not attracted to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 03:35 AM
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Sure, some will find decent men. However, I've seen plenty of ugly men married to objectively attractive women as well. The average ugly man isn't as lucky (or attractive in other ways). There aren't an infinite number of attractive, sane, driven men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:50 AM
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According to what? Morgan Stanley projects that 45% of women 25-44 will be childless and single by 2030 (not the majority), but they're counting "unmarried" as "single." A lot of women are in committed relationships but not married, and a lot of women are in short-term relationships. Marriage requires the man to propose.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:51 AM
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Not all, especially among the ones that rarely comment. And a few are just temporarily angry/hurt. But some of the biggest posters are clearly Dark Triad types.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:17 AM
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Attractive, warm, fit, grounded women often get sex and commitment from attractive, tall, masculine, fit men with good jobs. Just admit that the type of man you want is rare and exceptional, and only a small percentage of women will ever get it. And the type of woman those men tend to want is rare and exceptional. If you can't become that woman, deal with it. There's no gender war. Winners will continue to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:06 PM
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They're not boycotting shit anyway. This is histrionic-esque nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 02:43 AM
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A giant chunk of women can't even figure out how to get commitment from a man with a sense of honor and a well-paying job before letting a deadbeat hit it raw. I wouldn't count on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:54 AM
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Sure, but just because someone wouldn't be alright with this doesn't mean they're drowning in insecurities about everything. First, we don't know anything about this "guy" besides what he presents online. Second, we don't even know if he's actually a guy or if he actually has a fiancee. Third, someone who is secure wouldn't be posting this on multiple subreddits, asking other people for their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:42 PM
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I never said they shouldn't have hope. However, the ones who succeed come to understand that it requires an entirely new lifestyle, brutal honesty/accountability, and diligence. It's not a set-it-and-forget-it type of thing out of the gate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:46 PM
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Sure, we all can do that through persistence, but most people will fail to shake long-term habits. Novelty and butterflies hit the dopamine system fast and hard. Solitude doesn't. To be happy alone, you have to get good at practicing delayed gratification and learn how to regulate your emotions without relying on instant dopamine highs from other people. IMO, people who seek novelty and butterflies tend to have a certain baseline temperament to begin with. Years of "training" just strengthen tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:29 PM
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I agree—it doesn't just apply to women. That said, I never claimed that it did. I was referring to human beings in general. We're the sum of our habits, which are tough to break (especially the ones we fall back on during challenging periods).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:46 PM
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There's a lot of gray area in between. Not everyone wants to be a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:45 PM
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if you are looking for someone who won't cheat, then you should look at the amount of cheating they did Again, this is impossible to ascertain. You're relying on the word of a liar (a cheater). She's not incentivized to tell you the truth, and there's no Hoefax. if you want to be in a LTR you look if they were able to commit to someone in the past Right. If I'm looking for someone who is likely to value long-term relationships, then I'm seeking someone who a) has a history of stable long-term re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:49 PM
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I hope they run away for the lack of logic lol What's illogical is expecting a liar to tell you the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:29 PM
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It's all good. But even that dude didn't claim that every high n-count person is a cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:20 PM
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Is this in the Red Pill bible somewhere? And what does that have to do with me or what I wrote (especially considering that I'm not even a Red Piller)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:47 PM
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Not every sex positive, high n-count person is a cheater. I'd love for you to quote exactly where I claimed that everyone with a high n-count is a cheater. If you're not willing to address my points in good faith, we have nothing to discuss. Let's not waste time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:46 PM
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So we agree about habits? Cheaters are liars, so I wouldn't necessarily get an accurate picture of a cheater's past. That's like politely asking a criminal to turn in all of their guns. I'm better off observing how a woman reacts when expressing my views about promiscuity in general. Wasting time is pointless. I'm looking for an equally yoked relationship. I'd rather invest in a person who hasn't spent years training themselves to see casual sex as a reliable source of comfort, pleasure, excitem…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:29 PM
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As criminal and drug recidivism rates demonstrate, habits are hard to break. They rewire your brain. If you spend years training yourself to seek novelty and butterflies, that's going to have long-term effects in many cases. Pretty much anybody can find a long-term partner if they're willing to settle. That doesn't really say much about fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:39 PM
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Congrats—but I said "not all." I know ugly guys who are in happy marriages with conventionally attractive women as well. I don't think most ugly dudes can pull that off, though. And your 10th guy? A couple of the women I know probably go through at least 10 men a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:52 PM
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I'm talking about two types: women who I know for a fact were loose, and women who had an endless line of "serious" boyfriends. I don't know many women with substance issues, to be honest—aside from a couple of alchies (maybe). I was never close to druggies, and I grew up in a conservative area. I'm not saying all of them ended up being train wrecks, but most of them did. I don't think those who chase novelty and thrills make for good long-term partners most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:18 PM
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Yeah, I'm in my mid-30s, and most of the 304s I know are absolute train wrecks. Also, I don't think that merely being married and having kids means that you're in a high-quality, loving relationship. Any woman can get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:34 PM
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As usual, men don't deserve any empathy Y'all post this type of blatantly misandrist shit and expect young dudes to take you seriously and see you as the reasonable side? LOL. FOH.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 02:00 PM
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Yes, you're stating the obvious for those who see it as immoral behavior, like me. However, that means nothing to someone who doesn't share your moral framework. It's on you to do whatever you can to avoid it. As I said, it's not going to stop. In many cases, it provides a useful learning experience for those who are actually paying attention and willing to admit their mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:40 PM
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Being willing to play the part of a romantic person yearning life long commitment Yeah, this happens on both sides. Human nature, at its core, is rotten. Welcome to reality. Many men use women; many women use men. Finger wagging isn't going to make it all go away. It's up to you to pay close attention to how much the other person is actually investing in the relationship. The other person isn't "doing all the right things." You're just choosing to overlook the negatives and prioritizing the wron…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:24 PM
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This isn't about deserving anything. Other people can choose to give you much more than that, and you can choose to give more to others. I don't know what caused you to be so full of spite, but you're creating your own hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:42 PM
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So you've adopted the mentality of an entitled brat? Nice. Humility, warmth, and gratitude—without those, what's left for a man of high character to love?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:13 PM
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I know a handful of average/ugly men who have that and a lot of good-looking men who don't. Finding the type of person I'd want to share a life with has less to do with looks and more to do with luck and looking in the right place. But I'm not holding my breath. And yes you owe women everything inside and out. LOL. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:35 PM
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I'd love to find a fit, sane, warm (feminine), childless woman who shares my values and is actually attracted to me. I would be more than happy to uphold my side of the bargain for her. I thought I had that in the past; knowing what I know now, it's probably not gonna happen, but never say never. You owe them everything. I don't owe the average woman a damn thing. She's not my mother. She hasn't done anything for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:04 PM
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Sure. But most don't qualify for a serious relationship with physically attractive, smooth, sincere, successful men However, if they admitted they don't qualify for a serious relationship with those men, they'd be admitting that they're not as attractive as they say they are. In reality, they can't compete. Instead of acknowledging their shortcomings and working to better themselves, they spend all day online shitting on/rage-baiting men they see as losers (who are often a decade or more younger…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:27 PM
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And many men want the same. However, the average woman doesn't have purer intentions than the average man. A lot of women only want validation, status, and money from men, just like a lot of men only want validation and sex from women. And plenty of women just want hot men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:22 AM
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Again, not what I said. We have nothing to talk about because you're programmed to repeat the same nonsense (and apparently can't read).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:27 PM
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Feminists ignoring the suffering of average men throughout history doesn't change the fact that it happened either. You don't have to take women's historical suffering That's not what I said. I can't take feminist nonsense seriously. Average people were always treated like shit. The feminist narrative is that average men had it easy compared to women. It's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:37 PM
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I'd rather be at home than working in terrible conditions (just to die at a young age) or being viewed as cannon fodder. My great-grandfathers on both sides did the same. None of those men abused their wives. I can't take modern feminist nonsense seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:22 AM
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You don't have to remind anyone to do that. Average men were always work horses and cannon fodder. My grandpa (I'm from Eastern Europe) fought in a war and worked in the mines (where most of his 5+ brothers died) while my grandma was "oppressed" at home. On an individual level, this is the best time for both average men and average women (in the West), and neither seem to appreciate it. We're as free as we've ever been, and likely as free as we're ever going to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:27 PM
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Vibes. If she seems like she won't, then why bother? Maybe she comes off as entitled or high-maintenance. Maybe she behaves selfishly while interacting with you or others. Maybe she seems inauthentic/untrustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:27 PM
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It depends on the man. In a lot of cases, probably. Personally, I wouldn't give a promiscuous woman flowers or do that romantic nonsense with her, no matter how hot she is (and I doubt she'd appreciate it anyway). I can't fake it, and I don't have the patience to try. The woman has to be aligned with my values and "worth it." For me, it comes down to values, emotional warmth, and chemistry. Looks do play a part in the sense that I don't think I could fall for a slob who doesn't take care of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:10 PM
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If you seek validation and admiration from others, you don't love yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:38 PM
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It's not worth much to the average person, sure. However, self-control typically leads to better outcomes than impulsivity in the long run. Being a kind-hearted man, on its own, is worth absolutely zero on the dating market as well. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing, though—far from it. There's just a lot more to it than that, and you have to accept that a lot of people are broken and crave instability.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:51 AM
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That's not what I said, that's what you're saying. They're "losers" for being with their matches. What makes their marriages "shit?" Because they're not hot? People who partner up with decent, attractive people with good self-control are winners in my view—and they're rare. If someone wants to settle for being unattractive, indecent, and impulsive, that's on them. However, I think a person who aims to be anything less than their best self (and puts up with indecency and a lack of self-control in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:09 AM
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Most people mate assortatively. There is evidence that bears this out. Yes, that's what I said: Winners win, and losers lose. Most people are in shit marriages. Most people are overweight (have poor self-control). I have no idea why you're telling me this. If you want to soapbox get a blog Because you're talking nonsense. There's no reason for us to accept that it's the case for all women. Not all women sleep around. Some women are significantly better than others. A decent man has no reason to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:43 AM
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There's no need to accept that it's the case for all women, as not all women sleep around or sleep with "toxic" men. But many men can accept that it's the case for the majority of women in this cultural environment (or, at the very least, a non-negligible chunk of them). In reality, the few decent, attractive women with self-control will continue shacking up with the few decent, attractive men with self-control. Everybody else loses in the long run—some much more than others. Do what it takes to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:45 AM
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Ah, you're not American—my apologies. But, yeah, I was talking about the American South. The fuel costs in LA are insane compared to ours. Where I live, gas is almost two dollars cheaper per gallon than in LA right now. That said, I was born in Eastern Europe (and just got back from a very long visit there a few years ago), so I know how bad fuel costs are on that side of the pond. The housing prices were pretty bad in the urban areas there too. I remember this shitty house near the main road (w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:19 PM
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I live in a small or mid-sized city in the South, and 4 times the median salary is about right for a three-bedroom home in a decent neighborhood here. 11x the median salary is bonkers. However, I have an old friend who now lives in LA, and that seems to be the case for him (which is even worse considering fuel costs).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:18 PM
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It's time for American Zoomer men to pursue overweight women who have dozens of men in their phones, and dedicate years towards landing a job in the future that will likely be handed to AI or someone from another country. And they can look forward to renting their home forever. I can see how that's a tough sell. And I can see how women aren't exactly excited to get with passive men either, but anyone with common sense could've seen this coming. Incentives—they're just not there for many.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:29 PM
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I'm a naturalized citizen. Many of my family friends brought their spouses from overseas, and it took them years (and a lot of paperwork) to do so. There's a process. It's very clear. Follow it or GTFO. When my family came to the US legally (with green cards) during Clinton's second term, my parents were told that they'd be sent back if they even asked about applying for benefits. I'm for granting amnesty to those who were brought here as kids and are now hard-working adults without criminal rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:44 PM
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Having to be a rock for a woman who's an emotional roller coaster is one of the biggest reasons why I don't want a relationship right now. It's draining. Relationships are mostly "emotional labor" IME. Not all women are like that, obviously, but most of them are (especially the ones who are single at my age). I see it with my friends and family. Only a very mature, self-actualized woman is appealing to me on that level, and those are very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:28 PM
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I definitely wasn't rich. Most men in their 20s are far from rich. I was in my last semester of college when I met her, but I graduated as the top undergrad in my school a few months later. Actually, my ex made more money than me during that relationship (which lasted 6+ years), though I helped her land her job (and keep it). I don't consider myself to be a particularly funny dude, no. My friends think I'm funny, but that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:41 PM
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Because they really liked my personality and thought I was stable and sweet? One of my exes called me cute and kissed me every day for years while writing in her journal that she found me physically unattractive. She really tried to make things work. (I find that smart women are great at faking enthusiasm.) Anyway, my point is that average-looking women can get with much more attractive men outside of LTRs, whereas for average-looking men, the opposite is true. To me, it's obvious which one is m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:09 PM
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Yeah, I'm not talking about hunks. I'm talking about fairly attractive men with a few shortcomings. Most women can't get commitment and a stable LTR from those men either. I doubt any woman I've been in a LTR has found me cute (in fact, I know one definitely didn't). I damn sure wasn't their type based on their celebrity crushes. But, again, the women I can land LTRs with are much more attractive than any woman I can get outside of that. Unlike women, I'm not getting attention/validation from at…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:54 PM
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I disagree. The opposite is true IME. Data shows that a small percentage of women are single at any given time—and most are not with handsome, fit men, as those men are rare. Most women can get more attractive men for short-term relationships, so they often feel like they're settling for what they get in long-term relationships. The women I can get for a long-term relationship are more physically attractive than the women who'd be willing to be with me without commitment. Men who crave variety m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:13 PM
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So when you say “every hobby group and event is a sausage fest,” that’s true, but it’s not just because women are at home swiping. It’s also because a non-trivial percentage of men have been radicalized by the online manosphere into believing that showing up to salsa class, co-ed sports, volunteering, church, whatever, is “cope” or “beta” or pointless unless you’re already a 9/10. This part doesn't make sense to me. If they are sausage fests now, how will they become less so when more men show u…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:00 PM
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That's why a man has to make himself better than most men if he wants a high-quality life. This applies to everything, not just romantic relationships. And a very attractive, sweet woman's beauty rarely fades if she takes care of herself (especially not at 30). It's mostly average women whose leverage tends to fall off a cliff from 30 to 45, as they become giant liabilities to any man worth a shit (much of it by their own doing); even then, it tends to happen gradually, not when they hit a speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:20 PM
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No question, it was the body I had when I was doing bodybuilding in my early 20s: giant chest, thick biceps and triceps, and a wide upper back. I wasn't on the level of competitors or anything, but I was way too big for my frame. I had to force myself to eat throughout the day, and my training sessions would last 1-2 hours. Had I maintained that lifestyle, even as a natural, I probably wouldn't have lived to see 60. It was so unhealthy. I'm 6'1". My natural frame holds about 178-184 lbs at 10-12…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:24 PM
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Nothing at the moment—but in my 20s, my goal was to build a family/life with one awesome person. I overlooked red flags and let my ego guide me, and that bit me in the ass. Once my bite/palate is fixed (and then my dorsal hump is reduced), I'll give it one more go with a woman in her late 20s or early 30s, but it's probably not going to be the same. I expect it to be a lot more transactional and a lot less lovey-dovey than it was in my 20s (though maybe that's for the best). I think I've develop…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:52 PM
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So? Only a people-pleaser cares about the opinions of degenerates whom they don't respect. If I'm going to listen to another adult give me advice, it's going to be someone I look up to (or trust), not some coomer without self-control, common sense, or foresight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 05:50 PM
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That's not the same thing, though. And what's "high" to one man might not be "high" to another. What's too "short," "broke," or "ugly" to one woman might not be too "short," "broke," or "ugly" to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:02 AM
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In this exchange, nobody other than you mentioned anything about virgins. If an individual is not attracted to someone for a certain reason, they don't need to talk themselves into being attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:50 AM
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I'm not the same guy, but if I were forced to choose, I'd take the first. That said, it's a dumb question. Why pick either when you can just look for someone cool who shares your values? There might be nothing wrong with a hypothetical 5'5" dude, but a woman doesn't have to date him just because he has a personality she likes. The height may be a dealbreaker for her; ultimately, it's up to the individual to decide who they want to share their life with (if they wish to do so at all). You're prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:38 AM
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I'm legitimately happy when I see a "good," handsome man who has a beautiful, kind wife (and a family) who treats him with respect. I wish we rewarded those people. So, no—not at all. I don't care about not being picked. Being chosen by (and choosing) the average woman in this culture is not a win IMO. If a man over 30 commits to an average woman in the West, whatever comes from that decision is his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:13 PM
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I don't know if you can read this (or whether you were being sarcastic), as you seem to have deleted your account. We probably disagree on a lot of things politically, judging by what I've seen you post (as well as your old flair), but I think you're an extremely rational, intelligent, and sharp young man—for whatever it's worth coming from me. Truly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 04:22 AM
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Yeah, because it isn't attractive in most cases. Women aren't any better than men. Very, very few women are actually emotionally mature. Very few of them can recognize the dangers of giving in to their passions. (There's a reason why we used to go through great efforts — through the use of realism disguised as myth — to keep all of this behavior in check. In many ways, human nature is revolting, and a lot of people can't keep it together without guidance.) Emotional maturity isn't attractive on …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:02 PM
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Okay but what are you basing this on then? Are we moving away from the discussion about movies and books? Since there are many popular books about tall, handsome, non-sadistic guys. Much more than books about tall, handsome sadistic guys. I'm basing this on the trash that litters the front page of Amazon. I just looked it up and a very large percentage of the audience is above 18. The average audience age (in the cinema) is 34. Sure, I enjoyed The Hunger Games books at 20 (actually found out abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:18 PM
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Do women want poor, low-status guys with cancer or rich sadistic crazy guys? They want tall, handsome, rich, sadistic guys who worship them (and only them). IMO the heart-warming story is appealing to certain women in some ways, as it makes them feel like good people. But that doesn't mean they're not fantasizing about the tall, handsome, rich, sadistic guy when thinking dirty thoughts. And Hunger Games is YA. It's not relevant to this discussion. I wouldn’t say a woman having liking wealthy or …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:25 PM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/books/fifty-shades-grey-was-best-selling-book-decade-n1105731 The data was from a market research company named The NPD Group (now Circana). Again, we're not talking about a book that sold well for a short period because it performed well within a certain niche. We're talking about the best-selling books in the United States for an entire decade. I don’t see how that has anything to do with the patriarchy? Sure, take tall and handsome out of it (though OP ment…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:56 PM
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Except it was the most popular book of the decade. Clearly, it hit the spot. Also, the go-to example of the dream man from literature that many more 'refined" women use is Mr. Darcy, who was described as tall, handsome, and high-status (but the author was a Christian woman, so she had to keep it tame).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:44 PM
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which is not to say it doesn’t exist. It’s just not as popular as you make it seem You're downplaying it quite a bit. Fifty Shades of Grey was the best selling book of the 2010s. A book can't really get more popular than that. 365 Days, the movie based on the book, dominated the Netflix top 10 for a large part of 2020. (My ex was friends with a well-off woman who left her husband and planned a trip to Italy after watching that movie. That's the only reason I even heard about it.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:25 PM
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Yeah, fat dudes. Just exercise and eat well. If a man can't do that much, I don't know what to tell him. If you live like a normal human being—from before this clown-world lifestyle was normalized—you won't have as much of a testosterone issue. I'm saying it's avoidable. It's not in the genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:00 PM
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For fatties and idiots who juiced their testicles into peanuts, maybe. The decline in testosterone with age isn't even that drastic if you control for obesity. The real issue is that the average 40-year-old dude is fat and has eaten hyperpalatable slop for at least 10-20 years (if not his entire life). If you eat well, sleep well, exercise, manage psychological stress, and stay away from booze, andropause ain't beginning at 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 03:21 AM
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Conscientiousness, inquisitiveness, and warm-heartedness. I want someone who'll self-reflect and hold herself accountable, someone who thirsts for wisdom and asks questions about the world around her, and someone who's eager to provide care and grateful to receive it. The world is brutal, and there are enough problems to deal with outside of the home. I don't want undependable, dull, wicked people in my circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 02:57 AM
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Not the same person—just speaking from my perspective. Unlike OP, I'd rather not know about her past. I'm not interested in hookups. As soon as I know, the emotional attraction flips like a switch. But you can still feel turned on without feeling special. So what I said could apply to the OP as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:23 PM
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That's obvious: Because she chooses to give you what she wouldn't give to any other man. And it's 100% her choice—unlike with long-term relationships, where much of it has to do with what the man is willing to give her (so a lot of it is out of her control). Women are bombarded with options. A lot of attractive men will sleep with pretty much anything given the right circumstances. If she had all of those options and never flinched for any man but you, then of course you feel special. She chose …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:28 PM
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The childless part is a mistake but now I realize it doesn't effect any of our arguments so it doesn't matter. But you brought it up. What really matters is that it's unmarried women, not actually single women. You didn't address that. "Single men are more likely than their female counterparts to be searching for romantic experiences. Half of these men are looking for a committed relationship and/or casual dates, while 35% of single women say the same." Pull up the article for the 2019 Pew surve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 11:39 AM
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You do realize "single" means "unmarried" in that study, right? That doesn't mean those women are actually single. (And, obviously, a man has to choose to propose for a woman to be married.) And that's up from 41% in 2018. That's just a 4% projected increase over a 12-year period (again, projected), and there are likely many factors at play. Second, the page you linked to says nothing about childlessness (nor does the more recent one that I found and linked). Finally, here is Pew's data from 202…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 04:40 AM
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The vast majority of young women (18-49) in the US are in romantic relationships. Unless all of those men are Chad, most of them settle for men who aren't Chad. How is this even upvoted to the top? LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:25 PM
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It's online feminist nonsense (often echoed by black pillers), though. He says half, yet the vast majority of young women (20-50) are in romantic relationships. Most women settle for men who are nowhere near Chads (even when it would be best if they didn't IMO).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:02 PM
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You didn't address anything the other person said.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:50 PM
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100%. I'd be willing to give one warning. After that, I'd GTFO without saying anything. I've never even thought about tolerating it (or treating someone like that). It's pure disrespect. Somebody failed to raise her properly, and I'm not responsible for fixing a broken woman who should've figured it out on her own. That's another reason why I don't understand men who hop into marriages. She can fake it for a while. Give her a few years to expose the worst aspects of herself, and then see if you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 12:57 PM
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If everyone tried to get rich in a disciplined manner there would still be winner and losers. If every man is a competent leader, then no man is. The bar will always move higher. If we compare ourselves to others, we can't all be winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:23 PM
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I agree. That said, you're missing my point: He can, but that doesn't mean he will. Most lack the drive, for whatever reason. Pretty much any individual in the US can get rich if they make the right decisions each day. However, the average person will never sniff wealth. They don't have it in them. People have to overcome trauma (and decades of programming from parents/media/society) and deal with distractions. It's just not in the cards for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:11 PM
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Focusing on how men act doesn't change anything, really. The average man will never be "60% alpha" (whatever that means), just like the average woman will never be anywhere close to the ideal woman. The average man is not a sliver-tongued, hyper-competent leader; he's a follower. Either way, OP would say that most women are "sacrificing" attraction. IMO everyone, outside of the most attractive, "sacrifices" attraction to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:58 PM
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There's just not enough attractive males to go around, and the ugly male propaganda is only making attractive males rarer. It's not that certain women can't compete. It's not that they're too unattractive (either physically or otherwise, or both) to get love and devotion from a modelesque man. It's that the average man is not attractive enough for the average woman — you know, the "rare specimen" who would be with another "rare specimen" if not for a lack of "rare specimens." Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:01 PM
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So you're still rolling with the "I have friends" angle? Very insightful. I hate the black pill (and made that very clear in my first post)—don't even know what you're rambling about. None of the people I've been friends with have ever talked about the stupid shit listed in the OP. Questioning your genuine attraction to someone based on what they'd look like without hair (or different hair) isn't normal, and it never has been. It's definitely not normal for mature adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:56 AM
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Is that supposed to be insightful? That doesn't change anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:14 AM
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I don't think what OP presented is common, but your response doesn't make any sense to me. A woman thinks a man is cute but needs to ask herself whether it's just because he's a coworker (or whether it's just because he's not bald), as if a man failing to be objectively physically attractive in every way invalidates the attraction she personally feels towards him. These women are looking for confirmation from other people. That's indicative of a weak sense of self. IMO it's the same type of self…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:55 PM
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Yet plenty of individuals benefit from finding God, or having faith. One of the main purposes of having faith in God is to surrender your burdens (i.e., to let go of things that are out of your control). Embracing adversity as a test and holding yourself to higher standards, rather than chasing short-term highs (like casual sex with strangers), often pays dividends as well. You can't save people who don't want to save themselves. If someone wishes to believe that this (the material world) is all…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:55 PM
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I don't prefer any particular insult. If I had a child and someone was throwing insults at them (accurate or otherwise), I'd have a huge problem with the person, especially an adult, bullying or provoking my kid (or younger family member). But anyone can insult me however the hell they want. I'm right with myself and God. Go for it. Let loose. I'm human being with endless flaws, and I've heard it all. Anything outside of a direct threat is meaningless to me. I'd rather someone show me what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:42 PM
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Just stop taking what they say seriously. Some person with incoherent views calls you insecure — big deal. By giving a shit, you grant them power over you. What did they do to earn that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:14 PM
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The point of these scenarios is to try to think about what you value more—in this case, sleeping with a hot woman vs getting affection and loyalty from a hot, pleasant woman. You kinda have to make it extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 04:51 PM
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If I'm forced to choose, I'd take Option 1 and stack cash together. That said, I don't want to share a home with another person for the sake of it. I wouldn't bother with either, honestly. I got the lovey-dovey nonsense out of my system in my early 20s, and the second option sounds like a turbo-304 that poses too many risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:21 PM
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I agree—merely having muscles won't improve your chances that much. But it will improve it. And some men realize that they have a finite time to find a decent, healthy woman and start their own family. If that's what they really want in life, then it's beneficial for them to use that as part of their motivation IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:09 PM
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So? What's the alternative? By going to the gym, he has a shot at getting a much more attractive GF than otherwise. Unless he wants to pay, there's really no other way to improve his chances. And, as you said, if going to the gym increases his confidence and gets him to socialize more (and sharpen his social skills), it maxes out his chances entirely. Otherwise, he can keep an average physique and have little to not shot at dating anything other than an unhealthy woman (again, unless he becomes …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:02 PM
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Most men are considered ugly by most women anyway. If an average-looking dude wants to get with women, he might as well focus on what he can control to a significant degree: physique, social skills, grooming, and money (requires a bit more luck). The average man is never going to be handsome (and the average woman is not going to get commitment from a handsome man). He has to deal with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 02:48 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure if you surveyed everyone, the vast majority would "prefer" to be fit — but, somehow, most in the US find themselves to be fat. If only all humans could resist all unhealthy, irrational temptations, especially those that are normalized by their culture. Certain things about "304s" or "bad boys" make them irresistible to many individuals of the opposite sex, even when those individuals know that those options are bad long-term. (Also, a lot of people believe they are the exception.)…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:00 PM
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Last time I checked, Andrew Tate didn't marry an old single mom. If the dude you mentioned in the OP is so high value, why are his results so average?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 01:14 PM
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LOL. A high-value man would be capable of getting with a high-value woman. Nothing about either of these people screams "high value." Are you saying the money alone makes the man "high value"? Is a 5'4" average-looking dude who inherited his father's wealth "high value" as well? Or is he just a walking wallet to use and discard (which is probably what a lot of dark triad women seek)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 01:09 PM
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There's no need for me to imagine when most of the guys I know feel the same way. Of course women are going to value the most physically attractive and exciting men more. There's a reason those men don't need to demonstrate unbridled loyalty or have a steady job. It's common sense. Wanting to be "husband material" in a secular culture just makes you naive IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:52 AM
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Based on what you said, it doesn't seem like you respect men as individuals. What you're doing is the farthest thing from showing an individual man respect, so it's laughable to paint yourself as morally superior in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 10:02 PM
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complaining about how desperately horny and sexually deprived they are That's only some men. So we’re surprised when men turn down the very thing they obsess over Just because an attractive woman is attractive to most men doesn't mean that a random woman (average or below) is attractive (or worth the effort) in the eyes of a random man. Some men are willing to sleep with almost any woman, and some men would rather commit their energy to a woman who's worth it in the long run. How is that surpris…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:44 PM
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Luigi did nothing wrong. Lunacy. At what point does murder become "wrong"? Perhaps you believe that you (or anyone who shares your views) have the right to determine which human beings should live (outside of a self-defense situation and without due process).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:27 PM
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Exactly. Forget 1%, though. Most won't ever secure one with a top 20% dude. Those men are out of the average woman's league when it comes to stable LTRs. If a woman can't secure a stable LTR with an above-average man, then she is not above average. If the best she can do is an average dude, she's average at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:48 PM
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That and the fact that most women are flat-out incapable of securing a stable, serious, long-term relationship with a wealthy man or a hot man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:51 PM
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Oh, I see what she meant by that comment now. What I was trying to say is that women can easily pair up with average men if they choose to do so, but the vast majority of young women are not pairing up with wealthy men. The vast majority of average young women are pairing up with average young men in long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:13 PM
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Yeah, if we're talking about long-term relationships, then average young men would pair up with them easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:14 PM
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If that were the case, most young women would be dating wealthy, hot men. However, most are not, so they're average. Most of the young women that are called 'average' are not. Your 'SMV' match as a fit young man is not always a fit young woman, because youth and fitness are far more important in a partner to men than they are to women. This is true. That said, older women can get pumped and dumped by wealthy men, too. Women always have higher SMV. RMV is a separate issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 11:46 AM
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Oh yeah, it was real. When I scanned my passport, the alarm started screeching and the lady at the computer, who had just flashed me a giant smile, began scowling at me and refused to tell me what was going on. Then they gave me the full treatment. It was absurd. Another tall, clean-cut, 20-something YO dude got the same treatment. They were waiting for me to land as well. What made it worse was that I'd gone at least 24 hours without sleep at that point due to a 12-hour ride in a stuffy, packed…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 04:10 PM
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Unreal. So sorry to hear. I remember seeing a video during the riots of 2020 where a couple was pulled out of their home and beaten with pieces of wood by a gang of looters for no reason. I was dumbfounded. After "progressives" took back power in 2021, I flew back home to the States. I had the same designation as Tulsi Gabbard did on my boarding passes. That regime treated me, someone who has never committed a crime (or even received a traffic ticket or missed a payment) like a pile of shit and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:42 PM
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Trust me — I believe you, and I agree with you. (Also, from the few post of yours that I've seen, you're one of the most grounded and sane posters on here IMO.) In the US, the Dems have been the main ones doing it (for I'd say the last decade and a half or so) because they completely control the mainstream media narrative. To me, the most insane thing about the Kirk murder is not that some lunatic did the vile thing that he did; it's the response from a good chunk of leftists in respectable posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:26 PM
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I mean, once you see it for what it is, there's no reason to do it. (And there's definitely no reason to be angry at anyone.) But when I was young, I thought I had to do it to be a man. I was raised to think that's what men are meant to do: suck it up. I realized at a very young age that I was never going to get what I preferred. So I was thinking, "Oh, she's not even close to being the type of woman I actually want? Well, I should go for it anyway, because she's interested in me, and that's rar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 01:47 PM
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Because one goal with this type of propaganda coming from partisan hacks (on both sides) is to create a threat narrative — and then lump in their biggest political enemies. This enables virtuous victim signaling. It's one strategy that dark triads use to gain moral authority and social immunity (and, obviously, manipulate others).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 04:34 AM
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No. Are divorcees and widows the only ones who fit that description? I wouldn't enter a serious relationship at my age (mid-30s), as I've missed the boat on finding the type of woman I'd want to live with. That's an L on my part. However, if I were in my mid-to-late 20s and single (I wasn't single at that age), I'd look for a woman who had long-term relationships with quality men that just didn't work out. Widows would be fine as long as they didn't have kids; I'm flat-out uninterested in raisin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:03 AM
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We build habits based on what we choose to do on a regular basis. If I'm looking to build a stable long-term relationship, I'd rather invest my time, energy, and resources in a person who has demonstrated the ability to settle with one partner in a long-term relationship over a person who spent long stretches hopping from one partner to the next. Yeah, some people change, but based on what I've seen, most people don't change very much (and very few change at all without grueling effort). And mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:23 AM
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It's often two different groups of men. I'd prefer women to up their standards, and I'm not interested in a relationship with a woman who isn't physically attracted to me. I think men who've already been in serious relationships with women tend to have higher standards and less of a starry-eyed view of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:15 PM
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It's much more likely for women to compromise by getting with men on their level. The vast majority of men aren't anywhere near "Chads," and the vast majority of women are in relationships with men. Very few women stay single with cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:32 PM
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Plenty of men are aware of it as an option. And many of them will grow to accept it in the future whether or not they see it as an option now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:12 PM
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Because it's pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:10 PM
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How is that worthy of a post? You're telling a bunch of 20-something year old dudes filled with testosterone to "just accept a dignified solitude." LOL. Just accept solitude, bro. Accepting it takes a level of maturity, self-control, and perspective that most 20-something people don't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:59 PM
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So you just like them and like being around them? A dude might as well marry his male best friend and split the bills at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:51 PM
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I'm not going off on a tangent at all. I'm on topic (even when it comes to the overall post). This was your question in this particular thread: Do you think of all the women in relationships, only a 10% is attracted to their partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:43 PM
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I responded the question you asked. It didn't say anything about "talking." And you're not sure why I'm bringing it up? Do you want me to quote it again? OP is talking about immediate attraction. That's mentioned in the initial post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:29 PM
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I was responding to your comment. Like OP, I don't think most women were viscerally and immediately attracted to their long-term partners. This is OP's quote: Women at large don't have visceral and immediately sexual feelings about the overwhelming majority of men. If you're an average-looking dude (and the vast majority of men are), then there's no reason to expect a woman to be completely obsessed with you based on looks alone. She might become obsessed with you based on your job, personality/…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:22 PM
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In most cases, I doubt they were viscerally and immediately attracted to their 5'10" husband with love handles and unremarkable facial features. OP's point is that most men (i.e., average men) aren't immediately attractive to women. I think OP is right about that. Women here say it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:06 PM
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Then why would women in their 20s commit to guys in their 20s either? Doesn't make sense either. Exactly. That's my point. Women want compensation ($$$) from average-looking dudes. It's just most can't get commitment from wealthy men. Cheating has nothing to do with the commitment either. It's not a case of "men bad, women good."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:55 PM
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Why would men (in general, of course) want to commit resources to women in their 50s over women in their 20s? That doesn't make any sense. Most young men want to be in committed relationships. Also, young women admit to cheating at the same rate as young men. It's not a case of "men bad, women good."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:50 PM
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The older the women are the less likely they are to be in relationships. Yeah, and for men, the opposite is true. We've covered this already.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:45 PM
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Women are seeking commitment early while men in their 20s dont want to commit and be a good partner. LOL. Commitment from which men? If men below 30 were ready to commit and be good partners women wouldn't have to date slightly older men. Women want men with money, and careers take time to build. Not after menopause. After 30 its basically equal. "Basically equal" (meaning that women are still more likely to be in relationships) still doesn't line up with what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:22 PM
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Yet women are more likely to be in romantic relationships than men until after menopause. It's almost like women are valued for looks and fertility and men are valued for status/usefulness/money. Most women don't prioritize finding a "good guy" (whatever that is). They prioritize status, dough, size, and looks (to a lesser extent than men). Women are not perpetual victims, and they're just as slimy as men (just in different ways).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:26 AM
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I don't feel worthy for the type of women I find worthwhile. On top of that, I don't find the average relationship to be worth the effort, and at my age, it seems like the most virtuous women have already been taken (just like the vast majority of the most handsome and wealthiest relationship-minded men have already been taken). Also, young men tend to be more starry-eyed about the potential experience. Older men know what they're dealing with. The fantasy is gone. They're very unlikely to jump …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:32 PM
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No, you're right: Both sexes focus their messages near the top. The one I posted mentions that too. However, almost all women received messages here (and almost a fifth of men didn't). Also, I wanted to include that bit because people here often talk about how women still message guys they view as unattractive, according to some sentence in the OkCupid blog about their data.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:16 PM
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Where are all these hot dudes who are chubby chasers? LOL. How am I supposed to answer this? Ask the chubby women who admit to sleeping with hot guys. A lot of women here say the average dude is ugly. Does that mean average dudes can't find any women? Of course not. Also, just an FYI, this is an absolute claim: This is "women only swipe right a small percentage of time therefore they must all be swiping right on the same percentage of men" fallacy. You're presenting the weakest possible position…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:32 PM
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That is the red pill claim, which is what this post is refuting. Even then, you're attacking the weakest possible position that's easy for anyone to refute: absolute claims. That's kinda lame and pointless. (IMO if you're not steelmanning, you're ego-tripping, but w/e.) So people are broadly dating laterally until they get married when women suddenly go up? I think it's definitely a lot more common in dating. A wise man with money might be willing to date broke hot chicks but won't marry them. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:06 PM
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No shit. IMO modern feminism, in its current form, is little more than a self-worship cult — and they're useful idiots (as are black pillers).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:59 PM
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This is "women only swipe right a small percentage of time therefore they must all be swiping right on the same percentage of men" fallacy. I never made that claim. This completely contradicts the other popular red pill claim that women only date "up." I think only a braindead idiot would say that women only date up. But that quote has to do with marriage, not dating. And they're talking about spouses (you know, married people). It's common sense that in a monogamous society, the guys at the top…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:43 PM
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There is data from Kreager et al. (sample of 8,000+ men and 6,000+ women on a dating app) suggesting that the vast majority of men on dating apps are viewed as below average in attractiveness (Figure 2). Ten times as many men as women received 0 messages, and all but 2% of women received messages. Less than 10% of women in the lowest quintile of desirability sent messages to men at similar desirability levels, and more than half of them sent messages to men in the top two quintiles. Now, if we'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:54 PM
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I'm not saying women shouldn't be choosing hot guys. (IMO we'd all be better off if they only went for the hottest and richest guys who are virtuous.) I'm saying dudes shouldn't give a shit about "natural selection," because even if you're a fit, responsible dude with a decent job who pops out a couple of kids with an average or ugly woman, the most manipulative and irresponsible hot men (and, in some cases, not-so-hot men) are still outbreeding you. They're spreading their seed with more women …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:31 PM
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Kinda. But so what? The most manipulative and least responsible hot men are the most sexually successful, as they spread their seed with the most women. And there's nothing natural about it either, as we're all forced to pay for their irresponsible behavior. If you shack up with some woman and pop out 1-2 kids, you're not even close to being as sexually successful as that type of dude. So why worry about "natural selection"? Humans won't be around forever anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:42 PM
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Yeah, now read the rest of that definition. Also, do you remember this? It has nothing to do with being rude or boastful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 05:10 PM
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So what is that definition? I don't have access to the OED (not paying for a subscription), so I don't know what definition you're using. But here's the Oxford Learner's Dictionary definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:41 PM
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If you knew, why did you choose to misrepresent my view? Men largely do not go to Taylor Swift concerts or buy her albums, there's no parasocial relationship. So? Most men have been exposed to her plenty. Most have heard her speak. I think more men would be interested in their female friends than Taylor Swift TBH. And I think most women would be more interested in a wealthy hunk than their male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:33 PM
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Which definition of arrogance? Let's say you have two competent players on a championship basketball team. The first knows he's talented and doesn't flinch in clutch situations. He takes care of business on the court (completely locked in), moves the ball around, and hits the game winner. He daps up the other team after the game and commends them for their effort. The second player, his teammate, knows he's talented and balls out, hitting all of his shots. However, he taunts the other team all g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:11 PM
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If it was just "I wanna see a hot woman naked That's not what I'm saying. I just broke down my view for you in one sentence in my last comment (the last sentence). Again, most men won't know every celebrity woman. In those cases, there's no illusion of familiarity. They don't know anything about their personalities (or personas).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:10 PM
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Because most men don't know those random low-status women. I'm talking about the men who are familiar (or close) with those women IRL. I think familiarity (or the illusion of it) is what ramps this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:54 PM
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If you're not capable, you're incompetent. You can be confident and incompetent. You can be arrogant and competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:51 PM
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A person can be both competent and arrogant (and confident).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:45 PM
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That's demonstrably false You don't think the dudes doing this type of shit would do the same with their low-status female friends/acquaintances?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:26 PM
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Spreading people's personal shit online is abhorrent, but I don't think men's attraction to celebrities has that much to do with status. Celebrities portray certain characters on screen/stage. If those characters/personas vibe with certain men, then those men will find those celebrities more attractive. I think this happens to women as well, but women are also attracted to wealth and power on top of it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:18 PM
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I don't think about being on my death bed. That's just a sliver of time. When I'm on the way out, I'm going to be sad about dying either way. If my options are to be stay single or date an unhealthy woman who'll be a liability, a single mom who'll be a liability, or a crazy woman who'll be a liability, I'm not going to bother with dating. Living with a person like that (and all of their baggage) makes the quality of my everyday life significantly worse. And I know a lot women feel the same about…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:02 PM
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You've made this post before. It's not about devaluing friendship. Relationships offer a completely different dynamic, and many people crave it. IME genuine friendships are less transactional than romantic relationships. My dudes will be around after my partner is gone (especially nowadays, where transient and shallow romantic relationships are common). The connection I have with my genuine friends is deeper in many ways — with bite-sized moments of immeasurable closeness. However, we'll always …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:11 PM
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They struggle differently. However, like women, men also struggle to get a solid relationship with a solid person. The average woman isn't likely to be good long-term relationship material either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:54 PM
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so that means 65% of single women aren’t looking for anything and goes against what you’re saying about women not being happier single. Not really. The 2019 Pew survey found that it was mostly the older women (40+) who were significantly less interested in dating. (And you can see that it's the 65+ crowd, which includes a lot of widows, that's pulling most of that weight.) In the 18-39 YO age bracket, it was 39% of single women and 33% of single men who were not looking for any relationships. Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:00 PM
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Finding a woman under 30 who isn't in a relationship or temporarily in between relationships is pretty difficult. A young woman who's not delusional or a bit insane? Yeah, no doubt. Those women are reasonable and have infinite options, so they're never single for long (if ever, honestly). Of course, shy but reasonable single women exist, but they're rare, and you're probably never going to meet them. And IME women are always the ones who ask about your relationship status or why you're single. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:41 AM
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In general? Not in the West. Very few women will see him as physically attractive on any level. There's nothing particularly wrong with his genes; it's just that his physical characteristics aren't enough to get women excited on their own. He's likely going to click with a few women who'll settle for him due to his personality (paired with his stability and commitment), and he'll likely need to maintain a decent job for that to be the case. Of course, there are exceptions. A small chunk of these…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:43 PM
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Okay, let's try a more straightforward way: IMO, most women want resources/security, good genes, and excitement. In modern society, the average woman has enough resources/security for survival (though not much beyond that). She doesn't look up to the average guy, and she can always snag an average man later in life (and most do). The hot, unpredictable guy (who's very rare due to how men evolved) offers good genes and excitement. So why would we expect the average young woman to find the average…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:21 PM
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Also if the money is only factor (because i don't see anything else) doesn't that mean that women will lust over men with money? Some, I guess. Traditionally, women have sought financial security and power in average-looking men, primarily for survival; however, that doesn't mean it's what women find most attractive. For example, many men find the gentle, sweet, demure woman ideal for long-term commitment, but that doesn't mean they don't lust after the crazy, hot bimbo as well. But it doesn't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:02 PM
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It's not really that. It's that a woman wants to look up to a man and get something from him that she can't get on her own. Women evolved to seek men with power and resources. Also, humans aren't necessarily good at making choices that benefit them in the long run. For example, most people in the US are fat because they'd rather choose a sedentary lifestyle and hyper-palatable food over a disciplined lifestyle and nutrient-dense food. When women can interact with exciting, unpredictable hot guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:21 PM
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Women desire men who earn more than they do (and have more power than they do). The problem is that we've set up a society in which the average woman earns about as much as the average man (and, arguably, has more social power), so the average woman has very little reason to be attracted to the average man, who's neither exceptionally tall nor particularly handsome. IMO, we can't expect average women to find average men attractive in this setup. Most women still settle for their "equal," just a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:02 PM
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He's the most honest person I've ever met, and he's always been there when I needed him. We're very close. However, my father is a perfectionist, and it held him back in life. When I was growing up, he was never satisfied with anything that I accomplished. I was always expected to continue excelling. He was also a simp towards my mom, and it cost him quite a bit, especially over the last few years, as she's dragged him down to her level health-wise. Both of their parents lived into their 90s, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:27 PM
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Sharp. I learned a lot — about myself, relationships, and human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:03 PM
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There was plenty of failing on my part, for sure, but cheating is a moral failing. It won't happen to me again, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:59 PM
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Yeah, women are human. I don't blindly trust anything with an amygdala.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:53 PM
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Nope. Women are human beings, and human beings are very, very flawed. They often cheat because they have fleeting wants, not needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:49 PM
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Nobody would really care if Bill Gates or Bezos entered the room, though. Those dudes are filthy rich, but the average person sees them as nerds. They seem to lack charisma, and they might be more paranoid about gold diggers — who knows. The top rappers and rockstars would draw a much bigger crowd. Marilyn Manson and Lil Wayne, for example, wouldn't have had much success with women without their status, but they attracted a lot of women in their niches when they were at their peaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:36 PM
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I mean, Lil Wayne is 5'5" and looks like a gremlin. That dude had a kid with Lauren London (and several other women), and he probably has a line of attractive women at every show. Also, the average woman earns a shit salary. Independent? Uh, yeah, sure. Thriving? No. And the higher levels of status come with power and attention that goes beyond $$$. But the average man will never reach those levels of status, so whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:23 PM
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No. Again, I'm talking about dating. And, again, some men are more skilled (and more attractive), so they can land dates with more women. A skilled, bold (or hot) dude can go on dates with 10 average women, while 10 average, passive dudes can land 0 dates IRL. If both the women and the dudes have reasonable standards, who's more incentivized to seek alternative ways to find a partner or hookup (e.g., online dating apps)? (And that's not even considering that women get a lot of interest on social…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 10:57 PM
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I'm talking about going on dates, not entering relationships. That's what you're missing. Average women can get dates and hookups with ease; average men can't. If you're getting dates IRL, you're actually going on dates until you find someone you click with. If you're not getting dates IRL, you're going to be more likely to pursue other avenues to find dates. So if a woman doesn't go on the apps, but still dates, she still removes a man from the apps. This doesn't make sense. What if there are c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 10:45 PM
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But a lot of average and below average dudes on the apps aren't getting any interest IRL. And the majority of women, especially kind and warm women, are in relationships, so finding decent single women to interact with is tough to begin with. Meanwhile, any woman who has a social life, regardless of how overweight and lazy she is, has plenty of single men hitting on her IRL. She doesn't need to go on an app unless she has very high (or delusional) standards. If I'm getting dates and hookups IRL,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 10:27 PM
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It's simple: Young women don't need apps to get attention from the opposite sex; only really picky women need to use an app. Women get approached IRL, and they can get hookups at any time. The data shows that young men and young women are looking for relationships at a similar rate — and that young women are more likely to be in relationships. The Tea app and the "Are We Dating the Same Guy" groups seem to suggest that a chunk of women are indeed sharing men. Plus, there are more young men than …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 10:12 PM
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Of course it's rage bait. I was cheated on by someone I trusted a lot. As a result, I haven't had the desire to pursue a romantic relationship in 4 years now, and I'll never trust anyone to that extent again. I have two friends in a similar boat. OP claims that men have accepted settling over being alone, but she hasn't provide any evidence to support that claim. I doubt that most men would be fine with this setup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:48 PM
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If that ever becomes the norm, a lot of dudes just won't even think about dating anymore. Once some user-friendly, plug and play VR/AI setup takes off (and I'm not saying that's going to be great for humanity in the long run), I think a lot of dudes will be even less likely to pursue romantic relationships with women. Imagine dudes being able to generate a new woman to their liking at any time. Then think about how few of them would choose to go through humiliation rituals just for a chance to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:33 PM
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There are more men on dating apps because more women accept being single or not dating Yet more young women (the women most likely to be on these apps) aren't any less likely to date or be single — so how does that make sense? In fact, young women might be a bit more likely to date. Look at the 2022 Pew Research Center survey: 63% of young men (18-29) reported being single (not in a committed relationship), and only half of single dudes were looking to date (either seriously or casually). Only 3…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:13 PM
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According to you, 50% of men are physically attractive, meaning that they're either f-boys or "holistically attractive." I'm not buying that 50% of men are "sexy," especially nowadays with low T and high body fat being the norm. Maybe you're in the upper class, so that might be true for that small group of men — many of whom were born with silver spoons in their mouths and fed optimal diets. I would be able to buy that the vast majority of men can enter the "aren't desirable but also not desirab…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:16 PM
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Romantic love is a fantasy. "Finding love" just means deluding yourself into thinking that you found it. As long as you're still capable of deluding yourself, you can still find love as a man. Once you've lost that ability, it's impossible to find love IMO. Black pill content is pure brain rot because it puts you in an inescapable negative loop. According to black pillers, all that matters is the one thing that you can't change to a significant degree — and then finding any enjoyment outside of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:55 PM
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All but one of my five closest friends are fit and well-groomed. Right now, the four most attractive ones are either married or single — half and half. My one and only fat friend has a bunch of GFs every year, but he has very low standards (and he's an alky). The women he dates are physically attractive, but they're also train wrecks with baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:59 PM
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I can believe it. My sociopathic, narcissistic grandpa cheated in his 80s. He even told me about his affairs earlier in life and encouraged me to have mistresses. This happened during a trip I took to Eastern Europe, and my grandma was in the other room with my GF at the time. That was the first time I talked to him as an adult. The dude was charismatic AF, intelligent (spent most of his life as a professor), handsome, and tall, but he was a complete POS.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:30 PM
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Why would you be with anyone if you're not willing to go out of your way to give them the best possible treatment that you're capable of providing? If you're not actually attracted to them on that level, why not stay single instead of using them until something better comes around?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:59 PM
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It still wouldn't be worth shit to me. There's no incentive for me to enter an arrangement like that, and I wouldn't have a desire to stick around. I'd rather be free to do whatever I want (and leave the door cracked for a genuine connection with a grounded woman whose values align with my own — at least for the next decade).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:18 PM
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No thanks. I'd rather live a drama-free life. I'd feel lonely in that type of relationship with a 304 I'm not emotionally attracted to and a bunch of random dudes I want nothing to do with. Decent woman or bust for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:14 PM
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Again, my point is that you're wrong about those women not being able to get dates. They can get endless dates and hookups — just not stable LTRs with hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:17 PM
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So you'd continue doing it as long as he was fine with it, but he would need to stop watching pron in the meantime?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:37 PM
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Maybe, but from the beginning of this comment thread, I was talking about only the cases in which the woman lets herself go.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:30 PM
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Many fat and ugly men do, though. Those men can't get anything else, neither short-term nor long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:28 PM
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They're single because they don't want the dudes who want them for LTRs. I don't blame them, but they're not single because nobody wants them. There are very few fat women who "can't get dates." Getting dates isn't the problem for them. The difficult part is getting serious relationships with men they're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:39 PM
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If porn is cheating, then reading about tall badboy billionaires is cheating. Amazon is filled with smut that women read while in relationships with average men. I'm not someone who would put up with either, but if a woman thinks watching porn is cheating, is it okay for her to fantasize about other men for hours? By buying these books and reading them, she's going out of her way to feed her fantasies of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:31 PM
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It's common sense. It doesn't require a study. If someone lets themselves go, why would you expect the other person to be as attracted to them? Is that always the case? Obviously not. Is it the case in the majority of situations? Who knows. But it does happen a lot because many people let themselves go.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:25 PM
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I'm saying that in a lot of cases where dudes don't want to sleep with their wives, it's because those women have completely let themselves go. IS that always the case? No. But if a woman lets herself go, she shouldn't be surprised when her husband doesn't want to touch her. Same goes for guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:11 AM
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They have a really high divorce rate as well. What "tools" could we possibly give to make them better? If you choose to form a blended family, that's on you. Figure it out. It's a choice; nobody is forcing anyone to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:03 PM
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Most dudes get settled for as well. No woman truly wants to be with an average dude who's not tall, handsome, and well-off; she settles. And a lot of women read and fantasize about billionaire bad boys while being in relationships with average men, so they're far from innocent themselves. Either way, the other person has the option to leave. I think most romantic relationships are dog shit anyway. Very, very few people are capable of genuine love IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 09:05 PM
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Fit women play the dating game on the easiest difficulty. If a woman chooses to be overweight and lazy, that's on her. It might be time for her to look in the mirror and leave the relationship. In that scenario, both are choosing to be pathetic, and both are putting up with shit that I'd never tolerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:48 PM
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She can leave as well — hop on a dating app and upgrade. If she knows he's doing it and isn't okay with it, she should leave. If she stays, she's choosing to enable it. She should look in the mirror and stop making excuses for her lack of discipline and the amount of BS she's willing to put up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:09 PM
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How many of those women have completely let themselves go? In those cases, it's a choice. If a man gets shitcanned and refuses to even look for a job, I'm sure his "partner" would find his lack of drive intoxicating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 07:54 PM
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There are nowhere near 4 billion women in the average man's pool. Most women live nowhere near you. Most women are not in your age bracket. Most women are not single. (And, obviously, 99% won't even be physically attracted to you whatsoever.) If you want to be vulnerable, work on building friendships with other men. Women come and go — especially nowadays — and if you're not ridiculously handsome or rich, they're few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 07:37 PM
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Aren't there obese women on the site making millions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:16 PM
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Date? Not get on my knees and propose to her? Not share a home with her? Not build a family with her? Yeah, I wouldn't care. It's not serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:58 AM
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Yeah, it's already established that he's the alfalfa of all alfalfas.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:55 PM
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Dude, that's how Darcy is introduced in the book. We start with the fact that he's tall, wealthy, and handsome — to the point where everyone, including the men, is obsessed with him. Confidence in men is attractive. But that's one component, and far from the most important. Ultimately, looks and power are the most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:55 PM
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Well, yeah, because those are real men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:30 PM
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From the book: "Mr. Darcy soon drew the attention of the room by his fine, tall person, handsome features, noble mien, and the report which was in general circulation within five minutes after his entrance, of his having ten thousand a year. The gentlemen pronounced him to be a fine figure of a man, the ladies declared he was much handsomer than Mr. Bingley, and he was looked at with great admiration for about half the evening." Say what now? He was just the tallest, most handsomest, most riches…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:14 PM
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I never denied that. Like I said, it's the classiest version. That said, a man can be as confident as it gets. If he doesn't have money, looks, or height (or a kickstand and a rap sheet), women aren't going to care. And if Darcy were the average-height, average-looking, average-earning man strutting around with all the confidence in the world, he'd have zero appeal as a fictional man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:01 PM
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Those men are also usually filthy rich, tall, and handsome — the top 0.000001%. And Darcy? You're presenting the classiest and most socially acceptable version of those fictional men. Often, what's really popular are morally reprehensible POS (who are also filthy rich, tall, and handsome).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:40 AM
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Men are already competing with fictional men (as well as amalgamations of real men). And these fictional guys are often complete POS. They're not masculine men that good men would look up to. Truth is, very few women are worth having a relationship with, and most of those women are already in stable relationships (and have been for a while). If a woman truly wants a stable and healthy relationship, she can have it; however, she usually doesn't actually want it. Most women want what the herd want…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:23 AM
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Men need a movement that would be able to cooperate with feminism - not fight with it. Do I think women should have equal rights? 100%. But they already do in the West. Modern feminism in the West is a self-worship cult. And the MRA "movement" is absolutely useless. Either way, I think this soft period is a blip. Human history (and the worst of human nature) speaks for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:55 AM
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What's attractive to women are traditionally masculine men, and given that women (and the highest status men) are the ultimate selectors, traditionally masculine men will reproduce the most (and with the most women). Traditionally masculine men are just meant to thrive in this world, period. Also, a group of men starting a movement that counters the negative influence of society will be viewed as a legitimate threat by the most powerful individuals and groups (unless it's a movement that unwitti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:35 PM
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I don't think the average woman is that mature. IME there are plenty of introspective men as well; it's just they're often invisible (to women especially) because that's not what women (and other men) consider to be masculine and alluring.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:26 PM
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Most people do the same thing. When a person brings something up about women in general, women (all over Reddit, especially) respond by claiming that it's because of society and how women were raised to think and behave. Often, it's because of "the Patriarchy." It's rarely admitted that each individual makes choices each day. That said, while I don't resent "the Sisterhood" or simps who twist themselves into pretzels to make sure men are blamed for everything wrong in society (I understand why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:04 PM
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Yeah, my life has been more challenging as an ugly dude who grew up in a poor family. Most people assume the worst about me (as a man) — until they get to know me. As a result, I take less for granted and can enjoy the smaller things in life without being obsessed with external validation or relying on others for contentment. But am I granted special privileges by society? LOL. FOH.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:11 AM
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I'm not 7 feet tall and 400 lbs of pure muscle, so there's always a bigger and stronger dude out there. I'd rather stay strapped. Yeah, we live in a relatively low-trust society, but the world isn't that dangerous for most of us. Of course, some things are unpredictable, but wise people generally know which areas and situations to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 02:05 PM
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Staying fit and learning a martial art? Awesome. But constantly sizing up other dudes and looking to fight dumbasses over absolutely nothing? LOL. I'd rather just carry. If a man wants to act like an aggressive, violent, unhinged animal in the wild, he can get treated like one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 11:07 AM
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It's two percent of American women between the ages of 18 and 45, which is probably about right. There are 4-5 million creators. According to the latest count, approximately 1.4 million are American, and 70% of them are women. A decent chunk are probably over 30. To put that into perspective, there are approximately 34 million female Zoomers in the US alone, and definitely over 34 million female Millennials. Sure, 1 million American women is bad, but it's not that bad yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:28 AM
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better to be hookup material than husband material Nowadays, that's a fact. Maybe it was always true. What makes being the long-term dude bad is that it takes so much work and sacrifice for such little ROI. And all the appreciation you do get is phony, because she gave all that and more to dudes who did none of what you're doing (and, honestly, she'll probably do it again). The cat is just out of the bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:25 AM
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My ex had several family member and friends who would only post about their perfect lives on social media. Behind closed doors, they (including her sister, who was at our place every week) were spiraling, so I rarely take what these people say online seriously. Feminism in the West has evolved into a self-worship cult where women earn status from exclaiming how amazing and powerful they are and demeaning men. The well-rounded and content people I know typically aren't anywhere near as boastful a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:39 AM
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I hope youre not an American saying that, I am. I live in the South, too. Although I'm an American citizen and have lived two-thirds of my life in the US, I was born in Eastern Europe and have always felt most attracted to Eastern European women. There just aren't a lot of Eastern European women where I live. Also you: I meant the "hate for pets" part. Obviously, obese women and single moms are very common, especially in the singles pool after 30 (and especially in the South).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:17 AM
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Many women probably do. But if I'm in great shape, make good money, and know that I'm going out of my way to do the right thing each day, I couldn't care less about an average person thinking I'm a loser or a bad person. I know genuine losers who get plenty of women; those men often just don't have any standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 09:15 PM
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I see them as beautiful, but I'm not actually attracted to most of them — probably for some of the same reasons. However, I find a handful of them ridiculously attractive, such as Ana de Armas and Bryce Dallas Howard. The plastic surgery addiction definitely doesn't help, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:52 PM
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IMO if you truly love yourself, you do whatever it takes to put yourself in the best position to thrive given your limitations and opportunities (and only you know what thriving means to you). It's your responsibility to find opportunities. And if your perspective makes you unhappy, then it's your responsibility to shift your perspective/focus and take action, because the world is never going to bend to your will. Take control what you can or embrace misery; either way, the rest of the world won…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:56 PM
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It is happening to some extent. I think many younger dudes crave structure and order. I was raised Catholic and always thought religion was bullshit. Leading up to my first communion, our priest showed us a photo of his X-ray with Mary holding up his spine and tried to say that she was responsible for his successful surgery. That was a bad start, and all of the exorcism lectures at Sunday school just made me lose respect for them even more. I stayed in the church until I got confirmed at 16, as …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:05 PM
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obese women or single mom and suddenly they act as if that's below them If you're a childless, fit man with a decent job, it is below you (unless you're a chubby chaser, of course). Why raise another man's child or date a woman who's unhealthy and lives an incompatible lifestyle? Get off Tinder and meet people elsewhere, rather than compete in the meat market that doesn't exactly allow average-looking men to stand out. Or stay single until you find someone who's actually compatible and not a com…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:37 AM
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Let's say "not fat" then. Only a quarter of 20-24-year-olds are overweight, and a small chunk of those men are just muscular, which puts them in the overweight range of BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:09 AM
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What study are you referencing here? The Institute for Family Studies one that used GSS data from 2010-2016. (I know far leftists hate that source, so I'm sure IFS rigged the results to paint young men in a more favorable light than older men.) I didn't say anything about conformity. Ultimately, that's what we're debating here. If you disagree with OP's argument, fine. Feel free to disregard then. Edit: Data came from GSS.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:11 AM
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Right (and I was talking up to 50), but for the entirety of their fertile years, women admit to cheating about as much as men. Also, just because you cheat on your husband or boyfriend doesn't mean you're not generally a conformist. Cheating is done in the dark. A lot of people conform to boost their social status or to appear as a "good" person (both to others and themselves). A married Christian in a Christian community can still cheat on his wife with a dude, for example. So it comes down to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:41 AM
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Young women have similar self-reported infidelity rates. Only once women become infertile do they report cheating significantly less. So when it comes to the age range of the average male poster here, it's pretty even. And we can't measure emotional abuse, which is what women tend to resort to given that they're significantly smaller and weaker on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:22 AM
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No, it's just that women tend to marry a few years older. Of course, a small chunk of women could be sharing men. Also, second marriages result in significantly bigger age gaps. According to Pew Research, 5% of men's first marriages have a 10+ year age gap, and 20% of their second marriages do — so a good chunk of those 40-year-old divorced dudes are likely dipping into the 30s dating pool. Then consider that there are about three extra men for every 100 women between 20 and 39. And like I said,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:59 PM
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I said between 18 and 49. I figured you knew what survey I was referring to, as it's been posted like 1,000 times on here. Yes, it's 66% for 18-29 and 83% for 30-49. So between 18 and 49, it's definitely 70-80%. And that's just committed relationships — at least, from the woman's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:37 PM
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So few women are doing it because most young women are in a committed romantic relationship. They get approached by plenty of guys IRL. For the most part, only the pickiest young women go online. Between 18 and 49, like 70-80% of women are in committed relationships according to the latest Pew survey. A lot of men in their 20s are single, and since men have to approach to have even one option, it makes sense why there are more men on those apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:55 PM
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This isn't about me; I'm in my mid-30s anyway. I realized I'm not getting what I want a from a woman a long time ago. I'm asking you about dudes in their 20s. Average joes and millionaires alike are chasing after the same small % of pretty young women. Millionaires are chasing everyone but overweight, infertile women? LOL. Most of them are not chasing average 20-something women for long-term relationships. And a lot of male millionaires are far from physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:45 PM
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I don't expect anyone to want me. My last ex was a lot more attractive than me (or the average American woman) anyway. But are you saying that the average but fit young dude's equal is an overweight, infertile woman? Maybe for short-term relationships, but for long-term relationships, I'm not buying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:36 PM
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Women aren't expected to pursue, and they don't have to pursue. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:24 PM
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The average but fit dude's "equal" is an overweight, infertile woman? In that case, dating is a wrap. Also, why would men approach women they're not attracted to? By doing so, they're just wasting everyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:22 PM
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Yeah, you play the passive role in the conversation. A dude has to rizz his matches. It's not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:10 PM
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I agree, but that's just how it works in modern Western culture. Women can playfully clown on broke guys (which really just means "not filthy rich" in many cases) without any major social repercussions. Most normal men stomach it. If you respond as a man, get ready to own the "insecure" label. It is what it is. In an ideal world, we wouldn't have to do many things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 02:57 PM
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For sure. In my case, I'm viscerally attracted to women with a certain type of legs. If necessary, I can hyperfocus on that. I don't care what a woman looks like otherwise (or how she behaves); I still find her physically attractive. If I DGAF about anything but getting laid (i.e., if I had an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex), I'd be able to ignore everything else about a woman and put up with it all in a relationship, even if I wasn't attracted to her in any other way. I just don't want to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:27 PM
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More importantly, the most well-off men are more likely to be off the market after a certain point. Broke dudes are unattractive, so many of them will be left on the shelf and ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:22 PM
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Because IME some dudes just have to find one thing physically attractive about the woman, even if they find her unattractive overall. Or maybe they find a woman's body physically attractive enough but aren't emotionally attracted to the woman whatsoever. However, their drive is so high that they're willing to put up with it just to get off on the regular. I'd definitely be capable of sleeping with women I'm not attracted to whatsoever — be it physically or emotionally, and to a reasonable extent…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:12 PM
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If you're actually angry and bitter, then take accountability. But being brutally honest isn't the same thing. Like I said, I'd never mention anything about not dating single moms IRL (at least not to the average person). I keep my mouth shut about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:05 PM
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Sharing your blunt and honest opinions about dating single moms doesn't necessarily make you angry or bitter, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 11:55 AM
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I mean, we're on a subreddit that focuses on sex, relationships, and gender issues. We can expect for these things to come up. (And the most mentally stable men and women don't frequent Reddit to begin with.) Also, it's not surprising that people are willing to be more honest and blunt online. You can't really be honest about it IRL. As a man, you're better off keeping your mouth shut about it. I don't think most dudes care how they come off on here. I can see dudes being jealous about fat chick…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 11:51 AM
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These guys know deep down, they would date these ‘unattractive undesirable women’ because their current situation is NO WOMAN wants them. That might be true in a small percentage of cases, but most childless men can make a long list of genuine reasons why dating single moms is a bad idea in general. I've never even considered it an option, but if other men are willing to do it, that's great. IMO, you have to be either obsessed with sex or pathetically desperate to date someone you find unattract…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 11:30 AM
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The same men who want us to feel bad about ourselves are usually overweight men with neckbeards and a weird hate for pets. LOL. That's super-specific. Who are these men? I was always into a woman for her mind and personality as well, but how a person — especially a 30-something or 40-something adult — takes care of themselves and their body says a lot about their values, approach to life, lifestyle, and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 11:11 AM
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Yeah, any woman can get unlimited dates. That isn't exactly revelatory for most adults. How many decent options would actually take an obese, sloppy single mom seriously, though? (And what are dates worth if any woman, even the ones at the bottom of the hierarchy, can have a never-ending supply of them?) Are there exceptions? Sure. But there are only a certain amount of tall, fit, handsome, and well-off men. Any woman who's that obsessed with attention from men isn't worth commitment anyway IMO.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:02 PM
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The average man in the US is an overweight simp, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:20 PM
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I'm asking because the peer-reviewed study I posted above seems to show that women's tastes (based on the message distribution) don't vary more than men's. I haven't found any actual data that backs up your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:13 PM
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yet 38 of the profiles were "disliked" by that same group of participants. What does this mean? No offense to you, but that's a crappy article. Do we have any actual data to work with — something that shows that women's tastes are more varied? I mean, even if one Chad was liked by 80%, there could have been more who were liked by 60% or 70%. We already know that very few men are attractive according to women, so there would only be a handful of men in that group of 100 with a high success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:07 PM
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had poor agreement on which guys were hot Can you prove this claim? Kreager et al. (2014) found that almost ten times more men than women received zero messages (18% of men vs 2% of women). This was an online dating study published in a peer-reviewed journal with a large sample size (8,259 men and 6,274 women). And based on the message distribution in that study, it looks like women were a bit more focused on the most desirable dudes than men were focused on the most desirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:41 PM
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Lucky bastard Yeah, I know; I don't take it for granted. It was in their own F'd up way, of course. But it was genuine. Unfortunately, because they do everything wrong when it comes to their health, I don't think they'll be around for very long — despite their parents living into their 90s. if I don't get to pour my heart into someone then I don't get the point of anything at all I used to believe that as well, but along the way, I may have poured it into the wrong person. I do wish more people …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:48 PM
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I got the love I needed from my parents, but I admire your mindset. That said, I don't think it's either "FU, got mine" or "love another person completely." Both are foolish from my perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:29 PM
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I'm not the other guy, but I'm also not dense enough to assume that he was talking about solely fiction books.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:17 PM
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There's more than one definition of romanticism. Maybe do a quick search and figure that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:04 PM
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Morally, I agree. Many of them don't die alone, though. This is not a just world, and nobody cares what you or I thinks anyone "deserves." In this world, the only thing that objectively matters is what works. Unfortunately, what works is power.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:50 PM
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Yes, a lot of dudes here know that most men are seen as walking wallets, at best. It can be tough for some people to accept, though, especially with all the romantic bullshit the media (and sometimes family) has fed them their entire lives. Also, I do think that men's tastes vary a lot more, so it's not quite the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:17 PM
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It's different flavors of the same small group of men. Maybe one friend prioritizes height a bit more. Maybe one friend prioritizes facial harmony/symmetry a bit more (not literally thinking like that, but you know what I mean). Maybe one friend prioritizes money a bit more. And maybe each is willing to settle (to a certain degree) in other areas if absolutely necessary. What spreads things out a bit more is the fact that most women can't order exactly what they prefer, because most women can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:51 PM
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I ate nothing but steak tartare with eggs, homemade butter, and homemade cheese for about 6 months straight. It's something I'll only admit on Reddit. LOL. But, yeah, you have to be a special kind of weird to order tartare at a restaurant. And you have to be a special kind of weird to be attracted to people that pretty much nobody else is attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:28 PM
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I have a GE washing machine sitting to the left of my GE dryer. Moving my clothes to the dryer from the washing machine takes me about a minute. The same goes for moving my clothes to the basket from the dryer. Putting them back in my closet takes like 5 minutes. And I only do it once a week. When I lived in Europe, we washed by hand, so I can see that being a pain (especially with bedsheets and blankets) — but when you have washing machines and dryers?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:32 AM
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Except slaves didn't have a choice in the matter, and they weren't being pampered.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:16 AM
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No it wouldn't. The top dudes wouldn't have a reason to take it, and women would still gravitate towards the hottest and highest status men. Testosterone levels in men have been on a significant decline for decades now, and that hasn't done anything to "even the playing field." In fact, we've probably gone in the opposite direction. Social media, the internet, and smartphones just changed everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:41 AM
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Nobody is doing that in this comment thread, though, so you're just making irrelevant statements. If you just want to complain about random people complaining, that's cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:43 PM
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If you know you're unattractive, you know your equal is unattractive. Most people aren't attracted to unattractive people. That doesn't mean you'll stop being attracted to attractive people. The person you replied to wasn't even complaining. There's no reason for everyone to pair up. A good chunk of people will be left pining for attractive individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:28 PM
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It comes down to being human. I don't think many people are capable of being happy with a 25th percentile person. That's far away from anything resembling an attractive person. Below a certain point of physical attractiveness, there's nothing wrong with staying single IMO. Also, considering that a man has to go out of his way to pursue a woman, where's the drive to pursue when you don't even find the other person remotely attractive (and you know the other person doesn't find you attractive eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:15 AM
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Because women have so many options IRL that only the pickiest ones have to head to the meat market.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:09 PM
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They wouldn't crave it as much, obviously, but they would enjoy it. Take away the risk of pregnancy with birth control. For the most part, men just have more varied tastes and DGAF about status markers nearly as much as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:59 PM
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Not if women only find a small percentage of men attractive (and those men tend to have similar immutable characteristics).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:41 PM
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According to that data, 1/4th of the male population is in the two "least attractive" categories compared to only 1/20th of the female population. Less than 20% of the male population is at or above that yellow line (medium attractiveness), compared to 60% of the female population. You do understand what that means, right? It means that the majority of women have a higher success rate in messaging the most attractive people of the opposite sex. Your data is strengthening the opposing argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 08:12 PM
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Maybe. But the fact that women can easily find a relationship in which the man is physically attracted to them shows that most women are found physically attractive by plenty of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:51 PM
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I mean, a lot of dudes can do whatever and still won't be physically attractive (just "loved" for their money). That's life. At least those women can change their body composition with effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:31 PM
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No, those women are viewed as sufficiently physically attractive by a lot of men. All they need to do is actually take care of themselves and make an effort. They have the hard part nailed down. No matter how much work a dude puts in, there's no guarantee that a woman will consider him physically attractive. He should do it anyway, for his own sake, but women have it easier finding potential mates, especially if they put in their bare minimum effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:07 PM
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If someone isn't taking care of themselves and putting their best foot forward in life — which is what any healthy human being does — why in the world would they assume that they're somebody else's first choice? In that case, they're not even bothering to control what's controllable; they're settling for mediocrity in their own life, so they should expect mediocre relationships with mediocre people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:27 PM
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I don't think you have to be terrified of anything to put on decent clothes. I've been through periods of my life where I didn't care, especially in my early 20s, and that mentality isn't one that I want to embrace again. It didn't benefit me. I get a lot more from holding myself to high standards when it comes to aspects of my life that provide benefits and aspects that I can control (especially ones that require so little effort).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 01:08 PM
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Terrified? LOL. Come on, dude. I'm not sloppy. I hold myself to higher standards, whether someone else is watching or not. And I do enjoy expressing myself with clothes. Plus, it's probably the easiest thing one can do to benefit socially, so I don't see the downside. When you dress like shit, you communicate to yourself, "I'm a sloppy dude who doesn't give a fuck." If that's the message you want to send to yourself every day, cool. That's not the message I want to send to myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 12:57 PM
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I guarantee that the vast majority of people who dress like shit and eat like shit feel like shit about themselves. Of course, you shouldn't obsess about what other people think about you, but ignoring reality (i.e., the fact that most people are going to judge you for your appearance) has consequences. Staying fit and dressing well are two things that are completely in the average person's control, and neither hurts the individual unless they're taken to the extreme. You're jumping straight to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 12:46 PM
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It doesn't take much effort to put on clean, well-fitting clothes (or, in the case of women, clothes that don't have your fupa and love handles hanging out the front and sides). The first thing people see is how you present yourself. If you present yourself as sloppy, just understand that people are going to see you as such, and your opportunities will be limited. If you're cool with that, good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 12:33 PM
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To me, staying fit and dressing well is basic shit. You do that out of self-respect, and if you're not doing it as an adult, then you probably hate yourself on some level. But I'd imagine what's stopping most men is the same thing that's stopping most women from being anything but overweight, sloppy, and social media addicted — and doing anything but living paycheck to paycheck (or relying on men for money).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 12:16 PM
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In most cases, that depends on how he acts. If the dude gives off the vibe of being desperate to get into someone's pants, yeah, how could everyone else not assume that? It's never been an issue for me. However, I never expect women to find me attractive. I don't expect anything from them. I don't even care if we stop being friends. I'm good either way. uninterested Right. I just don't think you have to be gay or married to give off an "uninterested" vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:54 PM
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I'm calm and warm, I think. If anything, it's just a sign that I'm comfortable to be around. I'm sure plenty of people look down on for being single, but I don't really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:31 PM
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Not bars, as I rarely drink. Yeah, I'll get invited to holiday parties (e.g., Thanksgiving), Super Bowls, beach/lake trips, etc. My closest friends are all dudes because I just have more in common with them and enjoy their company a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:18 PM
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I'm a middle-class white dude in a predominantly Hispanic area. I was born in another country, so neither my name nor my face screams American (even though I'm a US citizen and speak fluent English with a general American accent). I have some of the worst Eastern European male features smashed into one face. Still, most women are very kind to me in person — not at first glance, but definitely after they get to know me a bit. These are women who would never date someone like me. Perhaps upper-cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:42 PM
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Falling for it once is understandable. But after 25? After 30? I don't understand the ones who continue to do it. You have to be really out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:41 PM
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IMO the friend zone is a choice. I don't understand why anyone would choose it. But if you're a physically unattractive man, you're going to be viewed as a source of entertainment and a neutered male by many female friends, especially the ones who are way more physically attractive or higher status than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:23 PM
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That's how they see a lot of straight male friends too. IME a lot of women like collecting male "friends." I have never really found them to give much of a shit about a man's looks when it comes to "friendship" (from their perspective).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:12 PM
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Most people are often selfish and often kind. Are they "good"? I wouldn't go that far. They're neutral at best — sometimes good and sometimes vile. The more room they have to be selfish, the more selfish most of them will be. They're not out to get you; they're out to get something from you. It's not personal. You're a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:14 PM
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Obviously (almost everyone has aspects they should/can improve), but if you lack enough of the immutable, you're most likely going to struggle or end up being a BFF/wallet at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:02 PM
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I think most dudes like that here admit that they lack immutable characteristics that would make them attractive. I don't think there's anything to debate on that front.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:55 PM
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Yes, unless you're very handsome, tall, rich, or low-inhibition as a man, you're most likely going to have very few options. However, many people will infer that you're a bad person, because most people want to believe in a just world to comfort themselves. (Almost always, though, these will be people who don't know you well, so it doesn't matter IMO.) They'll also tell you that you should settle — and then they'll chastise you for settling when, inevitably, the relationship doesn't work out. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:53 PM
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I agree with your first paragraph. You, likely, decide on that matter before you have that relationship with a woman. Hm? Why get entangled with a woman who has glaring red flags? If she's fat (and you're not into that) or has kids with other men, why bother? You have to put in genuine effort to land a woman. If you're an average-looking dude, you need to pursue her, especially nowadays when you're competing with countless other dudes in her phone. But if all you see are red flags, you won't be …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 11:04 AM
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Being in a relationship with an attractive woman (at least enough for you to find her physically and emotionally attractive) who takes care of herself, shares your values, doesn't have major mental issues, makes wise decisions, and shows you love can be worth it. Everything else? I don't know about that. If you can't get that, you're absolutely better off alone IMO. We evolved specifically to prefer mating over not mating... for obvious reasons. Humans also evolved to shove as much hyper-palatab…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:37 AM
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I'm happier as a 34-year-old single man than I was as a 29-year-old engaged man who used to look forward to getting alone time. That said, I'm also wiser than I was then. Some dudes are so codependent that they project their desperation onto others. He could be worse off in a relationship with a woman he's not attracted to, or with a woman who has baggage and kids from other men. She doesn't need to be abusive for it to put him in a worse spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:33 AM
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Dating isn't necessary, so this isn't a "beggars can't be choosers" situation. We're not talking about a job or a home. A sane person, man or woman, can opt out of romantic relationships without harm. A bad gf or bf isn't better than no gf or bf. A bad job or house is better than no job or house for someone who's destitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:22 AM
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Obesity is recognized as a chronic disease. If she's obese at 50+, she's not healthy. In all likelihood, it's only a matter of time before her health gets even worse (which apples to younger obese women as well). If he's in good shape and wants a family, why would he marry an obese woman who can't have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 12:18 PM
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Yeah, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 12:00 PM
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Why do feminist journalists and some people on this sub act like the average young woman in America is driven, wealthy, intelligent, and fit compared to the average man? In reality, she earns an average salary, has an average IQ, and is overweight. That's how I know a lot of it is propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 11:44 AM
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So she is unhealthy, has had poor habits for decades, and can't give the man a family — why marry at that point? The other dude listed "open to having kids."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:09 PM
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Self-accountability — it's a pretty simple concept. If you make poor decisions (especially repeatedly), take responsibility for them. That said, a lot of terpers also fail to hold themselves accountable, as they act like gold diggers aren't easy to spot. (Why not just avoid women who don't want to work?) Then you have the idiot terpers who believe that men should be able to shirk responsibility for getting women pregnant, leaving the rest of society to deal with it. It's just that bloopers want …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 06:55 PM
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Is it "moral" (you brought this up) to feel entitled to someone else's resources? Is it "moral" to ask the most powerful people to force other people to cough up their excess productivity and give it to you (or someone else)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 04:29 PM
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Again, that's MOST attractive. What would be the MOST attractive height for a man? What would be the MOST attractive salary for a man? If men were that picky, the average woman would have trouble finding men who want to date her. But she doesn't, so this is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:17 PM
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The average woman has a wealth of options compared to the average dude. It's not all about sex like the other poster was trying to claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:30 PM
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Yes, it's unfortunate that not all women are landing sex gods, just like how it's unfortunate that not all men are getting with gorgeous women. But all of this goes beyond sex anyway. Women get a lot more options for relationships as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:12 PM
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Yeah, 100k in a month might not mean shit to the rich guy either. They want something more. Women don't want it as much because they can get it anytime. And for people who don't want it (lol), they sure consume a lot of written content that centers around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:37 PM
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LOL. They said he's lucky because he doesn't have to deal with their problems. I come from the dirt, and I just don't expect people to relate to my issues or experiences in life. It's very rare to find someone who actually tries to understand, and I go into any interaction knowing that. In most cases, it's not personal at all. People, especially younger ones, just tend to be very self-obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:25 PM
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I know it's not personal, but that attitude is not going to garner sympathy to begin with. And it's just as foolish for the dudes to try to get sympathy from the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:18 PM
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AFAIK nobody in this comment thread said anything about feeling sorry for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:14 PM
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The guys they're outright comparing to undrinkable water — they want those dudes to be sympathetic to their struggles. "Like, yeah, we're surrounded by you guys, but pretty much all of y'all are unappealing. Please sympathize with my struggles now."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:09 PM
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Most women have no issue finding men who are physically attracted to them. They tend to struggle with getting HAWT guys to commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:05 PM
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Can you please explain what that has to do with what I said? I'm missing your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:03 PM
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I'm saying that you really can't expect the average person, male or female, to have sympathy in that case. Of course, it's the right move, but it's not going to happen for most people. Unfortunately, very few people are that emotionally mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:01 PM
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But women want those dudes, whom they compare to undrinkable water, to be sympathetic to their struggles? I get it, but good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:33 PM
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Cliche — but it's like a rich guy born into wealth asking a poor guy to be sympathetic to his struggles. Sure, it would be nice. But given human nature? Good luck. Very few people want to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:19 PM
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The vast majority of dudes don't look like heart throbs and never will. Yeah, it can be cute to some women if it's coming from a very handsome, high-status, wealthy dude. The halo effect will do a lot of the heavy lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:05 PM
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Bloopers are now spouting the same points that Terpers were spouting 10 years ago on this subreddit. Really, the biggest difference is that Bloopers are eager to criticize men in general and refuse to criticize women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:49 AM
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Single mothers help create themselves by having kids out of wedlock with scumbags like Tate. It's not like Tate hides who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:47 AM
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I never said they should do anything. I'm saying that their desires are unreasonable. They don't need to lower their standards. They can continue being delusional. And, as I said, pretty much everyone has baseline requirements. Most average-looking, average-earning men would choose no woman over the most unattractive women. But if those men want supermodels, then they're delusional. That doesn't mean they should do anything. If they want, they can cross their fingers and hope for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:41 PM
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When it comes to relationships, they're delusional because life has shown them that they don't qualify for the man they want. If these women are choosing No Man then they are attaining something they want more than the men below they’re standards You can say that about almost anyone, though. Almost every person has baseline requirements. Just because someone's baseline requirements are higher than those of another person doesn't mean they're not delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:22 PM
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Nobody needs to lower their standards. But they're delusional. If someone wants long-term commitment from a very attractive and wealthy person and never gets long-term commitment from a very attractive and wealthy person, then their standards are likely unreasonable. They can still cross their fingers and play the dating lottery for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:09 PM
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I mean, the vast majority of women already do it. If some guys are offended, so be it. If short-term relationships with hot dudes make a woman happier, good for her. On both sides, there are people complaining. It's just that women can get laid infinitely easier, so they usually complain about other things. Most women will enter LTRs with men who are not as physically attractive simply because physically attractive men are very, very rare according to women (and according to studies). If the fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:29 PM
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I used to do stuff like this. In my case, it was due to holding in my frustration for too long. Basically, I was a pathetic coward, and she was ungrateful (and I resented her for it). I should've just left long before the relationship ended, but because of the sacrifices I made, I didn't want to acknowledge the sunk costs. No matter how many times I told her to take care of basic tasks, she continued to be careless. It would come out in short bursts, and I don't blame her for resenting me for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 12:47 PM
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Some women will treat an ugly dude with basic human decency and expect the guy to worship at their feet. The only reason a lot of these women even entertain these dudes is because they believe that women are entitled to being treated like queens by ugly men who are beneath any men they've had short-term relationships with. Ugly dudes know that ugly women aren't physically attracted to them either. If the dude is going to get the same treatment in the end either way, I can't blame him for aiming …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 12:19 PM
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Btw, that same “study” that showed the 80/20 - it also showed that the women messaged men across the spectrum whereas men only messaged the hotties. An actual study published in a peer-reviewed journal with a sample size of 8000+ men and 6000+ women didn't have similar findings. If you look at Table 4, you can see that the women also sent more messages to the top guys. And almost 1/5th of men received zero messages, compared to only 1/50th of women. When it came to the least desirable women, les…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 01:44 AM
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"Human doing" is not a typo.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:23 PM
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It's not necessary for most men to approach. Some dudes just get around. It would be a waste of time for most men to approach random women anyway, as women view average men as unattractive (until they see compatible dudes thriving in their social circles). I've seen the DMs of my exes. Often, they were from men they'd already met.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:53 PM
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Any dude who's ever had at least one average GF for an extended period knows better. Even if they're not fooling around on dating apps or posting thirst traps, average women still get plenty of messages on social media and approaches from men IRL. It's in a woman's best interest to pretend that she's always at a disadvantage, as this allows her to get more out of men who are eager to save the damsel in distress. Most women enjoy having security and being pampered. What's new?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:13 PM
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If you have to treat a woman significantly better than the other dudes she dated for significantly worse treatment in response, then the woman is not attracted to you. She wants you to compensate for your lack of physical attractiveness. Women don't have to compare themselves to top models because even average women are consistently pursued by the opposite sex and treated like physically attractive human beings, not physically unattractive human doings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:34 AM
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The problem for a lot of young men is they can only get a consistent supply of sex and validation from the opposite sex within a long-term relationship, and I think it's very rare for any young adult, male or female, to have that level of self-possession. It's a great goal, but it takes time and a lot of effort for many men. And I think once you do reach that point, it's hard to be emotionally invested. The focus shifts towards protecting what you have, including your peace, rather than building…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:29 AM
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If these young, lonely men are truly as unhinged and lost as bloopers claim, then maybe 20-something, 30-something, and 40+ YO men and women coming here to prod them all day for shits and giggles (and ego trips) isn't very wise. It would be wiser to look in the mirror and put out what you expect to get back. I don't have an issue with playfully teasing someone or calling someone out on their BS. But constantly rage-baiting young, self-hating, vulnerable, lost people—many of whom clearly have lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 11:55 AM
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What does that have to do with what I said? Just because some of the most unattractive women have BFs or husbands doesn't mean that the average dude would want to be in a serious relationship with those women. I wouldn't be with a 400 lb woman, and neither would any of my friends. How do we explain how some of the fattest dudes in the world have wives, while some fit men don't even have GFs? Just because some people have very low standards or put up with abuse doesn't mean that the same applies …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 03:04 AM
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If most average men are not eager or willing to enter serious relationships with unattractive women (the fattest and ugliest single moms serving as an extreme example of what most men would find repulsive), then whatever OP said applies to men as well. I'm not sure how you couldn't put that together yourself. I agreed with the poster above me. Most men know what it's like to choose between being in a relationship with an unattractive person and staying single. OP is doing nothing more than rage …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:00 AM
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That's a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:34 PM
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100%. OP posts pointless rage bait that targets a handful of black pillers. Misandrists upvote it and comment because they come to this sub to poke at the loneliest young dudes. It's not like the vast majority of average dudes would enter LTRs with the ugliest and fattest single moms—especially not once they've actually experienced how exhausting the average real relationship can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 09:01 PM
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I have. Why should a man determine what standards a woman should have? In the West, women determine their own standards. If a woman doesn't want a dude like that, she'll just reject him; if she does, both individuals get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:27 AM
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The man has his standards, and the woman has hers. It's possible (and probably very common) for a chaste woman to prefer experienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:24 AM
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Isn't that up to the individual woman to decide?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:21 AM
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If anyone acts entitled to something from me, I'm not paying for shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:13 PM
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Yet women never have a shortage of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 01:31 AM
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I never said men aren't attracted to niceness. IMO niceness is pretty much irrelevant to most women unless they're looking for BFFs and pet wallets.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:59 PM
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Why? Men and women are attracted to different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 10:00 PM
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Interesting. I never said men only care about niceness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:45 PM
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I find most people annoying and boring (and the feeling is likely mutual), but I think the friend zone is a self-created problem. If she's not up to par with your best friends, why not cut ties and move on?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:43 PM
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They like handsome, tall, strong, wealthy, charismatic, fun "good" dudes and "bad boys." Problem is, there aren't enough of the first type to go around for most women, and the "bad boys" are hot, experienced, and exciting (sometimes way more exciting than anything else an average woman can get in a stable LTR). Are there women who only want good men? Sure, there are some. But most dudes would benefit from letting the lovey-dovey shit go.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:33 PM
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So now women (in general, I assume) actually love fit dudes and bullies above all else, and dudes should pay attention to actions over words? This sub is hilarious. Bloopers are turning into Terpers from 2013 (just without the willingness to criticize women's behavior).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:19 PM
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Not at all. I think they wouldn't be so bummed out if they actually wanted that; more of them would focus on trying to change those women (kinda like how some women try to tame "bad boys").
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:49 PM
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I don't know what a straight dude would get out of watching two guys go at it. I'm straight and wouldn't find that appealing whatsoever, and I don't think I'm special. I wouldn't be surprised if there are that many bi men (though I doubt that stat is based on data from a legit study). It does seem a bit high, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was like 15% or more.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:39 PM
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LOL. At the very least, they're definitely bi. And in the right situation, they probably would. I doubt straight guys can get off to that. Ain't no way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:15 PM
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We're talking about serial killers specifically. And I never accused you of inventing any system. I quoted what you wrote in another reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:38 PM
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You'd be wasting your time in prison. Once someone has murdered an innocent human being, they've surrendered their privilege to be part of civilized society or in the gene pool IMO. Also, if they really are as charismatic and intelligent as you think (not all of them are), then what would stop them from playing therapists like a fiddle? Who says serial killers aren't kind or of good character? This one blew me away. Yeah, who's to say that the monsters who seek out innocent human beings like ani…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:33 PM
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They also tend to be psychopaths who murder innocent people and rob families of loved ones. A person cannot get any worse than that. I'm sure you'd want to ensure there's plenty of security around to protect you while you work as a therapist for those unsalvageable animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:47 PM
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What about this study in a peer-reviewed journal? There were 8,259 men and 6,274 women. Very few men were rated as average or above (Figure 2), and women tended to go for the most desirable men (Table 4). Almost 10 times as many men as women received zero messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 10:49 AM
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Women are the ones who are much more likely to write fanfics. And those stories usually depict a painfully average woman who becomes the object of obsession for a 0.0001% dude. For LTRs, ugly and average women have a longer list of options compared to ugly and average men. And they can hook up with men who aren't ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 10:41 AM
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Also, there are an infinite number of things to do and learn about on your own. I have professional music production software (with basically any instrument from around the world) that cost me just a few hundred bucks. On YouTube, I have access to free lectures from people who are the best at what they do. This type of stuff was reserved for a select few half a century ago. When I was young, I was obsessed with sports (and I still love playing basketball), but a few years ago, I lost interest in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 10:39 AM
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First and foremost, I want someone with similar values who knows that fantasy is bullshit and isn't looking for a savior or a dancing monkey. And there's no way I'm ever going to become a stepfather; no matter how awesome someone is, that life is not for me. Ideally, I'd like to be with the female version of myself. At this point, it ain't happening, of course, but that's what I want. I don't give much of a shit about looks, as long as she's relatively fit (comes down to values and lifestyle) an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 10:53 PM
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There aren't enough high earners for every woman. Marriage rates are low AF, and more than half of heterosexual marriages have a male breadwinner, compared to just 16% with a female breadwinner. The primary change is that there are fewer high earners for women to pair with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:40 PM
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You're right. And in most cases, they're probably right about their assumptions (and fears). A good chunk of people have to either settle hard or stay single. Desperation is foolish, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 01:01 PM
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What I'm saying is that, aside from asexual people and gold diggers, nobody on this planet wants to be with someone they're not somewhat physically attracted to. Why not just be friends at that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:55 PM
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Most of the ones who don't probably aren't swimming around in the singles pool for long. So when you enter that pool after a certain point, get ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:53 PM
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In most cases, a dude who can get with a hot woman has options other than a woman who's ugly. I'd assume that for a guy who's that attractive, both of the options you presented are unappealing. They'd probably take the average-looking nice woman over both.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:46 PM
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He chooses women based on looks, and he talks to several women at once, so a lot of it is his fault. IMO the women he dates are way out of his league looks-wise (though they're almost always single moms, and he's childless), but he's very outgoing and likes to party, so he meets women all the time. (I think what helps him quite a bit is that our county is predominantly Hispanic/Latino, and he dates exclusively within his own culture.) Every now and then, one of his relationships will stick for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 08:33 PM
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In my opinion, average young men are going to have to eschew distractions and start building strong communities and supporting each other like they did in the past. When it gets to the point where the average young man can't afford to be distracted, I think many of them will shift their mindsets. It'll be a gradual process. This weird, brief period we're living in now — one with constant internet access and sedation — is nothing like anything a human has ever experienced before. Isolating yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:33 PM
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If you hate men, just say that. Men have always organized, but men are more tribal; women are smaller and physically weaker (and are less likely to take risks on average), so they basically have to organize as one big group to gain an advantage. In reality, most men aren't asking feminists to do anything. When the men at the top actually have a reason to pretend to give a shit about the men at the bottom and middle class (i.e., their potential competitors), things will change. In the past, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:14 PM
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Yeah, dude, not surprising; it's not like men helped build civilized society and risked their lives to defend their loved ones from invaders for thousands of years. Organizing is something only women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:59 PM
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Also, contempt can be mistaken for confidence. If you're around people you don't respect, it's easy to appear ridiculously confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:26 PM
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I have a friend who always has to go home and talk to his GF on the phone. He doesn't have the balls to just say no to anything a woman tells him to do. (He gets a new GF every few months, and she's always a thirst-trapping bimbo, so it's not like they have anything particularly important to talk about.) He's been doing this for 10 years now, and it has never ended well for him. The more failed relationships he has, the worse his health and motivation seem to get. His binge drinking is definitel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:11 PM
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IME finding a woman who shares my experiences, interests, values, and energy is so rare that when I do find one, I pursue her if she's single (and those women are pretty much never single). I'm not saying that women make bad friends. I'm saying that I'm infinitely more likely to be naturally drawn to men as friends. (And by friends, I mean actual friends, not acquaintances.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:41 PM
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Maybe you do connect with your partner on that level but you don't connect with most women on that level. That's been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:33 PM
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For me, we need to connect on a certain level (beyond merely sharing values and interests), and there has to be a certain level of trust built between us. As we both know, it's not a checklist; it's intuitive. And, of course, each woman will have her own standards for friendship that I'll have to meet on her end.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:02 PM
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I never said I had an issue with acquaintances. But acquaintances aren't friends. I have a handful of genuine friends that I actually consider to be friends. I'm willing to go out of my way to help friends, and they'll do the same for me. I don't have the time or willingness to do that for each acquaintance, and I damn sure don't expect them to do that for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:56 PM
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There are a lot of people I share common values and interests with that I'm not "friends" with. LOL. I do think that access to a person on that level is an exclusive club, yeah. Being anyone's genuine friend (and not just acquaintance) is absolutely a privilege. And if you want to talk about dafuq — being a good friend goes way beyond merely sharing values and interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:45 PM
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I never claimed they were. I'm not required to do anything either. But if I expect to become their friend, I have to win them over (and the same applies the other way around) — unless you're saying that you should accept anyone as a friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:40 PM
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Because I treat individuals with respect and give them a chance to win me over. And once they win me over, I'm an extremely loyal friend. I don't owe anybody anything until they prove to me that they deserve it. And the same applies the other way around. It makes you a bad partner who only desires a woman for use he can get out of her. No. I understand that every person carries their own biases and traumatic memories. I judge people by how they treat individuals. You can do as you wish. To women…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:36 PM
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I can think that the vast majority of women are boring and have vapid hobbies without thinking that all women do. I can also think that the vast majority of women are spoiled and self-obsessed without thinking that all women are. IME men are just better friends to me. That doesn't make me a "bad" person. I wouldn't think a woman is a "bad" person if she said that women are better friends in general; I'd believe her. To me, it really comes down to how you treat individuals, not how you view the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:24 PM
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If you marry a woman who demands that you prop her up and shower her with attention (i.e., the average woman), get ready to hold your L in due time. The vast majority of women are not marriageable IMO. Either you find a self-actualized woman with a strong sense of self (rare AF) or you don't attach yourself to a woman. Why cater to her emotional roller coaster to begin with? What did you expect would happen when you stopped? Hold yourself accountable FFS (because she's not going to hold herself …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:13 PM
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the bell curve for intelligence for men is much flatter than it is for women - as in, there are a higher percentage of men who are below and above average This isn't an established fact. There's still disagreement about that hypothesis, as contradictory evidence exists. Also, even now, most proponents of that hypothesis are not claiming that the curve is "much flatter."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:29 PM
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No, but telling yourself that working a job for a company that doesn't give a damn about you (while chasing status and fake validation from fake friends, and accumulating material possessions) is the ultimate win seems foolish to me. We've ended up with a fat, materialistic, nihilistic population filled with broken families (and obsessed with escapism). Mission accomplished, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:21 PM
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It's not just women. Many people in the business world look down on you for having an Android. I'm not switching to an iPhone, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:43 PM
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If you want to celebrate being self-worshipping, status-obsessed consumerists and corporate drones, go for it. Just know that poor countries can't afford to play pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:08 AM
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To some degree, yes. I wouldn't be perfectly content with the bare minimum, but I'm perfectly content with optimizing what I have now. I've realized that a decent family life isn't in the cards for me, so I've decided to go back to school and pivot to a new career in my 30s rather than commit to the highest paying job I can get in a field that I hate and grind as much as possible (even if I'm good at what I do). There's no point in wearing myself down. It doesn't necessarily involve living in sq…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 11:14 PM
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Because certain things sound good to others and feel good to say/believe. Unfortunately, humans tend to suck quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 08:05 PM
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AFBB. It's basic Red Pill, so I doubt very few men here realize it. Those are the same type of dudes a lot of women will cheat on their husbands with too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 09:51 PM
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Average women get a bunch of attention and validation, and below average women get some. Another thing is that men rate the majority of women as above average, whereas the opposite is true when it comes to women rating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 08:19 PM
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I think the framing of the male loneliness epidemic is complete bullshit, because it doesn't just apply to men, and the stats reflect that. The self-reported loneliness rates between men and women are exactly the same. Anyway, I've made it clear: Ugly and average men don't get any positive reinforcement from attractive people of the opposite sex. None. There's no reason for ugly dudes to think they have a shot at hot women, unless those men have an intellectual disability or significantly strugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:14 PM
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It goes both ways. But I already made it clear that both sexes were shallow. My point is it’s the exact same for women who aren’t hot or fit into conventional feminine roles Only difference is that those women will still have plenty of serious options from 18-50. Women are not short on options; they just don't want their equals, and I don't blame them past a certain level of unattractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:48 PM
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First off, being a young man does not make you above average at all, as the vast majority of men are seen as physically unattractive whether they're in their 20s or their 60s. Being a broke young guy who's still trying to figure out the world (and his purpose) is neither masculine nor attractive; unless you look like a model, you're not attracting many women in that situation. What matters most for average-looking men are masculine traits that are typically developed through experience and hard …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:28 PM
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The percentage of 26 or younger women who are single and not obese is a lot higher—and that's what's relevant to 26 or younger men, who also make up a small percentage of the male population. In the US, the average age gap is 2-3 years (and the largest age gaps occur when men get older, typically during 2nd marriages). Bringing up elderly ladies in a discussion about young men and their preferences is asinine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:16 PM
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Because young men who are looking to mate don't want to commit resources to infertile women who are decades older than them? Yeah, sure. Those women don't want average young men either. And every woman in her 20s and 30s is a Stacy? Do you believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:02 PM
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My point is that most women don't view men as human beings either. (Obviously, most dudes are shallow, but they're mostly looking for other traits, as you said; they're definitely not looking for height.) And "dream girl"? I accepted that I would never get my "dream girl" back when I was in my teens. Average and below dudes don't get any positive reinforcement from hot women, so they adapt early. They don't have the option to turn on a phone and receive validation, attention, and intimacy from v…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 01:08 PM
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The average dude isn't asking for a woman's height or prodding for her income before deciding whether he should actually get to know her as a "human being." The vast majority of women don't give a flying duck about men as "human beings" either. Who cares? Because the women that don't behave like that are still seen as the same because all they can get is sex. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:05 PM
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No, because an elderly woman is out of the mating game. I wouldn't bother dating if I were an elderly man. What's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 11:22 AM
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Generally, men don't tell women that they struggle to get interest from the opposite sex because they're not good people. (That's partly because all women get interest from the opposite sex, but w/e.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:34 PM
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Also, no, good looking people don’t act worse than non-conventionally good looking people. That has to do with life experiences and bitterness and defensiveness actually have a lot more to do with that. They just told you that it doesn't have to do with good-looking people acting worse, but with good-looking people who are also "good" being less likely to be in the singles pool. And they're right. On average, the ugly-looking "bad" men are going to be ignored (and definitely left-swiped just bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 10:07 AM
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High standards when it comes to what exactly? Do you only want dudes over 6'3", immediately eliminating 97% of the dudes (probably more in the singles pool) available to you? I mean, yeah those are high standards — dumb AF on their own (especially if prioritized above all else) but high. Priorities are the issue. If you choose to prioritize things like looks and money at the expense of character, why would you be surprised by the outcome in the long term? If you skimped on character because you …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:09 PM
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More common for sure. In 1880, the average age gap was 5 years. Since 1970, the average age gap in the US has dropped from 3.0 to 2.2, but it hasn't really moved much since 2000. My mother is a year older than my father, and they got married almost 40 years ago; the same goes for my dad's best friend. But I also know several couples with 10+ year gaps (including two women I was friends with in HS whose husbands are 25-30 years older, making those men about as old as my father). Age gaps (and div…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 12:06 PM
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Meant to reply to your other comment, but the vast majority of obese women have no excuse to be obese — especially considering that they're putting their children at a much higher risk of growing up without a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 02:36 PM
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The feigning of victimhood is often the main source of power for evil women — and a "In Case Of Emergency, Break Glass" box for many of the rest. Also, I don't know why so many men are obsessed with getting them to admit anything. The truth is right in front of you. Process it in a healthy manner, and move forward with your own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 02:33 PM
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Obese women also have a significantly higher risk of maternal death compared to healthy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:42 AM
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The men I connect with are just more emotionally stable and share more common experiences and interests, even if we disagree on a whole host of things. Friendships with women can be a great thing, and obviously there's nothing wrong with them; however, for me, friendships with women just tend to be way more superficial and distant — which is fine, because I only have enough time for a handful of genuine friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:51 AM
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Living on an average salary isn't really "living" in the mind of the average person. If the average woman sees her friends getting married and having more money to spend, odds are high that she's going to want that (and the status boost) too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:41 PM
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don’t need the money these days For the average person, this is bogus. IME few people are satisfied with the lifestyle of the average single person, especially when they're bombarded with snapshots of the good life on social media. The cost of living is at the point where you need two salaries to afford the lifestyle level that families could afford back in the day on one blue-collar salary. With long-term BFs and husbands, women get some extra disposable income and a man servant. And he can be …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 01:06 PM
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And don't marry a single mom, because the chances of divorce for blended families is like 60-70% (almost as bad as it is for third marriages).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:41 AM
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What you're saying doesn't make any sense to me. Some men were rated significantly higher, and those men received significantly more messages from women. Even the women in the lowest quintiles of attractiveness went after much more attractive men; the least desirable women sent only 10% of their messages to men at their level of desirability, and that's saying something considering that a much larger chunk of men than women were at that level of desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:06 PM
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The ratings in that study came from other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:02 PM
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Online dating studies have found that women rate most men as below average. That's at first glance and based on photos for the most part. I'd say in real life, an average-looking guy has a better shot of charming a woman. Just look at how few men are actually attractive to women on a physical level.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 11:40 AM
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I'd commit because, when it comes to romance, all I've ever really wanted to do was build a strong, stable, wealthy, healthy family. That would lead to the most fulfillment for me. However, I think the majority of my friends wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:13 AM
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For the most part, excitement and novelty at the expense of character and the willingness to provide/commit. IMO what I listed are the things that matter most for developing the healthiest and most stable long-term relationships, which then tend to produce children who grow up to be mentally and physically healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:58 PM
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The issue is that the vast majority of women do eventually lower their standards quite a bit, so you end up with the same situation described in your first sentence, just a few years to a decade later. Most can't seem to go without having at least something similar to what their highest status friends have, which is eventually a stable marriage and a family with an attractive and high-status man (and a nicer house, a nicer car, trips, etc.). However, most don't qualify for a high-quality man, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 12:55 PM
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Some people are just ugly, so they either settle (accepting that the other person won't find them to be hot) or stay single. In my 20s, I never found any of the women who were into me physically attractive whatsoever. I just accepted that I wasn't particularly physically attractive (given that I was already in shape) and prioritized other aspects of them, thinking that lust had little to do with love. However, I think your sentiment is correct, and I know better now, which is why I'd rather stay…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:17 AM
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I mean, the only way either one is a threat is if they're aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:22 PM
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I want to live alone but do so in a community with people who have intact families. I'm a bit selfish. And though I'm a libertarian, I'd be fine with rewarding healthy, intact families through tax credits and cuts, as those people (as rare as they are) a big reason why our society functions so well IMO. I don't want to be in a culture where a significant chunk of the future generation are being raised by single moms (with absent fathers) who have "relationships" with one dumbass to the next. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:20 PM
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I would still take the man because it's undoubtedly a wrap if the bear is aggressive. With an aggressive man, there's at least a chance to buy time, de-escalate, or even get a lucky hit in the right place. I completely understand why women might choose the bear; I just think it's a foolish choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:56 PM
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Man. The vast majority of men aren't violent, and I'd have an infinitely better chance of being able to defend myself from an aggressive man (especially if I have a gun with me).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:45 PM
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Right, I'm not saying your perspective isn't valuable, but I think people should be willing to look at the average person and take that into consideration. You brought up that women can achieve on their own, but most women are not even close to being high achievers; most people — men and women — don't even possess the drive, discipline, and/or intelligence required to excel IMO. And people tend to compare themselves upwards, especially nowadays with social media. Being an average person who can …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:15 PM
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But that's just you. Like the average man, the average woman doesn't achieve much in life, so she's drawn to a man's money and status. Even if she lands a dude who barely earns more than she does, her spending power increases. And like the average man, the average woman isn't crushing it; she is overweight and undisciplined, earns an average salary, and has an unremarkable IQ. The few women who are high achievers are drawn to men who've achieved even more. Also, men are very much objectified for…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:05 PM
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I didn't say that's where he's met all of his GFs. But a lot of single moms do go to bars, especially if they have older kids. What I'm saying is that he's a party animal (and a bit of an alcoholic IMO). He works at a higher-end restaurant and a restaurant/bar — one as a server and another as a bartender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:43 PM
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It's a good way for them to marry up. Yep, I have a friend like this. Over the last 10+ years, he's dated more beautiful, curvy (actually curvy) women than any man I know despite being an inch shorter than average, balding, and significantly overweight (with serious health issues in his early 30s). However, every woman he's been with has been a single mom (including a couple who were like 5+ years older than him). His ex-wife was a single mom. He flunked out of community college. He has a shitty…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:53 PM
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I don't compliment strangers whatsoever, and I'm very careful with compliments toward women at work. I definitely don't compliment anyone's appearance unless it's a close friend in a casual setting. F that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:27 PM
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Most of all, I don't want to deal with another man and his family, and I'm not incentivized to raise another man's child. I just don't feel a desire to burden myself. Plenty of dudes are fine with getting with single moms. If a single mom's dating pool shrinks a bit, so what? Broke dudes with a bad credit score have a smaller dating pool. Ugly dudes have a smaller dating pool. Short, fat dudes have a smaller dating pool. Some of those guys are great human beings, but they're not particularly att…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:12 PM
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I want someone who's going to make my life better, not worse. I don't want to be chosen as someone's savior again. The fewer burdens, the better. Right now, I want serious commitment with someone who's similar to myself. However, if I'm still single in my 40s, and starting a family is no longer possible, I'll opt for serial monogamy with long bouts of singlehood.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:55 PM
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until I start to find a buyer for my car that actually wants to keep it for the long haul. Unlike with cars, there aren't enough satisfactory options for everyone with something to offer. Human connections are a lot more complex. On an individual level, we don't need each other anymore, so there's little reason for anyone to settle hard. Of course, most people settle anyway, often due to FOMO. and at that point will need to double down to dodge regret Any regret they feel will be based on fantas…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:06 PM
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I disagree with both of you. That first comment didn't come from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:29 PM
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I strive to be as good of a human being as possible, living in accordance with my values. That doesn't mean the respect will be reciprocated (as demonstrated throughout my life) — and it doesn't mean that anybody owes me anything. As a grown man, it's my job to defend myself, provide for myself, and enforce my boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:00 PM
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Respect? In what world? I've never been owed respect. It's my job to enforce my boundaries. Random people don't owe me a damn thing. I'm not sure where all of this entitlement comes from. Men whining about being owed anything, especially sex (which anybody can live without), are pathetic IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:43 PM
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What do you mean? Who's not dating? Only a third of women 18-29 are not already in a committed relationship — and only like one-sixth of women in in the 30-49 age bracket are single. And that's just committed relationships. Young women are, without a doubt, dating. They can't seem to get enough of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:22 PM
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It's fake, though. They just project some imaginary version of you onto the real you. IME as long as a man somewhat fits the mold on a superficial level, the woman fills in the rest with her imagination (and ignores some of the man's flaws). Eventually, the real person shines through — because it's impossible for anyone to live up to an imaginary version of themselves over the long run — and the woman might not like what she sees.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:23 AM
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emotionally available , considerate , kind , one that listens to their feeling , pays attention to details None of this is actually "attractive" to a lot of women. Neither is washing the dishes and vacuuming, or whatever feminists come up with. These things just make some women feel comfortable (and in some cases, comfortable enough to take everything for granted). It they run into a handsome, tall, and/or high-status dude who's charismatic (with an edge) and makes them feel something "special,"…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:00 AM
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I agree, but you also don't have to dehydrated to be cut. In that pic, Eli has an average build for an upper-class male in his 20s or early 30s IMO. He's a tad fat but fine. Dude in the OP is at like 10% BF. Dudes like DK Metcalf play high-level football at a much lower body fat percentage. I perform much better when I'm at a lower BF% (down to a certain point, though not willing to go lower).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:30 PM
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He's really good at throwing a football (compared to the average person). That doesn't mean he's not fat in that pic (though it's probably not him in peak condition, as it looks like that pic was taken either during the offseason or after retirement). Did it warrant the mockery? No, and the average person shouldn't be throwing stones.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:09 PM
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I had a woman tell me she's not into a certain type of dude only to eventually cheat with said type. Her sister did something similar before that, though she didn't cheat. She'd rant about how she's not into a certain type of dude; then she got in with said type like half a year later. IME women's emotions are so fleeting that I've learned to just appreciate their words in the moment. Beyond that, there's often very little to take away from whatever they tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:05 AM
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That's not a doom mindset. It's an observation. (I don't even believe that most women aren't actually into ripped and muscular dudes.) I'm just saying, if that's really the case, then guys are incentivized to become more unhealthy because we've become so deeply detached from healthy habits and standards. Most people settle, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:01 PM
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That's a good point. But it's kinda hard to accomplish for healthy men now that the average 5'3.5" American woman weighs about as much as the highest end of "Normal" BMI for a 5'10" male (i.e., a healthy American man of average height). So dudes who want a mate are now incentivized to become less healthy just to look bigger than women and increase their chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:28 PM
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I'm about the same build as the dude in the OP, and I'd say it's closer to 3 in normal lighting (and with the arms down). The best thing about #3 is that finding clothes that fit perfectly is easy. I think the lighting is throwing a lot of the women off. That's the type of lighting they have in certain dressing rooms IME. When I take my shirt off in those places, I look ridiculously shredded, to the point where I blow myself away. When I take my shirt off at home, my torso looks good, but it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:17 PM
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Grifters gotta sell you a problem only they can solve. IMO the black pill is what sells men the message that they have to be perfect specimens. I think getting into a LTR is fairly easy as long as you have a decent job and low standards. Getting into a relationship you actually want to be in (and staying in it) is the hard part. And for that, some of TRP's advice may help, though "spinning plates" and "negging" aren't things I would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:16 PM
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I've been 8, 9, 7, 11-ish, and now 3. I was bulky when I did bodybuilding in my early 20s, but dudes with my frame require so much food and heavy lifting to maintain that level of muscle. It was so unhealthy and pointless. I basically had to spike my insulin throughout the day and force myself to eat, so I just gave that shit up after like 5 years, knowing that it was going to hurt my longevity. I feel way better at #3, and I'd rather live into my 90s like my grandpas. And my current lifestyle d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:24 PM
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It's complex, but some things are clearly more attractive. Like, sure, you can find dudes if you're an obese, aggressive woman, but working to change certain aspects of yourself is going to open you up to a whole other world of options, increasing your chances of finding someone you're actually interested in. Same goes for dudes; except it's probably even more important for dudes, because the average dude has fewer options to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:15 PM
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I'd say almost all women take personality into account, but some masculine personalities are more attractive than others. The the only reason I've ever had women interested in me was personality (aside from when I was in higher status positions compared to certain women). It sure as shit wasn't due to my ugly mug.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:10 PM
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TBF the most popular one in that image was a dude with a lot of water retention and bulkier biceps (most likely due to certain enhancements). Under normal lighting and with a normal pose (and no lens distortion compared to the pic on the left), the dude on the right in your original post would probably fall under #3, which was a very popular choice according to that image.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:06 PM
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He's also flexing a bit on the right and is under slightly stronger lighting, which makes the grooves pop even more (and his head shine like the sun). His head looks a bit squished in the second pic — probably lens distortion. In reality, the version on the right is likely stronger and has better endurance after 3 months of training.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:59 PM
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I've seen women claim Jason Momoa had a dad bod in one of those beach pics. And Eli Manning was never known as an elite athlete. He was a good (but very lucky) QB who was far from athletic. Hell, I ran a faster 40 yard dash as a scrawny HS kid than Eli ran at the NFL combine, but I was never close to being an "elite" athlete, or even a good one. You don't need to be in amazing shape to be a good NFL quarterback. You need to be able to make good decisions on the fly and have solid arm talent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:07 PM
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A lot of those dudes are far from natural. I think one problem is that women and dudes who've never done bodybuilding think those are natural physiques.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:45 PM
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Uh, yeah, sure. I have something close to that physique and an "overweight" BMI. That's not skinny. It's a naturally jacked physique. Even OP is saying the dude on the left looks strong. However, that version has less muscle than the version on the right, so I don't know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:43 PM
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IIRC one study found that women rate jacked physiques higher for one-night stands and less jacked physiques higher for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:18 PM
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Yes, he has some definition. Those are the few grooves. I'm talking about six pack abs. Unless someone is flat-out fat, they're going to have some ab definition. The guy on the right is jacked underneath the fat (and he has a naturally strong frame that many guys don't have).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:16 PM
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Because most people are legitimately fat. They're not 3 months (or less) away from being shredded like he is in the first pic. Again, he's in lighting that makes abs pop, yet you can barely see any grooves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:02 PM
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He looks strong, but he doesn't have abs. He's in the best lighting possible for abs, and there are barely any visible grooves. Put him in the average room and you won't see anything. The lighting applies to the version on the right as well. His abs are super visible because he's in the best possible type of lighting. There's nothing freakish about his physique; he looks really healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:42 PM
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Most dudes are fat (or skinny fat), so jacked dudes are rare, and most women wouldn't be able to land a jacked dude for a stable LTR (or offer him a compatible lifestyle).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:36 PM
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Sure, and many probably do. However, I've heard women say height, money, and other things don't matter. I've heard women who choose one POS after another say all they want is a kind gentleman. I've heard a lot of people say a lot of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:31 PM
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And it's a relatively handsome dude. Take the average dude (most guys) with the average frame. In most cases, he will look better ripped (to a reasonable extent) than not ripped, even if he's wearing clothes. His jawline will pop more, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:30 PM
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Again, we've seen women go crazy for our abs and toned muscles. Most of us have never seen women go nuts for our love handles. Also, look on the cover of erotica novels for women. Most of those dudes have visible abs (and roided physiques). Women can say whatever they want, but dudes see what actually gets results and attracts the most attention. Handsome and high-status dudes will get attention no matter what, of course. IMO the dude in the photo is handsome, and the version on the left looks s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:07 PM
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Because I've seen women in general go crazy for abs and toned muscles. I don't deny that many prefer the body on the right, but generally, surveys tend to find that body fat isn't attractive in men. Also, the dude on the left is already very fit. You're not going to look like the guy on the right after just 3 months of working out and eating well unless you have a solid base. He just lost some body fat. That said, I don't think dudes should base their health goals on what women want. A lot of du…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:58 PM
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I'm talking about the OP and the other person's comment that you responded to (the one about "owning it"). I don't know what you're talking about or wishing to accuse me of. If someone has severe facial asymmetry and several facial features that are not conventionally attractive, they're most likely ugly. I know this well. They need to get over it and stop taking it out on others who haven't done anything to them. Why only focus on the ugly ones? It’s shitty when attractive women flip out as wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:57 AM
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If someone is flipping out on another ugly person for respectfully showing interest, they likely have significant unresolved issues related to their ego. I'm not worried about anything. I'm responding to a comment on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:52 AM
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I mean, maybe you'll never get anyone who sticks around; that's a real possibility if you're genuinely ugly. Oh well. Focus on what you can control: stay fit and well-groomed, dress well, be kind (not a people pleaser), and get money. If you express disgust or take offense when another ugly person hits on you, then you clearly have an ego issue (and probably other internal issues) that needs to be resolved. I'm ugly AF due to things that are out of my control. I'm not surprised when certain peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:46 AM
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Nobody is required to do anything. But it's best for them to get over it. There's nothing wrong with owning it. If you're ugly, you're ugly. Learn how to build real confidence around things that are actually under your control, and stop deluding yourself and seeking validation from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:31 AM
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I have. It's annoying. But the few loud ones complaining about that have a few screws loose (and a lot of them are not the brightest). I've also made it clear that if a person prioritizes physical attraction, dominance, and money so far above everything else (and at the expense of other things that contribute to successful long-term relationships), I really don't want to hear their whining and finger-pointing when it turns out that their partner lacks character or loyalty. But I'm going to hear …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:17 AM
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Young men are too focused on being good-looking enough/strong enough/lift enough that swarms of women will throw themselves at him for his choosing. And you’ve got young women wanting to make connections but nobody wants to use that much energy on one person without results first. Typical "men bad, women good." A lot of women are chasing attention and validation (particularly from high-status men); they just get a lot more of it. But we're gonna pretend that women are just looking for wholesome …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:04 PM
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IMO truly loving someone else in a healthy way requires having so much love for yourself that you can share some with another person without being completely destroyed if the relationship ends for whatever reason, be it betrayal or loss. People who are obsessed with their trauma tend to seek love from others (in an attempt to "fix" themselves). They don't have any real love to share. I don't think people who haven't dealt with their trauma should be looking to date. They should be focusing on ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:10 AM
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I don't really have a problem with distrust. I don't even consider that baggage TBH. Trust should be hard-earned. My issue is when they've spent 10+ years hopping from one toxic dude to the next and, as a result, developed habits that prevent them from staying loyal to (or genuinely appreciating) a man who isn't like that. The next decent dude who signs up for that type of reclamation project is likely getting his life f'd up in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 12:19 AM
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I wouldn't be offended, though. I don't change my grooming habits, so if my facial hair (or whatever) wasn't a problem when we got together, then why is it a problem now? I just know that I carry myself about as well as I can given my limitations. I'm fit and well-groomed, and I wear clean, well-fitting, elegant clothes. If I were a fat slob who dressed like shit and didn't wash himself, shave, or keep his hair tidy, a wake-up call certainly wouldn't hurt. I've always thought that most women loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:56 PM
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I don't care. I keep myself well-groomed. If they don't like how I look at my best, then they can move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:02 PM
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It's not, but older people tend to look sloppy. The vast majority of people just don't take care of themselves. Two decades (or more) of poor habits do a lot of damage to a person, and many people accumulate stress and unhealthy crutches as the responsibilities of adulthood pile up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 11:12 AM
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Everybody settles to a certain degree. The lucky few are those mature enough to accept reality and support each other despite each person's immutable shortcomings. However there is no indicators saying that she's not attracted to that. The same applies to men: Just because the husband finds other women attractive doesn't mean he's not physically attracted to his wife. Also, let's not act like the average woman wouldn't prefer being with a 6'5", handsome, and jacked version of their BF or husband…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:56 PM
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When they are challenging their mate value, sane wholesome people are pairing up. You're right—and this seems to be more common nowadays, especially with what's littering people's feeds on social media. In some ways, I guess I'm challenging my mate value right now. However, I'd rather be single for the rest of my life than attach myself to a single mom who's not compatible with my lifestyle. (Not to mention, blended families have an abysmal divorce rate.) I have only myself to blame for wasting …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:36 PM
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I don't think OP realizes there were enough women who didn't have such standards, and the majority of the men she is describing are already taken by those women. That's a great point. This absolutely gets worse over time, as you seem to have realized already. Bingo. IMO this is why it's so dumb for older dudes to tell young men that they'll have more success later. If a man's idea of "success" is more low-quality options, sure. But if he wants to maximize his chances of landing a high character …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:06 AM
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I'm 33, so I'm a millennial, and I'm above everything she listed there when it comes to physical attributes. I don't see myself as far above average at all—aside from maybe being significantly fitter than the vast majority of men my age. One of my best friends is a year younger than me. He and I are very similar—though I'm a few inches taller and in better shape (he's still relatively fit), and he earns a lot of money and has more conventionally attractive facial features (including blue eyes). …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 11:13 PM
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I just avoid approaching (as a result, also avoiding marriage for now) and minimize interactions with women who aren't family or genuine friends. I'm not interested in dating in the foreseeable future, and I don't want to deal with any drama or get into some kind of "friendship" where I'm expected to do XYZ or text all the time. I'm pretty happy with the people I have around me right now—and I'm pivoting toward a new career, so I'm focused on that more than anything else (and don't need any dist…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:54 PM
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Most of her physical requirements are average at best; that makes things easier for her. She's willing to date up to a decade older; that makes things easier for her too. A lot of dudes don't start making good money until their 40s, so plenty of dudes who struggled to find a decent options in their 30s solely due to lacking in the income department can really hit their stride in their late 30s or early 40s. Sure, it's not necessarily going to be easy, but it's never really easy for dudes to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:03 PM
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I disagree. Average-looking dudes in their early 40s don't have a lot of fit, childless women to choose from. IMO the average single woman in her 30s is not marriage or LTR material: overweight, likely has kids from a previous relationship, and is likely in debt. Given her description, she's above average for a single woman of that age group, so she stands out plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:08 PM
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Even when it comes to what you're talking about, I think what you're failing to consider is that maybe men neither crave nor need quite as much support or as many "caring friendships" as women do on average. Given that both sexes report similar levels of loneliness (despite the woman "nurturing community and love around her," as you put it), I'm going to lean toward trusting my hunch on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 01:45 AM
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What does that have to do with what the other guy said? Imagine a world in which every average dude could receive hundreds of messages on his phone from eager women who find him physically attractive; sometimes, these women even approach him in public. Some of these women are down to initiate casual relationships, and others are down to take him out on dates and explore the potential of something more serious. Now, imagine another world in which every average dude receives endless hugs and const…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:37 AM
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Ok, so do you believe that a lack of "caring friendships" is a bigger reason why many average young men are more desperate? You don't think that significantly fewer options (for both casual or long-term relationships) and significantly less validation (if any) from the opposite sex have more to do with it? IMO if average dudes knew they had a never-ending line of FWB options and long line of relationship options to choose from (while playing the passive role of the pursued rather than the active…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:06 AM
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Young women are rarely single, though, so I don't think friends has anything to do with this. What average women have over average men is an abundance of dating options. They also have a never-ending supply of validation from the opposite sex, which makes them less desperate. For men, it's often feast or famine. Either you're that guy or you're just another guy (who lands occasional LTRs that cost you a lot of effort and money to compensate for the fact that you're not that guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:56 PM
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There are lots of men who have standards and requirements for women they date, they just tend to be in relationships more often than desperate men do. If you mean that men with standards tend to have longer relationships, I can see that. However, my male friends who fit that mold also tend to go through much longer periods of being single. Meanwhile, my male friends who are desperate to get laid are single for very brief periods; they're constantly in relationships that last anywhere from a few …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:19 PM
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The average dude here is a young man. Why should he want an older woman? Less than one in five women in the 30-49 age bracket are single. Therefore, the average woman (5'4", 174 lb, and 37 YO) is in a committed relationship. The majority of 18-29 YO women are in committed relationships. The majority of 18-29 YO men are not in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:16 AM
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Some just want a woman with similar values. And then you could say that high n count people are more likely to cheat and even that makes no sense because people are generally single while having different sex partners. Ok, but people who sleep around are building a habit (and feeding an addiction) that revolves around novelty. In many cases, it's going to make it more challenging to stay loyal to one person. Either way, I don't think a logical explanation is necessary here. If someone finds some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:19 AM
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LOL — what? On average, women are way pickier about pretty much everything. Also, the vast majority of young women wouldn't want anything to do with the man I described above, and rightfully so. If they really want a relationship, they can get one with a young guy who's neither bald nor fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:46 PM
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So? I'm sure women in the same age bracket as the average dude here would respond very well to a 5'9" 37 YO chubby dude who earns an average salary and has significant hair loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:19 PM
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Actually, my partner has all those qualities, and I'm happy to be with her. Awesome. That's what I'm talking about. So did my previous ex. If I wasn't with her I'd rather be single, that's why I keep on encouraging men to find their equals, but then again, maybe some will be happier settling, though I cannot understand that concept. I told myself the same thing before we broke up. It's values over everything for me. If you don't take care of your body, our values don't align. If you sleep around…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:50 PM
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Yeah, why would most fit, healthy, hard-working men be eager to attach themselves to unfit and infertile women? It makes sense for young women to have much higher physical standards (due to seemingly endless options), and it's true that men and women look for different things; however, it also makes sense for healthy men to prefer being single over pairing up with someone who can't even respect their own body or someone with only problems to offer. I'd be with the female version of myself, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:28 PM
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Of course it doesn't make sense. If a woman wants a stable relationship with a respectful guy, she can get it. Reasonably fit young women who put themselves out there have an unfathomable amount of options — especially these days. IMO if a woman has a history of unstable relationships, it means she has other priorities. Deep down, she most likely doesn't value stability, respect, and mutual support as much as she values other things. And if you're a respectful guy who's only interested in stable…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:55 AM
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To me, the point of marriage is to raise healthy children while working to build a nice life together. If I can't do that, then I'm good. Marriage was never for me, the man. It was for the kids I thought I'd have. I won't need a caretaker, and I wouldn't expect a woman to take care of me these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 01:30 PM
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To say men are the only ones keeping society afloat is bullshit though. I agree. I didn't say that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:25 PM
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Do you think men help keep society afloat? Or do you think men only bring their flaws to the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:52 PM
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See, the fact that you're itching to vilify men and glorify women says it all. It's not normal behavior. It's the fruit of bitterness. Are most men flawed? Certainly — and you can make a long list of common flaws. But they help keep society afloat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:17 PM
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With all due respect, I don't care whether or not I get a virtual pat on the back from you or anyone else. Also, not being a POS is normal. It doesn't deserve a pat on the back.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:54 PM
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Enough with the threat narratives. Most men, as flawed as they are, help keep our society afloat; they're not violent criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:17 PM
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That chubby, uneducated single mom might really desire a tall, handsome, jacked, wealthy, charismatic dude, but such a dude probably doesn't want her for a stable long-term relationship, as he has much better options to choose from. Odd are that she will get with a dude who earns a bit more than her, though. And if she can jump to a higher status man later, she might go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:07 PM
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If we're talking stable LTRs, it's very rare. Does it happen? Of course. Is this the norm? Hell no. The only way it's even possible for it to be the norm is if most women are sharing men. But, yeah, nobody is entitled to shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:25 PM
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It's just the coward's method for seizing power: paint yourself as the ultimate victim and concoct threat narratives against people of a certain group (most of them innocent) that you wish to weaken. Nothing you give them will ever be enough. The demands and self-victimization will never cease. Nobody I surround myself with expects for me to shoulder that nonsense. I don't have to pay for anything I didn't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:12 PM
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I mean, I don't have to be a huge fan of something to do it together with a friend and so do my friends For sure. I get that. But life is short, and I don't develop very close friendships with women. I don't feel the desire to cling to things that don't benefit me anymore. I hate pretending. Either we click or we don't. Avoidance comes with the social label of being "that is masculine norm" so most don't even bother having a closer look at it. I became avoidant over the course of my 20s due to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 01:01 PM
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I'm odd. I'm not a big movie or show guy. I watch like one show per year (aside from rewatching episodes of Always Sunny). I'm just now going through Better Call Saul (still on season 1 and I started in February), and last year I finished watching Succession. I rarely go to a movie theater because 99% of movies that come out nowadays don't interest me. I went to see Dune 2 with my friend like a year ago, as we both loved the books, and I'm going to see Warfare with him later this month. The wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 10:52 AM
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Most men need to worry about taking care of the kids that ARE theirs. Uh, most men do. Y’all’s child abandonment rates are embarrassing. Again, most men aren't abandoning their children. Deadbeats are an embarrassment. Women who choose to reproduce with dudes who have countless baby mamas are an embarrassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 01:46 AM
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For a LTR? I'd stay single. Relationships are a lot of work, and shitty relationships aren't worth a damn thing to me. In the real world, though, a dude who can only get with single moms isn't getting with a gorgeous single mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:57 PM
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IME some women seem to prefer having as many safety nets as possible. Useful men might come in handy later. However, I don't think most women consciously view men that way. Other men's experiences, interests, and views are much more aligned with mine, so I prefer male friends. Growing up, I had a very close female friend; however, the older we got, the less we had in common. When we see each other, it's still hugs and all that, but there's not much to build a close friendship around at this poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:18 PM
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The women who lack charm are not going to "fix themselves," so waiting for it to happen is pointless. Vilar expressed similar criticisms more than 50 years ago. Schopenhauer expressed similar criticisms nearly 175 years ago. For most people, romantic love isn't real. What other people choose to do doesn't concern me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 10:48 AM
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No, I'm pretty sure they're not here. The older women I look up to are empathetic and respectful. Also, researching is one thing. Being a 50+ YO woman and behaving like most of the women here do toward young dudes who are struggling in life is not normal; these women aren't doing anything positive here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:59 PM
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The vast majority of happy, grounded women I know don't spend hours each day lobbing thinly veiled insults at unattractive 20-something YO dudes who are struggling to find their footing in life. So I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:41 PM
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You're not wrong, but I've read an avalanche of bullshit about men here as well. To be honest, if the average woman around me was like the average female poster here, I'd never bother talking to a woman IRL again. When you see takes you disagree with, why not just engage civilly or ignore them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:43 PM
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It's just a silly generalization IMO because traditionally conservative men aren't the ones known for being in favor of abandoning their children. They're also against out-of-wedlock births in general. But you sound very grounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:37 PM
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There's a lot of straw in that pile, but you and I would definitely disagree on quite a bit LOL. The free market will solve everything I mean, the steelman argument would attempt to make the point that capitalism is the best available option, not that it solves everything. The media is lying (unless it’s conservative media) All media pushes propaganda — except for the few (though I don't know of any) who only report the known facts without using loaded language or injecting their own takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:29 PM
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IME traditional conservative (i.e., religious and family-oriented) men in general agree with me — but I'm not a tradcon (more of a libertarian/classical liberal), and people in my camp are probably less likely to agree with my take on deadbeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:18 PM
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No, most of them are just people who disagree with a lot of what you believe. You seem very eager to dehumanize the opposite side of the aisle — and a lot of conservatives are guilty of doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:59 PM
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It's just a typical straw man. Even among men who entertain the sob stories of deadbeats, the vast majority don't believe that every man is telling the truth. She's stating the obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:16 PM
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Largely incapable of rational reasoning? That's pure hatred. I'm conservative and don't have an ounce of sympathy for any deadbeats. If you're of a sound mind and choose to engage in an activity that involves a very obvious risk, accept responsibility for the outcome. I don't care what options women have compared to you. I don't care how crazy the woman is; why didn't you vet her? You knew what the risks were going in. Learn how to control yourself and make better decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:12 PM
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Earned wages and household income will decline for most divorced women (as men are much more likely to be primary breadwinners and sole providers), which is what those studies tend to focus on. I know an older dude, a family friend, who was a doctor. Like 10+ years ago, he came home early one day and caught his wife cheating. Despite her infidelity, she ended up getting his ranch during the divorce. Surely, her household income declined significantly after divorce. However, she moved on to anoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 03:43 PM
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Who IS the one that initiates divorce? The person who has given it their all, who has tried and tried and gotten nowhere. The person who is tired of being taken for granted and has finally accepted that the other person just doesn’t care enough to try. Sometimes, it's just the person who has less to lose financially — which, more often than not, is the woman. I have two male friends who want to divorce (and know that it's inevitable) but fear going through the process. They can't wait to get rid…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:59 PM
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This has absolutely nothing to do with anyone "rolling in dough." As I said, men are significantly more likely to be the primary breadwinner or sole provider. If a dude isn't "rolling in dough," chances are good that his wife would be in an even worse financial situation than him if they split. Her pushing the eject button at that point would be really bold/foolish, especially considering how society will view her actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:43 AM
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Have what stuff? Most people around me have assets and life insurance. Also, whatever you're referring to doesn't even have to apply to most people. The observed difference between the sexes wasn't that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:46 PM
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No, we don't know that. A lot of people, men and women, are just users.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:45 PM
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I think it's likelier that the woman is staying for the inheritance and insurance payout, if anything. Men are much more likely to be sole providers or primary breadwinners. IME neither men nor women are more likely to be genuinely good human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:41 PM
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Old-school American male, sure. And what a throwback — I love to see it. The average modern American dude would have to ask his overweight "partner" (Howdy, partner!) for permission first, as he has a responsibility to help fund and raise other men's kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:38 AM
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If I may ask, how do you know? People witnessed my grandmother riding a motorcycle with a German dude who had similar facial features to my aunt. Also, I can see it being true, because my aunt doesn't look like anybody else on my mom's side of the family (aside from my grandmother). So he was cheating in old age still? Who was he cheating with? Old women like him? I didn't ask. He told me that he fell in love with a younger Gypsy woman when he was in his 60s and had an affair with her that laste…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:16 PM
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Just off the top of my head, there are a couple of things that could have an impact on the differences: First, women tend to be more sociotropic, making them more sensitive to criticism and how they're perceived by people in their social circle (and beyond). If I had to guess, it's probably partly due to the fact that women, on average, evolved to be significantly physically weaker and less physically imposing/intimidating than men, so they tend to be more concerned about maintaining a virtuous …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 06:33 PM
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No worries. I can laugh about it now. In retrospect, the whole thing was ridiculous. But that messed me up for a couple of years. Well, it messed me up permanently in some ways, of course, but I was in limbo for a couple of years. In a lot of ways, I'm better than ever now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:46 PM
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I agree with most of what you wrote, but I mentioned high-quality men (in all ways). High-quality men aren't doing that shit. A long-term relationship with an average man is nearly worthless, and women know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:45 PM
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She treated me better than anyone I've ever met — like a king, with daily massages. This went on for more than half a decade. She constantly told me how much she loved me and was ridiculously affectionate, which is probably why affection really rubs me the wrong way now. She really liked me and respected me. She just didn't find me physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:57 PM
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It's pretty clear that women really value sex from the short-term guy. He doesn't have to do much to get it. What I'm saying is the short-term dude can get everything the long-term dude gets and more. The long-term woman who lands a high-quality man can get everything the short-term woman gets and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:54 PM
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I don't see many happy relationships around me. If I did, I'd probably have a different view. "They seem happy, but she's actually settling and using him for his money, we can't see that, but I know the truth" I lived this, though. I found out my last ex didn't find me attractive, but she loved me and everybody (including myself) thought we were perfect. So the shit random Redditors say isn't going to convince me of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:25 PM
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Them existing doesn't bother me; I'm living my own life. However, I'm not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:09 PM
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I wish women would raise their standards and stick to them, actually. Anyway, the short-term dude receives genuine affection. The long-term dude pays for a fake romantic relationship with a person who will eventually grow to resent him. she has to take care of the house 24/7, take care of the kids, feed them etc etc and still go 50/50 Nowadays, there's a good chance the long-term dude is going to help raise another man's kids, as there are a lot of single moms in the dating pool. Any kids he has…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:07 PM
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I don't really see the pros of being a beta in the long run, especially in this culture, but that's just me. It comes down to what the individual wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:03 PM
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I live in a rural area in the Deep South, so it's possible but very unlikely. I saw a crossdresser staring at me in a movie theater bathroom in the early aughts, but that's about it. And when I lived in Europe (both times), I lived in a very Christian area.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:02 PM
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Except the Madonna gets everything the man has to offer. The beta is used for his money and emotional support and has to jump through endless hoops to receive affection. IMO the short-term dude and the long-term woman have it the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:45 PM
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What you see IRL, with a person's mannerisms and voice (and without excellent lighting and filters), is a lot different than what you see in cherry-picked photos, and women admit this all the time when it comes to men. For me—and probably a lot of other dudes—it's like an uncanny valley situation at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 11:02 AM
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No. I'm not physically attracted to people who were born men. I wouldn't be open to it. Excluding the point of maybe wanting to have kids in the future That's the thing: If I can't do that with a person down the line, then I'm not interested in dating. I'd rather be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 10:18 PM
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Kids have to live with all of the shit that their parents pile on them. If a person wants to give their son a feminine name in an effort to progress humanity towards "gender equality," I can only imagine what other baggage they'd saddle him with. To Americans, I have an odd name (that most can't even pronounce properly), so I know what it's like to get bullied for your name early in life, but I don't understand why anyone would be eager to make their son's life worse for no good reason. As a par…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:21 PM
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Gender equality? Most women desire men who are better than them across the board: taller, stronger, smarter, more experienced, wealthier, etc. Naming your son Karen or Susan isn't going to change human nature; it will probably just make his life more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:39 PM
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That's part of it for many. I know people like that for sure. However, I think there are also people who fall for the sunk-cost fallacy, such as my grandmother. My grandfather told me that they had my dad because my grandmother wanted to save their marriage. To some degree, I guess it worked, because by the time my grandmother passed away, she was married to my grandfather for 60+ years. My grandfather also told me that he felt like my grandmother was holding him back due to her miserable attitu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 07:43 PM
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I don't think women only go for assholes at all, but I do think that women are more attracted to genuine assholes than they are to 80% of men (i.e., average-looking men and below). Some women are just wiser than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:28 PM
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Highly unlikely. I don't think she cheated on any of the dudes who treated her like garbage. The only guy she cheated on (that I'm aware of) was her husband. Ironically, he was a good guy and did everything in his power to take care of her & her kids. This part reminds me of my grandfathers. The one on my father's side cheated on my grandmother until he was in his 70s. Dude looked me in the eyes and told me he never loved my grandmother while she was in the other room with my ex fiancee. Despite…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:31 AM
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Marriage itself does not protect a person from a scumbag. Aside from you, who said that? It's not the marriage itself. Through his actions, a guy who's willing to go through the rigmarole of courting and marriage is demonstrating some level of humility, patience, responsibility, sacrifice, and a genuine desire for something serious with a specific woman. If all a woman can get from a dude are empty promises and his you-know-what, good luck to her. Sure, both dudes can turn out to be "scumbags," …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:14 PM
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Some men marry ugly women. That doesn't mean the vast majority of men don't prefer beautiful women. The vast majority of women don't have a chance in hell of bagging a decent-looking rich man for stable LTRs. Those men are rare and coveted. A lot of women settle, and a small percentage of women have other priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:43 PM
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When you find that oasis in the desert, there's a very good chance that all it has to offer is mucky swamp water anyway. As a man, you're doing all that trekking for the same toxic shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:06 PM
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She's very physically attractive IMO. However, the only times my friends or I mention her is when mocking some of the dumb shit she says or does. She seems to have histrionic tendencies and always pulls attention to herself, so she's always in the limelight.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 06:43 PM
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Ha. I was born in Europe, but I moved to the US when I was 5 or 6. I grew up in a southern farming town of roughly 3,000 people, so I can relate. Everybody knew everybody. I was screwed too. I think there were like 50-60 people in my graduating class. Half of us jetted as soon as we got our diplomas, but the nearby cities aren't that big. My handsome friend outcompeted me for the one decent woman who was into me. She and I were close for a long time. I love both of them, so no hard feelings, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:12 PM
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You're not wrong. However, after a certain point, the vast majority of single women are either single moms, women who don't take care of themselves, "reformed" thug chasers looking to try something new, promiscuous women who can't sustain stable relationships, brainwashed feminists, or women who think they deserve the princess treatment from hot and wealthy men yet can't get it. Many are a combination of several. For a lot of dudes, none of those women elicit any desire to provide or protect. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:41 PM
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I'm not sacrificing my sanity or freedom for what's on offer at this point. If I were to find someone who shares my values (someone who values her health and body, for starters), sure. But the vast majority of women in my league are far from that. I thought I found that person last time and sacrificed quite a lot for her (as she did for me), but she ended up banging another dude. The worst part is that she was the sweetest and most respectful woman I've ever met aside from that incident. Now, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:01 PM
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Why would you expect most men to sacrifice for most women? Are most women worth sacrificing for? Also, I don't have any interest in SAHMs. We have modern technology. It doesn't take that long for me to clean my place or wash my clothes, and I enjoy cooking my own food from scratch. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:37 PM
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I'll always strive to be physically and mentally strong, because that's necessary for me to thrive, and I think it's pathetic for a man to strive to be anything other than that. However, I'm not interested in being responsible for an ungrateful 304 who can upend my life at any time. I'm not emotionally attracted to today's average train wreck, who's less virtuous and more demanding than ever. The average woman doesn't deserve that type of sacrifice from a man IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:24 PM
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Thanks. I'll be digging into Lewis' apologetics soon. I'm leaning towards Orthodoxy, and I've been toying with the idea for 2-3 years; I think I'm ready now. There's a small Orthodox church nearby, and I want to join the community. Recently, I read Seraphim Rose's short book on Nihilism, and it resonated with me quite a bit. I was raised a Catholic, but I don't see myself going back to Catholicism for many reasons. I stopped attending church after my confirmation, which will be 18 years ago next…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 05:44 PM
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Due to the fallen and corrupt nature of humanity, none of us can love perfectly. See, it seems like some Christians are the only people around me who realize this while striving to be better. The older I get, the more I'm drawn to Christianity, especially now that I truly understand faith and its virtues.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 12:41 PM
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I've always been loyal because I value loyalty. I can't live with myself otherwise. I'd rather be single than hurt someone I care about. But, yeah, other than that, I agree with most of what you wrote here. In the long run, I don't expect loyalty from a woman. She'll be with another dude sooner or later. The best I can hope for is respect and loyalty in the short run, which I've enjoyed in the past. I'll never settle for less than that. I'm at peace with it, and I'll do whatever is necessary to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 12:20 PM
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And women want to bang the hunkiest, richest, most devilish MFer around. They "love" good genes and resources, and they'll pretend to "love" you as long as they can benefit from it. How is any of this surprising? Men evolved to be drawn to women who can birth healthy offspring, and women evolved to be drawn to men who can manipulate their environment to their benefit (and provide good genes for their offspring). For the most part, love is bullshit, and romantic relationships are all conditional …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:07 AM
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Sure. But by Blue Pillers (and specifically blooper dudes, who are eager to say that to men)? I've never seen that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:50 PM
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I think they just assume that women are more beautiful than men, as they find a very small percentage of men to be physically attractive (failing to account for the fact that men and women evolved to have different advantages). However, that would be like calling a 5'10" dude "tall" because he's half a foot taller than the average woman. In reality, he's average. When it comes to monogamous pairings, it's about how women compare to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:49 PM
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Exactly. Are loser women eager to get into long-term relationships with loser men? Can they accept that they're losers? Are bloopers going to encourage those women to lower their standards for stable LTRs as well? I doubt it. Why the hell should anyone be with someone they're not attracted to? Just control what you can control. If it happens, it happens. Not everyone is capable of being a good, attractive partner, and not everyone is meant to have a stable, rewarding romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:04 PM
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Most unattractive dudes struggle to find partners. Money can help, sure, but most men can't be high earners. Ugly men with pretty GFs are outliers. I know ugly and average women with handsome husbands as well. Those are also outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:59 AM
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Yet somehow both the ugliest dudes you know and the most handsome guys are all dating "pretty" women—even though there are more young men than young women. It doesn't make any sense. Are the disabled and fat guys all dating pretty women too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:47 AM
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So there's just a virtually unlimited amount of pretty women? Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:42 AM
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the ugliest men i know all have pretty girlfriends Who are the handsome dudes dating and sleeping with then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:40 AM
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So they're just craving dominant men? Feminism was a revolt against the previous monogamous setup, which wasn't appealing to most women either. Women don't want to be underneath most men. they need to concoct the most extreme possible fantasy to make them strong in order to make them attractive again. Dominance and wealth seem to be constants in female fantasies. I don't think women evolved to be attracted to the average man of any time period; they likely evolved to be attracted to healthy, vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 05:36 PM
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There's no reason to be depressed about it, and it's definitely possible to be "not boring" and "not a literal psychopath." I don't think dudes benefit from dating women who want dark triad men anyway. Who cares if most women are like that to a certain degree? Good women can control that impulse. IMO the best would be to become a fun, fit, confident, kind, tough, wise, courageous, charismatic, successful man (which is even more rare) and never give a shit about what most women find attractive, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 11:19 AM
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Well, they do, but most women cannot have stable LTRs with physically attractive men, so they have to take other things into consideration when choosing a long-term partner. (Plus, they can always cheat with those guys if they really want.) I'm talking about average men (i.e., men who will never be in the top whatever percent of physical attractiveness due to immutable characteristics). I think looks and status are pretty much all that matter for male attractiveness. After that, confidence and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:45 PM
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Sure (though married dudes tend to earn more, especially over the long run), and some people get together out of convenience. But that's not what drives a lot dudes to shack up with women IME, as men tend to have different priorities (not necessarily more noble ones). I don't have any interest in it, so that probably makes me a bit biased. I'd rather enjoy a comfortable life on my own than live with a woman for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:44 PM
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On average, married women and single women earn almost the same across all age ranges. Women care about their potential partner's earnings more than men do. The average man is viewed as unattractive by most women. Most women can't get stable LTRs with attractive men, so they eventually settle for compatible dudes who can at least double their income.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:26 PM
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Single women earn a bit more than married women, but married men earn way more than single men. You said women have already settled, but it's clear that a person's earning potential appeals a lot more to women than men for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:13 PM
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Well, everything is a bit transactional, but not all women are like that. However, I think only a small percentage are actually worth dating. That's why it's important to socialize as much as possible and meet high-quality women in your 20s IMO. There's nothing to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:44 PM
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Young women are less likely to be single, though, and the average married man earns significantly more than the average married woman (and the average single man). Aside from a warm personality, the average woman's appeal is her beauty. The average man's appeal is his status (paired with high social skills and confidence). Only one of these tends to improve over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:19 PM
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For sure. I definitely can't love a woman like I loved in my 20s. I can never build anything from scratch with them, and I definitely can't trust them wholeheartedly. On top of that, a lot of them have kids and/or are still in touch with exes (and we all know young women tend to have excellent tastes in men). For me, serious relationships just get more and more unappealing over time. The same standards don't apply because a lot of women (not all) love money and status more than anything, and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:06 PM
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Yet 30-49 YO men are significantly less likely to be single than younger men. There are many reasons for that. Hot, fit, super-successful people are rare. Most people are average. The average woman doesn't earn much money; she has average intelligence, average drive, average looks, etc. Shacking up with a dude who earns at least as much as she does enables her to more than double her income (and eventually secure a decent retirement while boosting her social status). We should stop pretending th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:02 PM
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I'm 33. I have instant access to any information I want. I can watch endless online tutorials, and I can order pretty much any book and have it delivered within the next few days. My great grandparents weren't going on fancy vacations or riding in boats all day on a blue collar salary. That's Western boomer shit. The ride was nice while it lasted, but that type of lifestyle has never been normal for any other average man throughout human history. Accept it and move on. Life is short for everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:46 PM
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you guys are in for a rough ride. How are we in for a rough ride? My great grandfathers were practically malnourished. They worked in mines and fought in trenches; I think my life is pretty awesome in comparison. In the US, it's easier than ever to learn anything that interests you, eat clean food, and do whatever the hell you want to do — especially on your own. "Romantic love" and the idea of women as "partners"? It was all bullshit from the beginning. It's just way easier to notice now that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:31 PM
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Obviously??? Why else would women take the risk to have sex if it wasn’t really fucking awesome? Pretty sure the three major religions figured out how to make men demonstrate their commitment first. We got rid of all that, so we're back to a low-trust market. That was the trade off. What things do women ask of you? For the most part, doing something at work or helping with some heavy lifting at home. In college, it was the same thing with homework and tutoring. (And my exes did the same.) I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 02:04 PM
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Bullshit. There is no bigger risk than a woman who takes off her clothes with a man. The risks range from violence to lifelong commitment to raising a child from birth to death, and women do it all the time. If it's really that risky, why are they doing it? They're that thirsty? LOL. I doubt it. Honey, women don’t even notice the difference between men and women unless a man is someone they are actively attracted to. “Men” are merely humans. Neuters. Just another random person deserving of respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 01:46 PM
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IMO men are just more willing to say things that will elicit social backlash. They're also bigger risk-takers on average. Women will say all of that shit behind your back (or think those things), but they fear social shame more than anything IME. A decent chunk of men DGAF about social shame, so they're willing to tell you exactly how they feel. Also, many women use men for favors. They use men for money. I don't think women are any kinder towards the opposite sex; they just have more uses for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 01:29 PM
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Because men despise unattractive women, older women, and unavailable women. Most normal dudes just don't think those women are worth the sacrifice or risk. That doesn't mean they despise them. That's like saying women despise short, broke, or socially inept men. In reality, women just don't care about those dudes unless they bring something worthwhile to the table. It's all transactional, and humans act on incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 01:14 PM
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That's not what it said. It said that most of women's messages went to below average men. Also, the average dude sent 13-15 messages, whereas the average woman sent 3-4. However, the vast majority of men were rated below average. Consider what that means: A man in the 75th percentile was considered below average in attractiveness (rated by women overall) despite the fact that he was above average (for a man) when it came to success on the apps. And women sent significantly fewer messages. The av…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:39 AM
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If all men did that, most of them would be "strengthening themselves" for the opportunity to shack up with an overweight woman who is raising another man's kids and/or has a load of debt (and emotional baggage). Honestly, most men will probably end up doing that regardless. Should men build themselves up anyway? Hell yeah. However, it goes both ways. There aren't enough winners for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 12:32 PM
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Especially if you're a young woman who wants kids one day. Yep. I wish more women would actually follow through on this, though. The world would probably be a much better place if women were actually picky and most just accepted that they can't land the right dude. Not everyone is meant to have kids IMO. Women online hoot and holler about how they'd rather stay single; unfortunately, real life says the opposite. The vast majority of them gotta have what other women have. Dare I say it- I miss be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 12:24 PM
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Sure, very few things in life are guaranteed, and the average man can hardly practice self-control. (Just look at his waist size.) However, the outcome shouldn't really be surprising. It's like an old, average-looking dude with money being surprised that his 25 YO wife with an abundance mentality and endless options doesn't really give a shit about him. I don't have any sympathy for either, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:47 PM
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Sure, I can see that, and it goes both ways. I definitely have a biased perspective. I think ugly people either become very cold and hardened or act overly nice just to avoid putting up with the world's bullshit. I'm a fairly ugly dude, and I tend to use both approaches depending on the situation (and how I feel that day). IME the worst people are typically insecure average-looking people who think they're the shit, as they're desperate to prove that they're better than others. For the most part…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:09 PM
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No, it assumes that the dude with an abundance mentality and infinite options is likelier to do so, which is probably true. I'm not going to sit here and act like ugly dudes wouldn't do it at the same rate in the same position, but the truth is that ugly dudes have a scarcity mentality, which tends to make people more desperate and clingy. more logical for women to pursue men they at least find attractive Agreed. But don't settle for marriage then. Chase the hot dude until you get him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:01 PM
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Oh, there's a line of simps, but they can't give her anything close to what she considers "the world."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:44 PM
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Some women do act like that. And there is a line of simps ready to step up. Give her the world? Well, very few men on the planet can do that, and very few women are worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:40 PM
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I never asserted that. Magical trap? It's very easy to avoid, which is why I have little empathy for most people who complain about dudes not sticking around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:25 PM
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Yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:12 PM
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I think the point is that you shouldn't be surprised if you're an average woman and top dudes pump and dump you. You're competing with the creme de la creme for LTRs. IMO very physically attractive people, men and women, are better people on average because they're treated better by society, but that's just my controversial take.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:09 PM
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To me, it's only a genuine compliment if it comes from like 1% of women. If it comes from women who sleep around, hop in and out of relationships, or date morons, it's an insult, because those women clearly don't value "husband material."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:16 PM
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The ones I'm talking about never even went to college. I'm talking about a few dudes I know who are straight up deadbeat criminals yet have several baby mommas, some whom graduated from college. I don't think enough dudes understand how attractive genuine bravado is to a chunk of the female population, particularly young women and foolish older women. I think the demand for those types of dudes is outpacing the supply, which is one of the reasons why they're so successful with women compared to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:29 PM
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I don't think you're necessarily correct. I think one issue is that it feeds those men's scarcity mindset (which is already pretty bad considering that it's rare to find women who are even remotely attracted to them). They hear women complaining about these dudes nonstop, yet they see these lowlifes hopping from woman to woman (and knocking many of them up); as a result, they begin to believe that women who aren't into dudes like that are very rare, as they're having very little success with wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:39 AM
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I know several gorgeous women who had kids with short, broke, scrawny, tatted thugs, so I'm not really buying that last sentence. I think for some women, the bravado and dark triad traits are enough to elicit attraction. For most women, no, but those dudes definitely have an appeal that the average dude doesn't. Average dudes are just boring and even keel.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:27 AM
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It's not really something that any dude I know would be interested in unless they're taking their children. Even as a kid, I never liked Disney movies (aside from The Lion King), and I still haven't seen a Marvel movie after Iron Man. (That said, I probably would've loved to go as a child.) I'd certainly go somewhere else with my parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:12 PM
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Honestly, that's idiotic IMO. There's a very easy fix for that hunger, and a little self-control never hurt any of us. To me, B is the easy choice. Still, both dudes are cooked in their own way. B is cooked because he seems naive and childish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:04 PM
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B. No question. I'm 33 and likely won't date again, so it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. But going to Disney World (with mommy, nonetheless) as a childless 30+ YO dude? Inching toward middle age and obsessing over some woman you don't even know who lives in another state? LOL. Dafuq.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:55 PM
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Years ago, lived with a chick who posted on that sub. We met after chatting on this sub. Spoiler alert: She wasn't alone. She was getting hit on often, and she eventually cheated. I'm not saying all of them are like that, of course, but that was my experience with one. And that was the last time I took online dating of any kind seriously. I'd rather meet someone organically or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:53 PM
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IDK. Seems like the three biggest religions figured it out a long time ago — though they didn't necessarily understand why. Now a bunch of dudes who grew up in secular cultures are figuring it out again and acting like it's never been known. Hell, just one a quick skim through a history book will show you how messed up human nature is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 12:22 PM
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A very small percentage of the entire US population is homeless at any given time. We're talking about less than a quarter of 1 percent of the US population. And less than a third of the homeless population in the US is female. Anyway, average-looking women can get free meals if they want; they just need to use dating apps or post thirst traps on social media. Women can pretend to like men and enter relationships (and potentially be supported and genuinely loved by a man in a decent position) if…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 08:35 AM
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Being "traditional" in a world where your wife, who has most likely has slept around at some point (and may have even had kids with other men), can cheat on you and get rewarded by the courts (and cheered on by the people around her) is dumb AF. I'm certain that I can cook better than the vast majority of women (and actually enjoy doing it). There's nothing "traditional" about the current setup, so no. I'm not playing any role in a game of pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 11:17 AM
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IMO a lot of guys eventually lose the ability to love idealistically by their 30s or 40s. After you get cheated on or discarded by a woman you helped build up for years, you may snap out of it and start to view things more transactionally. Not every dude, though. Some men are suckers for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 01:17 PM
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Yep. And it's not just calories. The type of food you eat has a significant impact on your body composition. Here's one example: 15 baked tater tots provide you with 228 calories and 2.5 grams of protein. 3 large boiled eggs provide you with 234 calories and 18.9 grams of protein. Regardless of which of the two you choose, you'll consume 220-235 calories, but one food will support muscle mass a lot more than the other. (Also, consider that foods like eggs are a complete protein source — containi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:49 PM
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I'd say that's a bit disingenuous. A lot of those men are upset at women for viewing all men as bad people by default. That doesn't necessarily mean those men have misogynistic fantasies. How do you jump straight to that? Many of them are likely just immature, lost, and hurt, and the same goes for women who do that to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:11 PM
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Well, I don't think most men are the men that women complain about. Most men are not sociopathic, violent individuals. That said, I think it's wise for women (and men) to be cautious of random people to a reasonable extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:24 PM
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That's fair. I can sympathize, which is part of the reason why I don't take it personally, but I don't think that makes me a "good" guy. For example, I wouldn't put my life on the line for the average woman on the street; I would for my family. IMO good guys are selfless. I've met a few of those guys, and I'm not that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:20 PM
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I don't think it makes sense to harbor resentment toward individuals who haven't done anything to you yet, but I think it makes sense to harbor suspicion until someone proves to be trustworthy. I don't trust random people. Power tends to corrupt, and average women are in a position of power (relative to law-abiding average men) due to the women-are-wonderful effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:16 PM
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Different in what way? Every dude is different. I don't take it personally because I know it's based on their past experiences and observations — and there are plenty of biases involved. It's not based on what I've actually done. Most women will take my distrust of them personally. It's not personal, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:57 PM
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It's really that simple. A lot of our biggest problems come from overindulgence and a lack of self-control on an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:34 AM
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Of course not. I find them to be the only stomachable romantic relationships. I don't have the patience to deal with someone who will make my life worse. I think this is one of the biggest reasons why it's a good idea to steer clear of women with wild pasts. There's a good chance that they're eventually going to start craving that novelty and spontaneity again, and there's not a sane man on the planet who can give those types of women what they want in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:44 AM
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Only if you put yourself in that position. Just don't waste money on them or get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 03:40 AM
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Why should anyone care? Date whoever you want, and treat people well. Call me whatever-phobic. My life will go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:14 AM
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IMO women want powerful, influential men who can manipulate their environment to their benefit, and being socially awkward makes that very difficult for a man to achieve (unless he possesses other traits that enable him to do so — like looks, size and strength, talent, wealth, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:35 PM
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My point is that average women get plenty of messages, and women (regardless of their attractiveness) also gravitate toward the most attractive people of the opposite sex. I actually meant to respond to your other comment above — the one about average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:06 PM
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Kreager et. al (2014) found that less than 10% of women in the lowest quintile of desirability sent any messages to men at a similar desirability level. More than half sent messages to men in the highest quintiles. The study also found that men were 10 times more likely to receive zero messages, and that the average man received 4.5 times fewer messages than the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:20 PM
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Gaining some weight is normal. Becoming more than twice your size and continuing to balloon for several years afterward is not. Those women might be severely depressed or something, but I don't think our modern lifestyles and diets are conducive to good health. And this is really only something I've seen here in the South. I never saw this amount of permanent weight gain among my European relatives and family friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:10 AM
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I'm saying I'd prefer if they didn't settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:12 PM
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That's cool. Women should do whatever they want; it's not for me to demand them to do anything. I was answering the OP's question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:53 PM
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I'm not saying they should be required to do anything. I'm describing what I would prefer in an ideal world. Also, I'm really talking about women who sleep around without protection and actually get impregnated by idiots or very attractive dudes who clearly don't want to commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:48 PM
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I've been engaged to a woman who settled, and I don't have any interest in experiencing that again. Trust me, I'm not arguing for anyone to settle; I'm arguing for the opposite. The top dude is still typically going to be a guy who has both a good bone structure and high-earning potential, along with a list of other things. There's only a small percentage of men who fit those criteria; among that small group of men, there will be plenty of variance, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:19 PM
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That is one form of "alpha," but that doesn't mean it's good IMO. I think that the handsome, selfless, intelligent, brave leader and father figure is also alpha, and I think that's a much healthier version. It's just a lot rarer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:57 PM
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No, you're misunderstanding me. I think picking good men (i.e., handsome, fun, kind, wealthy, intelligent, etc.) is ideal. I'm saying they should wait for those men. IMO what they do to inflate their egos is sleep around and use men they're not really attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:47 PM
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Most women don't qualify for commitment from a top dude. I don't think there's anything wrong with settling if you can accept that you settled for your equal; however, if you're going to treat your husband like shit after securing your marriage, it would've been better for you (and your kids and the dude) to stay single and wait for an attractive dude instead of settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:44 PM
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How is it reinforcing anything? OP presented two options. I prefer women having a heavy vetting process. If it's crucial, go for it all. That's what I'm saying. I'd rather only 5% of the best-looking and most selfless dudes in the world reproduce rather than morons knocking up 10 women and then having everyone else pay for the fallout.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:38 PM
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Less than one-fifth of women 30-49 are not in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:30 PM
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Yeah, staying single would require them to get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:27 PM
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Have a very heavy vetting process. Hell, go for the top 1%. A lot of women do need to choose better, and they need to look in the mirror. When I say that, I'm not encouraging women to choose an ugly dude like myself. But maybe they should find a hot, tall, fun, intelligent, selfless, well-off guy — and if they can't find a guy like that who's willing to commit to them, then maybe it would be better to get real. But that'll never happen. Too many of them can't accept reality. They'd rather just k…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:15 PM
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I live in a fat state as well (and in a rural area). It goes both ways: there aren't that many fit people of either sex. Several of my friends from high school married gorgeous women who can now barely fit into a truck. The dudes are now a bit chubbier too; however, they work blue-collar jobs and aren't nearly as sedentary, so they're not even close to being as big as their stay-at-home wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:48 PM
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It just comes down to self-control and daily habits. I've lived in both places (spent two-thirds of my adult life in the southern US and one-third in Europe) and never had a problem staying fit in either part of the world. All I eat is fresh meat, eggs, dairy, and a bit of seasonal fruit — no grains (except on special occasions) or sweets. I get 90% of my food from local farmers; however, even when I got most of my food from the cheapest grocery stores, I was able to keep my body fat low and my …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:19 PM
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I don't know if y'all have noticed, but feminists and women in general are much more prepared to stay single than men are. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:42 AM
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I don't expect love (unconditional or otherwise) from a woman who's not my mother. At best, I'm getting a very high level of respect, and it's going to be temporary and conditional. Even most attractive men experience lust, not unconditional love. That shit usually burns out too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:41 PM
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I'm sick of traveling, so B. I still want to do a lot of camping and outdoorsy stuff. However, I'd rather go to local forests and beaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 11:57 AM
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I agree with 4 years for men in their 20s (or for men who either already have kids or are uninterested in having kids). My parents waited like 4 years before getting married, but they met when they were 19 and 20. I waited 4 years as well, but lockdowns prevented my wedding from happening for a year, and then we broke off the engagement. I'm in my early 30s, and I'd wait a minimum of 2 years now; anything less is way too little time to get to know someone on that level IMO. I can't believe some …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 11:54 PM
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Let's continue to make excuses for people to treat their bodies like shit — and then let's scratch our heads as to why our society is unhealthier and unhappier. somehow less deserving of love because their bodies have changed I don't think I deserve love from other people. Truth is, some people (skinny, muscular, or fat) don't deserve love from other people, and some people will never be be loved by other people. If you're significantly overweight, love yourself and treat your body well. Learn t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:04 PM
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When an unattractive woman feels like she's unattractive, she can go on a dating app or open up her social media and get an ego boost. She can then set up some dates or hook up with some guys — if she wants. When an unattractive dude thinks he's unattractive, he has two options: either he works his ass off until he receives a shred of positive attention or he stares reality in the face until he accepts it. There's never an immediate ego boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:54 PM
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Dude, young women are rarely single. Let's not act like they've all "learned" how to stop seeking validation and/or gratification from the opposite sex. Also, the 2022 Pew survey found that half of single male respondents reported being uninterested in romantic relationships. If we take half of the 63% of young men (18-29) who are single, we're looking at almost a third of young men who aren't looking for dates or relationships whatsoever at any given time. According to that survey, only a third…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:35 PM
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They don't want them. Only dudes who are desperate to get laid would take those women seriously, obviously. I think the issue is that some single men realize that their pickings are very, very slim and many of them will be SOL when it comes to finding viable mating partners, because the type of women you're describing are overrepresented in the singles dating pool. Dudes with an abundance mentality (or those who DGAF about stable relationships) won't care. They get what they want regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:31 PM
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Guys often complain about fat women and single moms. Women often complain about how ugly and wimpy the average guy is. That's on top of everything else you listed there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:03 PM
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I wouldn't say it's "self-imposed" if the person (male or female) isn't attracted to someone who's at an unhealthy weight. How do you force yourself to be attracted to someone you're not attracted to? And let's say you find a way to ignore the fact that you're not physically attracted to the other person — if you lead an active lifestyle and eat a clean diet, how do you live with a person who hasn't cultivated healthy habits?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:53 PM
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I think that's part of his point. He seems to have accepted that part. Most ugly dudes know they're going to date ugly women unless they rake in top-tier dough and accept being walking wallets and retirement funds (which they might be for ugly women anyway). However, what he's saying wouldn't fix most problems in dating; it might make dating a bit better for some ugly dudes who are fit but aren't attracted to (or compatible with) fat women. That's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:07 PM
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In most cases, it's because they're just nice people. In rare cases, it's because they want to ask me about something or want me to do something for them. Now I'm either mean as fuck and lash out, or I act bored and monotone with them. With the former its rare, and only happens when I feel like a cat backed into a corner. That makes sense. It's funny because I do the opposite of what you do. I try to be as sweet as possible when interacting with women I don't know. I kinda have to behave that wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:21 AM
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I think it's more so that women are rarely nice to most men, especially unattractive dudes. So when a woman is nice to them, it's a huge surprise. I know that if a woman who's neither a family member nor a friend is really nice to me, it's either that she's really nice to everyone or she wants something from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 03:53 AM
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As I said, they tell us that we're privileged and responsible for the ills of the world. That doesn't sound like something you say to someone you're fond of.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:15 PM
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Anybody with quarter of a brain cell rolling around their skull knows why leftists are bringing this up now, and it has nothing to do with the fact that they really, really care about men either. Also, there are socialists and moderate leftists in the big, bad manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:01 PM
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Actually, we can't see that. What we can see is that their supporters think straight men are privileged and responsible for the ills of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:53 PM
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No. Politicians still need to get elected. They'd never win an election after that. Many of their supporters would surely love it, though. People who look like me are born privileged, after all. I'm not under the illusion that politicians and bureaucrats give a damn about me. They care about watching their stock portfolios skyrocket, buying ocean-front properties, and flying around the globe in private jets while lecturing the rest of us about wealth inequality and carbon emissions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:42 PM
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Yeah, I don't want help from anyone who doesn't want to offer it out of kindness. I know most people don't really give a shit about dudes like me anyway. It's all on me to sink or swim, and that's the way I like it. Anyway, most leftists would gladly get rid of all programs directed at helping men with my superficial characteristics if that meant that women could get more programs directed at helping them. That's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:24 PM
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Kreager et. al (2014) found that less than 10% of women in the lowest quintile of desirability sent any messages to men at a similar desirability level. More than half sent messages to men in the highest quintiles. I don't think what you're describing is a male-only issue. Unattractive people aren't attracted to unattractive people, but they're very attracted to very attractive people. However, I think unattractive men are much more likely to be locked out of the dating market entirely, as women…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 02:37 PM
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Women who are merely "a little husky" have no issues finding attractive men. Also, a person doesn't need to be on a scooter to be unhealthy. That's beyond unhealthy. At that point, a person is pretty much SOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 02:23 PM
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In my case — compatibility? I live a healthy lifestyle, and I want to be around someone who does the same, especially if we're going to live together. I want to be around someone who values their health above all else and takes care of their body. However, I want to build a family with someone like myself. If I can't have kids with a woman, I'd rather stay single. Also, I think there's a point at which it's no longer worth dating. Like if I know that I'm unattractive to the woman and she's unatt…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:12 PM
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If anything, physically attractive men are probably more outgoing, fun, and interesting on average; IME they tend to get treated a lot better by strangers and women, so they're more open to doing new stuff with new people (which means they develop more robust social skills and have a warmer vibe). The real issue is that hot men are few and far between, and they aren't that crazy about most women. There are only a certain amount of hot men, and most women aren't hot enough or charming enough to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:17 AM
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It's also easier to distract yourself from the truth. Even as recently as back in the 90s, if something was wrong with you or your behavior, you were forced to face that shit every day, so you had to either come to terms with your shortcomings or straighten up your act. Now you can just bury yourself in an extremely immersive and engaging but false reality — through social media, dating apps, video games, endless on-demand entertainment (binge-watching), pron, etc. — and it could be years before…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:09 PM
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Living paycheck to paycheck means you're not saving much for the future because you don't have much money left over to save. Does being overweight mean someone isn't taking care of themselves? Adults? 100%. Consuming more food than you need (or consuming junk food) and failing to get enough exercise increases your risk for developing chronic diseases in the future. They're neither taking care of themselves nor planning for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:11 PM
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Who said that? You responded to the other person who rattled off a list that includes both of those things ("plans for the future" and "takes care of himself physically"), and you responded by calling it the "baseline for a regular human being." If an adult is overweight and lives paycheck to paycheck, they need to sort out some serious shit, because they have a lot of room to improve. By your own admission, they're below the baseline.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:47 PM
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In what world? The average American is fat and lives paycheck to paycheck. And that's not even considering everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:29 PM
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Confidence and aggression (paired with a certain level of looks) are attractive traits in men. They indicate a dude is willing to go out and get what they want and need. During interactions, disdain can come across as pure confidence, and many women fall for it. However, it's not hard to ooze confidence when you don't actually respect the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:45 PM
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I agree that casual sex isn't good for me and that people who have casual sex wouldn't be good partners for me. However, I know plenty of 304s (male and female) who are very kind people. I don't think kindness has anything to do with it. Having casual sex doesn't prevent you from being kind in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:56 PM
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The vast majority of women are not even close to being high-earners, and it's becoming harder and harder to live on one average salary. Therefore, that isn't really affecting relationships between men and women. IMO what's having a significant effect is the propaganda that both sides are being fed (now nonstop) paired with how easy it is to "replace" someone and experience that high of a new relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 09:54 PM
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Those women could only get serious commitment from average or unattractive dudes, so now they pretend that they're actually turned off by men who are objectively more attractive (all other things being equal). I think that's what the other person was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 09:15 PM
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I've been working out since my late teens, and I'm stronger now in my early 30s than I was at the same weight at 20. But, yeah, if you eat an average diet and live an average lifestyle, your body will begin to fall apart earlier, because our culture promotes unhealthy habits. That said, most men do not peak in their 20s, because the vast majority of men are physically unattractive to begin with. They tend to become wealthier, more confident, and more masculine with age, and those are the traits …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:21 PM
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I haven't had a crush since my early 20s, which is almost 10 years ago. I don't miss it, though, because I realize it's meaningless. At this point, nobody is really worth crushing on in my eyes. Meeting cool people gives me a similar rush, and cool hangs are a easier to find, though still rare IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:05 AM
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Of course women want the richest, tallest, and strongest men. Look at the shit they read. Most just wouldn't say it in public. Honestly, I wouldn't care unless they're cheating. No, that's weird IMO. I wouldn't care. If you get fat as an adult, that's on you and you need to get your shit together ASAP. That sounds ideal. It means she's loyal (because she could easily sleep with them). I know I'm far from a male model and that most women are only genuinely attracted to the hottest dudes. Face-wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:49 PM
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Given up how? Like you've given up on romantic relationships? IMO worrying about whether or not you're a beta is a waste of time and mental energy. Either you become a man who commands respect in his environment or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:38 PM
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True. But I'm speaking for myself. The other person is speaking for every person who has "failed" in his eyes, stating that they "have to live in a constant state of grief." As long as I'm healthy and free to do what I love, I'm living a good life in my view. I can either play the cards I was dealt to the best of my ability or ruminate. One option is significantly more appealing to me than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:43 PM
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Rumination is a personal choice. Eventually, you have to try to move past it or continue to live in your own hell. It's not like "failing to fulfill your biological purpose" prevents you from making friends or living a good life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:35 PM
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I don't care about cooking, because I really enjoy cooking and don't eat a typical diet. So other than that, probably the following: Develop a warm personality Practice humility Prioritize health Kick the social media addiction Have interests outside of gossiping, makeup, and shopping
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:02 PM
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While it's true that at this rate humanity will disappear, it will take centuries or even thousands of years for humans to go exctint. A few thousand years is nothing in the grand scheme of things, and my consciousness will be gone long before that. Why should it concern me? Society is mostly builded around the idea of people having kids, and it doesn't matter how undesirable you're still expected to have kids at some point. As long as you're cool to hang out with, most people don't really care …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:27 PM
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They have to live in a constant state of grief? That's a personal choice. Humanity will cease to exist one day. Why should I care about my genetic line or biological purpose? Why agonize over something so meaningless? I know plenty of miserable, unhealthy, shackled dudes who've fulfilled their biological purpose. Am I disappointed that I never experienced mutual attraction and raised my own child? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:43 PM
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Progressives in the media and politics rage about income inequality while flying around in private jets from one multi-million dollar mansion to another, so it's all fake to a certain extent. I'm just saying that the message (genuine or not) that mainstream conservative talking heads sell to their audience isn't one that condones male promiscuity. If the dude you responded to said that shit among average conservatives, he'd likely be challenged on his beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 12:27 AM
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That person's opinion doesn't have much to do with "conservatism." They didn't even tie it together TBH. Look at all of the biggest mainstream conservative talking heads (outside of the TRP griftsphere, which we're often told represents a very small group of people), from Ben Shapiro to Tucker Carlson. None of them promote promiscuity for men; they promote marriage and family. The Bible doesn't condone promiscuity for men. The Quran doesn't condone promiscuity for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 12:02 AM
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Those are the only women ending up with those guys. Also, if you don't at least consider a person's past before committing to them, then you're a fool (especially if you're religious). That's nobody's issue but your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:57 PM
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I didn't specify why they prefer those dudes, and it doesn't matter. If they choose the 304, they're "pump-faking." If they were serious about their religion, they'd find a chaste man who's "physically and interpersonally sexy" or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:46 PM
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The women who line up to date those dudes are "pump-faking" as well, so I don't think it's an "issue." If those women were serious about their religion, they'd just find a guy like themselves, but they prefer dudes who've been around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:38 PM
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You're beginning to realize that different men have different opinions. Even if a majority of men think one way, there could be a loud minority who disagrees. I don't find education, career, and money attractive; those things are neutral (kinda like sweetness in men), and they can become a huge negative if the woman is obsessed with money and status. However, in the current system, I think it's foolish for accomplished men to marry women with low work ethic and drive. The men who look for nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:14 PM
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IMO being bitter is foolish, period. I can recognize that when a person hurts me, it often has very little to do with me. Also, I don't expect kindness from the vast majority of people, and I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone who has ever hurt me. However, those types of women are often unattractive to certain men for a long list of reasons beyond the dude being bitter. Just because a man with a successful career doesn't want to tie himself to a "baby mama" who was "out f'n with the drug …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:19 PM
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“women who are bad decision makers should feel righteous in continuing to make bad decisions” This is going to happen regardless. It's not that she's faithless; it's that he's not exciting enough (as if she didn't know that before agreeing to marry him). It's always his fault. She can do no wrong in her own eyes. Hell, she may get rewarded for being a scumbag, because that's how our society is set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:00 PM
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Exactly. Compete for the best and most exciting dudes. Be honest with men and yourself. The problem is that most of them want their servant/retirement fund, and they want validation. They're willing to lie to the man and to themselves to get it, as the best dudes don't want most of them for serious relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:46 AM
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No doubt there. There's a lot of hypocrisy and virtue signaling going on. IME women prefer a lot more muscle than they often like to admit in public. I would never bother getting fit for a woman. Their idea of a "fit" man is typically a roided athlete, and maintaining that amount of muscle mass isn't healthy in the long term (and isn't realistic for most men). I stay active and eat a clean diet because I want to enjoy my life for a long time. I don't want to be with a woman who doesn't value her…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 08:06 PM
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I get the frustration. Many women nowadays do seem to downplay the amount of effort it takes (especially odd considering that many of them put in little to no effort themselves). And the other guys you mentioned do work hard. However, there's no need to spend hours in the gym every week to achieve that level of fitness. I maintained a six pack with v-taper in my 30s by working out for less than 60 minutes (four 15-minute or less workouts) per week at my home gym (i.e., just a power tower and a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:53 PM
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The popularity of the premise is the most important thing to note IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:12 PM
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So? Both of those franchises were just giving the market what it wanted. If women didn't gobble up those books and movies, none of them would've been such massive hits. Also, how the did 50 Shades mess up dating when the vast majority of men aren't trying to be like Christian Grey? Again, what you refer to as "a very poorly researched idea of BDSM relationships" seems to be what appeals to the most women. What actually changed dating was technology, not some shitty author who gave women what the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:16 PM
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Huh? It's not like the average dude is some Andrew Tate clone now. Yet the average dude gets an occasional GF (who's not exactly crazy about him) every once in a while. 365 Days broke Netflix records in 2020, and that's much trashier than Twilight IMO. Clearly, a good chunk of women (if not the vast majority) fantasize about taming the hulking, ruthless, wealthy "bad boy" who thinks one woman is super duper special. For whatever reason, what really, really seems to appeal to the female market is…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:59 PM
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No. I wouldn't want to be with most women, because most women would use me. There are very few women I would want to be with, and I'd say the same about men if I were a woman. I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of what you said. Again, if he's small, I don't know what the average dude is. And if he's gross, I don't know how gross the average dude is. Andrew Tate has a wiry frame with a lot of muscle and a low body fat percentage. I have a wiry frame with a lot of muscle and a low body fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:38 PM
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Andrew Tate probably has more baby mamas right now than the average guy will ever have GFs. He's also 6'3" with the build of an athlete, so if he's "small looking," I don't know what the vast majority of dudes are. Is he someone to admire? Not in my opinion, but I know that average men, including myself, are infinitely "grosser" in the eyes of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:23 PM
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Even in my generation I’ve seen a shift to more asocial behavior even with those who were highly social in their younger years. Very true. I've even seen this in Gen Xers and Boomers. I've seen it in myself, a Millennial born in the early 90s. I used to be extremely social when I was younger, and now I can't wait to save enough money and bounce to the boonies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:34 PM
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I’d really have to desire someone in order for me to have someone “intrude” in my daily life—is the guy worth me sacrificing... You nailed it here. A lot of guys feel the same way. Just the thought of all the responsibility that comes with being in a relationship makes me not want to be in a relationship again. And a relationship seems completely pointless if the woman doesn't take care of herself or I have to deal with another man and his kids, both of which apply to the vast majority of single…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:38 AM
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No. I'm not really interested in casual relationships, but I prefer seeing women for what they are. I prefer it all being out in the open, with women being as loud as possible about how they really feel. It's a bit easier to spot the duds. I wouldn't be able to go back anyway. I can't view relationships that way anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:34 PM
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It's not that men don't like older women; it's that in many cases (not all), older women don't have anything to offer men in marriage or serious LTRs. The same can be said for women and how they view broke dudes. Also, older men are less likely to be desperate and naive (and more likely to have a money and masculine traits), so their standards tend to be higher. That said, 30 is still young. IMO the average woman will always be able to find a line of suckers. But the more time that passes, the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 01:23 PM
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Part of the reason I come here is for the absurdity. There's a complete lack of self-awareness. "Looks ain't everything." Then they proceed to post pics of Hollywood lead men (average in their eyes) and roided studs. Hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:44 PM
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In your last comment, you said you don't agree with my concept of shallow. Could you explain why? Half of your first comment is you accusing me of responding to you and pointing out the OP when this is clearly the off-topic section and I wasn't responding to your OP. The other person is fine with saying that men are more shallow. I'm trying to figure out why.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:36 PM
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Ok, what do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:07 PM
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I wasn't responding to your OP, though. With all due respect, this the off-topic section, no? I was responding to the person above me. I actually agree with most of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:47 PM
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So does that mean you think most of them are shallow? I think most women are shallow due to their obsession with status (mostly $$$). They'll often settle for the guy with the best job title or the most potential to rake in dough, even if they don't love the guy. I think most men are shallow due to their obsession with sexual gratification. They'll often settle for the most attractive woman who puts out, even if they don't love the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:42 PM
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I'm not arguing that, though. And you said that it was partly about wanting to be seen with them, which I don't think is the case. I agree about sexual compatibility. I think it's part of what makes people a good match. Do you think that most men are shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 02:19 PM
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I don't think it's reserved for those situations. Let's say I'm with a woman mostly because I think she's physically attractive — am I not being shallow? Let's say she's not a trophy wife — only mildly attractive — but that's the best I can do, as my options are limited. IME that's pretty common. I also think it's common for women to marry meh guys who have a stable job. IMO a good chunk of men (nowadays) don't evoke a lot of sexual attraction, and a good chunk of women (nowadays) don't evoke a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:53 PM
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Most women are shallow, though. Most men are too. We don't need to pretend. And for some men, especially some of those who end up posting here, success in dating is off the table. At best, they're going to end up essentially paying for a wife. Hating other people (many of whom never did anything to you) is absolutely pointless, so I'm not even going to bother trying to defend that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:32 PM
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I think it depends on the man. I want to bag a natural, sweet woman who I find attractive (and who shares my values). I don't give a shit if other men find her attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:20 PM
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I wouldn't be with someone who had work done (unless it was absolutely necessary — not botox, fillers, or implants), but I'm just one guy. Plenty of dudes don't care, and some dudes prefer plastic-looking women. To me, the only makeup that makes a woman look better is eyeliner. Foundation, in particular, tends to make women look way older IMO. A lot of women in in their late 20s or early 30s look 40+ when they wear it. My last ex looked infinitely better without makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:11 PM
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It's not a need. People who can't have children exist, and many of them still live long, fulfilling lives. I don't want to reproduce because (a) I'm not particularly physically attractive (i.e., I have a face only a mother could love) and (b) the women I could reproduce with are neither healthy nor good mothers. I'd rather stay fit and healthy, and pursue my interests. There's so much to learn and create. Also, I've developed aromantic tendencies since my last breakup (several years ago), so I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:19 AM
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It’s not supposed to be a sacrifice to make your partner happy. That's ridiculous. Both sides have to sacrifice. Life isn't a fairy tale. It just comes down to how much each individual is willing to sacrifice. IMO a man should look for a woman who's willing to sacrifice as much as he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:41 PM
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Pretty much everyone makes generalizations — and I'm leaving room for exceptions. I'm also willing to admit that I'm biased, like everyone else. I'm not a source of absolute truth; nobody is. However, I'm definitely speaking for myself. What generalizations do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:37 PM
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She can get it from someone else. Men should work towards getting what they want as well instead of making unnecessary sacrifices for ungrateful, entitled women. In my example, the man isn't getting he wants. However, he plows ahead anyway because that's what society trained him to do: sacrifice. What those women want is status (mostly $$$), not the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:21 PM
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IMO being kind doesn't make you a sucker. I really enjoy being kind to people I think deserve it. What makes you a sucker is entering into an asset agreement with a woman who throws a hissy fit because you didn't get her the shiny rock she wanted. If she doesn't appreciate your kindness before marriage, I don't know why you'd expect it to get any better after marriage — unless you're a sucker.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:18 PM
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Why, because of what one guy said? There are hordes of naive lonely men eager to wife those women up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:01 PM
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I'm speaking for myself. The commenter above is the one projecting my thoughts onto all men. And there are women who are willing to appreciate a man's sacrifices and make sacrifices in return. It's just not the average woman (and especially not the women who complain about the rocks in their engagement rings).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:00 PM
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Exactly. Had my ex thrown a hissy fit after the proposal, I would've just called everything off. However, most Western men have been trained to be suckers. I can't imagine getting on my knees and begging an unhealthy chick (i.e., the average woman) with kids by another man to accept my offering and enter an asset agreement with the state (after working my ass off to get to where I am) — and then having to listen to her complain about how she didn't get exactly what she wanted. But many men are e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:01 PM
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I helped my ex get in good shape by exercising with her. I also had to help her stick to her diet, sometimes going as far as planning out her week. That went on for 1-2 years, and we bonded quite a bit during that time. Actually, things started going sour after we stopped exercising together. That said, I prefer doing 15-minute super-intense workouts (with no rest) on my own. The workouts I was doing with her were very low in intensity (in comparison) and often stretched out for an hour or more.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 04:40 PM
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Bookstores are filled to the brim with women's pron — so what? But reading and fantasizing about being tied up by a ruthless billionaire mafioso (while your husband mows the lawn) is a lot classier, I guess. Men are hardwired to want to spread their seed, but they're trained to sacrifice themselves and their base desires (at least to a certain degree) in pursuit of bullshit that most of them will never receive: genuine romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 12:25 PM
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LOL. It's dry — I know. I shared a few more details (not much) in my response to the other guy. I've been visiting this sub (on and off) since the late fall or early winter of 2013, I think. I met her in 2014. She was a couple of years younger than me, and I was wrapping up college at the time. I eventually flew to her city, and we lived together for a while. Nothing particularly crazy happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 10:55 PM
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Not gonna give too much away, but I DM'd her after a few exchanges on here not long after this sub came into existence (I've been here since almost the beginning). I was charmed by her NAWALTness, and we had a lot in common (quite odd TBH). That eventually led to flirting and Skype chats (nonstop), and that eventually turned into a LTR where we moved in together. I prefer meeting people organically because it's too easy to fake a persona on here IMO. She was trying to be something that she wasn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 10:34 PM
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Women can always get unlimited short-term relationships with average dudes who just want someone to sleep with. That's not up for debate. However, the average older woman is not getting serious looks from dudes worth a shit. The most attractive older women? Of course, but to a lesser extent than the most attractive 20-40 YO women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:52 PM
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As far as the bottom two pics are concerned, men just need to live a healthy lifestyle. It takes a bit of self-control. Average men start at the wall. They need to work their asses off for years just to get a peek over the top. We're used to the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:46 PM
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Hell no. I met someone on PPD in my early 20s and lived with them. I don't recommend it. Meet people in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:07 PM
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If I was already with her, I wouldn't care. She's probably showing that thing off to a bunch of dudes anyway. However, a woman with a giant sternum tattoo isn't anywhere near what I'm looking for right now (or probably ever).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:45 PM
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Would you purchase this, or would you stay in the dating market? Neither. I'm interested in having kids and building a healthy, intact family with a health-conscious, virtuous woman who shares my values and is attracted to me. If I can't get that (and I probably won't), then I'll pass on the dating market, as being single is far superior to anything else IMO. And I'll definitely pass on the robo shit (though I don't think it will become a reality during my lifetime — or maybe ever).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 12:12 PM
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I don't think women are any better or worse than men on average. IMO the biggest difference is that women are more likely to say feel-good, nicey-nice shit to your face (out of cowardice) and then stab you in the back when you least expect it. With men, I know what I'm dealing with most of the time. I prefer harsh truth to bullshit wrapped in nice words.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:32 PM
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The Fable thing is kinda dumb IMO. I don't care if the character is an ugly woman. I've never been turned on by a video game character or an animated character. When I see woke shit in movies or games, I just roll my eyes. For example, I remember watching The Batman in theaters a couple of years ago. At some point, the chick said, "All anyone cares about in this place are these w**** privileged assholes." My friend and I just laughed at how pathetic and forced it was. At this point, I tend to wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:13 PM
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You really think you did something just because naturally you don't over eat? Well, yeah, they did something — and it's admirable. They practice something called self-control. You don't think fit people would love to gobble down junk all day if they knew there were no repercussions? The difference is that they know there are repercussions, and those repercussions go beyond the accumulation of excess body fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:11 PM
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I'm not saying you'd be sad. And you're probably in the minority of women here if you think there are a lot of handsome men. Also, let's say there's a fit, tall 38 YO dude who is just beginning to rake in top 10-20% money and is finally ready to start a family with his newfound abundance. In his case, a relationship with a childless 26 YO woman is probably a better fit than a relationship with a 36 YO mother of two, for example. That doesn't mean he'll leave his wife when she gets older, and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:43 PM
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You told the other poster that there's never a lack of men for women. In that post, you must've been talking about average guys — unless you believe that "real HVM" are the norm. Your first response to me makes it clear that you believe there are even fewer "real HVM" than I presumed. So I did answer you. You're strengthening my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:16 PM
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So there's a low supply of handsome and high-status men for stable LTRs. The other dude didn't say anything about average dudes, as we know women see those as a last resort (and will make many of their lives a living hell).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:27 PM
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There's always a low supply of handsome and high-status men for stable long-term relationships. And the older the person, the lower the supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:27 PM
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Average men have always been expendable. Accept it and move on. The men with all the wealth and power don't care about helping their potential competition, and women tend to flock to the men with the most wealth and power. IMO men should go out of their way to socialize IRL and build genuine, long-lasting relationships with some of the highest-quality people in their communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:16 PM
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I can't speak for other men. In my case, it's partly because the good wives/mothers were already scooped up while I let my last ex waste my time, partly because the average long-term relationship is a soul-sucking trap in my view (so I don't bother trying anymore), and partly because my options aren't compatible with me (i.e., they're out of shape, have children with other men, trashy, disrespectful, uneducated, etc.). Overall, the motivation to pursue isn't there anymore. When I was in my 20s, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 01:29 PM
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That's ridiculous. Many women who chase "bad boys" (and I mean legitimately bad dudes, not just dudes with a backbone) are way more physically attractive than average women. Women tend to be drawn to high-status men. They're not necessarily drawn to men of character, though some are. That said, I think only a small chunk of women are dumb enough to (a) let they're reptile-brained attraction to certain scumbags be known and (b) actually pursue relationships with these men. Most women can control …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:13 PM
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Genuine change typically takes a long time to achieve, and most people fail to sustain it. I assume you are holding yourself to the same standards? Of course. If I ever get married (which is unlikely), I want to marry the feminine version of myself, with similar values. That said, I realize I'm not getting what I want at this point. Personally, I'd rather not know anything about a woman's past, because it would make me lose emotional attraction, but if it gets to the point where her past is unav…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:34 AM
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I've never liked anime, and I'm not a fan of pink, purple, green, or blue hair. It's not a dealbreaker, obviously; it just looks fake and cartoonish to me, and it usually pairs with attention-seeking behavior IME. It tends to look more out of place on older women IMO. Plenty of men probably like it, though. I don't think it's that big of a deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:19 AM
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Obviously — only a fool would wife up a woman just because she's not promiscuous. However, I'm not betting the future of my family on a woman who's addicted to sleeping with men she met at a bar/club (or, nowadays, strangers she met on an app or social media). I don't care what she thinks she wants in the present moment, because that can change (and usually does) when she gets bored. Whether or not she's has a "kind soul" is a separate issue, because she can have a "kind soul" and be addicted to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:14 PM
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Most men in their 30s are fat, broke, and uncharismatic, so it won't happen for most men, obviously. However, if you're at least an average-looking dude and really want it (and that means working your ass off to outcompete other men), you can get it. But most men (including myself) don't really want it. That said, large age gaps are much more common in second marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:40 PM
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It's that boomer male mindset: all common sense goes out the window when discussing women. I remember my dad, who's been married for nearly 40 years (and who met my mother when he was 19), defending a dude for marrying a former stripper/304, talking about how all that matters is whether she loves you. I just laughed. Not surprisingly, that marriage played out exactly how anyone with a shred of common sense would've expected. IMO there's nothing shallow about judging someone based on the habits t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:24 PM
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At this point, feminism is little more than a self-worship cult. You don't have to be fine with dating those women. Feeling guilty about my sub5 body count Why do you feel guilty?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:58 PM
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LOL. You should look for whatever you want. That's not for me to say. (Anyway, a lot of people's standards go out of the window when they meet someone who makes them feel a certain way.) I will say that a good chunk of dudes won't care about your financial situation very much, as other things are much more important to men, but a lot of other guys (especially those who aren't looking to support a SAHM) will see it as a huge plus for LTRs. If you're fit, educated, and have no debt, you're already…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 10:01 PM
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Though I live in the Bay Area in cali. Well, yeah, the cost of living in the Bay Area is significantly above average. I have a single friend who moved to LA and works as a server. He earns more than another college-educated friend of mine who works in marketing and lives in the South, but my friend in the South has a significantly higher standard of living and is the main breadwinner for his family of four. My friend in LA is always complaining about the cost of housing and gas.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 08:59 PM
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It has everything to do with being a truly good person who's not being kind out of weakness (i.e., expecting something in return) IMO. Resoluteness and compassion balance each other out. The men I admire are both resolute and compassionate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:42 PM
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Sure, but the majority of people who berate nice guys on here seem to be far from genuinely good people themselves. Most of them are probably closer to being "the nice guy" than they are to being a genuinely good person who's not in it for the ego boost or validation. Resolute, principled, compassionate people are very rare IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:05 PM
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I'm not convinced that women are any more okay being single forever than men on average, so I don't know why this keeps being brought up (probably because many "feminists" consider it a flex to scream at the top of their lungs about how worthless men are). Young women are more likely to be in relationships, and they're constantly talking about relationships. It's very rare to find a young woman who's not dating whatsoever. The issue is that a chunk of unattractive young dudes who crave either co…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:05 PM
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They don't. Good but very flawed women do, though. A small chunk are willing to acknowledge their flaws and attempt to minimize them. Not every woman is a complete slave to her nature. That said, the vast majority of them definitely seem to be, as they're no longer incentivized to give a shit about anything other than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:15 PM
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IMO women who value good character (to a significant degree) are the only women worth investing in. Unless spinning plates is fulfilling to you, why waste your time and money on women who just want you for financial security? Some women are deserving of loyalty, though most are already taken. If I meet a high-character single woman who's interested in me again, I'll let her into my life. If not, so be it. The average man cannot successfully mirror women's approach, as the average man doesn't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:40 PM
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6 years. That will probably remain the longest for me, as I can't imagine doing it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:01 PM
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She's free (and encouraged) to raise her concerns, share her opinions, and argue her points respectfully, but if she's constantly starting arguments and raising ridiculous concerns, I don't want any part of what she has to offer. I expect her to feel the same way about me. I want both of us to provide peace to each other. There's enough bullshit to deal with outside of the home. I have a friend who's going to get divorced primarily because of this reason. (That said, I wouldn't have married his …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:34 PM
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There’s not a solution as far as I know because women will only be with a man that she truly likes and is attracted to, nothing less. As far as long-term relationships go, it's not much different than it has been for decades. Less than a fifth of women 30-49 aren't in a committed relationship. A lot of people are just delaying serious relationships a bit more than they used to. Most people are eventually going to enter stable LTRs with the same type of people they would've shacked up with anyway…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:56 PM
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It's realistic. It just takes a lot of work for many of them to land shitty relationships with women they're not very attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 12:05 AM
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IMO any guy who's not obese and earns an average salary can land shitty LTRs (usually with fat women or unattractive single moms who will take him for granted). However, unless he's outgoing/charismatic (while also average-looking) or handsome, he's going to struggle getting dates. I do think that a guy has to be either incredibly handsome or wealthy to have a good amount of attractive options to choose from. Height and fitness help, but they don't do much on their own IMO. Height is probably a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:27 PM
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Which media? If its entertainment, its fiction and 99% of it is dogshit. Most romance stories have codependent people being cringe. I agree. I write fiction, and I don't touch on romance. Romance in media is all cringe-inducing to me, but I actually enjoying showing affection to people I care about (or at least I used to enjoy it). I often fast-forward through parts of shows and skip pages of books just to get to what I enjoy the most: the plot. I've stopped watching shows due to unbearable roma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:29 PM
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I agree with everything you wrote. IMO men should possess all of those traits but balance it with a Stoic mindset (truly Stoic, prioritizing wisdom, justice, and self-control). To me, one of the main issues is that disdain comes across as confidence. It's easy to be confident when you see everyone around you as beneath you. These are typically the men who cause women the most problems, because the women eventually realize that those men don't see them as exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:55 PM
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Unless you have kids, you should always prioritize your own life. That sounds like codependency. Obviously. But I'm not interested in a serious LTR unless the goal is having and raising kids together in a healthy household. That's just me; other men feel differently, and that's fine. Didnt realize it wS that important. IMO it shouldn't be very hard to realize considering how much of our media revolves around romance. It's kinda hard to miss. Yeah, men dont hug or show affection like that. I'm a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:27 PM
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Yes, I agree with this completely. I see that for a considerable number of women, communication with bad boys is just one of their “phases of life” and if they are stupid and heavily invested in bad boys... Then I don’t even feel particularly sorry for them, to be honest Same. However, humans don't always behave rationally. A lot of dudes meet women who they know are bad news but overinvest in them because they get caught up in the fantasy — convincing themselves that they're the exception. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:04 PM
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So the real difference is just having roommates? My friends' lives are completely separate from mine. We help each other when possible, but ultimately it's understood that each person prioritizes their own life once we're no longer around each other. Elaborate. Sure. For example, I don't playfully flirt with my friends. My friends will never touch me with the same level of affection. My friends don't make me feel the same way as my partner. It's a different bond. You know that well. So fucking? …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:36 PM
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It's been explained to you countless times (though you probably don't need an explanation). Your friends have their own lives, completely separate from yours (unless you're roommates or something). Many humans have a yearning for relationships that are deeper than friendships. The dynamic between lovebirds is entirely different than that of friends. Friends cannot provide the same type of affection (or connection), and friends don't feel mutual attraction on all levels. If you only see romantic …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:20 PM
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I think it's always been seen as more attractive by women. It's just that women are no longer as hesitant to express their attraction to those men (while constantly complaining about how men don't give enough of a shit about them). Confidence and a DGAF attitude are obviously attractive in all men, but unpredictability and unbridled aggression seem to excite a lot of women as well. IMO a "bad boy" is the perfect disposable man: He's willing to risk it all to do a woman's bidding, and she doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 12:45 PM
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I went to Europe with an Eastern European woman I met while in the US (who spoke English well), and we lived together there for 5 years. We were both born in the same Eastern European country (but my ancestry traces back to a neighboring Eastern European country). If it weren't for the lockdowns, we would've been married and divorced by now. While in Europe, I missed the weather, the flora, the beach, the people, and the overall vibe. I felt the difference on the first day there. I probably woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 12:13 PM
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I agree with your first sentence, but I don't think there's any reason for us to tolerate each other's "brokeness." IMO truly broken people would stay single and childless in an ideal world. Unfortunately, many of the most broken people reproduce quite a bit and introduce a lot more broken people into the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 06:46 PM
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That makes sense. I wish that were the case with me. I'm still willing to do it (to a reasonable extent), but I know it's not something I find enjoyable. What I mean is if it was a situation where a random woman wanted me for a ONS, it would be easier for me to deal with the resistance and disgust mentally, though I still wouldn't be into it. But doing that with women you don't know is insanely stupid, obviously, and I don't have any interest in one-night stands to begin with, so I'd never put m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 06:34 PM
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Manhandling is really the only thing that I find natural. The rest gets me out of the mood. If I didn't know the woman at all, I wouldn't struggle with it (as the hiccup is the emotional attraction part), but I don't have any interest in sleeping with women I don't know or don't care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:37 PM
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I'll be honest: I've never had the desire to smack somebody I care about. I don't get any enjoyment out of it. For dudes like me, it's a significant issue these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 05:28 PM
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You're not answering my question. It's a simple one: Let's assume the woman already has amazing friends. Is it possible for her to yearn for a romantic relationship with a man? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:14 PM
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I know it's possible. I want an answer from her. If a woman has amazing friends, what does she want from a romantic relationship with a man? Is it just money and dick — or is it more? And why can't a man yearn for the same from a romantic relationship with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:01 PM
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Is it possible for a woman with amazing friends to yearn for a romantic relationship with a man? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:14 PM
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I feel like many of the women who should've had children didn't have them, while many of the worst women had way too many. I really despise what our culture has become. It's pathetic. I enjoyed seeing a lot of old friends during Thanksgiving, but it was heartbreaking to see how so many of them put selfish bullshit over the well-being of their kids. Most people seem to have no shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:42 PM
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I can't love (i.e., be emotionally attracted to) a promiscuous woman, so I'd rather just not know anything about a woman's past with other men at this point. I assume that almost any woman I can get with now probably has a past that would turn me off. But I would prefer someone who's not currently promiscuous (and who's not known to be promiscuous by everyone around me).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:08 PM
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Yeah, and my experience has shown me that many women are disgusted by ugly men (though most try to be as neutral as possible when interacting with you). Why any ugly person would expect to be seen as anything other than off-putting (and neutral at best) by random people who don't know them is beyond me. All random people have to go on is our looks at first glance. Most men act neutral towards ugly women as well (though they're likely disgusted by most of them). If you want to focus on the worst …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:31 PM
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That's true as well. Personally, I wouldn't get any enjoyment from being around a woman who associates with me due to money (or job title) — and I definitely wouldn't want to wake up next to someone like that every morning. But I know plenty of guys who don't care as long as they get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 01:10 PM
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I agree, and that makes sense given what I said about women's attractiveness for short-term relationships being relatively stable. But the average guy gets occasional hookups (at best). Most guys need to get into committed relationships to sleep with women consistently. And if you're an average man, getting into LTRs with women of your age group gets easier with age (up to a point, obviously).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 12:02 PM
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I feel like the women here are ignoring the fact that plenty of women are disgusted by unattractive guys. A lot of us uglier guys know that from experience. A good chunk of women aren't afraid to be cruel (for no reason) when they're in a large group.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 11:47 AM
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Yeah, men do too, so what does that have to do with anything? I was referring to your point about women becoming pickier. There's no reason for women to settle down if they become pickier. The average guy becomes fatter, balder, and less attractive with age, yet he's less and less likely to be single over time. Some women become pickier. Most don't, because most become less and less attractive for LTRs with age (even though their attractiveness for short-term relationships stays relatively stabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 11:26 AM
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I think you just got lucky. Honestly, I wouldn't bet on a woman like that, and I'm fine with staying single if need be. My main issue is that I prefer someone with my cultural background (Eastern European), but finding a single woman like that (who's also attracted to me) in the Deep South is damn-near impossible. However, I never want to leave this place again. I love everything here. I spent 5 years in Europe recently, and I was miserable. But, yeah, a man like myself in a woman's body is hone…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:38 AM
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I think there's a difference between nice and basic human decency. I don't expect nice treatment from most people. But, yeah, when someone's nice to me, I just assume they want to be nice. I don't assume there's anything beyond that. I know 99.99% of women aren't attracted to me whatsoever, especially if they barely know me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:27 AM
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She's also referring to an exchange I had with her yesterday.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:52 AM
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I don't think that's unreasonable. It's just that I've heard similar things from younger women, but I know that their dating pool is nothing like that. Yeah, if I could meet a single version of my female equivalent (i.e., childless, active with a clean diet, and college-educated), that would be great as well. But it seems like my female equivalent is out of my league — which is understandable, as fit women in their 20s and early 30s are sought after by a large segment of men. Also, my personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 12:52 AM
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And I'm saying that there are other explanations for what you described. Also, my face is jacked, and random women are rarely nice to me. I don't think anyone should expect random people to be particularly nice to them, especially if they're not a looker. That's just how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 12:24 AM
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On the flip side, this might explain why men believe a woman is sexually interested in them if she is being nice—because men themselves are only nice to women they are sexually attracted to. No. It's because a) women are rarely very nice to normal-looking men, and b) a lot of women suck at expressing interest towards average dudes. When I was younger, I didn't bother flirting with a woman who was flirting with me because all she was doing was being nice, and because I had a shitty self-image, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 12:10 AM
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The problem is you tend to perceive it as "hateful" when a man respectfully expresses that he's not attracted to those women (on a sub centered on dating, no less). You tell men to just turn off their desires (which is laughable) and go do something else with their lives, but you choose to spend your time whining about the way that certain men express their opinions. You can just turn off the phone and go on with your day too. And women are often just as blunt about a man's looks, height, earnin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 12:00 AM
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So basically we get to choose men who are beyond unattractive, have substance abuse problems, have criminal backgrounds, also have 3 or 4 kids paying thousands in child support each month, and have an angry ex wife in tow. Well, 99% of men aren't what you describe here. Is a normal dude (i.e., average looks, height, build, job, and savings — or above average in some and below average in others) equivalent to an unemployed, morbidly obese single mom with 5 kids? A normal dude isn't a druggie with…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:51 PM
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Compared to their 20s? For LTRs? LOL. Hell no. Less than a fifth of American women 30-49 are not in a committed relationship. It doesn't matter if some women want nothing less than a rich, handsome dude in their 20s. Eventually, the vast majority of them accept that they're not getting one for a stable LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 08:00 PM
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I guess you could make a site sort of like this one, where people interact in communities centered around various interests, but focus it on dating (with detailed profiles specifying height, weight, career, relationship goals, parental status, etc.) and include some video chat functionality. Honestly, though, the same thing would happen: Women would get bombarded with countless messages that they'd have to sort through, and most of them would gravitate toward the dudes at the top until they even…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:21 PM
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and treating them like trash or without value. I agree. However, if it's just some dudes talking about how they think single moms are bad options for dating (on a sub focused on dating), I don't see the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 12:01 AM
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Almost everything on this sub has to do with dating. Your original post has to do with dating. She responded to me and didn't bother to claim otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:42 PM
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She was. She brought up single moms and claimed that all men who complain about single moms come from single mother households.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:35 PM
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It shouldn't be surprising that some men will express their lack of attraction towards single moms on a sub focused on dating and sex (especially when the dating pool is now filled with those women). And not all of those men come from single mother households.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:28 PM
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Oh, so you're just trolling? Or do you actually want to engage in a civil discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:24 PM
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What are you talking about? Be more specific, as I don't know what you mean by "this."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:54 PM
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My parents have been married for 35+ years. My mother is, by far, the most badass woman I've ever met, and I trust her more than anyone else on the planet. She's fearless, loyal, giving, and inspiring. I'd never date a single mom, as I'm looking for a woman who could be my wife and mother to my children. I'm not interested in dealing with another man or his kids (or his fucked up family, drama, and bullshit). Plenty of my friends from intact families feel the same way. Let's not act like there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:20 PM
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What do you mean, exactly? Am I supposed to find most women (or people in general) interesting and appealing? Honestly, though, there's a much longer list of reasons why I wouldn't want anything to do with the average single woman my age. And I'm sure they'd have a similarly long list about me. I can get along with almost anybody, but there are only a handful of people I get excited about being around. Most people (male and female) drain me after a while. I don't look forward to interacting with…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:07 PM
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It's not about their gender, though. I don't like most men either. I just tend to form stronger friendships with men because I have more in common with them. People can find me boring, unappealing, and wrong. I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:06 PM
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I don't think all women are boring, unappealing, and wrong. Even if a man thinks they are, he can still pine after women who aren't — and he might never be able to get rid of that desire entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:28 PM
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Just because the women available to you would make your life much worse doesn't mean that you wouldn't be better off with a good woman you're attracted to both physically and emotionally. That desire comes from deep within, and you can't just shut it off completely. Some women here make it seem like all they care about is money and getting their rocks off, and that's cool, but not everyone is like that. I'm content with being single, especially given my options, but I know that my life would've …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:20 PM
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A lot of guys are dating to eventually find a suitable mate. For many (though not all, obviously), that's the main point of entering serious long-term relationships with the opposite sex. Sure, an average-looking 37 YO woman might have significantly fewer high-quality options for stable long-term relationships compared to her younger self, but she's definitely not invisible. She can still sleep around to her heart's content and find long-term relationships with relative ease.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 10:38 PM
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What does the average age being 37 have to do with a 20-something YO guy (the average dude on this sub)? Focus on women in his dating pool instead. Less than a fifth of 30-49 YO American women (and a third of 18-29 YO American women) are not in a committed relationship. Most women are not invisible. It's not like a 37 YO woman wants to date the average 20-something YO man either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:33 PM
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What's a joke? There are still plenty of men that don't want to have kids (or more kids), so those women aren't invisible. Would a woman looking to have kids seek an ugly, broke man? No. So why would a dude looking to have healthy kids seek out an infertile woman (or one nearing infertility)? They're incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:13 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "wall." If we're talking about infertile women (or those nearing infertility), then a lot of guys looking to have their own kids aren't checking for those. Those women aren't invisible, but they're not long-term options for those men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:08 PM
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AOC is way hotter than most plastic, bland Fox News women IMO. I think most of her takes are ridiculously foolish, but she's ridiculously attractive. I wouldn't say crude, foul shit like that about anyone, but it's definitely possible for men to have different tastes. AOC is gorgeous. When she's not bullshitting, she's probably a lot more chill than most of those stiffs on Fox News as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:39 AM
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Liberal women? Sure. A lot of "conservative" men nowadays are just classical liberals, myself included. Progressive women for a serious relationship? No. I know all sorts of conservative men, and I don't know any who want to shack up with a progressive chick. From my perspective, some progressive women are cool for friendship, but that's about it. Truth is, the dudes who cheated on their conservative wives most likely would've cheated on their progressive wives as well. That's a character issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:02 PM
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It won't work because most women won't surrender their chance at hotties. Women's desire for handsome, powerful men (and validation from others) is too strong. Hell, I'd argue that the average woman's desire for committed relationships in general is too strong. The vast majority of women can't bother to stay single even when the vast majority of men are physically and economically unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 04:01 PM
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So? Young women already have bargaining power over physically unattractive men and low-status men (who can't influence shit). By shaving their heads and going 4B, young women surrender their only chance at landing the attractive, high-status men they actually want. Meanwhile, they make it easier for their competition to snag the handsome men and wealthy men. Desirable men will be unaffected; in fact, 4B just makes it easier for them to spot the duds out of the gate. Undesirable men will be large…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:55 PM
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Simps are undesirable and abundant. They don't want simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:12 PM
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Exactly. Do most high-quality dudes want anything to do with a batshit crazy version of a dime-a-dozen 304? They definitely don't want to be in serious relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:50 PM
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I've known since my late teens that I would never end up with a woman I found physically attractive (unless I became filthy rich). I accepted that part a long time ago — and it was never that big of a deal, as I always knew I wasn't hot myself. IMO it doesn't take very long for young guys to figure out where they stand in the marketplace when it comes to looks. It's all the other things outside of the lack of physical attractiveness that I can't be bothered to deal with (though an obese person i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:28 PM
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Stop taking those people seriously, and stop taking it personally. Really, that's all you can do. Men bad; women good. Expect nothing else from the media at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 12:29 PM
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I'm not sure how having more emotional baggage and less trust is a good thing. Can you explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 02:40 PM
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Back then, women didn't have hundreds (or thousands) of men in their pockets. The most attractive men didn't have a buffet of women in their pockets either. If an attractive dude wanted to sleep with a woman, he had to exert effort in public. If a woman wanted to have an affair, she had to flirt in public (and would've had a tougher time hiding everything from her husband).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 03:16 PM
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Men are shooting themselves in the foot by waiting until they’re 30-40 to date 20 year old women. Most young men aren't doing this. Online dating and social media just changed the game for the foreseeable future. More people are delaying stable long-term relationships. IMO people of both sexes will enter long-term relationships with more emotional baggage and less trust towards one another than ever before, and there will continue to be a bunch of kids growing up in broken families (as unmarried…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 03:04 PM
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But I don’t think this partial facade is a men-only thing. Yeah, I've seen women drop their partial facade after years in relationship, and it's just ugly. They go from sweet and caring to cold and calculating on a dime. You can barely recognize them, and they lose most of their charm. A lot of "femininity" is just an act. The same goes for "masculinity" IMO. Very few women are as sweet as they present, and very few men are as tough as they present.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 11:11 AM
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I agree. That makes sense. I feel the same about other species like gorillas. The alpha male just looks infinitely more awe-inspiring than any of the females. The males find them attractive because their appearance mitigates risk and thus makes them more likely to raise their young to adulthood. Right, but I think males find it attractive because they find it attractive. They're not thinking, "Wow, her bland appearance mitigates risk." The males who found those traits attractive enough survived …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 10:54 AM
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They generally want partners at a less rate than men. See, I disagree with this. Very few young women in the US are single. And between 30 and 49, less than a fifth of women report being single. Most young women are rarely without a partner, so I don't buy it. Also, the women I know in real life are constantly talking about each other's relationships. They're constantly asking me and other men about our relationships (or why we're single). And many are in relationships with men that they're clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 11:19 PM
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I do think that if you were to put a man with average genetics and a woman with average genetics (both of them being reasonably fit people in the wild, not modern slob blobs) side by side, another intelligent species would probably find the man to be more impressive physically. But I guess we'll never know. What we do know is that the average man is much more physically attracted to the average woman than vice versa. Of course, a lot of men don't value the average woman for anything more, but a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 10:30 PM
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In this context, the other forms of beauty don't matter, though. From our perspective, the average male lion is infinitely more awe-inspiring than the average female lion, but the female lion is probably the most attractive thing in the world to the male lion. Nature's spell on the male is all that matters. We would've probably gone extinct if the average man didn't evolve to be insanely physically attracted to the average woman. There would've been very little incentive for men to provide for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:51 PM
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only get duty sex with a wife that hates you Not much has changed except that it takes a few years longer for a lot of people to reach that point, as people are getting married later. Most dudes will just end up with older, more baggage-laden versions of the same women they would've ended up with before (and many dudes will probably have to raise another man's kids if they want to have their own kids). IMO it's an even worse deal for men than it was before.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:22 PM
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Why does that make it meaningless, though? I don't get that part. Women want to attract the attention of handsome, tall, powerful, wealthy, charismatic men (who adore them). Most men will never be any of those things. Does that mean most men should just give up on wanting a partner? IMO most men want a warm, loyal, appreciative, compatible woman who's physically attractive to them. Most people don't get what they want. I'm fine with staying single for the rest of my life, as I'm an aromantic int…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:31 AM
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Even if I agree with you, it doesn't change anything else I said. I think Michelle Obama comes off as charismatic, composed, and sharp — like a natural leader. Kamala failed to present anything close to that image, so she lost to the resilient populist figure who provided an opportunity for change (and a middle finger to the establishment). show their implicit bias against voting for a woman LOL. This is the divisiveness I'm talking about. Right out of the gate, everything is about someone's gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 01:20 AM
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Cool, that's your opinion, and many disagreed with you. Her administration is unpopular, and she's not charismatic. That's all that mattered. The Dems should've ran a more charismatic candidate who wasn't as closely affiliated with the current administration (though I realize that Joe bowing out so late was probably the biggest reason they went with her). IMO the Dems need to stop making everything about gender and race. Most normal Americans are just trying to provide a good life for their fami…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:48 AM
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Be yourself doesn't mean just accept doing nothing and socially isolate and expecting success, you can't really be successful doing that in modern society even outside of relationships. But being genuine about your interests 100% But some people just aren't attracted to the people who are willing to be with them, and that's fine. I don't think people should be dating people they don't find attractive (for whatever reason, be it physical or emotional).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 11:24 PM
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If someone chooses to live an angry life and give up on everything without trying, that's on them. Few people are going to enjoy being around them. Dudes should strive to be social, fit, and curious for their own survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 11:18 PM
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No, it's not. It's huge, offline. They just stay online in their digital doom circles. There are significantly more single young men. Even if the Pew survey is flawed and there's only a 10-15% difference, it still exists offline. And young women still have the most power in dating. More lies told by men for men to keep men out of the competition. Most women aren't attracted to any of that. Be real. Sure, many of them might date a dude despite that. Lol. Women here constantly say how they dated o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:50 PM
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If you want hookups... guys have a lot lower physical standards for that I feel. Guys have significantly lower physical standards for hookups, but if you're not a good-looking guy, you're going to struggle getting hookups regardless. The most realistic option for many dudes is to play the long game, as you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:39 PM
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They're not staying single, though. Compared to young men, very few young women are single. Also, women who just want hookups can get plenty. A lot of dudes who want to get laid just can't; the only way some of them can do that is through long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:20 PM
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I'd rather go to where the people are. But hey, if the men here want to fish in the tiniest pool imaginable, stop complaining about the lack of success. My point is that the pool for young men is small regardless, and an average young guy is going to get rejected a lot regardless. I agree that building up your social skills and becoming more resistant to rejection is the best approach. However, it doesn't surprise me that many young men are choosing the most comfortable approach; that's what mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:17 PM
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I mean, there are almost twice as many single men in the 18-29 range (the ones most likely to use Tinder), according to Pew. Given that, the Tinder ratio is pretty much what I'd expect for the US. Even if the actual difference between single men and single women isn't quite that significant, getting rejected on an app is more appealing than getting rejected IRL. A lot of dudes are just unattractive to women unless they have a giant bank account (and most men will never have one), so they'll get …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 09:47 PM
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As Nate Silver recently pointed out, Trump had a slightly lower share of white voters compared to 2016 (60% now vs 62% in 2016). His popularity grew significantly with non-white non-college men (+21). So we can safely remove race from this discussion (and Obama already had two terms FFS). She's tied to an unpopular administration, and her VP pick was a disaster (clown show). There were infinitely better options for the Democrats, but they rolled out an uncharismatic candidate who shat the bed in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 07:42 PM
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Overall, I agree, and it seems like you may be more self-actualized than the average person, so I don't know think you necessarily represent the average woman. My only pushback from a male perspective (and maybe this is exclusive to me, but I've heard similar takes from other men) would be that the only times I felt motivated to pursue serious romantic relationships were when I felt like I needed to be with a specific woman. If a woman doesn't feel special and doesn't seem like she'll fill a hol…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:41 PM
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I interact with the women around me — who are typically nerdier than average, I suppose. I don't think all women thrive off constant validation from random men (though most of the women I've been with did demand constant attention/validation from me, but maybe they were outliers). I'm saying there are a lot of these women (especially young women, though there are plenty of older women like this). Furthermore, I'm saying that there are also a lot of young men who crave validation and attention fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:28 PM
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Have women actually dropped that mindset en masse, or do they just have a much easier time getting seemingly endless attention/validation from the opposite sex due to technology? You're over here acting like there aren't hordes of women addicted to attention from men. LOL. And only a small percentage of young women (18-49) are not in a committed relationship, so it's not like most of them even have to deal with not having a man. The thinly-veiled "women are so much more enlightened than men" BS …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:13 PM
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And for some men, I think it's more of the following realization: "I worked my ass for her and she took everything for granted." It's hard to be enthusiastic about dating seriously after getting kicked to the curb by the person you trusted the most, especially when as a man you're the one who has to go out of your way to chase the opposite sex and endure constant rejection just for an opportunity to develop a lower-quality bond from scratch (at a time when you're already stuck in your ways). My …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:21 PM
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The average divorced dude doesn't become a drug dealer, so we can start there. None of us can explain why your father chose the path that he did. Aren't divorced men a bit more likely to remarry than divorced women? Also, single men tend to take more risks, and fat/sick/handicapped/broke men (who tend to have a lower quality of life and receive little support) are unattractive to women, so it shouldn't be surprising that unmarried men live shorter lives on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:49 PM
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I know exactly what's going on because the policies the people in the mainstream media are promoting lead to the outcomes that my family has already experienced. They're laying all of the groundwork for revolutionary socialism and labeling classical liberals who oppose it "far-right." Proponents of widespread wealth redistribution are far leftists in the American context. I couldn't give a single shit about the Western European political spectrum, as my original comment had to do with American c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:41 PM
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Also, IMO some of them — especially introverts who don't necessarily mind being alone — might think it's the "right thing" to do (due to trauma or their upbringing, for example). When I was younger, I gritted my teeth and helped pull a woman out of the gutter because I thought that's what a "real man" does (i.e., savior complex). I learned my lesson, that's for sure, but I needed to experience the full brunt of the damage for the lesson to really sink in, with emotional scars and lost time servi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 11:29 PM
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Exactly. IMO some adults have to see their foolishness through to the end for an opportunity to learn their lesson. And it's not anybody else's responsibility to stop them. I feel the same way about men who marry blatant gold diggers and women who sleep with well-known POS: no sympathy from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 09:25 PM
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If your idea of having a civil discussion and convincing the other person involves telling them to "read a book," you probably won't be taken seriously — just saying. My family lived under ruthless communism in Europe. I wasn't even born in the US. What exactly is far-left to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:22 PM
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Not at all. The mainstream media in the US is about as far-left as it comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:01 PM
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Somewhat. They just need to be within a reasonable window. A human being is a lot more than their current political beliefs. Based on experience, dealing with politics is the least difficult part; most women who are compatible with me have similar core values and are at least open-minded enough to consider the world outside of the mainstream far-left bubble. Also, I've found that having in-depth, respectful convos with my partner tends to move them toward me politically, for whatever reason. I l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:37 PM
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Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're racist or sexist. I think much of mainstream politics is pageantry, but Michelle Obama, for example, would have been a way stronger candidate than Kamala. Hell, she probably would've won the election decisively. Kamala lacks charisma and wit (whereas Michelle has plenty of both). As a result, she came off as insincere and ditsy (which is also why she flopped in the primaries). Also, she's tied to an unpopular administration, and her VP…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:55 PM
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Because he's probably still working everything out in his head. Ideally, civil debate helps broaden a person's perspective. Seeking pushback on your ideas is a good thing. IMO people who aren't interested in having their views challenged are the problem (here and elsewhere).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:30 PM
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You CLAIM that but you keep saying that men have a higher looks standard for relationships AND you describe hot girls below. Just because a woman isn't a fat single mom doesn't mean she's hot. Also, guys here are chronically online and many of them have claim Margot Robbie is mid. So you're just talking about the tiny percentage of unattractive dudes that throw out rage bait? Do they have the looks or money required to be higher? A man is going to have higher standards for a long-term relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:13 PM
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Sane women will continue to love the men they're with, regardless of whether or not they're "high value." Sane women don't want to become single moms, and most of them aren't "high value" enough to snag a "high value" man for a stable committed relationship. Unattractive men weren't getting laid much outside of committed relationships anyway, and abortion isn't even illegal in every state. This is all a bunch of online brain rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:05 PM
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And then guys here wanna complain when they dont match the requirements these hot girls want. First off, they're not hot, as I said. Second, why wouldn't the bar be higher? If the dude isn't motivated to chase and make sacrifices for the woman, the relationship isn't going to last, period. Women want men (typically the ones who earn more than they do) to chase them and pamper them, but men need an incentive to chase and pamper. Most men and women settle for mediocre relationships. In the long-ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:58 PM
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As long as he knows he’s not going to get most women and is minimize his options. Is he supposed to desire most women? For example, if he's a childless, fit dude with decent career prospects, is he supposed to want a fat, lazy woman with another man's kids, even if that's probably the average woman in his dating pool after a certain point? Good luck with that because hot girls really do want what the black pills behind all women want. She just needs to be "attractive enough." The bar for "attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:32 PM
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Tensions escalating to that extent on the regular basis? Probably not, because I think it takes a certain level of crazy and evil to do shit like that. The vast majority of men aren't psychopathic murderers, and those nutcases existed way before the manosphere. If the sane versions of those men find out that they want something else from their relationships and decide to divorce their wives, I don't see what the issue is, given that marriage is pretty much meaningless at this point anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:26 PM
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Guys here are saying they’ll fuck anything Some men, not all men. Also, having the bare minimum level of physical attraction towards a woman (or some physical trait that she has) in a specific moment isn't necessarily going to motivate a man to pursue her for a stable LTR. That typically requires a higher level of physical attraction and, more importantly, emotional attraction — which is where chemistry, shared values, and all of the other things mentioned come into play.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:10 PM
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Where do you think the chicks from the View get the gall to call straight men (and specifically those men) "useless" on one of the top (if not the top) daytime talk shows in the nation (as their audience claps in response)? Clearly, a good chunk of American women — young and old — absolutely despise males (even the completely innocent ones). That's unfortunate — whatevs. However, you'll rarely see the biggest voices in the mainstream media call them out for it. Typically, you'll see pushback in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:22 AM
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Are men chasing the top women as much as women chase top men? My ex-fiance was a modest, sweet woman with a minimal social media presence (i.e., no thirst traps or regular postings), and she still had plenty of dudes sliding into her DMs and approaching her IRL. If she dated me for 6 years (and lived with me for 4), she definitely wasn't a top woman. Based on my experiences, I think average and below-average young women get a lot more attention from men than you believe (and a lot more than they…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:01 PM
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Many of us don't want it because we don't need it (and often find ourselves cleaning up after our partners anyway). Most housework is easy AF to do with all of the appliances, luxuries, and gadgets that we now have. And cooking from scratch is fun for some of us. Also, IMO a man has to be a complete dufus to put himself in the position to lose half of what he worked for (and God knows what else) whenever the woman who sits at home all day gets bored while absorbing garbage on social media. Hell …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:12 PM
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If we're talking about having to choose between those two options, I'll take A. I'm not interested in a trad woman who just wants to sit home, period. I can wash my own clothes and dishes, and cook my own meals (and actually enjoy doing so). We have running water, electric stoves, washing machines, dryers, vacuum cleaners — and all sorts of other luxuries, appliances, and gadgets. None of those tasks take very long to do on my own. Unless the woman is going to homeschool our children, I'll pass …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 06:03 PM
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I can tell you this: I've always used my imagination, but I've never thought about imaginary women. I'm not attracted to imaginary women with perfect features. I'm attracted to real women with unique features and flaws, and personality adds to the attraction. IMO fantasizing about imaginary people is toxic and may encourage ridiculous standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 05:14 PM
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I wasn't "begging," though. The feeling of inadequacy just motivated me to work harder and take more risks to find someone who would "complete me." Then my standards went way up, and the quality of available women went way down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:39 AM
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The only period in my adult life when I wasn't single was when I hated myself. One of the main things that motivated me to go out of my way to be with a woman was the fact that I felt incomplete and inadequate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:17 AM
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I've only ever seen women call dudes F-boys after they've become bitter/angry for some reason. I've seen women run back to dudes they've referred to as F-boys. IME most women love F-boys. The whole "they're not taken seriously as human beings" thing is silly to me. Of course, that's what women want the dudes to think, but their actions and obsessions say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 10:45 AM
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I blame myself as well, and I struggle to forgive myself for wasting my best years building up another person. Like you, I wish I knew then what I know now. A lot of unlucky people end up broken like us. (Of course, a lot have it much worse in the dating realm.) Honestly, I wish I had a sibling with a family. I wouldn't have even bothered wasting my time trying to start my own family. I'd just be helping out whenever possible, and spoiling their kids. From what I gather here, you seem like a goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 02:54 AM
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but a lot of guys who focus on personal growth or mastering a skill still attract genuine respect and attention from others without needing fame. I'd take self-fulfillment without any fame. To me, nothing would be more rewarding than becoming one of the best at something I love to do. The flow state is euphoric. However, a lot of dudes here just want to maximize their success with women, because they enjoy being with attractive women. The admiration part is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 09:44 PM
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This isn't about the segment of men who worships degenerates. At worst, an F-boy is a brand of masculinity that a man might find off-putting and/or immoral. But it still implies that the man is masculine, which is why it doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as a woman calling a man a "virgin" or telling him that he "can't get laid." It's just an ineffective insult (though it would likely be more effective if people were more religious and traditional values were still the norm). However, as I said,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 09:34 PM
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You can bet that many of them would feel shame for being called "virgins," though. An F-boy is typically seen as masculine — the type that can spread his seed. It's primal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 09:09 PM
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I've never known a guy who sees it as hurtful or shameful. But you're absolutely right that women use it as a diss.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:29 PM
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You're talking about being admired by the masses, whereas most men here are talking about being attractive to women. Yeah, a handful of dudes out of billions will be remembered for a few hundred (or thousand) years. The amount of sacrifice it takes to become truly great at something is incomprehensible to the average person IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:44 PM
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Nothing, because I rarely (if ever) see a man declaring "all men are like that." I see men making those types of statements about women, and I see women making those types of statements about men. What I do see is men expressing their opinions about how some, many, or most men are like that. Most men are fat and lazy. Many men have low standards for LTRs. Some men will bang anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 11:10 AM
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To me, marriage means very little because I've seen many women throw it all away in pursuit of lust, greed, or delusions. I think a married household is better for children, so I'm willing to marry a woman who has my kids. I also think that a woman who bears a man's child takes a huge risk, so I'm willing to take a huge risk in return to even everything out as best as I can. I get it. As I hinted above, I think a lot of women just want a retirement fund, which is why I asked for a deeper explana…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 10:40 AM
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I don't think women past a certain age are worthless whatsoever. Why would you assume that? Hell, I wouldn't marry a woman in her 20s if we weren't having kids. (Also, that's just my opinion, and I'm looking for another person's perspective. I asked you, because you seem like a straight-shooter who's actually capable of engaging in civil discussions.) Once I'm in my 40s (and past my lazy attempt at "building a family), I'll probably have LTRs with older women. I'm going to pamper them, but I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 03:30 AM
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Isn’t women’s testosterone highest and estrogen lowest during PMS? So hormonally women are most similar to men at this time. So does that mean men are always PMSing? High estrogen in men is associated with irritability and moodiness as well, so probably not. But I know you're probably joking. Men and women can control themselves. PMS is no excuse to abuse people and sexual appetite is no excuse for shitty behavior either. Yeah, I never noticed the women who lived with me treating me any differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:32 PM
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I would dump the guy right away if he just plans on keeping me to pay half the bills forever with no ring. Fuck that noise. Just curious — why? At that age, she's not giving him any kids. From my perspective, what he's describing is an egalitarian setup (as long as she's aware of his intentions). Also, what does marriage change? People can leave a marriage at any time, and women often do. As a dude, I just can't wrap my head around women's obsession with getting married after your childbearing y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 01:38 PM
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I get that. OP is as toxic as those men, though. And instead of calling her out for her toxicity, the other poster just tells her to avoid toxic men, as if OP is merely an innocent victim of the meanies on the internet. When young men hear/see women ranting about men needing to "financially provide" for women while fulfilling the "deepest biological desires" of women (and few women calling them out for their toxicity), what do you think those young men are led to believe about women? Honestly, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 04:32 PM
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Would a single 35 year old woman who's bio clock hasn't run out yet and wants kids, but it's getting late in the game, sign up for a relationship with a single Dad who has joint custody of his two kids 80+ percent of the time, whose ex gets the kids every other weekend, and the guy told her he's "done" having kids and he basically just wants a wife to fuck and help pay bills? Yeah, it's a pretty straightforward answer the other way around, so I don't know why some people make it seem like dudes …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:30 PM
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A lot of men are fine with it. I'm not because I don't want to raise another man's child or deal with another man and his family. If I'm going to be with a woman, I want to be with one who's similar to me. I'd much rather be single than deal with a single mom in a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 01:45 PM
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I think I made that very clear already. Expecting men to fulfill your "deepest biological desires" is toxic. Meanwhile, you responded with passive aggressive comments like "Exhibit A." OP doesn't need to get off the internet. IMO she would benefit more from reassessing her expectations of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 01:34 PM
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I thought you'd respond in good faith. I was wrong. My bad. I guess you're just looking for people to agree with everything you wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:49 PM
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If a dude was whining about women being incapable of fulfilling his "deepest biological desires," you'd likely be calling him out for it (and rightfully so).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:25 PM
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For good people, certainly. It's devastating. However, I think most people are selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:22 PM
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I'd expect women to stay longer, because they're waiting for that inheritance (and divorcing a sick man is a really bad look). I think men would do the same if women earned significantly more on average. Humans are selfish AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:50 AM
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Toxic? Rotten opinions? OP is complaining that men can't fulfill women's "deepest biological desires." A woman who holds that view doesn't deserve a good man, because she'll take him for granted anyway. Few women are good enough to get commitment from the rare tall, handsome, wealthy man who's capable of being devoted to one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:39 AM
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None of the younger dudes I know who've been married for more than 10 years are happy in their marriage. I know two older couples who seem to be happily married, but I've seen too many marriages end in a shit show. All the married couples in my family seem to tolerate each other, at best. If two beautiful, smart, well-rounded people who are completely attracted to each other meet when they're fairly young and build a family together, it's worth it IMO. But that's very rare. I'd never marry witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 10:38 AM
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I agree wholeheartedly. Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior. So why would any man expect a woman with a bunch of exes and/or FWBs to be anything other than a promiscuous woman who's incapable of maintaining a stable LTR or valuing commitment (i.e., a poor long-term investment)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 02:03 PM
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I love myself a lot, and people tend to enjoy my company. I treat my body like it's the only one I'll ever have. At the same time, I can recognize I'm not handsome enough to attract the type of person I find very attractive — at least, not regularly. I'm not delusional or arrogant. At this point, I know where I stand in the dating market and what role the vast majority of women have me pegged for (i.e., the cleanup man). It's not a role I wish to fulfill. I think most people find it grating to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:29 PM
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The point I'm trying to contest is you saying that the reason why women delete the apps quickly is because dudes swipe on everything. I made that pretty clear in my first response, and I've given several reasons why I think you're not providing the full picture. So why did you put it in a comment replying to me? Because you're making it seem like it's impossible for young women to find dudes who are serious on online dating apps. By your own admission, 70% of dudes are on there for something oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 09:45 PM
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13% of women are on dating apps for casual sex, vs 31% for men. So nearly 70% men aren't on there for casual sex? And there are way more men than women on the apps? What's the problem? I mean, most women (2/3 of 18-29 YO and 4/5 of 30-49 YO) are in a committed relationship. They're not struggling to find serious relationships at all. Casual sex isn't fulfilling for women regardless of how the dude looks, so if we're going to do it then at least we can do it with a hot guy to fantasize about late…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 08:43 PM
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That isn't a thing. We are looking for relationships, not pump and dumps. We don't decide after dating a dude once to delete the apps Some women are looking for relationships. Some women are looking for hotties to sleep with. Obviously, most women don't want ONS with average or ugly dudes, as the risk is too high. However, there are plenty of dudes on the apps are looking for LTRs too. And of course the math works out that if we're off the apps, then so is the man Women tend to date a bit up in …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 07:44 PM
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A lot of women delete the apps because they find what they're looking for really quickly. Also, in the age group that uses those apps the most, there are significantly more single men than women — and many women have plenty of people hitting on them IRL too, so they don't need to use apps. If you're an average young dude, good luck finding an average young woman who's single, let alone attracted to you (as well as compatible with you), without apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 07:08 PM
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If I used dating apps, I would be selective as well. But I think dating apps are a waste of time for dudes who aren't above average in the face. For women, it's like online shopping for hawt guys and providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:35 PM
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I have seen men on dating apps irl and it seems many don’t even really look at the women for more than half a second and definitely don’t look at her profile. When I was younger, I remember seeing women around me do the same thing. Except for them, it was just left swipe after left swipe. Chicks are also obsessed with height and career prospects, so they might dig a little deeper into a handful of men's profiles before swiping right. For a lot of dudes, the chances of matching with women who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 12:07 PM
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I'm a 2-3 who could easily go to a 5-6 with SARPE and a minor nose job (my nose is flawless besides the giant bump in the middle). I'm very fit and taller than average, and I have a full head of hair. I'm getting SARPE (followed by braces) soon, as I think it will help with my career, but I'd probably avoid cheap plastic surgery just because I'd rather have my flawed nose than a botched one. That extra point in attractiveness wouldn't be worth it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:02 PM
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Women's preferences are very straightforward IMO (though many women obfuscate them to avoid feeling "shallow"). The vast majority just can't get everything they want in one guy for a stable LTR, so most eventually settle for a dude who makes them feel comfortable and secure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:43 PM
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My dad hit the wall hard in his mid-40s as well. However, he did pretty much everything he could to age himself: Smoked cigs Drank alcohol and soda Ate slop Maintained a poor physique Slept very little Spent hours in the sun everyday Got little to no exercise Worked a stressful, physically-demanding job I spend every Saturday during the summer bodyboarding under the southern US sun, but that's really the only thing that might age me a bit. Balding doesn't run in my family either, so you might be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 10:33 PM
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Yeah, I'm 33. I look like a college senior from Eastern Europe. I think it's my skin? I also have a mix of childish and masculine facial features that just don't quite mesh. For example, I have round eyes, small lips, a narrow face, and a thin nose, but I also have a thick brow ridge and a sharp jawline (due to low body fat). I'm taller than average and my voice is deeper than average, so that helps a bit. I plan to grow my beard out to make my face look wider when I get older. Right now, I keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:54 PM
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What drives me the most is that I know I'm alone in this world and I need to become the best I can be to fight for myself and my needs. Nobody is coming to save me — not God, not some crooked politician, not some random woman or man. I don't have a family. I came from nothing. If I want to thrive in this society — be it as corrupt as it is — I don't really have a choice but to improve each day. The alternative is to get stomped on and used by others, and that's not acceptable in my view. Becomin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 11:23 AM
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Hell, I wish like attracted like. I'd definitely wife up the female version of myself, busted mug and all. That's a 10/10 in my eyes. The vast majority of women who've been attracted to me have been nothing like me. Value-wise, sure, but not when it comes to body type, lifestyle, or parental status. A fit woman has significant more value on the dating market than a fit guy, for example. Also, I look 10 years younger than I am, and I don't think that does me any favors as a man. On the flipside- …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 10:56 AM
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Most women in the US aren't choosing to be alone. Almost 70% of American women 18-29 are in committed relationships, and more than 80% of American women 30-49 are in committed relationships. For people who would rather be alone, they sure are alone very rarely. And when you listen to women talk to each other, the conversation pretty much always involves relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 10:09 AM
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And 100% of them are paid Yeah, that's why it's called a job. And? Neither are most men. I know countless men who worked those jobs. At least a quarter of the men from my high school graduating class worked on oil rigs at some point. It's pretty common in the South. Then virtue signaling it is retarded 🤡 They're financially supporting their families. Also, that was just one example of the sacrifices that men make.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:57 AM
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But more than 90% of people who work those jobs are men. Women aren't lining up to work them while their husbands work easy jobs. If it didnt pay you wouldnt do it. LOL. No shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:26 AM
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I'll take option 2 without the "growing into the kind of partners that women want" thing. The majority of women don't deserve excellent partners, and what they want is ridiculous. Most will eventually obtain stable LTRs with the mediocre men they deserve. Dudes should just take care of themselves, express themselves, and pursue their passions. If a good one comes along, go for it. If not, oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:26 PM
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Also obesity and overweight percentages/bmi don't account for the fact men purposely put on more muscle mass. I have a six pack (very low BF%) and a BMI slightly above 25, which would make me "overweight." With a loose-fitting long-sleeve shirt on, most women would probably say I'm skinny. I'm not jacked, just ripped, and I'm only 6'1", far from a giant, but I'm classified as "overweight." If I lost any more body fat, I'd look transparent, as my veins are already bulging on all of my limbs. BMI …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:59 PM
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Nice, hopefully you can pop in when the women here talk about how they seek out tall and strong men because they want protectors. Just downplay the dudes who actually do it, though. Notice how it's the men using their bodies as human shields. It’s also 2024 and anyone can learn how to use a weapon for self-defense. I agree. More women should IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:12 PM
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Most dont. Are you? Most women work hard too, are you denying that? Never denied it. But the vast majority of physically-demanding and dangerous jobs are worked by men. So who do you think they're protecting them from? You said men were dying to protect women? Who is? Are you? When I was with my fiance, I was absolutely ready to die for her. Lie about what? About vowing to stay with a man through the listed challenges. It's pretty obvious. If you think it's a risk, don't do it. That's dumb IMO. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:00 PM
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Most men don't work dangerous jobs, but the vast majority of dangerous and physically-demanding jobs are worked by men, and many men work hard labor. When it comes to men loving their children, of course I believe the God of the Bible intended that. I don't think that many men by nature love their children as much as women do. Women have a stronger connection with a being that came from their own bodies IMO. My dad told my several times that my mother loves me more than he ever can, and in my vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:44 PM
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Yeah, thank God at least I'm not one of those men. I don't know what I would do if I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:27 PM
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And I wouldn't date blue-collar anyway, so what those men do are irrelevant. LOL. This isn't about you and your preferences. Most average-earning women aren't marrying well-off dudes with cushy office jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:25 PM
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Sure. Stop pretending that most men have cushy office jobs first.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:21 PM
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Aight. I mean, I wouldn't even know you were here had you not responded to me, so I guess I can ask you the same question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:20 PM
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A man can choose not to have a family and not to work a job that involves hard labor (not necessarily dangerous). He does it because he believes in a higher purpose, often love. The average woman would rather just find a better earner than support her husband by working hard labor for decades. And I'm not even saying it's "wrong." It just is. I believe that nature (or God) intended men to love women and women to love their children. That's just an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:08 PM
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That's cool. Enjoy the discussion. Maybe he can address why he choose to give me the same response in the other thread and then completely deny that this has anything to do with me (and misrepresent my point).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:58 PM
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You can revisit my previous response for my current response. When someone states that something is obvious, what does that imply? Does that imply that someone disagrees with your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:50 PM
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To correct you on what? I already told you that you're just stating obvious nonsense and projecting BS onto a bunch of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:40 PM
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Most men don't do this. A lot of men do it. My father did it. My grandfather did it in the coal mines. His 10+ brothers did it — and a few died. Protect them from who? I don't know? Ask the men who made themselves into human shields at the Vegas tragedy, for example. The average man's first instinct is to throw himself in front of the woman he loves. The average woman's first instinct is to throw herself in front of her child and hide behind her man. Being able to end a horrible relationship doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:36 PM
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I agree. We all eventually learn that our fantasies are bullshit, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:20 PM
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A lifetime in service? In the West? Alright, sister. LOL. The average woman who has children wants to have children herself. Most women aren't doing it for the man. The man merely plays a role in her fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:06 PM
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What long-term sacrifices are you meaning? The day I see large groups of women working hard labor to support their husbands at home for decades, the day I see large groups of women willing to put their lives on the line to protect their husbands, the day I see large groups of women willing to get on their knees and ask a man for their hand in marriage — I'll believe that most women are capable and willing to love most men like most men are capable and willing to love most women. Until then, no. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:45 PM
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You just made a post pretty much quoting me verbatim like an hour after responding to me with the same nonsense. Acting like it had nothing to do with my post is childish. If you're going to criticize my opinion, at least do a better job of representing it instead of coming up with a straw man and then projecting it onto a bunch of men on here. There's plenty to criticize with my takes (as with anyone else's), but you're just stating obvious nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:33 PM
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"I don't want to be single, so I'd be willing to date, marry and fall in love with anyone at this point." No, not at all. You quoted me without even understanding what I was saying, and then you projected some nonsense onto an entire swath of men on here. I wouldn't want to date 99.99% of women. I don't know how you came up with that one. Though what these dudes don't realize is they WOULDN'T actually enjoy dating just about anyone. MOST people aren't compatible with most people. That's not what…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:27 PM
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Appreciate it. If anything, I'm grateful for the learning experience, as one of the things it taught me was that maybe that type of life isn't for me. I was never really happy or satisfied in a LTR, and she treated me better than any woman I've ever met. I'm probably just one of the few who's meant to be alone (and comfortable enough with myself to accept it). I just wish I could have those six years back, as I could've spent all of that time and money doing something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:03 PM
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No, you said that he's talking about the top 30% of women. He didn't mention 30%. I asked you a question to clarify something. And what I'm saying is that there's more to being in the top 30% than BMI (though I'm overweight according to BMI despite having a low BF%). I think plenty of overweight women (not obese) are in the top 30% over some fit train-wrecks and more unfortunate-looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:59 AM
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Just to clarify, do you think that all a woman has to do to be in the top 30% is to not be fat? If so, then women are dating on easy mode. What about other things like face, body shape, personality, and baby daddies? I'm almost 6'2" and shredded at 33, and I'm not in the top 30% of men when it comes to male physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:39 AM
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Yet almost 70% of 18-29 YO American women are in committed relationships, so at least half of the fat chicks in the country aren't struggling to enter LTRs. Therefore, men aren't ignoring them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:29 AM
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Like personality and behavioral traits that make a woman a worthwhile long-term partner — you know, the things that make a man want to share his life (including his home and finances) with a woman during the 99% of the time he's not having sex? Maybe she's compassionate and sweet. Maybe she's incredibly interesting. Maybe she has an infectious personality. Maybe she's an amazing cook. Maybe she seems like someone who'll be a 5-star mother and role model to his children. Maybe she goes out of her…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:58 PM
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Which he's getting anyway (and can get from other women). Women aren't saving it for marriage anymore, so it's not for sex. Some women just have more to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:31 PM
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If dudes only cared about sex, why would an outstanding dude be willing to commit to one woman over the rest? Why would he get on his knees and propose to her? Why would he pamper her? Why would he remain loyal to her? He could have all the sex he wants — and men crave variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:29 PM
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Many young women have absolutely no issue finding outstanding dudes who are willing to commit to them, so I would say that sex is not all that men care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:22 PM
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It's a huge problem. That's why I try my best to pick dudes up when I can (though I sometimes let my anger or frustration get the best of me). I never want to be the last gust that pushes someone over the edge. You never truly know what's going on in another man's head. Luckily, none of the young men I know have tapped out yet. The only men around me who did so were three 40+ YO men post-divorce. Men need strong communities and a higher purpose. What many men in the West have now just ain't it I…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:44 PM
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Quite a lot. She cheated. And I had a lot of room to grow as a man. Turns out, even some women who say they want certain types of dudes actually want other types of dudes. Honestly, I think she wanted to leave for the last year but didn't know how to do it without hurting me. During that time, she started a friendship with a woman who was a really bad influence on her IMO. Plus, we were incompatible in some ways. For instance, she was a bit too careless for me. She was very vain, but she knew it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:26 PM
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Literally will raise another mans kid but judge you because you didn't settle down immediatly and be desperate lol. Those dudes are hilarious, though. I don't have much respect for them to begin with. I just let them celebrate. I have very little to discuss with someone like that. Relationships are just all built around catering to women Modern society caters to women. Personally, I enjoy pampering a good woman who's willing to pamper me. But 99.99% of women aren't worth the effort IMO. And the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:12 PM
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I'm glad to hear that you feel good being single and know what you'd need from someone to consider dating them. Yeah, but I'm in my 30s and have experienced relationships enough to know that they're not all they're cracked up to be. I find most of them to be unworthy of the effort, and I'm very comfortable with who I am at this point. I don't need validation from strangers anymore, but I would still love to have a good woman and kids to take care of. (I just think 99% of the good women in my dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:27 PM
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I agree with you. I'll be single for the rest of my life if I have to be. I find singledom to be peaceful and freeing. However, you get validation from the opposite sex, even if you choose to reject it. Those men don't get any validation or relief, and young men have very high sex drives. Also, dudes tend to be judged harshly (by both men and women) for being unsuccessful with women. Older men might not care about other people's views as much, but that pressure impacts most young men IMO. Young …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:14 PM
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If men were more selective, they'd likely experience less rejection on the apps by women feeling increasingly jaded. With that approach, they're also going to stay single for much longer — which is fine (or even preferable) for some but can be quite a grueling experience for many men during their most virile years. For some dudes, it's just a life of waking up, exercising, working, and sleeping for months (or years) on end. No support. No validation. Few decent dating prospects. Other than mater…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:03 PM
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Honestly, three things would suffice: Demonstration of genuine gratitude and appreciation (most young women behave as if everything is owed to them) Lack of disrespect (most women love taking little jabs at their partners) A concern for my well-being (IME most women don't really give much of a shit about their BFs) My ex-fiance used to give me massages at the end of the day. And although I did most of the cooking (as I enjoy preparing new recipes), she would sometimes make me special dishes from…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:10 PM
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LOL. Emasculated? For me, that's the ideal setup given this culture. However, I've never seen a happy woman in that situation — at least, not in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:05 AM
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My man, I've long reached a point where there are only a handful of labels that would genuinely bother me. I know exactly who I am deep down in my soul, and I'm 100% comfortable with it. IMO there's nothing wrong with being distrustful of people — male or female — who've done absolutely nothing to earn your trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:46 AM
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I think women are more likely to open up about these things with other women. When women talk to men, they often try to put on an act (and men do the same to women). Every woman who wanted something from me tried to present the most compatible version of herself to me. As I get older, I believe I'm starting to understand why a lot of older guys around me prefer bimbos: because the men always know exactly what they're dealing with and can't "fall" for the woman. When I was younger, I was always c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:27 AM
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You've also got women who unabashedly read the books and don't see the issue with being fans of that kind of garbage. Honestly, I've never met one of these women. That said, I do agree with your assessment overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:12 AM
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It also reveals to me the kinds of women a lot of men have in mind when they are complaining about modern dating. An ex of mine is one the most kind and intelligent women I've ever met, and she read those books (though she denied it at first). I'm not buying what you're selling. Every woman I've ever met denies reading those books. However, I think they were the best-sellers of the twenty-tens. Something doesn't add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:31 PM
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You've convinced me. Let's all be bros and do bro stuff together starting right now. Honestly, though, I've always had much stronger friendships with men. Most dudes don't need permission to build strong friendships with other dudes. My male friends aren't as sensitive as my female friends, and they're more honest and upfront. We have similar experiences and struggles in life. We also have similar interests. I view women in general like most modern feminists in the US view men in general, so I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 08:06 PM
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Taboo is sexy and exciting to many. Pair a taboo situation with a hot woman who desires you, and voila. Most men aren't desired. Most men don't have access to attractive women. Most men have to follow the rules IRL. Breaking the rules is often exhilarating. Even then, it's just a piece of a very large pie. Meanwhile, basically all of female erotica is tall, handsome, rich, dominant male becomes obsessed with female protagonist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:10 PM
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Based off of popular media geared towards men, I think it's safer to say that most men find busty, beautiful, warm, enthusiastic women attractive. ;_; And based off of popular media geared towards women, it's safe to say that most women find tall, handsome, rich, strong, hung, charismatic, dominant men attractive. ;_; Are there exceptions? Yes. Do preferences vary somewhat? Yes. Sure, lets have that be the basis of what men find attractive. I don't think stories featuring that NSFL shit would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:57 PM
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So is GTA, are we going back to the debunked belief that video games influence IRL violence? None of this has to do with influence. You're the one bringing influence into it. I listen to Drill almost daily. It's never influenced me to do anything IRL, but it does say something about me. Anyway, I'm going back to what I said in my first response: Fiction can provide a glimpse into what really tickles someone's fancy when there are no social consequences involved. However, when you introduce real …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:01 PM
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My point is that there's a reason why those types of stories aren't insanely popular with men. Stories of women being dominated by rich men are popular among females. Video games about dudes kicking ass are popular among males. I don't know much about RE Village or the rich female character you've mentioned. However, RE Village is a horror game, not a romance game. As far as I know, she's not in all of the games, so her character isn't the reason why the games in the RE franchise sell better tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:42 PM
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The most common form this ‘fiction = reality’ thing comes in is men using 59 Shades Of Grey to say ‘women like bad boys’. It's not like 50 Shades is the only one. The movie 365 Days broke records on Netflix for it's time on the top 10. In that story, the female character is kidnapped by a rich criminal. Why isn't the average male consumer as intrigued about stories of a male character being dominated by a rich woman? Doesn't the success of these stories say anything about the average female cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:29 PM
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I kinda agree with the other guy. Neither looks nor personality cause me to "fall" for someone anymore. I can admire someone's looks or personality, but "falling" for someone based off a few physical or personality traits is foolish. Going crazy over one quality, like OP said, is reserved for the young and dumb. Compatibility and trustworthiness seal the deal. At this point, I know that even the warmest women can't be trusted too much. It would take me a long time to feel someone out and "fall" …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 06:32 PM
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Me? No, but most guys who are dating at that age would probably be willing to get married or enter a serious relationship. Honestly, if I'm not building a family with a woman, I'm not interested in living with her or committing to her. That's just me, though. Right now, I don't see a benefit in the type of arrangement you mentioned, but maybe my perspective will change over the next 7 years. I'd be fine with a less serious, more distant relationship/friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:37 PM
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Doesn't the redpill teach men to go for much younger women? I think that's more of a thing for men looking to build a family. I'm 33 and comfortable with 25-33. My last ex was 3 years younger than me. I'm a dude who's still open to building a family. However, if I'm single at 40, I'll just give up on serious relationships and pursue older women when I feel like it. At that age, I wouldn't feel comfortable dating a 20-something YO woman or having children with a woman in her late 30s. It takes a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:18 PM
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Women do not have the almighty power to choose whoever they want Straw man. LOL. Nice. I just told you below-average women struggle to find men they're attracted to for stable LTRs. I've said this multiple times now. You sure? How many mass shootings are feminists responsible for? How many recent ones have been done by verified members of the Red Pill? I can probably name more carried out by members of another community in the last few years. To me, it's really no surprise that people who experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 01:03 PM
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A ploy by a small group of men? Are you referring to grifting by TRP influencers? If I'm going to have another romantic relationship, I want a good one, so I would never lie about something like this (though I wouldn't sleep with an escort to begin with). However, IMO this is what happens to some people in a low-trust dating culture where basically anything goes. Men and women did this to themselves by removing all of the guardrails in the courting process just to pursue what feels good in the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:33 PM
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I'm going to skip to the point: Young women are nature's selectors. Below-average young women are the ones rejecting below-average young men. I just stated that below-average women struggle to find someone they're attracted to for stable LTRs. Below-average men's main issue is finding someone who's attracted to them (for serious or casual relationships). Therefore, young women don't even have to consider single dads if they want dates. Then, as I stated earlier, the bottom 10% of young men are p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:36 AM
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You can only have a second marriage once. How are people who divorce 3 times impacting the dreadful divorce statistics for second marriages?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:40 AM
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That's clearly not what we're discussing. Honestly, you're the one who brought up casual stuff. In my initial response, I was talking about serious relationships (i.e., ones that lead to marriage and kids), as I assumed that's what OP was talking about. You derailed it. Then women struggle as much in dating as men. Do many average and below-average women struggle to get long-term commitment from a high-earning man they're physically attracted to? Sure. But that's not what we're discussing here. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:27 AM
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This fallacy that women are "just as bad" has no basis in reality and is a false justification for dudes here to be shitty towards women. That's all. I just noticed your edit. For starters, please address me as an individual instead of kicking things off with the "y'all" nonsense. I speak for myself only. Just because the women on PPD (many of whom claim they're in perfect relationships but spend countless hours each day lobbing veiled insults at struggling young dudes and engaging in concern tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:40 AM
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Some women enjoy dating for sex. And some young women looking for serious relationships don't realize their relationships aren't serious. Below-average childless women will find it difficult to lock down an attractive dude for a LTR — even if they can occasionally hook up with them. However, those women can have serious relationships with childless below-average men at any time. They don't need to date single dads unless they really want to. Also, there are more young men than young women (like …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 12:06 AM
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Most posters are young. Below-average young dudes have a tiny dating pool, and women tend to have kids at an earlier age than men. Single parents of both sexes come with a lot of extra baggage that many above-average people don't want to deal with (though some are willing to stomach it for the right person). Below-average young women still have a lot of dating options, so they can just ignore single dads completely. Therefore, it's not surprising that childless young men looking to date are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 11:52 PM
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Any guy over 35 that’s never settled down prob isn’t going to now. A good chunk of guys (like 40%) are still childless at that age. Plenty of those guys are looking to settle down. Of course, very few of them are devilishly handsome, six-foot-whatever, jacked/shredded, and super-wealthy. I can't imagine raising another person's kids. The broken family situation is thoroughly unappealing to me, and I'd rather stay single. I don't blame childless women for avoiding men with children (though they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 11:41 PM
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Nope. Women seem to be concerned about wanting the best overall, and they often focus on how they're perceived by other people. I just want the best for me; if I can't get it, so be it. Of course, there are men who want "trophy wives." I've never been one of them. I don't even find most "trophy wives" attractive, as the Barbie look doesn't do shit for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:59 PM
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Much of the same that happens to most of us — mixed with some weird shit that God reserved for me. I've just always had a very low tolerance for BS in relationships, and it's only gotten lower over time. Imagine living with someone who showers you with nothing but love each day for years. You talk to each other for hours each day. And then imagine finding out that they secretly weren't even attracted to you (and they cheated on you). And then imagine that nobody else can ever provide a similar e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:18 PM
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IMO plenty of 25-40 YO women are physically attractive. The biggest issues for both older women and older men is the accumulation of baggage and a lack of self-care. That said, average men aren't told they deserve the most physically attractive woman. Average women are often told they deserve a man who ticks most of their boxes. Given that women naturally desire the top men (i.e., handsome, tall, virile, and wealthy), which sex actually thinks they're settling the most?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 11:25 AM
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Now? I'd prefer option 2 — mostly because I have a lot of baggage. Serious relationships are way too much work for me. At this point, they're less appealing than ever. I feel like I've already experienced the best they have to offer, and seeing my friends deal with nonsense from their option 1s wears me out mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:17 PM
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Not sure what you mean. As I stated, romantic love is a modern delusion IMO. My biggest regret in life is putting my ex fiance's wants and needs up there with my own. I see that as pure foolishness now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:35 PM
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Well, men aren't a hive mind, so there's that. Women can do as they wish. IMO our culture just needs to extinguish the modern delusion of romantic love. That's it. The rest would eventually take care of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:19 PM
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I think crazy women are usually the only ones who are willing to act on their attraction (or commit to a criminal). That said, I agree with you (and OP) about it being pointless to obsess over something like that. After a certain point, fit, sane single women without kids are rare — just like handsome, tall, wealthy single men eager to settle down with an average woman are rare. The most desirable LTR-oriented people on both sides tend to exit the dating pool early (and stay out). This can lead …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:15 PM
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Yeah, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:56 PM
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He's allowed to change his mind, though. And those body shots could've been a bit outdated for all we know. She could easily have no issues with dating, as she has beautiful features.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:11 PM
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Really, all you can do is accept that you're not in competition with women. Most of them are playing a different game. There will always be a long line of people eager to support them (while making excuses for their behavior) and tell you to figure out your life and STFU. Eventually, you may stop caring about it, and that's about as good as it's going to get. Bullying is never acceptable, and a person going out of their way to push someone towards the brink is despicable. However, IMO there's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 11:53 AM
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Ah, I see. That makes sense. You have your head screwed on straight, and you seem to be aware of a lot more than the average single woman in her 40s. In all likelihood, I'll be childless and single at 40 as well, and you have a much better chance at finding what you're looking for in the opposite sex than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:16 PM
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Well...unless you count being bitter as baggage. I do. I have plenty of baggage myself, so I'm not trying to be disrespectful. And your baggage is a lot easier to deal with. To be fair though, I suspect she meets most of these men through her AA meetings. She's been sober for 15 years now. She seems like a bigger risk-taker than you as well. Male or female, a risk-taker is going to get more opportunities (that are often more likely to lead to terrible outcomes, obviously). And at this point, she…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:14 PM
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I agree. However, plenty of promiscuous women are physically attractive. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying promiscuous women are more likely to be physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:49 PM
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Nah, don't be sorry. Specifically, what don't you understand? You seem to have higher standards than your friend, and a lot of men will put up with a lot just to get some. There are deadbeats and criminals who have like 10 kids with 10 different women. The average hard-working, law-abiding American dude is lucky to have 1.5 kids with one woman. My former best friend's short, chubby, lazy, and dumb younger brother has two kids with two different women, and he's now on his third marriage. I have n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:43 PM
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I'm not surprised at all. IMO almost all women can be as promiscuous as they wish, because many men have very low physical standards for short-term relationships (though they might regret it right after and want nothing to do with the woman again for a while — or forever). But that doesn't mean that physically unattractive women are the only ones who are promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:03 PM
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Men want nothing to do with them? Yeah, that's nonsense. Many promiscuous women are physically attractive. I can't imagine getting on my knees and proposing to one, but I don't hate them. Why the hell would I? I just don't want to make a financial and emotional investment in someone who goes through relationships with men like nothing. There's a lack of compatibility. I'm not emotionally attracted to someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:54 PM
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In the US, more than 80% of women 30-49 are in committed relationships. The majority of American women eventually come to terms with reality and settle for a guy who's under 6'0" instead of staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 08:39 PM
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Picked, no question. I'm down for waiting, though I doubt I'll keep my options open after 40 (7 years from now). I've already experienced being settled for. I don't want that for myself, and I don't want to do that to another person. IDGAF about being in a mediocre relationship, as I'd be the one pulling most of the weight. I'm 100% prepared to ride it out alone. I haven't been interested in romance since my last relationship, which ended 3 years ago, and I really can't imagine building a seriou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:07 AM
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As stated there, most other studies found the opposite to be true. So there seem to be plenty of women who do. Humans are jacked up. To me, it's interesting and makes sense. I think most women who are viscerally attracted to evil men just temper their desires IRL and let this shit play out in their fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 10:09 PM
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It's not his child. The man didn't consent to raising another man's child. I wouldn't cut a child out of my life (as long as I don't have to see or interact with the mother again), but I understand why another man would.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:42 PM
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If anything, you're the one repeating a chant. What part of my last post do you disagree with? You haven't made that clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 05:06 PM
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It's true for men too. As a man ages, he has access to fewer and fewer high-quality single women in his age group. Many of the highest-quality women are scooped up early, and the most loyal women tend to stay with their partners. What's left in the dating pool are a lot of women who can't sustain LTRs, single moms, and unattractive women. IMO most fit, beautiful people never have much of an issue finding high-quality partners who are willing to commit to them. But the vast majority of people in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 12:50 PM
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I don't know about their options staying exactly the same. Women always have endless options for short-term relationships (e.g., hookups, FWBs, unstable flings, etc.). After a certain point, though, the average single woman has much fewer solid options for long-term commitment because many of the tallest, best-looking, wealthiest, most loyal, and most socially savvy men are the first to exit the dating pool permanently. Plus, men (and women) on their second marriage are significantly more likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 11:15 AM
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How is having "negative feelings" towards a person due to their face any different than having "negative feelings" towards a person due to their race? Both are immutable characteristics. Insane is a strong word to use in response to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 11:16 PM
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A pat on the back from the bros. Yeah, and a fistful of graham crackers is going to satisfy a starving human being's hunger (or "obsession") for a warm, nutritious meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 08:11 PM
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Just because a woman is "really nice" doesn't mean she's not a toxic enabler with a shitty taste in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:28 PM
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She doesn't want to be seen with that. I wonder why.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:03 PM
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A lot of us already know women think like that. In the eyes of many women, men are nothing more than status objects. It is what it is. However, if a woman mismanaged her money and has shit credit, she's likely going to own a bum-ass car, regardless of the money she can muster up for a top-notch rental to flex in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:54 AM
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I really don't know why some women think that men have to explain their preferences in ways that they find acceptable. There are probably as many women who want tall men (or whatever). Some men don't care; some men care. Boo hoo. I don't sleep around outside of committed relationships, and the women who I'm capable of being emotionally attracted to don't either. I love women who are like me (similar values, similar view of relationships, similar lifestyles, similar intellectual interests, etc.) …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:12 AM
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Everything matters, including luck. Aside from the things you mentioned, standards plays a role as well. IME a lot of unattractive guys just take whatever they can get. They'll stomach poor treatment, an undesirable situation, and a dispassionate relationship just to get some occasional action. Some men are more focused on the long term and have a much lower tolerance for bullshit. Entering mediocre relationships that are bound for failure has never appealed to me, but I have an unattractive fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:15 AM
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Based on the histogram, the biggest differences seem to be between men and women who are below-average. Even the least attractive women can get plenty of attention (and play), so it makes sense to me why unattractive dudes would be more aware of their unattractiveness. Edit: I remember one study on online dating finding that more than half of the least desirable women sent messages to men in the medium-high and highest quintiles of desirability, and fewer than 10% of those women sent messages to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:31 AM
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Fair enough. I thought you were going to go another direction with it. Most of that doesn't apply to me, but I know I'm not getting what I want either. My ideal is a normal, sweet, childless woman (neither particularly assertive nor submissive, as I hate dealing with both types) with a job who's willing to go 50/50 and lives a fairly active lifestyle. She has baggage and is accepting of mine, and she's equally intelligent as I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:54 AM
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I've never given a shit about that, and most of my friends don't either. Whether or not another man wants a woman has always been irrelevant to me. However, a fit, sweet, intelligent woman without kids is desirable to a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:43 AM
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According to you, what's a top 10% woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:38 AM
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This is what I always wanted as well — just add in no kids from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 10:20 PM
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That's a waste of time IMO. Some dudes will still sleep with women who catfished them. However, if a dude shows up looking nothing like his profile pic, the woman will just move on with her hundreds (or thousands) of other matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 08:21 PM
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In the end the process of natural selection must unfold free from any kind of interference We humans built thriving societies by putting a damper on many of our "natural" instincts and separating ourselves from the dangers presented by our "natural" environment and predators. As long as men and women are forced (through coercion) to financially support the poor choices of other men and women, they should have a say. Being angry about any of this is dumb IMO, but when it comes to the average pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 04:44 PM
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People want to be around fun, energizing people. Very few people wish to be friends with someone who's going to ruin a good vibe. And nobody can know how awesome you are (or believe you are) unless you actually show them; the only thing they have to go off of is what you present to the world. But a lot of women (especially women on this website) clearly hate men — particularly unattractive, low-status, and weak men. Most of the time, it has very little to do with "dealing with a guy who didn't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:57 PM
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The worst and most insane thing she could say? Probably a threat to paint me as a horrible person in the eyes of people who love me (and threaten my freedom in the process), on some Gone Girl type shit. That would require her to be a super-savvy psychopath, so I wouldn't worry about that. Realistically, nothing would do much of a number on me. Nothing would surprise me; deep down, I assume the worst from almost everyone but a select few. If I ever choose to partner up again (given the ideal situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 04:03 AM
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It's a dumb joke and a demonstration of a complete lack of respect. I don't have any sympathy for the husband, though. He seems to lack self-respect. He likely drove with her to the game with that dumbass sign so she can hold it up for everyone to see. At least she's honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:29 AM
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Yeah, and I'll assume the kid is mine until evidence says otherwise. But I eventually want a confirmation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:02 PM
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I think dudes should be upfront about it as early as possible (without making things awkward, obviously). Set expectations from the gate; don't waste anyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:14 PM
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Like I said, if I'm having a kid with someone, I'm willing to deal with their baggage. I expect the same in return. I don't expect for her to go scorched Earth on me, especially since I'm always going to be very upfront about this from the beginning. And there's a big difference between someone who commits infidelity and someone who abuses kids. If I really wanted to, I could assume that she's doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:32 PM
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Honestly, deep down they probably just see you as a coward who's unwilling to be a "real man" in that moment. I'm not saying you're a coward overall, because we all have weak points, and I often experience the feeling you described ("disturb my peace as well as the peace of that girl").
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:59 PM
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I need to verify paternity ONCE. But in retaliation she needs to go through my personal belongings on the regular basis and accuse me of doing horrific, unforgivable crimes committed by irredeemable scumbags? Alright. And if he’s cheating the family has to spend money and time on his affair baby. Yeah, if he's cheating. Like I told Sharp, if I'm in a serious relationship that involves having children, it means that I'm willing to work around the woman's trauma and baggage. If she wants to check …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:47 PM
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What in the world is your point? Yeah, if it's literally my child then I'm literally going to raise and provide for my child. If it's literally not my kid, then I don't want anything to do with either of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:36 PM
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If I'm in a serious relationship with a woman (to the point where we're talking about having kids together) who dealt with infidelity in the past, I'm prepared to make sacrifices for her. Because I love her, I'm willing to deal with her baggage. Maybe she wants to check my devices every now and then. She can do it. I'll give her the passcode to my phone and laptop. But if she's not willing to see me as a vulnerable human being, that love is going to wane.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:32 PM
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Check it all. IDGAF. LOL. Then maybe I can go through all of her shit whenever I feel like it. I only need to check paternity once, but my "partner" can go through all of personal belongings each day if she wants to be a bitter, narcissistic, unhinged nutcase without a shred of empathy for men (especially men who've dealt with infidelity in the past). What's more important to me is that I'm actually raising and providing for my child — which is something she can guarantee without a test but I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:12 PM
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That woman wasn't loved for her body; unfortunately, her body was used to achieve a purpose. The dude didn't want to stick around or demonstrate that he loves her. The only thing he demonstrated was that he was sufficiently turned on by her body at that specific moment (and possibly never again — or occasionally). IMO love involves making significant sacrifices for the benefit of someone else over the long haul.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:06 PM
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I vet really well. I just ignore the one woman with countless red flags who shows genuine interest in me every couple of years. Doing this as a man will get you called picky (beggars can't be choosers, right?), but if you pursue a relationship with a woman while knowing that she's likely to become a huge problem, people will say you didn't vet well enough when everything goes to shit (and they'd be right), so who cares. However, I'm no handsome stud muffin. Some average dudes do chase some of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 04:59 PM
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Please seek help, brother. Never give up on yourself or humanity. First, there are plenty of exceptions; not all women want the top dog (and the women who do might not be appealing to you). Second, there's much more to life than being popular with women (I would know); good friends can show you that. I hope you realize how much potential for good you have. I can't help you love yourself, but I wish I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 04:08 AM
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Yeah, and I never said there were. In fact, I said the opposite from the beginning. Here are the first two paragraphs of my first comment in this thread (the one you initially responded to): If you're a dude who stays in great shape from 20 to 50, you'll stand out a lot more from your peers at 50 than at 20. The same goes for women. Most people let a lot of that time go to waste. Older women who are truly worth committing to are very rare as well. Over time, a lot of women lose the feminine trai…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:48 PM
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I'm specifically talking about men who take care of themselves. Lazy people with a lack of self-control, focus, and drive are going to struggle with age, as they can never get back the time they lost (and all of that abuse will take its toll on their bodies). But how does any sane individual think they're going to stand out if they're not putting in any effort to excel? And 30 is quite young IMO. I know a lot of fit people in their 30s who look like they're in their 20s, and I'm still hitting PR…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:24 PM
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If a guy has ED, he's likely a fatty with a shitty lifestyle. That might be average nowadays in the West, but it's not normal. A socially savvy 50 year old dude who's in great shape and has a good career can find a 30-something YO woman. I'm not saying young women are dying to be with average old guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:51 PM
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and if they stay in shape If you're a dude who stays in great shape from 20 to 50, you'll stand out a lot more from your peers at 50 than at 20. The same goes for women. Most people let a lot of that time go to waste. Most of the things that women are attracted to in men come with age. Certainly. Women (and people in general) are also attracted to experienced and socially savvy men. A lot of young men just don't possess the masculine traits that are attractive. Most women aren't drawn to shy, po…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:34 PM
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Many women trash men all the time. What's there to discuss? It's not nice, but it happens. That's life. And I don't think many dudes believe that older women can't get laid at any time. Pretty much any woman can get laid at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:11 PM
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That said, I do think that it's much easier for a young man to say he wants kids someday (maybe soon, maybe when he's 45). A woman has to worry about the toll pregnancy is going to take on her body (as well as the pain of child birth), especially now when she can watch thousands of examples online. Meanwhile, the average man just thinks about holding his child at the end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 03:07 PM
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