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media & cultural analysisEasternCut8716/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 12:23 PM
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Yes. My frustation with red pillers at the other end is sometimes not their critique, but lack of curiosity. It might be true that "Women often lie about X", but people often lie about things. What is interesting is where each sex tend to lie. Because, it is often a matter of shame, combined with feeling wrong either way. That is what makes people put on a different mask. And it is, ironically, feminism and the way shame is set up that can explain many of these things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 07:32 PM
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Thank you for that. I would suggest that academic feminism/sociology outlines how society functions and how it warps and shapes our perspectives. Often Reddit feminists think they are immune to these distortions but in are in fact as subject to them as anyone else. My immediate point is that academic feminism often predicts distortions in the self-understanding of ordinary women, whereas Reddit feminism often treats women's self-descriptions as direct reports of reality. It is general though. If…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 10:39 AM
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You are very modest, you make an excellent point. There is an overlap in sociology and feminism and where feminism does not overlap is sociology, it tends to be daft. Where I intend to point directly is that Reddit feminism should not devalue feminism as a whole, nor sociology as a whole. Reddit feminism often treats feminist theory as unnecessary because women are assumed to be direct reporters of reality. Academic feminism often starts from the opposite assumption: that people's self-understan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 06:19 PM
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Thank you very much for the kind and thoughtful reply. For me, this is where I distinguish between serious academic feminism and Reddit feminism. The gap is like sports science versus football fans. Serious sociology can explain gendered self-presentation quite well. Reddit feminism often just treats women’s self-description as objective reality. So yes, I agree we are both trying to assess the merits fairly, even if we weigh the frameworks differently.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 04:00 PM
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I would say that we can agree that it completely undermines Reddit feminism on domestic issues. But that is evidently absurd. Their idea of invisible labour involves pointing out visible labour and pretending that we would not see it. One of the great ironies I see is that more academic, socilogoical feminist thought explains much of what we and even red pillers find annoying. Academic, sociology feminism explains why these things happen, Reddit feminism denies they happen and pretends we all li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 04:16 AM
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The title was a rif on the essay, an apology for poetry. Because I started from the assumption that Reddit feminist claims about invisible labour, emotional labour, relationship expertise and female purity in mate choice were evidence against feminism. My point is that they may actually be evidence for one of feminism's central claims: that gender norms shape identity and self-presentation. That does not mean feminism is correct about everything. It means I think it may be correct about that. PS…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 04:04 AM
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You are still trying to turn this into a verdict on feminism rather than engaging with the observation. My point is much simpler. Feminism argues that gender norms shape identity and self-presentation. Therefore, if women systematically overstate feminine-coded virtues such as empathy, domestic competence and relationship expertise, that is exactly the sort of distortion the theory would predict. Whether feminism itself reinforces those distortions is a separate question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:50 AM
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Every time Imake a point about how people identify themselves, you turn it into a discussion about who benefits. Then pretend I did it. I write: De Beauvoir predicted pressure on women to present themselves as morally superior and less driven by ordinary desires. You respond Does that prove patriarchy? No, what i meant with "De Beauvoir predicted pressure on women to present themselves as morally superior and less driven by ordinary desires." was that "De Beauvoir predicted pressure on women to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:48 AM
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I am not arguing that misrepresenting reality is limited to women. I am arguing that misrepresentation is not random. Men also do this. Men overstate height, strength, competence, rationality, sexual success, sporting insight, etc, because those are socially rewarded masculine traits. My point is that women would be expected to do the same in socially rewarded feminine domains: empathy, nurturance, emotional intelligence, domestic competence and relationship skill. So yes, self-serving distortio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:38 AM
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Seriously, read the post, mate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:27 AM
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I am saying the thing I am say. Not the thing you are pretending. - Feminism says gender norms shape identity. - Many feminist women present themselves in ways that align remarkably closely with idealised femininity (self sacrifcing, domestic goddess, relationship expert). - That behaviour is consistent with the claim that gender norms shape identity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:26 AM
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Thank you, Sir.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:20 AM
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Hillary's advisers wanted her to emphasise motherhood and grandmotherhood because voters respond positively to those traits. That is evidence that nurturing is a culturally rewarded female identity. Yes. Exactly. That's my point. Reddit Feminists rightly hold Simone de Beauvoir in high esteem. Reddit feminists also generally argue that women are not that interested in how wealthy or tall men are, it is just something men get into their heads. Simone de Beauvoir argued that women are pressured to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:19 AM
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Just to follow up again. Reddit Feminists rightly hold Simone de Beauvoir in high esteem. Reddit feminists also generally argue that women are not that interested in how wealthy or tall men are, it is just something men get into their heads. Simone de Beauvoir argued that women are pressured to identify as not have the same base and shallow desires and preferences as men, despite them absolutely having them. Simone de Beauvoir is vindicated in all this by the reddit feminists being so wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:13 AM
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Yes, I might take that first line and add it to the post! Thanks "Inflates" perhaps suggests some deliverate fibbing. I think most 180cm who say they are 6' tall really believe it. But this is just a quibble about words, perhaps interprets, remembers, emphasises?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:04 AM
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I am roughly arguing "If society rewards women for appearing nurturing, emotionally intelligent and domestically competent, then we should expect systematic self-enhancement in those domains." That is testable. Or at least observable. You can ask whether women systematically rate themselves higher than objective measures justify in these domains? Do women exaggerate these traits more than men do? Does the exaggeration vary across cultures with different gender norms (having live din a few nation…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:02 AM
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I have made a TLDR to make it easier for you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 02:55 AM
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The point of the post is that people are terrible at accurately describing the world around them specifically because they are doing so only through their point of view. And that point of view is dependent on how they identify as. Many feminist women who could not boil water will be upset that they are making home.made food from scratch for their ungrateful husband because of this; Which is what a feminist reading would actually predict.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 02:52 AM
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I would say that that absolutely happens. Essentially, they are reinforcing the idea that they are super empathetic, caring and domestic goddesses, despite their men being selfish and insensitive. Which is exactly my argument. While care, empathy and domestic work is gendered female, you would expect women to tend to do identify as excelling in this regardless of reality. Just as many men will rather enjoy overstating their sporting expertise (Monday Morning Quaterbacks tend to be men). My argum…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 02:47 AM
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I confess, I am a little surprised. Forgive me, I am less impressive and British. I really did have women throwing themselves at me in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:10 PM
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Most mainstream relationship advice is like boomer career advice. Sort yourself out, be smart and interested, be fit, healthy kind, pull more than your share and...well actually nothing normally. You will be nothing special. Which means that Red Pill can step in as it does point more accurately to what most men experience (women will not be impressed that you cook and clean obviously and will be wary of you by default). Where it fails is that it does nothing to expalin why these people react and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:09 AM
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I would suggest that Red Pill does a good job what happens. Feminism does a good job of explaining why. Meanshile, red pill has no interest in why it is like that and feminism explains why but denies it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:06 AM
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I think there is a problem that much of feminism is really patriarchal. The little success I have had when talking lads back who have are going a little red pill involves acknowledging that many of the things they see are real. The manflu thing is nonsense and women are likely to be annoyed at their man being ill. Women really will find you less attractive if you are poor, will massively exaggerate how much they do around the house, and women will lie to themselves and others about these things …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:05 AM
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He was talking man to man and justifying that feminism has a valid battle to take. Part of that suggesting that much of the sexism he encounters will be invisible to him, i.e. that people's presumptions affect what they see. By citing an example with women he was showing that this is not a male female issue or that he is blind because he is a man, but that we all have how we see things affected. In the example, he cited that British women will not perceive British men being polite (in this examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:18 PM
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He said they see it one way. They do see it one way. How can you not get this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:37 PM
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They are saying their perspective is exactly what he says their perspective is. You lot are just missing something very simple. I am from a very similar background to OP and have seen similar difference in perspective. Neither of us are saying what definately happens, merely that people will see it differently. Then you get a rabble of posts clearly thinking that it is outrageous to think people could see it otherwise. PS: And now I see you username. I should not have bothered with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:22 PM
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So he says women from the UK say this is not happening. And you as a woman from the UK say it is not happening and this proves him wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:14 AM
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So he says women from the UK say this is not happening. And you as a woman from the UK say it is not happening and this proves him wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:14 AM
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Yes, obviously. Some people are better than others, largely because of how bothered or nto they are. CLearly, sex is not intrinscially connected to that. I am from a generation in the UK where about 50% of men or women can cook reasonably, and I am pretty such that would apply to much of the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 12:40 PM
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It is the presumption behind making errors that is the very point of the OP. The first line addresses this, you should read it. It does happen occasionally. Clearly, that is abusive. Cleaning up etc is not hard. Typically, the accusation is when there is an occasional dumb mistake rather than a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 04:26 PM
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Have you never made an error? Has your wife never made an error?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 04:01 PM
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Yes. But we accept that some women can cook and some cannot. Some are good at cleaning, sometimes the man cooks, sometimes the woman. I write from western Europe, I do not think these things are gendered. The grocery shopping is not a sex specific job, we accept women making mistakes and thye would not be accused of weaponised incompentence surely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:59 PM
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Yes. I am sure it does happen as originally meant. BUt most men will encounter as an accusation of abuse for things that would just be dumb errors from women. We accept many woman cannot cook and do not consider that abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:56 PM
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I (m) am writing from western Europe but it has been a long time since we thought women were inherently better than men at cooking. As a young man, women would be annoyed that I could not do something easily that I struggled with. There as ingrained sexism in there that the women themselves could not see.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:55 PM
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The interesting point is the sexist presumption that the man is doing it deliberately and really is capable whereas the woman is just thick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:53 PM
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Seriously. Read the first line. Assuming a woman is genuinely thick and useless whereas a man must be faking it is clearly sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:52 PM
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What? Seriously? It is calling out sexism. Plates sideways, cups down etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:50 PM
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You are deliberately being dumb. Or you are dumb. If I decide that a woman would be genuinely duimb whereas a man would just be pretending, that is sexism. Your points were addressed in the first line of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:49 PM
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I have been accused of it twice. Once was genuinely dumb when I was exhaused and the other was nothing to do with me. When I was young, I had women come up to me to do something that they struggled with and be angry when I struggled with it. There was sexism there, they expected the man to be more capable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:47 PM
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The OP referred to all that in the first line. All you descirbe is not going to be associated with either sex. But we would think a woman was just thick whereas a man is being malicious. That does reveal sexist presumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:45 PM
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