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36	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter?	Discussion	EcstaticAssignment	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 10:10 AM

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1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? horrible history of cultural bias There are many developed statistical methods to measure the cultural loading of psychometric tests. are tests created by people Of course they're created by people. The driver's license is also created by people. Medical degrees are created by people too. As such if you know the kind of strategies that are being tested for you can apply them to any given IQ test and pump up your score on them. Yes, the practice effect has been pretty well studied - retests impac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 07:08 PM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? IQ is a very well validated psychometric construct with 100+ years of consistently replicated research backing it. It's actually one of the few areas of social science that tends to consistently pass replication. When you say that it's "literal nonsense", do you mean that you don't accept the research (?), or more that it shouldn't matter in terms of relationships or some other value metric?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 09:03 AM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Intelligence and leadership are not really that closely linked. That's quite a strange take lol A major factor of leadership involves making decisions based on processing and understanding information of variable complexity. That is obviously going to be fairly g-loaded. It's not a 1-1 mapping, but neither is gender to leadership ability, which is the point. When boys are growing up, the lessons they must learn in order to succeed in life tend towards teaching leadership skills. Not only this, b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 01:06 AM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? The subtle irony of using this to critique the red pill is somewhat intentional yeah	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 01:02 AM
2	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? If he is in a dangerous situation and one agent shouts "duck down" at him, im beting he is not going to argue with him If you're talking about the specific situation of a physical emergency, then sure. Outside of those specific emergency situations, the president doesn't "submit" to his bodyguards just because sometimes they protect him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 08:39 PM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? When certain people call on IQ in a discussion I’m intrigued, because it seems to go against many of their other cultural narratives! What do you mean? It would be an even more narcissistic and disgusting world if we strictly operated on what material, coercive, domination-driven assets can a person provide for us. The question I'm asking is in the context of someone who buys into the "men should be leaders" red pill premise. Not sure if you are talking about that or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 08:38 PM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Did you read the OP? This is a question about how a premise of the red pill movement about men being the leaders holds up against an edge case. The implied/leading conclusion is that categorically labeling men as leaders and women as followers doesn't hold up in every case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 09:52 AM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? From the OP: While intelligence isn't the end-all-be-all (nor is gender...), the predictive power of IQ in decision making ability is dramatically greater than that of gender (or basically any other single measurable trait).	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 09:50 AM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? 145 is higher than the 99th actually, but while that extreme divergence is rare, a modest one is still common (if not the majority of cases). she will still expect protection from men I mean, in the modern world this is a bit of a petty point tbh. On a day to day level you don't really encounter this in most parts of the first world. It's also pretty loosely tied to leadership; does the President submit to his secret service agents?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 12:25 AM
2	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? I don't think so; there are quite a few statistical methods that are used to minimize the effects of biases such as these. And men don't outperform women on all IQ tests anyway, at least not at the median.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 12:22 AM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Women do not give two shits about IQ while in the initial stages of dating. Most women care about traits like charisma and SES that happen to correlate with IQ. Hence, assortative mating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 12:21 AM
3	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Right, but there may not be any expectation that he act as the "leader", which was the point of the OP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 12:18 AM
3	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? In the modern age, higher earning doesn't necessarily correspond to masculine traits. A lot of these high earning men were the nerds in their schools. In terms of traditionally masculine traits like physical dominance, assertiveness, etc, the selection for them is weaker (even if most of them still do have some selection). In the case of selection for money there may be a persistence, but it's going to be weaker. It's also I think a little more subtle than wanting a man who is a provider; some o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 12:16 AM
2	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Decisions are taken by hierarchical order This is a walking satire of a textbook circular argument. We are talking about what the conditions should be for setting the hierarchy in the first place; your only point was to vaguely say that it's better if men are in charge. I even overlooked your lack of precise details to point out that this doesn't make sense on a statistical level because there's no way that the two distributions of billions of men vs. women have no overlap. Your response now is:…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 12:06 AM
3	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? then she already approved of his leadership Not if it's not that kind of red pill leader-follower relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 11:51 PM
5	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Does gender?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 07:54 PM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Yeah I think there's a difference between those more aesthetic/ritualistic forms of taking charge and the more manosphere "has decision making authority" form	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 07:54 PM
3	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? but first it's because it's the dynamics that works better on the long term. The key point here is that even if this were true on average, the idea that there's a perfect bifurcation where all 3.5 billion men are better leaders than all 3.5 billion women gets preposterous. In the OP's scenario, the typical 145 IQ female is going to be better at making most decisions than the typical 110 IQ male. You can respond by saying that IQ isn't everything, but neither is gender. Both are variables that fa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 06:58 PM
1	I think the biggest problem in dating is that women are simply not honest about what they are attracted to, and despite the fact that men have learned this they are simply told: “so you’re going to tell an actual woman what she wants?” When men say never take dating advice from women. You literally just accused someone else in this post of using an ad hominem dude: Actually I have plenty of success with women, nice attempt at a cheap ad hominem though. Your capacity for inadvertent irony is literally something you see on The Simpsons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 06:12 PM
5	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Just because he decides in the end Why should he decide in the end? If you had a smart employee and a dumb employee, would you give all the decision making power to the dumb one and then go "well, the smart one can still convince him"? Should Bill Gates have delegated his CEO duties at Microsoft to a local high testosterone alpha male (cue Ballmer joke) and then just sat on the side and tried to convince him of things? Preemptive rebuttal: like yes, intelligence isn't the only variable in dictat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 06:10 PM
2	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? From OP: (Note: I'm not commenting on the frequency of this scenario; many would argue that the man is more likely to be smarter due to the dating down vs. dating up split and other selection factors, but that's beside the point)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 05:55 PM
2	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Those men usually mean dominant in bed. Nah, not the core red pillers. They will extend this claim way beyond a proto-BDSM thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 05:54 PM
1	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? Read the OP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 05:52 PM
2	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? When we play this dating game we are knowingly or unknowingly doing this multi-varied comparison in our heads the entire time. Likewise for a metric like leadership ability, where the relative weight of something like gender is going to be way weaker than a host of other variables like intelligence (including academic proxies), personality traits, life experiences, etc. I'm not even saying it's not a variable at all - it's just that red pill acts like "men should be the leaders" is some smoking …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 05:51 PM
19	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? If intelligence alone doesn't do it, neither does gender. Neither is absolute but "intelligent people make good leaders" is still a much stronger approximation than "men make good leaders".	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 05:48 PM
9	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? You can still see the imprints of traditional male role preferences among the more "educated elite" female crowd, but it's significantly weaker IMHO. A lot of the red pill behavioral advice that, to a debatable degree, would work on the average person would get you borderline ostracized in other circles, and doing feminine things as a man is (relatively) easier to get away with if everyone around you is educated. Granted some of this might just be a tendency to social liberalism among those grou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 11:34 AM
1	I think the biggest problem in dating is that women are simply not honest about what they are attracted to, and despite the fact that men have learned this they are simply told: “so you’re going to tell an actual woman what she wants?” When men say never take dating advice from women. the complete opposite is true I think this is quite the exaggeration lol. We can debate the exact calibration of "nice" vs. "bad boy" traits that you need, but if it was just about being a prick, the dating market as we see it wouldn't make any sense. Do you really think incels are just men who are too kind and noble to be mean to women, and that if they were just willing to shed their inner Ned Stark they'd be balling? If the variable was that linear, everyone with even a bit of moral looseness…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 11:29 AM
1	I think the biggest problem in dating is that women are simply not honest about what they are attracted to, and despite the fact that men have learned this they are simply told: “so you’re going to tell an actual woman what she wants?” When men say never take dating advice from women. Wait - so you're agreeing with the statement "that goes for friendships as well including with men"? Then this isn't even specifically about women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 11:19 AM
2	I think the biggest problem in dating is that women are simply not honest about what they are attracted to, and despite the fact that men have learned this they are simply told: “so you’re going to tell an actual woman what she wants?” When men say never take dating advice from women. Where are the studies you were using in contrast lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 11:15 AM
6	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? He also may be more smart in other areas than the girl with iq 145. Sure, but if you were to plot leadership ability and compare the cluster of 145 IQ vs. 110 IQ and then men vs. women, the former is going to have a way way larger gap. You can say this OP is a specific way of asking "isn't using this single binary variable to talk about who is better suited for what a little imprecise?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 11:11 AM
14	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? 145 vs. 110 is a bit extreme (though still definitely possible), but I've definitely seen a non-trivial number of cases where the woman is more academically gifted. It's probably less common than the other way around, but funnily enough given that as you go far along the distribution the frequency drops a ton, at some point you're more likely to date someone dumber than you just by availability. Granted - and I don't intend to say this as a cheap gotcha, but it frankly is true that most women (a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 11:08 AM
7	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? If she's just book smarter, then l literally don't care since you can still play the leadership role Is this leadership role model because you think men are practically better leaders, or is it more of a personal preference / vibe thing? The former is the interpretation that I find strange. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that the male population on average is better at leadership, this offset is going to be modest at best and not even close to the most predictive variable compared to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 10:51 AM
5	Question for red pillers: what if the woman is much smarter? From OP: (Note: I'm not commenting on the frequency of this scenario; many would argue that the man is more likely to be smarter due to the dating down vs. dating up split and other selection factors, but that's beside the point)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 10:28 AM
1	Do Fresh and Fit bring women on the show to actually discuss dating topics or are they trying to embarrass them or something else? Dude did you seriously miss the point being made lol The point is about biased sampling, it's not an accusation of coercion of guests. It's like if someone points out that a research paper that tries to look at the average height of Americans by only surveying basketball players wasn't representative, and you respond by saying that the basketball players weren't forced to be there. You legitimately are saying "2 + 2 = bananas", aka are completely incoherent and don't grasp the most basic ideas a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/23 11:41 AM