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| 11 | Why is there is not a MaleAdvocates subreddit? why the only MaleAdvocates subreddit has "LeftWing" in it?Unfortunately I think for a lot of these people it's the identitarian politics or "woke stuff" that's most visible right now and tends to call itself left-wing. Frankly I think a lot of that really isn't even left and it does a terrible disservice to real leftist projects by turning people off from the idea of "the left," as OP demonstrates. I think feminism, for example, can quite reasonably be argued to be more right-wing than left-wing, just a very different formulation than what's popularly … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/24 10:46 PM |
| 1 | A potential response from feminists when the misandry perpetrated by feminists is called outI almost take the opposite track. I say, "if I as a communist have to reckon with the flaws in Soviet or Chinese socialism then why do you get to just write off feminist ideas you don't like? If we care about an idea we ought to see how even people who wanted the same things we did went wrong both to stop from making those mistakes again and to see what sort of ideological pitfalls might lead someone who feels exactly like we do now to those positions we don't want to endorse." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 09:24 AM |
| 2 | I fully, 100%, believe in a woman's right to choose. I also believe in a man's right to choose. Why is this a crazy take?He should be able to opt out for as long as she's eligible to get an abortion. Even if she gives birth she still has options if she doesn't want to keep the baby like adoption or surrender, but I think that's a fair window of time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 03:05 AM |
| 15 | Why I can’t call myself a feministIt just goes to show that people who have been victimized don’t become incorruptible paragons of virtue because of it. Women are just as susceptible as men when it comes to the allure of abusing one’s power. No wonder liberal feminists and the Israeli government have lined up so much lately. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 02:23 AM |
| 141 | Why I can’t call myself a feministTop comment: It's not really about appearance or professional or academic success. The bar is in hell because women are looking for men who don't endanger their life, well-being, and sanity (edit to add: and many women can't find that). They're just totally detached from reality. Or they're knowingly and deliberately lying to each other and the world. Not sure which is more disturbing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 01:15 AM |
| 1 | How do we politely debunk the feminist rhetoric that everything is marketed, tailored and geared towards male consumers?I know nothing about J D Vance except that he (apparently? allegedly?) fucked a couch. The guy just came out of nowhere from my perspective a few weeks ago and as a potential Trump running mate I'm sure he's a piece of shit, but that's been a dominant meme all over the internet to the point it's basically the only thing I know about him. Setting aside if it's true or what kind of person he is, just try to imagine the reverse being the most prominent thing virally spreading about a woman. Imagine… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 11:31 PM |
| 1 | What do you want?God, that's a hard ask. VERY generally, I guess... Some kind of cybernetic communism. Ecologically sustainable production rather than endless growth would be the goal. Consumption and accumulation would no longer be the carrot together with destitution as the stick driving people to work. Communities would be more locally oriented and self-sustaining wherever possible with regional and global cybernetic systems allowing larger scale trade and cooperation to take place. We'd own less, but have mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 09:46 PM |
| -1 | The male gender role of being the stoic rock in a romantic relationship is the most pronounced example of emotional labour that exists in life, and those who believe women do more emotional labour on average are either lying or ignorant.Responding to structural and interpersonal asymmetries of emotional labor could well involve supplementing or better cultivating this aspect of male socialization rather than discarding it. I'm sorry, is their point that stereotypical male stoicism is not only good but that we should be trying to FURTHER reinforce it?? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 08:30 AM |
| 2 | The Pay Equity Gap relative to Predominantly Male and Female OccupationsI don't think most of them are "seeking a post-capitalist system." At best SOME of them pay lip service to it but they couldn't even tell you the difference between surplus value and profit. I had a discussion here about a week ago on this very topic so I don't really feel like rewriting all of that, but suffice it to say I do think they have more of a liberal conception of the world than what I'd consider leftist. Also "UBI combined with a market framework" is literally the idea Milton Friedman… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 12:26 AM |
| 2 | The Pay Equity Gap relative to Predominantly Male and Female OccupationsI know what you mean, and I tend to view it more as there just not really being much of a "left" in places like the US. What gets called "the left" is mostly made up of identitarian liberals who are more interested in shifting around who wins under capitalism based on some theory of identity-based privilege than in changing the game that produces so much inequality. I don't really identify with them either. But as I see it they're the ones who aren't leftists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 11:33 PM |
| 6 | "But more women are killed or seriously injured by male partners!"That all sounds fine to me. Better than fine, actually. It sounds like it would make the world better. But I'm at a bit of a loss right now as to how to make it happen because frankly most women seem allergic to the idea of admitting their own problematic attitudes and behaviors, much less policing themselves and each other for the sake of men. I'd very much like to see it happen, but I'm not sure how to get it going. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 02:53 AM |
| 24 | The Pay Equity Gap relative to Predominantly Male and Female OccupationsCapitalism cares about profitability, not social utility, so professions like education are less well-paid than something like programming. Despite efforts to remove gender barriers to certain career paths, there's still a cultural expectation for men to at least be capable of acting as providers and men's social value is much more contingent on their economic value than women's, so men are more inclined towards jobs which they may not find satisfying but which are well compensated. I've persona… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 02:02 AM |
| 2 | Israel/Palestine: Ignoring Male Sexual Assault Victims to Ensure Support for Israel4) in this particular context, sexual violence against women and girls is being used to justify Israeli military action in Gaza and is being investigated by the ICC This needs to be getting MUCH more attention. Liberal feminism is being used as the new primary justification for neo-imperial and neo-colonial (or in Israel's case, just straight up settler colonial) actions by Western powers. It's used to justify prejudice and argue for laws against immigrants in places like France despite the hist… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 12:34 AM |
| 8 | "But more women are killed or seriously injured by male partners!"You have moral obligations to people that scale with your capacity to hurt them. In that case we ought to put just as much extra emphasis on the wrongness of women emotionally abusing men since they have a much greater demonstrated capacity to do so and men have a much harder demonstrated time trying to, for example, replace an abusive or neglectful partner. I'm willing to entertain the idea that we ought to consider inherent gender/sex differences when judging bad behavior the way you want to w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?I generally agree, but in an argument that won't do much. Whoever's on the other side holds their position not because they were dispassionately combing through statistics and obscure journal articles and from that ultimately built a worldview. They started with a worldview and the justifications came afterwards. We all do this to some extent so it's a truth worth introspecting about and not just trying to weaponize, but in an argument the real point they want to make isn't in some stat they pul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 09:26 AM |
| 6 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?I absolutely hate talking about stats or citing "papers" as they pop up in online discourse. It feels to me like just a 21st-century version of citing scripture. Everyone can find something to support whatever point they already wanted to make and dismiss anyone else as biased or understanding it wrong. It's just exhausting and never goes anywhere or gets at the most important point of why people are taking the positions they're taking to begin with. It never starts at "statistics" or some rando… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 06:35 AM |
| 8 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?This is basically everything I was going to say. The way these kinds of people take an extremely uncommon scenario and hyper-focus on it to downplay or outright ignore any other issues regardless of how harmful or widespread they might be is one of my biggest pet peeves with disingenuous feminist discourse. Thanks for saving me a few minutes of frustrated typing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?Man that citation just reads like some conservative, selection-biased nonsense. Read some David Graeber at the very least. What comes to be popular or outcompetes other strategies to grow isn't necessarily some ontological universal. Also you're an insulting jackass for no reason so I'm done responding to you. I'll just say if you're this much of a defeatist, why are you even here? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/24 08:59 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?Is it a "human constant?" Or is male disposability and the enforcement of damaging norms on them the effective constant? And if it's the latter, well, women not holding overt positions of hard power had been nearly a universal constant across cultures for all of recorded history until the last half century or so but we changed that. If that constant can change, the way men are treated can change too. It's a question of collective will, not possibility. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/24 08:20 PM |
| 31 | I'm really confused about MensLib take here.The problem is most of the feminists pushing that don't actually care about the source of those stigmas. They just treat it as men being too fragile or homophobic or emotionally repressed or whatever else to be open and so their idea of a solution is to tell men, in no uncertain terms, to "man up" and get over it. What they don't do is acknowledge and challenge how social norms are enforced on men, quite often and sometimes even primarily by women, which compels men to act, dress, speak, etc. a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/24 08:30 PM |
| 86 | I'm really confused about MensLib take here.You're completely right. This is a good post and the tyrannical mods there hate it because it offers a genuine and good-faith criticism of feminist praxis. They can't have that for the same reason the Catholic Church couldn't tolerate Galileo. For what it's worth, what you're talking about sounds like gender abolitionism which is a label I'm comfortable identifying with far more than feminism precisely because any time I've seen your criticism brought up, feminists react exactly like the mods on… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/24 06:28 PM |
| 8 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?Don't be a pussy and fix yourself, fuck!!! Yeah you're not gonna have much luck here shaming men along traditional "masculine" lines to pressure them into agreeing with you. And if you're supposed to be the example of someone well-adjusted after subjecting themself to therapy, I think you're doing a great job pushing people in the opposite direction. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/24 09:37 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?The male suicide rate in the UK is more than triple the female suicide rate. So even there the gap still exists. In 2022, the suicide rates for males (16.4 deaths per 100,000) and females (5.4 per 100,000) were consistent with rates between 2018 and 2021. But I agree with some others that a person like this absolutely doesn't care about men. She's looking for an excuse to individualize a clear social problem and make it all the fault of lazy, incompetent men rather than anything cultural. She's … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/24 06:44 PM |
| 19 | Subsidy to all female students by charity, a gender discrimination?On paper. Of course in reality they can do it for literally any other reason no matter how stupid so as long as they don't write down, "I'm hiring/firing this person over their race or gender," they can totally do just that and if anyone asks say, "uhhhhh, I just liked/disliked their haircut," and be legally in the clear. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 09:38 PM |
| 67 | Subsidy to all female students by charity, a gender discrimination?It's totally discriminatory, though I suspect it would be legal in my country, and it reflects the problem with letting private individuals amass huge amounts of wealth and control it as they desire. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 09:04 PM |
| 3 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Yeah I try to be sympathetic when I suspect that's the case. Lord knows I'm surely putting out hostility based on my past despite my best efforts sometimes. But when it comes from a deeply privileged person complaining about things they only know to complain about thanks to social media, I lose a lot of my patience. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 08:47 AM |
| 1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?I am in the US, I just find the colloquial use of the word here less than useful. And I still think most of these people conceptualize what they're doing in a liberal sense. They DO see themselves as standing up for freedom of diversity of perspectives and the right to self-expression. They just believe that certain categories of people who can be identified with identitarian labels are either silencing other perspectives or being silenced themselves. They view what they're doing as bringing equ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 06:25 AM |
| 1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?and the only way to clarify that you're NOT into identity politics if you're on the left is to call yourself liberal. Not true at all. I'm a communist. I'd argue identifying as a liberal puts you firmly outside the left. There's a reason the liberal party pretty much everywhere besides the US means the staunch supporters of capitalism with maybe a few guardrails. And they're generally seen as firmly "center-right." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 04:33 AM |
| 7 | Has something drastic happened to Menslib?Feminism has concepts for harmful beliefs about men and why they're perpetuated. It has concepts for how difficult it is for men to adhere to masculine standards. Why disregard those things? Because the vast, vast majority of people who identify as feminists don't even go far enough into the literature to get to the half decent takes like those of bell hooks and just use feminism as an ideological justification for the prejudice that started them looking for intellectual validation in the first … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 02:18 AM |
| 1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Plenty of vile racists are ok with black cops too. They see those men as exceptions. As "one of the good ones." Of course they're still subject to be stripped of that designation as soon as they step out of line. Trans women, in their eyes, are men who are deliberately trying to hide their nature to get access to vulnerable victims ("real" women). Just because TERFs are willing to make use of certain men to advance their cause doesn't make them not misandristic. The same way that racists being w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 01:58 AM |
| 4 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?I would say focusing on making prisons less violent hellscapes would be a better solution but I get your point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 01:02 AM |
| 4 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Some of the most even-handed, open-minded people and some of the most vicious sexists I've encountered have been trans people. It feels almost like what I've seen from people who've experienced significant traumas. Some turn into empathetic angels and others turn into selfish monsters. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 01:00 AM |
| -1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Rabid identity politics weirdos are usually liberals, not leftists. If anything it proves fishhook theory better than that horseshoe theory crap. Edit: by "liberal" I mean they support some version of the liberal capitalist status quo with accomodations and tweaks based on particular identitarian conceptions of privilege added on. They're the types of people to tell you the most important thing in the world you can do as an activist is voting for Democrats and who are generally scared of the wor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 12:33 AM |
| 4 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Maybe it's different in the UK? In the US, TERF is much more of a straight-up insult and the only outlets that platform them tend to be explicitly right-wing. The mainstream liberal sources all seem pretty much on board with trans people. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 11:13 PM |
| 9 | The Apex fallacy is definitely another paradox that put men into a double bind.This is exactly it. For how much feminist theory cribs from psychoanalysis, so many feminists seem completely oblivious to ideas like the unconscious or desire. Except when they're weaponizing them against men, of course. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 09:04 PM |
| 11 | The Apex fallacy is definitely another paradox that put men into a double bind.And even if you use all the "right" language, calling it patriarchal norms or whatever, they still hate, hate, HATE when you point this out, either denying it's true or just insisting men shouldn't care. It really goes to show that for the VAST majority of so-called feminists, they don't care about repressive systems or gender equality or anything like that. They're identitarian bigots who'll say and do whatever they need to in the moment to elevate their particular in-group at the expense of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Victim blaming male suicideIntent is what matters to me. But that's going to include unconscious motivation so it's impossible to directly measure let alone quantify. The best you can do is measure proxies like success. Of course that still leaves room for interpretation but I think intent to kill oneself is one of if not the most compelling explanations for why certain people are more or less likely to succeed. And I don't think it's necessarily a binary. There's a whole gradient of less to more intention to succeed whic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 10:03 AM |
| 32 | Victim blaming male suicideYou can always tell something is bullshit when multiple discrete logical steps are being employed to describe the behavior of a cohort in the thousands of individuals. People don't act in a narrative kind of way. They just don't, not on that scale. I've seen that narrative offered up more times than I can count. I'm not just pulling steps out of my ass. This is the line of reasoning many people trying to downplay male suicide or paint it in a way that makes those men somehow problematic follow. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 07:58 AM |
| 84 | Victim blaming male suicideThe worst, in my opinion, is the oft-repeated line about men choosing "more violent" ways to kill themselves which is used to both paint men as uncaring and self-centered because women ostensibly care more about who might find their bodies and to downplay the undeniable fact that men commit the vast majority of successful suicides as nothing but a consequence of "male" impulsiveness and violence. Of course the suggestion that men might follow through successfully with suicide more often because … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 06:31 AM |
| 2 | One of the most glaring Feminist contradictionsNo, they blocked you | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/24 05:07 AM |
| 8 | The ‘doing __ aggressively to see my husband’s reaction’ trendAnd quite ironically given their claims to the contrary, it only works because of how much men generally want to do right by women and help with their problems. If they didn't, shaming them by calling them "part of the problem" wouldn't do anything. Imagine (or just look at examples of) men trying to do the same to women. It's generally much less effective because women tend to hate or just not care about men far more than men hate or don't care about women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 09:17 AM |
| 7 | The Left has failed Men ... I guess | F.D. SignifierGod, he sounds like the epitome of an identitarian liberal who just has the worst takes on every possible issue. Replacing economic justice with some twisted hierarchy based on identity labels. I honestly find those kinds of people more frustrating than out-and-out right wingers. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 04:27 AM |
| 2 | We shouldn't have a unattractive men vs attractive men mentality.It'd be really silly, huh? Well then alright, I guess when we hear from billionaires how exhausting and alienating and stressful their lives are we just have to accept that. And so when the time comes to make policy decisions that either help working people at the expense of billionaires or vice versa, no one can claim there's any way to socially prioritize those positions so we end up in a stalemate and nothing can change. Brilliant. Also suffering is absolutely subjective. You might be able to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/24 12:45 AM |
| 2 | We shouldn't have a unattractive men vs attractive men mentality.I mean, I'm sympathetic to this argument to an extent, but also I could use this exact same logic to say maybe Jeff Bezos really DOES have a harder life than a sweatshop worker in Bangladesh making cheap garbage for someone else to sell in Amazon. After all, suffering is subjective so who's to say who really has it worse? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 05:41 PM |
| 14 | We shouldn't have a unattractive men vs attractive men mentality.That is a natural outcome when you have a totally unrestrained market. Free market economics leads to wealth inequality, free market sexuality leads to attention inequality. If anything I'd argue the latter has a more drastic effect because most people at least concede that everyone has basic economic needs that have to be met but most won't consider the same when it comes to desire. Now I don't think that means we should start regulating or socializing sexuality the way I think we should with t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 05:35 PM |
| 3 | Is the empathy gap genetic?Happy to. You as well! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 06:40 AM |
| 8 | Is the empathy gap genetic?David Graeber. Some of the things they mentioned he directly talks about in some of his books like The Dawn of Everything or Debt: The First 5000 Years. There are things to quibble with in his (very, VERY long) books, as will almost inevitably be the case, but they're absolutely worth reading. I consider Graeber something like the equivalent foil to social Darwinist anthropology that someone like Robert Sapolsky is to the most base, pessimistic, deterministic kind of evolutionary biology and psy… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 06:34 AM |
| 6 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?It's literally just ableist prejudice which tells you nothing about a person's character or what kind of long-term partner they'd be, but rather than acknowledge and confront that, they just label it an "ick" and let it persist unexamined. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 09:30 AM |
| 8 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?Everyone constructs their personalities in order to fit in with others. Some more consciously, some less. The only exceptions tend to be social pariahs and maybe even literally pathologized. This is why children exhibit all sorts of behaviors and attitudes that get significantly pruned by the time most become adults. It's why people tend to adopt the customs of the culture they exist under rather than there being some genetic predisposition towards formality among Japanese people or boisterousne… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 11:15 PM |
| 1 | The growing popularity of right wing ideals is scaring me as a man.I mean, I don't like any of this either but that's hardly different from what the contemporary "left" demands of men either. They occasionally pay lip service to the contrary but not much more than that. "Conservative" represents traditional gender roles which were rigid and restrictive for everyone but did each involve advantages and disadvantages. The liberal feminist "left" is largely about abolishing the advantages of the traditional male role yet maintaining its expectations and responsibil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 11:06 PM |
| 5 | “Large psychology study debunks stereotype of feminists as man-haters” - ”The Misandry Myth: An Inaccurate Stereotype About Feminists’ Attitudes Toward Men”And setting aside questions about how exactly they define misandry based on the questions asked and the validity of self-reported data on beliefs, that could easily just reflect how pervasive misandry is and serve as evidence that we live in a gynocentric society. I'd be willing to bet they caught a lot of right-wing people in the "non-feminist" group who have ideas about men being dangerous and women being these fragie creatures in need of protection which is quite a different angle to come at … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 05:55 PM |
| 5 | My Thorough issue with Menslibthere are not a lot of left wing but male advocating spaces and I think r/menslib gets a lot of well meaning people like yourself go through a churn where they try to make it work because the potential is there, only to find the overcorrection and dogma stifling This is exactly how I ended up there only to get banned for pointing out the similarity between certain feminist rhetoric regarding men and racist rhetoric about black people. So now here I am. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 04:33 AM |
| 6 | My Thorough issue with MenslibNot just in media (well, fictional media). Think of all the sympathetic, doting coverage Melania Trump gets in liberal media compared to Donald. As if she's not a morally bankrupt gold digger who was perfectly willing to support Donald in all his exploitative or worse activities in exchange for access to the billionaire lifestyle. To the extent she's pulled back from him now it's only because she doesn't seem to like being associated with him to the degree that happens now that he's been preside… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 04:02 AM |
| 4 | What's the deal with r/menslib?"Financial abortions" are a related but also very good test imo. I've always advocated abortion rights for everybody because no one should be forced to be a parent if they don't want to be and I've literally never heard an argument from a feminist who disagrees that isn't a carbon copy of straight-up conservative, anti-abortion arguments i.e.: "they should've thought about that before they had sex," "everyone consents to the risk," "should've used birth control (even in cases where the woman lit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 11:04 PM |
| 26 | Insane interaction with “mod” of r/FeministsUncensoredI've tried being diplomatic like that before too. It doesn't work. They weaponize rhetoric that's purposely as emotionally charged as possible to dominate anyone who pushes back against them and the gentler you do that the easier it is for them. I'm willing to have very civil, nuanced discussions but I will not do it for the kinds of people that dominate subs like that anymore. They always use it as an opportunity to pounce. I don't like that I have to default to being as confrontational as poss… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 08:51 PM |
| 6 | Meta analysis shows that sexualized content in video games doesn’t cause body dissatisfaction or sexism in players, and studies showing a link are poorly designed or have researcher expectancy effects.I would be curious to see how something like violent, patriotic media like Zero Dark Thirty or Call of Duty (especially the Modern Warfare and Black Ops series) affect attitudes towards societal or geopolitical violence as opposed to making people overtly violent in their day-to-day lives. The latter it seems has been pretty thoroughly shown not to change but the former I haven't heard about being studied and I do think there's reason to believe it primes people to accept either the necessity or… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 09:50 PM |
| 15 | Several questions I have for this sub1 ) Human beings, capable of the full range of behaviors and attitudes that label implies. 2 ) Never really thought about it. An all one gender society sounds pretty insane and I can't imagine anyone who starts fantasizing about that is in a good place. 3 ) Some places (geographic places but also "places" as in particular arenas) yes, other places it's more valuable. I'm in a deeply liberal, urban area of the US and I think where I live is proof that it is possible for feminism to "go too far." … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/07/24 04:20 AM |
| 11 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.It's very common for feminists to bounce between biological essentialist and social constructivist arguments depending on what's convenient in a particular conversation. It's very frustrating once you notice and makes it clear that intellectual consistency is secondary to advancing their identitarian agenda. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 12:42 AM |
| 14 | Misandry from a popular webcomics artist and moreShe's a pretty big man-hater. Really loves painting herself as the ultimate victim. Also a bit of a weird simp for billionaires if I remember her comments on a few posts a while ago correctly. I find her abrasive and rarely that funny. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 28/06/24 12:13 AM |
| 19 | It seems like a lot of men are highly motivated by sex, more than they actually desire it.Oh for sure. It's a much smaller proportion of women than men but they exist and I'm sure it's generally just as painful. But mainstream contemporary feminism seems to have a significant puritanical sex-negative streak, probably because of the different issues men and women tend to have here, and women who don't enjoy that abundance of desire are just collateral damage. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 04:14 AM |
| 38 | It seems like a lot of men are highly motivated by sex, more than they actually desire it.Doubt there's much chance of changing it and I'm dubious of anyone who's convinced it should be changed. I also want to say that while I believe men may be more driven by it than women on average, it's still something that drives almost all people to a significant degree. The difference is most women receive plenty if not an overabundance of it and can take that for granted, especially rhetorically when met with men talking about the opposite experience. I think this is probably one of the most … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 03:04 AM |
| 3 | There's victim blaming everywhere I goBetween the myriad confounding variables to consider, the fundamental subjectivity of the issue, and the shaky at best reliability of self-reports as objective data, I doubt there's anything like comprehensive, reliable data on this either. From my anecdotal perspective as a guy in his 20s living in an extremely liberal, "progressive," urban area, it doesn't seem to be slowing down at all. Women (and most people) pretty much universally identify as feminists here and I see no pushback on the "ha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 12:23 AM |
| 5 | There's victim blaming everywhere I goPeople get really hung up on labels but as long as you mean something like "a socially enforced set of expectations that men AND women hold men to," then I don't really care what you call it. I do think though that perhaps the biggest stumbling block is admitting the dominant mechanism of that enforcement and trying to address it. When it comes to women enforcing "toxic masculine" norms on men, that mechanism is primarily through sex and romance. In order to address it, women will need to recogn… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 09:09 PM |
| 1 | How do you avoid becoming an incel?Lacan > Jung | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 07:30 AM |
| 6 | There's victim blaming everywhere I goI think love is one of those words that's really hard to pin down and a lot of people don't seem to mean it the way I do when they say it. For example, yeah, barring some absolutely heinous act I can't imagine choosing to stop loving someone. If you "fell out of love" because you got bored, for example, then you never loved that person as far as I'm concerned. You may've been infatuated with them for a bit, but that's different. I also think phrases like, "sometimes loving someone isn't enough,"… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 03:20 AM |
| 6 | How many men rape?I think the origin for that claim is actually a very shaky study that was done at a university in like Montana or North Dakota where the researchers asked male students (no female students as a control either) if they'd have sex with a woman who didn't consent if they knew they'd face no consequences for it and they asked them to answer on a scale from 0 to 100 with 0 being an absolute no and 100 being an absolute yes. Then they took anything FROM 10 TO 100 as "yes, this man would be a rapist if… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 01:24 AM |
| 11 | How do you avoid becoming an incel?A basis in left-wing, anti-essentialist thought helps keep me from going off the deep end. By that I mean a lot of right-wing types believe in essential traits that dominate all human behavior and immutable structures that determine the shape of society. That's not limited to gender roles but it generally includes them. By viewing social systems as contingent and malleable and human beliefs and behaviors as at least in part shaped by those social systems, not only does that allow for exceptions … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 11:43 PM |
| 3 | Why are men turning to the right?Well I'm aware now. Just another hack seething that anyone would dare stand up to their raving narrative. It wouldn't bother me except for the fact these people have actual institutional power behind them in exactly the way they want to pretend we do so explicitly lying and breeding outrage within their cult can have actual material consequences. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 09:16 AM |
| 3 | Why are men turning to the right?More fucking sensationalist lies. As if somehow men had some long-standing, unearned advantage in electoral politics over women. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/HBM4kaiNPU No wonder neoliberals lean into this nonsense to avoid scrutiny for actual exploitation. You're the best tool the right wing has in its pocket in the 21st century. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 09:07 AM |
| 6 | Why are men turning to the right?And now you're farming karma on the literal radicalfeminism sub out of this "conversation?" You're just another filthy identitarian ghoul. Nothing to do but stir up outrage with other members of the cult when people dare deny your tried and true tactic of screeching demands for sympathy and hoping the stigma against talking back to women would do the arguing for you? You're delusional. If you had to spend a month living as someone actually hated for their gender you'd probably kill yourself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 09:03 AM |
| 5 | Why are men turning to the right?Your manipulation of the truth to try and make it so women are some unique victims of discrimination disgusts me too. So guess we're even. Only difference is I'm used to what it means to actually be hated for who I am so I don't expect telling you how disgusted I am to elicit sympathy the way you do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 08:59 AM |
| 6 | Why are men turning to the right?Are you denying that it was legal to deny a woman to own land or generate credit? This is not the same thing as what you said. It was and is legal to deny a man the same things. That doesn't mean that it's illegal to grant it to them. This slippery use of language is precisely what makes your statement sensationalist propaganda. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 01:27 AM |
| 8 | Why are men turning to the right?Women were literally owned by men and couldn’t get credit or a house or land or vote. This is literally not true. You can even find refutations of these sensationalist talking points on this sub if you care to look. But judging by your post history I suspect you're just here to stir shit up and solidify your own biases by eliciting pushback rather to engage in anything like good faith. Still, information is there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Why are men turning to the right?I agree that's a blind spot a lot of idpol liberals have, especially when it comes to idealizing either native or foreign societies, but the fact remains that within the Western economic, political, and social paradigm, which is the paradigm most of us live directly under and which has come to a dominant position in the world, "whiteness," a fluid category as examples like Italians, Irish, or Jews make clear, in opposition to other racial categories has been central to the ideological proliferat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 03:18 AM |
| 2 | Senate democrats push for requiring women to sign up for military draft, leading to huge backlash.Being born in a place doesn't obligate you to have some loyalty to it. "Tacit consent" is bullshit. It's just the contrivance you need for nonsense like "the social contract" to be even vaguely defensible. Of course I understand why the leaders of any country would want conscription to be possible. The logic is dead obvious. But at the same time I understand why normal people wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Consider all the regions of Ukraine where men have been very forcibly conscripted t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 03:01 AM |
| 9 | Why are men turning to the right?I mean race makes a hell of a lot more sense than gender as something where there's been an oppressed and an oppressor. Black people in the US were effectively locked out of wealth and power in a way that doesn't translate to women, for example. Women have always existed in all social classes, the same as men. The argument from feminists is that men had power and women didn't but it's much more accurate to say traditional gender roles each came with advantages and disadvantages. Men had responsi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 01:35 AM |
| 3 | Nice misandrist female friends?Hyper-structural when it comes to identitarian dogma but almost allergic to structure and organization when it comes to direct action or political resistance. And when I say that I don't mean strictly just "working inside the system" kind of stuff, but anything more than little anarcho-flavored protests usually no bigger than an affinity group which pose no actual threat to the power structures they're meant to challenge. It really feels like the worst of both worlds and it's not surprising to m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 03:44 AM |
| 3 | Nice misandrist female friends?I think there's something to what you're saying but I also think Marx does address this more than you're giving him credit for. I put the little parenthetical "dialectical" in there to make it clear I don't believe material/economic conditions strictly determine the shape of society. Rather, those factors are what Marx called the Base and they interacted dialectically with what he called the Superstructure, which can basically be boiled down to culture, to produce and reproduce society. I think … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 02:19 AM |
| 2 | Nice misandrist female friends?An analytical framework for critiquing exploitation that gets papered over in orthodox economics is absolutely essential for any effort to change the relations of production that (dialectically) dictate the shape of society. I don't know any framework that does that better than Marxism. Without it, we just get endless production and consumption cycles where "edgy" new media is co-opted by capitalism and ends up reinforcing the same relations of production it's meant to subvert. I find value in M… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 01:37 AM |
| 23 | Male advocates who are left wing whose content I should check out?Unfortunately I don't have much to offer but I just wanted to say I appreciate you telling your story and your capacity for self-reflection and empathy. I identified as liberal and moved much further to the left before taking on positions that challenge the orthodox feminist narrative. I believed it for a long time and in retrospect it caused a lot of self-hate and issues with confidence which the mainstream "progressives" and "right-wing" both find different ways to blame me for. I also live in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 12:44 AM |
| 110 | Why does therapy so often suck for men? | Chris WilliamsonI think one of the reasons therapy may be less effective for men would also make coaching or any approach meant to "focus on improving the level of agency a man feels" potentially of limited benefit. And that's the differences between how social reality treats men and women. I've talked about this before, and so rather than go over it all again, I'm just going to link a comment I wrote in a discussion a while ago using body image issues in men versus women as an example: https://www.reddit.com/r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 12:10 AM |
| 29 | Addressing the issue of societal attitudes towards masculinity…Just to comment on the third paragraph, we've spent decades problematizing, challenging, and significantly changing men's harmful, "patriarchal" expectations for women. In that same time, but especially since the rise of social media, we've done nothing but encourage women to place as many demands, even contradictory ones, on men as they can imagine. The best defense they can muster for this is the same defense all assholes need to lean on: their right to do it. That trend is (in part) directly … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/24 10:56 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralYes. And the argument is over whether that's reasonable or will cause more harm or trouble than it's worth. I think OP is being a bit hyperbolic to say it's cultural genocide but I understand where that point comes from. And the people claiming any sort of touch without explicit permission first is harmful are being just as hyperbolic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/24 03:10 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralI don't think that's nearly as cut and dry and you're trying to make it sound for a number of reasons. First, even within the context of sex, "yes means yes" instead of "no means no" isn't exactly a common let alone universal dynamic. Plenty of people find it unerotic and unappealing. Second, social contexts make drawing a line between "invasive" and "non-invasive" actions impossible to firmly establish. What's typical in one culture or social context could be "invasive" in another. Even in the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/24 02:29 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralOk, so this is pointless. You'll all continue seeing what you want to see and validating it to each other so you never have any doubts. Incredible how far this sub has fallen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/24 12:52 AM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralYou didn't read what I or OP said. You're contriving the worst possible scenario you can to allow yourself to be mad. If you want to insist on misinterpreting then go ahead I guess. I'm tired of this. If you want to read more carefully and come up with something better, I'll be here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 11:06 PM |
| 6 | Debunking the myth that parents treat sons perfectlyThe fading bias against girls should cheer all who desire a more egalitarian society. But there are risks to society if what replaces it is a bias against boys. I understand how careful academics have to be, particularly in this area, but god does all the virtue signaling and superfluous insertions of "if" annoy me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 08:54 PM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralThat would be on the extreme end, but ultimately yes. If you read OP's post and comments carefully though you'll see that social context plays a significant role in determining what's more or less reasonable to attempt at a certain time or in a certain space. "Yes means yes" is a dangerous, quasi-legalistic overreaction to the problem that social context is inherently ambiguous and places both far too much of an exhausting and generally undesirable burden on human interactions and is far too eas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 08:45 PM |
| 2 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralI think you're now leaning closer to what OP is actually arguing for than you realize. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 08:39 PM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralI gave an actual reason why I'm agreeing with OP's position. You're the one just declaring otherwise. I have to imagine you've misunderstood some part of their or my position. But if you won't even bother to actually lay that out I'm not going to go to the trouble of trying to think of every possible misunderstanding that could be happening and composing an essay that you'd probably just reject even if it wrote it perfectly. OP seems to have the patience for that. I don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 08:25 AM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralIt "makes zero sense" that just declaring something to be true and repeating it with italics for emphasis sounds like how a religious person would argue rather than how someone who'd reasoned there way to that position and understood it would argue? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 08:06 AM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSounds like basically a religious commitment rather than something you can argue | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 07:58 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralIf you think it's such a black and white point he's raising then either you haven't understood it or "puritan" is absolutely a good word to describe you. I swear there used to be some food exchanges on this sub but the level of discourse has just gotten pathetically low. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 07:54 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralThey literally just keep accusing him of not being smart or organized. Just saying, "sorry babes but you don't understand words" is just playing a Mean Girl. It's not an argument. There's some lawyer in here, a woman because I'm sure that matters to a lot of you, who doesn't exactly agree with OP but clearly pretty much understands the point. Regina George here clearly does not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 07:44 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralAnd their point is that if one person needs to always get permission for any act they wish to initiate from another, then that's the same dynamic. By your standard someone kissing someone else without express, verbal permission would be violating consent. There can't be signs or signals or any other kind of ambiguous communication or assumption of social norms in that paradigm. And it certainly can't just be an aesthetic difference in preferences with no "violator" and "violated" parties. Each a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:53 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or Moral😂 my god, you've found your one trick and your sticking to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:49 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralIncredible how across three separate responses literally everything you said was a bad-faith deflectionary interrogative. You don't know what's even going on so you're leaning into a behavior you've learned to deflect and relying on the social conventions that give women making arbitrary accusations the rhetorical benefit of the doubt. See how at least when I'm being insulting to someone I think deserves it I'm confident enough in what I'm saying to be straight up with it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:22 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSure. By saying "no." What you're not allowed to do is arbitrarily decide what you consider harmful based on nothing other than your personal preferences and turn that into an obligatory, universal ethical law. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:17 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralIt absolutely is. They're exposing you to whatever they decide to say "without your consent." Your just making an arbitrary (in OP's vernacular: aesthetical) cutoff when it's something like a hug. But there's no basis besides arbitrary preference to consider one of those harmful but not the other. So you can say "I don't want you to hug me" just like you can say "I don't want you to talk to me" but you can't expect, nor should anyone ever try to make it legally binding, that no one can do either… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:15 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralThe point isn't that you can just walk up to someone and start fucking them. This is exactly what they mean when they say you're straw-manning them and not thinking about the point clearly because your knee-jerk reaction is to disagree. Read some more of what they wrote. Actually try to understand. You're still making it clear you haven't even understood them so you're in no position to claim you disagree from anything other than the standpoint of an emotional impulse. As a contrasting example, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 05:56 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralBecause y'all just want to insult someone for daring to say "I disagree with [slogan]" instead of actually trying to understand it, let alone engage with it in good faith. I guarantee if someone tried to say, "well I don't understand what you mean by consent so clearly it's dumb or you're bad at explaining it," as a way to dismiss whatever you think that word should mean, you'd call bullshit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 05:51 AM |
| 32 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralAs I understand it, "yes means yes" means the rule is asking for and being granted explicit consent for every act, every time. Can I say hi to you? You need to grant me explicit permission first. Can I touch your arm while we're having drinks? You need to grant me explicit permission first. Can I start dancing behind you at a club to see if you want to dance with me? You need to grant me explicit permission first. Then every act leading all the way up to and including during sex, you need to gra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 05:07 AM |
| 41 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or Moralbut if it is a pattern of behavior after I told you no... Ok but see this is a "no means no" ethic, not a "yes means yes" ethic | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 05:01 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSTILL at it? I swear, women on this sub take to bullying tactics the way fish take to swimming. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:57 AM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSlapping a different label on the same thing doesn't make it a different concept. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:55 AM |
| -4 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralMaybe you're just a judgmental moron who can't argue and just uses shaming implications that end in ellipses to try and make pick surrender to you when you don't even understand their point... And maybe the mods will erase this comment because saying this constitutes a breach of "civility" but you calling people "babes" and insisting they don't know what they're talking about doesn't constitute an "indirect attack against an individual..." for some reason. But at least I'll know for sure, if tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:53 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralI'm amazed you have the patience and stamina to try and make these ideologues step outside their bubbles for a second. Doesn't seem to work with most of them, but I admire the commitment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:49 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Remember, this was Tinder and much of these were blank profiles. Stop confusing quantity with quality, there’s no rule or law of nature stating that at X amount of likes there has to be Y number of suitable matches, you keep treating it like some math equation, a numbers game. This is a guess. An ad hoc quasi-statistical judgment. If you're saying there wasn't ONE person who was what you'd consider a suitable match in FOUE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED people, it seems beyond reasonable to believe the i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/24 09:33 PM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Excuse me for being so damn frustrated with you at this point that I couldn't be bothered with formatting. If it's too hard to keep up, feel free to stop responding. Where to begin? It's absolutely a comparison when one person brings up an issue ina certain context and you respond by bringing up what you feel is your issue in that context. The obvious implication is now that these are either of equal weight or must be weighed against each other if anything's going to be done. What else is your p… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/24 05:50 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Then spend some time telling women to stop being so damn shallow if you've got even an ounce of genuine concern for what men go through. You've clearly got time to sit and argue with strangers. Direct it somewhere more useful. If men, the supposedly shallow, only horny, no desire for commitment gender can do that, women can to. Unless they're actually just unfathomably more shallow than men. They also sure don't seem better in person. I try that too. But I'm used to this routine of getting "advi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/24 05:31 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.After reading all this I stand by my analogy even more strongly: you're complaining that you're not getting a 3-star Michelin meal to people who are starving. If you couldn't find ANYONE that you deemed good enough in 4,500 likes, then you're the problem. Your "standards" are absolutely insane and to try and put that on anything like the same level as spending years following the (often contradictory) advice of how to "improve" yourself with almost nothing to show for it has got to be one of the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/24 05:20 AM |
| 1 | (MULTIPLE STUDIES) People stigmatize autistic men more than autistic women and less willing to hang out with autistic men than autistic women.Hey. Late to the party. I know. This guy posted a comment up above that says what I'd have wanted to say at least as well as I could've. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/yoSDaDe6oT This matches my experience quite well. Perhaps it's not some sexist tyranny forcing women to comply which somehow results in these women having better social experiences. Perhaps it's women in general being treated with more acceptance, more sympathy, less rigid expectations, and less suspicion which gives them t… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/24 11:40 PM |
| 2 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.I'm sorry, I need to elaborate some more because I feel like you're still not going to accept what I'm saying. I'm not just casually dismissing your characterization of women's experiences here. I'm dismissing or at least seriously questioning them based on evidence and solid reasoning. The most generous interpretation I can come to of what you said, assuming it's at all reflective of the typical woman's perspective, is that you're inundated with shallow physical desire and nothing more serious … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 08:03 PM |
| 2 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.As soon as anyone stops defending what they're saying and starts defending their "right" to say what they're saying, you've got a good indicator they know they've got no real leg to stand on. You keep insisting you're "not making a comparison" while comparing men's and women's experiences every step of the way. You can dodge around that by trying to say, "I'm not saying who has it worse," now but you're complaining about the quality of the in-flight meal to people who are starving. If all you ca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 07:20 PM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.So all of this seems to boil down to you saying, "but I never said ALL!!" If that's the case then you're ALREADY doing better than me and doing better than most men. You want to attack me for "having the audacity" aS A mAn to comment on your experience while you're trying to make some comparison to mine. You can continue to insist that's not what you're doing while you offer all this up in response to me pointing out how men struggle but that's exactly what it is. A comparison. How you as a woma… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 07:09 PM |
| 67 | Niche question: Any other men here that previously identified as nonbinary? How has navigating identity worked out for you?Not quite, although I did spend a bit of time questioning my gender identity and wondering if I might be better described as nb or trans. But I eventually came to realize it's not that I don't think I'm a man. It's that I don't identify with a lot of the rigid and often deeply negative stereotypes about men that proliferate in a cultural zeitgeist dominated by liberal feminism. But that doesn't mean I'm not my gender. It means the image they're selling of my gender is wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/24 11:36 PM |
| 21 | Is all this a good use of our time?I worry about a lot of the same things you're laying out here. If I'm being optimistic, I'd like to think this is what the first steps have to look like. Discussion of male issues in general but especially from a male perspective that might be critical of mainstream feminism is effectively forbidden in our society. The only things close to that which touch the mainstream are Red Pill or Andrew Tate-style stuff and even that's still gynocentric and harmful to most men. It just says, "yeah, women … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/24 12:36 AM |
| 40 | You're not alone in your views on financial abortions. This article from Australia even draws comparisons to how they are fundamentally compatible with feminism, which may help those who won't accept MRA viewpointsThis is one of the issues that really opened my eyes to the sheer hypocrisy and misandry driving so many self-styled "feminists." If you're at all consistent in being pro-choice this is a complete no brainer. And the only arguments I've ever seen against it are word-for-word repetitions of anti-abortion ones with a different gender subbed in. Pro-choice should mean pro-choice for all. Always nice to hear a woman willing to stick up for that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/24 03:24 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 3: First I just want to get this out of the way so I don't have to keep saying it: I could do without all the lol's and snark. I've tried to be charitable and respectful here even though we disagree because I thought we could have a more nuanced discussion than I'm used to. But if you're going to just pounce on charity and meet it with rhetoric as charged with misplaced certainty as so many online feminists do to make their points seem solid, then this is a waste of time. It's the same … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:34 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 2 (part 2): It could be argued that men set this standard, just as you argue that it’s women pressuring each other on makeup and fashion. Most women don’t like roided-up bodybuilders if that’s what you mean. Men care much less what other men think than women seem to care what other women think. This is a discrepancy even women will point out in other contexts, agreeing that men seem to disproportionately seek or only care about emotional validation from women. I'm also not talking about… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:33 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 2 (part 1): Well then which is it? Do you believe that women do it “for themselves” or for other women? If you think it’s both, then surely you can acknowledge how men’s preferences also play a role here, especially for the women in showbiz/entertainment type jobs that heavily rely on their looks/sex appeal. I don't think anyone tries to groom or present themselves in any particular way "for themselves." The very concept of looking attractive, professional, or any other kind of way woul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:33 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 1 (part 3): See the above. Instead of trying to cram these into a gender-neutral lens, why not acknowledge that capitalism and patriarchy intersect and uniquely disenfranchise women workers by devaluing both feminine traits and female biology... Because as I mentioned above, in addition to never having been as cut and dry as you're trying to make it, that discrepancy has largely been removed from capitalism in liberal, imperial core countries in the 2020s. To the extent such gendered di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:29 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 1 (part 2): Define “debunked”. Are you denying that men make more than women, which is the observable reality? Or are you just saying it’s not due to sexism? And if that’s the case and there is no societal component, why does the wage gap differ among countries? I hope you don’t complain about boys falling behind in school then… Claudia Goldin won the """Nobel Prize""" for economics for her work which demonstrated that while discrepancies in earnings between men and women exist, when co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:29 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Ok your responses took several posts to respond to as well. I'm also posting them here separately because Reddit won't let me attach them to the corresponding comments for some reason. I'm just gonna post them all in a series attached to this one so the notifications don't blow up. Response 1 (part 1): Well yes, the material conditions of economics are more obvious than a social system that arises from interactions between humans — still doesn’t mean it just doesn’t exist. Do you believe this ab… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:28 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Ok your responses took several posts to respond to as well. I'm also posting them here separately because Reddit won't let me attach them to the corresponding comments for some reason. I'm just gonna post them all in a series attached to this one so the notifications don't blow up. Response 1 (part 1): Well yes, the material conditions of economics are more obvious than a social system that arises from interactions between humans — still doesn’t mean it just doesn’t exist. Do you believe this ab… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:28 AM |
| 13 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?And seeing as this is (ostensibly) a left-wing sub, I feel like I can also point out the similarity between that and the women that flock to successful capitalists. While that may not necessarily be a crime, it often involves taking harmful, selfish actions which are at least as bad as many things legally considered crimes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 07:40 PM |
| 29 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?I mean, I'd just point out how much more complex human behavior is than one hormone. I'd say they should try reading Robert Sapolsky's book Behave which talks about how testosterone is not anywhere near as simple as just "the aggression chemical" among scores of other factors in human behavior from the neurochemical all the way up to the sociocultural. I'd point to the examples of women in high positions of formal authority who were and are just as ruthless and self-serving as men in those posit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 10:27 AM |
| 108 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?Men commit more crime. That's just true. I think part of that can probably be attributed to biological differences but I also don't think that's the whole story. I'm a systems thinker. I try to understand the why of things on a systemic level whether that's about race, age, class, or gender. So with that in mind... One factor worth considering is the pressure for men to act as provider. This social pressure is engrained in our culture at all socioeconomic levels. Lots of men resort to crime, inc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 09:28 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Fair enough. I see that you've posted a response to one part by your comment history but it's not showing up in the thread. I'd love to respond but can't as of now for some reason. Maybe it's an issue on Reddit's end? Wanted to let you know in any case | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 08:20 PM |
| 3 | The problem with feministas, a.k.a. Feminists who have primarily been educated bout feminism online.I basically agree with this but the one caveat I'd add is that maybe "radical" should be replaced with "passionate." "Radical" or "extreme" tend to imply outliers on whatever ideological spectrum might be in question, but there are plenty of people supporting "centrist" takes or the status quo more generally. It's the people who are most passionate about whatever's being discussed who are most likely to comment, and in that sense you can see plenty of "radical centrism." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 08:45 AM |
| 11 | Have you tried talking to a therapist about these struggles? What came of it?That's gotta be a huge part of it. On the one hand, I've never seen so much awareness of or support for the Palestinian people against US-supported repression and brutalization by Israel. On the other, I've never seen so many young people, especially privileged women, repeating the same paranoid identitarian hatred as if they're living oppressed lives in a university town in one of the most liberal areas of the US in 2024. It's quite the double-edged sword, social media. It's powerful no matter … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 08:35 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.As the other person said, capitalism is far more tangible and rigorously defined that patriarchy. The power that comes from control of essential resources and means of production is clear and demonstrable while the power that supposedly comes from being a man is at best much less clear and at worst quite contestable. Hard vs. soft power, social coercion, benevolent sexism (e g. the "women are wonderful effect") etc.. Additionally, the patriarchy discussion quite often seems to distract from issu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?I'm going to regret this but fuck -- I can't help myself sometimes... Let the timestamped edits speak for themselves. You've made edits to your comments and so have I. You reread and rephrase or maybe expand on a point you made. I caught you doing it but since it didn't fundamentally change what seemed to be your point, I didn't bother mentioning it. Why you feel the need to be so petty and condescending to seemingly everyone you talk to us beyond me. ...as I have said, variation in human nature… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 10:31 AM |
| 5 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?Christ, the only people more weirdly smug than evolutionary biologists are evolutionary biology students... Observe this simple fact: that culture may liberate or inhibit certain instincts, but never create any new attitudes. This has literally been the basis of everything I've said so far but you're so determined to pick a fight and feel smart that you're missing it. I'm not bothering with anything else you've said. You're being a dick for no reason and obviously not interested in listening. I'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 08:01 AM |
| 2 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?they can never have effect upon our nature - this very fact implies that they can never be the source of any of our prejudices and behaviours. Well that's not even true from a vulgar biological determinist perspective. It's not like humans are some fixed eternal entity. Like all species the definition is less than firm and drifts with changes over time. If human social constructs influence human biological reproduction, then the social can absolutely influence what you seem to mean here by "natu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?I'm not really sure what your point is. Sure, whatever "human nature" is, we can't escape it so long as we're human, but it feels like you're trying to imply there's a very rigid model of it, probably sexually dimorphic, which you believe is dominant among the influences that shape our behavior. I don't think that's the case. A number of different characteristics define our nature and malleability by socialization, especially at an early age, is clearly one of the most prominent. I don't see why… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 06:19 AM |
| 38 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?Arlie Hochschild, the originator of the term "emotional labor," has even talked about this. How the term has been distorted and misused to describe "alienation" from what should be "enchanted" labor in a loving relationship. That doesn't mean there are no issues leading to that, of course, but the people who use the term that way tend to be more interested in weaponizing their alienation against men than in examining the systemic causes of it and addressing them. Although she probably wouldn't c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 02:22 AM |
| 69 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?This. Also a lot of feminists will bemoan men's tendency to seek emotional validation exclusively from women. Yet when it comes to social norms men adhere to, they like to pretend it's almost exclusively men who are responsible for inculcating other men with those norms. Setting aside the ABSURD assumption that women do this much less than men for a second, if men only or primarily care for the emotional validation of women, then why would what other men think even matter? To invoke a common pit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 11:12 PM |
| 38 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?Whether nature or nurture (and it's probably a combination of both, of course) that doesn't stop most people and feminists in particular from saying whatever they don't like about men can and should be changed. I believe we collectively have a considerable amount of power over social dynamics. Nurture is more important than nature as far as I can tell. In this I'm much closer to the constructivist position a lot of feminists take. But the upshot of that is that women's attitudes and behaviors ar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 11:03 PM |
| 8 | The disappearance of men | Christine Emba from Big ThinkThis was put quite well in the essay that's been going around by Jennifer Coates. https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42 "One of the students tells me that I can’t be objective about masculinity because I am a straight cis male, and that I should shut up and listen. Are these my people? I don’t correct them. I never correct anyone. It is interesting to see where people insist proximity to a subject makes one informed, and where they in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards MenWell it sounds like you just don't want to believe me so now that you've gotten your little passive-aggressive comment in I say we just leave it at that. I really don't feel like trying to type out a whole essay to explain something to someone who probably just doesn't want to hear it anyway. Feel free to just continue thinking I'm some deranged idiot if it makes you feel better. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 04:04 AM |
| 15 | Do any other “non-masculine” men also struggle with a lack of acceptance?Yeah that's basically the trajectory I followed too. There's a solid amount of feminist scholarship that contains good ideas I think are worth pursuing. My issue is that in practice almost none of that filters down from the half dozen good academics to the millions of women (and men) who claim the mantle of "feminism" when they actually put it into practice. Most of them, at least in a liberal, Western, 21st-century context, are just female supremacists and/or misandrists. Hence my (secret) brea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 11:15 PM |
| 3 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.My guess is (if they're not just completely making it up) they're dividing total number of "attacks" by total population to get attacks per individual. But that ignores that there are far, far, FAR more encounters between men and women than between bears and women. Most bears will have zero encounters with a woman on a given day. Most men will have dozens of encounters with women on a given day. That's the relevant metric for how dangerous encountering a random man is compared to encountering a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 09:20 PM |
| 22 | Do any other “non-masculine” men also struggle with a lack of acceptance?I've started identifying as a gender abolitionist rather than a feminist. Of course in public I just wouldn't mention it or would probably just lie and say I identify with feminism if pushed because it's such a dominant cultural force where I live, but yeah, personally, I find gender abolitionism captures my feelings about gender roles for everyone better than feminism does. Feminism is supposed to be an emancipatory movement for everyone but I just don't see it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 08:59 PM |
| 4 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Likewise. I'll continue not to be terribly bothered by a problem that's nowhere near as bad as it's framed by the crusaders who, like Zionists discussing anti-Semitism, want to blow it out of proportion and make it the center of their political and cultural beliefs. Although I will also continue to point out, as I do with Zionists, how deceptive that framing is when they weaponize it to shut down dissenting perspectives, deceive well-meaning people who aren't as familiar with their rhetorical tr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 05:05 AM |
| 1 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Who's talking about the law? The hundreds of comments I've seen and surely thousands I haven't all making this point are unconcerned with the law. If the law were different (as indeed it used to be) they would still cling to it nonetheless. They're about making as emotionally affective a point as possible, a rhetorical technique certain kinds of "feminists" relish in leaning on. I doubt you've actually missed the point so completely, but in case you're as dim as you're pretending to be, I'll mak… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 03:43 AM |
| 4 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this."Objective standards" Don't make me laugh. This is precisely what I was talking about. The fact you think it's some vindication of your point shows how deep within a particular ideological framework you are. This comment starts to address the issue in more detail than I want to try typing out: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/mZ9EbQuSZK But tl;dr: this is not the slam dunk you think it is | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards MenLol I'm glad? I think? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 02:56 AM |
| 6 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Yeah but by that definition I've had multiple "bad experiences" with women too. I've been touched when I didn't offer explicit consent. I've been aggressively hit on at work when I had no choice but to stay there and be polite. These are the kinds of experiences the vast majority of women who claim to be "victims" have actually experienced and I don't at all consider those experiences indictments of all women. They were uncomfortable but all things considered minor and reflect on a small minorit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 02:07 AM |
| 7 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Oath Keeper husband + women's studies student wife? Geez, I really wanna just be a fly on the wall in their house. For morbid curiosity's sake. That's wild Of course the cyncic in me wants to say: even feminist women will literally date a far-right militiaman before dating a non-masculine man 🙄 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 02:00 AM |
| 2 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.By the "normal standard," yes, but I'd argue that that "normal standard" is just kind of... absurd? Like, sure, someone touching your butt on the dance floor without your express consent is a kind of "violation," but I just don't think it's that big of a deal. There are other violations of consent, the kind most people think of when they hear the umbrella term "sexual assault," that all this ends up lumped under which are obviously terrible. But when it comes to the much more common, minor viola… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 01:56 AM |
| 1 | Thousands of Australian men have shared their thoughts on modern masculinityStoic philosophy and the trait or behaviour of being stoic are different things. Conflating these two things is what results in prejudiced and ignorant views of Stoic philosophy that are sadly widespread. Please explain how because I've heard this more times than I can count but never heard an actual explanation that held any water. Sometimes all you can do is accept that which you cannot change. Identifying such occasions is a part of Stoic teaching. That does not mean being apathetic or indiff… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 01:04 AM |
| 1 | 30 men have died while attempting to leave Ukraine to avoid fighting in warAlors vous voulez l'essayer en français ? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 10:45 AM |
| 9 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards Menexactly what the neolibs want in society: a weak, divided, angry, and disengaged working class. It's always struck me how well women do in fields like HR or management in general among the more liberal capitalist firms where they're recognized and sought. My pet theory is that, by nature or nurture, women tend to have a much higher propensity for conformity than men, which would also partially explain why they do better under the highly regimented, metric-driven, memorize-and-regurgitate model o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 10:40 AM |
| 5 | Man Bear MegathreadWhere are you seeing this? I'm seeing a hell of a lot more prudishness and sex-negativity but ALSO less interest in commitment from people in their 20s around me. Sexual orientations are widely accepted but sexuality itself seems arguably more taboo than it was for the Boomers, and certainly more than it feels like it was even a decade or so ago when I was in high school. I dare say I see just less focus on or interest in sex/relationships in general, at least in the hetero world. Sexuality feel… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 04:34 AM |
| 10 | Man Bear MegathreadYeah I spent years doing that. All it will get you is further condemnation and admonition. I'm still willing to have conversations like that if I find reasonable feminists, but it's not what I default to anymore. ESPECIALLY online. They've gotta demonstrate to me that they're able to be reasonable before I'll make that effort. Maximally emotional rhetoric is how they make points that they don't feel confident letting stand on their own. Fight fire with fire. Any concession will be perceived as w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 01:59 AM |
| 4 | Man Bear MegathreadThere's been a blog post going around from a trans woman who refuses to transition and one of the passages that stuck out to me was: "I was, and am, made to live as a boy and I cannot suspend the perspective that gave me and join in when it's time to fluster one of those clueless fuckers into anger by calling him a fuckboi and then tell him his anger proves he's a fuckboi, or to humiliate one with an OKCupid screenshot because we've willfully conflated the clumsy ones with the threatening ones s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 10:24 PM |
| 5 | Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.u/eli_ashe can you give the misleading aggregation of statistics speech? You're so good at it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 11:24 AM |
| 7 | Man Bear MegathreadThis is true, but it does run counter to the narrative about "women's intuition" or the idea they offer seemingly just as often as this explanation, that they in fact CAN pick out bad/dangerous men based on hints or feelings, which mostly just boil down to picking out awkward, shy, or less than conventionally masculine men. Really wish we could let THAT narrative die but shunning and picking on neurodivergent men seems by far like the most acceptable form of prejudice in our entire culture. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 08:24 AM |
| 1 | Reasons why the Red Pill want a war so badly?But instead they only got half: men expected and forced to at best suffer the trauma of peer-to-peer war which will likely leave emotional and physical scars that last a lifetime and at worst first themselves brutally killed, tortured to death as a captive, burning to death trapped in an overturned vehicle, bleeding out after a limb is blown off by an army of flying bots hunting them through the dark. Women, meanwhile, aren't asked (let alone forced) to do anything of the sort, aren't asked (let… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 06:56 AM |
| 11 | Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.I hate how they weaponize concepts to try and make them unchallengeable and incomparable. I've seen lord knows how many women declaring they'd absolutely rather be eaten alive by a bear than be raped over the last couple days. Even while rape survivors comment on how insulting and absurd that is in the same posts! Like, I don't WANT to be making comments like, "rape isn't the worst thing that can happen to you." Because even if it's true, it feels gross and callous to even say out loud. Like say… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 06:26 AM |
| 31 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards MenSome. Like, a woman did make this post after all. It's not all of them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 06:12 AM |
| 7 | Thousands of Australian men have shared their thoughts on modern masculinityI think from a left-wing perspective it's something to at least be VERY cautious with. Let's not forget the most prominent figures behind that philosophy were rulers of brutally expansionist slave states like Marcus Aurelius. It's inherently a conservative philosophy with its praxis centered entirely around the individual. Being a little provocative, I'd go so far as saying it's a philosophy geared towards allowing both slave masters and slaves to sleep at night then get up in the morning and pr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 02:29 AM |
| 3 | The wonderful people on blatantmisogyny are calling one of your threads "misogyny"While it's missing the point, this gotcha does have a raw logical validity to it which is why when I use this analogy I say black person. The relevant point is that statistically speaking black people, regardless of gender, do commit a disproportionate amount of crimes in the US. So going by their usual logic that men commit a disproportionate amount of crimes, it's just as justifiable to be blanketly prejudiced against black people as it is to be blanketly prejudiced against men. With the obvio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 10:44 PM |
| 2 | The wonderful people on blatantmisogyny are calling one of your threads "misogyny"I genuinely can't tell if most of them just don't want to admit this or if they're genuinely so... dumb they don't understand it. Like, I know plenty of women who are good at math or have solid reasoning skills. I know it's not inherently a gender difference. But with these women it's just astonishing. I'm usually tempted to say it's just a rhetorical strategy of playing dumb and taking the worst reading they can out of anything the disagree with. Like how it's popular advice women give to each … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 10:22 PM |
| 5 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I saw someone post something like "this article shows that 1/3 of men would be rapists if they got the chance." The link was, I shit you not: wearawhitefeather.wordpress.somethingsomething I wish there was more doubt to give them the benefit of but I'm not seeing it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:59 AM |
| 2 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I'm convinced it depends on where you are. I live in the Bay Area and while, like with just about anything else, it's not as exaggerated in real life as it is online, this is definitely a popular current here and you wouldn't need to scratch too far beneath the surface to get women to start talking just like the "femcels" online. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:56 AM |
| 8 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.Remember, you don't win an internet argument by proving the other person wrong, you win by not being the first to get triggered. God I hate that this is exactly how it works | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:50 AM |
| 11 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I pointed this out somewhere and predictably got downvoted. The question a lot of women seem to be answering whether they realize it or not is actually, "would you rather be lost in the woods with the best behaved bear or the worst behaved man?" No shit when that's how you interpret the situation you'd pick the bear. But that wasn't the question. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:46 AM |
| 8 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I mean, there is something to be said for taking philosophical frameworks like liberalism à la Mary Wollstonecraft or psychoanalysis à la Judith Butler and developing them to serve a different purpose than the originators may have intended. The frustrating thing is how often feminists seem completely unaware of the genealogy of their own philosophy and how often they complain that men are "co-opting" their ideas if they do the exact same thing with a concept like intersectionality. Double standa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:42 AM |
| 1 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?Hey no rush but I do hope to hear more from you. I'm used to a lower level of discourse, especially online, but you sound like you know what you're talking about even if we may not completely agree and I'm curious to hear more of your perspective. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/05/24 05:21 AM |
| 7 | Man Bear In The Woods With A PigEven if I am caught and it comes down to the worst of the worst (from the man)… AS A SURVIVOR, I know which fate i’d rather choose. It’s obviously a highly sensitive topic, so I won’t vocalize my choice, as obvious as it may be. But I just don’t understand how things like this go viral. I really wish you would. I think the taboo around questioning this kind of assumption is a big part of the rhetorical strategy here for maximizing victimhood. They try to make it as socially costly as possible to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/24 10:03 PM |
| 10 | Man Bear In The Woods With A PigIt's just about the only kind of crime that women (arguably) are more likely to experience than men so of course it's got to be framed as the absolute worst thing anyone can experience to fit the victimhood narrative | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/24 10:00 PM |
| 1 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?I appreciate the thorough response. I still have some questions though. Boiling my concern down to its core, I suppose it would be this: I don't understand how this could be expected to lead to a radical or emancipatory project for any more than a few people at most. Take this excerpt from your Nadia C quotation: "No more predictable ritual protests that the authorities know all too well how to deal with; no more boring ritual protests which will not sound like a thrilling way to spend a Saturda… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 08:06 PM |
| 4 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?I just finished responding to the first response you left so I'm going to first copy that in here: You can if you want, but I've read Kropotkin, I've read Proudhon, I was brought to the left largely by contemporary anarchists before realizing what I see as serious limitations within the ideology. Egoist communism is new to me but my god if it's anything like what it sounds like it should be absolutely no surprise why it sounds like liberal self-help. You saying what it's supposed to be doesn't n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 04:49 AM |
| 8 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?Mmm, not so much, I think. I think anarchism has a strong tendency to fall into liberalism precisely thanks to its insistence on the supremacy of the individual and often enough its denial of the unconscious or the influence of ideology. This passage seems indistinguishable from what one might hear from a liberal capitalist therapist with the only difference seeming to be the suggestion that that's not what it's for at the end. But if the individual is both rational and sovereign, I don't see wh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 04:20 AM |
| 10 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?We get rid of the blinders of ideology by constantly asking ourselves... How do I feel? Am I enjoying myself? How’s my life? Am I getting what I want? Why not? What’s keeping me from getting what I want? What makes you think these are questions that lead out of ideology? These seem directly tied to individualist liberal consumerist ideology where the material desires of the self are taken for granted rather than examined and deconstructed and their pursuit is the only thing that ultimately matte… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 03:37 AM |
| 2 | Why doesn't intersectionality theory able to explain the disadvantage of men?Unless you believe that oppression or exploitation literally don't exist, then writing it off because it's derivative in part of Marxism is a silly argument. And even if you only place limited stock in the concepts of oppression or exploitation, the command of material resources which Marxism focuses on seems like the most rock solid example of such dynamics one could ask for. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 01:40 AM |
| 6 | Why doesn't intersectionality theory able to explain the disadvantage of men?When it comes to theories without an institutional core which inherently manifest in the practice of individuals who take them up (so think anarchism as opposed to something like Marxism) does it matter what a few academics think? In practice, most people who claim to adhere to those ideas just seem to think of it as a point system where man is more points than woman, lighter is more points than darker, Christian is more points than anything else, straight is more points than gay, money is more … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 01:08 AM |
| 1 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:Well my point here is that the alternative seems to be at least as bad for different reasons and another point I didn't touch on is that I don't think true "self worth," without any sort of external validation, is a thing. Self or social worth, as you put it, is always contingent on external validation, which is why you would even need to try and appeal to a change in standards like you're doing in the first place. If it was truly SELF worth, then what you or me or the surrounding culture though… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 09:29 PM |
| 1 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbYeah, I am too. You can find me calling it out relatively regularly if you dig through my comments | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 11:00 AM |
| 1 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbI mean, looking at their profile yes, they are, but this post doesn't seem to be a problem in that regard. Someone like that dashing(random number) person frequently makes posts or comments that actively push right-wing positions and I think that's much more worth calling out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:51 AM |
| 3 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbWhat are you looking for then? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:36 AM |
| 5 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbThat topic is such a good litmus test for whether or not you're in a space that's going to tolerate honest conversations. I'm 100% pro-choice. Which means women get the final say on whether or not to birth a baby since she has to be pregnant, despite the emotional consequences that could have for men, and men can opt out of supporting a woman and a baby he doesn't want for as long as she can choose to abort. It's an eminently fair position, perhaps even slightly leaning towards benefitting the w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:28 AM |
| 3 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbBut even if they accept your point here, they'll then just write that off as some women having "internalized misogyny" from all of us living in such a misogynistic, patriarchal culture. There's literally no way for misandry or prejudice by women to ultimately be anything other than men's fault if this kind of ideologue wants to go that deep. It's a religion. And it keeps going. As you filter down into smaller and smaller populations who are even willing to entertain these points instead of just … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:09 AM |
| 5 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:Indeed, as far as I can tell it's almost the opposite at this point. "Don't spend your life concerned with others (God forbid, you might even be 'codependent' if you do that!). Just find some socially acceptable career path to throw yourself into and content yourself with hobbies (read: consumerism) as a self-sufficient, individual worker." I honestly feel like we all, men, women, and anyone in between, could use MORE emphasis on the value of interpersonal relationships, romantic and otherwise, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:04 AM |
| 12 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:And just adding this on (which will help the people who need a reason beyond just caring about men in general for why this is a problem) I KNOW it actively harms the left. I myself still participate in direct action, activism, mutual aid projects, etc., but I also know how taxing that work can be. It's no secret to anyone who does it. Burnout is real. And I know that I would have more capacity to keep that up if I felt less like an outsider, less like almost an intruder, in these spaces than I d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 09:52 AM |
| 1 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?There are definitely a lot of people posting here who are covertly or not-so-covertly right-wing. It bugs me too. But I think differences based on location must count for a lot of the different perceptions people have. It seems like such wildly different stories come up that that's the only way I can make sense of all of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/24 08:26 AM |
| 6 | Poland ready to help Ukraine to get military-age men back, minister says.We shouldn't be on "either side." We should be trying to rally the everyday people of Russia and Ukraine and supporting them in standing up to their imperial masters who are all too happy to use them as cannon fodder in their geopolitical maneuvering. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 09:53 AM |
| 3 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?Where do you live?? I live in the Bay Area and what you're describing is almost the exact opposite of my experience. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 08:33 AM |
| 7 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesOh hey, we might've been in that same torrent. Good to see ya | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 03:46 AM |
| 2 | ‘We have a crisis of male violence’: Attorney-General says men must step up (collective punishment and responsibility)This is one of the clearest examples of hypocrisy I've seen from feminists. Literally every single argument I've ever heard against it is exactly what anti-abortion conservatives say to women. I left purplepilldebate after the mods locked and then disappeared a huge post on this topic once it was clear that overt hypocrisy and conservative arguments were all the misandrists had on the topic. That was the final nail in the coffin for that sub in my opinion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 01:00 AM |
| 23 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesSometimes. Although I've met a lot of trans women like this I've also met a fair few who seem to adopt any and all of the most radical feminist takes including deeply misandristic ones. Maybe they feel that in order to be accepted as a "real woman" they need to make clear they stand with any and all women who call themselves feminists and don't give off even a whiff of opposition? Given the radical spiral popular feminist spaces tend to exhibit, I can understand how this could feel like the only… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 11:18 PM |
| 4 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?He said to a student asking about dating that men would have more luck looking outside the Bay Area | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 08:35 PM |
| 68 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesTrans men definitely seem to get ignored a lot of the time. Even when discussing trans people the subtext or overt focus is usually on trans women. Maybe it's a combination of both trans people still being marginalized in a lot of places and men in general just not having their issues acknowledged or cared about? In any case, I'm sure it sucks and hope more people start paying more attention to you, especially cis men who it seems face a lot of similar issues anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 08:17 PM |
| 25 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesThat would be trans women | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 07:42 PM |
| 9 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?Funny enough, I think one part of the solution is to drill into men the same rhetoric that has been drilled into women for the last couple of decades "i.e. that they don't need a man". I find myself a bit torn here. On the one hand, there's obviously a strategic advantage the more men more deeply embrace this. On the other, I think it's probably not good for us as a species/culture to continue encouraging atomization and hyper-individualism. I also can't help thinking that if push comes to shove… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 07:09 AM |
| 22 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?This. I had to laugh a few weeks ago when this statement a professor made got blown up into a wild controversy (not even worth going into but you can probably find it if you Google around) and this woman was quoted, on the record, with her full name, in the school paper, the day after it all started saying she was "afraid to speak out." Yet in just that time, the vast majority of the student body, several professors, the chair of his department (who happens to be a woman), his college within the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 01:56 AM |
| 19 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?Have you ever heard of Michel Houellebecq? A lot of his novels touch on this topic. And while they certainly have a very pessimistic, I'd even say reactionary tone, they do a good job of capturing what can happen to a man's mind when he gets the shit end of this dynamic. Whatever and Atomised are a couple examples of his books that deal pretty heavily with this topic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 08:34 PM |
| 62 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?I've talked about this a few times before so I just copied one of my comments on suggestions for what to do and will paste it here. It's general, since the discussion never seems to get much further than that, but maybe here that will be different. Seems like a good place to start in any case: "It would probably help to take an analogous approach to raising and socializing girls as we've taken to raising and socializing boys in the last several decades. Media has changed to highlight non-traditi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 11:30 AM |
| 1 | Women accept being alone better than menThis sub has completely collapsed into a radfem circle jerk. You're wasting your time here, I'm afraid | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/24 09:23 AM |
| 1 | Request for Career Ideas in Helping MenNo no no, get that EA crap out of here! This is a left-wing sub. We aren't about Sam Bankman-Fried's preferred ethical framework. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 09:18 AM |
| 8 | Men don't need to open up more; society needs to be more perceptive.The feminist to right-wing pipeline starts with embracing that kind of thinking | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/24 12:35 AM |
| 4 | Why are so many men so angry? (https://12ft.io)And why does it seem like the younger they are the angrier they tend to be? Not only do younger people just definitionally have fewer life experiences but the younger generations of women have undeniably lived in a world more catered to them as feminism has been undeniably successful in changing laws, politics, and culture over the last several decades. Just considering those factors, younger women should be less angry on average but that doesn't match my experience. I mean, hell, how often do y… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/24 06:48 AM |
| 11 | Am I the only one who thinks the talk of toxic masculinity is nothing more than a shit test/manipulation test from society in order for the powers that be to keep looking for things to scrutinize in men?I've said it before, but as an example: I haven't learned that I need to bottle up my insecurities and act like a rock around others because of how men have treated me. I've learned to be that way because of how women have treated me. I don't want to be that way, but I also don't want the social rejection and isolation that comes with refusing to live up to that expectation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/24 09:19 PM |
| 2 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsWell some of the concepts you've brought up before are already helping me as I find myself drawn into conversations with, let's say, more conventional feminists on the Tumblr sub here. So although they're quite wordy, I generally enjoy seeing your posts here. It's clear it comes from a place of familiarity with feminist and gender theory but with a critical perspective that you don't usually see in those with that familiarity. I find that very valuable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/24 07:45 PM |
| 2 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsQuite the write-up. Thanks! Appreciate the thorough response | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/24 06:33 PM |
| 3 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsYeah between that and "ethically obligatory concerns" smelling like the categorical imperative, I was reminded of Kant. But I haven't read much of him directly either. Just excerpts and secondary literature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/24 11:35 PM |
| 2 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsWhat is the theoretical background you're deriving this framework from? It seems sort of Kantian to my lay eye but I'd appreciate more details. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/24 03:47 PM |
| 4 | Croatia considering reintroducing compulsory military service. This tsunami of misandry is rapidly sweeping the entire world.We're talking about war here. If this person thinks rape is the worst thing that can happen to a prisoner then they're just objectively ignorant. I don't want to be raped. Obviously. I would also rather be raped than have quite a lot of things that captives in war commonly suffer happen to me. Or things that non-captive combatants suffer. You have to be ignorant of those things to privilege rape so highly. There's just no other rationale for that unless you're completely disingenuous and just ma… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/24 01:16 AM |
| 2 | Croatia considering reintroducing compulsory military service. This tsunami of misandry is rapidly sweeping the entire world.But i would argue, if you live in free society, it is better for us to win a war against an aggressor. Well I'll let you know how I feel about that as soon as I live in a free society. I'm sure you wouldn't be so ridiculous as to consider capitalist oligarchies "free," right? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/24 01:11 AM |
| 6 | On a post about the popularity of yaoi in Japan. I don’t think they will ever realize the irony of thisUpvote for mention of Lacan. There's also this idea that 2nd-wave feminists like de Beauvoir took from psychoanalysis that men are allowed to be contradictory while women are expected not to, which is what concepts like the Madonna-Whore complex are built on. It's funny because I think once you understand that it becomes clear that at least today it's men who are viewed as bad for being humanly contradictory. For example, I wish I didn't just get categorized as "weak" and therefore a bad example… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/24 03:43 AM |
| 14 | Croatia considering reintroducing compulsory military service. This tsunami of misandry is rapidly sweeping the entire world.I'm sorry but there are things so much worse that can and do happen to captives during war that it's hard to see it as anything other than internalized misandry to privilege this one atrocity to such a degree. Also just Google "Abu Ghraib" if you think male prisoners of war don't also face sexual assault. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/24 12:57 AM |
| 4 | Math Group, Tinder, Bumble Change Privacy Policy to Allow ScreenshotsIn theory, sure. But I have a feeling if analogous doxxing/gossip groups were set up by men they'd get shut down in a heartbeat | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 10:18 PM |
| 12 | Partner considering your male advocacy the opposite side / opinionNo, but only because I don't bring this stuff up because I figure the responses you're giving as examples here are about the best I could expect | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 01:30 AM |
| 26 | On April 22, SCOTUS will hear arguments for and against punishing homelessness (which mostly affects men)Another dude apparently ignoring the "leftwing" part of this sub's name and deciding to comment their generic right-wing talking points 🙄 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/24 08:39 PM |
| 2 | Why the oppressor versus the opressed dichotomy is very nonsensical in the context of gender and intersectionalitySo this means feminists can't pretend that a lot of women don't want it both ways. I mean, it probably SHOULD mean this, but it doesn't. I'm sure you've noticed how often anti-abortion politics are blamed on "men wanting to control women's bodies" even though the percentage of anti-choice women is consistently about the same as the percentage of anti-choice men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/24 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Some Books And Concepts Worth Reading And Using To Counter The False Patriarchal Narrative.Good list. I've read some of these and others I've never heard of. Slightly off topic, but for a shorter read that's still somewhat relevant, I'd recommend The Xenofeminist Manifesto, which includes sections written by Donna Haraway. It's probably the feminist work whose vision I've found myself most agreeing with. That is, reading it didn't even just feel like something I grudgingly or apathetically accepted. I was actually excited by the vision of gender they present and the future they aim fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/24 11:30 AM |
| 5 | How Society is Pushing Men Toward Toxic Conservative Values and How AWDTSG is Accelerating ItIt's a capitalist "alternative" to universal, single-payer healthcare. You can quibble over whether it should be considered a Republican idea or a bipartisan idea, but it's undeniably a right-wing idea. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/24 10:51 PM |
| 4 | Is that hate and dismissal that Red Pill movements and Jordan Peterson get justified?Seriously. Want a little taste of why that dude just shouldn't be taken seriously? Watch his "debate" with Slavoj Zizek where he comes off like a high school kid who just read the Wikipedia page for his topic the morning of his presentation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/24 03:24 AM |
| 4 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Imagine how much more powerful the left could be if it weren't for the identitarians pushing so many people away... Like, if I hadn't started out with a strong basis in Marxism after spending years in liberal activism and coming to see the shortcomings of that ideology for myself, the idpol stuff would almost certainly have turned me off from the left entirely just based on association. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 10:23 PM |
| 1 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Lol it restores a tiny bit of my faith in this place that at least the dude just saying "Marx was an idiot" is getting downvoted | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Right wing fucknuckles believe in gender roles, so why is it so focussed on here? For many of us, our experience is that even women who describe themselves as "progressive" still very much believe in and desire traditional gender roles for men, at least insofar as they benefit women. I think your comments are rubbing a lot of people the wrong way because they're echoing an ideal that often doesn't match reality and dismissing the experiences of people who point that out instead of stopping to co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 07:47 PM |
| 8 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Feminism has succeeded in changing the baseline expectations men, particularly in liberal countries/regions, have for all types of relationships with women over the last few decades. I don't see why the same couldn't work with the genders reversed. If moving beyond rigid, traditional gender roles is the objective, I don't know why in both cases it should be purely on men to make changes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 07:37 PM |
| 3 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?That's like me saying REAL feminists don't believe X - it's not super constructive because then it's a semantic game and arguing over the beliefs of people we don't know. Is that not exactly what you've been doing by insisting that "real feminists" aren't misandristic? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 04:18 AM |
| 2 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?I've gotta say, you seem to have quite a rosy conception of women's socially flexible desires and expectations and quite a harsh conception of men's. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Jesus guess I'll keep my mouth shut. My OP in second screenshot.Do you mean the explicitly bigoted part that completely ignores content in favor of blanket discrimination based on identity? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 12:51 AM |
| 1 | Jesus guess I'll keep my mouth shut. My OP in second screenshot.That makes me wonder how many are really just incapable of sympathy for some reason versus how many are self-diagnosing because it's trendy on TikTok | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Is that hate and dismissal that Red Pill movements and Jordan Peterson get justified?For the most part, yes. What makes them dangerous is that they often brush up against genuine topics and subjects that need consideration...but they go about it in the most ass backwards way possible. In regards to the redpill, it's largely just enforcing standard gender roles for men and shaming those who don't adopt a performatively aggressive and "alpha" male lifestyle - getting us nowhere. This part especially is EXACTLY right. It's crazy that you're getting downvoted. Lots of hair splitting… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/24 08:14 PM |
| 1 | In Ukraine men aren't safe, no matter the ageThere's no "good guy" or "bad guy" in inter-imperialist conflict. Russia and its allies bear responsibility and so do NATO. A random Ukrainian conscript has more in common with a random Russian conscript than with the leaders of his own country and vice versa. Throwing the world's working class into a meat grinder for nationalism and the geostrategic interests of this proxy war's primary supporters is a tragedy. If those people –almost exclusively men but that's beside my point here– are going t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/24 08:03 PM |
| 4 | What are the cultural aspects of your society that are harmful to men's mental health?I haven't watched a ton of her content so I might be missing some nuance, but as far as I can tell she's a big proponent of CBT which in my experience boils down to labeling any traits, behaviors, beliefs, or attitudes that deviate from some societally determined ideal of "normal" as "cognitive distortions" and teaches techniques for essentially brainwashing oneself into accepting that and learning to perform conformity. It's a very individualizing approach to therapy which I've seen weaponized … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 10:12 PM |
| 6 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?Single very clearly means lonely to a lot of people or they wouldn't be equating them. The only reason I can see for making this invalidating comment is so you can dismiss anyone who says not having access to a romantic relationship makes them lonely. Why is that something you feel compelled to do? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?It's not "hypocritical." I'm a different person. How many chicks on OF have pimps, huh? And of the minority who do, how many are just pure victims who didn't have any choice rather than willing participants? And what sort of conservative-ass argument is, "well anyone who's not an idiot can see this exploitative practice isn't going to fix your problem so if you fall for it you're stupid and deserved it," anyway? "Anyone with two braincells" can see that gambling won't solve financial problems an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 09:19 PM |
| 2 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?You'll have to explain a little more. Is this about that all meat diet trend going around in some male-centric circles online? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 08:54 AM |
| 3 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?Which is just so SO stupid. If I as a some kind of communist can come to understand that even capitalists are ultimately just subject to the imperatives and pressures of the system of capitalism, then even if you accept patriarchy theory, this idea that all men are self-actualizing oppressors individually responsible for their own circumstances is ridiculous. But most self-identified feminists aren't even that theoretically literate. They're just reactionary identitarians, hardly any different f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:37 PM |
| 7 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?I know which tweet you're talking about. Ironically, she's a sex worker so she's exploiting the very same people she hates. So basically the same as a casino owner saying gambling addiction is a personal responsibility problem. Or a drug dealer who says the same about substance abuse. I.e., an exploitative asshole with a material interest in maintaining social problems. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:33 PM |
| 4 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?It would probably help to take an analogous approach to raising and socializing girls as we've taken to raising and socializing boys in the last several decades. Media has changed to highlight non-traditional relationship dynamics. Women's issues with those traditional expectations have been highlighted and drilled into boys starting at a young age. Influential cultural and political figures have exemplified something closer to the feminist ideal when describing or demonstrating relationships co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:27 PM |
| 9 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?they're outright saying that men are unworthy to even be in the presence of a woman unless he can magically fix all of his personal flaws in complete isolation Expanding on this, what count as "flaws" are determined socially, external to the individual, and the standard is much harsher for men. "Insecurity" is one example. Women who are insecure are at WORST seen as pitiable. Maybe a little awkward and isolated, but she probably deserves sympathy and understanding. Men who are (or are labeled) "… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:18 PM |
| 11 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?Male body image issues are higher right now than they've ever been since anyone bothered to try and keep track. https://www.eatingdisorders.org.au/find-support/eating-disorder-blog/body-image-issues-in-men/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Australian%20Psychological,of%20disappointment%2C%20shame%20and%20guilt Has anyone else noticed we don't seem to hear nearly as much about women's body image issues as we did even say 5-10 years ago? I can't help thinking at least part of that is because men sta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:09 PM |
| 1 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?"right-wing politics" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:04 PM |
| 3 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?That tweet is a great example of how contemporary feminism subtly inculcates women with right-wing ideology. It's not the "job" of rich countries to take in refugees from poor counties, even when those countries are stricken with war or natural disasters. It's not the "job" of the oil and gas industry to create a sustainable energy model that won't condemn the Earth to runaway climate change. It's not Jeff Bezos' "job" to provide a living wage for all the people that make Amazon possible or make… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 06:08 AM |
| 8 | Sick And Tired Of The "Women And Children" NarrativeBeyond that, it takes formal power as the only kind of power and neglects soft power. Men have historically held more formal power than women in most cultures and still do in many places today. But what most feminists do with this fact is take all agency away from women and act as if they are and always have been passive slaves to the wills of men. I don't really want to write an essay here, but you can look up how Spartan women were able to influence the course of politics by influencing men wi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 07:19 PM |
| 2 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisSo what term(s) do you use if someone twists your arm and makes you give some labels? I assume being here you identify with some perspectives that get lumped under the broad "left" umbrella. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 01:40 AM |
| 3 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisI think maybe "partisan" would be a better word than "political" for how you're using it here? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/24 07:10 PM |
| 13 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisSoooo many self-identified leftists are really just identitarian liberals. As a leftist, it pisses me off to no end. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/24 07:03 PM |
| 35 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisWorse than that, a lot of women who get into liberal feminism, particularly the middle to upper-class corporate types, end up adopting extremely toxic, hyper-individualist, capitalist values that ultimately draw them away from anything like egalitarian politics and generally towards the right. I honestly think feminism as it's generally practiced in the population is one of the most dangerously subversive anti-liberatory political movements at this time. It almost perfectly divides the populatio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/24 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Men’s therapySeriously. I finished reading it though and you're not missing much. Just bog standard, self-centered, right-wing, conformist, drivel. I know a lot of other male spaces are worse but it bugs me how many overtly right-wing people show up on this sub. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/24 10:02 AM |
| 2 | Queer spaces are filled with man-hate, bi women most affected...it's normal and okay because women are just like that. There's this extremely frustrating strategy I see a TON of feminists use where any male tendency that women have a reason not to like is socially conditioned, usually by "patriarchy" or "toxic masculinity," and can and should be changed. But any female tendency that men have a reason not to like is just inherent and unproblematic so not only can it not be changed, but by the naturalistic fallacy it OUGHT to be respected. "Biological essen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/24 01:32 AM |
| 2 | I got banned from r/boysarequirky for pointing out that caring about isolation epidemic that affects men does not make one antifeminist and no its not just happening to incels.I think the term I most identify with now is gender abolitionist. Because restrictive, traditional gender roles suck for everyone and we should be trying to loosen them across the board. Feminists like to say they're about that, and some are, but a ton of them just use that as rhetorical cover whenever men bring up their own issues while still actively supporting and working collectively and individually to maintain traditional male standards if they benefit women. In liberal, Western countries,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 11:54 PM |
| 3 | I got banned from r/boysarequirky for pointing out that caring about isolation epidemic that affects men does not make one antifeminist and no its not just happening to incels.Man, every time I see that sub I'm just reminded how crazy it's gotten. The "blue/pink pill" misandrists have almost completely taken it over. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Men’s therapyInteresting. This sounds like a kind of nightmare example of psychoanalysis which I've been trying to get for some time now but they're not super common and my insurance hasn't been compatible (US here). I've found a lot of relief actually from reading psychoanalytic literature, more so than I got from "evidence-based" modalities like CBT which tended to just feel like a way of trying to convince me to gaslight myself into being a functional worker without helping me gain any kind of real unders… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 10:08 AM |
| 1 | I Don't Have Anywhere Safe to Share This...That's just the politicalcompassmemes chart. The brand of individualism that's dominant in liberal capitalist countries like the US is, not surprisingly, primarily oriented towards market individualism. It's the furtherance of marketized, consumerist principles to interpersonal relationships that are causing the problems we see. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 02:00 AM |
| 1 | I Don't Have Anywhere Safe to Share This...The hyper-individualism liberalism fosters is right-wing anyway. It's all in the service of dividing and alienating us to create the ideal capitalist subjects who live to work and consume and never act collectively to resist that state of affairs. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 09:14 PM |
| 6 | I Hate The Term "Male Dominated"Men take these roles because of the expectations put upon them, and also because of the lacking alternatives in terms of support, resources, and lower baseline valuation. Most men still require status, income, or competency to even attain a positive value to society. This. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 02:38 AM |
| 12 | I saw this stand up short and I think it represents one problem seen in feminist spaces: Not fully questioning gender norms.I've honestly wondered if I might be some kind of neurodivergent hearing all of these things in the gender discourse and feeling like I so clearly identify with them. Like I remember reading this book, The Case for Falling in Love by Mari Ruti, who was something like a psychoanalytic critical and gender theorist, and feeling like even though most of it was explicitly aimed at women, it matched my experiences and patterns of thought almost perfectly. I've even questioned whether or not I might be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 02:15 AM |
| 10 | I saw this stand up short and I think it represents one problem seen in feminist spaces: Not fully questioning gender norms.Cis-het white man so no, I don't get any oppression points | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 10:47 PM |
| 25 | I saw this stand up short and I think it represents one problem seen in feminist spaces: Not fully questioning gender norms.I just want to say I completely identify with that John Berger quote. l feel it in my bones, just with the genders reversed. It makes me wonder am I just some freak outlier? Or is this a universal experience that men just don't articulate as thoroughly or as often? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 09:59 PM |
| 7 | I Hate The Term "Male Dominated"This is also the argument they'll make for why women aren't as prominent as men in certain highly paid and prestigious technical fields even with at least the full legal rights of men, but in those cases it's an argument for why the further adoption of feminist dogma is necessary in those fields rather than an excuse to not pursue them. The blatant identitarian status seeking under the pretense of "equality" is beyond clear. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 08:59 PM |
| 18 | How can we prove the empathy gap?This seems like a good idea but I'd also guess there probably just isn't a lot of institutional academic research on this topic because it's not a "politically correct" topic to look into. There are other examples of questions like that which I think most liberals would find difficult to dismiss such as the lack of studies on police use of force, particularly shootings and killings of people who didn't pose a threat. It's widely known that there's little research in this area in part due to poli… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 01:11 AM |
| 3 | How is life for young men in Nordic Countries?It's almost like material circumstances are the basis for social reality and comfort and security give room for positive development 🤔 Hence why I'm a lefty | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/24 10:03 PM |
| 4 | Keep getting banned from subs left and right for talking about my experiences as a male sex abuse victim to rebut anti-male rhetoricSome do. We can debate what the proportion is, but the important thing in my mind is that they don't have to be that way. If I thought there was no changing things, I'd just be a red-pill dude trying to max out my odds of winning "the game." Biological drives and social conditioning both play a role in human behavior. Just as shifting cultural attitudes over the last few decades have significantly changed the baseline male attitude, female attitudes can be shifted as well. I don't think it's pro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/03/24 01:46 AM |
| 21 | Keep getting banned from subs left and right for talking about my experiences as a male sex abuse victim to rebut anti-male rhetoricI've come to basically this same conclusion as I find myself growing more and more distant from activist circles I used to be much more engaged in. Not only is it personally taxing to try and freely give so much of my time and energy when I don't feel welcome or recognized in these spaces, but I feel that this dogmatic focus on identitarian politics is a continuous source of tactical and strategic errors that limit their effectiveness. It's hard enough to find active leftist groups in general. I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 08:50 PM |
| 13 | "Men are more violent" vs. "Certain crimes are worse when men do them"I don't think it's too complicated. I think most people are smart enough to see the glaring issue. They just resort to nonsensical excuses because the cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable but they're not willing to give up their prejudice. I really don't like that aphorism, "never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity." Frankly I think at least as often as not, what could be explained by stupidity actually comes from some sort of malice, or at least bad faith. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 08:34 PM |
| 19 | "Men are more violent" vs. "Certain crimes are worse when men do them"I've literally never seen a good response to this. The closest anyone has ever come is just arbitrarily decalring men, as roughly 50% of the population evenly distributed among all races, nationalities, religions, and economic classes, are "oppressors" and therefore it's ok. I DID get permanently banned from menslib for asking about it though. It really does seem like this is just a slam dunk argument. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 08:31 PM |
| 2 | "What Do We Need Men For?"I think we'd be better off by emphasizing the ways in which we all need each other and can benefit enormously by engaging and interaction, but I agree that the most important thing is that we give all people the same message regardless of gender. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 09:24 AM |
| 12 | Progress: Utah signs due process bill H.B. 414 into law. The bill emphasizes the presumption of innocence, active assistance of attorney and non-attorney advisors, and prohibitions on conflicts of interest in higher ed Title IX proceedings.Crazy that none of that was standard already. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 01:09 AM |
| 2 | As LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?Assuming that it's even reasonable to rank appropriate levels of fear, should likeliness of an outcome not play into how we evaluate that? To give a hyperbolic example, being kidnapped by cartel goons after being mistaken for a drug runner who stole some product, taken to a secluded location, and tortured to death while pumped full of adrenaline to keep me from passing out from the pain would undoubtedly be worse than having someone threaten me with a knife while I'm walking home from a bar at n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/24 10:14 PM |
| 2 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?They're not "afraid for no reason." The problem is many are overly afraid because of constant exposure to the narrative that they're in danger which is unfortunate but can be helped. A good many others however weaponize that fear to justify everything from a myopic focus on their issues to draconian or outright discriminatory laws and policies. Those are the ones that absolutely need to be pushed back against otherwise they'll continue to bludgeon us with that emotional cudgel. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/03/24 08:35 AM |
| 22 | Male lawyer sues Mona over women’s-only ‘Ladies Lounge’I think it's fair to say women actually have MORE legal rights than men in many such countries now. For the most part they have equal rights, but taking the US as an example, women don't have to sign up for selective service in order to register to vote and women are allowed to abort a pregnancy unilaterally if they want (at least in liberal states) but if a man doesn't want a baby that a woman decides to keep, he generally has to spend decades financially supporting her for her choice. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/24 08:34 PM |
| 0 | Improving Boys’ Education to Reduce PolarizationPretty much all human tribes, at some point, "stole" their lands. The entire history of humanity, basically, is one tribe after another moving on each other's territory, making war and "stealing" land. Even if this is true, it still represents a potent argument against liberalism which poses itself as a superior form of human social organization because of its supposed inherent respect for "natural" rights, which allows it to make a moral claim in support of everything from cultural hegemony to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/24 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?Well in my mind, anti-capitalism is probably the most important characteristic at this point in time. Although there are right-wing strains of anti-capitalism too, so it also means having an egalitarian bent and perhaps an orientation towards positive rights as well. Of course it's one of those things where everyone is gonna give you slightly different definitions but it's a distinction worth trying to make as far as I'm concerned. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/24 08:34 PM |
| 2 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?I mean, as far as I can tell there is no "left," at least in the US. There are corporate liberals and radical identitarian liberals for the most part. ACTUAL leftists are so few and far between they're basically politically irrelevant right now. That's discouraging in its own way, but at least it helps me maintain the separation between, say, socialists and liberal idpol ideologues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/24 09:51 PM |
| 4 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?some sort of harassment/SA/or even rape I think the issue is in how often all of these are tied together. At this level of abstraction, everything from a guy asking you to dance a few times at a club even though you said you weren't really feeling it the first time to being beaten and violently raped at gunpoint gets put under the same umbrella. It's that kind of aggregation that allows for the most sensationalist claims like, "every woman has experienced sexual harassment or assault in her life… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/24 09:41 PM |
| 12 | Improving Boys’ Education to Reduce PolarizationI remember someone once posting a jokey take that's kind of half true that feels relevant to this: If women wanted to gain total control of industry and government at the highest levels, all they'd have to do is start sleeping exclusively with broke dudes. The dirtier and more broke, the better. The day after they start, guys will be setting up in cardboard boxes on the street corner competing over who can have the dirtiest pants and hobo-iest bindle of crap. All those executive positions would … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/24 08:05 AM |
| 5 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?Ahh, that'd explain it then lol | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/03/24 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Hello- this is an issue to discuss female issues without resorting to any misandry- we’re humans and our job is to work together :)I kind of floated in and out of there over the course of a couple months, so my experience isn't the broadest, but I feel like there's been a tonal shift over there in favor of feminists/"the pink pill" recently. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 06:11 PM |
| 3 | 'Can't your husband/boyfriend cook for himself?' Does anyone else notice the uptick in aggressiveness toward wives/girlfriends for just doing something nice for their partner?This is the absolute core of it and it's why, even if you don't object morally to how right-wing men's "advocacy" à la Tate or Peterson works, it's doomed to fail. The embrace of capitalist values applied to every aspect of human life is a core part of liberal feminism which is by far the dominant strain of feminism. All the right-wing response to it does is tell men that they better lean in and get gud at playing the dollar/status game if they want a shot at being one of the few dudes standing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 09:07 AM |
| 5 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?Liberal feminism is a gateway to bootstraps conservatism by this exact route. It's why the smart new generation of capitalists have all so thoroughly embraced it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 03:36 AM |
| 6 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?Seriously. Like, the amount I've spent on alcohol when really down in the depths of despair about this would be enough to hire a decent prostitute at least once a week. But that feels like a worse, less effective cope than guzzling literal poison. It's so much deeper than just "wanting to get your dick wet." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 03:32 AM |
| 7 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?I think that might be the most comprehensible Hegel quote I've ever read | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 03:26 AM |
| 7 | Is a large component of the male loneliness epidemic the general feeling of being undesirable?Not sure why the dvs Probably because it sounded like you were trying to justify it. A lot of feminists have this extremely frustrating habit of bouncing between bio-essentialist and social constructivist arguments depending entirely on which one will advantage women in that particular discussion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 01:38 AM |
| 7 | Is a large component of the male loneliness epidemic the general feeling of being undesirable?everyone should focus on how to decenter your mind from others rather than spend time wondering why or how to get more attention Same energy as billionaires telling you, "money isn't everything -- don't let it rule your life." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Is a large component of the male loneliness epidemic the general feeling of being undesirable?Yes. People want to be wanted. That doesn't just boil down to sexual desirability, although that's usually a component. The desire to be desired is arguably the most universal human characteristic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 01:06 AM |
| 13 | The "Alone At Night" ArgumentWhich country? I feel like a good amount of that rhetoric in Europe is very thinly veiled racism and/or anti-immigrant bias being framed in a way to target social liberals. I feel like especially in France, for example, liberal feminism has become a convenient Trojan horse for smuggling reactionary attitudes into the mainstream. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 12:34 AM |
| 18 | 'Can't your husband/boyfriend cook for himself?' Does anyone else notice the uptick in aggressiveness toward wives/girlfriends for just doing something nice for their partner?On the one hand, I keep myself somewhat sane by realizing most women aren't as deranged as the TikTok lunatics who hate love/romance. On the other hand, I see them having more and more influence especially on young women and this hollow, transactional view of relationships becoming more and more common. I've experienced the results and it both scares me and makes me incredibly sad. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 12:27 AM |
| 6 | No space for peaceful incelsI was talking about body image issues and the gendered effectiveness of therapy (particularly CBT) the other day and I think one of my comments is relevant to this discussion. It was fairly long though so I'm just going to link it rather than trying to rewrite it for this conversation specifically. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1b7zojd/what_are_some_misconceptions_women_have_about_men/ktq19u4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_butt… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/03/24 09:11 PM |
| 7 | My Mixed Review of the SOTU, and Why Biden needs to address men directly if he wants to win; used the words woman/women 12 times, men/man only once.Absurd | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 04:03 AM |
| 8 | My Mixed Review of the SOTU, and Why Biden needs to address men directly if he wants to win; used the words woman/women 12 times, men/man only once.And that means one is a bodily imposition and the other isn't? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 02:06 AM |
| 8 | Loneliness pandemic and mental health issues, I wish mental health professionals did make lots of Investments and training on this topic, more than what they are doing.I don't think it's unpopular to suggest there would be high demand for products like that. I think the problem is suggesting that's necessarily a good thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 12:08 AM |
| 8 | My Mixed Review of the SOTU, and Why Biden needs to address men directly if he wants to win; used the words woman/women 12 times, men/man only once.Child support is a financial obligation, not a bodily one. This is a terrible argument. Please explain to me how anyone except maybe the ultra-rich are supposed to meet decades of financial obligations without their bodies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 12:01 AM |
| 1 | It's Gender Studies, Not FeminismIf you want a pseudoscientific field that rejects "blank slate-ism" might I suggest psychoanalysis? In my opinion it has much better answers to subjective questions fields like neuroscience and empirical psychology ignore without falling into the asymmetric ideological pitfalls feminism tends to. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/03/24 02:20 PM |
| 0 | Yougov survey indicates men are more supportive of sex-workers...Careful, being ACTUALLY left-wing here is... controversial | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/03/24 03:50 AM |
| 5 | Did anybody read ‘Of boys and men’ by Richard Reeves?I think a less flattering but still defensible way of describing those traits would be "a propensity for conformity and obedience." I'm not sure those should be considered de facto "better," but technocratic, late-capitalist control societies (in the Deleuzian sense of the word "control") definitely do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/03/24 03:37 AM |
| 3 | How do you explain to some people who maybe don’t understand misandry or the harms it causes, that it’s different to “heterophobia” or “anti-white racism”?It was in the comments here | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/24 10:29 PM |
| 7 | How do you explain to some people who maybe don’t understand misandry or the harms it causes, that it’s different to “heterophobia” or “anti-white racism”?I saw a comment on a blog post from a lesbian woman that feels relevant: "Also, big sigh, AS A LESBIAN, since that matters: being told that you are constantly inadvertently sexually harassing people, possibly even by talking to them at all, and that objectifying thoughts make you a disgusting person and that most women feel constantly besieged by creeps, will terrify a certain segment of the population into hating themselves for attraction to women. My girlfriend spent years believing that if yo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/24 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Identity politics: in defence of ‘old white men’It might be argued that statistically old, white men have bad politics from a left perspective, but young, black men are criminally dangerous from a statistical perspective as well. But not only is this a very poor excuse to demonize all young, black men, emphasizing it also neglects systemic factors for why they might be more likely engage in criminal activity which relies on or at least feeds into prejudical essentialist attitudes. Bernie Sanders is an old, white man, and while I have my criti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/02/24 05:54 AM |
| 1 | So, Blake Lively is a misandrist, apparently. Is it really getting this bad?Well yeah, liberals don't actually mean Left when they say "left" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/24 10:32 PM |
| 3 | "You have to answer for men's bad behavior."I know you weren't talking to me but I'd just like to say personally I noticed these examples in the opposite order. I was "left wing" before "male advocate." Despite not being Muslim or Arab (or something like Indian Sikh which would often be confused for them) I saw the absolute unfairness of trying to hold entire groups of people responsible for the acts of a minority of individuals they had nothing to do with and how prejudice was one of the main drivers of that attitude. It's actually havin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/24 02:55 AM |
| 2 | How to offer basic critical analysis of patriarchal centered gendered studiesMarxism and critique of capitalism seems like the odd one out here as it relies on classifications of an economic position rather than creating divisions and hierarchies between people based on immutable characteristics. People are born a certain sex. They're born with particular traits that mean they'll be assigned a racial label. No one is immutably born a worker or a capitalist and those categories could be eliminated without dehumanizing anyone. Just as sophisticated Marxists will claim that… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/24 12:23 AM |
| 4 | Let’s talk about incelsI don't want to dismiss the challenges I'm sure you've experienced, but man, I feel like I'd have no issues here if even 30% of women DIDN'T hold neurodivergent tendencies against men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 09:19 PM |
| 6 | Let’s talk about incelsIt seems like at a societal level we could at least make this a little better by actively socializing and educating people starting from a young age to be less rigidly judgemental about deviations from "normal" behaviors, eccentricities, etc., including by providing examples in day-to-day life and media rather than leaning into traditional tropes and emphasizing competitive, hierarchical modes of social organization. No one needs to be forced to be with anyone else in particular. But as changed … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 09:16 PM |
| 2 | R/menslib feels like so weirdDrawing this comparison is what got me permanently banned from that sub. And now here I am | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 11:43 AM |
| 22 | r/Ask a feminist 'hey, y'all think it's a heteronormative complex or what?'....Holy crap. That top comment chain... She never even makes a single argument. She just starts by declaring that she's definitionally right then unloads paragraph after paragraph of searing, emotionally charged rhetoric designed to shame others into compliance without any effort to meaningfully engage, let alone persuade, them. And judging by the vote totals, the majority of that sub completely agrees with both her position and her argumentative strategy. You're more patient than me, I'll give you… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 04:05 AM |
| 10 | Women are afforded a lot more leeway in what they can get away withThey're not asking in good faith. They hope you'll just be too tired or jaded to provide examples, which they can interpret as them winning, and if you do provide an example they'll just dismiss it and start the process over. Rinse and repeat until you give up and they "win." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 10:28 PM |
| 1 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Right, which is still largely contingent on the material provision for and cultural accomodation of women by men. Although I don't agree with everything about the red pill or what comes out of the "manosphere," their growing popularity suggests men are starting to reject that paradigm. I would argue one of the less harmful ways that might manifest is in concerted efforts in the cultural sphere to push back on the hyper-individualist, puritanical, consumerist mindset a lot of women have adopted i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOnce again you're not reading. You've misunderstood, or more likely just deliberately misinterpreted, me. I don't know why I'm still responding. This is silly. Until my next lapse in judgement where we end up chatting 🫡 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:37 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHey now that should be my line given this conversation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:31 PM |
| 1 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Maybe, maybe not. Most men have been taken in by feminist arguments that appeal to equality and provide for or accommodate women along those lines, but that could change as they start to understand the self-serving reality of how a lot of those arguments have manifested in the real world. The "supply and demand" in the dating market is almost entirely culturally determined. We still need each other and there are roughly equal numbers of us, after all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:30 PM |
| 1 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?You can do the same as has been done and continues to be suggested for men: change the cultural values they're inculcated with to alter the baseline expectations of the population over time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.Look up Project Cybersyn and Stafford Beer to get a little overview. If you want some more details, Beer has a lecture series that was broadcast by the CBC called Designing Freedom which you should be able to find public domain transcripts or even recordings of to listen to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:02 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDoes it ever make you stop and think for even a second when I can already tell you exactly what you're going to say before you even say it? So damn predictable. I refer you back to my comment a few up where you ignored almost everything I wrote to latch onto the first sentence, which you were wrong about, because you thought it was an easy gotcha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo. You didn't. The absolute arrogance. And now I can't wait for the next comment when you go back and check, realize what you just pulled out of your ass was wrong, and then say something like, "well it doesn't matter if I didn't quote you because I know what you meant anyway!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.Where does AI even come into this? Once again, are you actually familiar with the idea or just riffing off what you think the label means? Also if you're worried about AI, you should look at how capitalist automation is working right now, which is obviously much more directly oriented towards serving the interests of the elite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.Is that actually your understanding of the concept based on earnest examination and consideration, or are you just riffing on what you assume "cybernetic socialism" means and maybe a quick glance at a Wikipedia page? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo, that's not what I "literally said." I have no desire to explain to someone acting in clear bad faith what I actually meant if it's somehow not clear to you. Feel free to spend even a moment doing what I have to do with all of your comments and actually think about what I said to come up with another interpretation. Or don't. It doesn't affect me either way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 07:47 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadLol there we go! I'm not "cheating" anyone. Once again, just ham-fistedly throwing shaming labels at me won't do anything. Especially coming from just another constantly angry woman on this sub. But glad to see I could at least drag the truth out of you eventually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo, I kind of agree. That's why I said I'd just call it pragmatism. But Machiavellianism is a specific kind of political pragmatism that's weird to invoke here. Unless you just wanted to invoke the negative connotation it carries. Which you avoiding that point by trying to flip my question around and target it back at me strongly suggests was exactly what you were doing. Or maybe you're just not clear on what those terms mean, but to bastardize that dumb cliché, I prefer not to attribute to stup… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.Cybernetic socialism à la Stafford Beer? Since trying to use moral pressure to fix the world via individual consumer choices or convince entire populations of people to just vote out systems that they don't have the option to vote out, especially when forces opposed to them have orders of magnitude more military, economic, and propagandistic powers, which is a large part of why we're in this position in the first place, isn't viable. If it was, we could just convince everyone to immediately and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 06:39 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.I used to say that too but unfortunately that ain't gonna cut it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf you say so 🤷♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYikes. Considering the first sentence in the article links to their dissection of anxious attachment, I'd say it maybe just hit a little close to home? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged....but I'm very certain that it is the strongest reason. I agree. I just wanted to point out that there are reasons to be concerned about it even if most of the people you hear complaining about it are just racist asshats. As for the second paragraph, it sounds like we're on different planets philosophically/politically so I doubt we're going to be able to do much besides agree to disagree here. Edit for your edit: are we using "social security" differently? To be clear, I'm in the US and social… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat Megathreadhttps://www.envisionwellness.co/dismissive-avoidant-attachment-in-adults/#:~:text=To%20a%20person%20with%20a,like%20work%20or%20favorite%20hobbies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.it will cause mass immigration and I don't like brown people You can be worried about mass immigration for better reasons than that. "Brain drain" already has detrimental effects on peripheral regions and increased migration to core regions will only exacerbate that. Additionally, with that band-aid "solution" available to core powers, there will be less incentive for those with the capacity to make changes that benefit all of humanity to actually do so. Similar to the issue of climate change-in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.We absolutely do have to automate everything we can and prepare to the future with no pensions though. Well then I hope you're fighting to tear down capitalism or the world of automation we get will look a hell of a lot closer to Elysium than to Star Trek. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:38 PM |
| 2 | If men don’t pay for dates are they willing to change their preferences for the sake of equality?Lol men's clothes that look good and fit cost money. Men's grooming products and services cost money. A gym membership to stay fit and attractive costs money. Being willing and able to "take the lead" or "show initiative" the way most women want in dating comes with a necessary investment of time and effort. This is some corporate lawyer-level contrived nonsense. You're spending wayyyy too much time thinking about this, especially for someone who's married. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:13 PM |
| 2 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?It's so funny how many women are willing to decry men's preferences they don't like as socially or culturally inculcated perversions which ought to be discouraged or changed but when it comes to their own "there is nothing you can do." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:08 PM |
| 2 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Ehhhhh, I feel like maybe 20 years ago or so was the peak. Sex negativity has been on the rise again the past few years, especially among Zoomers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:03 PM |
| 9 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Because of this, treating a Submissive well actually takes a lot of work, creativity and empathy, because you have to keep track of your own pleasure as well as the state of mind of your Sub. You have to bring them TO a point of pleasure, and then also provide AFTERCARE while they're in that liminal sub-space after sex. This is 100% true and I think it's part of why you see far more men than women dom(me)s. Men are generally expected to be the active partner in sex to a far greater degree than w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:58 PM |
| 3 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?Sounds like projection to me. Or you've just had VERY bad luck with guys | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:40 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI'm pretty sure Niccolo never talked about red and blue pills. Like I said, I'd just call it pragmatism. I feel like the only reason you want to insist on calling it Machiavellianism is the negative connotation, but again, to an actual Machiavellian that type of social shaming would be irrelevant so I'm really not sure what your point is here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:37 PM |
| 2 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?See it's funny because I've heard from at least as many women that the "fake friends" are the ones who cut off contact after getting rejected | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI mean, if you really think I'm a Machiavellian then you ought to realize trying to shame me over it is a waste of effort. I'd just call it pragmatism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:32 PM |
| 8 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?I end up leaning more and more towards this every day, it seems. But I'm still here in part because I'm not completely convinced that's true and want to find out what I might be missing, if there's something I'm missing. If all else fails, that process will at least make me more confident that what I think is correct is actually correct. Similar to why I still listen to arguments from neolibs | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:50 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe life is generally easier as a single person?I mean, going by how you want to define "easier" in your first paragraph, sure, probably. But by the same token, death is easier than life so I'm not sure how valuable the question is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYes I'm aware that's generally what the split is but I asked why. Like it's perfectly common and seemingly acceptable to treat certain preferences men tend to have as influenced by toxic patriarchal culture or media. Do you think there's any room for a similar analysis of women's preferences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:28 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat seems like a weird copout for something as inconsequential as texting style. Particularly when the lack of other "feminine" traits is so often touted as a reason for men struggling in dating or relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:22 AM |
| 13 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?So how do you think a man should approach a woman he's attracted to? Because it seems like the implication of all this taken together is, "he shouldn't." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:07 AM |
| 9 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?Yeah so my takeaway listening to women in aggregate is that you should just never approach them but they don't seem to want to say that. But that obviously doesn't match reality which is why it's hard for me to take any of these responses at face value (Inb4: "cuz women aren't a monolith!" Well sure, but thats just an argument for doing whatever and not listening to their takes online anyway) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNah the best move is to project "blue pill" while thinking "red pill." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:56 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThey're not using "left" the way we do. They probably mean liberal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:55 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe Philosophy Scare by John McCumber My Year of Rest and Relaxation by Ottessa Moshfegh Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:50 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWhy is it unattractive for a man to do something the way a woman (stereotypically) does? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadPot, kettle 🤝 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:42 AM |
| 14 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?So what do you say to the seemingly equally popular notion from women that men who approach friends romantically were/are abusing the concept of friendship or being dishonest about their intentions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:37 AM |
| 4 | I honestly just don't get the complainingI should be allowed to complain that I should be able to invest like people did back then and reap the same rewards today. Sounds reasonable to me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Is personality more important to men or women?So. Answer. My. Question. Will you accept a survey of men that reveals they largely don't consider themselves misogynistic? Because if not you have to either 1) deny that that would be the likely result of that survey, which, LOL or 2) admit that self-reported data especially on subjective questions like social attitudes are FAR from definitive which would mean that survey someone cited above is hardly definitive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadFear is not apolitical and women are very good at weaponizing it. Carolyn Bryant is the prototypical example but you see fear invoked CONSTANTLY to render subjective beliefs beyond questioning. It's also a great way to utilize what are supposedly patriarchal constructs (women are frail, dainty, child-like versions of people in need of protection) in order to advance agendas they find advantageous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI live right near a college campus and groups of women in the street shout just as much if not slightly more than groups of men in the street. This is some pseudo-psychoanalytic nonsense. It's just drunk, obnoxious children being drunk, obnoxious children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 12:44 AM |
| 2 | Is personality more important to men or women?Lol you're constantly, vaguely invoking math to justify your beliefs but as soon as I do that I'm some weird android? I'm starting to remember why I shouldn't engage with you. Subjective survey results are unreliable because they're subjective and people are consciously and unconsciously dishonest. Most people think they're above average drivers. I'll leave it to your superior understanding of statistics to figure out why that's necessarily nonsense. You literally won't even answer my question b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 12:40 AM |
| 2 | Is personality more important to men or women?Where would this conversation be if I didn't steel-man your arguments for you... So is your point supposed to be that my point is invalid because the right questions would reveal what the "wrong" questions won't? I didn't bother with that because it applies just as well to questions about romantic preferences or anything else. Also just linking the Wikipedia page for statistical sampling is hardly making that point. It just feels like tossing out a vaguely related reference for the sake of tossi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 12:00 AM |
| 3 | Is personality more important to men or women?I feel like you think you're making a clever point here but all I'm getting is that ignored my question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Is personality more important to men or women?Run a broad-based survey across demographics of men with a statistically significant sample size asking if they're misogynistic. I'd bet any amount of money the result of that survey is that no, most men aren't misogynists. Are you going to accept that result? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?Lol what?? Where in the world did you get, "the rest of your comment appears to be just you complaining about abortion without actually using the word abortion??" I won't even bother entertaining the idea that the abortion debate is dominated by men. Unless you consider a conservative Supreme Court to equal "the debate." I don't know where all your projections are coming from, but they're not from me. Feel free to dig through my comments and you'll find me very explicitly laying out that I think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?If this is your perspective, then we have very, very different ideas of what constitutes "mainstream society." Women's issues are taken very seriously at all levels of the corporate world, media, and government by one "side" and the social acceptance of that fact is so strong that even the other "side" still has to pay lip service to that idea by framing their opposition in the language of caring for and supporting women. Even neo-imperialism is now retroactively justified by appeals to feminism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 10:21 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?Literally the only places you "constantly" hear about men's issues like that are spaces like this or, like, manosphere podcasts which are all either completely ignored or universally reviled and dismissed in mainstream discourse. If you think there's anywhere close to parity on the seriousness with which men's and women's issues are taken by the social body at large, I'd say you're spending too much time in niche echo chambers like this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?I will say personally I was much closer to "blue pill" beliefs for a long time. Politically, ideologically, philosophically, they just came more naturally to me. I've ended up very, very reluctantly accepting more "red pill" beliefs based on my real life experiences with women. I know, anecdotes are anecdotes, but I don't think it always plays out the way you're presenting it here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:49 PM |
| 1 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenGotcha. Lucky | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:32 PM |
| 1 | There is a correlation between women's gravitation towards Dark Triad personality traits, and their propensity for being victimsI hadn't heard that angle on the religious types before but it makes sense. But I also know plenty (well, "plenty") of women who've had those kinds of fantasies or been into masochism who didn't have that background. As a switch, it's much easier in my experience to find women who want to be tied up and hit than do the tying and hitting. I agree broadly that you can usually learn some interesting things about people from their kinks/fetishes. Dr. Freud rears his coke-addled head once again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:26 PM |
| 8 | There is a correlation between women's gravitation towards Dark Triad personality traits, and their propensity for being victimsIt seems very strange to fantasize about something you don't want in some way. You might be able to rationalize why you think it wouldn't be realistic or would come with undesirable consequences, but if someone is fantasizing about something then by definition that seems to imply that they are least partially want it. (And just to preempt the bad-faith readings I suspect are coming: that does NOT mean in this case that it's ok to rape or SA a woman, even if she fantasizes about it in some way. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenÀ la prochaine ❤️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:52 PM |
| 5 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenIt's funny how even when I mention my own sexual experiences you're still just projecting "bittter incel/virgin" on my comment. None of this is a response to what I said. You may've used the word "keep" in your last comment, but that's not what the conversation was about up to that point. But it's pretty clear you don't actually want to engage here. You're just angry at a caricature you've conjured up in your head. so I figure this will be my last response here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:48 PM |
| 3 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenNo I'd say that's better off just being called good or bad sex. I think OP said what they said because they were specifically trying to capture how much the characteristics of a particular set of genitals affect whether sex is good, bad, or ehh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:21 PM |
| 6 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenI find that hard to believe. Keep? Maybe. But get? It's not like you can advertise it in advance and expect to get anywhere. Unless maybe you're super hot? But like, I've made every partner I've ever been with cum and know how to use my mouth, but I seriously doubt just putting that in my Tinder bio would have models suddenly messaging me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:18 PM |
| 11 | Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this?What does "justified" mean? Do I think she should be thrown in jail or branded with a scarlet letter? No. Is it a sleazy thing to do that will make me almost certainly lose interest? Yes. She should be upfront that that's what she's doing if that's what she's doing and volunteer that information early on. Keeping it secret and falling back on, "well you could be doing the same thing," if/when it's revealed is just lying by omission. The only reason not to reveal that information early and volunt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 07:58 AM |
| 3 | "conditional femininity" vs "conditional masculinity"Sure the standards change but their point is whatever the standards are at a particular time, men will be ostracized for deviating from them. There's no reason that's inconsistent with those standards not being fixed across time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 07:50 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.It absolutely does. Unless you think pro-choice has nothing to do with raising a child. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.It's a lazy, loaded question. Because you and I both know we can both find people with and without lived experiences in particular instantiations of any system who have any different opinions on that system. But I'm not just going to listen to a bunch of 80-year-old Cubans in Miami, for example, and uncritically take on their opinions because they lived in Cuba at some point. Unless you're much stupider than I assume, you understand why you're making a lazy, nonsense argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:30 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Not sure what your point is | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:22 PM |
| 2 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Like I said, we could trade anecdotes all day. But it's very clear to me you're not here to be convinced or to even try to convince, only to bludgeon. If there's no one else, I'd literally rather just go to sleep at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:19 PM |
| 1 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I've had these arguments before. In practice? No, I'm not a communist. Just like liberals under feudalism weren't practically liberals and feminists under patriarchy weren't practically feminists and on and on and on. But I believe in the potential for a better world than the one that dominates now. A trait common to everyone who birthed any idea you consider valuable. Your lazy imperialist apologia and naivete wrapped in historical fatalism are nothing new. I come to this sub in part because I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:16 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Whatever you want to tell yourself | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:07 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Do you think working to support someone against your will doesn't violate bodily autonomy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:06 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If you believe that then don't call it pro-choice. Because clearly "choice" is not actually what's important to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:04 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Oh spare me. We could trade anecdotes all day. If all you've got against universalizing the principle of choice when it comes to raising a child is, "raaaahhhhh communism EVVIIIILLLLLL!!!," I'm confident enough in my position to leave it here. You sound like a perfect example of the kind of liberal that's only interested in weaponizing the language of freedom to advance and secure their own privileged position. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:02 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/192asvm/debate_a_man_should_be_allowed_to_opt_out_being_a/kh17vc5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:55 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Lol always nice to confirm the self-righteousness here just comes from selfish ideology Edit: why'd you cut out the part where you just called me an idiot? Stand behind your convictions, coward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:52 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.You're making an arbitrary judgement based on personal preferences and one-sided perceptions. I'm arguing with people right now who are making your case better than you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:47 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Women are taking more responsibility than men. Hardly seems like a fair claim when only one gender gets an opt out option. Imagine how fucked we be if women abandoned their responsibilities as often as men. Sounds like you don't consider opting for an abortion "abandoning responsibility." How can a choice that ultimately (and I think rightly) belongs only to women be something men bear any responsibility for? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:42 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Yes. I'm a communist. I think abortions should be part of universal healthcare and no child should suffer unnecessary consequences or reap exorbitant privileges based on the random financials of where they're born. That's a hell of a lot better use of tax money than, for example, sending aircraft carriers and cargo planes full of guns to support an apartheid regime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:38 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.People? Or men? Because one I just ideologically disagree with. The other I ideologically disagree with AND betrays a blatant double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:30 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.The responsibility for that falls on both parents, as is right. Nope. This is some nuclear family-centric, capitalist ideology. If you REALLY believe that a pair of biological parents are essential for a child's well-being, then I don't see why you'd want an unenthusiastic set of parents where at least one of them is trapped by the law. And this also sets the bodily autonomy argument for abortion in general on much shakier grounds. Since now you need to base it on some ultimately arbitrary point… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:29 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So do you think women should have the right to choose to abort a baby? Because if you do, I stand by everything I've said. If not, I disagree with you, but at least you're not necessarily a hypocrite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:02 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If a woman keeps a baby she is also financially responsible. If the woman has the ultimate choice in whether or not to carry a baby to term (which I believe she should) then the man should have the choice not to support her materially if he doesn't want that baby. See my other comments here for the "think about the child" argument. There are plenty of other better, more impactful things to worry about if the well-being of an arbitrary child is actually your main concern, most of which I support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:58 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So like I said, we disagree. Depending on how you want to frame it, I'd either say a fetus doesn't need the same consideration as a living person, or an unborn person just isn't as important as a person who has been born. You seem to disagree with that, but at least consistently. So I'm ok leaving it there. It's inconsistency and hypocrisy that really bother me. Of course I can already feel someone mixing this up with some other comments I've made trying to point out other people's hypocrisy, so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:54 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So what do you think about abortion rights for women? If you're anti-choice and consistent, then fine. We just disagree. It's being blatantly hypocritical that ticks me off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:39 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.It's communist to suggest the collective inherently owes individuals something other than negative freedom. And in case you missed the flair, I'm a communist. So I don't mean that as an insult. Just a wake-up call. It's anti-choice to say some people are "responsible" for actions they participate in and shouldn't have the choice to opt out of them because you think they deserve certain consequences for those actions. And it's anti-choice AND hypocritical if you think they ought to only apply to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:37 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If you want to make the argument that society owes kids, or anyone for that matter, stop being a pussy and become a communist. If you want to make the "sex has the risk of consequences and you accept them by having it" argument, stop being a pussy and admit you're anti-choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:29 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Basically. Also I think this might be the first time I've been mistaken for a woman here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:15 PM |
| 2 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Babies come from two people. I know you know this but apparently you want me to spell it out. Every single argument you're tossing out for "responsibility" is EXACTLY what forced birth advocates use against women and I GUARANTEE you dismiss them in that context. Which is why every time I highlight that point, even with explicit examples, you ignore it. Or you're too just stupid to see the obvious parallel, but I don't believe that. I think you're a hypocrite. If it's possible to interpret my ton… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 12:45 PM |
| 3 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.do we have to go round this again? If by "this" you mean pointing out the hypocrisy of using arguments taken WORD FOR WORD from the anti-choice playbook, apparently we do. I've literally said NOTHING about controlling women's bodies. Go ahead and try to find a single place where I have. You're just tossing out that line without even thinking about it despite your hypocritical stance being nothing but an attempt to control men's bodies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 12:23 PM |
| 1 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Irrelevant to the discussion if it doesn't have any bearing on it. If you want to pretend it's "just" an opinion with no bearing on what we're talking about, then it's as irrelevant to the discussion as my favorite gin. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 12:07 PM |
| 3 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Why is something someone's responsibility if they get no choice in it? Pregnancy only happens to the woman. If there's a stalemate about pregnancy, she gets to decide. That decision power means it's HER responsibility if she chooses to carry a baby a man doesn't want. Not his. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 12:04 PM |
| 2 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Then that was an irrelevant opinion to insert | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:57 AM |
| 6 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If a couple used a condom but still got pregnant, it’s still up to both of them to sort, I don’t know why your not understanding this? No, as it stands, this is not how it works. If there's disagreement about the pregnancy anywhere with "pro-choice" laws on the books, the woman gets to decide. I'm in favor of making the rules ACTUALLY pro-choice and giving men the option of opting out of a woman chooses to continue a pregnancy when he doesn't want to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:53 AM |
| 1 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So you're not pro-choice then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:50 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I'm literally in here arguing with a bunch of hypocrites that men SHOULD have a choice as well as women. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:40 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.What?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:39 AM |
| 4 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.And yet the only person you seem to be telling to "take responsibility" is the man. A stance I'd bet just about anything you utterly reject when it's applied to a woman. Yet you want to act like that's not hypocritical. So in light of OP's hypothetical, if a man we're to say he used a condom but chose not to instead and got a woman pregnant, would you be ok forcing her to raise that baby because even if he wasn't honest, she could've done more to take responsibility for herself? And if they did … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:38 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I'm pro-choice. That's all that needs to be said. If you want to say, "I'm pro-choice except bla bla bla arbitrary moral exceptions," you're not pro-choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:26 AM |
| 3 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If it's your responsibility, you get a say in whether or not you have it. If a man wants a woman to carry a baby that she doesn't want to carry, that biological inequity means she should get to make the call. If a man doesn't want to raise a baby that a woman wants to keep, that biological inequity is gone and he deserves just as much right to opt out as she does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:24 AM |
| 3 | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Being forced to slave away to provide for a child you didn't want isn't any more giving men control of their bodies than it is when it's forced on women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:11 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.None of this has any bearing on what I've said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:59 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So should babies be confiscated from women under a certain income level? If "forcing babies to live in poverty" is your concern? I assume you're also just as much a crusader against education being funded by local property taxes? In fact, if the income the baby has access to is your concern, then surely the man's income being low is just as much of a problem and you're in favor of significant, global wealth redistribution to help the millions of babies forced to live in poverty right now regardl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:55 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I see you avoiding my point. I'm not avoiding anything. I'm refusing to let up on highlighting the blatant hypocrisy here. it’s unfair to dump a human being on someone that potentially can’t care for them, can’t afford them, and is likely going to fuck them up. Agreed, which is why men should be just as free as women to opt out of an unwanted pregnancy. but why should only woman have to deal with the fallout of both their mistakes? I've already said it here, but I'll repeat: I'm 100% pro-choice.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:45 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So do you think women should only be allowed to get abortions under certain arbitrary conditions? Or do you consider yourself pro-choice? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:38 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Ok, so if they don't need a man's money to survive, it shouldn't be a problem if he opts out of giving it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:31 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So then you're in favor of forced examinations and arbitrary "responsibility" checks for abortions I assume? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:30 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I'm 100% pro-choice. The logic I see being used here to justify punishing men when they don't want to raise a child is nakedly inconsistent with that position and every single reason given to try and justify that comes STRAIGHT from the forced birth playbook. It's astonishing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:21 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Not a single newborn or infant can survive on its own. Not for years. Are you SURE you believe in this line of reasoning? Are you really sure? Because by this logic someone should be able to give birth to a live baby then throw it in a dumpster if they don't want it without consequence because it's a "parasite" that can't survive on its own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:18 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Congratulations, you're using literally the EXACT same logic as the crusaders against abortion rights. "They should've taken responsibility and kept their legs closed." It's incredible that you either don't see or don't care about the blatant hypocrisy here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:15 AM |
| 3 | Why don’t the men here do speed dating?Because she's to be implying there's a parity between a man and a woman who are unsatisfied with speed dating. I think speed dating presents other issues, but just on that one specifically, I think men STILL don't need to be as picky as women even if both of them are rejecting the same number of people at a speed dating event. Like you said, both are likey there because they "struck out" for whatever reason in more conventional areas. For a man, that's not terribly difficult. He can be fairly no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 05:51 AM |
| 1 | Why don’t the men here do speed dating?No..? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 05:42 AM |
| 2 | Why don’t the men here do speed dating?As others have suggested, attending speed dating suggests that neither the men or the women have found what they want in other, more socially acceptable/popular places. I'd argue this is a MUCH harder position to land in as a woman than as a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 05:28 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadLiterally just anything that doesn't cause logistical problems. I'm 6'0 and the shortest I've been with was like 5'1 or 5'2. It made... certain activities just physically difficult. I don't in theory have a problem with a woman taller than me but it's never happened. Ideally I prefer someone within a few inches of me because height parity makes physical compatibility easier in my experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/24 07:21 PM |
| 9 | Could be the uprise of men being bad or abusive partners be a result of men leaving the dating scene?I know what you're trying to get at, but I would argue the concept of "bad" you're invoking is not very scientific. It seems like more of a normative judgement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 12:31 PM |
| 11 | Could be the uprise of men being bad or abusive partners be a result of men leaving the dating scene?So again, what does "self improvement" mean here if not "conform to societal expectations?" Setting socioeconomic pressures aside, I can even phrase a lot of the things that joining a gang might bring in terms that are more typically associated with "self improvement:" confidence, bravery, fitness, ability to read and respond to social cues, and business acumen all jump immediately to mind. The downside is the law will quite likey come and crush you sooner or later which is what leads to "bad ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 11:03 AM |
| 19 | Could be the uprise of men being bad or abusive partners be a result of men leaving the dating scene?So when you say "self improve" here, what I hear is "conform to societal expectations." Particularly given you tie it up with women "fit[ting] in" and use joining a gang as an example of a man taking a "shortcut" instead of self improving. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 10:16 AM |
| -1 | CMV/Debate: In this society, neurotypicals who don't follow red pill or intense self improvement ideology are wasting their genetic potentialThe red pill, to be successful requires nuance which is something autistic people don't have. What a black-and-white way to view reality | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Is a reproductive draft on the horizon?I'd argue that's not really "voluntary" when the "incentives" are mathed out in advance to achieve a particular outcome based on the socioeconomic conditions imposed on a population. It's stochastic coercion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 09:14 PM |
| 0 | Is a reproductive draft on the horizon?voluntary incentives I mean, "voluntary incentives" like that really just boil down to using the market to force the poor to shoulder whatever burden the society wants to impose without acting like they're imposing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 08:41 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo worries | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:34 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe naturalistic fallacy is considering something valuable or good because it's natural. The leap from empirical observation to normative judgement is the fallacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:33 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou seem to agree with me and then disagree? Regardless, I'm not a fan of the naturalistic fallacy. Particularly in a technologically advanced society inundated with propaganda, I think a tendency towards conformity can cause at least as much harm as good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:30 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMost people are conformists but it definitely seems to come more naturally to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:12 AM |
| 7 | The discussion surrounding the chore gap is missing a major question DiscussionCleaning while you cook is a total game changer. Especially if you're working without a dishwasher. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:00 AM |
| 6 | The persistent myth of the "second shift"First of all, the graph you're pulling from at the very top of that article seems strange. Wage work + house work + care work is the same total number of hours for men and women, with leisure showing a 2 hour per week difference. But that begs the question of where those 2 extra hours are coming from. What are the women doing in that time? It's not stated. Second, the data is aggregated across couples from ages 25 to 64. I'd love to see it broken down into smaller age categories. I'd bet older c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadConvenient | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI feel like if you thought this line of reasoning through for just a few moments you'd realize you obviously don't believe it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadA weird amount of Zoomers are super puritanical and repressed about sex. Like, to the point that their grandparents would probably be rolling their eyes. It's bizarre. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 10:24 PM |
| 5 | How many men here would agree to be homemakers, caregivers AND breadwinners as many married women are?Even just running with this WILDLY unflattering and unrealistic hypothetical "reversal" I'd say sure, but I'm not working full-time anymore. $150,000 per year plus maybe a part-time income from me seems like more than enough. The question is would OP be ok with that? Because as long as we're playing this game, I bet plenty of men in the """normal""" arrangement would be fine with their wife not working full-time. Something tells me OP wouldn't though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 10:15 PM |
| 3 | Many women are actually quite distrustful of other women, they just defend the sisterhood in front of menDon't bother with this one. You'll get dragged into the pits of irrational Hell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 08:34 PM |
| 4 | Inexperience in older men is a disadvantage, not a death sentenceThere's no way for women to "know" a lot of what they consider red flags for certain, especially early on. So what they'll do, as they frequently make clear in this sub, is devise absurdly sensitive tests to weed out anyone who potentially holds one of those "red flags" regardless of how many false positives it also generates because from a position of abundance, that collateral damage doesn't hurt them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 08:20 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIt's a loose analogy for capitalism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 04:04 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe communist undertones. Or maybe the love triangle 🤷♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 03:10 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSee: Margaret Thatcher | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 11:39 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBiological reductivism and the naturalistic fallacy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 11:34 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf that's "grooming" then so is every Disney movie with a hetero romance plot. It's funny how the same thing can be viewed as completely benign or dangerous purely depending on if it's normalized or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 11:31 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAnd here's a response to Hayek to consider as well: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/6062/1/MPRA_paper_6062.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiv7tPV2L-DAxXsOkQIHanPBToQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw18KFiIYbgCUY6Pj0Capxlj You might also look into cybernetic socialism for a slightly different angle. Stafford Beer and the Cybersyn project would be a good place to start. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 09:57 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadJesus didn't make you get a bid | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 09:51 PM |
| – | CMW: Most women have little to offer a high value man in a long-term relationshipjust because I'm aware of it doesn't mean I can change it. I feel the same way about some traits I have (although who really knows, right) but I also feel like a good amount of self-reflexivity can at least help me keep that in check and make having/evaluating interactions much easier. After being told I needed to more-or-less do that by a past gf, I think I have, but one of the things I realized is how few people, men, women, or whatever, do the same. I find that kind of awareness attractive al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 09:03 PM |
| – | CMW: Most women have little to offer a high value man in a long-term relationshipI am sexist and tend to project this on men and then be angry with them. I think this might be the first time I've heard a (I assume) woman admit this on this sub, so brownie points to you for introspection and self-awareness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 08:39 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Then why do women lean so heavily on the idea that they're constantly in danger as a way to rebuff men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 08:33 PM |
| 4 | So, is talking to women at bars just… over?It's a conveniently self-verifying claim. If a guy is upset about being rejected, that just mean he has a gross "entitled" attitude which women can ostensibly always pick up on and which also means he was some version of a threat/red flag and deserved it. If he's not upset (or doesn't show he's upset) about a rejection, same actual outcome but now no one needs to think about him because no one sees him. It's just a good excuse for never needing to have empathy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 08:24 PM |
| 17 | So, is talking to women at bars just… over?In my experience, basically yeah. Live in a big urban area with plenty of bars and people around my age. Almost always, people are being social in bars within their own groups. There's very, very rarely any kind of crossover. Even at the end of the night the most you'll usually get is some casual exchanges of cigarettes as people wait for rides. Otherwise people are just huddled in their groups or staring at their phones waiting for their Uber. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 08:15 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadPretty much agree with all this. The "real" leftists are few and far between these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 09:03 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat's why you really gotta sell how into it you are. Really go to town. Get sloppy. Make it seem like you're almost on the edge of losing control. Look up into her eyes every now and then. And do something with your hands. Depending on her the best thing might be grabbing her legs or hips, playing with her boobs, or even just holding her hand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 09:00 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat Megathreadleft wing vs right wing, but the rich and powerful elite vs us ordinary people. I know what you're getting at, but this is just what being ACTUALLY left-wing is about | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 08:55 AM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseBruh the 19th century stuff is basically all German. The French lefty shit is 20th 😂 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:44 AM |
| 8 | Is there a double standard when it comes to women and men being single? Does one have it worse than the other?Oh yes, prejudice is famous for disappearing as long as there's ample material evidence to the contrary 🙄 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:27 AM |
| 2 | Why do women assume that all women are good?Both those things could be explanations (at least partially) for each other. You asked for other ideas and I gave you some. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:26 AM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseKeep being mad | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:25 AM |
| 0 | Why do women assume that all women are good?I'm willing to bet that's true but not to the same degree or with the same manifestations. And that's why culture isn't the only thing I mentioned. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:46 AM |
| 7 | Why do women assume that all women are good?Perpetuation of it as a cultural norm ingrained by media, peers, and authority figures since youth? Women's naturally higher propensity for conformity? The human impulse to bond as an in-group by the very act of defining themselves in opposition to an out-group? Plenty of things probably contribute. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:37 AM |
| 10 | Is there a double standard when it comes to women and men being single? Does one have it worse than the other?Man, I'm tired of being held to the harshest Zoomer standards while being judged by the worst Boomer behaviors. I've been neater/tidier than every woman I've dated since like 22. When they're in their own spaces, they don't hesitate to talk about how messy their bedrooms/bathrooms are or how nasty public women's restrooms are. This trope just gets trotted out like it's a fact whenever they need to go on the offensive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:33 AM |
| 10 | Why do women assume that all women are good?Are you sure that's why women have a strong in-group bias? Or could that be a rationalization most learn after already having developed that bias? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Why do women assume that all women are good?She's a cop | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:22 AM |
| 1 | Double standard with “bum partners”?Men. Men have. Unless you want to write off the last century of progress the feminist movement has made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf you're not allowed to be upset because someone always has it worse than you then you're not allowed to be happy because someone always has it better than you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 04:53 AM |
| 1 | How low would autistic guys have to set their standards, if women only date up?When it comes to intersectionality, only two "count": race and gender. The others, like poverty or disability, only count if you check one of those boxes. Commies care (at least the good ones) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 04:30 AM |
| 8 | Some men aren't fit to reproduce or date and it's okay to say thatEvolution doesn't "say" jack. The people who try to impose a hierarchy or a teleology on evolution do. And those people are called eugenicists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexLike I said, you've clearly worked yourself up to the point that no dissenting perspective could pierce your narrative. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with it in any kind of real relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 12:24 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell you just made it a debate before telling me I shouldn't make it into a debate, but fine. We can leave it here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 12:08 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOh hey, we've got a Georgist now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:57 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadShe 100% can if she wants to | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:56 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHave the demos of this sub been changing? I haven't been here too long but it feels like in like the last few weeks to maybe a month there's way more comments from and support for the BP/fem "side" and even pretty hostile rad fem/"pink pill" stuff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexWell you've clearly picked up enough catch phrases and nightmare hypotheticals to make sure you never need to consider anyone else's point of view. I'm glad we're not in a relationship if this is how you think or talk to a partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:33 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadEyeliner. Only super hot guys can get away with it and not be perceived as ridiculous | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHave the demos of this sub been changing? I haven't been here too long but it feels like in like the last few weeks to maybe a month there's way more comments from and support for the BP/fem "side" and even pretty hostile rad fem/"pink pill" stuff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexAnd I didn't say you did either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:26 PM |
| 4 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sex"Needs," or wants? I don’t care [about] you as long as you prove that you don’t care about me. Ok, then why shouldn't a man be able to say the same thing? If you're not meeting his "needs," why should he go out of his way to meet expectations you have that he doesn't share? Let me be doubly clear: A male person doesn’t get access to my body while trying to disconnect my body from my sense of peace and emotions. You need "access to his body" to meet whatever standards you seem to have for your "s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:22 PM |
| 3 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexa little something Conveniently unfalsifiable | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexIt's crazy that they're pushing back on you when they're literally saying this exact same thing about a man having problems with a woman in a relationship IN THIS SAME THREAD. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18v63ig/nobody_ever_died_from_the_house_not_being/kfpg8gj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexI'd say this is basically where I land as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexWomen: women aren't a hivemind!! woman expresses opinion that doesn't perfectly align with online orthodoxy: Women: are you sure you're a woman..? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:00 PM |
| 3 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexWell I've heard from a lot of women who I suspect would frame that as rape since "compliant consent" is definitionally different from "enthusiastic consent." Not saying I believe they reflect all women's attitudes but they're a loud and significant presence and it seems disingenuous to just write them out of existence for convenience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:43 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadEmpathy can be a great weapon | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHave the demos of this sub been changing? I haven't been here too long but it feels like in like the last few weeks to maybe a month there's way more comments from and support for the BP/fem "side" and even pretty hostile rad fem/"pink pill" stuff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseWhy does it need to be foreign? "Luckily" there's an abundance of excess wealth hoarded in the US already. So it could easily just be redsitributed domestically. International redistribution of wealth –and more importantly, control of productive assets– is necessary where colonialism, imperialism, and their neo-varieties have lead to conditions like those seen in Haiti. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseCheck out Thomas Pogge and his concept of the moral egregiousness of poverty. He's a Rawlsian liberal out of Yale so not even a scary, scary commie! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:12 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseIt's a response to a systemic analysis of capitalism rather than the dogmatic position that how much wealth a person or firm is able to accumulate due to relative differences in economic and political power reflects their productivity and therefore dessert. Sure, there are baby commies who think it's all about just beheading the rich, but there are way more advocates for capitalism (who've had much better opportunities to learn otherwise) who violently despise the poor as lazy moochers always lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell that's a very comfortable belief, I'm sure | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:00 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOffer that deal to a bunch of red pill dudes if you believe that. Betcha they'd be more down than you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Would many men still remain anti marriage if new laws were created by getting a divorce harder and abolishing alimony except in truly legitimate cases?r/iamverybadass | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 05:46 AM |
| 2 | Would many men still remain anti marriage if new laws were created by getting a divorce harder and abolishing alimony except in truly legitimate cases?Also could be blamed on "liberalism run amok" just in a much more Marx-y sense | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 05:36 AM |
| – | What are some personal habits, traits or fashion choices that indicate that someone is trashy?So "trashy" just means "not a boring, cardboard conformist?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 03:42 AM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Well I guess I'll have to just take you at your word that you have extremely exacting appearance-based standards that also don't reflect any sort of rigid fantasy. Not sure how that works, but it seems to be the kind of unfalsifiable squared circle a lot of women on this sub want to project. 2x | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Do you think "fantasy" just means "literally visualizing something in your mind??" If I fantasize about a dream job, or a delicious meal, do you think that's what's happening?? Maybe I was too generous. Maybe you just actually ARE illiterate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!I've copied and pasted a response to this exact argument twice now. If you want to keep raging and pretending to be illiterate, fine, but I'm done if that's all you've got. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 01:12 AM |
| 3 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!And before you try to argue, "but my standards are just mine—it's not about chasing objectively extremely good looks," 1) your standards didn't just come out of your head so they're almost certainly closer to an empirical "objective" than not, even if universally objectively good looks aren't a thing, and more importantly 2) do you think men don't have some ideal fantasy in their heads too? Even if it's not universally the same fantasy? The difference is men seem much more willing to give a pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 12:49 AM |
| 3 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!That's... what I said? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 12:15 AM |
| 2 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Well I guess I'll have to just take you at your word that you have extremely exacting appearance-based standards that also don't reflect any sort of rigid fantasy. Not sure how that works, but it seems to be the kind of unfalsifiable squared circle a lot of women on this sub want to project. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Well just glossing over "wrong race" that sounds like you're confirming what I said. And before you try to argue, "but my standards are just mine—it's not about chasing objectively extremely good looks," 1) your standards didn't just come out of your head so they're almost certainly closer to an empirical "objective" than not, even if universally objectively good looks aren't a thing, and more importantly 2) do you think men don't have some ideal fantasy in their heads too? Even if it's not univ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 11:31 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Prejudice because 1) you're constantly referencing all men, not just me, which you directly admitted in your last comment but like most of your arguments, it seems that was just flinging another random thing at the wall to see what sticks and because 2) that's a total fabrication you've pulled out of your ass that has nothing to do with what I said. But I've written more than enough to feel fine not going around in this circle again when you inevitably ask in bad-faith what I did mean then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 11:25 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Who gives a shit? I'd rather violate some arbitrary Reddit nonsense than embrace baseless prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!I assume you want me to assume you're not just interested in looks, but if apps tell you so little of import from a profile, it would make sense to do what I said: swipe liberally or randomly and try to actually get to know the person to assess compatibility by personality rather than pictures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:41 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Keep shouting whatever contrived nightmare prejudices you fantasize about into the ether. Notice how this whole time I've been talking about you and you've been talking about men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:38 PM |
| 3 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!The OP is about attractiveness ratings. The comment I responded to said the percentage seemed high in OP. Looks are the obvious implication there. And given how many women in here are insisting that men take lousy pictures and have nothing to go on in their bios, the onus is on you if you want to demonstrate to me that looks aren't the primary driver for women on swiping apps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:35 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.I'm done going in this rhetorical circle with you. You can justify your desires to yourself however you like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!I don't see why that should be. A small, uneven starting population would even out if the inflow and outflow rates were similar for both genders, reducing the relevance of the initial state as the total populations grew. It also sounds like you're assuming once a man leaves he's gone for good whereas especially for Tinder, it sounds perfectly in line with reason and anecdotes from men and women for women to hop on, match with a very attractive guy, have a lousy experience and decide apps aren't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:31 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Obsession with wealth and status-seeking is careerism. You just want to pretend it's not even when you've explained multiple times you consider it essential for personal compatibility! Plenty of people don't find purpose or validation from that even if they have to work to survive. If you're incapable of acknowledging or seeing that it says more about you than me. And the fact you'd try and cite being in a relationship with an award-winning writer as PROOF that you're not compelled by status-see… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:26 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.What I said two posts ago>… but if I loved him obviously I would care about his efforts, interests, and goals whether I shared them or not. Which you added after saying you wouldn't be interested in someone who isn't interested in careerism. So great, "if I loved this guy that I've just explained I'd never be interested in to begin with because he doesn't share my values and goals, I'd care about him!" Hypothetical ass-covering that still boils down to you only being interested in someone if the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:12 PM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Is it possible that censuses focused on short windows of users miss the total user breakdown of apps over time? If most men need to spend a long time on apps to get any attention, it makes sense that the male population would grow relative to the female population. It seems women could make up a smaller proportion of the apps' populations at any given time since they can be in and out with someone much faster. But on a longer timescale the amount of men and women who use apps could quite conceiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:05 PM |
| 4 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!So women are only interested in extreme good looks then? If not, then you ought to just swipe randomly and let conversations with matches do their thing to reveal compatibility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 09:59 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.No, that's YOUR projection of only seeing interest as tied to YOUR particular expectations of someone's "achievements." Your hypothetical "boring" man could spend plenty of time away from you° wandering through the forest, engaging in activism, feeding pigeons, whatever! But you said you'd only be interested in him insofar as he matches a particular fantasy YOU desire which just so happens to align perfectly with the form of status seeking. That type of shallow materialism is largely orthogonal … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 09:46 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Such a man wouldn’t be interested in me, either, lab partner. We would be a bad match. I don’t want to entrap someone who doesn’t share my values and interests. Then why do you accuse ME of not caring about a woman's autonomy or happiness just because I stated a preference for someone I'd be compatible with, especially when I EXPLICITLY pointed out the values I'm basing that preference on I apply to all genders? But you don’t care if she shares her values and interests or if you are compatible a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:53 PM |
| 0 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!So are people just reducible to reproductive function or not? Are women nothing more than walking wombs or not? Clearly the answer depends on if it's rhetorically useful to you in a particular moment or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:48 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.I wouldn’t consider dating someone that boring So you DON'T care about his autonomy or happiness! You only care enough to want someone that conforms to YOUR vision of what YOU want, which just so happens to be necessarily tied with the primary avenue of prestige and status accumulation! You're such a transparent hypocrite! You're projecting onto me EXACTLY what it is YOU'RE doing! Incredible. I'm genuinely not sure if you're as deluded as these posts make you sound or just won't admit your own s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:44 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.So what if he had no career and was perfectly content with that? Would you still be interested in him and "his own identity?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:36 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18u43mo/young_attractive_women_live_life_on_easy_mode_why/kfln21n?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:34 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.It's an explanation of preferences, in response to your baseless accusation that all men's preferences are shallow. If you read, "I'm interested in... curiosity, creativity, compassion, empathy, and a wordly disposition," and decided that means I don't care about, "her happiness, her autonomy," that says more about your prejudices and biases than about me. Unless you're just using "happiness" and "autonomy" as euphemisms for chasing wealth and status, which I have no interest in or respect for r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:27 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Nothing but buzzwords completely detached from any content. All you've got are hollow, rhetorical cudgels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:10 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.What "conspiracy theory" am I promoting? Or is the article I cited somehow tainted because you were talking to that other guy first? Participate now, or admit you're just flailing because your ego is way far out ahead of any coherent thoughts you might have here. I don’t want to talk to yet another man who believes the world and his partner should revolve around him. Well I don't like being mischaracterized and dismissed by a bitter ideologue who's always got one more pointed jab to make with no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:06 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.You won't even read a few paragraphs so that doesn't surprise me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:56 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Of course not. Because you can't handle when people actually challenge your narrow perspective and biases. It's only those other folks that deserve to be chastised for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:55 PM |
| 1 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.https://progressive.org/public-schools-advocate/critical-flaw-behind-teacher-evaluations-greene-210203/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:52 PM |
| 2 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Now you're just reduced to mirroring? I could go and write several more paragraphs just based on that pathetic non-response where the made-up quote was three times as long as the single sentence of mine you ACTUALLY quoted, but it's pretty clear to me at this point you're not paying ANY attention to anything I say, tossing out whatever attacks leap immediately to mind, even if they contradict points you're making in other conversations at the exact same moment, so it would be a waste of time. Yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:49 PM |
| 2 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.THAT'S all you've got to say? Really?? I really should learn not to waste so much effort on you... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:27 PM |
| 2 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.If you want to go look at that priorities number post, you'll see I put education right up at the top of my list. I only hesitated somewhat there because when I say "education," I DON'T mean the prestige or economic value of credentialing. I want someone clever and cerebral with a wide base of knowledge and interests, but that has nothing necessarily to do with professional achievements or status, which is why "career" is much lower for me and "money making" is at the bottom. I don't think peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:12 PM |
| 1 | If a man is a late bloomer wouldn’t it be more natural for him to date down in age to where he would be more likely to find someone closer to him experience wise?Ok, so then are you actually having trouble finding men interested in you because you're a "late bloomer?" Because that seemed like the critical point you were disagreeing with that other guy on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 06:37 PM |
| 1 | Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room?So you don't "give XYZ reasons" then? And no, the "psychopathic" approach is continuing to play this game when if there's actually something so wrong with this person in your eyes that you want nothing to do with them, someone who's not completely averse to confrontation will simply say, "no." No ambiguity. No leaning on implication. Maybe men and women are simply different here, but I don't see why it needs to be a gendered trait. And that's dealing with this worst-case example of a person you'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:36 AM |
| 7 | If a man is a late bloomer wouldn’t it be more natural for him to date down in age to where he would be more likely to find someone closer to him experience wise?Then in all seriousness, what do you think the issue is? Because if you're anything remotely like "normal" I'd bet an absurd amount of money you could hop on a dating app right now and have more likes in an hour than I could in a month. Is it that no one is interested in you, or that no one who's up to your ideal standards is interested in you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:09 AM |
| 1 | Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room?How often do you list x, y, z reason? Because I can't say I've ever seen or experienced that. The only firm answer I've experienced in real life is the boyfriend excuse. Otherwise I've only ever seen or heard non-committal responses which can be easily interpreted as leaving room for further direct OR indirect persuasion. To add, I generally don't try to push things if a woman doesn't seem enthusiastic, but that always comes with the lingering suspicion that you missed some "obvious sign" that s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?In that case it seems that the existential perspective doesn't align with what the parent comment is suggesting. It reads to me as advising against interpersonal relationships as a source of happiness, at best suggesting they function as gravy on top of a somehow more fundamental, more stable, internally-sourced font of validation when to me they just seem like one more of an ultimately unrankable set of possible pursuits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Well then that's where I'd go back to the psychoanalytic points that there doesn't seem to be any such thing as "your own" happiness which isn't contingent on direct or indirect provision from others, either as individual providers in some way or as a cultural background for meaning making. It seems like in this context they're just trying to use it to suggest that deriving meaning from interpersonal relationships is the "wrong" way to create meaning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:53 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?I linked both because I was responding to that first response that seemed to be affirming the parent comment and using that Frankl quote as an attempt to justify or explain that affirmation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?This is the parent comment and this is the response to it bringing that Frankl quote into the discussion which I originally responded to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?If you mean that original comment, the universal ideal would be that whatever authenticity looks like it would need to be almost solipsistic in a way because anything else runs the danger of being fleeting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:33 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?I'm not sure how this connects to what I was asking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:28 AM |
| 3 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Counter-narrative: women are inclined for whatever reason(s) to be status-seekers and so expect climbing the social/financial hierarchy to also make them more desirable. Men are more interested in what are more like essential characteristics, which includes appearance but ALSO personality, and so aren't swayed as heavily by status factors. What you'd apparently consider shallow I and I think many men would consider being more interested in who a person is than in what they do or have, which seem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?I have in mind the original comment suggesting one ought to try and strive for a form of self-validation that's not dependent on others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:15 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Well existentialism requires that you are continually aware of your own freedom and you choose the narrative and can change it. So that sounds to me like offering an ideal end state for authentic being would run counter to the principles of existentialism. Does that seem correct? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:11 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?This doesn't sound too different from the psychoanalytic approach, but getting back to the original comment, it does seem to undermine at least the capacity for a purely self-driven "unification" of the subject and quite possibly also the universal desirability of such a thing. Without that symbolic cultural background against which to narrativize, it seems like even attempting some kind of cognizable unification would be impossible. From a Berlinian perspective, it would also seem undesirable t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 03:49 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?As I understand it, the Lacanian conception would be that there's no such thing as "authenticity" because authenticity implies an essential, substantive self when for Lacan, the self is nothing but a fundamental lack. So any positive conception of the self is just going to be a fantasy projected on the screen constituted by the imaginary and symbolic orders. I'm hardly a biological reductivist but as embodied subjects I don't think neurological evidence is irrelevant for exploring subjectivity. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 02:57 AM |
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| 37 | If a man is a late bloomer wouldn’t it be more natural for him to date down in age to where he would be more likely to find someone closer to him experience wise?I've seen it in lots of threads on this topic. It seems to be a pretty common attitude. The amount of women commenting on this post along the lines of, "do you think that's fair to the woman," when all they know about this hypothetical man is he's sexually/romantically inexperienced certainly seems to imply they consider it a flaw. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 02:25 AM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?You might be living life thinking you're free from societal influence but some ideology is influencing your actions still... Essentially even if the choice was conscious it could be determining/predetermined. Yes, this is precisely my point. I'm passingly familiar with all the figures you mentioned but the idea of an accessible core of authenticity is an issue I have with existentialism in general. I find something like a Lacanian view of authenticity as fantasy and the Self as ultimately a void… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 02:05 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?All that is saying is that as human beings we can choose stuff. By making a choice that is ours we are free from external things (e g. a drug addiction choosing to go for a run rather than take drugs) making the choice for us. When something that elicits a certain choice we can choose to take that action Ok well then I guess that's where I'd take issue. When are you "free" from external things? How would you even know? I also don't see how making a conscious choice doesn't necessarily imply free… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 01:06 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Responsibility without free will doesn't make sense to me. I haven't read any Frankl but if his conception of freedom is something like the freedom of the unconscious one can arrive at from a Freudian perspective, then I'd recognize that but say it doesn't seem to comport with the idea of freely choosing the original commenter seemed to be suggesting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:33 AM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Do you even logic? A hell of a lot better than you. I'm done going around in circles while you dance around your hypocrisy. Unless you've got something actually substantial to add, I'm confident enough that you're full of it at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:17 AM |
| 0 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Pathetic attempt at a diversion after the stupidity of your argument got called out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:14 AM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?What would you call "freedom and power to choose?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Are you trying to suggest that advertising algorithms send you things you explicitly ask for? That's not how that works AT ALL. The quintessential example is the teenage girl who started being sent ads and promotions for baby products before she even knew she was pregnant. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/amp/ I'm pretty confident you know this and are just continuing to argue in bad fai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?You can tell you're winning when you ignore 90% of what someone wrote to make pithy remarks on a couple cherry-picked sentences 🙄 Well yeah, they don’t apply to me because I don’t get those ads, ya know? Well by your ad hoc, inconsistent "logic," then you must be asking for nudes from random people since I don't get sent those. Predators. The word you are looking for is predators. If they're "predators," then the prostitutes sending me unsolicited nudes with the express intent of extracting a pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:50 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?I don’t dress provocatively and I’ve been leered at and followed around by men for existing in a goddamned store Literally just ignored the fact that I already addressed this argument because I knew you'd make it. You're so damn predictable. And lose contact with most of my family and my friends from school? Nope. Oh, so if there's consequences for you then suddenly tacit consent isn't good enough. Again, I literally predicted you'd make this exact argument. I’m aware that I’m the product of all… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:41 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?"If you don't want men leering at you, stop dressing a certain way." (Inb4: "why do you assume I'm dressing a certain way?" "Why do you assume I'm constantly browsing porn on Chrome?") But I'm sure that's not valid to you because tacit consent only applies to obscure TOS laid out by corporate platforms. Comments like this make it clear why so many corporations fill their HR departments with women. Speaking of which, if you don't like receiving DMs that are enabled by the structure of the platfor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:17 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?I doubt you are. But women like you love to use social shame as a rhetorical cudgel when they're out of actual arguments. Only it's not quite so powerful on an anonymous online plarform. Sorry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:04 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?I'm being very direct in calling you full of shit. You're doing it subtextually so you can pretend you're not as soon as anyone calls you out on it. Honestly I find that kind of cowardice more offensive than your sexism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:03 PM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Once again, if you actually read my comments I'm confident you'll be able to figure this out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:01 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Yeah, yeah, we've all seen Barbie. It's insane you think "contradictory expectations" are exclusive to women. Also if you think you'd rather fight on the front lines of a peer-to-peer war than get to stay home, I'm very confident you've never actually seen the reality of what that entails. Talk's cheap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:58 PM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Read my comments again and I'm confident you'll be able to figure that out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Well I feel you're full of shit and hiding behind the plausible deniability of subtext. If you think it's "fine" you wouldn't feel the need to tell them they're just mad and belittle their point. You also conveniently didn't comment on your truly absurd claim that "men just have to exist." It's clear enough to me you're not interested in acting in good faith. Take care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?The "inconsistency" is your completely ridiculous claim that "men just have to exist" hilariously contrasted with you having the temerity to accuse someone ELSE of just venting and wanting to be mad at the other gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:41 PM |
| 3 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Did you sErIoUsLy ignore the fact that I get unsolicited nudes literally dropped into my email?? The knots some of y'all will twist yourselves into to always be the victim, I swear... 🙄 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?So I assume Roe being overturned has nothing to do with men or patriarchy? It's just an "issue with the legal system?" you're just angry at women. This isn't about men really you just want to vent which is fine. What happens with women is we need to be a mother, equal financially mobile a sex symbol and a man's mother all in one. Men just have to exist. Who am I kidding? Consistency doesn't seem to be important to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?So I assume Roe being overturned has nothing to do with men or patriarchy? It's just an "issue with the legal system?" you're just angry at women. This isn't about men really you just want to vent which is fine. What happens with women is we need to be a mother, equal financially mobile a sex symbol and a man's mother all in one. Men just have to exist. Who am I kidding? Consistency doesn't seem to be important to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Lol this is ridiculous. Advertising has to ask for consent first in your mind?? Lately I've literally been getting ads for prostitutes full of naked pictures shared to my email as Google docs. That's just one of the ways this stuff comes in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Where do these things fall in priority to you?Some of these I'd have to quibble with the definitions of to be sure, but that caveat aside I'd probably say: M/late-20s 6, 3, 9, 1, 4, 8, 7, 5, 2 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 09:33 PM |
| 1 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodTo take another example from the OP comment: "Women hate vulnerability" --> "Women hate doing free emotional labour." Their point is that most women would probably reject the first framing but embrace the second. It seems like the only way to insist these are different things rather than different framings of the same thing is to define "vulnerable" such that it never manifests in a way that impacts or requires something of the woman. In that sense, "vulnerability" would be ok as long as it neve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 09:11 PM |
| 1 | Will AI boyfriends make males obsolete?At least based on their stated preferences, women would be a much better market for AI "companions" than men. Kind of ironic that they also tend to want to frame men as the more cold and inhuman of the sexes. As far as relationships go, women seem to continually demonstrate that they're the more calculating and transactional ones. You could optimize versions of all these factors for men too, and I think they'd be the ones who are much more likely to say, "yeah but it's not real." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:53 PM |
| 3 | Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room?Again, why does that have to be sexist? If when you say, "once another man steps in," you're talking about, say, a bouncer telling a guy to back off if he's harassing a woman who wants nothing to do with him, that's a concrete, material difference. If you're trying to insist that a man must just be sexist and only respect a man's right to his "property" or whatever because "I have a boyfriend" shuts down his interest faster, that's a framing preference you have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:46 PM |
| 1 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodThere's no necessary difference in how they manifest in reality. A simple test might be to ask if it would benefit the "dread game player" to pretend they're just "not codependent." If they're utterly different things as made clear by different concrete manifestations, that wouldn't work. As an analogy using the same test, would it benefit a corporation looking to emotionally manipulate it's employees into greater loyalty to pretend they genuinely care about them or consider them "part of the fa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:44 PM |
| 5 | Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room?This is a decent example of using framing to make something look a particular way in your mind. Why does this have to have a sexist underpinning for you? Which equally desirable candidate does it make more sense for a recruiter to pursue, one who's unemployed or one who has a job? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:36 PM |
| 0 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodAll the points in that first source (seemingly just a glorified blog post?) are exactly what I said: internal, unverifiable differences. I could just as easily frame their points as just saying, "you need to play the 'dread game' RIGHT!" Because there's no way to know the difference between resentful compliance and "authentically" catering to your needs other than external manifestations, but the post just talks about hypothetical feelings and how you ought to feel about those hypothetical feeli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodWell then those actions ought to manifest in material reality differently and if the only difference is something immaterial and unidentifiable like intention, it may as well be called Sin. To use a super hyperbolic example, I don't give much of a shit whether Hitler actually thought exterminating "lesser" races would usher in a new stable and prosperous era for Aryan society or if he was just a power-hungry, manipulative psycho willing to say whatever he needed to elevate himself. I care that h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodI'll consider that once one of you actually explains that difference instead of just implying the person who disagrees with you is too simple to see what you see while tossing out nothing but meaningless platitudes like, "it’s a balancing act," or, "something, something... and that's ok." And if the only differences are something nebulous like "causes and goals," then you're agreeing with me. It's about whether someone harbors Sin in their heart or not. I don't believe that's true, but I could b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI like to learn new things and solve complex issues involving humans and human behavior. So take the REAL red pill, comrade! ⚒️ All the other "complex issues" are just figuring out how to sell people shit or keep the shop open | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAnd feel nothing the next day? In my early 20s? If you can swing that, I'd start trying to RSVP for a slot on the transplant list ASAP | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:36 PM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Kind of "ehh" phrased the first way. The second one I'd more and more just lean towards answering with "yes." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:35 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMakeup is only ok for dudes if you're already hot | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMy liver's been running marathons since you winced at wine coolers! But this shit sounds like suicide | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:25 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIs the endless grind of capitalism on a slowly broiling planet with the prospect of nuclear Armageddon drifting ever closer getting you down? Maybe you should try BetterHelp™! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou drank two whole fifths of Jack? 34 shots (assuming that's all you drank) in one day? That's... hard to believe | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodAll of these come down to different ways of phrasing the same thing like the above person said. To the extent they're different it's entirely based on an unverifiable internal state when, at least when phrased this vaguely, their external manifestations can be perfectly indistinguishable. You may as well say the difference between [bad version] and [good version] is whether or not they hold Sin in their hearts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:58 PM |
| 2 | Do you think older, single, childless, "cat ladies" are largely happy or not?Housing is consumption as far as the market is concerned. Spending money on rent is no different than spending money on meals. Anything else is just marketing spin. Also it's not like "consumption" is just an activity for the rich. Our entire economy is built on consumption. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:52 PM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?I could ask you the same, since you seem completely certain that you're offering the "correct" way to realize value. My answer is of course there's no objective way to measure social value, just like there's no objective way to measure economic value. But in both cases I can still tell you it's NOT just determined by an individual deciding what they think it ought to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:48 PM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?So is the idea that "self-determination" is the ultimate good. It's just a matter of which value system you "choose" to embrace. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:38 PM |
| 3 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Plenty of people do that and are called arrogant or delusional if their socially determined value doesn't align with that projected attitude. Choosing to ignore that element of social reality doesn't stop it from existing because social reality, by definition, isn't something that you as an individual just construct in your head. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?comparison is the thief of joy I feel like this phrase is just a positive way of framing "ignorance is bliss." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:31 PM |
| 3 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?I mean, that's a GIANT and largely unsupported assumption that what lies between stimulus and response is free will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:23 PM |
| 3 | Do you think older, single, childless, "cat ladies" are largely happy or not?Also from a societal point of view she is an inferior consumer and occupies space that can be shared otherwise. This part doesn't sound right. First, because sharing a space is more efficient which is the opposite of being a "good" (read: profligate) consumer. Second, because even the women here who advocate this lifestyle often talk about travel, activities, etc. as ways to feel happy without a relationship, all of which are consumptive activities. Deriving happiness from a free, mutual relatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Do you think older, single, childless, "cat ladies" are largely happy or not?Do you really not see anything subjectively wrong with just drugging yourself into contentment with whatever situation might be making you unhappy in the first place? Did you read Brave New World and think Soma just sounds like a swell idea? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:14 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell I can respect the honesty, even though I'm deeply jealous almost to the point of wanting to be spiteful. Sounds nice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:38 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI doubt it's actually ZERO for most but when you consider what the goal of getting a match is and how much time and effort goes into even getting that far, it can feel like you're making zero progress with even months of concerted effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:28 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadA couple matches a month is probably about what most guys get realistically. It's about what I get. But from there you have to remember a ton will unmatch or just not respond at all, from there most won't actually end up agreeing to a date, and from there you have all the difficulty that comes from that even trying to escalate or see anyone again. It ends up being that you literally need to swipe through THOUSANDS of women for a realistic shot of landing one where you get anywhere past a first d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:58 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWe really do occupy two different realities | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:33 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNah I use YouTube for actual videos. Don't really care for TikTok style stuff | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:24 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:46 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI use Firefox and Yandex for that and my YouTube short recs are all super conventionally attractive girls in the thumbnails doing completely banal crap | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:41 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI can't help but feel like there's an ideological component to this, whether the people leading it are consciously aware of it or not. Like it's one of those things that will make you feel like needless consumption is actually a critical part of doing business because it's "networking" or some shit which makes you feel like the increasing compensation disparity as you go higher and higher is practically justified. Especially if you've been made to bite the bullet for so long while at the bottom.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSome women are just completely oblivious to their own privilege. https://www.reddit.com/r/HingeU/comments/18ciahg/if_a_29f_creates_hinge_at_noon_today_only_has_17/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:33 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI agree. It's a disgustingly transactional perspective to my mind and not at all a dynamic I want in a relationship. But I also wouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone who tries to guilt me into my "fair share" of anything I don't want. I think it's weird to say you don't have any sympathy for men who complain about their wives demanding they keep up cleanliness standards they don't feel if you do have sympathy for women being asked to suck it up and keep up with sexual standards they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 05:15 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI see quite a lot of women arguing here regularly that sex is a chore, or something they "give" the man they're dating. If the premise is asking your partner to do more of something they don't want to do because you want it done, then I don't see why it should matter if that's sex or making sure all the pillows are where they belong on the bed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell at least we agree on something | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 02:38 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI think it's a woman | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 02:32 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThis looks like an AI image | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 02:26 AM |
| 14 | Why do women pick the worst partners?Sounds like you don't spend much time around young women anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:28 AM |
| 16 | Why do women pick the worst partners?So are suggesting you meant to say most women's standards aren't high enough? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:20 AM |
| 17 | Why do women pick the worst partners?A man is called a good catch [if] he doesn't hit, verbally degrade, or gaslight his partner and is marginally self sufficient. The bar is in the sewer for guys lol. These are your words. Predictably, when challenged, you changed it to wanting a "good" partner which is vague enough that it can mean literally anything and seems to mean an unrealistic fantasy if you think the "majority of guys are dogshit partners." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:13 AM |
| 20 | Why do women pick the worst partners?So stop with this "the bar is literally on the floor" nonsense. You have highly exacting standards but want to act like it's men's fault for not living up to that fantasy and invoke language about abuse to make that as socially difficult as possible to challenge. Amazing you'd accuse men of being the less self-reflective gender here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:08 AM |
| 24 | Why do women pick the worst partners?A man is called a good catch of he doesn't hit, verbally degrade, or gaslight his partner and is marginally self sufficient. The bar is in the sewer for guys lol. This is the circle-jerky story women like to tell each other and gaslight men with in the discourse but empirical reality demonstrates this is false. Unless you want to try and convince me 99% of men are abusive which is absurd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat sounds like a copout to me, trying to claim "apples and oranges" to ignore an uncomfortable parallel where there's a clear discrepancy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHow common is this? It sounds more like my parent’s generation. So does the trope that men are lazy sacks pawning all responsibility off on their wives but that doesn't seem to stop women from constantly invoking it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 12:33 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDo you have this same attitude if, for example, a husband wants more sex than his wife? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 12:03 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI could see that getting very frustrating. I honestly think it might be a bit of an overcorrection from the extremely ubiquitous, cliché attitude that big tits are just the best and what all men want. Maybe that's more of an American thing? But I'd say at least here and especially a generation or two back, the trend was very much to shame women for being "flat" or anything other than super busty. Maybe that's changed more than I thought though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 10:40 PM |
| 6 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseDefinitely. That's why I'm a commie | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 10:37 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOn the contrary, I'm just not super taken with the inherent superiority of deriving meaning from what I see as competitive or consumptive activity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 10:36 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSorry, I didn't mean it like that. If anything it kind of read like it was dismissive to women without big boobs à la "blondes have more fun." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 09:33 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadQuite a fantasy 🧜♂️💦 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 09:31 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat "some racist somewhere" has been responsible for helping to craft American foreign policy at the highest levels of government. "Seldowitz worked under five different administrations, according to this press release by his (now former) employer, Gotham Government Relations. From 1999 to 2003, he worked in the state department’s office of Israel and Palestinian affairs, and during the Obama administration he was acting director for the national security council south Asia directorate. He is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI kind of feel like this is more of a Boomer thing. Where my fellow smol tiddy enjoyers at? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 09:20 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWtf your high school library had a porn section or what?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 09:18 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAnd this racist Obama administration national security advisor is who supports Israel. You really wanna play this game? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 09:16 PM |
| 5 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseEconomic conditions are improving in part due to the fact that women are able to work since they don’t have to take care of children The introduction of women to the workforce in the US following WWII expanded the labor market putting a downward pressure on wages which gives even more relative power to the ownership class compared to working people. It's a large part of why, regardless of who would be the house spouse, single-income families are essentially impossible now.° Not saying that means… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:52 PM |
| 9 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseThis book is a good primer on why that Pinkerian line of poverty steadily disappearing and the world "never being better than it is now" is nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseThere are plenty of ideas for circular economies. I'm not 100% sold on the concept, but the only way it could be considered inherently "inhumane" is if you think it's inhumane to restrict capitalist freedom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:45 PM |
| -1 | What do you think people mean when they talk about a "submissive" partner?which makes sense but in this economy, betting on a man rather than yourself is not a good idea. This is part of why I unironically think socialism would improve dating. Not even in my top 10 reasons for being a communist, but a nice bonus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:41 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSo hedonism. Travel takes resources so that means throwing yourself into the corporate grind more and more the more you want to do that and to be an annoying Kantian for a second, if everyone just tried to do that either you'd only get very limited, fleeting moments of it through life or society would collapse. The reality is basing your sense of validation on that can only be possible for a privileged minority. And if you're doing it with friends you haven't even escaped relying on the possibly… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:29 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBaudrillard feels more and more right all the time and I do not like it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:24 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadVery broadly speaking, the alternatives seem to fall into the categories of status seeking/careerism, consumerism/hedonism, or religion. I don't know why any of those ought to be considered inherently better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: As a man if you're incapable of quickly getting a new girlfriend / hookup whenever you want, you cannot hope to have a healthy, mutually beneficial relationship with your current one or the one you're going to work hard to get.This sounds like you don't really disagree with their fundamental point. Maybe you don't need to parade them around, but you need to know you have other options to be able to feel secure setting boundaries in a relationship and act accordingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 07:17 PM |
| 1 | a lot of the problems with dating, standards, and contentment come from how the brain interprets fantasyYou seem to be overly focused on yourself, which is something I can only take your word on, and ignoring that my main point is the social risk of advancing this argument. Even if you don't believe in hard censorship (though I'd consider your framing at least adjacent to promoting soft censorship as there's an obvious "correct" choice once one accepts your realistic/unrealistic dichotomy) that doesn't mean your argument isn't a perfect set-up for individuals or institutions to promote more dracon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 07:12 PM |
| 1 | a lot of the problems with dating, standards, and contentment come from how the brain interprets fantasyI said it's a risk and it feels like a natural position to take if one takes your argument seriously. If fantasies give people unrealistic expectations, then it's quite easy to argue that content which is considered unrealistic ought to be either soft-censored in the form of pervasive social rejection of or pushback against it, which could most easily be accomplished by institutional actors like governments or large platforms, or actual hard censorship along the lines of why hard drugs are restr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 06:46 PM |
| 3 | a lot of the problems with dating, standards, and contentment come from how the brain interprets fantasyI feel like there are some dangerous, paternalistic implications to taking this argument too seriously, and not just for dating. A not so charitable way of phrasing what you seem to be arguing would be, "your silly little monkey brains don't know the difference between reality and fantasy and so they need to be protected from, let's say, content which gives them 'wrong' ideas about what they should expect of the real world." I think a less infantilizing way to explain the same phenomenon might b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 06:35 PM |
| 3 | Women give bad dating advice for MenTo be equally pedantic, one case is asking for advice about dating. The other is asking for advice about taking advice. The "paradox" only emerges when you reduce both of those statements to "asking for advice" so they appear to be the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Why do women generally view sugar daddies less creepily than older men dating and marrying younger womenI can't help somewhat envying the blind confidence it takes to read a question, not understand –or not want to understand– it, and just decide that the person asking it must not "speak English." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 04:17 AM |
| 0 | Why do women generally view sugar daddies less creepily than older men dating and marrying younger womenSo if it's all about an internal perception that generally differs along gender lines (a BIG if), why is the expectation on men to adjust to the average woman's baseline rather than the other way around? Or hell, some kind of compromise? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell unless it's also explicitly pointed out that in this and similar cases they now mainly serve women's interests and are propped up mainly by women accordingly, I think that label will only suggest blaming them and thus placing responsibility for their resolution on men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI partially agree but that feels like saying agriculture is a residual element of slave society today because that's the structure it originally emerged to uphold. I don't think that's a useful description of it at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 11:19 PM |
| 2 | Having a list of positive traits/achievements isn't enough for successful dating.Where? Literally where are you seeing this? For couples I see under 35, whenever there's an obvious looks imbalance, it's almost always the man who's more attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:51 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI don't think that's an answer to my question. You're answering the question, "if a rich man or woman dated someone poorer, where do you think they're likely to meet?" I'm asking: assuming they've met a poorer person they're equally personally compatible with, who is more like to actually date them, the rich man or the rich woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYes, and? How is that relevant to who would be more likely to consider dating them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWhy does it matter? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadUsually, but a lot of that can be chalked up to proximity. People usually date people in their same geographic locale too. But I asked who's MORE likely to do so. That's a relative question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:19 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWho do you think is more likely to date a fun and reasonably attractive service worker, a rich man or a rich woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:14 PM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a man making you wait to make you feel special because he "likes" you too muchYou're going after the wrong men if they see sex as something that "decreases your value." Discrepancies in how you treat sex from man to man are much more worth his taking into account. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBesides what I just said? It's hard to give definitive answers because you mostly don't state your opinions directly and just frame them as leading questions which provides a shield of plausible deniability against specific accusations. But my comments from last night are full of examples gleaned by reading between those lines. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat Megathread"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence... When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." –C. S. Lewis The way some of y'all love to toss out the term "adult" to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf we want to do good science then replication is important. Should be plenty of boobs to go around here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBecause from the little glimpses of your beliefs that come through the endless waves of questions your ideas seem muddled and inconsistent and you don't know basic figures and formulations in fields like sociology or political economy despite talking about them incessantly. You gotta do better if you want to convince anyone a Bernie-to-Trump bro is anything more than confused. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:50 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBruh I gave you homework. Have you done it yet? Until then, quit it with the "just asking questions" schtick. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:39 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat seems to be how a lot of women treat the concept. I've heard some consider it even more fundamental than class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:35 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf they're things women primarily benefit from and primarily enforce, does it really make sense to call them patriarchy at this point? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBoobs don't seem like the right material for elastic collisions, but I'll need to see experimental evidence to be sure. Any volunteers? This is for science. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:30 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDamn those goalposts must have jet engines attached with how fast they moved!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:40 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadFor the love of God, learn the difference between liberals and leftists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:39 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYa gawt a loicense for dat loicense, luv? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:36 PM |
| 5 | Chasing women is a huge waste of time.That's still no guarantee someone is "threatening." You seem to believe that an overly sensitive test which catches ALL possible cases of something no matter how many false positives it returns is a good test. At least that's the framing. I suspect you just find a whole laundry list of traits or behaviors in men unattractive and need to use words like "threatening" or "entitled" to give those preferences an air of objective reasonability in your mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:26 PM |
| 5 | Chasing women is a huge waste of time."Assume" being the key word there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNever seen Fail Safe but now that makes me curious. I saw Dr. Strangelove for the first time pretty shortly after reading Daniel Ellsberg's final book and it hit particularly hard in that moment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 09:02 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDr. Strangelove | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:58 AM |
| 8 | I wish men would stop normalizing women approaching them and trying to "shoot their shot". Almost every man i've seen feels very uncomfortable with a woman approaching themMost of the movement aren't the handful of academics with good takes. Those types are certainly almost nowhere to be seen in this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:41 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI'm talking about the same good. The same pair of jeans or apple grown or whatever in different locations. H&M jeans are H&M jeans. And I thought I gave a pretty clear answer which is yes, controlling for unequal access to resources like education or healthcare, humans are the same everywhere. Immanuel Wallerstein is another founding figure in systems theory you might want to read. But at this point I'm really getting the impression you're not open to having your mind changed. I've given you ple… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:39 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadRelative purchasing power is a result of local wages, not the other way around. People need food, water, and shelter to continue production and if you charge more for those than anyone can afford, you go out of business. Similarly, if you charge less for those than some can afford in wealthier markets, you'll be outcompeted by firms that charge higher prices for the same goods and thus reap higher profits. And even still, that's not an argument for pay based on merit because the material value t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:00 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOnce again the assumption that global inequality is based on something like merit is capitalist dogma. I could recommend Marx to explain that but I feel like you probably wouldn't be interested in that. So I also recommended Niklas Luhmann and systems theory as a way to circumvent Marxism while still showing that structural imperatives rather than something as nebulous as talent drive the development of political and economic systems. Jason Hickel is a developmental economist who's also written … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 06:17 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThey have severe wealth inequality but that's a meaningless fact without the context of centuries of colonialism and imperialism, the global division of production and labor championed by American capital, and the geopolitical leverage the US government, driven by the interests of capital, had on those nations and their spheres of geopolitical influence. That cooperation is part of why framing the US government and US capital as in opposition to each other is absurd. And if you're concerned abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:57 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat's where I profoundly disagree and the entire history of colonialism and imperialism back me up. You can't be anything like a socialist if you believe this. This is firmly the dogma of capitalists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:05 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAnd I'm telling you capital doesn't give a shit about any people of any nationality. Frankly the liberal zealots (again, Red flavor and Blue) in charge of the government now care more about "stand[ing] up for the interests of the American people" than any capitalist would or indeed could if they wanted to hold onto their position for any amount of time. And if you're actually interested in the well-being of normal people, why should it matter what country they come from? A nationalist bias is an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSo why do you think Putin's Russia is worth admiring as a champion of working people's interests? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 04:57 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThrowing them into a meet grinder for geopolitical positioning, collaborating for personal gain with the highest echelons of Western capital, and removing even the nominal control of the means of production from workers, just off the top of my head. Systems theory isn't exactly communist either but it decenters heroic individuals from the narrative of history in favor of a more scientific examination of how different systems like the legal system, the cultural system, the economic system, etc., … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 04:27 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAre you talking about isolationism? Protectionism? In theory, yes. But that's impossible from a practical standpoint, which is precisely why the economic sector lead the charge for globalization, dragging the government behind it. In reality the imperatives of capital, even under this hypothetical, would simply find alternative pretenses to maintain the global division of labor as the economy as it exists now would collapse without it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 04:19 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNot sure how this follows from my comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 04:14 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe US government answers to capital, not the other way around. Giving the figureheads capital chooses to advance its interests ALL the keys to the kingdom rather than just most of them seems like precisely the opposite of helpful to advancing the interests of the working class. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 04:04 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI never denied he's smart. But why can't enemies of the working class be smart? If they, as the majority of humanity, been oppressed for most of recorded human history, wouldn't it make sense that the ruling class had to be at least smart? I have to say, for anything like a socialist, you seem really enamored with a Great Man view of history. Have you ever bumped into systems theory? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 04:02 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHe might be a smart and competent statesman but there are plenty of extremely smart and competent statesmen running the US as well. I don't see any of them as worling to advance the cause of the working class. What is it about Putin that makes you think he's applying his skill to the advancement of socialism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 03:44 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDoes Russia under Putin seem to be advancing the prosperity of the working class? Particularly after the illegal disillusion of the Soviet Union in 1991 took a struggling project for communism and divided the means of production up under a handful of the most ruthless capitalist-minded insiders in a position to become the oligarch class? It really doesn't to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 03:38 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI've heard that in theory those exist. How did you become that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 03:31 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadTo use some logic I largely reject Holy shit can you manage to just read one whole sentence? Please? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:22 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou're almost verbatim quoting David Graeber here. Your politics grow more and more baffling to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:18 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadTo use some logic I largely reject but see almost all women in discussions like this invoke, "what even makes you think you're entitled to what you think is 'courtesy' from him?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:16 AM |
| 2 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Well that still doesn't address my point that I think the "dudes only want meaningless sex" cliché is overstated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAlso I see you're still just tossing out arguments to try and derail arguments you don't like then completely abandoning them when they stop serving your interests without any further acknowledgement. Glad those suggestions I gave, after you asked, of how you could show you're engaging in good faith went ignored, as I suspected they would. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:01 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYes, because you don't seem to understand (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between a fact and the interpretation of that fact. Til next time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:58 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadFirst, once again, you're wrong. Black people can be both disproportionately likely to commit violent crimes AND be subject to abusive treatment from police and unfair discrepancies in sentencing compared to white people, which is the case. Second, it's also known that women both commit perpetuate physical abuse in relationships at a higher rate than they're convicted for and receive more lenient sentences than men for the same crimes. So to the extent that your point here is true, it ALSO serve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:52 AM |
| 1 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Frankly, yes. At least not the wild majority some women seem to want to paint it as. And there are even women here who seem to agree: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18qxta2/the_term_situationship_is_used_almost_exclusively/kexwwd1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button And I also think that even in those cases, that's a far cry from the danger and abuse many women use to characterize "bad relationships," and yet both th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:45 AM |
| 5 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.I pretty much agree with all of this. Which is why I specified that I treat interactions in spaces like this differently from the real world. I'd probably be some Red Pill misogynist if I went only off of what I see online. But just like the men here are neither completely representative of or entirely detached from the "average" man, the women are the same. I see spaces like this as exaggerated, unfiltered representations of attitudes most people hold to varying degrees. I like to think I do at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:20 AM |
| 5 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Well I find it completely unbelievable that the vast majority of men are as bad as you and many other women here try to paint them. I'd need to know specifics because I find it FAR more likely that a small portion of men are as bad as they're painted and a considerably larger amount of men who went consider undesirable for various reasons get lumped under that umbrella. If so many men are just dangerous, emotionally callous, and use women, I must be a WILD exception because I don't see these men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:05 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat Megathreadit is absolutely racist logic to think black people commit crimes more than other races. It's not. It's literally a fact. You're wrong. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime Racist logic comes into play when you advance particular INTERPRETATIONS of that fact which blame it on some immutable or deeply engrained traits inherent to black people. You are just unequivocally wrong here. knowing that men commit most rapes and murders isn't making shit up about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:01 AM |
| 13 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.On the whole, I do consider both of these and know not all women just have everything on easy mode. But when I'm engaging in this space specifically with women who seem unable or unwilling to empathize with men's struggles and often actively dismiss or mock them, I'm going to push back strongly and advocate for men's perspectives with the same level of aggressiveness as men are receiving from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:53 AM |
| 9 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.To use a phrase I frequently hear from women, "why do you expect someone to 'value you as a person' when they don't even know you yet?" It reeks of entitlement to complain about not having anything you want to eat to someone without any food in the house. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:50 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou're disproportionately likely to be the victim of violent crime from a black person so if you consider it reasonable to paint ALL men with the same brush based on the actions of a minority of them, then it's EVEN MORE reasonable to paint all black men with the same brush. I reject that because I reject making blanket prejudicial judgements about entire groups of people based on statistical anomalies and essentializing attitudes. You're the one who has to explain yourself if you want to mainta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:46 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIt's NOT "racist logic." It's a fact. Racist logic is taking that fact and blaming it on some inherent trait within black people which I EXPLICITLY rejected. Did you not read my entire comment or did you choose to ignore it? YOU are using the exact same logic as a racist by saying ALL men ought to be considered responsible for the acts of a minority of men. Absolutely astounding you can write this and not feel like an idiot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:42 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou're literally just declaring that because the comparison reveals a commonality that makes you uncomfortable. A man was literally discriminated against in this example based on broad generalizations. If you want to try to base it on data (which I know you don't because you just want to dismiss me with a rhetorical handwave) black people DO commit a disproportionate amount of crimes, including violent crime. I can admit that because I understand that 1) there are external sociological and econo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:28 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadA good rule of thumb is to ask if you kept everything the same but replaced "man" with "black person" if it would sound reasonable or like paranoid prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 11:17 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMight be. But the reactions from OP and most other commenters to the story are not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:17 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI basically agree with this as well. I also thought the Barbie movie was actually really promising for the first 45 minutes or so but by the end it was clear it was nothing but corporate, consumerist propaganda. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:02 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe story itself here confirms that apparently this woman didn't even feel uncomfortable yet OP and most of the other commenters are automatically deciding that the dude was a creep who deserved to be treated as such. https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/18rd337/the_proper_way_of_being_vigilant/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:00 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThis is not a different topic. It's literally the exact topic you brought up. I just have a different opinion on it than you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe liberal answer to this will be some Popperian line relating to the Paradox of Tolerance. What they seem to not want to admit then is that liberal "democracy" requires the same type of social restrictions as any other governing philosophy. It can be argued that they're preferable, but it undermines the binary idea that representative liberal republicanism = freedom and anything else = not freedom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI actually pretty much agree with this, but by this same logic, why would you expect that subjecting men to ruthless, capitalist competition, in both the direct economic sense and the analogous social sense, would do anything other than exacerbate the harmful tendencies most women seem to want to see diminished? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:37 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI could just as easily flip that around and say there are clear benefits to being in a relationship if you're skillful enough at cooperating and interacting with others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:34 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIt's becoming increasingly popular for women even in their teens to be almost puritanically anti-sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:32 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadTheir exact words were "virtually all women" and "almost all men." You're deluded if you think I agree with that guy. Go dig through my posts and see me trying to explain to them (I think literally yesterday) that Trump is as corrupt and slimy as any other politician. You just seem to want to lump anything you disagree with under the worst label you can think of. Like the liberals who insist on calling Trump a fascist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell then strangely enough, that puts you perfectly in line with a growing number of (largely young and female) liberals. At least the "less sexually open society" part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:23 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf this was true then anarchic, pre-industrial human history would give people the most capacity to do whatever they wanted and the history of society has been the history of losing the freedom to act. Organization and cooperation are at least as likely to open up new ways of acting as to restrict them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:17 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf they think all genders should have less influence in politics then that's not misogyny. Anti-democratic and not something I agree with, but very clearly not misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 09:10 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueYes, Lil, I know you build your opinions on self-validating axioms. Really no point trying to argue with you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:50 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueTo-may-to, to-mah-to? It sounds like you just want to exclude it from being considered part of loneliness because if it is, then you'd have to either take it seriously or consciously admit that you don't care if some people suffer from loneliness (which I suspect is the case) but that would feel bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:48 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueI seriously can't wrap my head around evangelizing the idea of drugging oneself into ignoring the sources of their despair. It's truly frightening to me how many people, seemingly mostly women, enthusiastically embrace such a dystopian way of living. At least the men who more often drug themselves into ignoring reality with things like alcohol usually don't go around preaching that more people need to be alcoholics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:44 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueIt's crazy to me that people will consider being beholden to exploitative, profit-driven corporations as self-sufficiency or write it off as inevitable but interpersonal intimacy is considered a dangerous, unreliable, to some immoral source of validation. Toxic, corporate, consumerist mindset at its most disturbing. Edit for response since comment lock: obeying a man that statistically will beat them or abandon them when they [get] sick This blatant falsehood is more than enough to confirm that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:32 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueWho's reducing it to romantic relationships? Honestly how many young guys do you interact with? Male friendships are much deeper and more caring than they felt even a decade ago in my experience, but that doesn't replace the need for romantic attention. No amount of water will replace the need for food, even though I need water to survive. And pointing that out isn't "reducing" survival to being just about food. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:27 PM |
| 2 | DISCUSSION: Are autistic men just "lazy" when it comes to dating, friendship and employment struggles?Maybe at the end of the day, most of these labels are just a way to pathologize and therefore continue condemning people who exhibit normal human personality variations that don't meld with particular societal expectations without having to invoke religion anymore? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:31 AM |
| 10 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadGood news: Lilith isn't dead Bad news: I know this because she's back on her bullshit 😮💨 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:21 AM |
| 2 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesMen face more traumatic violence than women. Men who aren't part of the slim minority of the ruling class face worse economic precarity and working conditions than women. And I'd argue they suffer from loneliness far more than women but I don't even need you to accept that to make my point. Men actually do take a similar approach of drugging themselves to ignore the sources of their depression but it more often takes the form of non-prescribed drugs like alcohol. But you won't hear anywhere near… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:03 AM |
| 0 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesTrying to meet the demands I've come to expect from the average woman I'm exposed to has made me colder, more transactionally minded, more cynical, and (although maybe a little hyperbolic) somewhat misanthropic. I don't like it and try to resist it and look for evidence that helps counter those attitudes, but it seems like most women, at least based on the women here, are perfectly happy embracing all those things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 07:44 AM |
| 1 | The term ‘Situationship’ is used almost exclusively by women when they are FwB-zoned by a guy above their leagueBeen there 🙋♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 04:48 AM |
| 7 | The term ‘Situationship’ is used almost exclusively by women when they are FwB-zoned by a guy above their leagueKind of seems to go against the conventional wisdom that men are only interested in sex and don't want to commit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 03:41 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHave you ever met any? I feel like that's a combination of fortunate circumstances and just plain perception. I've met top 1% income earners and they've hardly seemed exceptional. Certainly not to the level of deserving the praise and confidence they get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 03:30 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat's true but the details and context there are far more complicated. Honestly I was down to give a couple short responses but it kind of does sound like you want to debate capitalism versus socialism in general and for that I'd just point you to some readings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 03:27 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadA pile of cash isn't the only way to accumulate power. Only rich and powerful people can be in debt to the tune of millions of dollars. At that level, social power itself is more directly important. For us plebs, money is usually the only way we can have a taste of power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:38 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo individual built Amazon. And Amazon became successful as it did because it met the needs of capital. If it tried to treat its workers better and use more ethical, sustainable supply chains, we'd probably have never heard of it because some company more willing to pursue profit would've outcompeted it and succeeded. In that sense Amazon's success is much better understood like an organism's success in an evolutionary context: an accident that may or may not have been inevitable which was succe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:36 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAs I understand it the idea of capitalism is capital controls all of us, not individuals. It's why just putting Jeff Bezos in a guillotine, while undoubtedly satisfying, wouldn't change anything long-term by itself. Someone else will fill the Bezos slot because that's what capital demands. That's a large part of why I consider capitalism itself the problem more than any particular individuals. It's having a "Bezos slot" in the first place that causes problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:24 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI don't. Rich people are slaves to the system as much as anyone, particularly in the public spotlight. They just live in far more luxury than most. And even if he wasn't, that doesn't mean the values he chooses for himself would benefit any of us. Ignoring all the bickering about how much he's ACTUALLY worth, anyone who can even approach being a billionaire is not on your side or mine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:18 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHe's absolutely a braindead corrupt moron. He's just a different flavor from the typical liberal (which is most of Team Red and Team Blue) braindead corrupt morons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesand then eventually find someone that doesn’t make you feel like you’re alone in a relationship This is entirely different from being content being alone. The difference here between men and women is entirely explainable by the relative ease with which women can find a new relationship compared to men. The same dynamic explains why people in objectively more exploitative, demeaning, and poorly compensated jobs will often stay in them under conditions that those in much better conditions would le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:09 AM |
| 2 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesYou know how it's a bit of a stereotype for the type of kid who lives in vans and dresses like a hippy and says things like, "money doesn't matter—just try to have fun and enjoy life," to come from money and for people who are deeply into the "grindset" mentality to have more poor or desperate backgrounds? Similar idea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:04 AM |
| 7 | How do women actually go about guessing a man's wealth?So a vague handful of social signifiers you'd rather not examine too closely. Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 11:14 AM |
| 4 | How do women actually go about guessing a man's wealth?My dear, I'm a communist. You can call me a lot of things, but class blind isn't one of em | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 11:12 AM |
| 13 | How do women actually go about guessing a man's wealth?Small price to pay to weed out the money-grubbing vampires | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 07:39 AM |
| 3 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf you believe that shallowness is some kind of biological necessity, there's nothing to do but try to learn to adapt. If you believe, as I'm more inclined to, that human attitudes are deeply malleable and largely the result of social and cultural conditioning, then the next step is to decide what we think ought to be different and how to go about making those changes going forward. Collectives of individuals from clergy to propagandaists, artists to advertisers, have been doing this for millenn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 06:56 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI used to feel like that more when I was younger. I still get that way sometimes, but I think it's more like nostalgia now. Those things are visceral reminders that time moves forward, things change, and there's nothing we can do to stop it. Everyone intellectually knows that even from a young age, but you don't really start to grok it until you experience it and that can be painful. I think it gets easier as it happens more and you start to accept at a more emotional level the permanence of cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 05:21 AM |
| 0 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadTrying to verbally roll your eyes at people when they call you out for hypocrisy isn't a good argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI don't pay attention to celebrity culture enough to have a list ready, but Pierce Brosnan comes immediately to mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 05:12 AM |
| 2 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Go down the epistemology rabbit hole deep enough and you realize "fact" vs "feeling" is hardly as firm of a distinction as we tend to like to think anyway. It's really handy for cutting through all the bullshit of people trying to frame different things as one or the other based ultimately on their preferences and just talking past each other. But that tends to piss EVERYONE off for one reason or another 🤷♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 12:45 AM |
| 2 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.🌎 🧑🚀🔫 👨🚀 always has been... But yeah, it's definitely more front and center now I think | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 10:03 PM |
| 2 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.And one thing I've learned is how many women will weaponize the plausible deniability of vague language to have their cake and eat it too because they're too cowardly to own up to their materialistic, transactional inclinations but too committed to them to give them up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 08:26 PM |
| 2 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.No, I correctly perceived your deliberate conflation of two already vague concepts to try and equate status and luxury-seeking with basic survival. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 08:20 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.No, you don't understand how language works. I'll give YOU a hint: if every dictionary has its own definitions of words which change over time, then that proves dictionaries don't just hand down the "correct" meaning of words like Holy scripture from God. Read some God damn Wittgenstein you arrogant dope. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneSo is your issue exploitation or your personal "ick" factor? Because as a communist you ought to understand that most people are coerced or manipulated into the work they do and into accepting conditions they otherwise wouldn't if they had the material security to refuse them. Your primary motivation seems to be finding porn yucky. Also as with alcohol, porn is also nominally age-restricted while neither actually is in practice. If doing away with porn is the only way to solve that, then the sam… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 08:12 PM |
| 0 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Argumentum ex dictionarium is a lazy retort for people who don't know how language works. Now all you've done is shift the ambiguity onto the word "comfortable." In response to your other comment, you clearly DO care or you wouldn't be commenting over and over trying to justify your position. What you want is to not feel as nakedly transactional and materialistically shallow as your attitude clearly makes you and frankly it's that self-denial that I find more irksome than the actual attitude, ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 08:08 PM |
| -1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.financially stable/well off These are two WILDLY different things. You're telling on yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:59 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.realizing that a woman loves a man based on what the man provides This was one of their main points and you seem to be all but confirming it. You just are trying to frame things that ought not be thought of as provision from my perspective as provision so that you can at least say, "well men only love based on provision too." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:55 PM |
| 2 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneI bring it up because most people would reject that label and so are massive hypocrites for using the rhetoric of exploitation only when it suits them. If you're a rare exception to that, then good. But your addiction rhetoric is straight out of the puritanical playbook and just seems like a way to try and frame your personal distaste for something as objective. Are you in favor of banning all drugs too? Including alcohol? How about social media? Especially for kids, but clearly it has deleterio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:53 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Yes, that's been my and OP's contention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:40 PM |
| -1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.In an actual loving, intimate relationship, no. It's not something "that a partner provides for their significant other." It's a mutual expression of intimacy and desire that's a large part of what makes romantic relationships distinct from and deeper than platonic relationships. Trying to frame it as something one person (read: the woman) provides the other (read: the man) is just a rhetorical strategy for justifying and counter-balancing obviously transactional demands like financial or status… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:30 PM |
| -1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.If anything that makes their outwardly self-serving behavior even more egregious. By this standard they know better yet still choose to prioritize themselves at least as much as men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:22 PM |
| 0 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them."Financial security" is a vague term that can mean anything you want it to depending on "lifestyle preferences." The vast majority of men and women can achieve "financial security" in the literal sense of not starving to death or ending up homeless, but that's not how most women use the term when they talk about it as a relationship need. But presenting it more honestly as a preference for a certain amount of luxury would reveal how shallow it is and undermine the framing of it as a "need." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:16 PM |
| 0 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.In the vast majority of cases men making arguments like that seem to be parroting the rhetoric they hear from women and flipping it around. One can argue that overt RP arguments are in general a response to feminist rhetoric. That doesn't completely excuse those men in my book, but it seems more like a reluctant rather than enthusiastic adoption of that argumentative style, something they arrive at out of desperation and frustration. "You want to make everything into a job interview? Fine! Then … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:11 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.And their point was that sex or intimacy in general are different from nakedly material provision and trying to equate them just reads as further leaning into the transactionalization of human relationships OP is talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:06 PM |
| 2 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneSam Harris is not a leftist and the progressive sheen he puts on what are fundamentally "rightist" ideas is what makes him so deceptively dangerous. These videos by a philosophy professor I think offer a concise introduction to what makes his positions problematic: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGt0I5MbQSI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdsDzZDMzKM | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 06:52 PM |
| 3 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneYou didn't. I even specified in my last comment that it could be "either the theistic kind or some secular version," but you don't seem to understand what a religious attitude is. You're classifying entire swaths of people as "addicts" because it suits your dogmatic beliefs but funnily enough as soon as anyone tries to classify you in a way you don't find flattering, now that's an issue. And unless you're a communist I don't want to hear you invoking exploitative, billion-dollar industries as a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 06:43 PM |
| 6 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneYes, it does. Either the theistic kind or some secular version, but puritanical and authoritarian are the most important words in there. Lol please point out anywhere that I've even indicated I watch porn. Please. You may as well have just said "sinner." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 06:25 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOne thing I don’t understand is how are they playing victim? If you don’t like him that’s fine but like don’t try to justify it If there's anything close to a universal flaw women carry, this is it. Mountains and mountains of rationalizations to make sure they never have to consider that they might be the "bad guy," even by their own professed standards, in any given situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 06:08 PM |
| 6 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneNext time I see a post talking about the bad impacts of drugs I'll just leave a comment saying "dont like drugs? dont do them x" Yes, that's exactly what someone who isn't a puritanical religious nut with an authoritarian personality would say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:42 PM |
| 2 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneUgh... I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark here and say you're a fan of Sam Harris? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:37 PM |
| 3 | Men Who Have Been on These Forums and Have Dated - How do you manage?I think maybe it's similar to how I keep a job while also being aware of all the structural ways capitalism is set up to take advantage of me. I'm not prepared to give up a job or relationships, even though I TECHNICALLY could, because life would be miserable without them. I suppose in the best cases, that knowledge helps keep me alert but also gives me perspective when I'm in a relatively good position and allows me to appreciate the deviations I see in a particular job or relationship from the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:27 AM |
| 5 | What does it actually mean to be a non traditional man?So do you still wanna tell me you don't get validation from putting down anonymous dudes online you consider losers? Cuz you spend an awful lot of time doing it for that not to be the case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI feel like Whoville being kind of shitty is like half the point of the movie... Or do you just mean aesthetically? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 12:36 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI don't mind downvotes since they just tell you how the aggregate population feels about that comment. What I don't like are mods selectively removing comments or posts so we don't even have the option of seeing what someone else said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 12:07 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadChrist, dude. Focus! You had it right at talking shit about banks! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 12:04 AM |
| 2 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?Escaping a shitty parent is hard, but how easy do you think escaping an entire social/peer group is? It seems like how ongoing the abuse is is at least as important as there specific kind, which I'd agree with as someone who's suffered both. While we're reading into each other's intentions, it seems like you're more interested in maintaining the idea that physical abuse is almost always worse than emotional abuse, possibly because it's a very handy trump card for women to pull out as even just a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf you put half as much effort into specifying want you mean as you do into snide condescension, you might not have so many issues being understood. But I imagine this clear distinction you want to imply you're making doesn't really exist or you'd just explain it rather than deflecting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSo what's that extra factor look like specifically? Because your blithe response to my comment sure makes it sound at least possible that you consider anyone too closed off from trauma to be "treating others like shit." And I'm sure that many people coming from that position would read it that way. Why not just talk about people who treat others like shit, if that's your issue, rather than painting traumatized individuals with such a broad brush? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 09:41 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadFamily has gone through a lot of changes so the holidays have been kind of in flux for a while. Hard to pin down any more specific "traditions" yet. I'm making a giant batch of clarified milk punch this year. If enough folks like it maybe that'll catch on? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWhat a gross, callous perspective if you think someone being scared to open up is "treating others like shit." What's your excuse for being so contemptuous of people you've never even met? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 09:05 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadEat and drink too much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 08:46 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadA crude oversimplification, but to the extent it's true, it doesn't change what I said. You really just seem to not want to admit there might be anything shallow or objectifying about your attitude, or if there is, then it's not worth mentioning because... men do it too! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell then that's your preference. But you don't get to decide others aren't allowed to point out that looking for money is looking for money, regardless of whether or not you feel it's reasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Actually a man still being inexperienced in his 20s can be a red flag...Eyyy, didn't even notice! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 07:54 PM |
| 2 | Actually a man still being inexperienced in his 20s can be a red flag...The cooptation of medicalizing labels has given bullies a great excuse for perpetuating discriminatory, prejudicial attitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 07:37 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWhat's sad is just trying to lean on random individuals to climb out of the swamp with you on their back rather than pushing to make it so something like dental care isn't an exclusive privilege of the relatively° wealthy. °please for the love of God notice the word "relatively" here. I can already hear the shitty misreadings coming... "You think you need to be rich to have dental insurance?!?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadGee, I wonder why they'd refuse to open up about their shitty backgrounds when they read stuff like this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 05:14 PM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?It seems to be exactly OP's case to me. Why don't you tell me what an acceptable version of that would look like to you then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?You really enforce this rule selectively, don't ya? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Why do men leave their sick wives?Yeah, and if you get to the bottom, you'll notice she asked what a more respectful way to approach it would be, I gave her a whole bunch of suggestions, and she didn't respond to any of it. I figured she wasn't actually interested but it's just wild to see it confirmed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 02:50 AM |
| 2 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?I don't see what this has to do with your 2 bullet points or my response to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 02:45 AM |
| 2 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?I'm sorry, so are you saying the reason my argument isn't valid is because bi people are a small population? That doesn't follow at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 01:48 AM |
| 2 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?"If those were the reasons, women would be best off dating ugly, awkward virgins." Why don't address the meat of the argument? This seems like a pretty solid rebuttal to those supposed reasons for women's biphobia. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?Kid who suffered both here. Both suck. The bruises healed a lot faster and more completely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?Is there any way you could conceive of for someone to admit physical abuse exists while still concluding that emotional abuse can in some ways be worse that you wouldn't consider "brushing [physical abuse] under the rug?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:13 AM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?Women's perceptions of their experiences are sacrosanct unless they go against what another woman believes. Then she must be mentally ill or some type of grifter. Anything that allows them to preserve their comfortable worldview. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:11 AM |
| – | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?If those were the reasons, women would be best off dating ugly, awkward virgins. It's so pathetic how many of you won't even be honest with yourselves and expect others to buy this absolutely transparent rationalizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:00 AM |
| – | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?It's fucking wild how they'll go completely mask off like that but are still too chickenshit to actually admit it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 11:59 PM |
| 1 | If your believe system makes you feel good, it no longer is serving youIf you're pulling this from a particular source, I'd love to see it. If this is just your idea, that's ok too, but I'd say (2) strikes me as problematic. Individual humans can have counterposed interests which makes each person pursuing them liable to harm societal integrity. Maybe this is what you meant by, "the presence of violence and dominance hints at deeper, critical issues," but it didn't necessarily read that way to me. I agree that (1) needs some sort of ideological justification, be th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 06:38 PM |
| 3 | Why do men want girlfriends so badly?I can't imagine anyone ends up here without being deviant (and I use that word not as a moral judgement but just to express deviation from some possibly arbitrary, typical norm) in some way. That said, I also don't think the ideas expressed here are completely detached from meat-space opinions. Exaggerated and unfiltered maybe, but not just out of nowhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 09:06 AM |
| 11 | Why do men want girlfriends so badly?The vast majority of men who might be called out for either being misogynistic or harboring misogynistic qualities wouldn't describe themselves that way and the feminist treatises which try to explain why it's nonetheless true are far more elaborate than that comment. People can and do hold beliefs and perform actions which they might not consciously be able to articulate and may even disavow when they see them framed in an unflattering way. This, by itself, isn't a good argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 09:01 AM |
| 2 | If your believe system makes you feel good, it no longer is serving youBut vhere is zee lie?? sniff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 08:37 AM |
| 3 | If your believe system makes you feel good, it no longer is serving youHow do you define "effective" without a belief system telling you what to pursue? Surely given your position here you're not going to just fall back on the naturalistic fallacy to claim it should be obvious. To be clear, I think I largely agree with you, but I'm not sure you take your position far enough! They Live is also either the best bad movie or worst great movie ever made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 08:34 AM |
| 1 | Why do men leave their sick wives?what would have been a more respectful way to phrase it, pls? Show that you've actually put thought and consideration into what they've said. Write more than just an endless, branching list of questions that even with a guarantee of good faith would stretch anyone's patience. Remain consistent and focused instead of shotgun-blasting random arguments out then pivoting away from them as soon as it suits you (the 'is childcare material support' question here is a recent example). Lay some of your o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 03:02 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadFed up and not willing to indulge a troll anymore. Now do your best to twist that like you always do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 02:38 AM |
| 1 | Why do men leave their sick wives?if i was in a debate Key fucking loophole right here. So why is it I never see you challenging anyone but men or women who might side with them? hence the tone The tone is incredulous and hostile with just enough superficial niceties to gaslight anyone who calls it out with plausible deniability. You know, the first time we interacted I thought you might be reasonable even if we clearly came from different perspectives, but from what I've seen since them I'm pretty sure that was a mistake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 02:37 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat Megathreadif you can't even name them, then obviously you're making shit up. No I'm just tired of playing this damn sea lioning game with you. which the husband is not doing, the mom is. The fact you immediately abandoned your question of whether child care is material support to choose another attack is why I call this a sea lioning game. i mean you can't conceive of anything either lol I can conceive of plenty but see above. You're just convincing me you were lying earlier when you said you don't view r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 02:31 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat Megathreadso tell me which non-material things (which, how is childcare a material thing?) you expect he is doing? Any of the things you'd look for in a loving relationships that aren't about providing material benefit. If that's not all a relationship boils down to for you, I shouldn't need to explain any further. And come on. Childcare is labor, which is a material benefit—something I'm sure you'd be eager to point out to a man saying his wife doesn't provide anything, she just looks after the kids. if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Why do men leave their sick wives?because it's not a gendered issue, and if it is i'd suspect that men generally get overwhelmed and dip more than women the gendered issue being discussed is whether women are turned off and leave men for crying/being vulnerable specifically. Right. So the reason that this woman left could very well be gendered. It's only by generalizing it away to "sometimes people leave for shitty reasons" that the gendered aspect can be obscured. its def not rare to find out the reason someone dumped you eithe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 10:09 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWho are you to define what "nothing" is? It seems to me like you're only defining material provision as "contributing" in a meaningful way. And of course that's assuming what is essentially a meme can be taken completely at face value. "I don't do daycare" seems particularly telling as a point that she could do something else but doesn't want to, which makes it seem like this is probably framed to make her look like as much of a victim as possible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 09:47 PM |
| 2 | Why do men leave their sick wives?i suspect she left him bc she was emotionally immature and overwhelmed (which is shitty and wrong and entirely her fault, just different than the way he is framing it) How is that different? It just sounds like a way to pathologize (and I suspect then write off as an outlier) exactly what he said happened rather than consider if broader cultural attitudes might have influenced her behavior. anything that fact checks the claim and shows he wasn't just mind-reading works What would that be? Becaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOk, so she ought to view relationships as just an income stream then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 09:40 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThen what was the point of that question? She might stay because she values the realtionship beyond what he could provide materially. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 08:46 PM |
| 3 | Why do men leave their sick wives?And did he satisfy you? Or would she have needed to explicitly say, "I'm leaving you because you cried/we're vulnerable," for you to accept his story? Would you be as sanguine about some man asking details about your past to decide if he believes your stories as you've presented them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 08:45 PM |
| 7 | Why do men leave their sick wives?The "other reasons" you mentioned are a distinction without a difference. What is the matter with you? what the hell could possibly be the point of this line of questioning other than to undermine him? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 06:50 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSo relationships are just an income stream to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 06:22 AM |
| 2 | What do women here think of low value men who are aware that they are low value?I think the closest thing to a neutral but still correct answer is that most people don't hold those they consider "lesser" in active contempt, but they can if you "step out of line." If you "know" (read: act) where they think you belong in the social hierarchy, they're happy to treat you with absolute ambivalence and let you fade into the background, like how the rich tend to treat service staff. It's only when you start behaving in a way that's out of line for your station that the active disd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 12:17 AM |
| 1 | Older women are way easier to manipulate than younger girlsGod just tell him you think he's a piece of shit. I think his "experiment" was a pretty lousy thing to do, but y'all are just lying through your teeth pretending this stream of insults and social shaming isn't meant to insult and shame him. Grow a spine and stand behind what you think if you think it's worth saying at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 11:34 PM |
| 2 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?I mean, for a lot of people commenting here it sure sounds like a substitution rather than a priority list. I know apres talks all the time about how she's completely given up on dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 10:13 PM |
| 1 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?I simply pointed out... Ok, sure. Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself? I guess I'm probably just some wildly off-base internet rando though. That's usually worth a 3-paragraph response to someone who wasn't even replying to me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 10:10 PM |
| 1 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?Doesn't that end up meaning scabbing for striking workers in a lot of cases? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 07:30 AM |
| 2 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?It seems like the people who are "perfectly content in their own lives" and "just want to help those struggling" rely a ton on the external validation they get from demeaning and criticizing the kinds of people they see as doing life wrong. It's the prevalence of attitudes like that which makes me think it's impossible to have a fulfilled life without external validation. You can either admit that and seek it in positive ways, or try to deny it while un or semi-consciously getting it by stomping… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 07:29 AM |
| 11 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?So what I'm seeing seems to boil down to either careerism or consumerism. Call me crazy, but if living for the hope of a fulfilling relationship is "unhealthy," I'll take that unhealthy fantasy over the other apparent options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 07:23 AM |
| 1 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himrather then trying to just swipe through your possible matches why not just pay us for a subscription and we'll show you all of them You could've saved yourself a lot of typing and just said this | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/23 01:00 AM |
| 3 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadUsername does not check out? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/23 12:38 AM |
| 3 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI like some makeup on a woman and honestly I'd wear some makeup too if it was more socially acceptable. I like some eyeliner/shadow on a guy but if you're not wearing it as part of a performance, it's just not received well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/23 12:34 AM |
| 4 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himThat's one thing. Obviously that's not the only thing one could complain about but I feel like you're just trying to come up with a horrible misreading of me to attack rather than actually engaging in good faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 10:30 PM |
| 5 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himCut the crap. You wouldn't feel the need to offer an excuse if you didn't realize it was at least lousy. Not to mention how many times I've heard from women how tired they apparently are of "low effort" messages from men so it's more than fair to apply that regardless of gender. Are you just trying to pick a fight? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 10:24 PM |
| 7 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himLame excuse for shitty behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 09:03 PM |
| 13 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himLol like how Bumble is supposed to be the platform where "women take the lead." In practice that means IF you get to the point of a message, they usually just send something like, "hey," "😊," or "👋" and expect you to ACTUALLY get the ball rolling. After which they're still just as likely to go radio silent as they are on any of the other apps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 08:00 PM |
| – | Thought Experiment: What’s the difference between a post-op M2F transexual and a sex robot?Oh my god. They sound like an asshole. This trend of just labeling anyone being an obtuse dickhead autistic instead of an obtuse dickhead needs to end. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 04:26 AM |
| 2 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.Edgy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 10:47 PM |
| 2 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.Hey I'm not saying it's impossible to read Jung with a left-ish lens. Lacan was famously pretty politically conservative too. I'm just pointing out how they tend to be used. If you want "archetypical" examples, Jordan Peterson is a Jungian while Slavoj Zizek is a Lacanian. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 10:20 PM |
| 4 | Does anyone else think flirting is so embarrassing?"Nice Chanel handbag. Did you know Coco was a Nazi?" Am I doing it right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.Ahh. See one of the things I like better about Lacan is he doesn't use apparently fixed and natural archetypes to explain the mind. It's a short walk from them to a natural, immutable hierarchy and fixed gender roles, which I think is part of why corporate types and conservatives tend to be more into Jung than Lacan. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 10:07 PM |
| 1 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.Obviously I'm a bit biased being one of those, but I really wish this was reflected more in the popular discourse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.Where did you pick up Jung? I've noticed not, like, a LOT but a curious number of women who are into him. Did you ever encounter Lacan? If so, why the preference for Jung? And why Jung if you're so anti-Freudian? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:25 PM |
| 16 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.I think reciprocity is the key there | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:15 PM |
| 3 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.And also kinda right | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:05 PM |
| – | Q4W: With what kind of man did you have your very first intimate experience?Bro you really gotta take it easy. Do you know how wacky you've gotta be acting for me to be taking that other person's side?? Why ask for people's experiences just to insult them when they tell you what you asked for? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:00 PM |
| 3 | Men Have Abandoned WomenDoes that not apply at least as much to contemporary women then? Even here, but of course more in predominantly women-driven subs, not to mention blog posts and articles elsewhere, a large number of women have taken to viewing men as at best unnecessary accessories that, like any other accessory or trinket, need to prove what utility they bring to the table before being considered worth keeping around and at worst as primitive, destructive anachronisms that should largely be avoided in favor of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Men Have Abandoned WomenI'll say this for ya, Christian Blue Pill is certainly an... interesting perspective | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadGo and get sloshed on Chinese mai-tais then wander around the city in a blur 🥴🥴🥴 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYeah but usually in a dismissive or mildly disdainful way | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 01:34 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadShe can wear a leather biker jacket and a dozen bits of jewelry to the office and no one bats an eye but if I do it it's "unprofessional." Bullshit! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 01:30 AM |
| 14 | How do you explain your dating struggles to your parents?I think this might be one of the major disconnects people have here. I live in the Bay Area and am surrounded by this type even though I know it's not how all women think and act. But I think some people are less inundated with them in other areas and so mistake issues some men have for exaggeration. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 01:27 AM |
| 0 | How do you approach dating knowing full well you’re going into it with your judgement impaired.Why do you value whatever you consider your "judgement" to be in isolation? Isn't that also just dictated by chemicals in your brain? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 01:24 AM |
| 4 | If men want societal safety nets, they need to band together and weather the storm to get them.The people doing what you're saying look like the Proud Boys. Has it occured to you men not leaning into their natural strengths to force social change they want is at least in part due to their acceptance of feminist ideals? If you want to hold that against them now, I don't think you'll be happy with the results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 09:05 PM |
| 1 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesWell at least we cleared it up eventually | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:46 PM |
| 1 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesOk, in that case we might be on similar pages. It read as scarily Malthusian to me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:43 PM |
| 1 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesI'd say I think we ought to hold a moral obligation to prevent harm and ideally help uplift poor people, yes. There are ways you could conceivably do that while also having a declining population I suppose, but that seems very difficult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:26 PM |
| 0 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesLol then what does that make you? Some kind of anarchist? Or something the other way, like a monarchist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:23 PM |
| – | What do men want from women in a relationship?I mean what do expect them to say? If they answer, "they'd largely do fine," will you just accept that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:16 PM |
| 1 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesWe're not talking about who's having fewer kids. We're talking about who will be affected in a world where birth rates continue declining, leaving fewer people able to work and support an aging population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:12 PM |
| 0 | What would you do if you got a girl pregnant by accident?At the end of the day you still make a choice. You're just trying to offload responsibility for that choice onto a "code." This is one of the textbook examples Sartre gives of "bad faith." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:07 PM |
| 3 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesWhat you're calling "population fluctuations" can and in all likelihood will look like the poorest and most desperate people –who also happen to be the ones consuming the fewest resources– being squeezed tighter and tighter. Why do you assume changes in social norms will be good for everyone or even most people? Climate change continues to get worse and the "changes to social norms" we see are more conflict, more people forced to migrate, and poor people suffering the worst impacts so the wealth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:55 PM |
| 2 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesJust using lazy wiki stats, the black death killed off 50% of the population in Europe, leaving somewhere around 50 million people and guess what? Europeans survived. This kind of thinking is exactly what I was talking about. Think about what you're saying. You're saying an event or series of events that makes the Holocaust look like a bad flu season would be ok because the species itself would probably survive. And with the current global economic and political order, who do you think would be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:34 PM |
| 3 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesIt's rich assholes. Not Boomers. This generational nonsense is a red herring. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:30 PM |
| 1 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesTotally agree. Communism done right would give women MORE freedom to choose how to live their lives and probably help with this issue along the way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:28 PM |
| 4 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesSounds like capitalistic ownership schemes are the main problem if you don't want to just turn women back into baby mills and children into cheap labor. Like you said, we've got the tech. It's just not being used to make life easier and more stable for most people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:19 PM |
| -3 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesGreat Replacement ethno-dipshits are dumb. But unless you just want to let a massive amount of people die off (which would probably mean mostly the poor, the elderly, and the sick on a global scale) declining birth rates are a problem. Doesn't matter what color the babies are, but we do need more of them. Or we need a much better organized society that prioritizes care for people over catering to the consumptive whims of the wealthiest individuals. Maybe some of both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:17 PM |
| 5 | What can autistic guys do to not make women feel like predators?When I was in school certain types of people would be written off as dorks or losers. Our culture has moved to a more (at least superficially) empathetic place where saying stuff like that makes you seem cold and mean. But if you lump all those same characteristics under a medical-sounding term like autistic, that makes it perfectly acceptable to write them off again. Look at how often women on this sub just declare a guy "autistic" when they don't like or agree with him. It's just become the ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:08 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe REAL trip is considering that there is no "me as a person" at the core. "You" is something between an illusion and a linguistic shortcut taken too literally. At least that's what "I" have come to believe | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 10:54 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYes but sometimes nutcases are cool | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 10:06 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMe after finishing Tolstoy's A Confession (for maybe slightly different reasons): | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 10:04 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSome of the most relevant shit now is information technology and that's largely just locked down by IP enforcement. There's means to seize here, it's just less analog than when Marx was writing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:43 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat's what I thought. YouTube's recommended those to me a few times and while I usually don't like the implicit messaging in them I can't deny how emotionally affective they are. Had something close to a panic attack drunkenly watching the Osama raid one and trying to process what I was witnessing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:35 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAlso if I'm recognizing your profile pic correctly you should be careful with those videos... They're damned good hyperreal propaganda (whether that's the intention or not) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:27 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDepends on how you define "are" but at least ideologically I identify as some flavor of communist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:25 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI wish liberals were that cool... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:22 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou rang, comrade? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadGood news is you'll be in growing company | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:16 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYeah that's all pretty true | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:14 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBlue pillers are libs. You should understand the difference | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:10 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI think your mistake is assuming some flavors of feminists aren't best described as conservatives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:09 AM |
| 2 | The comfort and feelings of trans women is often put above the comfort and feelings of cis women in women spaces.In what sense? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 06:47 AM |
| – | The comfort and feelings of trans women is often put above the comfort and feelings of cis women in women spaces.Trans men. And it certainly seems like the implication when you talk only about "womanhood" being "debated and changed." Clearly "manhood" is "debated and changed" in the same way as the concept of gender itself is more thoroughly examined. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 06:44 AM |
| -3 | The comfort and feelings of trans women is often put above the comfort and feelings of cis women in women spaces.I'm certain if you've spent more than 5 minutes looking into this topic, you've discovered that sex and gender are considered different things. Invoking "biological differences" means you're genuinely completely uninformed or just being obtuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 06:42 AM |
| – | The comfort and feelings of trans women is often put above the comfort and feelings of cis women in women spaces.Are... are you aware that trans men exist too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 06:37 AM |
| 3 | The comfort and feelings of trans women is often put above the comfort and feelings of cis women in women spaces.Fear and comfort aren't apolitical. From Carolyn Bryant to contemporary TERFs, it's unfortunately clear that some women weaponize the concepts to their own advantage regardless of the harm it might bring to other even more marginalized people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 06:26 AM |
| 1 | The comfort and feelings of trans women is often put above the comfort and feelings of cis women in women spaces.For all the moral grandstanding a lot of cis women wrap their version of feminism in, as soon as it might work to someone else's advantage, those principles go out the window. I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's at least a yellow flag if a middle or upper income woman from NA or Western Europe, especially a cis and white one, identifies primarily or exclusively as a feminist. If she'd be born a man, she'd almost certainly be something like a Proud Boy, since when the chips are down, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 06:23 AM |
| 2 | How does anyone connect if no one will chase?I keep saying this place needs rough location and preferably politico-economic orientation in flairs as well as pill/gender. I feel like a ton of differences get papered over when they're not made explicit which can leave people each thinking the other is crazy in a discussion. Like I live in the Bay Area and I'm confident the dating zeitgeist here is lightyears away from what it is in, say, the middle of Kansas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI feel that, but I also can't help feeling like life will be pretty empty (not to mention difficult in this capitalist hellscape) without them once I'm older. I'd say I'm a fence sitter too but I've softened towards the kids side of things a bit lately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNah, bro. Sperm donation was on her list too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 04:32 AM |
| 3 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell if that happens, then I just hope you don't also start to complain about him not being as in shape as he used to be, not following his passions like he used to, or not doing as much to support the family financially. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 04:26 AM |
| 5 | Sexual deviancy for men is sexual liberation for womenI think we all understand, intuitively Yes that's called implicit bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 03:03 AM |
| 2 | Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair]Meaning the guy would already say and LIVE BY the notion that paternity testing is a part of having a child. Is that not exactly what most of the men bringing up this point are advocating? It doesn't seem like most women responding would be "fine" with that regardless of when it's brought up, as evidenced by their full-throated opposition to it in the largely hypothetical, future-oriented context of a thread in this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 08:35 PM |
| 2 | What Percentage of College Girls Are This Superficial?There's a Nietzschean argument to be made on the "stronger" and "weaker" men front, but by that logic, the women's movement uses that same strategy. So it's at best hypocritical to try and shame "lesser" men for it while still supporting it when the "lesser" sex does the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 07:04 PM |
| 4 | What Percentage of College Girls Are This Superficial?A red flag | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 06:59 PM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Well if you were more interested in listening and thinking than in arguing with me you'd have noticed that's what I said after almost a day of trying to give you more to consider, not the sum total of everything I've had to say. You want to leave it as a semantic distinction? Fine. You want to tell me you're right and I'm wrong? I've given you enough to work with for a more substantial response than this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 03:35 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Don't you try to tell me now that I'M the one not giving arguments. I gave you my argument and sources you could use to find more information. If you want me to try to convince you why you should "needlessly complicate" you're admittedly simplistic perception, I don't care. And as long as we're talking about what we're "seeing," I see a fundamental lack of confidence combined with a characteristic reliance on social pressure in your continued invocation of what's typical or prevalent. If what ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 03:13 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Oh god, you were one of those chuds that hated English teachers and insisted "the curtains are just fucking BLUE," weren't you? It's certainly an appealing and easy defense mechanism for ignorance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 02:38 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Well I consider it inadequate, which is why I suggested you might try reading some Foucault earlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 01:42 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Ok, great. Progress. I do consider those forms of violence based on the definition I gave earlier. But now this is just semantics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 12:47 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.We've. Been. Over. This. If I kidnap you and don't hurt you, is that not violence in your mind? How is this still not clear?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 12:36 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.We've now been over this several times, including other people weighing in. Force is always at the bottom of law enforcement. There's no such thing as enforcing a law without direct violence or the threat of direct volence. What part of that do you still not understand? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 12:25 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.What the intention is is up for debate anyway, but whether or not something is violence is not contingent on intention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 11:49 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSTEM curricula typically emphasize analytical thinking, and can make you pretty good at it, but barely teach any critical thinking. A lot of STEM people don't even know there's a difference. Putting aside whether hireability is a good criterion for judging how "smart" someone is, I'd say the Achilles' Heel most STEM people can be described as sharing is naivete. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Ok I'm done. If you don't want to explain yourself and just want to keep running in circles pointing at stars and calling them holes in the sky, have at it. Does it actually feel satisfying to just frustrate people into giving up talking with you? Does that feel like a win? If so, then congratulations. You've broken my will to debate which anyone who knows me will tell you is EXTREMELY difficult to do. Keep pretending that's just on my savage male brain or whatever when even other women are tell… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?"Okay, tell what cultural attidues would enable "all people" (your words) [not my words] to be loved romantically and therefore have a standing chance to live a fulfilling life." "Rejecting the notion that not everyone deserves something is meaningless if it's inherently impossible for everyone to have it." "Situations where it's possible in principle to provide something for everyone and where it's inherently conceptually impossible are categorically different." "Find me dozens of proletarian s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 10:41 PM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.The dictionary doesn't define what words mean. How words are used dictates what goes in a dictionary. This is a lousy argument. Force is always employed, directly or by implication, to enforce the law. Hell, it's the core of the word "enforce" if that satisfies your etymological fetish. Is it possible for you to even consider that you might be a wrong? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Ok well if you need some absolute statement that applies to everyone for something to be worth doing, then call it providing everyone with a better environment in which to make connections. But I don't buy that you need that rule anyway so before you call that a contrivance, I know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 10:29 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?I've already answered this. I'm not talking about assigning some individual person as a partner for another. I'm talking about changing cultural attitudes to make people more accommodating of each other and increase the ease of bonding. Sure that's probably never going to make everyone perfectly happy, just like any distribution of resources is probably never going to make everyone happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 10:01 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?If I wanted to offer my armchair psychoanalysis it would be much longer. All I'm trying to do is actually understand where you're coming from. 😮💨 So then what have I said that you consider "oxymoronic?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:39 PM |
| 2 | What exactly do you mean when you accuse men of "stringing women along for sex" ? Can you give examples of this behavior?The implication of invoking "neurotypical" while telling someone you disagree with them is that "normal" or "properly functioning" people do what you say, and therefore the other person's position can be dismissed as flawed due to your tying it up with "flawed" ways of being. Unless you consider their perspective equally valid and just different. But that doesn't feel like what you meant to imply. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:28 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?I gave more of an argument than "wrong." When you say "argument" I feel like you mean "proof." What does "make sense" mean to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:25 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel that growing up in strict, religious environments makes men lack confidence?Depends on the specifics, I think. Religion can make people feel meek and powerless, or give them the confidence and surety of purpose to martyr themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Hey if you don't wanna buy it, whatever, but at least I made an argument. If I could, would that make a difference to you? For what it's worth, I doubt you'll find even many Marxist economists who believe True communism is possible, any more than you'll find bourgeois economists who think a perfectly free market is truly possible. Or any legal scholars that think a perfectly coherent and consistent legal system is possible. They're ideals to pursue. I don't see why you're so hung up on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:20 PM |
| 0 | What exactly do you mean when you accuse men of "stringing women along for sex" ? Can you give examples of this behavior?Man, medicalizing diversity of thought was supposed to undermine the normative judgements attached to it but some people just took it as an excuse to objectivize their insults. What a shame. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:15 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?I disagree. I think you're just calling things you'd like to work towards "possible in principle" while writing off things you don't as "inherently conceptually impossible." I can find dozens of bourgeois economists who'd say meeting everyone's consumptive desires to the point of satisfaction is inherently impossible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?A direct response to this: Rejecting the notion that not everyone deserves something is meaningless if it's inherently impossible for everyone to have it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Nonsense. I can't think of a single ideal that's met perfectly in practice. The point of them is to offer a guiding principle, an asymptote to approach even if you'll never reach it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 08:50 PM |
| 1 | Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair]Well depending on what that looks like, that seems much closer to a healthy, collaborative response than the "if he asks for that the relationship's over" ultimatum I see many women making when this question comes up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?You're thinking on an individual level. I'm talking systemically. The analogy would be enslaving a nurse or doctor and forcing them to provide for someone against their will versus building, funding, and culturally supporting a universal healthcare system like the NHS. Or robbing some particular rich person if you're poor versus having a redstribitive system to ensure wealth inequality doesn't reach problematic levels. From that perspective, more could be done to help more people achieve a fulfi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 08:33 PM |
| 3 | Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair]It hardly seems like it should be your unilateral call to make, deciding what level of trust is "acceptable" when. I'm sure you wouldn't tolerate a man trying to dictate that to you in any other circumstance. Regardless of your relationship status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Well the argument goes that someone has to lose out in some way to provide those things because regardless of our industrial capacity, there's an opportunity cost to hearing production towards the provision of "luxuries" for a rather than whatever the market might decide. I reject that, but that's because I reject the moral supremacy of market logic based on liberal, individual freedom to begin with. And I'd argue on a cultural level, love, affection, attraction, etc. aren't any more inherent th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 08:02 PM |
| 3 | Woman who complain about ot being able to find a "good man" just have very high standardsWell maybe you're some exception, but it sounds like some type of therapy might help here. Like I said, just because something can change doesn't mean you can just change it on a whim. I don't want to just start diving into personal questions uninvited, but your post history suggests this might be a persistent problem for you. I don't need to know all the details if you don't feel like sharing, but it certainly doesn't sound like you're satisfied with this belief that your, let's say, preference… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:32 PM |
| 3 | Woman who complain about ot being able to find a "good man" just have very high standardsRepulsive dry duty sex is actually traumatic and painfull for women you know... I really hope you don't think this is news to me... Well vegetables are just some childhood issue. I mean food you actually don't like. The point is your preferences are ultimately open to change. That doesn't mean they just automatically change on a whim, and you can decide you don't want to change them, but that's different than them being unchangeable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:22 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?All of those things are contingent on the participation of others, which is exactly why the majority of people in our (assuming you live in NA) society argue none of those things are "deserved." And even if you make some argument about the continued functioning of our biological machine, does that mean people only "deserve" a weather-proof sleeping bag and unseasoned nutrient paste? It doesn't seem like there's a hard line between needs and wants, which is why I used the phrase "fulfilled life" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:16 PM |
| 3 | Woman who complain about ot being able to find a "good man" just have very high standardsI think we fundamentally disagree about how humans work and that food analogy solidifies that. That's the logic of a stubborn child who doesn't want to eat vegetables. Most children grow out of that and realize they were wrong. I know I did. If you're happy with that though, then whatever. You just don't actually seem very happy with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:07 PM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.She really doesn't seem to have understood anything I said... Could I have phrased anything better?? I really thought this was pretty straightforward | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:03 PM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Ok somehow you've totally missed the point I've been making. I'm gonna just end where I started and say you should maybe read Discipline and Punish to at least shake up this very weird notion of violence that seems stuck in your head. That's hardly the last word on the subject, but gotta start somewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:01 PM |
| 12 | Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair]Why is it perfectly legitimate for women to use the logic, "there's a small chance of my worst fear being realized, but I can't be sure with any individual so it's better to be safe than sorry," but not men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 07:51 AM |
| 2 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.I'd define violence as a person or group imposing their will on others by force. If you disagree, does that mean if I kidnapped you and locked you in my basement it wouldn't be violent unless I physically hurt you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:44 AM |
| 2 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Incarceration is violence. I don't think asking what actions are or aren't violence is a good way of determining what's acceptable. A more useful question in my mind is when are certain types of violence (like incarceration) acceptable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:34 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Is there a point to these random questions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:18 AM |
| 2 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.I don't support it generally. What's that got to do with the original question though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 03:31 AM |
| 8 | Woman who complain about ot being able to find a "good man" just have very high standardsUnless you think you're a fundamentally different species, then accepting their point about men disproves yours. It's not that you can't change. It's that you don't want to. Which, whatever, fine, but at least admit that then. Also "consensual rape" is literally an oxymoron. The lengths women on this sub will go to to load their opinions with as much artificial rhetorical weight as possible, I swear... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 02:33 AM |
| 2 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.I'll never cease to be amazed at how when people are backed into a logical corner here, they'll just start throwing shade instead of admitting they're wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 02:05 AM |
| 2 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Even if we accept that none of those things constitute force in themselves (which I don't) what happens if I refuse to surrender property, pay a fine, etc.? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 01:23 AM |
| 1 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Exactly my point | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Claiming that living a fulfilling life without without romantic love is ascetiv monk level rate is still delusional. Shifting goalposts. Okay, tell what cultural attidues would enable "all people" (your words) to be loved romantically and therefore have a standing chance to live a fulfilling life. Actually, the relevant description of an aim I gave was, "continually try and build a world, politically, economically, and socially, where more people get what they deserve." You're deliberately tryin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 01:03 AM |
| 5 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Give me an example that isn't ultimately dependent on force. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?I can show you examples of ascetics who believe any form of entertainment or stimulation is unnecessary. I can show you whole communities of deaf people who insist a nearly universal sensory system for humans is anywhere from unnecessary to actively undesirable. Does that make me justified in dismissing those things as generally necessary for a fulfilled life? Appealing to the exception is lazy. There are no non-trivial yet 100% universal necessities when talking about a vague quality like "fulf… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 12:28 AM |
| 15 | Why do men say women have high standards?There's always some kind of vague qualifier in descriptions like this that ultimately leaves the door open for the answer to mean anything. "Reasonable" is a common one, but it can be plenty of different words. Once you pick up on this, those words almost glow a different color when you read them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 12:16 AM |
| 3 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationshipTo continue to be far more explicit than I should reasonably need to, what is the purpose of asking the question, "what happens if the woman says no," if you don't expect him to answer anything other than, "if she said no, I would respect that and not be pushy?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 12:08 AM |
| 3 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationshipGod I can't stand the utter refusal to be honest here. And note, because I need to spell everything out in painful detail so as not to be straw-manned, I didn't say it's impossible my guess was wrong. The dishonest part is refusing to explain what the implied ends to your line of questioning were and simply deflecting by calling me a dozen different variations of crazy. You expected either a yes or a no answer to a yes or no question. What would be the implications of those answers? Clearly the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 12:01 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI wanna see a podcast where an OF creator and a tobacco executive are asked the same questions about their business models and clientele. Think it'd be interesting | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:55 PM |
| 5 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Because it's accurate. I'd define violence as a person or group imposing their will on others by force. How does that not describe law enforcement? The only reason I can imagine to try and deny that is if you implicitly define violence as bad in your head, and therefore something to be avoided. By that logic you either have to reject law enforcement all together, accept that society relies on a "bad" thing, or try to suggest that it's not violent which doesn't seem to lead to anything but a circ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:49 PM |
| 3 | Advice for unsuccessful men in romance vs advice for financially unsuccessful people and incel rhetoric vs socialist rhetoricThere’s a massive difference between a system having unequal or even unfair outcomes, and a system being “rigged” against people. Is there? "Fair" is contingent on what you believe the purpose of a system is. The premise in basketball, and any sport really, is to foster and express competition in terms of whatever rules define that particular game and the most relevant metrics to achieving competitive success as defined by those (ultimately arbitrary) rules. What's "fair" in an economy, as a con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:44 PM |
| 6 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.God, read some Foucault at least. Yes. Law enforcement is one of the clearest examples of violence there is. Once you accept that, you can begin deliberately exploring the question of when violence is or isn't justified. By rejecting it, you do the same, only in an unconscious way, defining violence as "bad" and therefore only an applicable description of things you disagree with, but with the unreflective certainty of a religious zealot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:34 PM |
| 2 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Lots of people in here REALLY committed to the stabilizing egoic delusions they've built up for themselves... But at the end of the day they're just delusions if not socially validated. Ironically, I'd argue it's precisely this type of egoic delusion that keeps them complacent in a society that exists to extract value from them rather than confronting that reality head on and at least making something like a conscious decision WHERE to seek their ultimately necessary social validation from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?since claiming that romantic* love is necessary for a fulfilling life is ridiculous. Begging the question. I offered it as a premise. If you want to persuade me to reject it, persuade me. If you won't or can't, then I refer you back to my first reply. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:12 PM |
| 3 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationshipLiterally just answer the question. I said if you disagree, tell me what you meant instead of tossing out another vaguely accusatory rhetorical question. You ignored my straightforward question where I literally said, "if you think my interpretation is wrong, then offer a correct one." You ignored that simple, direct request and tossed out another series of vague accusations and rhetorical questions. I'll be even more direct this time: explain what the purpose of your line of questioning was wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:10 PM |
| 0 | Advice for unsuccessful men in romance vs advice for financially unsuccessful people and incel rhetoric vs socialist rhetoricits literally the barest minimum of caring for your own child Leave it to myopic "feminists" to uphold the sanctity and necessity of the nuclear family structure as long as its to own the men or whatever... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:56 PM |
| 18 | Advice for unsuccessful men in romance vs advice for financially unsuccessful people and incel rhetoric vs socialist rhetoricIndeed, I believe it's a massive ideological inconsistency a lot of people across the political spectrum share one way or the other. As some flavor of socialist myself, I find it deeply troubling to see so many women who otherwise consider themselves progressive or even radical embrace this line of reasoning. It's a dangerous pitfall that can and clearly does very easily funnel potential supporters of systems-based thinking and egalitarian attitudes into hyper-individualist, right-wing ideology.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:52 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Indeed. So if you want to invalidate it you're either going to have to attack the rest of the argument, or offer a compelling reason to reject that premise. You've done neither. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:41 PM |
| 2 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationship"What happens if the woman says no?" "So you invite strangers from dating apps and you read them so well that they never say no?" Then why don't you explain what the purpose of this line of questioning was. I've been crystal clear that I think you're implying this guy is either lying about his outcomes or lying about respecting consent, which would make him a rapist. If you disagree with that, why don't you explain what you meant instead of just deflecting with another vague rhetorical question? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?😮💨 I'm thoroughly convinced this is a waste of time and you're not interested in thinking about anything I have to say, but whatever. You took the first sentence of an entire argument I made and dismissed the whole thing by "merely stating," to use your own words, that it was wrong. That's it. You've given literally nothing but unsupported declarations and sass. I genuinely believe that if you're literate enough to read these words, then you understand that you're not making an argument. You're… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Cool. So this time you just said "wrong" again but with 15 words instead of 1. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:21 PM |
| 2 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationship"I don't know where you'd get that from." Proceeds to insinuate I have some unhealthy, maybe Freudian, compulsion to think about rape Gee, you're right. Where could I ever get an idea like that..? 🙄 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:18 PM |
| – | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?I wish I had the confidence to write off an entire argument with the single word "wrong" then get all huffy and indignant rather than even trying to elaborate when they doesn't change anyone's mind. I mean, I don't really because I think I'd be an idiot, but god it must be comfortable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:16 PM |
| 2 | What made you join the red pill?Besides, even so, aren't we in the "sexual liberation" and no s1oot shaming era? Isn't having "sexual freedom" supposed to "empower" women? Not anymore. 4th wave feminists (read: late-Millennial and Zoomer feminists mostly) seem to have forgotten this evolution out of 1st wave feminism and fallen into some neo-puritanical anti-sex dogma. They could honestly use a bit of Camille Paglia I think, but instead they've got TikTok and Twitter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:08 PM |
| – | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Compelling. I'm convinced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 09:52 PM |
| 2 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationshipHow badly do you need to believe that all men are just rapists waiting for an opportunity to strike? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 09:47 PM |
| 1 | To most women, a "real man" is a man who caters to them and is easy to control.Alan was used, neglected, and abused throughout the whole movie despite doing more to reclaim Barbieland than almost any of the actual Barbies. I consider it a huge red flag if a woman feels anything other than sorry for his constant mistreatment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 07:41 PM |
| 2 | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.God I'm glad I'm not in any kind of relationship with you. I can only imagine how manipulative you are with people in real life if you'll take such a twisted position over inconsequential internet drama... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 05:31 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.All of that's a rhetorical mirroring of the responses women always give to those men they see as feeling "entitled" to romance, sex, or attention. You're not paying attention if you don't see that. These men are directing women's professed standards back at them and in a STUNNING turn of events, they don't seem to be taking it well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 05:29 PM |
| 6 | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.You actually think if anyone was wasting anyone's time here, it was HIM wasting HERS?? Delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 05:10 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.You provided less than I did. If you want to try and argue I'm wrong, go right ahead. But you know you can't or if you're actually just wildly ignorant you'll find out you can't as soon as you try. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 05:03 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.Men are not the ones enforcing this mentality. It's women who almost exclusively push the cold, transactional, quasi-legalistic interpretation of relationships with their boundaries and rights trumping any conflicting desires a man might have. You're out of your bleeding mind if you think it's primarily men trying to reduce relationships to an exchange that can be ruled on like a business arrangement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:58 PM |
| 8 | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.I’m sorry if I wasted your time. Ha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The absolute audacity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:43 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.Seriously. I really didn't think any more than a couple people could so blatantly engage in rank hypocrisy but here we are. The double standards so many women seem to feel entitled if not straight righteous in trying to enforce never cease to astound me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:40 PM |
| 2 | is hyper-individualism ruining our relationships?No, then you get a power struggle where the apportionment of benefits comes down to the relative distribution of leverage between the competing parties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:36 AM |
| 1 | is hyper-individualism ruining our relationships?Oh I was sure you were talking about ol' Eddy Bernays | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:34 AM |
| 2 | is hyper-individualism ruining our relationships?It comes from liberalism, marketed and delivered by capitalism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:11 AM |
| 5 | Do most girls actually flirt/sex/hookup with fboys while simultaneously developing connections with good genuine guys on the side?Yeah it certainly makes the question of who's to blame –if that's even a question that makes sense to begin with– messier. It's clearly not as simple though as the comfortable position a lot of women want to take that it's just men and their problematic natures that bear responsibility. Personally, intellectually, morally, I kind of hate the red pill. But I can't deny its efficacy, at least in the socio-cultural environment we currently exist in. So what am I to do in that situation? I can't cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/23 01:44 AM |
| 10 | Do most girls actually flirt/sex/hookup with fboys while simultaneously developing connections with good genuine guys on the side?I think this is something a lot of women, especially on this sub, don't want to consider: the red pill stuff doesn't feel natural or even necessarily all that appealing to plenty of guys. We end up absorbing and enacting a lot of it because it works even if we might really want things to work differently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/23 01:07 AM |
| 1 | One major issue with dating apps: they keep everyone in their comfort zones.Nothing is just a preference for anybody. But based on this interaction you seem allergic to self-reflection and apps are more than adequately designed to help keep you in a bubble of your own choosing. Guess all I can say to that is I think OP's clearly right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI largely agree | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:59 PM |
| -1 | One major issue with dating apps: they keep everyone in their comfort zones.There's a difference between finding meaning in something others tend to find superficial like a certain genre of music and making sweeping assumptions about people based on superficial judgements. Ironically it's YOUR perspective that seems to preclude anyone being able to find meaning in something you consider superficial (EDM music for example). It's wild to me how many people seem utterly fine being so closed-minded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:58 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDamn, that's a bummer | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIn general I take it as a yellow flag at best if a middle or upper-class, especially white woman from NA or Western Europe considers herself first and foremost a feminist. What that tells me is she'd probably be some kind of MRA if she'd been born a man. Her social engagement is primarily tied to elevating her own position in society rather than focusing on those who need the most support. It's why communist/anarchist women with feminist influences are much better people in my experience than li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:47 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI wouldn't have any problem with that. Sounds like a fun, normal thing to do for Halloween. What kind of sticks in the mud are you dating? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:32 PM |
| 0 | One major issue with dating apps: they keep everyone in their comfort zones.Lol what you've confirmed is you can PROJECT a lot onto people based on superficial indicators. You're doing exactly what OP is trying to criticize. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:22 PM |
| 3 | Would you date a woman who left-swiped you on a dating app?It seems to me like men and women broadly use apps in a different way. Men's default position is usually "yes" with the idea of getting to know if you vibe with a person or not through actual interaction. They scan profiles for obvious dealbreakers that would change that default "yes" to a "no." Women, on the other hand, seem to default to "no" and view men's profiles as chances to "wow" her and convince her to change that default "no" to a "yes," which only means "willing to have some sort of i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:11 PM |
| 0 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderYour list of reasons why older women are less desirable is exactly why younger women should focus on improving and supporting themselves rather than focusing on supporting and pleasing men’s. There is nothing whatsoever that they can do to guarantee they’ll still be appealing to their man in 20 years, because men overwhelmingly desire youth and beauty and fertility. Giving a man your youth won’t mean he will still thinks you’re amazing when you’re older. He is still biologically a man, and men w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderYou did exactly that! You rolled in and accused me personally, based on nothing but one comment on Reddit, of having, in your words, “undesirable non-physical traits”. It’s a negative personal accusation against me… again, based on, what exactly? The fact that I disagree that women should marry judgmental assholes like OP when they’re young? Really? All of that could be true regardless of your age. Where did I say age was anything like the critical variable here? But also, more seriously, do you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 10:05 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?I'm not interested in dragging this one out even further. Chalk that up as a win if you like. But if I had to boil down our fundamental disagreement to one thing, I'd say it's that you and I have very different conceptions of what constitutes "voluntary," which is where my sweatshop example in the first comment came from. The apologists for that will also insist that none of the girls are slaves and they often earn more than they would doing some other job in the area given their personal circum… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 09:24 AM |
| 1 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderIt doesn’t matter if you retain as many desirables to men as you age as possible if your age itself leads men to assume the worst about you. And that’s exactly what you and OP are doing: assuming that women are not kind or nurturing or supportive as they age. I am not assuming this which is why I made the point of highlighting how little the list OP gave actually has to do with age in anything other than a correlative sense. You assumed right there that I’m divorced and a single mom and have a h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 09:17 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?Oh please. What else could the purpose of your comment have been other than to frame historic examples of atrocity and exploitation (and by implication their contemporary formulations) as men imposing on women rather than the wealthy and powerful imposing on most of humanity? The people making up the bulk of military forces throughout history and in the present have been compelled to either directly or circumstantially and suffered the worst experiences while least enjoying the benefits you laud… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 08:44 AM |
| 2 | “Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence”I wouldn't quite say those are "the fixes" but they're absolutely necessary as a start. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:44 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?This is the same disgusting mindset that ruthless transnational capitalists use to justify sweatshop work by teenage girls in former colonial holdings to this day. How much exploitation are you willing to condone to feel vindicated in your self-serving ideology? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 06:36 AM |
| 2 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderPoints 3 and to a lesser extent 1 are the only ones directly tied to age. 8, 5, and 4 you can make arguments for but they're at least if not more contingent on life choices. The rest are purely matters of personality that don't need to have anything to do with age. I'm sure it's empowering to boil it all down to youth since that makes you feel "wise" for taking the perspective you do, but most of this list doesn't require you to be young. It's just comfortable to pretend it does because then you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 06:10 AM |
| 14 | “Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence”Yes, "confidence" is a shit metric for what are socially acceptable versions of "appealing" traits. Yes, it matters a lot. People be shallow, self-righteous, and dumb. But let's be honest all around, women just "not using critical thinking skills" isn't really why this upsets you, is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 03:22 AM |
| 0 | Does TRP believe that the best way to solve this dating problem, is too become the problem?Basically yes and it's one of the main reasons I don't consider myself "red pill." It's just leaning into the issues that already exist in dating which can be a "solution" for some individuals but collectively it's just playing into a positive feedback loop that makes the overall problem worse. But most of the men who really buy into it have a deeply individualistic mindset so they generally don't see or don't care about that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 02:58 AM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultStatisticians are hired by people with motives. I'm not saying the only motive is necessarily prejudicial, but I am saying I believe it's the case in just about every instance of it I've seen. Again, I don't think there's ever such a thing –and I include myself here– as JUST bringing up a statistic. Stats are ALWAYS meant to further some argument. The frustrating and often dangerous thing is when that argument is deliberately left implicit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:37 PM |
| 1 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultAgain, in a very black-and-white sense I'd agree with you but in the grand scope of things I'd chalk it up as just a "meh, whatever" kind of immoral. Like not putting your shopping cart back in the cart area when you're done shopping. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:26 PM |
| 1 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultRight, and I'd similarly argue that wasting resources trying to prosecute someone as a rapist who didn't disclose that they're bi would be equally silly. Even if in a very black-and-white sense the deception is immoral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:24 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultI don't believe there's ever such a thing as "stating basic stats." People always have a motive for citing particular statistics and I find that in just about every case, bringing up black crime statistics (particularly in contrast to crime statistics for other races) is an attempt to justify anti-black prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:22 PM |
| 1 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultTheft of money. It's "theft" in the same way the hypothetical in this post is "rape" because if the other person knew what you're not disclosing, they wouldn't choose to give what they're offering. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:20 PM |
| 1 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultLike I said, call it "theft by deception" if you need a way to link it to a more serious crime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:03 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultAnd what, precisely, "is" it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 10:54 PM |
| 1 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultI didn't say it was rape. I said they ought to be considered actions on about the same level. The point, which seems to be the relevant criterion, is that it's lying about your intentions to make someone behave in a way they otherwise wouldn't. Unless you're trying to favor sex as some special category where deception is more egregious but that would require a separate argument. Call it "theft by deception" if you need a legal-sounding term. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultAlright, well then I'd put "not telling someone you're bi because they're prejudiced against bi people and they agree to have sex with otherwise" on about the same level as a woman accepting an offer from a guy to buy her a drink at a bar when she already knows she has no intention of pursuing him romantically or sexually. Kind of a dick move, but hardly something that ought to be a crime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 10:30 PM |
| 2 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultIf that's as broad as you want to make the definition, then sure, but my response in that case, like I said, would be that some examples or rape are more serious than others. You want to put it all under the umbrella "rape" because of the rhetorical weight that term carries and I'm not gonna abide that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 09:45 PM |
| 1 | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaulti'm saying it could be rape by deception when they do know How? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 09:17 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assault😮💨 I knew you'd latch onto that sentence and ignore all the caveats I placed around it... The example you brought up is rape by deception, yes. Because it's a totally different person. Not knowing every single detail about someone before you have sex with them is not the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 09:10 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultA little bit deceptive? Which I guess you can call "rape" if you want, but if that's the case, then under that specific usage of the word, I'd say not all rape is that big a deal. Now before you run away with that, I'm gonna highlight that I'd never say that in most contexts but you're trying to extend the definition of rape by deception to an absurd degree because rape carries so much rhetorical weight as a term. That scene in Revenge of the Nerds where the dude pretends to be the girl's boyfri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 09:04 PM |
| 1 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Lol ok, well you'll have to forgive me if I continue to hold my doubts then | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:56 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultI mean, sure, I guess that would be somewhat deceptive but calling it "rapey" feels like a wild overstatement to me. It also seems like a very niche situation that's unlikely to happen all that often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:52 PM |
| 1 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Well you could educate me then but so far you seem really reluctant to explain your position | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:49 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultAnd black men are statistically more likely than white men to commit violent crimes, but we all know the people bringing up that fact are just looking for an excuse to rationalize their prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:41 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultIf "trick" means "not preemptively provide every inconsequential detail about yourself on the off chance someone might be prejudiced against it," then yeah. I don't tell everyone I'm about to sleep with what brand of toothpaste I use either. This comment is a great example by the way of something I was talking about the other day: women using exaggerated, emotionally charged language to frame their personal hangups as moral imperatives. It's dishonest and does nothing for those who don't already… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:39 PM |
| 2 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Radfem gender abolitionist seems like a weird combo to me, but if you wanna keep it vague I guess I'm just gonna have to live with that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI mean, there are a few guys with takes as garbage as hers and I don't like them either. But I'm also a damn worrier and can't help being a little concerned. No way someone who posts as much and as often as her is in a good place. I think her opinions are terrible but, like, I don't want her to die. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 07:50 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadLilith hasn't posted anything in 3 days. I wonder if she's ok. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 07:33 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultLunacy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 07:31 PM |
| 2 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?I don't follow any of those people. I'm drawing on my own experiences here. And I didn't say they're all totally good and empathetic and all that. I just mean they tend to be much better than liberal feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 07:25 PM |
| 2 | Is the only way to see success on the dating apps is to look like a bad boy?Horst Wessel is my favorite name from history that just sounds completely made up | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 06:19 PM |
| 2 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?I don't feel like saying I've got no issues with trans people puts me at risk of being banned. Particularly given your choices of words, I have to imagine you've got a different take if you're worried about being banned for whatever you'd have to say about trans people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 06:09 PM |
| 0 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menSo because you can imagine a scenario where the bf acts as some kind of barrier between the gf and the other man, that means that's definitely how every MMF threesome works? Aight | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Two leaders in a relationship. Thoughts?I'm really hoping your flair means you're literally a child because imagining otherwise hurts my brain | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Two leaders in a relationship. Thoughts?Are you the woman in the TikTok? 🤔 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:56 PM |
| 2 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Lol I knew it. Terf Island living up to its reputation I see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:40 PM |
| 5 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menSounds more like you're telling on yourself here than anything | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:35 PM |
| 13 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menAnd here we have a perfect example of a woman rationalizing her prejudices rather than confronting them. An unfortunately common practice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:34 PM |
| 3 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menI don't think a woman getting pegged faces nearly as much stigma so it doesn't seem like bottoming is the fundamental or only element. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:23 PM |
| 4 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menThis is an interesting framing I hadn't considered before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:19 PM |
| 2 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menSooo if he's one of the men, his gf is the woman, and the third is also a man at a threesome, what does that imply the third man will be doing? Unless "threesome" for you means, "watch my bf fuck another man while I'm on the sidelines?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:16 PM |
| 3 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Why do I feel based on the phrases you've chosen here like you've got some really spicy takes about trans women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:08 PM |
| 3 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADYou can imagine I'm making it up if you want. I'm not doxxing myself or anyone else by giving any more details. What could possibly be my motivation for making up details to support this comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?the left side of the political spectrum/Overton window in Anglo countrie Right, which is why I distinguish them from "left wing" from a more holistic perspective. The fact you included this part seems to indicate you know what I was talking about, so what's the point of this comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?I think you might be right. I might've read that wrong. Thanks | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Are my values and preferences too old-fashioned?I'd be curious to hear what you think about this: https://youtu.be/NGt0I5MbQSI?si=xM1RCLf11WTUHdAK | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 01:19 AM |
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