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| 11 | Why is there is not a MaleAdvocates subreddit? why the only MaleAdvocates subreddit has "LeftWing" in it?Unfortunately I think for a lot of these people it's the identitarian politics or "woke stuff" that's most visible right now and tends to call itself left-wing. Frankly I think a lot of that really isn't even left and it does a terrible disservice to real leftist projects by turning people off from the idea of "the left," as OP demonstrates. I think feminism, for example, can quite reasonably be argued to be more right-wing than left-wing, just a very different formulation than what's popularly … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/24 10:46 PM |
| 1 | A potential response from feminists when the misandry perpetrated by feminists is called outI almost take the opposite track. I say, "if I as a communist have to reckon with the flaws in Soviet or Chinese socialism then why do you get to just write off feminist ideas you don't like? If we care about an idea we ought to see how even people who wanted the same things we did went wrong both to stop from making those mistakes again and to see what sort of ideological pitfalls might lead someone who feels exactly like we do now to those positions we don't want to endorse." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 09:24 AM |
| 2 | I fully, 100%, believe in a woman's right to choose. I also believe in a man's right to choose. Why is this a crazy take?He should be able to opt out for as long as she's eligible to get an abortion. Even if she gives birth she still has options if she doesn't want to keep the baby like adoption or surrender, but I think that's a fair window of time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 03:05 AM |
| 15 | Why I can’t call myself a feministIt just goes to show that people who have been victimized don’t become incorruptible paragons of virtue because of it. Women are just as susceptible as men when it comes to the allure of abusing one’s power. No wonder liberal feminists and the Israeli government have lined up so much lately. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 02:23 AM |
| 141 | Why I can’t call myself a feministTop comment: It's not really about appearance or professional or academic success. The bar is in hell because women are looking for men who don't endanger their life, well-being, and sanity (edit to add: and many women can't find that). They're just totally detached from reality. Or they're knowingly and deliberately lying to each other and the world. Not sure which is more disturbing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 01:15 AM |
| 1 | How do we politely debunk the feminist rhetoric that everything is marketed, tailored and geared towards male consumers?I know nothing about J D Vance except that he (apparently? allegedly?) fucked a couch. The guy just came out of nowhere from my perspective a few weeks ago and as a potential Trump running mate I'm sure he's a piece of shit, but that's been a dominant meme all over the internet to the point it's basically the only thing I know about him. Setting aside if it's true or what kind of person he is, just try to imagine the reverse being the most prominent thing virally spreading about a woman. Imagine… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 11:31 PM |
| 1 | What do you want?God, that's a hard ask. VERY generally, I guess... Some kind of cybernetic communism. Ecologically sustainable production rather than endless growth would be the goal. Consumption and accumulation would no longer be the carrot together with destitution as the stick driving people to work. Communities would be more locally oriented and self-sustaining wherever possible with regional and global cybernetic systems allowing larger scale trade and cooperation to take place. We'd own less, but have mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 09:46 PM |
| -1 | The male gender role of being the stoic rock in a romantic relationship is the most pronounced example of emotional labour that exists in life, and those who believe women do more emotional labour on average are either lying or ignorant.Responding to structural and interpersonal asymmetries of emotional labor could well involve supplementing or better cultivating this aspect of male socialization rather than discarding it. I'm sorry, is their point that stereotypical male stoicism is not only good but that we should be trying to FURTHER reinforce it?? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 08:30 AM |
| 2 | The Pay Equity Gap relative to Predominantly Male and Female OccupationsI don't think most of them are "seeking a post-capitalist system." At best SOME of them pay lip service to it but they couldn't even tell you the difference between surplus value and profit. I had a discussion here about a week ago on this very topic so I don't really feel like rewriting all of that, but suffice it to say I do think they have more of a liberal conception of the world than what I'd consider leftist. Also "UBI combined with a market framework" is literally the idea Milton Friedman… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 12:26 AM |
| 2 | The Pay Equity Gap relative to Predominantly Male and Female OccupationsI know what you mean, and I tend to view it more as there just not really being much of a "left" in places like the US. What gets called "the left" is mostly made up of identitarian liberals who are more interested in shifting around who wins under capitalism based on some theory of identity-based privilege than in changing the game that produces so much inequality. I don't really identify with them either. But as I see it they're the ones who aren't leftists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 11:33 PM |
| 6 | "But more women are killed or seriously injured by male partners!"That all sounds fine to me. Better than fine, actually. It sounds like it would make the world better. But I'm at a bit of a loss right now as to how to make it happen because frankly most women seem allergic to the idea of admitting their own problematic attitudes and behaviors, much less policing themselves and each other for the sake of men. I'd very much like to see it happen, but I'm not sure how to get it going. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 02:53 AM |
| 24 | The Pay Equity Gap relative to Predominantly Male and Female OccupationsCapitalism cares about profitability, not social utility, so professions like education are less well-paid than something like programming. Despite efforts to remove gender barriers to certain career paths, there's still a cultural expectation for men to at least be capable of acting as providers and men's social value is much more contingent on their economic value than women's, so men are more inclined towards jobs which they may not find satisfying but which are well compensated. I've persona… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 02:02 AM |
| 2 | Israel/Palestine: Ignoring Male Sexual Assault Victims to Ensure Support for Israel4) in this particular context, sexual violence against women and girls is being used to justify Israeli military action in Gaza and is being investigated by the ICC This needs to be getting MUCH more attention. Liberal feminism is being used as the new primary justification for neo-imperial and neo-colonial (or in Israel's case, just straight up settler colonial) actions by Western powers. It's used to justify prejudice and argue for laws against immigrants in places like France despite the hist… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 12:34 AM |
| 8 | "But more women are killed or seriously injured by male partners!"You have moral obligations to people that scale with your capacity to hurt them. In that case we ought to put just as much extra emphasis on the wrongness of women emotionally abusing men since they have a much greater demonstrated capacity to do so and men have a much harder demonstrated time trying to, for example, replace an abusive or neglectful partner. I'm willing to entertain the idea that we ought to consider inherent gender/sex differences when judging bad behavior the way you want to w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?I generally agree, but in an argument that won't do much. Whoever's on the other side holds their position not because they were dispassionately combing through statistics and obscure journal articles and from that ultimately built a worldview. They started with a worldview and the justifications came afterwards. We all do this to some extent so it's a truth worth introspecting about and not just trying to weaponize, but in an argument the real point they want to make isn't in some stat they pul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 09:26 AM |
| 6 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?I absolutely hate talking about stats or citing "papers" as they pop up in online discourse. It feels to me like just a 21st-century version of citing scripture. Everyone can find something to support whatever point they already wanted to make and dismiss anyone else as biased or understanding it wrong. It's just exhausting and never goes anywhere or gets at the most important point of why people are taking the positions they're taking to begin with. It never starts at "statistics" or some rando… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 06:35 AM |
| 8 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?This is basically everything I was going to say. The way these kinds of people take an extremely uncommon scenario and hyper-focus on it to downplay or outright ignore any other issues regardless of how harmful or widespread they might be is one of my biggest pet peeves with disingenuous feminist discourse. Thanks for saving me a few minutes of frustrated typing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?Man that citation just reads like some conservative, selection-biased nonsense. Read some David Graeber at the very least. What comes to be popular or outcompetes other strategies to grow isn't necessarily some ontological universal. Also you're an insulting jackass for no reason so I'm done responding to you. I'll just say if you're this much of a defeatist, why are you even here? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/24 08:59 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?Is it a "human constant?" Or is male disposability and the enforcement of damaging norms on them the effective constant? And if it's the latter, well, women not holding overt positions of hard power had been nearly a universal constant across cultures for all of recorded history until the last half century or so but we changed that. If that constant can change, the way men are treated can change too. It's a question of collective will, not possibility. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/24 08:20 PM |
| 31 | I'm really confused about MensLib take here.The problem is most of the feminists pushing that don't actually care about the source of those stigmas. They just treat it as men being too fragile or homophobic or emotionally repressed or whatever else to be open and so their idea of a solution is to tell men, in no uncertain terms, to "man up" and get over it. What they don't do is acknowledge and challenge how social norms are enforced on men, quite often and sometimes even primarily by women, which compels men to act, dress, speak, etc. a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/24 08:30 PM |
| 86 | I'm really confused about MensLib take here.You're completely right. This is a good post and the tyrannical mods there hate it because it offers a genuine and good-faith criticism of feminist praxis. They can't have that for the same reason the Catholic Church couldn't tolerate Galileo. For what it's worth, what you're talking about sounds like gender abolitionism which is a label I'm comfortable identifying with far more than feminism precisely because any time I've seen your criticism brought up, feminists react exactly like the mods on… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/24 06:28 PM |
| 8 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?Don't be a pussy and fix yourself, fuck!!! Yeah you're not gonna have much luck here shaming men along traditional "masculine" lines to pressure them into agreeing with you. And if you're supposed to be the example of someone well-adjusted after subjecting themself to therapy, I think you're doing a great job pushing people in the opposite direction. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/24 09:37 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone have a news source for how many American men go to therapy?The male suicide rate in the UK is more than triple the female suicide rate. So even there the gap still exists. In 2022, the suicide rates for males (16.4 deaths per 100,000) and females (5.4 per 100,000) were consistent with rates between 2018 and 2021. But I agree with some others that a person like this absolutely doesn't care about men. She's looking for an excuse to individualize a clear social problem and make it all the fault of lazy, incompetent men rather than anything cultural. She's … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/24 06:44 PM |
| 19 | Subsidy to all female students by charity, a gender discrimination?On paper. Of course in reality they can do it for literally any other reason no matter how stupid so as long as they don't write down, "I'm hiring/firing this person over their race or gender," they can totally do just that and if anyone asks say, "uhhhhh, I just liked/disliked their haircut," and be legally in the clear. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 09:38 PM |
| 67 | Subsidy to all female students by charity, a gender discrimination?It's totally discriminatory, though I suspect it would be legal in my country, and it reflects the problem with letting private individuals amass huge amounts of wealth and control it as they desire. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 09:04 PM |
| 3 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Yeah I try to be sympathetic when I suspect that's the case. Lord knows I'm surely putting out hostility based on my past despite my best efforts sometimes. But when it comes from a deeply privileged person complaining about things they only know to complain about thanks to social media, I lose a lot of my patience. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 08:47 AM |
| 1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?I am in the US, I just find the colloquial use of the word here less than useful. And I still think most of these people conceptualize what they're doing in a liberal sense. They DO see themselves as standing up for freedom of diversity of perspectives and the right to self-expression. They just believe that certain categories of people who can be identified with identitarian labels are either silencing other perspectives or being silenced themselves. They view what they're doing as bringing equ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 06:25 AM |
| 1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?and the only way to clarify that you're NOT into identity politics if you're on the left is to call yourself liberal. Not true at all. I'm a communist. I'd argue identifying as a liberal puts you firmly outside the left. There's a reason the liberal party pretty much everywhere besides the US means the staunch supporters of capitalism with maybe a few guardrails. And they're generally seen as firmly "center-right." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 04:33 AM |
| 7 | Has something drastic happened to Menslib?Feminism has concepts for harmful beliefs about men and why they're perpetuated. It has concepts for how difficult it is for men to adhere to masculine standards. Why disregard those things? Because the vast, vast majority of people who identify as feminists don't even go far enough into the literature to get to the half decent takes like those of bell hooks and just use feminism as an ideological justification for the prejudice that started them looking for intellectual validation in the first … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 02:18 AM |
| 1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Plenty of vile racists are ok with black cops too. They see those men as exceptions. As "one of the good ones." Of course they're still subject to be stripped of that designation as soon as they step out of line. Trans women, in their eyes, are men who are deliberately trying to hide their nature to get access to vulnerable victims ("real" women). Just because TERFs are willing to make use of certain men to advance their cause doesn't make them not misandristic. The same way that racists being w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 01:58 AM |
| 4 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?I would say focusing on making prisons less violent hellscapes would be a better solution but I get your point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 01:02 AM |
| 4 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Some of the most even-handed, open-minded people and some of the most vicious sexists I've encountered have been trans people. It feels almost like what I've seen from people who've experienced significant traumas. Some turn into empathetic angels and others turn into selfish monsters. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 01:00 AM |
| -1 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Rabid identity politics weirdos are usually liberals, not leftists. If anything it proves fishhook theory better than that horseshoe theory crap. Edit: by "liberal" I mean they support some version of the liberal capitalist status quo with accomodations and tweaks based on particular identitarian conceptions of privilege added on. They're the types of people to tell you the most important thing in the world you can do as an activist is voting for Democrats and who are generally scared of the wor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/24 12:33 AM |
| 4 | What are people's opinions on TERFs and trans rights in general?Maybe it's different in the UK? In the US, TERF is much more of a straight-up insult and the only outlets that platform them tend to be explicitly right-wing. The mainstream liberal sources all seem pretty much on board with trans people. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 11:13 PM |
| 9 | The Apex fallacy is definitely another paradox that put men into a double bind.This is exactly it. For how much feminist theory cribs from psychoanalysis, so many feminists seem completely oblivious to ideas like the unconscious or desire. Except when they're weaponizing them against men, of course. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 09:04 PM |
| 11 | The Apex fallacy is definitely another paradox that put men into a double bind.And even if you use all the "right" language, calling it patriarchal norms or whatever, they still hate, hate, HATE when you point this out, either denying it's true or just insisting men shouldn't care. It really goes to show that for the VAST majority of so-called feminists, they don't care about repressive systems or gender equality or anything like that. They're identitarian bigots who'll say and do whatever they need to in the moment to elevate their particular in-group at the expense of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Victim blaming male suicideIntent is what matters to me. But that's going to include unconscious motivation so it's impossible to directly measure let alone quantify. The best you can do is measure proxies like success. Of course that still leaves room for interpretation but I think intent to kill oneself is one of if not the most compelling explanations for why certain people are more or less likely to succeed. And I don't think it's necessarily a binary. There's a whole gradient of less to more intention to succeed whic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 10:03 AM |
| 32 | Victim blaming male suicideYou can always tell something is bullshit when multiple discrete logical steps are being employed to describe the behavior of a cohort in the thousands of individuals. People don't act in a narrative kind of way. They just don't, not on that scale. I've seen that narrative offered up more times than I can count. I'm not just pulling steps out of my ass. This is the line of reasoning many people trying to downplay male suicide or paint it in a way that makes those men somehow problematic follow. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 07:58 AM |
| 84 | Victim blaming male suicideThe worst, in my opinion, is the oft-repeated line about men choosing "more violent" ways to kill themselves which is used to both paint men as uncaring and self-centered because women ostensibly care more about who might find their bodies and to downplay the undeniable fact that men commit the vast majority of successful suicides as nothing but a consequence of "male" impulsiveness and violence. Of course the suggestion that men might follow through successfully with suicide more often because … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 06:31 AM |
| 2 | One of the most glaring Feminist contradictionsNo, they blocked you | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/24 05:07 AM |
| 8 | The ‘doing __ aggressively to see my husband’s reaction’ trendAnd quite ironically given their claims to the contrary, it only works because of how much men generally want to do right by women and help with their problems. If they didn't, shaming them by calling them "part of the problem" wouldn't do anything. Imagine (or just look at examples of) men trying to do the same to women. It's generally much less effective because women tend to hate or just not care about men far more than men hate or don't care about women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 09:17 AM |
| 7 | The Left has failed Men ... I guess | F.D. SignifierGod, he sounds like the epitome of an identitarian liberal who just has the worst takes on every possible issue. Replacing economic justice with some twisted hierarchy based on identity labels. I honestly find those kinds of people more frustrating than out-and-out right wingers. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 04:27 AM |
| 2 | We shouldn't have a unattractive men vs attractive men mentality.It'd be really silly, huh? Well then alright, I guess when we hear from billionaires how exhausting and alienating and stressful their lives are we just have to accept that. And so when the time comes to make policy decisions that either help working people at the expense of billionaires or vice versa, no one can claim there's any way to socially prioritize those positions so we end up in a stalemate and nothing can change. Brilliant. Also suffering is absolutely subjective. You might be able to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/24 12:45 AM |
| 2 | We shouldn't have a unattractive men vs attractive men mentality.I mean, I'm sympathetic to this argument to an extent, but also I could use this exact same logic to say maybe Jeff Bezos really DOES have a harder life than a sweatshop worker in Bangladesh making cheap garbage for someone else to sell in Amazon. After all, suffering is subjective so who's to say who really has it worse? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 05:41 PM |
| 14 | We shouldn't have a unattractive men vs attractive men mentality.That is a natural outcome when you have a totally unrestrained market. Free market economics leads to wealth inequality, free market sexuality leads to attention inequality. If anything I'd argue the latter has a more drastic effect because most people at least concede that everyone has basic economic needs that have to be met but most won't consider the same when it comes to desire. Now I don't think that means we should start regulating or socializing sexuality the way I think we should with t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 05:35 PM |
| 3 | Is the empathy gap genetic?Happy to. You as well! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 06:40 AM |
| 8 | Is the empathy gap genetic?David Graeber. Some of the things they mentioned he directly talks about in some of his books like The Dawn of Everything or Debt: The First 5000 Years. There are things to quibble with in his (very, VERY long) books, as will almost inevitably be the case, but they're absolutely worth reading. I consider Graeber something like the equivalent foil to social Darwinist anthropology that someone like Robert Sapolsky is to the most base, pessimistic, deterministic kind of evolutionary biology and psy… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/24 06:34 AM |
| 6 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?It's literally just ableist prejudice which tells you nothing about a person's character or what kind of long-term partner they'd be, but rather than acknowledge and confront that, they just label it an "ick" and let it persist unexamined. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 09:30 AM |
| 8 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?Everyone constructs their personalities in order to fit in with others. Some more consciously, some less. The only exceptions tend to be social pariahs and maybe even literally pathologized. This is why children exhibit all sorts of behaviors and attitudes that get significantly pruned by the time most become adults. It's why people tend to adopt the customs of the culture they exist under rather than there being some genetic predisposition towards formality among Japanese people or boisterousne… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 11:15 PM |
| 1 | The growing popularity of right wing ideals is scaring me as a man.I mean, I don't like any of this either but that's hardly different from what the contemporary "left" demands of men either. They occasionally pay lip service to the contrary but not much more than that. "Conservative" represents traditional gender roles which were rigid and restrictive for everyone but did each involve advantages and disadvantages. The liberal feminist "left" is largely about abolishing the advantages of the traditional male role yet maintaining its expectations and responsibil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 11:06 PM |
| 5 | “Large psychology study debunks stereotype of feminists as man-haters” - ”The Misandry Myth: An Inaccurate Stereotype About Feminists’ Attitudes Toward Men”And setting aside questions about how exactly they define misandry based on the questions asked and the validity of self-reported data on beliefs, that could easily just reflect how pervasive misandry is and serve as evidence that we live in a gynocentric society. I'd be willing to bet they caught a lot of right-wing people in the "non-feminist" group who have ideas about men being dangerous and women being these fragie creatures in need of protection which is quite a different angle to come at … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 05:55 PM |
| 5 | My Thorough issue with Menslibthere are not a lot of left wing but male advocating spaces and I think r/menslib gets a lot of well meaning people like yourself go through a churn where they try to make it work because the potential is there, only to find the overcorrection and dogma stifling This is exactly how I ended up there only to get banned for pointing out the similarity between certain feminist rhetoric regarding men and racist rhetoric about black people. So now here I am. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 04:33 AM |
| 6 | My Thorough issue with MenslibNot just in media (well, fictional media). Think of all the sympathetic, doting coverage Melania Trump gets in liberal media compared to Donald. As if she's not a morally bankrupt gold digger who was perfectly willing to support Donald in all his exploitative or worse activities in exchange for access to the billionaire lifestyle. To the extent she's pulled back from him now it's only because she doesn't seem to like being associated with him to the degree that happens now that he's been preside… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 04:02 AM |
| 4 | What's the deal with r/menslib?"Financial abortions" are a related but also very good test imo. I've always advocated abortion rights for everybody because no one should be forced to be a parent if they don't want to be and I've literally never heard an argument from a feminist who disagrees that isn't a carbon copy of straight-up conservative, anti-abortion arguments i.e.: "they should've thought about that before they had sex," "everyone consents to the risk," "should've used birth control (even in cases where the woman lit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 11:04 PM |
| 26 | Insane interaction with “mod” of r/FeministsUncensoredI've tried being diplomatic like that before too. It doesn't work. They weaponize rhetoric that's purposely as emotionally charged as possible to dominate anyone who pushes back against them and the gentler you do that the easier it is for them. I'm willing to have very civil, nuanced discussions but I will not do it for the kinds of people that dominate subs like that anymore. They always use it as an opportunity to pounce. I don't like that I have to default to being as confrontational as poss… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 08:51 PM |
| 6 | Meta analysis shows that sexualized content in video games doesn’t cause body dissatisfaction or sexism in players, and studies showing a link are poorly designed or have researcher expectancy effects.I would be curious to see how something like violent, patriotic media like Zero Dark Thirty or Call of Duty (especially the Modern Warfare and Black Ops series) affect attitudes towards societal or geopolitical violence as opposed to making people overtly violent in their day-to-day lives. The latter it seems has been pretty thoroughly shown not to change but the former I haven't heard about being studied and I do think there's reason to believe it primes people to accept either the necessity or… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 09:50 PM |
| 15 | Several questions I have for this sub1 ) Human beings, capable of the full range of behaviors and attitudes that label implies. 2 ) Never really thought about it. An all one gender society sounds pretty insane and I can't imagine anyone who starts fantasizing about that is in a good place. 3 ) Some places (geographic places but also "places" as in particular arenas) yes, other places it's more valuable. I'm in a deeply liberal, urban area of the US and I think where I live is proof that it is possible for feminism to "go too far." … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/07/24 04:20 AM |
| 11 | I think it's high time we teach men to be independent and support each other.It's very common for feminists to bounce between biological essentialist and social constructivist arguments depending on what's convenient in a particular conversation. It's very frustrating once you notice and makes it clear that intellectual consistency is secondary to advancing their identitarian agenda. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 12:42 AM |
| 14 | Misandry from a popular webcomics artist and moreShe's a pretty big man-hater. Really loves painting herself as the ultimate victim. Also a bit of a weird simp for billionaires if I remember her comments on a few posts a while ago correctly. I find her abrasive and rarely that funny. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 28/06/24 12:13 AM |
| 19 | It seems like a lot of men are highly motivated by sex, more than they actually desire it.Oh for sure. It's a much smaller proportion of women than men but they exist and I'm sure it's generally just as painful. But mainstream contemporary feminism seems to have a significant puritanical sex-negative streak, probably because of the different issues men and women tend to have here, and women who don't enjoy that abundance of desire are just collateral damage. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 04:14 AM |
| 38 | It seems like a lot of men are highly motivated by sex, more than they actually desire it.Doubt there's much chance of changing it and I'm dubious of anyone who's convinced it should be changed. I also want to say that while I believe men may be more driven by it than women on average, it's still something that drives almost all people to a significant degree. The difference is most women receive plenty if not an overabundance of it and can take that for granted, especially rhetorically when met with men talking about the opposite experience. I think this is probably one of the most … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 03:04 AM |
| 3 | There's victim blaming everywhere I goBetween the myriad confounding variables to consider, the fundamental subjectivity of the issue, and the shaky at best reliability of self-reports as objective data, I doubt there's anything like comprehensive, reliable data on this either. From my anecdotal perspective as a guy in his 20s living in an extremely liberal, "progressive," urban area, it doesn't seem to be slowing down at all. Women (and most people) pretty much universally identify as feminists here and I see no pushback on the "ha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 12:23 AM |
| 5 | There's victim blaming everywhere I goPeople get really hung up on labels but as long as you mean something like "a socially enforced set of expectations that men AND women hold men to," then I don't really care what you call it. I do think though that perhaps the biggest stumbling block is admitting the dominant mechanism of that enforcement and trying to address it. When it comes to women enforcing "toxic masculine" norms on men, that mechanism is primarily through sex and romance. In order to address it, women will need to recogn… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 09:09 PM |
| 1 | How do you avoid becoming an incel?Lacan > Jung | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 07:30 AM |
| 6 | There's victim blaming everywhere I goI think love is one of those words that's really hard to pin down and a lot of people don't seem to mean it the way I do when they say it. For example, yeah, barring some absolutely heinous act I can't imagine choosing to stop loving someone. If you "fell out of love" because you got bored, for example, then you never loved that person as far as I'm concerned. You may've been infatuated with them for a bit, but that's different. I also think phrases like, "sometimes loving someone isn't enough,"… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 03:20 AM |
| 6 | How many men rape?I think the origin for that claim is actually a very shaky study that was done at a university in like Montana or North Dakota where the researchers asked male students (no female students as a control either) if they'd have sex with a woman who didn't consent if they knew they'd face no consequences for it and they asked them to answer on a scale from 0 to 100 with 0 being an absolute no and 100 being an absolute yes. Then they took anything FROM 10 TO 100 as "yes, this man would be a rapist if… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 01:24 AM |
| 11 | How do you avoid becoming an incel?A basis in left-wing, anti-essentialist thought helps keep me from going off the deep end. By that I mean a lot of right-wing types believe in essential traits that dominate all human behavior and immutable structures that determine the shape of society. That's not limited to gender roles but it generally includes them. By viewing social systems as contingent and malleable and human beliefs and behaviors as at least in part shaped by those social systems, not only does that allow for exceptions … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 11:43 PM |
| 3 | Why are men turning to the right?Well I'm aware now. Just another hack seething that anyone would dare stand up to their raving narrative. It wouldn't bother me except for the fact these people have actual institutional power behind them in exactly the way they want to pretend we do so explicitly lying and breeding outrage within their cult can have actual material consequences. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 09:16 AM |
| 3 | Why are men turning to the right?More fucking sensationalist lies. As if somehow men had some long-standing, unearned advantage in electoral politics over women. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/HBM4kaiNPU No wonder neoliberals lean into this nonsense to avoid scrutiny for actual exploitation. You're the best tool the right wing has in its pocket in the 21st century. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 09:07 AM |
| 6 | Why are men turning to the right?And now you're farming karma on the literal radicalfeminism sub out of this "conversation?" You're just another filthy identitarian ghoul. Nothing to do but stir up outrage with other members of the cult when people dare deny your tried and true tactic of screeching demands for sympathy and hoping the stigma against talking back to women would do the arguing for you? You're delusional. If you had to spend a month living as someone actually hated for their gender you'd probably kill yourself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 09:03 AM |
| 5 | Why are men turning to the right?Your manipulation of the truth to try and make it so women are some unique victims of discrimination disgusts me too. So guess we're even. Only difference is I'm used to what it means to actually be hated for who I am so I don't expect telling you how disgusted I am to elicit sympathy the way you do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 08:59 AM |
| 6 | Why are men turning to the right?Are you denying that it was legal to deny a woman to own land or generate credit? This is not the same thing as what you said. It was and is legal to deny a man the same things. That doesn't mean that it's illegal to grant it to them. This slippery use of language is precisely what makes your statement sensationalist propaganda. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/24 01:27 AM |
| 8 | Why are men turning to the right?Women were literally owned by men and couldn’t get credit or a house or land or vote. This is literally not true. You can even find refutations of these sensationalist talking points on this sub if you care to look. But judging by your post history I suspect you're just here to stir shit up and solidify your own biases by eliciting pushback rather to engage in anything like good faith. Still, information is there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Why are men turning to the right?I agree that's a blind spot a lot of idpol liberals have, especially when it comes to idealizing either native or foreign societies, but the fact remains that within the Western economic, political, and social paradigm, which is the paradigm most of us live directly under and which has come to a dominant position in the world, "whiteness," a fluid category as examples like Italians, Irish, or Jews make clear, in opposition to other racial categories has been central to the ideological proliferat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 03:18 AM |
| 2 | Senate democrats push for requiring women to sign up for military draft, leading to huge backlash.Being born in a place doesn't obligate you to have some loyalty to it. "Tacit consent" is bullshit. It's just the contrivance you need for nonsense like "the social contract" to be even vaguely defensible. Of course I understand why the leaders of any country would want conscription to be possible. The logic is dead obvious. But at the same time I understand why normal people wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Consider all the regions of Ukraine where men have been very forcibly conscripted t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 03:01 AM |
| 9 | Why are men turning to the right?I mean race makes a hell of a lot more sense than gender as something where there's been an oppressed and an oppressor. Black people in the US were effectively locked out of wealth and power in a way that doesn't translate to women, for example. Women have always existed in all social classes, the same as men. The argument from feminists is that men had power and women didn't but it's much more accurate to say traditional gender roles each came with advantages and disadvantages. Men had responsi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 01:35 AM |
| 23 | Male advocates who are left wing whose content I should check out?Unfortunately I don't have much to offer but I just wanted to say I appreciate you telling your story and your capacity for self-reflection and empathy. I identified as liberal and moved much further to the left before taking on positions that challenge the orthodox feminist narrative. I believed it for a long time and in retrospect it caused a lot of self-hate and issues with confidence which the mainstream "progressives" and "right-wing" both find different ways to blame me for. I also live in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 12:44 AM |
| 110 | Why does therapy so often suck for men? | Chris WilliamsonI think one of the reasons therapy may be less effective for men would also make coaching or any approach meant to "focus on improving the level of agency a man feels" potentially of limited benefit. And that's the differences between how social reality treats men and women. I've talked about this before, and so rather than go over it all again, I'm just going to link a comment I wrote in a discussion a while ago using body image issues in men versus women as an example: https://www.reddit.com/r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 12:10 AM |
| 29 | Addressing the issue of societal attitudes towards masculinity…Just to comment on the third paragraph, we've spent decades problematizing, challenging, and significantly changing men's harmful, "patriarchal" expectations for women. In that same time, but especially since the rise of social media, we've done nothing but encourage women to place as many demands, even contradictory ones, on men as they can imagine. The best defense they can muster for this is the same defense all assholes need to lean on: their right to do it. That trend is (in part) directly … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/24 10:56 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralYes. And the argument is over whether that's reasonable or will cause more harm or trouble than it's worth. I think OP is being a bit hyperbolic to say it's cultural genocide but I understand where that point comes from. And the people claiming any sort of touch without explicit permission first is harmful are being just as hyperbolic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/24 03:10 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralI don't think that's nearly as cut and dry and you're trying to make it sound for a number of reasons. First, even within the context of sex, "yes means yes" instead of "no means no" isn't exactly a common let alone universal dynamic. Plenty of people find it unerotic and unappealing. Second, social contexts make drawing a line between "invasive" and "non-invasive" actions impossible to firmly establish. What's typical in one culture or social context could be "invasive" in another. Even in the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/24 02:29 AM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralYou didn't read what I or OP said. You're contriving the worst possible scenario you can to allow yourself to be mad. If you want to insist on misinterpreting then go ahead I guess. I'm tired of this. If you want to read more carefully and come up with something better, I'll be here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 11:06 PM |
| 6 | Debunking the myth that parents treat sons perfectlyThe fading bias against girls should cheer all who desire a more egalitarian society. But there are risks to society if what replaces it is a bias against boys. I understand how careful academics have to be, particularly in this area, but god does all the virtue signaling and superfluous insertions of "if" annoy me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 08:54 PM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralThat would be on the extreme end, but ultimately yes. If you read OP's post and comments carefully though you'll see that social context plays a significant role in determining what's more or less reasonable to attempt at a certain time or in a certain space. "Yes means yes" is a dangerous, quasi-legalistic overreaction to the problem that social context is inherently ambiguous and places both far too much of an exhausting and generally undesirable burden on human interactions and is far too eas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 08:45 PM |
| 2 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralI think you're now leaning closer to what OP is actually arguing for than you realize. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 08:39 PM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralIt "makes zero sense" that just declaring something to be true and repeating it with italics for emphasis sounds like how a religious person would argue rather than how someone who'd reasoned there way to that position and understood it would argue? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 08:06 AM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSounds like basically a religious commitment rather than something you can argue | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 07:58 AM |
| 1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralAnd their point is that if one person needs to always get permission for any act they wish to initiate from another, then that's the same dynamic. By your standard someone kissing someone else without express, verbal permission would be violating consent. There can't be signs or signals or any other kind of ambiguous communication or assumption of social norms in that paradigm. And it certainly can't just be an aesthetic difference in preferences with no "violator" and "violated" parties. Each a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:53 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSure. By saying "no." What you're not allowed to do is arbitrarily decide what you consider harmful based on nothing other than your personal preferences and turn that into an obligatory, universal ethical law. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:17 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralIt absolutely is. They're exposing you to whatever they decide to say "without your consent." Your just making an arbitrary (in OP's vernacular: aesthetical) cutoff when it's something like a hug. But there's no basis besides arbitrary preference to consider one of those harmful but not the other. So you can say "I don't want you to hug me" just like you can say "I don't want you to talk to me" but you can't expect, nor should anyone ever try to make it legally binding, that no one can do either… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 06:15 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralThe point isn't that you can just walk up to someone and start fucking them. This is exactly what they mean when they say you're straw-manning them and not thinking about the point clearly because your knee-jerk reaction is to disagree. Read some more of what they wrote. Actually try to understand. You're still making it clear you haven't even understood them so you're in no position to claim you disagree from anything other than the standpoint of an emotional impulse. As a contrasting example, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 05:56 AM |
| 32 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralAs I understand it, "yes means yes" means the rule is asking for and being granted explicit consent for every act, every time. Can I say hi to you? You need to grant me explicit permission first. Can I touch your arm while we're having drinks? You need to grant me explicit permission first. Can I start dancing behind you at a club to see if you want to dance with me? You need to grant me explicit permission first. Then every act leading all the way up to and including during sex, you need to gra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 05:07 AM |
| 41 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or Moralbut if it is a pattern of behavior after I told you no... Ok but see this is a "no means no" ethic, not a "yes means yes" ethic | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 05:01 AM |
| -1 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSTILL at it? I swear, women on this sub take to bullying tactics the way fish take to swimming. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:57 AM |
| 0 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralSlapping a different label on the same thing doesn't make it a different concept. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:55 AM |
| -4 | ‘Yes Means Yes’ Is Just Topping From The Bottom, It Isn’t A Valid Ethic, Law, Or MoralMaybe you're just a judgmental moron who can't argue and just uses shaming implications that end in ellipses to try and make pick surrender to you when you don't even understand their point... And maybe the mods will erase this comment because saying this constitutes a breach of "civility" but you calling people "babes" and insisting they don't know what they're talking about doesn't constitute an "indirect attack against an individual..." for some reason. But at least I'll know for sure, if tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/24 04:53 AM |
| 1 | (MULTIPLE STUDIES) People stigmatize autistic men more than autistic women and less willing to hang out with autistic men than autistic women.Hey. Late to the party. I know. This guy posted a comment up above that says what I'd have wanted to say at least as well as I could've. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/yoSDaDe6oT This matches my experience quite well. Perhaps it's not some sexist tyranny forcing women to comply which somehow results in these women having better social experiences. Perhaps it's women in general being treated with more acceptance, more sympathy, less rigid expectations, and less suspicion which gives them t… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/24 11:40 PM |
| 2 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.I'm sorry, I need to elaborate some more because I feel like you're still not going to accept what I'm saying. I'm not just casually dismissing your characterization of women's experiences here. I'm dismissing or at least seriously questioning them based on evidence and solid reasoning. The most generous interpretation I can come to of what you said, assuming it's at all reflective of the typical woman's perspective, is that you're inundated with shallow physical desire and nothing more serious … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 08:03 PM |
| 2 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.As soon as anyone stops defending what they're saying and starts defending their "right" to say what they're saying, you've got a good indicator they know they've got no real leg to stand on. You keep insisting you're "not making a comparison" while comparing men's and women's experiences every step of the way. You can dodge around that by trying to say, "I'm not saying who has it worse," now but you're complaining about the quality of the in-flight meal to people who are starving. If all you ca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 07:20 PM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.So all of this seems to boil down to you saying, "but I never said ALL!!" If that's the case then you're ALREADY doing better than me and doing better than most men. You want to attack me for "having the audacity" aS A mAn to comment on your experience while you're trying to make some comparison to mine. You can continue to insist that's not what you're doing while you offer all this up in response to me pointing out how men struggle but that's exactly what it is. A comparison. How you as a woma… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 07:09 PM |
| 67 | Niche question: Any other men here that previously identified as nonbinary? How has navigating identity worked out for you?Not quite, although I did spend a bit of time questioning my gender identity and wondering if I might be better described as nb or trans. But I eventually came to realize it's not that I don't think I'm a man. It's that I don't identify with a lot of the rigid and often deeply negative stereotypes about men that proliferate in a cultural zeitgeist dominated by liberal feminism. But that doesn't mean I'm not my gender. It means the image they're selling of my gender is wrong. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/24 11:36 PM |
| 21 | Is all this a good use of our time?I worry about a lot of the same things you're laying out here. If I'm being optimistic, I'd like to think this is what the first steps have to look like. Discussion of male issues in general but especially from a male perspective that might be critical of mainstream feminism is effectively forbidden in our society. The only things close to that which touch the mainstream are Red Pill or Andrew Tate-style stuff and even that's still gynocentric and harmful to most men. It just says, "yeah, women … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/24 12:36 AM |
| 40 | You're not alone in your views on financial abortions. This article from Australia even draws comparisons to how they are fundamentally compatible with feminism, which may help those who won't accept MRA viewpointsThis is one of the issues that really opened my eyes to the sheer hypocrisy and misandry driving so many self-styled "feminists." If you're at all consistent in being pro-choice this is a complete no brainer. And the only arguments I've ever seen against it are word-for-word repetitions of anti-abortion ones with a different gender subbed in. Pro-choice should mean pro-choice for all. Always nice to hear a woman willing to stick up for that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/24 03:24 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 3: First I just want to get this out of the way so I don't have to keep saying it: I could do without all the lol's and snark. I've tried to be charitable and respectful here even though we disagree because I thought we could have a more nuanced discussion than I'm used to. But if you're going to just pounce on charity and meet it with rhetoric as charged with misplaced certainty as so many online feminists do to make their points seem solid, then this is a waste of time. It's the same … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:34 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 2 (part 2): It could be argued that men set this standard, just as you argue that it’s women pressuring each other on makeup and fashion. Most women don’t like roided-up bodybuilders if that’s what you mean. Men care much less what other men think than women seem to care what other women think. This is a discrepancy even women will point out in other contexts, agreeing that men seem to disproportionately seek or only care about emotional validation from women. I'm also not talking about… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:33 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 2 (part 1): Well then which is it? Do you believe that women do it “for themselves” or for other women? If you think it’s both, then surely you can acknowledge how men’s preferences also play a role here, especially for the women in showbiz/entertainment type jobs that heavily rely on their looks/sex appeal. I don't think anyone tries to groom or present themselves in any particular way "for themselves." The very concept of looking attractive, professional, or any other kind of way woul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:33 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 1 (part 3): See the above. Instead of trying to cram these into a gender-neutral lens, why not acknowledge that capitalism and patriarchy intersect and uniquely disenfranchise women workers by devaluing both feminine traits and female biology... Because as I mentioned above, in addition to never having been as cut and dry as you're trying to make it, that discrepancy has largely been removed from capitalism in liberal, imperial core countries in the 2020s. To the extent such gendered di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:29 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Response 1 (part 2): Define “debunked”. Are you denying that men make more than women, which is the observable reality? Or are you just saying it’s not due to sexism? And if that’s the case and there is no societal component, why does the wage gap differ among countries? I hope you don’t complain about boys falling behind in school then… Claudia Goldin won the """Nobel Prize""" for economics for her work which demonstrated that while discrepancies in earnings between men and women exist, when co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:29 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Ok your responses took several posts to respond to as well. I'm also posting them here separately because Reddit won't let me attach them to the corresponding comments for some reason. I'm just gonna post them all in a series attached to this one so the notifications don't blow up. Response 1 (part 1): Well yes, the material conditions of economics are more obvious than a social system that arises from interactions between humans — still doesn’t mean it just doesn’t exist. Do you believe this ab… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 07:28 AM |
| 13 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?And seeing as this is (ostensibly) a left-wing sub, I feel like I can also point out the similarity between that and the women that flock to successful capitalists. While that may not necessarily be a crime, it often involves taking harmful, selfish actions which are at least as bad as many things legally considered crimes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 07:40 PM |
| 29 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?I mean, I'd just point out how much more complex human behavior is than one hormone. I'd say they should try reading Robert Sapolsky's book Behave which talks about how testosterone is not anywhere near as simple as just "the aggression chemical" among scores of other factors in human behavior from the neurochemical all the way up to the sociocultural. I'd point to the examples of women in high positions of formal authority who were and are just as ruthless and self-serving as men in those posit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 10:27 AM |
| 108 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?Men commit more crime. That's just true. I think part of that can probably be attributed to biological differences but I also don't think that's the whole story. I'm a systems thinker. I try to understand the why of things on a systemic level whether that's about race, age, class, or gender. So with that in mind... One factor worth considering is the pressure for men to act as provider. This social pressure is engrained in our culture at all socioeconomic levels. Lots of men resort to crime, inc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 09:28 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.Fair enough. I see that you've posted a response to one part by your comment history but it's not showing up in the thread. I'd love to respond but can't as of now for some reason. Maybe it's an issue on Reddit's end? Wanted to let you know in any case | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 08:20 PM |
| 3 | The problem with feministas, a.k.a. Feminists who have primarily been educated bout feminism online.I basically agree with this but the one caveat I'd add is that maybe "radical" should be replaced with "passionate." "Radical" or "extreme" tend to imply outliers on whatever ideological spectrum might be in question, but there are plenty of people supporting "centrist" takes or the status quo more generally. It's the people who are most passionate about whatever's being discussed who are most likely to comment, and in that sense you can see plenty of "radical centrism." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 08:45 AM |
| 11 | Have you tried talking to a therapist about these struggles? What came of it?That's gotta be a huge part of it. On the one hand, I've never seen so much awareness of or support for the Palestinian people against US-supported repression and brutalization by Israel. On the other, I've never seen so many young people, especially privileged women, repeating the same paranoid identitarian hatred as if they're living oppressed lives in a university town in one of the most liberal areas of the US in 2024. It's quite the double-edged sword, social media. It's powerful no matter … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 08:35 AM |
| 1 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.As the other person said, capitalism is far more tangible and rigorously defined that patriarchy. The power that comes from control of essential resources and means of production is clear and demonstrable while the power that supposedly comes from being a man is at best much less clear and at worst quite contestable. Hard vs. soft power, social coercion, benevolent sexism (e g. the "women are wonderful effect") etc.. Additionally, the patriarchy discussion quite often seems to distract from issu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 09:41 PM |
| 5 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?Christ, the only people more weirdly smug than evolutionary biologists are evolutionary biology students... Observe this simple fact: that culture may liberate or inhibit certain instincts, but never create any new attitudes. This has literally been the basis of everything I've said so far but you're so determined to pick a fight and feel smart that you're missing it. I'm not bothering with anything else you've said. You're being a dick for no reason and obviously not interested in listening. I'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 08:01 AM |
| 2 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?they can never have effect upon our nature - this very fact implies that they can never be the source of any of our prejudices and behaviours. Well that's not even true from a vulgar biological determinist perspective. It's not like humans are some fixed eternal entity. Like all species the definition is less than firm and drifts with changes over time. If human social constructs influence human biological reproduction, then the social can absolutely influence what you seem to mean here by "natu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?I'm not really sure what your point is. Sure, whatever "human nature" is, we can't escape it so long as we're human, but it feels like you're trying to imply there's a very rigid model of it, probably sexually dimorphic, which you believe is dominant among the influences that shape our behavior. I don't think that's the case. A number of different characteristics define our nature and malleability by socialization, especially at an early age, is clearly one of the most prominent. I don't see why… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 06:19 AM |
| 38 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?Arlie Hochschild, the originator of the term "emotional labor," has even talked about this. How the term has been distorted and misused to describe "alienation" from what should be "enchanted" labor in a loving relationship. That doesn't mean there are no issues leading to that, of course, but the people who use the term that way tend to be more interested in weaponizing their alienation against men than in examining the systemic causes of it and addressing them. Although she probably wouldn't c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 02:22 AM |
| 69 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?This. Also a lot of feminists will bemoan men's tendency to seek emotional validation exclusively from women. Yet when it comes to social norms men adhere to, they like to pretend it's almost exclusively men who are responsible for inculcating other men with those norms. Setting aside the ABSURD assumption that women do this much less than men for a second, if men only or primarily care for the emotional validation of women, then why would what other men think even matter? To invoke a common pit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 11:12 PM |
| 38 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?Whether nature or nurture (and it's probably a combination of both, of course) that doesn't stop most people and feminists in particular from saying whatever they don't like about men can and should be changed. I believe we collectively have a considerable amount of power over social dynamics. Nurture is more important than nature as far as I can tell. In this I'm much closer to the constructivist position a lot of feminists take. But the upshot of that is that women's attitudes and behaviors ar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 11:03 PM |
| 8 | The disappearance of men | Christine Emba from Big ThinkThis was put quite well in the essay that's been going around by Jennifer Coates. https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42 "One of the students tells me that I can’t be objective about masculinity because I am a straight cis male, and that I should shut up and listen. Are these my people? I don’t correct them. I never correct anyone. It is interesting to see where people insist proximity to a subject makes one informed, and where they in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards MenWell it sounds like you just don't want to believe me so now that you've gotten your little passive-aggressive comment in I say we just leave it at that. I really don't feel like trying to type out a whole essay to explain something to someone who probably just doesn't want to hear it anyway. Feel free to just continue thinking I'm some deranged idiot if it makes you feel better. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 04:04 AM |
| 15 | Do any other “non-masculine” men also struggle with a lack of acceptance?Yeah that's basically the trajectory I followed too. There's a solid amount of feminist scholarship that contains good ideas I think are worth pursuing. My issue is that in practice almost none of that filters down from the half dozen good academics to the millions of women (and men) who claim the mantle of "feminism" when they actually put it into practice. Most of them, at least in a liberal, Western, 21st-century context, are just female supremacists and/or misandrists. Hence my (secret) brea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 11:15 PM |
| 3 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.My guess is (if they're not just completely making it up) they're dividing total number of "attacks" by total population to get attacks per individual. But that ignores that there are far, far, FAR more encounters between men and women than between bears and women. Most bears will have zero encounters with a woman on a given day. Most men will have dozens of encounters with women on a given day. That's the relevant metric for how dangerous encountering a random man is compared to encountering a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 09:20 PM |
| 22 | Do any other “non-masculine” men also struggle with a lack of acceptance?I've started identifying as a gender abolitionist rather than a feminist. Of course in public I just wouldn't mention it or would probably just lie and say I identify with feminism if pushed because it's such a dominant cultural force where I live, but yeah, personally, I find gender abolitionism captures my feelings about gender roles for everyone better than feminism does. Feminism is supposed to be an emancipatory movement for everyone but I just don't see it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 08:59 PM |
| 4 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Likewise. I'll continue not to be terribly bothered by a problem that's nowhere near as bad as it's framed by the crusaders who, like Zionists discussing anti-Semitism, want to blow it out of proportion and make it the center of their political and cultural beliefs. Although I will also continue to point out, as I do with Zionists, how deceptive that framing is when they weaponize it to shut down dissenting perspectives, deceive well-meaning people who aren't as familiar with their rhetorical tr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 05:05 AM |
| 1 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Who's talking about the law? The hundreds of comments I've seen and surely thousands I haven't all making this point are unconcerned with the law. If the law were different (as indeed it used to be) they would still cling to it nonetheless. They're about making as emotionally affective a point as possible, a rhetorical technique certain kinds of "feminists" relish in leaning on. I doubt you've actually missed the point so completely, but in case you're as dim as you're pretending to be, I'll mak… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 03:43 AM |
| 4 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this."Objective standards" Don't make me laugh. This is precisely what I was talking about. The fact you think it's some vindication of your point shows how deep within a particular ideological framework you are. This comment starts to address the issue in more detail than I want to try typing out: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/mZ9EbQuSZK But tl;dr: this is not the slam dunk you think it is | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards MenLol I'm glad? I think? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 02:56 AM |
| 6 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Yeah but by that definition I've had multiple "bad experiences" with women too. I've been touched when I didn't offer explicit consent. I've been aggressively hit on at work when I had no choice but to stay there and be polite. These are the kinds of experiences the vast majority of women who claim to be "victims" have actually experienced and I don't at all consider those experiences indictments of all women. They were uncomfortable but all things considered minor and reflect on a small minorit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 02:07 AM |
| 7 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.Oath Keeper husband + women's studies student wife? Geez, I really wanna just be a fly on the wall in their house. For morbid curiosity's sake. That's wild Of course the cyncic in me wants to say: even feminist women will literally date a far-right militiaman before dating a non-masculine man 🙄 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 02:00 AM |
| 2 | Apparently 1 in 3 women are attacked by men according to this.By the "normal standard," yes, but I'd argue that that "normal standard" is just kind of... absurd? Like, sure, someone touching your butt on the dance floor without your express consent is a kind of "violation," but I just don't think it's that big of a deal. There are other violations of consent, the kind most people think of when they hear the umbrella term "sexual assault," that all this ends up lumped under which are obviously terrible. But when it comes to the much more common, minor viola… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 01:56 AM |
| 1 | Thousands of Australian men have shared their thoughts on modern masculinityStoic philosophy and the trait or behaviour of being stoic are different things. Conflating these two things is what results in prejudiced and ignorant views of Stoic philosophy that are sadly widespread. Please explain how because I've heard this more times than I can count but never heard an actual explanation that held any water. Sometimes all you can do is accept that which you cannot change. Identifying such occasions is a part of Stoic teaching. That does not mean being apathetic or indiff… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/24 01:04 AM |
| 1 | 30 men have died while attempting to leave Ukraine to avoid fighting in warAlors vous voulez l'essayer en français ? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 10:45 AM |
| 9 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards Menexactly what the neolibs want in society: a weak, divided, angry, and disengaged working class. It's always struck me how well women do in fields like HR or management in general among the more liberal capitalist firms where they're recognized and sought. My pet theory is that, by nature or nurture, women tend to have a much higher propensity for conformity than men, which would also partially explain why they do better under the highly regimented, metric-driven, memorize-and-regurgitate model o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 10:40 AM |
| 5 | Man Bear MegathreadWhere are you seeing this? I'm seeing a hell of a lot more prudishness and sex-negativity but ALSO less interest in commitment from people in their 20s around me. Sexual orientations are widely accepted but sexuality itself seems arguably more taboo than it was for the Boomers, and certainly more than it feels like it was even a decade or so ago when I was in high school. I dare say I see just less focus on or interest in sex/relationships in general, at least in the hetero world. Sexuality feel… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 04:34 AM |
| 10 | Man Bear MegathreadYeah I spent years doing that. All it will get you is further condemnation and admonition. I'm still willing to have conversations like that if I find reasonable feminists, but it's not what I default to anymore. ESPECIALLY online. They've gotta demonstrate to me that they're able to be reasonable before I'll make that effort. Maximally emotional rhetoric is how they make points that they don't feel confident letting stand on their own. Fight fire with fire. Any concession will be perceived as w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 01:59 AM |
| 4 | Man Bear MegathreadThere's been a blog post going around from a trans woman who refuses to transition and one of the passages that stuck out to me was: "I was, and am, made to live as a boy and I cannot suspend the perspective that gave me and join in when it's time to fluster one of those clueless fuckers into anger by calling him a fuckboi and then tell him his anger proves he's a fuckboi, or to humiliate one with an OKCupid screenshot because we've willfully conflated the clumsy ones with the threatening ones s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 10:24 PM |
| 5 | Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.u/eli_ashe can you give the misleading aggregation of statistics speech? You're so good at it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 11:24 AM |
| 7 | Man Bear MegathreadThis is true, but it does run counter to the narrative about "women's intuition" or the idea they offer seemingly just as often as this explanation, that they in fact CAN pick out bad/dangerous men based on hints or feelings, which mostly just boil down to picking out awkward, shy, or less than conventionally masculine men. Really wish we could let THAT narrative die but shunning and picking on neurodivergent men seems by far like the most acceptable form of prejudice in our entire culture. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 08:24 AM |
| 1 | Reasons why the Red Pill want a war so badly?But instead they only got half: men expected and forced to at best suffer the trauma of peer-to-peer war which will likely leave emotional and physical scars that last a lifetime and at worst first themselves brutally killed, tortured to death as a captive, burning to death trapped in an overturned vehicle, bleeding out after a limb is blown off by an army of flying bots hunting them through the dark. Women, meanwhile, aren't asked (let alone forced) to do anything of the sort, aren't asked (let… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 06:56 AM |
| 11 | Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.I hate how they weaponize concepts to try and make them unchallengeable and incomparable. I've seen lord knows how many women declaring they'd absolutely rather be eaten alive by a bear than be raped over the last couple days. Even while rape survivors comment on how insulting and absurd that is in the same posts! Like, I don't WANT to be making comments like, "rape isn't the worst thing that can happen to you." Because even if it's true, it feels gross and callous to even say out loud. Like say… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 06:26 AM |
| 31 | Feminist Spaces Frequently Encourage Hateful or Uncompassionate Attitudes Towards MenSome. Like, a woman did make this post after all. It's not all of them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 06:12 AM |
| 7 | Thousands of Australian men have shared their thoughts on modern masculinityI think from a left-wing perspective it's something to at least be VERY cautious with. Let's not forget the most prominent figures behind that philosophy were rulers of brutally expansionist slave states like Marcus Aurelius. It's inherently a conservative philosophy with its praxis centered entirely around the individual. Being a little provocative, I'd go so far as saying it's a philosophy geared towards allowing both slave masters and slaves to sleep at night then get up in the morning and pr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 02:29 AM |
| 3 | The wonderful people on blatantmisogyny are calling one of your threads "misogyny"While it's missing the point, this gotcha does have a raw logical validity to it which is why when I use this analogy I say black person. The relevant point is that statistically speaking black people, regardless of gender, do commit a disproportionate amount of crimes in the US. So going by their usual logic that men commit a disproportionate amount of crimes, it's just as justifiable to be blanketly prejudiced against black people as it is to be blanketly prejudiced against men. With the obvio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 10:44 PM |
| 2 | The wonderful people on blatantmisogyny are calling one of your threads "misogyny"I genuinely can't tell if most of them just don't want to admit this or if they're genuinely so... dumb they don't understand it. Like, I know plenty of women who are good at math or have solid reasoning skills. I know it's not inherently a gender difference. But with these women it's just astonishing. I'm usually tempted to say it's just a rhetorical strategy of playing dumb and taking the worst reading they can out of anything the disagree with. Like how it's popular advice women give to each … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 10:22 PM |
| 5 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I saw someone post something like "this article shows that 1/3 of men would be rapists if they got the chance." The link was, I shit you not: wearawhitefeather.wordpress.somethingsomething I wish there was more doubt to give them the benefit of but I'm not seeing it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:59 AM |
| 2 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I'm convinced it depends on where you are. I live in the Bay Area and while, like with just about anything else, it's not as exaggerated in real life as it is online, this is definitely a popular current here and you wouldn't need to scratch too far beneath the surface to get women to start talking just like the "femcels" online. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:56 AM |
| 8 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.Remember, you don't win an internet argument by proving the other person wrong, you win by not being the first to get triggered. God I hate that this is exactly how it works | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:50 AM |
| 11 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I pointed this out somewhere and predictably got downvoted. The question a lot of women seem to be answering whether they realize it or not is actually, "would you rather be lost in the woods with the best behaved bear or the worst behaved man?" No shit when that's how you interpret the situation you'd pick the bear. But that wasn't the question. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:46 AM |
| 8 | How to respond to people who choose bear over man.I mean, there is something to be said for taking philosophical frameworks like liberalism à la Mary Wollstonecraft or psychoanalysis à la Judith Butler and developing them to serve a different purpose than the originators may have intended. The frustrating thing is how often feminists seem completely unaware of the genealogy of their own philosophy and how often they complain that men are "co-opting" their ideas if they do the exact same thing with a concept like intersectionality. Double standa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/24 12:42 AM |
| 7 | Man Bear In The Woods With A PigEven if I am caught and it comes down to the worst of the worst (from the man)… AS A SURVIVOR, I know which fate i’d rather choose. It’s obviously a highly sensitive topic, so I won’t vocalize my choice, as obvious as it may be. But I just don’t understand how things like this go viral. I really wish you would. I think the taboo around questioning this kind of assumption is a big part of the rhetorical strategy here for maximizing victimhood. They try to make it as socially costly as possible to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/24 10:03 PM |
| 10 | Man Bear In The Woods With A PigIt's just about the only kind of crime that women (arguably) are more likely to experience than men so of course it's got to be framed as the absolute worst thing anyone can experience to fit the victimhood narrative | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/24 10:00 PM |
| 4 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?I just finished responding to the first response you left so I'm going to first copy that in here: You can if you want, but I've read Kropotkin, I've read Proudhon, I was brought to the left largely by contemporary anarchists before realizing what I see as serious limitations within the ideology. Egoist communism is new to me but my god if it's anything like what it sounds like it should be absolutely no surprise why it sounds like liberal self-help. You saying what it's supposed to be doesn't n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 04:49 AM |
| 8 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?Mmm, not so much, I think. I think anarchism has a strong tendency to fall into liberalism precisely thanks to its insistence on the supremacy of the individual and often enough its denial of the unconscious or the influence of ideology. This passage seems indistinguishable from what one might hear from a liberal capitalist therapist with the only difference seeming to be the suggestion that that's not what it's for at the end. But if the individual is both rational and sovereign, I don't see wh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 04:20 AM |
| 10 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?We get rid of the blinders of ideology by constantly asking ourselves... How do I feel? Am I enjoying myself? How’s my life? Am I getting what I want? Why not? What’s keeping me from getting what I want? What makes you think these are questions that lead out of ideology? These seem directly tied to individualist liberal consumerist ideology where the material desires of the self are taken for granted rather than examined and deconstructed and their pursuit is the only thing that ultimately matte… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 03:37 AM |
| 2 | Why doesn't intersectionality theory able to explain the disadvantage of men?Unless you believe that oppression or exploitation literally don't exist, then writing it off because it's derivative in part of Marxism is a silly argument. And even if you only place limited stock in the concepts of oppression or exploitation, the command of material resources which Marxism focuses on seems like the most rock solid example of such dynamics one could ask for. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 01:40 AM |
| 6 | Why doesn't intersectionality theory able to explain the disadvantage of men?When it comes to theories without an institutional core which inherently manifest in the practice of individuals who take them up (so think anarchism as opposed to something like Marxism) does it matter what a few academics think? In practice, most people who claim to adhere to those ideas just seem to think of it as a point system where man is more points than woman, lighter is more points than darker, Christian is more points than anything else, straight is more points than gay, money is more … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 01:08 AM |
| 1 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:Well my point here is that the alternative seems to be at least as bad for different reasons and another point I didn't touch on is that I don't think true "self worth," without any sort of external validation, is a thing. Self or social worth, as you put it, is always contingent on external validation, which is why you would even need to try and appeal to a change in standards like you're doing in the first place. If it was truly SELF worth, then what you or me or the surrounding culture though… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 09:29 PM |
| 1 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbYeah, I am too. You can find me calling it out relatively regularly if you dig through my comments | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 11:00 AM |
| 1 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbI mean, looking at their profile yes, they are, but this post doesn't seem to be a problem in that regard. Someone like that dashing(random number) person frequently makes posts or comments that actively push right-wing positions and I think that's much more worth calling out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:51 AM |
| 3 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbWhat are you looking for then? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:36 AM |
| 5 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbThat topic is such a good litmus test for whether or not you're in a space that's going to tolerate honest conversations. I'm 100% pro-choice. Which means women get the final say on whether or not to birth a baby since she has to be pregnant, despite the emotional consequences that could have for men, and men can opt out of supporting a woman and a baby he doesn't want for as long as she can choose to abort. It's an eminently fair position, perhaps even slightly leaning towards benefitting the w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:28 AM |
| 3 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbBut even if they accept your point here, they'll then just write that off as some women having "internalized misogyny" from all of us living in such a misogynistic, patriarchal culture. There's literally no way for misandry or prejudice by women to ultimately be anything other than men's fault if this kind of ideologue wants to go that deep. It's a religion. And it keeps going. As you filter down into smaller and smaller populations who are even willing to entertain these points instead of just … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:09 AM |
| 5 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:Indeed, as far as I can tell it's almost the opposite at this point. "Don't spend your life concerned with others (God forbid, you might even be 'codependent' if you do that!). Just find some socially acceptable career path to throw yourself into and content yourself with hobbies (read: consumerism) as a self-sufficient, individual worker." I honestly feel like we all, men, women, and anyone in between, could use MORE emphasis on the value of interpersonal relationships, romantic and otherwise, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 10:04 AM |
| 12 | The type of men who feminists generalize men off of (the only kind of men who are misogynistic). Here's some info about them:And just adding this on (which will help the people who need a reason beyond just caring about men in general for why this is a problem) I KNOW it actively harms the left. I myself still participate in direct action, activism, mutual aid projects, etc., but I also know how taxing that work can be. It's no secret to anyone who does it. Burnout is real. And I know that I would have more capacity to keep that up if I felt less like an outsider, less like almost an intruder, in these spaces than I d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/24 09:52 AM |
| 1 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?There are definitely a lot of people posting here who are covertly or not-so-covertly right-wing. It bugs me too. But I think differences based on location must count for a lot of the different perceptions people have. It seems like such wildly different stories come up that that's the only way I can make sense of all of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/24 08:26 AM |
| 6 | Poland ready to help Ukraine to get military-age men back, minister says.We shouldn't be on "either side." We should be trying to rally the everyday people of Russia and Ukraine and supporting them in standing up to their imperial masters who are all too happy to use them as cannon fodder in their geopolitical maneuvering. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 09:53 AM |
| 3 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?Where do you live?? I live in the Bay Area and what you're describing is almost the exact opposite of my experience. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 08:33 AM |
| 7 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesOh hey, we might've been in that same torrent. Good to see ya | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 03:46 AM |
| 2 | ‘We have a crisis of male violence’: Attorney-General says men must step up (collective punishment and responsibility)This is one of the clearest examples of hypocrisy I've seen from feminists. Literally every single argument I've ever heard against it is exactly what anti-abortion conservatives say to women. I left purplepilldebate after the mods locked and then disappeared a huge post on this topic once it was clear that overt hypocrisy and conservative arguments were all the misandrists had on the topic. That was the final nail in the coffin for that sub in my opinion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/24 01:00 AM |
| 23 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesSometimes. Although I've met a lot of trans women like this I've also met a fair few who seem to adopt any and all of the most radical feminist takes including deeply misandristic ones. Maybe they feel that in order to be accepted as a "real woman" they need to make clear they stand with any and all women who call themselves feminists and don't give off even a whiff of opposition? Given the radical spiral popular feminist spaces tend to exhibit, I can understand how this could feel like the only… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 11:18 PM |
| 4 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?He said to a student asking about dating that men would have more luck looking outside the Bay Area | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 08:35 PM |
| 68 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesTrans men definitely seem to get ignored a lot of the time. Even when discussing trans people the subtext or overt focus is usually on trans women. Maybe it's a combination of both trans people still being marginalized in a lot of places and men in general just not having their issues acknowledged or cared about? In any case, I'm sure it sucks and hope more people start paying more attention to you, especially cis men who it seems face a lot of similar issues anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 08:17 PM |
| 25 | Trans Men Are Our Greatest AlliesThat would be trans women | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 07:42 PM |
| 9 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?Funny enough, I think one part of the solution is to drill into men the same rhetoric that has been drilled into women for the last couple of decades "i.e. that they don't need a man". I find myself a bit torn here. On the one hand, there's obviously a strategic advantage the more men more deeply embrace this. On the other, I think it's probably not good for us as a species/culture to continue encouraging atomization and hyper-individualism. I also can't help thinking that if push comes to shove… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 07:09 AM |
| 22 | Are the majority of men anti-MRA and gynocentric?This. I had to laugh a few weeks ago when this statement a professor made got blown up into a wild controversy (not even worth going into but you can probably find it if you Google around) and this woman was quoted, on the record, with her full name, in the school paper, the day after it all started saying she was "afraid to speak out." Yet in just that time, the vast majority of the student body, several professors, the chair of his department (who happens to be a woman), his college within the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/24 01:56 AM |
| 19 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?Have you ever heard of Michel Houellebecq? A lot of his novels touch on this topic. And while they certainly have a very pessimistic, I'd even say reactionary tone, they do a good job of capturing what can happen to a man's mind when he gets the shit end of this dynamic. Whatever and Atomised are a couple examples of his books that deal pretty heavily with this topic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 08:34 PM |
| 62 | Why do lefists treat dating market so differently from other markets?I've talked about this a few times before so I just copied one of my comments on suggestions for what to do and will paste it here. It's general, since the discussion never seems to get much further than that, but maybe here that will be different. Seems like a good place to start in any case: "It would probably help to take an analogous approach to raising and socializing girls as we've taken to raising and socializing boys in the last several decades. Media has changed to highlight non-traditi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 11:30 AM |
| 1 | Request for Career Ideas in Helping MenNo no no, get that EA crap out of here! This is a left-wing sub. We aren't about Sam Bankman-Fried's preferred ethical framework. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/24 09:18 AM |
| 8 | Men don't need to open up more; society needs to be more perceptive.The feminist to right-wing pipeline starts with embracing that kind of thinking | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/24 12:35 AM |
| 4 | Why are so many men so angry? (https://12ft.io)And why does it seem like the younger they are the angrier they tend to be? Not only do younger people just definitionally have fewer life experiences but the younger generations of women have undeniably lived in a world more catered to them as feminism has been undeniably successful in changing laws, politics, and culture over the last several decades. Just considering those factors, younger women should be less angry on average but that doesn't match my experience. I mean, hell, how often do y… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/24 06:48 AM |
| 11 | Am I the only one who thinks the talk of toxic masculinity is nothing more than a shit test/manipulation test from society in order for the powers that be to keep looking for things to scrutinize in men?I've said it before, but as an example: I haven't learned that I need to bottle up my insecurities and act like a rock around others because of how men have treated me. I've learned to be that way because of how women have treated me. I don't want to be that way, but I also don't want the social rejection and isolation that comes with refusing to live up to that expectation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/24 09:19 PM |
| 2 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsWell some of the concepts you've brought up before are already helping me as I find myself drawn into conversations with, let's say, more conventional feminists on the Tumblr sub here. So although they're quite wordy, I generally enjoy seeing your posts here. It's clear it comes from a place of familiarity with feminist and gender theory but with a critical perspective that you don't usually see in those with that familiarity. I find that very valuable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/24 07:45 PM |
| 2 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsQuite the write-up. Thanks! Appreciate the thorough response | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/24 06:33 PM |
| 3 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsYeah between that and "ethically obligatory concerns" smelling like the categorical imperative, I was reminded of Kant. But I haven't read much of him directly either. Just excerpts and secondary literature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/24 11:35 PM |
| 2 | How To Commit Mass SV With StatsWhat is the theoretical background you're deriving this framework from? It seems sort of Kantian to my lay eye but I'd appreciate more details. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/24 03:47 PM |
| 4 | Croatia considering reintroducing compulsory military service. This tsunami of misandry is rapidly sweeping the entire world.We're talking about war here. If this person thinks rape is the worst thing that can happen to a prisoner then they're just objectively ignorant. I don't want to be raped. Obviously. I would also rather be raped than have quite a lot of things that captives in war commonly suffer happen to me. Or things that non-captive combatants suffer. You have to be ignorant of those things to privilege rape so highly. There's just no other rationale for that unless you're completely disingenuous and just ma… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/24 01:16 AM |
| 2 | Croatia considering reintroducing compulsory military service. This tsunami of misandry is rapidly sweeping the entire world.But i would argue, if you live in free society, it is better for us to win a war against an aggressor. Well I'll let you know how I feel about that as soon as I live in a free society. I'm sure you wouldn't be so ridiculous as to consider capitalist oligarchies "free," right? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/24 01:11 AM |
| 6 | On a post about the popularity of yaoi in Japan. I don’t think they will ever realize the irony of thisUpvote for mention of Lacan. There's also this idea that 2nd-wave feminists like de Beauvoir took from psychoanalysis that men are allowed to be contradictory while women are expected not to, which is what concepts like the Madonna-Whore complex are built on. It's funny because I think once you understand that it becomes clear that at least today it's men who are viewed as bad for being humanly contradictory. For example, I wish I didn't just get categorized as "weak" and therefore a bad example… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/24 03:43 AM |
| 14 | Croatia considering reintroducing compulsory military service. This tsunami of misandry is rapidly sweeping the entire world.I'm sorry but there are things so much worse that can and do happen to captives during war that it's hard to see it as anything other than internalized misandry to privilege this one atrocity to such a degree. Also just Google "Abu Ghraib" if you think male prisoners of war don't also face sexual assault. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/24 12:57 AM |
| 4 | Math Group, Tinder, Bumble Change Privacy Policy to Allow ScreenshotsIn theory, sure. But I have a feeling if analogous doxxing/gossip groups were set up by men they'd get shut down in a heartbeat | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 10:18 PM |
| 12 | Partner considering your male advocacy the opposite side / opinionNo, but only because I don't bring this stuff up because I figure the responses you're giving as examples here are about the best I could expect | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 01:30 AM |
| 26 | On April 22, SCOTUS will hear arguments for and against punishing homelessness (which mostly affects men)Another dude apparently ignoring the "leftwing" part of this sub's name and deciding to comment their generic right-wing talking points 🙄 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/24 08:39 PM |
| 2 | Why the oppressor versus the opressed dichotomy is very nonsensical in the context of gender and intersectionalitySo this means feminists can't pretend that a lot of women don't want it both ways. I mean, it probably SHOULD mean this, but it doesn't. I'm sure you've noticed how often anti-abortion politics are blamed on "men wanting to control women's bodies" even though the percentage of anti-choice women is consistently about the same as the percentage of anti-choice men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/24 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Some Books And Concepts Worth Reading And Using To Counter The False Patriarchal Narrative.Good list. I've read some of these and others I've never heard of. Slightly off topic, but for a shorter read that's still somewhat relevant, I'd recommend The Xenofeminist Manifesto, which includes sections written by Donna Haraway. It's probably the feminist work whose vision I've found myself most agreeing with. That is, reading it didn't even just feel like something I grudgingly or apathetically accepted. I was actually excited by the vision of gender they present and the future they aim fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/24 11:30 AM |
| 5 | How Society is Pushing Men Toward Toxic Conservative Values and How AWDTSG is Accelerating ItIt's a capitalist "alternative" to universal, single-payer healthcare. You can quibble over whether it should be considered a Republican idea or a bipartisan idea, but it's undeniably a right-wing idea. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/24 10:51 PM |
| 4 | Is that hate and dismissal that Red Pill movements and Jordan Peterson get justified?Seriously. Want a little taste of why that dude just shouldn't be taken seriously? Watch his "debate" with Slavoj Zizek where he comes off like a high school kid who just read the Wikipedia page for his topic the morning of his presentation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/24 03:24 AM |
| 4 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Imagine how much more powerful the left could be if it weren't for the identitarians pushing so many people away... Like, if I hadn't started out with a strong basis in Marxism after spending years in liberal activism and coming to see the shortcomings of that ideology for myself, the idpol stuff would almost certainly have turned me off from the left entirely just based on association. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 10:23 PM |
| 1 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Lol it restores a tiny bit of my faith in this place that at least the dude just saying "Marx was an idiot" is getting downvoted | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?Right wing fucknuckles believe in gender roles, so why is it so focussed on here? For many of us, our experience is that even women who describe themselves as "progressive" still very much believe in and desire traditional gender roles for men, at least insofar as they benefit women. I think your comments are rubbing a lot of people the wrong way because they're echoing an ideal that often doesn't match reality and dismissing the experiences of people who point that out instead of stopping to co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 07:47 PM |
| 8 | The male loneliness epidemic: be alert and react when you can!Feminism has succeeded in changing the baseline expectations men, particularly in liberal countries/regions, have for all types of relationships with women over the last few decades. I don't see why the same couldn't work with the genders reversed. If moving beyond rigid, traditional gender roles is the objective, I don't know why in both cases it should be purely on men to make changes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 07:37 PM |
| 3 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?That's like me saying REAL feminists don't believe X - it's not super constructive because then it's a semantic game and arguing over the beliefs of people we don't know. Is that not exactly what you've been doing by insisting that "real feminists" aren't misandristic? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 04:18 AM |
| 2 | Why are males more likely to be conservative, and females more liberal?I've gotta say, you seem to have quite a rosy conception of women's socially flexible desires and expectations and quite a harsh conception of men's. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Jesus guess I'll keep my mouth shut. My OP in second screenshot.Do you mean the explicitly bigoted part that completely ignores content in favor of blanket discrimination based on identity? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 12:51 AM |
| 1 | Jesus guess I'll keep my mouth shut. My OP in second screenshot.That makes me wonder how many are really just incapable of sympathy for some reason versus how many are self-diagnosing because it's trendy on TikTok | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/24 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Is that hate and dismissal that Red Pill movements and Jordan Peterson get justified?For the most part, yes. What makes them dangerous is that they often brush up against genuine topics and subjects that need consideration...but they go about it in the most ass backwards way possible. In regards to the redpill, it's largely just enforcing standard gender roles for men and shaming those who don't adopt a performatively aggressive and "alpha" male lifestyle - getting us nowhere. This part especially is EXACTLY right. It's crazy that you're getting downvoted. Lots of hair splitting… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/24 08:14 PM |
| 1 | In Ukraine men aren't safe, no matter the ageThere's no "good guy" or "bad guy" in inter-imperialist conflict. Russia and its allies bear responsibility and so do NATO. A random Ukrainian conscript has more in common with a random Russian conscript than with the leaders of his own country and vice versa. Throwing the world's working class into a meat grinder for nationalism and the geostrategic interests of this proxy war's primary supporters is a tragedy. If those people –almost exclusively men but that's beside my point here– are going t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/24 08:03 PM |
| 4 | What are the cultural aspects of your society that are harmful to men's mental health?I haven't watched a ton of her content so I might be missing some nuance, but as far as I can tell she's a big proponent of CBT which in my experience boils down to labeling any traits, behaviors, beliefs, or attitudes that deviate from some societally determined ideal of "normal" as "cognitive distortions" and teaches techniques for essentially brainwashing oneself into accepting that and learning to perform conformity. It's a very individualizing approach to therapy which I've seen weaponized … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 10:12 PM |
| 6 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?Single very clearly means lonely to a lot of people or they wouldn't be equating them. The only reason I can see for making this invalidating comment is so you can dismiss anyone who says not having access to a romantic relationship makes them lonely. Why is that something you feel compelled to do? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?It's not "hypocritical." I'm a different person. How many chicks on OF have pimps, huh? And of the minority who do, how many are just pure victims who didn't have any choice rather than willing participants? And what sort of conservative-ass argument is, "well anyone who's not an idiot can see this exploitative practice isn't going to fix your problem so if you fall for it you're stupid and deserved it," anyway? "Anyone with two braincells" can see that gambling won't solve financial problems an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 09:19 PM |
| 2 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?You'll have to explain a little more. Is this about that all meat diet trend going around in some male-centric circles online? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/24 08:54 AM |
| 3 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?Which is just so SO stupid. If I as a some kind of communist can come to understand that even capitalists are ultimately just subject to the imperatives and pressures of the system of capitalism, then even if you accept patriarchy theory, this idea that all men are self-actualizing oppressors individually responsible for their own circumstances is ridiculous. But most self-identified feminists aren't even that theoretically literate. They're just reactionary identitarians, hardly any different f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:37 PM |
| 7 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?I know which tweet you're talking about. Ironically, she's a sex worker so she's exploiting the very same people she hates. So basically the same as a casino owner saying gambling addiction is a personal responsibility problem. Or a drug dealer who says the same about substance abuse. I.e., an exploitative asshole with a material interest in maintaining social problems. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:33 PM |
| 4 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?It would probably help to take an analogous approach to raising and socializing girls as we've taken to raising and socializing boys in the last several decades. Media has changed to highlight non-traditional relationship dynamics. Women's issues with those traditional expectations have been highlighted and drilled into boys starting at a young age. Influential cultural and political figures have exemplified something closer to the feminist ideal when describing or demonstrating relationships co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:27 PM |
| 9 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?they're outright saying that men are unworthy to even be in the presence of a woman unless he can magically fix all of his personal flaws in complete isolation Expanding on this, what count as "flaws" are determined socially, external to the individual, and the standard is much harsher for men. "Insecurity" is one example. Women who are insecure are at WORST seen as pitiable. Maybe a little awkward and isolated, but she probably deserves sympathy and understanding. Men who are (or are labeled) "… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:18 PM |
| 11 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?Male body image issues are higher right now than they've ever been since anyone bothered to try and keep track. https://www.eatingdisorders.org.au/find-support/eating-disorder-blog/body-image-issues-in-men/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Australian%20Psychological,of%20disappointment%2C%20shame%20and%20guilt Has anyone else noticed we don't seem to hear nearly as much about women's body image issues as we did even say 5-10 years ago? I can't help thinking at least part of that is because men sta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:09 PM |
| 1 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?"right-wing politics" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 08:04 PM |
| 3 | Is Male Loneliness Self-Inflicted?That tweet is a great example of how contemporary feminism subtly inculcates women with right-wing ideology. It's not the "job" of rich countries to take in refugees from poor counties, even when those countries are stricken with war or natural disasters. It's not the "job" of the oil and gas industry to create a sustainable energy model that won't condemn the Earth to runaway climate change. It's not Jeff Bezos' "job" to provide a living wage for all the people that make Amazon possible or make… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 06:08 AM |
| 8 | Sick And Tired Of The "Women And Children" NarrativeBeyond that, it takes formal power as the only kind of power and neglects soft power. Men have historically held more formal power than women in most cultures and still do in many places today. But what most feminists do with this fact is take all agency away from women and act as if they are and always have been passive slaves to the wills of men. I don't really want to write an essay here, but you can look up how Spartan women were able to influence the course of politics by influencing men wi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 07:19 PM |
| 2 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisSo what term(s) do you use if someone twists your arm and makes you give some labels? I assume being here you identify with some perspectives that get lumped under the broad "left" umbrella. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 01:40 AM |
| 3 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisI think maybe "partisan" would be a better word than "political" for how you're using it here? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/24 07:10 PM |
| 13 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisSoooo many self-identified leftists are really just identitarian liberals. As a leftist, it pisses me off to no end. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/24 07:03 PM |
| 35 | What's your thoughts about this video: Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW AnalysisWorse than that, a lot of women who get into liberal feminism, particularly the middle to upper-class corporate types, end up adopting extremely toxic, hyper-individualist, capitalist values that ultimately draw them away from anything like egalitarian politics and generally towards the right. I honestly think feminism as it's generally practiced in the population is one of the most dangerously subversive anti-liberatory political movements at this time. It almost perfectly divides the populatio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/24 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Men’s therapySeriously. I finished reading it though and you're not missing much. Just bog standard, self-centered, right-wing, conformist, drivel. I know a lot of other male spaces are worse but it bugs me how many overtly right-wing people show up on this sub. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/24 10:02 AM |
| 2 | Queer spaces are filled with man-hate, bi women most affected...it's normal and okay because women are just like that. There's this extremely frustrating strategy I see a TON of feminists use where any male tendency that women have a reason not to like is socially conditioned, usually by "patriarchy" or "toxic masculinity," and can and should be changed. But any female tendency that men have a reason not to like is just inherent and unproblematic so not only can it not be changed, but by the naturalistic fallacy it OUGHT to be respected. "Biological essen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/24 01:32 AM |
| 2 | I got banned from r/boysarequirky for pointing out that caring about isolation epidemic that affects men does not make one antifeminist and no its not just happening to incels.I think the term I most identify with now is gender abolitionist. Because restrictive, traditional gender roles suck for everyone and we should be trying to loosen them across the board. Feminists like to say they're about that, and some are, but a ton of them just use that as rhetorical cover whenever men bring up their own issues while still actively supporting and working collectively and individually to maintain traditional male standards if they benefit women. In liberal, Western countries,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 11:54 PM |
| 3 | I got banned from r/boysarequirky for pointing out that caring about isolation epidemic that affects men does not make one antifeminist and no its not just happening to incels.Man, every time I see that sub I'm just reminded how crazy it's gotten. The "blue/pink pill" misandrists have almost completely taken it over. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Men’s therapyInteresting. This sounds like a kind of nightmare example of psychoanalysis which I've been trying to get for some time now but they're not super common and my insurance hasn't been compatible (US here). I've found a lot of relief actually from reading psychoanalytic literature, more so than I got from "evidence-based" modalities like CBT which tended to just feel like a way of trying to convince me to gaslight myself into being a functional worker without helping me gain any kind of real unders… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 10:08 AM |
| 1 | I Don't Have Anywhere Safe to Share This...That's just the politicalcompassmemes chart. The brand of individualism that's dominant in liberal capitalist countries like the US is, not surprisingly, primarily oriented towards market individualism. It's the furtherance of marketized, consumerist principles to interpersonal relationships that are causing the problems we see. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 02:00 AM |
| 1 | I Don't Have Anywhere Safe to Share This...The hyper-individualism liberalism fosters is right-wing anyway. It's all in the service of dividing and alienating us to create the ideal capitalist subjects who live to work and consume and never act collectively to resist that state of affairs. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 09:14 PM |
| 6 | I Hate The Term "Male Dominated"Men take these roles because of the expectations put upon them, and also because of the lacking alternatives in terms of support, resources, and lower baseline valuation. Most men still require status, income, or competency to even attain a positive value to society. This. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 02:38 AM |
| 12 | I saw this stand up short and I think it represents one problem seen in feminist spaces: Not fully questioning gender norms.I've honestly wondered if I might be some kind of neurodivergent hearing all of these things in the gender discourse and feeling like I so clearly identify with them. Like I remember reading this book, The Case for Falling in Love by Mari Ruti, who was something like a psychoanalytic critical and gender theorist, and feeling like even though most of it was explicitly aimed at women, it matched my experiences and patterns of thought almost perfectly. I've even questioned whether or not I might be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/24 02:15 AM |
| 10 | I saw this stand up short and I think it represents one problem seen in feminist spaces: Not fully questioning gender norms.Cis-het white man so no, I don't get any oppression points | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 10:47 PM |
| 25 | I saw this stand up short and I think it represents one problem seen in feminist spaces: Not fully questioning gender norms.I just want to say I completely identify with that John Berger quote. l feel it in my bones, just with the genders reversed. It makes me wonder am I just some freak outlier? Or is this a universal experience that men just don't articulate as thoroughly or as often? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 09:59 PM |
| 7 | I Hate The Term "Male Dominated"This is also the argument they'll make for why women aren't as prominent as men in certain highly paid and prestigious technical fields even with at least the full legal rights of men, but in those cases it's an argument for why the further adoption of feminist dogma is necessary in those fields rather than an excuse to not pursue them. The blatant identitarian status seeking under the pretense of "equality" is beyond clear. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 08:59 PM |
| 18 | How can we prove the empathy gap?This seems like a good idea but I'd also guess there probably just isn't a lot of institutional academic research on this topic because it's not a "politically correct" topic to look into. There are other examples of questions like that which I think most liberals would find difficult to dismiss such as the lack of studies on police use of force, particularly shootings and killings of people who didn't pose a threat. It's widely known that there's little research in this area in part due to poli… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/24 01:11 AM |
| 3 | How is life for young men in Nordic Countries?It's almost like material circumstances are the basis for social reality and comfort and security give room for positive development 🤔 Hence why I'm a lefty | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/24 10:03 PM |
| 4 | Keep getting banned from subs left and right for talking about my experiences as a male sex abuse victim to rebut anti-male rhetoricSome do. We can debate what the proportion is, but the important thing in my mind is that they don't have to be that way. If I thought there was no changing things, I'd just be a red-pill dude trying to max out my odds of winning "the game." Biological drives and social conditioning both play a role in human behavior. Just as shifting cultural attitudes over the last few decades have significantly changed the baseline male attitude, female attitudes can be shifted as well. I don't think it's pro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/03/24 01:46 AM |
| 21 | Keep getting banned from subs left and right for talking about my experiences as a male sex abuse victim to rebut anti-male rhetoricI've come to basically this same conclusion as I find myself growing more and more distant from activist circles I used to be much more engaged in. Not only is it personally taxing to try and freely give so much of my time and energy when I don't feel welcome or recognized in these spaces, but I feel that this dogmatic focus on identitarian politics is a continuous source of tactical and strategic errors that limit their effectiveness. It's hard enough to find active leftist groups in general. I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 08:50 PM |
| 13 | "Men are more violent" vs. "Certain crimes are worse when men do them"I don't think it's too complicated. I think most people are smart enough to see the glaring issue. They just resort to nonsensical excuses because the cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable but they're not willing to give up their prejudice. I really don't like that aphorism, "never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity." Frankly I think at least as often as not, what could be explained by stupidity actually comes from some sort of malice, or at least bad faith. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 08:34 PM |
| 19 | "Men are more violent" vs. "Certain crimes are worse when men do them"I've literally never seen a good response to this. The closest anyone has ever come is just arbitrarily decalring men, as roughly 50% of the population evenly distributed among all races, nationalities, religions, and economic classes, are "oppressors" and therefore it's ok. I DID get permanently banned from menslib for asking about it though. It really does seem like this is just a slam dunk argument. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 08:31 PM |
| 2 | "What Do We Need Men For?"I think we'd be better off by emphasizing the ways in which we all need each other and can benefit enormously by engaging and interaction, but I agree that the most important thing is that we give all people the same message regardless of gender. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 09:24 AM |
| 12 | Progress: Utah signs due process bill H.B. 414 into law. The bill emphasizes the presumption of innocence, active assistance of attorney and non-attorney advisors, and prohibitions on conflicts of interest in higher ed Title IX proceedings.Crazy that none of that was standard already. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/24 01:09 AM |
| 2 | As LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?Assuming that it's even reasonable to rank appropriate levels of fear, should likeliness of an outcome not play into how we evaluate that? To give a hyperbolic example, being kidnapped by cartel goons after being mistaken for a drug runner who stole some product, taken to a secluded location, and tortured to death while pumped full of adrenaline to keep me from passing out from the pain would undoubtedly be worse than having someone threaten me with a knife while I'm walking home from a bar at n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/24 10:14 PM |
| 2 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?They're not "afraid for no reason." The problem is many are overly afraid because of constant exposure to the narrative that they're in danger which is unfortunate but can be helped. A good many others however weaponize that fear to justify everything from a myopic focus on their issues to draconian or outright discriminatory laws and policies. Those are the ones that absolutely need to be pushed back against otherwise they'll continue to bludgeon us with that emotional cudgel. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/03/24 08:35 AM |
| 22 | Male lawyer sues Mona over women’s-only ‘Ladies Lounge’I think it's fair to say women actually have MORE legal rights than men in many such countries now. For the most part they have equal rights, but taking the US as an example, women don't have to sign up for selective service in order to register to vote and women are allowed to abort a pregnancy unilaterally if they want (at least in liberal states) but if a man doesn't want a baby that a woman decides to keep, he generally has to spend decades financially supporting her for her choice. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/24 08:34 PM |
| 0 | Improving Boys’ Education to Reduce PolarizationPretty much all human tribes, at some point, "stole" their lands. The entire history of humanity, basically, is one tribe after another moving on each other's territory, making war and "stealing" land. Even if this is true, it still represents a potent argument against liberalism which poses itself as a superior form of human social organization because of its supposed inherent respect for "natural" rights, which allows it to make a moral claim in support of everything from cultural hegemony to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/24 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?Well in my mind, anti-capitalism is probably the most important characteristic at this point in time. Although there are right-wing strains of anti-capitalism too, so it also means having an egalitarian bent and perhaps an orientation towards positive rights as well. Of course it's one of those things where everyone is gonna give you slightly different definitions but it's a distinction worth trying to make as far as I'm concerned. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/24 08:34 PM |
| 2 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?I mean, as far as I can tell there is no "left," at least in the US. There are corporate liberals and radical identitarian liberals for the most part. ACTUAL leftists are so few and far between they're basically politically irrelevant right now. That's discouraging in its own way, but at least it helps me maintain the separation between, say, socialists and liberal idpol ideologues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/24 09:51 PM |
| 4 | Asking all colleges: Where is our safe space?some sort of harassment/SA/or even rape I think the issue is in how often all of these are tied together. At this level of abstraction, everything from a guy asking you to dance a few times at a club even though you said you weren't really feeling it the first time to being beaten and violently raped at gunpoint gets put under the same umbrella. It's that kind of aggregation that allows for the most sensationalist claims like, "every woman has experienced sexual harassment or assault in her life… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/24 09:41 PM |
| 12 | Improving Boys’ Education to Reduce PolarizationI remember someone once posting a jokey take that's kind of half true that feels relevant to this: If women wanted to gain total control of industry and government at the highest levels, all they'd have to do is start sleeping exclusively with broke dudes. The dirtier and more broke, the better. The day after they start, guys will be setting up in cardboard boxes on the street corner competing over who can have the dirtiest pants and hobo-iest bindle of crap. All those executive positions would … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/24 08:05 AM |
| 5 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?Ahh, that'd explain it then lol | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/03/24 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Hello- this is an issue to discuss female issues without resorting to any misandry- we’re humans and our job is to work together :)I kind of floated in and out of there over the course of a couple months, so my experience isn't the broadest, but I feel like there's been a tonal shift over there in favor of feminists/"the pink pill" recently. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 06:11 PM |
| 3 | 'Can't your husband/boyfriend cook for himself?' Does anyone else notice the uptick in aggressiveness toward wives/girlfriends for just doing something nice for their partner?This is the absolute core of it and it's why, even if you don't object morally to how right-wing men's "advocacy" à la Tate or Peterson works, it's doomed to fail. The embrace of capitalist values applied to every aspect of human life is a core part of liberal feminism which is by far the dominant strain of feminism. All the right-wing response to it does is tell men that they better lean in and get gud at playing the dollar/status game if they want a shot at being one of the few dudes standing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 09:07 AM |
| 5 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?Liberal feminism is a gateway to bootstraps conservatism by this exact route. It's why the smart new generation of capitalists have all so thoroughly embraced it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 03:36 AM |
| 6 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?Seriously. Like, the amount I've spent on alcohol when really down in the depths of despair about this would be enough to hire a decent prostitute at least once a week. But that feels like a worse, less effective cope than guzzling literal poison. It's so much deeper than just "wanting to get your dick wet." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 03:32 AM |
| 7 | How do we get people to have more empathy for incel men?I think that might be the most comprehensible Hegel quote I've ever read | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/24 03:26 AM |
| 7 | Is a large component of the male loneliness epidemic the general feeling of being undesirable?Not sure why the dvs Probably because it sounded like you were trying to justify it. A lot of feminists have this extremely frustrating habit of bouncing between bio-essentialist and social constructivist arguments depending entirely on which one will advantage women in that particular discussion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 01:38 AM |
| 7 | Is a large component of the male loneliness epidemic the general feeling of being undesirable?everyone should focus on how to decenter your mind from others rather than spend time wondering why or how to get more attention Same energy as billionaires telling you, "money isn't everything -- don't let it rule your life." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Is a large component of the male loneliness epidemic the general feeling of being undesirable?Yes. People want to be wanted. That doesn't just boil down to sexual desirability, although that's usually a component. The desire to be desired is arguably the most universal human characteristic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 01:06 AM |
| 13 | The "Alone At Night" ArgumentWhich country? I feel like a good amount of that rhetoric in Europe is very thinly veiled racism and/or anti-immigrant bias being framed in a way to target social liberals. I feel like especially in France, for example, liberal feminism has become a convenient Trojan horse for smuggling reactionary attitudes into the mainstream. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 12:34 AM |
| 18 | 'Can't your husband/boyfriend cook for himself?' Does anyone else notice the uptick in aggressiveness toward wives/girlfriends for just doing something nice for their partner?On the one hand, I keep myself somewhat sane by realizing most women aren't as deranged as the TikTok lunatics who hate love/romance. On the other hand, I see them having more and more influence especially on young women and this hollow, transactional view of relationships becoming more and more common. I've experienced the results and it both scares me and makes me incredibly sad. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/24 12:27 AM |
| 6 | No space for peaceful incelsI was talking about body image issues and the gendered effectiveness of therapy (particularly CBT) the other day and I think one of my comments is relevant to this discussion. It was fairly long though so I'm just going to link it rather than trying to rewrite it for this conversation specifically. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1b7zojd/what_are_some_misconceptions_women_have_about_men/ktq19u4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_butt… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/03/24 09:11 PM |
| 8 | My Mixed Review of the SOTU, and Why Biden needs to address men directly if he wants to win; used the words woman/women 12 times, men/man only once.And that means one is a bodily imposition and the other isn't? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 02:06 AM |
| 8 | Loneliness pandemic and mental health issues, I wish mental health professionals did make lots of Investments and training on this topic, more than what they are doing.I don't think it's unpopular to suggest there would be high demand for products like that. I think the problem is suggesting that's necessarily a good thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 12:08 AM |
| 8 | My Mixed Review of the SOTU, and Why Biden needs to address men directly if he wants to win; used the words woman/women 12 times, men/man only once.Child support is a financial obligation, not a bodily one. This is a terrible argument. Please explain to me how anyone except maybe the ultra-rich are supposed to meet decades of financial obligations without their bodies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/24 12:01 AM |
| 1 | It's Gender Studies, Not FeminismIf you want a pseudoscientific field that rejects "blank slate-ism" might I suggest psychoanalysis? In my opinion it has much better answers to subjective questions fields like neuroscience and empirical psychology ignore without falling into the asymmetric ideological pitfalls feminism tends to. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/03/24 02:20 PM |
| 0 | Yougov survey indicates men are more supportive of sex-workers...Careful, being ACTUALLY left-wing here is... controversial | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/03/24 03:50 AM |
| 5 | Did anybody read ‘Of boys and men’ by Richard Reeves?I think a less flattering but still defensible way of describing those traits would be "a propensity for conformity and obedience." I'm not sure those should be considered de facto "better," but technocratic, late-capitalist control societies (in the Deleuzian sense of the word "control") definitely do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/03/24 03:37 AM |
| 3 | How do you explain to some people who maybe don’t understand misandry or the harms it causes, that it’s different to “heterophobia” or “anti-white racism”?It was in the comments here | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/24 10:29 PM |
| 7 | How do you explain to some people who maybe don’t understand misandry or the harms it causes, that it’s different to “heterophobia” or “anti-white racism”?I saw a comment on a blog post from a lesbian woman that feels relevant: "Also, big sigh, AS A LESBIAN, since that matters: being told that you are constantly inadvertently sexually harassing people, possibly even by talking to them at all, and that objectifying thoughts make you a disgusting person and that most women feel constantly besieged by creeps, will terrify a certain segment of the population into hating themselves for attraction to women. My girlfriend spent years believing that if yo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/24 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Identity politics: in defence of ‘old white men’It might be argued that statistically old, white men have bad politics from a left perspective, but young, black men are criminally dangerous from a statistical perspective as well. But not only is this a very poor excuse to demonize all young, black men, emphasizing it also neglects systemic factors for why they might be more likely engage in criminal activity which relies on or at least feeds into prejudical essentialist attitudes. Bernie Sanders is an old, white man, and while I have my criti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/02/24 05:54 AM |
| 1 | So, Blake Lively is a misandrist, apparently. Is it really getting this bad?Well yeah, liberals don't actually mean Left when they say "left" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/24 10:32 PM |
| 3 | "You have to answer for men's bad behavior."I know you weren't talking to me but I'd just like to say personally I noticed these examples in the opposite order. I was "left wing" before "male advocate." Despite not being Muslim or Arab (or something like Indian Sikh which would often be confused for them) I saw the absolute unfairness of trying to hold entire groups of people responsible for the acts of a minority of individuals they had nothing to do with and how prejudice was one of the main drivers of that attitude. It's actually havin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/24 02:55 AM |
| 2 | How to offer basic critical analysis of patriarchal centered gendered studiesMarxism and critique of capitalism seems like the odd one out here as it relies on classifications of an economic position rather than creating divisions and hierarchies between people based on immutable characteristics. People are born a certain sex. They're born with particular traits that mean they'll be assigned a racial label. No one is immutably born a worker or a capitalist and those categories could be eliminated without dehumanizing anyone. Just as sophisticated Marxists will claim that… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/24 12:23 AM |
| 4 | Let’s talk about incelsI don't want to dismiss the challenges I'm sure you've experienced, but man, I feel like I'd have no issues here if even 30% of women DIDN'T hold neurodivergent tendencies against men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 09:19 PM |
| 6 | Let’s talk about incelsIt seems like at a societal level we could at least make this a little better by actively socializing and educating people starting from a young age to be less rigidly judgemental about deviations from "normal" behaviors, eccentricities, etc., including by providing examples in day-to-day life and media rather than leaning into traditional tropes and emphasizing competitive, hierarchical modes of social organization. No one needs to be forced to be with anyone else in particular. But as changed … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 09:16 PM |
| 2 | R/menslib feels like so weirdDrawing this comparison is what got me permanently banned from that sub. And now here I am | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 11:43 AM |
| 22 | r/Ask a feminist 'hey, y'all think it's a heteronormative complex or what?'....Holy crap. That top comment chain... She never even makes a single argument. She just starts by declaring that she's definitionally right then unloads paragraph after paragraph of searing, emotionally charged rhetoric designed to shame others into compliance without any effort to meaningfully engage, let alone persuade, them. And judging by the vote totals, the majority of that sub completely agrees with both her position and her argumentative strategy. You're more patient than me, I'll give you… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 04:05 AM |
| 1 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Right, which is still largely contingent on the material provision for and cultural accomodation of women by men. Although I don't agree with everything about the red pill or what comes out of the "manosphere," their growing popularity suggests men are starting to reject that paradigm. I would argue one of the less harmful ways that might manifest is in concerted efforts in the cultural sphere to push back on the hyper-individualist, puritanical, consumerist mindset a lot of women have adopted i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:41 PM |
| 1 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Maybe, maybe not. Most men have been taken in by feminist arguments that appeal to equality and provide for or accommodate women along those lines, but that could change as they start to understand the self-serving reality of how a lot of those arguments have manifested in the real world. The "supply and demand" in the dating market is almost entirely culturally determined. We still need each other and there are roughly equal numbers of us, after all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:30 PM |
| 1 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?You can do the same as has been done and continues to be suggested for men: change the cultural values they're inculcated with to alter the baseline expectations of the population over time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.Where does AI even come into this? Once again, are you actually familiar with the idea or just riffing off what you think the label means? Also if you're worried about AI, you should look at how capitalist automation is working right now, which is obviously much more directly oriented towards serving the interests of the elite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.Is that actually your understanding of the concept based on earnest examination and consideration, or are you just riffing on what you assume "cybernetic socialism" means and maybe a quick glance at a Wikipedia page? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.Cybernetic socialism à la Stafford Beer? Since trying to use moral pressure to fix the world via individual consumer choices or convince entire populations of people to just vote out systems that they don't have the option to vote out, especially when forces opposed to them have orders of magnitude more military, economic, and propagandistic powers, which is a large part of why we're in this position in the first place, isn't viable. If it was, we could just convince everyone to immediately and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 06:39 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.I used to say that too but unfortunately that ain't gonna cut it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged....but I'm very certain that it is the strongest reason. I agree. I just wanted to point out that there are reasons to be concerned about it even if most of the people you hear complaining about it are just racist asshats. As for the second paragraph, it sounds like we're on different planets philosophically/politically so I doubt we're going to be able to do much besides agree to disagree here. Edit for your edit: are we using "social security" differently? To be clear, I'm in the US and social… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.it will cause mass immigration and I don't like brown people You can be worried about mass immigration for better reasons than that. "Brain drain" already has detrimental effects on peripheral regions and increased migration to core regions will only exacerbate that. Additionally, with that band-aid "solution" available to core powers, there will be less incentive for those with the capacity to make changes that benefit all of humanity to actually do so. Similar to the issue of climate change-in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Falling fertility rates seem to be a problem of falling marriage rates, which in turn seem to be due to lessening of the gap between male and female privilege. Hence it might be impossible to raise fertility rates unless egalitarianism is challenged.We absolutely do have to automate everything we can and prepare to the future with no pensions though. Well then I hope you're fighting to tear down capitalism or the world of automation we get will look a hell of a lot closer to Elysium than to Star Trek. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:38 PM |
| 2 | If men don’t pay for dates are they willing to change their preferences for the sake of equality?Lol men's clothes that look good and fit cost money. Men's grooming products and services cost money. A gym membership to stay fit and attractive costs money. Being willing and able to "take the lead" or "show initiative" the way most women want in dating comes with a necessary investment of time and effort. This is some corporate lawyer-level contrived nonsense. You're spending wayyyy too much time thinking about this, especially for someone who's married. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:13 PM |
| 2 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?It's so funny how many women are willing to decry men's preferences they don't like as socially or culturally inculcated perversions which ought to be discouraged or changed but when it comes to their own "there is nothing you can do." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:08 PM |
| 2 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Ehhhhh, I feel like maybe 20 years ago or so was the peak. Sex negativity has been on the rise again the past few years, especially among Zoomers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 04:03 PM |
| 9 | How do you think we can tackle kink inequality....or should it even be a concern?Because of this, treating a Submissive well actually takes a lot of work, creativity and empathy, because you have to keep track of your own pleasure as well as the state of mind of your Sub. You have to bring them TO a point of pleasure, and then also provide AFTERCARE while they're in that liminal sub-space after sex. This is 100% true and I think it's part of why you see far more men than women dom(me)s. Men are generally expected to be the active partner in sex to a far greater degree than w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:58 PM |
| 3 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?Sounds like projection to me. Or you've just had VERY bad luck with guys | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:40 PM |
| 2 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?See it's funny because I've heard from at least as many women that the "fake friends" are the ones who cut off contact after getting rejected | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:35 PM |
| 8 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?I end up leaning more and more towards this every day, it seems. But I'm still here in part because I'm not completely convinced that's true and want to find out what I might be missing, if there's something I'm missing. If all else fails, that process will at least make me more confident that what I think is correct is actually correct. Similar to why I still listen to arguments from neolibs | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:50 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe life is generally easier as a single person?I mean, going by how you want to define "easier" in your first paragraph, sure, probably. But by the same token, death is easier than life so I'm not sure how valuable the question is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:30 AM |
| 13 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?So how do you think a man should approach a woman he's attracted to? Because it seems like the implication of all this taken together is, "he shouldn't." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:07 AM |
| 9 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?Yeah so my takeaway listening to women in aggregate is that you should just never approach them but they don't seem to want to say that. But that obviously doesn't match reality which is why it's hard for me to take any of these responses at face value (Inb4: "cuz women aren't a monolith!" Well sure, but thats just an argument for doing whatever and not listening to their takes online anyway) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 03:04 AM |
| 14 | Do most women really dislike being approached in general?So what do you say to the seemingly equally popular notion from women that men who approach friends romantically were/are abusing the concept of friendship or being dishonest about their intentions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 02:37 AM |
| 2 | Is personality more important to men or women?Lol you're constantly, vaguely invoking math to justify your beliefs but as soon as I do that I'm some weird android? I'm starting to remember why I shouldn't engage with you. Subjective survey results are unreliable because they're subjective and people are consciously and unconsciously dishonest. Most people think they're above average drivers. I'll leave it to your superior understanding of statistics to figure out why that's necessarily nonsense. You literally won't even answer my question b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 12:40 AM |
| 2 | Is personality more important to men or women?Where would this conversation be if I didn't steel-man your arguments for you... So is your point supposed to be that my point is invalid because the right questions would reveal what the "wrong" questions won't? I didn't bother with that because it applies just as well to questions about romantic preferences or anything else. Also just linking the Wikipedia page for statistical sampling is hardly making that point. It just feels like tossing out a vaguely related reference for the sake of tossi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/24 12:00 AM |
| 3 | Is personality more important to men or women?I feel like you think you're making a clever point here but all I'm getting is that ignored my question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Is personality more important to men or women?Run a broad-based survey across demographics of men with a statistically significant sample size asking if they're misogynistic. I'd bet any amount of money the result of that survey is that no, most men aren't misogynists. Are you going to accept that result? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?Lol what?? Where in the world did you get, "the rest of your comment appears to be just you complaining about abortion without actually using the word abortion??" I won't even bother entertaining the idea that the abortion debate is dominated by men. Unless you consider a conservative Supreme Court to equal "the debate." I don't know where all your projections are coming from, but they're not from me. Feel free to dig through my comments and you'll find me very explicitly laying out that I think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?If this is your perspective, then we have very, very different ideas of what constitutes "mainstream society." Women's issues are taken very seriously at all levels of the corporate world, media, and government by one "side" and the social acceptance of that fact is so strong that even the other "side" still has to pay lip service to that idea by framing their opposition in the language of caring for and supporting women. Even neo-imperialism is now retroactively justified by appeals to feminism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 10:21 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?Literally the only places you "constantly" hear about men's issues like that are spaces like this or, like, manosphere podcasts which are all either completely ignored or universally reviled and dismissed in mainstream discourse. If you think there's anywhere close to parity on the seriousness with which men's and women's issues are taken by the social body at large, I'd say you're spending too much time in niche echo chambers like this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Why do women here consistently portray men's dating preferences as malicious and their own as benign?I will say personally I was much closer to "blue pill" beliefs for a long time. Politically, ideologically, philosophically, they just came more naturally to me. I've ended up very, very reluctantly accepting more "red pill" beliefs based on my real life experiences with women. I know, anecdotes are anecdotes, but I don't think it always plays out the way you're presenting it here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:49 PM |
| 1 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenGotcha. Lucky | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:32 PM |
| 1 | There is a correlation between women's gravitation towards Dark Triad personality traits, and their propensity for being victimsI hadn't heard that angle on the religious types before but it makes sense. But I also know plenty (well, "plenty") of women who've had those kinds of fantasies or been into masochism who didn't have that background. As a switch, it's much easier in my experience to find women who want to be tied up and hit than do the tying and hitting. I agree broadly that you can usually learn some interesting things about people from their kinks/fetishes. Dr. Freud rears his coke-addled head once again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:26 PM |
| 8 | There is a correlation between women's gravitation towards Dark Triad personality traits, and their propensity for being victimsIt seems very strange to fantasize about something you don't want in some way. You might be able to rationalize why you think it wouldn't be realistic or would come with undesirable consequences, but if someone is fantasizing about something then by definition that seems to imply that they are least partially want it. (And just to preempt the bad-faith readings I suspect are coming: that does NOT mean in this case that it's ok to rape or SA a woman, even if she fantasizes about it in some way. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenÀ la prochaine ❤️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:52 PM |
| 5 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenIt's funny how even when I mention my own sexual experiences you're still just projecting "bittter incel/virgin" on my comment. None of this is a response to what I said. You may've used the word "keep" in your last comment, but that's not what the conversation was about up to that point. But it's pretty clear you don't actually want to engage here. You're just angry at a caricature you've conjured up in your head. so I figure this will be my last response here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:48 PM |
| 3 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenNo I'd say that's better off just being called good or bad sex. I think OP said what they said because they were specifically trying to capture how much the characteristics of a particular set of genitals affect whether sex is good, bad, or ehh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:21 PM |
| 6 | Sexual Selection in Men and WomenI find that hard to believe. Keep? Maybe. But get? It's not like you can advertise it in advance and expect to get anywhere. Unless maybe you're super hot? But like, I've made every partner I've ever been with cum and know how to use my mouth, but I seriously doubt just putting that in my Tinder bio would have models suddenly messaging me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 08:18 PM |
| 11 | Modern dating strategy: Dating multiple people before being exclusive - Are males against this?What does "justified" mean? Do I think she should be thrown in jail or branded with a scarlet letter? No. Is it a sleazy thing to do that will make me almost certainly lose interest? Yes. She should be upfront that that's what she's doing if that's what she's doing and volunteer that information early on. Keeping it secret and falling back on, "well you could be doing the same thing," if/when it's revealed is just lying by omission. The only reason not to reveal that information early and volunt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 07:58 AM |
| 3 | "conditional femininity" vs "conditional masculinity"Sure the standards change but their point is whatever the standards are at a particular time, men will be ostracized for deviating from them. There's no reason that's inconsistent with those standards not being fixed across time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/24 07:50 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.It absolutely does. Unless you think pro-choice has nothing to do with raising a child. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:32 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Not sure what your point is | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:22 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Whatever you want to tell yourself | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:07 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Do you think working to support someone against your will doesn't violate bodily autonomy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:06 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If you believe that then don't call it pro-choice. Because clearly "choice" is not actually what's important to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:04 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Oh spare me. We could trade anecdotes all day. If all you've got against universalizing the principle of choice when it comes to raising a child is, "raaaahhhhh communism EVVIIIILLLLLL!!!," I'm confident enough in my position to leave it here. You sound like a perfect example of the kind of liberal that's only interested in weaponizing the language of freedom to advance and secure their own privileged position. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 03:02 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/192asvm/debate_a_man_should_be_allowed_to_opt_out_being_a/kh17vc5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:55 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Lol always nice to confirm the self-righteousness here just comes from selfish ideology Edit: why'd you cut out the part where you just called me an idiot? Stand behind your convictions, coward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:52 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.You're making an arbitrary judgement based on personal preferences and one-sided perceptions. I'm arguing with people right now who are making your case better than you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:47 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Women are taking more responsibility than men. Hardly seems like a fair claim when only one gender gets an opt out option. Imagine how fucked we be if women abandoned their responsibilities as often as men. Sounds like you don't consider opting for an abortion "abandoning responsibility." How can a choice that ultimately (and I think rightly) belongs only to women be something men bear any responsibility for? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:42 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Yes. I'm a communist. I think abortions should be part of universal healthcare and no child should suffer unnecessary consequences or reap exorbitant privileges based on the random financials of where they're born. That's a hell of a lot better use of tax money than, for example, sending aircraft carriers and cargo planes full of guns to support an apartheid regime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:38 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.People? Or men? Because one I just ideologically disagree with. The other I ideologically disagree with AND betrays a blatant double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:30 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.The responsibility for that falls on both parents, as is right. Nope. This is some nuclear family-centric, capitalist ideology. If you REALLY believe that a pair of biological parents are essential for a child's well-being, then I don't see why you'd want an unenthusiastic set of parents where at least one of them is trapped by the law. And this also sets the bodily autonomy argument for abortion in general on much shakier grounds. Since now you need to base it on some ultimately arbitrary point… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:29 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So do you think women should have the right to choose to abort a baby? Because if you do, I stand by everything I've said. If not, I disagree with you, but at least you're not necessarily a hypocrite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 02:02 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If a woman keeps a baby she is also financially responsible. If the woman has the ultimate choice in whether or not to carry a baby to term (which I believe she should) then the man should have the choice not to support her materially if he doesn't want that baby. See my other comments here for the "think about the child" argument. There are plenty of other better, more impactful things to worry about if the well-being of an arbitrary child is actually your main concern, most of which I support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:58 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So like I said, we disagree. Depending on how you want to frame it, I'd either say a fetus doesn't need the same consideration as a living person, or an unborn person just isn't as important as a person who has been born. You seem to disagree with that, but at least consistently. So I'm ok leaving it there. It's inconsistency and hypocrisy that really bother me. Of course I can already feel someone mixing this up with some other comments I've made trying to point out other people's hypocrisy, so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:54 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So what do you think about abortion rights for women? If you're anti-choice and consistent, then fine. We just disagree. It's being blatantly hypocritical that ticks me off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:39 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.It's communist to suggest the collective inherently owes individuals something other than negative freedom. And in case you missed the flair, I'm a communist. So I don't mean that as an insult. Just a wake-up call. It's anti-choice to say some people are "responsible" for actions they participate in and shouldn't have the choice to opt out of them because you think they deserve certain consequences for those actions. And it's anti-choice AND hypocritical if you think they ought to only apply to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:37 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.If you want to make the argument that society owes kids, or anyone for that matter, stop being a pussy and become a communist. If you want to make the "sex has the risk of consequences and you accept them by having it" argument, stop being a pussy and admit you're anti-choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:29 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Basically. Also I think this might be the first time I've been mistaken for a woman here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 01:15 PM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I'm literally in here arguing with a bunch of hypocrites that men SHOULD have a choice as well as women. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:40 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.What?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:39 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I'm pro-choice. That's all that needs to be said. If you want to say, "I'm pro-choice except bla bla bla arbitrary moral exceptions," you're not pro-choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 11:26 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.None of this has any bearing on what I've said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:59 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So should babies be confiscated from women under a certain income level? If "forcing babies to live in poverty" is your concern? I assume you're also just as much a crusader against education being funded by local property taxes? In fact, if the income the baby has access to is your concern, then surely the man's income being low is just as much of a problem and you're in favor of significant, global wealth redistribution to help the millions of babies forced to live in poverty right now regardl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:55 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I see you avoiding my point. I'm not avoiding anything. I'm refusing to let up on highlighting the blatant hypocrisy here. it’s unfair to dump a human being on someone that potentially can’t care for them, can’t afford them, and is likely going to fuck them up. Agreed, which is why men should be just as free as women to opt out of an unwanted pregnancy. but why should only woman have to deal with the fallout of both their mistakes? I've already said it here, but I'll repeat: I'm 100% pro-choice.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:45 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So do you think women should only be allowed to get abortions under certain arbitrary conditions? Or do you consider yourself pro-choice? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:38 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Ok, so if they don't need a man's money to survive, it shouldn't be a problem if he opts out of giving it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:31 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.So then you're in favor of forced examinations and arbitrary "responsibility" checks for abortions I assume? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:30 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.I'm 100% pro-choice. The logic I see being used here to justify punishing men when they don't want to raise a child is nakedly inconsistent with that position and every single reason given to try and justify that comes STRAIGHT from the forced birth playbook. It's astonishing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:21 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Not a single newborn or infant can survive on its own. Not for years. Are you SURE you believe in this line of reasoning? Are you really sure? Because by this logic someone should be able to give birth to a live baby then throw it in a dumpster if they don't want it without consequence because it's a "parasite" that can't survive on its own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:18 AM |
| – | Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy.Congratulations, you're using literally the EXACT same logic as the crusaders against abortion rights. "They should've taken responsibility and kept their legs closed." It's incredible that you either don't see or don't care about the blatant hypocrisy here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 10:15 AM |
| 2 | Why don’t the men here do speed dating?As others have suggested, attending speed dating suggests that neither the men or the women have found what they want in other, more socially acceptable/popular places. I'd argue this is a MUCH harder position to land in as a woman than as a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/24 05:28 AM |
| 9 | Could be the uprise of men being bad or abusive partners be a result of men leaving the dating scene?I know what you're trying to get at, but I would argue the concept of "bad" you're invoking is not very scientific. It seems like more of a normative judgement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 12:31 PM |
| 11 | Could be the uprise of men being bad or abusive partners be a result of men leaving the dating scene?So again, what does "self improvement" mean here if not "conform to societal expectations?" Setting socioeconomic pressures aside, I can even phrase a lot of the things that joining a gang might bring in terms that are more typically associated with "self improvement:" confidence, bravery, fitness, ability to read and respond to social cues, and business acumen all jump immediately to mind. The downside is the law will quite likey come and crush you sooner or later which is what leads to "bad ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 11:03 AM |
| 19 | Could be the uprise of men being bad or abusive partners be a result of men leaving the dating scene?So when you say "self improve" here, what I hear is "conform to societal expectations." Particularly given you tie it up with women "fit[ting] in" and use joining a gang as an example of a man taking a "shortcut" instead of self improving. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 10:16 AM |
| -1 | CMV/Debate: In this society, neurotypicals who don't follow red pill or intense self improvement ideology are wasting their genetic potentialThe red pill, to be successful requires nuance which is something autistic people don't have. What a black-and-white way to view reality | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/24 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Is a reproductive draft on the horizon?I'd argue that's not really "voluntary" when the "incentives" are mathed out in advance to achieve a particular outcome based on the socioeconomic conditions imposed on a population. It's stochastic coercion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 09:14 PM |
| 0 | Is a reproductive draft on the horizon?voluntary incentives I mean, "voluntary incentives" like that really just boil down to using the market to force the poor to shoulder whatever burden the society wants to impose without acting like they're imposing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 08:41 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo worries | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:34 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe naturalistic fallacy is considering something valuable or good because it's natural. The leap from empirical observation to normative judgement is the fallacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:33 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou seem to agree with me and then disagree? Regardless, I'm not a fan of the naturalistic fallacy. Particularly in a technologically advanced society inundated with propaganda, I think a tendency towards conformity can cause at least as much harm as good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:30 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMost people are conformists but it definitely seems to come more naturally to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:12 AM |
| 7 | The discussion surrounding the chore gap is missing a major question DiscussionCleaning while you cook is a total game changer. Especially if you're working without a dishwasher. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 03:00 AM |
| 6 | The persistent myth of the "second shift"First of all, the graph you're pulling from at the very top of that article seems strange. Wage work + house work + care work is the same total number of hours for men and women, with leisure showing a 2 hour per week difference. But that begs the question of where those 2 extra hours are coming from. What are the women doing in that time? It's not stated. Second, the data is aggregated across couples from ages 25 to 64. I'd love to see it broken down into smaller age categories. I'd bet older c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/24 12:56 AM |
| 5 | How many men here would agree to be homemakers, caregivers AND breadwinners as many married women are?Even just running with this WILDLY unflattering and unrealistic hypothetical "reversal" I'd say sure, but I'm not working full-time anymore. $150,000 per year plus maybe a part-time income from me seems like more than enough. The question is would OP be ok with that? Because as long as we're playing this game, I bet plenty of men in the """normal""" arrangement would be fine with their wife not working full-time. Something tells me OP wouldn't though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 10:15 PM |
| 3 | Many women are actually quite distrustful of other women, they just defend the sisterhood in front of menDon't bother with this one. You'll get dragged into the pits of irrational Hell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 08:34 PM |
| 4 | Inexperience in older men is a disadvantage, not a death sentenceThere's no way for women to "know" a lot of what they consider red flags for certain, especially early on. So what they'll do, as they frequently make clear in this sub, is devise absurdly sensitive tests to weed out anyone who potentially holds one of those "red flags" regardless of how many false positives it also generates because from a position of abundance, that collateral damage doesn't hurt them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 08:20 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIt's a loose analogy for capitalism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 04:04 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe communist undertones. Or maybe the love triangle 🤷♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/24 03:10 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSee: Margaret Thatcher | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 11:39 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBiological reductivism and the naturalistic fallacy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 11:34 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIf that's "grooming" then so is every Disney movie with a hetero romance plot. It's funny how the same thing can be viewed as completely benign or dangerous purely depending on if it's normalized or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 11:31 PM |
| – | CMW: Most women have little to offer a high value man in a long-term relationshipjust because I'm aware of it doesn't mean I can change it. I feel the same way about some traits I have (although who really knows, right) but I also feel like a good amount of self-reflexivity can at least help me keep that in check and make having/evaluating interactions much easier. After being told I needed to more-or-less do that by a past gf, I think I have, but one of the things I realized is how few people, men, women, or whatever, do the same. I find that kind of awareness attractive al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 09:03 PM |
| – | CMW: Most women have little to offer a high value man in a long-term relationshipI am sexist and tend to project this on men and then be angry with them. I think this might be the first time I've heard a (I assume) woman admit this on this sub, so brownie points to you for introspection and self-awareness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 08:39 PM |
| 17 | So, is talking to women at bars just… over?In my experience, basically yeah. Live in a big urban area with plenty of bars and people around my age. Almost always, people are being social in bars within their own groups. There's very, very rarely any kind of crossover. Even at the end of the night the most you'll usually get is some casual exchanges of cigarettes as people wait for rides. Otherwise people are just huddled in their groups or staring at their phones waiting for their Uber. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 08:15 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseBruh the 19th century stuff is basically all German. The French lefty shit is 20th 😂 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:44 AM |
| 8 | Is there a double standard when it comes to women and men being single? Does one have it worse than the other?Oh yes, prejudice is famous for disappearing as long as there's ample material evidence to the contrary 🙄 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:27 AM |
| 2 | Why do women assume that all women are good?Both those things could be explanations (at least partially) for each other. You asked for other ideas and I gave you some. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:26 AM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseKeep being mad | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 01:25 AM |
| 0 | Why do women assume that all women are good?I'm willing to bet that's true but not to the same degree or with the same manifestations. And that's why culture isn't the only thing I mentioned. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:46 AM |
| 7 | Why do women assume that all women are good?Perpetuation of it as a cultural norm ingrained by media, peers, and authority figures since youth? Women's naturally higher propensity for conformity? The human impulse to bond as an in-group by the very act of defining themselves in opposition to an out-group? Plenty of things probably contribute. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:37 AM |
| 10 | Is there a double standard when it comes to women and men being single? Does one have it worse than the other?Man, I'm tired of being held to the harshest Zoomer standards while being judged by the worst Boomer behaviors. I've been neater/tidier than every woman I've dated since like 22. When they're in their own spaces, they don't hesitate to talk about how messy their bedrooms/bathrooms are or how nasty public women's restrooms are. This trope just gets trotted out like it's a fact whenever they need to go on the offensive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:33 AM |
| 10 | Why do women assume that all women are good?Are you sure that's why women have a strong in-group bias? Or could that be a rationalization most learn after already having developed that bias? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Why do women assume that all women are good?She's a cop | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/24 12:22 AM |
| 1 | Double standard with “bum partners”?Men. Men have. Unless you want to write off the last century of progress the feminist movement has made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 06:36 AM |
| 8 | Some men aren't fit to reproduce or date and it's okay to say thatEvolution doesn't "say" jack. The people who try to impose a hierarchy or a teleology on evolution do. And those people are called eugenicists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexLike I said, you've clearly worked yourself up to the point that no dissenting perspective could pierce your narrative. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with it in any kind of real relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 12:24 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell you just made it a debate before telling me I shouldn't make it into a debate, but fine. We can leave it here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/24 12:08 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOh hey, we've got a Georgist now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:57 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadShe 100% can if she wants to | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:56 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHave the demos of this sub been changing? I haven't been here too long but it feels like in like the last few weeks to maybe a month there's way more comments from and support for the BP/fem "side" and even pretty hostile rad fem/"pink pill" stuff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexWell you've clearly picked up enough catch phrases and nightmare hypotheticals to make sure you never need to consider anyone else's point of view. I'm glad we're not in a relationship if this is how you think or talk to a partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 11:33 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadEyeliner. Only super hot guys can get away with it and not be perceived as ridiculous | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexAnd I didn't say you did either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:26 PM |
| 4 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sex"Needs," or wants? I don’t care [about] you as long as you prove that you don’t care about me. Ok, then why shouldn't a man be able to say the same thing? If you're not meeting his "needs," why should he go out of his way to meet expectations you have that he doesn't share? Let me be doubly clear: A male person doesn’t get access to my body while trying to disconnect my body from my sense of peace and emotions. You need "access to his body" to meet whatever standards you seem to have for your "s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:22 PM |
| 3 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexa little something Conveniently unfalsifiable | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexIt's crazy that they're pushing back on you when they're literally saying this exact same thing about a man having problems with a woman in a relationship IN THIS SAME THREAD. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18v63ig/nobody_ever_died_from_the_house_not_being/kfpg8gj?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexI'd say this is basically where I land as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexWomen: women aren't a hivemind!! woman expresses opinion that doesn't perfectly align with online orthodoxy: Women: are you sure you're a woman..? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 07:00 PM |
| 3 | Nobody ever died from the house not being perfectly clean and tidy all the time, yet women's complaints that the man doesn't help around the house enough are taken super seriously, but a man is called a selfish asshole if he complains about lack of sexWell I've heard from a lot of women who I suspect would frame that as rape since "compliant consent" is definitionally different from "enthusiastic consent." Not saying I believe they reflect all women's attitudes but they're a loud and significant presence and it seems disingenuous to just write them out of existence for convenience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:43 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadEmpathy can be a great weapon | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseWhy does it need to be foreign? "Luckily" there's an abundance of excess wealth hoarded in the US already. So it could easily just be redsitributed domestically. International redistribution of wealth –and more importantly, control of productive assets– is necessary where colonialism, imperialism, and their neo-varieties have lead to conditions like those seen in Haiti. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseCheck out Thomas Pogge and his concept of the moral egregiousness of poverty. He's a Rawlsian liberal out of Yale so not even a scary, scary commie! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:12 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseIt's a response to a systemic analysis of capitalism rather than the dogmatic position that how much wealth a person or firm is able to accumulate due to relative differences in economic and political power reflects their productivity and therefore dessert. Sure, there are baby commies who think it's all about just beheading the rich, but there are way more advocates for capitalism (who've had much better opportunities to learn otherwise) who violently despise the poor as lazy moochers always lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 06:07 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadOffer that deal to a bunch of red pill dudes if you believe that. Betcha they'd be more down than you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Would many men still remain anti marriage if new laws were created by getting a divorce harder and abolishing alimony except in truly legitimate cases?r/iamverybadass | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 05:46 AM |
| 2 | Would many men still remain anti marriage if new laws were created by getting a divorce harder and abolishing alimony except in truly legitimate cases?Also could be blamed on "liberalism run amok" just in a much more Marx-y sense | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 05:36 AM |
| – | What are some personal habits, traits or fashion choices that indicate that someone is trashy?So "trashy" just means "not a boring, cardboard conformist?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 03:42 AM |
| 3 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!And before you try to argue, "but my standards are just mine—it's not about chasing objectively extremely good looks," 1) your standards didn't just come out of your head so they're almost certainly closer to an empirical "objective" than not, even if universally objectively good looks aren't a thing, and more importantly 2) do you think men don't have some ideal fantasy in their heads too? Even if it's not universally the same fantasy? The difference is men seem much more willing to give a pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 12:49 AM |
| 3 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!That's... what I said? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 12:15 AM |
| 2 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Well I guess I'll have to just take you at your word that you have extremely exacting appearance-based standards that also don't reflect any sort of rigid fantasy. Not sure how that works, but it seems to be the kind of unfalsifiable squared circle a lot of women on this sub want to project. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/23 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Well just glossing over "wrong race" that sounds like you're confirming what I said. And before you try to argue, "but my standards are just mine—it's not about chasing objectively extremely good looks," 1) your standards didn't just come out of your head so they're almost certainly closer to an empirical "objective" than not, even if universally objectively good looks aren't a thing, and more importantly 2) do you think men don't have some ideal fantasy in their heads too? Even if it's not univ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 11:31 PM |
| 5 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!I assume you want me to assume you're not just interested in looks, but if apps tell you so little of import from a profile, it would make sense to do what I said: swipe liberally or randomly and try to actually get to know the person to assess compatibility by personality rather than pictures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:41 PM |
| 3 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!The OP is about attractiveness ratings. The comment I responded to said the percentage seemed high in OP. Looks are the obvious implication there. And given how many women in here are insisting that men take lousy pictures and have nothing to go on in their bios, the onus is on you if you want to demonstrate to me that looks aren't the primary driver for women on swiping apps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:35 PM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!I don't see why that should be. A small, uneven starting population would even out if the inflow and outflow rates were similar for both genders, reducing the relevance of the initial state as the total populations grew. It also sounds like you're assuming once a man leaves he's gone for good whereas especially for Tinder, it sounds perfectly in line with reason and anecdotes from men and women for women to hop on, match with a very attractive guy, have a lousy experience and decide apps aren't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:31 PM |
| 1 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!Is it possible that censuses focused on short windows of users miss the total user breakdown of apps over time? If most men need to spend a long time on apps to get any attention, it makes sense that the male population would grow relative to the female population. It seems women could make up a smaller proportion of the apps' populations at any given time since they can be in and out with someone much faster. But on a longer timescale the amount of men and women who use apps could quite conceiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 10:05 PM |
| 4 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!So women are only interested in extreme good looks then? If not, then you ought to just swipe randomly and let conversations with matches do their thing to reveal compatibility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 09:59 PM |
| 0 | Uncomfortable Red Pill Facts, yes from multiple studies, For Women. Ladies please explain!So are people just reducible to reproductive function or not? Are women nothing more than walking wombs or not? Clearly the answer depends on if it's rhetorically useful to you in a particular moment or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 08:48 PM |
| 2 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Now you're just reduced to mirroring? I could go and write several more paragraphs just based on that pathetic non-response where the made-up quote was three times as long as the single sentence of mine you ACTUALLY quoted, but it's pretty clear to me at this point you're not paying ANY attention to anything I say, tossing out whatever attacks leap immediately to mind, even if they contradict points you're making in other conversations at the exact same moment, so it would be a waste of time. Yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:49 PM |
| 2 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.THAT'S all you've got to say? Really?? I really should learn not to waste so much effort on you... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:27 PM |
| 2 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.If you want to go look at that priorities number post, you'll see I put education right up at the top of my list. I only hesitated somewhat there because when I say "education," I DON'T mean the prestige or economic value of credentialing. I want someone clever and cerebral with a wide base of knowledge and interests, but that has nothing necessarily to do with professional achievements or status, which is why "career" is much lower for me and "money making" is at the bottom. I don't think peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room?How often do you list x, y, z reason? Because I can't say I've ever seen or experienced that. The only firm answer I've experienced in real life is the boyfriend excuse. Otherwise I've only ever seen or heard non-committal responses which can be easily interpreted as leaving room for further direct OR indirect persuasion. To add, I generally don't try to push things if a woman doesn't seem enthusiastic, but that always comes with the lingering suspicion that you missed some "obvious sign" that s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 05:20 AM |
| 3 | “young attractive women live life on easy mode” - why this is a mislead statement.Counter-narrative: women are inclined for whatever reason(s) to be status-seekers and so expect climbing the social/financial hierarchy to also make them more desirable. Men are more interested in what are more like essential characteristics, which includes appearance but ALSO personality, and so aren't swayed as heavily by status factors. What you'd apparently consider shallow I and I think many men would consider being more interested in who a person is than in what they do or have, which seem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 04:26 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSpill the tea | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 02:28 AM |
| 37 | If a man is a late bloomer wouldn’t it be more natural for him to date down in age to where he would be more likely to find someone closer to him experience wise?I've seen it in lots of threads on this topic. It seems to be a pretty common attitude. The amount of women commenting on this post along the lines of, "do you think that's fair to the woman," when all they know about this hypothetical man is he's sexually/romantically inexperienced certainly seems to imply they consider it a flaw. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 02:25 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?All that is saying is that as human beings we can choose stuff. By making a choice that is ours we are free from external things (e g. a drug addiction choosing to go for a run rather than take drugs) making the choice for us. When something that elicits a certain choice we can choose to take that action Ok well then I guess that's where I'd take issue. When are you "free" from external things? How would you even know? I also don't see how making a conscious choice doesn't necessarily imply free… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 01:06 AM |
| 1 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Responsibility without free will doesn't make sense to me. I haven't read any Frankl but if his conception of freedom is something like the freedom of the unconscious one can arrive at from a Freudian perspective, then I'd recognize that but say it doesn't seem to comport with the idea of freely choosing the original commenter seemed to be suggesting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:33 AM |
| 0 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Pathetic attempt at a diversion after the stupidity of your argument got called out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:14 AM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?What would you call "freedom and power to choose?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Are you trying to suggest that advertising algorithms send you things you explicitly ask for? That's not how that works AT ALL. The quintessential example is the teenage girl who started being sent ads and promotions for baby products before she even knew she was pregnant. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/amp/ I'm pretty confident you know this and are just continuing to argue in bad fai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/23 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?I doubt you are. But women like you love to use social shame as a rhetorical cudgel when they're out of actual arguments. Only it's not quite so powerful on an anonymous online plarform. Sorry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:04 PM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Once again, if you actually read my comments I'm confident you'll be able to figure this out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 11:01 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Yeah, yeah, we've all seen Barbie. It's insane you think "contradictory expectations" are exclusive to women. Also if you think you'd rather fight on the front lines of a peer-to-peer war than get to stay home, I'm very confident you've never actually seen the reality of what that entails. Talk's cheap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:58 PM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Read my comments again and I'm confident you'll be able to figure that out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?The "inconsistency" is your completely ridiculous claim that "men just have to exist" hilariously contrasted with you having the temerity to accuse someone ELSE of just venting and wanting to be mad at the other gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:41 PM |
| 3 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Did you sErIoUsLy ignore the fact that I get unsolicited nudes literally dropped into my email?? The knots some of y'all will twist yourselves into to always be the victim, I swear... 🙄 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?So I assume Roe being overturned has nothing to do with men or patriarchy? It's just an "issue with the legal system?" you're just angry at women. This isn't about men really you just want to vent which is fine. What happens with women is we need to be a mother, equal financially mobile a sex symbol and a man's mother all in one. Men just have to exist. Who am I kidding? Consistency doesn't seem to be important to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:28 PM |
| 2 | Which gender deals with more conflicting expectations and scripts?Lol this is ridiculous. Advertising has to ask for consent first in your mind?? Lately I've literally been getting ads for prostitutes full of naked pictures shared to my email as Google docs. That's just one of the ways this stuff comes in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Where do these things fall in priority to you?Some of these I'd have to quibble with the definitions of to be sure, but that caveat aside I'd probably say: M/late-20s 6, 3, 9, 1, 4, 8, 7, 5, 2 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 09:33 PM |
| 1 | Will AI boyfriends make males obsolete?At least based on their stated preferences, women would be a much better market for AI "companions" than men. Kind of ironic that they also tend to want to frame men as the more cold and inhuman of the sexes. As far as relationships go, women seem to continually demonstrate that they're the more calculating and transactional ones. You could optimize versions of all these factors for men too, and I think they'd be the ones who are much more likely to say, "yeah but it's not real." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:53 PM |
| 3 | Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room?Again, why does that have to be sexist? If when you say, "once another man steps in," you're talking about, say, a bouncer telling a guy to back off if he's harassing a woman who wants nothing to do with him, that's a concrete, material difference. If you're trying to insist that a man must just be sexist and only respect a man's right to his "property" or whatever because "I have a boyfriend" shuts down his interest faster, that's a framing preference you have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:46 PM |
| 5 | Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room?This is a decent example of using framing to make something look a particular way in your mind. Why does this have to have a sexist underpinning for you? Which equally desirable candidate does it make more sense for a recruiter to pursue, one who's unemployed or one who has a job? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:36 PM |
| 0 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodAll the points in that first source (seemingly just a glorified blog post?) are exactly what I said: internal, unverifiable differences. I could just as easily frame their points as just saying, "you need to play the 'dread game' RIGHT!" Because there's no way to know the difference between resentful compliance and "authentically" catering to your needs other than external manifestations, but the post just talks about hypothetical feelings and how you ought to feel about those hypothetical feeli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodWell then those actions ought to manifest in material reality differently and if the only difference is something immaterial and unidentifiable like intention, it may as well be called Sin. To use a super hyperbolic example, I don't give much of a shit whether Hitler actually thought exterminating "lesser" races would usher in a new stable and prosperous era for Aryan society or if he was just a power-hungry, manipulative psycho willing to say whatever he needed to elevate himself. I care that h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodI'll consider that once one of you actually explains that difference instead of just implying the person who disagrees with you is too simple to see what you see while tossing out nothing but meaningless platitudes like, "it’s a balancing act," or, "something, something... and that's ok." And if the only differences are something nebulous like "causes and goals," then you're agreeing with me. It's about whether someone harbors Sin in their heart or not. I don't believe that's true, but I could b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:54 PM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Kind of "ehh" phrased the first way. The second one I'd more and more just lean towards answering with "yes." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 07:35 PM |
| 3 | Women will always say what makes themselves look goodAll of these come down to different ways of phrasing the same thing like the above person said. To the extent they're different it's entirely based on an unverifiable internal state when, at least when phrased this vaguely, their external manifestations can be perfectly indistinguishable. You may as well say the difference between [bad version] and [good version] is whether or not they hold Sin in their hearts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:58 PM |
| 2 | Do you think older, single, childless, "cat ladies" are largely happy or not?Housing is consumption as far as the market is concerned. Spending money on rent is no different than spending money on meals. Anything else is just marketing spin. Also it's not like "consumption" is just an activity for the rich. Our entire economy is built on consumption. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:52 PM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?I could ask you the same, since you seem completely certain that you're offering the "correct" way to realize value. My answer is of course there's no objective way to measure social value, just like there's no objective way to measure economic value. But in both cases I can still tell you it's NOT just determined by an individual deciding what they think it ought to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:48 PM |
| 2 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?So is the idea that "self-determination" is the ultimate good. It's just a matter of which value system you "choose" to embrace. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:38 PM |
| 3 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?Plenty of people do that and are called arrogant or delusional if their socially determined value doesn't align with that projected attitude. Choosing to ignore that element of social reality doesn't stop it from existing because social reality, by definition, isn't something that you as an individual just construct in your head. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:36 PM |
| 3 | Should people just give up and learn to be happy alone?I mean, that's a GIANT and largely unsupported assumption that what lies between stimulus and response is free will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:23 PM |
| 3 | Do you think older, single, childless, "cat ladies" are largely happy or not?Also from a societal point of view she is an inferior consumer and occupies space that can be shared otherwise. This part doesn't sound right. First, because sharing a space is more efficient which is the opposite of being a "good" (read: profligate) consumer. Second, because even the women here who advocate this lifestyle often talk about travel, activities, etc. as ways to feel happy without a relationship, all of which are consumptive activities. Deriving happiness from a free, mutual relatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Do you think older, single, childless, "cat ladies" are largely happy or not?Do you really not see anything subjectively wrong with just drugging yourself into contentment with whatever situation might be making you unhappy in the first place? Did you read Brave New World and think Soma just sounds like a swell idea? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 06:14 PM |
| 14 | Why do women pick the worst partners?Sounds like you don't spend much time around young women anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:28 AM |
| 16 | Why do women pick the worst partners?So are suggesting you meant to say most women's standards aren't high enough? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:20 AM |
| 17 | Why do women pick the worst partners?A man is called a good catch [if] he doesn't hit, verbally degrade, or gaslight his partner and is marginally self sufficient. The bar is in the sewer for guys lol. These are your words. Predictably, when challenged, you changed it to wanting a "good" partner which is vague enough that it can mean literally anything and seems to mean an unrealistic fantasy if you think the "majority of guys are dogshit partners." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:13 AM |
| 20 | Why do women pick the worst partners?So stop with this "the bar is literally on the floor" nonsense. You have highly exacting standards but want to act like it's men's fault for not living up to that fantasy and invoke language about abuse to make that as socially difficult as possible to challenge. Amazing you'd accuse men of being the less self-reflective gender here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 01:08 AM |
| 24 | Why do women pick the worst partners?A man is called a good catch of he doesn't hit, verbally degrade, or gaslight his partner and is marginally self sufficient. The bar is in the sewer for guys lol. This is the circle-jerky story women like to tell each other and gaslight men with in the discourse but empirical reality demonstrates this is false. Unless you want to try and convince me 99% of men are abusive which is absurd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/23 12:56 AM |
| 6 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseDefinitely. That's why I'm a commie | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 10:37 PM |
| 5 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseEconomic conditions are improving in part due to the fact that women are able to work since they don’t have to take care of children The introduction of women to the workforce in the US following WWII expanded the labor market putting a downward pressure on wages which gives even more relative power to the ownership class compared to working people. It's a large part of why, regardless of who would be the house spouse, single-income families are essentially impossible now.° Not saying that means… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:52 PM |
| 9 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseThis book is a good primer on why that Pinkerian line of poverty steadily disappearing and the world "never being better than it is now" is nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Avoiding the Coming Demographic CollapseThere are plenty of ideas for circular economies. I'm not 100% sold on the concept, but the only way it could be considered inherently "inhumane" is if you think it's inhumane to restrict capitalist freedom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:45 PM |
| -1 | What do you think people mean when they talk about a "submissive" partner?which makes sense but in this economy, betting on a man rather than yourself is not a good idea. This is part of why I unironically think socialism would improve dating. Not even in my top 10 reasons for being a communist, but a nice bonus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:41 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadSo hedonism. Travel takes resources so that means throwing yourself into the corporate grind more and more the more you want to do that and to be an annoying Kantian for a second, if everyone just tried to do that either you'd only get very limited, fleeting moments of it through life or society would collapse. The reality is basing your sense of validation on that can only be possible for a privileged minority. And if you're doing it with friends you haven't even escaped relying on the possibly… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:29 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadBaudrillard feels more and more right all the time and I do not like it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:24 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadVery broadly speaking, the alternatives seem to fall into the categories of status seeking/careerism, consumerism/hedonism, or religion. I don't know why any of those ought to be considered inherently better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 08:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: As a man if you're incapable of quickly getting a new girlfriend / hookup whenever you want, you cannot hope to have a healthy, mutually beneficial relationship with your current one or the one you're going to work hard to get.This sounds like you don't really disagree with their fundamental point. Maybe you don't need to parade them around, but you need to know you have other options to be able to feel secure setting boundaries in a relationship and act accordingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 07:17 PM |
| 1 | a lot of the problems with dating, standards, and contentment come from how the brain interprets fantasyYou seem to be overly focused on yourself, which is something I can only take your word on, and ignoring that my main point is the social risk of advancing this argument. Even if you don't believe in hard censorship (though I'd consider your framing at least adjacent to promoting soft censorship as there's an obvious "correct" choice once one accepts your realistic/unrealistic dichotomy) that doesn't mean your argument isn't a perfect set-up for individuals or institutions to promote more dracon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 07:12 PM |
| 1 | a lot of the problems with dating, standards, and contentment come from how the brain interprets fantasyI said it's a risk and it feels like a natural position to take if one takes your argument seriously. If fantasies give people unrealistic expectations, then it's quite easy to argue that content which is considered unrealistic ought to be either soft-censored in the form of pervasive social rejection of or pushback against it, which could most easily be accomplished by institutional actors like governments or large platforms, or actual hard censorship along the lines of why hard drugs are restr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 06:46 PM |
| 3 | a lot of the problems with dating, standards, and contentment come from how the brain interprets fantasyI feel like there are some dangerous, paternalistic implications to taking this argument too seriously, and not just for dating. A not so charitable way of phrasing what you seem to be arguing would be, "your silly little monkey brains don't know the difference between reality and fantasy and so they need to be protected from, let's say, content which gives them 'wrong' ideas about what they should expect of the real world." I think a less infantilizing way to explain the same phenomenon might b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 06:35 PM |
| 3 | Women give bad dating advice for MenTo be equally pedantic, one case is asking for advice about dating. The other is asking for advice about taking advice. The "paradox" only emerges when you reduce both of those statements to "asking for advice" so they appear to be the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Why do women generally view sugar daddies less creepily than older men dating and marrying younger womenI can't help somewhat envying the blind confidence it takes to read a question, not understand –or not want to understand– it, and just decide that the person asking it must not "speak English." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 04:17 AM |
| 0 | Why do women generally view sugar daddies less creepily than older men dating and marrying younger womenSo if it's all about an internal perception that generally differs along gender lines (a BIG if), why is the expectation on men to adjust to the average woman's baseline rather than the other way around? Or hell, some kind of compromise? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/23 04:06 AM |
| 2 | Having a list of positive traits/achievements isn't enough for successful dating.Where? Literally where are you seeing this? For couples I see under 35, whenever there's an obvious looks imbalance, it's almost always the man who's more attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:51 PM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a man making you wait to make you feel special because he "likes" you too muchYou're going after the wrong men if they see sex as something that "decreases your value." Discrepancies in how you treat sex from man to man are much more worth his taking into account. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 08:12 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDamn those goalposts must have jet engines attached with how fast they moved!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:40 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadFor the love of God, learn the difference between liberals and leftists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:39 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYa gawt a loicense for dat loicense, luv? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:36 PM |
| 5 | Chasing women is a huge waste of time."Assume" being the key word there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 05:17 PM |
| 8 | I wish men would stop normalizing women approaching them and trying to "shoot their shot". Almost every man i've seen feels very uncomfortable with a woman approaching themMost of the movement aren't the handful of academics with good takes. Those types are certainly almost nowhere to be seen in this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 07:41 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHe might be a smart and competent statesman but there are plenty of extremely smart and competent statesmen running the US as well. I don't see any of them as worling to advance the cause of the working class. What is it about Putin that makes you think he's applying his skill to the advancement of socialism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 03:44 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDoes Russia under Putin seem to be advancing the prosperity of the working class? Particularly after the illegal disillusion of the Soviet Union in 1991 took a struggling project for communism and divided the means of production up under a handful of the most ruthless capitalist-minded insiders in a position to become the oligarch class? It really doesn't to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 03:38 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI've heard that in theory those exist. How did you become that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 03:31 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadTo use some logic I largely reject Holy shit can you manage to just read one whole sentence? Please? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:22 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou're almost verbatim quoting David Graeber here. Your politics grow more and more baffling to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:18 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadTo use some logic I largely reject but see almost all women in discussions like this invoke, "what even makes you think you're entitled to what you think is 'courtesy' from him?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 02:16 AM |
| 5 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.I pretty much agree with all of this. Which is why I specified that I treat interactions in spaces like this differently from the real world. I'd probably be some Red Pill misogynist if I went only off of what I see online. But just like the men here are neither completely representative of or entirely detached from the "average" man, the women are the same. I see spaces like this as exaggerated, unfiltered representations of attitudes most people hold to varying degrees. I like to think I do at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:20 AM |
| 5 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.Well I find it completely unbelievable that the vast majority of men are as bad as you and many other women here try to paint them. I'd need to know specifics because I find it FAR more likely that a small portion of men are as bad as they're painted and a considerably larger amount of men who went consider undesirable for various reasons get lumped under that umbrella. If so many men are just dangerous, emotionally callous, and use women, I must be a WILD exception because I don't see these men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 01:05 AM |
| 13 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.On the whole, I do consider both of these and know not all women just have everything on easy mode. But when I'm engaging in this space specifically with women who seem unable or unwilling to empathize with men's struggles and often actively dismiss or mock them, I'm going to push back strongly and advocate for men's perspectives with the same level of aggressiveness as men are receiving from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:53 AM |
| 9 | This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up.To use a phrase I frequently hear from women, "why do you expect someone to 'value you as a person' when they don't even know you yet?" It reeks of entitlement to complain about not having anything you want to eat to someone without any food in the house. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:50 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou're literally just declaring that because the comparison reveals a commonality that makes you uncomfortable. A man was literally discriminated against in this example based on broad generalizations. If you want to try to base it on data (which I know you don't because you just want to dismiss me with a rhetorical handwave) black people DO commit a disproportionate amount of crimes, including violent crime. I can admit that because I understand that 1) there are external sociological and econo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/23 12:28 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadA good rule of thumb is to ask if you kept everything the same but replaced "man" with "black person" if it would sound reasonable or like paranoid prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 11:17 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMight be. But the reactions from OP and most other commenters to the story are not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:17 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThe story itself here confirms that apparently this woman didn't even feel uncomfortable yet OP and most of the other commenters are automatically deciding that the dude was a creep who deserved to be treated as such. https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/18rd337/the_proper_way_of_being_vigilant/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:00 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueYes, Lil, I know you build your opinions on self-validating axioms. Really no point trying to argue with you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:50 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueTo-may-to, to-mah-to? It sounds like you just want to exclude it from being considered part of loneliness because if it is, then you'd have to either take it seriously or consciously admit that you don't care if some people suffer from loneliness (which I suspect is the case) but that would feel bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:48 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueI seriously can't wrap my head around evangelizing the idea of drugging oneself into ignoring the sources of their despair. It's truly frightening to me how many people, seemingly mostly women, enthusiastically embrace such a dystopian way of living. At least the men who more often drug themselves into ignoring reality with things like alcohol usually don't go around preaching that more people need to be alcoholics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:44 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueIt's crazy to me that people will consider being beholden to exploitative, profit-driven corporations as self-sufficiency or write it off as inevitable but interpersonal intimacy is considered a dangerous, unreliable, to some immoral source of validation. Toxic, corporate, consumerist mindset at its most disturbing. Edit for response since comment lock: obeying a man that statistically will beat them or abandon them when they [get] sick This blatant falsehood is more than enough to confirm that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:32 PM |
| – | The “male loneliness epidemic” is a non issueWho's reducing it to romantic relationships? Honestly how many young guys do you interact with? Male friendships are much deeper and more caring than they felt even a decade ago in my experience, but that doesn't replace the need for romantic attention. No amount of water will replace the need for food, even though I need water to survive. And pointing that out isn't "reducing" survival to being just about food. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:27 PM |
| 2 | DISCUSSION: Are autistic men just "lazy" when it comes to dating, friendship and employment struggles?Maybe at the end of the day, most of these labels are just a way to pathologize and therefore continue condemning people who exhibit normal human personality variations that don't meld with particular societal expectations without having to invoke religion anymore? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 10:31 AM |
| 2 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesMen face more traumatic violence than women. Men who aren't part of the slim minority of the ruling class face worse economic precarity and working conditions than women. And I'd argue they suffer from loneliness far more than women but I don't even need you to accept that to make my point. Men actually do take a similar approach of drugging themselves to ignore the sources of their depression but it more often takes the form of non-prescribed drugs like alcohol. But you won't hear anywhere near… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 08:03 AM |
| 0 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesTrying to meet the demands I've come to expect from the average woman I'm exposed to has made me colder, more transactionally minded, more cynical, and (although maybe a little hyperbolic) somewhat misanthropic. I don't like it and try to resist it and look for evidence that helps counter those attitudes, but it seems like most women, at least based on the women here, are perfectly happy embracing all those things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 07:44 AM |
| 1 | The term ‘Situationship’ is used almost exclusively by women when they are FwB-zoned by a guy above their leagueBeen there 🙋♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 04:48 AM |
| 7 | The term ‘Situationship’ is used almost exclusively by women when they are FwB-zoned by a guy above their leagueKind of seems to go against the conventional wisdom that men are only interested in sex and don't want to commit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 03:41 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHave you ever met any? I feel like that's a combination of fortunate circumstances and just plain perception. I've met top 1% income earners and they've hardly seemed exceptional. Certainly not to the level of deserving the praise and confidence they get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 03:30 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThat's true but the details and context there are far more complicated. Honestly I was down to give a couple short responses but it kind of does sound like you want to debate capitalism versus socialism in general and for that I'd just point you to some readings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 03:27 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadA pile of cash isn't the only way to accumulate power. Only rich and powerful people can be in debt to the tune of millions of dollars. At that level, social power itself is more directly important. For us plebs, money is usually the only way we can have a taste of power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:38 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadNo individual built Amazon. And Amazon became successful as it did because it met the needs of capital. If it tried to treat its workers better and use more ethical, sustainable supply chains, we'd probably have never heard of it because some company more willing to pursue profit would've outcompeted it and succeeded. In that sense Amazon's success is much better understood like an organism's success in an evolutionary context: an accident that may or may not have been inevitable which was succe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:36 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadAs I understand it the idea of capitalism is capital controls all of us, not individuals. It's why just putting Jeff Bezos in a guillotine, while undoubtedly satisfying, wouldn't change anything long-term by itself. Someone else will fill the Bezos slot because that's what capital demands. That's a large part of why I consider capitalism itself the problem more than any particular individuals. It's having a "Bezos slot" in the first place that causes problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:24 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI don't. Rich people are slaves to the system as much as anyone, particularly in the public spotlight. They just live in far more luxury than most. And even if he wasn't, that doesn't mean the values he chooses for himself would benefit any of us. Ignoring all the bickering about how much he's ACTUALLY worth, anyone who can even approach being a billionaire is not on your side or mine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:18 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadHe's absolutely a braindead corrupt moron. He's just a different flavor from the typical liberal (which is most of Team Red and Team Blue) braindead corrupt morons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesand then eventually find someone that doesn’t make you feel like you’re alone in a relationship This is entirely different from being content being alone. The difference here between men and women is entirely explainable by the relative ease with which women can find a new relationship compared to men. The same dynamic explains why people in objectively more exploitative, demeaning, and poorly compensated jobs will often stay in them under conditions that those in much better conditions would le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:09 AM |
| 2 | Men try to demonize women for choosing to be alone because they are projecting their own insecuritiesYou know how it's a bit of a stereotype for the type of kid who lives in vans and dresses like a hippy and says things like, "money doesn't matter—just try to have fun and enjoy life," to come from money and for people who are deeply into the "grindset" mentality to have more poor or desperate backgrounds? Similar idea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/23 02:04 AM |
| 7 | How do women actually go about guessing a man's wealth?So a vague handful of social signifiers you'd rather not examine too closely. Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 11:14 AM |
| 4 | How do women actually go about guessing a man's wealth?My dear, I'm a communist. You can call me a lot of things, but class blind isn't one of em | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 11:12 AM |
| 13 | How do women actually go about guessing a man's wealth?Small price to pay to weed out the money-grubbing vampires | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 07:39 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI used to feel like that more when I was younger. I still get that way sometimes, but I think it's more like nostalgia now. Those things are visceral reminders that time moves forward, things change, and there's nothing we can do to stop it. Everyone intellectually knows that even from a young age, but you don't really start to grok it until you experience it and that can be painful. I think it gets easier as it happens more and you start to accept at a more emotional level the permanence of cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 05:21 AM |
| 0 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadTrying to verbally roll your eyes at people when they call you out for hypocrisy isn't a good argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI don't pay attention to celebrity culture enough to have a list ready, but Pierce Brosnan comes immediately to mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 05:12 AM |
| 2 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Go down the epistemology rabbit hole deep enough and you realize "fact" vs "feeling" is hardly as firm of a distinction as we tend to like to think anyway. It's really handy for cutting through all the bullshit of people trying to frame different things as one or the other based ultimately on their preferences and just talking past each other. But that tends to piss EVERYONE off for one reason or another 🤷♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/23 12:45 AM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.No, you don't understand how language works. I'll give YOU a hint: if every dictionary has its own definitions of words which change over time, then that proves dictionaries don't just hand down the "correct" meaning of words like Holy scripture from God. Read some God damn Wittgenstein you arrogant dope. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 08:14 PM |
| 0 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Argumentum ex dictionarium is a lazy retort for people who don't know how language works. Now all you've done is shift the ambiguity onto the word "comfortable." In response to your other comment, you clearly DO care or you wouldn't be commenting over and over trying to justify your position. What you want is to not feel as nakedly transactional and materialistically shallow as your attitude clearly makes you and frankly it's that self-denial that I find more irksome than the actual attitude, ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 08:08 PM |
| -1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.financially stable/well off These are two WILDLY different things. You're telling on yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:59 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.realizing that a woman loves a man based on what the man provides This was one of their main points and you seem to be all but confirming it. You just are trying to frame things that ought not be thought of as provision from my perspective as provision so that you can at least say, "well men only love based on provision too." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:55 PM |
| 2 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneI bring it up because most people would reject that label and so are massive hypocrites for using the rhetoric of exploitation only when it suits them. If you're a rare exception to that, then good. But your addiction rhetoric is straight out of the puritanical playbook and just seems like a way to try and frame your personal distaste for something as objective. Are you in favor of banning all drugs too? Including alcohol? How about social media? Especially for kids, but clearly it has deleterio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:53 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.Yes, that's been my and OP's contention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:40 PM |
| -1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.In an actual loving, intimate relationship, no. It's not something "that a partner provides for their significant other." It's a mutual expression of intimacy and desire that's a large part of what makes romantic relationships distinct from and deeper than platonic relationships. Trying to frame it as something one person (read: the woman) provides the other (read: the man) is just a rhetorical strategy for justifying and counter-balancing obviously transactional demands like financial or status… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:30 PM |
| 0 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them."Financial security" is a vague term that can mean anything you want it to depending on "lifestyle preferences." The vast majority of men and women can achieve "financial security" in the literal sense of not starving to death or ending up homeless, but that's not how most women use the term when they talk about it as a relationship need. But presenting it more honestly as a preference for a certain amount of luxury would reveal how shallow it is and undermine the framing of it as a "need." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:16 PM |
| 0 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.In the vast majority of cases men making arguments like that seem to be parroting the rhetoric they hear from women and flipping it around. One can argue that overt RP arguments are in general a response to feminist rhetoric. That doesn't completely excuse those men in my book, but it seems more like a reluctant rather than enthusiastic adoption of that argumentative style, something they arrive at out of desperation and frustration. "You want to make everything into a job interview? Fine! Then … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:11 PM |
| 1 | The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them.And their point was that sex or intimacy in general are different from nakedly material provision and trying to equate them just reads as further leaning into the transactionalization of human relationships OP is talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 07:06 PM |
| 2 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneSam Harris is not a leftist and the progressive sheen he puts on what are fundamentally "rightist" ideas is what makes him so deceptively dangerous. These videos by a philosophy professor I think offer a concise introduction to what makes his positions problematic: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGt0I5MbQSI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdsDzZDMzKM | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 06:52 PM |
| 3 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneYou didn't. I even specified in my last comment that it could be "either the theistic kind or some secular version," but you don't seem to understand what a religious attitude is. You're classifying entire swaths of people as "addicts" because it suits your dogmatic beliefs but funnily enough as soon as anyone tries to classify you in a way you don't find flattering, now that's an issue. And unless you're a communist I don't want to hear you invoking exploitative, billion-dollar industries as a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 06:43 PM |
| 6 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneYes, it does. Either the theistic kind or some secular version, but puritanical and authoritarian are the most important words in there. Lol please point out anywhere that I've even indicated I watch porn. Please. You may as well have just said "sinner." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 06:25 PM |
| 6 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneNext time I see a post talking about the bad impacts of drugs I'll just leave a comment saying "dont like drugs? dont do them x" Yes, that's exactly what someone who isn't a puritanical religious nut with an authoritarian personality would say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:42 PM |
| 2 | Sex work is not empowering for women , its derogatory and benefits no oneUgh... I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark here and say you're a fan of Sam Harris? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:37 PM |
| 3 | Men Who Have Been on These Forums and Have Dated - How do you manage?I think maybe it's similar to how I keep a job while also being aware of all the structural ways capitalism is set up to take advantage of me. I'm not prepared to give up a job or relationships, even though I TECHNICALLY could, because life would be miserable without them. I suppose in the best cases, that knowledge helps keep me alert but also gives me perspective when I'm in a relatively good position and allows me to appreciate the deviations I see in a particular job or relationship from the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:27 AM |
| 5 | What does it actually mean to be a non traditional man?So do you still wanna tell me you don't get validation from putting down anonymous dudes online you consider losers? Cuz you spend an awful lot of time doing it for that not to be the case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/23 05:13 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadFamily has gone through a lot of changes so the holidays have been kind of in flux for a while. Hard to pin down any more specific "traditions" yet. I'm making a giant batch of clarified milk punch this year. If enough folks like it maybe that'll catch on? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 09:07 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadEat and drink too much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 08:46 PM |
| 2 | Actually a man still being inexperienced in his 20s can be a red flag...Eyyy, didn't even notice! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 07:54 PM |
| 2 | Actually a man still being inexperienced in his 20s can be a red flag...The cooptation of medicalizing labels has given bullies a great excuse for perpetuating discriminatory, prejudicial attitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 07:37 PM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?It seems to be exactly OP's case to me. Why don't you tell me what an acceptable version of that would look like to you then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?Kid who suffered both here. Both suck. The bruises healed a lot faster and more completely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?Is there any way you could conceive of for someone to admit physical abuse exists while still concluding that emotional abuse can in some ways be worse that you wouldn't consider "brushing [physical abuse] under the rug?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:13 AM |
| – | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?If those were the reasons, women would be best off dating ugly, awkward virgins. It's so pathetic how many of you won't even be honest with yourselves and expect others to buy this absolutely transparent rationalizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/23 12:00 AM |
| – | Are men really the biggest problem or is it women?It's fucking wild how they'll go completely mask off like that but are still too chickenshit to actually admit it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 11:59 PM |
| 1 | If your believe system makes you feel good, it no longer is serving youIf you're pulling this from a particular source, I'd love to see it. If this is just your idea, that's ok too, but I'd say (2) strikes me as problematic. Individual humans can have counterposed interests which makes each person pursuing them liable to harm societal integrity. Maybe this is what you meant by, "the presence of violence and dominance hints at deeper, critical issues," but it didn't necessarily read that way to me. I agree that (1) needs some sort of ideological justification, be th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 06:38 PM |
| 3 | Why do men want girlfriends so badly?I can't imagine anyone ends up here without being deviant (and I use that word not as a moral judgement but just to express deviation from some possibly arbitrary, typical norm) in some way. That said, I also don't think the ideas expressed here are completely detached from meat-space opinions. Exaggerated and unfiltered maybe, but not just out of nowhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 09:06 AM |
| 11 | Why do men want girlfriends so badly?The vast majority of men who might be called out for either being misogynistic or harboring misogynistic qualities wouldn't describe themselves that way and the feminist treatises which try to explain why it's nonetheless true are far more elaborate than that comment. People can and do hold beliefs and perform actions which they might not consciously be able to articulate and may even disavow when they see them framed in an unflattering way. This, by itself, isn't a good argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 09:01 AM |
| 2 | If your believe system makes you feel good, it no longer is serving youBut vhere is zee lie?? sniff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 08:37 AM |
| 3 | If your believe system makes you feel good, it no longer is serving youHow do you define "effective" without a belief system telling you what to pursue? Surely given your position here you're not going to just fall back on the naturalistic fallacy to claim it should be obvious. To be clear, I think I largely agree with you, but I'm not sure you take your position far enough! They Live is also either the best bad movie or worst great movie ever made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/23 08:34 AM |
| 7 | Why do men leave their sick wives?The "other reasons" you mentioned are a distinction without a difference. What is the matter with you? what the hell could possibly be the point of this line of questioning other than to undermine him? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 06:50 AM |
| 2 | What do women here think of low value men who are aware that they are low value?I think the closest thing to a neutral but still correct answer is that most people don't hold those they consider "lesser" in active contempt, but they can if you "step out of line." If you "know" (read: act) where they think you belong in the social hierarchy, they're happy to treat you with absolute ambivalence and let you fade into the background, like how the rich tend to treat service staff. It's only when you start behaving in a way that's out of line for your station that the active disd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/23 12:17 AM |
| 1 | Older women are way easier to manipulate than younger girlsGod just tell him you think he's a piece of shit. I think his "experiment" was a pretty lousy thing to do, but y'all are just lying through your teeth pretending this stream of insults and social shaming isn't meant to insult and shame him. Grow a spine and stand behind what you think if you think it's worth saying at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 11:34 PM |
| 2 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?I mean, for a lot of people commenting here it sure sounds like a substitution rather than a priority list. I know apres talks all the time about how she's completely given up on dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 10:13 PM |
| 1 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?I simply pointed out... Ok, sure. Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself? I guess I'm probably just some wildly off-base internet rando though. That's usually worth a 3-paragraph response to someone who wasn't even replying to me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 10:10 PM |
| 1 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?Doesn't that end up meaning scabbing for striking workers in a lot of cases? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 07:30 AM |
| 2 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?It seems like the people who are "perfectly content in their own lives" and "just want to help those struggling" rely a ton on the external validation they get from demeaning and criticizing the kinds of people they see as doing life wrong. It's the prevalence of attitudes like that which makes me think it's impossible to have a fulfilled life without external validation. You can either admit that and seek it in positive ways, or try to deny it while un or semi-consciously getting it by stomping… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 07:29 AM |
| 11 | For those of you who can’t get dates/relationships, what are some other goals you have in life?So what I'm seeing seems to boil down to either careerism or consumerism. Call me crazy, but if living for the hope of a fulfilling relationship is "unhealthy," I'll take that unhealthy fantasy over the other apparent options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/23 07:23 AM |
| 1 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himrather then trying to just swipe through your possible matches why not just pay us for a subscription and we'll show you all of them You could've saved yourself a lot of typing and just said this | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/23 01:00 AM |
| 4 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himThat's one thing. Obviously that's not the only thing one could complain about but I feel like you're just trying to come up with a horrible misreading of me to attack rather than actually engaging in good faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 10:30 PM |
| 5 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himCut the crap. You wouldn't feel the need to offer an excuse if you didn't realize it was at least lousy. Not to mention how many times I've heard from women how tired they apparently are of "low effort" messages from men so it's more than fair to apply that regardless of gender. Are you just trying to pick a fight? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 10:24 PM |
| 7 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himLame excuse for shitty behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 09:03 PM |
| 13 | If the man doesn't like the woman more the relationship will never work out. Youtubers and red pill men need to stop telling women to pursue men. Men hate to be pursued and feel uncomfortable with a woman thirsting after himLol like how Bumble is supposed to be the platform where "women take the lead." In practice that means IF you get to the point of a message, they usually just send something like, "hey," "😊," or "👋" and expect you to ACTUALLY get the ball rolling. After which they're still just as likely to go radio silent as they are on any of the other apps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 08:00 PM |
| – | Thought Experiment: What’s the difference between a post-op M2F transexual and a sex robot?Oh my god. They sound like an asshole. This trend of just labeling anyone being an obtuse dickhead autistic instead of an obtuse dickhead needs to end. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/23 04:26 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone else think flirting is so embarrassing?"Nice Chanel handbag. Did you know Coco was a Nazi?" Am I doing it right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.Obviously I'm a bit biased being one of those, but I really wish this was reflected more in the popular discourse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.Where did you pick up Jung? I've noticed not, like, a LOT but a curious number of women who are into him. Did you ever encounter Lacan? If so, why the preference for Jung? And why Jung if you're so anti-Freudian? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:25 PM |
| 16 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.I think reciprocity is the key there | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:15 PM |
| 3 | Women who are looking for a father not a partner.And also kinda right | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:05 PM |
| – | Q4W: With what kind of man did you have your very first intimate experience?Bro you really gotta take it easy. Do you know how wacky you've gotta be acting for me to be taking that other person's side?? Why ask for people's experiences just to insult them when they tell you what you asked for? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 08:00 PM |
| 3 | Men Have Abandoned WomenDoes that not apply at least as much to contemporary women then? Even here, but of course more in predominantly women-driven subs, not to mention blog posts and articles elsewhere, a large number of women have taken to viewing men as at best unnecessary accessories that, like any other accessory or trinket, need to prove what utility they bring to the table before being considered worth keeping around and at worst as primitive, destructive anachronisms that should largely be avoided in favor of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Men Have Abandoned WomenI'll say this for ya, Christian Blue Pill is certainly an... interesting perspective | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 07:27 PM |
| 14 | How do you explain your dating struggles to your parents?I think this might be one of the major disconnects people have here. I live in the Bay Area and am surrounded by this type even though I know it's not how all women think and act. But I think some people are less inundated with them in other areas and so mistake issues some men have for exaggeration. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 01:27 AM |
| 0 | How do you approach dating knowing full well you’re going into it with your judgement impaired.Why do you value whatever you consider your "judgement" to be in isolation? Isn't that also just dictated by chemicals in your brain? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/23 01:24 AM |
| 4 | If men want societal safety nets, they need to band together and weather the storm to get them.The people doing what you're saying look like the Proud Boys. Has it occured to you men not leaning into their natural strengths to force social change they want is at least in part due to their acceptance of feminist ideals? If you want to hold that against them now, I don't think you'll be happy with the results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 09:05 PM |
| 0 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesLol then what does that make you? Some kind of anarchist? Or something the other way, like a monarchist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:23 PM |
| – | What do men want from women in a relationship?I mean what do expect them to say? If they answer, "they'd largely do fine," will you just accept that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:16 PM |
| 0 | What would you do if you got a girl pregnant by accident?At the end of the day you still make a choice. You're just trying to offload responsibility for that choice onto a "code." This is one of the textbook examples Sartre gives of "bad faith." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 08:07 PM |
| 3 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesWhat you're calling "population fluctuations" can and in all likelihood will look like the poorest and most desperate people –who also happen to be the ones consuming the fewest resources– being squeezed tighter and tighter. Why do you assume changes in social norms will be good for everyone or even most people? Climate change continues to get worse and the "changes to social norms" we see are more conflict, more people forced to migrate, and poor people suffering the worst impacts so the wealth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:55 PM |
| 2 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesJust using lazy wiki stats, the black death killed off 50% of the population in Europe, leaving somewhere around 50 million people and guess what? Europeans survived. This kind of thinking is exactly what I was talking about. Think about what you're saying. You're saying an event or series of events that makes the Holocaust look like a bad flu season would be ok because the species itself would probably survive. And with the current global economic and political order, who do you think would be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:34 PM |
| 3 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesIt's rich assholes. Not Boomers. This generational nonsense is a red herring. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:30 PM |
| 1 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesTotally agree. Communism done right would give women MORE freedom to choose how to live their lives and probably help with this issue along the way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:28 PM |
| 4 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesSounds like capitalistic ownership schemes are the main problem if you don't want to just turn women back into baby mills and children into cheap labor. Like you said, we've got the tech. It's just not being used to make life easier and more stable for most people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:19 PM |
| -3 | From a cold, practical perspective isn't women's emancipation bad for society if it leads to low birth ratesGreat Replacement ethno-dipshits are dumb. But unless you just want to let a massive amount of people die off (which would probably mean mostly the poor, the elderly, and the sick on a global scale) declining birth rates are a problem. Doesn't matter what color the babies are, but we do need more of them. Or we need a much better organized society that prioritizes care for people over catering to the consumptive whims of the wealthiest individuals. Maybe some of both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:17 PM |
| 5 | What can autistic guys do to not make women feel like predators?When I was in school certain types of people would be written off as dorks or losers. Our culture has moved to a more (at least superficially) empathetic place where saying stuff like that makes you seem cold and mean. But if you lump all those same characteristics under a medical-sounding term like autistic, that makes it perfectly acceptable to write them off again. Look at how often women on this sub just declare a guy "autistic" when they don't like or agree with him. It's just become the ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 07:08 PM |
| 2 | How does anyone connect if no one will chase?I keep saying this place needs rough location and preferably politico-economic orientation in flairs as well as pill/gender. I feel like a ton of differences get papered over when they're not made explicit which can leave people each thinking the other is crazy in a discussion. Like I live in the Bay Area and I'm confident the dating zeitgeist here is lightyears away from what it is in, say, the middle of Kansas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 04:51 AM |
| 5 | Sexual deviancy for men is sexual liberation for womenI think we all understand, intuitively Yes that's called implicit bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/23 03:03 AM |
| 2 | Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair]Meaning the guy would already say and LIVE BY the notion that paternity testing is a part of having a child. Is that not exactly what most of the men bringing up this point are advocating? It doesn't seem like most women responding would be "fine" with that regardless of when it's brought up, as evidenced by their full-throated opposition to it in the largely hypothetical, future-oriented context of a thread in this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 08:35 PM |
| 2 | What Percentage of College Girls Are This Superficial?There's a Nietzschean argument to be made on the "stronger" and "weaker" men front, but by that logic, the women's movement uses that same strategy. So it's at best hypocritical to try and shame "lesser" men for it while still supporting it when the "lesser" sex does the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 07:04 PM |
| 4 | What Percentage of College Girls Are This Superficial?A red flag | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/23 06:59 PM |
| 2 | What exactly do you mean when you accuse men of "stringing women along for sex" ? Can you give examples of this behavior?The implication of invoking "neurotypical" while telling someone you disagree with them is that "normal" or "properly functioning" people do what you say, and therefore the other person's position can be dismissed as flawed due to your tying it up with "flawed" ways of being. Unless you consider their perspective equally valid and just different. But that doesn't feel like what you meant to imply. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:28 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel that growing up in strict, religious environments makes men lack confidence?Depends on the specifics, I think. Religion can make people feel meek and powerless, or give them the confidence and surety of purpose to martyr themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:22 PM |
| 0 | What exactly do you mean when you accuse men of "stringing women along for sex" ? Can you give examples of this behavior?Man, medicalizing diversity of thought was supposed to undermine the normative judgements attached to it but some people just took it as an excuse to objectivize their insults. What a shame. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 09:15 PM |
| 3 | Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair]It hardly seems like it should be your unilateral call to make, deciding what level of trust is "acceptable" when. I'm sure you wouldn't tolerate a man trying to dictate that to you in any other circumstance. Regardless of your relationship status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 08:04 PM |
| 3 | Woman who complain about ot being able to find a "good man" just have very high standardsRepulsive dry duty sex is actually traumatic and painfull for women you know... I really hope you don't think this is news to me... Well vegetables are just some childhood issue. I mean food you actually don't like. The point is your preferences are ultimately open to change. That doesn't mean they just automatically change on a whim, and you can decide you don't want to change them, but that's different than them being unchangeable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:22 PM |
| 3 | Woman who complain about ot being able to find a "good man" just have very high standardsI think we fundamentally disagree about how humans work and that food analogy solidifies that. That's the logic of a stubborn child who doesn't want to eat vegetables. Most children grow out of that and realize they were wrong. I know I did. If you're happy with that though, then whatever. You just don't actually seem very happy with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 06:07 PM |
| 12 | Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair]Why is it perfectly legitimate for women to use the logic, "there's a small chance of my worst fear being realized, but I can't be sure with any individual so it's better to be safe than sorry," but not men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 07:51 AM |
| 8 | Woman who complain about ot being able to find a "good man" just have very high standardsUnless you think you're a fundamentally different species, then accepting their point about men disproves yours. It's not that you can't change. It's that you don't want to. Which, whatever, fine, but at least admit that then. Also "consensual rape" is literally an oxymoron. The lengths women on this sub will go to to load their opinions with as much artificial rhetorical weight as possible, I swear... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 02:33 AM |
| 5 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Give me an example that isn't ultimately dependent on force. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 12:44 AM |
| 15 | Why do men say women have high standards?There's always some kind of vague qualifier in descriptions like this that ultimately leaves the door open for the answer to mean anything. "Reasonable" is a common one, but it can be plenty of different words. Once you pick up on this, those words almost glow a different color when you read them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/23 12:16 AM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI wanna see a podcast where an OF creator and a tobacco executive are asked the same questions about their business models and clientele. Think it'd be interesting | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:55 PM |
| 5 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Because it's accurate. I'd define violence as a person or group imposing their will on others by force. How does that not describe law enforcement? The only reason I can imagine to try and deny that is if you implicitly define violence as bad in your head, and therefore something to be avoided. By that logic you either have to reject law enforcement all together, accept that society relies on a "bad" thing, or try to suggest that it's not violent which doesn't seem to lead to anything but a circ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:49 PM |
| 3 | Advice for unsuccessful men in romance vs advice for financially unsuccessful people and incel rhetoric vs socialist rhetoricThere’s a massive difference between a system having unequal or even unfair outcomes, and a system being “rigged” against people. Is there? "Fair" is contingent on what you believe the purpose of a system is. The premise in basketball, and any sport really, is to foster and express competition in terms of whatever rules define that particular game and the most relevant metrics to achieving competitive success as defined by those (ultimately arbitrary) rules. What's "fair" in an economy, as a con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:44 PM |
| 6 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.God, read some Foucault at least. Yes. Law enforcement is one of the clearest examples of violence there is. Once you accept that, you can begin deliberately exploring the question of when violence is or isn't justified. By rejecting it, you do the same, only in an unconscious way, defining violence as "bad" and therefore only an applicable description of things you disagree with, but with the unreflective certainty of a religious zealot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:34 PM |
| 2 | “Self Worth” is a silly concept. Your worth is determined by others, not you.Lots of people in here REALLY committed to the stabilizing egoic delusions they've built up for themselves... But at the end of the day they're just delusions if not socially validated. Ironically, I'd argue it's precisely this type of egoic delusion that keeps them complacent in a society that exists to extract value from them rather than confronting that reality head on and at least making something like a conscious decision WHERE to seek their ultimately necessary social validation from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 11:27 PM |
| 0 | Advice for unsuccessful men in romance vs advice for financially unsuccessful people and incel rhetoric vs socialist rhetoricits literally the barest minimum of caring for your own child Leave it to myopic "feminists" to uphold the sanctity and necessity of the nuclear family structure as long as its to own the men or whatever... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:56 PM |
| 18 | Advice for unsuccessful men in romance vs advice for financially unsuccessful people and incel rhetoric vs socialist rhetoricIndeed, I believe it's a massive ideological inconsistency a lot of people across the political spectrum share one way or the other. As some flavor of socialist myself, I find it deeply troubling to see so many women who otherwise consider themselves progressive or even radical embrace this line of reasoning. It's a dangerous pitfall that can and clearly does very easily funnel potential supporters of systems-based thinking and egalitarian attitudes into hyper-individualist, right-wing ideology.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationship"What happens if the woman says no?" "So you invite strangers from dating apps and you read them so well that they never say no?" Then why don't you explain what the purpose of this line of questioning was. I've been crystal clear that I think you're implying this guy is either lying about his outcomes or lying about respecting consent, which would make him a rapist. If you disagree with that, why don't you explain what you meant instead of just deflecting with another vague rhetorical question? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:39 PM |
| 2 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationship"I don't know where you'd get that from." Proceeds to insinuate I have some unhealthy, maybe Freudian, compulsion to think about rape Gee, you're right. Where could I ever get an idea like that..? 🙄 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:18 PM |
| – | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?I wish I had the confidence to write off an entire argument with the single word "wrong" then get all huffy and indignant rather than even trying to elaborate when they doesn't change anyone's mind. I mean, I don't really because I think I'd be an idiot, but god it must be comfortable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:16 PM |
| 2 | What made you join the red pill?Besides, even so, aren't we in the "sexual liberation" and no s1oot shaming era? Isn't having "sexual freedom" supposed to "empower" women? Not anymore. 4th wave feminists (read: late-Millennial and Zoomer feminists mostly) seem to have forgotten this evolution out of 1st wave feminism and fallen into some neo-puritanical anti-sex dogma. They could honestly use a bit of Camille Paglia I think, but instead they've got TikTok and Twitter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 10:08 PM |
| – | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?Compelling. I'm convinced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 09:52 PM |
| 2 | Sex on the first date is a good first step to a relationshipHow badly do you need to believe that all men are just rapists waiting for an opportunity to strike? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 09:47 PM |
| 1 | To most women, a "real man" is a man who caters to them and is easy to control.Alan was used, neglected, and abused throughout the whole movie despite doing more to reclaim Barbieland than almost any of the actual Barbies. I consider it a huge red flag if a woman feels anything other than sorry for his constant mistreatment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 07:41 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.All of that's a rhetorical mirroring of the responses women always give to those men they see as feeling "entitled" to romance, sex, or attention. You're not paying attention if you don't see that. These men are directing women's professed standards back at them and in a STUNNING turn of events, they don't seem to be taking it well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 05:29 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.You provided less than I did. If you want to try and argue I'm wrong, go right ahead. But you know you can't or if you're actually just wildly ignorant you'll find out you can't as soon as you try. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 05:03 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.Men are not the ones enforcing this mentality. It's women who almost exclusively push the cold, transactional, quasi-legalistic interpretation of relationships with their boundaries and rights trumping any conflicting desires a man might have. You're out of your bleeding mind if you think it's primarily men trying to reduce relationships to an exchange that can be ruled on like a business arrangement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:58 PM |
| – | Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild.Seriously. I really didn't think any more than a couple people could so blatantly engage in rank hypocrisy but here we are. The double standards so many women seem to feel entitled if not straight righteous in trying to enforce never cease to astound me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:40 PM |
| 2 | is hyper-individualism ruining our relationships?No, then you get a power struggle where the apportionment of benefits comes down to the relative distribution of leverage between the competing parties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:36 AM |
| 2 | is hyper-individualism ruining our relationships?It comes from liberalism, marketed and delivered by capitalism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/23 04:11 AM |
| 5 | Do most girls actually flirt/sex/hookup with fboys while simultaneously developing connections with good genuine guys on the side?Yeah it certainly makes the question of who's to blame –if that's even a question that makes sense to begin with– messier. It's clearly not as simple though as the comfortable position a lot of women want to take that it's just men and their problematic natures that bear responsibility. Personally, intellectually, morally, I kind of hate the red pill. But I can't deny its efficacy, at least in the socio-cultural environment we currently exist in. So what am I to do in that situation? I can't cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/23 01:44 AM |
| 10 | Do most girls actually flirt/sex/hookup with fboys while simultaneously developing connections with good genuine guys on the side?I think this is something a lot of women, especially on this sub, don't want to consider: the red pill stuff doesn't feel natural or even necessarily all that appealing to plenty of guys. We end up absorbing and enacting a lot of it because it works even if we might really want things to work differently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/23 01:07 AM |
| -1 | One major issue with dating apps: they keep everyone in their comfort zones.There's a difference between finding meaning in something others tend to find superficial like a certain genre of music and making sweeping assumptions about people based on superficial judgements. Ironically it's YOUR perspective that seems to preclude anyone being able to find meaning in something you consider superficial (EDM music for example). It's wild to me how many people seem utterly fine being so closed-minded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:58 PM |
| 0 | One major issue with dating apps: they keep everyone in their comfort zones.Lol what you've confirmed is you can PROJECT a lot onto people based on superficial indicators. You're doing exactly what OP is trying to criticize. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:22 PM |
| 3 | Would you date a woman who left-swiped you on a dating app?It seems to me like men and women broadly use apps in a different way. Men's default position is usually "yes" with the idea of getting to know if you vibe with a person or not through actual interaction. They scan profiles for obvious dealbreakers that would change that default "yes" to a "no." Women, on the other hand, seem to default to "no" and view men's profiles as chances to "wow" her and convince her to change that default "no" to a "yes," which only means "willing to have some sort of i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:11 PM |
| 0 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderYour list of reasons why older women are less desirable is exactly why younger women should focus on improving and supporting themselves rather than focusing on supporting and pleasing men’s. There is nothing whatsoever that they can do to guarantee they’ll still be appealing to their man in 20 years, because men overwhelmingly desire youth and beauty and fertility. Giving a man your youth won’t mean he will still thinks you’re amazing when you’re older. He is still biologically a man, and men w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderYou did exactly that! You rolled in and accused me personally, based on nothing but one comment on Reddit, of having, in your words, “undesirable non-physical traits”. It’s a negative personal accusation against me… again, based on, what exactly? The fact that I disagree that women should marry judgmental assholes like OP when they’re young? Really? All of that could be true regardless of your age. Where did I say age was anything like the critical variable here? But also, more seriously, do you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 10:05 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?I'm not interested in dragging this one out even further. Chalk that up as a win if you like. But if I had to boil down our fundamental disagreement to one thing, I'd say it's that you and I have very different conceptions of what constitutes "voluntary," which is where my sweatshop example in the first comment came from. The apologists for that will also insist that none of the girls are slaves and they often earn more than they would doing some other job in the area given their personal circum… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 09:24 AM |
| 1 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderIt doesn’t matter if you retain as many desirables to men as you age as possible if your age itself leads men to assume the worst about you. And that’s exactly what you and OP are doing: assuming that women are not kind or nurturing or supportive as they age. I am not assuming this which is why I made the point of highlighting how little the list OP gave actually has to do with age in anything other than a correlative sense. You assumed right there that I’m divorced and a single mom and have a h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 09:17 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?Oh please. What else could the purpose of your comment have been other than to frame historic examples of atrocity and exploitation (and by implication their contemporary formulations) as men imposing on women rather than the wealthy and powerful imposing on most of humanity? The people making up the bulk of military forces throughout history and in the present have been compelled to either directly or circumstantially and suffered the worst experiences while least enjoying the benefits you laud… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 08:44 AM |
| 2 | “Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence”I wouldn't quite say those are "the fixes" but they're absolutely necessary as a start. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 07:44 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?This is the same disgusting mindset that ruthless transnational capitalists use to justify sweatshop work by teenage girls in former colonial holdings to this day. How much exploitation are you willing to condone to feel vindicated in your self-serving ideology? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 06:36 AM |
| 2 | Women lose traits that men want in a partner as they get olderPoints 3 and to a lesser extent 1 are the only ones directly tied to age. 8, 5, and 4 you can make arguments for but they're at least if not more contingent on life choices. The rest are purely matters of personality that don't need to have anything to do with age. I'm sure it's empowering to boil it all down to youth since that makes you feel "wise" for taking the perspective you do, but most of this list doesn't require you to be young. It's just comfortable to pretend it does because then you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 06:10 AM |
| 14 | “Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence”Yes, "confidence" is a shit metric for what are socially acceptable versions of "appealing" traits. Yes, it matters a lot. People be shallow, self-righteous, and dumb. But let's be honest all around, women just "not using critical thinking skills" isn't really why this upsets you, is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 03:22 AM |
| 0 | Does TRP believe that the best way to solve this dating problem, is too become the problem?Basically yes and it's one of the main reasons I don't consider myself "red pill." It's just leaning into the issues that already exist in dating which can be a "solution" for some individuals but collectively it's just playing into a positive feedback loop that makes the overall problem worse. But most of the men who really buy into it have a deeply individualistic mindset so they generally don't see or don't care about that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/23 02:58 AM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultStatisticians are hired by people with motives. I'm not saying the only motive is necessarily prejudicial, but I am saying I believe it's the case in just about every instance of it I've seen. Again, I don't think there's ever such a thing –and I include myself here– as JUST bringing up a statistic. Stats are ALWAYS meant to further some argument. The frustrating and often dangerous thing is when that argument is deliberately left implicit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:37 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultI don't believe there's ever such a thing as "stating basic stats." People always have a motive for citing particular statistics and I find that in just about every case, bringing up black crime statistics (particularly in contrast to crime statistics for other races) is an attempt to justify anti-black prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 11:22 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultAnd what, precisely, "is" it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 10:54 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assault😮💨 I knew you'd latch onto that sentence and ignore all the caveats I placed around it... The example you brought up is rape by deception, yes. Because it's a totally different person. Not knowing every single detail about someone before you have sex with them is not the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 09:10 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultA little bit deceptive? Which I guess you can call "rape" if you want, but if that's the case, then under that specific usage of the word, I'd say not all rape is that big a deal. Now before you run away with that, I'm gonna highlight that I'd never say that in most contexts but you're trying to extend the definition of rape by deception to an absurd degree because rape carries so much rhetorical weight as a term. That scene in Revenge of the Nerds where the dude pretends to be the girl's boyfri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 09:04 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultI mean, sure, I guess that would be somewhat deceptive but calling it "rapey" feels like a wild overstatement to me. It also seems like a very niche situation that's unlikely to happen all that often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:52 PM |
| 1 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Well you could educate me then but so far you seem really reluctant to explain your position | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:49 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultAnd black men are statistically more likely than white men to commit violent crimes, but we all know the people bringing up that fact are just looking for an excuse to rationalize their prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:41 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultIf "trick" means "not preemptively provide every inconsequential detail about yourself on the off chance someone might be prejudiced against it," then yeah. I don't tell everyone I'm about to sleep with what brand of toothpaste I use either. This comment is a great example by the way of something I was talking about the other day: women using exaggerated, emotionally charged language to frame their personal hangups as moral imperatives. It's dishonest and does nothing for those who don't already… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:39 PM |
| 2 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Radfem gender abolitionist seems like a weird combo to me, but if you wanna keep it vague I guess I'm just gonna have to live with that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 08:22 PM |
| – | Lying or failing to disclose your sexual orientation to your partner is sexual coercion and falls under the same category as rape and assaultLunacy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 07:31 PM |
| 2 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?I don't follow any of those people. I'm drawing on my own experiences here. And I didn't say they're all totally good and empathetic and all that. I just mean they tend to be much better than liberal feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 07:25 PM |
| 2 | Is the only way to see success on the dating apps is to look like a bad boy?Horst Wessel is my favorite name from history that just sounds completely made up | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 06:19 PM |
| 2 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?I don't feel like saying I've got no issues with trans people puts me at risk of being banned. Particularly given your choices of words, I have to imagine you've got a different take if you're worried about being banned for whatever you'd have to say about trans people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 06:09 PM |
| 0 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menSo because you can imagine a scenario where the bf acts as some kind of barrier between the gf and the other man, that means that's definitely how every MMF threesome works? Aight | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Two leaders in a relationship. Thoughts?I'm really hoping your flair means you're literally a child because imagining otherwise hurts my brain | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Two leaders in a relationship. Thoughts?Are you the woman in the TikTok? 🤔 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:56 PM |
| 2 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Lol I knew it. Terf Island living up to its reputation I see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:40 PM |
| 5 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menSounds more like you're telling on yourself here than anything | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:35 PM |
| 13 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menAnd here we have a perfect example of a woman rationalizing her prejudices rather than confronting them. An unfortunately common practice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:34 PM |
| 3 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menI don't think a woman getting pegged faces nearly as much stigma so it doesn't seem like bottoming is the fundamental or only element. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:23 PM |
| 4 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menThis is an interesting framing I hadn't considered before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:19 PM |
| 2 | Research on women's aversion to bisexual menSooo if he's one of the men, his gf is the woman, and the third is also a man at a threesome, what does that imply the third man will be doing? Unless "threesome" for you means, "watch my bf fuck another man while I'm on the sidelines?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:16 PM |
| 3 | For those women that don't get "cat called" / approached by men, does the rhetoric that "Every woman faces this" make you feel like 'less" of a woman?Why do I feel based on the phrases you've chosen here like you've got some really spicy takes about trans women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 05:08 PM |
| 3 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADYou can imagine I'm making it up if you want. I'm not doxxing myself or anyone else by giving any more details. What could possibly be my motivation for making up details to support this comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 04:44 PM |
| 2 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADI think that is fair but just like with the women, I'm interested in why that's the value | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/23 12:21 AM |
| 3 | Women genuinely, "settling" never really works outhttps://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18bwzl0/are_men_like_androids/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 11:14 PM |
| 1 | Since men outnumber women, male loneliness is not the fault of women and cannot be solved through partnership with women.I think there's something to this but here's another response I think is relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18dyd09/how_did_the_patriarchy_start_in_the_first_place/kckqah6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Since men outnumber women, male loneliness is not the fault of women and cannot be solved through partnership with women.This convo gets into it: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18eggnk/single_men_are_bitter_i_wonder_why/kco3yfk?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 10:27 PM |
| 6 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADI'm not gonna lie—I find the obsession with n-count weird. I've been with some fickle, demanding women who were barely more than virgins and some truly empathetic, incredible women who literally couldn't even remember their body count besides knowing it was in the dozens. I think the statistics about divorce are a post-hoc rationalization. If I had to guess, I think what makes this seem to matter can be a couple things. Either simple feelings of inadequacy or jealousy, which though I understand,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 09:09 PM |
| 7 | Since men outnumber women, male loneliness is not the fault of women and cannot be solved through partnership with women.Congratulations, your billionaire masters are guzzling champagne in celebration and quiet astonishment at the fact that your libido has proven such an effective lever for generating conformity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 09:02 PM |
| 0 | What is the ideal? What works best in a relationship?Ever heard of intersectionality? Also what a cowardly way to admit your gotcha didn't work. "Well why don't you just take that somewhere else so I don't have to focus on how I uphold systems of oppression!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?It's easy to say life isn't always fair from a relatively privileged position. I agree that trying to force people to change their expectations or desires is generally difficult at best and probably more likely to just be ineffective. That goes for women as well as men in this case. But I don't believe those things are mostly natural and immutable. I believe they're primarily dictated by the culture someone is immersed in. The typical man's perception of women's body hair in Anglo cultures over … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 08:29 PM |
| 0 | What is the ideal? What works best in a relationship?Yes you dolt. I'm a communist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 08:17 PM |
| 0 | What is the ideal? What works best in a relationship?She's undoubtedly drawing a much more substantial paycheck than any of them would receive and still claims that it wouldn't be enough for her to be comfortable. But bourgeois feminists stepping on other women, using revolutionary rhetoric to justify ruthless market relations and social climbing, is nothing new. If you don't see the issue with that, it's because we have fundamentally different principles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 07:47 PM |
| 2 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?first paragraph For acute moments of pain, I agree. But that experience is fundamentally different for men and women I think because women have a fundamentally easier time having those needs met than men. Commiseration can be helpful for sharp periods of struggle but if the struggle is the baseline, commiseration loses its effectiveness pretty quickly. second paragraph Mostly agree on the particulars in a vacuum but the different baselines I outlined above mean these responses are often inadequa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 07:35 PM |
| 0 | What is the ideal? What works best in a relationship?Well viewing passive income as a cheat code to "having it all" after pointing out how difficult an expectation this is to meet is a strong example. How much consideration is there for the well-being of the nannies or housekeepers she wants to rely on? How about their kids or families? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 07:25 PM |
| 13 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?Much like when women complain about their problems, the underlying aim is to change society in order to alleviate those problems. But if you start from the premise that you'll absolutely never support that happening, then I suppose I can see how you'd come to dismiss it as just complaining. The spaces you're describing exist. They just tend to turn into stuff like the Proud Boys rather than magically forgetting the problems as soon as they share them with each other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 07:18 PM |
| 14 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?Barbie offered that as a meaningless bit of cope while rejecting Ken in favor of hollow corporate consumerism as the core of identity. When Barbie says it, it means, "please stop trying to include me in your vision of a fulfilled life." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Single men are bitter. I wonder why?Women's general attitudes towards single men is exactly like how the Left perceives the Right's attitude to be towards the working class and the poor.They think most of you are ungrateful losers who are lazy, stupid, and haven't worked hard enough to be "normal" like others. Man this is not how "the Left" views working class people. This is basically the standard righ wing attitude. I have to assume when you say "Left" you mean liberals. Liberals are not the left. They're right-wingers who gasli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 07:07 PM |
| 1 | What is the ideal? What works best in a relationship?I was with you until you somehow only saw fit to call out the man for this attitude when both clearly exhibit it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 06:47 PM |
| 3 | What is the ideal? What works best in a relationship?Congratulations, you've figured out that the easiest way to be comfortable regardless of gender is to be rich, ideally having others pay for your lifestyle (passive income) and that people with a similar mindset tend to be selfish and view other people primarily as means to their own ends (the man you're currently dating) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 06:45 PM |
| 1 | “Women are hornier than men”🙄 must be nice to get your way so often just by leaning on inducing a guilt or shame response in others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 06:30 PM |
| -1 | Women genuinely, "settling" never really works outProbably not, no. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 06:14 AM |
| -2 | Women genuinely, "settling" never really works outBut your dogmatic assumptions about human drives combined with a religiously derived insistence on the sovereignty of the individual are just obvious, natural facts, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 06:07 AM |
| 0 | Women genuinely, "settling" never really works outWell then apply some Marxian concepts at least. It's still plenty nerdy. Doesn't always have to be this market fundamentalist crap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 06:02 AM |
| 5 | Women genuinely, "settling" never really works outThese kinds of comments are why I literally laughed at that post the other day asking if MEN think and act like androids | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 06:00 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?That's probably oversimplifying it but something like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 05:53 AM |
| 1 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?Not that I completely disagree, but I think this downplays the radical, liberatory ethos of particularly early Christianity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 12:58 AM |
| 2 | How did the patriarchy start in the first place?One of the anecdotes I remember from Robert Sapolsky's absurdly long book Behave is about how testosterone seems to affect men's behavior. In short, it does trigger competition for social and sexual recognition, but along the lines of what's socially considered desirable. That means culture plays a large if not the primary role in determining how men compete even if nature dictates that they compete. Capitalist competition is natural for men inculcated with capitalist ideology. But there's no bi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/23 12:55 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill claim that modern women are “not held accountable” is completely bogus.What are men told to feel about dick pics and by who? The vast majority of the time they seem to be told by women that unsolicited dick pics cause serious harm and should never be sent, with sexual harassment also often invoked to put it on par with much more directly harmful or threatening behavior. Why would all women need to feel the same way about that? That's a good question that's usually not brought up when giving very morally charged, black-and-white imperatives to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 10:53 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill claim that modern women are “not held accountable” is completely bogus.so even still try again. This condescending tone is another and it really drives me crazy. I've explained to another person here my thoughts on your other point. You can read those comments for a response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 10:43 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill claim that modern women are “not held accountable” is completely bogus.If they disagree as profoundly as that dichotomy would imply, yes. If not, why should they tell men how to feel either? Even if you don't care about men's perspectives they'd still be giving advice that's contrary to how other women feel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 10:42 PM |
| 3 | Why do single women seem so happy compared to single men?So why the automatic assumption that the people who feel different than you are in need of "correction?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 10:22 PM |
| 4 | The Red Pill claim that modern women are “not held accountable” is completely bogus.it’s common sense and decent courtesy not to send sexually explicit content to people unsolicited. No shit. Feel free to dig though my comments and you'll find I've explicitly stated as much. This is a terrible example try again. The example isn't "unsolicited dick pics are fine actually;" it's an example of what the OP comment in this chain was pointing out: women using emotionally charged language to win arguments through rhetorical moral pressure rather than the quality of the argument. In fa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 09:21 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill claim that modern women are “not held accountable” is completely bogus.Sure, as with any kind of apparent group contradiction, it's possible you're just seeing different subsets of individuals. But I'd expect there to be more intra-group conflict if that was entirely the case. And if it were true it would necessarily undermine the claim that unsolicited dick pics are inherently traumatic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 08:13 PM |
| 4 | The Red Pill claim that modern women are “not held accountable” is completely bogus.You can check out the women arguing with me about dick pics in a recent thread. While multiple women freely admit to mocking dick pics with their friends in that thread (not something I'm offended by, but hardly a reaction to something genuinely traumatizing) they'll also try to frame dick pics as deeply damaging and traumatic in order to make it as rhetorically difficult as possible to push back on their position when "annoying" or "uncomfortable" are probably much better descriptions of what h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 07:39 PM |
| 2 | “Women are hornier than men”No, but I'd say the reason that's different in my mind is the immediate potential threat posed by someone physically close to you who'd choose to expose themselves. I've seen plenty of naked men (and women) at pride events and no one who's not just upset about the pride angle seems traumatized by that. That again suggests to me the exposure to other's genitals isn't the part that's actually traumatic. I think there's a vast chasm between "uncomfortable" and "traumatic." I woke up to a couple ver… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 07:11 PM |
| 2 | “Women are hornier than men”Optimistic, but plausible | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:49 PM |
| 2 | “Women are hornier than men”I mentioned somewhere else in here that in cases of persistent or threatening messages, I consider that a different issue. It can easily cross the line into what I'd call stalking and obviously there are serious steps that should be taken to respond to that. But I hear a lot of women seeming to frame just SEEING a dick pic as deeply traumatic and damaging and that just feels like an attempt to exaggerate the scale of harm in order to make questioning their attitudes as morally egregious as possi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:46 PM |
| 1 | “Women are hornier than men”Quick question since you brought up revenge porn: if I shared nudes a girl sent me with my friends, regardless of what they did with them, what would you call that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:37 PM |
| 3 | “Women are hornier than men”Ok but consensual rough play is very different from domestic violence. That feels like it shouldn't even need to be stated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:23 PM |
| 8 | “Women are hornier than men”My guess is claiming they're EVEN MORE HORNY yet know how to control themselves gives them another way to claim to be superior, rationally or morally, to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:19 PM |
| -2 | “Women are hornier than men”No, I'm equating two annoying, undesired things. What is the difference other than your subjective "ick" factor? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:12 PM |
| 0 | “Women are hornier than men”I get that they're annoying but the terms I see women framing them in go well beyond that. And that last line kind of undermines the point that it's about safety or consent. It sounds like it's more about just whether you find the picture appealing or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:10 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI'd call that creeping misanthropy and it might be worth examining | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 09:06 AM |
| 2 | “Women are hornier than men”You'll have to forgive me if I think we have very different definitions of the words "plenty," "threatened," or "blackmailed." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 08:39 AM |
| 0 | “Women are hornier than men”How many times has that happened to you? That you've been threatened or blackmailed by someone you know? And what did you do in response? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 08:36 AM |
| -1 | “Women are hornier than men”They don't threaten you I assume? They generally either try to trick you into thinking they have some great deal for you that just a little upfront cash can get you in on, they're phishing for data to hack accounts, or they try to trick you into thinking you're in some kind of legal trouble like having not paid taxes to get money out of you. I'd consider that about on par with empty threats from randos on Instagram with the added worry that it's more likely to work. And you don't really know the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 08:13 AM |
| 0 | “Women are hornier than men”Different when people are sending dick pics. Why? And there’s also an uneasy safety feeling. "Feeling" being the most important word there, it would seem. Because sure, maybe some of those guys would actually be willing to do harm to you if they could find you (which is hardly a given if they're just sliding into some rando's DMs) but a lot are probably just awkward weirdos who feel like there's a chance you might be into it. By contrast, I KNOW all those scam voicemails are direct attempts to h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 07:55 AM |
| 5 | “Women are hornier than men”I get multiple scam voicemails left on my phone by spoofed numbers (so I can't even block them) every single day but it doesn't cause the visceral horror women claim to experience from unsolicited DMs. I just delete them, wish we didn't live in a society dominated by telecom lobbyists, and move on. OP may be stretching things a bit but there's a pretty wide gulf between being annoyed by something and experiencing trauma. Edit: thanks for the dick pic DMs! Those were very much unwanted but you kn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 07:42 AM |
| 3 | What is a dating issue that men or women cannot blame on the opposite gender?Ya know I'll take bread lines over shipping food out of the countryside at gunpoint because keeping the rich city dwellers happy and fat in a famine is more profitable than keeping the poors from starving to death. But good one, bro! Make sure to quote those Black Book 100 MILLION DEAD BY COMMUNIST DICTATORS meme numbers next! And again, I promise those professors aren't anywhere near as cool as you're making them sound. Did you even read my whole comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 07:18 AM |
| 5 | What is a dating issue that men or women cannot blame on the opposite gender?You gotta lay off the Fox, bro. I wish college professors were half as cool as the right-wing hysteria makes them sound. Truth is most of them are milquetoast neoliberals way closer to Friedman than Marx. Even the "Marxists" are mostly just Sraffians or edgy neo-Keynesians. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 06:50 AM |
| 5 | What is a dating issue that men or women cannot blame on the opposite gender?Ugh, if I had a dollar for every capitalism simp that tosses out these PragerU-ass arguments instead of something substantial, I'd actually have some political power in this corrupt capitalist republic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 04:07 AM |
| 1 | Question for men who want "traditional" gender normsHow can you say all the stuff you're saying about the US and "social mobility" here and be a Marxist? I haven't dug through you're posts; I'm just going off what's in this thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 04:04 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadUnderstandable | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI will say I upvoted for the message more than for the makeup, even if that's probably not the part OP cared about | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 02:45 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadYou an anarchist but not a leftist? Uh-oh... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 02:44 AM |
| 2 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.So is your argument that exploitation and domination are "masculine" traits and therefore men rather than exploiters ought to be the targets of social backlash even if, as you mention, anyone of any gender can exhibit those qualities? Because otherwise I don't see how this is relevant to what I said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 01:40 AM |
| 7 | What is a dating issue that men or women cannot blame on the opposite gender?I WISH more feminists sounded like this... I mostly just hear from corporate robots simping for consumerism and hyper-individualism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 01:24 AM |
| 1 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.If me explaining an idea then finding a relevant example within the very same conversation we're having isn't good enough for you to even entertain the idea, then I really don't think there's much point in us talking. Sounds like you just don't want to consider a different point of view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:55 AM |
| 1 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.Is that not exactly what most women say they want though? If women were as openly and shamelessly sexual as men tend to be then it wouldn't be a question. The fact that they aren't is what creates the perceptual disparity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:52 AM |
| 2 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.In fact here's a woman in this very thread expressing exactly what I'm saying: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18cxuyv/some_trends_women_are_involved_in_on_social_media/kcew6o8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button She literally acknowledges that her role as sexual gatekeeper makes her a "reward" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.Your fault. Even if it is (assuming you mean men's fault) it's still true. You saying you don't want to perceive it as true doesn't change that fact. Okay then maybe women should view male sexual attention as a reward for good behavior then and base their ego on that. Maybe? Not sure how this advances your point though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:41 AM |
| 2 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.No, you WISH it wasn't a reward but very clearly that's how a large number of men perceive it. It's just more comfortable to pretend otherwise because that removes any reason for you to consider women's culpability for the culture we all shape and are shaped by. Good luck convincing most men to stop caring about whether or not they get validation from women through attention and romantic interest. I suppose the idea of "winning" affection from women could lose sway if women weren't so judgementa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:32 AM |
| 3 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.Women seem to have a stronger propensity for conformity than men which can have social benefits but can also cause problems. I don't think it's a coincidence that women do so well and are increasingly favored in corporate environments compared to other professional settings. They seem generally much more amendable to adopting and then enforcing arbitrary norms based on current distributions of power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:29 AM |
| 4 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.But if it EVER benefits anybody, it benefits men and the people (women included) around that man who have access to his power, and even then, it’s only a small percentage of men who can get to the top of the system. So why don't you call it something that captures this better, like capitalist hegemony, instead of laying the blame on roughly 50% of the human population who you acknowledge mostly either don't benefit or are actively hurt by this arrangement? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.While it is a joke I do think this is a better way of going about dating… I think this is an antisocial, antihuman nightmare and trying to replace human intimacy with the rules that govern corporate interactions seems like literal hell to me. I don't have a nicer word to describe this than absolutely insane. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.My sweet summer child, do you think companies grow and outcompete each other by being net-goods for society, not by being more profitable? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:11 AM |
| 1 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.However rapist and murders do not have any identity markings on them so if women aren’t careful of everyone how can they protect themselves, their friends and their family? This fucking Carolyn Bryant-ass logic again... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/23 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.Even if we agree he's worse, how does that undermine OP's point? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 11:53 PM |
| 7 | Some trends women are involved in on social media contribute directly to toxic masculinity and justifies the manosphere’s existence.In a way I'm envious of people who can be so glaringly inconsistent but still completely confident in their own position. It must be so comfortable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadDepends on what you mean by "mental illness," but in most cases I'd be even more broad than that: experience shapes subjectivity, whether that's in a way that's negatively connotated (trauma, mental illness) or otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMmm, see I disagree. I think we don't really have a true, "innermost" self. I think our experiences shape our feelings and attitudes, and rationalizations come afterwards, regardless of what form they take. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 09:44 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWhat does that mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 09:34 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI'm about the age of one of the top commenters in there and I just have to say I'm terrified of what I'd have been like by now if I was still a virgin. The idea of not having had ANY kind of intimate external validation by now all else being equal is scary as hell. Andrew Tate would probably seem rational. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 09:14 AM |
| 1 | Purple pill women, why are you purple pill?Couldn't agree more | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 04:09 AM |
| 3 | What do you think of OnlyFans whales such as this one?I think the woman is doing nothing worse than most form of capitalism I agree but that bar is so low it's buried in Hell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 03:55 AM |
| 3 | Purple pill women, why are you purple pill?I'm convinced liberal feminism specifically is the beginning of a pipeline that can turn women into ardent bootstraps capitalists. Like OBVIOUSLY red pill stuff can lead a lot of men to horrible politics but I think the feminist-to-reactionary pipeline doesn't get enough attention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 03:13 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWell the hypocrisy angle I mentioned is what got me interested enough to read some of those threads and just see what was going on | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 03:09 AM |
| 5 | Staring vs glancingNow that it's been a few hours, do you really think this is something you wanted to say? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 02:32 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI think that's probably a little too convenient to be the whole story | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 01:28 AM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadIdeally someone isn't treating a long-term partner that way but I see it a lot in the chromosome sub, for example, where "fear" is used as a trump card in any sort of conflict even within a relationship and the commenters do nothing but encourage it. I just think it highlights a certain amount of hypocrisy around the validity of feeling hurt for being treated as the worst example of a person you could potentially be. Still not sure why it's suddenly become such a big topic though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 12:51 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI think it's mostly an overblown worry but I find it interesting how many women are deeply offended by the idea given how common it is for them to insist it's not just normal but perfectly justified to treat all men as Schrödinger's rapist/murderer. Edit: not to belabor the point but here's a perfect example | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/23 12:31 AM |
| 1 | A scenario of our world where men suddenly have less or no libidosMa'am, as a socialist I really wish this was true, but it's not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 07:23 PM |
| 2 | Success with women is influenced by the “observer effect”By physiologically normal I meant people with basically normal brains and bodies so we don't have to open the can of worms that is severe developmental disabilities. By subject, I meant a conscious, self-reflexive being with a theory of mind and capable of meta-cognition. So basically a person, as opposed to other animals that don't seem to have those qualities. Sorry for the clunky terminology. I'm just trying to capture something pretty specific, namely, what makes a person a person as opposed… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Success with women is influenced by the “observer effect”In a very specific sense I could agree with you, but in that sense the "erosion" process is literally what makes you a subject. The only physiologically normal people that could preserve that "natural confidence" would be feral children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Success with women is influenced by the “observer effect”Lol no worries. Hope you like linear algebra. Best of luck! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 05:10 AM |
| 1 | Success with women is influenced by the “observer effect”If that's how you want to phrase it, sure. "Insecurity" then is the default. Confidence comes from internal conviction and internal conviction comes from external validation. There's no "authentic" confidence without it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Success with women is influenced by the “observer effect”Not to say anything about the analogy but you've got it backwards. Observation collapses the superposition into a definite state. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 05:02 AM |
| 5 | Success with women is influenced by the “observer effect”"Loving yourself" prior to anything else is a myth. It's one of those super vague, "you know it when you see it" qualities that's perfect for validating the Just World fallacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 04:58 AM |
| 3 | Redpill ideology, when used actively to pursue women, puts someone in a similar mindset as a sexual predatorI mean, I could kind of see this. But if we're thinking in these terms, a lot of men arrive there in response to women treating human intimacy with the same cold, self-serving detachment as a capitalist economic predator. Hurt people hurt people, and so on... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 02:23 AM |
| 6 | It's honestly extremely based that society is just tearing apart at the seams and neolibs/bluepills are like "Hell yea man, products to consume"You'll barely ever find a neoliberal that calls themself a neoliberal. Ideological labels are quite often coined by critics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 02:06 AM |
| 1 | It's honestly extremely based that society is just tearing apart at the seams and neolibs/bluepills are like "Hell yea man, products to consume"I think this might be the most I've ever agreed with you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 01:50 AM |
| 7 | It's honestly extremely based that society is just tearing apart at the seams and neolibs/bluepills are like "Hell yea man, products to consume"People like that think they're self-actualized when really there's no such thing. They get validation from consumerism or climbing the social/economic hierarchy rather than personal relationships and they view it as superior because, deeply ironically, it's what's been shoved down their throats by their culture since the day they were born. A couple hundred years ago they'd have been devout Christians because it was the dominant cultural paradigm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Women, I have questionsHuh. Definitely sounds like... an idea | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Women, I have questionsHow did that even work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 01:24 AM |
| 2 | What would the ideal conditions for financial abortion look like?So how do you feel about education being funded by local property taxes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 12:21 AM |
| 3 | What would the ideal conditions for financial abortion look like?Makes way more sense than forcing us all to pay for a neo-imperialist war machine (which, ya know, is how things work already) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 12:12 AM |
| 1 | What would the ideal conditions for financial abortion look like?I think that makes way more sense, but I'm some kinda commie so I run up against doggedly individualist perspectives on a whole mess of topics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 12:11 AM |
| – | If you install dating apps on and off every couple of months, isn’t that an indication you actually want a relationship?Absolutely nothing, Andy. You look great 👍 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 12:07 AM |
| 1 | Women, I have questionsWere you a part of that red vs blue assassin game or whatever it was by any chance? The what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 11:58 PM |
| 3 | Doesn't it seem like these days men's perception of other men is getting better?I live in a college town and young men especially seem much more open with and supportive of each other than the conventional stereotype. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 11:48 PM |
| -1 | No, men are not "creating single moms"And, pull out even if you're wrapped up. Do not even jizz inside of her with a condom. LOL | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 11:32 PM |
| 2 | Does your insight into sexual dynamics apply to “most” or “nearly all?”To borrow your metaphor, treating all guns as loaded is more likely to get you shot, or result in you shooting someone. If you think this is true, I REALLY hope you don't own a gun... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 11:20 PM |
| – | If you install dating apps on and off every couple of months, isn’t that an indication you actually want a relationship?Lol the profile pic adds to it for me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 11:05 PM |
| 7 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingYeah that's about where I'm at too | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 07:32 PM |
| 2 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingIt's changed before. It can obviously change again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 07:15 PM |
| 15 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingHe might be, but like I said, I doubt that's a pill that will go down so smoothly for people who draw the shit end of the stick. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 07:00 PM |
| 3 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingI disagree on the grounds that people's wants don't come from some authentic core of their souls; they're largely culturally inculcated. At a cultural level, we could alter the average baseline desire without impacting what's generally considered free choice. Men's perception of women's body hair in Anglo societies in the last century or so provides a perfect example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:55 PM |
| 32 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingIn other words, it's real easy to say, "it is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose," while sitting in the Captain's chair, Jean-Luc. I doubt you'd be so sanguine about it after a life as the holodeck cum scrubber. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:50 PM |
| 8 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingI mean a foundational principle of all flavors of feminism (along with all other social movements) is, "if the game isn't fair, change it." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:42 PM |
| 2 | Most advice targeted at men here is to make them wait until they are too old to do anythingIronic username | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:34 PM |
| 4 | The best advice for men when it comes to dating and relationships is to stop chasing and approaching women.I actually think that's a decent analogy because it also highlights the issue. If everyone goes on strike, you can gain some leverage. If one person goes on strike, they're fired and replaced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:24 PM |
| 6 | What really changedFuck out of here with this "blatantly bad faith" bullshit when anyone and everyone keeps trying to make this about anything and everything other than the words he actually said and the words I actually said in response. This is blatant bad faith for a number of reasons, and one is that you want to try and pretend only the words you approve of can be used in an argument. How many men here have ever said the actual words, "I think women should be enslaved?" Because I bet you could count it on a ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:38 AM |
| 7 | What really changedWhere was antinatalism even mentioned, dude? "I'm an antinatalist." –you, right here Come on. This comment is just blatantly in bad faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:28 AM |
| 9 | What really changedI mean, you have stumbled on one of its consequences right here with this post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 06:17 AM |
| 40 | What really changedThis is the result of hyper-individualism dominating our culture. Really great for a market-oriented society that's terrified of social solidarity and non-transactional relationships. Really bad for, well, human beings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/23 12:03 AM |
| 3 | Do you agree with the following phrase? "Men protect their emotional sanctity the same way women protect their sexual sanctity?"Whatever you gotta tell yourself, bruh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 11:29 PM |
| 3 | Do you agree with the following phrase? "Men protect their emotional sanctity the same way women protect their sexual sanctity?"Even if I disagreed with that statement completely, at least they framed it as "most" whereas your tirades don't even have that much qualification and just go after men as an undifferentiated block. I consider your needlessly hostile, dismissive, aggressive responses here talking like a bully. Yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 11:25 PM |
| 3 | Do you agree with the following phrase? "Men protect their emotional sanctity the same way women protect their sexual sanctity?"If I went by how people tend to label themselves and behave in this sub, it would seem "emotionally mature adult" = bully | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 11:19 PM |
| 1 | If you frequently hook up, how do you keep oops babies from happening?Good to know. Although the women I've heard this from personally have said it's an actual difference in sensation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 10:27 PM |
| 6 | Is it true that women's standards for casual are higher than her standards for a relationship?That'sh where yurrong, kiddo! 🥴 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 08:31 PM |
| 3 | If you frequently hook up, how do you keep oops babies from happening?I've had multiple women tell me they like the feeling better without a condom too. Which surprised me a bit at first. I didn't think it would make much of a difference on that end but apparently it does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/23 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.Lol you're tellin me, friend | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 11:13 PM |
| 2 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.I appreciate the clarification because of how often I see emotionally charged but vague language weaponized around this topic to mean basically anything the speaker wants it to mean. I agree there are different ways of pursuing distractions where some are more or less likely to adversely affect others, and in general I consider it good to try and minimize those adverse external impacts. Where I'm not sure I'd agree is that self-soothing is independent of distraction, if that's what you meant to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.We might. I'm drawing mainly from a Lacanian perspective here, though I'm certainly not an expert. And I agree the intensity ebbs and flows with time and circumstance but ALL the things you and I are describing are just mechanisms for trying to reduce that sensation. For a variety of philosophical and political reasons, I don't think careerism, for example, is the best distraction to chase, but I can still empathize with why people, and particularly women who've been structurally locked out of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 10:39 PM |
| 0 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.I agree with the first but not the second point. It's not passing; it's fundamental. But that makes any sort of distraction from it equally meaningless in the final analysis. That's why I have a problem with framing some distractions as inherently better to pursue than others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 10:21 PM |
| 1 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.For some context, I read probably about 30-40 books a year and consume secondary media pretty much exclusively for the purpose of learning. I've been studying French for the last couple years. I love cooking, having started mainly with Italian and some French and recently trying to branch out into Indian. I do regular volunteer work for causes I consider meaningful. It's not like these are alien pursuits to me. But at the end of the day I don't consider them anything more than distractions from … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 10:09 PM |
| 1 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.Of course all those kinds of things occur to me. I said careerism and consumerism, didn't I? Why are they inherently more important than pursuing interpersonal connections (or "exploiting women" as you chose to phrase it)? Moreover, what makes them any different from that in the first place? It seems like those are only meaningful if you assign meaning to them, which is true of everything at the end of the day. So why do you assign meaning to those pursuits? It sounds to me like your mom is actu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 10:02 PM |
| 3 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.I'm more partial to trying to deconstruct the hierarchy rather than shuffle around the players filling particular slots which is why I tend to find much more value in anarchist/socialist feminism than liberal feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 09:00 PM |
| -1 | Women possess no empathy for men and should stop lying about it.And what are the "healthy" alternatives? Careerism? Consumerism? God? I'm not saying the values you're denigrating are unproblematic but I've yet to see anything other than subjective ideological claims for why alternatives are supposedly healthier, including the claim that "healthy" is something we ought, in a universal sense, to pursue in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 08:58 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: What are the subtle yet tell-tale signs of female attraction?They kind of run the gamut for me. From a whole day bar hopping around the city that eventually ended back at her place to coming over to my apartment to decorate a Christmas tree. I've had what were pretty clearly like hookup set-ups that didn't end up going anywhere though. I guess it's been mostly the ones where sex wasn't immediately implied but ended up happening anyway that transitioned into relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 07:00 PM |
| 0 | Q4M: What are the subtle yet tell-tale signs of female attraction?Really? More than half my medium to long-term relationships started with sex on the first date. Not exactly a giant sample, but still. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 06:54 PM |
| 11 | CMV: Most young guys struggle in dating because of the society and time we live in, not because of themselvesI meet a lot of women volunteering but for the most part they're AGGRESSIVELY hostile to the idea of a man approaching them in that space with anything like romantic intentions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 06:39 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Most young guys struggle in dating because of the society and time we live in, not because of themselvesbut you are also your own boss. No, the market is your boss and He's a ruthless motherfucker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 06:25 PM |
| – | Bluepill ideology really only works for those who have lived charmed livesI would imagine it's because they won't just stumble into people who find them attractive, and more than that, will probably face a lot of rejection while actively trying to meet people, and that'll force them to consider the larger, less savory dynamics of the game they're playing than someone who's more naturally equipped to succeed without a conscious strategy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/23 05:39 PM |
| 2 | Women will not feed a man's egoSelf-confidence comes from internal conviction but internal conviction comes from external validation. If you really think otherwise you've just deluded yourself into ignoring a privilege you enjoy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/23 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Suppose you're a libertarian / conservative / right-of-center dude in a coastal city. How are you supposed to date women?I do think it's kind of ironic that you talk about the religiosity of Marxist teleology while also preaching the inevitably of galactic-scale capitalism on future timescales of hundreds of thousands of years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/23 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Women are against the legalisation of prostitution because they want the "hoeflation" to continue, and are ok with men being miserable.Liberal feminists ARE "conservative" feminists. Marxist/anarchist feminists are the "progressive" ones. Rad fems I wouldn't necessarily call conservative. More just kind of generally reactionary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/23 02:57 AM |
| 1 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsOne of us seems to be whining more than the other here. It doesn't seem like there's much of anything I could say to change your mind so I doubt continuing to talk would do us any good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/23 12:25 AM |
| 3 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsNah that's some capitalist bullshit. If you have a job you're passionate about that actually makes the world better? Awesome. You're a rare one. If you just have a job to meet basic survival needs? Cool. If you've managed to figure out how to get by without a traditional job, let alone a career? Cool too. Where do you think your ideas of what "right things" are came from? It certainly didn't just emerge from an authentic self/soul. Perhaps what you think of as "right things" are at least as cult… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 11:48 PM |
| 1 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsAnd if you try to start friendships to see if you're compatible first they'll tell you you were being dishonest and manipulative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 11:44 PM |
| 2 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsLol tell me you don't mean Bumble, do you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 11:41 PM |
| 7 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsWhy would you approach someone in the first place if you didn't want them to take you up on it? And how am I supposed to "like" someone I'm just meeting? The point of the approach is to GET to know them and see if you might be compatible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 11:18 PM |
| 11 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsIf I try to "vet" much more than "is this woman willing to go on a date with me" I'll have half a dozen first dates by the time I'm 40. This is as disingenuous as telling someone struggling to find a job with adequate pay and benefits that they should vet companies better. Perhaps the problem is on the side with the majority of the leverage? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 11:12 PM |
| 11 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsI think they meant for that article to be an example of what "most try to suggest." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 10:33 PM |
| 10 | Most single lonely men are not struggling with women because they're old fashioned misogynistsOne: are they? If so, did they start off like that? Two: I don't care about Boomer couples. They met on another planet. Talk to me about people younger than, let's generously say, 35. And really under 30 is what I'm most interested in since it's where I fit and young people are the most likely indicators of where trends are going in the future. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 10:24 PM |
| 2 | What age does being a male virgin become a massive red flag?I feel like women's "sixth sense" mostly boils down to noticing superficial signifiers and placing them in their perceived social context. This means if you learn roughly what that social context is for them, you can front load your interactions with "good" signifiers (ways of dressing, speaking, moving, what you emphasize doing or thinking) and downplay or hide the "bad" ones. Is that maybe a little manipulative? Yeah. Does it work? Also yeah. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 08:37 PM |
| 9 | Are most men actually geared for romance or is it usually just a means to an end?What if everyone who hates getting stuck in traffic at commute time just left at a different time? Traffic wouldn't be an issue anymore, but only if everyone or almost everyone did that. Any one person trying to start just ends up screwing themself over and not changing anything. That's one of the reasons individual behavioral changes never work as solutions to systematic issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 08:20 AM |
| 8 | Are most men actually geared for romance or is it usually just a means to an end?...do they not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 05:55 AM |
| 4 | Are most men actually geared for romance or is it usually just a means to an end?I don't really see anyone in them yet, but men who talk something like positively about them seem more resigned to it than enthusiastic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 05:54 AM |
| 2 | Are most men actually geared for romance or is it usually just a means to an end?Hey, baby. Wanna rend the flesh from our bones and bare before one another the naked voids we call a "self?" 👉😎👉 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 04:57 AM |
| 5 | Are most men actually geared for romance or is it usually just a means to an end?I just finished reading several comments from women about how an AI chatbot could be just as fulfilling as a real partner since relationships are just a projection of an internal fantasy anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 04:49 AM |
| 23 | Are most men actually geared for romance or is it usually just a means to an end?This is like saying, "if retail workers thought they weren't being paid fairly, they'd make it a condition when seeking employment." Not everyone has the luxury of being so choosy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Men say they want one thing in women yet their actions say something else entirelyI think there's something to this. If I had to guess, I'd say the kinds of men who end up "successful" enough to be in this position are by and large capitalists, or at the very least deeply invested in capitalist ideology. The specifics of a "traditional woman" are pretty flexible to probably a lot of men, but especially this kind. I'd say the most important trait that underlies all the particulars, like being modest or religious, is submission. They want women that they have dominion over to p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/23 12:55 AM |
| 2 | why do you all take the manipulative arguments of the opposite sex so seriously?Unfortunately there is no God's eye view. We're all stuck in our perspectives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 07:47 PM |
| 1 | I think many men want single women to be miserable because it gives them a sense of importance.How about false positives? I could make a test that is guaranteed to never miss a single case of Covid, for example. The way it would work is: if test gets wet, return "positive." I'd catch every single case of Covid that way, but that's hardly an accurate test. How can you know you're not just feeding each other's biases and flagging a bunch of non-issues along with actual problems? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 07:38 PM |
| 0 | I think many men want single women to be miserable because it gives them a sense of importance.They can never fathom that having sex and/or a relationship doesnt solve all your problems. It’s more comforting to think everyone’s doing as bad instead of working hard to be better. You ever consider that maybe you've just ended up in a series of toxic relationships for whatever reason and need to downplay their value in general to feel less like a failure in that arena? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 07:22 PM |
| 4 | I think many men want single women to be miserable because it gives them a sense of importance.Sounds at least as likely that you just moved to an echo chamber that validates your beliefs. How would you tell the difference between that and what you're claiming? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 07:15 PM |
| 4 | I think many men want single women to be miserable because it gives them a sense of importance.when it’s clear that this doesn’t work. Otherwise, these guys wouldn't be single. Begging the question | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Where are men finding so many dysfunctional crappy women?Have you considered that living in a hyper-transactional, alienated society is the problem and that that society, rather than confronting and trying to alter that fact, is more content to drug you into conformity? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 06:57 PM |
| 2 | Where are men finding so many dysfunctional crappy women?I swear I've seen a study that showed this was true and the gap between male and female usage of apps was significantly smaller than any momentary population breakdowns would suggest, but I can't find it so 🤷♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 06:52 PM |
| – | What are the signs you notice from desperate people?I really can't imagine what it must feel like to just be constantly trying to read the absolute worst into total strangers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 08:22 AM |
| – | Women getting more attention is not inherently good for themSo some people should do things even if they have "no incentive to do so," but only for things you care about. Got it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 03:47 AM |
| – | Women getting more attention is not inherently good for themWell if this is your logic, I hope you've never argued that men should fight for women's liberation before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 03:37 AM |
| 3 | I'm a man and I'll say it. Women overall have it harder than men, ESPECIALLY in dating.I mean, to the extent this is true, it's hardly exclusive to men. Who uses the term pick-me's? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 03:01 AM |
| – | In your opinion, how important is status in dating?I'm into the Capitalism is immoral and evil type of women personally. Oof. It's a hell of a standard to try to maintain, isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 02:47 AM |
| – | In your opinion, how important is status in dating?Excuse me, are you insinuating some people's filters might be influenced by corporate propaganda and not just be the natural and obvious product of their own authentic self?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 02:45 AM |
| 1 | “80% of women date 20% of men” is BSI think so? As I understand it it's kind of just market logic applied to all human interaction where everyone seeks to maximize their own self-interest through whatever means they have available, with a little bit of evo psych story telling slapped on top. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/23 12:07 AM |
| 1 | “80% of women date 20% of men” is BSThey "settle" for the best they're offered. Which for the "top" women would be essentially all the men on the app. For the rest, it would be essentially all but the "top" men. And of course by "settle" I'm not saying they necessarily went out and got married. Here "settle" just means the men women are willing to message back. Unless it shows they were initiating at levels similar to men, which is why I wanted to know both whether that stat was about initial messages or responses and what percent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 10:46 PM |
| – | The Bottom LineAt the very least you'd need to have a real compelling reason for it. I can imagine cases where that's true but if it's anything like, "I don't know, that relationship just had a different vibe," nuh-uh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 08:47 PM |
| 1 | "Never compare yourself to her ex" but she definitely willDamn, what'd he do?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 08:34 PM |
| 0 | “80% of women date 20% of men” is BSExclusively? Because I could see pretty much all men shooting their shot at the "top" women, like I said, but I find it hard to believe 80% (or some big percentage) of women weren't receiving anything. My instinct would be that that means something like, "nearly 100% of men messaged the 'top' whatever percent of women, but only the 'lower' men reached out to the 'lower' women." Is there data on what percentage of each group received messages (and how many)? Also I'm assuming since you said OKC t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 08:15 PM |
| 1 | Rejection SensitivityAbsurdism is just stoicism with a party hat and both are easiest to adopt for people in positions of relative privilege. Why do you think the biggest names in the former are French intellectuals and in the latter it's the LITERAL EMPEROR OF ROME? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 07:56 PM |
| 1 | Rejection SensitivityTo remove once and for all the plausibility of the claim that women aren't all pining almost exclusively over the minority of the most conventionally attractive and wealthy men? Not sure what would happen from there but at least we'd all be on the same page about how reality currently works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 07:49 PM |
| 3 | “80% of women date 20% of men” is BSWell then I'd bet what happens is men overwhelmingly do the actual reaching out first, since that's how dating apps all seem to work. Even Bumble. The "top" men are only messaging "top" women. The rest of men are messaging all over the place. So the majority of women will have messages mostly from "mid" or "bottom" men from whom they select a few of the most desirable to message back. If we look at who initiates contact with who, I'd bet 1) women do the initiating far, far less and 2) they initi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 07:30 PM |
| 1 | “80% of women date 20% of men” is BSYa know philosophically this is the same problem as companies or universities with a relative monopoly on opportunity receiving a glut of applicants. Their selection criteria tend to become inflated to the point of absurdity. Some argue that setting a genuine minimum standard and then selecting randomly from the pool who meet that minimum is both a more fair and possibly even more effective means of making a selection. Michael Sandel, a philosophy and law professor at (I think) Harvard, talks ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 07:17 PM |
| 0 | “80% of women date 20% of men” is BSAre they sending first messages or responding to the ones men sent them first? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 06:54 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?This isn’t a virtue. It means your attraction is shallow and limited to physical attributes and you don’t care if you share common experiences, common values, and common goals. That's not even close to what that meant. Did you read any of the rest of my comment or just stop as soon as you saw something you could twist into an attack? I'll even help you out here: "I tend to find my own socioeconomic class more shallow, self-centered, and transactional than "lower" classes so I'm slightly disincli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Women's struggles in dating are in no way equal to that of menYou're right—I probably would. But the opposite isn't exactly a picnic either | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 07:10 AM |
| 2 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?Ugh, scroll down a bit. You're late to this part of the conversation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/23 01:00 AM |
| 3 | "Women dont put enough effort into making it work because they think there's always something better." "It's women's fault for staying in a crappy relationship."If they genuinely feel that way? Yeah, I'd say so. But I think it's much more common for women to exhibit and promote amongst each other the attitude that guy is talking about than it is for men to advocate cheating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 11:02 PM |
| 2 | Women's struggles in dating are in no way equal to that of menI do at least think I can empathize with that. But it seems to me like we're all looking for a healthy meal. Worst case scenario for a typical woman is she has to make do with a kitchen full of junk food. Worst case scenario for a typical man is there's no food in the house. It's hard for me not to view the latter as the worse position to be in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 10:54 PM |
| 1 | Women's struggles in dating are in no way equal to that of menI specifically said I think that would be frustrating if it's all you experience. I certainly wouldn't find it completely fulfilling. But it seems just as obviously preferable to radio silence. It's hardly like there's solidarity for that anyway. The closest to that most guys can find is spaces like this where the social stigma against even seeking that kind of solidarity compels most of them to remain anonymous. Even here I'd say you're just as likely to be called an incel loser as to experienc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 10:46 PM |
| 10 | Women's struggles in dating are in no way equal to that of menModern feminism essentially manufactures consent for female exploitation and subjugation by patriarchy capitalism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 10:34 PM |
| 2 | Women's struggles in dating are in no way equal to that of menI can see how this would be frustrating if it's all you experience. But man would I love to be fetishized as a sexual object at least every now and then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 10:28 PM |
| 2 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?That's fair, I think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?If one person, for whatever reason, feels an activity is less important than the other does, that gives them the capacity to leverage it against their partner. In the example I gave, I'd say the man is "weaponizing" his greater comfort going without a certain activity to influence his partner. I'd say the same is true of women (or anyone, really) using access to sex to influence their partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 09:58 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?What that sounds like to me is you'd have to admit your preferences do indeed filter out the vast majority of men. Something men here regularly contend and women here tend to insist is not true. Or at least not any more true than it is for men. To use myself as an example, I don't use socioeconomic class as anything like an important filter when determining if I find someone attractive or not. At best it's one of many very rough heuristics I use to guess how well I'll get along with someone, but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 09:53 PM |
| 1 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?Nope. One, no one mentioned kids. You're adding them to change the dynamic in question. Two, your definition of what is or isn't necessary for a "functioning household" is subjective. I specifically said the man might consider these less essential than the woman in this scenario rather than completely unnecessary in anticipation of this argument. The point is he might not consider certain activities as essential as she would, which is a fair analogy for her not finding sex as essential as he doe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 09:47 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?You're trying frame a preference as something other than a preference. I'll ask you what I asked that other person I first thought was you: why do you seem so reluctant to admit that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 09:14 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?It's silly to list it as something outside of your preferences. It allows you to inflate the percentage of people you claim to be attracted to by preemptively removing entire blocks of people from consideration when that removal in itself constitutes a preference filter. An example of similar unsound reasoning: | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 08:55 PM |
| -1 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?That might not be my favorite activity, but plenty of other things like cooking or or organizing a space I do. Since it seems like you're trying to invalidate my analogy by insinuating that sex is fundamentally different than what I'm talking about, I'll say that your floor mopping analogy would be better seen as an analogy for a particular sex act you might not particularly enjoy rather than sex as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 08:51 PM |
| -1 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?I mean, when I'm feeling loved and supported doing work to maintain the environment or the relationship doesn't feel like a burden either. It's something I want to do. I just wanted to know if a man stopping something they typically want less than the woman in a relationship (since women seem typically to be less driven towards sex than men, as plenty of women in this sub admit) if he's upset would be ok with the person I was responding to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 08:21 PM |
| -2 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?Irrelevant ad hominem. Try again, lazy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:29 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?My "assertion" was that socioeconomic status was a factor in attraction for the person I was replying to which is not false. The question was why they'd choose to frame it as something other than that when it's clearly listed for them as a prerequisite for attraction (or at least actionable attraction before you try to be a pedant about that). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:26 PM |
| 2 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?You're right. I thought you were the first person I was responding to. In that case your first response was irrelevant. I asked the person I was talking to about their stated preference. Why did you feel the need to insert a complete non sequitur about your own preferences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 07:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV: the Blue Pill/Beta Bux strategy is the best strategy for the vast majority of menPeople in privileged positions have the luxury of winging it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 06:58 PM |
| 0 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?To you, it does. Why are you seemingly so reluctant to admit that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 06:44 PM |
| -3 | Why alot women use sex in long term relationships like “weapon”?So how would you feel about a man, for example, choosing to not participate in or wildly cutback on household chores like cooking, cleaning, maintenance, etc. because his anger made him not want to provide that? If he's content with that, would you tell the woman she just needs to accept that he's not emotionally inclined towards engaging in those activities while in that state? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 06:43 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of men attract you? What is your opinion of the men who don't attract you?and within my socio-economic class Well that seems like a silly thing to not count as a factor in your attraction. I assume if we did so, your stated ~6-20% attraction rate would be lower? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 06:02 PM |
| 2 | why do people act like it’s so hard to sexually please women?Good, Giving, Game. Basically: I know how to make sure you enjoy yourself, I care about making that happen, and I'm (within reason) down to try whatever | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 09:39 AM |
| 2 | why do people act like it’s so hard to sexually please women?Oh I'm sure there are but I'm pretty sure based on my usage at least that they're the ones who aren't swiping, not me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 04:59 AM |
| 8 | why do people act like it’s so hard to sexually please women?There's no easy way to know if a man knows what he's doing (or cares) before actually trying with him. But most women use proxies like attractiveness or dancing ability to try and figure out who will be good at sex. I've said this before, and it's really not meant as a brag, but every partner I've ever had has came, even one-off hookups. I spent a ton of time studying what to do as an insecure teenage virgin so I had the basic ideas down by the first time, and experience has helped even more fro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/23 12:01 AM |
| 2 | " If sex is water, women have to survive on the ocean, men in the desert." this is worst attempt at equalizing men and women's issues in datingIt's why I generally use a lake in this analogy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 11:49 PM |
| 1 | " If sex is water, women have to survive on the ocean, men in the desert." this is worst attempt at equalizing men and women's issues in datingPeople used to abundance in any context tend to take it for granted. That doesn't make their perspective inherently more valid than the perspectives of those used to lack. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 11:47 PM |
| 1 | CMV: You can still act entitled without saying you feel entitled.I agree but I see many women pushing to embrace if not celebrate romantic relationships as purely transactional. Obviously #NotAllWomen but certainly more than men. The men who take that same stance seem to me like they've usually arrived there as a regrettable, "fuck it" conclusion rather than something they choose to enthusiastically embrace. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 11:36 PM |
| 4 | CMV: You can still act entitled without saying you feel entitled.Entitlement is a term almost exclusively deployed by privileged people who want to feel morally righteous about defending their privileged status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Does demonization of sexuality affect you?Quite easy to say something like that when you had no intention of actually entertaining the idea in the first place. And if you remember from when we had this conversation, the OP deliberately tried to preempt this way of weaseling around the issue by stipulating that the woman says she has a boyfriend after taking the drink. If you're not genuinely interested in at least giving the interaction an honest shot, you say, "no thanks," to the guy offering to buy you a drink. Anything else is just d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 05:26 PM |
| 1 | Does demonization of sexuality affect you?Generally by having a super high-sensitivity filter (called plenty of things like women's intuition, trusting your gut, feeling the ick, etc.) that also gives a ton of false positives, but when you're operating from a position of abundance, the negative effects of an overly stringent filter are less impactful. This is one of the reasons men generally don't filter as stringently as women. They have more of a structural imperative to try and develop only essential filters that don't return so many… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 05:05 PM |
| 7 | Does demonization of sexuality affect you?Zoomers talk more about sexual identity than any other generation but also seem to demonize sex in a way that'd make even their grandparents roll their eyes. It's... weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 05:01 PM |
| 0 | Does demonization of sexuality affect you?Social convention requires basic manners, people who ignore social convention are creepy. Unless the social convention they're ignoring is "a male stranger offering to buy me a drink in a bar is asking if I'd be into testing for a romantic connection" apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Do a subset of individuals "ruin" things for women as a whole?Agreed. Just wanted to preempt that response. May've been jumping the gun, but it feels like a reaction I'd expect from some people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 03:53 PM |
| 3 | Why do men feel entitled to romance and or intimacy?It's a basic requirement for living a fulfilled life. I believe all people deserve to live a fulfilled life. The world has always worked such that plenty of people don't get what they deserve. One approach to that is to continually try and build a world, politically, economically, and socially, where more people get what they deserve. Another approach is to reject the idea that all people deserve to live a fulfilled life so that the fact many people don't stops being a problem. I think the most … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 07:10 AM |
| 1 | are women doing okay?Man even I can make a better argument against communism than this. Some of y'all are really just brainwashed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/23 05:33 AM |
| 2 | Undesirable people today are treated as poor working people in Victorian timesRadical liberal feminists hate trans people. Leftist feminists informed more by Marxist/anarchist traditions are some of their most consistent supporters. Please don't mix these groups up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 11:30 PM |
| 3 | Undesirable people today are treated as poor working people in Victorian timesBased and Foucault-pilled | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Undesirable people today are treated as poor working people in Victorian timesIt doesn't have to be an underclass. Any out-group works just fine. I propose landlords and capitalists rather than, for example, falling into the trap of thinking your 50% of the entire human population is the good one and the other 50% of the entire human population is the bad one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 11:27 PM |
| 0 | are women doing okay?You do realize that you can quit your job whenever you want? YOU do realize this is entirely dependent on material security and economic leverage, both things that are wildly unevenly distributed among the global population, right? Do you think all those teenage girls making cheap H&M clothes for cents an hour in some sweatshop are just making a perfectly free choice to do that? This is only "voluntary" in the pernicious, capitalist sense of the word which I ardently reject. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 11:20 PM |
| 1 | are women doing okay?I mean, I didn't comment on the other stuff. Just literally that the idea of "economic rights" pushed by organizations like the World Bank, the IMF, the Heritage Foundation, etc. are not objective measures of well-being but proxies for the friendliness of certain countries or regions to the influence of capital, particularly Western capital. This is orthogonal to the gender issue, in my opinion, which I tried to make clear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 11:17 PM |
| 1 | are women doing okay?The world bank's definition of "economic rights" shouldn't be taken seriously regardless of the gender involved. They're a politico-economic institution pushing an ideological agenda. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 11:05 PM |
| 1 | are women doing okay?Just your boss. And the bank. The definition of capitalist freedom. The same "freedom" women spending all day peeling garlic in India or working in a Bangladeshi sweatshop as a teenager have been given too! The only people who consider this kind of "freedom" the pinnacle of human achievement are the wildly privileged minority. Miss me with this Sheryl Sandberg nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 10:56 PM |
| 2 | Do a subset of individuals "ruin" things for women as a whole?If the genders were swapped here, no matter what the specifics, I'm almost certain men saying they need to raise girls to believe certain things men want them to believe would be decried as grooming. I think that's a bit unfair no matter the genders, but there's a double standard here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 10:44 PM |
| – | The thing women don't understand is that there are millions of eligible women out there and a lot of guys can't get ONE (1) girlfriend.It seems like a common but usually unstated assumption straight women, especially in spaces like this, have is that only men have potentially problematic, socially conditioned attitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 07:50 PM |
| – | The thing women don't understand is that there are millions of eligible women out there and a lot of guys can't get ONE (1) girlfriend.No, it's implying that they expect certain people on this sub (and frankly you're a prime example) to try and find the most uncharitable possible interpretation of anything they say and throw it back at them as if that interpretation is the absolute truth in order to avoid engaging whatever the actual point was in good faith. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 07:41 PM |
| – | The thing women don't understand is that there are millions of eligible women out there and a lot of guys can't get ONE (1) girlfriend.The addition of the word "decent" is doing an Atlasian amount of heavy lifting in your attempt to create a parallel argument here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 07:35 PM |
| – | The thing women don't understand is that there are millions of eligible women out there and a lot of guys can't get ONE (1) girlfriend.I'm pretty sure I've answered this exact question for you before. Also seeing how you respond to others here when asking this same thing over and over doesn't exactly make me feel like trying to relitigate the issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 06:27 PM |
| – | The thing women don't understand is that there are millions of eligible women out there and a lot of guys can't get ONE (1) girlfriend.The women's movement is far, FAR better received and supported than the labor movement. Likely in large part because the former doesn't pose a fundamental threat to the domination of capital while the latter does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 05:58 PM |
| – | The thing women don't understand is that there are millions of eligible women out there and a lot of guys can't get ONE (1) girlfriend.There's so much social stigma in this area that the only people able to do that en masse are the ones who generally don't care about social pressure. So the groups that emerge which even pay lip service to these causes end up looking like the fucking Proud Boys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 05:55 PM |
| – | The thing women don't understand is that there are millions of eligible women out there and a lot of guys can't get ONE (1) girlfriend.It's like saying, "oh, you think everyone ought to be entitled to medical care? Well the only solution to that is to chain a doctor to every random person and FORCE them to provide care against their will." No, that's lazy, right-wing fear mongering. There are plenty of ways to approach that goal that don't involve just ham-fisted draconianism. But for people who secretly just don't believe in the goal, leaning into hyperbole and paranoia about possible ways of achieving it is usually more socia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 05:44 PM |
| 5 | Where are the impartial women?Ehh, I've run into a few having random conversations here. They seem to be a minority, but they're there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 05:31 PM |
| 1 | Better Bachelor’s audience is absolutely insaneI disagree here. In my opinion that's a wild reach in this situation. I think this is a valid way to examine a lot of mass shooters, for example, but unless you've got more info on this guy than I do, I don't think it's the most relevant factor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/23 05:22 PM |
| 2 | Is she a tease or are your feelings just hurt?Having talked to you before I'm not surprised you don't understand the idea of a social convention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 11:03 PM |
| 0 | Is she a tease or are your feelings just hurt?I... just said I don't? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 11:00 PM |
| 3 | Is she a tease or are your feelings just hurt?I don't offer to buy women drinks because I know how many think like this and will pretend to be ignorant of the social convention in order to get free stuff then fall back on, "well TECHNICALLY I'm not OBLIGATED to offer you anything in return." You're not. But you understand the basic social convention at play. You're just pretending not to so you can be selfish without feeling bad about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 10:13 PM |
| 1 | PPD 2023 DEMOGRAPHICS SURVEYRight?? Where's my communism option?! The different scales they tried to use don't map that well onto anything outside the liberal capitalist paradigm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 07:38 PM |
| 1 | Better Bachelor’s audience is absolutely insaneI mean, if you look at my comments in this sub I'm definitely much closer to "team man" than "team woman." I at least somewhat agree with most of what you're saying here. But do you really think that's the best way to analyze THIS particular incident? A right-wing, American lawyer living in an American colony killing two MALE protesters against predatory and environmentally destructive commercial extraction by sitting down on a road? I just don't think in THIS particular case gender dynamics and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 06:27 PM |
| 0 | Better Bachelor’s audience is absolutely insaneI really don't think gender is the best lens from which to examine violent reactions to climate activism. This thread and the original one in question both feel like they're trying to force gender as the primary issue when it really isn't here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 05:51 PM |
| 1 | Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion?I mostly agree with you here but I still think you're being a bit too harsh on people. I think all else being equal, people want to be "good" to each other, at least to the extent that we can pin that term down. I think providing the structural environment where all else is equal is the hardest part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 06:52 AM |
| – | People should get off dating apps because they are designed to keep you singleSounds like about as informed a take as Jordan Peterson had in his debate with Slavoj Zizek. His only source was the Manifesto too! You should at least read Capital if you think Marx was sparse on details. I'm sure you won't, but it still seems clear to me your opinion of 'communism' is based on simplifications and misinterpretations more than what communists actually say. Hell, you want a better critique of Marx than any of this lazy, right-wing nonsense? Look up the Okishio theorem, a theoreti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 03:54 AM |
| – | People should get off dating apps because they are designed to keep you singleA wildly exaggerated statistic that's been disavowed even by its authors at this point. Lol if your next source is that populist pamphlet then I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about dialectical and historical materialism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 03:27 AM |
| – | People should get off dating apps because they are designed to keep you singleLol citing those Black Book numbers is a great way to convince me I don't need to take you seriously. Like, there are critics of communism I have to begrudgingly acknowledge as serious, but you're clearly not one of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/23 01:09 AM |
| – | People should get off dating apps because they are designed to keep you singleUgh, this sub really needs a "capitalism simp" flair so I know who to try engaging with and who trying with will be just a waste of time. Capitalist "innovation" looks like these psyche-destroying, data-sucking platforms. I think the world has more than enough of that already. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 11:34 PM |
| – | People should get off dating apps because they are designed to keep you singleJust nationalize the apps and make matching algorithms completely open to public scrutiny. The profit motive shouldn't be allowed within 500 yards of trying to provide people with the opportunity to form intimate relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 10:49 PM |
| 0 | A woman wanting her man to be emotionally vulnerable is selfish."If you keep getting stuck in lousy, exploitative jobs, just learn to find better ones!" When I said please don't follow this up with some dismissive cliché, this was pretty much what I meant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 10:32 PM |
| 0 | A woman wanting her man to be emotionally vulnerable is selfish.Man, I used to be way more open with my emotions than I am now. It's experiencing exactly what OP's describing multiple times that made me feel the need to be more emotionally guarded with women I date. I don't LIKE being like that. It's a position I've felt compelled into by my dating experiences. Maybe some men convince themselves that they just naturally want to be stoic rocks, but I think most know at some level it's a painful but unfortunately necessary defense mechanism if you don't want t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 10:13 PM |
| 2 | Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion?By all means, if you want to explain why you think my analogy is unfair, go ahead. I don't consider, "well one is more important in my mind than the other, therefore the 'losers' should only be allowed to participate in one conversation," a valid criticism. And trying to pathologize anyone who disagrees with you has to be the laziest, most disingenuous rhetorical hail Mary I so often see liberals fall back on when they don't want to or can't offer a solid counter-argument. If you're going to pul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 09:37 PM |
| 0 | Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion?Only argument needed is to look at the average level of posting here to understand that some people need friends, hobbies and perhaps therapy instead of trying to theorize about dating. "Only argument you need to know the poor shouldn't be weighing in on economic policy is to see how bad they are at managing money, acquiring skills, and applying themselves. They should probably be going to school or learning a trade instead of trying to theorize about economics." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 09:30 PM |
| 0 | Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion?Most of the people you're talking about do or have "participated" in dating, just to a lesser extent than the most successful. But that's just as true as the poor versus the rich in the economy, and indeed you'll find elitist arguments that hinge on that very fact to justify dismissing the economic opinions of the less financially successful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 09:27 PM |
| 2 | Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion?Do you think humans are just doomed to be like that or do you think structures like political, economic, and cultural institutions can be a driving influence on that behavior? I'm partial to the second explanation at least in part because it offers the possibility of making things better. Less idealistically, it also helps explain why there are still genuinely wonderful human beings out there, even if they're a minority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion?I said schadenfreude-adjacent. I don't think there's a word for it. It's that "it's not just you" feeling. Catharsis? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 09:17 PM |
| 0 | Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion?That's like saying poor people shouldn't be allowed to participate in conversations about the economy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 09:08 PM |
| 1 | If you don't have a big social circle, are you basically fucked when it comes to dating?Do you not feel like being asexual might be a relevant factor to mention here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 06:46 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.I got banned from that sub after posting frankly more mild comments than I generally do here. When I told the mod I disagreed with their rationale for the temporary ban, they just decided to make it a permanent ban. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 06:39 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t hate men being vulnerable. These men claiming so just don’t know how to act like adults or date emotionally unavailable women.no, bro, you actually have to do the hard work of introspection and hold men accountable, and if you can't do that then we won't have our movement. You're trying to use feminism as a model here but do you think this at all describes what feminist movements have centered on and how they've grown and gained power? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 06:37 PM |
| 1 | More men should consider taking antidepressantsIf this were genuinely true, I'd rather become a terrorist than drug myself into tolerating participating in a society that naturally and unchangeably despises me simply for existing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 06:13 PM |
| 1 | More men should consider taking antidepressantsI basically agree with this description, but aren't these all the things Blue Pill ultimately says give men "value" too? Blue Pill just tries to also convince you that if you just want to be lazy and ignored that's ok and valid too. Both at least imply that social acceptance is contingent on living up to social expectations, which at least for men is generally centered around various aspects of material "success." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 06:02 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: What are some feminist views you hold?*liberal feminists | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 05:54 PM |
| 6 | If you don't have a big social circle, are you basically fucked when it comes to dating?I love how y’all are just trying to rip every detail of my life apart: Not approached? Yeah but did you go to parties? Give guys fuck eyes? Do you look at your phone while in public??? What are you wearing? How many dudes did you ask out? I understand how shitty this feels because it's how almost every woman and quite a few men respond any time a man says he has any problems with dating or finding a relationship. I think some guys are probably reflexively recreating that dynamic, almost out of a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 05:17 PM |
| 2 | If you don't have a big social circle, are you basically fucked when it comes to dating?Oh did get asked out several times in high school though….as a joke and the jocks would run away laughing because “lol ugly goth freak!” I had a group of "friends" contrive a whole fake scenario about a "secret admirer" when I was in middle school, including fake messages and everything! When it came out that the whole thing was a trick I was deeply embarrassed and hurt and still feel a bit traumatized by the experience to this day. I'm sorry you had to go through something like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/23 05:13 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsFailure to understand these sorts of things usually is considered off putting, socially. I don't appreciate this undertone I've seen in a lot of your comments that anyone who has some different ideas or ways of seeing the world than you must be socially inept and need to have something so basic as this pointed out. It's especially ironic to read that though right after you finish saying: You don’t have to understand why something makes someone unhappy. Just knowing it makes them unhappy should b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior.I'm not quite sure we disagree here. For example, I'd agree with your last statement, but going with that as an analogy, women ought to be cautious around men who come from abusive or violent situations, or have a history of violent behavior themselves, but generalizing that to "all men are dangerous" is essentializing violence or abuse as an inherent male trait instead of considering "the environment and situation necessary to facilitate that kind of crime." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 07:40 PM |
| 2 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsNo, people usually don’t like hearing about depressing topics like death or the world ending because it’s depressing and anxiety inducing. This is a semantically meaningless statement. "It's depressing because it's depressing." I don't find those topics depressing. I find people's aggressive refusal to engage with them most of the time much more depressing. Maybe you ought to consider why engagement with reality is automatically "depressing and anxiety inducing" for you? No one likes to listen t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 07:33 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsBruh literally pulled the "it's about finding that balance" meme so he had something to say in the meeting | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 07:10 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsSecond question? Yeah, pretty much. First question? They could, but more likely hearing something out loud that they sort of already feel but are too uncertain or scared to admit makes them uncomfortable. It's like conversations about spiraling climate change or the inevitability of death. Most people avoid them not because the points are silly, but precisely because they're GOOD points that call a lot of their basic attitudes and practices into question. And that's more introspection and reflec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 07:06 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsI disagree with a lot of how you're framing this, but I think there's something to your last paragraph. I've been surprised at how generally well my commie-flavored comments have been received here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 06:53 PM |
| 0 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsApply this logic to literally any other social issue, I dare you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 06:41 PM |
| 1 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsHustling is toxic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 06:37 PM |
| 2 | "Just work on yourself bro, your career and hobbies bro!" Mfs acting like being a wage slave and consooming products replaces actual bonds of love and companionship with other human beingsDad from Fairly Odd Parents voice: "And this is where I'd put my free award, IF I HAD ONE!!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/23 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Are both the redpill and pinkpill/feminism deliberate psyops to demoralize the population and cause distrust?The REAL psy-op is the platforms that drive people to this kind of behavior | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 08:38 PM |
| 1 | Are both the redpill and pinkpill/feminism deliberate psyops to demoralize the population and cause distrust?I think it's a bit overly binary to consider one of these groups entirely made up of grifters and the other devoid of them. For a classic example of grift in the women's liberation movement, look up Edward Bernays and the "Torches of Freedom" campaign | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 08:36 PM |
| 2 | What exactly does it mean to be a "modern day woman," and what kind of alternative women does the RP community prefer?Being raised by capitalist propaganda doesn't tend to instill you with "genuine" wants. This point seems well enough understood when applied to how porn affects men's physical preferences. But women (like most people, frankly) don't want to admit their attitudes are also shaped by forces beyond their control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 08:01 PM |
| 11 | Women are extremely selective and that's okay.And like most examples of this dynamic, the advantaged party does nothing but preach individualist, capitalist-style rhetoric. Anarchist/communist/Marxist feminists are the only ones worth listening to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 07:50 PM |
| 2 | Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior.Man, as soon as you get Europeans to crack it's just a flood... Y'all are worse than fucking Americans. My point in bringing up those stats isn't that they're just lies or something. It's that how you interpret them makes a difference and you seem to be following the well-trodden reactionary path of letting paranoia drive your interpretation of the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 10:37 AM |
| 1 | Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior.Well I'd say that's a dangerously essentialist way to think. Maybe not quite as far gone but certainly along the same path as the, "black people are only 13% of the population but commit 52% of violent crimes—CuRiOuS," dudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 10:10 AM |
| 5 | Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior.Well, you swerved to avoid my point but seem to have slid into it anyway | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 10:06 AM |
| 1 | Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior.I'm gonna take a WILD stab in the dark here: do you think pitbulls should be treated as inherently more dangerous than other dog breeds? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/23 08:33 AM |
| – | I feel like 80% of back and forth on here is this: A lot guys think their dating/relationship issues require drastic societal action or even government intervention while the other side argues it doesn't and should be their personal responsibility.I don't think it's a coincidence that the feminists I've found myself most agreeing with have been Marxist feminists like Silvia Federici. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Men are infantilised at least as much as women in modern discourseIn his view this is the role the therapist needs to take on if it has been otherwise absent in a person’s life. What a sad, sad world where human intimacy and connection are nothing more than simulacra, reduced to performative commodities to be bought and sold. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 10:11 PM |
| 2 | Men are infantilised at least as much as women in modern discourseMan I really hope y'all see through the capitalism game before we boil the planet and ring in WWIII... Men got started with it first, of course, and a lot are becoming disillusioned with its false promises. Seems like a lot of women are still in the honeymoon phase, unfortunately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 10:00 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadMy dear, have you ever considered anarchism? You get to be a petty criminal but for a good cause! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 07:17 PM |
| 0 | Q4A, on preselection by men: Where exactly can a 25+yo man find a 25+yo woman who is both of a good character AND single?Further, I think most secular-identifying liberals are closer to authentic Christians than most self-identified Christians in the US these days. Make of that what you will | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/23 09:01 AM |
| 2 | Are women too big of troopers when it comes to being rejected?Lol damn, I love women like this. And I generally just need that "go!" signal (and maybe like one drink) to flip on the extrovert switch. It's why I find it so frustrating when I hear women say, "you just need to pay attention to their body language and if they're receptive you can approach them." Like, I do! It's just 98% of the time they're all SCREAMING "leave me the f alone" with their bodies. Women who'll at least get the ball rolling are great in my experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/23 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Is money really that important when it comes to relationships?There’s always a better way to make money than to wage slave. This is literally, structurally not true for the majority of people or the global economy would cease to function. But it IS a common trope generally privileged people with a deeply ingrained capitalist mindset like to toss out because admitting that most humans in the currently dominant economic paradigm are and indeed MUST BE used as disposable instruments would make supporting that paradigm seem kind of monstrous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/23 07:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: You can dominate a woman and be masculine without being meanOf course they're not the same thing. That's why I said "like." The point was about the compatibility of different personalities or preferences which applies to both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 05:49 PM |
| 1 | CMV: You can dominate a woman and be masculine without being meanI'm a switch | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 04:51 PM |
| 1 | CMV: You can dominate a woman and be masculine without being meanThis is like saying if you're a dom who's looking for a relationship with a sub you should REALLY be trying to find another dom to "break" or else you can't really call yourself a dom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 04:45 PM |
| 2 | The biggest lie of womenI'm sure. Even Jeff Bezos could probably tell you all about how taxing and stressful his life and work are. But frankly if you're even considering "scraping up the right comp package" you're already dealing with the top of the overall economic pyramid. The vast, vast majority of people in the world get offered a standard (usually thoroughly underwhelming) package that they accept or one of the dozens of other desperate applicants will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 04:37 PM |
| 2 | The biggest lie of womenI actually like this analogy because employers enjoy an overwhelming advantage in this dance but will go to the ends of the Earth to insist you and they are simply two independent parties coming to a free, mutually beneficial arrangement without any disparities in power influencing the outcome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 04:25 PM |
| 5 | CMV Women don‘t hate nice guys, women hate men without a spine.I don't completely agree but this description is funny as hell | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 04:11 PM |
| 5 | The quality of women’s dating app profiles in Europe is far superior to the profiles of women in USA.It's the birthplace of liberalism and capitalist imperialism. English common law is the basis of the American legal system. What criteria are you basing your assessment on? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 12:32 AM |
| 6 | The quality of women’s dating app profiles in Europe is far superior to the profiles of women in USA.Well I hope English isn't your native language because it seems like you've got a very limited, physical conception of what the word "closer" means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 12:30 AM |
| 3 | The quality of women’s dating app profiles in Europe is far superior to the profiles of women in USA.I mean if you wanna be annoying about it, Eurasia is clearly a continent. The separation between Europe and Asia is far more a cultural/political than a geographic one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 12:28 AM |
| 5 | The quality of women’s dating app profiles in Europe is far superior to the profiles of women in USA.As an American who's been to Europe, I think it's closer to us than to its neighbors across the channel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/23 12:26 AM |
| 6 | The quality of women’s dating app profiles in Europe is far superior to the profiles of women in USA.Shhhh, your island decided it isn't Europe anymore. You don't get to talk like you're part of it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/23 11:51 PM |
| 39 | The quality of women’s dating app profiles in Europe is far superior to the profiles of women in USA.I literally gave up on Bumble because of this. It's just as dead for men as any other apps, with all the expectation to lead and woo still placed on them, but with all these added hurdles in the way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/23 11:49 PM |
| – | The reality of dating for menI have basically no issue starting random conversations with Boomers but people my age just don't do public interactions with strangers anywhere near as much. Or if they do engage, it'll be superficial and quick and definitely won't lead to any lasting connection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/23 01:24 AM |
| 4 | If sex is water, women have to survive on the ocean, men in the desert.A distinction without a difference | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/23 12:25 AM |
| 1 | It doesn’t matter how interested a girl is, they can and will lose interest at the drop of a hat over the most minor thing or sometimes nothing at all. This is the biggest problem in dating that doesn’t receive nearly enough attention.Hmm. I'm in the Bay Area | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 09:52 AM |
| 1 | It doesn’t matter how interested a girl is, they can and will lose interest at the drop of a hat over the most minor thing or sometimes nothing at all. This is the biggest problem in dating that doesn’t receive nearly enough attention.Where do you live? I hear this sometimes and really don't understand unless maybe it's a regional difference. I know "ugly husband with hot wife" is a TV trope, but if I see "unbalanced" couples around me generally the man is more attractive. At least when looking at people vaguely my own age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/23 08:35 AM |
| 0 | Radical individualism is what is making dating so hard for everyone nowadaysSo you're looking for men you expect to have more leverage over so that you'll be better able to influence them? How does that not mirror the exact predatory logic many women accuse men of—especially, for example, men who date women considerably younger than them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/23 10:33 AM |
| 0 | Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous.If someone didn't care at all about anything I've done or put work into I'd probably be upset by that. But my point is that professional or financial achievements aren't treated as necessary for women to nearly the same degree as they are for men. Which also doesn't mean men all want stupid or helpless women. I know plenty of bartenders and baristas who I consider smarter than folks I know with graduate degrees—and they usually have less debt too! It's less that financial and professional achiev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 10:06 PM |
| -3 | Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous.That's simply not true in actual social reality. At least not symmetrically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 08:50 PM |
| 0 | Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous.I didn't like how they phrased that either. But I think a more charitable reading that I think has some validity might be something like: "Women are held to much less rigorous material expectations than men. A woman that just has a car and can drive herself places but nothing else materially going for her probably won't have that counted against her by most men. For men, however, all the things OP described having himself tend to be considered just an element of the bare minimum." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 08:19 PM |
| 2 | Girls have zero empathy for guys and male lonliness.The part where you're avoiding my point. But in case you really have just been missing it, I'll be direct: do you identify as some kind of communist or anarchist? If not then you're definitely being at least a bit of a hypocrite focusing only on a particular branch of labor exploitation that feels relevant to you. Which would make you bringing up homeless and poverty pretty ironic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 08:03 PM |
| 2 | Girls have zero empathy for guys and male lonliness.So are you trying to say without saying that you reject the general framework of uncompensated labor and just make a special exception for this type because it feels relevant to you? Because if not I don't know why you're arguing with me since I said I think it's an idea with some validity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 07:12 PM |
| 1 | How much would a month of "be the other sex" for everyone change the game.Lol keep telling yourself you don't have a framework | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 06:50 PM |
| 1 | Girls have zero empathy for guys and male lonliness.Well it seems like you missed the first part of my comment. I told you I think there's some merit to the idea of emotional labor, and uncompensated emotional labor at that. But that idea literally grew out of the idea of uncompensated labor in general which is why I said in order to not just be a self-serving hypocrite, you need to accept that broader framework. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 06:35 PM |
| -1 | Girls have zero empathy for guys and male lonliness.Commie here! Plenty (dare I say most) men don't give a shit about things like the exploitation of capitalism, but boy howdy have I never heard women sound more like Austrian-school, neoliberal zealots than when the issue of sex, desire, relationships, etc. comes up. There's a bourgeois, liberal feminist to reactionary pipeline that I don't think gets acknowledged anywhere near as much as it should. Amy Schumer's disgusting recent tirades about Israel and Palestine are a perfect example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 06:28 PM |
| 2 | Girls have zero empathy for guys and male lonliness.I mean, there's something to this argument, but you better be a literal communist if you're going to use it otherwise this is just selective, manipulative word gaming. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 06:10 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Personal responsibility seems to go out the window as soon as a man is expected to vet women.This is some God-tier gaslighting and victim blaming, right here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 05:30 PM |
| 1 | current dating climate in 2023You do. If you think your particular field is an exception here, you're mistaken. Even physics has frameworks and most of those assholes would laugh at you for saying you're a biologist but also don't like "soft sciences." I figured the labels would boil down to something like that. Who gets to decide what's intended to help versus harm others? A racist would say they're not trying to harm anyone. They're trying to preserve a natural order the disregarding of which they consider harmful. On the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 01:33 AM |
| 1 | current dating climate in 2023What objective criteria separate prosocial and antisocial behaviors in your framework? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/23 01:13 AM |
| 1 | current dating climate in 2023Those labels are made up moral classifications that have no bearing on reality by themselves. You may as well say, "I don't know why you feel that sinful behavior compares to Godly behavior," in response to someone advocating gay marriage rights. It's a worthless statement unless I already accept your ideological system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 09:50 PM |
| 3 | Oppression olympicsHey I'm surprised this is being so well recieved here and I'm glad you said it. It's worth keeping in the backs of our minds at least. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Oppression olympicsBro read some David Graeber. This is a nice little story made up to justify liberal social arrangements but it's literally just a story. Anthropology has moved beyond this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Oppression olympicsThere is a need for feminism, racial equality, transgender rights, religious freedom and a whole host of other things. The good versions of people supporting these things are hiding in radical circles. Most are some flavor of anarchist or communist. It's the liberals, especially corporate types, who talk about this stuff that you need to watch out for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 07:56 PM |
| 1 | current dating climate in 2023But social proof is a real phenomenon which facilitates talking to strangers. This by itself isn't a good argument. Racism is also a "real phenomenon" but that doesn't automatically mean it's one that ought to be encouraged or reinforced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 07:48 PM |
| 4 | If you've ever called a man an incel, you can't really claim there's nothing wrong with being a male virginThis is a nuanced take. I think most people here trying to defend the term would accept this logic for pretty much any other derogatory term that's expanded into a more colloquial insult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 07:35 PM |
| 3 | If you've ever called a man an incel, you can't really claim there's nothing wrong with being a male virginOk, but I could use this same argument to say fa***t isn't a slur and has nothing to do with homophobia; it just means "asshole." I think that's a little too myopic. Why THAT word if it just means "asshole," you know? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 07:30 PM |
| 5 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableYeah, I know. If I didn't think there were good people out there I'd probably be on that Andrew Tate bullshit by now. I don't exactly have faith in most people as is, but I have faith that people can be better than most people are now. It's just hard to keep much more of a positive outlook than that when you feel like you're holding out for a winning lottery ticket. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 01:26 AM |
| 2 | How true is this whole girls take over 3/4 of the bed thing?BUT I will say the only reason I may take up 3/4 of the bed is because my boyfriend is warm. So I snuggle up to him. If he scoots away, I scoot toward him. So at some point he’s scooted all the way to the edge and now my side is 3/4 of the bed because I move right up to him in my sleep. Girl, he's too warm! Leave him alone! I love snuggling but I can't sleep like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 06:36 PM |
| 3 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableI mean I agree to an extent depending on what you mean, but I'd say based on just this comment here that you probably derive some emotional satisfaction from identifying with the concept of "adult" which allows you to suppress or excise other emotional impulses. But that's not really controlling emotion so much as it is leaning on particular emotions to paper over others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 06:13 PM |
| 3 | Is there such thing as luck in dating or is it all based on your accomplishments or hard work?This is a good post and I just wanna tack something on to the last paragraph: the medicalization of what we now reflexively call "mental health" may've emerged from good intentions, but it's just become a roundabout way to continue treating any sort of deviation from "normal" as a moral failing on the part of the individual. By trying to frame those deviations as medical, the best of early psychologists and psychiatrists aimed to destigmatize them and stop treating abnormal but not dangerous beh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 06:06 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableThat's not genetic though, at least not in the sense you seem to mean. From a selfish gene perspective, what would be the advantage of a woman (or man for that matter) being able to love any old random baby as much as their actual progeny? It makes much more sense to say that I filled the social role of "child," allowing and requiring her to fulfill the social role of "mother," which lead to love than to call that genetic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:42 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableWell then allow me to offer my even more radical take: you can't help but be "enslaved" by your emotions and anyone who thinks otherwise has just constructed or adopted rationalizations to obscure that fact. Probably because they would find it emotionally distressing to really consider the alternative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:32 PM |
| 3 | The average American man is much more redpilled than you thinkI hope you mean the other person, not me | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:26 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableTo slightly co-opt some Kierkegaardian language, what happens is a leap of faith that definitionally transcends your rational reasons for considering someone desirable in a utilitarian sense. That's precisely where lust or transactional desire becomes love. Which isn't easy for anyone, men or women, but it's a sad thing to see that utterly dismissed or ignored by so many people in our demystified, hyper-transactional society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:24 PM |
| 40 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableThis is a good distinction worth pointing out. I've been in a small handful of medium to long term relationships where the woman either pretty much began with or started displaying some pretty serious (though not to the point of needing hospitalization or anything) emotional or mental distress later in the relationship. I pushed through this, helping where I could and just being there when I couldn't do anything else, and in each case she eventually stopped feeling or at least displaying those s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableCan you elaborate on your reasoning here a bit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:01 PM |
| 12 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableWhere is this impulse coming from? From being a human being. What happened to you that you're somehow baffled by that "impulse?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 04:52 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableOk explain why my adoptive mom loves me then? Selfish gene theory is way too reductive a way to actually explain human attitudes and behaviors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 04:46 PM |
| 2 | Men who want to be loved for "who they are" and not "what they provide" are not being reasonableHow? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 04:38 PM |
| 1 | There is a active push to limit the scope of socially acceptable venues to approach a womanHalf of trans kids try to commit suicide. Therefore we should be trying to cure transgenderism because it clearly has a negative impact on their lives. You good with that line of reasoning? I'm not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 06:33 AM |
| 4 | The average American man is much more redpilled than you thinkProfound. You've completely changed my perspective. I see clearly where I was going wrong and concede to your superior intellect. Well stated, sir. Well stated indeed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Does this subreddit actually help anyone?I believe you believe that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:22 AM |
| 2 | The average American man is much more redpilled than you thinkConsider this your touch grass moment. Lol ok, bro. There's no difference between a man raised in the Bay Area by and among liberals who all at least flirt with critical theory without necessarily knowing it, a Baptist tradesman who's never left Oklahoma in his life, and for that matter a Wahabi cleric from Saudia Arabia because they're all corrupted by the same toxic kernel of a belief that they own women or something. You say you studied political science? It sounds to me like you're just coll… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Does this subreddit actually help anyone?Yeesh, capitalist ideology really does a number on some people | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 04:45 AM |
| 1 | The average American man is much more redpilled than you thinkLiberals are just as likely to adhere to institutional patriarchy as anyone else is. Seriously? Just as likely as the conservative men in rural Arkansas or the Florida panhandle? Of course my point wasn't that those attitudes are absent as soon as you enter a Blue county, but surely they're less popular. Even if your point is that beyond stated beliefs and policy differences there's still a common, unconscious set of beliefs that tie all those men together, I'd still say that represents a signif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 04:11 AM |
| 2 | Does organised prostitution indeed prove that sexual intercourse is more important for gynophilic men than for androphilic women?If this is the case that would mean bi men should hook up significantly more often with other men than with women. I have no data and don't care enough to try and find any, but that could be one thing to look at to see if this holds up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Does organised prostitution indeed prove that sexual intercourse is more important for gynophilic men than for androphilic women?I think you're right, but this goes both ways. A lot of women are perhaps more uptight/prudish about sex than they otherwise would be if they weren't nurtured into viewing it as something they have to offer which needs to be guarded. And that's a norm which patriarchal institutions like capitalism or Christianity as well as women themselves reinforce in different ways and for different reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/23 03:54 AM |
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