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I'm replying to you, not him. Is sexual liberation not ultimately the modern attitude by which we declare, among other things of course, that no man is entitled or has the right to any woman’s time or attention? Cause he's on some other shit, frankly. Not sure what there is to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:54 PM
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No, it's just choosing good people to build good things with. That doesn't look the same for everyone, and that reflects your judgment of others not a cultural ideal of what "attractive" looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:46 PM
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What are you not comprehending? Why you think that women can do no wrong so long as they don't do it on purpose. It's a very strange idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:45 PM
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The idea that nothing is bad so long as you don't think too hard about it is childish. And deeply socially irresponsible. It makes their mindset more “eugenics”-spirited than dating a hot person because you’re attracted to them, which is what OP suggests. Is that better? You realize you quoted yourself right? Eugenics is not a state of mind, it is a practice. And you do it every time you endorse a fetishized idea of what a suitable partner is supposed to look like. It really shouldn't be that ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:38 PM
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I expect nothing. They don’t owe it to anyone to continue to spread a pattern of genetic traits. Sexual selection is amoral. All the excuses in the world to just let people do whatever they get a feeling to do will never make it right. We are human beings, and we owe it to ourselves and other people to do better than to just copy the animals in the forest who chew grass and mount each other whenever the seasons change. Have some fucking respect for yourselves. These pseudo-darwinist takes on her…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:34 PM
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Animals want the most beautiful offspring so they select the most beautiful mates. That’s how selection works. What should women do instead? Are you an animal? Should you be treated like one? If not, why should you get to act like one? What should women do instead? Have sex out of charity? Develop some better taste than whatever turned on a cavewoman. Maybe value something in other people that actually affects your quality of life. That reproduces a better society around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:31 PM
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Cop-out. A cop-out and a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:25 PM
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Honestly, this is a good argument for boy's and girl's school. I think that it carries other problems, but it at least keeps the majority of the kids focused on school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:09 PM
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Being attracted to hot people does not a eugenicist make. Only wanting to date a hot person so you have attractive offspring does a eugenicist make. Only wanting to date taller women with tall dads because you want tall sons does a eugenicist make. You're splitting hairs. The consequence is the same. It's like saying hiring discrimination only counts if there is an explicit prohibition of certain types of people. The practical reality is that enough women are on the same page to implicitly exclu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 11:54 AM
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If you're an engineer why aren't you building a stable relationship that you can trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:07 AM
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I'm aware. Am a Bama boy. Well I send my heart out to you. The feelings are mutual. I've never been jealous of lesbians for long. It's obvious they have a hard time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 09:35 PM
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Risks that can neither be gauged or predicted are not risks that can be managed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:28 PM
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They are too much work because they're the only ones expected to try and make them work. Expected to please their partners. Et cetera. And wife jokes are from a different time. Those are the same marriages that women on this sub love to say were from social pressure and financial dependence, yet you expect the men to also be happy in them? It's weird. Boomers had a weird emotionally suppressive culture that dehumanized everyone into fitting a common mold. And it's irrelevant to modern dating cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:18 PM
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Yes there is. If you think men go up to women purely because they're brave, I've got a bridge to sell. Men push themselves to approach women because they have desires and the only way to meet those desires is to engage women. If they didn't have the desire, they wouldn't bother. It's not because they like getting judged and sized up by strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:04 PM
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Some men seem to see women befriending them as an insult, which has always been strange to me. I think it's because friendship is a loaded term that incorporates a lot of different kinds of relationships, many of which are emotionally limiting and stifling for the men involved with very little room for honest expression. Some friends are actually friends, they're companions that you trust and enjoy spending time with. Some guys end up being held in a kind of stasis where the women don't really i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 06:55 PM
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You're reaching hard at that last part.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 06:46 PM
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Paranoia is a terrible thing to spread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 06:24 PM
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Or that resentment doesn’t build in marriage? Resentment is a two way street. Or that there no man who are attracted to young women and would leave their wives for 20 something girl? No man that women should be marrying. So are you going to tell me that men aren’t settling Settling down maybe. Or that people don’t change? Or that don’t make mistakes in who they choose? We all change, and the mistakes you make aren't the rule. It's easier to get it right if you value things in men that aren't lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:27 AM
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This is the same kind of paranoia guys spew out about getting left for richer, handsomer men by their "monkey branching" wives. If you think that's sexist bullshit, then you should extend that grace. If a man leaves you after helping him get to a better place, then you married a sociopath. Most men aren't sociopaths. They are capable of deep love.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:29 AM
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There's no reason to think the average 25 year old man today will be as successful at age 35 as the men who are currently 35. There is a reason to think that a partnered and supported 25 year old man would be though. Women judge men in their absence when their presence is a large part of what allows for many men to be successful. Most people do not prosper alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:27 AM
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Are they somehow compelled to approach women that they would not want? In a world where almost every woman will say no and vanishingly few will say yes, absolutely. That's a compellent. If men are approaching women, are those women somehow magically choosing men who haven’t chosen them first? They are choosing the men who have made themselves available to them. Showing that you are available is not choosing. There's no agency in making yourself available when the vast majority don't want what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:24 AM
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A man has to want it to for it to happen. Nah. Men have to let it happen for it to happen. Not all consent is enthusiastic. And men are under way more pressure to say yes to women than vice versa. That's a completely separate (but very real and fucked up issue) Nah, there's a connection. The moral weight attached to violating or pressuring men for the sexual desires of others (especially women) is very low. You can turn the screws as you like. You've got to do something really fucked up to a guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:21 AM
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When there are communities of women dedicated to long term boyfriends that won't propose to them, it should be easy to see why people make this distinction. Women abdicate most of the dynamism of their romantic lives to men. Whether they have the ultimate say or not, they refuse to be an active part of most processes they're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:13 AM
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Professionals cost money
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:05 AM
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That tendency of people broadly, not them specifically. The future is religious, not Mormon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:56 PM
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Well past it. The really zealous ones. I'm talking conservative Mormons people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:40 PM
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It'll bounce back is my point. When the religious overtake the non-replacing population.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:09 PM
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Population isn't headed for implosion. It's headed for demographically lopsided growth. Religious people are going to outbreed everyone else. People need to get off the apps because they're turning people into sociopaths and attention whores. It's cancerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 06:58 PM
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Responding to the content of what's said rather than the tone it was said in would be helpful here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:42 PM
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Me or them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:29 PM
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People talking to each other and meeting in the middle is a revenge fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:18 PM
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Wishful thinking, but hopefully it becomes less wishful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:07 PM
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You have to have emotional intelligence to tell the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:17 PM
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And if you think about it, your actions are making society worse. You're telling men to play games. To reward women that play games. I am telling them NOT to play games. To be honest, to reward women who value honesty and don't play games. I'm not telling men to play games. I'm telling women to stop being the kinds of people that respond to them. But fine, it's splitting hairs if I don't think the women will listen and the guys are stuck with what they've got. I don't think it's in anyone's inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:07 PM
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Society isn't going to be in a good place if 9/10 people act like this. I do not speak only for myself and my own interests. Most of what I see lines up with what I've said, regardless of if I deal with it directly or not. My own sister acts like this, bless her messy little heart. It's not just who I date. I don't date anybody anymore, I've basically sworn off of it. Partially because I run into this so much, but also because I know even the more sensible women are likewise surrounded by people…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:56 PM
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The most unattractive thing for drama-full, immature, lower-level-thinking women a man can ever do is be straightforward and honest. Of course, but that's what most of dating pool is. Immature, lower level thinking. This is a statement about yourself, not women in general. And what does it say about me, Mr. Red Pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:45 PM
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You can only stop falling for that kind of thing through experience. Thankfully, other people's experiences are out in the open to read and listen to. If one actually wants to avoid problems, all they have to do is listen to people that have had their problems before.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:41 PM
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Insecurity is not a purely mental phenomenon. And you can fake feeling secure. Hell, it's a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:07 PM
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There should be a movement for women to publicly delete their dating apps. I think the more men look at dating apps and can be 90% that the women on there aren't real, the easier it'll be to get them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:44 PM
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The most unattractive thing a man can ever do is be straightforward and honest. Nothing dries women up like knowing what they're getting into and what to expect. They enjoy the confusion, they enjoy the surprises, they like being able to walk away from a disaster and tell all their friends. Personally, I think it's because most women don't see the things that happen in their life as their own responsibility, so no matter how bad it gets it's never their fault. So they can share the story, they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:37 PM
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What does respect mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:41 AM
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And furthermore, social media should be destroyed. It's the accelerant for all the anti-social personality types that are rampant among women. The personality types that feed this process of driving down the perception of men while thriving on their attention and resources. The more men seem like something to eat off of instead of people to eat with, the dehumanization will continue. Chasing women is only part of the problem. The Only Fans, the porn, the attention economy in general. It all comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:30 AM
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Nothing that I have seen in my life on this earth has ever implied this: serious and appropriate responses​ Is attractive to women. It's boring to them and they say as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:18 AM
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Lame
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:15 AM
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Now you know why my single friends, who get plenty of attention, are still single. Because they get in their own way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:06 AM
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FSM?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:35 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:57 PM
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Speak. For. Yourself. Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:40 PM
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In my experience, I've got had the same problem on my end.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:58 PM
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Zippidy doo da....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:37 PM
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There's such a pedophillic undercurrent to the culture here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 05:32 PM
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Not every gendered issue from men is solved by a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 05:20 PM
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Sounds like you're victim blaming
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:39 PM
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They only respect their own sexual needs, it's kind of a throughline for most of these conversations. They can empathize up until sex is part of the conversation and then they can feel comfortable judging and dismissing the men in the way that they are otherwise accustomed to. If a woman sleeps around but can't orgasm, that's a tragedy. But if a guy can't sleep around then he's morally bankrupt. It's moralizing to excuse a prejudice they already have. I don't care for men that want endless hooku…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:31 PM
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Saying that they can isn't an assumption. And if I hated women, I wouldn't be talking to you right now. I'd be setting up a Grindr account and minding my business.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:49 PM
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Acknowledging the free will of other human beings is hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:35 PM
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66% of men below 30 are single. Why are you lying on a Friday morning?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:35 PM
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but the ones who do are fixated on their next "achievement" so they won't even begin to think about a relationship until they feel they've had at least as much casual sex as they imagine the average guy has. It's a shame how much self-esteem gets wrapped up in keeping score like this. I think a lot of guys live in fear of wasting their youth and getting old enough to regret everything they didn't get a chance to do. Like, I've had a couple sexual partners and I'm not proud of most if any of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:33 PM
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That's like a saying a job isn't easy to get, they just hire people on quickly. Just because you do not value the validation of men doesn't mean that they're stingy with it. Your prejudice clouds your mind, young Jazz.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:11 PM
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Women can misrepresent themselves and change their presentation whenever they please.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:03 PM
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Have you ever been turned down for how you look?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:02 PM
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Complaining men with no love lives are constantly picking apart strangers that they resent. Actual men are dating and partnering with literally every permutation of "woman" there is. Because men do not have blanket generalized standards that ice out vast sections of women from dating. That's women that are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:00 PM
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You're projecting. Men are incredibly forgiving with regard to looks, especially compared to women. This isn't even worth arguing over. If you think this, you're not paying attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:51 AM
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You don't know the first thing about being a man if you can say that with a straight face. This world is full of sweet people that no one wants anything to do with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:49 AM
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Hard to know who's who.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:47 AM
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The two things aren't separate, that's his point. There is not "valuing over" one leads to the other. If they don't want you they won't be with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:46 AM
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It's my own fault for checking reddit at 5 in the morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:46 AM
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Dude, not population. I mean among single, available, at least optionally heterosexua people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:08 AM
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Buddy. We're falling apart in real time. China is the most successful nation in the world. Going from dirt poor to the largest economy on the planet in 50 years is record time. Nobody can beat that. I don't need to live anywhere else just make myself feel better about where I'm from. There are parts of the US that are world class, both in quality of life and in the lack of it. There is nothing generally true across our country except that the big money calls the shots.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:31 PM
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Can you ask your partner what his dating life was like before he met you? I'm not trying to prove a point, I genuinely would like to see what the trajectory was for you to find each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:29 PM
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have serious body dismorphia from comparing themselves The dysmorphia comes from comparing themselves to the expressed preferences of women in online spaces. Men like to look good, but extremes like Cavil become benchmarks when women hold men to those benchmarks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:07 PM
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The number of single men and women are also roughly 50/50. No it's more like 65/35.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:59 PM
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The gym is society for most people. Most people on the spectrum are what used to be called Asperger's. They can figure things out if they try enough and make an effort. At least enough to find other people on their wavelength.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:37 PM
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Would you support a subsidy for natural seed purchasing? Even if the yields are smaller?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:09 PM
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frankencrops are just a fact of life at this point. A suicidal fact of life. Using your own seed isn't very common outside of organic farms and requires a lot of extra work on the part of the farmer to keep their supply chain as circular as possible. Wouldn't it be sensible/responsible to at least keep a supply of it, even if it's not planted? Or are the finances too tight on farms for that to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:00 PM
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Do you all use sterilized seed or do you use your own seeds year after year. I heard that Monsanto sells seeds that don't produce fertile plants. So they're only good for one crop.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:45 PM
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What else do you know? This is very educational. I don't talk to farmers much, I most see them at markets, there's usually not a lot of room to talk about this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:26 PM
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Large-scale family farms (GCFI of $1 million or more) make up less than 3% of all U.S. farms but produce 43% of the value of all agricultural products. Mid-size farms (GCFI between $350,000 and $999,999) are 5% of U.S. farms and produce 20% of the value of all agricultural products. This is what popped out at me just reading the abstract. Are farms considered to be family farms regardless of how many people work for them so long as they are still owned by a private household?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:14 PM
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Are independent farmers the majority of our food production?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:43 PM
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https://foodtank.com/news/2023/12/harvesting-hope-how-the-prison-agriculture-lab-exposes-exploitation-in-prison-agriculture/ There are prisoners used for farming in all 50 states. Just because your community didn't have convicts doesn't make it so for everyone. And the number of prisoners being put to work isn't going to go down, especially with ICE rounding people up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:19 PM
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Most economic problems are problems of organization and political will to organize. In the US at least, public policy just hasn't made it a priority to build for a future in which people are largely educated, consumer goods are increasingly expensive, and the United States is not in an undisputed position of superiority with the rest of the world. This country over the last 50 or so years has conducted itself as if doing whatever is in the interest of our financial institutions, corporate monopo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 12:49 PM
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The misanthropic pessimism of this sub is disgusting. This state of things will birth a global plutocracy There already is one, and it's burning itself alive as we speak. The ends are fraying, tensions are rising, fools are in power and they are turning their weapons against their own people, inviting destruction on themselves. There's nothing futuristic about it, it's just the present. And since no woman would stick around losers, they will all be part of rich men's harems. The peasant men will…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 12:24 PM
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What do you empathize with?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:15 AM
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Narcissists often have trouble admitting that they've fucked up, like you're doing now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:08 AM
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It makes sense to listen more to a man's advice than a woman's, if it's about something that concerns dating, relationships, etc. Other men actually understand enough of your problems first hand to put themselves in their shoes. If a woman can show that she's able to do that, she'll be listened to. Most show that they are deeply uncomfortable engaging with male motivations and concerns. That's going to result in you not being heard out. For example: A woman telling a man to stop worrying about d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:05 AM
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The voting population is not the whole population. Less than half of the country votes, and only half of that are Republicans. Trump has the backing of like a quarter to a third of the people here. So no, not even he's actually popular "with men". Popular with voting men? Republican Men? Yeah of course, but not "men"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:55 AM
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Probably the validation. The orgasm is nice, but it's something I can get at home. Feeling like I'm good enough to want is harder to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:36 PM
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Seconded, for the most part my female friends are very good to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:32 PM
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It absolutely will. I think the only thing that can be done at this point is to get ahead of it with some kind of sensible philosophy to it, instead of waiting for people to blow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:09 PM
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It's not awareness, it's sensationalizing. It's basically modern yellow journalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:06 PM
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however those types of guys will always listen to another guy than a lady pointing it out. This is a meme that women spread among themselves. Those men don't listen to other men either. There's no secret key to communication that only men have for other men. Like, yeah they might have less casual disrespect for a random man, but that's it. They're still hard-headed and volatile.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:05 PM
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Well ask her how she feels
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:02 AM
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From what she says, she seems deeply disturbed by what she sees here. I call that fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:53 AM
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Half the men in here are decidedly off the market. Black Pill literally means giving up. If you're scared, you're scared. I can't take that from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:45 AM
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Why not go to Askmen instead of here?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:30 AM
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dont call them out for saying such wild things. Fighting that kind of madness is a futile. Especially if you're not able to do it in a way that discourages others from picking up their ideas. I share a lot of the crazy posts on facebook groups I'm in, so other women are aware what men truly think about us. And so the cycle continues
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:23 AM
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I wonder how unsettling the comments are to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:00 AM
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It comes from knowing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:45 AM
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Well that's the thing, most of the confusion isn't from single compartmentalized answers, it's from broad tendencies of women that have contradictory expectations. It's not just one woman's opinion that has men like this. Or in other words, if you get mad that different women have different advice and expect a universal consensus, I expect women to notice when they are saying things that conflict with what other women say, and then reflect on that. My issue is not with having a one size fits all…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:43 AM
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They don't walk up and say "let's have sex" I've heard nearly those exact words before
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:09 AM
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There no hypocrisy in wanting something you’re not giving yourself There is immense hypocrisy, especially when you phrase it like that. But we are all products of same culture, you can trow the stones when you debunk it in you Now I thought we were all individuals... Now, I think you said on another thread "Treat me like a tradwife if you dare". I would expect a tradwife to sit back and let men do all the work. That's in alignment with their beliefs. It's equally hypocritical, but I also expect …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:51 PM
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Your perspective on men reflects a truth about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:44 PM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:39 PM
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I have plenty of loving rewarding intimate relationships. I'm just now seeing your profile picture...so understood
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:34 PM
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You need to come to the hood. The women there will put you through a confidence bootcamp.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:31 PM
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A chance at love????????
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:30 PM
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and are compatible with As a man who has been approached a fair few times, this ain't it. Women approach when they like what they see, and that's really it. Almost every time I've had a woman approach me, I wasn't paying them any serious attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:28 PM
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because women are conditioned not to be pushy This is a cultural thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:24 PM
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if men don’t take initiative initially they’re never going to do it. You tell on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:22 PM
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Girls get catcalled all the time by grown men once they start puberty. There are almost never any consequences, but I wouldn't say it's seen as acceptable. That's literally a crime. That can and is prosecuted. Even if it's mostly not pursued, those guys are risking their freedom by coming at children in that way. A poorly enforced rule is still a rule. Now, if that harassment was decriminalized then yeah I'd agree with you. Needs to be enforced more. And likewise on your last point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:15 PM
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I agree that they need to develop. I'm just saying, we should do more to address how people are while they get to where they need to be. Which is a long process.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:08 PM
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From what I've seen in life, the "sort of know" is probably the only relatively viable way for guys to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:55 PM
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The first.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:47 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:45 PM
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It's almost definitely a Gen Z thing. When I speak to women who are over 30, I don't see nearly as much of this kind of attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:43 PM
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If there's no correction of the behavior, then it's acceptable. Gotta have consequences. And I understand why most women feel like they're in a place to police that kind of behavior. But I'm just saying that it's part of what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:29 PM
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Nah, I like hugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:45 PM
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The issue is that society is not built on a mass of people who think for themselves on every single that every single time. Whether we like it or not, we have to take into account the social cost of not being clear about what's expected of people. There'll be a mess otherwise, and we're living in the mess. Even though you are capable of navigating the mess, not everyone is like you. It all goes away if you just understand that women are individual and want different things. Some women and some m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:43 PM
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People generally agree that places like bars/parties are appropriate places to approach. But that doesn't mean every woman wants to be approached when she's in those places Given that, the only ask left between these two viewpoints is to get those women who don't want to be approached to reject men in a way that respects that they have done nothing wrong, only something unwanted. Most of the time, those two things get conflated. If a woman doesn't want you, she gets a social pass to lash out in …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:34 PM
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I get why this might be confusing. There's a lot of different ways to take the use of the word "Women". And I'm trying to not get into the weeds writing a mountain of text for every comment. But what I'm saying is that women of broadly similar backgrounds and expectations would do best to not contradict one another. Of course a woman who's part of the tradlife subculture isn't going to want the same things as you. But neither of you would be representatives of a general culture of which most wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:24 PM
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What every individual woman likes in particular man is not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about are shared places where men are welcome to approach, what the broad expectations on how to strike up conversations are. And if you still don't think that women are capable of being broadly on the same page about even those very basic of things, then men are going to have to start doing what makes sense for themselves. They'll ask out the cashier on her shift, and the world will keep spinning…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:08 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:00 PM
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Yes you can, culture exists, we are not just a collection of individuals. Society is more than that, and part of its complexity is the ability to set general standards and expectations. Whether you recognize it as such or not, women already do the last part. They just don't have a consensus for the standards and expectations they set. The men who bring up these ideas, these catch-22s, the contradictions, they are responding to real messages that real women really say and have been saying for mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:57 PM
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Bourgeois feminism plays up antisocial tendencies in women under the guise of being uncompromising in taking what they deserve in society. And you're right, it's definitely pushed on women. But the most fearful of women are the ones that pick it up with the most gusto. Lashing out at men and shaming them probably makes them feel stronger, like they have a say in what happens around them. It's a shame that they don't get that feeling from a more balanced place. Because all it does is feed misandr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:54 PM
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I'm ignoring your disrespectful examples , cause that's not called for. Different men are wired differently. I don't have a very strong attraction to celebrities, but that doesn't mean that I don't think they're attractive. They're just millionaires who I'm probably never going to meet or be perceived by. It's bad enough trying to be noticed by women who are actually accessible, I'm not wasting the energy on Billie Eilish. But that's definitely a reflection of the times I'm living in. I have a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:49 PM
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Dating does not involve billions of women. It involves the single population within specific countries (for the bigger ones, it's regional), and for the most part it's about the people on the younger side of adulthood. There are far fewer single 20 and 30 somethings in the Pacific Northwest than there are billions of women in the world. It's not a global issue, it's just a mass issue, it's inescapable, if you are young and single. But it breaks down by locale. Hash what out? How to talk to men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:42 PM
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Verbal abuse is probably the most common thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:37 PM
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I've always tried to listen to other people's perspective , understand where they're coming from, and listen to their experiences. As have I. That's why my most sincerest advice to other men is cut the Gordian knot and do what's right without worrying about what's proper. Cause the men will never get on the same page about it, not all the way. That women either lied or are incapable of explaining themselves properly is such a depressing conclusion But this isn't my conclusion. Women have no cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 08:04 PM
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If your gut gets you mistreated by pretty people and makes you treat unpretty people like shit, then yeah learning to distrust your gut is a good thing. Those instincts need to be suppressed. Men have to learn not to follow every instinct we have, women need to do the same. You can't go through life making hunches about people and calling it a sensible way to live. You have to use your conscious mind too. Pay attention. Develop principles and morals. Evolve.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:55 PM
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The thing that gets to me most is that well-adjusted women don't actually need that much accommodation. Most of the mixed messages on this stuff comes from the clinically anxious types. They're really afraid, all of the time, of damn near every man. I feel for them, but we've got to stop creating general standards based around the sensibilities of people who have very particular needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:04 PM
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Personally I don't see it. Never once seen a woman really consider a male friend as a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:57 PM
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Women desire very different traits in friends versus partners. I don't think that's necessarily the case for men. Most women could probably date their long term male friends and get a fair shot. And I do mean long term male friends, the people who have genuinely been there for them and like them outside of romance. The social skills that get women those friends absolutely translate to dating. If you can have mutually enjoyable dynamic with a man, you've got most of the mixture right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:41 PM
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It's how they feel in the moment. Women have to go through a lot before they ever stop trusting themselves on how they feel about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:34 PM
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I've come to the mindset that men should just learn to be comfortable with making women uncomfortable. There are steps they could take to end these catch-22s and they don't take them. It's really out of any one man's hands. Don't do anything you cannot defend or justify, treat people well, but otherwise focus on your own romantic needs. The women aren't thinking that deeply about what they push men to do or whether it makes sense or fits with what other women push. Their disorganization cannot b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:16 PM
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No arguments there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:32 PM
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The world would be a better place if people actually practiced this philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:39 PM
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Yeah the disclaimer is implied. No, it isn't. And that doesn't have anything to do with other people being on the spectrum. You're just disingenuous in how you communicate your point. Which is basically "do what women want even if it gets you nothing". Not a winning pitch, I have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:37 PM
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Well
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:30 PM
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If every person I meet is rude to me, I am the problem. Society is rarely so simple as a truism portrays it. There are real prejudices in this world, and the people on the other end of them can get treated like pariahs for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:57 PM
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There are women here who call them landwhales too. This place is an unrepresentative cesspool. I have never seen one say that society is unfair because men have autonomy not to date her. That's because fat women get dates and boyfriends. Like, the hostility against fat women is real, but most real people do not have it out for them like that. They're socially viable, and they're treated with basic respect, in actual life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:32 PM
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That works out until almost everyone is rude to you. I am not speaking from experience, (I can get a smile and banter out of almost anybody, it comes with the Southern charm) but I'm not going to act like everyone gets courteous responses from most anyone they meet. Some people can't leave the house without a dirty look, just cause their face isn't photogenic or their hair is messy, they're too black, they're too something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:19 PM
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is a reward in and of itself for someone Any attitude that revolves around the idea of "They don't need anything from anyone, they're already happy enough" is just an excuse to take advantage of them. You like what they do, you like having them around, but you don't want to do what it takes to keep them around. This is like expecting people to be happy about work that they don't get paid for. There are logistics to life. You need things, you want things, your place in this world is not a given. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:15 PM
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That's not a goal post. I'm not including old men in any conversation about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:08 AM
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The people who are most open to it are probably bisexual themselves. It's always a mistake to assume that people won't discriminate against their own category just because. Especially if it's men and women sharing that category. It's not the same and they don't see it that way either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:21 AM
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Men aren't always going to argue amongst each other. Likely for similar reasons why women don't. And there are always men on these threads attacking the posts and the redpillers and blackpillers as losers and fuckups. They're part of the space.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:20 AM
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What do you mean? There's no confusion about what it means, I've been repeatedly told about all the evidence supporting it. There's a difference between repeating an interpretation of an OKCupid Study, and going on a diatribe about Chads and Becky's. The former isn't my job to police, the second is a problem. But like I said before, thought viruses. Do you see it? No, what are you seeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:04 AM
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And what's my flaw ma'am?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:58 AM
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Condoms don't stop Herpes. And most people don't use dental dams. There are lot of spots of intimacy that condoms don't handle. 1) they don’t want to or 2) because they aren’t able to. Not because of a risk of STDs. STDs very much effect both of these. Like... just for an example, I think the fixation on body counts would be less pronounced in a world where having a lot of sex didn't automatically come with bug catcher baggage. It's especially off-putting to people on account of STDs. If the onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:52 AM
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80/20 rule Depends on how they're talking about it. Most times I see this brought up, it's not really in a way that pushback is necessary. Men under 30 are upwards of ~60% single, close to half haven't even approached a woman in the last year. It's not really that wild of a statement to say that most men don't really have a shot. Cause they demonstrably don't. That's not red pill, it's reality. AWALT I'm more of the "Too Many Women Are Like That" mindset. I'm not going to back up a guy who's jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:36 AM
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Look man I'm just identifying your attitude as a male-focused contrarian. You are literally the man other men argue with. Cause you're doing that now. I'm other men. I have no stake in the OP's point or the parent comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:21 AM
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There are no statistics that will be fully accurate regarding crime, abuse or infidelity. Especially not for the sex that people are already primed to believe do it less. Men are punished more for crime, men are reported more for crime, ergo men are identified with crime regardless of what the actual proportion of the population actually commits them is. All female on male abuse is underreported and underpenalized. It's a private affair as far as society cares to acknowledge it, you're not going…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:16 AM
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I don't think men are better, just better than how you're painting them. Lil
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:11 AM
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Is this a meme account? Are you even a woman? Why are you pushing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:09 AM
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You are the man that other men argue with
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:07 AM
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You're welcome. I really don't understand the desire to fight on this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:05 AM
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hopefully I don't need to explain how being penetrated has a higher probability of being hurt You don't. My point isn't that women have no problems to deal with. I'm pushing against the idea that men have no problems to deal with. Some women are dangerous and that is a risk we have to gauge.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:51 PM
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Not in my age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:39 PM
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less satisfying encounters. Has nothing to do with safety. Women are more likely to be seriously injured by partners And men get set up to be robbed or attacked by women. Blackmailed as well. get STDs Not unique to women. can get pregnant You gotta take that up with Dana not me. That's like me saying men are more likely to have penile fractures than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:33 PM
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Well yeah, that's a natural reaction to being talked down to and having restrictions and judgments being placed on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:30 PM
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Ngl this sort of turned me off. I'm thinking more about generally seeing men speak at all, not necessarily what they talk about. The lack of peer to peer socialization and exposure to men in any capacity outside of being randomly approached has negative effects. However women and men can find a space where everyone just gets to exist, that's best. I'd prefer if women got this kind of socialization from a secular place, but it seems like if you leave women on their own, they self-segregate. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:16 PM
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Redpillers aren't men, they're a subculture that would die out if they didn't have rage-bait on tap from their phones.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:00 PM
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I think this is a big part of the disconnect. Men tell themselves no. If I catch myself fantasizing about something that just doesn't make sense, I stamp it out. There's a filter for practicality and realism on my thoughts that will be used liberally on any expectations I have for a partner. Edit: If you just let your imagination run wild on standards that you will inevitably hold real people to, that says something about how much empathy you have and your comfort with indulging yourself. I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:26 PM
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Most women have partners. You cannot flip this issue because the majority of women aren't the ones sitting around unwanted with no dating lives to speak of.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:13 PM
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But men aren’t risking safety All strangers are potentially dangerous. So, yes men are risking their safety. their reputation In the real world, people don't actually think men who fuck around a lot are sex gods who can do no wrong. Men and women. It might be impressive in the abstract for men who have absolutely nothing going on, but most men don't actually want to be players, they just want what players have so they can find a woman, singular, that they want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:12 PM
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More like people that see themselves as more attractive than them. Self-perception can make beautiful women think they're ugly and vice-versa. It's less about who's objectively more attractive. (Which I don't think it's very easy to say, sometimes)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:05 PM
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That you should just be human or just be a person. See, I don't think of that kind of advice as actually addressing what I'm talking about. It's a cop-out. Cause it basically places the responsibility on men to address women's perceptions of them. It's sidestepping the issue by tossing the ball back to men to handle. As if men can rewrite the narratives in women's heads. They spend more time with their own thoughts than they ever could speaking to men in real life. There's a misplacement of agen…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:54 PM
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Overall getting women as a man is entirely too much work, if they don't already like you or perceive you as an option. I think most of the damage for normal men comes in with cultural perceptions. The general idea of what men are to women is very unattractive to them, and they have that on the mind long before anyone ever speaks to them. Like, the reason why dating is so polarized is because the Halo effect is the only thing that can counter generation-wide conditioning to think of men as sub-hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:41 PM
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What part of that expectation feels heavy or disheartening? Most of the gender war frustrations on men's side come down to women being some mix of dismissive (of what men deal with), entitled (to the convenience of what men do), and hypocritical (regarding their own actions and expectations for us versus themselves). I’ve noticed some men say they think it’s unfair that they’re expected to be the ones to initiate. It is. It's blatantly unfair how lopsided the amount of energy and investment men …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:35 AM
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The men who are looking for the most sincere connections are likely to be first ones to disengage from dating. Women should understand this themselves, the same feelings they have from dating apps, being overwhelmed and turned off by how they're treated. Dating in general is like that for most earnest guys looking for love. It's going through a lot of self-inflicted abuse trying to find decent people in a sea of people who disqualify themselves in one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:21 AM
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I gotta chalk this up to cultural differences then. That's wild to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:54 PM
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I follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:51 PM
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Maybe it's just because I live in the times I'm living in, but I actually expect restaurants to have absurd prices like that for specialty items. It is is funny, I just didn't consider that a company would would make a joke like that outside of a twitter account.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:44 PM
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It's a curse that keeps on cursing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:13 PM
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....I just don't see how a restaurant like this appeals to grown adults if there isn't some sexual element keeping them there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:08 PM
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Now why do they have liver and onions on the kid's menu?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:04 PM
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Softcore and deniable titillation is harder to respect than just outright seeking to look at attractive strangers. family friendly establishments. Ma'am.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:58 PM
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I've never been to a strip club. If I was with a woman who was just dying to go see half naked men, I'd think I had made multiple mistakes. Nobody wants wings that damn bad, tf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:35 PM
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It's a straightforward solution that addresses many shared problems. In the interest of not giving in to the bitterness, I'll hope that women eventually come around to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:20 PM
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It definitely doesn't select for good. The good ones are flukes and special cases. There are always outliers and exceptions, but generally speaking, women select for men who can tastefully disrespect their unspoken boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:16 PM
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Don't put that on me. That's some White Guy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:47 PM
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There is no advice that will be useful to you if everything that comes to your mind are flawed and self-defeating approaches. It seems like you feel like the feedback women get on this is impossible. When it isn't. You just don't want to do things the hard and thorough way. My advice is to get to know men in a way that respects them and yourself, be honest about how much time you need and what you're looking for. And try to make sure that what you're looking for actually makes sense. For example…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:39 PM
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What the hell is wrong with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:33 PM
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Part 2/2 I'm kind of left with the idea that the only way to choose better is to never try to verify a man's background and words; never try to never talk about anything meaningful; You choose better by looking for traits in men that avoid the problems you've had with them in the past. It's not something that will look the same for every woman. There are women on this sub who have been abused in every relationship they've been in. Some have only found men who are chronically depressed. Some have…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:27 PM
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Part 1/2 One way women can filter against bad men is pre-selection, which is mocked as being a conformist hivemind and only wanting the men other women want. This is like cheating on a test where the whole class gets bad grades. It's outsourcing all the hard work of making bad decisions to other women that you also don't know any more than you know the guys. Pre-selection makes sense for inviting acquaintances of acquaintances to events, it doesn't make sense in picking prospective partners base…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:23 PM
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Well, you're the one arguing that women "claimed" these things. This nuance of interlocking motivations and social habits isn't reflected in your title.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:05 PM
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There's no Committee of Women who called dibs on a trait. I understand culture is a mysterious thing to people, but it's a shared assumption between men and women that lives and dies by how many people buy into it. You don't think it's true? Cool, you're advocating against it. There will doubtlessly be people here that agree with you. Congratulations, you have a space where this cultural assumption that you dislike is not in effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:02 PM
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how many people are giving Sabrina Carpenter the side-eye for a milquetoast celebrity cover Most of that criticism is coming from queer spaces though. It's not traditionalist conservatives who have the strongest opinions on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:53 PM
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they just want to find someone I'm not saying this to blame women in an accusatory way, so please don't take it that way. This is me trying to explain a male experience. But this is a problem of women's making, in part. Women don't seem to readily understand the broader social effect of all the rejections that they do mixed with the general passivity to how they date. Those two things together go a long way to creating this "I just want a girlfriend" approach to dating. Because most women are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:46 PM
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Can you get your Dad to start a class on how he managed that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:15 PM
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men were very much willing to meet in the middle but women just kept moving the goalpost of what the "middle" was and asking for an ever increasing amount of concession from men while never actually making any of their own. I think this only applies to a certain section of women that are involved in or actively shape cultural thought. These are the authors, the book clubs, the influencers. Most women can get along with men long enough to have one, but the cultural inertia remains on the side pus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:13 PM
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Pop feminism and identity politics have diluted this principle message. You can't say the majority of feminist thought isn't like this and blame these ideas on "Pop" feminism. I know what you're trying to say, and I agree that there's a big difference between the two. But you have to update how you think about feminism, cause the "Pop" Feminism is part of mass culture and the egalitarian feminism is suppressed just like every other left wing perspective. The problem is popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:03 PM
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I think devotion is beautiful, but it’s rare to see that sort of effort come from either gender now. I'm 26, so I'll just speak to what I've seen in my own life from my female friends and partners. I don't think "devotion" is a language they really understand. The idea of choosing someone unambiguously seems boring and desperate to them. They're looking for sparks and perfect fits, there's not much to like about a man that chooses them as a priority on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:58 AM
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In my view, the core issue is a widespread mindset of “rights without responsibilities.” A lot of people want the benefits of a traditional relationship without fulfilling the roles that made that dynamic work in the first place. For example, many women want men who pay, who listen, who are emotionally responsible... but they offer no support, no emotional investment, not even basic empathy.... It's late so I don't have it in me to read through and respond to everything, but I do think that this…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:59 AM
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No disagreements here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:05 PM
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You're not a truthteller, you're just bitter and judgmental, lashing out at strangers for no good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:28 PM
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Perhaps you should try it some time, I'd certainly prefer a fake nice person over whatever this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:05 PM
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The OP is the one that's twisting whatever which way. Demonizing people for being pleasant to be around is fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:00 PM
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How exactly do you think men are going to talk about dating? They're flying blind looking for one compatible, decent person in a haystack of people who don't fit that bill. We're not going to sound like idealists. Women have killed those ideals. And men speak in a language that reflects the reality of what they deal with. Women are given all the space to be as nasty and judgmental as they please. There's a necessary amount of emotional distance that men have to have in order to engage with peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 12:33 PM
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